John Prine’s Last Song: “I Remember Everything”

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The last recorded song by John Prine. Written by Prine and his longtime collaborator Pat McLaughlin. Available Now on iTunes: orcd.co

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“I Remember Everything” by John Prine

I’ve been down this road before
I remember every tree
Every single blade of grass
Holds a special place for me
And I remember every town
And every hotel room
And every song I ever sang
On a guitar out of tune

I remember everything
Things I can’t forget
The way you turned and smiled on me
On the night that we first met
And I remember every night
Your ocean eyes of blue
How I miss you in the morning light
Like roses miss the dew

I’ve been down this road before
Alone as I can be
Careful not to let my past
Go sneaking up on me
Got no future in my happiness
Though regrets are very few
Sometimes a little tenderness
Was the best that I could do

I remember everything
Things I can’t forget
Swimming pools of butterflies
That slipped right through the net
And I remember every night
Your ocean eyes of blue
How I miss you in the morning light
Like roses miss the dew

How I miss you in the morning light
Like roses miss the dew

#JohnPrine #IRememberEverything

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1
calochortus  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:42:23pm

Fuck Trump

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:43:04pm

Oh and good evening, Lizards.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:43:35pm

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:44:09pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:44:24pm

Check out this craigslist ad from Tulsa.

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:47:01pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

*This may be applied towards community service if necessary (in lieu of payment)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:47:21pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:47:51pm

Ahead of its time, and cancelled too early.

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mmmirele  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:51:58pm

Chance the Rapper is mixing it up with 1689 Calvinist Twitter and he is not taking shit from them.

More behind the link. Chance demonstrates he knows how to use a Bible and he is not taking any shit from these guys.

Oh yeah, this is one of those crossing the streams moments. I never expected rapper Twitter to meet up with 1689 Calvinista Twitter.

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teleskiguy  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:56:48pm

A big part of his reelection strategy, right here.

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Belafon  Jun 14, 2020 • 7:56:50pm

From the previous thread:

re: #163 Sherlock Hound

“Green Party” is trending on Twitter. One sample of the party’s reasoning:

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We rewatched Se7en recently.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:04:00pm

re: #11 Belafon

From the previous thread:

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We rewatched Se7en recently.

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:04:18pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:06:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:06:41pm

No matter how many times Green assholes come at me I will throw this in their faces!

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:07:05pm

re: #13 Ace-o-aces

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Who is Mark Dice and why do I care what he thinks?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:08:16pm

re: #16 calochortus

Who is Mark Dice and why do I care what he thinks?

Mark Dice (born December 21, 1977) is an American conspiracy theorist, activist, and right-wing, conservative pundit who has been active since at least 2008.

en.wikipedia.org

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Ace-o-aces  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:08:26pm

re: #16 calochortus

Who is Mark Dice and why do I care what he thinks?

Just another MAGA troll idiot.

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:10:27pm

re: #17 Joe Bacon 🌹

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

Which answers the second part of the question. I don’t care what he thinks.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:10:51pm

re: #18 Ace-o-aces

Just another MAGA troll idiot.

He’s just another world class asshole!

Conflating celebrities with the Illuminati and Satanism, Dice called musicians Jay-Z and Beyoncé “Illuminati puppets. I call them Satanic skanks”. Dice described celebrities’ connection to the Illuminati as the pursuit of power via message of materialism.[12]

Dice called Super Bowl halftime shows of the 2010s “elaborate Illuminati rituals hidden in plain sight”. The Super Bowl XLVI and XLVII halftime shows allegedly featured “secret Illuminati hand signs”, while musician Katy Perry—star of the Super Bowl XLIX halftime show—“promotes bisexuality and appears to be some kind of Satanic Witch”.[13]

Dice published a YouTube video denouncing the Super Bowl 50 halftime show as “gay Pride propaganda”. Dice noted the show featured the rainbow-colored message “believe in love” and a platform with four ramps which Dice described as a “crucifix blasphemously placed in the centre.”[14]

Yep, he’s just another ignorant Cracker Xtian!

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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:11:31pm

re: #6 Dave In Austin

*This may be applied towards community service if necessary (in lieu of payment)

That’s the sickest part of it.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:11:38pm
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calochortus  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:14:15pm

re: #21 William Lewis

That’s the sickest part of it.

I think we’d all rather pick up trash along the highway for a few hours than attend.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:20:45pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:28:07pm

re: #24 Dread Pirate

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I know that asshole John McEntee’s mother, Jane McEntee. She’s a virulent anti-Semite who tried to fire me from my government job because she hates Jews. I hit that liar with several EEO complaints that went nowhere…so she got promoted and managed to fuck up everything she comes into contact with.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:30:46pm

re: #25 Joe Bacon 🌹

More on that anti-Semite Jane McEntee…

Before she got hired to fuck up our office she drove the Bakers Square restaurant chain into bankruptcy…and of course being a fucking Republican she bailed out with a nice fat golden parachute…

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calochortus  Jun 14, 2020 • 8:37:51pm

I’m out for the evening.
Hasta mañana, Lizards

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jaunte  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:13:02pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:30:50pm

re: #21 William Lewis

That’s the sickest part of it.

Does anyone have a screen cap? By the time I got here the listing was down “for review”
Edit: so I have no idea what it’s about

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Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:36:34pm
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William Lewis  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:48:18pm

re: #29 Jebediah, RBG

Does anyone have a screen cap? By the time I got here the listing was down “for review”
Edit: so I have no idea what it’s about

Ah, didn’t think to do that. Advertising for minority people to hold signs at an “event” and that doing so would count towards “community service” requirements. That’s what I was spluttering about.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 14, 2020 • 9:49:50pm

re: #29 Jebediah, RBG

Does anyone have a screen cap? By the time I got here the listing was down “for review”
Edit: so I have no idea what it’s about

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:00:31pm

In case anyone needs to see it:

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BeachDem  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:02:59pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

In case anyone needs to see it:

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Don’t mean to sound skeptical, but this seems bogus to me—like somebody wants it to become an issue and then they can scream FAKE NEWS. (It’s just a bit too on the nose, particularly the community service part.)

JMO.

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:11:38pm

re: #31 William Lewis

Ah, didn’t think to do that. Advertising for minority people to hold signs at an “event” and that doing so would count towards “community service” requirements. That’s what I was spluttering about.

Thanks! And I’d have been spluttering too

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:13:07pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

In case anyone needs to see it:

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Thanks and ew gross

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Jebediah, RBG  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:13:30pm

re: #32 Dread Pirate

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Thanks!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:15:47pm

We’ve all been there, right?

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Dave In Austin  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:27:09pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2020 • 10:29:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:02:10pm
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BigPapa  Jun 14, 2020 • 11:18:49pm

re: #33 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah, I’m sorta on the fence. Could be true, could be fuckery. Could be both happening at the same time.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 12:21:19am

re: #22 I Would Prefer Not To

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I find it rather refreshing that we’re not hearing the same chorus of voices as we did in ‘16 about how we “need” to cater to these jackholes because “we need their votes.” I strongly suspect that’s because too many of those folks got burned last go around when enough of those entitled children voted third party or stayed home to throw the election. And now here we are, four years hence, and they’re still clinging to dreams of achieving the nomination with just 30% of the vote or thinking that a 5% showing in the polls on Election Day is a worthwhile goal because it means federal funding in the next election.

And this has nothing to do with the polls as they currently are, EC projections, or anything of the sort. It’s just common sense: These people have already made up their minds, have already started pushing themselves towards impossible goals, it’s time to cut them loose and work on getting the people whose brains aren’t denser than lead to the polls.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 12:54:03am

re: #10 teleskiguy

A big part of his reelection strategy, right here.

Many Democrats want to Defund and Abolish Police Departments. HOW CRAZY!

Another part of that is Tucker Carlson reminding us that this will leave White Neighborhoods at the mercy of armed Mau-Mau rape/revenge gangs.

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Dread Pirate  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:16:27am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:18:39am

Trump has tossed SK to the wolves.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:20:18am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump has tossed SK to the wolves.

Trump did what Dubya started: Totally destroying the world’s view of America as a trustworthy ally. The next decade is going to see our importance in world events decline as Europe and the Far East begin realigning themselves to deal with a post-US landscape.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:22:18am

re: #47 Targetpractice

The only nation that SK can turn to now to protect itself against the North is China…

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:23:27am

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The only nation that SK can turn to now to protect itself against the North is China…

Perhaps Japan, although there is a lot of lingering animosity there, so it may be easier to work with Beijing in the end.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:26:14am

re: #49 Targetpractice

Perhaps Japan, although there is a lot of lingering animosity there, so it may be easier to work with Beijing in the end.

Japan is not in much of a position to assist even if the political will were there.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:29:06am

re: #50 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Japan is not in much of a position to assist even if the political will were there.

That seems to be what Abe and the nationalists are working to overturn. They’re slowly edging towards just abandoning Article 9 altogether in light of Chinese aggression and an unreliable “protector.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:41:53am

re: #10 teleskiguy

A big part of his reelection strategy, right here.

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Teukka  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:46:59am

re: #45 Dread Pirate

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Damn. I wonder what in July will be able to top June?
I wish I was ///, I swear to Dog I was.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:48:11am

re: #51 Targetpractice

That seems to be what Abe and the nationalists are working to overturn. They’re slowly edging towards just abandoning Article 9 altogether in light of Chinese aggression and an unreliable “protector.”

Taiwan is next on the list.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 1:53:52am

re: #54 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Taiwan is next on the list.

Think Taiwan is probably highest on China’s shit list right now. They would be willing to work SK and tolerate Japan becoming a warrior nation again, but Taiwan makes any such noises and Beijing may decide to take their chances with “reunification.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:28:21am

re: #55 Targetpractice

Think Taiwan is probably highest on China’s shit list right now. They would be willing to work SK and tolerate Japan becoming a warrior nation again, but Taiwan makes any such noises and Beijing may decide to take their chances with “reunification.”

They want to see Taiwan “come around on its own” when it sees how isolated it is.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:30:10am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They want to see Taiwan “come around on its own” when it sees how isolated it is.

And I want to win the lottery, which seems about as likely in the near future.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:38:08am

re: #57 Targetpractice

And I want to win the lottery, which seems about as likely in the near future.

Hence the quotation marks, the idea is to maneuver Taiwan into a position in which it has no choice but to accede “voluntarily” to reunification.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:38:52am
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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:39:29am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hence the quotation marks, the idea is to maneuver Taiwan into a position in which it has no choice but to accede “voluntarily” to reunification.

Well, when your history stretches back centuries, I guess playing the long-game just comes naturally.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:40:19am

re: #60 Targetpractice

Well, when your history stretches back centuries, I guess playing the long-game just comes naturally.

they see that time is on their side. liberal capitalism is very short-sighted

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:41:03am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they see that time is on their side. liberal capitalism is very short-sighted

Aye, very true.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 2:45:05am

re: #62 Targetpractice

Aye, very true.

and forcing Taiwan back into the fold unwillingly and with military force would cause an awful lot of problems…The Chinese have to wear the Taiwanese down and get them to knuckle under.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2020 • 3:07:26am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they see that time is on their side. liberal capitalism is very short-sighted

Let’s not blame liberal capitalism for our current foreign policy. This is all on Trump and his Putin enablers in the Senate. None of this would be happening under prior presidents.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 15, 2020 • 3:28:16am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hence the quotation marks, the idea is to maneuver Taiwan into a position in which it has no choice but to accede “voluntarily” to reunification.

I’m sure Taiwan looks at what happened to Hong Kong and thinks “Sure, that would be in our best interests.”

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nines09  Jun 15, 2020 • 3:44:40am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2020 • 3:49:47am

re: #45 Dread Pirate

Noteworthy in that it’s Kim Jong-un’s sister making this threat. This will make people think that perhaps Kim Jong-un is dead or otherwise incapacitated, and that we will now see a new North Korean leader. If Kim Jong-un is out of the picture for whatever reasons, it sounds like she’s trying to establish herself as a strong leader in order to gain internal support from the North Korean military establishment. Threatening South Korea is usually a big part of that, at least if the history of North and South Korea relations is any guidepost.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 3:55:25am

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s not blame liberal capitalism for our current foreign policy. This is all on Trump and his Putin enablers in the Senate. None of this would be happening under prior presidents.

Hmm. The specific policies of this administration are the result of this specific administration seems to be a tautology.

Meanwhile, capitalism was what drove both Gulf Wars (though the first Gulf War was predicated on a mutual defence treaty with Kuwait), coupled with W calling the Second Gulf War “a crusade.”

Vietnam was part of the containment of communism strategy (in other words, making the world safe for capitalsim, because it sure wans’t about defending democracy in South Vietnam). Same goes for the Cold War (and when the Berlin Wall came down, conservatives were opposed to the idea of reunification in Germany because it would be expensive for West Germany to take in the relatively poor East Germany: That would cost capitalists money).

All through the Age of Empires, those empires were built to support capitalism. The USA’s role in that (though our empire was smaller) was to support those empires of the United Kingdom and France and fascist Portugal, so we could make more money with our capitalism.

You’d be hard pressed to find anything in our foreign policy going all the way back to the Revolutionary War that wasn’t about capitalism.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 3:58:41am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:03:53am

re: #69 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Ha!

My first marriage lasted longer than two Confederacies. My current marriage has lasted longer than two Confederacies.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:06:42am

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

No one was even talking to Ted and he’s all like “I think you two should wrestle”

With lots and lots of oil.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:10:18am

re: #53 Teukka

Damn. I wonder what in July will be able to top June?
I wish I was ///, I swear to Dog I was.

I’m going for the deep-sea giganto-crabs leaving their ocean domains and terrorizing the planet.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:13:12am

re: #22 I Would Prefer Not To

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don’t fight over crumbs
expand the pie

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:19:29am

re: #72 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I’m going for the deep-sea giganto-crabs leaving their ocean domains and terrorizing the planet.

Stay-puft Marshmallow Man. But it’ll be orange.
//

(Edit: And perhaps defeated by a giant ramp.)

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:19:37am
And if he’s [Donald Trump] going to be reelected, that’s where he will have to win it again [the Electoral College].

So Nebraska’s competitive 2nd Congressional District electoral vote has been targeted once more just as it was in 2008 when David Plouffe, Barack Obama’s campaign manager, zeroed in on it as his “favorite target.”

In his book, “The Audacity to Win,” Plouffe wrote that he daydreamed about that single Omaha district vote winning the election for Obama. When he mentioned that directly to his candidate, Obama suggested that the campaign not rely on that notion.

The Obama campaign aggressively pursued that Omaha electoral vote with a concentrated ground game and commitment of campaign resources 12 years ago and snared it by a margin of 3,325 votes.

Joe Biden, of course, was his running mate and it’s possible, just possible, that Biden may remember that.

[Ronna Romney] McDaniel tells us that Republicans certainly do.

A contested electoral vote, redistricting and sailboats (Don Walton, Lincoln, Nebr. Journal-Star, more at the link)

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:19:43am

re: #73 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

don’t fight over crumbs
expand the pie

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“I’m not going to vote for Biden or Trump because they’re old men! I’m gonna vote for the Green Party candidate because he’s an old man I approve of!”

Seriously, the Green Party’s frontrunner is Howie Hawkins, the party’s co-founder who is only 7 years younger that Trump (67 v. 74) and 10 years younger than Biden (67 v. 77). If you’re trying to play the “young, hip party” card, it helps if your likely nominee isn’t collecting Social Security.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:25:23am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:29:29am

re: #76 Targetpractice

“I’m not going to vote for Biden or Trump because they’re old men! I’m gonna vote for the Green Party candidate because he’s an old man I approve of!”

Seriously, the Green Party’s frontrunner is Howie Hawkins, the party’s co-founder who is only 7 years younger that Trump (67 v. 74) and 10 years younger than Biden (67 v. 77). If you’re trying to play the “young, hip party” card, it helps if your likely nominee isn’t collecting Social Security.

That’s what always amused me about Sanders too. The whole selling his movement as being youth based even though he’s gonna be 80 next year and has the same message now that he did 30 years ago.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:32:35am

Our very own Joe Bacon makes another appearance on Utah Outcasts, where they go after wingnut pastor Robert Jefferess of First Baptist Church of Dallas.

(9:31)

Robert Jeffress Wants Weak Christians OUT

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:51:20am

Thread, four tweets:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:52:25am

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s not blame liberal capitalism for our current foreign policy. This is all on Trump and his Putin enablers in the Senate. None of this would be happening under prior presidents.

Even under other administrations, our policy is rather short-sighted, but yeah, right now it is full-on myopic tunnel vision

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:52:28am

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2020 • 4:54:54am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:00:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:03:57am
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John Hughes  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:05:22am

re: #40 goddamnedfrank

But Ted Cruz, Ted Cruz never changes…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:08:03am

re: #22 I Would Prefer Not To

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:08:22am

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:12:59am

re: #88 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

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Sadly, we here in VA are beginning to see the results of that desire to return to “normal” overriding common sense. Both VA Beach and Norfolk, two of the first places to “reopen” and the ones in the biggest rush to ditch masks and go back to cramming people together, are already seeing that Memorial Day spike.

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A Cranky One  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:15:14am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:16:16am

The closest I would consider going back to “normal” might be to attend an open-air restaurant with proper seating. But you will not get me near a crowded beach, swimming pool, concert/sports venue, amusement park or cineplex, much less a cruise ship, airport or airliner.

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Dizzy  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:20:17am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:22:20am

Nebraska changed the so-called dashboard, this time the map.

The map used to be colour-coded by county, giving groupings of cases by county (deeper red meant more cases). Now the map is only blue and white: White means no cases in the last two weeks, blue means 1-1000 cases in the last two weeks. (The old map is still there but you have to dig it out).

Clicking on a county gives you the cases over the last fourteen days for that county. It is still possible to dig up whether a county is accellerating or declining in day-by-day cases, but the new display makes that much harder.

Thus, my county shows 0, though the number from Panhandle Public Health District is 11 total, 1 not recovered (for the last several weeks).

The numbers will be updated later today (they no longer update numbers on the weekends).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:23:46am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Nebraska changed the so-called dashboard, this time the map.

They still think they can “win” against COVID by tweaking stats and concealing numbers…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:25:59am

re: #74 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Stay-puft Marshmallow Man. But it’ll be orange.
//

(Edit: And perhaps defeated by a giant ramp.)

Upding for the ramp.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:27:22am

re: #87 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:28:09am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The closest I would consider going back to “normal” might be to attend an open-air restaurant with proper seating. But you will not get me near a crowded beach, swimming pool, concert/sports venue, amusement park or cineplex, much less a cruise ship, airport or airliner.

Alabama crossed a new line yesterday, with more than 1000 new cases. (No, it wasn’t improved testing.) That’s almost 4% of our year’s total. It follows a couple of our worst days, and it’s a weekend report. Wife, one friend, and I are keeping a very tight bubble.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:28:59am

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

little point wasting time and breath on bots. this Internet Presence is simply there to muddy the waters

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:29:58am

re: #30 Dread Pirate

Parscale said it explicitly. It’s about getting the emails and data for his future businesses. He knows damned well that he’s offered 40x as many tickets as there are seats available and the number exceeds the entire population of Tulsa by 2x. It’s all a scam and grift - and one of Parscale’s targets is Trump himself. Trump wants to see/hear big numbers, so the more people give their info to Parscale, the better it is for Parscale. Trump’s not going to see more than 19,100 (which is max capacity with zero social distancing in effect). But he’ll claim that there’s 800,000 waiting outside.

It’s all a sham and a scam. That’s Trumpworld 2020.

Meanwhile, we’re approaching 120,000 Americans dead from covid19 and states are reopening too fast and too soon.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:32:45am

So this happened after Greece suggested yoga during quarantine to keep in shape.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:38:21am

The Economist has launched an election model and gives Biden an 84% chance of winning the electoral college. projects.economist.com

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:40:39am

re: #41 goddamnedfrank

Cue the Cory Chase.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:41:48am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

No the first time yoga has been deemed anti-western religious. In the past it has been evangelicals that were getting their panties in a twist, I thought, though.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:46:14am

re: #103 Colère Tueur de Lapin

No the first time yoga has been deemed anti-western religious. In the past it has been evangelicals that were getting their panties in a twist, I thought, though.

A lot of Roman Catholics think the same thing, as do a number of non-Evangelical Protestant churches. Their arguments are all the same (the mantras are based on a pagan religion).

A few Baptist churches have gotten around this by replacing mantras with Christian prayers.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:57:04am

re: #103 Colère Tueur de Lapin

No the first time yoga has been deemed anti-western religious. In the past it has been evangelicals that were getting their panties in a twist, I thought, though.

Yoga is (was) offered by a volunteer instructor at the city recreation center. She makes a big point of introducing herself as a Methodist. (As though that were any better in Baja Alabama. Might as well be Irish, and we don’t want the Irish.)

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jeffreyw  Jun 15, 2020 • 5:58:20am

YouTube

Good morning!

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:01:28am

PROJECTIN’ LIKE AN IMAX IN OUTER SPACE… SPACESPAAAAACE!!!

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:04:01am

Guy sleeps in his car, is accosted by police, and is shot in the back twice after a scuffle where the guy gets a hold of the officer’s taser.

The first question to be asked: WHY THE FUCK WAS THE COP HASSLING A GUY SLEEPING IN HIS CAR?

Did I mention that the guy is black? And that the black guy was last running away from the cop and shot twice in the back.

The guy wasn’t doing anything wrong when the cop approached the vehicle. He’s allowed to sleep in a car. That’s not a violation or a criminal act. The cop’s first inclination? What’s a black guy doing sleeping in a car. Is it his? Lemme run the plates? Lemme see what’s going on here, wake up a guy and see what’s happening?

If he wasn’t doing anything wrong sleeping in the car in the first place, the entire incident was without pretext or provocation. There was no reason to initiate the interaction except as to hassle a black guy.

Every single police interaction with a black person has death of the black person as a distinct outcome. It’s non-zero. There’s something seriously wrong with policing where death of a person is considered a good outcome. Oh right, it’s because of the “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6” mantra that cops nationwide tell themselves that it’s okay to shoot first and often than to hold fire and de-escalate or avoid confrontations where possible.

Policing in the US has got to change. I’m glad that a majority of the nation is waking up to the realization that it’s not working to protect and serve the people. It’s protecting and serving the status quo and keeping persons of color in a disadvantaged position. That has to change.

We see time and again how black guys who do nothing wrong and are unarmed are murdered in cold blood, but heavily armed white guys can be taken into custody without so much as a shot fired. How is that? Why? Do cops think that persons of color are superhuman with feats of strength? That any black person can break handcuffs, need to be held on the ground with a knee to the neck for 8:46, even though that being on the ground on their stomach handcuffed behind their back is textbook subdued position and no need for the knee on the back. That’s excessive force.

Time and again, cops engage in excessive force even for seemingly routine actions. Protest control doesn’t require riot cops with body armor. It doesn’t require firing teargas, pepper balls, pepper spray, rubber bullets, beanbag bullets, and all the rest of the less than lethal gear that they have at their disposal. Peaceful protests became violent after the cops opened fire first. Cops escalating is why situations got out of hand. The cops are the ones violating the protesters’ right of assembly and free speech. And that’s from Trump on down.

So fuck Trump, fuck the GOP, and fuck the mendacious media that takes cops at their word on these incidents as gospel when we later learn that the cops and the union that represents cops lied their asses off about incidents. The media needs to do better in reporting on crime cases, especially involving cops. Watch how they use active/passive voice to explain away conduct unbecoming - how it favors the cop time and again, instead of being neutral towards the incident until facts are known.

We also see how cops and prosecutors pressure medical examiners to issue COD and explain away what seems like straightforward COD as witnessed on video.

Medical examiners constantly have to deal with prosecutors and cops, and when cops themselves are at fault for the death, you can bet that the prosecutors and police force are trying to tip the scale in favor of finding a COD that doesn’t indicate wrongdoing.

That’s why the initial findings on the Floyd case were so troubling. We all saw what happened with our own eyes, and when the examiner indicated that there may be drugs involved, that raised all kind of alarm bells. The final report found it was a homicide directly as a result of the knee to Mr. Floyd’s neck. It was asphyxiation. The rush to get an initial finding out helps color the outcome. We need more professionalism all across the criminal justice system - and better accountability.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:06:47am

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

The elementary school down the street tried yoga for the kids to help them calm and focus. It’s proven to work too. Cue the angry mob of christian mommies who had a shit fit about it being a plot to convert their kids to some scary Asian religion. And the school system caved. I called them and offered my support, and told them I was disappointed they had to cave. The lady I talked to said the staff was pissed and the kids were bummed out too because they liked it. The school staff actually got death threats over this mess.

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plansbandc  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:07:17am

re: #108 lawhawk

My R’s say he was drunk and deserved it.

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A Mom Anon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:14:59am

re: #110 plansbandc
He was in the drive thru and cars had to go around him. I’m seriously wondering if he was intoxicated or if he had health issues. Diabetes for example can look like drunkenness if sugar crashes too low. The preliminary autopsy says nothing about BAC or much beyond the cause of death being two shots to the back. Most of what I have heard here locally is that he was a good dad and spent lots of time with his kids. So far the usual suspects haven’t started in with his criminal record (therefore he deserved it), yet. This is not going to get better anytime soon.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:16:10am

re: #108 lawhawk

Wasn’t the car IN the drive through?

Edit: and all I’m implying is that they had a reason to talk to him. The shooting was unjustified.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:16:22am

So, according to the reopen tracker (added the link), only 7 states are faring better. They’re ones seeing fewer cases, managing to get 100% of the tests needed to get to 500k tests nationwide, and ICU has capacity.

A majority of states are seeing an increase in cases, failing to meet the 500k threshold (proportional to the state population), or have shortages in ICU bed space.

There are red flags all over the place, but the GOP is reopening no matter what. They don’t care how many die or are sickened. They think reopening favors them? It only favors the funeral homes that have capacity. There are local ICU shortages all around the country now. They don’t get the press that NYC did - because NYC saw nearly all the local hospitals max out capacity at the same time - and NYC has a population greater than a bunch of states combined. Same as with Bergen County NJ.

What’s worrying is that states that were doing better initially like California are slipping, and states that were doing badly all along in social distancing and masking and stay-at-home like Florida are doing even worse. Texas too.

It wont matter when the excess deaths are tallied. Florida can fuck with the numbers all they want but when there’s over 4,000 excess deaths this year to date, you can’t claim that it’s from pneumonia when no other place in the country has seen that - and your own health officials haven’t declared an emergency for pneumonia despite being 4x the normal annual figure for pneumonia. That’s because those 4,000 excess deaths are attributed to covid19.

The bodies just keep piling up, and the GOP thinks we’ll be back to normal.

Heck, there are places in blue states that want to get back to normal. Asbury Park wanted to reopen in-room dining at restaurants and even sued to try and get the governor’s order dismissed. The claim: it’s discriminatory against restaurants because retail locations like clothing stores can open, but restaurants can’t.

This is a bunch of malarkey of course. You don’t need to take a mask off or avoid social distancing while trying on clothes. You can maintain safe social distancing and put in place safe practices for buying tangible personal property.

You can’t say the same for dining inside in a restaurant. You need to remove a mask to eat. That greatly increases the risks to fellow customers and workers. It makes the further spread of covid19 more likely.

The judge blocked the Asbury Park effort. Rightfully so.

But we’ll see more of those kinds of efforts, all while the cases climb all over the map even as states haven’t implemented contact tracers and gotten testing to where it needs to be to limit localized outbreaks in states that have seen containment so far.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:18:02am

Remember that released page of Trump’s taxes that we wondered if it was real?

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plansbandc  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:19:15am

re: #111 A Mom Anon

According to R’s any potential offense while being black is punishable by being shot to death, or choked to death, or beaten to death, or…

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:19:35am

I like this diary’s suggestion that a cop covering their name and badge number should be a felony.

m.dailykos.com

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:20:49am

re: #116 Belafon

I like this diary’s suggestion that a cop covering their name and badge number should be a felony.

They work for us, we should know who they are.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:21:38am

re: #110 plansbandc

My R’s say he was drunk and deserved it.

Cops need to quit harassing people who aren’t endangering other people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:22:07am

I nonetheless suspect that if it had been a white guy asleep in his car in a drive-through, the police would have handled it differently…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:22:48am

re: #118 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Cops need to quit harassing people who aren’t endangering other people.

hey, blocking a drive-through is endangering my caloric binge-eating!!!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:23:48am

This is good news.
The GOP will have to work overtime suppressing the vote to win Georgia for Trump.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:25:39am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

hey, blocking a drive-through is endangering my caloric binge-eating!!!

Good example of a situation better handled by an EMT than a cop.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:25:48am

re: #110 plansbandc

My R’s say he was drunk and deserved it.

Drunk does not carry the death penalty. I presume your relatives are all teetotalers who would never be caught outside drunk?

And who even called the cops? Someone in the Wendy’s? What was wrong with knocking on the window and saying “move along?”

The police also claim a Taser is non-lethal. If that’s the case, why did they shoot him at all, much less in the back?

Additionally, they had his car and wallet. They could have gone any time to collect him.

Plus, they were firing across a parking lot (presumably with a street for a backstop for their bullets—they could have hit a random pedestrian or a random driver on the street).

They didn’t care about any of that, which seems to me the shooter is either too high-strung to be a cop, or he wanted to hunt a human.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:27:42am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:28:45am

A Green vote in a swing state is a vote for Trump.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:29:01am

re: #108 lawhawk

Do you get paid to write this?

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:29:26am

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

I can understand calling the police. It’s the reaction of the police, in failing to properly assess the situation that is definitely the problem.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:29:29am

re: #126 Shropshire Slasher

Why?

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:31:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:31:43am
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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:32:25am
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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:32:59am

re: #126 Shropshire Slasher

Do you get paid to write this?

He get’s a Soros-penny per word, which is worth about as much as karma here.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:35:37am

re: #132 Belafon

He get’s a Soros-penny per word, which is worth about as much as karma here.

You mean all that karma I’ve accumulated isn’t worth anything?

Excuse me, I must go commit sudoku…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:40:10am

re: #133 Targetpractice

You mean all that karma I’ve accumulated isn’t worth anything?

Excuse me, I must go commit sudoku…

//

Sudoku? LOL

I value my karma here. I’m sure I’ll be able to trade it at the LGF store for a valuable gift.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:43:29am

re: #134 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Sudoku? LOL

I value my karma here. I’m sure I’ll be able to trade it at the LGF store for a valuable gift.

Just working off a bad rap—community service.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:44:23am

re: #129 Belafon

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“Wear a mask!” has become the new “Get a flu shot!,” that medical advice you say makes sense but you still avoid because you don’t want to be inconvenienced. Hence why the whole “It’s just like the flu” BS is making a comeback, because the slowdown in the last couple months has fooled them into thinking it’s just like when flu cases recede in the summer because everybody’s on vacation or out in the sunshine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:45:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:48:34am
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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:52:52am

Dammit Maine, don’t screw this up.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:54:02am

Good point I just saw noted on the news: Considering how hard Trump has pushed quackery in the hopes of a “miracle cure” during his outbreak, there’s a good chance that even if a vaccine does become available before November, that many people will avoid it if he’s promoting it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 15, 2020 • 6:54:25am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:01:06am

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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We will, we will mask you…

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:01:14am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:03:17am

re: #87 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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The answer to trump is to vote for the option that exists

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:03:29am

re: #144 Targetpractice

Good point I just saw noted on the news: Considering how hard Trump has pushed quackery in the hopes of a “miracle cure” during his outbreak, there’s a good chance that even if a vaccine does become available before November, that many people will avoid it if he’s promoting it.

There is zero chance a vaccine will be ready for mass distribution by November.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:03:55am

re: #147 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

going forward will only be referring to “defunding the police” by saying “tax breaks”

You get places like Maricopa County, AZ that wanted Law and Order writ large but Low Taxes writ even larger. That gave us a monstrosity like Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who wound up costing the county hundreds of millions in lawsuits for illegal practices (for which Trump has fully pardoned him).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:04:09am

Past bedtime.

Life in the fast lane.
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:05:37am

re: #144 Targetpractice

Good point I just saw noted on the news: Considering how hard Trump has pushed quackery in the hopes of a “miracle cure” during his outbreak, there’s a good chance that even if a vaccine does become available before November, that many people will avoid it if he’s promoting it.

when the vaccine comes out, it will be rejected by such a large share of the population as to seriously endanger those who cannot be inoculated.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:08:02am

Massive good news from SCOTUS! Gays and lesbians can sue for workplace bias!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:08:34am

Transgender ruling coming in minutes.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:09:45am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

when the vaccine comes out, it will be rejected by such a large share of the population as to seriously endanger those who cannot be inoculated.

They’ll take a lot of us with them, but stupidity usually exerts an evolutionary pressure.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:10:12am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The closest I would consider going back to “normal” might be to attend an open-air restaurant with proper seating. But you will not get me near a crowded beach, swimming pool, concert/sports venue, amusement park or cineplex, much less a cruise ship, airport or airliner.

The closest I will consider is watching everyone else through my windows.
The concepts of “returning” and “normal” are imo the problem - wrong headed thinking, wrong headed goals.
Let em try
Im staying home

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:16:19am

re: #94 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They still think they can “win” against COVID by tweaking stats and concealing numbers…

Hospital visits don’t lie
For the foreseeable future they are more reliable than testing counts and test “results”
Re the fired Florida scientist who built her own database:

Official Florida website says 1.3 million people have been tested.
Jones’ site says it is only 896,000.

Yes, samples have been taken from 1.3 million people but not all have been tested.

substituting samples for actual tests makes the state look like it’s doing better than it really is

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:16:38am

I am not one to bet on other people’s misfortune, otherwise I would be offering eight to five on this outcome

Investigative journalist Greg Palast: Here’s how Trump will steal the 2020 election
Palast’s new book, “How Trump Stole 2020”, outlines a nightmare: Trump loses the electoral vote and wins anyway

This election is shaping up to be the biggest electoral clusterfuck since 1860…

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:16:54am

re: #156 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

The closest I will consider is watching everyone else through my windows.
The concepts of “returning” and “normal” are imo the problem - wrong headed thinking, wrong headed goals.
Let em try
Im staying home

In an administration run by adults, even if it had not succeeded in nipping the initial outbreak in the bud, it could have slowed it by pushing for earlier shutdowns and assisting states that went that route, working to get businesses the help they needed to ride out the spring and summer if necessary, and promote practices like mask-wearing and social distancing instead of talking down both for “freedom.”

Instead, we have a toddler in charge whose sole concern is a strong economy to run on, leading his sycophants to push for “reopening” before the fall in the mistaken belief that such will lead to an economic “boom” by November.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:17:57am

Turns out the decision also protects the transgendered. A 6-3 decision, written by Gorsuch!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:18:08am

re: #159 Targetpractice

Instead, we have a toddler in charge whose sole concern is a strong economy to run on, leading his sycophants to push for “reopening” before the fall in the mistaken belief that such will lead to an economic “boom” by November.

or at least some sets of statistics than can be presented as a “boom”

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:20:28am

re: #160 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Turns out the decision also protects the transgendered. A 6-3 decision, written by Gorsuch!

Yep.
SCOTUSblog sez the decision was 172 pages: 30 for the Court’s decision itself, the rest was the dissent (mainly by Alito, they say, no surprise
ADD: Also Kavanaugh (shocker), though he larded his dissent (basically a separation-of-powers thing) with a bunch of gay-friendly cheerleading. Asshole.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:22:20am

re: #162 Jay C

Yep.
SCOTUSblog sez the decision was 172 pages: 30 for the Court’s decision itself, the rest was the dissent (mainly by Alito, they say, no surprise)

Alito is the worse (3 way tie with Thomas and Kavanaugh).

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:23:53am

re: #163 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Alito is the worse (3 way tie with Thomas and Kavanaugh).

Yep Kavanaugh is worse than Gorsuch both as a justice and person.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:25:20am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:27:38am
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Jay C  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:28:15am

re: #164 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yep Kavanaugh is worse than Gorsuch both as a justice and person.

Yeah: here’s a piece from SCOTUSblog’s live feed - sounds like ol’ Bret is trying to have it both ways here:

kavanaugh ends with:
“Notwithstanding my concern about the Court’s transgression of the Constitution’s separation of powers, it is appropriate to acknowledge the important victory achieved today by gay and lesbian Americans. Millions of gay and
lesbian Americans have worked hard for many decades to
achieve equal treatment in fact and in law. They have exhibited extraordinary vision, tenacity, and grit—battling often steep odds in the legislative and judicial arenas, not to
mention in their daily lives. They have advanced powerful
policy arguments and can take pride in today’s result. Under the Constitution’s separation of powers, however, I believe that it was Congress’s role, not this Court’s, to amend
Title VII. I therefore must respectfully dissent from the Court’s judgement”

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:29:59am

re: #167 Jay C

Yeah: here’s a piece from SCOTUSblog’s live feed - sounds like ol’ Bret is trying to have it both ways here:

Definitely. He knows damn well that McConnell has blocked any voting on matters like this.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:30:07am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:32:44am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not one to bet on other people’s misfortune, otherwise I would be offering eight to five on this outcome

Investigative journalist Greg Palast: Here’s how Trump will steal the 2020 election
Palast’s new book, “How Trump Stole 2020”, outlines a nightmare: Trump loses the electoral vote and wins anyway

This election is shaping up to be the biggest electoral clusterfuck since 1860…

An attempt to pervert the 12 amendment won’t work for them

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:33:39am

re: #170 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

An attempt to pervert the 12 amendment won’t work for them

Basically, under the scenario proposed, the level of dickery with votes would have to be so blatant that there is simply no way that Trump would ever be able to claim to have “won.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:34:38am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not one to bet on other people’s misfortune, otherwise I would be offering eight to five on this outcome

Investigative journalist Greg Palast: Here’s how Trump will steal the 2020 election
Palast’s new book, “How Trump Stole 2020”, outlines a nightmare: Trump loses the electoral vote and wins anyway

This election is shaping up to be the biggest electoral clusterfuck since 1860…

Despair is a propaganda technique. Don’t fall for it. Republicans are going to cheat like hell but they can be overcome.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:36:01am

re: #172 The Pie Overlord!

Despair is a propaganda technique. Don’t fall for it. Republicans are going to cheat like hell but they can be overcome.

It can be and will be overcome. We’re ready for this.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:36:48am

re: #171 Targetpractice

Basically, under the scenario proposed, the level of dickery with votes would have to be so blatant that there is simply no way that Trump would ever be able to claim to have “won.”

Unless it was post hoc database manipulatuon, actual votes fuckery would have to be proved at the precinct level

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:37:16am

re: #172 The Pie Overlord!

Despair is a propaganda technique. Don’t fall for it. Republicans are going to cheat like hell but they can be overcome.

Gospel. Mishnah.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:37:37am

re: #172 The Pie Overlord!

Despair is a propaganda technique. Don’t fall for it. Republicans are going to cheat like hell but they can be overcome.

Yes, this.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:38:18am

OMG SO MUCH STUPIDS IN THIS

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:39:19am

re: #168 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Definitely. He knows damn well that McConnell has blocked any voting on matters like this.

True: hence my rising gorge as reading all that “extraordinary vision” and “pride” stuff: Kavanaugh knows that Congress (well, the Senate anyway) won’t do crap about encoding LGBT rights in the law as long as Republicans are in charge. For this session anyway: and if they do, well, Bret can just shrug and say: “see, I told you”.

Though Bostock does, at least on its face, seem to be an important decision: though it still doesn’t deal (AFAICT) with the issue of anti-gay discrimination under the cover of “religion”: probably the next step.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:40:21am

Lre: #177 The Pie Overlord!

OMG SO MUCH STUPIDS IN THIS

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Yeah so you sold 250% of the shares to Springtime for Twitler.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:40:38am

re: #178 Jay C

True: hence my rising gorge as reading all that “extraordinary vision” and “pride” stuff: Kavanaugh knows that Congress (well, the Senate anyway) won’t do crap about encoding LGBT rights in the law as long as Republicans are in charge. For this session anyway: and if they do, well, Bret can just shrug and say: “see, I told you”.

Though Bostock does, at least on its face, seem to be an important decision: though it still doesn’t deal (AFAICT) with the issue of anti-gay discrimination under the cover of “religion”: probably the next step.

I like to think of McConnell and the current senate as a temporary inconvenience.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:40:44am

re: #177 The Pie Overlord!

OMG SO MUCH STUPIDS IN THIS

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One million people bought lottery tickets, they’re all winners!

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:41:32am

re: #176 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Yes, this.

I’m tired of despairing. 2016 happened. It shell shocked us. Let’s make 2020 the beginning of something new.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:43:00am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

or at least some sets of statistics than can be presented as a “boom”

I think it may be the reverse. A second wave of quarantine, leading to more jitters in the Dow (as shown today), and a new low in the economy.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:43:00am

re: #172 The Pie Overlord!

Despair is a propaganda technique. Don’t fall for it. Republicans are going to cheat like hell but they can be overcome.

Indeed, if it were so easy for Republicans to cheat their way to victory, then 2018 would have been a blow-out for Democrats. Not the other way around.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:43:24am

How many people are going to show up in Tulsa? How many people are going to turn Tulsa into an outbreak center because Trump needs his rallies to make himself feel worshipped as he slips in the polls?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:44:36am

re: #184 Targetpractice

Indeed, if it were so easy for Republicans to cheat their way to victory, then 2018 would have been a blow-out for Democrats. Not the other way around.

That’s exactly why I’m exhausted by despair narratives. No offense to y’all who are pessimistic but we have already begun the work of defeating him. We need to finish it this summer and fall but we can and will do it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:45:39am

Don’t ever doubt how brainwashed and delusional Republicans can be:

(Via POLITICO) By most conventional indicators, Donald Trump is in danger of becoming a one-term president. The economy is a wreck, the coronavirus persists, and his poll numbers have deteriorated.

But throughout the Republican Party’s vast organization in the states, the operational approach to Trump’s re-election campaign is hardening around a fundamentally different view.

Interviews with more than 50 state, district and county Republican Party chairs depict a version of the electoral landscape that is no worse for Trump than six months ago — and possibly even slightly better. According to this view, the coronavirus is on its way out and the economy is coming back. Polls are unreliable, Joe Biden is too frail to last, and the media still doesn’t get it.

“The more bad things happen in the country, it just solidifies support for Trump,” said Phillip Stephens, GOP chairman in Robeson County, N.C., one of several rural counties in that swing state that shifted from supporting Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. “We’re calling him ‘Teflon Trump.’ Nothing’s going to stick, because if anything, it’s getting more exciting than it was in 2016.”

This year, Stephens said, “We’re thinking landslide.”

Five months before the election, many state and county Republican Party chairs predict a close election. Yet from the Eastern seaboard to the West Coast and the battlegrounds in between, there is an overriding belief that, just as Trump defied political gravity four years ago, there’s no reason he won’t do it again.

Andrew Hitt, the state party chairman in Wisconsin, said that during the height of public attention on the coronavirus, in late March and early April, internal polling suggested “some sagging off where we wanted to be.”

But now, he said, “Things are coming right back where we want them … That focus on the economy and on re-opening and bringing America back is resonating with people.”


In Ohio, Jane Timken, the state party chair, said she sees no evidence of support for Trump slipping. Jennifer Carnahan, the chairwoman of the Minnesota Republican Party, said the same. And Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, went so far as to predict that Trump would not only carry his state, but beat Biden by more than 100,000 votes — more than twice the margin he mustered in 2016.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:46:28am

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How many people are going to show up in Tulsa? How many people are going to turn Tulsa into an outbreak center because Trump needs his rallies to make himself feel worshipped as he slips in the polls?

Can’t tell you the number, but I’ll be close on the average number of teeth and cranial capacity in cc’s. It’s a Fermi Problem.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:46:48am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Can that many egos fit in the bunker together?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:46:48am

re: #177 The Pie Overlord!

OMG SO MUCH STUPIDS IN THIS

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AND 980,000 OF THEM ARE TROLLS USING TRASH EMAIL ACCOUNTS. LIKE I DID.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:46:50am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t ever doubt how brainwashed and delusional Republicans can be:

(Via POLITICO) By most conventional indicators, Donald Trump is in danger of becoming a one-term president. The economy is a wreck, the coronavirus persists, and his poll numbers have deteriorated.

But throughout the Republican Party’s vast organization in the states, the operational approach to Trump’s re-election campaign is hardening around a fundamentally different view.

Interviews with more than 50 state, district and county Republican Party chairs depict a version of the electoral landscape that is no worse for Trump than six months ago — and possibly even slightly better. According to this view, the coronavirus is on its way out and the economy is coming back. Polls are unreliable, Joe Biden is too frail to last, and the media still doesn’t get it.

“The more bad things happen in the country, it just solidifies support for Trump,” said Phillip Stephens, GOP chairman in Robeson County, N.C., one of several rural counties in that swing state that shifted from supporting Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. “We’re calling him ‘Teflon Trump.’ Nothing’s going to stick, because if anything, it’s getting more exciting than it was in 2016.”

This year, Stephens said, “We’re thinking landslide.”

Five months before the election, many state and county Republican Party chairs predict a close election. Yet from the Eastern seaboard to the West Coast and the battlegrounds in between, there is an overriding belief that, just as Trump defied political gravity four years ago, there’s no reason he won’t do it again.

Andrew Hitt, the state party chairman in Wisconsin, said that during the height of public attention on the coronavirus, in late March and early April, internal polling suggested “some sagging off where we wanted to be.”

But now, he said, “Things are coming right back where we want them … That focus on the economy and on re-opening and bringing America back is resonating with people.”


In Ohio, Jane Timken, the state party chair, said she sees no evidence of support for Trump slipping. Jennifer Carnahan, the chairwoman of the Minnesota Republican Party, said the same. And Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, went so far as to predict that Trump would not only carry his state, but beat Biden by more than 100,000 votes — more than twice the margin he mustered in 2016.

Gotta project confidence let the donor money not come in.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:47:12am

re: #189 Belafon

Can that many egos fit in the bunker together?

Ask FEGELIN!

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:48:06am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t ever doubt how brainwashed and delusional Republicans can be:

(Via POLITICO) By most conventional indicators, Donald Trump is in danger of becoming a one-term president. The economy is a wreck, the coronavirus persists, and his poll numbers have deteriorated.

But throughout the Republican Party’s vast organization in the states, the operational approach to Trump’s re-election campaign is hardening around a fundamentally different view.

Interviews with more than 50 state, district and county Republican Party chairs depict a version of the electoral landscape that is no worse for Trump than six months ago — and possibly even slightly better. According to this view, the coronavirus is on its way out and the economy is coming back. Polls are unreliable, Joe Biden is too frail to last, and the media still doesn’t get it.

“The more bad things happen in the country, it just solidifies support for Trump,” said Phillip Stephens, GOP chairman in Robeson County, N.C., one of several rural counties in that swing state that shifted from supporting Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. “We’re calling him ‘Teflon Trump.’ Nothing’s going to stick, because if anything, it’s getting more exciting than it was in 2016.”

This year, Stephens said, “We’re thinking landslide.”

Five months before the election, many state and county Republican Party chairs predict a close election. Yet from the Eastern seaboard to the West Coast and the battlegrounds in between, there is an overriding belief that, just as Trump defied political gravity four years ago, there’s no reason he won’t do it again.

Andrew Hitt, the state party chairman in Wisconsin, said that during the height of public attention on the coronavirus, in late March and early April, internal polling suggested “some sagging off where we wanted to be.”

But now, he said, “Things are coming right back where we want them … That focus on the economy and on re-opening and bringing America back is resonating with people.”


In Ohio, Jane Timken, the state party chair, said she sees no evidence of support for Trump slipping. Jennifer Carnahan, the chairwoman of the Minnesota Republican Party, said the same. And Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, went so far as to predict that Trump would not only carry his state, but beat Biden by more than 100,000 votes — more than twice the margin he mustered in 2016.

Yeah, and that “Red Tsunami” that was gonna sweep the Repubs into a House supermajority really came through in 2018, didn’t it?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:51:16am

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

How many people are going to show up in Tulsa? How many people are going to turn Tulsa into an outbreak center because Trump needs his rallies to make himself feel worshipped as he slips in the polls?

I don’t care do u?

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:52:04am

re: #194 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I don’t care do u?

I care about their neighbors who might be impacted because they chose to attend a Trump Nuremberg rally.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:52:58am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t ever doubt how brainwashed and delusional Republicans can be:

(Via POLITICO) By most conventional indicators, Donald Trump is in danger of becoming a one-term president. The economy is a wreck, the coronavirus persists, and his poll numbers have deteriorated.

But throughout the Republican Party’s vast organization in the states, the operational approach to Trump’s re-election campaign is hardening around a fundamentally different view.

Interviews with more than 50 state, district and county Republican Party chairs depict a version of the electoral landscape that is no worse for Trump than six months ago — and possibly even slightly better. According to this view, the coronavirus is on its way out and the economy is coming back. Polls are unreliable, Joe Biden is too frail to last, and the media still doesn’t get it.

“The more bad things happen in the country, it just solidifies support for Trump,” said Phillip Stephens, GOP chairman in Robeson County, N.C., one of several rural counties in that swing state that shifted from supporting Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. “We’re calling him ‘Teflon Trump.’ Nothing’s going to stick, because if anything, it’s getting more exciting than it was in 2016.”

This year, Stephens said, “We’re thinking landslide.”

Five months before the election, many state and county Republican Party chairs predict a close election. Yet from the Eastern seaboard to the West Coast and the battlegrounds in between, there is an overriding belief that, just as Trump defied political gravity four years ago, there’s no reason he won’t do it again.

Andrew Hitt, the state party chairman in Wisconsin, said that during the height of public attention on the coronavirus, in late March and early April, internal polling suggested “some sagging off where we wanted to be.”

But now, he said, “Things are coming right back where we want them … That focus on the economy and on re-opening and bringing America back is resonating with people.”


In Ohio, Jane Timken, the state party chair, said she sees no evidence of support for Trump slipping. Jennifer Carnahan, the chairwoman of the Minnesota Republican Party, said the same. And Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, went so far as to predict that Trump would not only carry his state, but beat Biden by more than 100,000 votes — more than twice the margin he mustered in 2016.

Theyve pained themselves into a sycophantic, agree and support at all costs corner

Reality is not an option here

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:53:59am

re: #195 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I care about their neighbors who might be impacted because they chose to attend a Trump Nuremberg rally.

Of course
I was trying to, you know

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:54:15am

re: #197 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Of course
I was trying to, you know

I know.

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ericblair  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:54:19am

re: #141 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

Viral video leads to rapid firing of investment banker who confronted man writing ‘Black Lives Matter’ on his own property

I think the two underappreciated forces that helps the protests:

- Most businesses bigger than a mom-and-pop shop are very sensitive to public opinion, know what it is, and don’t like looking like racists. Also, weak job protections mean that racist asses can get fired in an afternoon.

- Insurance companies don’t like insuring idiots who destroy property and hurt people on video. Most of these idiots require insurance to operate, so this may be a problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:54:49am

re: #194 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

I don’t care do u?

I know what you were doing there but actually, I do care. Because those fuckers could potentially get me and/or someone I care about sick because of their recklessness.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 7:57:20am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

“…According to this view, the coronavirus is on its way out and the economy is coming back. Polls are unreliable, Joe Biden is too frail to last, and the media still doesn’t get it.”

When GOP delusion becomes a public health hazard.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:00:51am

re: #185 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

They need those extra people to pick fights with protesters

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:02:45am

re: #202 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

They need those extra people to pick fights with protesters

Trump’s Black Hundreds.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:03:54am
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BigPapa  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:04:38am

I’m calling Covid Shame as a band name right now.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:07:00am

Republicans seem to be gambling big that the public will all go on vacation during the summer, then come back to work in the fall as if things have gone back to “normal.” And that, by August, the media will have “moved on” to another topic, allowing them to insist that the outbreak is “over.”

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:07:51am

re: #203 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Trump’s Black Hundreds.

This is America so we should call them The White Hundreds.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:08:34am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Republicans seem to be gambling big that the public will all go on vacation during the summer, then come back to work in the fall as if things have gone back to “normal.” And that, by August, the media will have “moved on” to another topic, allowing them to insist that the outbreak is “over.”

Over 100,000 people have died and those recovering aren’t ever gonna be the same. This isn’t an ordinary mishap. This is Trump’s legacy. It’s how he will be remembered.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:09:07am

re: #207 The Pie Overlord!

This is America so we should call them The White Hundreds.

True. But I can tell you got my Russian history reference.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:09:45am

re: #106 jeffreyw

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Video

Good morning!

Western good morning!

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:12:58am

re: #208 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Over 100,000 people have died and those recovering aren’t ever gonna be the same. This isn’t an ordinary mishap. This is Trump’s legacy. It’s how he will be remembered.

“When one man dies it’s a tragedy. When thousands die it’s statistics.”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:17:16am

re: #208 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Over 100,000 people have died and those recovering aren’t ever gonna be the same. This isn’t an ordinary mishap. This is Trump’s legacy. It’s how he will be remembered.

No, no they are not. This is what the SARS-COV-2 virus can do to your lungs.

Lung Transplant on COVID-19 Patient Is a First for the US

Ima gonna put the picture of her lung behind.

One of the patient’s lungs, scarred and damaged from COVID-19, after being removed during the transplant surgery.
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:17:41am

re: #211 Targetpractice

Even though that quote is attributed to Josef Stalin, there are earlier examples: quoteinvestigator.com

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BigPapa  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:18:24am

re: #211 Targetpractice

“When one man dies it’s a tragedy. When thousands die it’s statistics.”

COVID-19 could be our generation’s polio. The statistics will take years to weed through all the buggah’d data.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:18:25am

re: #212 Colère Tueur de Lapin

No, no they are not. This is what the SARS-COV-2 virus can do to your lungs.

Lung Transplant on COVID-19 Patient Is a First for the US

Ima gonna put the picture of her lung behind.

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It’s heartbreaking.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:19:01am

re: #108 lawhawk

I believe the car he was sleeping in was blocking the other cars in the drive-through, but that’s not a capital offense either.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:23:22am

When even Faux calls you on your bullshit, it’s time to rethink your life:

If you wanted to know how the WH views 110,000 deaths, wonder no more:

He went on to compare the coronavirus pandemic to a hurricane or “bad snow storm.”

“Hardship, heartbreak, yes,” Kudlow remarked. “But when it passes, people return back to their work.”

The deadliest hurricane in US history was the Galveston Hurricane of ‘00 at 6-12,000. And we passed the death toll of that event months ago.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:24:34am
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nines09  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:25:27am

re: #217 Targetpractice

Larry has blow, new dealer, money. He’s fine.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:26:08am

re: #217 Targetpractice

When even Faux calls you on your bullshit, it’s time to rethink your life:

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If you wanted to know how the WH views 110,000 deaths, wonder no more:

The deadliest hurricane in US history was the Galveston Hurricane of ‘00 at 6-12,000. And we passed the death toll of that event months ago.

I’m assuming that the Galveston hurricane was 1900, not 2000.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:26:38am

re: #220 The Pie Overlord!

I’m assuming that the Galveston hurricane was 1900, not 2000.

Yeah, this whole new century business is a pain.

//

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:26:51am

re: #220 The Pie Overlord!

I’m assuming that the Galveston hurricane was 1900, not 2000.

You assume correctly.

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The Pie Overlord!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:28:07am

re: #221 Targetpractice

Yeah, this whole new century business is a pain.

//

It was for those of us who worked on Y2K prep.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:29:44am

Here’s another worry with Covid-19.

Okay, so it’s a lot less transmissible outdoors than in doors. Awesome! It’s summertime, temps are warm in most of the country, people have plenty of opportunity to get outdoors and enjoy themselves and be relatively safe, assuming they are social distancing and not shoulder to shoulder in large crowds.

But what happens in winter when the temps drop and people start spending waaaay more time indoors? We already have data that says this thing spreads much more easily in indoor spaces.

Bottom line: This thing isn’t even CLOSE to being over.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:30:14am

re: #223 The Pie Overlord!

It was for those of us who worked on Y2K prep.

Not all heroes wear capes.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:30:43am

re: #217 Targetpractice

The deadliest hurricane in US history was the Galveston Hurricane of ‘00 at 6-12,000. And we passed the death toll of that event months ago.

Assuming that the death tolls are accurate and not an undercount (they are), we passed the lower end of the Galveston Hurricane’s death toll on April 1, we passed the high end before the end of that week.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:31:24am

re: #226 Sufficient unto the day…

Assuming that the death tolls are accurate and not an undercount (they are), we passed the lower end of the Galveston Hurricane’s death toll on April 1, we passed the high end before the end of that week.

Yep. We just passed WWI deaths last week. WWII and Civil War are the only two left to fall.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:33:06am

re: #136 Targetpractice

“Wear a mask!” has become the new “Get a flu shot!,” that medical advice you say makes sense but you still avoid because you don’t want to be inconvenienced. Hence why the whole “It’s just like the flu” BS is making a comeback, because the slowdown in the last couple months has fooled them into thinking it’s just like when flu cases recede in the summer because everybody’s on vacation or out in the sunshine.

Do I live in the only sane place in the country? I was out enjoying the bright sunny (and not hot!) weekend yesterday, and not everyone was wearing a mask — but when they walked inside, or came to a place where six feet of distance could not be maintained, they put them on. This isn’t hard.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:33:37am

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

I know what you were doing there but actually, I do care. Because those fuckers could potentially get me and/or someone I care about sick because of their recklessness.

yeah i know
it would be easy to say - let them hurt themselves cause it’s only themselves

unfortunately it’s not contained to just them. they’ll spread it to the rest of us.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:33:43am

re: #227 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. We just passed WWI deaths last week. WWII and Civil War are the only two left to fall.

I remember when we had the first one. That wasn’t even six months ago.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:34:14am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Republicans seem to be gambling big that the public will all go on vacation during the summer, then come back to work in the fall as if things have gone back to “normal.” And that, by August, the media will have “moved on” to another topic, allowing them to insist that the outbreak is “over.”

People on Nextdoor around here are having conversations about why people need to continue to wear masks. I know multiple parents are worrid about how school will start up. It’s already affecting summer band practice.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:34:22am

re: #228 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Do I live in the only sane place in the country? I was out enjoying the bright sunny (and not hot!) weekend yesterday, and not everyone was wearing a mask — but when they walked inside, or came to a place where six feet of distance could not be maintained, they put them on. This isn’t hard.

Probably. I live in a beach town and work at what might as well be a party hotel in the summer. And I could probably count on one hand the number of people who aren’t co-workers who I’ve seen wearing a mask without being prompted.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:36:22am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Republicans seem to be gambling big that the public will all go on vacation during the summer, then come back to work in the fall as if things have gone back to “normal.” And that, by August, the media will have “moved on” to another topic, allowing them to insist that the outbreak is “over.”

the virus says “i don’t care what the media does. i have no ego to feed and i’m not leaving”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:37:29am
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BigPapa  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:37:30am
Oh, how time flies
With crystal clear eyes
And cold as coal
When you’re ending with diamond eyes

Oh, come child
In a cross bones style
Oh, come child
Come and rescue me
Cause you have seen some unbelievable things

Cat Power - “Cross Bones Style”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:37:38am

re: #228 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Do I live in the only sane place in the country? I was out enjoying the bright sunny (and not hot!) weekend yesterday, and not everyone was wearing a mask — but when they walked inside, or came to a place where six feet of distance could not be maintained, they put them on. This isn’t hard.

That describes Germany as well

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plansbandc  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:37:55am

re: #167 Jay C

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:37:59am

re: #231 Belafon

One of my co-workers told me yesterday his relative thinks “it’s all a hoax devised by [Houston Mayor] Turner and the Democrats.”

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:38:36am

re: #216 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

I believe the car he was sleeping in was blocking the other cars in the drive-through, but that’s not a capital offense either.

Many people have already pointed out that the manner in which the two officers handled this was completely wrong. They could have taken Brooks’ car keys and told Brooks to take a bus or cab home (or call a friend for a lift) and then to come retrieve his keys from the station house when he was sober. But by trying to arrest him, they turned a simple situation (a drunk guy sleeping in his car, which is not a crime) into a capital case. Driving while drunk is an offense, but the officers never actually saw him driving, just sleeping while drunk, which is not illegal.

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Florida Panhandler  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:38:49am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trash talking from a man who backed down to a orange cretin who had personally insulted his wife and own father. Ted Cruz proved he has no shame and a bottomless political ambition years ago.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:39:15am

Sylvester Turner influencing events in Europe, Asia and South America for his mysterious political purposes.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:40:07am

re: #206 Targetpractice

Republicans seem to be gambling big that the public will all go on vacation during the summer, then come back to work in the fall as if things have gone back to “normal.” And that, by August, the media will have “moved on” to another topic, allowing them to insist that the outbreak is “over.”

Since hospitals are going to be overwhelmed with new cases, with a rapidly mounting death toll, their magical thinking isn’t going to work. The virus doesn’t care what Trump’s reelection strategy is.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:40:09am

re: #144 Targetpractice

Good point I just saw noted on the news: Considering how hard Trump has pushed quackery in the hopes of a “miracle cure” during his outbreak, there’s a good chance that even if a vaccine does become available before November, that many people will avoid it if he’s promoting it.

Wow. People who avoid something because DT approves it are not different from people who do his bidding, and they’re both Darwin Award candidates.

What he thinks should not even register when you’re making a decision.

(We’re not going to have a vaccine by November.)

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:41:30am

re: #217 Targetpractice

When even Faux calls you on your bullshit, it’s time to rethink your life:

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If you wanted to know how the WH views 110,000 deaths, wonder no more:

The deadliest hurricane in US history was the Galveston Hurricane of ‘00 at 6-12,000. And we passed the death toll of that event months ago.

He went on to compare the coronavirus pandemic to a hurricane or “bad snow storm.”

“Hardship, heartbreak, yes,” Kudlow remarked. “But when it passes, people return back to their work.”

ok, let’s use your stupid storm analogy
this hurricane has not passed
it has camped out, is still raging and will for at least a year
we havent even seen close to the eye yet

asshat

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:41:52am

re: #242 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Since hospitals are going to be overwhelmed with new cases, with a rapidly mounting death toll, their magical thinking isn’t going to work. The virus doesn’t care what Trump’s reelection strategy is.

As Kudlow stated in that story up above, they’re convinced that what’s going on now is a “small” increase but the whole thing is “under control” and the country can just ride it out until a vaccine comes available.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:42:38am

re: #221 Targetpractice

Yeah, this whole new century business is a pain.

//

this newfangled century is already 20% finished

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:42:58am

re: #237 plansbandc

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:42:59am

Harris County (Houston) has six test sites to serve a population of 4.7 million.

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:43:25am

re: #244 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

ok, let’s use your stupid storm analogy
this hurricane has not passed
it has camped out, is still raging and will for at least a year
we havent even seen close to the eye yet

asshat

The “eye” was that short period around the middle of May, when numbers appeared to be going down and so states started pushing forward with “reopening” based upon the idea that new infections were in decline.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:44:05am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s another worry with Covid-19.

Okay, so it’s a lot less transmissible outdoors than in doors. Awesome! It’s summertime, temps are warm in most of the country, people have plenty of opportunity to get outdoors and enjoy themselves and be relatively safe, assuming they are social distancing and not shoulder to shoulder in large crowds.

But what happens in winter when the temps drop and people start spending waaaay more time indoors? We already have data that says this thing spreads much more easily in indoor spaces.

Bottom line: This thing isn’t even CLOSE to being over.

indeed, and that’ll be after they’ve all got ‘lazy’ (ok, relaxed) and forgotten the important, preventative habits

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:44:35am

re: #225 Eclectic Cyborg

Not all heroes wear capes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:44:52am

re: #249 Targetpractice

The “eye” was that short period around the middle of May, when numbers appeared to be going down and so states started pushing forward with “reopening” based upon the idea that new infections were in decline.

…and extreme pressure from the GOP to get the economy moving again

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plansbandc  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:45:06am

re: #247 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:45:46am

re: #224 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s another worry with Covid-19.

Okay, so it’s a lot less transmissible outdoors than in doors. Awesome! It’s summertime, temps are warm in most of the country, people have plenty of opportunity to get outdoors and enjoy themselves and be relatively safe, assuming they are social distancing and not shoulder to shoulder in large crowds.

But what happens in winter when the temps drop and people start spending waaaay more time indoors? We already have data that says this thing spreads much more easily in indoor spaces.

Bottom line: This thing isn’t even CLOSE to being over.

I live in the Metroplex. There is very little going outside in the summer. I’m certainly not going to sit outside at a restaurant when the temp is 100F.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:45:56am

re: #228 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Do I live in the only sane place in the country? I was out enjoying the bright sunny (and not hot!) weekend yesterday, and not everyone was wearing a mask — but when they walked inside, or came to a place where six feet of distance could not be maintained, they put them on. This isn’t hard.

our local area seems to be doing the same (west of lauderdale)
80-90% rate of compliance

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Targetpractice  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:46:29am

re: #252 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and extreme pressure from the GOP to get the economy moving again

Ayep. And we’re only going to see that increase as the “good” jobs report earlier this month has them convinced that the economy is rushing back to “recovery” and so there’s no need for more aid to voters.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:47:29am

re: #253 plansbandc

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:47:54am

re: #238 jaunte

One of my co-workers told me yesterday his relative thinks “it’s all a hoax devised by [Houston Mayor] Turner and the Democrats.”

There are idiots everywhere, but they’re not evenly-distributed.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:47:56am

re: #231 Belafon

People on Nextdoor around here are having conversations about why people need to continue to wear masks. I know multiple parents are worrid about how school will start up. It’s already affecting summer band practice.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:48:18am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:50:29am

re: #234 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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they never should have authorized it just because he ‘said so’

they should have taken the time to prove it first
find some science at least
that’s how medicine is done
even in a dire circumstance

you dont set medical policy on the president’s public musings

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:50:44am

re: #245 Targetpractice

As Kudlow stated in that story up above, they’re convinced that what’s going on now is a “small” increase but the whole thing is “under control” and the country can just ride it out until a vaccine comes available.

And Kudlow is always wrong. Remember when he said they had it contained “close to airtight” in February? Several states are soon going to be experiencing what the Northeast experienced in April.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:50:45am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not one to bet on other people’s misfortune, otherwise I would be offering eight to five on this outcome

Investigative journalist Greg Palast: Here’s how Trump will steal the 2020 election
Palast’s new book, “How Trump Stole 2020”, outlines a nightmare: Trump loses the electoral vote and wins anyway

This election is shaping up to be the biggest electoral clusterfuck since 1860…

If it happens, It will be your misfortune too.

But this is more of what everyone said and kept saying about 2018. We need a new font/ color for it (I suggest brown, the color of bovine excrement), since we’re obviously going to be inundated with this crap, to the point of obscuring serious concerns. (Is that why they’re doing it, or is it just spewed in the hope of keeping people home “because their vote won’t count anyway.”)

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BeachDem  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:52:07am

re: #255 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

our local area seems to be doing the same (west of lauderdale)
80-90% rate of compliance

And here in South Carolina:

On Sunday, the S.C. Department of Health and Environmental Control reported an additional 799 cases of the virus. The number marked the second-highest single-day record in the state, behind 802 cases reported Saturday…and Gov. Henry McMaster says he doesn’t plan to rollback the loosening of any restrictions…McMaster said last week he had no intentions of ordering businesses to close again, adding that it comes down to “individual responsibility.”

And hardly anyone wears masks. Sigh.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:52:47am

re: #258 Decatur Deb

This guy moved here from the UK and I think he’s still in shock from meeting his in-laws.

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nines09  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:53:45am

Coop says hebbo

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:53:58am

re: #245 Targetpractice

As Kudlow stated in that story up above, they’re convinced that what’s going on now is a “small” increase but the whole thing is “under control” and the country can just ride it out until a vaccine comes available.

The U.S. is not facing a second wave of coronavirus. “We really never quite finished the first wave,” according to Dr. Ashish Jha, a global health professor at Harvard. In an NPR interview, Jha said the first wave is unlikely to be finished “anytime soon.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:54:31am

re: #263 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

If it happens, It will be your misfortune too.

Think about what happened in Georgia. That was not “error” on the part of the users or the equipment. It was a dry run.

I fear that the GOP are keeping this strategy on tap unless Trump can do something to pull up his polling numbers and support.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:54:49am

re: #266 nines09

“What have I gotten myself into?”

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:55:35am

re: #216 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

If you’ve noticed how lines for cars snake around thanks to shutting down in-store service, it’s easy for someone to fall asleep while waiting. Not a capital offense. Someone could have tapped on the window to either get out of the line or move up. Not a police matter, let alone a shooting offense. That’s what’s wrong here.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:55:44am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Think about what happened in Georgia. That was not “error” on the part of the users or the equipment. It was a dry run.

I fear that the GOP are keeping this strategy on tap unless Trump can do something to pull up his polling numbers and support.

We don’t need Georgia. And even with their shenanigans, almost 3 times as many Democrats showed up for the primaries as they did in 2016.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:56:12am

re: #249 Targetpractice

The “eye” was that short period around the middle of May, when numbers appeared to be going down and so states started pushing forward with “reopening” based upon the idea that new infections were in decline.

hey, it’s my analogy! ;-)

that wasnt the eye. it was a mere momentary lull in the otherwise 100+ mph winds

the eye is still ahead of us
(and the analogy will fall apart anyway because whatever happens in the ‘2nd half’, will not be as bad as the first)

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:58:35am

re: #267 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

We’re seeing a long tail instead of a v shaped recovery on cases that indicates that we’ve got the situation under control.

It shows that so much of the country is yet to see the worst of it. We haven’t gotten out of the first wave, and some places never ever shut down properly to give public health experts a chance to get ahead on this by hiring contact tracers and get the tests stockpiled to do what they need to do.

That again falls on Trump. He’s wasted so much time by ignoring the problem, shifting responsibility to everyone else, and leading from the rear. The GOP again does the same thing - ignoring the experts and trying to jump start an economy that collapsed due to Trump’s failures by ignoring that covid19 is still here and running rampant nationwide.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 8:59:15am

re: #271 Belafon

We don’t need Georgia. And even with their shenanigans, almost 3 times as many Democrats showed up for the primaries as they did in 2016.

I’ll add that even with Walker’s shenanigans, we still won in Wisconsin too. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be ready for it but I’m exhausted by non stop cynicism to the point where it distracts from actually having a strategy to do something. GOTV and both Trump and the GOP Senate majority will be gone.

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danarchy  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:02:25am

re: #260 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

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Is it just me, or would a live pressure test be extraordinarily boring to watch unless there is a catastrophic failure?

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:06:30am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Think about what happened in Georgia. That was not “error” on the part of the users or the equipment. It was a dry run.

I fear that the GOP are keeping this strategy on tap unless Trump can do something to pull up his polling numbers and support.

And nothing they did prevented the vast increase of voter turnout. In WI, the judge whose seat they were trying to save lost anyway.

(Charles, could you hurry up with that BS font?)

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:07:23am

re: #270 lawhawk

If you’ve noticed how lines for cars snake around thanks to shutting down in-store service, it’s easy for someone to fall asleep while waiting. Not a capital offense. Someone could have tapped on the window to either get out of the line or move up. Not a police matter, let alone a shooting offense. That’s what’s wrong here.

once i was behind an older man who fell asleep in a stopped car
i carefully walked up and knocked on the window
woke him up
you ok?
good. the light’s green.
end of story

another time i was jogging and i came upon a kid who fell asleep at a stop sign at an intersection
about 7:30 am so i was figuring going home from a hard night
knocked on the windows
BANGED on the windows
nothing and i mean we really made some noise
called 911
had to
cop showed up
kid woke up
they had a chat
i finished my run so i didnt see the resolution
pretty sure he didnt die

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:08:04am

re: #271 Belafon

We don’t need Georgia. And even with their shenanigans, almost 3 times as many Democrats showed up for the primaries as they did in 2016.

The point is that the GOP is planning to make this upcoming election a major clusterfuck so they can disqualify the results and send it to the States.

It is not inevitable, but I really believe that they are going to fall back on this strategy if all else fails.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:08:56am

re: #275 danarchy

Is it just me, or would a live pressure test be extraordinarily boring to watch unless there is a catastrophic failure?

I can find no fault with your characterization

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:09:01am

re: #274 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ll add that even with Walker’s shenanigans, we still won in Wisconsin too. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be ready for it but I’m exhausted by non stop cynicism to the point where it distracts from actually having a strategy to do something. GOTV and both Trump and the GOP Senate majority will be gone.

GOTV is important, but making sure that people’s votes are counted and registered is importanter.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:09:59am

re: #270 lawhawk

If you’ve noticed how lines for cars snake around thanks to shutting down in-store service, it’s easy for someone to fall asleep while waiting. Not a capital offense. Someone could have tapped on the window to either get out of the line or move up. Not a police matter, let alone a shooting offense. That’s what’s wrong here.

I was agreeing with you about the degree of offense , but people apparently had to get out of their cars to go to the window. And we don’t know that they didn’t try to wake him.

ETA (No drive-in or drive-throughs around here, so I couldn’t really say how lines behave.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:10:21am
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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:11:06am

re: #274 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I’ll add that even with Walker’s shenanigans, we still won in Wisconsin too. I’m not saying we shouldn’t be ready for it but I’m exhausted by non stop cynicism to the point where it distracts from actually having a strategy to do something. GOTV and both Trump and the GOP Senate majority will be gone.

2020 <> 2016
how trump won in 2016 will not happen again
myriad circumstances are different
plus we were caught by our assumptions and complacency, which are gone now

trump is also not a Svengali
he didnt ‘will’ it to happen last time and he cant this time

there are enough smart people out there and they are all paying attention this time

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:13:19am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

GOTV is important, but making sure that people’s votes are counted and registered is importanter.

There’s a reason we have counters and poll watchers from both parties.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:13:30am

re: #280 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

GOTV is important, but making sure that people’s votes are counted and registered is importanter.

And I keep on telling you to look at what happened in 2017, 18, & 19. I’m trying not to get angry here but the nonstop cynicism because of 2016 gets exhausting I’m sorry.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:13:42am

re: #283 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

2020 <> 2016
how trump won in 2016 will not happen again
myriad circumstances are different
plus we were caught by our assumptions and complacency, which are gone now

trump is also not a Svengali
he didnt ‘will’ it to happen last time and he cant this time

there are enough smart people out there and they are all paying attention this time

He and the GOP are a lot more desperate now. That makes them dangerous. And if they have to kick over the table to avoid losing, I would not put it past them. Our system has always been based on a degree of mutual trust and respect but those are out the window these days.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:13:50am
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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:13:56am

re: #284 Belafon

There’s a reason we have counters and poll watchers from both parties.

Exactly.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:15:28am

re: #283 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

2020 <> 2016
how trump won in 2016 will not happen again
myriad circumstances are different
plus we were caught by our assumptions and complacency, which are gone now

trump is also not a Svengali
he didnt ‘will’ it to happen last time and he cant this time

there are enough smart people out there and they are all paying attention this time

Like by all means do not forget 2016 but learn from it. I don’t like it being used as a reason to constantly be cynical and ignore the good being done on the frontlines.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:16:16am

re: #263 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

If it happens, It will be your misfortune too.

But this is more of what everyone said and kept saying about 2018. We need a new font/ color for it (I suggest brown, the color of bovine excrement), since we’re obviously going to be inundated with this crap, to the point of obscuring serious concerns. (Is that why they’re doing it, or is it just spewed in the hope of keeping people home “because their vote won’t count anyway.”)

We need a button next the like so we can take a comment as a worry comment. And as it gets more and more votes, the comment turns into a worry color.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:17:05am

re: #287 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

And I would still bet on Ron.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:17:22am

re: #285 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

And I keep on telling you to look at what happened in 2017, 18, & 19. I’m trying not to get angry here but the nonstop cynicism because of 2016 gets exhausting I’m sorry.

FTFY. I haven’t gotten over being sick of all the crap from 2018. Let’s try noting problems and solutions and stop predicting consequences, shall we? Pessimists’ election predictions have been doing very badly in the last couple of years.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:18:02am

re: #278 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point is that the GOP is planning to make this upcoming election a major clusterfuck so they can disqualify the results and send it to the States.

It is not inevitable, but I really believe that they are going to fall back on this strategy if all else fails.

this is not a thing

counting results / ‘irregularities’ have to be identified and disputed at the precinct level.

there is no way to disqualify an entire election nationally

and certainly to claim just the presidential part is in question but all the senators, reps, judges, state officials, etc results are just fine is lunacy

there are recount rules, but that’s a whole different thing

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:18:03am

re: #289 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Like by all means do not forget 2016 but learn from it. I don’t like it being used as a reason to constantly be cynical and ignore the good being done on the frontlines.

Learn from it, but expect even worse. That is my point. The GOP had a viable strategy of voter suppression, and knew that apathy and indifference are the best way to supporess the opposition vote.

They can no longer count on that. So they will have to turn to other, more extreme measures. And we have already seen them in action.

Expect more of that and worse.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:18:14am

re: #290 Belafon

We need a button next the like so we can take a comment as a worry comment. And as it gets more and more votes, the comment turns into a worry color.

I mean I love y’all but at some point, it’s time to start doing what we can right now and not fretting about the past. Hell in 45 minutes, I’m attending a Google meetup for Virginia for Biden. If you’re worried, then do something. Donate money, spread the message, etc.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:19:44am

re: #293 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

this is not a thing

counting results / ‘irregularities’ have to be identified and disputed at the precinct level.

there is no way to disqualify an entire election nationally

and certainly to claim just the presidential part is in question but all the senators, reps, judges, state officials, etc results are just fine is lunacy

there are recount rules, but that’s a whole different thing

If enough states’ results are disqualified it could lead to a hung EC.

That would throw things into a massive tizzy.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:19:56am

re: #292 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

FTFY. I haven’t gotten over being sick of all the crap from 2018. Let’s try noting problems and solutions and stop predicting consequences, shall we? Pessimists’ election predictions have been doing very badly in the last couple of years.

I mean for as much credit as Michael Moore gets for 2016, he also got 2012 completely wrong. People thought Northam would barely beat Gillespie here. The tide is turning and I’m convinced it’s on our side.

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A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:20:18am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Learn from it, but expect even worse. That is my point. The GOP had a viable strategy of voter suppression, and knew that apathy and indifference are the best way to supporess the opposition vote.

They can no longer count on that. So they will have to turn to other, more extreme measures. And we have already seen them in action.

Expect more of that and worse.

Time to stop digging, really.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:20:34am

re: #167 Jay C

Yeah: here’s a piece from SCOTUSblog’s live feed - sounds like ol’ Bret is trying to have it both ways here:

Kavanaugh’s statement sounds like something Thomas would do. In the landmark Lawrence v Texas decision, only 2 justices dissented: Scalia and Thomas. Scalia’s dissent was a scathing jeremiad against the ruling; Thomas, on the other hand, just said that these decisions should be handled at a local level and did not castigate gays as immoral or evil. Thomas would have been fine with Texas legislature rescinding the law but not SCOTUS.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:20:48am

re: #297 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean for as much credit as Michael Moore gets for 2016, he also got 2012 completely wrong. People thought Northam would barely beat Gillespie here. The tide is turning and I’m convinced it’s on our side.

On that I agree, but the more it turns, the more the GOP is going to turn to extreme measures. Be prepared for them.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:21:08am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Learn from it, but expect even worse. That is my point. The GOP had a viable strategy of voter suppression, and knew that apathy and indifference are the best way to supporess the opposition vote.

They can no longer count on that. So they will have to turn to other, more extreme measures. And we have already seen them in action.

Expect more of that and worse.

Expecting it is one thing but to constantly wallow in a sea of cynicism gets us nowhere. We can fucking do this. And we will.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:22:29am

re: #301 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Expecting it is one thing but to constantly wallow in a sea of cynicism gets us nowhere. We can fucking do this. And we will.

I am not saying we should give up and let this happen, but rather that we should expect something monumentally ratfucked and be prepared to counter it.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:22:36am

re: #286 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He and the GOP are a lot more desperate now. That makes them dangerous. And if they have to kick over the table to avoid losing, I would not put it past them. Our system has always been based on a degree of mutual trust and respect but those are out the window these days.

suppressing the vote? yes. that’s a real possibility and their best weapon. there are lots of ways they have learned to do that. and probably a few new ones we’ll see - like close the poll doors spot on time no matter how many people are in line or for how long.

but questioning the legitimacy of the entire election? no not really.
that’s up there with the income tax is illegal and im a sov cit, etc.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:22:40am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

On that I agree, but the more it turns, the more the GOP is going to turn to extreme measures. Be perpared for them.

I am. But I’m also tired of the cynicism for the reason I’ve said. No offense but people were acting like 2018 would suck. Speaker Pelosi happened. Impeachment happened. At some point, it’s time to realize we’re not losers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:24:45am

re: #304 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I am. But I’m also tired of the cynicism for the reason I’ve said. No offense but people were acting like 2018 would suck. Speaker Pelosi happened. Impeachment happened. At some point, it’s time to realize we’re not losers.

We were winners in 2016 at least in terms of the popular vote, just not a gaming the system to achieve an outcome that overrides that…that is a serious concern. Do not let ourselves be outgamed.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:29:05am

re: #302 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am not saying we should give up and let this happen, but rather that we should expect something monumentally ratfucked and be prepared to counter it.

I’m not saying you’re saying we should give up but sometimes I think we do resort to unwarranted cynicism. Of course, we’re going to be on the lookout for the things you’re talking about. Biden’s already said he worries that Trump will try to steal it. But at the same time, I choose to look at positive developments that show us competing with Trump in states that Democrats haven’t competed for on a presidential level in a longtime.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:31:04am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

On that I agree, but the more it turns, the more the GOP is going to turn to extreme measures. Be prepared for them.

And yet they lost control if VA completely. There’s being ready to deal with the possibility that the car next to you might swerve into your lane and there’s being ready that a jet engine might fall out of the sky right as you walk outside.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:31:10am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If enough states’ results are disqualified it could lead to a hung EC.
That would throw things into a massive tizzy.

sorry. no it can’t.

gaming the EC in any way shape or form this cycle has been well, gamed out by people much smarter than me.

wont happen
cant happen

voter suppression is what’s real:

- don’t budget enough to hire poll workers so there’s less polling places, longer lines.
- not enough money to print and send absentee ballots - some people dont vote, the rest longer lines
- shorten hours, longer lines
- eliminate early voting days, longer lines
- make up and enforce absurd ID laws, longer lines

and as i said above, close the doors spot on time ignoring the line outside

this stuff can easily happen

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:33:15am

re: #297 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

I mean for as much credit as Michael Moore gets for 2016, he also got 2012 completely wrong. People thought Northam would barely beat Gillespie here. The tide is turning and I’m convinced it’s on our side.

somebody always wins the lottery (evnetually)
someone always picks the long shot
someone always gets the outlier
so the media always looks around for the story of ‘who got it right when everyone else got it wrong’

that doesnt make them prescient or even worth listening to in ‘predicting’ or analyzing the next one

do it a couple of times in a row and we’ll talk

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:33:24am

re: #307 Belafon

And yet they lost control if VA completely. There’s being ready to deal with the possibility that the car next to you might swerve into your lane and there’s being ready that a jet engine might fall out of the sky right as you walk outside.

I think your state and Georgia will be the next to see what happens when the GOP completely writes off diverse metropolitan areas. It’s what has helped transform Virginia from a Republican state to a Democratic one. Our base is growing while theirs is decreasing.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:37:10am

re: #265 jaunte

This guy moved here from the UK and I think he’s still in shock from meeting his in-laws.

Should have tarried at a half-way house in Manchester.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:37:19am

re: #187 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t ever doubt how brainwashed and delusional Republicans can be:

(Via POLITICO) By most conventional indicators, Donald Trump is in danger of becoming a one-term president. The economy is a wreck, the coronavirus persists, and his poll numbers have deteriorated.

But throughout the Republican Party’s vast organization in the states, the operational approach to Trump’s re-election campaign is hardening around a fundamentally different view.


“The more bad things happen in the country, it just solidifies support for Trump,” said Phillip Stephens, GOP chairman in Robeson County, N.C., one of several rural counties in that swing state that shifted from supporting Barack Obama in 2012 to Trump in 2016. “We’re calling him ‘Teflon Trump.’ Nothing’s going to stick, because if anything, it’s getting more exciting than it was in 2016.”

This year, Stephens said, “We’re thinking landslide.”

…….


In Ohio, Jane Timken, the state party chair, said she sees no evidence of support for Trump slipping. Jennifer Carnahan, the chairwoman of the Minnesota Republican Party, said the same. And Lawrence Tabas, the chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, went so far as to predict that Trump would not only carry his state, but beat Biden by more than 100,000 votes — more than twice the margin he mustered in 2016.

Some of this talk may just be trying to keep up enthusiasm for the base to save downstream races. But let’s recall that many Republicans were equally convinced that Romney would win in 2012 — Rove had a national meltdown on election night when the pollsters called Ohio for Obama.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:38:10am

re: #309 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

somebody always wins the lottery (evnetually)
someone always picks the long shot
someone always gets the outlier
so the media always looks around for the story of ‘who got it right when everyone else got it wrong’

that doesnt make them prescient or even worth listening to in ‘predicting’ or analyzing the next one

do it a couple of times in a row and we’ll talk

I mean I remember when Karl Rove was seen as a political genius and I still remember how shocked he was when Obama beat Romney in Ohio. Trump benefited last time from a lot of the electorate having a strongly negative opinion of Clinton. I hate it but it definitely played a role. You know those lame Chris Cilliza hot takes that we got every day on CNN four years ago? Well now most of them are about Trump. Trump and I keep on saying this really does face a fairly unique disadvantage as an incumbent because he’s no longer the empty slate that he hid behind four years ago and to be this vote for people who claimed they were desperate for change. Now, he’s a proven entity and a proven failure. THere is no wall. Mexico didn’t pay for it. Oh and did I mention the employment rate, that we’re in a pandemic, and that we’ve alienated a lot of our allies.

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BigPapa  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:44:28am

The negatives on Clinton that the right invested in for 25 years came through for Needy Amin in 2016. Plus good old fashioned misogyny. Biden doesn’t have to swim up those rivers. This is going to be a decisive advantage the Goons Of Putin will not have in 2020.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:44:45am
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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:44:59am

Bruce Springsteen - You Can Look (But You Better Not Touch) (The River Tour, Tempe 1980)

Yesterday I went shopping, buddy, down to the mall
Looking for something pretty I could hang on my wall
I knocked over a lamp, before it hit the floor I caught it
A salesman turned around, said, “Boy, you break that thing you bought it”

You can look but you better not touch, boy
You can look but you better not touch
Mess around and you’ll end up in dutch, boy
You can look but you better not, no you better not, no you better not touch

Well I came home from work and I switched on Channel 5
There was a pretty little girly looking straight into my eyes
Well I watched as she wiggled back and forth across the screen
She didn’t get me excited, she just made me feel mean

Well I called up Dirty Annie on the telephone
I took her out to the drive-in just to get her alone
I found a lover’s rendezvous, the music low, set to park
I heard a tapping on the window and a voice in the dark

You can look but you better not touch, boy
You can look, better not touch
Mess around and you’ll end up in dutch, boy
You can look but you better not, no you better not…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:46:28am

re: #243 A hollow Gandalfian voice says, VOTE, you fools!

Wow. People who avoid something because DT approves it are not different from people who do his bidding, and they’re both Darwin Award candidates.

What he thinks should not even register when you’re making a decision.

(We’re not going to have a vaccine by November.)

Except if there is an announcement in fall, people who are reluctant to take the vaccine may be reflecting a concern that it has been released prematurely — before it’s been thoroughly determined to be safe and effective, just like the government approvals for hydroxychloroquine. There is already widespread concern out there that this will be happening.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:47:55am

re: #314 BigPapa

The negatives on Clinton that the right invested in for 25 years came through for Needy Amin in 2016. Plus good old fashioned misogyny. Biden doesn’t have to swim up those rivers. This is going to be a decisive advantage the Goons Of Putin will not have in 2020.

They tried the corruption angle, failed when Trump got impeached. Tried the sex assault angle, backfired when Joe’s accuser ended up having no credibility, and the dementia/frail stuff is even more laughable now after Trump’s West Point trip. Biden isn’t a perfect candidate- no one is but he might just be what we need to not only beat Trump but beat him bigly.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:49:05am

One big reason why I think Trump won’t get reelected:

People are tired of him. We’re ashamed of him. We’re ashamed that someone like that could become President.

I’ll tell you a secret - ever since he was elected, I keep having these moments where I’m afraid he’ll finally do something right, just enough to get reelected. I suppose it’s a bad thing, to be afraid the President will succeed, but he’s so bad in every particular that THE most important thing is to be rid of him.

But he has never failed to disappoint. Every time that events offer him a chance to do the right thing, WITHOUT FAIL he fucks it up, no matter how simple it would have been to do the right thing.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:49:24am

re: #315 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

Probably fake, and we’re so rat-fucked that it’s difficult to guess who’s faking it. Do we have any Tulsa lizards who could test-respond?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt'n😷Trips  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:52:00am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

Probably fake, and we’re so rat-fucked that it’s difficult to guess who’s faking it. Do we have any Tulsa lizards who could test-respond?

I was thinking the same possibility. I bet there are already “Soros hiring actors” post jamming up reddit

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:53:04am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

Probably fake, and we’re so rat-fucked that it’s difficult to guess who’s faking it. Do we have any Tulsa lizards who could test-respond?

I thought the “actors wanted” crap had already been debunked as fake..

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:53:15am

re: #320 Decatur Deb

Probably fake, and we’re so rat-fucked that it’s difficult to guess who’s faking it. Do we have any Tulsa lizards who could test-respond?

Yes, either side could use this to discredit either protestors or Trump supporters, and ads are cheap.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:53:36am

re: #319 Blind Frog Belly White

One big reason why I think Trump won’t get reelected:

[Embedded content]

People are tired of him. We’re ashamed of him. We’re ashamed that someone like that could become President.

I’ll tell you a secret - ever since he was elected, I keep having these moments where I’m afraid he’ll finally do something right, just enough to get reelected. I suppose it’s a bad thing, to be afraid the President will succeed, but he’s so bad in every particular that THE most important thing is to be rid of him.

But he has never failed to disappoint. Every time that events offer him a chance to do the right thing, WITHOUT FAIL he fucks it up, no matter how simple it would have been to do the right thing.

We keep on hearing how he’ll have that rally the country behind him moment but he’s incapable of it. I mean say what you will about Reagan or W Bush but they were capable of remembering and showing they weren’t just the President of the people who voted for them. That’s a big difference. He failed after Charlottesville. He’s failed after Floyd. And he’s going to keep on failing.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:53:59am

re: #323 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, either side could use this to discredit either protestors or Trump supporters, and ads are cheap.

It’s very easy to put up a Craigslist ad so yeah I’m skeptical too.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:55:07am

re: #321 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I was thinking the same possibility. I bet there are already “Soros hiring actors” post jamming up reddit

Well isn’t it obvious? Soros paid for the paid actors ad.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:56:12am

re: #325 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

It’s very easy to put up a Craigslist ad so yeah I’m skeptical too.

Is there even any response address? Can’t tell from the captures.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:57:11am

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Is there even any response address? Can’t tell from the captures.

I’m not sure but it’s easy to put things like this up. It’s not like it costs a ton to put up an ad there.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 9:59:20am

re: #317 Hecuba’s daughter

Except if there is an announcement in fall, people who are reluctant to take the vaccine may be reflecting a concern that it has been released prematurely — before it’s been thoroughly determined to be safe and effective, just like the government approvals for hydroxychloroquine. There is already widespread concern out there that this will be happening.

the first people who are going to get it are frontline healthcare workers
and they’ll be monitored
for effectiveness
for side effects

by the time it’s ‘released for the public’ it’ll be a known quantity

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:00:17am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:00:18am

re: #314 BigPapa

The negatives on Clinton that the right invested in for 25 years came through for Needy Amin in 2016. Plus good old fashioned misogyny. Biden doesn’t have to swim up those rivers. This is going to be a decisive advantage the Goons Of Putin will not have in 2020.

There is also a group of low information voters who almost always vote against the status quo. This year that cuts against Trump.

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LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:01:03am

re: #331 NO SMOCKING GUN!

There is also a group of low information voters who almost always vote against the status quo. This year that cuts against Trump.

Yeah the undecideds aren’t going to break Trump’s way this time. As I said, it was easier with MAGA, now it’s “Transition to Greatness.” Really? That’s your slogan dude?

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:01:30am

re: #319 Blind Frog Belly White

One big reason why I think Trump won’t get reelected:

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People are tired of him. We’re ashamed of him. We’re ashamed that someone like that could become President.

I’ll tell you a secret - ever since he was elected, I keep having these moments where I’m afraid he’ll finally do something right, just enough to get reelected.
I suppose it’s a bad thing, to be afraid the President will succeed, but he’s so bad in every particular that THE most important thing is to be rid of him.

But he has never failed to disappoint. Every time that events offer him a chance to do the right thing, WITHOUT FAIL he fucks it up, no matter how simple it would have been to do the right thing.

the pivot?
now?

anything he even tried to do at this stage would be seen as cynical and transparent

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:02:00am

re: #330 gocart mozart

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As they mention, it’s from a previous year. I just points out how much they think they can get away with.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:03:58am

re: #332 LeftyRambles2413 (HappyWarrior)

Yeah the undecideds aren’t going to break Trump’s way this time. As I said, it was easier with MAGA, now it’s “Transition to Greatness.” Really? That’s your slogan dude?

based on my reading, true undecideds are running around 4-5% or so
- not independents who wont identify with a party
- not ‘weak support’

actual ‘i dont know who im voting for yet’

based on current polling numbers, if trump got them all, he’d still lose

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Jay C  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:09:25am

<re: #308 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

gaming the EC in any way shape or form this cycle has been well, gamed out by people much smarter than me.

wont happen
cant happen

voter suppression is what’s real:

Well, even though I like to agree with you that it “can’t happen”, unfortunately, at the State level, it probably can. What I see as an “1876” scenario: where in a close election (recounts notwithstanding), state officials (from you-know-which Party) certify returns for one slate of electors, regardless of what final results may be - or worse, find some fiddle in the law to send the issue to the (incumbent) Legislature; leaving the other Party to, basically, have to go to court for a ruling on rival slates…
I personally don’t think it would work very well, and certainly not on a national level: but I’m sure that some sort or another of election fuckery HAS indeed been thoroughly “gamed out” - so it falls to us to make sure that ballot results this Fall are unambiguous enough to foil said efforts. But I agree, “voter suppression” (disgracefully legal in many places) is the greater danger.

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danarchy  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:10:47am

re: #329 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

the first people who are going to get it are frontline healthcare workers
and they’ll be monitored
for effectiveness
for side effects

by the time it’s ‘released for the public’ it’ll be a known quantity

Moderna is already into phase 2 safety trials with several hundred participants and are on schedule to start phase 3 trials for efficacy in July with 30000 participants.

Their schedule is so accelerated from a normal vaccine trial process though that the anti-vaxxers are going to have a field day with this.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:12:49am

3 Charged In St. Paul Nutrition Store Arson During George Floyd Unrest

Samuel Frey, Bailey Baldus and McKenzy Ann Degidio Dunn (credit: Sherburne Co. Jail)

Tubes - White Punks On Dope (1977 R0X M1X)

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:16:02am

Heh. Looks like the Austro-Hungarian Empire is back in business, boys and girls!

BTW, that’s Charles Bridge and Prague Castle. In Prague. Not Austria.

The text says, “Cross the borders and be enchanted by the beauty of Austria”. 😄

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:19:32am

re: #333 Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)

the pivot?
now?

anything he even tried to do at this stage would be seen as cynical and transparent

It’s not a rational thought. But I think that we as a country are starving for it, for any kind of normality.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:19:45am

re: #330 gocart mozart

There are some misleading omissions from Doucette’s post.
APD says man shot, killed by police was reaching for BB gun

This happened last August.
There were multiple 9-1-1 calls reporting that the man had a gun (which is the reason they sent SWAT, something that Doucette treats as inexplicable).
He had been arrested before for shooting a BB gun at occupied buildings.
Clarification: It happened in August but the body cam footage was released in October. This makes the “pre protest” characterization dishonest and misleading, or else the local protesters have a hell of a long lead time.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:25:01am

re: #336 Jay C

<

Well, even though I like to agree with you that it “can’t happen”, unfortunately, at the State level, it probably can. What I see as an “1876” scenario: where in a close election (recounts notwithstanding), state officials (from you-know-which Party) certify returns for one slate of electors, regardless of what final results may be - or worse, find some fiddle in the law to send the issue to the (incumbent) Legislature; leaving the other Party to, basically, have to go to court for a ruling on rival slates…
I personally don’t think it would work very well, and certainly not on a national level: but I’m sure that some sort or another of election fuckery HAS indeed been thoroughly “gamed out” - so it falls to us to make sure that ballot results this Fall are unambiguous enough to foil said efforts. But I agree, “voter suppression” (disgracefully legal in many places) is the greater danger.

Your scenario has been covered
Would require changes to *multiple* states laws as I understand it
States can pick electors or hold an election and select electors based on the vote
They can’t hold an election and ignore it

And there still aren’t enough R controlled swing states or legislatures who could do this to change the result

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:25:27am
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Ferdinand  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:26:25am

re: #321 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 No Capt’n😷Trips

I’m in OKC, with close friends in Tulsa who have participated in the protests. I’m going to poke around some more later. We’re considering protesting here rather than going to Tulsa, in part because the MAGA hoard wants a fight and fuck them they don’t get to dictate the terms of engagement.

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Welcome to The Imbleachment (dangerman)  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:30:00am

re: #343 lawhawk

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Dude et Al got a pre-existing condition now

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Charles Johnson  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:31:17am

I’m looking at this, just astounded that Trump thinks this is a good thing to say.

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Belafon  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:33:12am

re: #343 lawhawk

“Wuhan flu.” I’m assuming he has a white robe in his closet.

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lawhawk  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:33:34am

re: #344 Ferdinand

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:34:14am

re: #337 danarchy

Moderna is already into phase 2 safety trials with several hundred participants and are on schedule to start phase 3 trials for efficacy in July with 30000 participants.

Their schedule is so accelerated from a normal vaccine trial process though that the anti-vaxxers are going to have a field day with this.

Fuck ‘em.

Here’s the thing, though - the sooner a vaccine trial reports back with efficacy, the longer will be the lag between that event and commercial release. Scaling up a lab process to clinical trial volumes is a heavy lift, and going commercial with something that may end up being given to a billion people? That’s ENORMOUS, and time consuming simply because of how these things scale. Toss in a QC failure of a lot, and it stretches still further.

And, though I really hope this works out, there’s a scenario that scares me. RSV. Respiratory Syncytial Virus. Leading cause of hospitalization of kids under 4, IIRC. Back in the golden age of simple vaccines (grow it up, inactivate it with formalin, inject), lots of diseases were easily defeated. So RSV would be simple.

So they grew it up, formalin inactivated it and injected it. Results came back - the vaccinee arm of the study fared A LOT worse when infected than the placebo arm. Turns out the vaccine actually made the disease a lot worse. There STILL isn’t a vaccine for RSV, 5 decades or more later.

That’s what I fear, that a virus that seems to trigger the immune system to overreact might be hard to vaccinate against. I mean, the percentage of people who have truly severe disease is pretty low, and we don’t know why yet. The unknowns always bug me.

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jaunte  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:34:52am

re: #347 Belafon

“Wuhan flu.” I’m assuming he has a white robe in his closet.

How did he not work “Democrat Party” into that.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:36:04am

re: #348 lawhawk

If Trump’s “triumph of the will” rally ends up getting the ax as a result of that determination, his meltdown is gonna be one for the ages.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:37:02am

re: #346 Charles Johnson

I’m looking at this, just astounded that Trump thinks this is a good thing to say.

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This is the problem with him being the front end of a centaur instead of an actual human.
He doesn’t understand why saying “I don’t want more tests because they make me look bad” is a bad thing to say.

And of course, it’s horseshit anyway. Percent of tests coming back positive is rising in a lot of places. Hospitalizations are rising there, too.

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BeachDem  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:41:31am

re: #343 lawhawk

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That’s my fucking rep. Always worthless; now more than ever. Wuhan flu—what an asshole.

The only positive thing I can say about his upcoming race is that Melissa Watson, his Dem challenger, won the primary outright, so doesn’t have to do a runoff and indicates some widespread support. Probably won’t win, but we grasp at any available straws.

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gocart mozart  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:47:48am

re: #341 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“There are some misleading omissions from Doucette’s post.
APD says man shot, killed by police was reaching for BB gun”
APD is lying. Watch the video

This happened last August.
There were multiple 9-1-1 calls reporting that the man had a gun (which is the reason they sent SWAT, something that Doucette treats as inexplicable).
He had been arrested before for shooting a BB gun at occupied buildings.
Clarification: It happened in August but the body cam footage was released in October. This makes the “pre protest” characterization dishonest and misleading, or else the local protesters have a hell of a long lead time.

It happened before the protest and is unrelated to the protest, hence “pre-protest”. It is clearly labled 08/19. What part are you having difficult understanding? Your characterization of Doucette’s characterization is dishonest.

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Nojay UK  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:50:52am

re: #349 Blind Frog Belly White

The effort to move a vaccine into mass production i.e. billions of doses produced in a short timescale is very great but given the widespread effect of this disease on the world’s population the Powers That Be have collectively said “Fuck it” and promised to throw unlimited resources at the problem. The factories to produce candidate vaccines that pass the smell test are being planned now, they won’t wait for those vaccines to be validated first.

A couple of months back Bill Gates said he was intending to spend several billion dollars on the construction of multiple facilities, each facility to mass-manufacture a particular candidate vaccine that hadn’t even entered clinical trials at that point. If, as is likely several of those candidate vaccines fail in testing then their production facilities would be written off and even more money would be pumped into the other facilities for the more promising candidate vaccines.

COVID-19 is not simply a medical challenge, dealing with it is a war.

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William Lewis  Jun 15, 2020 • 10:57:13am

re: #339 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Looks like the Austro-Hungarian Empire is back in business, boys and girls!

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The text says, “Cross the borders and be enchanted by the beauty of Austria”. 😄

Better find the Habsburg heir!

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 15, 2020 • 11:02:02am

re: #341 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

There are some misleading omissions from Doucette’s post.
APD says man shot, killed by police was reaching for BB gun

This happened last August.

Clarification: It happened in August but the body cam footage was released in October. This makes the “pre protest” characterization dishonest and misleading, or else the local protesters have a hell of a long lead time.

Doucette’s “pre protest” designation is simply to clarify why he isn’t assigning a number. Because numbers are reserved for post Floyd violence against protesters, press, legal observers and civilians attacked for being “in the wrong place and time.”

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Decatur Deb  Jun 15, 2020 • 11:13:36am

re: #353 BeachDem

That’s my fucking rep. Always worthless; now more than ever. Wuhan flu—what an asshole.

The only positive thing I can say about his upcoming race is that Melissa Watson, his Dem challenger, won the primary outright, so doesn’t have to do a runoff and indicates some widespread support. Probably won’t win, but we grasp at any available straws.

Got so many straws I can’t get the motorcycle in the garage.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 15, 2020 • 3:41:36pm

re: #354 gocart mozart

“There are some misleading omissions from Doucette’s post.
APD says man shot, killed by police was reaching for BB gun”
APD is lying. Watch the video

This happened last August.
There were multiple 9-1-1 calls reporting that the man had a gun (which is the reason they sent SWAT, something that Doucette treats as inexplicable).
He had been arrested before for shooting a BB gun at occupied buildings.
Clarification: It happened in August but the body cam footage was released in October. This makes the “pre protest” characterization dishonest and misleading, or else the local protesters have a hell of a long lead time.

It happened before the protest and is unrelated to the protest, hence “pre-protest”. It is clearly labled 08/19. What part are you having difficult understanding? Your characterization of Doucette’s characterization is dishonest.

Ok, I misunderstood “pre-protest” but only the video time stamp gives the date. Did they also fabricate the 9-1-1 calls, which are quoted verbatim and are on the public record? Doucette fails to address this or the claim of a gun at all.


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