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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 11:48:43am

And do not forget companies like Inspire Clean Energy. I called the BBB and the PUC and both were very sympathetic and I have case numbers. They cannot do much more.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:02:08pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:02:53pm

Notable transphobe J.K. Rowling comes running to the defense of…

Rowling says critics should have engaged with alt-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos rather than running him off college campuses. “I’m watching from across the pond as he tries to speak on various campuses and there are protests, riots, ‘We want him de-platformed, we don’t want him to speak at all,’” she recalls (per The Telegraph). “And I thought it was a terrible strategic error. My feeling was, you are giving this man way more power than he deserves by behaving in this way. It made Milo look sexier and edgier than he deserved to look.”

“I thought it was strategically appalling… get on that platform and eviscerate his ideas, get on that platform and expose him for the charlatan that he is. You push back hard. You’ve given him so much power by refusing to talk,” Rowling continues. “In fact, they were serving his purposes because he was able to walk away from that saying, ‘Look, they don’t dare debate me, this is how dangerous and edgy I am.’ And I don’t think we want to cast the alt-right in that light.”

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:07:10pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

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He’s talking about the FBI who helped his Dad beat Hilary and who feared entering MAL and who acted as “whistleblowers” for Jim Jordan?

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:08:27pm

Damn, I found a $200 gift card on the side of I-787 in Albany.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:09:49pm

re: #6 Shropshire Slasher

Is it a place/service you use? If so that is great. Enjoy it.

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:10:28pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

The first rule for debating creationists is don’t debate creationists. The same applies to debating any other part of hard right ideology that has no rational arguments in its favor (i.e., all of it).

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:11:35pm

re: #7 PhillyPretzel

Visa gift card, already changed the PIN.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:12:39pm

re: #6 Shropshire Slasher

Damn, I found a $200 gift card on the side of I-787 in Albany.

Might not be active. Call the number on the back first and see.

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steve_davis  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:14:17pm

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Notable transphobe J.K. Rowling comes running to the defense of…

Rowling says critics should have engaged with alt-right provocateur Milo Yiannopoulos rather than running him off college campuses. “I’m watching from across the pond as he tries to speak on various campuses and there are protests, riots, ‘We want him de-platformed, we don’t want him to speak at all,’” she recalls (per The Telegraph). “And I thought it was a terrible strategic error. My feeling was, you are giving this man way more power than he deserves by behaving in this way. It made Milo look sexier and edgier than he deserved to look.”

“I thought it was strategically appalling… get on that platform and eviscerate his ideas, get on that platform and expose him for the charlatan that he is. You push back hard. You’ve given him so much power by refusing to talk,” Rowling continues. “In fact, they were serving his purposes because he was able to walk away from that saying, ‘Look, they don’t dare debate me, this is how dangerous and edgy I am.’ And I don’t think we want to cast the alt-right in that light.”

she is most definitely not “running to his defense” there. And she is likely right. Let him come make his case if he can make it. I can still remember at Clemson having some quack creationist try to make a case in Tillman, only to have various audience members destroy him with basic geology.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:20:28pm

re: #11 steve_davis

she is most definitely not “running to his defense” there. And she is likely right. Let him come make his case if he can make it. I can still remember at Clemson having some quack creationist try to make a case in Tillman, only to have various audience members destroy him with basic geology.

Letting fascists make their case has won the argument with almost every Republican.
You deny maniacs a forum, you don’t debate them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:28:18pm

ok, here we go…

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:28:32pm

re: #11 steve_davis

she is most definitely not “running to his defense” there. And she is likely right. Let him come make his case if he can make it. I can still remember at Clemson having some quack creationist try to make a case in Tillman, only to have various audience members destroy him with basic geology.

That just means that particular creationist wasn’t good at lying.

At best a creation-evolution debate vs. a skilled creationist liar is going to be a draw (on debating points), since the normal debate formats are a piss-poor way of arriving at the truth on technical issues. And that’s only if the scientist is prepared to effectively counter creationist debate tactics like the Gish gallop (named after a creationist).

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:31:07pm

re: #12 Crush White Nationalism

Letting fascists make their case has won the argument with almost every Republican.
You deny maniacs a forum, you don’t debate them.

Yup. Fascists don’t win on the strength of their arguments; they win by getting their arguments out to people who haven’t heard them.

Debates aren’t really about changing people’s ideas; they are primarily popularity contests for the audience. Bill Nye’s debate on creationism with Ken Ham did not convince a single creationist to change their position, but it did expose Ken Ham to a far wider audience who had not heard him or his ideas before. A large number of scientists and counter-apologists were dismayed that Mr. Nye actually agreed to such a debate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:33:02pm

sun is blazing, in between hammering downfall rains

so much fun

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:34:44pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yup. Fascists don’t win on the strength of their arguments; they win by getting their arguments out to people who haven’t heard them.

Debates aren’t really about changing people’s ideas; they are primarily popularity contests for the audience. Bill Nye’s debate on creationism with Ken Ham did not convince a single creationist to change their position, but it did expose Ken Ham to a far wider audience who had not heard him or his ideas before. A large number of scientists and counter-apologists were dismayed that Mr. Nye actually agreed to such a debate.

Scientists that agree to debate creationists are making the category error of assuming the debate is to be an exchange of ideas (as is commonplace within the scientific community).

It’s not.

For the creationist, it’s a chance to get their propaganda out to a wider audience, with bonus points that their ideas are “worth debating”. E.g., Nye vs. Ham above.

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:35:44pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:35:48pm

Yesterday I got some scam call from a guy with a South Asian accent who kept asking various forms of “can you hear me?” without providing his name or who he was representing. After he repeated the question like four times I said “fuck off” and hung up.

Sometimes I get legitimate calls from recruiters even though I am retired. I am polite to them. However these Medicare scammers are just phone pests.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:37:00pm
A Secret Service raid led to the arrest of William Suriano, 69, of Riverside, and Reza Mehraban, 75, of Naperville, along with his son, who was arrested in Miami.

The three of them are accused of defrauding at least eight victims in northeast Ohio using Bitcoin kiosks that were not legally licensed.

“I think everyone standing here believes the victims on our indictment are not the total universe of victims,” said Andrew Rogalski, supervisor of the economic crimes unit. “It’s more like the tip of the iceberg.”

Prosecutors in Ohio say police seized more than 50 of the bitcoin ATMs in Ohio on Wednesday. Officials did not mention any illegal ATMs located in Illinois.

People who live near me are grifting people in Ohio who don’t know to avoid cryptocurrencies. (ABC7 via MSN)

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:37:11pm

re: #19 The Pie Overlord!

I sympathize with you. See my number #1. Inspire Clean Energy are pests.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:37:32pm

re: #19 The Pie Overlord!

Yesterday I got some scam call from a guy with a South Asian accent who kept asking various forms of “can you hear me?” without providing his name or who he was representing. After he repeated the question like four times I said “fuck off” and hung up.

Sometimes I get legitimate calls from recruiters even though I am retired. I am polite to them. However these Medicare scammers are just phone pests.

yeah, when they try to make you say “yes” to make you agree to something never mentioned…assholes

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Anymouse 🌹🏡😷  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:40:10pm

Today is Mexican Train dominoes day at the public library, so I’m going to take a bow and exit stage back door.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:40:41pm

WaPo ping Biden had a small lesion removed from his chest. It was cancerous and all cancer has been removed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:46:44pm

re: #24 PhillyPretzel

WaPo ping Biden had a small lesion removed from his chest. It was cancerous and all cancer has been removed.

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steve_davis  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:50:25pm

re: #15 Anymouse 🌹🏡😷

Yup. Fascists don’t win on the strength of their arguments; they win by getting their arguments out to people who haven’t heard them.

Debates aren’t really about changing people’s ideas; they are primarily popularity contests for the audience. Bill Nye’s debate on creationism with Ken Ham did not convince a single creationist to change their position, but it did expose Ken Ham to a far wider audience who had not heard him or his ideas before. A large number of scientists and counter-apologists were dismayed that Mr. Nye actually agreed to such a debate.

in the early days of the theory of natural selection, not only did scientists debate creationists, but clergymen occasionally debated creationists at well. And natural selection fluorished. Maybe the problem isn’t debating fascists or creationists. Maybe the problem is that most people suck at argumentation. Let a scientist with the mind of a contract law professor take on a creationist and creationism would be obliterated.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:50:37pm

Barring rigorous preconditions and an audience informed in both the subject-debated and the tactics one can use to argue, “debate” is just a rhetorical exchange in which bad faith strategies are entirely viable. You don’t debate people that are acting in bad faith, and…that’s basically all reactionaries. They have no interest in the discipline of ascertaining truth, their epistemology is simply that “truth” is what is generated by the powerful.

That’s why you don’t platform them.

What Rowling misunderstands—which basically everyone who accepts the “debate me” format misunderstands—is that there is no meritocracy, so the “free market of ideas” functions exactly like the actual market: it’s rigged and people will accept shoddy products if they’re convenient and require little investment of time and energy. The public forum is literally the worst place to discuss anything that requires nuance or deep references because cunning and persuasive speech are good heuristically but bad at ascertaining truth.

What not being addressed at all is…the heuristic that if a person is told to shut up, they must have a point is present in our society and it is utterly fucking useless, absolute dogshit even when applied to “good” people that were at large rejected.

Basically, most of our woes come from most people being unwilling or unable to engage with complexity, having been trained by culture—a mostly capitalist culture—to view knowledge as a heroic struggle by individuals that follows a three-act structure.

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:51:17pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

“basal cell” is good news here, since that’s not a particularly dangerous skin cancer (in contrast with melanoma).

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:54:29pm

re: #26 steve_davis

in the early days of the theory of natural selection, not only did scientists debate creationists, but clergymen occasionally debated creationists at well. And natural selection fluorished. Maybe the problem is debating fascists or creationists. Maybe the problem is that most people suck at argumentation. Let a scientist with the mind of a contract law professor take on a creationist and creationism would be obliterated.

That was a debate because the concept of evolution was new, so there were sane people who were creationists and could be persuaded to believe in newly discovered reality.

It wouldn’t work now, because today’s creationists are willfully-ignorant. There’s nothing to be gained by debating cranks who have beliefs that are 160 years out of date.

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Captain Ron  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:56:00pm
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Jay C  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:56:11pm

re: #28 EPR-radar

“basal cell” is good news here, since that’s not a particularly dangerous skin cancer (in contrast with melanoma).

Yes. Sounds like that lesion was the least-dangerous form of skin cancer, so good for Joe.

Especially as there ARE some forms of skin cancer that are much deadlier: we knew someone who died from it.

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:56:23pm

re: #26 steve_davis

in the early days of the theory of natural selection, not only did scientists debate creationists, but clergymen occasionally debated creationists at well. And natural selection fluorished. Maybe the problem is debating fascists or creationists. Maybe the problem is that most people suck at argumentation. Let a scientist with the mind of a contract law professor take on a creationist and creationism would be obliterated.

That’s the problem right there — the intellectual specialization we have these days makes this most unlikely.

Plus, evolution vs. creationism is a settled issue these days intellectually, unlike earlier eras. So an evolution-creationism debate in the 21st century is intrinsically bad faith, in a way that such debates centuries ago mostly weren’t.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:56:44pm

re: #19 The Pie Overlord!

Yesterday I got some scam call from a guy with a South Asian accent who kept asking various forms of “can you hear me?” without providing his name or who he was representing. After he repeated the question like four times I said “fuck off” and hung up.

Sometimes I get legitimate calls from recruiters even though I am retired. I am polite to them. However these Medicare scammers are just phone pests.

I got a Medicare scam scall this morning. I’m 42. I work. I don’t have Medicare. Fucking idjits.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2023 • 12:58:49pm

It’s also notable that when reactionaries do experiment with debating in good faith against a well-trained debater with expertise…they fail spectacularly, and there’s an arguable good to the occasional highly-structured debate for this reason.

But the issue of platforming on college campuses incorporates another layer that I feel doesn’t get covered: most of the people protested have no qualifications to speak in a meaningfully knowledgable way at an institution of learning. They’re fucking influencers or, at best, quacks that cannot sustain their claims in argument among their peers and have resorted to conspiracy logic…skepticism of my claims is cabal behavior…to have a career. That a campus’ administration would accept the lukewarm vomit notion that inquiry requires “both sides” when one side is fundamentally uninteresting in the process of knowing things and thinking should be mocked and abhorred.

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Dangerman  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:00:07pm

re: #257 danarchy

Tax credits help wether you pay taxes or not. Tax deductions do not help if you don’t pay taxes.

without putting too fine a point on it, that depends on whether the credit is refundable or non-refundable

If a refundable credit exceeds the amount of taxes you owe, you get the difference in your tax refund. like the EITC.

if a nonrefundable credit exceeds the amount of taxes you owe, the excess is lost or might be carried forward: like the Foreign Tax Credit or Lifetime Learning Credit.

now back to something less boring

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:05:55pm

re: #34 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s also notable that when reactionaries do experiment with debating in good faith against a well-trained debater with expertise…they fail spectacularly, and there’s an arguable good to the occasional highly-structured debate for this reason.

But the issue of platforming on college campuses incorporates another layer that I feel doesn’t get covered: most of the people protested have no qualifications to speak in a meaningfully knowledgable way at an institution of learning. They’re fucking influencers or, at best, quacks that cannot sustain their claims in argument among their peers and have resorted to conspiracy logic…skepticism of my claims is cabal behavior…to have a career. That a campus’ administration would accept the lukewarm vomit notion that inquiry requires “both sides” when one side is fundamentally uninteresting in the process of knowing things and thinking should be mocked and abhorred.

Matt Walsh was invited (paid, I assume) to speak at a local college by the Campus Republicans and the Men’s Club (some overlap there) 4 or 5 years ago and the Women’s Center responded by encouraging those considering attending to protest and speak out to instead simply come to an alternative event at the Women’s Center. It worked. Walsh was basically speaking in the echo chamber and the event passed unnoticed by most on the campus.

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:06:53pm

re: #27 The Ghost of a Flea

There’s an important theorem in group theory whose proof requires over 200 pages of difficult mathematics. Knowledge like that is simply not amenable to debate, and much present day science and technology falls into that category of being too deep to debate (before a lay audience). Debates and dialogues have their uses within the community (Bohr-Einstein being a famous example in physics), precisely because a good faith clash of ideas can be expected.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:13:29pm

just lost the satellite tv signal…

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Captain Ron  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:13:49pm
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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:14:38pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

ok, here we go…

We had a bunch of little spinners (F0’s and F1’s) just north of us last night, and we were at the very southern end the squall line. Good luck!

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Thanos  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:15:46pm

The latest PtM video was filmed in Alaska & Columbia, I recognize many of the Northern locations.

Portugal. The Man - Dummy [Official Video]

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:16:19pm

re: #38 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dang. Be careful.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:16:25pm

re: #39 Captain Ron

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:19:52pm
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No Malarkey!  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:21:55pm

re: #26 steve_davis

in the early days of the theory of natural selection, not only did scientists debate creationists, but clergymen occasionally debated creationists at well. And natural selection fluorished. Maybe the problem isn’t debating fascists or creationists. Maybe the problem is that most people suck at argumentation. Let a scientist with the mind of a contract law professor take on a creationist and creationism would be obliterated.

Back then, almost everyone was a creationist, and it was evolution that needed a forum to get the idea out there and to lend it legitimacy.

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No Malarkey!  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:23:54pm

Very high wind in Frankfort now. We may lose power soon, as thousands across the state already have.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:24:29pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:28:22pm
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:30:56pm

re: #48 The Pie Overlord!

Mmm. They look delicious.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:32:20pm
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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:35:45pm

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:37:18pm

Who’s Pranking Sam Harris & Eric Weinstein about UFOs?

Meanwhile the Intellectual Dark Web continues to disappear farther up its own asshole.

It’s almost like when people merge their egos with a concept—any concept, including skepticism itself—the end result is all egotism, no concept.

But congrats to Nu Atheism pundits for maintaining their high seeding on organizations that immediately descended into the kind of quackery they imagined themselves incapable of. Who could have ever thought the “we’re better than you, also let’s bomb Muslims and do torture” people could turn out to be insufferable, self-fellating cranks?

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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:37:56pm
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Belafon  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:39:28pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:42:58pm

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

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Alt-Right Troll Ethan Schmidt-Crockett Sentenced For Harassing Mesa Wig Store
Sixty day suspended sentence and three years probation. Not enough.

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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:43:20pm
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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:46:47pm

re: #54 Belafon

White nationalist attempt to use us to make their numbers look bigger, but I think we can all see that white nationalists are the problem rather than white people in general.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:49:18pm

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

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Calling this chucklefuck a “troll” really undersells him. He’s dangerous. He’s threatened violence. That’s not a troll.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:49:42pm

re: #52 The Ghost of a Flea

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Meanwhile the Intellectual Dark Web continues to disappear farther up its own asshole.

It’s almost like when people merge their egos with a concept—any concept, including skepticism itself—the end result is all egotism, no concept.

But congrats to Nu Atheism for maintaining their high seeding on organizations that immediately descended into the kind of quackery they imagined themselves incapable of. Who could have ever thought the “we’re better than you, also let’s bomb Muslims and do torture” people could turn out to be insufferable, self-fellating cranks?

The narcissistic pseudointellectual dark web.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:52:05pm

re: #39 Captain Ron

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Does the GOP think running around yelling “woke”, “CRT”, etc. will play nationally? I understand they no longer focus on the general, but try to back door victories through the EC, but still.

If DeSantis wins the nom, does he really believe his book banning, indoctrination, censorship platform is a winner? Again, there will be states will that will play well—but swing states? No fucking way.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:53:32pm

re: #59 Crush White Nationalism

I don’t call it narcissism any more because that blurs the line between a clinical condition and yet another circle of jerk of dudes who convinced themselves they’re special.

Hubris. Ofermod.

I used to describe things as “narcissistic” but now the internet’s flooded with diagnostic and therapy language used badly…and maliciously…and I’m pointedly not trying to contribute to that because, well, I’m fucking mentally ill and it’s a torment and these people seem to be (1) entirely functional, (2) perfectly comfortable in their bullshit, which makes them sane…and pieces of shit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:54:52pm

The crypto grift continues to unravel.

The folks handling the ongoing FTX bankruptcy admitted Thursday it is still on the hook for around $9 billion in customer funds that it simply cannot locate under the morass of financials left over from the exchange’s collapse.

In a presentation titled Preliminary Analysis of Shortfalls at ftx.com, the company said it has finally inventoried all the wallets associated with ftx.com where it said there is a “massive shortfall” since it has only been able to identify just under $2.2 billion in customer assets, but of that only $694 million is considered actual liquid currencies. Compare that to the $11.2 billion in outstanding funds that were locked to customer accounts, and you’re left with around $9 billion still lost to the machinations of FTX’s former bosses.

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:57:35pm

Anyone else run across MAGAts and other morons who think Benjamin Franklin served as President of the United States? This seems to have become a thing in recent years. There is even a conspiracy theory that Franklin really was President and has simply been erased from history by nefarious liberals, for Cthulhu knows what reason. One MAGAt I met in person insisted that his grade school history texts had mentioned Franklin as POTUS but it was gone from newer editions. He failed to explain how these nefarious libs were able to alter Franklin’s rather large biography in my 1962 World Book Encyclopedia, which has been in my possession since shortly after it was printed.

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dharmamark  Mar 3, 2023 • 1:57:43pm

We’re off to an album release house show for our favorite local Americana artist.

Should be a great show.

YouTube

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The Ghost of a Flea  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:01:57pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:03:15pm
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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:05:20pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Anyone else run across MAGAts and other morons who think Benjamin Franklin served as President of the United States? This seems to have become a thing in recent years. There is even a conspiracy theory that Franklin really was President and has simply been erased from history by nefarious liberals, for Cthulhu knows what reason. One MAGAt I met in person insisted that his grade school history texts had mentioned Franklin as POTUS but it was gone from newer editions. He failed to explain how these nefarious libs were able to alter Franklin’s rather large biography in my 1962 World Book Encyclopedia, which has been in my possession since shortly after it was printed.

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Hell, all they had to do was listen to the Firesign Theater’s Everything You Know Is Wrong” to know that:

“…Benjamin Franklin, the only President of the United States, who was *NEVER* President of the United States.”

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Mattand  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:05:56pm

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Anyone else run across MAGAts and other morons who think Benjamin Franklin served as President of the United States? This seems to have become a thing in recent years. There is even a conspiracy theory that Franklin really was President and has simply been erased from history by nefarious liberals, for Cthulhu knows what reason. One MAGAt I met in person insisted that his grade school history texts had mentioned Franklin as POTUS but it was gone from newer editions. He failed to explain how these nefarious libs were able to alter Franklin’s rather large biography in my 1962 World Book Encyclopedia, which has been in my possession since shortly after it was printed.

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I basically live across the river from Ben Franklin Ground Zero and this is literally the first time I’ve ever heard of that one.

Also: that photo is the big ass statue of Ben at the Franklin Institute. It’s just as impressive in real life as it is in the photo.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:05:58pm

re: #58 Mike Lamb

Calling this chucklefuck a “troll” really undersells him. He’s dangerous. He’s threatened violence. That’s not a troll.

He got like a “no sentence” sentence. I would have preferred hanged, drawn & quartered. I am not usually that bloodthirsty but shits like him deserve it.

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Crush White Nationalism  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:07:16pm

re: #65 The Ghost of a Flea

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:08:27pm

re: #68 Mattand

This is the first time I too have heard that Ben was POTUS. Having worked on the University of Penn campus they never mentioned that in any biography of Ben Franklin.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:10:45pm

I want AI & VR to get the point where I can figuratively reach through the phone and smack an idiot.

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:11:26pm

re: #69 The Pie Overlord!

He got like a “no sentence” sentence. I would have preferred hanged, drawn & quartered. I am not usually that bloodthirsty but shits like him deserve it.

Good Shabbas to you!

Nice pound cakes BTW.

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William Lewis  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:12:43pm

re: #69 The Pie Overlord!

He got like a “no sentence” sentence. I would have preferred hanged, drawn & quartered. I am not usually that bloodthirsty but shits like him deserve it.

A baseball bat and the outside of a knee joint. ‘Nuff said.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:19:23pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:19:35pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:21:29pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Does every Mastodon instance have its own cookies? Because I keep having to unblock cookies from Mastodon embeds, and they are from a variety of sites I guess are Mastodon instances but I am only guessing.

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gocart mozart  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:22:22pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:22:51pm

re: #77 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Does every Mastodon instance have its own cookies? Because I keep having to unblock cookies from Mastodon embeds, and they are from a variety of sites I guess are Mastodon instances but I am only guessing.

Yes, they’re all on different domains so they would all have their own cookies. It’s pretty rare for them to have ads or trackers, though.

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teleskiguy  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:29:55pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:32:06pm

re: #78 gocart mozart

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Just a few minutes ago I was listening to my favorite film review podcast and the two English presenters out of nowhere brought up Sparks with one casually mentioning that his son was thinking of traveling to LA because Sparks will be performing with They Might Be Giants. I still haven’t clicked on a Sparks link because I feel sure that I’ll hate them. I hate TMBG.* But I’ll give it a go after a beer.

*ETA: one of my sons is a huge TMBG fan and so I have heard a lot of their music on family car trips. I have tried, believe me.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:37:23pm
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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:39:17pm

re: #68 Mattand

I basically live across the river from Ben Franklin Ground Zero and this is literally the first time I’ve ever heard of that one.

Also: that photo is the big ass statue of Ben at the Franklin Institute. It’s just as impressive in real life as it is in the photo.

Google it, “Benjamin Franklin President.” It’s likely that people in the Philadelphia area would have a much more than usual awareness of the facts about Franklin and would not be susceptible to the misconceptions. It’s something like Texas being the biggest state. Plenty of Texas yokels still believe that. Nobody in Alaska does.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:41:19pm

I like that new Sparks video. It is very goofy.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:41:27pm

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Google it, “Benjamin Franklin President.” It’s likely that people in the Philadelphia area would have a much more than usual awareness of the facts about Franklin and would not be susceptible to the misconceptions. It’s something like Texas being the biggest state. Plenty of Texas yokels still believe that. Nobody in Alaska does.

People in Texas believe that Texas is the greatest place to live…

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:46:38pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I like that new Sparks video. It is very goofy.

Ok, your post was the fillip I needed. Wow, that was something.Not what I expected. I loved the shadow play. [runs off looking for the documentary from a year or two ago].

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:50:33pm

Colonel Paris Davis (born 13 May 1939) is a retired United States Army officer who has received the Medal of Honor on 3 March 2023 for his actions on 18 July 1965 during the Vietnam War. He was twice previously nominated for the Medal of Honor, but both times the paperwork relating to his nomination disappeared. Davis, then a captain with the 5th Special Forces Group, was instead awarded the Silver Star. He subsequently commanded the 10th Special Forces Group.

en.wikipedia.org

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:53:58pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

I like that new Sparks video. It is very goofy.

And Cate Blanchett was a hell-of-a-good sport.

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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 2:55:47pm
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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:01:00pm

Male pattern baldness is a genetic thing. It is passed on through the mother (me). Zedushka has no baldness in his family, I still have to buzz his hair even at his age.

Four of my sons blame me (for their baldness). Two of my sons praise their father (for their hair).

Go know!

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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:01:55pm

re: #80 gocart mozart

Yes indeed. Never forget how it feels to sing a song, belt it out, let them hear you.
Grab it, scream it, make it as it should be made.
Let go. Dance. Scream. Love. Live.
It was a good day. You made it.

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The Pie Overlord!  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:02:31pm

Did we just fucking lose power? (My computer & cable modem are on APC)

OK bye for now. See you after Shabbat!

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sagehen  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:02:58pm

re: #71 PhillyPretzel

This is the first time I too have heard that Ben was POTUS. Having worked on the University of Penn campus they never mentioned that in any biography of Ben Franklin.

BUT HE’S ON MONEY!!1!! He’s the $100 Dead President!!1!11

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:04:03pm

re: #94 sagehen

lol.

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:06:04pm

re: #45 No Malarkey!

Back then, almost everyone was a creationist, and it was evolution that needed a forum to get the idea out there and to lend it legitimacy.

Actually, nobody back then was a creationist in the modern sense of the word. It was rational for people to take the traditional view of creation as being at least roughly true, before geology and biology (at least!) uncovered irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

Present day creationists are blinkered zealots who have no interest in the truth, and (at least their leaders) are well aware that more compelling views are out there. It is that blinkered refusal to consider any alternative (and better) model that is absent from early creationist thinking.

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:09:16pm

re: #94 sagehen

BUT HE’S ON MONEY!!1!! He’s the $100 Dead President!!1!11

Do these dipshits also think Hamilton was president?

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:10:40pm

re: #97 EPR-radar

Probably. After all one does not get a B’way musical named after them unless one was POTUS. /

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:13:10pm

re: #96 EPR-radar

I tend to run on at length on the subject of creationist dipshits, but I do think it’s an almost perfect exemplar of the rot of US conservatism.

In other words, the GOP lost its soul when they opened up the welcome wagon for resentful racists, and the GOP lost its mind when creationism became mainstream in the party.

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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:15:57pm

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

Google it, “Benjamin Franklin President.” It’s likely that people in the Philadelphia area would have a much more than usual awareness of the facts about Franklin and would not be susceptible to the misconceptions. It’s something like Texas being the biggest state. Plenty of Texas yokels still believe that. Nobody in Alaska does.

re: #86 I Would Prefer Not To

People in Texas believe that Texas is the greatest place to live…

Shiplord, I would point out that Austin’s population greatly exceeds Alaska.

And I Would Prefer…, depending on where you are, on purely local level, Texas has some fantastic places to live, even if vast areas of the State are inhabited by ninnies and feebs, where little villages send their idiots to Austin every other year to make Legislation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:21:29pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:23:25pm

re: #100 austin_blue

But it’s a trip across a border, to Old Mexico or New Mexico, if you want to control your reproduction, if you were female

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:25:50pm
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austin_blue  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:26:39pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

But it’s a trip across a border, to Old Mexico or New Mexico, if you want to control your reproduction, if you were female

Hence the Village Idiots presently in Austin.

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retired cynic  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:26:59pm

Speaking of Presidents, and those (like Franklin and Hamilton, who are thought be some to have been President), I don’t know if these have been posted. I know Obama’s was, but I think Biden’s might be the best. And he did Franklin and Hamilton, just because people asked for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:34:31pm
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Cheechako  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:36:28pm

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie

If Alaska split into two states, Texas would be the third largest state.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:38:23pm
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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:38:45pm

been showing us all along to those who listen and watch. my failure is i stopped fingerpicking after i learned Greensleeves.
saw him philly folk festival round about 70 or so.

Doc Watson; Deep River Blues

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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:46:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:47:04pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:47:14pm

I’ve posted this before, and I have to do it again.

Sis Draper

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:52:25pm

re: #105 retired cynic

Speaking of Presidents, and those (like Franklin and Hamilton, who are thought be some to have been President), I don’t know if these have been posted. I know Obama’s was, but I think Biden’s might be the best. And he did Franklin and Hamilton, just because people asked for them.

his Hamilton:

and Franklin:

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Orange Impostor  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:52:47pm

re: #60 Mike Lamb

Does the GOP think running around yelling “woke”, “CRT”, etc. will play nationally? I understand they no longer focus on the general, but try to back door victories through the EC, but still.

If DeSantis wins the nom, does he really believe his book banning, indoctrination, censorship platform is a winner? Again, there will be states will that will play well—but swing states? No fucking way.

All you have to do is remember that the GOP and those who support them yell “woke” only because they know they can’t say “n****r” in public without public castigation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:52:49pm

lol

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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:53:13pm

Most folks never heard of him, but they heard his music.

Townes Van Zandt - Pancho and Lefty. Heartworn Highways

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EPR-radar  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:53:29pm

re: #107 Cheechako

If Alaska split into two states, Texas would be the third largest state.

Only if the split is sufficiently even (I’m not a mathematician, but I do try to think like one).

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wrenchwench  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:57:21pm

re: #116 nines09

Most folks never heard of him, but they heard his music.

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I have an album of Tribute to Townes. Guy Clark is on it.

To Live Is To Fly

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Cheechako  Mar 3, 2023 • 3:58:11pm

re: #117 EPR-radar

Only if the split is sufficiently even (I’m not a mathematician, but I do try to think like one).

I’m sure we could “Gerrymander” the correct outcome.

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nines09  Mar 3, 2023 • 4:03:50pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Musicians knew him. Those that worked the circuit. Many circuits. Booked you, roomed you, and fed you along with pay. There were so many more places to play, people went out and looked and listened. There still is that, but I’m afraid I’m too old to spend time and travel as I once did.
In the 70’s I went so many places I forgot half. 4 hours a night and a cheeseburger.
Pint of 20/20 and maybe a girl who


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