Some More News: The Horrifying Results of Defunding the Police?

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Hi. In today’s episode, we look at the false narrative surrounding police “defunding” and crime, and investigate what cops have really been up to since the summer of 2020.

Executive Producer - Katy Stoll
Hosted by Cody Johnston
Directed by Will Gordh
Written and Produced by Jonathan Harris
Edited by Gregg Meller
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
04:57 - Did We Actually Defund The Police?
14:22 - Did Cops Quit In Droves?
16:21 - What Reforms Have Been Enacted?
23:23 - Googling What Cops Have Really Been Up To
26:27 - Cops Are Still Often Aligned With White Supremacist Groups
28:09 - Police Are Still Killing People A Whole Lot
32:10 - Cops Are Desperate To Avoid Scrutiny
36:11 - Police Reacted To Criticism By Throwing A Hissy Fit
42:31 - Cop City And The Militarization Of Police
49:35 - Perhaps Defunding The Police… Works And Is Popular?

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221 comments
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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:15:40am

Meatball continues to double-down on his pro-slavery educational stance:

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:16:37am
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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:17:11am

In Last Night’s edition of SmackDown…held at the Michigan Republican Party meeting…

WZZM-TV Channel 13 (the ABC affiliate in Grand Rapids) reports that documents obtaining through a Freedom of Information request offer details on a violent conflict that occurred during a recent Michigan GOP meeting in the Doherty Hotel in Clare. And the Republicans involved in that incident have very different versions of what occurred.

WZZM 13’s Steven Bohner, in an article published on August 1, reports, “Mark DeYoung, Allegan County Commissioner for District 2, alleges that he was assaulted by James Chapman, a Michigan GOP delegate. During an interview directly following the incident, DeYoung told investigators from the Clare Police Department that he was attending a closed-door meeting of the executive committee of the Michigan GOP just prior to the assault.”

DeYoung, according to Bohner, alleged to police that Chapman kicked him in the crotch when he went to answer a door.

“Chapman was also interviewed by police directly following the incident, but his story differed from DeYoung’s account,” Bohner reports. “Chapman told investigators that no fight occurred in the hotel, but later backtracked from that statement. Chapman’s account begins with him describing that he was up against the door outside of the meeting, trying to listen in. He said that a man came up to the door and accused him of ‘f*****g with the door.’”

Bohner adds, “Chapman then told police that the man threatened to ‘kick his ass,’ and he replied by telling the man to ‘come outside and do it.’ Chapman claims that the man then came outside and attempted to fight him.”

alternet.org

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:17:34am
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Vicious Babushka  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:18:43am

Some people have way too much time on their hands and air in their belly.

Mastodon

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Dave In Austin  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:20:17am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:24:10am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Meatball continues to double-down on his pro-slavery educational stance:

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I saw my son’s class schedule, and to my pleasant surprise, he is taking a course in African-American history in high school here in deep red Kentucky. I am hoping they won’t be taught that the slaves were happy serving their kindly masters who taught them useful skills like in Florida.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:24:25am
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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:26:09am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:27:25am

Jeffrey Clark has other problems besides being an unindicted co-conspirator.

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:27:50am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:28:00am

re: #3 Joe Bacon ✅

But did anyone get put through a table?

/

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Backwoods Sleuth  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:29:48am

Mastodon

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:30:27am

Person Tucker fans were told was “clearly a law enforcement officer” indicted for participating in J6 insurrection.

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:31:30am

re: #12 Eclectic Cyborg

But did anyone get put through a table?

/

I was just thinking that, unlike in the movies, not all of a person thrown through a window necessarily makes it through that window. And, unlike movies, tables are generally more sturdy than the people colliding with them.

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:36:27am

Speaking of people getting thrown through tables….

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:39:52am

See, Frum is playing this like hyperbole but…yes, American reactionaries propose that all their violence is self-defense and thus cannot be crime. it is literally a thing they have encoded into law when given the opportunity, it’s the basis of how cops get to shoot and choke and beat people.

Back when we were making up reasons for the Iraq War, he was doing much the same.

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:41:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:41:40am

re: #17 The Ghost of a Flea

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See, Frum is playing this like hyperbole but…yes, American reactionaries propose that all their violence is self-defense and thus cannot be crime.

Back when we were making up reasons for the Iraq War, he was doing much the same.

They point is, everyone is clear what DJT and his accomplices did, now the arguments are based on whether their deeds should be legally actionable.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:42:14am

You knew what he was all along
You worked for him. Did what he told you.
You enabled his administration.
You though it would springboard you next

Ps. You’ll never be president
And this won’t be the first line of your obit.
Maybe the third

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:43:15am

They have no evidence, and the judge isn’t going to let them present baseless speculation to the jury. The only thing I can think they could argue is that at the time Trump thought the “independent legislature theory” was legitimate so they sincerely believed that changes to voting requirements made by courts and election commissions without legislative action were illegal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:43:42am

re: #13 Backwoods Sleuth

DJT, who never led in a single high-quality 2020 election poll, started claiming that it was all rigged about a year before anyone voted and yet somehow there’s still some debate about whether he knowingly lied or actually believed that there was widespread fraud.

He claimed that he actually won the popular vote in 2016, something for which a commission appointed by him could find no evidence.

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Thanos  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:43:42am

re: #14 No Malarkey!

Person Tucker fans were told was “clearly a law enforcement officer” indicted for participating in J6 insurrection.

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Maybe he can share a cell with the Shaman.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:45:09am

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:45:44am

re: #23 Thanos

Maybe he can share a cell with the Shaman.

The Shaman is out and on the grifter circuit proclaiming his innocence.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:45:53am

re: #23 Thanos

Maybe he can share a cell with the Shaman.

Unfortunately, the Shaman is already out.

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:46:13am

Is Little Marco winking at Seth Rich nutters?

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:46:18am

Yeah totally qualified to be prez.

Ps passionate sincerity is not a defense

Oh, and there’s dox, memos, notes and witnesses

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Captain Ron  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:46:48am
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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:47:02am

re: #8 Backwoods Sleuth

These people aren’t ignorant or mistaken about the First Amendment, they’re deliberately lying about it.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:48:12am
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Florida Panhandler  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:48:31am

re: #20 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

You knew what he was all along
You worked for him. Did what he told you.
You enabled his administration.
You though it would springboard you next

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Ps. You’ll never be president
And this won’t be the first line of your obit.
Maybe the third

The first line in Pence’s Obit could be “…Pence, VP under President Trump, who later organized a mob to kill him.”

Wild.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:49:17am

re: #18 ckkatz

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It took me a hot minute to get that one.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:49:25am

re: #27 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Is Little Marco winking at Seth Rich nutters?

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The RNC did a great job circulating their talking points memo to all TFG Boot Lickers.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:50:18am

re: #29 Captain Ron


SHOOT IT STRAIGHT INTO MY VEINS!!

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:50:20am

re: #364 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

He sought out less and less reliable people that would tell him what he wanted to hear as it all fell apart rather than engage with reality. Is that avoidance of reality insanity?

Imo not exactly
I don’t think he sought the less reliable and more toady
He got desperate for anyone who would work for him

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:51:24am

re: #27 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Because the Democrats didn’t attempt a fake elector scheme, you PA bitch.

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darthstar  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:52:24am

re: #21 No Malarkey!

They have no evidence, and the judge isn’t going to let them present baseless speculation to the jury. The only thing I can think they could argue is that at the time Trump thought the “independent legislature theory” was legitimate so they sincerely believed that changes to voting requirements made by courts and election commissions without legislative action were illegal.

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If they try to relitigate 2020 they will lose the jury in a heartbeat.

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:52:52am

re: #8 Backwoods Sleuth

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Hugh Hewitt chimes in.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:55:29am

re: #27 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Is Little Marco winking at Seth Rich nutters?

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:55:43am

re: #39 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:56:22am

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:57:17am

re: #39 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hugh Hewitt chimes in.

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Hugh. The smug toilet.

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Dr Lizardo  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:57:52am

re: #42 Joe Bacon ✅

I’m so Indicted - Trump Parody song

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:57:58am

“Trump will appear in court on Thursday to enter yet another “not guilty” plea”

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 10:59:58am

re: #39 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hugh Hewitt chimes in.

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If Hugh thinks the judge is going to let Trump turn his trial into a circus, he should think again.

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Teukka  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:02:32am
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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:07:13am

re: #25 No Malarkey!

The Shaman is out and on the grifter circuit proclaiming his innocence.

Give it time…

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The GOP is a Terrorist Organization  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:07:29am

re: #41 ckkatz

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Hewitt’s new favorite word seems to be “Javert.” He’s used it several times today already.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:08:28am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

These people aren’t ignorant or mistaken about the First Amendment, they’re deliberately lying about it.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:09:45am

re: #33 Nerdy Fish

It took me a hot minute to get that one.

I hate it when dsl lags. //

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:11:07am

re: #38 darthstar

If they try to relitigate 2020 they will lose the jury in a heartbeat.

Smith: let em. And ill just say they lost 60+ of those cases

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Vicious Babushka  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:11:52am

re: #49 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hewitt’s new favorite word seems to be “Javert.” He’s used it several times today already.

That reminds me of what a horrible singer Russell Crowe is.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:12:38am

re: #39 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hugh Hewitt chimes in.

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None of which has anything to do with counting or certifying the vote

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:12:57am

re: #49 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hewitt’s new favorite word seems to be “Javert.” He’s used it several times today already.

Yes, you make a good point.

I have seen two parts to this.

First, of course, is the ‘evil’ Inspector Javert, the antagonist in Victor Hugo’s Les Miserables.

And, second, there was some sort of kerfuffle with the use of ‘Javert’ on Twitter X. Grr, I don’t remember what it was exactly. But I seem to recall that it had to do with some misuse of the name and the assumption that therefore the post was AI generated. Perhaps some other lizard can fill in the story.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:13:11am

re: #49 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hewitt’s new favorite word seems to be “Javert.” He’s used it several times today already.

Javert, of course, the character from Les Miserables who realizes that his misguided pursuit of so-called “justice” has killed people and made him no better than his victims, and kills himself in dramatic fashion. Hewitt appears to be convinced that Jack Smith is perpetually barking up the wrong tree, and will live to regret his attempts to set his harpoon into the great Moby-Dick.

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Mike Lamb  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:13:43am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Meatball continues to double-down on his pro-slavery educational stance:

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The fact that he continues to invest time defending Flori-duh’s approach shows the criticisms are landing.

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Captain Ron  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:15:59am
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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:16:36am

re: #56 Nerdy Fish

Hah! 14 seconds. :)

(eta) Definitely GMTA

And yes, Javert is used to mean “One who remorselessly pursues a perceived wrongdoer”.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:16:58am

re: #58 Captain Ron

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This is extremely good news for Wisconsin.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:17:14am

re: #57 Mike Lamb

The fact that he continues to invest time defending Flori-duh’s approach shows the criticisms are landing.

And that he’s clueless

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Mike Lamb  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:17:28am

re: #39 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hugh Hewitt chimes in.

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Good luck with that, dickheads.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:17:30am

re: #47 Teukka

Showing off a $6000 bottle of Romanée-Conti. Classless schmucks.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:17:35am

re: #59 ckkatz

Hah! 14 seconds. :)

And yes, Javert is used to mean “One who remorselessly pursues a perceived wrongdoer”.

Because Trump is just like a man stealing bread so that his family won’t starve.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:19:02am

My cup runneth over.

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Vicious Babushka  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:19:38am

MOAR GOP REVERSESPEAK: He cries himself to sleep every night.

Mastodon

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:19:42am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:22:55am

While I wish he was more vocal on some things, I am totally down with Bidens approach to NOT drawing attention to himself when not necessary.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:25:18am
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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:25:32am

re: #67 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:25:38am

re: #65 No Malarkey!

My cup runneth over.

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I’m not able to see threads, is there any more information? I would assume these are related to the as-yet-unindicted co-conspirators.

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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:26:05am

Rudy Giuliani in Vile New Audio Transcripts: ‘Jewish Men Have Small Cocks’

rollingstone.com

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:26:17am

re: #69 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Also her

Let’s say your boss got fired from his job, but instead of just leaving right away, he decided that in order to stay in the job he was fired from, that he would send a bunch of rabid crazies to attack the building, beat up the security guards, build a gallows to hang his Secretary, break in, spread poop on the walls & hunt for your coworkers, while simultaneously sending teams of fake “board members” saying they had the “actual proof” that he wasn’t in fact fired at all.

And then, once he did finally leave, he took with him, showed off to some friends and refused to return, the company’s most highly guarded financial information, building security plans, and documents which could get you & everyone you loved killed.

Would you spend the next three years following that guy around the country and sending him money to fly in his private jet and pay his legal bills while praying that it’ll all be enough to get him back in the job he once tried to steal?

You wouldn’t.
Unless you were a Fucking idiot.

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darthstar  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:26:20am

re: #52 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Smith: let em. And ill just say they lost 60+ of those cases

Objection: relevance.
Sustained.
Objection: relevance.
Sustained.
Objection: relevance.
Sustained.
Objection: relevance.
Sustained.
Objection: relevance.
Sustained.
Objection: relevance.
Sustained.

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dat_said  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:26:38am

re: #58 Captain Ron

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And Janet Protasiewicz was sworn into the WI Supreme Court yesterday. Her solid win in the special election is going to have a big impact.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:28:15am

re: #71 Nerdy Fish

I’m not able to see threads, is there any more information? I would assume these are related to the as-yet-unindicted co-conspirators.

No, alas. It was about what was happening yesterday in the runup to Trump’s indictment.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:28:31am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Rudy Giuliani in Vile New Audio Transcripts: ‘Jewish Men Have Small Cocks’

rollingstone.com

I didn’t understand the fawning over this man after 9/11 back in late 2001 and I still don’t get it now. I mean yeah, he did do some stuff right during the aftermath, but nothing I feel deserved the kind of hero worship he got.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:29:29am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Rudy Giuliani in Vile New Audio Transcripts: ‘Jewish Men Have Small Cocks’

rollingstone.com

Rudy sold his cock to Satan.

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:29:38am

re: #73 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:31:14am

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

I didn’t understand the fawning over this man after 9/11 back in late 2001 and I still don’t get it now. I mean yeah, he did do some stuff right during the aftermath, but nothing I feel deserved the kind of hero worship he got.

He’s also the genius that thought he could skip the first few primaries, win Florida, and cruise to the nomination. An arrogant, overrated turd of a man.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:32:12am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Rudy Giuliani in Vile New Audio Transcripts: ‘Jewish Men Have Small Cocks’

rollingstone.com

I repeat again: Rudolph, just die already.

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:35:58am

re: #6 Dave In Austin

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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:38:20am

The huge news from the Trump indictment is confirmation that they were planning to take over the government by force and use the military to murder any protesters - but the mainstream media are almost totally ignoring this terrifying fact.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:38:21am
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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:39:09am

re: #84 No Malarkey!

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DAMN. I was REALLY hoping it was Bannon. Epshteyn is someone I know little about, but from what little I do know, it makes sense.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:39:57am

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Rudy Giuliani in Vile New Audio Transcripts: ‘Jewish Men Have Small Cocks’

rollingstone.com

I see it and now I got to pick my jaw up off the floor!

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Semper Fi  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:41:36am

re: #82 ckkatz

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I’m guessing Justin T will find single life tolerable.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:43:36am

re: #85 Nerdy Fish

DAMN. I was REALLY hoping it was Bannon. Epshteyn is someone I know little about, but from what little I do know, it makes sense.

en.wikipedia.org

Epshteyn worked with Giuliani in December 2020 to persuade Republican officials in seven states to prepare certificates of ascertainment for slates of “alternate electors” loyal to Trump, which would be presented to Pence for certification. Epshteyn and others asserted this was a contingency similar to the 1960 presidential election, in which two slates of electors were prepared pending results of a late recount of ballots in Hawaii. Both parties agreed to that recount, which ultimately resulted in John F. Kennedy winning the state, though the outcome of the election did not hinge on the Hawaii results. By contrast, in the case of the 2020 election, the stated need for slates of alternate electors in multiple states was predicated on persistent unproven claims of nationwide election fraud. Epshteyn asserted the slates of alternate electors were not fraudulent and “it is not against the law, it is according to the law.”

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:43:38am

re: #83 Charles Johnson

The huge news from the Trump indictment is confirmation that they were planning to take over the government by force and use the military to murder any protesters - but the mainstream media are almost totally ignoring this terrifying fact.

The media is very good at ignoring terrifying facts, like the fact that the Republican party is a fucking menace.

It is literally the only job of the US political media to do this.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:44:03am

Rudy proves what Dad always said, “When the little head gets hard, the big head always gets soft and mushy”…

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Shiplord Kirel: Fan of Big Bird, Bert, and Ernie  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:44:19am

re: #1 Dr. Matt

Meatball continues to double-down on his pro-slavery educational stance:

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People acquired skills living free in Africa too.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:48:24am

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:48:47am
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:50:25am

re: #93 ckkatz

I never thought I’d see a publication editorialize worse than the Wall Street Journal, but here we are.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:51:02am

I used to say that NRO stood for National Racists Online.

Now it stands for Nazi Reactionaries Online.

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wrenchwench  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:54:59am

re: #93 ckkatz

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As someone who grew up seeing the National Review as a racist rag, Conservatism is Trumpism. Wealthy people saw what they thought was an opportunity, and ended up showing everybody that conservatism has seen racism as one of their sharpest tools to eviscerate working people. Now they need stitches.

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Jay C  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:55:03am

re: #88 No Malarkey!

en.wikipedia.org

And the other big difference from the Hawaii case in 1960 is that, IIRC, the slate of Kennedy electors was submitted to Congress with the note that an official recount had shown that JFK had actually won the state*. Official recounts/audits of the 2020 results showed - uniformly - that Joe Biden had won the “questionable” states**, and Trump had lost. Not comparable.

* only by 300 (?) votes, but there we go.
** not questionable IMO, except via sick GOP lying.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:56:06am

re: #3 Joe Bacon ✅

The MI GOP is near bankrupt. Let em fight! 😁😂

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Captain Ron  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:56:15am

Politico reports: Michigan’s Republican party is broke. Minnesota’s was, until recently, down to $53.81 in the bank. And in Colorado, the GOP is facing eviction from its office this month because it can’t make rent. Around the nation, state Republican party apparatuses — once bastions of competency that helped produce statehouse takeovers — have become shells of their former machines

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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:57:19am

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:57:30am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They point is, everyone is clear what DJT and his accomplices did, now the arguments are based on whether their deeds should be legally actionable.

Great.

I’m just never going to stop point out that the previous generation of liars and demagogues are now posing as analysts, refusing to acknowledge that they set up the modern infrastructure, the casuistry, that Trump is now using. Whenever they go through a bit of mummery about how stupid or shameless Trumpian jurisprudence, or rhetoric, is…well, is that actually new?

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gocart mozart  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:57:37am
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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:57:50am

I believe that he’s an American citizen. He is Professor of Strategic Studies at the University of St Andrews, Scotland. He has been posting a lot recently related to the Russo-Ukraine War.

Phillips P. OBrien @PhillipsPOBrien 2:00 AM * Aug 2, 2023
Im unconvinced civil disturbance wld have ended the coup. The Trump plan was to stoke division, and use riots to use heavy force to crack down and consolidate power. He would have loved a left-wing uprising. At that case, it really would have come down to the armed forces/police

Phillips P. OBrien @PhillipsPOBrien 2:00 AM * Aug 2, 2023
He doesnt need 50% of the country to have the coup. He needs a solid base of support (which he still has), to have implemented a sham certification of his electors (which Pence could have done) and then armed power to crush dissent.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:58:16am

I hate to break it to Rudy G…but I never needed a pee-pee pump…

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lawhawk  Aug 2, 2023 • 11:58:27am

re: #93 ckkatz

Oh, it’s so much worse than that given that the so-called legal rationale they put forth that this indictment was wrong is based on the wrong statute and wrong caselaw.

In other words, they’ve taken the Trump approach to legal reasoning. Apply the wrong law and wrong case to argue that Trump shouldn’t be indicted.

They’re a clownshow.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:00:43pm

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:01:28pm

re: #106 Joe Bacon ✅

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There are people stupid enough to volunteer…😵‍💫

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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:01:32pm

“I love the poorly educated”
~TFG

FBI Arrests Jan. 6 Rioter Who Livestreamed Himself at the Capitol: Dustin Ray Williams was seen wearing a T-shirt with his company name and number on it on the day of the riot

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:01:33pm

re: #93 ckkatz

More accurately, political conservatism always was Trumpism — it is inherently so.

The only thing that varies over time is the level of obfuscation used to try to hide this truth.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:03:16pm

re: #99 Captain Ron

All the MAGAts are donating to Trump’s legal defense fund. 😂

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Semper Fi  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:04:04pm

re: #106 Joe Bacon ✅

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Maybe Trumps cell bars could be painted gold and how about placing the gold plated toilet in his cell to make it more homey for him.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:04:25pm

Just added to Rod Serling’s Night Gallery.

“Tonight’s Exhibit is a portrait of pathetic paranoia pulsating with perpetual pettiness…”

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Dave In Austin  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:05:17pm

re: #110 GlutenFreeJesus

All the MAGAts are donating to Trump’s legal defense fund. 😂

Always remind them it’s Bidenomics that gave them the cash to throw away.

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:05:19pm

re: #105 lawhawk

Oh, it’s so much worse than that given that the so-called legal rationale they put forth that this indictment was wrong is based on the wrong statute and wrong caselaw.

In other words, they’ve taken the Trump approach to legal reasoning. Apply the wrong law and wrong case to argue that Trump shouldn’t be indicted.

They’re a clownshow.

I took a look at that tire fire NRO editorial, and my opinion is that they refuse to accept that Trump’s conduct relating to Jan 6 was illegal because criminal dirty tricks like that is the GOP plan of record going forward for all future elections.

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Barefoot Grin  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:05:33pm

re: #49 The GOP is a Terrorist Organization

Hewitt’s new favorite word seems to be “Javert.” He’s used it several times today already.

I feel pretty certain that he’ll be an instructor on the Praeger civics courses released to Florida schools.

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:07:17pm

re: #115 Barefoot Grin

I feel pretty certain that he’ll be an instructor on the Praeger civics courses released to Florida schools.

It would be worse for DeSantis to have Mein Kampf used as an instruction manual in FL schools. Barely.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:08:47pm

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darthstar  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:09:04pm

re: #82 ckkatz

Why would Trudeau want to hook up with either of those two skanky grifters?

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Dave In Austin  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:09:20pm

Elie chimes in. And you know why.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:09:45pm

re: #119 Dave In Austin

Elie chimes in. And you know why.

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What the… Why the… How… AAAAAAGH

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:10:16pm

re: #118 darthstar

Why would Trudeau want to hook up with either of those two skanky grifters?

He will be able to do much, much better.

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Teukka  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:10:34pm
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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:12:05pm

The previous Republican Administration manufactured a war that killed at minimum 200K people, and in the process disappeared about 3 trillion dollars and created a cascading sociopolitical crisis the rest of the world still copes with.

Yet somehow Donald Trump is presented as an anomaly, as something new and different, as though the language of revenge and sadism wasn’t already injected into our society, the resentment of the foreign wasn’t already seeded and watered, the determination that skepticism about use of force wasn’t deemed both radical extremism and childish unreasonableness that must be met with both contempt and a giant panopticist state-terror system.

Why isn’t this always fucking relevant?

Donald Trump is not a wizard, he is not a prodigy, he is not a unique snapping-off point in the history of American politics. If you’re not desperately trying to obfuscate decades of fucking around with the same nationalism and racism and bald deception, then the moment he got elected is the start of the Finding Out phase, a natural endpoint rather than an anomaly.

But if you’re part of the blob of institutions that posture as neutral but continually push for the reproduction of the status quo—a brass bull that requires the kind of virgin sacrifices that conservatives endorse faster—then you have no incentive to acknowledge that fascism is the coda to the world-order you’ve been pushing. Hence our current disappointing media landscape: it’s finally safe to condemn Donald Trump, but the brass bull still hungers and thus post-Trumpian conservatism must be a return to norms, with orderly and meritocratic assignment of who gets throw into Moloch.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:12:10pm

re: #122 Teukka

I hope everything works out okay.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:12:11pm

re: #122 Teukka

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Antifa is at it again!

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:12:31pm

re: #99 Captain Ron

If they didn’t donate the money to Trump’s legal expenses, then the only explanation is that they stole it.

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wrenchwench  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:14:42pm

Mastodon

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:15:37pm

One of QAnon’s core fantasies is the extrajudicial incarceration and execution of Americans in Guantanomo Bay.

WHERE ON EARTH COULD THEY HAVE COME UP WITH THAT FROM

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:15:51pm

re: #119 Dave In Austin

Elie chimes in. And you know why.

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I’m going to assume the “bind” it puts Biden in is whether he should comment on it now or wait until next year if orange trash is the nominee.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:16:55pm

re: #119 Dave In Austin

Elie chimes in. And you know why.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:17:00pm

re: #122 Teukka

I won’t be surprised when a pissed off MAGAT decides to make bomb threats every day to close Federal buildings. It’s what Shithead wants!

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wrenchwench  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:17:09pm

re: #129 Ace Rothstein

I’m going to assume the “bind” it puts Biden in is whether he should comment on it now or wait until next year if orange trash is the nominee.

Now, or wait until he stops laughing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:17:09pm

re: #99 Captain Ron

Politico reports: Michigan’s Republican party is broke. Minnesota’s was, until recently, down to $53.81 in the bank. And in Colorado, the GOP is facing eviction from its office this month because it can’t make rent. Around the nation, state Republican party apparatuses — once bastions of competency that helped produce statehouse takeovers — have become shells of their former machines

Fallout from hitching their wagon to Trump?

Or the natural outcome of the unending corruption that is the GOP?

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William Lewis  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:17:56pm

I have two deliveries expected today, two different courier companies competing to see which can give worse service. Well, not really. Not even UPS with the it’s propensity to do the dump and run on signature required shipments or drop kicking boxes up the stairs can match DHL’s ability to be 6 days late with a package and simply say “yeah, so what?” I so wish they’d been sent USPS but I wasn’t given a choice.

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Dangerman (sigh...only in America)  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:18:05pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:18:12pm

re: #119 Dave In Austin

Elie chimes in. And you know why.

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The goddamned Presstitutes want to get Biden to fall into the Nixon “Manson Guilty” Trap!

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:18:19pm

re: #132 wrenchwench

Now, or wait until he stops laughing.

This is what we need the girrrl meme for.

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:19:28pm

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

Fallout from hitching their wagon to Trump?

Or the natural outcome of the unending corruption that is the GOP?

Merely corrupt is what brings the bucks rolling in. They are bankrupt because the inmates have taken over the asylum, and the big money donors have closed their wallets.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:19:43pm

re: #136 Joe Bacon ✅

The goddamned Presstitutes want to get Biden to fall into the Nixon “Manson Guilty” Trap!

That’s a blast from the past!

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Jay C  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:19:58pm

re: #113 Dave In Austin

Always remind them it’s Bidenomics that gave them the cash to throw away.

Wouldn’t work: the RW lugenpresse which is their only (self-selected) source of news is likely to be barraging them 24/7/365 with the “message” that any economic benefits they, personally, might be seeing are completely in spite of, rather than because of Biden Admin policies.

Because, of course, as everybody knows, the only economic polices Democrats enact are to tax and regulate the hell out of honest, hard-working Real Americans so that they can throw welfare money at Those People to buy their votes….

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:20:08pm

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

Fallout from hitching their wagon to Trump?

Or the natural outcome of the unending corruption that is the GOP?

More likely, they’re spending money like water and just not getting any donations. Republicans are being milked to the bone by all the different grifts out there, and while I know they have their share of ultra-rich megadonors, out here in the farm country, the increased gas and food prices have taken their toll on discretionary spending - and political candidates who aren’t doing anything to provide actual relief NOW are at the top of the chopping block.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:21:35pm

re: #134 William Lewis

I have two deliveries expected today, two different courier companies competing to see which can give worse service. Well, not really. Not even UPS with the it’s propensity to do the dump and run on signature required shipments or drop kicking boxes up the stairs can match DHL’s ability to be 6 days late with a package and simply say “yeah, so what?” I so wish they’d been sent USPS but I wasn’t given a choice.

At work, we joke that DHL is short for “Drop it, Hide it, Lose it.”

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:21:54pm

re: #118 darthstar

Why would Trudeau want to hook up with either of those two skanky grifters?

Yup, there is that…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:22:41pm

re: #138 No Malarkey!

Merely corrupt is what brings the bucks rolling in. They are bankrupt because the inmates have taken over the asylum, and the big money donors have closed their wallets.

Yeah, but if they are also misreporting revenues and skimming off the top…

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Dave In Austin  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:22:47pm

Get it while it’s fresh out of the oven…..

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:24:48pm

re: #145 Dave In Austin

Yes Your Honor.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:27:00pm

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:27:02pm

The scourge of tranq.

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William Lewis  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:31:23pm

re: #142 Eclectic Cyborg

At work, we joke that DHL is short for “Drop it, Hide it, Lose it.”

Yeah, that sounds just about right unfortunately.

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nines09  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:31:30pm

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lawhawk  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:31:49pm

State GOP parties are facing a fiscal cliff as their financials are in the gutter.

Fuck them. They brought this on themselves by pitching ever more extreme positions and politicians pushed ever more insane policies that would deny people their rights and freedoms while claiming that those very policies were all about keeping people free.

The GOP is starting their death spiral. Faster. Please.

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lawhawk  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:35:15pm

US Capitol Hill shelter in place continues as of a few minutes ago.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:35:35pm

re: #151 lawhawk

State GOP parties are facing a fiscal cliff as their financials are in the gutter.

Fuck them. They brought this on themselves by pitching ever more extreme positions and politicians pushed ever more insane policies that would deny people their rights and freedoms while claiming that those very policies were all about keeping people free.

The GOP is starting their death spiral. Faster. Please.

But on the other hand those state GOP parties have been superseded by networks of right wing megachurches flush with cash.

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Vicious Babushka  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:38:34pm

re: #86 Joe Bacon ✅

I see it and now I got to pick my jaw up off the floor!

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Zedushka has used his at least 9 times!

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Captain Ron  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:39:45pm
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lawhawk  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:42:45pm

One of the mystery coconspirators may be Boris Epshteyn based on messages between him and fellow coconspirator Rudy.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:44:16pm

re: #155 Captain Ron

Given the Twitter puts blue checks to the top and boosts their circulation, won’t blue checks just still be all the assholes at the top of the tweet thread?

I have visions of the overnight sessions to randomize threading so that the blue checks are salted throughout the thread, to further perfect their camouflage.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:46:04pm

re: #153 Joe Bacon ✅

The GOP is starting their death spiral. Faster. Please.

But on the other hand those state GOP parties have been superseded by networks of right wing megachurches flush with cash.

Their next step.

Get religion, merge and repeal the Johnson amendment.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:46:42pm

re: #155 Captain Ron

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Spending $9 a month to get a blue check that you hide. MAGA Nazis really are fucking rubes.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:48:34pm

Also hilarious the blue checks are now not just paying to win social media, but also paying to consciously conceal that they’re paying for inauthentic engagement.

The fact that all of this would actually work better in there was never a badge, if you just under-the-table paid for boosting, is *chef’s kiss* perfect.

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:49:33pm

Frank Pasquale
@FrankPasquale@mastodon.social

“North Carolina urologist-turned-Republican congressman Greg Murphy, beaming in from a House Ways and Means markup seven blocks east, was lavishing praise on the miraculous ability of telemedicine to provide quality Hospital at Home™ treatment to his constituents in the Outer Banks (where two of its three actual hospitals have closed over the past decade), when his Zoom stream froze for 20 seconds. Somehow, nobody laughed.”
prospect.org

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:49:41pm

‘Clearly defined body count’: Florida and Ohio Republicans experienced 43 percent more COVID deaths than Dems

They gave their lives for The Party—straight out of Orwell…

alternet.org

No country in the world suffered, per capita, more COVID-19-related deaths then the United States. According to Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, COVID-19 has killed more than 6.8 million people worldwide; over 1.1 million of them were in the U.S.

The U.S., during the worst of the pandemic, didn’t lock down as hard as many other developed countries. Pandemic-related restrictions were tougher in Australia as well as parts of the European Union. Regardless, countless MAGA Republicans raged against COVID-19 restrictions, vaccines and protective face masks. Hating Dr. Anthony Fauci, a top White House medical advisor, became a MAGA pastime.

A Journal of American Medicine (JAMA) study released on July 24 examines COVID-19-related fatalities in two states that former President Donald Trump won in 2020: Florida and Ohio — and reports that “excess mortality was significantly higher for Republican voters than Democratic voters after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults, but not before.”

According to JAMA researchers Jacob Wallace, Paul Goldsmith-Pinkham and Jason L. Schwartz, “The differences in excess mortality by political party affiliation after COVID-19 vaccines were available to all adults suggest that differences in vaccination attitudes and reported uptake between Republican and Democratic voters may have been a factor in the severity and trajectory of the pandemic in the U.S….. There is evidence that Republican-leaning counties have had higher COVID-19 death rates than Democratic-leaning counties and similar evidence of an association between political party affiliation and attitudes regarding COVID-19 vaccination; further data on these rates may be useful.”

The researchers report that “between March 2020 and December 2021, excess death rates were 2.8 percentage points, 15 percent, higher for Republican voters compared with Democratic voters — 95 percent PI, 1.6-3.7 percentage points.”

“After April 1, 2021, when all adults were eligible for vaccines in Florida and Ohio, this gap widened from −0.9 percentage point (95% PI, −2.5 to 0.3 percentage points) between March 2020 and March 2021, to 7.7 percentage points (95 percent PI, 6.0-9.3 percentage points) in the adjusted analysis, or a 43 percent difference,” according to Wallace, Goldsmith-Pinkham and Jason L. Schwartz.

Journalist Charles P. Pierce discusses the JAMA study in an article published by Esquire on August 1 and describes it as “damning” proof of the damage that right-wing COVID denialism caused.

“Conservative political rhetoric and conservative political governance now have a clearly defined body count,” Pierce argues. “They talked so many people into ruining their health, and that was the most benign outcome, because they talked so many people into the grave.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:51:00pm

re: #162 Joe Bacon ✅

Natural selection, of a sort?

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lawhawk  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:51:16pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:53:54pm

Newly Revealed Text Messages Show GOP Officials At Ground Zero Of Election Conspiracy Outlined By Trump Indictment

talkingpointsmemo.com

Text messages obtained by Talking Points Memo — most which have not previously been made public until now — paint a picture of what was going on behind the scenes in the White House during the crucial period the special prosecutor has zeroed in on.

A sampling…

Starting at 7:18 a.m. ETof Nov. 13, Ward sent Meadows two files. While images contained in the texts could not be seen in the data Meadows provided to the committee, the file titles refer to “LD17,” a key district in Arizona where state-level Republican candidates had more support than Trump’s presidential ticket. Ward followed that up with another message indicating she saw that as a notable discrepancy.

“This is one example of a legislative district where the state candidates appear to have outperformed Trump,” Ward wrote.

The messages obtained by TPM do not include a reply from Meadows to Ward’s data.

A little over an hour later, at 8:40 a.m. ET, McDaniel wrote in with what seems to be an early iteration of the idea there were approximately 30,000 votes from people who were not qualified to cast them. McDaniels’ messages about the theory have not been previously reported.

“About to do a TV hit. Will call after. I have number of federal not voters in this election at 2300 with 27,000 registered,” McDaniel wrote. “We don’t know yet who votes on Election Day. We only have AB early vote data. We do not get Election Day data until vote is certified.”

Meadows answered a minute later and suggested he was discussing the matter with Trump.

“Ok. Talked to potus,” he wrote.

While McDaniel’s initial message from that day did not specify that she was talking about Arizona or the notion non-citizens had voted, her subsequent communications make clear these were the issues she was raising with Meadows. After Meadows said he spoke with Trump, McDaniel replied with two messages addressing the idea that “illegal” votes may have been cast.

“No way for us to run names and determine who is illegal,” McDaniel wrote before adding in her follow-up, “That would require GOVT info that we would not have.”

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:54:22pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

Natural selection, of a sort?

Robert Heinlein wrote

Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:55:21pm

re: #164 lawhawk

But they can, because “left wing” can simply expand to encompass anyone.

When your worldview is built on a long term cultural process of robbing words of specific meaning in favor of vibes that amount to “in group good, out group bad” this is entirely possible. And this isn’t just a conservative problem, it’s a running problem with modern society because we’ve trained people in general to think of concepts as identities.

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steve_davis  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:55:33pm

re: #109 EPR-radar

More accurately, political conservatism always was Trumpism — it is inherently so.

The only thing that varies over time is the level of obfuscation used to try to hide this truth.

This brings me back to my mini lecture on ideology that I post here occasionally. Modern liberalism is an ideology. Modern conservatism is not. Modern liberalism is a set of beliefs that guide an understanding of the structure of government and the economy, as well as the social welfare of the republic. Modern conservatism is actually radical agrarian populism. It wishes to tear government, the economy, and society up by the roots. The reason it is radical rather than reactionary is because there’s never been an actual time in American history when our economy, government, or society actually looked like what modern conservatives want us to “return” to. It is agrarian because it is founded in the mythical belief that dumbassed rednecks are the true Americans and that the cities are mostly overrun with effete queens and uppity, storeburning n*******. And it is populist in that it seeks to use dumbassed rednecks in large numbers to further its miserable ends.

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Dr. Matt  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:56:03pm

re: #152 lawhawk

US Capitol Hill shelter in place continues as of a few minutes ago.

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More regular tourists just peacefully sightseeing?

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lawhawk  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:57:02pm
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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 12:59:35pm

re: #170 lawhawk

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The indictment lays out in damning detail that while the conspirators initially intended for these false electors only to be used in case of a successful legal challenge in a state, the rapidly rising body count of dead cases led them to change their strategy without telling anybody.

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:00:54pm

re: #170 lawhawk

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I was distributing $100 bills I created in my basement and I was arrested. I wasn’t trying to commit a crime; it was done in good faith.

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Florida Panhandler  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:03:05pm

re: #172 sizzzzlerz

I was distributing $100 bills I created in my basement and I was arrested. I wasn’t trying to commit a crime; it was done in good faith.

Sounds like a plan. After all, you never know when the US Mint will simply run out of money and it is up to good, responsible citizens to ensure the healthy money supply.

This load of utter bilge logic brought to you by Trump, Fox News, and the rest of the miserable wretches we call a Republican Party.

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Thanos  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:04:30pm

New Mammoth WVH

Mammoth WVH - I’m Alright (Official Music Video)

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:04:32pm
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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:06:30pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:07:19pm

re: #176 No Malarkey!

Some MAGAt call in a false report?

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:07:40pm
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darthstar  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:07:50pm

re: #175 ckkatz

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May they experience the receiving end of such activities as they provoke.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:08:07pm

re: #28 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

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Yeah totally qualified to be prez.

Ps passionate sincerity is not a defense

Oh, and there’s dox, memos, notes and witnesses

GOP is in full “He’s not criminal, just incompetent!” mode now.

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ckkatz  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:08:13pm

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

Some MAGAt call in a false report?

It does sounds like a ‘Swatting’.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:08:33pm

re: #176 No Malarkey!

…they’ve been discussing possibility for two weeks with multiple agencies.

Gee, it’s almost like Special Counsel Smith has experience dealing with controversial figures, and knew to alert the powers-that-be in law enforcement quietly, so that they would have a plan in place if the grand jury returned the indictments he wanted.

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Thanos  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:09:11pm

Descartes y Kant, a band from Guadalajara

Descartes a Kant - After Destruction (Official Video)

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No Malarkey!  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:10:40pm

re: #180 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

GOP is in full “He’s not criminal, just incompetent!” mode now.

That is a helluva campaign slogan: “Trump 2024: He’s not criminal, just incompetent!”

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silverdolphin  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:10:42pm

Fitch blames pro-Trump Capitol riots for US credit downgrade

That and the debt ceiling shit. All due to the GOP, which loves to damage the US economy.

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Thanos  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:11:19pm

Stochastic terror - doesn’t have to be real.

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gocart mozart  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:13:46pm
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Lilah  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:14:41pm

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

Some MAGAt call in a false report?

I wondered if someone did it to see the response, you know, to find weaknesses in the response.

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Nerdy Fish  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:15:26pm

re: #187 gocart mozart

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For the seventeenth time today: The crime wasn’t in lying about the election results. The crime was in conspiring to change the election results because of the lies.

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wrenchwench  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:17:09pm

re: #183 Thanos

Descartes y Kant, a band from Guadalajara

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Video

Devo becomes Barbie Trek.

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goddamnedfrank  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:20:08pm

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Charles Johnson  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:23:38pm

Elon Musk now lets people who pay for blue checks HIDE THEIR BLUE CHECKS but they’re still obvious as hell. They’re the ones at the top of every thread posting incredibly racist comments or links to crypto scam sites.

Mixed in with ads for Tommy Chong’s CBD gummies.

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silverdolphin  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:24:00pm

Those false electors are not in trouble becuase they thought they were a back up plan. They knowingly signed fraudulent documents, ones stating they were legally the true electors, were doing this under the legal auspices of the Legislature and , in some cases, in the state capitols, all things they knew were false.

Fraud is a crime.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:24:17pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Well, at least I’m not the only one who noticed the incessant Tommy Chong ads.

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Shropshire Slasher  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:26:30pm

Some afternoon commuting music.

Genesis Owusu - Leaving The Light (Official Music Video)

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:27:42pm

re: #175 ckkatz

You know what would end (or at least sharply curtail) Trump’s ongoing war on US democracy?

If he goes to the courthouse on 8/3 and then proceeds directly to jail.

There is no rational reason not to do this.

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nines09  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:28:19pm

re: #187 gocart mozart

David Simon.
One guy I miss from Twitter. Ask him about the Yellow Submarine that was tethered in the hole the Inner harbor would one day become.
Across from the power plant.
Chased my future wife to Baltimore one week. She was staying with a friend, and Baltimore was in full free fall.
Look up “The Block” in days gone by.
Best know where you is bro….
He knows the turf.
Had an enlightening moment in an old St Paul St restaurant as we were checking out.
Roach crawled across the top of the old key cash register, and the guy taking our bill just smashed it with his hand, wiped the remnants off with his finger and wiped it on his pants.
But I was was from Fairhill Philly and thought; smooth move… One down 7865434 million to go.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:29:19pm

re: #162 Joe Bacon ✅

‘Clearly defined body count’: Florida and Ohio Republicans experienced 43 percent more COVID deaths than Dems

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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danarchy  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:30:17pm

re: #162 Joe Bacon ✅

“Conservative political rhetoric and conservative political governance now have a clearly defined body count,” Pierce argues. “They talked so many people into ruining their health, and that was the most benign outcome, because they talked so many people into the grave.”

Yeah, but now the US has a negative excess death rate, which just proves all of those people were on deaths door anyway and would already be dead anyway!!!

////

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Captain Ron  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:30:25pm
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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:31:07pm

re: #170 lawhawk

Wait, I thought the entire talking point was that Smith was attacking orange trash’s right to free speech.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:32:26pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

You know what would end (or at least sharply curtail) Trump’s ongoing war on US democracy?

If he goes to the courthouse on 8/3 and then proceeds directly to jail.

There is no rational reason not to do this.

Trump is not a rational man. By any measure.

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:33:56pm

re: #203 Eclectic Cyborg

Trump is not a rational man. By any measure.

I wasn’t referring to Trump’s rationality, since, as you say, that doesn’t exist. But it seems unlikely that the court will throw Trump in jail to await trial, and that’s the irrationality I’m referring to.

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:35:59pm

When Trump inevitably insults the judge in this case, I hope she immediately throws his ass in jail for contempt to show that she is not fucking around.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:36:12pm

re: #133 Eclectic Cyborg

Fallout from hitching their wagon to Trump?

Or the natural outcome of the unending corruption that is the GOP?

Poe qué no dos?

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Ace Rothstein  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:37:00pm

Oh, and John Yoo is a dangerous motherfucker that has no business commenting on anything.

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sizzzzlerz  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:39:22pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

You know what would end (or at least sharply curtail) Trump’s ongoing war on US democracy?

If he goes to the courthouse on 8/3 and then proceeds directly to jail.

There is no rational reason not to do this.

Can we, as a country, afford to have a man who sought to overthrow our democratic way of government to instill himself as dictator, to continually encourage others to violence and murder, offer up the secrets of the nation to unauthorized and potentially foreign individuals, and use our military as shock troops to murder his enemies?

No! No we can’t.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:41:30pm
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jeffreyw  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:42:49pm

Mastodon

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:43:38pm

re: #209 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

People came out with their picnic lunches to watch the Battle of Bull Run…

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The Ghost of a Flea  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:44:27pm

re: #168 steve_davis

Modern conservatism is actually radical agrarian populism.

Explain all the reactionary shitheads in suburbs then. Or all those Kennebunkport shitheads in the Northeast that say the exact same shit but civilized-like.

Driving a big truck and listening to stadium country does not make you “agarian.”

It would be more accurate to say that conservatives are the bourgeosie, the people whose politic interests are bound up with their ownership of the means of production, and whose “ideology” amounts to: labor has no value and laborers should exist in such a degree of precarity that their lives are not their own.

This is very different from American liberalism, which feels that American laborers should be comfortable and have opportunities to become property holders, mostly by maintaining a world order in which people in developing countries—and China—are compensated so little for work that the surplus can be saved by Americans.

It wishes to tear government, the economy, and society up by the roots.

No, it wants a two-tier state in which there’s an enormous well-budgeted enforcement system that understands that property owners can just do what they want, the society should be led by a clearly-defined elite allowed to whimsically alter culture and law, and the economy is rigged to subsidize those that already hold capital.

The stuff all of the slave states did before they became the Confederacy—lots of government, but it’s pointed in one direction.

The reason it is radical rather than reactionary is because there’s never been an actual time in American history when our economy, government, or society actually looked like what modern conservatives want us to “return” to.

Reaction is by definition radicalism that points towards past structures of society and wants a return. It’s not one or the other.

It is agrarian because

One of the great secrets of “Red America”: by the numbers all those small town folks aren’t involved in agriculture or manufacturing, they’re suburbanites with office jobs. The portion of the country that actually does agricultural work is tiny—1.3 percent actually work farms—and the generous “work in agricultural fields” stretches that to 10 percent.

The word you’re looking for is pastoralism, a thing notably done mostly by people that don’t actually work in agarian areas.American conservatives are as much country people as Marie Antoinette is a shepherdess.

it is founded in the mythical belief that dumbassed rednecks are the true Americans

So on a regular basis I point out that liberals enjoy their little classist sadism treats, and it’s very tiring because it just kind of reveals that liberalism has it’s own little geneaology in which eugenics was gene donor.

Conservatives aren’t agrarian and mostly aren’t rednecks: they’re people pretending to an authenticity they’ve never had. You imagine they are because they’ve successfully sold you an aesthetic they adopted that basically an Ed Gein skin suit. They’ve destroyed the actual rural communities and “redneck” populations…deliberately, over the course of century…so that they could wear their skins.

It also just literally not their founding myth. Their founding myth is the country was established by rebels against tyranny and thus all Americaness is a priori anti-tyrannical and tyranny—such as, say slavery and colonialism and bombing coal mines strikes—simply a priori is not tyranny and current abuses of power—drone strikes, cops shooting people—are necessaries expressions of “freedom.”

Their model American is a plantation owner dressed for Halloween as an overseer.

and that the cities are mostly overrun with effete queens and uppity, storeburning n*******. And it is populist in that it seeks to use dumbassed rednecks in large numbers to further its miserable ends.

This is a choice to make a systemic problem a problem of Types of People.

Conservative rhetoric works because American culture exists to continuously deny that our society is shaped by a succession of power abuses, that our money comes from slaves and identured servants and colonial holdings and banana republics and installing compliant dictators and just endless financial fuckery of developing world countries. We’re rugged individuals, not an entire nation built on subsidizing development through military and intelligence actions in countries that looked to us as a model of “freedom” after they were liberated from their colonizers.

Poor rural folk exist because we destroyed the basis of their livelihood by exporting their jobs and acquiring cheap-as-possible resources through rigged international markets—free trade is scam and always has been—and they’re vulnerable to conservative rhetoric because the complicated systemic explanation is embarrassing not just for conservatives, but for everyone. Liberalism can’t bring the jobs, not really, because capitalism like precarity and desperation and global logistics means they can shop for precarity: the factories will return to Appalachia when Appalachia is as incapable of protesting and unionizing and regulating as Indonesia.

The conservative promise of revenge and magic money works because it speaks to the pre-existing culture vision of how wealth works is the USA: they’re working hard, and working hard can only produce success, so if they’re not getting by then a betrayal has happened…which is true, because capitalism isn’t a meritcracy and will fuck you to death with a glass bottle to make the number go up.

America society has made the mistake of the protagonist in Moliere’s “School for Wives”: by trying to create a population of naifs that don’t understand how systems work…and who thereby cannot help but be cogs within it…US culture has created perfect rubes. Conservatism…and recently, fascism…speaks to American individualism—I’m a winner, I’m not winning because THEY won’t let me—such that our own homegrown facists imagine they’re in the first half of their own biopic, and it’s just a little time until the skeptics and doubters are proved wrong.

This is the same shit happening in Britain: to run Slow Nazism for a two centuries you have to have a population of rubes that just can’t imagine that any technique used on a Tamil rice farmer can be used on a Northern factory worker. Now the giant meat grinder in the sky fed by brown people has used up the very last of its colonial protein, but the rubes have been trained to expect endless sausage…therefore they’re keep choosing piece of gammon as elected officials, because the Eton-graduate sociopathic ham chunks will happily tell them that it’s just a matter of punishing the right society segments and then the empire machine will kick back on.

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wrenchwench  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:45:34pm

re: #210 jeffreyw

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Refrigerator Pullout
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Yr on yr own

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:47:54pm

re: #212 The Ghost of a Flea

Populism in that it appeals to rose-tinted memories of of small towns, picket fences, nickel cokes and hard working, churchgoing white people.

And yes, those who own property are the elite while the rest have to rights or representation.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Aug 2, 2023 • 1:56:00pm

Don Trump Jr. says dad told him he feels ‘freaking wonderful’ after Jan. 6 indictment

That old fart isn’t doing the James Brown I Feel Good Thing…

rawstory.com

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jeffreyw  Aug 2, 2023 • 2:04:39pm

re: #213 wrenchwench

Refrigerator Pullout
Grab and Gobble
Yr on yr own

‘zactly! To be fair, some of those are “staple” sides so they are not “I made too much to eat in one sitting.” kind of leftovers. When I run out of macaroni salad, for example, I make more. That batch was made this morning.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 2, 2023 • 2:11:09pm

re: #21 No Malarkey!

They have no evidence, and the judge isn’t going to let them present baseless speculation to the jury. The only thing I can think they could argue is that at the time Trump thought the “independent legislature theory” was legitimate so they sincerely believed that changes to voting requirements made by courts and election commissions without legislative action were illegal.

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Can they argue that without Trump testifying? And no legal counsel is stupid enough to let him on the witness stand to testify under oath.

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Hecuba's daughter  Aug 2, 2023 • 2:17:59pm

re: #36 Dangerman (sigh…only in America)

Imo not exactly
I don’t think he sought the less reliable and more toady
He got desperate for anyone who would work for him

No — he sought anyone who would support his lies; the more reliable and capable refused to sacrifice their careers to promote outright falsehoods. He wouldn’t hire or want to keep anyone who dares contradict him. It was only when confronted with the threats of mass resignations from his staff that he backed down.

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EPR-radar  Aug 2, 2023 • 2:22:14pm

re: #212 The Ghost of a Flea

This really is publication-worthy material, as are your other posts on this theme. Have you ever looked into that?

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BeenHereAwhile  Aug 2, 2023 • 2:46:22pm

re: #201 Captain Ron

North Korea has now acknowledged receiving a U.S. request for information on American soldier Travis King, made through the U.N., more than two weeks after King crossed into the country, the Pentagon said.

An official said the country did not provide any details about King.

Suspect by now, King is regretting his break for freedom into North Korea.


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