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retired cynic  Oct 9, 2023 • 10:55:35am

Today’s quote:
Instead of a sign that says. “Do not disturb” I need one that says. “Already disturbed. Proceed with caution?

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 10:55:42am

Tell me about it.

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retired cynic  Oct 9, 2023 • 10:57:21am

WaPo: Kevin McCarthy says he’s willing to return as speaker

Surprise, surprise.

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Shropshire Slasher  Oct 9, 2023 • 10:57:34am

Quite a few people from Quebec heading north on I-87 today in upstate NY.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 10:58:11am

re: #3 retired cynic

WaPo: Kevin McCarthy says he’s willing to return as speaker

Surprise, surprise.

We’ll see what Snow Gaetz and the Seven Doofuses have to say about that…

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Dave In Austin  Oct 9, 2023 • 10:59:40am

re: #3 retired cynic

WaPo: Kevin McCarthy says he’s willing to return as speaker

Surprise, surprise.

I said this the day he got booted that someone would nominate him back in. Then Qevin said he wouldn’t accept it…. So much for that.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:00:56am

re: #5 Joe Bacon ✅

We’ll see what Snow Gaetz and the Seven Doofuses have to say about that…

I presume that any sort of 2nd McCarthy speaker term comes without the “single GOP can move to vacate” agreement. Which means a result that the Freedom Caucus influence is somewhat gutted.

Most likely I guess is a continual inability for the GOP to get sufficient unity behind any single candidate.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:01:31am

re: #6 Dave In Austin

I said this the day he got booted that someone would nominate him back in. Then Qevin said he wouldn’t accept it…. So much for that.

Just another lie.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:03:02am

Just look what we’ve made……..

I’ve said is before, I’ll say it again.

I blame MTV…..

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:03:21am

re: #6 Dave In Austin

I said this the day he got booted that someone would nominate him back in. Then Qevin said he wouldn’t accept it…. So much for that.

Kevin thinks he’s Caesar and he’ll decline the House’s offer multiple times until they reinstall him with powers that Uncle Joe Cannon couldn’t even dream of…

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Dave In Austin  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:06:20am

re: #10 Joe Bacon ✅

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:06:21am

Here they go again!

Trump co-defendants make yet another effort to move cases out of Georgia

A former Justice Department official and three Georgia Republicans charged alongside Donald Trump in Georgia have appealed court rulings keeping their criminal cases in Fulton County court.

Former state GOP head David Shafer, state Sen. Shawn Still and Cathy Latham, the former chairwoman of the Coffee County GOP, asked the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Friday to transfer their cases from state to federal court, and former assistant U.S. attorney general Jeffrey Clark asked for a pause in his criminal case while his appeal moves through court, reported the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

U.S. District Court Judge Steve Jones ruled a week earlier that all four failed to meet the burden to move their cases under the federal removal statute after their lawyers argued in court they had been acting as federal officials when they met Dec. 14, 2020, to proclaim Donald Trump had won the election in Georgia.

Clark’s lawyer argued in a separate hearing that he had been acting as a Justice Department official when he tried to help the former president overturn his election loss in the state.

Five of the 19 Fulton County defendants, including former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, have sought to move their cases to federal court, where juries might be drawn from a slightly more conservative pool, but none of them have been successful.

rawstory.com

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:06:35am
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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:07:20am

re: #11 Dave In Austin

“Moderate Republican”

There is no such thing as a “moderate Republican” anymore…🤬

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:08:16am
About 100 bodies have been removed from Kibbutz Be’eri, Hebrew media report, citing the ZAKA search and rescue group

Channel 12 reports that the bodies were removed in refrigerated trucks.

The number of victims killed in the devastated kibbutz, home to some 1,000 residents, is thought to be even higher, according to the reports.

A resident earlier told Kan that the community had been completely destroyed in the Hamas assault.

timesofisrael.com

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:09:22am
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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:10:13am

re: #4 Shropshire Slasher

Quite a few people from Quebec heading north on I-87 today in upstate NY.

I remember visiting Plattsburgh about 6 years ago. It seemed like the shopping center parking lots were about 1/2 cars from Quebec.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:11:03am

re: #14 Joe Bacon ✅

“Moderate Republican”

There is no such thing as a “moderate Republican” anymore…🤬

Moderates don’t want to kill LGBTQ people, black people, and Jewish people. They’re just OK with fascists killing LGBTQ people, black people, and Jewish people. That’s pretty chill for a 2023 Republican.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:13:34am

I saw a report on blsy that the Lebanese minister of education is suspending classes in south Lebanon tomorrow. Tensions in the north as well.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:14:18am

re: #12 Joe Bacon ✅

Only clarification I’d make to the second line is that it’s removal from Georgia state court to federal court in Georgia. Georgia state law still applies, but procedurally federal courts are a bit easier for the defendants in this case.

Prosecutors are still able to show that none of these fuckers were operating under color of authority or privilege or that their role in US government allowed them to interfere in the election certification process.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:17:57am

Meanwhile in the Soviet Of Texas the Party Purges and Trials commence.

Ken Paxton to file criminal complaints against Texas House impeachment managers

rawstory.com

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said Monday he plans to file criminal complaints against the group of state representatives who led the impeachment against him for releasing his personal information.

“The impeachment managers clearly have a desire to threaten me with harm when they released this information last week,” he said in a statement. “I’m imploring their local prosecutors in each individual district to investigate the criminal offenses that have been committed.”

The 12 House representatives being targeted by Paxton led the impeachment trial in the Senate after the House overwhelmingly voted to impeach Paxton in May. Last month the Senate acquitted Paxton of 16 articles of impeachment that alleged corruption and bribery.

In a statement Monday, Paxton accused the House impeachment managers of violating a new state law with an Oct. 2 release of documents related to the case. The new legislation cited by Paxton prohibits posting an individual’s personal information such as a home address or telephone number with the intent to cause harm to that individual or their family.

Paxton said he plans to file the criminal complaints in each of the eight counties represented by the dozen impeachment managers. It is not clear which address is in question. Several of Paxton’s addresses are available through already-published public records, often found online from any location through local municipalities’ appraisal district databases.

House lawyer Rusty Hardin, who prosecuted Paxton, said Monday that the documents released last week contained the same information that was included in other documents that had already been filed or were admitted into the impeachment trial without objection.

He also said that the information about Paxton’s residence is available through public records, and has been for years. Further, he said the release of documents was not conducted with an intent to cause harm to Paxton as he alleged — it was “simply a repeat of public information to anyone that wants to look into it.”

If Paxton makes good on his pledge to file the criminal complaints, Hardin said his Houston law firm will consider countering with a criminal complaint against Paxton for making a false report to police.

“This is the exact kind of bullying, uninformed vengeful act that we predicted if the attorney general was not impeached,” Hardin said. “He’s trying to misuse the criminal justice system to cower and punish people who sought to impeach him under the law. It’s just one more outrageous, vengeful act by a man who has no business being attorney general.”

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:23:28am

This is a delaying tactic in the hopes of thwarting the prosecution of Trump and his seditious coconspirators.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:23:51am
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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:25:32am

re: #23 lawhawk

Mary is correct and we should listen to her.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:26:19am

re: #21 Joe Bacon ✅

If he has no business being Attorney General, Mr. Hardin, then why is he still Attorney General? Oh, right - it’s because party affiliation trumps all, and Paxton is a shining example of what it means to be a Republican: Brazenly corrupt and all-in on the culture wars.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:30:15am

And the Texas Republicans In Disarray gets kicked up a notch!

Hitler-apologist sparks furious in-fighting among Texas Republicans

Texas Lt. Governor Dan Patrick is expressing anger and outrage after his state’s Speaker of the House, a fellow Republican, issued a statement denouncing an influential far-right activist, donor, and Super PAC head, saying, “The Republican Party is no place for Hitler apologists.”

Speaker Dade Phelan on Monday demanded the Lt. Governor (photo) give away $3 million in donations he received from Defend Texas Liberty PAC, whose President, Jonathan Stickland, he says, “fraternized for six hours with a notorious, anti-Semitic, nazi sympathizer who denies the existence of the Holocaust.” Stickland is the Republican former Texas state representative who reportedly said in 2008, “Rape is non existent in marriage, take what you want my friend!” and has called vaccines “sorcery.”

Phelan was referring to “notorious white supremacist and antisemite Nick Fuentes,” writes Mark Pitcavage, a Senior Research Fellow at the ADL Center on Extremism.

“At a time when we are witnessing heinous attacks on our Israeli allies by Hamas terrorists - the most egregious assault on Jewish lives since the Holocaust - Jonathan Stickland, the President of Defend Texas Liberty PAC, fraternized for six hours with a notorious, anti-Semitic, nazi sympathizer who denies the existence of the Holocaust,” wrote Speaker Phelan, citing a Texas Tribune report from Sunday

texastribune.org

“This not just a casual misstep. It’s indicative of the moral, political rot that has been festering in a certain segment of our party for far too long. Anti-Semitism, bigotry and Hitler apologists should find no sanctuary in the Republican party. Period. We cannot - and must not - tolerate the tacit endorsement of such vile ideologies.”

Phelan continued, saying, “I call upon any elected official who has accepted political donations from Defend Texas Liberty PAC, or any of its affiliate organizations, to immediately redirect every single cent of those contributions to a charitable organization of his or her choice.”

“Furthermore, I call upon elected officials and candidates to state unequivocally that they will not accept further contributions, including in-kind contributions, from the Defend Texas Liberty PAC. Recently, Lt. Governor Dan Patrick took $3 million from this organization. I expect him to lead the way in redirecting these funds.”

“Additionally, the Republican Party of Texas has received $132,500 during this election cycle from the Defend Texas Liberty PAC. As of their last report, RPT had just under $50,000 on hand. I call upon Chairman Matt Rinaldi to direct the party to donate these Defend Texas Liberty funds to charity. And if doing so would take the party into the red, I would be happy to provide a short-term loan until Chairman Rinaldi can replace the money with other donations.”

“There is no excuse to keep tainted funds from an organization that provides a platform for hatemongers, sexual predators, racists and nazi sympathizers.”

The Texas Tribune report noted that it had “observed Texas GOP chair Matt Rinaldi outside the building, but he denied meeting Fuentes and denounced him.”

Just waiting for the New York Times to both-sider this…

P.S.—F that anti-Semite Fuentes!

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:34:51am
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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:35:30am
Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala says it is the right time to move his country’s embassy to Jerusalem.

“I am convinced that this would be a desirable step at the present time,” he tweets. “I intend to discuss the specific course of action in this situation with my coalition partners.”

Fiala was supposed to host Netanyahu today in Prague, but the Hamas attacks forced a postponement of the planned government-to-government meetings.

timesofisrael.com

It’s being talked about in local Czech media as well.

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:37:50am

It can go higher.

Mastodon

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:40:53am

re: #29 darthstar

It can go higher.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:41:11am

I’m seeing some indications that armed civilians did in fact resist the Hamas rampage, and may have killed quite a few terrorists. The site of the concert massacre is littered with dead Hamas and there are others strewn around various other areas. This contradicts the Republican propaganda that (a.) Civilians in the area were all un-armed and (b.) They would have been successful in defending themselves if they had been armed. Fact is they were not in any way organized for any kind of defense. They had no knowledge of what was happening and no ability to coordinate with each other. They stood no chance against organized, mutually supporting gangs equipped with military weapons and body armor. The terrorists took their losses and pressed on slaughtering everyone they could.
The IDF said yesterday that 400 terrorists had been killed inside Israel and that number is bound to rise since their bodies are apparently being left for last in the recovery effort.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:43:15am

This suggests Bibi knew and did nothing, figuring that he’d be able to use the casualties (which he figured would be along lines of earlier Palestinian attacks from Gaza) to launch major operation against Hamas.

He seriously miscalculated if that was his goal. The blood is on his hands.

Regrettably, he should never have been in the position in the first place because of his rampant corruption. He should have lost elections, and never gained a coalition govt, which consists of the more extreme factions in Israeli politics. That’s part of why we’re here.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:45:57am

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Israeli settlers have firearms. There’s armed security. But armed security isn’t the same as a defense force capable of repelling a large scale invasion force, which is precisely what Hamas did, focusing on the music festival as target of opportunity.

I have nothing but disgust for Bibi and the military leadership who failed Israelis, and nothing but hope for safety and security for Israelis overcoming their disastrous leadership.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:46:57am

re: #9 Dave In Austin

Obviously some libtard doing false-ops to discredit tfg’s supporters

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:48:28am

re: #27 lawhawk

Ok somebody needed their stomach pumped after eating too many Adderalls.

Watch: Trump gleefully dances off New Hampshire stage after addressing Israel attack

rawstory.com

Former President Donald Trump appeared to be in a good mood on Monday, dancing his way across a New Hampshire stage before addressing the crowd about the terror attacks that struck Israel.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:48:47am

re: #33 lawhawk

Lawhawk you are not the only one. Bibi should not be PM. He is too hard Right.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:50:21am

I need a chuckle.

Don’t you…step on my blue suede shoes…even if they’re Birkenstocks…

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:54:00am

re: #33 lawhawk

Israeli settlers have firearms. There’s armed security. But armed security isn’t the same as a defense force capable of repelling a large scale invasion force, which is precisely what Hamas did, focusing on the music festival as target of opportunity.

I have nothing but disgust for Bibi and the military leadership who failed Israelis, and nothing but hope for safety and security for Israelis overcoming their disastrous leadership.

Netanyahu has been a disaster for Israel. A lot like Trump, except he’s not an idiot. And that makes him worse.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:55:32am


For context, Netanyahu just gave an address on Israeli TV.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:57:00am

Bibi’s next step should be to resign and head for the Cayman Islands.

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Unabogie  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:57:31am

re: #35 Joe Bacon ✅

Ok somebody needed their stomach pumped after eating too many Adderalls.

Watch: Trump gleefully dances off New Hampshire stage after addressing Israel attack

rawstory.com

Former President Donald Trump appeared to be in a good mood on Monday, dancing his way across a New Hampshire stage before addressing the crowd about the terror attacks that struck Israel.

He’s a truly fucked up guy. Can you imagine Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama dancing off stage after discussing a tragedy? It’s impossible to even contemplate.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:57:34am
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Unabogie  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:58:14am

re: #39 Dr Lizardo

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For context, Netanyahu just gave an address on Israeli TV.

He’s right. The atrocities he’s gearing up to perpetrate will echo for generations.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:59:04am

re: #41 Unabogie

Now that video should be run as many times as possible.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 11:59:45am

re: #35 Joe Bacon ✅

Ok somebody needed their stomach pumped after eating too many Adderalls.

Watch: Trump gleefully dances off New Hampshire stage after addressing Israel attack

rawstory.com

Former President Donald Trump appeared to be in a good mood on Monday, dancing his way across a New Hampshire stage before addressing the crowd about the terror attacks that struck Israel.

Dancing, or doing that invisible dicks handjob thing that he does?

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:00:21pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

That’s why I keep going back to the 1973 war as a parallel. Israeli leadership at that time was experienced, led by Golda Meir and General Moshe Dayan. They knew what it took to keep Israel safe, and they failed, because they didn’t want to preempt another invasion, just as they did with the Six Day War.

The evidence is piling up that not only did Bibi and Israeli security know something was afoot, but they did nothing to prepare for a conflict, didn’t mobilize forces, or heighten security at the border. It’s as though they were asleep at the wheel, and they’re still at it.

Bibi is reverting to type - a guy who’d be fine wiping out all Gazans, no matter the cost. He’s likely getting egged on by the right wingers in his cabinet too - because he packed the government coalition with the far right, including Kahanists.

It’s further revealing that he stayed in Likud when Sharon split to form Kadima. Sharon understood the existential problem of staying in Gaza indefinitely. Other right wingers are fine being colonialists and a minority in their own country because they’d hold the power (sounds familiar?).

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:00:28pm

re: #43 Unabogie

He’s right. The atrocities he’s gearing up to perpetrate will echo for generations.

And so the cycle continues anew, with this generation of Israelis seeing this as their Yom Kippur War moment (depressingly literally), and the children of the Hamas terrorists being raised in fear of the IDF and how they will “retaliate against brave men and women who are just resisting the evil occupiers and wanting to live in their homes in peace.”

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:00:45pm

re: #45 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

The accordion hand jive.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:00:56pm

re: #43 Unabogie

He’s gonna go full Palpatine, ain’t he?

Wipe them out, all of them

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:01:49pm

re: #41 Unabogie

He’s a truly fucked up guy. Can you imagine Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama dancing off stage after discussing a tragedy? It’s impossible to even contemplate.

And we know that if any one of them did that the Republican Bullshit Machine would be cranked up to 11!

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:02:48pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

He’s gonna go full Palpatine, ain’t he?

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Hamas gave him the permission he needs to do so, so I expect so. The only thing that could stop him is removal from office for ignoring the threat.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:02:57pm

If nothing else, Bibi’s finger needs to be off the nuclear trigger. It doesn’t seem that he would be that crazy but at this point, who knows?

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:04:20pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

True.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:04:38pm
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:05:14pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

If nothing else, Bibi’s finger needs to be off the nuclear trigger. It doesn’t seem that he would be that crazy but at this point, who knows?

The targets that he has society’s permission to hit are too close for nuclear weapons.

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Unabogie  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:07:20pm

re: #47 Nerdy Fish

And so the cycle continues anew, with this generation of Israelis seeing this as their Yom Kippur War moment (depressingly literally), and the children of the Hamas terrorists being raised in fear of the IDF and how they will “retaliate against brave men and women who are just resisting the evil occupiers and wanting to live in their homes in peace.”

This is the tragedy. I’m Jewish, but I have never thought that the idea of any religious state was tenable. I’ve argued countless times with my relatives about this, and I often asked how they’d like to live in a Christian nation in which they could never have full citizenship. For people like me who grew up in America, in which diversity and inclusion are core principles, the idea that there could ever be a country devoted to one single religion or ethnicity was always anathema to my values.

So I’m again finding myself isolated on this conflict. I don’t side with the terrorists, but blind allegiance to Israel’s fascist government will never sit right with me.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:09:02pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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If anyone doesn’t see it, look at the rightmost square on the third or fourth row. It clicked for me instantly then.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:09:23pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

My understanding of Israeli nuclear doctrine is that they are strategically ambiguous, but they retain the Sampson Option - their version of MAD. If attacked with WMD, they will respond with nukes in kind (though they never admit to having an arsenal).

Everyone in the region figures them to have between 150-500 weapons, likely carried on aircraft, although they might have ballistic missile warheads.

Most of this is conjecture, and knowledge gleaned from Vanunu.

I don’t see the IDF using nukes against Gaza, especially because the fallout will fall on Israeli territory downwind - it’d be almost impossible not to hit Israelis with the damage too given the size of Gaza and proximity to Israeli territory and population centers.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:09:31pm

I hope someone can take Tuberville’s hostages away soon.

Tuberville won’t bend on military blockade amid Israel crisis

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:09:45pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I look and see no circles probably because of the double astigmatisms in my eyes.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:10:14pm

re: #60 Joe Bacon ✅

Focus on the vertical lines.

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nines09  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:10:42pm

re: #57 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

If anyone doesn’t see it, look at the rightmost square on the third or fourth row. It clicked for me instantly then.

Between the squares. The squares draw your eye, shift from them to the space between the squares.
Boom.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:12:06pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Someone (with better tools and skill than mine) should build a ceiling like that.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:13:10pm

re: #61 jaunte

Focus on the vertical lines.

Doesn’t work at all for me. Neither does looking at the rightmost square on the 3rd or 4th row. This isn’t the only pattern that I can’t detect. Ophthalmologist has done multiple pattern tests on me to confirm the double astigmatisms.

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danarchy  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:13:15pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

I see them but I am going to disagee with the image appears changed forever part. I can force myself to focus on the circles and it looks like a very different image, but as soon as I stop actively trying to focus on them it pops right back to the way I originaly saw it.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:15:13pm

re: #65 danarchy

I see them but I am going to disagee with the image appears changed forever part. I can force myself to focos on the circles and it looks like a very different image, but as soon as I stop actively trying to focus on them it pops right back to the way I originaly saw it.

That varies from person to person. The image is unstable for me now. My brain is interpreting it in two conflicting ways at once.

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[deleted]  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:15:34pm
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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:15:56pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon ✅

I could never see anything in those Magic Eye images, myself.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:16:21pm
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[deleted]  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:17:17pm
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sagehen  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:17:29pm

re: #61 jaunte

Focus on the vertical lines.

ooooh!! that was the clue I needed, now I can see them.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:18:34pm

re: #67 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

The map showed me Philly. As much as I do not like quite a few things about Philly I do not want to nuke it.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:19:23pm

re: #70 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Me too. Please see my #72

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[deleted]  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:19:42pm
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[deleted]  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:19:46pm
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Captain Magic  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:20:29pm

re: #61 jaunte

I can see them. But only one or two at a time.

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Eventual Carrion  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:21:21pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Took me a few minutes of staring at it, but I see them now.

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[deleted]  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:22:13pm
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A Three Hour Tour  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:22:33pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon ✅

Doesn’t work at all for me. Neither does looking at the rightmost square on the 3rd or 4th row. This isn’t the only pattern that I can’t detect. Ophthalmologist has done multiple pattern tests on me to confirm the double astigmatisms.

You are not alone, Joe.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:23:06pm

I sincerely hope the idea of nuking Gaza is not being seriously discussed.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:23:28pm

Frost advisory for early tomorrow morning in Chicagoland. First of the season.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:23:49pm

re: #79 A Three Hour Tour

I can only see squares. And right now I have a headache which does not help with anything.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:25:01pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

One stupid inhuman trick to lose every alliance you have.

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Dave In Austin  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:25:27pm

re: #61 jaunte

Got it….. It’s a case of the Miters…….

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:26:05pm

re: #76 Captain Magic

I can see them. But only one or two at a time.

I can see them all looking at the bottom right. If I move my eyes from that area, it gets unstable.

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[deleted]  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:27:21pm
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steve_davis  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:28:19pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

I’m seeing some indications that armed civilians did in fact resist the Hamas rampage, and may have killed quite a few terrorists. The site of the concert massacre is littered with dead Hamas and there are others strewn around various other areas. This contradicts the Republican propaganda that (a.) Civilians in the area were all un-armed and (b.) They would have been successful in defending themselves if they had been armed. Fact is they were not in any way organized for any kind of defense. They had no knowledge of what was happening and no ability to coordinate with each other. They stood no chance against organized, mutually supporting gangs equipped with military weapons and body armor. The terrorists took their losses and pressed on slaughtering everyone they could.
The IDF said yesterday that 400 terrorists had been killed inside Israel and that number is bound to rise since their bodies are apparently being left for last in the recovery effort.

and this, by the way, is how you deal with terrorism. If you are Muslim, you need to have your body in the ground inside 3 days. Getting left to rot and to be eaten by dogs is a very fitting response from a side in the conflict that wants to impress immeasurable consequences for this bullshit.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:28:35pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

I sincerely hope the idea of nuking Gaza is not being seriously discussed.

Just as an unlikely fear. It would be an insane response even if Gaza was thousands of miles away from Israel. With them as a close neighbor, it would be fractally insane.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:28:38pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

I sincerely hope the idea of nuking Gaza is not being seriously discussed.

Not an option, Israel is in the radiation zone.

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steve_davis  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:29:06pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

I sincerely hope the idea of nuking Gaza is not being seriously discussed.

they’re not gonna nuke Gaza. Fallout would eat Israel up in the process.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:32:13pm

re: #86 Captain Magic

I used six kilotons, the size of the 2009 North Korean test. 93,350 fatalities, 168,020 injuries. Fireball radius of 125 meters, radiation radius of 500 meters, blast damage out to 3.9 kilometers.

Would Bibi actually do it? Gotta be honest…I really wouldn’t put it past him.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:34:07pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

I sincerely hope the idea of nuking Gaza is not being seriously discussed.

Bebe’s words are certainly ominous but the speculation may just show my lack of confidence in Netanyahu and his rolling disaster of a government.
On a positive note, the Arab world is not exactly rushing to Hamas’s side, certainly nothing like during previous outbreaks. Revulsion at Hamas barbarism may bring in some new intelligence and diplomatic assets.
Managing this would require about an order of magnitude better insight and diplomatic skill than Netanyahu has so far exhibited.

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Captain Magic  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:39:20pm

re: #95 Dr Lizardo

Its amazing what a 1 kiloton difference can make.

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Rightwingconspirator  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:40:42pm

Imho. Israel is not about to nuke Gaza. Given a moment to wind up they can flatten the place without nukes. Like what we did to Falloujah. Writ large.

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:41:46pm
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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:42:05pm

re: #97 Rightwingconspirator

Let the IDF handle it not Bibi.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:43:12pm

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

He’s gonna go full Palpatine, ain’t he?

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:43:29pm

re: #98 lawhawk

She must insist on Premium.
way.com

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:43:50pm

re: #41 Unabogie

He’s a truly fucked up guy. Can you imagine Joe Biden, or Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama dancing off stage after discussing a tragedy? It’s impossible to even contemplate.

As Ronna McDaniel said, it’s an opportunity for Republicans to score points.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:44:18pm

re: #96 Captain Magic

Its amazing what a 1 kiloton difference can make.

That’s why dial-a-yield nukes exist.

Most nuclear weapons today are variable-yield, or “dial-a-yield,” providing a set amount of explosive energy that can range from fractions of a kiloton to multiples of a megaton. (For example, the U.S.’s newest version of its B61 nuclear bomb can release 0.3, 1.5, 10 or 50 kilotons of explosive energy.

‘Limited’ Tactical Nuclear Weapons Would Be Catastrophic (Scientific American)

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:44:51pm

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL perfect.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:45:38pm

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

The IDF is going to have more of a Peleliu battle ahead.

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:45:56pm

re: #97 Rightwingconspirator

Like Russia has Severodonetsk and Bakhmut and too many other villages and towns in Ukraine

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:46:43pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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That was nuts. It was like a switch flipped.

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steve_davis  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:47:59pm

re: #104 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

That’s why dial-a-yield nukes exist.

‘Limited’ Tactical Nuclear Weapons Would Be Catastrophic (Scientific American)

It was rumored the soviets were working on a 100 megaton one but got a bit spooked when tsar bomba made the earth ring.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:50:28pm

Keep and Bear Arms?
My “favorite” Nukemap simulation was to lob the .02 kiloton (20 tons of TNT, the lowest practical yield) Davey Crockett warhead onto the NRA headquarters in Virginia. It would flatten the building and flash fry anyone in the parking but cause little damage beyond that.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:57:02pm

re: #109 steve_davis

It was rumored the soviets were working on a 100 megaton one but got a bit spooked when tsar bomba made the earth ring.

Yeah, story goes the physicists were concerned that a 100 megaton blast might be just a wee bit too big, so they dialed it back to 50 megatons. And even there, the bomber that dropped it barely got away. Had it been full-strength, that bomber would’ve been knocked out of the sky.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:58:27pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Keep and Bear Arms?
My “favorite” Nukemap simulation was to lob the .02 kiloton (20 tons of TNT, the lowest practical yield) Davey Crockett warhead onto the NRA headquarters in Virginia. It would flatten the building and flash fry anyone in the parking but cause little damage beyond that.

DAVEY CROCKETT’S FOR EVERYONE! SECOND AMENDMENT! FREEDOM!!

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Unabogie  Oct 9, 2023 • 12:59:14pm

re: #102 darthstar

As Ronna McDaniel said, it’s an opportunity for Republicans to score points.

And let’s not forget her uncle Mitt did the same thing after Benghazi.

theguardian.com

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lawhawk  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:01:58pm

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

Meanwhile, the US seriously underestimated the yield of the Castle Bravo test, because they didn’t understand the interaction of some of the elements that comprised the core.

What was expected to be 5mt turned into 15mt because physicists didn’t think Lithium 7 would react (it did).

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:04:48pm

Once again, I think this is bullshit. Iran has a reputation among radicals for being riddled with spies and foreign agents. The operational security for this action was extreme and I just can’t see Hamas taking the risk of bringing the Iranians in. I’ll wait for a better source in any case.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:06:08pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Same here.

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:07:21pm

re: #114 lawhawk

Meanwhile, the US seriously underestimated the yield of the Castle Bravo test, because they didn’t understand the interaction of some of the elements that comprised the core.

What was expected to be 5mt turned into 15mt because physicists didn’t think Lithium 7 would react (it did).

Oh yeah, that’s a well-known blunder. And the fate of the unfortunate fishing boat Daigo Fukuryū Maru (Lucky Dragon #5) inspired Ishiro Honda to create his 1954 film Godzilla.

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dat_said  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:07:49pm

WSJ: Home Depot Tracked a Crime Ring and Found an Unusual Suspect

For years, Robert Dell ran a drug recovery program at what was known as The Rock Community Church and Transformation Center in St. Petersburg, Fla. On the side, prosecutors say, Dell also ran an organized retail-crime ring.

The pastor had been working as a fence, the middleman buying stolen goods from thieves and reselling them for a profit, according to prosecutors.

Somewhat reminded me of a local scandal from a couple of decades ago: LATimes - Rich Family Hired Shoplifter, Police Say. It was the Dick family, not the Rich family though - understandable as Dick and Rich are both diminutives of Richard.

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Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:11:45pm

Speaking of the unspeakable, I wouldn’t have thought that the leader of a civilized country would try to starve two and a half million people, but that plan is already being put into effect.

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Teukka  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:11:50pm

*SIGH*

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:11:58pm

Why does Egypt keep Palestinians bottled up in Gaza?
reuters.com

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:12:15pm

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Oh yeah, that’s a well-known blunder. And the fate of the unfortunate fishing boat Daigo Fukuryū Maru (Lucky Dragon #5) inspired Ishiro Honda to create his 1954 film Godzilla.

Are we sure that wasn’t the Enlightened Crouching Dragon Circle? I may have translated it poorly.

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EstebanTornado1963  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:12:56pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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Classic Seinfeld

Mr. Pitt Gets Distracted By 3D Art | The Gymnast | Seinfeld

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Dr Lizardo  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:15:45pm

re: #122 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Are we sure that wasn’t the Enlightened Crouching Dragon Circle? I may have translated it poorly.

That’s what it says on Wiki…https://en.wikipedia.org

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:18:53pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

Keep and Bear Arms?
My “favorite” Nukemap simulation was to lob the .02 kiloton (20 tons of TNT, the lowest practical yield) Davey Crockett warhead onto the NRA headquarters in Virginia. It would flatten the building and flash fry anyone in the parking but cause little damage beyond that.

When I was due for reenlistment in the Navy in 1971 one of the inducements I was offered was to be trained for solo HALO deployment of the underwater-delivered mine (supposedly 55 pounds) that was made from the Davy Crockett warhead. I declined, even though the sweetener on the deal was to also place me on the Apollo 13 splashdown crew. No more trips to Vietnam for me, whatever the inducements!

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piratedan  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:21:45pm

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel: From behind wingnut lines

well that comes from the WSJ and I have to say that due to their track record, I would be extremely dubious about their reporting until confirmed elsewhere by a source that has less apparent political bias in their reporting.

Not saying that this couldn’t have happened, but like most reporting that comes from RW sources these days, I have to be aware of what frame are they constructing with what they choose to report.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:24:40pm

re: #3 retired cynic

WaPo: Kevin McCarthy says he’s willing to return as speaker

Surprise, surprise.

Thank you, Sir. May I have another?

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Nojay UK  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:25:52pm

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Oh yeah, that’s a well-known blunder. And the fate of the unfortunate fishing boat Daigo Fukuryū Maru (Lucky Dragon #5) inspired Ishiro Honda to create his 1954 film Godzilla.

The Lucky Dragon No. 5 is now on display in a museum in Japan. Weirdly enough, for a radioactive disaster intense enough to actually kill someone (the boat’s radio operator), a number of the original crew attended the museum opening about twenty years after the event.

If you go to Yumenoshima in Tokyo on Google Maps you can take a Streetview tour of the museum and see the boat in place there. The engine is, for some reason, displayed outside under a canopy (I think it’s because the original hull was repurposed and re-used for other things and it may have been re-engined at some time).

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:26:51pm

re: #127 sizzzzlerz

Thank you, Sir. May I have another?

He was the only person willing to be an extremely weak Speaker compromised by the free-dumb caucus idiots. I think he expects them to be unable to find a replacement that isn’t a complete lunatic. That’s what I expect too.

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:26:57pm

Hamas are not “Revolutionaries.” They are murderers. Their declared end goal is genocide.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:28:42pm

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

I read yesterday that Hamas considers all Israelis occupiers, and thus combatants, no matter their age.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:29:38pm

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Hamas are not “Revolutionaries.” They are murderers. Their declared end goal is genocide.

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Our revolutionaries were also murderers, but they didn’t swarm into England killing English families. They defended land they wanted to take for themselves. If the Palestinians just protected their own territory, Israel wouldn’t have license to slaughter them today.

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retired cynic  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:33:08pm

re: #132 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

If I understand correctly, Hamas does not equal Palestinians. They are a terrorist group taking advantage of a situation.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:37:58pm

Not just inappropriate because he was video recording strangers. This guy is a seriously stupid sicko.

DOWNERS GROVE, IL — Felony charges have been filed against a Downers Grove man accused of filming a 13-year-old girl and several women inappropriately in different locations in Hinsdale and Downers Grove.

Matthew Morgan, 36, of the first block of 4th Street, Downers Grove, was charged with unauthorized video recording of a victim under 18 and unauthorized video recording without consent. Police say a search found more than 250 videos on Morgan’s phone, in which he inappropriately recording women at Target, Goodwill and Starbucks.

Man Accused Of Recording, Girl, 13, Women In Downers Grove , Hinsdale (Patch)

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:38:19pm

re: #61 jaunte

Focus on the vertical lines.

As Oracle Jones said in The Hallelujah Trail, “There it is, now I see it!”

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:39:00pm

re: #133 retired cynic

If I understand correctly, Hamas does not equal Palestinians. They are a terrorist group taking advantage of a situation.

Would we tolerate it if Mexico harbored terrorists in large numbers that attacked us?
You can’t provide a safe space for terrorists.

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Charles Johnson  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:46:31pm
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Nojay UK  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:52:25pm

re: #133 retired cynic

If I understand correctly, Hamas does not equal Palestinians. They are a terrorist group taking advantage of a situation.

Hamas was created as a counter to Hezbollah, funded mostly by the Saudis to balance the Jordanians in political influence in the region. Hezbollah’s operational area is based on the refugee camps in southern Jordan, not Gaza which is a Hamas fief.

I’ve seen reporting that Hamas was encouraged by the Israeli government back in the 1980s for similar reasons with the hope that they’d fight Hezbollah and Arafat’s Fatah (which used to be the Israeli government’s bete noire). It’s so long ago it’s difficult to really know who did what back then since it’s unlikely anyone wrote down what they were doing. It wouldn’t be the last time that a supposedly-compliant tool turned in the hand of its wielder though.

The Iranians have Islamic Jihad in the West Bank under their thumb and they have nothing to do with Hamas especially. They do support Hezbollah, at least financially. Nobody really cares what the Palestinian Authority says or does about this mess, of course.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:55:46pm

DeSantis will be on Morning Joe tomorrow. I don’t know if Joe and Mika will be there. They’re not present today, and the show is much better without them.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:58:38pm
Donald Trump’s sharing of alleged classified intelligence to Russian officials in the White House has come under scrutiny amid a large-scale attack by the Hamas Islamist military group against Israel.

In May 2017, the former president defended his actions after he was found to have discussed sensitive details about an alleged Islamic State (ISIS) plot with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Ambassador Sergey Kislyak in the Oval Office. Trump said he had an absolute right to do so. The intel was said to have been provided to the U.S. from Israel.

It was suggested at the time that the former president’s handing over sensitive information from Israel could have damaged the relationship between the two countries. It also could have raised the possibility that the details could be passed from Russia to Iran, the Gulf nation that is a fierce adversary of Israel and has long supported Hamas.

Donald Trump’s Israel Intel Leak Under Scrutiny After Hamas Attack (Newsweek)

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Thanos  Oct 9, 2023 • 1:59:08pm

re: #133 retired cynic

If I understand correctly, Hamas does not equal Palestinians. They are a terrorist group taking advantage of a situation.

Yes, but like most modern Terror groups HAMAS understands the value of good PR. So they are also a charitable org, with bonafide community outreach and support wings — but like dealing with the devil or the godfather their “charity” comes with an obligation. This is why the average Palestinian is a fence sitter when it comes to HAMAS, and will publicly support them because ATM HAMAS is in charge. This because they displanted the PLO/FATAH corrupt strongmen that preceded them with their version of control through outreach and terror.

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danarchy  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:00:34pm

re: #133 retired cynic

If I understand correctly, Hamas does not equal Palestinians. They are a terrorist group taking advantage of a situation.

If I recall correctly, hamas was voted into power by the people in the gaza strip. Wether they could remove them the same way is doubtful, but they are not merely a terrorist group, they are the elected representatives.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:01:08pm

re: #126 piratedan

well that comes from the WSJ and I have to say that due to their track record, I would be extremely dubious about their reporting until confirmed elsewhere by a source that has less apparent political bias in their reporting.

Not saying that this couldn’t have happened, but like most reporting that comes from RW sources these days, I have to be aware of what frame are they constructing with what they choose to report.

that WSJ piece has already been debunked

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:01:27pm

re: #142 Thanos

Yes, but like most modern Terror groups HAMAS understands the value of good PR. So they are also a charitable org, with bonafide community outreach and support wings — but like dealing with the devil or the godfather that charity comes with an obligation. This is why the average Palestinian is a fence sitter when it comes to HAMAS, and will publicly support them because ATM HAMAS is in charge. This because they displanted the PLO/FATAH corrupt strongmen that preceded them with their version of control through outreach and terror.

I’m picturing Arafat on a “Do you miss me yet” billboard. I don’t miss him.

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:02:51pm

re: #145 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

I’m picturing Arafat on a “Do you miss me yet” billboard. I don’t miss him.

I don’t think anyone does.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:05:30pm

re: #145 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

Went to Christmas midnight mass with him in Bethlehem. He was surprisingly short.

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wrenchwench  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:08:39pm
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sagehen  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:09:40pm

re: #139 Nojay UK

It’s so long ago it’s difficult to really know who did what back then since it’s unlikely anyone wrote down what they were doing. It wouldn’t be the last time that a supposedly-compliant tool turned in the hand of its wielder though.

cough*Taliban/BinLaden*cough

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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:09:47pm

What’s up with all the deleted posts?

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:11:18pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Went to Christmas midnight mass with him in Bethlehem. He was surprisingly short.

One where he was speaking, or as his date?

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Decatur Deb  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:12:38pm

re: #151 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

One where he was speaking, or as his date?

He was just visiting. His wife was Christian, then converted.

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:13:03pm

Israel will kill the tik tok brigade just as easily as Ukraine has.

Mastodon

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:14:25pm

re: #153 darthstar

Israel will kill the tik tok brigade just as easily as Ukraine has.

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That is, if the Palestinians don’t kill them first.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:16:51pm

re: #154 darthstar

That is, if the Palestinians don’t kill them first.

If he’s not all talk on this topic. This will fall apart by stage 3 if it gets past stage 1.

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Jay C  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:30:14pm

re: #153 darthstar

re: #155 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

If he’s not all talk on this topic. This will fall apart by stage 3 if it gets past stage 1.

Semi-misleading headline on the linked article; in the body, it says:

Ramzan Kadyrov, head of the Chechen Republic and the Kremlin’s close ally, has called for the end of the war between Israel and Hamas and said that he was prepared to head a peacekeeping mission to Palestine.

Hence the “semi-“: though it’s kinda hard to imagine a gang of Chechen fighters “keeping peace” anywhere…..

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Nerdy Fish  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:31:33pm

PERSONAL UPDATE

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JC1  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:33:03pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

I sincerely hope the idea of nuking Gaza is not being seriously discussed.

Wouldn’t winds just blow the fallout onto Israel?

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:33:13pm

re: #157 Nerdy Fish

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:33:39pm

re: #157 Nerdy Fish

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CleverToad  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:34:14pm

re: #157 Nerdy Fish

PERSONAL UPDATE

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retired cynic  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:35:15pm

re: #143 danarchy

If I recall correctly, hamas was voted into power by the people in the gaza strip. Wether they could remove them the same way is doubtful, but they are not merely a terrorist group, they are the elected representatives.

I don’t think (sure might be wrong!) that there has been any kind of recent election. But they have used both the carrot and the stick.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:37:36pm
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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:41:04pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:41:30pm

re: #158 JC1

Wouldn’t winds just blow the fallout onto Israel?

Yes.

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jeffreyw  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:42:56pm
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Ace Rothstein  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:43:36pm

IIRC, in his last week or two in office, didn’t Clinton broker a deal that offered Arafish 90% of what he wanted, and Arafish said fuck off?

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Nojay UK  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:44:10pm

re: #149 sagehen

cough*Taliban/BinLaden*cough

The Taliban didn’t really care about or particularly support the rich Saudi nutter Osama Bin Laden and his crazypants Wahhabi followers. They did care about the remittance money his family sent him. See also the Pakistani regional authorities in the north who looked after him when he was driven out of the eastern mountains of Afghanistan after the invasion in 2002. They weren’t doing it because they liked the guy.

The Laden family were a contender to rule what we know call Saudi Arabia after the Sykes-Picot carve-up of the Middle East a century ago but the house of ibn-Saud got the nod instead. The Ladens are mega-rich, mostly from construction IIRC and still influential in Saudi Arabia as long as they are careful not to oppose the ibn-Saud family or get involved in politics. The family head did have to publicly denounce their wayward son but the money still flowed.

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wrenchwench  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:44:58pm

re: #164 Backwoods Sleuth

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Snek birb.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:45:08pm

re: #158 JC1

Wouldn’t winds just blow the fallout onto Israel?

The Nevada Test Site is 65 miles from Las Vegas. Didn’t stop us.
en.wikipedia.org

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TarHellion  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:45:26pm

re: #157 Nerdy Fish

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:50:23pm

On a much happier note is anyone besides me watching items on amazon for the big Prime Day sales?

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TarHellion  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:51:09pm

re: #164 Backwoods Sleuth

Owls are just freaking cool. Imagine having binocular night vision and the ability to turn your head 270 degrees.

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The Ghost of a Flea  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:52:04pm

re: #142 Thanos

Yes, but like most modern Terror groups HAMAS understands the value of good PR. So they are also a charitable org, with bonafide community outreach and support wings — but like dealing with the devil or the godfather their “charity” comes with an obligation. This is why the average Palestinian is a fence sitter when it comes to HAMAS, and will publicly support them because ATM HAMAS is in charge. This because they displanted the PLO/FATAH corrupt strongmen that preceded them with their version of control through outreach and terror.

It’s not just PR, it’s strategic to perform the functions of government if you’re trying to replace the government.

People have basic needs that politics exists to smooth the logistics of; most people assent to governance not because of a big central idea but because a very basic transaction of survival: compliance for lessened struggle to survive. Anybody—fanatics, gangs, cult leaders—that provides utility that the formal “state” fails to accrues recognition and tolerance.

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Thanos  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:52:39pm

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

It’s not just PR, it’s strategic to perform the functions of government if you’re trying to replace the government.

People have basic needs that politics exists to smooth the logistics of; most people assent to governance not because of a big central idea but because a very basic transaction of survival: compliance for lessened struggle to survive. Anybody—fanatics, gangs, cult leaders—that provides utility that the formal “state” fails to accrues recognition and tolerance.

Exactly.

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JC1  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:53:34pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

The Nevada Test Site is 65 miles from Las Vegas. Didn’t stop us.
en.wikipedia.org

But it wasn’t directly upwind.

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nines09  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:56:52pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

The Nevada Test Site is 65 miles from Las Vegas. Didn’t stop us.
en.wikipedia.org

You have to remember the effects of the radiation were unknown until after the bombs were dropped. The fallout was not anticipated. Hell they had audiences with goggles on watching tests.

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BeenHereAwhile  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:58:06pm

re: #164 Backwoods Sleuth

With a teeny wingspan of barely 2 feet, but legs that go ALL the way up, this is the Burrowing Owl!

Caution, Owl at 12 O’Clock.

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Decatur Deb  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:59:45pm

re: #177 nines09

Last aboveground test was in 1962.

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Nojay UK  Oct 9, 2023 • 2:59:52pm

re: #176 JC1

Utah was the recipient of a lot of the fallout from various above-ground tests in the Nevada Proving Grounds. Isotopes such as strontium-90 were certainly detectable in ground soil samples taken in southern Utah in the early 2000s. I don’t know of any more recent tests and reports. Saying that science is very VERY good at detecting and categorising radioactive materials, even in minute amounts. A lot of Government money was put into the problem starting in late 1945, I can’t think why. /s

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:00:40pm

re: #178 BeenHereAwhile

You are not kidding when you say 12 o’clock. He is right at the top.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:00:52pm

re: #1 retired cynic

When I was a programmer I put a sign on my office door that said, “Mad Scientist At Work. Trespassers Will Be Experimented Upon.”

Management told me to take it down very quickly. I’m still confused as to the reason why.

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austin_blue  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:01:16pm

re: #178 BeenHereAwhile

Caution, Owl at 12 O’Clock.

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Barred owl.

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nines09  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:03:00pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

Last aboveground test was in 1962.

Then they went immediately into space. You remember the Strontium 90 counts in milk as a child? The charts showing the fallout from space detonations? I do.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:03:38pm

re: #157 Nerdy Fish

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:04:31pm

re: #176 JC1

But it wasn’t directly upwind.

but screw those living things downwind…

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:04:47pm

I taught in a variety of positions in a small private college in the Wabash region. It had a hiking path down to an old defunct quarry that I used to run a couple of times a week. One time I was doing pretty well in my pace when I had this weird peripheral sight and just stopped and backed up. I looked over and there was this huge owl on a branch next to the trail at about eye level. I think we looked at each other for a full 2 or 3 minutes before I started my run again.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:04:48pm

re: #11 Dave In Austin

Doesn’t Rep. Duarte realize that won’t fly because the Freedumb Caucus, and many others in the GQP, will refuse to do anything to help Teh Joos!!1!!

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Decatur Deb  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:05:56pm

re: #186 Backwoods Sleuth

but screw those living things downwind…

We bombed Japan twice. We bombed ourselves a couple hundred times.

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steve_davis  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:08:02pm

re: #146 Nerdy Fish

I don’t think anyone does.

Arafat could have had basically everything the Palestinians dreamed of having. It was right there. He just needed to sign a piece of paper at Camp David. And he could not do it. Palestinians are more interested in the grudge than they are in a recognized nation-state.

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:09:18pm

re: #21 Joe Bacon ✅

Meanwhile in the Soviet Of Texas the Party Purges and Trials commence.

Ken Paxton to file criminal complaints against Texas House impeachment managers

rawstory.com

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said Monday he plans to file criminal complaints against the group of state representatives who led the impeachment against him for releasing his personal information.

“The impeachment managers clearly have a desire to threaten me with harm when they released this information last week,” he said in a statement. “I’m imploring their local prosecutors in each individual district to investigate the criminal offenses that have been committed.”

The 12 House representatives being targeted by Paxton led the impeachment trial in the Senate after the House overwhelmingly voted to impeach Paxton in May. Last month the Senate acquitted Paxton of 16 articles of impeachment that alleged corruption and bribery.

In a statement Monday, Paxton accused the House impeachment managers of violating a new state law with an Oct. 2 release of documents related to the case. The new legislation cited by Paxton prohibits posting an individual’s personal information such as a home address or telephone number with the intent to cause harm to that individual or their family.

Paxton said he plans to file the criminal complaints in each of the eight counties represented by the dozen impeachment managers. It is not clear which address is in question. Several of Paxton’s addresses are available through already-published public records, often found online from any location through local municipalities’ appraisal district databases.

House lawyer Rusty Hardin, who prosecuted Paxton, said Monday that the documents released last week contained the same information that was included in other documents that had already been filed or were admitted into the impeachment trial without objection.

He also said that the information about Paxton’s residence is available through public records, and has been for years. Further, he said the release of documents was not conducted with an intent to cause harm to Paxton as he alleged — it was “simply a repeat of public information to anyone that wants to look into it.”

If Paxton makes good on his pledge to file the criminal complaints, Hardin said his Houston law firm will consider countering with a criminal complaint against Paxton for making a false report to police.

“This is the exact kind of bullying, uninformed vengeful act that we predicted if the attorney general was not impeached,” Hardin said. “He’s trying to misuse the criminal justice system to cower and punish people who sought to impeach him under the law. It’s just one more outrageous, vengeful act by a man who has no business being attorney general.”

Texas has been turning into a tin pot style Pinochet dictatorship for decades now. The crying and tears about “low energy senile” Biden somehow also being a clever and savvy persecutor of Conservatives all along has been projection of Republican desires to violently go after liberals and political opponents.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:10:59pm
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Nojay UK  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:11:02pm

re: #177 nines09

You have to remember the effects of the radiation were unknown until after the bombs were dropped. The fallout was not anticipated. Hell they had audiences with goggles on watching tests.

Nope, the scientists already knew there would be radioactive isotopes from the explosion and they’d be spread widely due to wind. They didn’t think the health effects of fallout would be particularly damaging and generally they were right. This was a world of cars that burned tetra-ethyl lead straight out the exhaust pipe, cigarette smoking was universal and there were a lot of things that would poison and kill you already.

There’s a conspiracy-adjacent “theory” that radioactive contamination was promoted as being super-dangerous in the early 1950s by a research scientist (Miller? I can’t recall immediately) who was working with fruit flies, mutating them with various doses or radiation. He got the idea that if he convinced the world that nuclear radiation was incredibly dangerous that all countries would stop building nuclear weapons so his research results were tweaked and used as proof of how dangerous radioactive fallout would be.

The result was not to stop bombs being built but it put a serious crimp on the development of civilian power reactors instead, resulting in several more decades of coal-burning power stations and millions of subsequent deaths due to air pollution and acid rain.

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retired cynic  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:11:38pm

re: #190 steve_davis

Arafat could have had basically everything the Palestinians dreamed of having. It was right there. He just needed to sign a piece of paper at Camp David. And he could not do it. Palestinians are more interested in the grudge than they are in a recognized nation-state.

Arafat and his supporters were, for sure. I have to believe there is a majority of Palestinians in Gaza who just want it all to STOP!

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(((Archangel1)))  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:11:47pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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I see them, but “changed forever”? Nah, reverts back to squares within seconds for me…

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sagehen  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:12:33pm

re: #190 steve_davis

Arafat could have had basically everything the Palestinians dreamed of having. It was right there. He just needed to sign a piece of paper at Camp David. And he could not do it. Palestinians are more interested in the grudge than they are in a recognized nation-state.

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:12:44pm
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Romantic Heretic  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:13:58pm

re: #190 steve_davis

Let’s face it. There will never, ever be peace in the Middle East because too many people on all sides don’t want peace. They want victory.

Which is a different thing all together.

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jeffreyw  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:15:38pm

re: #184 nines09

Then they went immediately into space. You remember the Strontium 90 counts in milk as a child? The charts showing the fallout from space detonations? I do.

I remember my Mom saying we couldn’t make snow ice cream because of the Strontium 90. Before the A bomb testing all we had to worry about was yellow snow.

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retired cynic  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:16:26pm

At the Water’s Edge
The myth of America First
marytrump.substack.com

As Senator Arthur Vandenburg (R-MI) once said, “politics stops at the water’s edge.” This was in 1948 during negotiations over the formation of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Vandenburg recognized that, in order for the United States to play a meaningful and influential role on the international scene, the government needed to present a unified, bi-partisan front.

In more recent times, Republicans have not been stopped from publicly and loudly undermining the authority of Democratic presidents. In 2015, a group of Republicans, led by the execrable Tom Cotton (R-Sedition), wrote a letter to leaders in Iran warning against negotiating a nuclear deal with President Obama. (To be clear, this deal, which resulted in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), was meant to curtail Iran’s ability to produce nuclear weapons.) In response, then Senator Harry Reid said, “Let’s be very clear: Republicans are undermining our commander-in-chief while empowering the ayatollahs.”

In the aftermath of the horrific terrorist attacks committed by Hamas over the weekend, Republicans were quick to claim that Biden had helped fund these attacks by unfreezing $6 billion in Iranian assets as part of a deal to secure the release of five American hostages. The funds were transferred from South Korea to Qatar and can only be used for humanitarian purposes. According to Secretary of State Antony Blinken, not one dollar of this money has yet been spent.

This false attack against the Biden administration comes after months of many House Republicans repeatedly siding with Vladimir Putin in his illegal war against Ukraine. (As if it needs to be said, Ukraine is our ally and Russia is our enemy—it’s really not that complicated.)

It’s time, then, for the Democratic majority to take the gloves off. If the rules as they currently exist are this wildly unfair and damaging to our very fragile democracy, change them or break them.

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:17:10pm

Adrian Belew talks about why he moved to Champaign-Urbana in the early ’80s and confirms a story I’ve told here before: I played volleyball with him in Carle Park right across from his house one Sunday (invited by a mutual friend).

Out of Nowhere (Part 5) Adrian Belew

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retired cynic  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:24:55pm

Rolls-Royce Spectre review: The magic carpet goes electric
countrylife.co.uk

Specialising in cars so smooth you won’t spill your Champagne, Rolls-Royce was born for the all-electric market — and the Spectre is well worth the two-year wait, says Toby Keel.
Rolls-Royce Spectre: On The Road
Power: Equivalent to 584bhp, 900Nm torque
0-60mph: 4.4 seconds
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Electric range: 329 miles (WLTP)
Charging speed: 10%-80% in 34 minutes on a 195kW charger
Price: from £330,000

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Barefoot Grin  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:25:07pm

re: #201 Barefoot Grin

Adrian Belew talks about why he moved to Champaign-Urbana in the early ’80s and confirms a story I’ve told here before: I played volleyball with him in Carle Park right across from his house one Sunday (invited by a mutual friend).

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Also, I had been a busboy at a restaurant about a block away from a rehearsal space that King Crimson was using but was in Japan as an exchange student. A friend from the restaurant sent me a CC of a Robert Fripp credit card (when you used to make multiple copies): he wrote: “to you from the man of too many notes.”

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nines09  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:26:43pm

re: #193 Nojay UK

They knew/thought radiation wasn’t necessarily a good thing, but not a big deal.
Recall the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who had sickness not seen before, and the people who came to help also died at that time in mysterious ways.
If they knew anything they closed rank and said nothing.

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PhillyPretzel ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:27:25pm

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Vicious Babushka  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:30:09pm

...

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:32:21pm

Mastodon

what was his first clue?

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:32:37pm
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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:34:40pm

re: #207 Backwoods Sleuth

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what was his first clue?

I had to Google his name. He may not have gotten his message out there.

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Nojay UK  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:39:40pm

re: #204 nines09

They knew/thought radiation wasn’t necessarily a good thing, but not a big deal.
Recall the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki who had sickness not seen before, and the people who came to help also died at that time in mysterious ways.
If they knew anything they closed rank and said nothing.

Ummm, no. Radiation is not something most people really understand or can easily grasp. There are a lot of fanciful made-up stories and outright lies about its effects and people believe them for some reason, maybe because it’s scary? I say once again, Godzilla movies are not real.

For a nuclear explosion or accident the most worrisome release in the fallout is Iodine-131. It lasts long enough to be noticeable with a half-life of just over eight days, it’s a common product of the so-called “M-curve” of fission isotopes (basically, isotopes with atomic numbers close to half that of a U-235 atom) and it collects in the human thyroid. We know now how to treat that and the longer-term solution to I-131 fallout is cheese. Really.

A lot of I-131 intake in humans after the Tchernobyl disasters was due to drinking milk from cows that had taken up noticeable amounts of I-131 from eating grass. If the milk had been sequestered, made into cheese and left to mature for a couple of months before consumption nearly all of the I-131 would have decayed and it would not have concentrated in the thyroid. Since the Soviet authorities didn’t take this simple step about forty people died from preventable thyroid cancers. Yes, forty people, not forty thousand people.

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JC1  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:42:12pm

re: #190 steve_davis

Arafat could have had basically everything the Palestinians dreamed of having. It was right there. He just needed to sign a piece of paper at Camp David. And he could not do it. Palestinians are more interested in the grudge than they are in a recognized nation-state.

Didn’t Bill Clinton say that it became apparent to him that Arafat didn’t have the backing/juice to actually have the Palestinians stick by the agreement? Maybe Clinton was just being diplomatic/charitable.

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JC1  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:43:08pm

re: #198 Romantic Heretic

Let’s face it. There will never, ever be peace in the Middle East because too many people on all sides don’t want peace. They want victory.

Which is a different thing all together.

Same could have been said about Europe for centuries.

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Belafon  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:46:44pm

re: #194 retired cynic

Arafat and his supporters were, for sure. I have to believe there is a majority of Palestinians in Gaza who just want it all to STOP!

The Palestinians are in the same boat that those in North Mexico are, and as those in areas of US cities that were controlled by mob bosses. The government, for whatever its worth, wasn’t supplying the basic necessities, so cartels and mobs stepped in. You got what you needed, as long as you didn’t step out of line, and if you did, you got dead.

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:50:27pm

Well, Trump can breathe a sigh of relief tonight…

Mastodon

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Florida Panhandler  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:53:18pm

Just a reminder, “free market” Republicans don’t like it when Capitalists cater to non-whites.

Texas Government efforts gearing up against a Hispanic community being built near Houston.
yahoo.com

So much for “free market” types. It was and has always been a lie. A big FUCKING LIE.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:54:02pm

re: #215 Florida Panhandler

The developer is a big contributor to Abbott, too.

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Romantic Heretic  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:55:35pm

re: #212 JC1

Yeah. The Middle East bears a remarkable resemblance to Europe about 1400.

And considering countries like Hungary, Poland, and Russia history may not be over yet.

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:55:41pm
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Charmingly Persistent  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:56:10pm

re: #198 Romantic Heretic

Let’s face it. There will never, ever be peace in the Middle East because too many people on all sides don’t want peace. They want victory.

Which is a different thing all together.

I hope you are wrong. I used to think that about Ireland, but it changed. Enough of the right people were willing to compromise at the right time

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nines09  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:56:21pm

re: #210 Nojay UK

All I know is what I read from the history of what the survivors of the atomic bomb in Japan endured. And nobody can gauge what was done from atomic blasts in space.
Rumor was John Wayne and a few other actors got cancer from being downrange of testing filming in Nevada,
But we don’t know do we?
That is what I was attempting to say.
Nobody knew what would happen once it was done.
Life is coming back to Chernobyl, but humans still will not be able to live there for quite a while.
A lab and the real world are 2 different places.

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jaunte  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:57:14pm

re: #215 Florida Panhandler

Another story I read about this latest hispanic-panic interviewed a resident who told them the stories of excessive crime in the neighborhood were wrong in his opinion; he thought the main crime in the area was the high property taxes.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:58:24pm

After this attack, I’m finding it almost impossible to hold on to any remaining goodwill/sympathy I’ve had for the Palestinians. And I hate this feeling.

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silverdolphin  Oct 9, 2023 • 3:59:56pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:00:52pm

re: #222 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s difficult to see terrorists and right-wing Israeli governments in an ever-escalating cycle of violence.

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sizzzzlerz  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:02:00pm

re: #184 nines09

Then they went immediately into space. You remember the Strontium 90 counts in milk as a child? The charts showing the fallout from space detonations? I do.

On a YouTube video I was watching a few days ago, I learned that the US detonated a nuclear explosion below ground in western Colorado in 1973 in an attempt to release natural gas and oil. Sort of an early version of fracking. It seems that the test was successful in that gas and oil were extracted, however, it was useless because it was (wait for it) radioactive. A couple more tests were performed before the idea was abandoned.

Apparently, the ground around the test site does not exhibit higher than normal levels of radioactivity. Perhaps because it was deep and the explosion was relatively small, about 40 kT?

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Backwoods Sleuth  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:03:42pm

re: #222 GlutenFreeJesus

After this attack, I’m finding it almost impossible to hold on to any remaining goodwill/sympathy I’ve had for the Palestinians. And I hate this feeling.

I’m not blaming the everyday Palestinians for Hamas any more than I blame woke Americans for the GOP and tfg.

YMMV

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William Lewis  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:04:00pm

re: #170 Decatur Deb

The Nevada Test Site is 65 miles from Las Vegas. Didn’t stop us.
en.wikipedia.org

Atomic Tests Were a Tourist Draw in 1950s Las Vegas

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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:05:12pm

re: #225 sizzzzlerz

I wouldn’t expect a below-ground nuclear bomb test to significantly affect surface radioactivity (as long as the blast itself is contained). Nuclear radiation doesn’t have magic penetration or teleportation abilities.

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goddamnedfrank  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:05:32pm
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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:06:25pm

Back after getting my Covid booster.

And now for the latest of the Georgia 19 Follies!

Trump co-defendant blows shot at plea deal by sharing aim to be ex-president’s rep

Former publicist for Kanye West-turned Trump co-defendant Trevian Kutti claimed Monday she will be Donald Trump’s next press secretary in a now-deleted social media post, The Messenger reported.

“I look forward to redeeming Black women in politics by becoming Press Secretary to the 47th President of the United States @realDonaldTrump,” Kutti wrote on X (formerly Twitter).

In a similar post on Instagram, Kutti added the caption, “I’m protected.” That post has also since been deleted.

Kutti has pleaded not guilty to felony charges in Georgia in connection to efforts to overturn the 2020 election results in the state. The case is part of the 41-count Fulton County grand jury indictment against Trump and 18 other co-defendants.

Experts say her comments could make it difficult for Kutti to strike a plea deal with prosecutors.

“It certainly doesn’t help her case if she testifies,” said Georgia trial lawyer and former RICO prosecutor Chris Timmons. “It adds bias if you think you’re going to get a position in the Trump administration.”

“The other thing is I wouldn’t offer her a deal if she claims she’s going to be press secretary… that’s the biggest thing there,” he said, adding that for Trump “it could be witness tampering, but you’d have to prove it’s an exchange for testimony.”

themessenger.com

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:06:40pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

Sometimes nobody gives a shit what Drake says.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:09:38pm
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EPR-radar  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:09:44pm

re: #227 William Lewis

That was at the very height of the cold war, and I suspect that concern over the effect of fallout from tests was a minor public issue compared to the desire of the US public (in the middle of one of its worst red scares) to see authorities “doing something” about the Soviet menace.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:10:23pm

Ari never got over flunking his audition for The Beastie Boys 😏

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nines09  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:10:46pm

re: #223 silverdolphin

The NHL has banned Pride Tape, creating its own ‘Don’t Say Gay’ policy

The NHL. Only for straight, white bigots.

Gary Bettman is a gigantic asshole, and the NHL has been it’s own worst enemy since day 1.
I love hockey. Been a fan since the 60’s. Played in a beer league.
Brilliant.

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sagehen  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:17:01pm

re: #215 Florida Panhandler

Just a reminder, “free market” Republicans don’t like it when Capitalists cater to non-whites.

Texas Government efforts gearing up against a Hispanic community being built near Houston.
yahoo.com

So much for “free market” types. It was and has always been a lie. A big FUCKING LIE.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:20:02pm

re: #223 silverdolphin

The NHL has banned Pride Tape, creating its own ‘Don’t Say Gay’ policy

The NHL. Only for straight, white bigots.

I read the whole story. They’re also banning other specialty warm-up jerseys like Black History Month, Hispanic Heritage, Women’s History Month. Hockey is not for everyone.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:21:08pm

re: #208 Backwoods Sleuth

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mmmirele  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:24:34pm

re: #193 Nojay UK

The result was not to stop bombs being built but it put a serious crimp on the development of civilian power reactors instead, resulting in several more decades of coal-burning power stations and millions of subsequent deaths due to air pollution and acid rain.

Umm, the people of southern Utah (and Utah in general) would like to have a chat with you. Cancers skyrocketed in the region and there’s a real feeling from the locals that their patriotism was abused in the name of nuclear tests.

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darthstar  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:27:28pm

re: #232 DodgerFan1988

Well, his daddy’s ruby mines didn’t dig themselves

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:31:55pm

re: #241 darthstar

Well, his daddy’s ruby mines didn’t dig themselves

When my FIL was in business he had some dealings with a South African company. He was evaluating their creditworthiness for a large piece of machinery. On their balance sheets they listed one line for labor and a separate line for “the cost of blacks”. He wouldn’t do business with them.

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DodgerFan1988  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:43:45pm

re: #241 darthstar

You can take Elon Musk out of Apartheid South Africa, but you can’t take out Apartheid South Africa out of Elon Musk.

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austin_blue  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:47:38pm

re: #213 Belafon

The Palestinians are in the same boat that those in North Mexico are, and as those in areas of US cities that were controlled by mob bosses. The government, for whatever its worth, wasn’t supplying the basic necessities, so cartels and mobs stepped in. You got what you needed, as long as you didn’t step out of line, and if you did, you got dead.

Israelis, too.

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🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:49:08pm

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

I posted that here, recorded myself, but it didn’t display well.

re: #217 🐈 Crush White Nationalism 🐈

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austin_blue  Oct 9, 2023 • 4:55:07pm

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Video

Heartbreaking.

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Joe Bacon ✅  Oct 9, 2023 • 5:04:36pm

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

tears…tears…tears…


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