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1 TDG2112  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 12:47:47pm

The Chinese don't even have a jet that can take off or land on the Carrier yet. They've been training pilots on a concrete strip on land, but calling it a "show of force" when they haven't even launched a single plane, let alone landed one, from this platform is a bit much.

The Chinese themselves have called this ship experimental and for research purposes only. They are surely planning to use it to learn carrier operations and to design their own carrier.

The other thing about this vessel is that when the Russians had it, it was for defending their fleet assets only. In fact the one they still have (same class) is still operated that way, air cover only.

Also note, the J-15 Fighter that is under development for this Carrier is not expected to be put into production until 2016. ([Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

This is an important step for China into building a deep water navy, but the vessel itself is not of much tactical use as yet. I suppose they could put 40 or 50 Helicopters on it for ASW operations, and it has a pretty good air defense setup, but at 60,000 tons it is a bit overkill for doing the same work of a handful of good 8000 ton guided missile destroyers are for, and lacking the ship killing component (the Russian version has SSMs and other weapons, but China wanted more hangar space).

2 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 2:19:10pm

re: #1 TDG2112

2 other things this ship could do:

1. Air Defense: The Russians designed the Liaoning originally with a fairly formidable air defense capacity. That could aid other ships by screening them.

2. SS-N-19 Her sister, the Russian Admiral Kuznetsov, mounts SS-N-19 Granit Anti-Ship missiles. The Chinese haven't mentioned if Liaoning still carries those. If she does, then her ability to strike other ships would be formidable.

3 TDG2112  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 2:43:56pm

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

1. Air Defense: I did mention this. It does have a powerful Air Defense Suite. However, it's a 60,000 ton hull with the air defense capability of an 8000 ton DDG.

2. SS-N-19. I did allude to this, but didn't clearly point out the tubes are sealed. I'm pretty sure I read it in the Wikipedia article on the the carrier.

The article could be wrong, but I suspect it is really nothing more than a training and research platform they are using to figure out how to conduct carrier operations with. This sort of unit is not easy to operate. The fanfare on its commissioning I think is more for public consumption than it is to make Japan or anyone else feel threatened, at least in the near term. Again, big step for China and it's future navy, not so big in the immediate future or for making Japan feel like the Chinese are rattling a saber larger than they already have.

4 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:20:58pm

re: #1 TDG2112

It's a show of force in the longer term, a deliberate strategic signal.

5 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:15:04pm

re: #3 TDG2112

1. Air Defense: I did mention this. It does have a powerful Air Defense Suite. However, it's a 60,000 ton hull with the air defense capability of an 8000 ton DDG.

2. SS-N-19. I did allude to this, but didn't clearly point out the tubes are sealed. I'm pretty sure I read it in the Wikipedia article on the the carrier.

The article could be wrong, but I suspect it is really nothing more than a training and research platform they are using to figure out how to conduct carrier operations with. This sort of unit is not easy to operate. The fanfare on its commissioning I think is more for public consumption than it is to make Japan or anyone else feel threatened, at least in the near term. Again, big step for China and it's future navy, not so big in the immediate future or for making Japan feel like the Chinese are rattling a saber larger than they already have.

China says the tubes are sealed, but I'd not take their word for it.


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