re: #201 freetoken

The minister from UK will, I think, do the last ditch move. One thing that puzzles me is that the Secretary General is there, and it seems to me that he could, if he really wanted to, open up additional proceedings besides the COP15.

This Accord which Obama et. al. negotiated is the first document in 12 years that has had both the US and all the other major nations, including China, agree to, wrt AGW (or anything else that I can think of… the LOTS treaty maybe the other.) It is feared, I suppose, that if this Accord fails then there is little hope of any others.

There are some here who might cheer that, but I believe in the end it is better to try to do something than nothing.

Looking at it from their position it seems rather foolish to take a hard stand. Unless they have ulterior motives but that would only be limited to the oil producing nations like Uganda, Saudi Arabia, China, et al, who really don’t give a damn. The other poor nations stands to benefit from the proposed 100 billion dollar funding pot.

And like you state it could be the first joint document including the US in 12 years. It’s a step in the right direction towards something where nothing is being done at present time. And by nothing I mean zero, zilch, nada. It’s almost like they want to “take their toys and go home.”

Otherwise, I think people on the anti-AGW side would like to see this fail. So in a way, the alleged pro-AGW delegates at this meeting who do not want a compromise would be handing the anti-AGW side a victory.