re: #532 Spar Kling

People also don’t appreciate me calling out Charles for his straw men, which might explain that -3. Such is life, I guess.

Still, LGF is one of my favorite blogs. I also thoroughly enjoy the reasoning on this site, which is where I quoted Bubba from. I’m hazarding a guess that Zacharias’s argument about moral law isn’t new to you.

For all the fans…sorry that this was off-topic in a creation/evolution thread, but I assumed that God and morality are closely tied with the creation/evolution debate. Sorry. I hate making assumptions.

Juante, welcome to the discussion. You are mistaken about Bubba’s quote. A straw man attacks an individual, and taken as a whole that quote attacks a world view. No straw man there. Nice try with the dodge, though.

Sharmuta, yes, Bubba used reason. You are not the sole possessor of that tool. He reasons that if indeed we are all random bags of chemical processes then there is reason to doubt the conclusions of our own minds. Is that testable? Is that based on evidence? No. Of course not. That doesn’t require that you discard the statement because you cannot test it. Here’s another one of Bubba’s ideas:

Can one prove that only empirical evidence is trustworthy? Better yet, can one prove this by using only empirical evidence?

You are correct when you say that my world view is black and white. There are some things I am unsure of and still question. Of course, this doesn’t fit with the box several here have placed me in (a fanatic, a maroon etc) but nevertheless as I grow in my understanding of God and His creation these questions are answered. I once was an agnostic but have been moved to being a Christian after several years of following reason and evidence for Jesus.

Haverwilde, ok. Lets move to Creation/Evolution. Build for me a self-replicating machine through unguided processes. It doesn’t have to be biological, either. Then have others in a different location observe it to happen to confirm your results. What’s that? You haven’t done that/can’t do that? Oh. I thought this was about empirical testable knowledge that the facts ‘prove’.

Charles, I think SK is saying with that Solzhenitsyn quote is adversity is a blessing, and irrationality can come from any side of the creationist/evolutionist spectrum. I don’t think he was claiming to be Solzhenitsyn. Merely saying that you can be good or experience good anywhere you find yourself to be, as it is a choice we all make.