re: #502 Thanos

If you are truly supportive of the goals you want then you need to understand that capitalism is a primal force of human nature, that it’s part of our social evolution, and if we can’t do most of this through free market initiatives then it’s going to fail due to national interests among other things.

Don’t deny the reality of the system, use it instead.

The left should be playing up the money that can be made selling clean power systems instead of proposing tariffs and trade wars. Those usually lead to real wars.

I think that both need to hand in hand. I am really not arguing “from the left”. We have the serious issue that as you said capitalism is a driving force. As long as we fund anti green industry, the people who do it will continue to do so. This is particularly true in the case of China where making poison milk to get around even their unbelievably lax standards is the kind of thinking that pervades.

We can not force China and India to get real by any means other than economic.

As to the financial benefits of going green. I have been screaming from teh rooftops here for over a year that yes indeed, not sending billions overseas each year but rather, pumping them into a domestic power industry would of course, ultimately be a boom for our economy.

Think about it. Hundreds of thousands of jobs from the highest tech down to the maintenance people who need to keep the systems running - and this would pay for itself by expanding the economy, increasing tax revenue - without even increasing taxes and oh yes by no longer funding nations that hate us.

It would also make domestic production of other goods more reasonable because ultimately, energy prices must go down.