XKCD: The Revolutionary
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If you don’t read xkcd regularly, why not? It’s one of the smartest comics on the web — and today’s strip is especially timely.
(Hat tip: mikhailtheplumber.)
631 comments
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:12:41pm |
It's a good strip, and it does point out how foolish the Deniers' arguments are.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:18:04pm |
They remind me of Jim's Journal in terms of drawing ability. Except Jim was funnier, but what wold you expect from the co-creator of The Onion?
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djughurknot Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:22:50pm |
The online communities of the Internet, in map form.
I wonder how big LGF's "nation" would be on this map, as compared to RedState, Kos, FARK, or 4chan...
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ignoranceisfatal Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:24:15pm |
re: #1 Sharmuta
Hmm- their next button doesn't work.
I believe that links to future strips, and the strip in question is today's. I'd imagine you've figured that out by now, though.
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laZardo Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:25:42pm |
re: #7 djughurknot
The online communities of the Internet, in map form.
I wonder how big LGF's "nation" would be on this map, as compared to RedState, Kos, FARK, or 4chan...
It'd probably be Israel-sized (per se.) Relatively small, frequently attacked by crazed religious fanatics but very technologically advanced and defended.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:26:21pm |
re: #7 djughurknot
The online communities of the Internet, in map form.
I wonder how big LGF's "nation" would be on this map, as compared to RedState, Kos, FARK, or 4chan...
We would be in the Blogipelago on a football shaped island.
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laZardo Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:28:32pm |
re: #11 Sharmuta
Somewhere in the "Here Be Anthropomorphic Dragons" area.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:28:41pm |
re: #9 ignoranceisfatal
No- I imagined that the "next" button meant there was a next. Thanks for informing me that there is no next.
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lostlakehiker Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:30:21pm |
There are so many beautiful thoughts in some of this series. So many other good zingers. Dinga-ding ding this post. (Guy zoning out at a party and proving some theorem is a good one.)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:32:25pm |
xkcd, Wondermark, Achewood, Penny Arcade, and Dinosaur Comics are among my favorites. I know there's a couple others, they aren't coming to mind at the moment.
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laZardo Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:32:28pm |
Don't forget to hover your mouse over the comics to see a funny subtitle.
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djughurknot Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:33:29pm |
re: #11 Sharmuta
We would be in the Blogipelago on a football shaped island.
Clearly, repelling attacks from the pirates and fleets originating from the Bay of Trolls.
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Cobdenite Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:36:07pm |
I saw this like 10 minutes before Charles posted it. heh
(Must fight "was first" syndrome...)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:36:16pm |
Pictures For Sad Children! Often grim to the point of absurdity. I love it.
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affenkopf Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:36:25pm |
Title text: "I mean, what's more likely -- that I have uncovered fundamental flaws in this field that no one in it has ever thought about, or that I need to read a little more? Hint: it's the one that involves less work."
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:38:55pm |
re: #22 WindUpBird
Yeah- comics about suicide are really fucking hilarious.
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abolitionist Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:39:03pm |
Lessons in revolution, via YouTube
Excerpt:
They have good reason to listen. Thirty years ago, as a young revolutionary, he helped to topple the Shah, putting today’s Islamic regime in power and working as a speechwriter for its founding father, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Sazegara was one of the founders of the Revolutionary Guard. Now he is teaching protesters how to tackle the force.“In one part of my life I was involved in creating something; now, after 30 years, I’m trying to destroy it,” he said.
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srjh Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:40:55pm |
Love it...
xkcd's definitely my favourite webcomic out there at the moment, and don't forget to hover over the images with your mouse (although it looks like others have covered that already).
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:41:13pm |
re: #24 Sharmuta
Yeah- comics about suicide are really fucking hilarious.
Sorry, I'm a big fan of gallows humor and black comedy, always will be. And I'm someone who has been in close familial proximity with an alphabet soup of mental illnesses and self-destructive behavior.
(come to think of it, that may be why I like grim humor)
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laZardo Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:41:35pm |
re: #24 Sharmuta
It takes an utter lack of an appreciation for life to find the comics hilarious.
Which must explain why I almost needed a new keyboard. :D
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djughurknot Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:41:35pm |
Sometimes, you really have to wonder about online discussions...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:42:04pm |
re: #28 laZardo
It takes an utter lack of an appreciation for life to find the comics hilarious.
Which must explain why I almost needed a new keyboard. :D
heeheehee we are deeply broken people ^_^
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:43:19pm |
re: #28 laZardo
You should find the last thread a real laugh riot then.
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SixDegrees Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:43:27pm |
I've read this strip before. It's occasionally worthwhile. On a regular basis, not so much. This one's not bad, which probably indicates a dry spell coming up.
And I don't understand why the bother with the drawings at all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:43:42pm |
Also, Heathers is one of my favorite films, and no less than three of my favorite albums are concept records about death and the afterlife.
/therapist should probably be on speed-dial
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:43:46pm |
re: #25 abolitionist
Lessons in revolution, via YouTube
Excerpt:
I have to give Sazegara credit. It's no easy thing to admit you have taken the wrong path, and then try to put it right in the way he is taking.
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Bagua Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:45:21pm |
re: #27 WindUpBird
Sorry, I'm a big fan of gallows humor and black comedy, always will be. And I'm someone who has been in close familial proximity with an alphabet soup of mental illnesses and self-destructive behavior.
(come to think of it, that may be why I like grim humor)
Are you on a mission to spread mental illness because you find it amusing?
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:45:49pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
You must have thought Rush Limbaugh was a real hoot when he told that liberal environmentalist to kill himself, huh?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:46:34pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I think you should back off, WUB. You've hit a nerve.
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Cugel Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:47:37pm |
re: #2 Dark_Falcon
It's a good strip, and it does point out how foolish the Deniers' arguments are.
I think the true art of the cartoonist is to make the viewer think the artist sees the world in a fashion sympathetic or aligned to the viewer.
Any viewer.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:48:30pm |
re: #31 Sharmuta
Suicide isn't funny.
The problem with saying something is not funny, is I can point to dozens of examples of said unfunny subject in stand-up comedy or film or cartoons that have had me laughing myself into a dizzy spell. No subject by itself is really grounds for comedy as an inert thing, but a great comic can examine uncomfortable subjects in a way that they become funny. If you say a subject isn't funny, you close off your exposure of satire to examine it. Like, say... racism. Racism isn't funny? Chris Rock. Dave Chappelle.
I don't really choose what I fund funny, I just...find stuff funny!
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Clemente Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:48:36pm |
"...what's the email address for the president of physics?"
physicsczar(at)whitehouse.gov? Or maybe by now we have a barackobama.gov domain... Possibly even physicsczarknows.howyoushouldthink(at)letmebeclear.bho, if things have reached their proper order...
/sour outlook tonight
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:49:41pm |
re: #36 Bagua
Are you on a mission to spread mental illness because you find it amusing?
Wasn't that the plot of a Bond film?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:50:21pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
I think you should back off, WUB. You've hit a nerve.
Maybe I have. But I've done my time in the ER as well.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:50:41pm |
re: #41 WindUpBird
I can only hope you never experience the pain of being a survivor of suicide. Maybe if you were, you wouldn't find it so funny.
Why don't you go to the thread downstairs and laugh at dying Africans next?
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:51:35pm |
re: #44 WindUpBird
Maybe I have. But I've done my time in the ER as well.
Clearly that excuses you from human decency then.
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laZardo Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:51:43pm |
re: #43 WindUpBird
Nah, that was Get Smart. No, wait...that was the mission to spread nudity.
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Bagua Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:53:16pm |
re: #43 WindUpBird
Wasn't that the plot of a Bond film?
You link to a comic that shows a teacher holding a gun to her head in front of class, then justify it based upon your strangeness and then expect us to be pleased with your "sense of humour"?
I think you are simply trying to be shocking and controversial for some other personal motivation.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:53:45pm |
A number of years ago, we had a suicide letter posted here at LGF...
We all laughed our asses off, obviously, because it was so fucking funny! ///
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Cugel Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:53:49pm |
Suicide isn't funny?
Sure, an actual suicide is no laughing matter, but suicide has been a source of humor for years.
That scene in Heathers where the jock's father sobs, "I love my dead gay son!" is hilarious.
Suicide not funny? Someone needs to tell The New Yorker they shouldn't have published all those cartoons with guys standing on ledges because they just weren't funny.
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Sharmuta Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:55:01pm |
re: #50 Cugel
You're right! Suicide is the height of human comedy!
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Cugel Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:56:35pm |
re: #49 Sharmuta
A number of years ago, we had a suicide letter posted here at LGF...
We all laughed our asses off, obviously, because it was so fucking funny! ///
That's shocking. But how could we all know that?
You have to admit suicide has been a source of humor for sketch shows, films and cartoons for years. As has war, murder, infidelity, gluttony, etc, etc, etc. So that poster's original comment was made in innocence, so how about you cut them some slack?
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Cugel Sun, Dec 13, 2009 11:58:01pm |
re: #51 Sharmuta
You're right! Suicide is the height of human comedy!
What are we mind readers? How about you list everything no one is allowed to make a joke about here and we'll try to respect it. Except religion and creation "science". No one will ever stop me flipping the bird at those two targets.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:00:35am |
And I'm out!
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:00:55am |
re: #52 Cugel
So that poster's original comment was made in innocence, so how about you cut them some slack?
Except he's gone on to justify it rather than apologize for offending anyone.
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:01:24am |
re: #45 Sharmuta
I can only hope you never experience the pain of being a survivor of suicide. Maybe if you were, you wouldn't find it so funny.
Why don't you go to the thread downstairs and laugh at dying Africans next?
Don't tempt me.
/where i hang out, if you post it, it will be hated. I'm guessing that most of the slurs come from people of that same respective ethnic/gender identity though, just for kicks.
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Cugel Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:03:23am |
Hey, when I posted eariler I had no idea there had been an incident here (I hadn't seen that post). I won't apologize for thinking few topics are off-limits for humor in cartoons and fiction, but I won't comment in this thread anymore.
Sorry if I added to anyone's pain - it was not my intention.
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Bagua Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:03:28am |
re: #54 WindUpBird
And I'm out!
Good go, and posting a medical study to backup the weird humour you are pushing on us is absurd. This may help you cope with some of your personal issues, but we are not your support group.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:04:27am |
I don't like any threads tonight. We're getting all heavy over here, and I can't handle the last thread either.
And my stupid final is coming together way too slow.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:05:21am |
re: #53 Cugel
The way it works around here is people speak up when they have an issue, as I have spoken up tonight that I have an issue with comics depicting teachers contemplating suicide in front of their class because I do not find suicide a good source of humor. You disagree, and we've discuss it. That's how it works around here.
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Bagua Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:06:54am |
re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist
Please stick around and help us with a positive topic.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:11:45am |
re: #62 Bagua
Please stick around and help us with a positive topic.
Sorry. It's midnight here, and I need to go to sleep!
Happy dreams all!
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:12:20am |
I shall now proceed to help this thread become more positive by leaving. >_> Got some college projects needs printing out.
BBL.
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abolitionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:12:27am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:13:29am |
re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't like any threads tonight. We're getting all heavy over here, and I can't handle the last thread either.
And my stupid final is coming together way too slow.
What? You like America or something?
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Cugel Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:15:18am |
re: #61 Sharmuta
The way it works around here is people speak up when they have an issue, as I have spoken up tonight that I have an issue with comics depicting teachers contemplating suicide in front of their class because I do not find suicide a good source of humor. You disagree, and we've discuss it. That's how it works around here.
Hey, I get it. I'm up for a debate. It just seemed to be a very personal issue for you and seeing as I have rarely posted here, I didn't want to make a mistake and trip over the Zeitgeist.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:17:19am |
re: #68 Cugel
It's a big board- we can't know whose toes we might be stepping on when we post something, but I think the appropriate thing to do is to apologize when it happens, which I appreciate you doing. You will notice, however, the offender didn't feel the need to be as polite as you.
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Bagua Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:23:07am |
re: #69 Sharmuta
It's a big board- we can't know whose toes we might be stepping on when we post something, but I think the appropriate thing to do is to apologize when it happens, which I appreciate you doing. You will notice, however, the offender didn't feel the need to be as polite as you.
Nope, when he was done winding us up with his edgy humour he slinks away.
Windupbird = WindUpTroll
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:24:07am |
THE BERKELEY MOB IS REVOLTING!!
You already knew that? No, for real this time, complete with torches:
Torch-carrying protesters storm UC Berkeley chancellor's home; 8 arrested
As many as 70 protesters, many carrying torches and smashing windows, attempted to storm UC Berkeley Chancellor Robert Birgeneau's on-campus residence late Friday in a violent act condemned by university officials and student activists alike.
Eight people, including two UC Berkeley students, were arrested on suspicion of rioting, threatening an educational official, attempted burglary, attempted arson, felony vandalism and assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer, the university said.
Some protesters threw incendiary objects at the house in an attack that left the chancellor and his wife fearing for their lives.
The group was apparently protesting student fee hikes and budget cuts. The demonstrators chanted "No justice, no peace," as the chancellor slept. His wife woke him up about 11 p.m.
"These are criminals, not activists," Birgeneau said in a statement Saturday. "The attack at our home was extraordinarily frightening and violent. My wife and I genuinely feared for our lives. The people involved in this action will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I want to emphasize that they represent an extreme minority of our students."
UC Berkeley spokesman Dan Mogulof said it was a "matter of luck" the protesters were unable to break into the home before police scattered most of the crowd. Protesters smashed lights, shattered windows, scattered trash and flipped over planters, Mogulof said.
Whose luck, I wonder? Back in 1992, local "street activist" Rosebud Denovo was shot dead after she succeeded in breaking into the chancellor's residence in the middle of the night.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:26:54am |
re: #70 Bagua
I get dark humor, I do. I think it's good to be able to have a laugh at death from time to time. However, the problem with suicide is different, and I'm not alone in thinking it's not the best source of humor.
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Bagua Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:29:30am |
re: #72 Sharmuta
I agree, he was not attempting to be funny, rather he was giving us a glimpse into his distorted proclivities for the shock value.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:35:57am |
re: #71 Shiplord Kirel
THE BERKELEY MOB IS REVOLTING!!
You already knew that? No, for real this time, complete with torches:
Torch-carrying protesters storm UC Berkeley chancellor's home; 8 arrested
Whose luck, I wonder? Back in 1992, local "street activist" Rosebud Denovo was shot dead after she succeeded in breaking into the chancellor's residence in the middle of the night.
I hope they throw the book at the scum who threw firebombs. That's an act of terrorist in my book. Those responsible for the attack should be tried for all applicable charges. I'd like to see at least one of them convicted of three felonies. Given California's three strikes law, that would put that terrorist away for 15-to-life. 15 years in Pelican Bay sounds about right for an unsuccessful act of terrorism.
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Bagua Mon, Dec 14, 2009 12:48:59am |
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Scriptorium Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:05:57am |
Here in Christchurch, NZ, the paper only carries 3 comic strips, one of which is Zits. Sigh. What's a good online site for good comics? (I just moved here 2 years ago from NorCal.) Oddly, I sometimes wonder what Mary Worth is up to, and the Comics Curmudgeon is a pretty good source for her and Mark Trail--but it's not like reading a whole spread of comics. In color.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:33:46am |
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Scriptorium Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:56:59am |
re: #77 Fenway_Nation
I don't think so--I'm going to look for it. You don't realize until you move away from the Americas what a big gap in the dining-out rotation it is to not have Mexican food restaurants. Indian food takes their place, as does Thai take-out. But there really is no substitute.
There are three Mexican food places I've tried here. One of them had no corn tortillas (!) because the delivery hadn't arrived. (But at least I brought my tortilla press and found a masa supplier.) The other two are sort of wrap specialities: mango chicken wraps, etc., and are really expensive.
I like the comics page! I miss Foxtrot!
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:19:40am |
re: #78 Scriptorium
It was marketed as Mexican, but it the owner was a kiwi and his wife was Bolivian.
No sajta de pollo, but it was still pretty good.
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:31:31am |
Heath Ledger's last film, The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, came up here last week. It was released in Britain back in October.
The movie website now lists December 25 as the US release date, for those interested.
The director, Terry Gilliam, generally despises the US market after one of his movies, Brazil, was edited beyond belief for television release here, to the point where a third of the film was chopped and the ending totally changed. For a while, he refused to release films in the US at all, but he's softened his stance slightly while keeping an iron grip on his rights.
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:36:05am |
re: #80 SixDegrees
For those who haven't heard of this film, here are the four magical words that convinced me I must see it:
Tom Waits as Satan.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Dec 14, 2009 2:47:45am |
Surprised nobody posted this one yet:
[Link: xkcd.com...]
(or maybe I missed it, in which case: sorry!)
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:20:24am |
Milan police said Berlusconi's attacker hit him with a small, metal souvenir replica of the Doumo di Milano, the city's central cathedral, but it was not immediately clear whether the man swung at the prime minister with the object in his hand or threw it at him.
The reporter has certainly identified the most important unanswered question in this story.///
Good Morning LGF.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:32:24am |
Hello?
.
.
Is everyone exhausted from laughing at the comic?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:36:21am |
Did everyone see this? Very disturbing and borderline NSFW, I guess.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:41:51am |
re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar
Oh please, you're ki...
*thud*
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:47:08am |
re: #88 Spare O'Lake
My friends dad had a heart attach 20 years ago. He actually fell out of his easy chair. Doctors said he was dead before he hit the floor.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:25am |
re: #78 Scriptorium
I don't think so--I'm going to look for it. You don't realize until you move away from the Americas what a big gap in the dining-out rotation it is to not have Mexican food restaurants. Indian food takes their place, as does Thai take-out. But there really is no substitute.
There are three Mexican food places I've tried here. One of them had no corn tortillas (!) because the delivery hadn't arrived. (But at least I brought my tortilla press and found a masa supplier.) The other two are sort of wrap specialities: mango chicken wraps, etc., and are really expensive.
I like the comics page! I miss Foxtrot!
I liked what one comedienne once said about Mexican food. It's really all the same, it just gets a different name depending on how it's folded.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:55:45am |
re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did everyone see this? Very disturbing and borderline NSFW, I guess.
[Video]
Somehow, i don't think that will be the next reality show
"America's Got Aneurysms"
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 3:59:19am |
re: #90 The Sanity Inspector
It's like I found out about Mexican food when I moved out to the West coast.
Mexican food will leave you stuck on the can regardless.
Good Mexican food will leave you stuck on the can saying to yourself 'That was worth it'.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:01:30am |
The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is coming back!!!!
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:01:52am |
My all-time favorite defiantly un-pc cartoonist is John Callahan. His website, callahanonline.com has been blank the last few times I've checked, though. He's a quadriplegic and mocks his own condition, and people who through insensitivity or patronizing diminish the humanity of the disabled, and hypersensitivity in general.
No link. If you have to ask, you won't enjoy them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:05:36am |
re: #92 Fenway_Nation
We have a local place that is awesome. I tell everyone the secret ingredient is the sweat that rolls off the cooks noses and into the food.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:05:54am |
re: #93 Cannadian Club Akbar
The Vast Right Wing Conspiracy is coming back!!!
[Link: www.suntimes.com...]
"We" never really went away. We were just on a long coffee break!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:09:02am |
The recession is over!!
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]
No, wait...
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:14:34am |
re: #97 Cannadian Club Akbar
The recession is over!!
[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]No, wait...
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
So the recession may be in recession?
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:17:41am |
re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm guessing you tell everybody that so you don't have to worry about crowds.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:19:57am |
re: #99 Fenway_Nation
I'm guessing you tell everybody that so you don't have to worry about crowds.
Ya know, looking back for when I was looking for work. I should have just gone in the place and yelled "INS!" A position might have opened.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:23:07am |
Did anyone see the President on 60 Minutes last night? I didn't.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:25:02am |
The number of officers killed in the line of duty by gunfire increased 24 percent from 2008, according to preliminary statistics compiled by the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund, a national nonprofit organization that tracks officer-related deaths.
As of Saturday, 47 police officers have died nationwide this year after being shot while on duty, up from 38 for the same time in 2008, which was the lowest number of gunfire deaths since 1956, according to the data.
Over the past decade, small spikes in gunfire deaths have been common, but experts say they are surprised by the number of officers this year who have been specifically targeted by gunmen.
"There's an increasingly desperate population out there," said Eugene O'Donnell, a professor of police studies at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York. "Other than in rare cases for ideological reasons, we really haven't seen people taking on the cops head-to-head. Something is amiss. It should be cause for grave concern."
SNIP
The availability of guns compounds the problem, criminologists say. But Pennsylvania, the state with the most gun-related officer deaths so far this year, has among the strictest gun laws in the country, according to a ranking by the pro-gun-control Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. Other states, like Louisiana, Oklahoma and Kentucky, have very little oversight and had few, if any, officer gun deaths this year.
Kevin Morison, a spokesman for the Officers Memorial Fund, which keeps the statistics, said he sees people on both sides of the gun debate using the numbers to prove points.
"But folks who are willing to intentionally target police officers seem to be able to find a way to accrue guns regardless of what the laws in those state would be," Morison said.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:26:16am |
re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did anyone see the President on 60 Minutes last night? I didn't.
BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH.
BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH.
BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH.
BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH.
BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH.
BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH.
BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH. BLAME BUSH.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:27:16am |
re: #103 MandyManners
So, what are you trying to say?
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:29:57am |
re: #104 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, what are you trying to say?
I'm not sure. Maybe I need more coffee.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:30:02am |
re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar
Did anyone see the President on 60 Minutes last night? I didn't.
He was on 60 Minutes? Finally the guy is getting some media exposure!
////
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:31:21am |
re: #106 Fenway_Nation
He was on 60 Minutes? Finally the guy is getting some media exposure!
///
You gonna' tune into his show with Oprah this week?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:32:22am |
re: #106 Fenway_Nation
He was on 60 Minutes? Finally the guy is getting some media exposure!
///
Don''t worry. I'm sure he'll hold a nationally televised press conference at the same time the Super Bowl is on.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:33:44am |
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:34:46am |
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:35:09am |
re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don''t worry. I'm sure he'll hold a nationally televised press conference at the same time the Super Bowl is on.
Are you kidding!? THat's going to be the halftime show!
ANd at that same press conference, he's going to announce a 'End Zone Compensation Czar' to make certain that the Super Bowl scoring is fair and equitable so that one team doesn't have more points than the other.
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Bloodnok Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:35:19am |
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:35:53am |
re: #107 MandyManners
You gonna' tune into his show with Oprah this week?
Only if the will to live has departed from me....
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:37:16am |
re: #112 Fenway_Nation
Are you kidding!? THat's going to be the halftime show!
ANd at that same press conference, he's going to announce a 'End Zone Compensation Czar' to make certain that the Super Bowl scoring is fair and equitable so that one team doesn't have more points than the other.
It's not like a football game is won by going in and "kicking tail".
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:37:31am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:38:25am |
re: #112 Fenway_Nation
Are you kidding!? THat's going to be the halftime show!
ANd at that same press conference, he's going to announce a 'End Zone Compensation Czar' to make certain that the Super Bowl scoring is fair and equitable so that one team doesn't have more points than the other.
And I am sure he will cap the money the teams get for playing.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:38:25am |
re: #114 Fenway_Nation
Only if the will to live has departed from me...
Would watching only hasten the end?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:39:08am |
re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar
Saw one from my deck. Went in and had a wonderful nights sleep. So, I got my wish.
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:40:59am |
Who said there weren't any gays in Iran again?
A new anti-government movement has sprung up among protesters in Iran -- and now among their supporters in other countries -- with men posting pictures of themselves on the Internet wearing women's head scarves as a political statement.
The movement began in recent days as an online backlash after the arrest of one anti-government protester, Majid Tavakoli. The day after his arrest, an Iranian news agency published a picture of Tavakoli dressed in a chador, a black head-to-toe garment worn by Iranian women.
The government claimed the man had been caught wearing the garment in an attempt to hide himself and avoid arrest, but opposition bloggers insisted that the photo published by the semi-official Fars news agency had been manipulated.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:42:07am |
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:42:09am |
re: #118 MandyManners
Yeah.....especially if the reaper turned out to be a 30-someting-ish Bettie Page.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:43:22am |
re: #123 Fenway_Nation
Yeah...especially if the reaper turned out to be a 30-someting-ish Bettie Page.
Who?
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:46:02am |
re: #123 Fenway_Nation
Yeah...especially if the reaper turned out to be a 30-someting-ish Bettie Page.
Bettie Page (April 22, 1923 – December 11, 2008)[2] was an American model who became famous in the 1950s for her fetish modeling and pin-up photos. She has often been called the "Queen of pinups".
What's your fetish?
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:46:48am |
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:48:23am |
re: #127 Fenway_Nation
Hark! An Opening!
Very iconic and sultry 50's pin-up model.
Nowadays she'd be considered fat and told to loose the thighs and butt.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:48:38am |
re: #125 MandyManners
/pleads the fifth.
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:56:23am |
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 4:59:55am |
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abolitionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:00:47am |
re: #129 MandyManners
Nowadays she'd be considered fat and told to loose the thighs and butt.
Loose ?
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:01:48am |
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:04:36am |
People who climb Mt. Hood in December get what they deserve.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:12:37am |
re: #138 Varek Raith
John Williams really is a great composer. Thank goodness for movies, without which, we may have never even heard of him.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:14:45am |
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Fenway_Nation Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:16:18am |
Well....now that the morning shift is here, I should probably get going.
Later, lizards!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:17:12am |
The first day after Christmas!
My true love and I had a fight...
And so, I chopped the pear tree down
And burned it just for spite!
And with a single cartridge
I shot that blasted partridge
My true love,
My true love
My true love gave to me.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:18:52am |
The second day after Christmas
I put on the old rubber gloves
And very gently wrung the necks
Of both the Turtle Doves
My true love,
My true love
My true love gave to me.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:31:25am |
Morning Lizards. Got another two inches or so of snow dumped on us, but that's okay - the fish is now officially a homeowner. How was everyone's weekend?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:32:10am |
re: #145 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizards. Got another two inches or so of snow dumped on us, but that's okay - the fish is now officially a homeowner. How was everyone's weekend?
Good for you!!
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:36:03am |
re: #145 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizards. Got another two inches or so of snow dumped on us, but that's okay - the fish is now officially a homeowner. How was everyone's weekend?
Congratulations! A man's home is his hassle, as you'll find out soon enough.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:36:47am |
re: #147 The Sanity Inspector
Congratulations! A man's home is his hassle, as you'll find out soon enough.
Oh, I'm well aware. It's a foreclosed property, which comes with its own set of problems and requires a large amount of work just to purchase, let alone get everything closed. *laughs*
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:37:03am |
re: #147 The Sanity Inspector
Congratulations! A man's home is his hassle, as you'll find out soon enough.
At least he doesn't have to mow yard anytime soon.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:37:52am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:40:37am |
re: #145 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizards. Got another two inches or so of snow dumped on us, but that's okay - the fish is now officially a homeowner. How was everyone's weekend?
Morning, all. Rainy in north florida. then again, it wasn't snowy in north florida, so i don't plan to ask for anyone's sympathy...
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:41:15am |
Amazing optical illusions:
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:44:21am |
re: #151 Aceofwhat?
Morning, all. Rainy in north florida. then again, it wasn't snowy in north florida, so i don't plan to ask for anyone's sympathy...
It's not the snow that's the killer. It's the -7 degrees F (-22 degrees C) lows that make me envious.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:45:08am |
re: #153 thedopefishlives
It's not the snow that's the killer. It's the -7 degrees F (-22 degrees C) lows that make me envious.
77 here. Sorry.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:48:40am |
re: #153 thedopefishlives
It's not the snow that's the killer. It's the -7 degrees F (-22 degrees C) lows that make me envious.
Sorry. My brother arrived in town this weekend, and it stopped raining long enough yesterday to get a little golf in. Was in shorts/polo shirt and still got warm. This'll be my first Christmas in north florida...i just might enjoy it.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:50:31am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:51:07am |
re: #155 Aceofwhat?
Sorry. My brother arrived in town this weekend, and it stopped raining long enough yesterday to get a little golf in. Was in shorts/polo shirt and still got warm. This'll be my first Christmas in north florida...i just might enjoy it.
You'd better enjoy it, for all of us crazy people who spend our winters in more frigid climes. Although the Mrs. Fish and I will be back in fish country, some distance southeast of here, for Christmas.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:53:57am |
re: #155 Aceofwhat?
Florida Christmas Day Plan:
Shorts and a Tshirt.
Pitcher of margaritas.
Lawn chair under a palm tree.
Enjoy.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:56:13am |
re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar
You know, sometimes you can be an ass.
Fog is freezing to the ground here, you son of a bitch!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:57:41am |
re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You know, sometimes you can be an ass.
Fog is freezing to the ground here, you son of a bitch!
/
I'm sorry. I forgot to mention bringing the BBQ grill and some ribs.:)
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abolitionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:58:31am |
re: #156 The Sanity Inspector
(CNN) -- NASA is minutes away from blasting a new telescope into space to scan the cosmos for undiscovered objects, ...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 5:59:00am |
re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm sorry. I forgot to mention bringing the BBQ grill and some ribs.:)
The wind chill is -11 degrees F and it's supposed to snow again this afternoon. I'm bringing the cluebat to your house.
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:05am |
Someone keeps coming and snowblowing my driveway. Of course it's way cool but I'd really like to figure out who it is so I can thank them.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:14am |
re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar
Florida Christmas Day Plan:
Shorts and a Tshirt.
Pitcher of margaritas.
Lawn chair under a palm tree.
Enjoy.
Gin&tonic for me, and i will leave the lawn chair for golf as much as i can over the next 3 weeks. Other than that...ditto
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abolitionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:03:26am |
re: #161 abolitionist
Launch news - breaking (Look at left column) -- to launch at 9:09 AM est
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:06:17am |
re: #163 Jadespring
Someone keeps coming and snowblowing my driveway. Of course it's way cool but I'd really like to figure out who it is so I can thank them.
Mystery neighbors are fun. Someone came and mowed my lawn while I was out of town a couple of weeks this summer.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:07:01am |
re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm sorry. I forgot to mention bringing the BBQ grill and some ribs.:)
GAH!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:08:44am |
re: #168 The Sanity Inspector
I've done that for neighbors a few times. Never told them I did it. The day before I knew they were getting back from vacation.
It would suck to have to mow the yard your first day back... so? I was out anyway.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:00am |
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:06am |
re: #166 laZardo
And declare war on Mars for...uh... Martian space oil.
/ :B
Your Shuttles vs. My Deimos Fleet... Bring it on, terran!
From - A Martian Admiral with an itchy trigger finger.
/:)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:12am |
re: #168 The Sanity Inspector
Mystery neighbors are fun. Someone came and mowed my lawn while I was out of town a couple of weeks this summer.
I've had that happen a couple of times. However, it's not out of any generosity on the neighbor's part - she's a cranky old lady and she absolutely can't STAND it when my yard is in any way "unruly". It's one of the many reasons I'm glad I'm moving out soon.
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:23am |
re: #168 The Sanity Inspector
Mystery neighbors are fun. Someone came and mowed my lawn while I was out of town a couple of weeks this summer.
That would have been great. It's even more of mystery because I don't really have that many close by neighbors as the other nearby houses are mostly just summer residents.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:09:25am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:10:48am |
re: #175 The Sanity Inspector
Sounds like they're getting close.
And we have liftoff. Looks like a spectacular success for the NASA boys.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:11:10am |
re: #161 abolitionist
(CNN) -- NASA is minutes away from blasting a new telescope into space to scan the cosmos for undiscovered objects, ...
liftoff!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:09am |
re: #165 abolitionist
I'm thinking of a "Far Side" comic. Giant eyeball is looking through a ladies window, she's on the phone, says... "Hi, Phyllis? Yes, this is Gladys up the street. Oh, fine, thank you. I was wondering, could you do me a favor and look out your window and tell me exactly what is peering into my house?"
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:26am |
re: #173 thedopefishlives
I've had that happen a couple of times. However, it's not out of any generosity on the neighbor's part - she's a cranky old lady and she absolutely can't STAND it when my yard is in any way "unruly". It's one of the many reasons I'm glad I'm moving out soon.
Well she can't be as bad as the crazy lady that I once lived by who accused me of being possessed by demons because my garden grew better then hers and would leave crosses at the end of my driveway.
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abolitionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:12:44am |
re: #177 Aceofwhat?
My CNN linky is still displaying Begins Shortly
:(
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:13:40am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:13:42am |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:13:45am |
re: #179 Jadespring
Well she can't be as bad as the crazy lady that I once lived by who accused me of being possessed by demons because my garden grew better then hers and would leave crosses at the end of my driveway.
Wow. I don't think even I can top that, and I've lived next to some crazy people in previous houses.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:14:47am |
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:16:24am |
re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm sorry. I forgot to mention bringing the BBQ grill and some ribs.:)
Here in Detroit, it's dipped down into the low teens with 40 mph winds within the last few days, although it's recovered to the low thirties today.
And I just want to point out that I don't personally believe in BBQ "season" - we grill year 'round, and did last night.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:16:30am |
re: #179 Jadespring
"Whoa."
-Keanu Reeves, every movie he's ever been in...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:16:36am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:16:40am |
re: #179 Jadespring
Well she can't be as bad as the crazy lady that I once lived by who accused me of being possessed by demons because my garden grew better then hers and would leave crosses at the end of my driveway.
Tell me, please tell me, that you indulged yourself in at least one or two 'booga booga' moments...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:17:24am |
re: #187 Aceofwhat?
labor?
People have to build that shit, you know. There's a guy with a socket set in there somewhere.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:17:35am |
re: #188 SixDegrees
Here in Detroit, it's dipped down into the low teens with 40 mph winds within the last few days, although it's recovered to the low thirties today.
And I just want to point out that I don't personally believe in BBQ "season" - we grill year 'round, and did last night.
As it should be.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:18:42am |
re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
People have to build that shit, you know. There's a guy with a socket set in there somewhere.
You covered that under 'engineer'. Larry the grease monkey isn't under the hood of this little darlin'...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:18:47am |
re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar
The guy who filled the rocket with fuel and checked the oil.
I'm thinking of the Dirty Jobs episode when Mike was helping Lube that giant machine that carries the space shuttle to the launch pad.
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:19:09am |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
Tell me, please tell me, that you indulged yourself in at least one or two 'booga booga' moments...
I'd stand in my front yard at 3 in the morning and laugh maniacally.
Muhahahahahaha! The garden, she feeeeds off your sorrow! Muhahaha!
/
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:19:25am |
re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of the Dirty Jobs episode when Mike was helping Lube that giant machine that carries the space shuttle to the launch pad.
Loved that episode.
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:19:38am |
re: #179 Jadespring
Well she can't be as bad as the crazy lady that I once lived by who accused me of being possessed by demons because my garden grew better then hers and would leave crosses at the end of my driveway.
Time to get yourself a Krampus mask and help her celebrate the holidays.
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abolitionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:19:43am |
re: #186 The Sanity Inspector
Thanks for the link folks, but my Windows Media Player just sits there displaying its logo. No err msg or anything in the least way informative. (Probably not a sufficiently recent version.)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:19:44am |
re: #194 Aceofwhat?
See my 195.
Every guy who works on those things is not an engineer. There are a couple regular "Joes" there.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:19:56am |
re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of the Dirty Jobs episode when Mike was helping Lube that giant machine that carries the space shuttle to the launch pad.
I could do that. Serious.
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:09am |
re: #191 Aceofwhat?
Tell me, please tell me, that you indulged yourself in at least one or two 'booga booga' moments...
Umm...yeah, I did. I know it was mean and all but she was really annoying. She usually avoided being outside when I was but one time she was out doing something so I went out to the garden and started chanting in gibberish.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:21:19am |
re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar
I could do that. Serious.
It was a filthy job. Gravel from the running strip gets all caught up in it. Has to be pulled out. They use gallons and gallons of the lube too.
-(in bed)
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:05am |
re: #203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It was a filthy job. Gravel from the running strip gets all caught up in it. Has to be pulled out. They use gallons and gallons of the lube too.
-(in bed)
Damn, you preemptively used the 'in bed' line...:/
/
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:32am |
re: #195 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I'm thinking of the Dirty Jobs episode when Mike was helping Lube that giant machine that carries the space shuttle to the launch pad.
I'd like to see that thing pop a wheelie sometime, even if only in cgi.
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:36am |
Oh and she equated garden gnomes with the occult so I amassed a few of those.
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:53am |
Gonna go head to a 24-hour internet cafe to print out my mom's I-864s because I'm helping petition her for permanent residency and we can't afford ink because the petitioning fee alone is effectively one trimester's college tuition.
[deep breath]
BRB.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:23:59am |
re: #205 Varek Raith
Damn, you preemptively used the 'in bed' line...:/
/
Had to after I previewed and saw "gravel gets all caught up in it"...
:)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:24:23am |
re: #208 Jadespring
Oh and she equated garden gnomes with the occult so I amassed a few of those.
That is all kinds of win.
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:24:46am |
re: #199 abolitionist
Thanks for the link folks, but my Windows Media Player just sits there displaying its logo. No err msg or anything in the least way informative. (Probably not a sufficiently recent version.)
It's actually a Realplayer stream. O:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:25:14am |
re: #208 Jadespring
Oh and she equated garden gnomes with the occult so I amassed a few of those.
Get a bunch of gnomes and put them in her yard facing her front door. Should be a hoot when she goes to get the paper in the AM.
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abolitionist Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:26:00am |
re: #208 Jadespring
Oh and she equated garden gnomes with the occult so I amassed a few of those.
You could put up a sign, Killer Tomatos (preferably in a section growing something else).
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:26:42am |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
Get a bunch of gnomes and put them in her yard facing her front door. Should be a hoot when she goes to get the paper in the AM.
Or hide them, one at a time, in obscure but noticeable places around her property.
Inside her garbage can would probably be a good spot.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:26:50am |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
My mind keeps picturing that crazy Christian lady in "Edward Scissorhands". Playing that organ in the living room, candles burning...
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:17am |
re: #209 laZardo
Best of luck. Don't know how most other lizards feel, but our immigration policy is way too restrictive, imho. Making sure that the immigrant is not unduly criminal is about my only hang-up. What are we but a collection of immigrants who came here ready to work for something better?
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Varek Raith Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:27:53am |
re: #208 Jadespring
Oh and she equated garden gnomes with the occult so I amassed a few of those.
I so would've spray painted this onto my grass.
Muhahaha!
/would be totally worth it. :)
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:02am |
re: #217 Aceofwhat?
Best of luck. Don't know how most other lizards feel, but our immigration policy is way too restrictive, imho. Making sure that the immigrant is not unduly criminal is about my only hang-up. What are we but a collection of immigrants who came here ready to work for something better?
[reference to asking Native Americans about illegal immigration here]
/ q;
//k, actually headin out now.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:03am |
re: #215 SixDegrees
Or hide them, one at a time, in obscure but noticeable places around her property.
Inside her garbage can would probably be a good spot.
Ooo, tape a baby monitor to the gnome, then hide it!!
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:28am |
re: #215 SixDegrees
Or hide them, one at a time, in obscure but noticeable places around her property.
Inside her garbage can would probably be a good spot.
Or leave them on your own property, but turned so that they appear to be watching her as she steps out of the front. Then if she wants to discard them she has to muster up the courage to walk over there...
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:28:49am |
Back on topic for a moment: The great lost comic of the 80s was Eyebeam. It was a college strip, the popularity of which was such that the cartoonist couldn't leave it behind after he graduated. I own some of the book compilation.
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:29:24am |
re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar
Get a bunch of gnomes and put them in her yard facing her front door. Should be a hoot when she goes to get the paper in the AM.
LOL. Well I don't live there anymore. Someone else now has the joy of living beside her.
Now the only neighbor issue I have to deal with is the guy who comes up on weekends and stands by his perfectly manicured hedges and trees and looks at my more free form yard with the chickens running around with disdain.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:29:30am |
re: #217 Aceofwhat?
Don't be a criminal.
Don't ask us for free shit.
That's pretty much my parameter.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:30:41am |
For AP, this is a surprisingly balanced article about Hamas' birthday.
Gaza was decked out in Islamic green, with Hamas flags fluttering from roofs, lampposts and cars. Some parents dressed small children in combat fatigues and green Hamas headbands.
SNIP
The three-week war, launched to halt rocket fire from Gaza, failed to dislodge Hamas but inflicted heavy losses on the group and made it harder for the militants to provide for 1.5 million Gazans.
SNIP
Smuggling tunnels bring in goods from Egypt, though those supply route may eventually be cut off. Egypt has recently begun installing border fortifications to block the tunnels, which also serve as a conduit for Hamas weapons.
Since the 1990s, the group has dispatched dozens of suicide bombers who killed hundreds of Israelis, and Israel and the international community considers it a terrorist organization.
SNIP
Hamas defeated Fatah in 2006 parliament elections. The two groups attempted to rule jointly until Hamas' bloody takeover of Gaza in June 2007. Hamas has since deepened its control of the coastal strip, silencing critics and launching a "virtue campaign" to enforce Islamic morals.
SNIP
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:30:58am |
re: #222 The Sanity Inspector
I had a Mike Judge comic book once. From years before "Beavis and Butthead" and "King of the Hill". Where it went? Dunno.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:24am |
Holy crap:
Eddie Izzard ran 43 marathons in 51 days. For charity.
Doing the occasional show at night, too.
That guy has more energy than I ever will.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:36am |
re: #224 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don't be a criminal.
Don't ask us for free shit.That's pretty much my parameter.
And don't bitch about seeing and hearing American patriotism when you're smack-dab in the middle of America.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:31:53am |
re: #226 MandyManners
Great catch Mandy. Oh and Good Morning all!
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:33:41am |
re: #223 Jadespring
LOL. Well I don't live there anymore. Someone else now has the joy of living beside her.
Now the only neighbor issue I have to deal with is the guy who comes up on weekends and stands by his perfectly manicured hedges and trees and looks at my more free form yard with the chickens running around with disdain.
You have disdainful chickens?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:33:48am |
re: #226 MandyManners
For AP, this is a surprisingly balanced article about Hamas' birthday.
SNIP
I do note, Mandy, that they snuck in a bit about the terrorists "provid[ing] for 1.5 million Gazans." So while they were more forthcoming and balanced than usual, they couldn't resist slipping in a snark about how Hamas is necessary for the poor Palestinians to survive in a world surrounded by those eeevil joos.
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gregb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:34:07am |
The very best xkcd comic is the "Duty Calls" one, though it's been co-opted for everything and far overused.
"Somebody's wrong on the Internet"
[Link: forums.xkcd.com...]
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:34:17am |
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:34:41am |
re: #230 Rightwingconspirator
Great catch Mandy. Oh and Good Morning all!
Thank you, and good morning to you, too.
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:35:42am |
re: #231 MandyManners
You have disdainful chickens?
Ha ha. Yes I do. The rooster especially. He's really quite cocky as well.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:35:52am |
re: #232 thedopefishlives
I do note, Mandy, that they snuck in a bit about the terrorists "provid[ing] for 1.5 million Gazans." So while they were more forthcoming and balanced than usual, they couldn't resist slipping in a snark about how Hamas is necessary for the poor Palestinians to survive in a world surrounded by those eeevil joos.
Well, Hamas IS responsible for providing for those people. It's the elected government.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:21am |
re: #237 Jadespring
Ha ha. Yes I do. The rooster especially. He's really quite cocky as well.
Punchline to old dirty joke!
"Shhh. They're about to land."
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:36:34am |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:37:04am |
re: #218 Varek Raith
I so would've spray painted this onto my grass.
Muhahaha!
/would be totally worth it. :)
Wonder if you can create any of these on your lawn with a string trimmer?
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:37:17am |
re: #237 Jadespring
Ha ha. Yes I do. The rooster especially. He's really quite cocky as well.
Watch your language. This is a family blog.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:38:39am |
re: #238 MandyManners
Well, Hamas IS responsible for providing for those people. It's the elected government.
About the only thing they provide is more abject poverty and a string of Israeli defensive actions. The people truly responsible for taking care of those commonly referred to as Palestinians are the same people keeping them repressed, so as to agitate against the existence of Israel.
| 244 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:38:45am |
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:39am |
re: #243 thedopefishlives
About the only thing they provide is more abject poverty and a string of Israeli defensive actions. The people truly responsible for taking care of those commonly referred to as Palestinians are the same people keeping them repressed, so as to agitate against the existence of Israel.
Yep. It's a really shitty government.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:48am |
re: #240 MandyManners
Ahhh. The Gaza Rooster.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:39:51am |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:40:15am |
Swarms of starlings:
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:40:37am |
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:41:24am |
re: #226 MandyManners
That article also notes that Egypt is doing more to block the smuggling tunnels, by installing more fortifications along the Philadelphi corridor that runs between Gaza and Sinai. I guess the Egyptians don't want to help their jihadi neighbors either.
Also, missing from the article is any reference to Hamas' biggest backers - Syria and Iran, both of which have tried repeatedly to ship weapons to Gaza and Syria plays host to Hamas bigwigs who don't want to spend all of their time hiding and having to share in the misery of life in Gaza of their own creation.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:41:25am |
re: #248 The Sanity Inspector
A reason why we are glad that cows and pigs do not fly.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:16am |
The world is ready for women, or even other men, to legally buy sex, said Shady Lady Ranch owner Bobbi Davis. Plus, being the first to offer male service could boost business in tough economic times, she said.
"With so many other male revues going on in Vegas, we thought it was time to give this a try," Davis told The Associated Press.
Until now, men have been effectively barred from legally plying the world's oldest profession in Nevada by the specificity of a state health law requiring prostitutes to undergo frequent cervical testing for sexually transmitted diseases.
The health board approved a regulation to allow urethral testing for men — a crucial rule change by the state agency with ultimate power over whether prostitutes can or can't work.
SNIP
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:42:18am |
re: #248 The Sanity Inspector
Can you be a dear, and freeze the frame and count those for me real quick?
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:43:32am |
re: #250 lawhawk
That article also notes that Egypt is doing more to block the smuggling tunnels, by installing more fortifications along the Philadelphi corridor that runs between Gaza and Sinai. I guess the Egyptians don't want to help their jihadi neighbors either.
Also, missing from the article is any reference to Hamas' biggest backers - Syria and Iran, both of which have tried repeatedly to ship weapons to Gaza and Syria plays host to Hamas bigwigs who don't want to spend all of their time hiding and having to share in the misery of life in Gaza of their own creation.
I noticed that the reporter didn't mention Syria and Iran yet, I was struck at the amount of critical reporting about Hamas itself.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:44:14am |
re: #256 MandyManners
I noticed that the reporter didn't mention Syria and Iran yet, I was struck at the amount of critical reporting about Hamas itself.
Which is, in point of fact, more than the MSM usually does, so I would tend to agree. By the way, good morning, {Mandy}.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:44:41am |
re: #257 thedopefishlives
Which is, in point of fact, more than the MSM usually does, so I would tend to agree. By the way, good morning, {Mandy}.
Congratulations on your new home!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:44:57am |
The third day after Christmas,
My mother caught the croop.
I had to use the three french hens
To make some chicken soup.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:46:04am |
re: #257 thedopefishlives
Which is, in point of fact, more than the MSM usually does, so I would tend to agree. By the way, good morning, {Mandy}.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:46:24am |
re: #259 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
The third day after Christmas,
My mother caught the croop.
I had to use the three french hens
To make some chicken soup.
BAH FUCKING HUMBUG!
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:47:05am |
re: #256 MandyManners
It's more than usual, which is saying something about the rotten state of its usual reporting. It shouldn't be an occasional thing to report the deprivations and barbarism inflicted on Gaza by Hamas. The Gazans have no one to blame but themselves for putting up with this situation.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:47:43am |
re: #261 MandyManners
BAH FUCKING HUMBUG!
The four calling birds were a big mistake
For their language was obscene!
The five golden rings were completely fake
And they turned my fingers GREEN!
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:48:10am |
Early 80s soft rock for you morning coffee
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:49:01am |
re: #262 lawhawk
Having someone take care of you is not always a good thing. Pretty soon, you feel you have to take shit from the care giver without much recourse.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:50:32am |
re: #262 lawhawk
It's more than usual, which is saying something about the rotten state of its usual reporting. It shouldn't be an occasional thing to report the deprivations and barbarism inflicted on Gaza by Hamas. The Gazans have no one to blame but themselves for putting up with this situation.
Check out my No. 260. Laub's not known for even-handedness.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:51:51am |
re: #265 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Having someone take care of you is not always a good thing. Pretty soon, you feel you have to take shit from the care giver without much recourse.
Basic functions of government include the delivery of utitlies and public safety. Hamas fails both.
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:53:07am |
re: #145 thedopefishlives
Morning Lizards. Got another two inches or so of snow dumped on us, but that's okay - the fish is now officially a homeowner. How was everyone's weekend?
Congrats! Welcome to the fun and frolic of home ownership. :)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:54:38am |
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 6:55:41am |
The resignations, if carried out, could be the most risky maneuver undertaken by Hong Kong's liberal advocates of democratic rights in their tussle with Beijing since the former British colony returned to Chinese rule in 1997.
Hong Kong enjoys a unique position as the most politically liberal city in China with a mini-constitution promising universal suffrage as an "ultimate aim".
In reality, Beijing has been loathe to relax its grip over electoral freedoms and only agreed in 2007 to allow a direct vote for Hong Kong's leader and legislature, starting in 2017.
SNIP
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:01:18am |
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:02:31am |
re: #226 MandyManners
For AP, this is a surprisingly balanced article about Hamas' birthday.
SNIP
I turned 22 in July, but nobody came. ;_;
/ah well, maybe next year.
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philosophus invidius Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:06:37am |
To return to the comic:
Why does the author have to bash philosophy degrees? To suggest that the irrational attitude presented there has something to do with philosophy betrays a complete ignorance of what actual philosophers do and think.
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Odahi Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:07:08am |
re: #192 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
People have to build that shit, you know. There's a guy with a socket set in there somewhere.
And a pair of wire strippers, too
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:09:14am |
re: #278 philosophus invidius
"Any Philosophy majors in the crowd? Heh. See. They can only raise their hands halfway."
-Steve Martin
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:09:59am |
re: #278 philosophus invidius
To return to the comic:
Why does the author have to bash philosophy degrees? To suggest that the irrational attitude presented there has something to do with philosophy betrays a complete ignorance of what actual philosophers do and think.
Good point. I'll name-drop Bertrand Russell and just leave it at that.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:10:00am |
re: #276 laZardo
I'll stop by if you let me shoot automatic weapons in the air. Otherwise, it's not really a party...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:10:34am |
re: #282 Aceofwhat?
Take a kevlar umbrella...
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philosophus invidius Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:10:56am |
re: #280 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
"Any Philosophy majors in the crowd? Heh. See. They can only raise their hands halfway."
-Steve Martin
Spoken by a philosophy major
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:11:04am |
re: #282 Aceofwhat?
We'll have to go out to the provinces for that. >_> Other than that though, bring your bandannas and slogans too!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:11:16am |
re: #278 philosophus invidius
To return to the comic:
Why does the author have to bash philosophy degrees? To suggest that the irrational attitude presented there has something to do with philosophy betrays a complete ignorance of what actual philosophers do and think.
The author is a scientist or engineer of some kind. We tend to bash on all arts degrees as "lesser disciplines". It's only logical. /
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:11:24am |
re: #284 philosophus invidius
Which was the comedy, therein...
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:12:03am |
re: #278 philosophus invidius
To return to the comic:
Why does the author have to bash philosophy degrees? To suggest that the irrational attitude presented there has something to do with philosophy betrays a complete ignorance of what actual philosophers do and think.
Easy, tiger. To suggest this comic is about philosophy majors betrays a complete ignorance of what the author is trying to do and think.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:12:31am |
I chopped onions last night. Can't get the smell out of my hands.
Home remedy anyone?
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philosophus invidius Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:12:36am |
re: #286 thedopefishlives
The author is a scientist or engineer of some kind. We tend to bash on all arts degrees as "lesser disciplines". It's only logical. /
Many of the logical innovations used in computer programs were actually developed by philosophers.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:13:41am |
re: #290 philosophus invidius
Isn't philosophy one of the few things that can be done better stoned out of your mind?
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:13:52am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I chopped onions last night. Can't get the smell out of my hands.
Home remedy anyone?
Lemon juice.
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philosophus invidius Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:14:54am |
re: #288 Aceofwhat?
Easy, tiger. To suggest this comic is about philosophy majors betrays a complete ignorance of what the author is trying to do and think.
That's BS. I know what the strip is supposed to be about. I'm objecting the fact that "philosophy" = "pointless speculation about things of which you are ignorant"
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philosophus invidius Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:15:31am |
re: #291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Isn't philosophy one of the few things that can be done better stoned out of your mind?
no
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:15:56am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I chopped onions last night. Can't get the smell out of my hands.
Home remedy anyone?
Well it would probably take either a weak alkali or a weak acid so either a weak solution of dissolved baking soda or a weak solution of vinegar. Mandy's solution would probably work but... do you want to smell like lemon?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:16:03am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I chopped onions last night. Can't get the smell out of my hands.
Home remedy anyone?
give in. eat the leftovers.
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laZardo Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:16:06am |
Gonna head to bed, have to go with my mother (as her sponsor) to the embassy at the buttcrack of dawn tomorrow. Cheers!
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:16:39am |
re: #295 Thanos
Well it would probably take either a weak alkali or a weak acid so either a weak solution of dissolved baking soda or a weak solution of vinegar. Mandy's solution would probably work but... do you want to smell like lemon?
Beats smelling like old onions.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:17:47am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:18:18am |
re: #293 philosophus invidius
That's BS. I know what the strip is supposed to be about. I'm objecting the fact that "philosophy" = "pointless speculation about things of which you are ignorant"
Brother. How about "philosophy = one of many, many disciplines whose adherents can be susceptible to pointless speculation about things of which they are ignorant".
Insert economics, marketing, literature, etc. and the strip is still funny. Or was, until we started having this discussion...
| 301 |
Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:19:13am |
XKCD on Techno music:
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:19:17am |
re: #298 MandyManners
Beats smelling like old onions.
If you want 'minty fresh' hands, toothpaste works as well.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:19:33am |
re: #271 MandyManners
SNIP
The British were criminally tardy in introducing democracy to their colony. It's not as if they didn't know 1997 would come some day.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:20:00am |
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:22:06am |
re: #297 laZardo
Gonna head to bed, have to go with my mother (as her sponsor) to the embassy at the buttcrack of dawn tomorrow. Cheers!
Best of luck!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:22:34am |
re: #304 RogueOne
Oh gross. Had lemon juice. I think it's fermented. Now my hands smell like oniony lemony liquor.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:23:54am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh gross. Had lemon juice. I think it's fermented. Now my hands smell like oniony lemony liquor.
Hey if we come up with enough home remdies we could pickle FBV's hands over teh innernets.
| 308 |
RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:25:19am |
re: #307 Thanos
Hey if we come up with enough home remdies we could pickle FBV's hands over teh innernets.
My mom always used vinegar when she cut onions. She'd leave a little in a dish on the counter to kill the onion smell in the kitchen too. I've used it occasionally and it seems to work well, unless it's just a figment of my imagination.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:25:25am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh gross. Had lemon juice. I think it's fermented. Now my hands smell like oniony lemony liquor with a hint of white vinegar.
| 310 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:22am |
re: #278 philosophus invidius
To return to the comic:
Why does the author have to bash philosophy degrees? To suggest that the irrational attitude presented there has something to do with philosophy betrays a complete ignorance of what actual philosophers do and think.
And sometimes a comic strip is just a comic strip!
| 311 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:27:56am |
re: #310 sattv4u2
Wait! I think that's psychiatry.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:28:11am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh gross. Had lemon juice. I think it's fermented. Now my hands smell like oniony lemony liquor.
Comet.
| 313 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:28:56am |
re: #311 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Wait! I think that's psychiatry.
As Aceofawhat says in #300
Insert anything!
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:29:01am |
any chem folks out there? Onions make you cry because the gas they release reacts with the saline solution in your eyes to create a weak acid. So what we want to counter is outgassing of sulfur (dioxide?) or something akin.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:30:15am |
re: #314 Thanos
any chem folks out there? Onions make you cry because the gas they release reacts with the saline solution in your eyes to create a weak acid. So what we want to counter is outgassing of sulfur (dioxide?) or something akin.
I keep forgetting to try it, but someone once told me if you make the initial cut of the onion underwater you don't get the crying effect
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:32:05am |
Half the fun of chopping onions is dodging the odor.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:32:48am |
re: #314 Thanos
I still think that surrender and go eat the leftovers of whatever had onion in the first place is a solution that should be on the table.
| 318 |
The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:33:24am |
re: #315 sattv4u2
I keep forgetting to try it, but someone once told me if you make the initial cut of the onion underwater you don't get the crying effect
Haven't tried that myself but I've heard that.
Also cutting it near the sink while running cold water is supposed to help, I think. That's what I do and it seems to help, though I might be imagining it.
| 319 |
The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:33:38am |
re: #306 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh gross. Had lemon juice. I think it's fermented. Now my hands smell like oniony lemony liquor.
Just don't scratch yourself anywhere sensitive.
| 320 |
Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:33:50am |
Well he's tried two acids (lemon juice, vinegar) so I recommend the weak baking soda or salt solution (alkali)
| 321 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:35:14am |
Bye folks. Lighten up (philosophy guy!) Have a great day!
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:35:54am |
Ok, you folks in AZ are going to have to do something about Sheriff Joe, the man is officially off his rocker:
[Link: www.latimes.com...]
But he has escalated his tactics in recent months, not only defying the federal government but launching repeated investigations of those who criticize him. He recently filed a racketeering lawsuit against the entire Maricopa County power structure. On Thursday night, the Arizona Court of Appeals issued an emergency order forbidding the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office from searching the home or chambers of a Superior Court judge who was named in the racketeering case.
Last year, when Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon called for a federal investigation of Arpaio's immigration enforcement, the Sheriff's Office demanded to see Gordon's e-mails, phone logs and appointment calendars.
When the police chief in one suburb complained about the sweeps, Arpaio's deputies raided that town's City Hall.
A local television station, KPHO, in a 10-minute-long segment last month, documented two dozen instances of the sheriff launching investigations of critics, none of which led to convictions.
The Huffington Post ran a story this weekend about a DOJ tip line re: Sheriff Joe:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
When connecting to the DOJ's Arpaio tip line, it says, "You have reached the U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division, Maricopa County Sheriff's Office investigation line." Then it prompts the listener to choose between English and Spanish. By lunchtime Wednesday, both the English and Spanish mailboxes were full. They have been full throughout the week and are still full as of Saturday morning.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:37:21am |
We haven't yet entered 2010, but I nominate this for WORST IDEA OF THE YEAR
Former NFL Pro Bowler and Heisman Trophy Winner Herschel Walker will make his mixed martial arts debut January 30. The 47-year-old is training with five-time UFC champion Frank Shamrock at the American Kickboxing Academy in San Jose, California
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:37:32am |
The sharper your knife the less cry factor. I didn't believe it until I got a brand knew super chef knife and noticed the difference though it didn't cut it out completely. I react to onions really bad and have tried every trick in the book.
The only thing that I've found that works for me is an old pair of ski goggles. :)
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:37:36am |
re: #322 RogueOne
I usete' admire the man but, he's become nuts.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:38:31am |
re: #324 Jadespring
The sharper your knife the less cry factor. I didn't believe it until I got a brand knew super chef knife and noticed the difference though it didn't cut it out completely. I react to onions really bad and have tried every trick in the book.
The only thing that I've found that works for me is an old pair of ski goggles. :)
Have you tried keeping your mouth closed when chopping onions?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:39:33am |
re: #324 Jadespring
The sharper your knife the less cry factor. I didn't believe it until I got a brand knew super chef knife and noticed the difference though it didn't cut it out completely. I react to onions really bad and have tried every trick in the book.
The only thing that I've found that works for me is an old pair of ski goggles. :)
Initial cut while the onion is submerged underwater?
| 328 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:39:47am |
Is linking to the Democratic Underground ok?
| 329 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:40:15am |
re: #326 MandyManners
Have you tried keeping your mouth closed when chopping onions?
Why, do you talk to onions?
| 330 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:40:43am |
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:41:21am |
re: #325 MandyManners
I usete' admire the man but, he's become nuts.
Same here but he's lost his damned mind. Somehow he's still leading in the polling for Gov.
Though he has said he's not interested in running for governor, a recent poll showed him crushing the presumptive Democratic nominee, state Atty. Gen. Terry Goddard, 51% to 39%
I'm sorry, but that should scare the crap out of anyone who lives there, republican or democrat.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:41:22am |
re: #323 sattv4u2
We haven't yet entered 2010, but I nominate this for WORST IDEA OF THE YEAR
Former NFL Pro Bowler and Heisman Trophy Winner Herschel Walker will make his mixed martial arts debut January 30. The 47-year-old is training with five-time UFC champion Frank Shamrock at the American Kickboxing Academy in San Jose, California
Ex-athletes fighting is seldom a pretty sight.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:41:58am |
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:42:55am |
re: #328 Walter L. Newton
Is linking to the Democratic Underground ok?
AFAIK it's okay but why would we want to? :)
/
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:43:11am |
re: #324 Jadespring
The sharper your knife the less cry factor. I didn't believe it until I got a brand knew super chef knife and noticed the difference though it didn't cut it out completely. I react to onions really bad and have tried every trick in the book.
The only thing that I've found that works for me is an old pair of ski goggles. :)
Post a vid!
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Jadespring Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:43:22am |
re: #327 sattv4u2
Initial cut while the onion is submerged underwater?
Yep. All that does is alleviate the gassing from the first cut and perhaps cool the onion down a bit which also helps.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:43:26am |
re: #332 The Sanity Inspector
Ex-athletes fighting is seldom a pretty sight.
Yeah. I was gonna mention him, but didn't want to screw up spelling his last name and was too lazy to GOOGLE, copy and paste it
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:43:49am |
hey Ice! Good to see you, haven't seen you or Jimmah around much lately.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:45:01am |
re: #338 RogueOne
hey Ice! Good to see you, haven't seen you or Jimmah around much lately.
Well ,, there ARE videos available online!
MUST BE 21 OR OLDER!!
///
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:45:52am |
re: #300 Aceofwhat?
Brother. How about "philosophy = one of many, many disciplines whose adherents can be susceptible to pointless speculation about things of which they are ignorant".
Insert economics, marketing, literature, etc. and the strip is still funny. Or was, until we started having this discussion...
I could have been left out entirely without affecting the strip. It could also have been replaced with snark that was actually related to the message, along the lines of "Just because you have an Internet connection doesn't mean..."
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:45:59am |
re: #334 iceweasel
AFAIK it's okay but why would we want to? :)
/
Well, it seems that those "wacky" let people, at least one of their major media spokespersons think that the progressive should align themselves with the Teaparty. No, not a joke.
I heard him say it, a number of times, had a whole monologue about it on his radio show this week, and they are talking about it on the Democratic Underground.
I would link to some other source, but there is no transcript up anywhere yet. I know he archives audio of his shows on his website, but I was trying to hunt down a text source of the comments and I found it on DU.
That's why.
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:34am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I chopped onions last night. Can't get the smell out of my hands.
Home remedy anyone?
Rub your hands on something made from stainless steel. Then wash them.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:35am |
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:44am |
re: #289 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I chopped onions last night. Can't get the smell out of my hands.
Home remedy anyone?
Vanilla extract. (Learned this from that 80's movie "Crossing Delancey")
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:48:54am |
re: #338 RogueOne
hey Ice! Good to see you, haven't seen you or Jimmah around much lately.
Hey Rogue! Lots happening here. We're getting married in less than two weeks!
What's new?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:50:00am |
re: #340 SixDegrees
Yeah, he kinda sucked the funny out. Which is a different kind of funny, because one of my better friends is working on his PhD in philosophy and takes himself less seriously than most.
Which now begs the question - is it a hallmark of a good philosopher that they take themself very seriously, or not at all?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:51:02am |
re: #346 iceweasel
Hey Rogue! Lots happening here. We're getting married in less than two weeks!What's new?
FINALLY
Now you won;t be in 100% agreement on everything!!
//
j/k,,,,, You Go Girl,,, very happy for you
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:51:06am |
re: #344 MandyManners
Just garlic.
I don't talk to food. But chocolate talks to me. Does that count?
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Surabaya Stew Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:51:21am |
re: #217 Aceofwhat?
Best of luck. Don't know how most other lizards feel, but our immigration policy is way too restrictive, imho. Making sure that the immigrant is not unduly criminal is about my only hang-up. What are we but a collection of immigrants who came here ready to work for something better?
Well said!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:51:29am |
Hey, let's take to the streets for climate change, a little civil disobedience as suggested by Greenpeace...
This is the left, sounding a lot like the wacky right wingers, how can you tell the difference.
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:51:33am |
re: #341 Walter L. Newton
Well, it seems that those "wacky" let people, at least one of their major media spokespersons think that the progressive should align themselves with the Teaparty. No, not a joke.
I can believe it. I'm hearing a lot of rumblings and anger on the left. Hopefully the wacko fringe won't seize control (or ally themselves with tea partiers) but I could easily see some bitter dem primaries coming up. You should post it!
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:52:29am |
re: #346 iceweasel
Hey Rogue! Lots happening here. We're getting married in less than two weeks!
What's new?
Congrats! I'd ask where to send the flowers, but i don't want to be beated like a rented mule for asking where you live...so...i'll mentally beam congratulations in a general eastward direction...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:53:30am |
Maybe the left should aline with the Teapart. Thom Hartmann, the Rush Limbaugh of the left, suggests this on his talk show this past week, had a whole monologue about it.
This is the left, sounding a lot like the wacky right wingers, how can you tell the difference.
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:53:51am |
re: #347 Aceofwhat?
Yeah, he kinda sucked the funny out. Which is a different kind of funny, because one of my better friends is working on his PhD in philosophy and takes himself less seriously than most.
Which now begs the question - is it a hallmark of a good philosopher that they take themself very seriously, or not at all?
I dunno.
Once, the chancellor of a University was berating the head of the computer department for his large budget requests. "Servers, workstations, monitors, and constant requests to replace it all five months later...I thought computer science was supposed to be a branch of mathematics. Why can't you be more like the math department? All they ever ask me for is pencils, paper and wastebaskets." After a short pause, he went on, "In fact, why can't you be more like the philosophy department? All they ever ask for are pencils and paper!"
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:54:12am |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Hey, let's take to the streets for climate change, a little civil disobedience as suggested by Greenpeace...
This is the left, sounding a lot like the wacky right wingers, how can you tell the difference.
Well ,,we all know the right is all about big business and $$$ while the left is about the little (poor) people
SO,,,, you can tell the differnce by their rides to the protests
RIGHT,,,, customized luxury buses
LEFT ,,,,,,old VW hippie vans painted with flowers
Other than that, I got nuttin!
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:54:20am |
re: #348 sattv4u2
FINALLY
Now you won;t be in 100% agreement on everything!!
//
j/k,,, You Go Girl,,, very happy for you
Thanks!
FYI: Jimmah just this second got his us visa approved. They let you do the application online now. (this is just for a travel visa; we're getting married in the US).
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sattv4u2 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:56:47am |
re: #358 iceweasel
Thanks!
FYI: Jimmah just this second got his us visa approved. They let you do the application online now. (this is just for a travel visa; we're getting married in the US).
I had to go in to the office to get mine renewed!
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:57:58am |
re: #353 Aceofwhat?
Congrats! I'd ask where to send the flowers, but i don't want to be beated like a rented mule for asking where you live...so...i'll mentally beam congratulations in a general eastward direction...
Thanks! Gettin' married in a seekrit US location, then coming back here (Scotland).
It's a bit weird how much easier it is to get married in the US than in the UK (regardless of the citizenship status of the partners, I mean).
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:58:35am |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Hey, let's take to the streets for climate change, a little civil disobedience as suggested by Greenpeace...
This is the left, sounding a lot like the wacky right wingers, how can you tell the difference.
Left-wing opponents? I thought only ignorant Republicans opposed it.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 7:58:53am |
re: #362 iceweasel
Thanks! Gettin' married in a seekrit US location, then coming back here (Scotland).
It's a bit weird how much easier it is to get married in the US than in the UK (regardless of the citizenship status of the partners, I mean).
Wait just a goshdarn second. You guys are seriously getting married?
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:00:42am |
re: #363 MandyManners
Left-wing opponents? I thought only ignorant Republicans opposed it.
They mean things like physically blocking delivers of coal, etc.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:01:02am |
re: #355 Walter L. Newton
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Anyone heading to the left needs to be as careful as us on the right. There is some crazy stuff out there. Listen to Thom Hartmann for a few days, find out what stations he's on. He is the left's Rush Limbaugh, and just about every crazy thing you hear coming from the right wingnuts you will find coming from the left.
I said it over and over last year, before the elections (search LGF), that neither party is a refuge, they are all working for the same thing, but it seems a lot of people feel better aligning themselves with a certain party, I don't know, makes ya feel special.
Well, anyone loving the left lately, listen to Hartmann. Why? Because he is so far left, he spends most of his time pointing out how the Dems are in the pocket of the same people as the right.
He even talks the big "R." Taking to the streets. And guess what, he is as mainstream as Rush, really.
So think about who you are supporting, there is a lot of crazy out there.
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:01:16am |
re: #364 thedopefishlives
Wait just a goshdarn second. You guys are seriously getting married?
Yes! We met via LGF too. Pls send donations to Charles in lieu of gifts to us.
No joke!
I relocated to Scotland in early November; we're getting married in the US after Xmas.
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lawhawk Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:02:34am |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Seeing how the developing world countries plus China and India are going to derail everything if they don't get their way - read as demanding more money and concessions from the part of the world that actually produces most of the world's goods and services - they'll walk.
China, India and other developing nations boycotted U.N. climate talks Monday, bringing negotiations to a halt with their demand that rich countries discuss much deeper cuts in their greenhouse gas emissions.The move disrupted the 192-nation conference and forced the cancellation of formal working groups, delaying the frantic work of negotiators trying to clear away technical issues before the arrival of more than 110 world leaders later this week.
The developing countries want to extend the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which imposed penalties on rich nations if they did not comply with its strict emissions limits but made no such binding demands on developing nations.
Seeing how the world pretty much ignored the Kyoto caps and emissions continued growing (the US was not a signatory, and Europe and the other signatories still missed its targets, while China which wasn't included either - grew its emissions at the fastest clip of any nation and now is the single biggest emitter), any deal pushing for a Kyoto style agreement is also bound to end in failure.
It comes down to domestic politics - countries do not want to hamstring their own economic situation, and would rather get a handout from someone else - in the case of the developing world, it's the US and the Europeans to hand over money to the developing world.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:02:41am |
re: #362 iceweasel
Thanks! Gettin' married in a seekrit US location, then coming back here (Scotland).
It's a bit weird how much easier it is to get married in the US than in the UK (regardless of the citizenship status of the partners, I mean).
Weird. i had no idea. lived in brussels for a few years, but i was 10-12yo at the time, so never got around to asking about what it takes to get married on the Continent...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:02:44am |
re: #368 iceweasel
Yes! We met via LGF too. Pls send donations to Charles in lieu of gifts to us.
No joke!
I relocated to Scotland in early November; we're getting married in the US after Xmas.
Oh. My. GOSH. That is SO cool. For the record, the Mrs. Fish and I met on the interwebs (though not on LGF, sadly). My congratulations and best wishes to the happy couple.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:03:34am |
re: #366 Walter L. Newton
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
Anyone heading to the left needs to be as careful as us on the right. There is some crazy stuff out there. Listen to Thom Hartmann for a few days, find out what stations he's on. He is the left's Rush Limbaugh, and just about every crazy thing you hear coming from the right wingnuts you will find coming from the left.
I said it over and over last year, before the elections (search LGF), that neither party is a refuge, they are all working for the same thing, but it seems a lot of people feel better aligning themselves with a certain party, I don't know, makes ya feel special.
Well, anyone loving the left lately, listen to Hartmann. Why? Because he is so far left, he spends most of his time pointing out how the Dems are in the pocket of the same people as the right.
He even talks the big "R." Taking to the streets. And guess what, he is as mainstream as Rush, really.
So think about who you are supporting, there is a lot of crazy out there.
And a lot of time the bad crazy is almost outside of the left-wing spectrum. Anti-government types come to mind here, and I've seen them roughly align with both ends of the spectrum.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:06:14am |
re: #346 iceweasel
Hey Rogue! Lots happening here. We're getting married in less than two weeks!
What's new?
I knew it was coming up, didn't realize it would be that quick. You doing it in the states?
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:07:50am |
re: #372 McSpiff
And a lot of time the bad crazy is almost outside of the left-wing spectrum. Anti-government types come to mind here, and I've seen them roughly align with both ends of the spectrum.
Well we've demonstrably seen Ron Paul teapartiers cross over to left demonstrations multiple times, and vice versa. Code Pink at tea parties, Luap Norians at G8 demos. Both fringes are heavily invested in trying to convince the public that existing constitution, separation of powers, Bill of Rights, and democracy do not work. Both have strong luddite contingents and live in a cloud cuckoo land of kookspiracies.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:08:29am |
re: #373 RogueOne
I knew it was coming up, didn't realize it would be that quick. You doing it in the states?
Of course if I had just caught up to the thread I would have seen you mention 3 times you're getting married in the states.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:08:49am |
re: #369 lawhawk
Agree, which is why I want to talk about a local solution that includes at its heart a quantum leap in sustainability and energy independence in lieu of sacrifice and handouts.
I like owning a car, i like having enough square footage to relax in, and i looove eating (sustainable) meat...so let's install whatever clean tech in my backyard that would be necessary to make that happen! Then we can sit back and wait for the mad mullahs to complain about their total lack of oil revenue...
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:10:27am |
re: #374 Thanos
Well we've demonstrably seen Ron Paul teapartiers cross over to left demonstrations multiple times, and vice versa. Code Pink at tea parties, Luap Norians at G8 demos. Both fringes are heavily invested in trying to convince the public that existing constitution, separation of powers, Bill of Rights, and democracy do not work. Both have strong luddite contingents and live in a cloud cuckoo land of kookspiracies.
Totally. If you honestly think the world is run by alien lizards, party affiliations aren't really going to matter a whole hell of a lot.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:10:33am |
re: #372 McSpiff
And a lot of time the bad crazy is almost outside of the left-wing spectrum. Anti-government types come to mind here, and I've seen them roughly align with both ends of the spectrum.
No, listen to Hartmann, he's not outside nothing. I knew someone would try to make that point. If Hartmann is outside of the left-wing spectrum, then Rush Limbaugh is outside the right-wing spectrum.
I decided to keep track of major media spokespeople like Hartmann, since we have been hearing so much about the wacky-right lately. Well guess what, whether you like it or not, the left has got their fair share of prominent people.
Currently the right has no monopoly on popular crazy, no matter what the "left" wants you to think.
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:11:38am |
re: #372 McSpiff
And a lot of time the bad crazy is almost outside of the left-wing spectrum. Anti-government types come to mind here, and I've seen them roughly align with both ends of the spectrum.
There is some weird wrap around effect where the ends of the political spectrum crossover each other and tie themselves into a big bow of crazy. Anti-gubbmint sentiment seems to be the knot.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:12:30am |
re: #378 Walter L. Newton
If you want to follow the left nutballs add Medea Benjamin, Amy Goodman, and Next Left Notes to your list Walter.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:13:09am |
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:13:16am |
re: #378 Walter L. Newton
No, listen to Hartmann, he's not outside nothing. I knew someone would try to make that point. If Hartmann is outside of the left-wing spectrum, then Rush Limbaugh is outside the right-wing spectrum.
I decided to keep track of major media spokespeople like Hartmann, since we have been hearing so much about the wacky-right lately. Well guess what, whether you like it or not, the left has got their fair share of prominent people.
Currently the right has no monopoly on popular crazy, no matter what the "left" wants you to think.
I wasn't trying to make the point you think I was. Hartmann is nuts. Many on the left are nuts, many on the right are nuts. Sometimes people are nuts, and graviate to whatever party is most likely to pander to their particular brand of kooky. Neither side of the spectrum has a monopoly on crazy, and I'd argue "the spectrum" doesn't even have a monopoly on crazy.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:13:54am |
Inexplicably after Congress passed it -- almost like a bait and switch -- TARP was directed at banks rather than troubled assets. A little more than a year later, TARP Inspector Neil Barofsky reports that AIG's $1.5 trillion in credit fault swaps did not, after all, pose systemic risk. So if we were misled about the TARP bailout, it seems appropriate to question other aspects of government intervention since unemployment, foreclosures and bank failures have risen.
In fact, campaign promises notwithstanding, Obama has one of the most ambitious tax increase agendas of any President. He proposes new taxes on health plans, surcharges on the wealthy, drug companies and device-makers, foreign-source earnings, capital gains, personal income, estate, financial transaction, carried-interest and energy -- through a cap-and-trade regime.
[Link: detnews.com...]
you simply cannot trust the feds....Copenhagen is just another 'bow'
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:14:20am |
re: #372 McSpiff
And a lot of time the bad crazy is almost outside of the left-wing spectrum. Anti-government types come to mind here, and I've seen them roughly align with both ends of the spectrum.
The far left and far right meet at Jew-Hate Junction.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:14:42am |
re: #374 Thanos
Well we've demonstrably seen Ron Paul teapartiers cross over to left demonstrations multiple times, and vice versa. Code Pink at tea parties, Luap Norians at G8 demos. Both fringes are heavily invested in trying to convince the public that existing constitution, separation of powers, Bill of Rights, and democracy do not work. Both have strong luddite contingents and live in a cloud cuckoo land of kookspiracies.
Nope... they are not "fringes," like I said above, currently the right has no monopoly on popular crazy, no matter what the "left" wants you to think.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:15:23am |
re: #369 lawhawk
Seeing how the developing world countries plus China and India are going to derail everything if they don't get their way - read as demanding more money and concessions from the part of the world that actually produces most of the world's goods and services - they'll walk.
Seeing how the world pretty much ignored the Kyoto caps and emissions continued growing (the US was not a signatory, and Europe and the other signatories still missed its targets, while China which wasn't included either - grew its emissions at the fastest clip of any nation and now is the single biggest emitter), any deal pushing for a Kyoto style agreement is also bound to end in failure.It comes down to domestic politics - countries do not want to hamstring their own economic situation, and would rather get a handout from someone else - in the case of the developing world, it's the US and the Europeans to hand over money to the developing world.
Here's what concerns me: BHO seems to be willing to do just that, hamstring our economy and turn money over to the Third World. Remember what he said during the campaign about America not being able to eat what we wanted and in general live the way we wanted?
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:15:26am |
re: #381 MandyManners
That's happened?
Yep.
[Link: www.greenpeace.org...]
RAYONG, Thailand — Our activists today disrupted the construction of an internationally-funded coal power plant and demanded that the project be stopped immediately. Activists from Thailand, Philippines and Germany occupied the main crane of the coal power plant to demand renewable energy for Southeast Asia.
Not coal deliveries per say, but I think that story still counts?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:15:30am |
re: #379 iceweasel
There is some weird wrap around effect where the ends of the political spectrum crossover each other and tie themselves into a big bow of crazy. Anti-gubbmint sentiment seems to be the knot.
I really think that one could draw the political spectrum in a circle. E.g. totalinarianists of left and right persuasions (Hitler, Stalin) have much, much more in common that a 'typical' left or right-leaning person, don't you think?
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:15:37am |
re: #374 Thanos
Well we've demonstrably seen Ron Paul teapartiers cross over to left demonstrations multiple times, and vice versa. Code Pink at tea parties, Luap Norians at G8 demos. Both fringes are heavily invested in trying to convince the public that existing constitution, separation of powers, Bill of Rights, and democracy do not work. Both have strong luddite contingents and live in a cloud cuckoo land of kookspiracies.
And they both hate Israel.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:16:18am |
re: #382 McSpiff
I wasn't trying to make the point you think I was. Hartmann is nuts. Many on the left are nuts, many on the right are nuts. Sometimes people are nuts, and graviate to whatever party is most likely to pander to their particular brand of kooky. Neither side of the spectrum has a monopoly on crazy, and I'd argue "the spectrum" doesn't even have a monopoly on crazy.
Well, if Hartmann is nuts, then I would be careful of the far-left as I we are being told to be careful of the wacky-right, because even if you think Hartmann is nuts, he really is a major media spokesperson.
The left has just done a better job of keeping their crazies off the right blogs.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:16:23am |
re: #379 iceweasel
There is some weird wrap around effect where the ends of the political spectrum crossover each other and tie themselves into a big bow of crazy. Anti-gubbmint sentiment seems to be the knot.
for some of us it's not 'anti'...it's less govt, not more
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:16:33am |
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
Nope... they are not "fringes," like I said above, currently the right has no monopoly on popular crazy, no matter what the "left" wants you to think.
Remember that Alex Jones was anti-Bush for ages.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:17:01am |
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
??
Amy Goodman and the rest of the cast I named are fringes, they try populist attacks on their party moderates just like the right fringers are trying to tear down moderates in the Republican party. I don't think I understand what you are trying to say here. Can you be more clear?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:17:38am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Remember that Alex Jones was anti-Bush for ages.
I never paid attention to Jones at all, first time I ever heard his name was here, and I never even heard a single thing he has said, but I take your word for it.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:17:42am |
re: #384 Sharmuta
The far left and far right meet at Jew-Hate Junction.
sad, funny and true all jumbled up together.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:17:53am |
Just a few quick thoughts on the subject of this cartoon and the hubris it entails...
Many have posted something to the effect of - OK I am not a scientist, how do I choose who is legitimate?
Just a few days ago, a denier here was posting that AGW was a blatant violation of the laws of thermodynamics. Of course it is not. Scientists do not bet against thermodynamics. We just don't because we know thermo is one of the ways that the universe works. If there were such a violation, AGW - particularly a clear violation that would be obvious at first glance - AGW would have been stillborn decades ago as a concept.
So I propose the following when presented by these weak and distorted arguments. If someone says the word thermodynamics, ask them to define entropy and to clearly state the second law. (Though in the case of that poster, he was misusing the first law, but that is a quibble).
Now if you are lucky, they will wiki these things, and then from the definitions they themselves posted, you will be able to clearly see that their original silly point was silly.
Most of course, would not bother to do it and spout off on some other talking point they have.
However, at that point, you can ask, if they are so knowledgeable about basic science, why can't they define their terms? That is step one.
This brings me to the next point. If anyone comes to you with some scientific argument at all that doesn't make sense to you, just ask them to explain their terms. It's really basic. If they are legit, they will happily answer you. In fact, in so doing, they support their own case, so they have every reason to answer you.
But the biggest issue here is the lack of scientific thinking. Sometimes like in this cartoon, you get a really bright person, who does not know the science, but they sure are convinced of how clever they are. They will come up with some complicated "insight" and defend it dearly not because they are arguing science, but because they want to be seen as clever. OK that's fine we are all human and we all want to be seen as smart.
However, as I have written here many times, the basics of AGW are simple. They are super simple. They are as simple as knowing that the sun is hot and that if you trap more heat from the sun, you will get hotter yourself.
And that really is the issue with the obfuscations. The more sophisticated deniers come out with some technical quibble that requires the scientist to explain the science at length on a secondary or tertiary point. It manages to divert attention from the simple facts that anyone could grasp.
I used the analogy that even though ultimately quantum chemistry is what makes mercury fulminate go boom when it is struck, (this is how rounds get set off when the hammer or pin comes down) one does not need to understand QM to know that they do not want to stand in front of a bullet.
Same here. You do not need to know the complex mathematics of the models to know that doubling a GHG concentration will and must warm a planet.
So I propose that rather than letting these fools quibble and piddle stick to the points.
To use the gun analogy a little more, a scientist claims that high speed lead is bad for you, and that therefore you do not want to stand in front of a gun, and his or her opponent starts quibbling about aerodynamics, or the engaging quantum chemistry of mercury fulminate - in some way that clearly shows they know jack and squat about either, you probably have a good bet on who is right. This is particularly if you just look at basic principles and think for yourself.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:20:39am |
re: #392 MandyManners
Remember that Alex Jones was anti-Bush for ages.
Exactly the point I was trying to make. Alex Jones doesn't see America as having a left-ring spectrum. In his mind he's "anti-ruling class". So when a republican gets elected, he'll appear to switch sides but in his own mind, he'll still be fighting the same fights. You see the same thing with commie/anarchist types. I have no doubt they're painting over the "Bush = Hitler" signs with Obama's name, getting ready for the next G8 conference.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:20:40am |
re: #394 Walter L. Newton
I never paid attention to Jones at all, first time I ever heard his name was here, and I never even heard a single thing he has said, but I take your word for it.
Thank you.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:20:40am |
re: #386 MandyManners
Here's what concerns me: BHO seems to be willing to do just that, hamstring our economy and turn money over to the Third World. Remember what he said during the campaign about America not being able to eat what we wanted and in general live the way we wanted?
I certainly haven't...and I take him dead serious
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:21:47am |
re: #393 Thanos
??
Amy Goodman and the rest of the cast I named are fringes, they try populist attacks on their party moderates just like the right fringers are trying to tear down moderates in the Republican party. I don't think I understand what you are trying to say here. Can you be more clear?
I don't see anyone using the term "fringe" when talking about Beck and Rush. Seems to me they are the biggest thing in conservatism since sliced bread... gee, seems they get a lot of coverage here.
That's my point. It seems that when it comes to the left, they are "fringe" and when it comes to the right, they have taken over the party.
I've been listening to Maddox, Shultz, Jesse Jackson etal: these are all MAJOR media spokespersons for the left, not just "fringe." Hell, Jesse sounds like he is still fighting the pre-civil rights battles, in his mind, the right wants to go back to slavery.
Nope, I'm not swallowing it. Anyone wants to go to the left, you got major problems over there too. Not just "fringe."
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:21:49am |
re: #400 albusteve
I certainly haven't...and I take him dead serious
When a man tells you who he is, believe him.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:22:19am |
re: #395 Aceofwhat?
Far too often it seems Israel and Jews are the target of everyone's bigotry- far left, far right, islamists... I've never understood anti-Semitism, so I guess I'm not welcome on the fringes, and I'm glad.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:24:03am |
re: #402 MandyManners
When a man tells you who he is, believe him.
we were called lunatics for presuming this would happen...beyond the pale that BO would intentionally stall and slow down our economy to strengthen govt intervention...some still deny it I'm sure
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Aye Pod Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:24:08am |
re: #373 RogueOne
I knew it was coming up, didn't realize it would be that quick. You doing it in the states?
Yes! At a seekrit but romantic location. We have been busily making preparations (including intensive nest building) hence our recent relative absence. I gotta say I can't wait...:)
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:25:00am |
re: #403 Sharmuta
Far too often it seems Israel and Jews are the target of everyone's bigotry- far left, far right, islamists... I've never understood anti-Semitism, so I guess I'm not welcome on the fringes, and I'm glad.
I personally blame Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johannson, Jennifer Connely, Winona Ryder, Gwennyth Paltrow and every other fabulously beautiful Jewish woman like them.
I think it is jealousy and they want our girls!
:)
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:26:34am |
re: #388 Aceofwhat?
I really think that one could draw the political spectrum in a circle. E.g. totalinarianists of left and right persuasions (Hitler, Stalin) have much, much more in common that a 'typical' left or right-leaning person, don't you think?
Authoritarianism exists on both the right and the left; on the left you get totalitarianism, on the right fascism. I like the political compass rather than the linear spectrum:
[Link: www.politicalcompass.org...]
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:26:55am |
re: #403 Sharmuta
Far too often it seems Israel and Jews are the target of everyone's bigotry- far left, far right, islamists... I've never understood anti-Semitism, so I guess I'm not welcome on the fringes, and I'm glad.
Never understood it either. Of all people to single out for persecution...I've known hundreds of wonderful Jews and I can't think of anything but wonderful anecdotes. It only reinforces my belief in a certain Divine figure...you'd have to hate their God in order to hate them that much. There isn't any other reason for the persecution.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:27:22am |
Unsurprisingly, the guy who created that mangled version of Darwin's Origin of the Species also plagiarized while doing so.
Intentionally teaching the wrong thing is just so damn wrong, man.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:27:30am |
The key decision on preventing catastrophic climate change will be delayed for up to six years if the Copenhagen summit delivers a compromise deal which ignores advice from the UN’s science body.
World leaders will not agree on the emissions cuts recommended by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and are likely instead to commit to reviewing them in 2015 or 2016.
another last ditch chance out the window....arguing over the bill?...we're all gonna DIE!
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:27:37am |
re: #394 Walter L. Newton
I never paid attention to Jones at all, first time I ever heard his name was here, and I never even heard a single thing he has said, but I take your word for it.
Everything Alex says gets retreaded and repackaged and fed back out through various groups. You never heard of "NWO" or trooferism? That's Alex since 1998. While most of his stuff is retreaded Bircherism and Survivalist swill, some of it you have seen or heard of if not directly from Alex's mouth. "Loose Change" comes to mind.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:27:54am |
re: #406 LudwigVanQuixote
I recently learned Daniel Radcliffe is Jewish, so you can claim Harry Potter too.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:27:58am |
re: #406 LudwigVanQuixote
I personally blame Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johannson, Jennifer Connely, Winona Ryder, Gwennyth Paltrow and every other fabulously beautiful Jewish woman like them.
I think it is jealousy and they want our girls!
:)
Cough Rachel Weisz Cough. Seriously, I'd be willing to lose some skin for that...
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:28:23am |
re: #406 LudwigVanQuixote
I personally blame Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johannson, Jennifer Connely, Winona Ryder, Gwennyth Paltrow and every other fabulously beautiful Jewish woman like them.
I think it is jealousy and they want our girls!
:)
Natalie Portman is a Jewess? *faints*
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:29:18am |
re: #406 LudwigVanQuixote
I personally blame Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johannson, Jennifer Connely, Winona Ryder, Gwennyth Paltrow and every other fabulously beautiful Jewish woman like them.
I think it is jealousy and they want our girls!
:)
[smiles]
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:29:19am |
re: #406 LudwigVanQuixote
I personally blame Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johannson, Jennifer Connely, Winona Ryder, Gwennyth Paltrow and every other fabulously beautiful Jewish woman like them.
I think it is jealousy and they want our girls!
:)
Who cares about these brainless bimbos. Babushka has daughters, and granddaughters.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:29:57am |
re: #411 Thanos
Everything Alex says gets retreaded and repackaged and fed back out through various groups. You never heard of "NWO" or trooferism? That's Alex since 1998. While most of his stuff is retreaded Bircherism and Survivalist swill, some of it you have seen or heard of if not directly from Alex's mouth. "Loose Change" comes to mind.
You are talking me too literally. I mean I have never heard HIM himself speak, talk, say anything, never read any of his essays, articles, show... that's what I mean. Of course I know who he is and some of his beliefs. I'm not stupid.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:30:03am |
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The Left Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:30:33am |
Drunken Santa rides around Wisconsin town hugging little kids
Santa and one of his little helpers helped themselves to a little too much Christmas cheer in Sparta, Wis., over the weekend, and ended up in trouble with the law.
It all started with a phone call to police about a man in a Santa suit who "stumbled from the vehicle, approached several children playing in a yard and began to hug them, demanding to know where his reindeer were," police told the La Crosse Tribune.
It didn't take long for the cops to find the errant sleigh, arrest Kevin Arnold, the driver, on suspicion of drunken driving, and cite Santa -- Thomas Arnold -- for open intoxicants.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:31:26am |
re: #401 Walter L. Newton
Well they pretty much have taken over Walter. There's a power vacuum right now and they are filling the void with sturm und drang, sound and fury, I keep hoping that it will not last but it's just like the poem.
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Sidenote: Auden didn't like this poem in hindsight and left it out of some books later.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:31:34am |
re: #411 Thanos
And, back to my other statement... how come Hartmann is "fringe" and Rush is mainstream right? Seems like it's trying to minimize the extent of the crazy on the left.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:31:46am |
re: #416 Alouette
Who cares about these brainless bimbos. Babushka has daughters, and granddaughters.
I'm gonna need to stand up for Natalie Portman here
In June 2003, Portman graduated from Harvard College with a bachelor's degree in psychology. At Harvard, Portman was Alan Dershowitz's research assistant (he thanks her in The Case for Israel) in a psychology lab. While attending Harvard, she was a resident of Lowell House[13] and wrote a letter to the Harvard Crimson in response to an anti-Israeli essay.[14]Portman took graduate courses at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem in the spring of 2004.[11] In March 2006, she appeared as a guest lecturer at a Columbia University course in terrorism and counterterrorism, where she spoke about her film V for Vendetta.[15]
In addition to being bilingual in Hebrew[16] and English, Portman has studied[17] French,[18] Japanese,[18] German,[19] and Arabic.[20]
As a student, Portman co-authored two research papers that were published in professional scientific journals. Her 1998 high school paper, "A Simple Method To Demonstrate the Enzymatic Production of Hydrogen from Sugar," was entered in the Intel Science Talent Search.[21] In 2002, she contributed to a study on memory called "Frontal Lobe Activation During Object Permanence" during her psychology studies at Harvard.[22]
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:32:09am |
re: #420 Thanos
Well they pretty much have taken over Walter. There's a power vacuum right now and they are filling the void with sturm und drang, sound and fury, I keep hoping that it will not last but it's just like the poem.
Sidenote: Auden didn't like this poem in hindsight and left it out of some books later.
Then is it all "fringe" right or left?
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:32:21am |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
And, back to my other statement... how come Hartmann is "fringe" and Rush is mainstream right? Seems like it's trying to minimize the extent of the crazy on the left.
Has any prominent Democrat ever had to apologize to Hartmann?
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:32:28am |
re: #408 Aceofwhat?
Never understood it either. Of all people to single out for persecution...I've known hundreds of wonderful Jews and I can't think of anything but wonderful anecdotes. It only reinforces my belief in a certain Divine figure...you'd have to hate their God in order to hate them that much. There isn't any other reason for the persecution.
Well- I know some fundamentalist types who still blame the Jews for crucifying Jesus, so that plays a large role in anti-Semitism. I often think these types are the ones who "support" Israel because they're trying to bring about the end times.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:32:49am |
re: #416 Alouette
Who cares about these brainless bimbos. Babushka has daughters, and granddaughters.
Have I got a girl for you!
Though to be fair, none of them are brainless. Natalie Portman went to Princeton, Jennifer Conelly wen to Yale and Gwennyth Paltrow actually comes from a very distinguished rabbinic line in England.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:33:12am |
re: #419 iceweasel
And people thought Rudolph's red nose was congenital...turns out it was whiskey!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:33:29am |
re: #409 Obdicut
Unsurprisingly, the guy who created that mangled version of Darwin's Origin of the Species also plagiarized while doing so.
Intentionally teaching the wrong thing is just so damn wrong, man.
Big surprise. Comfort was already into "Lying for Jesus", plagiarism is just another type of that sort of lying. However, unlike some kinds of lying, this type may get earn Comfort a lawsuit. A legal finding he plagiarized would help weaken Comfort.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:34:18am |
re: #426 LudwigVanQuixote
Have I got a girl for you!
Though to be fair, none of them are brainless. Natalie Portman went to Princeton, Jennifer Conelly wen to Yale and Gwennyth Paltrow actually comes from a very distinguished rabbinic line in England.
My daughter went to Brooklyn College (on Pell grant), she couldn't afford those fancy shmancy Ivy League schools. So what is she, chopped liver?
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Aye Pod Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:34:18am |
re: #406 LudwigVanQuixote
I personally blame Natalie Portman, Scarlett Johannson, Jennifer Connely, Winona Ryder, Gwennyth Paltrow and every other fabulously beautiful Jewish woman like them.
I think it is jealousy and they want our girls!
:)
And that's without even mentioning Sarah Silverman!
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:34:41am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:34:52am |
re: #425 Sharmuta
Well- I know some fundamentalist types who still blame the Jews for crucifying Jesus, so that plays a large role in anti-Semitism. I often think these types are the ones who "support" Israel because they're trying to bring about the end times.
What a bunch of morons. Where do they think they end up if Jesus doesn't get crucified?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:34:54am |
re: #426 LudwigVanQuixote
Have I got a girl for you!
Though to be fair, none of them are brainless. Natalie Portman went to Princeton, Jennifer Conelly wen to Yale and Gwennyth Paltrow actually comes from a very distinguished rabbinic line in England.
PIMF Portman went to Harvard :)
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:34:55am |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
And, back to my other statement... how come Hartmann is "fringe" and Rush is mainstream right? Seems like it's trying to minimize the extent of the crazy on the left.
What's Hartman's audience size compared to Limbaugh's?
Does every new meme he mentions get retreaded endlessly for a week across the ENTIRE left wing blogosphere from Huffpo to Firedoglake to DU almost without fail?
If someone criticizes him lightly is there ceaseless furor and in the end an apology?
Are Left wing politicians afraid to contradict him?
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:35:08am |
Larry Summers said, “Today, everybody agrees that the recession is over, and the question is what the pace of the expansion is going to be."
but then....
Christina Roemer -- asked if the recession is over -- said, “"Of course not. For the people on Main Street and throughout this country, they are still suffering, the unemployment rate is still 10 percent." She also said that the recession won’t be over until unemployment reaches “normal levels,” about 5%.
[Link: www.humanevents.com...]
nice to know BOs people have this all figured out eh?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:35:46am |
re: #430 Alouette
My daughter went to Brooklyn College (on Pell grant), she couldn't afford those fancy shmancy Ivy League schools. So what is she, chopped liver?
She is a daughter of Israel with the blood of kings and prophets. That is sufficient for me.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:36:08am |
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:36:13am |
re: #405 Jimmah
..... We have been busily making preparations (including intensive nest building) hence our recent relative absence. I gotta say I can't wait...:)
Will this be your first trip to the states? Hope you're headed somewhere warm.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:36:46am |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
And, back to my other statement... how come Hartmann is "fringe" and Rush is mainstream right? Seems like it's trying to minimize the extent of the crazy on the left.
Ya' think?!
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:36:54am |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
And, back to my other statement... how come Hartmann is "fringe" and Rush is mainstream right? Seems like it's trying to minimize the extent of the crazy on the left.
it is...but we have our standards here ya know
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:37:02am |
re: #413 McSpiff
Cough Rachel Weisz Cough. Seriously, I'd be willing to lose some skin for that...
It's a simple procedure :)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:37:37am |
re: #431 Jimmah
And that's without even mentioning Sarah Silverman!
Sarah Silverman is an asshole. She's mean, snarky, and dishes out low blows on a David Letterman level. I've disliked her ever since she had the unmitigated gall to call Britney Spears' two sons "mistakes" at the VMAs. It's one thing to make fun of someone, but to call their children mistakes is way over the line.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:37:56am |
Berlusconi attack prompts Italy soul searching
Italians asked on Monday if an ugly assault on Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi was prompted by a "climate of hatred" splitting their nation and commentators said a wave of sympathy looked set to boost his political fortunes.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:38:02am |
re: #424 Obdicut
Has any prominent Democrat ever had to apologize to Hartmann?
I don't know, is that the test for who's fringe and who's not? Bottom line is, the who group, Maadox, Hartmann, Shultz, Jackson (and many more) make up a good bulk of the major talkers for the left and I don't see them as being fringe. I've been listening to them, they have a good base.
If we are talking number,s I suspect Rush has got that hands down, but he started 30 years ago. But when it comes to "crazy," Rush has nothing over these left wing talkers.
Yet, they are "fringe...?" Bull. The left has a lot of crazy going on, and to ignore it is to being uninformed.
I'm informing.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:38:33am |
re: #433 Aceofwhat?
What a bunch of morons. Where do they think they end up if Jesus doesn't get crucified?
I often wonder about that, and wonder if they skipped the part where Jesus asked them to be forgiven.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:38:41am |
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:39:15am |
re: #444 Sharmuta
God damn it. The last thing that asshole needs is sympathy.
What is it, Europe, with you and Fascism? Was 1939 really that long ago?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:39:20am |
re: #435 Thanos
What's Hartman's audience size compared to Limbaugh's?
Does every new meme he mentions get retreaded endlessly for a week across the ENTIRE left wing blogosphere from Huffpo to Firedoglake to DU almost without fail?
If someone criticizes him lightly is there ceaseless furor and in the end an apology?
Are Left wing politicians afraid to contradict him?
I don't know, he comes up all across the blogosphere, and it appears that he is well liked. Of course he doesn't have the numbers as Rush does, Rush has had a 20 year head start.
But crazy is crazy, and the left crazy is there, stop ignoring it.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:39:37am |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
Sarah Silverman is an asshole. She's mean, snarky, and dishes out low blows on a David Letterman level. I've disliked her ever since she had the unmitigated gall to call Britney Spears' two sons "mistakes" at the VMAs. It's one thing to make fun of someone, but to call their children mistakes is way over the line.
One of her "comedy routines" consists of singing at a group of senior citizens, "You're gonna die soon!" and slapping her dead grandmother in the coffin.
Real classy, that lassy.
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T Joe Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:39:44am |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
And, back to my other statement... how come Hartmann is "fringe" and Rush is mainstream right? Seems like it's trying to minimize the extent of the crazy on the left.
This is the reason. 10% of republicans identify Limbaugh as the person who most speaks for their party. 0% of Democrats identified Hartmann. Also, their audiences sizes are hugely different. Limbaugh draws in nearly 8 times as many people.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:40:17am |
re: #445 Walter L. Newton
Okay, in how many polls of who is a leader of the Democratic party does Hartmann's name show up?
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:40:19am |
re: #448 Obdicut
God damn it. The last thing that asshole needs is sympathy.
What is it, Europe, with you and Fascism? Was 1939 really that long ago?
I was thinking the same thing! But that's how fascists roll- they love looking like victims.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:41:14am |
re: #447 McSpiff
You get my dinner date setup, then we talk ;-)
Mhhmmmm,
If Rachael Wiesz were single and in the market for a Jewish man, I would try to fix you up?
:)
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:41:25am |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
Sarah Silverman is an asshole. She's mean, snarky, and dishes out low blows on a David Letterman level. I've disliked her ever since she had the unmitigated gall to call Britney Spears' two sons "mistakes" at the VMAs. It's one thing to make fun of someone, but to call their children mistakes is way over the line.
Well- we're supposed to think babies are bad, I thought...
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:41:28am |
more bad news from Copenhagen...not as important as Jewish movie stars, but still....
[Link: www.chron.com...]
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:42:00am |
Btw: I've always thought of Limbaugh myself as fringe, but that's not the point. Right now he and the other Socons have inordinate leverage on the party, the fringe on the left doesn't appear to have that atm, otherwise we would be talking about dragging up immediately from Afghanistan, not winning. There would be endless catcalls and opposition to the O's acceptance speech on Just war, etc.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:42:11am |
re: #454 LudwigVanQuixote
Mhhmmmm,
If Rachael Wiesz were single and in the market for a Jewish man, I would try to fix you up?
:)
Well player sir.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:42:55am |
re: #455 Sharmuta
Well- we're supposed to think babies are bad, I thought...
I don't think that was the point Charles was trying to make, Sharm.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:43:15am |
re: #449 Walter L. Newton
Who's ignoring it? I just named a few groups upthread that you probably never heard of prior. Or are you trying to content complain to Charles?
| 462 |
Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:43:45am |
Developing countries boycott UN climate talks
China, India and other developing nations boycotted U.N. climate talks Monday, bringing negotiations to a halt with their demand that rich countries discuss much deeper cuts in their greenhouse gas emissions.
The move disrupted the 192-nation conference and forced the cancellation of formal working groups, delaying the frantic work of negotiators trying to clear away technical issues before the arrival of more than 110 world leaders later this week.
The developing countries want to extend the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which imposed penalties on rich nations if they did not comply with its strict emissions limits but made no such binding demands on developing nations.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:44:09am |
re: #459 albusteve
my fringe is bigger than your fringe
Hell no, I inherited my grandfather's fringed suede jackets from the 70's. I have fringes on my fringes.
/except I don't wear them, because they're really ugly.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:44:27am |
re: #456 albusteve
more bad news from Copenhagen...not as important as Jewish movie stars, but still...
[Link: www.chron.com...]
Yeah, to be expected. They seem to think that since other nations polluted, they should be able to as well. I love how two of the strongest world economies are somehow developing in this case.
What steams me the most is it was our own greed that did it. Rather than pay decent wages to American workers with even basic environmental regulations, and buy domestic products, we funded their expansion.
Go us.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:44:34am |
re: #460 Dark_Falcon
Nor did I say that- but other people did.
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Aye Pod Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:45:12am |
re: #443 Dark_Falcon
Sarah Silverman is an asshole. She's mean, snarky, and dishes out low blows on a David Letterman level. I've disliked her ever since she had the unmitigated gall to call Britney Spears' two sons "mistakes" at the VMAs. It's one thing to make fun of someone, but to call their children mistakes is way over the line.
Well, I've noticed before that she's not to everyones taste. I think she's hilarious though, and although perhaps she has gone 'over the line' on occasion, most complaint's I've seen seem to be based on a misunderstanding of her intentions.
Here's 'Young Turk's having a good laugh at one of the most hilarious episodes from her TV show (full warning : religiously sensitive people shouldn't watch this one!)
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cliffster Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:45:20am |
re: #459 albusteve
my fringe is bigger than your fringe
Mine's bigger. Let's see it, c'mon - right now - on the table.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:46:21am |
re: #434 LudwigVanQuixote
PIMF Portman went to Harvard :)
She's smart, she's beautiful, and she's Israeli. What more could anyone ask for?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:46:54am |
re: #452 Obdicut
Okay, in how many polls of who is a leader of the Democratic party does Hartmann's name show up?
That's not my point. Just be careful, there is crazy on the left that no one is paying attention to, and from what I am listening too, it's not just "fringe" and it's going to get bigger.
It's simple, be careful, that advice can't be bad, can it?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:46:59am |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:47:27am |
re: #456 albusteve
more bad news from Copenhagen...not as important as Jewish movie stars, but still...
[Link: www.chron.com...]
That decision by China and India will likely sink the conference. We need to threaten action in order to bring them back to the table. Perhaps some tariffs or anti-outsourcing legislation is in order.
Also:
Former Vice President Al Gore told the conference that new data suggests a 75 percent chance the entire Arctic polar ice cap may disappear in the summertime as soon as five to seven years from now. Gore, who won a Nobel Peace prize for his work on climate change, joined the foreign ministers of Norway and Denmark in presenting two new reports on melting Arctic ice.
Gore should not be presenting these reports for the first time. The fact that Al Gore presented them will cause many Americans to disbelieve them simply because he's associated with them.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:48:34am |
Walter, I honestly hear you however -- it goes back to leverage. Right now those fringe left groups have little purchase or leverage because there's a congressional election cycle in less than a year and the moderate and even right center Dems need to get re elected - they aren't going to be very active, nor are they going to sway opinion on the left. Post 2010 you can expect that they will grow in power on the left.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:49:03am |
re: #471 Dark_Falcon
Gore should not be presenting these reports for the first time. The fact that Al Gore presented them will cause many Americans to disbelieve them simply because he's associated with them.
The leverage that we have over China and India is that we do not need to buy their sweat shop stuff.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:49:12am |
re: #464 LudwigVanQuixote
What the developing companies should get is green tech at discount prices. And they should be damn happy with that, as well.
It's funny; the US gets blamed for having historically pumped shitloads of CO2 into the air. It's true, we did; so did most of the industrialized West. But, even though global warming was realized as an idea in the 1800s, it obviously wasn't clear what its effects would be or the rapidity that it would come about at the time.
It was Western science, the same nations doing the polluting, that brought us to the realization that we need to change. It is the US and Europe that's mainly going to pull us out of it.
I know that China is doing some stuff about global warming tech, but they have a command economy: if they really wanted to take the lead on renewable energy, they could. But they won't, because that requires too much academic and intellectual freedom.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:49:17am |
re: #472 Thanos
Walter, I honestly hear you however -- it goes back to leverage. Right now those fringe left groups have little purchase or leverage because there's a congressional election cycle in less than a year and the moderate and even right center Dems need to get re elected - they aren't going to be very active, nor are they going to sway opinion on the left. Post 2010 you can expect that they will grow in power on the left.
Especially if a few of the Blue Dogs get picked off, as is likely to happen.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:49:23am |
re: #461 Thanos
Who's ignoring it? I just named a few groups upthread that you probably never heard of prior. Or are you trying to content complain to Charles?
Don't try to bait me. Over the past few weeks I've decided to listen to the left, wanted to know what popular talkers are saying on that side, a lot of it sounds as wacky as the right.
Deny that?
Point is simple. Just be careful, there is crazy on the left that no one is paying attention to, and from what I am listening too, it's not just "fringe" and it's going to get bigger. And some of it is really sounding dangerous.
It's simple, be careful, that advice can't be bad, can it?
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:50:05am |
re: #469 Walter L. Newton
Sure. I'll be careful. Thanks for the advice.
The fringe on the right is in control of the GOP right now, and the fringe is on the floor of the House of Representatives, lying about climate change.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:50:25am |
re: #474 Obdicut
You're not supposed to say nice things about the United States...
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:50:53am |
just imagine the price of Union Made In America plastic Easter eggs
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cliffster Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:50:59am |
re: #462 Sharmuta
They may have a point about prior emissions, but it's those developing nations that would really put the foot on the gas and drive everyone off the cliff.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:51:24am |
re: #472 Thanos
Walter, I honestly hear you however -- it goes back to leverage. Right now those fringe left groups have little purchase or leverage because there's a congressional election cycle in less than a year and the moderate and even right center Dems need to get re elected - they aren't going to be very active, nor are they going to sway opinion on the left. Post 2010 you can expect that they will grow in power on the left.
Ron Paul had no leverage 6 years ago. Hartmann was even praising Paul. If the far-left starts hooking up around with the far-right, there will be leverage quicker than you expect.
And that was what I was hearing Hartmann saying this past week, it was a major theme that came up a number of different days.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:52:29am |
re: #473 LudwigVanQuixote
The leverage that we have over China and India is that we do not need to buy their sweat shop stuff.
But we'd have to force corporations not to do business with them to get America to stop. It's very hard to find a mobile phone that is not made in China. HTC, Sanyo, and Blackberry are the only ones I know of. Maybe some Nokia as well, though I'm not sure. We'd need government action to make companies change suppliers.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:52:34am |
why are so many undeveloped countries undeveloped?...what are their govts up to?....the UN should look into that when they get some time
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:53:46am |
re: #480 albusteve
just imagine the price of Union Made In America plastic Easter eggs
yeah they might double the price from 25 c each to 50 c!
OH no!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:53:55am |
re: #477 Obdicut
Sure. I'll be careful. Thanks for the advice.
The fringe on the right is in control of the GOP right now, and the fringe is on the floor of the House of Representatives, lying about climate change.
Don't worry, the science will hold up... right? And the Dems have the votes, so, nothing to worry about... right?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:54:01am |
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:55:26am |
re: #482 Walter L. Newton
That's what I've been saying too, so we are really talking past each other Walter. "Third Way" politics comes from both ends of the spectrum and is most interested in tearing down the existing systems. That's why anarchists and fascists find themselves marching shoulder to shoulder on some issues while on others they have brawls in Antwerp.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:56:27am |
re: #483 Dark_Falcon
But we'd have to force corporations not to do business with them to get America to stop. It's very hard to find a mobile phone that is not made in China. HTC, Sanyo, and Blackberry are the only ones I know of. Maybe some Nokia as well, though I'm not sure. We'd need government action to make companies change suppliers.
Which is why I have been arguing for some time that the free market won't do it alone.
I am all for using a carrot and stick approach with them. We help them develop reusable green tech, they implement it, or we tarrif the hell out of them. We could even pay for it in the long run, if we took serious action ourselves and developed our own domestic energy production, modernized our grid and recycled a bit more. Just think of all the money that we would not be shipping into Saudi and Venezuela, but rather directly back into the American economy.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:57:10am |
re: #490 LudwigVanQuixote
Which is why I have been arguing for some time that the free market won't do it alone.
I am all for using a carrot and stick approach with them. We help them develop reusable green tech, they implement it, or we tarrif the hell out of them. We could even pay for it in the long run, if we took serious action ourselves and developed our own domestic energy production, modernized our grid and recycled a bit more. Just think of all the money that we would not be shipping into Saudi and Venezuela, but rather directly back into the American economy.
Quite Concur. Your proposal has great merit.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:57:21am |
re: #485 Sharmuta
It's the United States' fault.
centuries of exploiting our overseas colonies...I got an A+ on that paper I wrote in high school
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:57:54am |
re: #478 Sharmuta
You're not supposed to say nice things about the United States...
The US is the best hope humanity has. But we need to live up to that role. We're being dragged down by our legacy of anti-intellectualism and anti-science superstition, and that ideology is being actively waved like a flag by many members of the GOP.
Combating AGW is a national security issue, and national power issue, a national prestige issue. We need to be the nation to develop those new technologies-- partially to remain as the dominant superpower in the world, which I believe is a good thing for the world, despite our flaws, but also because we are the nation that combines the science expertise, engineering expertise, and workforce necessary to implement huge technological shifts in a short period of time.
It's got to be us.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:58:33am |
re: #489 Thanos
That's what I've been saying too, so we are really talking past each other Walter. "Third Way" politics comes from both ends of the spectrum and is most interested in tearing down the existing systems. That's why anarchists and fascists find themselves marching shoulder to shoulder on some issues while on others they have brawls in Antwerp.
And it really sounded like Hartmann was suggesting a "take it to the streets" attitude, if you catch my drift?
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:58:58am |
re: #487 Walter L. Newton
I'm sorry, Walter, I don't understand what your question is. Have you ever heard me say anything good about the Democrats' ability to get anything done?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:59:10am |
re: #493 Obdicut
The US is the best hope humanity has. But we need to live up to that role. We're being dragged down by our legacy of anti-intellectualism and anti-science superstition, and that ideology is being actively waved like a flag by many members of the GOP.
Combating AGW is a national security issue, and national power issue, a national prestige issue. We need to be the nation to develop those new technologies-- partially to remain as the dominant superpower in the world, which I believe is a good thing for the world, despite our flaws, but also because we are the nation that combines the science expertise, engineering expertise, and workforce necessary to implement huge technological shifts in a short period of time.
It's got to be us.
And it hurts prostitution. It effects everything.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:59:29am |
re: #493 Obdicut
The US is the best hope humanity has. But we need to live up to that role. We're being dragged down by our legacy of anti-intellectualism and anti-science superstition, and that ideology is being actively waved like a flag by many members of the GOP.
Combating AGW is a national security issue, and national power issue, a national prestige issue. We need to be the nation to develop those new technologies-- partially to remain as the dominant superpower in the world, which I believe is a good thing for the world, despite our flaws, but also because we are the nation that combines the science expertise, engineering expertise, and workforce necessary to implement huge technological shifts in a short period of time.
It's got to be us.
That is exactly true, especially since every other economy in the world is tied to ours intimately. If we go in a certain direction and mean it, they must follow.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Dec 14, 2009 8:59:41am |
re: #466 Jimmah
Well, I've noticed before that she's not to everyones taste. I think she's hilarious though, and although perhaps she has gone 'over the line' on occasion, most complaint's I've seen seem to be based on a misunderstanding of her intentions.
Here's 'Young Turk's having a good laugh at one of the most hilarious episodes from her TV show (full warning : religiously sensitive people shouldn't watch this one!)
I don't usually have a problem with people making fun of religion, as long as they are funny. I love Mel Brooks, Monty Python's "Life of Brian," and "South Park." But I find Sarah Silverman nasty, mean, and above all, not in the least funny or talented.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:00:58am |
I don't feel like arguing today...but there sure is a ton of bullshit here this morning...increasing our own energy production is pretty simple
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:01:05am |
re: #493 Obdicut
I think we're being dragged down by anti-Americanism. Why should we help ingrates? I know we will anyways, but how are the American people supposed to feel when our generosity isn't appreciated?
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cliffster Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:01:40am |
re: #490 LudwigVanQuixote
I've always felt like there's a good opportunity to help developing countries the whole industrial nastiness that developed countries had to go through. Bring in technology and education to get people employed without chopping down rain forest, strip-mining, etc. It might be hard to retrofit earth-kind infrastructure to nations with mature infrastructures, but for developing nations, get them started off right.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:01:51am |
re: #490 LudwigVanQuixote
If you are truly supportive of the goals you want then you need to understand that capitalism is a primal force of human nature, that it's part of our social evolution, and if we can't do most of this through free market initiatives then it's going to fail due to national interests among other things.
Don't deny the reality of the system, use it instead.
The left should be playing up the money that can be made selling clean power systems instead of proposing tariffs and trade wars. Those usually lead to real wars.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:02:10am |
re: #500 Sharmuta
I think we're being dragged down by anti-Americanism. Why should we help ingrates? I know we will anyways, but how are the American people supposed to feel when our generosity isn't appreciated?
why do you hate mankind?
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:02:30am |
re: #459 albusteve
my fringe is bigger than your fringe
Is that what you kids are calling it nowadays?
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:03:00am |
re: #501 cliffster
It won't be appreciated. We'll be criticized for it.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:03:11am |
re: #502 Thanos
If you are truly supportive of the goals you want then you need to understand that capitalism is a primal force of human nature, that it's part of our social evolution, and if we can't do most of this through free market initiatives then it's going to fail due to national interests among other things.
Don't deny the reality of the system, use it instead.The left should be playing up the money that can be made selling clean power systems instead of proposing tariffs and trade wars. Those usually lead to real wars.
well said...you speak for me
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:03:51am |
re: #467 cliffster
Mine's bigger. Let's see it, c'mon - right now - on the table.
Kid, that got you two days of suspension and a paddling. Stop it.
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badger1970 Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:04:06am |
re: #471 Dark_Falcon
Is Al Gore's data even true, has it been looked at my a neutral scientific community? If not, than he's doing nothing more scare mongering, whether his statement was true or not. It's irresponsible and reckless, does more harm than good.
On the off-note, I'm so glad he passed up his $1200 a handshake meet and greet to come to Copenhagen's rescue. India and China need to wise up a little. The industrial producers of the world are going to devote a huge amount of their own national treasure to fix this obscure problem with having to pick up India's and China's tab.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:04:23am |
re: #505 Sharmuta
It won't be appreciated. We'll be criticized for it.
So? If we agree that AGW is going to be as bad as Ludwig thinks it will be, we have to be willing to pay the price to stop it, and that price will be very high.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:04:37am |
re: #505 Sharmuta
It won't be appreciated. We'll be criticized for it.
I seriously hope America doesn't set its foreign policy in the hopes of becoming the next Nation-Idol.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:05:21am |
re: #485 Sharmuta
It's the
United States'GEORGE BUSH'S fault.
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:05:21am |
re: #474 Obdicut
What the developing companies should get is green tech at discount prices. And they should be damn happy with that, as well.
It's funny; the US gets blamed for having historically pumped shitloads of CO2 into the air. It's true, we did; so did most of the industrialized West. But, even though global warming was realized as an idea in the 1800s, it obviously wasn't clear what its effects would be or the rapidity that it would come about at the time.
It was Western science, the same nations doing the polluting, that brought us to the realization that we need to change. It is the US and Europe that's mainly going to pull us out of it.
I know that China is doing some stuff about global warming tech, but they have a command economy: if they really wanted to take the lead on renewable energy, they could. But they won't, because that requires too much academic and intellectual freedom.
And it was through Western industrialization that we brought many diseases under control including those that by now would have had a devastating impact on G77 nations. This includes HIV/AIDs, malaria, polio, tuberculosis, tetanus, meningitis, or even ordinary bacterial infections.
Then why we in the West more particularly the United States were intent on recovering from the Great Depression we were swept into a Global war instigated by the belligerent nations of Japan, Germany, Italy and other Axis nations intent on global fascism. That resulted in the accelerations of American industry in order to counter this unimaginable threat. It required steel, oil, metal, plastics, ships, and every type of industry in order to prosecute WWII against those belligerent many of whom are pointing their "plastic fingers" at us with regards to industrial pollution.
And what followed after WWII? A continuation of this threat as prosecuted by the People Republic of China and the Soviet Union or the Cold War which thus continued the accelerated military industrial capacity.
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Kragar Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:05:29am |
re: #507 MandyManners
Kid, that got you two days of suspension and a paddling. Stop it.
Suspension and a paddling? Kinky, let me get the clamps.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:05:38am |
re: #500 Sharmuta
I think we're being dragged down by anti-Americanism. Why should we help ingrates? I know we will anyways, but how are the American people supposed to feel when our generosity isn't appreciated?
I think we should stop being so emo. We don't need generosity to be appreciated to enjoy the effects of it-- especially when it comes to AGW. We shouldn't be doing anything to get the gratitude of the world, we should be doing it because it's the right thing to do-- like the Marshall plan. It stabilized Western Europe, regardless of whether French farmers protest the import of Californian wine. And stable Western Europe was a good thing.
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MandyManners Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:05:40am |
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:06:05am |
re: #510 McSpiff
I seriously hope America doesn't set its foreign policy in the hopes of becoming the next Nation-Idol.
a star is born!....everybody will love us!
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cliffster Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:07:01am |
re: #505 Sharmuta
It won't be appreciated. We'll be criticized for it.
Finding a common enemy is by far the #1 tool in politics to gain support. The US is a great target for that, it seems. So you're right, it'll be labelled by some as imperialism. So be it. The only problem would be when the countries decide to nationalize the industries that American corporations spend so much money on, then leave their ability to recoup the costs out to dry. There would have to be some way to reasonably protect against that - I don't know what that is.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:07:42am |
re: #512 Gus 802
Very well said, Gus. I'd triple upding you if I could.
The US didn't have an arms industry as such before WWII. We didn't start that war. We changed our economy to fight it. Being blamed for that is asinine.
But digging our heels in because we're not properly appreciated will not solve our problems.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:07:48am |
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:07:55am |
The energy moguls of the future will be selling nuclear energy, not oil. At some point Fuel trucks will be like ice trucks, quaint items from yesteryear that people point at and comment on when they see them on the road. I have confidence in people's ability to muddle through to the right thing over the long term, we always have.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:08:34am |
re: #514 Obdicut
I think we should stop being so emo. We don't need generosity to be appreciated to enjoy the effects of it-- especially when it comes to AGW. We shouldn't be doing anything to get the gratitude of the world, we should be doing it because it's the right thing to do-- like the Marshall plan. It stabilized Western Europe, regardless of whether French farmers protest the import of Californian wine. And stable Western Europe was a good thing.
the Marshall plan was the beginning of the teat suckers Europe has become
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:09:00am |
re: #188 SixDegrees
And I just want to point out that I don't personally believe in BBQ "season" - we grill year 'round, and did last night.
In my mis-spent youth living in northern New York State in the time before my father purchased a snowblower (he had three children) my shoveling duties were two-fold after every snowfall. One, the front porch and sidewalk along the front of the house to the driveway. Two, the back porch, and a path from there to the gas grill; path from back porch to driveway optional...
I recall being sent out to light the grill a few times when the snow was piled up higher than the grill itself.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:09:16am |
re: #517 cliffster
Finding a common enemy is by far the #1 tool in politics to gain support. The US is a great target for that, it seems. So you're right, it'll be labelled by some as imperialism. So be it. The only problem would be when the countries decide to nationalize the industries that American corporations spend so much money on, then leave their ability to recoup the costs out to dry. There would have to be some way to reasonably protect against that - I don't know what that is.
Any idea what China is doing to avoid this? I know they're heavily investing in Africa at the moment.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:09:45am |
re: #505 Sharmuta
It won't be appreciated. We'll be criticized for it.
Plus we've been trying to develop Africa for decades now. The progress has been spotty and impermanent.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:09:58am |
I would like to see a shift: instead of passing money to third world countries as part of cap and trade, let's build clean power plants to replace what they have. Let's sell them clean, cheap energy - there's money to be made.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:10:13am |
re: #518 Obdicut
We had an arms industry. We exported artillery and small arms during WWI to the UK and France in large amounts. Between the wars we exported aircraft as well. We even reverse engineered France's 75mm cannon for mass production and became the leading seller of it, since we could make it cheaper than the French.
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gregb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:12:34am |
re: #520 Thanos
The energy moguls of the future will be selling nuclear energy, not oil. At some point Fuel trucks will be like ice trucks, quaint items from yesteryear that people point at and comment on when they see them on the road. I have confidence in people's ability to muddle through to the right thing over the long term, we always have.
I think I strongly disagree. I think all the same supply chain and distribution network will be in place, but instead of fossil fuels, they'll use green renewable fuels that work in the same exact manner, like green crude.
Trucks, pipelines, refineries, etc. all still needed.
Unless you are talking about super-far into the future where every car runs for 100 years on its own nuclear power.
I'm with William Gibson on that. "Everytime I think of some utopian vision of technology, I imagine a bunch of 1972 Ford Pintos running around. " Of course he was talking about nanotechnology, but it's so apt for any other as yet to be figured out future tech. I think people always overestimate what technology can do in 5 years, but underestimate what it can do in 25.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:12:39am |
re: #526 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but nothing compared to what we have now, was my point. I mean, it's kind of a silly comparison, since the assembly-line was just getting started, so you can't really compare. All I meant is that Europe-- Western Europe-- asked us to become a military-industrial complex.
I'm all for the US acknowledging its sins, its support of tinpot dictators, our alliance with the damn Saudis, etc. But not to the extent of forgetting that Europe started two world wars within a generation of each other.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:13:31am |
re: #518 Obdicut
But digging our heels in because we're not properly appreciated will not solve our problems.
I'm not advocating digging in our heels.
I'm tired of the United Stated being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of republicans being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of children being everything that's wrong.
We're the solution to the world's problems? That sounds a lot like American Imperialism and that's wrong.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:14:22am |
re: #530 Sharmuta
I'm not advocating digging in our heels.
I'm tired of the United Stated being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of republicans being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of children being everything that's wrong.We're the solution to the world's problems? That sounds a lot like American Imperialism and that's wrong.
Americans: The cause of, and solution to, all the world's problems.
/With apologies to Homer Simpson
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:14:34am |
re: #525 Thanos
I would like to see a shift: instead of passing money to third world countries as part of cap and trade, let's build clean power plants to replace what they have. Let's sell them clean, cheap energy - there's money to be made.
Ho, ho! We can't even muster the political will to build new power plants in California, how can we build them in the Third World? And who will run them? And who will protect them from the ever-present insurgencies these unstable countries always seem to have?
No flame intended, btw.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:14:36am |
re: #527 Obdicut
How so?
they rebuilt their economies at the expense of their own security...pretty sweet deal
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:14:49am |
re: #530 Sharmuta
I'm not advocating digging in our heels.
I'm tired of the United Stated being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of republicans being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of children being everything that's wrong.We're the solution to the world's problems? That sounds a lot like American Imperialism and that's wrong.
Bravo, Sharmuta! That one's going on my favorites list.
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:15:08am |
re: #518 Obdicut
Very well said, Gus. I'd triple upding you if I could.
The US didn't have an arms industry as such before WWII. We didn't start that war. We changed our economy to fight it. Being blamed for that is asinine.
But digging our heels in because we're not properly appreciated will not solve our problems.
Thanks. If they're going to bring up the Industrial Revolution or what they are calling "historical implications" then WWII and the Cold War is fair game. To that end we should remind the African nations of the Afrika Corps that once invaded Northern Africa with the intent of a complete conquest of Africa. It was the industrial might of the United States and the US Army and British Army that chased Erwin Rommel's (Hitler's) German and Italian armies from Africa.
There was also Lend-Lease that helped the Russian armies on their front.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:15:26am |
re: #530 Sharmuta
I'm not advocating digging in our heels.
I'm tired of the United Stated being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of republicans being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of children being everything that's wrong.We're the solution to the world's problems? That sounds a lot like American Imperialism and that's wrong.
So, what would you advocate doing, given the above list?
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:15:50am |
re: #528 gregb
Biomass burning of any sort does not help the CO2 equation. Sorry I don't see it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:15:59am |
re: #528 gregb
I think I strongly disagree. I think all the same supply chain and distribution network will be in place, but instead of fossil fuels, they'll use green renewable fuels that work in the same exact manner, like green crude.
[snip]
What do you classify as "green renewable fuels?"
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:16:15am |
re: #530 Sharmuta
I'm not advocating digging in our heels.
I'm tired of the United Stated being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of republicans being everything that's wrong.
I'm tired of children being everything that's wrong.We're the solution to the world's problems? That sounds a lot like American Imperialism and that's wrong.
I'm tired of liberalism
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:16:48am |
re: #536 McSpiff
So, what would you advocate doing, given the above list?
I advocate waiting for some Canadians to tell us what to do.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:17:07am |
Ethanol only makes sense if lack of oil is the problem. It's not. Sustainability is last century's debate.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:17:27am |
re: #502 Thanos
If you are truly supportive of the goals you want then you need to understand that capitalism is a primal force of human nature, that it's part of our social evolution, and if we can't do most of this through free market initiatives then it's going to fail due to national interests among other things.
Don't deny the reality of the system, use it instead.The left should be playing up the money that can be made selling clean power systems instead of proposing tariffs and trade wars. Those usually lead to real wars.
I think that both need to hand in hand. I am really not arguing "from the left". We have the serious issue that as you said capitalism is a driving force. As long as we fund anti green industry, the people who do it will continue to do so. This is particularly true in the case of China where making poison milk to get around even their unbelievably lax standards is the kind of thinking that pervades.
We can not force China and India to get real by any means other than economic.
As to the financial benefits of going green. I have been screaming from teh rooftops here for over a year that yes indeed, not sending billions overseas each year but rather, pumping them into a domestic power industry would of course, ultimately be a boom for our economy.
Think about it. Hundreds of thousands of jobs from the highest tech down to the maintenance people who need to keep the systems running - and this would pay for itself by expanding the economy, increasing tax revenue - without even increasing taxes and oh yes by no longer funding nations that hate us.
It would also make domestic production of other goods more reasonable because ultimately, energy prices must go down.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:17:28am |
re: #530 Sharmuta
We're the solution to the world's problems because we're the world leaders in technology and science, and because we have the most dominant economy. We're the lynchpin of the world. It's not imperialism, it's political and economic reality.
And I do think the US being the pre-eminent world power is a good thing. Not in terms of military power, but in terms of economy and science.
re: #533 albusteve
they rebuilt their economies at the expense of their own security...pretty sweet deal
I'm still not getting your point. Could you explain more?
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:17:48am |
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wrenchwench Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:19:18am |
re: #436 albusteve
I don't think links to Human Events are appreciated. That article is by the editor of HE, and I just learned that he substituted for Rush Limbaugh on July 17, 2008, so in a way, I'm appreciative. I find that very interesting. They also publish P. Buchanan and Robert Spencer, among other unsavories.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:19:25am |
re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote
China's already headed the right direction. They are building 20 new nuclear plants over the next 20 years, nowhere near enough but it's a start that will grow as they prove their worth. India is also leading with Nuclear, particularly in the area of researching Thorium reactors.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:19:39am |
re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote
So to continue the thought, for those who are really right wing, the best way to make America truly independent and self sufficient is to not seel our economy overseas.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:19:57am |
re: #540 Sharmuta
I advocate waiting for some Canadians to tell us what to do.
Robert Mugabe has a plan
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:20:58am |
re: #543 Obdicut
We're the solution to the world's problems because we're the world leaders in technology and science, and because we have the most dominant economy. We're the lynchpin of the world. It's not imperialism, it's political and economic reality.
And I do think the US being the pre-eminent world power is a good thing. Not in terms of military power, but in terms of economy and science.
re: #533 albusteve
I'm still not getting your point. Could you explain more?
no, not really
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:21:10am |
re: #546 Thanos
China's already headed the right direction. They are building 20 new nuclear plants over the next 20 years, nowhere near enough but it's a start that will grow as they prove their worth. India is also leading with Nuclear, particularly in the area of researching Thorium reactors.
yeah that my be, but they are also due to overtake us in emissions. There is a lot more to it than just building reactors to power new growth. You need to truncate the emissions that are happening now - and don't even get me started on what a billion Chinese cars would do.
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gregb Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:21:22am |
re: #538 Walter L. Newton
What do you classify as "green renewable fuels?"
Green Crude. It's a very specific and very promising technology that solves a lot of the global warming problems of other green fuels.
[Link: www.greencrudeproduction.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:21:40am |
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:21:43am |
re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote
Trade also has other benefits as well. There are other dooms out there besides AGW, and Free trade reduces the potential of WWIII. Countries whose economies become highly interdependent do not war with each other.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:21:49am |
re: #546 Thanos
China's already headed the right direction. They are building 20 new nuclear plants over the next 20 years, nowhere near enough but it's a start that will grow as they prove their worth. India is also leading with Nuclear, particularly in the area of researching Thorium reactors.
I don't believe in Silver Bullets but Thorium might provide the promised benefits of fusion in a much more reasonable time frame.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:21:50am |
re: #545 wrenchwench
I don't think links to Human Events are appreciated. That article is by the editor of HE, and I just learned that he substituted for Rush Limbaugh on July 17, 2008, so in a way, I'm appreciative. I find that very interesting. They also publish P. Buchanan and Robert Spencer, among other unsavories.
I did not know that....thanks
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:21:54am |
re: #549 albusteve
Well, whose teat is Europe sucking on now?
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:23:42am |
re: #552 Dark_Falcon
Snark does not help.
neither does the EU or the UN...but what are you saying that helps?....helps what?....are you telling me what to post?
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:24:20am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:24:54am |
re: #543 Obdicut
I favor American innovativeness being a major part of the solution, so don't get me wrong. I have great faith it will be the US that will be at the forefront of technology and development. Not being appreciated has never stopped the US before, and I doubt that will change, nor will anti-Americanism change. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't, and I don't believe that will change.
Anyways- I look forward to criticizing the US for not solving AGW faster, or whatever criticism they can find to bash us with- should be fun!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:24:56am |
re: #557 albusteve
neither does the EU or the UN...but what are you saying that helps?...helps what?...are you telling me what to post?
Just an observation. I'm not the boss of you, nor do I want to be.
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:25:05am |
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:25:23am |
re: #554 McSpiff
I don't believe in Silver Bullets but Thorium might provide the promised benefits of fusion in a much more reasonable time frame.
We also have a deal with India to help build a new reactor, that's a great start. If we can become the nuclear supplier of choice it's much less likely that we will have future Chernobyls, and it's much less likely that the reactors will be built in a manner that aids nuclear weapon proliferation. The Djinn's long been out of the bottle and it's time to toss last centurie's doctrines because they did not work.
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The Sanity Inspector Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:25:30am |
re: #535 Gus 802
Thanks. If they're going to bring up the Industrial Revolution or what they are calling "historical implications" then WWII and the Cold War is fair game. To that end we should remind the African nations of the Afrika Corps that once invaded Northern Africa with the intent of a complete conquest of Africa. It was the industrial might of the United States and the US Army and British Army that chased Erwin Rommel's (Hitler's) German and Italian armies from Africa.
There was also Lend-Lease that helped the Russian armies on their front.
I thought that Hitler invaded Africa with a mind to capturing the British possession of Egypt, and to save Mussolini's bacon in Italian Somaliland. It was in WWI that the Germans fought in sub-Saharan Africa.
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cliffster Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:25:43am |
The problem is that we rely on blowing stuff up to power our lives. Explosions in our engines to turn our crankshafts and move our cars. Explosions in our power plants to turn turbines and make electricity. We need to find an alternative to blowing shit up.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:26:07am |
re: #553 Thanos
Trade also has other benefits as well. There are other dooms out there besides AGW, and Free trade reduces the potential of WWIII. Countries whose economies become highly interdependent do not war with each other.
That is true. I am not saying that we should make China into a pariah state. I am saying though that we need to be real here. The Chinese know that any real war with us would be nuclear. Neither of us wants that.
The potential political and economic fallout from protectionism is not trivial in of itself. You have a point, and if it were not for the absolute global nature of AGW, it would be a strong point.
However, we are all on one planet. What the industrial nations do affects everyone.
The outcome of some years of cranky diplomacy is vastly less serious than the global ecological outcome of doing nothing for fear of politics - at that point you have wars famines and plagues.
And trade agreements or not, hungry desperate people fight when given the choice between fighting or dying. You have a good point, but given the magnitude of not doing anything, it is a very distant second.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:27:09am |
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:27:41am |
re: #554 McSpiff
I don't believe in Silver Bullets but Thorium might provide the promised benefits of fusion in a much more reasonable time frame.
Fusion?
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:28:21am |
re: #567 LudwigVanQuixote
I don't agree with the tariff angle: two things should lend you a clue about them: Pat Buchanan and the Populist Unions support them.
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RogueOne Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:05am |
re: #543 Obdicut
We're the solution to the world's problems because we're the world leaders in technology and science, ...
That can't be right, someone upthread has already pointed out our "legacy of anti-intellectualism and anti-science superstition". Can't be both.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:07am |
re: #568 Walter L. Newton
Well, yeah, we're giving it to Eastern Europe now-- exactly the people we weren't, under the Marshall plan. And I think it's a good thing.
You're right; I should have said "Western Europe".
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Basho Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:26am |
re: #568 Walter L. Newton
[Link: www.usaid.gov...]
Six billion dollars to Sudan since 2005. Wonder how many robots we could have had exploring Saturn's moons with that money...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:49am |
re: #573 Obdicut
Well, yeah, we're giving it to Eastern Europe now-- exactly the people we weren't, under the Marshall plan. And I think it's a good thing.
You're right; I should have said "Western Europe".
So do I, and yes, you should have said...
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:54am |
re: #571 Thanos
I don't agree with the tariff angle: two things should lend you a clue about them: Pat Buchanan and the Populist Unions support them.
OK fine, so, given that China and India will produce enough CO2 to sink us on their own if given enough time, and that we are the ones funding the expansion, and that bombing them to stop is a really bad option, what do you propose?
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:57am |
re: #564 The Sanity Inspector
I thought that Hitler invaded Africa with a mind to capturing the British possession of Egypt, and to save Mussolini's bacon in Italian Somaliland. It was in WWI that the Germans fought in sub-Saharan Africa.
I realize there are technicalities. However, I tend to see in the light of Hitler's intent of a German Empire and would have stopped at nothing.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:29:59am |
re: #572 RogueOne
That can't be right, someone upthread has already pointed out our "legacy of anti-intellectualism and anti-science superstition". Can't be both.
Sure it can. We have both a legacy of anti-intellectualism, and a proud intellectual history. Just as we're at once a secular nation with a very strong tradition of blending religion and politics.
We're fun that way.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:31:39am |
re: #571 Thanos
And I am also not saying just tarrifs. I am saying that we develop our own green economy and reap our own economic benefits from it coupled with offering to help them to do so on the other hand. I said carrot and stick, not just stick.
We are still the largest offender. We do need to change our ways too.
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Basho Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:32:57am |
re: #579 LudwigVanQuixote
And I am also not saying just tarrifs. I am saying that we develop our own green economy and reap our own economic benefits from it coupled with offering to help them to do so on the other hand. I said carrot and stick, not just stick.
We are still the largest offender. We do need to change our ways too.
Some jerk also said we need to do that, and that's why it's a bad idea.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:33:28am |
re: #574 Basho
Six billion dollars to Sudan since 2005. Wonder how many robots we could have had exploring Saturn's moons with that money...
since most of it is still in a bank account in the Caymans, maybe we could sue to get it back
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:33:53am |
re: #580 Basho
I don't think you meant "jerk". It's likely you meant to say "republican" or "American".
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:33:54am |
re: #579 LudwigVanQuixote
And I am also not saying just tarrifs. I am saying that we develop our own green economy and reap our own economic benefits from it coupled with offering to help them to do so on the other hand. I said carrot and stick, not just stick.
We are still the largest offender. We do need to change our ways too.
Not to quibble but I don't like the idea of being seen as an offender. Perhaps instead it should be seen as the greatest emitter.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:34:15am |
re: #576 LudwigVanQuixote
That we move trade to countries that are environmentally friendly. That's already started with all of the bad press that China is getting, people are now looking for "Made in China" labels. They will fix it if it costs them money, which it already is.
Brazil is making great strides and they are closer, so there are two benefits there.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:34:38am |
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:35:02am |
re: #583 Gus 802
Not to quibble but I don't like the idea of being seen as an offender. Perhaps instead it should be seen as the greatest emitter.
But "offender" is more appropriate for America.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:36:11am |
re: #586 Sharmuta
But "offender" is more appropriate for America.
it almost has that 'criminal' nature to it
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:36:44am |
re: #586 Sharmuta
But "offender" is more appropriate for America.
I know what you mean. It's the Howard Zinn school of thought that worked its way into the United Nations and common with the international diplomat class.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:37:44am |
re: #585 Spare O'Lake
The "fuck the West" club is putting on a full court press.
And we can't afford to blink. It's time for us to let them know that they'll pay if they boycott.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:38:20am |
re: #582 Sharmuta
Actually, I think he meant "Gore". As in, because Gore advocates something, some people are automatically against it.
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Sharmuta Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:39:04am |
re: #591 Obdicut
Thanks. My bad. I thought it was just republicans who should be ignored.
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McSpiff Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:39:47am |
re: #591 Obdicut
Actually, I think he meant "Gore". As in, because Gore advocates something, some people are automatically against it.
Come on obicut, some people need to get all the victimhood out of their system. Leave them be.
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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:39:58am |
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:40:06am |
re: #589 Gus 802
I know what you mean. It's the Howard Zinn school of thought that worked its way into the United Nations and common with the international diplomat class.
I could care less about that...it's the American school of thought that disturbs me
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KenJen Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:40:24am |
re: #590 Dark_Falcon
And we can't afford to blink. It's time for us to let them know that they'll pay if they boycott.
They will pay with the money we give them?
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SixDegrees Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:40:41am |
re: #590 Dark_Falcon
And we can't afford to blink. It's time for us to let them know that they'll pay if they boycott.
Uh - how the fuck is a "boycott" supposed to have any meaningful effect, anyway? "Nyah, nyah, we're not going to have any input on your agreement!" Yeah, that's a great plan. They've already said they're not going to go along with any plan at all that involves them actually doing anything other than cashing larger country's checks. How does leaving them out of consideration affect anyone?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:40:58am |
re: #546 Thanos
China's already headed the right direction. They are building 20 new nuclear plants over the next 20 years, nowhere near enough but it's a start that will grow as they prove their worth. India is also leading with Nuclear, particularly in the area of researching Thorium reactors.
Don't bogart that joint my friend. They are building coal-fired plants out the yin yang even as we speak.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:41:03am |
re: #592 Sharmuta
Well, Gore shouldn't be ignored, even though he's a bit of an ass. And again, I think he should step aside from a leadership role in AGW and stick to back-room deals, and let someone with more credibility and charisma be the most visible spokesperson on the issue.
Barton, on the other hand, should be ignored.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:42:49am |
re: #583 Gus 802
Not to quibble but I don't like the idea of being seen as an offender. Perhaps instead it should be seen as the greatest emitter.
I hear you, but given that our emissions are truthfully leading to a global catastrophe (and of course we are not alone in the act) it strikes me as an offence. In fact it is the greatest crime against humanity in our entire history. The consequences of not doing anything will be human suffering on a scale never before seen. This is just reality.
Make no doubt, if we can't find the resolve to take proper action in time, mother nature will do her thing. She really doesn't care what we call it. She really does not care how many millions of us perish. I am not trying to make hippy speak there. I am actually coldly telling you that physics equations are not emotional beings. They have no pity. The rocket lands where it's ballistic trajectory pointed to. If you plug in the right conditions, the laws of nature do their thing and you can not avoid the consequences. If you are religious, you might believe that God might perform a miracle to save you. After looking at human history, I find that speculation on what God will and will not allow in terms of superseding the laws of nature is a foolish bet. He is perfectly willing to let nature take it's course if you jump in front of a train.
I am really serious. If we don't fix this offence to future generations now, we will be the most cursed generation since the generation of the flood.
Children two generations from now will curse our memories. Offence is actually too mild a word.
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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:43:26am |
re: #598 Spare O'Lake
Don't bogart that joint my friend. They are building coal-fired plants out the yin yang even as we speak.
I'll have you know that weed does not contribute to global warming.
Thank you.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:43:29am |
re: #599 Obdicut
Well, Gore shouldn't be ignored, even though he's a bit of an ass. And again, I think he should step aside from a leadership role in AGW and stick to back-room deals, and let someone with more credibility and charisma be the most visible spokesperson on the issue.
Barton, on the other hand, should be ignored.
too late...the damage has been done, plus where would he cop those $1200 handshakes?....Al Gore is not going away and neither is the dispute about AGW
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:43:47am |
re: #584 Thanos
That we move trade to countries that are environmentally friendly. That's already started with all of the bad press that China is getting, people are now looking for "Made in China" labels. They will fix it if it costs them money, which it already is.
Brazil is making great strides and they are closer, so there are two benefits there.
That is much the same effect as what I am talking about. Either way, if we don't fund them they see the benefits of getting their customer back.
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Velvet Elvis Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:44:22am |
re: #599 Obdicut
Well, Gore shouldn't be ignored, even though he's a bit of an ass. And again, I think he should step aside from a leadership role in AGW and stick to back-room deals, and let someone with more credibility and charisma be the most visible spokesperson on the issue.
Barton, on the other hand, should be ignored.
That's the thing. To the left he has a lot of credibility and charisma. It's all in who you're talking to.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:44:40am |
re: #601 Ben Hur
I'll have you know that weed does not contribute to global warming.
Thank you.
two words....
hemp
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Ben Hur Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:45:24am |
I am really serious. If we don't fix this offence to future generations now, we will be the most cursed generation since the generation of the flood.
Children two generations from now will curse our memories. Offence is actually too mild a word.
;)
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:46:40am |
re: #604 Conservative Moonbat
I'm sorry, but Gore really is not considered charismatic by the majority of the left. If he was charismatic, he would have won. He has the personality of a wooden stump that occasionally is lit on fire.
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Randall Gross Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:47:14am |
re: #598 Spare O'Lake
Don't bogart that joint my friend. They are building coal-fired plants out the yin yang even as we speak.
Yes, but the nuclear plants will outperform the coal plants in many ways over time. That will start the conversion.
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albusteve Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:48:14am |
I'm tired of ecoweenies deciding the fate of the human race
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:48:47am |
re: #609 albusteve
I'm tired of ecoweenies deciding the fate of the human race
A) What's an ecoweenie?
B) When have they determined the fate of the human race?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:48:47am |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:49:33am |
re: #565 cliffster
Why is that the problem again?
oops. should have read like this.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:51:15am |
re: #462 Sharmuta
I linked to David Corn's summary piece at Mother Jones the other day as a good summary of the widgetry of the process that is going on in Copenhagen.
That AP article you linked uses some poor choice of words in describing what happened today.
From watching the actual video streams coming out of the conference, it becomes clear that the multi-sided nature of the negotiations has become the achilles heel of trying to accomplish something constructive.
There are far too many agendas in play.
It is not like there are two sides, and some compromise can be arranged between them. Rather, it is like those old cartoons where to accomplish A one has to do B, but then discovers that to do B one has to do C, and then finds out that to do C one has to do D, etc.
The EU complains that the Kyoto Protocol now only covers 30% of emissions because the US didn't approve it and the China/Brazil/India are exempt.
All the developing countries object to the developed countries trying to lock in a disproportionate share of the amount of human activity that disturbs the climate system.
The US of course objects to pretty much anything (thanks to the Inhofe crowd in the Senate). What is left for the Obama administration then, since they know the Senate won't go along with any treaty with substance, is to negotiate a "political" solution.
Etc.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:53:13am |
re: #609 albusteve
I'm tired of ecoweenies deciding the fate of the human race
So you would rather let industrialists determine the fate of the human race through a collapse of our civilization?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:54:02am |
re: #600 LudwigVanQuixote
I hear you, but given that our emissions are truthfully leading to a global catastrophe (and of course we are not alone in the act) it strikes me as an offence. In fact it is the greatest crime against humanity in our entire history. The consequences of not doing anything will be human suffering on a scale never before seen. This is just reality.
Make no doubt, if we can't find the resolve to take proper action in time, mother nature will do her thing. She really doesn't care what we call it. She really does not care how many millions of us perish. I am not trying to make hippy speak there. I am actually coldly telling you that physics equations are not emotional beings. They have no pity. The rocket lands where it's ballistic trajectory pointed to. If you plug in the right conditions, the laws of nature do their thing and you can not avoid the consequences. If you are religious, you might believe that God might perform a miracle to save you. After looking at human history, I find that speculation on what God will and will not allow in terms of superseding the laws of nature is a foolish bet. He is perfectly willing to let nature take it's course if you jump in front of a train.
I am really serious. If we don't fix this offence to future generations now, we will be the most cursed generation since the generation of the flood.
Children two generations from now will curse our memories. Offence is actually too mild a word.
I suggest we all get down on our knees (figuratively) and pray that Pres. Obama suddenly grows the balls to stare down the blackmailing bloodsuckers.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:54:31am |
re: #615 Spare O'Lake
I suggest we all get down on our knees (figuratively) and pray that Pres. Obama suddenly grows the balls to stare down the blackmailing bloodsuckers.
Amen, at home and abroad.
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:54:38am |
re: #600 LudwigVanQuixote
I cannot lay the blame simply on the United States while other nations such as China, Russia and Europe emit equally and are growing to surpass that United States shortly. We were the first to implement emission controls on automobiles while the Europeans were scoffing at the idea -- and I remember reading it vividly.
It is is not the greatest crime against humanity. It has the potential to become that. There is still plenty of time to change course and we can take the lead and for the most part act unilaterally to that end.
The best way to attain these goals is not through negative reinforcement but positive reinforcement to work on the technology needed to attain those goals. Negatively charged rhetoric will only hinder this attempt and degrade much needed public support.
I don't believe in any deus ex machinas. Expecting the sky hook to save us would serve no purpose. The only way out is to use the proverbial crane.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:56:39am |
re: #617 Gus 802
I don't believe in any deus ex machinas. Expecting the sky hook to save us would serve no purpose. The only way out is to use the proverbial crane.
I applaud the use of that analogy, and the rest of your post to boot.
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 9:58:37am |
re: #618 Obdicut
I applaud the use of that analogy, and the rest of your post to boot.
Thanks. The deus ex machina is from an acting class I took and the sky hook vs. crane was from an interview I heard of Daniel Dennet and by Richard Dawkins.
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Gus Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:01:12am |
Dennett used the term "skyhook" to describe a source of design complexity that did not build on lower, simpler layers—in simple terms, a miracle.
In philosophical arguments concerning the reducibility (or otherwise) of the human mind, Dennett's concept pokes fun at the idea of intelligent design emanating from on high, either originating from God, or providing its own grounds in an absurd, Münchhausen-like bootstrapping manner.
Dennett also accuses various competing neo-Darwinian ideas of making use of such supposedly unscientific skyhooks in explaining evolution, coming down particularly hard on the ideas of Stephen Jay Gould.
Dennett contrasts theories of complexity which require such miracles with those based on "cranes", structures which permit the construction of entities of greater complexity but which are themselves founded solidly "on the ground" of physical science.
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Obdicut Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:01:33am |
re: #619 Gus 802
You should read Dennet's Darwin's Dangerous Idea, if you haven't. He explores the crane/skyhook metaphor to great effect.
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CommonCents Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:02:18am |
re: #613 freetoken
The US of course objects to pretty much anything (thanks to the Inhofe crowd in the Senate). What is left for the Obama administration then, since they know the Senate won't go along with any treaty with substance, is to negotiate a "political" solution.
You'll recall that the Senate rejected the Kyoto agreement signed by Clinton by a 95-0 vote. That wasn't just the Inhofe crowd.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:05:05am |
re: #608 Thanos
Yes, but the nuclear plants will outperform the coal plants in many ways over time. That will start the conversion.
OK, so let's come back to Copenhagen in 10 years and see how they're doing. Until then we walk away from the table, do what's best for us, and put a stop to the blackmail with a credible threat of a big, fat trade boycott of our own.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:07:01am |
re: #617 Gus 802
I cannot lay the blame simply on the United States while other nations such as China, Russia and Europe emit equally and are growing to surpass that United States shortly. We were the first to implement emission controls on automobiles while the Europeans were scoffing at the idea -- and I remember reading it vividly.
It is is not the greatest crime against humanity. It has the potential to become that. There is still plenty of time to change course and we can take the lead and for the most part act unilaterally to that end.
The best way to attain these goals is not through negative reinforcement but positive reinforcement to work on the technology needed to attain those goals. Negatively charged rhetoric will only hinder this attempt and degrade much needed public support.
I don't believe in any deus ex machinas. Expecting the sky hook to save us would serve no purpose. The only way out is to use the proverbial crane.
Again I hear you. This is not about blaming America. I understand your instinctive response to language that points to our own faults. I hope that I have been really clear that of course we need to take the lead, that it is our benefit to do so in even the short run for reasons other than AGW, and that we can do it.
You are tight that there is still time to do something. However two or three decades of half assed efforts like Copenhagen will not do the job. We simply do not have that much time. As to domestic efforts, if a mostly neutered cap and trade bill is the best we can do, again, we don't have the time for such bullshit.
We will run out of time to act. The clock started. It is running.
When that time is up, if we cross a tipping point, then all of this debate is moot. Utterly moot. We then go into a Noah's ark mentality, and the only way that nation states will survive (all of them, including ours) will be through the most draconian means.
This is truly a case where you are part of the solution or you are part of the problem. Soft words are not the point. It doesn't matter if you feelings are hurt by calling things truthfully as they are. Physics equations have no parameter for how anyone feels about them.
Our emissions are, to date, the largest part of the problem. China and India are due to surpass us. Those are the facts.
Each moment we fail to clearly see those facts is another moment that tick away on the clock.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:16:41am |
re: #622 CommonCents
The Kyoto Protocol wasn't submitted to the Senate. What the Senate voted on was a motion that was to inform President Clinton of not submitting it... essentially the same thing but saved some face.
The Obama administration is not proposing the US join the Kyoto Protocol. The lead US negotiator made that quite clear.
I singled out Inhofe since he and his cohorts stand in the way of any meaningful legislation to address AGW, just as he does for the LOTS treaty. The other negotiators in Copenhagen know this, and it has come up several times in the press conferences (by other countries) that there is little hope of getting the US to sign onto a legally binding treaty.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:26:36am |
re: #625 freetoken
The Kyoto Protocol wasn't submitted to the Senate. What the Senate voted on was a motion that was to inform President Clinton of not submitting it... essentially the same thing but saved some face.
The Obama administration is not proposing the US join the Kyoto Protocol. The lead US negotiator made that quite clear.
I singled out Inhofe since he and his cohorts stand in the way of any meaningful legislation to address AGW, just as he does for the LOTS treaty. The other negotiators in Copenhagen know this, and it has come up several times in the press conferences (by other countries) that there is little hope of getting the US to sign onto a legally binding treaty.
This is so sad and so true. If on the other hand, if we took the lead and demanded that other nations anted up, we would have something real happen. But each of the three biggest offenders has moneyed interests who want to keep the status quo.
Inhofe, Barton et al, are managing to help disrupt the world stage. Isn't it great the future historians will write that the great collapse was caused by the ignorance of cowboy religious fanatics and political parties that made it a party plank to not care about science?
It is also important to note the less than real response from Russia. Their scientists are quite good. They know the score.
I am speculating here, but I think that Russia sees itself as one of the AGW winners. Their winters will be warmer, they can harvest methane from their melting bogs, they will be able to grow crops in now frozen places and they have a military large enough to keep out people they do not like. They might loose some coastal cities, but most of their main stuff is inland.
The fact that the US will be one of the greatest losers no doubt also pleases them.
The Russians love chess. AGW will hit them with the loss of a bishop. We will lose two rooks and a queen.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:29:55am |
re: #626 LudwigVanQuixote
To continue though that is a short sighted view for Russia, that is Russia at the end of this century.
It does not fully account for the hit they will take to their present bread basket.
As ocean anoxia continues, and rain patterns shift they lose more pieces too.
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freetoken Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:34:20am |
re: #626 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, I gather that the US is demanding that the other nations "ante up". The US negotiator has made that quite clear. Yet the US is also clearly being hypocritical at the same time.
As for the Russians, remember, they are the world's largest oil producer, a vital natural gas exporter to Europe, and probably has extensive fossil fuel reserves left to be discovered in the Eastern part of their nation.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Mon, Dec 14, 2009 10:42:26am |
re: #628 freetoken
Well, I gather that the US is demanding that the other nations "ante up". The US negotiator has made that quite clear. Yet the US is also clearly being hypocritical at the same time.
As for the Russians, remember, they are the world's largest oil producer, a vital natural gas exporter to Europe, and probably has extensive fossil fuel reserves left to be discovered in the Eastern part of their nation.
I forgot none of those things I promise.
In the mean time though, it still falls on us to not be hypocrites.
Yet, as you have pointed out, we have a major political party decide that it is in their political interest to deny the science.
This pretty much sucks.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Dec 14, 2009 1:29:22pm |
re: #70 Bagua
Nope, when he was done winding us up with his edgy humour he slinks away.
Windupbird = WindUpTroll
Got something to say to me, Bagua? There was a TV show I wanted to watch, and I found it to be fruitless to argue taste with people.
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