re: #525 jcm Yes I did, but sadly, the true liberals like Daniel Patrick Moynihan are far gone from the fields of battle. Now there are only true Leftists and those that run the Democratic Party - e.g., Nancy Pelosi - have the Extreme Left as their base (in every sense of the word) constituency.

True Liberals you could discuss serious issues with and get the distinct and HONEST feeling that they and you were seeking a satisfactory common solution to a national/international problem.
Lefties only want POWER.