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1 WindHorse  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:05:19pm

yeah - especially my professor.

2 Syrah  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:05:23pm
I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.

— Richard Feynman

Once somebody figures it all out, it will up and change into something entirely different.

This has happened several times already.

/

3 astronmr20  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:15:11pm

It's true;

The closer we get to understanding how the fabric of existence really behaves on it's smallest level, we get more confused.

Oddly, I'm right in the middle of a book by Michio Kaku.

4 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:19:12pm

Just got home from work and was listening to John Bolton on Greta's show on the ride home. He said we should have congressional hearings to find out what pressure, if any, the administration put on scotland to try and prevent the release of the Lockerbie bomber. Can the Republicans force such a hearing, or does the Dem majority guarantee that they won't be allowed?

5 davinvalkri  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:22:16pm

We're working on it, okay?!

6 Soona'  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:26:58pm

re: #4 _RememberTonyC

Just got home from work and was listening to John Bolton on Greta's show on the ride home. He said we should have congressional hearings to find out what pressure, if any, the administration put on scotland to try and prevent the release of the Lockerbie bomber. Can the Republicans force such a hearing, or does the Dem majority guarantee that they won't be allowed?

Has there been any response from the people of Lockerbie?

7 Bob Dillon  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:29:10pm

Heh - my CB handle back in the mid 70s.
Quantum Mechanic - I never came across anyone who "got it".

8 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:29:34pm

re: #6 Soona'

Has there been any response from the people of Lockerbie?

I haven't really checked on that ... but I'm guessing that they're not happy. After all, 11 of their citizens died on the ground when the plane came down.

9 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:31:53pm

News Note:

Ny Governor David Patterson blames his woes on racism in New York.

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

What a sorry excuse for a "leader." After all, his dismal approval rating couldn't possibly be because of the poor job he has done. I hope the good folks in NY remember how their leader gave them the "murtha" treatment come election day.

10 Soona'  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:36:21pm

re: #9 _RememberTonyC

News Note:

Ny Governor David Patterson blames his woes on racism in New York.

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

What a sorry excuse for a "leader." After all, his dismal approval rating couldn't possibly be because of the poor job he has done. I hope the good folks in NY remember how their leader gave them the "murtha" treatment come election day.

He's right on one thing. These are not "post-racial times". The zero and all the other race baiters are making sure of that.

11 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:46:09pm

re: #10 Soona'

He's right on one thing. These are not "post-racial times". The zero and all the other race baiters are making sure of that.

I'm really tired of this race baiting. Once Obama was elected, the people of America showed that they'd vote for a Black man if they thought he was qualified. But this country had made plenty of racial progress for decades, so the election wasn't some "shedding of our racism" as a country. I expect the next step will be widespread calls for reparations because of slavery. But I am totally against reparations. Living in this country instead of in Africa is a blessing for African Americans in the year 2009. Although their ancestors suffered in previous centuries due to slavery, would the subsequent generations prefer to live here or in Africa? Because as horrific as slavery was, today's Black Americans would be living in Africa if slavery never existed. Would the majority of Black Americans prefer that? I think not.

12 Syrah  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:47:44pm

re: #4 _RememberTonyC

Just got home from work and was listening to John Bolton on Greta's show on the ride home. He said we should have congressional hearings to find out what pressure, if any, the administration put on scotland to try and prevent the release of the Lockerbie bomber. Can the Republicans force such a hearing, or does the Dem majority guarantee that they won't be allowed?

At this point, with the democrats having super majorities in both the house and the senate, the Republicans can do absolutely anything that they want, so long as they get the Democrats prior permission.

So in short, no hearings.

13 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:51:18pm

almost 3:00am in New England ... time to say goodnight!

have a great night, Lizard Nation.

14 Soona'  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:52:00pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

almost 3:00am in New England ... time to say goodnight!

have a great night, Lizard Nation.

G'nite.

15 suboptimal  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:52:28pm

Are quantum mechanics the guys who fix nano-bots?

16 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:53:08pm

re: #13 _RememberTonyC

Sleep tight!

17 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:54:00pm

re: #15 suboptimal

The bots will rule us all!
Bwahahaha!
///

18 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 21, 2009 11:55:34pm

Just singing in the rain
Just singing in the rain!

19 Cheechako  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:20:12am

Tap...Tap Anyone still awake?

20 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:20:13am

re: #18 Floral Giraffe

Is it raining in your area? We don't have a drop.

21 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:23:31am

re: #20 Pvt Bin Jammin

Is it raining in your area? We don't have a drop.

Hmm...I wonder if it's raining here.

Eh, too lazy to go outside.

22 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:24:31am

re: #20 Pvt Bin Jammin

Well, I wouldn't call it rain, but it did spit a little tonight.
Warm, windy & humid.
Very odd, for So. Cal...

How are you?

23 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:25:49am

re: #21 TheMatrix31

I just came in after food and and drinks. No rain here in the west SG valley, just kind of muggy.

24 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:27:27am

re: #23 Pvt Bin Jammin

I just came in after food and and drinks. No rain here in the west SG valley, just kind of muggy.

I'll settle for a lightning show!

25 Soona'  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:28:16am

re: #16 Floral Giraffe

Sleep tight!

I thought you left for the night.

26 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:28:28am

re: #22 Floral Giraffe

I can't complain. Who would listen? LOL I'm kind of wanting a rainstorm but it's not looking like it.

27 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:30:14am

re: #24 TheMatrix31

I'll settle for a lightning show!

I love the lightning shows but then we'll get brush fires. We need the rain too.

28 Soona'  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:32:10am

re: #26 Pvt Bin Jammin

I can't complain. Who would listen? LOL I'm kind of wanting a rainstorm but it's not looking like it.

It's been kind of cool and wet here in Oklahoma this August. Highs today were only in the eighties. Cool tonight and then more eighties tommorrow.

29 Neutral President  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:33:41am

re: #20 Pvt Bin Jammin

Is it raining in your area? We don't have a drop.

I just went out for a drive because I was going stir crazy at home. In San Diego it's sprinkling for a few minutes, then it stops, then it does it again a half hour later, repeat. All it's doing is getting things dirty.

It feels like its still over 80 out now too.

30 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:34:18am

Embarrassing to have three posts in a row but I am a little beyond the Iron Fist rule. Just when we were leaving our restaurant some of our friends and family showed up. Hasta Manana, lizards. Love ya.

31 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:35:32am

re: #29 ArchangelMichael

Kind of hot here too but no rain.

'Nite, Michael.

32 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:35:48am

re: #29 ArchangelMichael

Warm & breezy here. I'm halfway from your SD to LA.
It'd feel good to have a REAL rainstorm.
But, it's August in California.
So, we wait...

33 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:36:35am

re: #30 Pvt Bin Jammin

PBJ, sometimes you can just OWN a thread!

Sleep tight.
Enjoy your weekend!

34 Soona'  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:39:53am

Looks like one of those nights. I might check in later.

35 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:40:10am

re: #27 Pvt Bin Jammin

I love the lightning shows but then we'll get brush fires. We need the rain too.

That's true. On my trip last week, I loved the rain in Kansas City and Chicago. It was welcome during the summer. Awesome.

36 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 12:42:45am

Good Night, Lizards.
Stay Scaly!
Sleep tight on a nice, warm rock!

{PBJ}

37 trolamc  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:03:00am

There sits the posited reference that religion will understand exactly what science has been searching for...
once science can crest the hill

38 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:16:40am

re: #36 Floral Giraffe

G'nite, cheery Chinchilla!

39 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:27:25am

I's like being the last living cell in a dying body.

40 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:30:02am

"I'm not dead yet...I just got here!"

41 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:36:10am

re: #40 Fenway_Nation

"I'm not dead yet...I just got here!"

Is that a Monty Python reference?

42 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:43:13am

re: #41 BatGuano

Sort of...I just ad-libbed the last part.

43 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:47:26am

re: #42 Fenway_Nation

Excellent.You have fulfilled the Monty Python thread reference imperative.You may advance to the next level.

44 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:49:00am

re: #4 _RememberTonyC

Just got home from work and was listening to John Bolton on Greta's show on the ride home. He said we should have congressional hearings to find out what pressure, if any, the administration put on scotland to try and prevent the release of the Lockerbie bomber. Can the Republicans force such a hearing, or does the Dem majority guarantee that they won't be allowed?

Without Democratic support, no hearing.

For what it's worth, the Administration apparently did bring a lot of pressure to bear in this matter, pushing for continued incarceration. Unfortunately, several blog comments posted here yesterday from Scottish sources indicate that this pressure, applied by both 0bama and Clinton, may have contributed to the release; a lot of Scots took it as an infringement of their sovereignty when the US started telling them how to run their court and prison system. The release may have been due in part to political backlash against what was perceived as ham-fisted foreign meddling.

Demanding that 0bama do anything comes at the cost of 0bama not knowing how to do anything right, and falling back on his ample supplies of arrogance and ego to fill in the gaps. A recipe for foreign policy disasters like this one.

45 Fierce Guppy  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:59:37am

The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas

"Young Bruno lives a wealthy lifestyle in Pre-war Germany along with his mother, elder sister, and army Commandant father. The family re-locate to the countryside where his father is assigned to commandeer a prison camp. A few days later, Bruno befriends another youth, strangely dressed in striped pyjamas, named Shmuel who lives behind an electrified fence. Bruno will soon find out that he is not permitted to befriend his new friend as he is a Jew, and that the neighboring yard is actually a prison camp for Jews awaiting extermination."--www.imdb.com

Tony.

46 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 1:59:47am

re: #44 SixDegrees

Sounds reasonable to me. I am interested to know in what manner pressure was put on Scotland ie, was it in a "diplomatic" way or was it "ham-fisted"

47 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:02:53am

Good morning good afternoon and good evening!

Fruitcup is now on the buffet --->

48 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:03:36am

re: #46 BatGuano

Sounds reasonable to me. I am interested to know in what manner pressure was put on Scotland ie, was it in a "diplomatic" way or was it "ham-fisted"

Given past 0bama diplomatic exploits - a bag full of DVDs in the wrong format, an iPod, and so on - I'd lean toward "ham-fisted" myself. A goodly number of Scots seem to agree, if the postings yesterday are any indication.

49 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:05:21am

re: #47 Fenway_Nation
Seriously, do you know why littleoldlady is not posting?

50 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:06:51am

re: #49 BatGuano

No idea, to be honest...I've hardly been around this week myself.

51 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:08:19am

re: #48 SixDegrees

I tend to agree (without knowing the particulars). Even our allies bristle when America infringes on their sovereignty.

52 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:08:23am

*Turns over particle/wave.

Made in China.

*Turns back over

53 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:12:18am

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

Yeah, Yesterday you came up on the MIA list by one of the posters. I don't want to speculate, just a little concerned about littleoldlady and gmsc.

54 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:13:27am

re: #52 SasquatchOnSteroids

China is the new Japan.

55 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:14:27am

re: #53 BatGuano

Well...the good news is that I have a job through the end of the month. The bad news is that the hours are crap-tastic enough to make me wish I was unemployed again...

56 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:17:24am

re: #55 Fenway_Nation

Fenway, I'm glad you are employed. I also have such shitty hours unemployment sounds good. :)

57 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:18:32am

re: #54 BatGuano

China is the new Japan.

Indeed ! My father told me a couple of years ago that the complaints about Chinese goods today are virtually the same exact complaints he remembers about the Japanese goods in the 50's.

58 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:21:34am

re: #57 SasquatchOnSteroids

Even through the sixties "Made in Japan" was a joke; right up there with "Mickey Mouse", as in "this mickey Mouse piece of shit!"

59 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:27:04am

re: #56 BatGuano

I know...I start in the late afternoon and if I head straight home, I'm in the door by 3 AM. My ability to find other or longer-term employment is hindered as long as I'm working this one...altho' all of my bills are taken care of for this month.

60 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:27:32am

re: #57 SasquatchOnSteroids

Indeed ! My father told me a couple of years ago that the complaints about Chinese goods today are virtually the same exact complaints he remembers about the Japanese goods in the 50's.

Well, except for the wide variety of poisons China is shipping over here, yes.

61 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:27:55am
62 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:29:20am

re: #60 SixDegrees

Like I said when a Chinese manufacturer was making a serious bid for Hummer:

'They must've found a way to make cars run on tainted milk and lead toys'

63 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:33:36am

re: #59 Fenway_Nation

That is quite a quandary; one I have faced many times. Your working hours conflict with you ability to secure new employment. In better times I have actually quit jobs (with two weeks notice) to search for other opportunities. I wouldn't dare do it now.

64 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:36:46am

re: #60 SixDegrees

Like the farm raised fish and crustaceans that are shot full of antibiotics because of the polluted water they are raised in?

65 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:37:42am

re: #59 Fenway_Nation

I've worked two days straight, with about three hours sleep, and not all at once. My job is supercraptastic, but I'm self-employed. Like, who am I going to bitch to?

Working sucks dick. I know, I've just stated the obvious.

66 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:39:51am

re: #64 BatGuano

How do you give antibiotics to water creatures? Do they just does the water? Doesn't that eff up the water for everything else?

67 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:43:33am

re: #64 BatGuano

Like the farm raised fish and crustaceans that are shot full of antibiotics because of the polluted water they are raised in?

Among many other things.

68 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:43:48am

re: #66 theheat

How do you give antibiotics to water creatures? Do they just does the water? Doesn't that eff up the water for everything else?

Yes and yes.

69 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:44:26am

Taliban militants cut off fingers of 2 Afghan voters

Two voters who had dipped their index fingers in purple ink — a fraud prevention measure — were attacked in Kandahar province shortly after voting Thursday, said Nader Nadery, the head of the Free and Fair Election Foundation of Afghanistan. Kandahar is the spiritual birthplace of the Taliban.

Rumors that militants would cut off voters' ink-stained fingers spread before the vote. A Taliban spokesman had said militants would not carry out such attacks, but the Taliban is a loose organization of individual commanders who could carry out the threat on their own.

Total effing barbarians we are fighting.

70 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:44:41am

re: #63 BatGuano

re: #65 theheat

Yes indeed, altho as much as I'd like to up and quit, I think the temp agency only has another week left for this place. I already outlasted 1/3rd of the temps they sent over.

71 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:45:55am

re: #66 theheat

How do you give antibiotics to water creatures? Do they just does the water? Doesn't that eff up the water for everything else?

Beats the hell out of me, but in 2007 there was a ban on these Chinese products in this country. These were all farm raised creatures so they could have been individually treated but I wouldn't rule out dumping antibiotics into the cesspools in which they were raised.

72 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:46:36am

re: #68 SixDegrees

We had farm raised salmon, and it tasted so bad we couldn't eat it. Mushy, salty, shitty. Compared to so-called wild salmon, the stuff isn't fit to eat. Maybe all the doctoring of the water had something to do with it. (I had no idea they actually did that.)

So, with all the environmental regulations, how do they get away with treating the fish and the water?

73 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:47:34am

re: #64 BatGuano

Like the farm raised fish and crustaceans that are shot full of antibiotics because of the polluted water they are raised in?

Actually, a similar criticism can be lodged against American meat production, where sub-clinical doses of antibiotics are used to suppress diseases caused by overcrowding and the bizarre diet animals are fed. Aside from being unpleasant, it creates and absolutely perfect breeding ground for antibiotic-resistant bacteria to evolve and thrive.

China, however, is completely unregulated, and use haphazard amounts of questionable products, so you never know what the hell you're getting unless someone tests it (which will never happen in China) or you sprout a third arm.

74 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:48:38am

re: #70 Fenway_Nation

Any chance of going permanent there, or are you beating the pavement again after this stint?

75 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:49:57am

re: #69 SasquatchOnSteroids

Taliban militants cut off fingers of 2 Afghan voters

Total effing barbarians we are fighting.

For what it's worth, two doesn't indicate much strength. The Taliban have been threatening this for weeks, and it was supposed to be a widespread reprisal to voters. That they were able to mug a couple of people in an alley somewhere doesn't speak well for their actual power.

At least at the moment. I have a feeling this Administration will be crafting a hasty exit strategy soon.

76 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:50:33am

re: #74 theheat

No way in hell I'm going permanent with this particular stint, since apparently the regular employees aren't paid much better than us temps and have hardly any benefits to speak of.

77 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:51:33am

re: #72 theheat

We had farm raised salmon, and it tasted so bad we couldn't eat it. Mushy, salty, shitty. Compared to so-called wild salmon, the stuff isn't fit to eat. Maybe all the doctoring of the water had something to do with it. (I had no idea they actually did that.)

So, with all the environmental regulations, how do they get away with treating the fish and the water?

What environmental regulations? China has none worth talking about.

78 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:52:07am

re: #73 SixDegrees

I wouldn't intentionally buy anything edible from China. Im pissed off as it is that so many of our food sources were contaminated with shit from China, and we didn't know about. Pet food, animal food, people food - the Chinese hit us from every direction.

And I'm quite aware of the factory farming aspect of America's meat sources. It's not only unhealthy, it's barbaric. I don't eat meat any more, and that's mostly why. I'm trying to get Mr. Heat to buy all organically grown local meat, butchered on-site, for just that reason.

79 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:52:09am

Good Morning Lizards!
It's pool party day...When the hell is the Sun coming up? Lazy ass sun...*wink*

80 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:52:13am

re: #75 SixDegrees

*sigh* Wasn't Afghanistan supposed to be the 'good' war?

/at least according to the left.

81 GOPManHatTanIte  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:53:03am

re: #68 SixDegrees

what about in the food they consume...granted some antibiotics etc would obviously dissolve into the water this way as well.

82 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:53:40am

re: #78 theheat

I wouldn't intentionally buy anything edible from China. Im pissed off as it is that so many of our food sources were contaminated with shit from China, and we didn't know about. Pet food, animal food, people food - the Chinese hit us from every direction.

And I'm quite aware of the factory farming aspect of America's meat sources. It's not only unhealthy, it's barbaric. I don't eat meat any more, and that's mostly why. I'm trying to get Mr. Heat to buy all organically grown local meat, butchered on-site, for just that reason.

It's a good plan, if you can find sources nearby. Have you read The Omnivore's Dillema, by Michael Pollan? If not, you ought to pick it up.

83 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:53:58am

re: #76 Fenway_Nation

aren't paid much better than us temps and have hardly any benefits to speak of.

Sounds like if you worked for me ;-) I wouldn't do it if I had the choice!

84 SixDegrees  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:55:22am

Gotta go. Much remodeling work today, and The Borg (Home Depot) opens at 6:00, so I'm outta here.

85 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:55:50am

re: #73 SixDegrees

I am against inhumane raising of farm animals.I haven't had veal since 2002. If a beef animal can so gracious as to let us slaughter it for our consumption the least we can is allow to exist in an environment where it is able to browse in dignity from the grasses of our fields. Penned up and corn-fed is not the life meant for a bovine. Certainly not as incubators for antibiotic resistant strains of bacteria.

86 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:56:00am

re: #84 SixDegrees

Gotta go. Much remodeling work today, and The Borg (Home Depot) opens at 6:00, so I'm outta here.

Have a great day!

87 GOPManHatTanIte  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:56:03am

re: #78 theheat

Havent gotten to it myself but it was recomennded to me
Poorly Made in China

88 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:57:11am

re: #84 SixDegrees

G'night six.

89 GOPManHatTanIte  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:57:37am

re: #82 SixDegrees

"Eat food not too much mostly vegetables" i think that was his deal right?

90 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:58:18am

re: #82 SixDegrees

No, haven't read it, but I've read several books over the years about factory farming, and being in the periphery of the ag business, I know a lot about the 'behind the scenes' stuff. Nasty, ugly, brutal, sickening, unhealthy, scary.

We have a couple sources of organic/homegrown beef within just a few miles of us, and that's where we go. I won't touch the crap from the chain grocery stores any more, and I'm highly skeptical about any of the big fast food chains.

91 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:59:10am

re: #84 SixDegrees

'Night, Six. Nice visiting.

92 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 2:59:19am

re: #78 theheat

Turns out lobster is a good buy right now.

/Much to the detriment of New England's lobster fishermen

93 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:01:53am

re: #87 GOPManHatTanIte

I've read some stuff in National Geographic about the working conditions and factories in China. While I'm sure it only scratches the surface, it's all bad. Toxic, shoddy, the employees are horribly exploited, and they are a major global polluter.

But Wal-Mart sure digs 'em.

94 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:04:49am

re: #92 Fenway_Nation

That's sad. Seems like they could manipulate the prices, or at least maintain them, same as a lot of other commodities. I don't mind paying more for lobster. It isn't like we'd eat it all the time, anyway.

95 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:05:39am

re: #92 Fenway_Nation

If lobster prices are down, I'm gonna get me some tail.

96 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:05:55am

re: #95 BatGuano

Wait, shit!

97 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:06:46am

re: #93 theheat

Funny...there was some Discovery Channel miniseries on the climate change/global warming/whatever-the -fuck-they're-calling-it-this -week hosted by Tom Brokaw that peripherally acknowledged China's role as a major polluter, but blamed it not on the toxin-spewing Eastern-bloc type industrial infrastructure, but newly affluent Chinese seeking to emulate the American/consumerist lifestyle.
I shit you not...

98 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:06:48am

re: #95 BatGuano

If lobster prices are down, I'm gonna get me some tail.

LOL
I have only had lobster once in my life...Nothing special...
Good Morning

99 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:08:01am

re: #95 BatGuano

Look...you don't hear me bragging about that single mom who took me back to her place last month...

Oh wait...

100 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:10:05am

re: #98 HoosierHoops

God morning Hoosier. I do love lobster tail, especially when I prepare it myself which is about once per year.

101 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:10:08am

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

I don't know if the NatGeo Chinese factories photo essays made it online, but the evidence was right there before your eyes. It's gd filthy and sickening, and on such an enormous scale, it's mind-boggling. I believe if the rest of the world really cleaned up their act, China alone would pollute as much as all the other countries had, combined.

102 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:13:20am

re: #95 BatGuano

If lobster prices are down, I'm gonna get me some tail.

I saw the biggest lobster tail I've ever seen in my life on the table next to us at Gibson's Steakhoue in Chicago last week. RIDICULOUS.

103 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:13:23am

re: #100 BatGuano

God morning Hoosier. I do love lobster tail, especially when I prepare it myself which is about once per year.

Good Morning..ESPN is reporting the Cubs have been sold to a Billionaire..The Rickets or somebody? They will be dancing in the street in Chicago...Sale will take place after the season

104 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:15:38am

re: #97 Fenway_Nation

Fenway, that is too convoluted to make up.I'm sure Tom Brokaw believes it. And it all comes back to the USA.

105 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:18:31am

re: #102 TheMatrix31

It is now 3:17 am in California and I WANT LOBSTER TAIL!

106 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:20:08am

Oh shit...this just in:

Argentines outraged as Ahmadinejad Taps '94 Buenos Aires Bombing Mastermind for Defense Minister

BUENOS AIRES (AFP) – Argentina expressed outrage over Iran's nomination of a man wanted in connection with a 1994 Buenos Aires bombing that killed 85 people as the next defense minister.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad tapping Ahmad Vahidi for the post is "an affront to Argentine justice and the victims of the terrorist attack" on the Jewish community center, the Foreign Ministry said in a statement.



News of the nomination was received "with grave concern and deserves the most energetic condemnation of the Argentine government," it said.

In 2007, Interpol issued a warrant for the arrest of Vahidi, a former head of Al Quds, an elite unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guard.

The July 9, 1994 bombing leveled the seven-floor Argentine Jewish Mutual Association building in Buenos Aires, killing 85 people and wounding 300. No single individual has ever been convicted for the bombing.

It was the worst terrorist attack in Argentina, which has the largest Jewish community in the Americas outside the United States, and the second large-scale anti-Jewish strike in Buenos Aires that decade.

In 1992, the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires was leveled in a bombing that killed 22 people and wounded 200.

In Washington, US officials reacted with concern.

"If this report is true and if this man is confirmed as a cabinet minister and is wanted by Interpol for his involvement in a terrorist act, of course this would be disturbing," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said.

Argentina's condemnation cast fresh doubts on Ahmadinejad's cabinet nominations, which face stiff opposition from Iranian lawmakers.

But Tehran brushed aside the criticism as part of a "Zionist plot."

"How come they didn't bring it up in the past?" asked Ahmadinejad press adviser Ali Akbar Javanfekr, referring to the Argentine complaint.

"Mr Vahidi was a deputy defense minister and this is very senior political position," he told AFP.

"Therefore, it seems that this is a new trick being planned and is basically a Zionist plot."

Among the other Iranians also wanted by Interpol as part of its assistance to Buenos Aires in the case are Iran's former intelligence chief Ali Fallahian and the former head of the country's Revolutionary Guards, Mohsen Rezaei, as well as three Iranian diplomats.

Argentine prosecutors allege Iran masterminded the bombing in Buenos Aires and entrusted the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah to execute it.

In November 2006, Argentine prosecutors issued arrest warrants against several Iranians, including former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and former foreign minister Ali Akbar Velayati.

But Interpol's executive committee withdrew its warrants against Rafsanjani, Velayati and another Iranian.

/at least this is just in across my eyeballs

107 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:20:38am

re: #105 BatGuano

ewww. A little too close to breakfast cereal time for seafood, isn't it? Bluck. Wouldn't a big bowl of Captain Crunch sound better?

Now I want Captain Crunch. ('Cept it always tears up the roof of my mouth.)

108 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:20:51am

re: #105 BatGuano

It is now 3:17 am in California and I WANT LOBSTER TAIL!

Where are you at? I'm a California boy,,,Born and raised

109 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:20:53am

re: #102 TheMatrix31

I saw the biggest lobster tail I've ever seen in my life on the table next to us at Gibson's Steakhoue in Chicago last week. RIDICULOUS.

We had dinner at The Black Pelican in Kitty Hawk last week while on vacation.
They had a tank with a claw (like those stuffed animal ones) with lobsters in it.
$2.00 to try and catch one with it. "You catch it we cook it". Kids were pouring money in that thing. They make some good bank on that machine, and not one of them even came close to catching one.
I was laughing my ass off, those Lobsters are probably older than me.

110 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:21:22am

re: #103 HoosierHoops


What are the odds of a major league baseball team being bought by billionaire?

111 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:21:53am

re: #110 BatGuano

What are the odds of a major league baseball team being bought by billionaire?

LOL
one in a million? LOL

112 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:22:31am

re: #110 BatGuano

Slightly better than an NBA team being purchased by an unemployed/underemployed slacker?

Oh wait...there's always Mark Cuban,,,

113 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:23:53am

re: #112 Fenway_Nation

Slightly better than an NBA team being purchased by an unemployed/underemployed slacker?

Oh wait...there's always Mark Cuban,,,

I don't like Cuban...But I wish I scored a billion dollars and went out and bought a NBA... I'd buy Golden State

114 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:24:07am

re: #107 theheat

ewww. A little too close to breakfast cereal time for seafood, isn't it? Bluck. Wouldn't a big bowl of Captain Crunch sound better?

Now I want Captain Crunch. ('Cept it always tears up the roof of my mouth.)

It's been tearing up the roof of my mouth for forty years and I like it!

115 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:25:02am

Any wonder why the NYT is a fucking joke ?
If you look at their homepage, it's all Bush, all the time.
Who is this Obama person which you speak of ?

116 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:25:31am

re: #106 Fenway_Nation

"If this report is true and if this man is confirmed as a cabinet minister and is wanted by Interpol for his involvement in a terrorist act, of course this would be disturbing," State Department spokesman Ian Kelly said.

Uh oh, another strongly worded letter on its way. Even during Bush's tenure, no one's figured out talking them to death and condemning their choices has accomplished nothing, other than posturing. So far, that's all anyone else in the world is prepared to do, except maybe Israel, because Israel has the most to lose.

117 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:26:35am

re: #108 HoosierHoops

Where are you at? I'm a California boy,,,Born and raised

Currently, I am in San Jose, just across the Stevens Creek border where I want to return to Santa Clara.

118 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:28:16am

Too bad I've prevented myself from eating lobster since I broke out eating it a couple times when I was a kid. Maybe I should try again? It's delicious.

If I had a billion dollars, I'd buy my Suns and rescue them from their miserable owner and general manager.

119 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:29:00am

re: #117 BatGuano

Currently, I am in San Jose, just across the Stevens Creek border where I want to return to Santa Clara.

No shit! cool.. I'm from Napa but work in Silly Cone Valley...My Home office is on Central Express freeway in Santa Clara...
Transfered here...to the corn fields...weee!

120 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:31:27am

re: #115 SasquatchOnSteroids


Let me guess...0bama's numbers are slipping again, so Pinchey figures us rubes need a reminder of how bad we had it under BushCo...

121 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:31:38am

re: #118 TheMatrix31

The Phoenix Suns? All I know about them is their web site blows.

122 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:33:30am

re: #121 theheat

The Phoenix Suns? All I know about them is their web site blows.

Steve Nash is a great point guard..I saw him live at the ReggieMiller retirement game...They blew the Pacers out..Nash was great that night...

123 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:34:20am

re: #119 HoosierHoops

Hey, neighbor! The only cornfields I know around here are on Lawrence Expressway around Poincietta drive.But Lawrence intersects Central.

124 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:35:13am

re: #118 TheMatrix31

Try it again.

125 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:35:31am

re: #121 theheat

The Phoenix Suns? All I know about them is their web site blows.

LOL...eh, their site is ok.

re: #122 HoosierHoops

Steve Nash is a great point guard..I saw him live at the ReggieMiller retirement game...They blew the Pacers out..Nash was great that night...

He's the man on AND off the court, but I'm not too crazy about his politics.

126 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:35:39am

re: #120 Fenway_Nation

As a matter of fact, Obama is sucking bad right now (per CNN yesterday), and far worse than Bush did at this stage of the presidency. At this rate, he could could poll even lower than Bush, and much sooner.

That's what happens when you drag your country, kicking and screaming, into debt that defies the imagination, and try to institute a nanny state right out of the starting gate.

A lot of people have made it clear they will not go quietly, and not just the nutters. I expect the Dems are going to lose some traction in 2010. It'll be a rude awakening for them.

127 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:36:20am

Just out of curiosity, is Iran going out of it's way to piss off the world's breadbaskets? I guess Canada and the Ukraine are next (altho' I think they've been working on Canada for awhile- having some of their citicizens die in custody and whatnot)...

128 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:37:41am

re: #120 Fenway_Nation

Let me guess...0bama's numbers are slipping again, so Pinchey figures us rubes need a reminder of how bad we had it under BushCo...

That or look ever there while your shit is stolen.
Either way, fishwrap is all it's good for.

129 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:37:46am

re: #122 HoosierHoops

Well, with a name like Hoosier Hoops... I'm more of a baseball fan, if anything.

130 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:39:39am

re: #123 BatGuano

Hey, neighbor! The only cornfields I know around here are on Lawrence Expressway around Poincietta drive.But Lawrence intersects Central.

I fly home a couple times a year...We'll have to get together...I drive up to Napa and say hi to my pops in Yountville and I have a girl at UC Davis...she lives in Vacaville ( dump)
I like going over to the pub at Santa Clara University and having a beer with the Seniors and watch sports on the big screen

131 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:40:23am

re: #125 TheMatrix31

Don't know about Nash's politics but he is a great point guard. Stylistically he is up there with Bob Cousy and John Stockton. What was Mark Cuban thinking?

132 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:41:17am

re: #131 BatGuano

Don't know about Nash's politics but he is a great point guard. Stylistically he is up there with Bob Cousy and John Stockton. What was Mark Cuban thinking?

He signed Erick Dampier instead, lol.

Nash + D'Antoni = perfect marriage.

133 UncleRancher  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:42:23am

re: #126 theheat

Those huge debt numbers are not yet realized because only a fraction of that TARP money and other FIASCO Funds have not yet been spent. If The People rise up now and prevent the rest of the money being spent on wild extravagances we may yet be able to bring this under control, but it will take some major convincing.

134 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:42:39am

re: #130 HoosierHoops

I'm ashamed to admit that in the seventies, I used to go to Santa Clara University to score dope.

135 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:44:55am

re: #134 BatGuano

I'm ashamed to admit that in the seventies, I used to go to Santa Clara University to score dope.

And in a nice little roundabout connective way, Steve Nash attended Santa Clara University.

136 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:45:34am

re: #127 Fenway_Nation

I think they thrive on conflict, wherever and however they can get it. It's such an ordeal to truly wage war on another country, they're betting it isn't worth it to most countries to actually do anything, and they're right. A few dead foreigners - tourists, journalist, whatever - is a lot cheaper than a declaration of war by the offended country.

The knee-jerk days of kicking ass are long gone, and I don't see them coming back.

137 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:45:36am

re: #134 BatGuano

I'm ashamed to admit that in the seventies, I used to go to Santa Clara University to score dope.

LOL
Did you wear a 3 piece white polyester suit strutting down the street...Staying Alive? You stud you!

138 UncleRancher  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:47:26am

re: #137 HoosierHoops

LOL
Did you wear a 3 piece white polyester suit strutting down the street...Staying Alive? You stud you!

2 piece 'lectric blue. Seems like a long time ago now.

139 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:49:18am

re: #135 TheMatrix31

And in a nice little roundabout connective way, Steve Nash attended Santa Clara University.

I've seen passing in Basketball...His passing is so crisp and smart in his prime..
To see him live in full speed making the most beautiful pass to the open man is a thing to behold.

140 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:49:42am

re: #133 UncleRancher

I've been somewhat surprised how Obama has reacted to the town hall meetings, alone. He's changed his tune, already, and has tipped his hand a bit. He's either a terrific poker player and he's baiting us playing possum, or he's truly rattled. I'm hoping it's the latter.

Bush went to sleep how many nights (?) knowing a great number of the people in the country hated his freakin' guts. Obama's only had a tiny taste of that kind of unpopularity so far, and he's already going sideways. He doesn't like being unpopular, and he doesn't seem to have much of a stomach for it.

141 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:50:47am

re: #137 HoosierHoops

No, I was a tight blue jeaned white cotton shirt kinda stud. :) Clapton was my god.

142 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:51:10am

Arab group republishes Shoah cartoon on website

Disgraceful Arab protest: The Arab-European League in Holland has republished a cartoon mocking the Holocaust three years after it has been removed from its website.

The move was aimed to protest the decision not to indict Dutch Lawmaker Geert Wilders over an anti-Islamic movie he produced.

OK, we're pissed at the Dutch.
Mock them Jooos !

143 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:51:14am
144 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:51:50am

re: #135 TheMatrix31

Indeed he did!

145 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:52:02am

re: #138 UncleRancher

2 piece 'lectric blue. Seems like a long time ago now.

Come on Rancher..It's cool..You can tell us..did you have a big floppy purple hat? *wink*

146 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:52:35am

re: #139 HoosierHoops

I've seen passing in Basketball...His passing is so crisp and smart in his prime..
To see him live in full speed making the most beautiful pass to the open man is a thing to behold.

I wish I was alive to watch Pistol Pete.

147 UncleRancher  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:53:31am

re: #145 HoosierHoops

Come on Rancher..It's cool..You can tell us..did you have a big floppy purple hat? *wink*

Nope. Didn't need the hat. The rest of it worked just fine.

148 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:57:33am

re: #143 Fenway_Nation

In other New England lobster news...rare cobalt-blue lobster caught off of New Hampshire coast.

Red Lobsters are oppressing me !

149 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:58:25am

re: #146 TheMatrix31

Matrix, you are so wise beyond you years. Pistol Pete Maravich invented "show time" in the NBA. I was alive to watch him but did not have the opportunity to see him live.. It was a sad day when I read that he died of heart failure at the age of forty in a pick up game.

150 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:59:01am

re: #146 TheMatrix31

I wish I was alive to watch Pistol Pete.

imagine being in college and the game of the week you have to guard pistol pete...That would suck knowing he was going to destroy you...
His cross over was under rated...He was so under rated with ball handling..When he was a kid his pops drove him around in a car and make Pete bounce the ball out the back seat window...Serious training...
Pete would go right around you and shoot beautiful shots.

151 UncleRancher  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 3:59:31am

re: #140 theheat

I've been somewhat surprised how Obama has reacted to the town hall meetings, alone. He's changed his tune, already, and has tipped his hand a bit. He's either a terrific poker player and he's baiting us playing possum, or he's truly rattled. I'm hoping it's the latter.

Bush went to sleep how many nights (?) knowing a great number of the people in the country hated his freakin' guts. Obama's only had a tiny taste of that kind of unpopularity so far, and he's already going sideways. He doesn't like being unpopular, and he doesn't seem to have much of a stomach for it.


Somewhere here I have an email from a friend in Montana who was around when Ear Leader was there for his "town hall". Everything right down to the last detail and everyone in attendance was completely orchestrated. They picked an empty hanger clear out of the public view for the venue when there are all kinds of rooms available in that college town of Bozeman.

152 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:02:57am

re: #151 UncleRancher

AHA! I was just talking to my brother about that yesterday. I knew there was no way in hell he got the kind of positive response they reported in the news. It said about 1,300 people showed up, and the audience was overall "very positive" about the (vaguely) proposed health care plan.

I knew it was bullshit! There's no way you could get 1,300 Montanans at random that would view this plan positively. They had to dredge the Dem pool pretty deeply for the attendance.

153 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:04:30am

re: #151 UncleRancher

Yea...Montana and Colorado kinda struck me as odd choices for a town hall venue for 0bama until I realized that he probably went out of his way to find blue enclaves in these red states.

My understanding is that the Bozeman area is a popular retreat for some of the rich and famous blue-state types in part because of it's proximity to the north enterance of Yellowstone. I've also heard Missoula being compared to Austin (very liberal college town in a state better known for rugged cowboy and ranching types)...

154 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:04:38am

re: #149 BatGuano

Matrix, you are so wise beyond you years. Pistol Pete Maravich invented "show time" in the NBA. I was alive to watch him but did not have the opportunity to see him live.. It was a sad day when I read that he died of heart failure at the age of forty in a pick up game.

Seems like he would have been one of my favorite players ever. I love watching guys like Nash and Kidd for those same reasons. All are just magical on the court.

re: #150 HoosierHoops

imagine being in college and the game of the week you have to guard pistol pete...That would suck knowing he was going to destroy you...
His cross over was under rated...He was so under rated with ball handling..When he was a kid his pops drove him around in a car and make Pete bounce the ball out the back seat window...Serious training...
Pete would go right around you and shoot beautiful shots.

I'd probably piss my pants if I had the assignment to guard him. Didn't he average like, 44 a game in college?

155 UncleRancher  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:07:18am

re: #153 Fenway_Nation

One of the people I work with was in Yellowstone (*) at the time camping. When the motorcade came into Old Faithful area they just moved out of the way.

*- The Real Reason Ear Leader went to Bozeman

156 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:07:37am

re: #150 HoosierHoops

I believe he still has the colege record for scoring 44 points per game. And if you're a defender, you have no idea where the ball is going. Also, he wore old baggy socks,

157 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:09:09am

re: #154 TheMatrix31

I'd probably piss my pants if I had the assignment to guard him. Didn't he average like, 44 a game in college?

It would be hell..Pete's all around game was under rated..He scored a lot of points but was a true baller..
The best pure shooter I saw in College was Rick Mount...Just a beautiful stroke...

158 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:10:02am

re: #154 TheMatrix31

See my number 156. You are right, 44.

159 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:10:14am

re: #157 HoosierHoops

It would be hell..Pete's all around game was under rated..He scored a lot of points but was a true baller..
The best pure shooter I saw in College was Rick Mount...Just a beautiful stroke...

Heh...good thing they didn't call him Dick Mount.

160 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:13:41am

re: #155 UncleRancher

You mean, they didn't hand Obama a dozen cupcakes, and suggest he make friends with the bears?

161 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:15:50am

Yankees beats Boston 20-11 last night..
Damn Yankees

162 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:16:42am

re: #161 HoosierHoops

Yankees beats Boston 20-11 last night..
Damn Yankees

WTF? I thought that was an NFL preseason game...

163 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:17:11am

re: #161 HoosierHoops

Yankees beats Boston 20-11 last night..
Damn Yankees

And the Braves laid an egg against the Marlins in the opening game of a CRUCIAL series.

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:18:10am

And the Rays beat Texas to move within 2 games of the wildcard.

165 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:18:24am

Damn yankees!

re: #161 HoosierHoops

Damn Yankees!

166 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:18:50am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

And the Rays beat Texas to move within 2 games of the wildcard.

Speed and power...Watch out...

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:20:02am

re: #166 HoosierHoops

Speed and power...Watch out...

I got a Mowhawk last year before the playoffs started. I looked like my dad when he was in the Army.

168 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:20:55am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

I got a Mowhawk last year before the playoffs started. I looked like my dad when he was in the Army.

LOL
we need pics!

169 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:21:36am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

And the Rays beat Texas to move within 2 games of the wildcard.

It's still three :-/

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:23:32am

re: #168 HoosierHoops
I have them!!

re: #169 TheMatrix31

I forgot we lost Thursday, rats.

171 theheat  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:24:18am

Someone screwed up on the math...

Obama administration projects $9 trillion deficit over 10 years... a significant jump from the $7 trillion deficit that officials had projected at the beginning of the year.

And on that happy note, I need to get my butt back to work. It's been fun. 'Night, All.

172 UncleRancher  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:24:41am

re: #160 theheat

You mean, they didn't hand Obama a dozen cupcakes, and suggest he make friends with the bears?

..
Thursday morning about 600 tickets were passed out.
However, 1500 were printed at a Local printing shop per White House request..
Hmmm...900 tickets just DISAPPEARED.

This same morning someone called into the radio from the local UPS branch and said that THOUSANDS of Dollars of Lobster were shipped in for Obama. Montana has some of the best beef in the nation!!! And it would have been really wonderful to help out the local economy. Anyone heard of the Recession?? Just think...with all of the traveling the White House is doing. One can only imagine what else we are paying for.

On Friday ___ and I got out to the airport about 10:45am. The groups that wanted to protest Obama's spending and healthcare had gotten a permit to protest and that area was roped off. But that was not to be. A large bus carrying SEIU (Service Employees International Union) members drove up onto the area (illegal)and unloaded right there. It was quite a commotion and there were specifically 2 SEIU men trying to make trouble and start a fight. Police did get involved and arrested the one man but they said they did not have the manpower to remove the SEIU crowd. The SEIU crowd was very organized and young. About 99% were under the age of 30 and they were not locals! They had bullhorns and PROFESSIONALLY made signs.

173 UncleRancher  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:24:51am

Some even wore preprinted T-shirts. Oh, and Planned Parenthood folks were with them...professing abortion rights with their T-shirts and preprinted signs. (BTW, all these folks did have a permit to protest in ANOTHER area). Those against healthcare/spending moved away from the SEIU crowd to avoid confrontation. They were orderly and respectful. Even though SEIU kept coming over and walking through, continuing to be very intimidating and aggressive at the direction of the one SEIU man. So we had Montana folks from ALL OVER the state with their homemade signs and their DOGS with homemade signs. We had cowboys, nurses, doctors you name it. There was even a guy from Texas who had been driving through. He found out about the occasion, went to the store, made a sign, and came to protest.

If you are wondering about the press...Well, all of the major networks were over by that remote hangar I mentioned. They were conveniently parked on the other side of the buildings FAR away. None of these crowds were even visible to them. I have my doubts that they knew anything about the crowds. We did have some local news media around us from this state and Idaho.

Speaking of the local media...they were invited. However, all questions were to be turned into the White House in advance of the event. Wouldn't want anyone to have to think off the top of their head.

It was very obvious that it was meant to be totally controlled by the White House. Everything was orchestrated down to the last detail to make it appear that Montana is just crazy for Obama and government healthcare. Even those people that talked about their insurance woes...the White House called our local HRDC (Human Resource and Development Committee) and asked for names. Then the White House asked those folks to come. Smoke and mirrors...EVERYTHING was staged!!! I am very dismayed about what I learned about our current White House. The amount of control and manipulation was unbelievable. I felt I was not living in the United States of America, more like the USSR!! I was physically nauseous.

___ and I have been around when Presidents or Heads of State visit. It has NEVER been like this. I am truly very frightened for our country. America needs your prayers and your voices. If you care about our country please get involved.

Know the issues. And let Congress hear your voices again and again!! If they are willing to put forth so much effort to BULLY a small town one can only imagine what is going on in Washington DC.

Scary

174 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:25:20am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

Believe it or not, Mohawks were popular among elementary students in 1961, in Eugene, Oregon.

175 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:26:47am

re: #167 Cannadian Club Akbar

As long as it wasn't the 'Rawhawk' bikini wax...

176 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:27:02am

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have them!!

re: #169 TheMatrix31

I forgot we lost Thursday, rats.

I have a bit of a soft spot for the Rays. I love almost all of their players.

177 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:30:27am

re: #174 BatGuano

Believe it or not, Mohawks were popular among elementary students in 1961, in Eugene, Oregon.


I wasn't thought of then

re: #175 Fenway_Nation

That name just hurts.

178 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:33:25am

Yanks/Sox at 4 today and Bucs/J'ville at 8 tonight. I'm gonna need more beer.

179 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:35:59am

re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar

Enough of this NFL preseason crapola...wake me when the games actually count.

180 BatGuano  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:36:00am

Good night, all.

181 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:36:07am

re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yanks/Sox at 4 today and Bucs/J'ville at 8 tonight. I'm gonna need more beer.

Pool party and BBQ today at the hoopsters! I've been up for 2 hours...Weee!

182 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:36:55am

Good night, BG!

183 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:37:26am

re: #179 Fenway_Nation

Any football is better then none.

re: #181 HoosierHoops

And drinking beer since??:)

184 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:40:23am

re: #179 Fenway_Nation

Enough of this NFL preseason crapola...wake me when the games actually count.

The new Colts defense just beat the living hell out of the bad ass Eagles...
We don't do that much cover 2 crap now...Big on the line to stop the run...Fast in the backfield...
The Colts now have a real defense to help Manning..
Ask the Eagles...They are in hot tubs this morning

185 TheMatrix31  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:41:19am

I'm out too, later dudes.

186 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:42:17am

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

Any football is better then none.

re: #181 HoosierHoops

And drinking beer since??:)

Wink

187 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:45:00am

re: #186 HoosierHoops

The Bucs already lost a starting safety for the first 4 games (substance abuse violation) and a starting corner got arrested Thursday night and I am sure Godell will give him a 4 gamer. Geez.

188 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:49:40am

The Colts are the rare team n sports for the last decade..
The Character of the players and Dungy and his influence on this town..
Even if you hate the Colts when they play your team..Everyone secretly admires them and loves the team...A very special football team...

189 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:53:08am

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

The age-old equation has always been:
football(bad) - football(none at all) = football.
Come to think of it, that worked for beer too.

190 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:55:12am

re: #189 Pullus Iulius

The age-old equation has always been:
football(bad) - football(none at all) = football.
Come to think of it, that worked for beer too.

Good morning
hope you are well today...

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:56:06am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

I met Tony Dungy. Had him sign an old school Bucs Pennant. He signed the wrong side and graciously took it back and signed the correct side. And I do like the Colts. But I hate the freakin' Raiders. Hate. Red Hot Hate.

192 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:56:48am

re: #190 HoosierHoops

Good morning
hope you are well today...

And to you, too. Thank you. Hangover from the football(bad), though.

193 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:59:29am

Good Morning all from the triple H northeast

194 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 4:59:38am

re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar

Love me some NCAA football, too...

September 1, 2007 was a pretty good day for me. I blew off most of the college football games I could get on XM so I could listen to Buchholz throw his no-hitter against the O's.

195 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:00:22am
I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.

— Richard Feynman


Well, very few people understand economics, either. And nobody in Washington seems to.

Four more banks fail, with 2009 tally now at 81
Guaranty Bank of Texas joins list of biggest U.S. bank failures of all time

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. on Friday announced four more bank failures, including a Texas bank with total assets of about $13 billion, pushing this year's tally up to 81.

Guaranty Bank of Austin, Texas became the 81st bank failure of 2009 after it was closed by Office of Thrift Supervision, which appointed the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. as receiver, the federal agency said late Friday.


Yep, that stimulus is sure working great.

196 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:02:01am

re: #195 3 wood
the economic outlook just gets rosier and rosier don't it?

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:03:15am

re: #194 Fenway_Nation

Love me some NCAA football, too...

September 1, 2007 was a pretty good day for me. I blew off most of the college football games I could get on XM so I could listen to Buchholz throw his no-hitter against the O's.

The week following 9/11 in 2001, baseball got pushed back. I saw the Rays/Yanks (only stayed 1 inning) went to Bucs/Packers, left there and saw the Lightning/Panthers hockey game. 1 day, 3 pro sport games.

198 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:03:22am

Good morning, lizards.

199 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:05:02am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

I met Tony Dungy. Had him sign an old school Bucs Pennant. He signed the wrong side and graciously took it back and signed the correct side. And I do like the Colts. But I hate the freakin' Raiders. Hate. Red Hot Hate.

LOL! I grew up in Northern California..I loved the Raiders with all my heart...When we were kids and the raiders were kicking ass we'd all run outside at halftime and play ball and kick the living hell out of each other..then run back for the game...
One time I was in Alameda and got into the practice field and watched Lester Hayes work out for an hour...What a monster! you would not want to meet up with him on the field of battle...
I will always be a Raiders Fan..My Childhood hero's

200 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:06:06am

re: #195 3 wood

Hey! Just the lizard I was hoping to hear from.

I was just wondering why, despite some big gains on the NYSE this week, grocers like Kroger, SuperValu and Safeway were trading much much closer to their 52-week lows...was there any dismal earnings forecasts recently that I missed?

201 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:06:53am

re: #198 Irish Rose

Good morning, lizards.

Good morning Irish..It's pool party day and it's colder than hell outside so far..high of 72 today...overcast...

202 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:07:11am

Running out of gas
Consumers, auto dealers facing problems as 'Cash for Clunkers' comes to an end

You have just a few days left to trade in your clunker for up to $4,500 off the cost of a new, more fuel-efficient car.

But because of some potholes in the reimbursement process, you may find yourself facing off against the car dealer, consumer advocates say.

Some auto dealers are pressing consumers to sign agreements requiring them to pay back to the dealer the rebate of up to $4,500 -- or return the new car -- if the government doesn't approve the customer's clunker exchange.

But some say consumers shouldn't be on the hook to come up with the cash.

"You go in, you trade in your car and you think you're getting in on the cash-for-clunkers deal. But then the dealer tells you, 'Oops, it didn't go through. We need the money or the car back,'" said Rosemary Shahan, president of Citizens for Auto Reliability and Safety, or CARS, a California-based advocacy group.

"To be fair to the dealers, it's a new program, it's complicated. There are probably dealers who have made a lot of honest mistakes," she said. "The question is: Who should pay for that? We're concerned consumers are being pressured to come up with money that they really don't have."


Just project this situation onto your doctor.

Meanwhile, tired of doling out hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of rebates to consumers without yet seeing a dime, in some cases, from the government, some dealers have stopped participating in the clunker program, according to news reports

.

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:08:12am

re: #199 HoosierHoops

I saw the Raiders in Tampa at the old stadium when I had season tix. Raiders fans everywhere. Cole Ford was attemting a 20 yard FG to win it. He missed. We ended up winning. Heh. But yes, old school Raiders were bad ass.

204 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:09:26am

Good Morning LGF.

205 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:09:55am

re: #201 HoosierHoops

Good morning Irish..It's pool party day and it's colder than hell outside so far..high of 72 today...overcast...

Ow, not a good day for a pool party.
Hope ya got lots of food ;).

You feeling better today?

206 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:11:57am

re: #196 bbuddha

the economic outlook just gets rosier and rosier don't it?

There is a disconnect going on. The Obama worshippers including the MSM are trying to paint slowing destruction as economic growth.

Meanwhile, more and more people are losing their jobs, folks are running out of unemployment benefits, banks are still closing and the economy keeps contracting. All Obama and his worshippers can seem to do is demonize the opposition and talk about "hope".

Hope does not pay the bills, and the world is quickly running out of patience with our profligate deficits spending.

207 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:13:22am

With Smiles, Obama Leaves Capital Behind - having thoroughly wee-weed off the people of the US our Presidente does need a good vacation.

“He is a chess player in a town with a lot of checker players,” said David Plouffe...

...and the people are a bunch of stupid hick's incapable of playing checkers, let alone chess, huh Plouffe?

Mornin folks.

208 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:13:31am

re: #200 Fenway_Nation

I was just wondering why, despite some big gains on the NYSE this week, grocers like Kroger, SuperValu and Safeway were trading much much closer to their 52-week lows...was there any dismal earnings forecasts recently that I missed?

Beware of the "big gains", it was on very light trading activity. I see a 5% pull back coming, at least.

Again, folks are out of work and running out of benefits and savings.

209 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:14:11am

re: #202 3 wood

So the dealers ruin the engine of a car you trade in, then don't get their cash from the gubment, then want the new car back. Hmm. Sounds like everything is just ducky.
/

210 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:14:22am

re: #206 3 wood

There is a disconnect going on. The Obama worshippers including the MSM are trying to paint slowing destruction as economic growth.

Meanwhile, more and more people are losing their jobs, folks are running out of unemployment benefits, banks are still closing and the economy keeps contracting. All Obama and his worshippers can seem to do is demonize the opposition and talk about "hope".

Hope does not pay the bills, and the world is quickly running out of patience with our profligate deficits spending.

Maybe it's time for the rest of the world to bail out the US for a change.
Fat chance.

211 Lucius Septimius  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:14:35am

re: #206 3 wood

Hope does not pay the bills, and the world is quickly running out of patience with our profligate deficits spending.

Sure it does! Ya just gotta BELIEVE.

Remember, if you don't believe in faeries, Tinkerbell will die. And you don't want to kill Tinkerbell, do you?

212 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:14:59am

re: #206 3 wood

There is a disconnect going on. The Obama worshippers including the MSM are trying to paint slowing destruction as economic growth.

Meanwhile, more and more people are losing their jobs, folks are running out of unemployment benefits, banks are still closing and the economy keeps contracting. All Obama and his worshippers can seem to do is demonize the opposition and talk about "hope".

Hope does not pay the bills, and the world is quickly running out of patience with our profligate deficits spending.

No argument from me on that. He's big at projecting all the "evil" on the republicans. I heard him say that the republicans are blocking his healthcare "reform". conveniently leaving out the fact that if he had all of his pary on board he doesn't need any of those horrible R's

213 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:15:59am

re: #197 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not bad...a couple of years ago, I managed to get to a day game between the Rockies and Padres at PETCO park- even tho' it went to extra innings, I still managed to walk to the Santa Fe depot in time to catch the train to Anaheim, where we showed up in time to catch the Red Sox taking BP at Angels stadium...(no football or hockey going on concurrently).

I also managed to get Bill Mueller (3rd baseman on the '04 Red Sox) and Teemu Sellane's autograph on the same day a little more recently...

214 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:17:26am

re: #205 Irish Rose

Ow, not a good day for a pool party.
Hope ya got lots of food ;).

You feeling better today?

Life is sweet Irish...My boy comes home from the Marines at 4pm on the 27th.
Plenty of food and cold beer here...It's a cool day but the pool is warm..
I thank God for the grace God has shown my family...I can't wait to kiss my son on the cheek and shake his hand and thank him for his service to our country..And keep him home here forever...
I am very proud of him this morning..

215 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:20:06am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

So the dealers ruin the engine of a car you trade in, then don't get their cash from the gubment, then want the new car back. Hmm. Sounds like everything is just ducky.
/


Good morning all. the Administartion is calling this failed program a success.
It's kind of like, "We do not know why Custer is unavailable for the victory parade."

216 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:20:16am

re: #213 Fenway_Nation
I went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals in 2004 and got the ticket signed by the coach (John Tortorella) and the captain (Dave Andrychuck). Also got my pic with the cup and a pic with the cup and coach. My friend used to run a local ice rink, so I didn't do anything special 'cept answer my phone.

217 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:20:26am

re: #214 HoosierHoops

Life is sweet Irish...My boy comes home from the Marines at 4pm on the 27th.
Plenty of food and cold beer here...It's a cool day but the pool is warm..
I thank God for the grace God has shown my family...I can't wait to kiss my son on the cheek and shake his hand and thank him for his service to our country..And keep him home here forever...
I am very proud of him this morning..

I am too Hoops, and please tell him that I said so.
Is he coming home for good?

We're both going to have our Marines home at the same time, btw... my son is coming home for leave on the 27th too.

Hows' that for coincidence?

218 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:20:45am

re: #214 HoosierHoops

I'm happy for you that your son is coming home. Thank him for me too.

219 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:22:18am

re: #214 HoosierHoops

Life is sweet Irish...My boy comes home from the Marines at 4pm on the 27th.
Plenty of food and cold beer here...It's a cool day but the pool is warm..
I thank God for the grace God has shown my family...I can't wait to kiss my son on the cheek and shake his hand and thank him for his service to our country..And keep him home here forever...
I am very proud of him this morning..

That is wonderful.

220 Pullus Iulius  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:23:29am

re: #206 3 wood

I see Bernanke announced that the economy was in the process of "leveling out." Trying to get us excited over setting the record for low altitude flight. Trouble is, you can only tie that record.

221 Lucius Septimius  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:23:41am

One of the things that never ceases to amaze me about the Obama presidency is how a product of the most craven political machine in America could be packaged as "an outsider," a representative of new and principled governance. C'mon -- he inherited, but party fiat -- the Senate seat formerly held by Carol Mosely-Braun!

Much of Obama's trouble, methinks, derive from his Illinois experience. He isn't used to having to answer to anyone (least of all the public) aside from the small group of power brokers who decide who will get which seats from which districts before a vote is ever taken (remember that in Chicago, all that matters are the primary elections, and those are conducted along lines that would have made the Soviets envious). Now he actually has to face the fact that there is -- gasp! -- ANOTHER PARTY out there, and people who have the nerve to question the program he is fronting for.

That never happened in Chicago. And frankly, I think he honestly has no idea how to react.

222 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:26:27am

re: #221 Lucius Septimius

One of the things that never ceases to amaze me about the Obama presidency is how a product of the most craven political machine in America could be packaged as "an outsider," a representative of new and principled governance. C'mon -- he inherited, but party fiat -- the Senate seat formerly held by Carol Mosely-Braun!

Much of Obama's trouble, methinks, derive from his Illinois experience. He isn't used to having to answer to anyone (least of all the public) aside from the small group of power brokers who decide who will get which seats from which districts before a vote is ever taken (remember that in Chicago, all that matters are the primary elections, and those are conducted along lines that would have made the Soviets envious). Now he actually has to face the fact that there is -- gasp! -- ANOTHER PARTY out there, and people who have the nerve to question the program he is fronting for.

That never happened in Chicago. And frankly, I think he honestly has no idea how to react.

But, but, but, he won.

223 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:26:51am

re: #217 Irish Rose

I am too Hoops, and please tell him that I said so.
Is he coming home for good?

We're both going to have our Marines home at the same time, btw... my son is coming home for leave on the 27th too.

Hows' that for coincidence?

Whoa..that is weird...Is your son is the 3/5? Jordan is out for good..He is going to be a policeman...I saw a picture of your Marine on your website..nice looking young man..you must be very proud

224 Lucius Septimius  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:27:54am

re: #215 opnion

Good morning all. the Administartion is calling this failed program a success.
It's kind of like, "We do not know why Custer is unavailable for the victory parade."

AP -- Washington -- June 26 1876. The White House announced today a stunning success in the Montana Territory. General George C. Custer successfully diverted a large number of Indians from making indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets. Reports also state that in the aftermath of Gen'l Custer's campaign "The Indians are running desperately short of ammunition; their warriors are exhausted." A spokesman summed up the situation by saying "The success of this operation, distracting and disarming the opposition, is a clear indication of the success of our current policy."

225 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:27:55am

re: #209 Cannadian Club Akbar

So the dealers ruin the engine of a car you trade in, then don't get their cash from the gubment, then want the new car back. Hmm. Sounds like everything is just ducky.

And this gang wants to take over your health care.

226 Ay, Caramba  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:28:26am

I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.women.

227 Lucius Septimius  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:28:55am

re: #222 Cannadian Club Akbar

But, but, but, he won.

Precisely. That should have settled the matter, right?

Daddy Daley would never have put up with these protesters -- he knew how to deal with uppity people carrying signs.

228 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:29:16am

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

Maybe it's time for the rest of the world to bail out the US for a change.
Fat chance.

They have been buying our debt up, but that is coming to a halt. You will see interest rates climbing by the end of the year, I think.

229 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:30:50am

re: #221 Lucius Septimius

The good news is that the "Obama" Senate seat is in serious jepordy.
The Dems look like they might have a divisive primary with the Tresurer Alexi Genulious, who funnled money to the mob from his family bank & Lisa Madigan the Attorney General.
Congressman Kirk will be the Repuiblican cadidate. He is a Reserve Naval Officer with recent active duty & squeaky clesn.

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:31:04am

re: #225 3 wood

And this gang wants to take over your health care.

I don't see doctors very often. The last tme I did I got cholesterol medication and that put me in the ER (it was 1 AM, no walk in clinics open) I just don't want to pay for refusing gubment healthcare.

231 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:31:57am

re: #220 Pullus Iulius

I see Bernanke announced that the economy was in the process of "leveling out." Trying to get us excited over setting the record for low altitude flight. Trouble is, you can only tie that record.

I think he was also telegraphing that he is out of bullets and will soon have to start raising the discount rate and turning down the spigot of money.

He has to, we won't be able to sell our debt if he does not.

232 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:32:37am

re: #224 Lucius Septimius

AP -- Washington -- June 26 1876. The White House announced today a stunning success in the Montana Territory. General George C. Custer successfully diverted a large number of Indians from making indiscriminate attacks on civilian targets. Reports also state that in the aftermath of Gen'l Custer's campaign "The Indians are running desperately short of ammunition; their warriors are exhausted." A spokesman summed up the situation by saying "The success of this operation, distracting and disarming the opposition, is a clear indication of the success of our current policy."

See all is well.

233 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:36:44am

Hey Hoops & Rose,

Thank you for yours for your families perseverance and, of course, the boys for their service.

234 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:37:38am

Chicago Cubs Sold to TD Ameritrade’s Ricketts for $845 Million

The Chicago Cubs baseball team, which hasn’t won a World Series in more than 100 years, will be acquired by the family of TD Ameritrade Holding Corp. founder Joe Ricketts for $845 million.

The sale by Chicago-based Tribune Co., the newspaper publisher driven to bankruptcy last year by debt and falling ad sales, requires the approval of Major League Baseball’s owners and the court, the parties said yesterday in a statement.

They still won't win unless the ownership spends the money to develop a good minor league feeder system for the team and hire some more competent scouts.

And Wrigley is just too old and small to support that kind of an operation.

235 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:38:03am

Time for breakfast. Later.

236 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:38:26am

re: #223 HoosierHoops

Whoa..that is weird...Is your son is the 3/5? Jordan is out for good..He is going to be a policeman...I saw a picture of your Marine on your website..nice looking young man..you must be very proud

Yes I sure am.
He has a year left to go and is thinking he probably won't re-up, he wants to marry his best girl and get some schooling. And he misses the folks back home even more than we miss him.

I have him home for a couple of weeks, and then he's back out to San Diego. They may send him out again on deployment, they may keep him at Miramar working on the aviation team there until his stint is up - hard to know at this point.

237 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:39:34am

U.S. National Debt Clock

Obama's aiming to double it. Add $2.5+ trillion for health care "reform" and cap & trade.

/this is easily the most serious threat to this country that I've seen in my lifetime

238 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:40:43am

re: #233 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Thanks aboo :).

239 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:41:51am

re: #234 3 wood

Chicago Cubs Sold to TD Ameritrade’s Ricketts for $845 Million


They still won't win unless the ownership spends the money to develop a good minor league feeder system for the team and hire some more competent scouts.

And Wrigley is just too old and small to support that kind of an operation.

A new Cub ecxuse is born, they now have Rickets.
The cubs have a tradition of losing & their fans have embraced it, "loveable losers". They actually do not have to win, it goes beyond baseball, it is a cultural experience. They fill the park no matter what.
The White Sox on the other hand have been more successful in modern times but play second fiddle to the Cubs.

240 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:42:03am

re: #236 Irish Rose

Here's hoping he gets to stay a little closer to home for his last year.

241 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:42:21am

re: #237 Killian Bundy

Our share is $38,226.53 each. CHANGE!!! Pony up, lizards!!

242 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:43:21am

re: #241 Cannadian Club Akbar

Our share is $38,226.53 each. CHANGE!!! Pony up, lizards!!

Pardon me, I think I'm going to add some booze to my coffee this morning.
BRB.

243 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:44:01am

re: #242 Irish Rose

Pardon me, I think I'm going to add some booze to my coffee this morning.
BRB.

I love you.

244 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:44:45am

re: #243 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love you.

Don't go all mushy on me now ;).

245 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:46:58am

re: #244 Irish Rose

Booze at your house and Hoops is having a beer/BBQ/ pool party. Decisions, decisions.

246 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:47:57am

re: #242 Irish Rose

Oohh that sounds like a lovely idea.

247 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:49:20am

re: #245 Cannadian Club Akbar

Booze at your house and Hoops is having a beer/BBQ/ pool party. Decisions, decisions.

Cute girls in bikinis at 1 pm..please...

248 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:49:48am

Rifqa Barry, the 17 year old convert to Christianiy from Islam is being granted foster homeing in Florida until things get sorted out.
She says that she left home because she fears an honor killing. Her parents say that they don not believe in that practice. Any thoughts?

249 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:50:19am

Michigan Unemployment Remains Highest In The Nation


Michigan's unemployment rate remains the highest in the nation, despite a small dip in the jobless rate last month.

Official figure is 15 percent. When you factor in all of the people who have dropped off the rolls, we figure the percentage here in Michigan is closer to 25 percent, perhaps higher.

If you're a low income worker, or have a background in manufacturing, then you're pretty much screwed.

250 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:53:13am

re: #249 Irish Rose

Michigan Unemployment Remains Highest In The Nation


Official figure is 15 percent. When you factor in all of the people who have dropped off the rolls, we figure the percentage here in Michigan is closer to 25 percent, perhaps higher.

If you're a low income worker, or have a background in manufacturing, then you're pretty much screwed.

Illinois has hit double digit unemployment. Illinois is considered a bellweather, so this can't be good

251 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:53:17am

re: #242 Irish Rose

Pardon me, I think I'm going to add some booze to my coffee this morning.
BRB.

Help yourselves to a cup of joe

Morning Lizards. Enjoy. How's everyone this morning?

252 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:53:30am

re: #248 opnion

If they (muslims) convert they are considered apostates, that is punishable by death. This religion seems to be of the thought that they must spill blood of the "offender" to preserve their honor.

253 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:54:03am

re: #248 opnion

Rifqa Barry, the 17 year old convert to Christianiy from Islam is being granted foster homeing in Florida until things get sorted out.
She says that she left home because she fears an honor killing. Her parents say that they don not believe in that practice. Any thoughts?

IIRC, even if she was to go home, a judge there could have put her in protective custody. And I think she met the preacher guy through Facebook or something.

254 BignJames  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:54:26am

re: #188 HoosierHoops

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

Colts have been my team from way back...I mean Johnny U, Lenny Moore, Ray Berry way back.


I hate the Cowboys...but not as much as I hate Jerry Jones.

255 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:54:47am

Morning opnion. You have double digit #250s. Odd.

256 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:56:59am

BRB laundry is ready to be hung

257 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:57:37am

re: #248 opnion

Rifqa Barry, the 17 year old convert to Christianiy from Islam is being granted foster homeing in Florida until things get sorted out.
She says that she left home because she fears an honor killing. Her parents say that they don not believe in that practice. Any thoughts?

I don't often agree with Pamela because I tend to think she's a nutcase, but she is right on this one. The girl should not be forced to return home if she has any reasonable fear that her life might be in danger.

Our courts are simply not prepared for legislation in these matters and moving slowly on a final decision is the right thing to do.

I do however, think that it's important to take a hard look at the "pastor" who persuaded her to leave her family and harbored her. This is not the first time that he has done this sort of thing, and his integrity and motives IMO less than pure and rather suspect.

258 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:57:58am

re: #251 midwestgak

Help yourselves to a cup of joe

Morning Lizards. Enjoy. How's everyone this morning?

Still here.

259 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 5:59:31am

re: #252 bbuddha

re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, even if she was to go home, a judge there could have put her in protective custody. And I think she met the preacher guy through Facebook or something.

Yup, she found the=is Christian group on Facebook, what kind of inluence do they have on her.
Honor killing is definitely a Muslim thing, but not all Muslim fathers believe in it. She is an apostate, but that doesn't prove that pops wants to kill her.
She claims that her father punched her while driving. The government has to be very careful, is she an imppessionable teenager , or are her fears founded?

260 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:01:24am

re: #257 Irish Rose

I don't often agree with Pamela because I tend to think she's a nutcase, but she is right on this one. The girl should not be forced to return home if she has any reasonable fear that her life might be in danger.

Our courts are simply not prepared for legislation in these matters and moving slowly on a final decision is the right thing to do.

I do however, think that it's important to take a hard look at the "pastor" who persuaded her to leave her family and harbored her. This is not the first time that he has done this sort of thing, and his integrity and motives IMO less than pure and rather suspect.

Yeah, you're right on, the kids safety is most important, but I would really want a good look at this pastor.

261 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:01:54am

re: #250 opnion

Illinois has hit double digit unemployment. Illinois is considered a bellweather, so this can't be good

And I likely will be an addition to that number. Word at work is that our Dept. is being shut down. Just waiting on the official notification.

Oh well, I can probably get hired on as a quarterback for the Vikings. They have shown that they will hire any aging retiree with a bad right shoulder as QB.

262 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:02:14am

re: #248 opnion

Rifqa Barry, the 17 year old convert to Christianiy from Islam is being granted foster homeing in Florida until things get sorted out.
She says that she left home because she fears an honor killing. Her parents say that they don not believe in that practice. Any thoughts?

When I was a teenager I would not have run away without a reason. Things weren't always pleasant, but had no reason to fear for my life. Honor killing has happened here as we have all learned. More common in Europe.

Remember Fathima

263 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:02:16am

re: #259 opnion

The biggest problem in dealing with Muslims (broad brush) is that you can't believe their soothing words. Their religion deems it OK to lie to non muslims
/personal experience

264 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:03:13am

re: #257 Irish Rose

re: #259 opnion

The problem is who to believe. We've seen honor killings and we've seen bad pastors.

265 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:03:24am

re: #237 Killian Bundy

U.S. National Debt Clock

Obama's aiming to double it. Add $2.5+ trillion for health care "reform" and cap & trade.

/this is easily the most serious threat to this country that I've seen in my lifetime

just a bit of miscalculation, nothing calculating or intentional...BO and the dems would not damage the economy

266 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:07:31am

re: #261 3 wood

And I likely will be an addition to that number. Word at work is that our Dept. is being shut down. Just waiting on the official notification.

Oh well, I can probably get hired on as a quarterback for the Vikings. They have shown that they will hire any aging retiree with a bad right shoulder as QB.


I am sorry to hear that. I was with a tech company some years back that got sold. We were let go & the job hunt was not pretty.
It was a shock, since we were led to believe that we would be left in tact. I would advise you to start networking now, so that if things go bad, you have a head start. I wish that I would have had a heads up.

267 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:08:05am

re: #265 albusteve

just a bit of miscalculation, nothing calculating or intentional...BO and the dems would not damage the economy

The increase to the deficit announced yesterday has effectively killed the public option, I think.

There is no way they can get the votes now to add tothe deficit that much.

But watch for the MSM to try to save their Messiah. I bet you start seeing stories downplaying the impact of a huge deficit, and trying to minimize how bad unemployment is.

268 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:08:15am

re: #260 opnion

Yeah, you're right on, the kids safety is most important, but I would really want a good look at this pastor.

The Global Revolution Church

Apparently this isn't the first time that Blake Lorenz has done this type of thing.

269 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:08:21am

re: #261 3 wood

And I likely will be an addition to that number. Word at work is that our Dept. is being shut down. Just waiting on the official notification.

Oh well, I can probably get hired on as a quarterback for the Vikings. They have shown that they will hire any aging retiree with a bad right shoulder as QB.

If you can pitch and are left handed teams will throw money at you.

270 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:10:44am

re: #267 3 wood

The increase to the deficit announced yesterday has effectively killed the public option, I think.

There is no way they can get the votes now to add tothe deficit that much.

But watch for the MSM to try to save their Messiah. I bet you start seeing stories downplaying the impact of a huge deficit, and trying to minimize how bad unemployment is.

Isn't it funny how when the Democrats can't unite behind this awful bill, the MSM talks about how lack of cooperation by Republicans is killing health care insurance reform.

271 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:10:52am

re: #266 opnion

I am sorry to hear that. I was with a tech company some years back that got sold. We were let go & the job hunt was not pretty.
It was a shock, since we were led to believe that we would be left in tact. I would advise you to start networking now, so that if things go bad, you have a head start. I wish that I would have had a heads up.

Already have been. I'll be OK, I have a pension coming in from my previous career. I'm actually working on starting up my own business, and along with adjunct teaching should do alright.

I'm tired of working for other people and having my career diverted cause those other people make a bad decision and they have to cut the budget to make up the difference.

272 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:11:32am

re: #262 midwestgak

re: #263 bbuddha

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar

There are parental rights here, but you have to take the young girl seriously, unless things are proven otherwise.
The threat that she feels is not loss of driving priveleges, but her very life.
I hope that the father gets really vetted. He may be very moderate , but maybe not.

273 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:12:06am

re: #269 soxfan4life

If you can pitch and are left handed teams will throw money at you.

Same for being a left handed catcher.

274 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:12:37am

re: #267 3 wood

The increase to the deficit announced yesterday has effectively killed the public option, I think.

There is no way they can get the votes now to add tothe deficit that much.

But watch for the MSM to try to save their Messiah. I bet you start seeing stories downplaying the impact of a huge deficit, and trying to minimize how bad unemployment is.

the MSM is the key to the whole charade as I see it...and they are already feeling the stretch...such a massive cover to sustain just does not seem possible to me...I have believed from day one BO will trash the economy to put his reforms in place

275 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:13:40am

re: #270 soxfan4life

Isn't it funny how when the Democrats can't unite behind this awful bill, the MSM talks about how lack of cooperation by Republicans is killing health care insurance reform.

It's all the MSM knows how to do. Many of them used to work in lefty political campaigns.

We certainly can't expect them to, well, report the facts. It's all a shill game to them.

276 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:13:56am

re: #268 Irish Rose

The Global Revolution Church

Apparently this isn't the first time that Blake Lorenz has done this type of thing.

Rose, this Pastor no doubt has real influence on her, but I would be more interested in pops.
My the way, you'll like this, we have a new puppy, Brady Buru Quinn.

277 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:14:11am

re: #273 3 wood

Same for being a left handed catcher.

I played catcher as a kid and left handed mitts weren't cheap, so I caught with a regular glove. Ouch.

278 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:14:27am
I think I can safely say that nobody understands quantum mechanics.

— Richard Feynman


The price paid for ignoring the Turtle Stack!

Morning Honcos!

This pot of coffee fresh?

279 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:15:15am

re: #274 albusteve

I have believed from day one BO will trash the economy to put his reforms in place

Of course, I am convinced that they do not care one iota for trying to improve the economy, it's all about installing their left wing, big government agenda.

280 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:15:26am

re: #276 opnion

Rose, this Pastor no doubt has real influence on her, but I would be more interested in pops.
My the way, you'll like this, we have a new puppy, Brady Buru Quinn.

Cute name. What breed?

281 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:15:54am

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

I played catcher as a kid and left handed mitts weren't cheap, so I caught with a regular glove. Ouch.

You had gloves? You must have come from the rich side of town!

;-)

282 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:16:56am

re: #279 3 wood

Of course, I am convinced that they do not care one iota for trying to improve the economy, it's all about installing their left wing, big government agenda.

DING!

With Obama increases we already are at the government consuming 45% of the GDP, add health care and it will be over 50%.

283 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:17:17am

re: #271 3 wood

Already have been. I'll be OK, I have a pension coming in from my previous career. I'm actually working on starting up my own business, and along with adjunct teaching should do alright.

I'm tired of working for other people and having my career diverted cause those other people make a bad decision and they have to cut the budget to make up the difference.

Interesting that you say that. I am meeting with several other people in a couple of weeks to explore our own business, rather late in life.
I really don't want to retire for quite a while, but I have spent my career making money for someone else & they walk away with a sack of cash.

284 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:17:34am

re: #281 jcm

You had gloves? You must have come from the rich side of town!

;-)

Actually, it was an empty cereal box I stole from someones garbage.
/

285 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:17:59am

re: #272 opnion

re: #263 bbuddha

re: #264 Cannadian Club Akbar

There are parental rights here, but you have to take the young girl seriously, unless things are proven otherwise.
The threat that she feels is not loss of driving priveleges, but her very life.
I hope that the father gets really vetted. He may be very moderate , but maybe not.

Not just the father. The entire family, male and female.
The family attends a mosque that has a reputation for extremism.

The girl states that going back home would be a death sentence.
I believe her.

286 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:18:06am

George Will...

Do they hope that state capitalism will be irreversible -- that wherever government has asserted the primacy of politics, the primacy will be permanent?

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

287 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:18:23am

morning lizards.

From the These People Make Me Puke We should Deport Them;

Get a load of Alexandra Fuller, Brit expat living in the wild nether reaches of the U.S.

You can never really know what the future holds. My eldest daughter was born in Africa. When she started school in Wyoming she insisted she was black. On Martin Luther King Day she stood at the front of the classroom with the only African-American student in her grade. She’s 16 now and very intolerant of the surface stuff that interests a lot of Americans.
[ ]
President Obama shifted how we define ourselves. He’s that rare leader that transcends race and gender. He’s in it for the infinite. We have the opportunity to change limiting attitudes. I think Obama’s candidacy drew poison to the surface of US society. A volatile minority’s identity is threatened by Obama’s obvious abilities.
[ ]
But after 15 years of living in the US I realise that the American Dream is a myth. Americans have yet to reconcile themselves with the fact that people are not born equal. I don’t think capitalism and democracy are easy bedfellows.
(translation: I've failed so it's all vapor)

288 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:18:41am

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

I played catcher as a kid and left handed mitts weren't cheap, so I caught with a regular glove. Ouch.

When I played at catcher in college I used my 1st basemen's mitt. It was legal then (infielder's mitt) and I found it more easy to pick up pitches in the dirt.

289 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:18:53am

re: #277 Cannadian Club Akbar

I played catcher as a kid and left handed mitts weren't cheap, so I caught with a regular glove. Ouch.

IIRC the deckers were great for backstopping but lousy for playing other positions.

290 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:19:24am

re: #280 midwestgak

Cute name. What breed?

He is a Portuguese water dog & belongs to my College attending daughter.
That of Course means that I clean the yard & my wife & I take care of him, since she is at school.

291 3 wood  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:19:32am

Got to run, later.

292 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:20:08am

re: #287 wahabicorridor

morning lizards.

From the These People Make Me Puke We should Deport Them;

Get a load of Alexandra Fuller, Brit expat living in the wild nether reaches of the U.S.

Then why is she still here if it's so g-damn awful?

293 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:21:12am

re: #285 Irish Rose

Not just the father. The entire family, male and female.
The family attends a mosque that has a reputation for extremism.

The girl states that going back home would be a death sentence.
I believe her.

An extremist mosque! I didn't know that, game, set , match, case closed.
Emancipate the girl & give her protection with an order of protection

294 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:21:13am

re: #282 jcm

With Obama increases we already are at the government consuming 45% of the GDP, add health care and it will be over 50%.

/unless we turn this trend around quickly, it's only a matter of time before the U.S. loses its AAA credit rating, defaults on its debt, and spirals into economic collapse

295 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:22:14am

re: #292 jcm

Then why is she still here if it's so g-damn awful?

The same reason Alec Baldwin did leave when Bush was elected?

296 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:22:21am

re: #285 Irish Rose

That said however, I do think that Pamela is exploiting this story for the headlines and setting herself up publicly as some kind of "champion of justice". She may be right on the issue, but IMO she's still a shameless self-promoter who only cares about Muslim women if they are willing to assimilate into western society or convert. If they don't, she has just as much contempt for them as she does for the men.

I don't have a lot of respect for that.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:22:55am

re: #292 jcm

Then why is she still here if it's so g-damn awful?


Well, you must remember all the Hollywood peeps who threatened to leave if Bush was reelected in '04. They never did.

298 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:23:03am

re: #292 jcm

Then why is she still here if it's so g-damn awful?

She needs something to feel superior to. She spent a lot of time in Zimbabwe but things there - um - didn't work out so well.

299 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:23:23am

re: #262 midwestgak

When I was a teenager I would not have run away without a reason. Things weren't always pleasant, but had no reason to fear for my life. Honor killing has happened here as we have all learned. More common in Europe.

Remember Fathima


The duty here is to protect the kid.

300 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:24:31am

re: #295 midwestgak

The same reason Alec Baldwin diddidn't leave when Bush was elected?

Negatives make such a big difference. arg

301 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:24:42am

re: #287 wahabicorridor

She really should move back to England where she'll be happy. As for Barack Obama, he was elected President of the United States with overwhelming Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress, proving that race no longer matters for American voters.

Obama will stand or fall on his own merits, regardless of his race. I didn't support him, but race was irrelevant to my calculations.

302 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:24:51am

re: #295 midwestgak

The same reason Alec Baldwin did leave when Bush was elected?

Bill Whittle in one of essay asked a simple question.

Where are the rafts heading?

Meaning given a chance to go anywhere where would most people in the world go?

303 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:25:38am
The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened... I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.


Norman Mattoon Thomas, 1944, socialist,
pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate
of the Socialist Party of America

304 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:26:06am

re: #298 wahabicorridor

She needs something to feel superior to. She spent a lot of time in Zimbabwe but things there - um - didn't work out so well.

Chompskitus. Since American isn't perfect, it's not better than anyplace else.

305 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:27:33am

re: #303 wahabicorridor

The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of "liberalism," they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened... I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.

Norman Mattoon Thomas, 1944, socialist,
pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate
of the Socialist Party of America

Reagan used that in his Time for Choosing Speech.

306 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:27:49am

re: #301 quickjustice

She really should move back to England where she'll be happy. As for Barack Obama, he was elected President of the United States with overwhelming Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress, proving that race no longer matters for American voters.

Obama will stand or fall on his own merits, regardless of his race. I didn't support him, but race was irrelevant to my calculations.

Of all the things that I don't like about Obama, race is not one of them
Basically race is a straw man that the Dems use to try to deflect criticism. By the way, he can't bowl or throw a baseball, that right there disqualifies him for us less enlightened types.

307 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:28:19am

[Link: www.allamericanpatriots.com...]

keep a close eye on this bill...it will determine what happens to the TARP companies...GM, AIG etc

308 CommonCents  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:28:27am

re: #276 opnion

Rose, this Pastor no doubt has real influence on her, but I would be more interested in pops.
My the way, you'll like this, we have a new puppy, Brady Buru Quinn.

Browns fan or Notre Dame?

309 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:29:07am

re: #301 quickjustice

I didn't support him, but race was irrelevant to my calculations.

But not to Ms. Fuller's. When your lily-white kid tries to gain moral superiority by claiming she's black, and then is characterized by the mother her raised her as beiing "very intolerant of the surface stuff that interests a lot of Americans." the calculus is brazenly evident.

310 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:29:33am

re: #296 Irish Rose

"Pamela's" opinion doesn't matter. And as for "assimilation", I think it is what keeps America one nation. If we aren't assimilating our immigrants, we are failing them and ourselves.

311 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:30:30am

re: #296 Irish Rose

That said however, I do think that Pamela is exploiting this story for the headlines and setting herself up publicly as some kind of "champion of justice". She may be right on the issue, but IMO she's still a shameless self-promoter who only cares about Muslim women if they are willing to assimilate into western society or convert. If they don't, she has just as much contempt for them as she does for the men.

I don't have a lot of respect for that.

Pamela or no Pamela, Muslim or not, man or woman - any immigrant from any medieval, undemocratic, violent, hate-filled culture must leave their stinking baggage behind if they wish to be accepted in their new chosen country.

312 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:30:52am

re: #308 CommonCents

Browns fan or Notre Dame?

Notre Dame, but actually my daughter is more of a Brady Quinn fan in general , as are her friends. He is a good looking kid.
The Boru , I'm sure that you have guessed is for Brian Buru.

313 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:30:56am

re: #300 midwestgak

I took it for being facetious :-)

314 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:31:02am

re: #305 jcm

oh, very cool, jcm, thanks!

315 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:31:06am

Morning, everyone. Quick drive-by posting (unless my sisters take longer to get back than I expect). We're all in Indiana, gearing up to clean out Dad's house. This is going to be a nasty business, I must say. The refrigerator is going to be hauled away unopened; we've ordered a dumpster and I really don't know how much we're going to be able to salvage. Thankfully, we have electricity and water, so the air conditioner is going to be turned on ASAP!

If you feel so inclined, prayers for a multiplication of our efforts (so instead of this taking two weeks, we can do it in about four days) would be wonderful.

316 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:33:19am

re: #310 quickjustice

"Pamela's" opinion doesn't matter. And as for "assimilation", I think it is what keeps America one nation. If we aren't assimilating our immigrants, we are failing them and ourselves.

I take your point, but one must want assimilation to be assimilated.
It is an unfortunate fact that there is some resistance.

317 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:33:27am

Egads, I broke the system.

318 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:33:39am

re: #276 opnion

Rose, this Pastor no doubt has real influence on her, but I would be more interested in pops.
My the way, you'll like this, we have a new puppy, Brady Buru Quinn.

Heh. Very cool :).

My real parents are both Irish but I never knew them. I did have my bloodline traced some years back, and it seems that I'm actually a direct descendant of Brian mac Cennétig. Probably why I'm such a feisty, stubborn, sharp-tongued hardass.

What kind of puppy didja get?

319 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:33:52am

re: #309 wahabicorridor

It's really mental illness when a white child claims to be black. It also suggests that child abuse is lurking here somewhere. It reminds me of parents who raise their kids to worship Hitler. The same sort of pathology.

She's clearly an unfit mother, and she's exposing that publicly. I hope someone notifies the authorities.

320 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:33:52am

Oh, maybe not; opnion is still able to post.

321 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:34:07am

re: #307 albusteve

[Link: www.allamericanpatriots.com...]

keep a close eye on this bill...it will determine what happens to the TARP companies...GM, AIG etc

I just looked that up on Thomas. Looks like it's stalled in committee - only 5 cosponsors

322 CommonCents  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:34:23am

re: #305 jcm

Greatest clip of all time. I wish we could get a Republican that could deliver like that.

323 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:34:37am

racism...alive and well, with ah...blacks!


[Link: www.nypost.com...]

324 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:35:02am

re: #313 bbuddha

I took it for being facetious :-)



I like your take on it. LOL.

325 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:35:39am

Good morning y'all - from a warm (76 degrees going up to 86 degrees) cloudy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone and who is LGF "reader" Keith G - top of page, Charles credits him with compiling the best of our health care questions - did a search and didn't find any comments by him?

326 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:35:57am

re: #316 opnion

Resistance is futile! Or as our grandparents used to say, "How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, once they've seen Paree!"

327 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:36:00am

re: #316 opnion

I take your point, but one must want assimilation to be assimilated.
It is an unfortunate fact that there is some resistance.

You have to ask, why did they come here? It's pretty ballsy (not in a good way) to move to a country and then try to make them into what you left.

328 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:36:17am

re: #315 vxbush

Morning, everyone. Quick drive-by posting (unless my sisters take longer to get back than I expect). We're all in Indiana, gearing up to clean out Dad's house. This is going to be a nasty business, I must say. The refrigerator is going to be hauled away unopened; we've ordered a dumpster and I really don't know how much we're going to be able to salvage. Thankfully, we have electricity and water, so the air conditioner is going to be turned on ASAP!

If you feel so inclined, prayers for a multiplication of our efforts (so instead of this taking two weeks, we can do it in about four days) would be wonderful.

I had to do that when my mom passed away... ugh.
Take frequent food/drink breaks and head off any temper flares with humor, my advice to you.

329 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:36:37am

re: #325 realwest

Good morning, real.

330 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:36:41am

re: #323 albusteve

racism...alive and well, with ah...blacks!

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

What "black media outlets" is he referring to in that story? What media entity is considered "black"? (Besides BET, but that's not a news company, in theory.)

331 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:37:07am

Senator J. William Fullbright.
Speech given at Stanford in 1961
re: #322 CommonCents

Greatest clip of all time. I wish we could get a Republican that could deliver like that.


Up date the budget numbers. That speech still is valid today.

332 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:37:30am

re: #321 wahabicorridor

I just looked that up on Thomas. Looks like it's stalled in committee - only 5 cosponsors

not good...this should have been included in the TARP legislation...why wasn't it?

333 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:37:40am

re: #328 Irish Rose

I had to do that when my mom passed away... ugh.
Take frequent food/drink breaks and head off any temper flares with humor, my advice to you.

Thanks for the advice. My only issue right now is that I'm the type of person who is ready to get going at 8:00, and the oldest is the one who isn't ready to go until 11:00. So I'm sitting here, twiddling my thumbs while the morning disappears and we waste valuable time.

334 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:38:15am

re: #318 Irish Rose

re: #276 opnion


Heh. Very cool :).

My real parents are both Irish but I never knew them. I did have my bloodline traced some years back, and it seems that I'm actually a direct descendant of Brian mac Cennétig. Probably why I'm such a feisty, stubborn, sharp-tongued hardass.

What kind of puppy didja get?

Brady,is a Portuguese Water Dog, actually the second that we have had.
A classic Water dog is black with white markings. He is mostly white with black markings, real cute pup.
I had forgotten how much energy puppies have. This guy is going to be a real good frisbee dog.

335 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:38:44am

re: #325 realwest

Good morning y'all - from a warm (76 degrees going up to 86 degrees) cloudy and overcast Charlotte!

Morning, Real. I'm going to give the Shultz answer: I. Know. Nothing.

336 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:38:52am

Minerva was the goddess of wisdom, but on one occasion she did a very foolish thing; she entered into competition with Juno and Venus for the prize of beauty.

It happened thus: At the nuptials of Peleus and Thetis, all the gods were invited, with the exception of Eris, or Discord. Enraged at her exclusion, the goddess threw a golden apple among the guests with the inscription, "For the most beautiful." Thereupon Juno, Venus, and Minerva each claimed the apple.

Jupiter, not willing to decide in so delicate a matter, sent the goddesses to Mount Ida, where the beautiful shepherd Paris was tending his flocks, and to him was committed the decision. The goddesses accordingly appeared before him. Juno promised him power and riches, Minerva glory and renown in war, and Venus the fairest of women for his wife, each attempting to bias his decision in her own favor.

Paris decided in favor of Venus and gave her the golden apple, thus making the two other goddesses his enemies. Under the protection of Venus, Paris sailed to Greece, and was hospitably received by Menelaus, the king of Sparta. Now Helen, the wife of Menelaus, was the very woman whom Venus had destined for Paris, the fairest of her sex. She had been sought as a bride by numerous suitors, and before her decision was made known, they all, at the suggestion of Ulysses (one of their number) took an oath that they would defend her from all injury and avenge her cause if necessary. She chose Menelaus, and was living with him happily when Paris became their guest. Paris, aided by Venus, persuaded her to elope with him, and carried her to Troy, whence arose the famous Trojan war, the theme of the greatest poems of antiquity, those of Homer and Virgil.

Only a maladjusted "angry atheist" could find folly in this.

337 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:39:00am

re: #331 jcm

One of the old Democrat hawks. They don't exist anymore. Bill Clinton's mentor. A hawk on foreign policy, and a socialist at home.

338 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:39:23am

re: #329 Irish Rose
Good morning to you Rose! How are ya today?

339 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:39:42am

re: #325 realwest
Good Morning. Sounds like we'll be having very similar weather today. When I woke up the dew point matched the temp YUCK, but the humidity is falling a bit

340 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:40:08am

re: #326 quickjustice

Resistance is futile! Or as our grandparents used to say, "How ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, once they've seen Paree!"

Yeah, younger generations do want to be part of the prevailing culture.
I see young Muslim women with the head scarf, but with skin tight jeans & make up.

341 lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:40:16am

Morning all.
Is President Wee-Wee on vacation yet? God I hope so.

I was reading the Drudge stories and a few others about the UK releasing that murdering terrorist in exchange for oil/trade deals. Sounded like a conspiracy theory until it started making sense. Anyone else have a take on that?

342 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:40:28am

re: #338 realwest

Good morning to you Rose! How are ya today?

Still here.

343 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:40:40am

President wee wee


PWW

344 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:41:13am

re: #341 lincolntf

Morning all.
Is President Wee-Wee on vacation yet? God I hope so.

I was reading the Drudge stories and a few others about the UK releasing that murdering terrorist in exchange for oil/trade deals. Sounded like a conspiracy theory until it started making sense. Anyone else have a take on that?

Have you been on the lookout for the black helicopters?

/

345 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:41:27am

re: #333 vxbush

We'll try to be good company till the rest are ready to go.

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:41:50am

re: #343 Ojoe

President wee wee


PWW

I like it. But he is pissing on our legs and calling it rain.

347 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:42:13am

re: #319 quickjustice

She's clearly an unfit mother,

Well, there may be some hope. Her son sounds like he might have a clue.

My 11-year-old son wants to be president of the US. He was born in the US and he’s very attached to the place. His political beliefs more closely resemble those of his country-club-going American grandparents than my views. Our differences were brought out during a family trip to Ellis Island. I got very emotional thinking about the people who had fled their lands to seek a new life in the US. Embarrassed by my tears, my son reminded me that his American ancestors were yacht people, not boat people, and that I had arrived on a commercial aeroplane.

348 CommonCents  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:42:18am

re: #337 quickjustice

One of the old Democrat hawks. They don't exist anymore. Bill Clinton's mentor. A hawk on foreign policy, and a socialist at home.

He must not have been a very good teacher. Didn't Bill run off to Canada.

349 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:42:31am

re: #335 vxbush
Hey {vxbush} What. Do. You. Mean. And why are we putting periods after one word?!

350 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:42:36am

re: #333 vxbush

Thanks for the advice. My only issue right now is that I'm the type of person who is ready to get going at 8:00, and the oldest is the one who isn't ready to go until 11:00. So I'm sitting here, twiddling my thumbs while the morning disappears and we waste valuable time.

There's always one in the bunch who insists on holding things up
You'll get it all done, try to not let it get to ya.

351 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:42:41am

re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar

Power cannot exist if ridiculed.

PWW it is.

352 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:43:03am

re: #316 opnion

I take your point, but one must want assimilation to be assimilated.
It is an unfortunate fact that there is some resistance.

This is a real threat in Europe. And coming to the US. Ask American citizens in some parts of Michigan.

Islam European Conquest

"Islamic lands that were occupied by the enemies will once again become Islamic...We proclaim that we will conquer Rome, like Constantinople was conquered once, and as it will be conquered again."
- Ali Al-Faqir, the Jordanian Minister for Religious Endowment
Britain, birthplace of parliamentary democracy, has fallen to Islam. Oxford, once home to the likes of C.S. Lewis, now houses a giant Eastern Islamic Studies Center. If this were the only Islamic addition to Oxford, the mood would be less somber, but when Oxford citizens are forced to awake every morning to the Muslim call to prayer with the full consent of the Church of England, nothing short of conquest has taken place.

Britain's Muslim demographic is now so dominant that the British government recently began to allow Islamic civil and religious law, known as Sharia, to be enforced along side British law.

But if religious tolerance is good, why is this a problem? Simple-this is not an issue of religious liberty. Islam is not designed to co-exist with western civilization. It is designed to conquer it.

353 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:43:05am

re: #344 vxbush

Have you been on the lookout for the black helicopters?

/

The Truth About Black Helicopters!

354 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:43:58am

re: #345 bbuddha

We'll try to be good company till the rest are ready to go.

You're awesome. They're back and they're trying to get the teenagers moving. Cattle prods may be brought out.

355 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:44:22am

NM, corruption capital of the west...they used to say you get your degree in Illinois and your PhD in New Mexico...it never ends, and it's always democrats


[Link: online.wsj.com...]

356 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:45:03am

re: #341 lincolntf

Morning all.
Is President Wee-Wee on vacation yet? God I hope so.

I was reading the Drudge stories and a few others about the UK releasing that murdering terrorist in exchange for oil/trade deals. Sounded like a conspiracy theory until it started making sense. Anyone else have a take on that?

There's a bribe SOMEWHERE - that's all I know.

357 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:45:06am

re: #339 bbuddha
Hi there bbuddha! Well our humidity is high now and rising - I expect it's the effect of Bill - supposed to get a LOT of rain today!

358 vxbush  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:45:37am

re: #349 realwest

Hey {vxbush} What. Do. You. Mean. And why are we putting periods after one word?!

You know, Sargeant Schultz from Hogan Heroes? "I know NUTH-ING!" That's my response to your question about who the question aggregator is.

359 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:46:12am

re: #352 midwestgak

This is a real threat in Europe. And coming to the US. Ask American citizens in some parts of Michigan.

Yes, and our governor is working hard to bring the Gitmo detainees to our prisons here.

Bad idea.

360 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:46:31am

re: #354 vxbush

LOL Try cans of Monster, teens love it and it makes them want to move.

361 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:47:08am

re: #342 Irish Rose

Still here.


Then there's still hope! (unless by "here" you mean Michigan in which case there isn't much hope left!).

362 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:47:24am

re: #352 midwestgak

This is a real threat in Europe. And coming to the US. Ask American citizens in some parts of Michigan.

Islam European Conquest

"Islamic lands that were occupied by the enemies will once again become Islamic...We proclaim that we will conquer Rome, like Constantinople was conquered once, and as it will be conquered again."
- Ali Al-Faqir, the Jordanian Minister for Religious Endowment
Britain, birthplace of parliamentary democracy, has fallen to Islam. Oxford, once home to the likes of C.S. Lewis, now houses a giant Eastern Islamic Studies Center. If this were the only Islamic addition to Oxford, the mood would be less somber, but when Oxford citizens are forced to awake every morning to the Muslim call to prayer with the full consent of the Church of England, nothing short of conquest has taken place.

Britain's Muslim demographic is now so dominant that the British government recently began to allow Islamic civil and religious law, known as Sharia, to be enforced along side British law.

But if religious tolerance is good, why is this a problem? Simple-this is not an issue of religious liberty. Islam is not designed to co-exist with western civilization. It is designed to conquer it.



people won't believe that...too many apologists in America, and of course we have the 1st they will hide behind, just like the Neo Nazis do

363 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:47:28am

Obama calls for 'honest debate' on health care

President Barack Obama is challenging his critics on a national health care overhaul, accusing them of making "phony claims" about the legislation.

Okay, you first.

FACT CHECK: White House ignores health concession

CLAIM: "I challenge you guys all to go back and see what we've said about this over the course of many, many, many, many months, and you'll find a boring consistency to our rhetoric," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters.
THE FACTS: During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama said a new public plan should offer comprehensive insurance similar to that available to federal employees.
In the first half of the year, Obama said repeatedly in speeches, weekly radio and Internet addresses and town halls that he wants a health care overhaul that has a taxpayer-funded public health insurance option. He has said the plan would compete with private insurance to keep costs down.
364 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:48:47am

re: #347 wahabicorridor
Good morning {wahabi} How are you today?

365 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:49:03am

re: #361 realwest

Then there's still hope! (unless by "here" you mean Michigan in which case there isn't much hope left!).

I did mention to Charles that I think an option to "ignore" other lizards would be very beneficial here at LGF. Why put up with personal attacks when you can just put someone on auto?

366 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:49:04am

re: #363 jcm

Why bring up those pesky fact things?
/

367 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:49:14am

re: #357 realwest
Probably, he'll be of the coast here Sunday, if the projections hold. during Hurrican season I'm happy to be in a state that very rarely gets direct hits.

368 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:49:46am

re: #366 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why bring up those pesky fact things?
/

What can I say? I'm all wee wee'd up!

369 CommonCents  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:49:53am

re: #361 realwest

Then there's still hope! (unless by "here" you mean Michigan in which case there isn't much hope left!).

Hey! There's always hope. Here on the west side, we're going to be the American 1/2 of the state. If we could con Canada into taking Wayne county MI would be red'er than Texas.

370 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:50:05am

PWW

371 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:50:16am

re: #352 midwestgak

This is a real threat in Europe

They're doing it to themselves.

Many Lloyds TSB customers are being hit with charges of up to £200 a month if they go into the red - while Muslims who use the bank are only being charged £15.
The part-nationalised bank has been accused of religious discrimination over the disparity between overdraft charges on its standard current account and its Islamic account.
The Islamic account was set up by the high street bank to attract Muslim customers by allowing them to keep faithful to their religion.

372 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:50:58am

re: #364 realwest

Good morning {wahabi} How are you today?

hi ya real! Awake. Kinda. I think. How be you?

373 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:51:20am

Better like this ?

Pww

or


Pww

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:52:17am

re: #373 Ojoe

Better like this ?

Pww

or


Pww

Pww.

375 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:52:36am

New Official Initials:

Pww

376 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:52:43am

re: #358 vxbush
Ah! Must. Go. Get. More. Coffee.
BBIAM.

377 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:53:59am

re: #365 Irish Rose
Heck, I see some posters I just keep on scrollin' by - don't need an ignore button to do that!

378 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:54:00am

Palin, everybody!

I mean, mornin', Pythons!

Er, um...back to bed.

379 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:55:00am

Pww

Practice run.

380 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:55:10am

Pww
___U___

381 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:55:23am

re: #378 Cato the Elder

Palin, everybody!

I mean, mornin', Pythons!

Er, um...back to bed.

I seriously beginning to think your really David Letterman.

382 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:56:05am

re: #378 Cato the Elder

Palin, everybody!

I mean, mornin', Pythons!

Er, um...back to bed.

Did your Palin alarm clock work?

383 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:56:14am

Back Later.

384 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:56:27am

re: #376 realwest

Ah! Must. Go. Get. More. Coffee.
BBIAM.

Hey Real, how are you feeling today?

385 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:57:11am

re: #377 realwest

Heck, I see some posters I just keep on scrollin' by - don't need an ignore button to do that!

I had a feature like that installed on a site that I used to admin. It infuriates trolls, flamers and people who just generally like to stir up shit. You can set it so that troublemakers and disrupters can see their own comments, but nobody else can. You can also allow users to filter out the comments of specific individuals.

Great tool for keeping the peace.

386 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:57:12am

the donk dirt and filth is gonna stick to Pelosi...pretty stinky swamp...ethics issues in 2010

[Link: www.time.com...]

387 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:58:16am

re: #385 Irish Rose

I had a feature like that installed on a site that I used to admin. It infuriates trolls, flamers and people who just generally like to stir up shit. You can set it so that troublemakers and disrupters can see their own comments, but nobody else can. You can also allow users to filter out the comments of specific individuals.

Great tool for keeping the peace.

I seem to recall that zombie discovered one of the San Fran newspapers was doing that and didn't much like being outed.

heh.

388 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 6:58:46am

re: #387 wahabicorridor

I seem to recall that zombie discovered one of the San Fran newspapers was doing that and didn't much like being outed.

heh.

I remember that.

389 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:00:17am

I have to say that from an admin perspective, it was absolutely hilarious for trolls and flamers to spin themselves into a foaming frenzy and finally stomp off in a rage because they weren't getting any responses.

390 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:00:27am

re: #382 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did your Palin alarm clock work?

Not the first night. It kept me from sleeping at all out of concern for the fate of the Republic. Those eyes, those eyes, boring into me all night with all the intelligence of two 10-watt light bulbs...

But last night I figured out to turn off the nightlight so I couldn't see 'em.

Then this morning she woke me up with that trademark trashy drone, screaming, "It's Sarahcuda time, you betcha!" Rolled out of bed, drenched in sweat, and headed for the shower.

Still feeling dirty.

391 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:01:35am

re: #390 Cato the Elder

lol, you're horrible ;).

392 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:01:41am

re: #384 opnion
Hi opnion! I'm doing ok, trying desperately to stay awake her and NOT doing a very good job of it - 3rd mug of coffee - mus be the weather, cause I selpt ok last nigh.
Ho's about yourownself? How's by you?

393 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:02:34am

re: #390 Cato the Elder

That is funny.

394 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:02:57am

jcm...you might like this link...kinda cool

[Link: www.time.com...]

395 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:03:27am

re: #389 Irish Rose

I have to say that from an admin perspective, it was absolutely hilarious for trolls and flamers to spin themselves into a foaming frenzy and finally stomp off in a rage because they weren't getting any responses.


Now THAT sounds like FUN! Hey Rose, e-mail Charles and ask him again!

396 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:04:12am

re: #395 realwest

Now THAT sounds like FUN! Hey Rose, e-mail Charles and ask him again!

Once is enough.

397 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:04:57am

re: #392 realwest

Hi opnion! I'm doing ok, trying desperately to stay awake her and NOT doing a very good job of it - 3rd mug of coffee - mus be the weather, cause I selpt ok last nigh.
Ho's about yourownself? How's by you?

Glad to hear it. I am having fantasies about being in the Carolinas at Myrtle Beach. We just could not get away this Summer.
I really like that area & driving through the Smokies is a kick.
I guess with the weather coming in, not a good time to be on the Coast.

398 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:05:48am

re: #394 albusteve

jcm...you might like this link...kinda cool

[Link: www.time.com...]

Very nice, Tear Down This Wall made the top ten, Patrick Henry, Churchill, Lincoln.

399 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:07:15am

Obama now stepping it back, "The Public Option is just one idea"
Hmmm, when did it cease being essential? The President is sounding childish.

400 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:07:27am

re: #394 albusteve
Good morning Steve! Hey, didja notice othat on the right side of your linked page, Time has four of the Century's greatest speaches ...and they were all from last century?!? Should we tell 'em ya think?!

401 aggieann  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:08:33am

This is a serious question (for I am a serious Lizard). : )

What does wee-wee even MEAN? Have ANY of you ever heard this before?

402 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:09:42am

re: #400 realwest

Good morning Steve! Hey, didja notice othat on the right side of your linked page, Time has four of the Century's greatest speaches ...and they were all from last century?!? Should we tell 'em ya think?!

Do you mean to tell me that Obamas "Wee Weed Up" speech is not in the top 10? Outrage?

403 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:09:52am

re: #401 aggieann

This is a serious question (for I am a serious Lizard). : )

What does wee-wee even MEAN? Have ANY of you ever heard this before?

Well children usually mean they have to pee if they use the term.

404 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:10:33am

re: #401 aggieann

This is a serious question (for I am a serious Lizard). : )

What does wee-wee even MEAN? Have ANY of you ever heard this before?

According to Robert Gibbs it means bedwetters.

405 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:10:41am

re: #401 aggieann

This is a serious question (for I am a serious Lizard). : )

What does wee-wee even MEAN? Have ANY of you ever heard this before?

Gibbs explains...

406 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:10:57am

re: #401 aggieann

This is a serious question (for I am a serious Lizard). : )

What does wee-wee even MEAN? Have ANY of you ever heard this before?

Only when my sister was potty-training her kids

407 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:11:11am

nice story about a Florida Blue Dog and how he's handling health reform

[Link: www.politico.com...]

408 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:11:26am

re: #399 opnion

Obama now stepping it back, "The Public Option is just one idea"
Hmmm, when did it cease being essential? The President is sounding childish.

Nah, he just sounds like the lying POS he is.

409 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:13:19am

re: #400 realwest

Good morning Steve! Hey, didja notice othat on the right side of your linked page, Time has four of the Century's greatest speaches ...and they were all from last century?!? Should we tell 'em ya think?!

morning...hadn't noticed...good catch..I might have trouble day to day but I'm pretty sure which century it is!

410 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:13:31am

re: #405 jcm
Good morning jcm! Say, does Gibbs get paid a salary to do what he does?!
And if so, do y'all know how much?!

411 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:13:34am

re: #401 aggieann

This is a serious question (for I am a serious Lizard). : )

What does wee-wee even MEAN? Have ANY of you ever heard this before?

This little piggy went "wee-wee-wee" all the way home.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:14:46am

re: #411 MandyManners

This little piggy went "wee-wee-wee" all the way home.

Oops. That's an extra "wee".

413 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:15:04am

re: #408 wahabicorridor

Nah, he just sounds like the lying POS he is.

He is very dishonest. He lies even when there is tape of him saying the opposite just days earlier. His true believers will overlook that.
IMO his problem is Independents & Regan style Democrats. He is losing it quickly.

414 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:15:16am

Man, this is a slooow news day! All we seem to be talking about is wee-weeing!

415 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:15:27am

re: #410 realwest

Good morning jcm! Say, does Gibbs get paid a salary to do what he does?!
And if so, do y'all know how much?!

He just inspires so much confidence in the administration, Can you feel the sense of security
/?

416 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:15:45am

re: #410 realwest

Good morning jcm! Say, does Gibbs get paid a salary to do what he does?!
And if so, do y'all know how much?!

Among these staffers is Robert Gibbs, who earns the salary cap of $172,200.

Jobs programs for the impaired pay more than I thought.

417 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:16:17am

I'm sooo ready for a vacation. Obama's that is. I look forward to not seeing or hearing him for a week.

418 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:16:25am

I GOT TOO MUCH WEE.

419 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:16:36am

re: #414 realwest

Man, this is a slooow news day! All we seem to be talking about is wee-weeing!

It is an accurate description of what is being done to us.

420 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:17:05am

re: #417 KenJen

I'm sooo ready for a vacation. Obama's that is. I look forward to not seeing or hearing him for a week.

That will never happen until he is out of office.

421 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:17:12am

re: #416 jcm

Among these staffers is Robert Gibbs, who earns the salary cap of $172,200.

Jobs programs for the impaired pay more than I thought.

haha!
good one.

422 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:17:50am

California unemployment rate climbs to 11.9 pct.

No reason to get all wee wee'd up.

423 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:17:51am

re: #419 jcm

It is an accurate description of what is being done to us.

We're up to our ears in wee.

424 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:17:54am

re: #415 bbuddha

He just inspires so much confidence in the administration, Can you feel the sense of security
/?


LOL! No but maybe if LGF could somehow fix the jumpy pages and the difficulty with the post, bold and other buttons I'd feel more secure!
Why is it tht Gibbs always looks like he knows he's lying - in on some big joke that he's about to perpetuate or start?!

425 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:18:05am

re: #420 MandyManners

That will never happen until he is out of office.

Okay. Then I'm looking forward to 2012.

426 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:18:31am

re: #424 realwest

LOL! No but maybe if LGF could somehow fix the jumpy pages and the difficulty with the post, bold and other buttons I'd feel more secure!
Why is it tht Gibbs always looks like he knows he's lying - in on some big joke that he's about to perpetuate or start?!

RW - do you have your auto refresh turned on?

427 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:19:11am

re: #423 MandyManners

We're up to our ears in wee.

WEE're up to our ears in wee.

428 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:19:29am

re: #422 jcm

California unemployment rate climbs to 11.9 pct.

No reason to get all wee wee'd up.

fascinating watching California go under...so wealthy and diverse

429 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:20:04am

re: #412 MandyManners

Oops. That's an extra "wee".

That's okay. Just like extra $trillions.

430 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:20:19am

re: #428 albusteve

fascinating watching California go under...so wealthy and diverse

The future of the country, for those willing to look beyond the unicorn.

431 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:20:21am

re: #414 realwest

Man, this is a slooow news day! All we seem to be talking about is wee-weeing!

Given 0bama's bent on destroying America, I take it as a positive.

432 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:20:37am

re: #422 jcm

California unemployment rate climbs to 11.9 pct.

No reason to get all wee wee'd up.


Now that IS a newsworthy link - just unbelievable to me that 12% of Californians have stopped making unemployment insurance claims; God knows how many folks are really unemployed.
And THAT is really sad.

433 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:21:20am

re: #423 MandyManners

We're up to our ears in wee.

All this wee wee talk reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw last year. It had a little Obama with big ears wee weeing on the Constitution. Kinda like your avatar.

434 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:21:31am

re: #424 realwest

Well let's see, he is (in on the joke) and he's a shitty lier who is apparantly completely unaware of how bad he is at it.

435 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:21:50am

re: #426 reine.de.tout
Good morning reine! Nope, I never use auto-refresh. I like to see how many comments I'm behind by the number Charles so thoughtfully puts on the "new comments" button!

436 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:22:05am

So how do ya'll feel about Barrys' backroom deal with the pharmaceutical industry? Thoughts?

I'm looking at my asthma inhaler and thinking that I have to out dish out another $165.00 bucks that I can't afford for a new one today, because I'll die if I don't.

Not happy.

437 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:22:18am

re: #430 jcm

The future of the country, for those willing to look beyond the unicorn.

I've used it many times here as an example of liberal failure and nobody has ever responded...not once

438 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:23:22am

re: #401 aggieann

This is a serious question (for I am a serious Lizard). : )

What does wee-wee even MEAN? Have ANY of you ever heard this before?

I haven't heard the term since the first grade, actually.

439 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:23:40am

re: #414 realwest

Man, this is a slooow news day! All we seem to be talking about is wee-weeing!

You got a real purty mouth boy, Squeal like a pig, Weee!
Hey, you don't think that BHO meant that? Naw

440 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:23:53am
441 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:24:07am

re: #432 realwest

Now that IS a newsworthy link - just unbelievable to me that 12% of Californians have stopped making unemployment insurance claims; God knows how many folks are really unemployed.
And THAT is really sad.

their tax base and revenue is crashing, people are flocking out of there...it's a mad spiral

442 gregb  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:24:16am

re: #2 Syrah

Once somebody figures it all out, it will up and change into something entirely different.

This has happened several times already.

/

Lol. You guys are missing the point. Quantum Mechanics has a fundamentally unknown part...that's what makes it quantum by definition.

443 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:24:27am

off to get food - bbl

444 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:25:14am

re: #437 albusteve

I've used it many times here as an example of liberal failure and nobody has ever responded...not once

It really is sad that California is a perfect example of liberal economic policy failure and so many refuse to see it, or blame Schwarzenegger for it and no one else.

445 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:25:36am

re: #437 albusteve

I've used it many times here as an example of liberal failure and nobody has ever responded...not once

Hey, that's ok, I musta asked half a dozen times out here how did Obama and the Dems arrive at the figure that 46 million Americans can't afford health insurance and I've never received an answer either!
Maybe I should just e-mail him and ask him?

446 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:25:48am

re: #436 Irish Rose

So how do ya'll feel about Barrys' backroom deal with the pharmaceutical industry? Thoughts?

I'm looking at my asthma inhaler and thinking that I have to out dish out another $165.00 bucks that I can't afford for a new one today, because I'll die if I don't.

Not happy.


What about Axelrod's financial shenanigans with the pharmas?

447 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:26:55am

re: #445 realwest

Hey, that's ok, I musta asked half a dozen times out here how did Obama and the Dems arrive at the figure that 46 million Americans can't afford health insurance and I've never received an answer either!
Maybe I should just e-mail him and ask him?

nobody likes our questions...wahhh!

448 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:27:07am

re: #436 Irish Rose

So how do ya'll feel about Barrys' backroom deal with the pharmaceutical industry? Thoughts?

I'm looking at my asthma inhaler and thinking that I have to out dish out another $165.00 bucks that I can't afford for a new one today, because I'll die if I don't.

Not happy.

Hope they enjoy their 30 pieces of silver.

449 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:27:15am

Today marks the beginning of the 'Holy" month of Ramadan.
This is really nice, street vendors in Cairo have named their dates after Barack Obama.

450 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:27:46am

re: #446 MandyManners

What about Axelrod's financial shenanigans with the pharmas?


Good morning Mandy! Uh, what financial shenanigans are y'all talking about?

451 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:28:09am

re: #444 soxfan4life

It really is sad that California is a perfect example of liberal economic policy failure and so many refuse to see it, or blame Schwarzenegger for it and no one else.

and it's the Speakers home state!...tell me liberals do not want economic failure...the evidence says otherwise

452 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:28:10am

re: #414 realwest

Man, this is a slooow news day! All we seem to be talking about is wee-weeing!

Obamacare - Point and Counterpoint

"Mr. Obama has gone back on the campaign trail to try to sell his health care reform to the nation. Mostly hand-picked, sympathetic attendees have been showing up to his town hall meetings. He continues to make the same points regarding health care reform, which need to be addressed specifically."

Interesting rebutal to Obama's healthcare claims. Many, if not all point, have been addressed by lizards throught the threads on the subject. Here is a nice complilation.

453 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:28:25am

re: #446 MandyManners

What about Axelrod's financial shenanigans with the pharmas?

But didn't 0bama supporters everywhere assure us this guy is different and we wouldn't have these back door deals and shady politics. I'm shocked another 0bama lie foisted upon America.

454 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:29:35am

re: #446 MandyManners

What about Axelrod's financial shenanigans with the pharmas?

one hell of a story...just swept away by the MSM...I hate the MSM with every bone in my body

455 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:29:42am

re: #451 albusteve

and it's the Speakers home state!...tell me liberals do not want economic failure...the evidence says otherwise

Liberals need economic failure for their own survival.

456 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:31:03am

re: #436 Irish Rose

So how do ya'll feel about Barrys' backroom deal with the pharmaceutical industry? Thoughts?

I'm looking at my asthma inhaler and thinking that I have to out dish out another $165.00 bucks that I can't afford for a new one today, because I'll die if I don't.

Not happy.

Part of the deal is , no purchases from Canada. Think about it, drugs manufactured here, sold in Canada for so much less that they could resell here & turn a profit.
Barry in bed with Big Pharma.

457 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:31:18am

re: #441 albusteve

their tax base and revenue is crashing, people are flocking out of there...it's a mad spiral

And when the rest of the country spirals out of control...

THERE IS NO WHERE TO GO!

Excerpts from Reagan's A Time Choosing (full video linkedre: #305 jcm)

But I have an uncomfortable feeling that this prosperity isn't something on which we can base our hopes for the future. No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income. Today, 37 cents out of every dollar earned in this country is the tax collector's share, and yet our government continues to spend 17 million dollars a day more than the government takes in. We haven't balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years. We've raised our debt limit three times in the last twelve months, and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations of the world. We have 15 billion dollars in gold in our treasury; we don't own an ounce. Foreign dollar claims are 27.3 billion dollars. And we've just had announced that the dollar of 1939 will now purchase 45 cents in its total value.

Government is consuming 45% of GDP, it will go over 50% if Health Care passes.

458 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:31:23am

re: #452 midwestgak
Hi {gak} thanks for that!

459 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:31:58am

re: #436 Irish Rose

I've been able to greatly reduce my inhaler use taking a supplement called clear lungs. It is a homeopathic supplement. I'll add I'm not a doctor, not do I play one on TV so of course this is just a possible help from a fellow sufferer.

460 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:32:00am

re: #445 realwest

Hey, that's ok, I musta asked half a dozen times out here how did Obama and the Dems arrive at the figure that 46 million Americans can't afford health insurance and I've never received an answer either!
Maybe I should just e-mail him and ask him?

That's 'cuz it's a bullshit number.

461 BignJames  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:32:41am

re: #451 albusteve

and it's the Speakers home state!...tell me liberals do not want economic failure...the evidence says otherwise


You mean Nancy?

462 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:32:47am

re: #450 realwest

Good morning Mandy! Uh, what financial shenanigans are y'all talking about?

Here.

463 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:33:31am

re: #455 soxfan4life

Liberals need economic failure for their own survival.

and when you argue the antiAmerican collectivism, they get pissed and tell you be nice, socialism is a myth, Bush wrecked the economy...and every sort of disconnect from reality...power before the good of the nation might as well be their motto

464 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:33:49am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Critics of President Obama’s health-care overhaul are zeroing in on his senior adviser David Axelrod, whose former partners at a Chicago-based firm are the beneficiaries of huge ad buys—now at $24 million and counting—by White House allies in the reform fight.

The unwelcome scrutiny, largely from Republicans, comes at an inopportune time as Obama seeks to shore up support for health care reform. It revolves around two separate $12 million ad campaigns advocating Obama’s health care plan that were produced and placed partly by AKPD Message and Media, a firm founded by Axelrod that employs his son and still owes Axelrod $2 million.

465 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:33:56am

re: #457 jcm

And when the rest of the country spirals out of control...

THERE IS NO WHERE TO GO!

Excerpts from Reagan's A Time Choosing (full video linkedre: #305 jcm)

But I have an uncomfortable feeling that this prosperity isn't something on which we can base our hopes for the future. No nation in history has ever survived a tax burden that reached a third of its national income. Today, 37 cents out of every dollar earned in this country is the tax collector's share, and yet our government continues to spend 17 million dollars a day more than the government takes in. We haven't balanced our budget 28 out of the last 34 years. We've raised our debt limit three times in the last twelve months, and now our national debt is one and a half times bigger than all the combined debts of all the nations of the world. We have 15 billion dollars in gold in our treasury; we don't own an ounce. Foreign dollar claims are 27.3 billion dollars. And we've just had announced that the dollar of 1939 will now purchase 45 cents in its total value.

Government is consuming 45% of GDP, it will go over 50% if Health Care passes.

We can always print more bills.
///

466 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:34:40am

re: #462 reine.de.tout

Here.

And here.

467 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:34:52am

re: #459 bbuddha

I've been able to greatly reduce my inhaler use taking a supplement called clear lungs. It is a homeopathic supplement. I'll add I'm not a doctor, not do I play one on TV so of course this is just a possible help from a fellow sufferer.

Thanks, I'll look into that.

468 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:35:03am

re: #458 realwest

Hi {gak} thanks for that!

{real}! Happy to see you. 62 degrees with a high of 71. It should be in the 90s.

My electric company isn't happy though. lol

469 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:35:29am

My alma mater is having some tough times. First the Pitino scandal, then the flood and then this. This guy was up to no good. Thank goodness someone was paying attention.

470 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:35:45am

re: #461 BignJames

You mean Nancy?

heh...I just posted that...good 'ol Nancy

471 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:35:51am

re: #445 realwest

Hey, that's ok, I musta asked half a dozen times out here how did Obama and the Dems arrive at the figure that 46 million Americans can't afford health insurance and I've never received an answer either!
Maybe I should just e-mail him and ask him?

That number has been used for at least the last 10 years & everyone knows that the number came out of thin air.
If you carve our illegals & young people that just don't participate by choice you get a much smaller number.
To toss out the number 12 million does not have the same impact.

472 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:36:07am

re: #465 Irish Rose

We can always print more bills.
///

They're gonna' look like this, and 10 will buy you a loaf of bread.

473 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:36:48am

re: #463 albusteve

and when you argue the antiAmerican collectivism, they get pissed and tell you be nice, socialism is a myth, Bush wrecked the economy...and every sort of disconnect from reality...power before the good of the nation might as well be their motto


Party over all else, where have we heard this before. You can almost hear Reagan saying Mr. 0bama tear down this wall.

474 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:37:31am

re: #472 jcm

They're gonna' look like this, and 10 will buy you a loaf of bread.

two words...
wheelbarrows

475 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:38:15am

re: #463 albusteve

and when you argue the antiAmerican collectivism, they get pissed and tell you be nice, socialism is a myth, Bush wrecked the economy...and every sort of disconnect from reality...power before the good of the nation might as well be their motto

Right & Barry is not a Socialist, that is like the new N word.
Karl Marx was smeared as a Marxist.

476 BignJames  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:38:24am

re: #470 albusteve

heh...I just posted that...good 'ol Nancy


When you're draining the swamp...lookout for the 'gators.

477 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:38:25am

re: #460 jcm

That's 'cuz it's a bullshit number.

Well I have no choice but to agree to that since no one's ever answered my question, but bullshit it is not. Taking a Machete to health care delivery and insurance could maybe, perhaps, be explainable if that number were true (and if it was adults only that were being counted) but if it is, as some have said, closer to 12 million, then a scalpel would do a much better and much faster job. What Obama and the Dems fail to realize is that this naked grab for Power for the Fed Government through "Health Care Reform" is taking up precious time for those who truly can't afford consistently delivered health care.

478 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:38:43am

re: #472 jcm

They're gonna' look like this, and 10 will buy you a loaf of bread.

The new liberal catch phrase is the cost of a cup of coffee, so it might be fitting to show how many it will take to buy a cup of Joe.

479 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:38:55am

re: #474 albusteve

two words...
wheelbarrows

Four words
Hope and change/

480 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:39:36am

Being forced into use my unemployment benefits to pay for life-saving medication leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth.

481 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:41:11am

re: #477 realwest

Well I have no choice but to agree to that since no one's ever answered my question, but bullshit it is not. Taking a Machete to health care delivery and insurance could maybe, perhaps, be explainable if that number were true (and if it was adults only that were being counted) but if it is, as some have said, closer to 12 million, then a scalpel would do a much better and much faster job. What Obama and the Dems fail to realize is that this naked grab for Power for the Fed Government through "Health Care Reform" is taking up precious time for those who truly can't afford consistently delivered health care.


4. Nearly 50 million Americans are without health care.

You are right real. From the article posted about:

Nearly 13 million Americans are without health insurance. No one in the United States is without health care. Government regulations prohibit patients from being turned away from hospitals, which must provide medical care to anyone. The huge number that the Obama administration has used is highly inflated.

482 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:41:36am

re: #477 realwest

The answer is interstate competition. Really not difficult to understand but it doesn't further pres wee wee's (sorry I can't resist) plan to change the country

483 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:42:04am

re: #480 Irish Rose

Being forced into use my unemployment benefits to pay for life-saving medication leaves a very bitter taste in my mouth.

Have you talked to the people at Partnership for Prescription Assistance?

484 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:42:58am

The Top Ten Myths of American Health Care

Myth One: Government Health Care Is More Efficient
Myth Two: We're Spending Too Much on Health Care
Myth Three: Forty-Six Million Americans Can't Get Health Care
Myth Four: High Drug Prices Drive Up Health Care Costs
Myth Five: Importing Drugs Would Reduce Health Care Costs
Myth Six: Universal Coverage Can Be Achieved by Forcing Everyone to Buy Insurance
Myth Seven: Government Prevention Programs Reduce Health Care Costs
Myth Eight: We Need More Government to Insure Poor Americans
Myth Nine: Health Information Technology Is a Silver Bullet for Reducing Costs
Myth Ten: Government-Run Health Care Systems in Other Countries are Better and Cheaper than America's
Solutions: Markets, Consumer Choice, and Innovation

485 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:43:53am

re: #483 KenJen

Have you talked to the people at Partnership for Prescription Assistance?


Working on it as we speak.

486 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:43:54am

re: #478 soxfan4life

The new liberal catch phrase is the cost of a cup of coffee, so it might be fitting to show how many it will take to buy a cup of Joe.

That's a favorite in Seattle! It's only a Mocha a week!

A mocha here, a mocha there pretty soon you talkin' a whole lot of beans.

487 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:45:39am

re: #482 bbuddha
Link: she's a better wordsmith than I.
[Link: anncoulter.com...]

488 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:45:44am

re: #481 midwestgak

4. Nearly 50 million Americans are without health care.

You are right real. From the article posted about:

Nearly 13 million Americans are without health insurance. No one in the United States is without health care. Government regulations prohibit patients from being turned away from hospitals, which must provide medical care to anyone. The huge number that the Obama administration has used is highly inflated.

Proponents of radical change in the health delivery system have used that inflated number for years.
Why not make Michelle Obama the Healthcare Reform Czar.
She could do for the naton what she did for the U of C Meical Center, dump uninsured patients. They could load them on buses & ship them to Canada. Valarie Jarret & Axlerod were in on it & they are in DC now.

489 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:46:00am

re: #486 jcm

That's a favorite in Seattle! It's only a Mocha a week!

A mocha here, a mocha there pretty soon you talkin' a whole lot of beans.

It's big in MA as well. Why don't the SOB's try saving that much a day for a start and working towards bigger and better numbers. They tell us we need to tighten our belts while they are going up to the buffet table 100 times.

490 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:46:59am

Anyone remember a thread from a couple days ago when the Da Vinci Code was being discussed? Someone posted the title of a book that was supposed to be a more literary approach to a similar subject. Anyone happen to know what I'm talking about, the author, the title, anything?

491 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:47:03am

a despicable manipulation of the democratic process...for Me but not for thee...the Swimmer strikes back...the MSM should be all over this

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

492 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:47:18am

re: #477 realwest

Well I have no choice but to agree to that since no one's ever answered my question, but bullshit it is not. Taking a Machete to health care delivery and insurance could maybe, perhaps, be explainable if that number were true (and if it was adults only that were being counted) but if it is, as some have said, closer to 12 million, then a scalpel would do a much better and much faster job. What Obama and the Dems fail to realize is that this naked grab for Power for the Fed Government through "Health Care Reform" is taking up precious time for those who truly can't afford consistently delivered health care.

EDITORIAL: Who are the uninsured?

First of all, the uninsured do receive high-quality medical care. Virtually every state requires that hospitals treat people regardless of their ability to pay.

Fourteen million of the 47 million are already eligible for government insurance, Medicaid, but have not signed up.

27 million of the uninsured have personal incomes of more than $50,000.

If you exclude those who are essentially covered by Medicaid, nearly 70 percent of the remaining uninsured lack insurance for less than four months. Many of those temporarily uninsured are simply switching jobs

There is a group of people who are borderline poor but not eligible for Medicaid, but the group is relatively small and many (if not most) of those people are illegal immigrants.

493 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:47:30am

re: #488 opnion

Michelle has enough on her plate with the Wednesday night social event planning, she couldn't possibly take on healthcare too.

494 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:47:42am

re: #485 Irish Rose

Working on it as we speak.

Good Luck. Also try Una Card.

495 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:48:51am

For all y'all who just like me are having trouble waking up here's something that may help (Toin dem speakers UP!):

496 Irish Rose  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:49:44am

Have a good morning lizards, I'm off to do the chores.
BBL.

497 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:49:48am

back again. While I was making breakfast Charlie Cook was on MSNBC.. He said he was talking to some Dem politicos from some purple states. They don't want Obama anywhere near them - he's personna non grata

498 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:49:52am

re: #492 jcm

How many of that 47,000,000 are illegal aliens? Isn't that number a lie?

499 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:50:02am

re: #495 realwest

The CD I sent along, are you enjoying it? Or did it fall a little short?

Some of the tracks I like, others are so so. Overall it's pretty good IMHO.

500 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:50:30am

re: #498 MandyManners

How many of that 47,000,000 are illegal aliens? Isn't that number a lie?

Most numbers put in the 10 million range.

501 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:50:52am

Even if 47,000,000 is an accurate number excluding illegals, that's not even 10 per cent of the population.

502 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:51:27am

re: #500 jcm

Most numbers put in the 10 million range.

Ten million illegals?

503 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:52:08am

re: #491 albusteve

a despicable manipulation of the democratic process...for Me but not for thee...the Swimmer strikes back...the MSM should be all over this

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

Good luck with that, the MSM all over a Democrat double standard. I cannot wait to see MA in my rearview mirror next week for the last time.

504 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:52:59am

re: #502 MandyManners

Ten million illegals?

7 to 20 depending on which study, 10-12 is probably correct.

505 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:53:02am

re: #481 midwestgak
And
re: #482 bbuddha

Yeah, I know that - just wondered how they came up with the number - just write mid-to high double digit numbers on pieces of paper, throw 'em in a hat and pick one out?!?
AND HOW COME THE DAMNED MSM NEVER ASKS ABOUT THIS?!

506 Nom de boom  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:53:12am

Just had to drop by this morning and ask if anyone watched CBS News last night. If so, did you catch the Biblical reference in the lead-up to the story on the Obama's vacation, "And on the ___ day, he rested." I had to clean up a lot of Diet Coke after that little gem.

507 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:53:19am

England is finished...they just don't know it yet

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

508 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:53:40am

re: #504 jcm

7 to 20 depending on which study, 10-12 is probably correct.

Some say the sun rises in the east, others say the sun rises in the west. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

509 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:53:49am

re: #497 wahabicorridor

back again. While I was making breakfast Charlie Cook was on MSNBC.. He said he was talking to some Dem politicos from some purple states. They don't want Obama anywhere near them - he's personna non grata

How long until the MSM starts portraying them as inbred racists like they did when HRC won the primary in WVA.

510 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:53:50am

re: #502 MandyManners

Ten million illegals?


I'll find the link, but I heard about 10-12 mil illegals, 22 million young people who just don't think they need it and about 12 million truly without insurance.

511 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:54:55am

re: #493 soxfan4life

Michelle has enough on her plate with the Wednesday night social event planning, she couldn't possibly take on healthcare too.


I take your point, but Michelle is a mult-tasker & can handle it.
She was able to head up the Urban Health Initiative working only a twenty hour week. A person I know that was there claims that she didn't even do the 20 hours. She pulled down over $300,000 after Barry made U.S Senator.

512 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:54:58am

re: #489 soxfan4life
HAH! They never LEAVE the buffet table!

513 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:55:30am

re: #504 jcm

7 to 20 depending on which study, 10-12 is probably correct.

How soon will we get shouted down for talking about illegals?

514 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:56:00am

re: #506 Nom de boom

Just had to drop by this morning and ask if anyone watched CBS News last night. If so, did you catch the Biblical reference in the lead-up to the story on the Obama's vacation, "And on the ___ day, he rested." I had to clean up a lot of Diet Coke after that little gem.

Well, he is the creator. The creator of a huge mess.

515 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:56:16am

re: #506 Nom de boom

Just had to drop by this morning and ask if anyone watched CBS News last night. If so, did you catch the Biblical reference in the lead-up to the story on the Obama's vacation, "And on the ___ day, he rested." I had to clean up a lot of Diet Coke after that little gem.

I'd rather shove a hot poker up my nose than watch CBS.

516 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:56:29am

re: #498 MandyManners

How many of that 47,000,000 are illegal aliens? Isn't that number a lie?

it's a complete fabrication.
off the top of my head
10-15 million illegals
10 million who voluntarily decline coverage

and if you change jobs or don't have coverage for even 1 day, then you are counted as one of the 47 million.

I think the number is closer to 5-10 million Americans who want coverage and don't have it.
( far too many IMO, but not 47 million )

517 razorbacker  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:56:47am

I make no pretense about understanding quantum mechanics.

Regular mechanics still give me trouble. I've yet to reassemble an automatic transmission without at least a coffee can full of various ball bearings, springy-type curly bits of metal, and the occasional plunger or vacuum release valve left over.

Stoopid, stationary automobiles.

But I do understand this:

I'd be a lot more receptive to socialist health care if they would simply try it out on government employees for 25 years or so, first. Just say, "We're so sure that this is the way to go that every single government employee is required to use our health care, and nothing else" and then, after a quarter-century or so, I'll think about climbing on board.

518 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:57:00am

re: #505 realwest

And
re: #482 bbuddha

Yeah, I know that - just wondered how they came up with the number - just write mid-to high double digit numbers on pieces of paper, throw 'em in a hat and pick one out?!?
AND HOW COME THE DAMNED MSM NEVER ASKS ABOUT THIS?!

They lump every one together, which inflates the number. So what of 20 million have an health care option, but don't use it. So what if 10 million are only temporarily uninsured, so what if 10 million are illegals.

It's easier to sell people on a whole sale rework of health care when 12% of people are DYING IN STREETS because of BIG HEALTH CARE.

Than the truth that 4% don't have insurance, but they'll get care anyway if they show up at the ER and the rest of will pick up the tab.

519 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:57:37am

re: #492 jcm
Oh jcm, my poor, dear friend. Do you not know that the paper that printed that editorial is owned by Moonies?
How can you trust ANYTHING they say?!
//

520 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:57:39am

re: #511 opnion

I take your point, but Michelle is a mult-tasker & can handle it.
She was able to head up the Urban Health Initiative working only a twenty hour week. A person I know that was there claims that she didn't even do the 20 hours. She pulled down over $300,000 after Barry made U.S Senator.

An interesting aside to that is after she left the position hasn't been filled.

521 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:58:12am

re: #507 albusteve

England is finished...they just don't know it yet

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

Let's all be mohammedans!
/Isn't that the idea?

522 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:58:14am

re: #513 MandyManners

How soon will we get shouted down for talking about illegals?

OK, then refer to them as 'Undocumented Citizens" I actually heard a Sociology Prof use that term. It is so much nicer, don't ya think.

523 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:58:23am

re: #520 soxfan4life

An interesting aside to that is after she left the position hasn't been filled.

cuz she's such a tough act to follow
/

524 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:58:36am

re: #520 soxfan4life

An interesting aside to that is after she left the position hasn't been filled.

Worse. It's been eliminated

525 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:58:37am

re: #519 realwest

Oh jcm, my poor, dear friend. Do you not know that the paper that printed that editorial is owned by Moonies?
How can you trust ANYTHING they say?!
//

LOL!

You see the last line?

As the late, great senator from New York, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, used to say: "You are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts."

526 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:58:44am

So, smash flat insurance and medical care--two huge segments of the public sector--in order to take care of a miniscule portion of Americans. Goshdarn fucking commie bullshit.

527 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:58:50am

One of (the many) things that gets me on these commercials for the healthcare overhaul is the bit about covering pre existing condiditions. Isn't that like waiting untill you are in an accident and your car is totaled then going and buying insurance to cover the the already totaled car?
Of course if insurance was more affordable, more people would opt in. then the problem wouldn't exist in the numbers it does now.

528 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:59:07am

re: #497 wahabicorridor
PURPLE States? What? I was just getting over the idea of more conservative states being called "Red", what the hell are Purple States?!

529 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:59:26am

re: #507 albusteve

England is finished...they just don't know it yet

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]


And then there is the London mega-mosque...

530 razorbacker  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:59:33am

re: #527 bbuddha

One of (the many) things that gets me on these commercials for the healthcare overhaul is the bit about covering pre existing condiditions. Isn't that like waiting untill you are in an accident and your car is totaled then going and buying insurance to cover the the already totaled car?
Of course if insurance was more affordable, more people would opt in. then the problem wouldn't exist in the numbers it does now.

Why can't you buy life insurance for a dead person?

531 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:59:44am

re: #528 realwest

We're in one.

532 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:59:47am

Interesting story.. Where will they go next? Canadians visit U.S. to get health care

Hospitals in border cities, including Detroit, are forging lucrative arrangements with Canadian health agencies to provide care not widely available across the border.
Agreements between Detroit hospitals and the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care for heart, imaging tests, bariatric and other services provide access to some services not immediately available in the province, said ministry spokesman David Jensen.
533 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 7:59:59am

re: #513 MandyManners

We're rascits and hatemongers. The DHHS commisioner of my state sent a DHHS wide memo saying as much (talk about pulling your hair out)

534 victor_yugo  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:00:02am

re: #524 wahabicorridor

Worse. It's been eliminated

So has the Chinese food I ate a couple days ago.

535 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:00:04am

re: #520 soxfan4life

An interesting aside to that is after she left the position hasn't been filled.

Yeah, that is rich. However BHO was able to get earmarks for the U of C when in the Senate. A pure coincidence.

536 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:00:07am

re: #499 jcm
I've actually enjoyed all of 'em thank you!! Some are better than others, but they are all good!

537 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:00:13am

re: #528 realwest

PURPLE States? What? I was just getting over the idea of more conservative states being called "Red", what the hell are Purple States?!

The states that win you Presidential elections.

538 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:00:24am

re: #528 realwest

half red half blue

539 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:01:59am

re: #535 opnion

Yeah, that is rich. However BHO was able to get earmarks for the U of C when in the Senate. A pure coincidence.

Definitely coincidence because 0 is all about hope and change not the same old politics as usual.///. Real heavy sarcasm.

540 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:02:16am

re: #533 bbuddha

We're rascits and hatemongers. The DHHS commisioner of my state sent a DHHS wide memo saying as much (talk about pulling your hair out)

Link?

541 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:02:28am

re: #532 Mich-again

Interesting story.. Where will they go next? Canadians visit U.S. to get health care


I saw some dumb shit in CNN this morning saying that this was just Canada being smart by outsourcing some healthcare to the US where we spend so much money on specialized hospitals, as if citizens going to another country to get healthcare was a great idea.

OK, fine. When we get Obamacare , where will our citizens go for fancy sophisiticated and expensive healthcare?

542 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:02:30am

re: #501 MandyManners

Even if 47,000,000 is an accurate number excluding illegals, that's not even 10 per cent of the population.

Ms MM, please work this out for us on the blackboard.

543 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:02:33am

re: #520 soxfan4life

An interesting aside to that is after she left the position hasn't been filled.

And nobody even blinked in the MSM.

544 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:02:38am

re: #528 realwest

PURPLE States? What? I was just getting over the idea of more conservative states being called "Red", what the hell are Purple States?!

Purple, shaded between red and blue according to vote.

545 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:03:04am

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

How are things in Lizardia today?

546 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:03:23am

re: #542 itellu3times

Ms MM, please work this out for us on the blackboard.

*hurling eraser*

547 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:03:25am

re: #534 victor_yugo

So has the Chinese food I ate a couple days hours ago.

FTFY

548 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:03:29am

re: #543 VioletTiger

And nobody even blinked in the MSM.

Hard to blink when you have stars in your eyes.

549 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:04:04am

Flying pig moment.

Ok, I know NPR is not always outwardly bias, many times they just present information without much commentary, which is annoying since they usually do that when the issue falls under a positive conservative issue, and go whole hog partisan when they cover a progressive issue.

But this morning (granted, it was a Sat. morning, about 7:30am) NPR radio had an editor on commenting on recent news, and he admitted Obama is in trouble. No spin, no excuses and nothing positive. He didn't "trash mouth" the president, but he didn't cut him any slack.

Just an observation.

550 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:04:22am

re: #545 yma o hyd

morning yma!

551 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:04:52am

re: #522 opnion
"'Undocumented Residents" would be more accurate than 'Undocumented Citizens"!

552 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:05:00am

re: #539 soxfan4life

Definitely coincidence because 0 is all about hope and change not the same old politics as usual.///. Real heavy sarcasm.

Here's some bad luck, the seas will be to heavy for BHO to body surf on his vacation.
You know that he wanted a picture of himself is a swim suit in the paper, so that Liberal chicks & Chris Mattews could swoon.

553 albusteve  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:05:15am
554 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:05:30am

re: #517 razorbacker

I'd be a lot more receptive to socialist health care if they would simply try it out on government employees for 25 years or so, first. Just say, "We're so sure that this is the way to go that every single government employee is required to use our health care, and nothing else" and then, after a quarter-century or so, I'll think about climbing on board.

Maybe they could try it out on pets, first.

Yes - free health care for chimps, starting in 2010.

Extend it to ferrets in 2012.

Then to cats of senior citizens in 2013.

And to dogs of families making under $47,000 a year in 2014.

... until by 2037, all pets are covered!

This is more the kind of bill our congresscritters can handle.
/

555 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:05:31am

re: #545 yma o hyd

Hiya, Lizard Nation!

How are things in Lizardia today?

Morning yma!
All is rather pleasant here this morning!

556 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:06:01am
557 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:06:27am

re: #530 razorbacker
LOL,

558 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:07:04am

re: #551 realwest

"'Undocumented Residents" would be more accurate than 'Undocumented Citizens"!

Exactly, but the guy actually said citizens. This is how nutty the discussion is.

559 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:08:21am

Should anybody here think that this business about Megrahi was just about Scots showing their independence from the rest of the UK, think again:

Government faces questions over Lockerbie bomber

From that link:
'The Government are under fresh pressure this morning over an alleged trade deal behind the release of the Lockerbie bomber.

Opposition MPs say claims made by Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s son raise ‘serious questions’ over the release of Abdelbaset Ali al-Megrahi.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi said negotiations over al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business and Col Gaddafi himself also appeared on TV hugging Megrahi, who was this was this week released by the Scottish government on compassionate grounds, and thanking ‘my friend’ Gordon Brown.'

Dirty business, all round.

560 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:09:02am

re: #530 razorbacker

Why can't you buy life insurance for a dead person?

If they can vote,they should be insured

561 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:09:44am

re: #540 MandyManners

Can't (I don't think) I'm still trying to figure out a way of getting around the confidentiality tag on the end of all of our emails. btw I'm a support enforcement agent, in Maine they are under dhhs. I know about it because I received it.

562 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:10:18am

re: #525 jcm Yes I did, but sadly, the true liberals like Daniel Patrick Moynihan are far gone from the fields of battle. Now there are only true Leftists and those that run the Democratic Party - e.g., Nancy Pelosi - have the Extreme Left as their base (in every sense of the word) constituency.

True Liberals you could discuss serious issues with and get the distinct and HONEST feeling that they and you were seeking a satisfactory common solution to a national/international problem.
Lefties only want POWER.

563 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:10:28am

re: #550 wahabicorridor

morning yma!

Top of the morning to you - from an afternoon-ish Wales!

U2 have a huge concert here tonight - and we could hear them practising while we were playing in the park just now.
Pretty loud, it was, too - I hope they close the roof of the stadium tonight!

564 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:11:21am

re: #562 realwest

If JFK was alive today he would be ashamed of the Democrat Party.

565 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:11:27am

re: #560 n in wi

If they can vote,they should be insured

Actually Cook County Illinois is the most "Progressive" forward thinking area in the nation.
The Life challenged citizens are not discriminated against, they vote as early & often as thet always did.

566 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:11:38am

re: #561 bbuddha

Can't (I don't think) I'm still trying to figure out a way of getting around the confidentiality tag on the end of all of our emails. btw I'm a support enforcement agent, in Maine they are under dhhs. I know about it because I received it.

I sometimes think that CS enforcement should be handled by law enforcement since CS orders are court orders.

567 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:11:40am

re: #526 MandyManners
" Goshdarn fucking" ROTFLMAO! Great one Mandy!

568 midwestgak  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:11:56am

re: #547 Truck Monkey

FTFY

FTFY means?

569 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:12:07am

re: #555 VioletTiger

Morning yma!
All is rather pleasant here this morning!

Hi - thats nice!

One does like a gentle slide into the weekend, without botheration. That ought to be left for government politicians ...

570 Shug  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:12:57am

re: #568 midwestgak

FTFY means Fixed that for you

FTFY

571 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:13:19am

re: #559 yma o hyd

And try this one.

I thought you might be interested in a conversation I had in London in mid-April (!) with very senior UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office officials about al-Megrahi. After leaving the Bush Administration in January I was on a work trip to London in mid-April and dropped by the FCO to check in with a couple of my former FCO colleagues. One high ranking British diplomat - a personal friend - complained to me that the release of al-Megrahi was forthcoming.

Not only is Andy McCarthy on the right track, it's even worse than that. We spoke (complained?) at length about the issue and it was very from my conversation that the decision was left to Number 10, and was being driven by the FCO in part to curry favor with Qaddafi after a rocky "rebooting" period.

I've been quite perplexed at the characterization of this as a Scottish decision, as my friend spoke of it in terms of something that had already been cleared conditionally by the courts and had been signed off on by the Prime Minister. In fact, he pointed me toward this February 2009 AFP article, mentioning that it was a trial balloon from the British government to test the reaction in the US and UK.

Note the date. They had not detected much anger of the article, so they British government had already decided that they would acquiesce to the Libyan request. He was also very explicit that they had informed the US of their plans to release him.

572 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:13:44am

re: #531 Lincolntf
What? I don't recall ever having a vote on that!
I demand a recount!

573 Lincolntf  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:14:31am

re: #559 yma o hyd

I've been at a few UK newspaper sites today. Unbelievable how many people defend both the terrorist murderer and the Judge who released him. I've posted a couple comments at the sites, but none of them have made it through moderation yet.
Frankly, the "compassionate" release makes no sense to me (people far less deadly than this cretin die in prison all the time), so I'm leaning towards the "under-the-table" deal scenario.

574 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:14:45am

re: #568 midwestgak

FTFY means?


Fixed that for you

Is that an aye aye in your avatar?

575 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:15:20am

re: #534 victor_yugo
LOL! Hey, have you ever tried Chinese-German cuisine? An hour after eating it you have a hunger for power!!

576 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:15:59am

re: #573 Lincolntf

I must be cold hearted, because I believe life in prison means you leave in a body bag.

577 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:16:03am

re: #566 MandyManners

I sometimes think that CS enforcement should be handled by law enforcement since CS orders are court orders.

In some states they are under dept of revenue, in TX they are apparently with the AG's office. That is a guess, that's who I talk to when we have overlapping cases. We do work closely with law enforcment.

578 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:16:58am

re: #569 yma o hyd

Hi - thats nice!

One does like a gentle slide into the weekend, without botheration. That ought to be left for government politicians ...

Botheration. Love that word. Read one last night I have not used in awhile-feckless. I will have to work both into a conversation today. Shouldn't be to hard to do if Obama's named comes up.

579 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:17:50am

re: #571 wahabicorridor

That fits very well with what is now coming out.

Here's something else - and quite quite delicious:

Lord Mandelson steps in over Lockerbie

From that link:
'The Government have been under pressure since this morning after allegations of alleged trade deal behind his release of the after claims made by Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi’s son, Saif al-Islam.

But the business secretary, who has previously met with Saif al-Islam, dismissed allegations that al-Megrahi's release was the result of a business deal with Libya, as he was released from hospital following a prostate operation this afternoon.

Saif al-Islam, has claimed that negotiations over al-Megrahi’s release had always been tied up with the oil and gas business. However Mandelson, who has met with Saif al-Islam twice this year, said: “It’s not only completely wrong to make such a suggestion it’s also quite offensive. '

Mandelson, the dark soul of NuLab, met Saif al-Islam during his summer holidays this year - on a yacht belonging to Lord Rothshild, who was of course also present ...

580 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:17:55am

re: #541 Shug
"OK, fine. When we get Obamacare , where will our citizens go for fancy sophisiticated and expensive healthcare?"
Hey Shug - never mind that, where the hell are our poorer, elderly and/or terribly ill CITIZENS to go for healthcare under Obama?

581 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:18:31am

re: #577 bbuddha

In some states they are under dept of revenue, in TX they are apparently with the AG's office. That is a guess, that's who I talk to when we have overlapping cases. We do work closely with law enforcment.

I try not to think about CS 'cause dickhead is about $90,000.00 in arrears.

582 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:18:51am

SAND IN MY SHORTS.

bbiab

583 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:19:01am

re: #580 realwest

"OK, fine. When we get Obamacare , where will our citizens go for fancy sophisiticated and expensive healthcare?"
Hey Shug - never mind that, where the hell are our poorer, elderly and/or terribly ill CITIZENS to go for healthcare under Obama?

Dr Jack Kevorkian comes to mind.

584 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:19:11am

re: #564 soxfan4life

If JFK was alive today he would be ashamed of the Democrat Party.

Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."
John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963,

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address Friday, January 20, 1961

585 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:20:24am

re: #584 jcm

Pretty sad how low they have stooped for power now isn't it?

586 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:20:56am

re: #573 Lincolntf

I've been at a few UK newspaper sites today. Unbelievable how many people defend both the terrorist murderer and the Judge who released him. I've posted a couple comments at the sites, but none of them have made it through moderation yet.
Frankly, the "compassionate" release makes no sense to me (people far less deadly than this cretin die in prison all the time), so I'm leaning towards the "under-the-table" deal scenario.

The 'compassionate' release is, I think, a nice spin by NuLab.
One point overlooked is that Megrahi had an appeal pending, which many wanted to go forward in order to see if he was really not guilty, as he cliamed, and if there was new evidence.
Megrahi abandoned the appeal so he could go free ...

In my book, you can be compassionate after a judgment, not before.

Oh - and it wasn't a judge who released him, it was the Scottish Minister for Justice.

587 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:21:22am

re: #584 jcm

Lower rates of taxation will stimulate economic activity and so raise the levels of personal and corporate income as to yield within a few years an increased – not a reduced – flow of revenues to the federal government."
John F. Kennedy, Jan. 17, 1963,

Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
John F. Kennedy Inaugural Address Friday, January 20, 1961


What branch of the Kennedy family tree did Ted sprout from?

588 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:21:27am

re: #545 yma o hyd
Good evening {yma} glad to see you survived the gang up of scientists and pedantics that you faced yesterday!

589 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:21:47am

re: #580 realwest

"OK, fine. When we get Obamacare , where will our citizens go for fancy sophisiticated and expensive healthcare?"
Hey Shug - never mind that, where the hell are our poorer, elderly and/or terribly ill CITIZENS to go for healthcare under Obama?


My friend, you already know what Obama's priorities are & does not include seniors. This health care proposal is a financial horror movie.
In order to find economic efficiencies there will have to be rationing & all thinking people know that. One way to save is to often deny care to Seniors. It is being done now in Oregon.

590 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:22:08am

Good morning Lizards ... looks like I missed the REALLY late night hoop talk ... and I was here until nearly 3:00am.

Hope everyone is doing well today!

591 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:22:40am

re: #546 MandyManners

*hurling eraser*


I sure hope you meant "Throwing Eraser" or I don't want to eat where or what you eat!!
:)

592 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:22:59am

re: #587 n in wi

What branch of the Kennedy family tree did Ted sprout from?


poison ivy league?

593 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:23:02am

re: #587 n in wi

What branch of the Kennedy family tree did Ted sprout from?

The rotten one of course

594 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:23:20am

re: #581 MandyManners

I gave up, it made my life so much simpler. If I don't expect it I can't miss it. My child is 19 now and he still owes quite a bit. whenever they track him down I get a couple of checks, I send them to the child. She's putting herself thru school so a little extra is always welcome.

595 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:23:48am

re: #589 opnion

My friend, you already know what Obama's priorities are & does not include seniors. This health care proposal is a financial horror movie.
In order to find economic efficiencies there will have to be rationing & all thinking people know that. One way to save is to often deny care to Seniors. It is being done now in Oregon.

I wonder what percentage of the elderly voted for Obama. I think they helped him out quite a bit in Florida.

596 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:24:35am

re: #578 KenJen

Botheration. Love that word. Read one last night I have not used in awhile-feckless. I will have to work both into a conversation today. Shouldn't be to hard to do if Obama's named comes up.

Feckless is an excellent word - its much in use here at the present time, due to the preferential treatment dished out to the (feckless!) layabouts.

I'm sure you can use it many times in regard to the 47 million without 'obamacare'!

597 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:24:51am

re: #595 VioletTiger

I wonder what percentage of the elderly voted for Obama. I think they helped him out quite a bit in Florida.

A lot of elderly voted for him because of the claims that John McCain was going to take away Social Security.

598 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:25:27am

re: #595 VioletTiger

I wonder what percentage of the elderly voted for Obama. I think they helped him out quite a bit in Florida.

On FOX right now "Cash for Caskets"
not kidding

599 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:26:41am

re: #598 VegasRick

On FOX right now "Cash for Caskets"
not kidding

Morning Rick

I was going to mention that. I heard Rush say that yesterday. Almost drove off the road laughing so hard !

600 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:26:41am

re: #598 VegasRick

On FOX right now "Cash for Caskets"
not kidding

Trade in your clunker health care for a casket?

601 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:26:58am

President wee wee


Pww

602 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:27:31am

re: #590 _RememberTonyC

Good morning Lizards ... looks like I missed the REALLY late night hoop talk ... and I was here until nearly 3:00am.

Hope everyone is doing well today!

Heya TC

603 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:27:50am

re: #595 VioletTiger

I wonder what percentage of the elderly voted for Obama. I think they helped him out quite a bit in Florida.

If I remember correctly , Obama won that demographic.
His weakest demographic was White Males under age 65.
No surprise there, we destroyed the Continent & instituted Monday Night Football.
Hell we are so evil that we will soon destroy the planet with Climate Change just form pulling the pop tops on our beers.

604 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:28:01am

re: #588 realwest

Good evening {yma} glad to see you survived the gang up of scientists and pedantics that you faced yesterday!

Hiya, {rw}!

I hope you are well today and enjoying the summer!

Actually, I quite enjoyed that debate yesterday!
Mind, I do have my doubts about some of them being proper scientists ...

605 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:28:16am

re: #598 VegasRick

On FOX right now "Cash for Caskets"
not kidding

I heard it.
Craddle to grave.

606 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:29:00am

re: #600 jcm

Trade in your clunker health care for a casket?

Rush. Yesterday he was saying (tobgue in cheek) that he also didn't like the "Death Panel" phrase,,, instead, he'll use Cash For Caskets

607 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:29:05am

re: #598 VegasRick

On FOX right now "Cash for Caskets"
not kidding

Come on, please tell me that you made that up.

608 soxfan4life  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:29:15am

Have a good day all, will more than likely check in later today.re: #603 opnion

I'd give that a million updings if I could.

609 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:29:34am

re: #607 opnion

#606

610 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:30:31am

re: #603 opnion

If I remember correctly , Obama won that demographic.
His weakest demographic was White Males under age 65.
No surprise there, we destroyed the Continent & instituted Monday Night Football.
Hell we are so evil that we will soon destroy the planet with Climate Change just form pulling the pop tops on our beers.

Oh geez, wouldn't be surprised to see a surcharge on beer because of the CO2.

611 irongrampa  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:30:33am

re: #578 KenJen

How about "feckless crapweasel"?

Saw that on a blog somewhere.

612 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:30:35am

re: #585 soxfan4life
and equally as bad, now that they have THE POWER, they have no truly constructive ideas of what to do with it.

613 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:30:55am

re: #603 opnion

If I remember correctly , Obama won that demographic.
His weakest demographic was White Males under age 65.
No surprise there, we destroyed the Continent & instituted Monday Night Football.
Hell we are so evil that we will soon destroy the planet with Climate Change just form pulling the pop tops on our beers.

A poll I read showed O's support has declined the most with middle-aged,middle income women. My thinking is it's because this is who uses medical sevices the most[and pays for it]. It is also the demographic that takes the children to the Dr.

614 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:31:02am

re: #609 sattv4u2

#606

Sheeesh, what is the concept?

615 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:31:06am

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: Myths and Morality in Health Insurance Reform

616 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:31:11am

re: #607 opnion

Come on, please tell me that you made that up.

You don't have to with this new admin.

617 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:02am

re: #579 yma o hyd

And a lot of people think he didn't do it.

Our government know that this man is innocent; the US government knows that this man is innocent; and the Libyan government knows it too. It is pretty certain that the Iranian government—which, entirely coincidentally, had a passenger airliner shot down by an American warship shortly before the Lockerbie bombing—also knows this.

618 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:07am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: Myths and Morality in Health Insurance Reform

[Video]

Obama sez... Obama lies? Same difference.

619 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:11am

re: #610 VioletTiger

Oh geez, wouldn't be surprised to see a surcharge on beer because of the CO2.

But if you act "Stupidly" you can still have beers with Obama.

620 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:18am

re: #586 yma o hyd
"Oh - and it wasn't a judge who released him, it was the Scottish Minister for Justice."
No doubt a member of Clan Campbell the dirty rotten bastids!

621 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:19am

re: #607 opnion

Come on, please tell me that you made that up.

Nope. It's true.

622 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:25am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: Myths and Morality in Health Insurance Reform



Do you believe him?

623 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:39am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: Myths and Morality in Health Insurance Reform

[Video]

His Weekly address?

624 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:32:47am

re: #602 sattv4u2

Heya TC

Hi Sat ... you working today?

625 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:33:14am

re: #616 VegasRick

They have made satire impossible. It's sad.

626 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:33:17am

re: #622 VegasRick

Do you believe him?


I didn't even listen. I figured people here might want to see it.

627 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:33:38am

re: #623 jcm

His Weekly address?

Yes,wee wee can

628 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:33:54am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Obama sez...
Weekly Address: Myths and Morality in Health Insurance Reform



I see. So now it's not a "RIGHT" anymore, it's a MORAL DUTY!

If illegals won't get coverage, how did we get to 50 million uncovered?

629 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:34:04am

re: #625 bbuddha

They have made satire impossible. It's sad.

"The Onion News" is pissed!

630 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:34:12am

re: #616 VegasRick

You don't have to with this new admin.

This is the silliest, most dangerous group of people to run things.
You have a Science Czar & a health advisor that get all goo goo over Eugenics.

631 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:34:47am

re: #621 VioletTiger

Nope. It's true.

We are screwed.

632 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:34:47am

re: #626 Killgore Trout

I didn't even listen. I figured people here might want to see it.

Text of the address...

633 bbuddha  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:34:49am

Just noticed the time, probably should get some chores done.

634 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:35:10am

re: #624 _RememberTonyC

Hi Sat ... you working today?

Yup,,, got here about 2 hours ago,,, here till 10 tonight. i'm setting up LOTS of NFL games tonight

Doing 8 different games

635 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:35:13am

re: #623 jcm

His Weekly address?

His Weakly Address. I wish he would go with a Yearly Address.

636 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:35:26am

re: #589 opnion Yes I know about Oregon and I don't understand why the Senior citizens and chronically or terminally ill folks are putting up with it. SERIOUSLY.
If you aren't one of the benighted class, you will be one day and you probably have a family member(s) or Friend(s) who aready are.
Stupid, hateful pieces of shit that the Oregonian's are.

637 irongrampa  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:36:21am

Out on the lawn this AM with Wonder Lab, and it struck me that I haven't seen lawns this green in late August in a hella while.

Makes me wonder what kinda winter we'll have.

638 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:36:59am

re: #599 sattv4u2

Morning Rick

I was going to mention that. I heard Rush say that yesterday. Almost drove off the road laughing so hard !

Morning Satt. How are you?

639 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:37:27am

re: #637 irongrampa

Out on the lawn this AM with Wonder Lab, and it struck me that I haven't seen lawns this green in late August in a hella while.

Makes me wonder what kinda winter we'll have.

According to Al Gore, if we don't act RIGHT NOW, it will be a NUCLEAR ONE

OH NOES!!!

640 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:37:31am

re: #634 sattv4u2

Yup,,, got here about 2 hours ago,,, here till 10 tonight. i'm setting up LOTS of NFL games tonight

Doing 8 different games


Me too ... going in late tonight ... working on Baseball Tonight ... the Sox need to get their shit together after last night's debacle!

641 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:37:44am

re: #637 irongrampa

Out on the lawn this AM with Wonder Lab, and it struck me that I haven't seen lawns this green in late August in a hella while.

Makes me wonder what kinda winter we'll have.

Time to buy some silk long-johns.

642 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:37:56am

re: #638 VegasRick

Morning Satt. How are you?

Great, pumping up with caffien ,, LONG day at work ahaed

643 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:38:13am

Cash for Caskets;

Funds from funerals.


I just now made that one up.


BB

644 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:38:20am

re: #637 irongrampa

Out on the lawn this AM with Wonder Lab, and it struck me that I haven't seen lawns this green in late August in a hella while.

Makes me wonder what kinda winter we'll have.

Cool wet summer here in Jersey.
Was in Maine for a week and it was the first summer weather they have had. One lady said they were running their heater and fireplace in July.

645 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:38:28am
That's why the "stimulus" flopped. It didn't just fail to stimulate, it actively deterred stimulation, because it was the first explicit signal to America and the world that the Democrats' political priorities overrode everything else. If you're a business owner, why take on extra employees when cap-and-trade is promising increased regulatory costs, and health "reform" wants to stick you with an 8 percent tax for not having a company insurance plan? Obama's leviathan sends a consistent message to business and consumers alike: When he's spending this crazy, maybe the smart thing for you to do is hunker down until the dust's settled, and you get a better sense of just how broke he's going to make you. For this level of "community organization," there aren't enough of "the rich" to pay for it. That leaves you.

For Obama, government health care is the fastest way to a permanent left-of-center political culture in which all elections and most public discourse will be conducted on Democrat terms. It's no surprise that the president can't make a coherent economic or medical argument for Obamacare because that's not what it's about – and for all his cool he can't quite disguise that. Apropos a new poll, the Associated Press reports that Americans "are losing faith in Barack Obama."

"Losing faith"? Oh, no! Fall on your knees and beseech the One: "Give me a sign, O Lord!"

But he has. They're all along empty highways across rural New Hampshire: "This Massive Expansion Of Wasteful Statism Brought To You By Obama Marketing Inc."

646 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:38:28am

re: #640 _RememberTonyC

Me too ... going in late tonight ... working on Baseball Tonight ... the Sox need to get their shit together after last night's debacle!

I saw that,, SILVER LINING ,,, they had an offense last night

647 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:39:12am

re: #637 irongrampa

Out on the lawn this AM with Wonder Lab, and it struck me that I haven't seen lawns this green in late August in a hella while.

Makes me wonder what kinda winter we'll have.

Shitty. And I just moved up hill about 6 weeks ago. 8200 feet to be exact. This past Tuesday evening, it was raining and lightning and thundering and... SNOWING.

Everyone up here is suggesting that it's going to be a really snowy winter. And I mean more snowy than normal in the Colorado Rockies at 8200 feet.

Fun and games.

648 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:39:13am

Obama's weekly address Health Care...

Let’s start with the false claim that illegal immigrants will get health insurance under reform. That’s not true. Illegal immigrants would not be
covered.

EMTALA, Federal Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. ERs cannot turn anyone away. Unless HR3200 repeals EMTALA, not true.

Next!

649 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:39:29am

Why I don't trust right wing sources on economics news...

MARK STEYN: Stimulus Hits A Pothole. “Meanwhile, in Brazil, India, China, Japan and much of Continental Europe the recession has ended. In the second quarter this year, both the French and German economies grew by 0.3 percent, while the U.S. economy shrank by 1 percent. How can that be? Unlike America, France and Germany had no government stimulus worth speaking of, the Germans declining to go the Obama route on the quaint grounds that they couldn’t afford it. . . . And yet their recession has gone away.

Is this true? As a random fact check I chose to google "Germany Stimulus"...

Historic German Stimulus Package Sails Through Bundestag

I see no need for further fact checking.

650 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:39:33am

My youngest kid is going for his driver's license this friday ... gotta take him to practice backing into parking spots ... will check back later.

have a good one, everyone!

651 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:40:24am

re: #636 realwest

Yes I know about Oregon and I don't understand why the Senior citizens and chronically or terminally ill folks are putting up with it. SERIOUSLY.
If you aren't one of the benighted class, you will be one day and you probably have a family member(s) or Friend(s) who aready are.
Stupid, hateful pieces of shit that the Oregonian's are.

Oregon health care is like a futuristic fantasy. The problem is that it ios real & a smiling, stuttering president is tryin to foist it on the Nation.
The thing that is turning this around is the protestors at the Town Halls.
They are trying to destroy those people, "Evil Mongers, Haters ,a Mob"
Right, all the Soccer moms & elderly vets are sooo evil.

652 irongrampa  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:40:26am

re: #644 VioletTiger

Adirondacks here, same thing, cool and wet. Flippin' mosquitoes are lovin it, tho'.

653 VioletTiger  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:40:37am

I wonder if Obama knows that his health care bill does not match his description.
I don't think he even read it. He just took Pelosi's word for it.
Shaking off my shoes now.

654 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:41:06am

re: #642 sattv4u2

Great, pumping up with caffien ,, LONG day at work ahaed

Me too. Big drawing today, headcounts will be over 70%.

655 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:41:37am

re: #646 sattv4u2

I saw that,, SILVER LINING ,,, they had an offense last night


Sox can forget winning the east ... gotta focus on wild card and getting healthy for October. See you later!

656 KenJen  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:42:18am

re: #644 VioletTiger

Cool wet summer here in Jersey.
Was in Maine for a week and it was the first summer weather they have had. One lady said they were running their heater and fireplace in July.

We had the coldest July on record here in Kentucky. My tomato and squash plants never bloomed. I got a few green beans. Lots of fungus and mold due to so much rain. I liked global warming much better.

657 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:43:17am

re: #643 Ojoe

Cash for Caskets;

Funds from funerals.


I just now made that one up.


BB

658 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:44:03am

re: #617 wahabicorridor

And a lot of people think he didn't do it.

That was what Megrahi's appeal ought to ahve brought out: did he do it, or was it somebody else.
But - he withraw the appeal so that he could be released.

Now we'll never know - jistice certainly has not been done.

For me, this has the dirty fignerprints of NuLab all over it - they let the Scottish Nationalists carry the can, for deniability and so that NuLab can beat them at the next elections.

I'm sure the Scots won't forgive either Gord and NuLab nor the Scottish Nationalists.

659 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:44:11am

re: #649 Killgore Trout

Did it get final passage?

1st sentence from your link

Germany's lower house of parliament passed the largest stimulus package in the country's post-war history on Friday. Passage through the upper house, however, is far from a sure thing.

660 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:44:19am

re: #649 Killgore Trout

Why I don't trust right wing sources on economics news...


Is this true? As a random fact check I chose to google "Germany Stimulus"...

Historic German Stimulus Package Sails Through Bundestag

France and Germany had no government stimulus worth speaking of,

Merkel DECLINED a second round.
I see no need for further fact checking.

661 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:44:39am

re: #648 jcm

Obama's weekly address Health Care...

And we’ve all heard the charge that reform will somehow bring about a government takeover of health care

Next!

662 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:44:56am

re: #643 Ojoe

Cash for Caskets;

Funds from funerals.


I just now made that one up.


BB

Utopia through euthanasia

663 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:45:33am

re: #656 KenJen

We had the coldest July on record here in Kentucky. My tomato and squash plants never bloomed. I got a few green beans. Lots of fungus and mold due to so much rain. I liked global warming much better.

We didn't know how good we had it.

664 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:45:44am

re: #620 realwest

"Oh - and it wasn't a judge who released him, it was the Scottish Minister for Justice."
No doubt a member of Clan Campbell the dirty rotten bastids!

Heh!
If the MacAskills are a branch of Clan Campbell, then sure enough!

665 realwest  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:46:11am

Cool :
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 29% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 This is the first time since July 31 that the President’s Approval Index has fallen to negative double digits (see trends).

Sixty percent (60%) of liberal voters Strongly Approve while 68% of conservatives Strongly Disapprove. This creates a challenge for the President since there are roughly twice as many conservative voters as liberals. Among those who consider themselves politically moderate, 37% Strongly Approve while 18% Strongly Disapprove.

666 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:46:49am

re: #662 n in wi Dollars thru demising Bucks from burials

667 opnion  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:47:17am

Latrer , off to take the pup to be groomed.
I have to remember to take his shot records. He is very worried that he will not get Vet treatment under Obama Care.
See ya.

668 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:49:40am

re: #665 realwest

Cool :
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Saturday shows that 29% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Thirty-nine percent (39%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -10 This is the first time since July 31 that the President’s Approval Index has fallen to negative double digits (see trends).

Sixty percent (60%) of liberal voters Strongly Approve while 68% of conservatives Strongly Disapprove. This creates a challenge for the President since there are roughly twice as many conservative voters as liberals. Among those who consider themselves politically moderate, 37% Strongly Approve while 18% Strongly Disapprove.

But look what he inherited///

669 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:50:34am

re: #660 wahabicorridor

Germany approves €50bn stimulus package

Tuesday 27 January 2009 14.16 GMT


Chancellor Angela Merkel's cabinet approved a €50bn (£46.7bn) stimulus package today, the biggest programme in Europe, to tackle overcome the country's deepest economic crisis since the second world war.

The package will require a new borrowing level of €36.8bn, more than twice the amount planned for 2009 before the impact of the global crisis on Europe's largest economy was realised. It is also more than three times the amount forecast in the middle of last year. A controversial draft supplementary budget is planned to cover the leap in borrowing.

The programme is equivalent to 1.6% of gross domestic product, and is the biggest of its kind in German history.


It's too easy to check this stuff.

670 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:52:02am

re: #669 Killgore Trout

Germany approves €50bn stimulus package

Tuesday 27 January 2009 14.16 GMT


It's too easy to check this stuff.

re: #669 Killgore Trout

Germany approves €50bn stimulus package

Tuesday 27 January 2009 14.16 GMT


It's too easy to check this stuff.

If everyone jumps off a cliff...

671 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:53:39am

re: #669 Killgore Trout

Steyn only said 'to speak of ' compared to what the U.S. is doing, it's trivial.

One thing I DO think he could have pointed out is that one of the reasons the US and UK have been hit so much harder is because we're financial hubs.

672 n in wi  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:54:12am

re: #666 Ojoe

Dollars thru demising Bucks from burials


credit for cremation

673 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:54:25am

re: #670 jcm

My point is that Steyn's claim that the Germans didn't use a stimulus package is false. It's simply not true by any stretch of the imagination. I assume the rest of the fact and conclusions in his article are also false. It's why I don't read these guys anymore. They're not honest.

674 razorbacker  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:54:56am

re: #656 KenJen

We had the coldest July on record here in Kentucky. My tomato and squash plants never bloomed. I got a few green beans. Lots of fungus and mold due to so much rain. I liked global warming much better.

Okra. We have no okra. The plants are knee-high, instead of the usual reach-way-above-your-shoulders plants of years past.

I like fried okra. It says summertime just like cold sliced cucumber and onions. Something else that didn't produce much.

But, the corn will be spectacular, if we can get another week or two.

675 jcm  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:55:27am

re: #673 Killgore Trout

My point is that Steyn's claim that the Germans didn't use a stimulus package is false. It's simply not true by any stretch of the imagination. I assume the rest of the fact and conclusions in his article are also false. It's why I don't read these guys anymore. They're not honest.

Granted.

676 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:56:37am

re: #671 wahabicorridor

The largest government spending and debt in German history isn't what I consider "trivial", "historic" would be more appropriate.

677 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 8:59:18am

re: #673 Killgore Trout

My point is that Steyn's claim that the Germans didn't use a stimulus package is false.

Your claim is false. He said no stimulus TO SPEAK OF

678 wahabicorridor  Sat, Aug 22, 2009 9:00:23am

re: #672 n in wi

credit for cremation

mebbe we could set up a maket for trading cremation credits.


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