re: #577 Charles
Correction: there is such a standard, but it has nothing whatsoever to do with this case.
I did watch the tape finally, and Bill the old dude pretty much said he landed the first shot/punched him.
What I’m wondering (and this is more just a technical question because it doesn’t seem to apply in this case from what we know so far) is if, in CA, person #1 said to person #2 “I’m going to beat your face to a pulp in 3 seconds” and person #2 pre-emptively strikes person 1, are person #2’s actions defensible.
Again, I’m not hearing that this is the case with Bill the old dude, but I’m just curious all the same.