Report: Shots Fired Near Tennessee Mosque Site

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Police in Murfreesboro, Tennessee are investigating a report of shots fired near the site of a proposed Islamic center.

Rutherford County Sheriff’s deputies are investigating a complaint about shots being fired this afternoon near the construction site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro on Veals Road off Bradyville Pike.

The report came just hours after a fire of suspicious nature damaged construction equipment at the site.

A group of congregation members was at the site looking at the damage done to construction equipment by the fire overnight when they heard nine shots fired from two directions.

The incident occurred around 3:15 p.m. The congregation members reported hearing six shots coming from one direction, and about three minutes later they heard three more shots from another direction, said Saleh Sbenaty, a congregation member and MTSU professor.

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1 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:08:35pm

This is horrible... and I'm a horrible person because I want to watch Leverage more at the moment than talk with you guys about it...

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:13:49pm

Hopefully nothing to worry about.

3 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:15:11pm

They let Mooslims teach at MTSU? The next thing we 'Muricans know, they'll be letting Joos and them dark-skinned folks teach and study there! Dayum!

Getting serious, I hope some of the local construction companies donate equipment to the project to make up for the loss.

4 darthstar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:16:10pm

Okay, first arson, and now shots fired? What the fuck is wrong with our media that they think encouraging (and yes, they DO encourage) this kind of shit is acceptable?

5 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:16:41pm

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

Hopefully nothing to worry about.

I hope so, as gunfire in rural areas of the South is often nothing serious, but it's better to investigate and be sure than to let it go as "good ol' boys being good ol' boys" and find out later it was something.

6 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:19:32pm

re: #5 ClaudeMonet

I hope so, as gunfire in rural areas of the South is often nothing serious, but it's better to investigate and be sure than to let it go as "good ol' boys being good ol' boys" and find out later it was something.

True. In this case, I do hope that the gunfire was just hunting or target practice.

7 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:19:52pm

re: #5 ClaudeMonet

I hope so, as gunfire in rural areas of the South is often nothing serious, but it's better to investigate and be sure than to let it go as "good ol' boys being good ol' boys" and find out later it was something.

Is that area rural? (I have never been any where near the place)

8 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:20:14pm

Yes, well, shots were fired inside an LDS chapel today, killing a bishop.

He had six children, and it doesn't appear the shooter knew him personally.

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:21:07pm

Shots being fired near this site ... definitely something to worry about.

It's Tennessee, folks.

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:21:29pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Oh, geez...

WHAT IN TARNATION IS GOING ON?!

11 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:24:46pm

re: #7 brookly red

Is that area rural? (I have never been any where near the place)

Yes. It's in central Tennessee.

12 Bear  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:25:11pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Any news coverage by National Media? I only have internet no TV.

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:25:22pm

Hardly a rural area. Suburb of Nashville, FFS.

14 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:25:46pm

[Link: www.fresnobee.com...]

15 Bear  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:26:16pm

re: #14 EmmmieG

TNX

16 sagehen  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:28:39pm

I'm trying to dredge up a feeling of "omg, how suprising"... and I just can't do it. Sadly, this was just too predictable.

17 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:28:54pm

re: #3 ClaudeMonet

I'm guessing it's a Northern plant trying to draw attention away from Manhattan.
/

18 sagehen  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:29:34pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

True. In this case, I do hope that the gunfire was just hunting or target practice.

August isn't hunting season.

19 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:30:01pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Yes, well, shots were fired inside an LDS chapel today, killing a bishop.

He had six children, and it doesn't appear the shooter knew him personally.

Because of the anti-Muslim mood prevalent in the area, the probability the shots were not random is much higher there than in the LDS chapel.

For us to be concerned about the anti-Islam sentiment, and to focus on it does not mean there is no concern for the LDS chapel incident.

20 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:30:02pm

re: #12 Bear

Any news coverage by National Media? I only have internet no TV.

There won't be. It's Sunday night, most of the reporting staffs are home.

21 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:31:14pm

re: #18 sagehen

August isn't hunting season.

Shows what I know. Sorry about the error.

22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:33:03pm

When someone told me today that they "hoped someone bombs that Mosque in NYC", I told them... "And, when it kills 43 children, I will remind you that you said that. I will also remind you that you were part of the hate that made it happen."

What in the hell is happening? Seriously?

23 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:34:32pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

geeze. you are on the side of right.

24 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:34:43pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When someone told me today that they "hoped someone bombs that Mosque in NYC", I told them... "And, when it kills 43 children, I will remind you that you said that. I will also remind you that you were part of the hate that made it happen."

What in the hell is happening? Seriously?

People are letting their hate turn them evil.

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:34:55pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Because of the anti-Muslim mood prevalent in the area, the probability the shots were not random is much higher there than in the LDS chapel.

For us to be concerned about the anti-Islam sentiment, and to focus on it does not mean there is no concern for the LDS chapel incident.

The shooter walked into the church, asked for the leader, and shot him. That's not random, although I am not hazarding any guesses about motive.

26 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:38:09pm

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hardly a rural area. Suburb of Nashville, FFS.

One county south of Davidson County (Nashville). Part suburban, part rural.

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:38:48pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

Yes, well, shots were fired inside an LDS chapel today, killing a bishop.

He had six children, and it doesn't appear the shooter knew him personally.

Oh my God.

I am so sorry to hear that. Do they have someone in custody? Where was this?

28 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:39:41pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh my God.

I am so sorry to hear that. Do they have someone in custody? Where was this?


I believe the shooter was killed...

29 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:40:03pm

re: #9 Charles

Shots being fired near this site ... definitely something to worry about.

It's Tennessee, folks.

It's domestic terrorism coming from bigots with firearms.

30 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:40:35pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh my God.

I am so sorry to hear that. Do they have someone in custody? Where was this?

Visalia, which you probably know more about than I do.

I first heard about it on facebook, because he was the bishop of an old friend.

The shooter has also been shot. He called the police and was then somehow shot.

The story is, obviously, still developing.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:40:42pm

re: #28 brookly red

I believe the shooter was killed...

Me hopes so!

32 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:41:33pm

Just for the record, I am also opposed to religious harassment of Muslims, too.

33 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:42:10pm

re: #9 Charles

Shots being fired near this site ... definitely something to worry about.

It's Tennessee, folks.

What does that mean?

34 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:43:15pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Me hopes so!

I don't. When shooters are killed, they take a lot of information with them. They need to be kept alive, if only for study and prevention.

35 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:44:01pm

re: #11 Dark_Falcon

Yes. It's in central Tennessee.

Rural? Look at Murfreesboro's Wiki.

36 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:44:02pm

re: #33 MandyManners

What does that mean?

Tennessee has some unfortunate history.

37 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:44:13pm

..and about three minutes later they heard three more shots from another direction..
To me, this suggests that perhaps all the shots were fired from some vehicle.

38 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:44:17pm

It is time for humanity to take a really long break from organized religion.

1,000 years at least.

I was raised Catholic, & I'm about 40 years into my quits, since about age 20.

I'll cling to religion on my own, in the privacy of my own mind, and mostly shut up about it.

39 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:44:28pm

re: #25 EmmmieG

The shooter walked into the church, asked for the leader, and shot him. That's not random, although I am not hazarding any guesses about motive.

The anti-Islam action, if that is what it is, is part of a larger, wide spread social mood, whereas the LDS murder was probably by a nut case with a grudge against the church.

40 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:46:05pm

re: #4 darthstar

W5 is their job.

41 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:46:26pm

re: #37 abolitionist

..and about three minutes later they heard three more shots from another direction..
To me, this suggests that perhaps all the shots were fired from some vehicle.

I will wait for the investigation.

42 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:46:31pm

re: #35 MandyManners

Rural? Look at Murfreesboro's Wiki.

Displayed that I was wrong. Oops. :(

43 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:46:36pm

re: #39 b_sharp

Ironic that Joe Smith met such an end too.

44 osprey34229  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:47:46pm

re: #9 Charles

Shots being fired near this site ... definitely something to worry about.

It's Tennessee, folks.

Stereotyping !

45 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:47:57pm

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville? Religious and secular groups have extended their hands to them starting after the First Gulf War.

But, NoooOOO. They must be bigots in Tennessee. All of them. Bigots. Buncha' fucking gap-toothed bigots. Who never wore shoes until they climbed on that great Greyhound bus on their way to Ohio or Indiana.

46 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:48:29pm

re: #36 Charles

Tennessee has some unfortunate history.

Please, show me which state that does not.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:48:32pm

re: #43 Ojoe

Ironic that Joe Smith met such an end too.

Not really irony. It shows that Mormonism is still attacked by violent assholes.

48 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:49:02pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

True.

49 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:49:13pm

re: #44 osprey34229

Stereotyping !

yes, with lots of practice I can now type with 2 fingers...

50 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:49:49pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Please, show me which state that does not.

Yeah, but Tennessee is the state where Nathan Bedford Forrest founded the Ku Klux Klan.

51 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:50:31pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but Tennessee is the state where Nathan Bedford Forrest founded the Ku Klux Klan.

So? What about the Knights of the Golden Circle? Hmmm?

52 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:50:42pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville? Religious and secular groups have extended their hands to them starting after the First Gulf War.

But, NoooOOO. They must be bigots in Tennessee. All of them. Bigots. Buncha' fucking gap-toothed bigots. Who never wore shoes until they climbed on that great Greyhound bus on their way to Ohio or Indiana.

Holy shit, it's in your back yard (TN) so why dont you report on it, rather than get offended by it?

Please. You are on the ground. Report

53 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:50:52pm

Muslim-directed pig effigy labeled hate crime in US

An effigy of a pig has been left in the mailbox of a California Muslim organization as a protest against the proposed Islamic centre in New York City.

The Sacramento Valley chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations has called for an investigation of the incident, which it has referred to as a hate crime.

The mock pig which was left at the California Islamic centre was inscribed with the words: "No Mosque in NYC."

It was also inscribed with "Remember 9/11" and "MOHAMMED the Pig."

Spokesmen for the local Muslim community have described the incident as a further symptom of the growing anti-Muslim bigotry nationwide, "sparked by the hysterical smear campaign targeting the planned Islamic community centre in Manhattan."

54 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:51:11pm

re: #46 MandyManners

Please, show me which state that does not.

Report Mandy. Don't get offended. Report.

55 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:51:55pm

re: #7 brookly red

Is that area rural? (I have never been any where near the place)

No, it is not rural. It is just on the edge of Murfreesboro.

56 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:52:38pm

It might be a coincidence but the Muslim community is understandably frightened by recent developments.

57 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:53:04pm

re: #52 Stanley Sea

Holy shit, it's in your back yard (TN) so why dont you report on it, rather than get offended by it?

Please. You are on the ground. Report

Mandy is laying low from her X, and not in TN, as I understand it.

58 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:53:19pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, but Tennessee is the state where Nathan Bedford Forrest founded the Ku Klux Klan.

Not all of Tennessee was pro-Confederacy. The mountainous region was Union.

BTW, how many federal troops did the federal government have to send into Tennessee in order to desegrate the schools? How many churches were bombed in Tennessee? How many voter-registration workers were killed in Tennessee?

59 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:53:29pm

FWIW...

THE DAILY SHOW JUST WON THE EMMY.

60 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:53:56pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It might be a coincidence but the Muslim community is understandably frightened by recent developments.

No shit. I would be, too.

61 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:54:03pm

Visalia is not too far from Clovis, California, which does have some KKK presence, I've heard.

62 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:54:07pm

re: #55 tnguitarist

No, it is not rural. It is just on the edge of Murfreesboro.

Such bullshit push back.

Defend. don't make excuses.


tnguitarist - know I'm just using your comment.

63 cliffster  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:54:13pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville? Religious and secular groups have extended their hands to them starting after the First Gulf War.

But, NoooOOO. They must be bigots in Tennessee. All of them. Bigots. Buncha' fucking gap-toothed bigots. Who never wore shoes until they climbed on that great Greyhound bus on their way to Ohio or Indiana.

there's fashionable stereotyping, and unfashionable stereotyping..

64 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:54:22pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It might be a coincidence but the Muslim community is understandably frightened by recent developments.

Sorry, Kilgore. I shouldn't have let my snark over-flow.

65 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:54:31pm

re: #51 MandyManners

So? What about the Knights of the Golden Circle? Hmmm?

They did far less and were extinct by the end of 1864.

66 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:54:32pm

Murfreesboro is a college town. It's pretty progressive as far as the south goes.

67 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:54:52pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

It might be a coincidence but the Muslim community is understandably frightened by recent developments.

There must be some mistake! I seem to have read recently that the atmosphere in this country is more hostile toward evangelical Christians than toward Muslims:

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

68 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:55:39pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Such bullshit push back.

Defend. don't make excuses.

tnguitarist - know I'm just using your comment.

I'm just letting everyone know the layout of the place. I can almost guarantee you that it was not 'random gunfire'.

69 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:55:55pm

re: #63 cliffster

there's fashionable stereotyping, and unfashionable stereotyping..

Spot on.

70 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:56:07pm

re: #54 Stanley Sea

Report Mandy. Don't get offended. Report.

Spare.

Have you made a statement on this thread?

Or you are just going to down ding me for asking those actually in Tennessee to comment?

Stupid LGF battle Spare.

71 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:56:40pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Not all of Tennessee was pro-Confederacy. The mountainous region was Union.

BTW, how many federal troops did the federal government have to send into Tennessee in order to desegrate the schools? How many churches were bombed in Tennessee? How many voter-registration workers were killed in Tennessee?

Because racism only goes back to the 60s...riiiiight. No Jim Crow in Tennessee...

72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:57:14pm

re: #61 Ojoe

Visalia is not too far from Clovis, California, which does have some KKK presence, I've heard.

Must be transplants from Tennessee.

73 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:57:16pm

re: #57 abolitionist

I thought she had his balls.

so sorry to tread into the domestic problem.

Read all the posts. all of them.

74 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:57:43pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

They did far less and were extinct by the end of 1864.

The help they extended sustained a lot of morale. And, just because the group broke up does not mean that the individuals walked away.

75 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:58:08pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Not all of Tennessee was pro-Confederacy. The mountainous region was Union.

BTW, how many federal troops did the federal government have to send into Tennessee in order to desegrate the schools? How many churches were bombed in Tennessee? How many voter-registration workers were killed in Tennessee?

Yes, East Tennessee was loyal and remained a Republican area even while the rest of the state was solidly Democratic for generations.

Tennessee has had many race problems, but it was also the only Southern state not to be part of Military Reconstruction and was readmitted to the Union in 1866 (the first Southern state to be readmitted).

76 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:58:11pm

Tennessee? The dude must be a leftist.

/

77 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:58:18pm

re: #71 McSpiff

Because racism only goes back to the 60s...riiight. No Jim Crow in Tennessee...

I'm not pushing back on this. I definitely think racism was involved. But I would also like to say that I just moved back from Buffalo and there was plenty of racism there.

78 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:58:30pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Not all of Tennessee was pro-Confederacy. The mountainous region was Union.

BTW, how many federal troops did the federal government have to send into Tennessee in order to desegrate the schools? How many churches were bombed in Tennessee? How many voter-registration workers were killed in Tennessee?

Runs about half of Texas, Georgia, or Mississippi in the Tuskeegee lynching stats. Still, the Lorraine Motel made a poor impression.

79 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:58:32pm

re: #71 McSpiff

Because racism only goes back to the 60s...riiight. No Jim Crow in Tennessee...

Are you really trying to put words in my mouth?

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:58:48pm

re: #61 Ojoe

Visalia is not too far from Clovis, California, which does have some KKK presence, I've heard.

They're between Bakersfield and Fresno, out in the Valley.

81 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:59:23pm

Gotta bug out. The new Inspector Lewis is on PBS.

82 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:59:25pm

The Tennessee Unionists were a brave lot.

83 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:59:51pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Yes, East Tennessee was loyal and remained a Republican area even while the rest of the state was solidly Democratic for generations.

Tennessee has had many race problems, but it was also the only Southern state not to be part of Military Reconstruction and was readmitted to the Union in 1866 (the first Southern state to be readmitted).

Stop talking sense. You're fucking with the meme.

84 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:00:02pm

re: #79 MandyManners

Are you really trying to put words in my mouth?

Well what was the point of your post then? Because trying to argue Tennessee doesn't have a racist history is quite frankly ignorant.

85 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:00:15pm

Okay done with Leverage, Dark you can star doing Civil War Woods...

86 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:00:17pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Yes, East Tennessee was loyal and remained a Republican area even while the rest of the state was solidly Democratic for generations.

Tennessee has had many race problems, but it was also the only Southern state not to be part of Military Reconstruction and was readmitted to the Union in 1866 (the first Southern state to be readmitted).

Andrew Johnson was from Tennessee and that is why he was chosen to be Lincoln's running mate in 1864. Too bad he was such a sucky President.

87 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:00:46pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville? Religious and secular groups have extended their hands to them starting after the First Gulf War.

But, NoooOOO. They must be bigots in Tennessee. All of them. Bigots. Buncha' fucking gap-toothed bigots. Who never wore shoes until they climbed on that great Greyhound bus on their way to Ohio or Indiana.

That's true.

I can't say I know the state well, but I have spent some time in Nashville on various trips. That city is anything but a backwater and is pretty sophisticated to boot.

Tennessee is not what a lot of people think it is.

The same can be said for NC, where I am. While there are significant rural components to the state, the influence of Duke, UNC, NC State and over 30 other colleges and universities has a greater impact on the state than most people can imagine.

88 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01:16pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Not all of Tennessee was pro-Confederacy. The mountainous region was Union.

BTW, how many federal troops did the federal government have to send into Tennessee in order to desegrate the schools? How many churches were bombed in Tennessee? How many voter-registration workers were killed in Tennessee?

This would make a snappy tourism slogan. Tennessee: "Hey now, this ain't Alabama."

/Mississippi Goddamn!

Youtube Video
89 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01:20pm

re: #9 Charles

I'd love to hear more about what means.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01:22pm

re: #68 tnguitarist

I'm just letting everyone know the layout of the place. I can almost guarantee you that it was not 'random gunfire'.

I hear random gunfire around here, and we're not rural at all. No chance it was just some kids shooting, or a gang thing?

(No idea, have never been in the area.)

91 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01:26pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

It's hot out there. Used to cross the valley on the way to hike the Sierra; & go north and south down the center on family vacations in the 50s and 60s. All kinds of stuff can take root out there.

92 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01:44pm

re: #71 McSpiff

Because racism only goes back to the 60s...riiight. No Jim Crow in Tennessee...

oh, what we have reiterate!

93 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:01:55pm

re: #77 tnguitarist

I'm not pushing back on this. I definitely think racism was involved. But I would also like to say that I just moved back from Buffalo and there was plenty of racism there.

Oh, no. Racism only exists in states below the Mason-Dixon line, and in Red States.

Let's not talk about the riots in Boston during Desegregation.

94 Grimalkin  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:02:23pm

I live in an OLD southern community, out side of Birmingham, AL. I'd say a suburb but the houses here are all over a 100 years old, and gunfire I swear, is just a fact of life. New Years Eve, Fourth of July, Friday/Saturday night, Uncle Fred's birthday, Aunt Jane's Anniversary, as well as, all major and minor disputes. After last New year I had to replace 2 windows. The contractor repainting my roof found 2 bullets of different calibers that didn't go through and one that did. I have a neighbor who hunts squirrel/cat/dog anytime of the year in our back alley. I wouldn't say it's a bad neighborhood, not a high crime area, no gang activity, just a lot of folks black and white with guns and no sense. I could see some one taking an offense to something and just letting off steam by firing a few off into the air.
Doesn't make it right, but around here it's not a matter that the police seem to take seriously, unless someone gets hurt, then it depends on who you are.
maybe they have the same 'laissez faire' attitude up there.

95 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:02:39pm

re: #89 Radical Rafe

I'd love to hear more about what means.

Karma: -14

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96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:02:45pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Must be transplants from Tennessee.

My great-grandfather tried to join the Klan in Fresno, way back in the 20s.

And no, he was not from Tennessee.

Wow! Turns out that regional stereotyping will upset people. Who'da thunk it? Certainly not a person like myself from the hateful moonbat wilds of the Bay Area.

97 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:03:17pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

I hear random gunfire around here, and we're not rural at all. No chance it was just some kids shooting, or a gang thing?

(No idea, have never been in the area.)

It's kind of on the edge of town. Not urban by any means. I may drive up some time this week and get some pics to give everyone an idea about the place.

98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:04:25pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Ha!

Shit-heads are teeming and boundless everywhere. And not only in the USA.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:04:34pm

re: #87 researchok

That's true.

I can't say I know the state well, but I have spent some time in Nashville on various trips. That city is anything but a backwater and is pretty sophisticated to boot.

Tennessee is not what a lot of people think it is.

The same can be said for NC, where I am. While there are significant rural components to the state, the influence of Duke, UNC, NC State and over 30 other colleges and universities has a greater impact on the state than most people can imagine.

My SIL is living outside of Nashville these days. She was pretty pissed off about the mosque situation--with a husband in Afghanistan, she's pretty sure she knows the difference between scary and non-scary Muslims.

Have to check in with her about what the local news is saying.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:05:07pm

re: #91 Ojoe

It's hot out there. Used to cross the valley on the way to hike the Sierra; & go north and south down the center on family vacations in the 50s and 60s. All kinds of stuff can take root out there.

My father, who grew up in Fresno, likes to refer to it as 'Siberia with palm trees'.

101 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:05:19pm

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Runs about half of Texas, Georgia, or Mississippi in the Tuskeegee lynching stats. Still, the Lorraine Motel made a poor impression.

So? Blame an entire state for the evil deeds of someone from Illinois?

102 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:05:25pm

re: #85 jamesfirecat

Okay done with Leverage, Dark you can star doing Civil War Woods...

OK, in a little bit.

103 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:05:29pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

My great-grandfather tried to join the Klan in Fresno, way back in the 20s.

And no, he was not from Tennessee.

Wow! Turns out that regional stereotyping will upset people. Who'da thunk it? Certainly not a person like myself from the hateful moonbat wilds of the Bay Area.

I was born and raised in Detroit. Still live here, but on the other side of 8 Mile.

Regional stereotyping? Tell me about it.

104 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:05:41pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

I hear random gunfire around here, and we're not rural at all. No chance it was just some kids shooting, or a gang thing?

(No idea, have never been in the area.)


we have our inner city share gun fire here too... rule of thumb is hearings shots is only a matter of concern if they are followed by sirens.

105 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:05:51pm

I think racism tends to be a rural problem as much as a regional problem. Does Tennessee have a racist past? Sure does. But laying that blanket across the entire region does nothing but draw battle lines where there need not be any.

106 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:05:54pm

re: #82 Ojoe

The Tennessee Unionists were a brave lot.

107 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:06:05pm

re: #93 MandyManners

Oh, no. Racism only exists in states below the Mason-Dixon line, and in Red States.

Let's not talk about the riots in Boston during Desegregation.

So what are you trying to argue? That the south just had 'acceptable' levels of racism? Congrats, you can post examples of Northern racism. How many lynchings does the detroit race riots undo?

108 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:06:13pm
Born on a mountain top in Tennessee,
Greenest state in the land of the free,
Raised in the woods so he knew every tree,
Killed himself a bear when he was only three
Davy, Davy Crockett, king of the wild frontier!

MURDERER!

109 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:06:38pm

re: #84 McSpiff

Well what was the point of your post then? Because trying to argue Tennessee doesn't have a racist history is quite frankly ignorant.

Again, you are putting words in my mouth.

Please, show me where I stated the opposite.

110 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:07:10pm

re: #108 Spare O'Lake

MURDERER!

I can't recall who sings that as 'was killed in a bar when he was only three'.

111 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:07:47pm

re: #105 tnguitarist

racism is a problem in a person's mind & thus it is a portable problem

112 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:08:02pm

re: #87 researchok

That's true.

I can't say I know the state well, but I have spent some time in Nashville on various trips. That city is anything but a backwater and is pretty sophisticated to boot.

Tennessee is not what a lot of people think it is.

The same can be said for NC, where I am. While there are significant rural components to the state, the influence of Duke, UNC, NC State and over 30 other colleges and universities has a greater impact on the state than most people can imagine.

Get with the meme: SOUTHERNERS ARE BIGOTS.

113 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:08:07pm

re: #109 MandyManners

Again, you are putting words in my mouth.

Please, show me where I stated the opposite.

Here's a tip, if you actually made a damn point you wouldn't have the rest of the blog guessing. So what does the lack of federal troops prove Mandy?

114 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:08:14pm

re: #87 researchok

That's true.

I can't say I know the state well, but I have spent some time in Nashville on various trips. That city is anything but a backwater and is pretty sophisticated to boot.

Tennessee is not what a lot of people think it is.

The same can be said for NC, where I am. While there are significant rural components to the state, the influence of Duke, UNC, NC State and over 30 other colleges and universities has a greater impact on the state than most people can imagine.

All I ever see is denial, in the base of "I'm from here and I'm good."

Bullshit.

Don't defend, it makes you look weak or scared. Stand up.

So simple to me

115 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:08:16pm

re: #98 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ha!

Shit-heads are teeming and boundless everywhere. And not only in the USA.

well then this Buds for you...

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

116 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:08:53pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Get with the meme: SOUTHERNERS ARE BIGOTS.

Not Dolly Parton

117 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:09:19pm

BBL

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:09:49pm

re: #116 Ojoe

Not Dolly Parton

I love Dolly! Actually, I love lady country singers in general. But Dolly is very special. Her and Loretta Lynn.

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:09:59pm

re: #115 brookly red

There's some, right there!

120 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:10:21pm

re: #110 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't recall who sings that as 'was killed in a bar when he was only three'.

Hahahahahahahahahaha...that's so funny...hahahahaha.
Thanks, I needed a laugh.

121 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:11:01pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Get with the meme: SOUTHERNERS ARE BIGOTS.

That's not what's being said. The South, including Tennessee, had a serious racism problem, parts of which still survive. That does not make all Southerners bigots.

122 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:11:30pm

re: #113 McSpiff

Calm down, Newfie.

123 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:11:38pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Get with the meme: SOUTHERNERS ARE BIGOTS.

Yep.

No special reason to worry when people fire guns at an Islamic center construction site in Tennessee. Right after an arson incident.

Tennessee is being unfairly maligned. Let's complain about that!

124 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:12:08pm

re: #101 MandyManners

So? Blame an entire state for the evil deeds of someone from Illinois?

Waaah.

Why don't you just go and protest against the Mosque? Just do it, and report back, please?

125 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:12:27pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

This would make a snappy tourism slogan. Tennessee: "Hey now, this ain't Alabama."

/Mississippi Goddamn!

[Video]

Send your snappy slogan to the Tennessee tourism folks. I'm sure they'll give it its due consideration.

126 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:12:45pm

Kevin Costner went to high school for a semester in Visalia, CA. Visalia, it seems, had the first enclosed shopping mall in California. And has a Buddhist temple.

And crazed gunmen.

Spiffy.

127 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:12:52pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

All I ever see is denial, in the base of "I'm from here and I'm good."

Bullshit.

Don't defend, it makes you look weak or scared. Stand up.

So simple to me

You have a fair point, Stan, to be sure

That said, the South has been stigmatized- not unlike Detroit or Oakland. That's a heavy load.

128 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:13:07pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

This would make a snappy tourism slogan. Tennessee: "Hey now, this ain't Alabama."

/Mississippi Goddamn!

[Video]


And, how dare you take the Lord's name in vain over such a trivial issue?

129 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:13:13pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

Why not just stick with downdinging? makes you so much easier to ignore.

130 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:13:57pm

re: #128 MandyManners

And, how dare you take the Lord's name in vain over such a trivial issue?

Weak concern troll is weak. God damn.

131 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:14:32pm

re: #127 researchok

You have a fair point, Stan, to be sure

That said, the South has been stigmatized- not unlike Detroit or Oakland. That's a heavy load.

Well the stigmatism is earned i.e. they were lynching people a hundred years after the south lost the civil war.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:14:33pm

VISALIA, Calif.—Law enforcement officers in Visalia are investigating a shooting at a Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints that left a Mormon church official dead.

Police officers say Clay Sannar, a lay bishop of the church, was shot in his office during a break between scheduled Sunday services.

Minutes later, a caller identified himself to police as the shooter. Police contacted the suspect, and the suspect was shot.

Visalia police say they've handed the investigation over to Tulare County Sheriff's deputies because of the police officer's involvement.

The suspect's condition was not immediately released.

The website of Soil Basics fertilizer company identifies Sannar as the general manager.

Church officials say he had six children.

Not clear if the suspect is dead. What a mess.

133 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:14:49pm

re: #94 Grimalkin

I live in an OLD southern community, out side of Birmingham, AL. I'd say a suburb but the houses here are all over a 100 years old, and gunfire I swear, is just a fact of life. New Years Eve, Fourth of July, Friday/Saturday night, Uncle Fred's birthday, Aunt Jane's Anniversary, as well as, all major and minor disputes. After last New year I had to replace 2 windows. The contractor repainting my roof found 2 bullets of different calibers that didn't go through and one that did. I have a neighbor who hunts squirrel/cat/dog anytime of the year in our back alley. I wouldn't say it's a bad neighborhood, not a high crime area, no gang activity, just a lot of folks black and white with guns and no sense. I could see some one taking an offense to something and just letting off steam by firing a few off into the air.
Doesn't make it right, but around here it's not a matter that the police seem to take seriously, unless someone gets hurt, then it depends on who you are.
maybe they have the same 'laissez faire' attitude up there.

134 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:15:06pm

Can we please stop bickering? This is going to get us in trouble if it keeps up.

135 spikester  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:15:44pm

re: #8 EmmmieG

very sad

136 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:15:46pm

A fascinating response to this story at LGF.

137 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:15:48pm

re: #131 Amory Blaine

Well the stigmatism is earned i.e. they were lynching people a hundred years after the south lost the civil war.

And Detroit, Oakland, Chicago, etc?

138 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:15:48pm

re: #112 MandyManners

Get with the meme: SOUTHERNERS ARE BIGOTS.

I'm not sure that a person who treated the Arab word for God to metaphorical urinary water sports, for years, is going to be the ideal candidate to convey this bit of nuance.

139 Digital Display  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:15:59pm

Discovery Channel: Bad Universe NEW. Series premiere. 'Astroid Apocalypse' Phil Plait investigates...(Story line)
Phil got his own show on the Discovery Channel! Way to go Phil!

140 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:16:02pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville? Religious and secular groups have extended their hands to them starting after the First Gulf War.

But, NoooOOO. They must be bigots in Tennessee. All of them. Bigots. Buncha' fucking gap-toothed bigots. Who never wore shoes until they climbed on that great Greyhound bus on their way to Ohio or Indiana.

"You people"?

You mean you're not a Lizard, too?

Sorry your shoe pinches.

141 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:16:52pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, I'd rather get in trouble on a blog than watch some of the lizards here attempt to rewrite history. Sorry Charles, we aren't always the most gracious house guests.

142 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:17:09pm

re: #121 Dark_Falcon

That's not what's being said. The South, including Tennessee, had a serious racism problem, parts of which still survive. That does not make all Southerners bigots.

ohhh, but others will defend it to the fucking BLOG DEATH

143 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:17:16pm

re: #137 researchok

And Detroit, Oakland, Chicago, etc?

Sorry, I must have missed the larger point, what about those cities?

144 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:17:46pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville? Religious and secular groups have extended their hands to them starting after the First Gulf War.

But, NoooOOO. They must be bigots in Tennessee. All of them. Bigots. Buncha' fucking gap-toothed bigots. Who never wore shoes until they climbed on that great Greyhound bus on their way to Ohio or Indiana.

Guess how I can tell you're from Tennessee.

145 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:17:59pm

It's sort of interesting. If you pull up the news for Visalia, the top story now is this murder.

Then, below it, details of a game between the Visalia Rawhide and the Modesto Nuts.

Then, 'Four Arrested for DUI at Visalia Checkpoint",

and then a story about a liquor store sting.

They're not used to big crime in Visalia.

146 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:19:13pm

re: #137 researchok

And Detroit, Oakland, Chicago, etc?

I do not remember any lynchings in Detroit during my lifetime. There were were no lynchings in 1967, during the "Great Riot" which caused the "Great White Stampede Across 8 Mile" of '68.

147 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:19:26pm

re: #143 Amory Blaine

Sorry, I must have missed the larger point, what about those cities?

Those cities have been equally stigmatized.

148 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:19:50pm

re: #123 Charles

Yep.

No special reason to worry when people fire guns at an Islamic center construction site in Tennessee. Right after an arson incident.

Tennessee is being unfairly maligned. Let's complain about that!

The first concern, from the "locals" was the construction company's equipment eh?

bullshitsadpitiful.com

149 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:20:09pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville? Religious and secular groups have extended their hands to them starting after the First Gulf War.

But, NoooOOO. They must be bigots in Tennessee. All of them. Bigots. Buncha' fucking gap-toothed bigots. Who never wore shoes until they climbed on that great Greyhound bus on their way to Ohio or Indiana.

It may be unfair to make the assumption that what happened is ethnically motivated, but its all about probability. Because of the history of the area, and the prevailing mood in conservative states the probability this is ethnically based is significantly higher than zero.

As far as the good things that have gone on in the area, unfortunately we humans tend to give a higher weighting to bad things than we do good things. I believe it is because the potential consequences of bad things have a more lasting impact than good things, but I could be wrong.

That and the fact there are more potential bad things out there.

150 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:20:25pm

[Link: www.statemaster.com...]

[Link: www.statemaster.com...]

151 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:20:31pm

re: #147 researchok

Those cities have been equally stigmatized.

Yeah but they earned it. Detroit is a Third World shithole, and the only place where the U.S. side of the border looks worse than the non-U.S. side.

152 MandyManners  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:21:01pm

re: #123 Charles

Yep.

No special reason to worry when people fire guns at an Islamic center construction site in Tennessee. Right after an arson incident.

Tennessee is being unfairly maligned. Let's complain about that!

I don't believe I have ever dinged you but, I did so tonight.

I believe that speaks volumes, Charles.

BTW, did you condem Washington State when Naveed Afzal Haq shot up the Seattle Jewish Federation building?

Does anyone even remember that?

153 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:21:31pm

re: #139 HoosierHoops

*waves*
Phil's on the teevee?
WOW!

154 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:21:31pm

re: #152 MandyManners


was the kkk founded in washington state

155 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:21:43pm

re: #152 MandyManners

I don't believe I have ever dinged you but, I did so tonight.

I believe that speaks volumes, Charles.

Yes, it certainly does, and you're welcome to take your comments elsewhere.

156 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:21:47pm

re: #151 Alouette

Yeah but they earned it. Detroit is a Third World shithole, and the only place where the U.S. side of the border looks worse than the non-U.S. side.

That's what happens when an entire industrial base up and leaves a region.

It will be interesting to see how Texas looks after every drop of oil disappears.

157 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:22:30pm

re: #9 Charles


Yes, it is. And people fire guns around here all the fucking time.

So can we just keep our pants on until some more facts emerge?

158 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:23:16pm

re: #128 MandyManners

And, how dare you take the Lord's name in vain over such a trivial issue?

CAN I BE THE FIRST TO SAY LOL?

no, I'm probably not.

Go Jesus!

159 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:23:21pm

re: #146 Alouette

I do not remember any lynchings in Detroit during my lifetime. There were were no lynchings in 1967, during the "Great Riot" which caused the "Great White Stampede Across 8 Mile" of '68.

Lynchings aren't the only reason cities are stigmatized,

Violence, failure, poor economies due to bad government, riots, shootings, gangs, etc all contribute to the stigmatization of a city or community.

160 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:23:27pm

Did I take a wrong turn somewhere? I could have sworn this was LGF. When the fuck did it turn into Bartertown?

161 Gus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:23:45pm

re: #152 MandyManners

I don't believe I have ever dinged you but, I did so tonight.

I believe that speaks volumes, Charles.

BTW, did you condem Washington State when Naveed Afzal Haq shot up the Seattle Jewish Federation building?

Does anyone even remember that?

I fail to see where Charles has maligned Tennessee. That's clearly not his point.

162 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:23:59pm

In fact, this is the final straw. I'm not willing to indulge bigots any more, no matter how long they've been posting comments here. I've seen more than enough.

163 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:24:03pm

re: #159 researchok

Lynchings aren't the only reason cities are stigmatized,

Violence, failure, poor economies due to bad government, riots, shootings, gangs, etc all contribute to the stigmatization of a city or community.

I never said Detroit didn't deserve to be stigmatized.

164 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:24:08pm

motherfucker bee.

hello

165 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:24:21pm

re: #152 MandyManners

All religious violence is wrong, Mandy. Does anyone remember the 43 souls obliterated by an Islamist maniac in Algeria in 2008? Does anyone remember the murder of Stephenie Crow? Does anyone remember when Paul Johnson was beheaded by terrorists in Iraq in 2004?

No. And soon no one will remember this. Crime and violence happen everyday in this world. We report it, express contrived sorrow and move on.

166 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:24:52pm

Goodness gracious. It's like this. I can almost guarantee you that some racist fuck set the place on fire and fired the shots. But some people would have you think that every person in Tennessee is a damn racist.

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:02pm

re: #152 MandyManners

I don't believe I have ever dinged you but, I did so tonight.

I believe that speaks volumes, Charles.

BTW, did you condem Washington State when Naveed Afzal Haq shot up the Seattle Jewish Federation building?

Does anyone even remember that?

Yes, I remember that.

My mother works for a Jewish agency. In California, not Washington.

I was damn near out of my mind.

Two notes, though: If he'd had an Anglo name, I believe people would have immediately defaulted to stereotypes of eastern Washington state folks.

And secondly, I'm quite sure that the lizards past and present made immediate note of the name he actually had.

168 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:22pm

re: #165 Max D. Reinhardt

Hopefully we learn from it.

169 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:23pm

Oh shit.

170 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:28pm
Youtube Video
171 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:29pm

C'mon, folks. I'm sure this was just an ordinary redneck who was celebrating getting his first hard-on in years after watching a Geller swimsuit vlog.

172 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:39pm

re: #163 Alouette

I never said Detroit didn't deserve to be stigmatized.

I don't think they ought to be. They have had bad governments making bad decisions for a long time.

173 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:41pm

re: #111 Ojoe

racism is a problem in a person's mind & thus it is a portable problem

It also makes it contagious.

174 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:25:49pm

re: #164 Stanley Sea

contact

175 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:26:03pm

re: #164 Stanley Sea

hello, friend. :)

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:26:05pm

re: #157 Radical Rafe

Yes, it is. And people fire guns around here all the fucking time.

So can we just keep our pants on until some more facts emerge?

I don't think I've ever agreed with you before, Rafe, but I do think it's wise to stand by. A lot of people have guns out there. If I were in the local community, especially if I were a Muslim, this would make me nuts, but let's wait and see.

177 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:26:06pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

C'mon, folks. I'm sure this was just an ordinary redneck who was celebrating getting his first hard-on in years after watching a Geller swimsuit vlog.

Ewww.

178 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:26:30pm

Hey, guess what? My provincial government engaged in ethnic cleansing. Yup, we kicked out the French. Many of their descendants now inhabit New Orleans. We've made a lot of progress since then, and have really attempted to document and raise awareness of what occurred.

Now Mandy, watch this: What happened was totally and completely wrong. Ethnic cleansing is never justified. Its a black mark on our history that we need to accept.

This petite nationalism is bullshit, and I don't care what state or province you hail from. White washing history because you feel it reflects poorly on you is beyond the pale IMHO.

179 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:26:37pm

re: #166 tnguitarist

I'm with you on the arson. It's within smelling distance of my front porch.

But outdoor gunfire here is not so uncommon.

180 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:27:02pm

Should have done that long ago.

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:27:19pm

re: #166 tnguitarist

Goodness gracious. It's like this. I can almost guarantee you that some racist fuck set the place on fire and fired the shots. But some people would have you think that every person in Tennessee is a damn racist.

Well, there's you and my SIL, and my niece. (The teenager. The infant is probably not a racist, but so far that could just be because she can't talk.)

182 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:27:34pm

re: #172 researchok

I don't think they ought to be. They have had bad governments making bad decisions for a long time.

I know people who wanted to buy up blocks of houses and get the economy kick-started, but the property and business taxes were not worth their effort.

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:27:39pm

re: #169 Alouette

Oh shit.

Yeah.

184 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:27:41pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

C'mon, folks. I'm sure this was just an ordinary redneck who was celebrating getting his first hard-on in years after watching a Geller swimsuit vlog.

That must have been some hard-on.

185 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:28:23pm

re: #175 beekiller

contact por favor. im the same.

missed you so much

186 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:28:40pm

re: #179 Radical Rafe

Let me clarify:

I am with tnguitarist, in that I agree it was some racist dumbass who set fire to the construction equipment.

187 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:29:01pm

This is me, completely done with it.

188 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:29:04pm

re: #169 Alouette

Oh shit.

Alouette? who got busted? Mandy??????

189 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:29:08pm

re: #184 eclectic infidel

That must have been some hard-on.

9 shots is impressive by anyones standards...

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:29:22pm

re: #186 Radical Rafe

Let me clarify:

I am with tnguitarist, in that I agree it was some racist dumbass who set fire to the construction equipment.

That seems very probable.

191 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:29:27pm

re: #180 Charles

Should have done that long ago.

Oh no! I liked Mandy. Thorns and all. You won't reconsider?

192 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:29:39pm

Memphis is a great city to visit. I like Chattanooga also.

193 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:29:46pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

I'll send it via text message. I changed it during my personal meltdown. ;)

194 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:30:21pm

re: #191 marjoriemoon

Oh no! I liked Mandy. Thorns and all. You won't reconsider?

I would like to second that.

195 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:30:31pm

re: #187 Charles

This is me, completely done with it.

You're a fair man. Can't say chances weren't given.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:31:42pm

Damn. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Feeling a little forlorn here.

197 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:32:02pm

re: #193 beekiller

mo fo, you had better saved my info.

198 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:32:10pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks SFZ.

I live here, so forgive me if I presume to have just a little bit more insight as to what goes on around here in day to day life.

I don't oppose the mosque. I hope they find the fuckers who vandalized the signs and the construction equipment. But gunfire, outside, in that area is not something that would otherwise garner a lot of attention here.

199 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:32:20pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Feeling a little forlorn here.

Samesizes.

200 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:32:28pm

re: #179 Radical Rafe

I'm with you on the arson. It's within smelling distance of my front porch.

But outdoor gunfire here is not so uncommon.

It's not uncommon, but I can tell the difference. First of all, no hunting season is open yet. If someone is out shooting at targets, usually you can tell by the cadence of the shots. It's probably someone that lives close by thinking they could get away with a 'random' shot and claim it was accidental if they were found out.

201 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:33:00pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Feeling a little forlorn here.

Its like you can literally feel LGF's Overton Window sliding to the left....

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:33:18pm

re: #198 Radical Rafe

Thanks SFZ.

I live here, so forgive me if I presume to have just a little bit more insight as to what goes on around here in day to day life.

I don't oppose the mosque. I hope they find the fuckers who vandalized the signs and the construction equipment. But gunfire, outside, in that area is not something that would otherwise garner a lot of attention here.

I'm going to have to take the local's word on what the setting is like. I hear shots around here, and don't take much note, but I think in some neighborhoods it's more alarming.

203 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:33:21pm

re: #189 brookly red

9 shots is impressive by anyones standards...

This latest event is scary. Were I Muslim in TN right now, I know I'd be frightened and deeply concerned for the welfare of my family, and my fellow believers.

204 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:33:34pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea

Email and text sent!

205 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:34:00pm

re: #203 eclectic infidel

This latest event is scary. Were I Muslim in TN right now, I know I'd be frightened and deeply concerned for the welfare of my family, and my fellow believers.

And yet, we still have people at LGF trying to brush it off as insignificant.

206 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:34:04pm

well.

I'm turning in for the night.

Nothing much to say really from me other than that i hope this day finds you all in good health and that we respect Charles' decisions.

See you all anon.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:34:54pm

re: #203 eclectic infidel

This latest event is scary. Were I Muslim in TN right now, I know I'd be frightened and deeply concerned for the welfare of my family, and my fellow believers.

As would I. Even if this latest thing turns out to be unconnected, following an arson I wouldn't be taking any damn chances.

I hope that in addition to taking advantage of their First Amendment rights, Muslims in Murfreesboro are taking advantage of the Second. And keeping good security at services.

208 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:35:17pm

re: #203 eclectic infidel

This latest event is scary. Were I Muslim in TN right now, I know I'd be frightened and deeply concerned for the welfare of my family, and my fellow believers.

put in context will you? I was snarking at a hard on comment...

209 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:35:24pm

I hope they can catch the arsonists. That's a crime for which someone needs to go to jail.

210 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:35:28pm
The congregation members reported hearing six shots coming from one direction, and about three minutes later they heard three more shots from another direction, said Saleh Sbenaty, a congregation member and university professor.
He wasn't sure if the shots were being fired at the Muslim group, but in the aftermath of the fire, he said they felt it necessary to report, the Daily News Journal reported on its website.


The actual facts of the story to date do not justify the widely alleged conclusion, IMO.

211 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:35:48pm

I'm lurking for the moment. I need to think and I'll post some more in a bit.

212 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:36:22pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Feeling a little forlorn here.

Me too.

213 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:36:27pm

re: #201 jamesfirecat

Its like you can literally feel LGF's Overton Window sliding to the left...

Racism and religious freedom should not be a left or right issue, but sadly the modern right-wing has made it this way.

214 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:36:34pm

re: #157 Radical Rafe

Yes, it is. And people fire guns around here all the fucking time.

So can we just keep our pants on until some more facts emerge?

I tend to agree with this sentiment. But I'M TAKING MY PANTS OFF ANYWAY!! Wooooo no pants.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:39:29pm

Evening lizards! What's going on?

BTW...my sister lives pretty close to Murfreesboro as does a bunch of other family members...aunt, uncle, cousins, etc. I hope they catch those gun toting bastards. Shooting at anyone is fucking nuts.

216 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:39:58pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

I'm lurking for the moment. I need to think and I'll post some more in a bit.

Remember D_F, Mandy's ouster is no reflection on you.

This place needs its right.

217 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:40:29pm

re: #162 Charles

In fact, this is the final straw. I'm not willing to indulge bigots any more, no matter how long they've been posting comments here. I've seen more than enough.

The main objection I have to this is that I was interested in seeing first-hand how serial killers are made.

218 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:40:33pm

People should THINK not DRINK before they post.

219 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:40:51pm

re: #214 negativ

I tend to agree with this sentiment. But I'M TAKING MY PANTS OFF ANYWAY!! Wooo no pants.

Please, the dog is complaining, put them back on.

220 cliffster  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:41:31pm

re: #205 Charles

And yet, we still have people at LGF trying to brush it off as insignificant.

Well, speaking for myself, I'm not arguing with that point. It is, however, highly annoying when people feel perfectly comfortable throwing out comments littered with "dumb" "inbred" "retarded" "redneck" "trash". I'm at a loss as to why people who are supposedly so sensitive when it comes to some things, feel like that's ok.

221 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:41:38pm

re: #157 Radical Rafe

Yes, it is. And people fire guns around here all the fucking time.

So can we just keep our pants on until some more facts emerge?


I've been hearing gun shots around here every day for weeks. Hunting season is coming up.

222 dell*nix  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:42:24pm

re: #215 NJDhockeyfan

Where did it say anyone shot at anyone? Not even the people there said that.

Did someone fire shots? Yes. Most likely to intimidate? Yes. Shoot at someone? Not claimed.

Wait for the investigation to provide evidence one way or the other.

223 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:42:41pm

re: #220 cliffster

Well, speaking for myself, I'm not arguing with that point. It is, however, highly annoying when people feel perfectly comfortable throwing out comments littered with "dumb" "inbred" "retarded" "redneck" "trash". I'm at a loss as to why people who are supposedly so sensitive when it comes to some things, feel like that's ok.

I think this is probably the cause of most of that.

224 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:42:52pm

re: #216 b_sharp

Remember D_F, Mandy's ouster is no reflection on you.

This place needs its right.

Mandy is gone? Crap, what happened?

225 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:42:57pm

re: #218 Alouette

People should THINK not DRINK before they post.

That takes all the joy out of it =/

226 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:43:07pm

should have banned her for her avatar she used to have

227 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:43:38pm

re: #226 SpaceJesus

should have banned her for her avatar she used to have

?????

228 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:44:05pm

re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist

Damn. It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.

Feeling a little forlorn here.

I'm sure that a whole menagerie of rabid hateful comments could be undeleted to put Charles's decision in its proper perspective, but that shouldn't be necessary. The woman just hated muslims, pure and simple.

229 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:44:19pm

re: #220 cliffster

Well, speaking for myself, I'm not arguing with that point. It is, however, highly annoying when people feel perfectly comfortable throwing out comments littered with "dumb" "inbred" "retarded" "redneck" "trash". I'm at a loss as to why people who are supposedly so sensitive when it comes to some things, feel like that's ok.

The majority culture should be able to take it. I'm a white male, and I invite somebody to throw all of the applicable epithets they can think of in my face. Go ahead and call me a mayo-on-white-bread-eating cracker trailer park redneck white trash honkey. I'd just think it was funny. At the end of the day I'm still white.

230 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:44:42pm

re: #227 tnguitarist

for at least a year or more, she had a very vile avatar

231 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:45:01pm

re: #220 cliffster

Well, speaking for myself, I'm not arguing with that point. It is, however, highly annoying when people feel perfectly comfortable throwing out comments littered with "dumb" "inbred" "retarded" "redneck" "trash". I'm at a loss as to why people who are supposedly so sensitive when it comes to some things, feel like that's ok.

You seem to be the first person on this thread to use most of those phrases....

232 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:45:11pm

re: #229 elbruce

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAHHH!

That was damn funny, dude.

233 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:45:29pm

re: #226 SpaceJesus

should have banned her for her avatar she used to have

What avatar?

234 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:45:36pm

re: #230 SpaceJesus

for at least a year or more, she had a very vile avatar

Can you say what it was, or is that verboten?

235 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:46:14pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

I'm sure that a whole menagerie of rabid hateful comments could be undeleted to put Charles's decision in its proper perspective, but that shouldn't be necessary. The woman just hated muslims, pure and simple.

No, no she liked moderate muslims.

Unfortunately, her criteria for moderate muslims included things like "has a unicorn horn" and "is Santa Claus".

And she'd never attend a church that would gasp let a Muslim speak!

236 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:46:30pm

re: #227 tnguitarist

???

IIRC, she had Peeing Calvin peeing on the word "Mohammed" in Arabic script. Or something like that. I disagree that she should have been banned for that.

237 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:46:44pm

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

Mandy is gone? Crap, what happened?

She posted the following:

re: #152 MandyManners

I don't believe I have ever dinged you but, I did so tonight.

I believe that speaks volumes, Charles.

BTW, did you condem Washington State when Naveed Afzal Haq shot up the Seattle Jewish Federation building?

Does anyone even remember that?

Please read the thread to get the context. I really hope she calms down and apologizes.

238 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:46:58pm

re: #234 tnguitarist

Can you say what it was, or is that verboten?

Calvin, of Calvin and Hobbs fame pissing on the Arabic word for "Allah" if my memory serves.

239 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:47:17pm

Muslims report shots fired in the area? From both directions? Could be something or could be random "shots fired" situations - especially in Tenessee. I for one am willing to file this into the "wait and see" bin.

240 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:47:23pm

re: #236 negativ

IIRC, she had Peeing Calvin peeing on the word "Mohammed" in Arabic script. Or something like that. I disagree that she should have been banned for that.

O shoot, you might be right. Either Mohammed or Allah.

241 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:47:31pm

re: #234 tnguitarist

it was a picture of Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes, pissing on the Shahada, perhaps the holiest thing in all of Islam.

242 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:47:35pm

re: #226 SpaceJesus

should have banned her for her avatar she used to have

Mandy is driven.

243 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:47:38pm

re: #238 McSpiff

Calvin, of Calvin and Hobbs fame pissing on the Arabic word for "Allah" if my memory serves.

Yuck.

244 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:47:39pm

re: #238 McSpiff

Calvin, of Calvin and Hobbs fame pissing on the Arabic word for "Allah" if my memory serves.

It does.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:48:34pm

re: #236 negativ

IIRC, she had Peeing Calvin peeing on the word "Mohammed" in Arabic script. Or something like that. I disagree that she should have been banned for that.

The script said 'Allah'.

I stayed out of the argument about the damn avatar as much as I could, but I was never all that happy about Calvin peeing on the name of God.

246 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:48:35pm

re: #238 McSpiff

Calvin, of Calvin and Hobbs fame pissing on the Arabic word for "Allah" if my memory serves.

No it was the word "Allah" itself which meant she was pissing on the Arabic word for "God" .

From what I've heard Christians who speak Arabic call god "Allah" as well, can someone confirm or deny that for me?

247 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:48:41pm

re: #238 McSpiff


it might have just been allah, now that i think about it. still just as vile.

248 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:49:12pm

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

She posted the following:

re: #152 MandyManners

Please read the thread to get the context. I really hope she calms down and apologizes.

Awww, nuts. I hope her & Charles can mend fences.

249 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:49:14pm

re: #235 McSpiff

No, no she liked moderate muslims.

Unfortunately, her criteria for moderate muslims included things like "has a unicorn horn" and "is Santa Claus".

And she'd never attend a church that would gasp let a Muslim speak!

Down boy.

250 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:49:43pm

re: #246 jamesfirecat

No it was the word "Allah" itself which meant she was pissing on the Arabic word for "God" .

From what I've heard Christians who speak Arabic call god "Allah" as well, can someone confirm or deny that for me?

I can't verify that but I think I've heard that too so I'm just letting you know that you're not the only one who has heard that.

251 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:49:48pm

Please note: there are plenty of decent people in Tennessee. I have friends there.

And there is also a sizeable contingent of outright racists, unfortunately, who are more than capable of committing acts of terrorism.

I'm finished putting up with people who try to make excuses for the latter.

252 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:49:51pm

re: #239 elbruce

Muslims report shots fired in the area? From both directions? Could be something or could be random "shots fired" situations - especially in Tenessee. I for one am willing to file this into the "wait and see" bin.

I agree. What's the big rush?

253 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:49:53pm

re: #246 jamesfirecat

No it was the word "Allah" itself which meant she was pissing on the Arabic word for "God" .

From what I've heard Christians who speak Arabic call god "Allah" as well, can someone confirm or deny that for me?

Sorry I just meant the word was written in Arabic script as opposed to Latin characters. I didn't know it said Allah for a long time to be honest, and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

254 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:50:03pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

The script said 'Allah'.

I stayed out of the argument about the damn avatar as much as I could, but I was never all that happy about Calvin peeing on the name of God.

Then again, I just hate peeing Calvins on general principle, so the blasphemy was just an added factor.

255 cliffster  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:50:15pm

re: #235 McSpiff

No, no she liked moderate muslims.

Unfortunately, her criteria for moderate muslims included things like "has a unicorn horn" and "is Santa Claus".

And she'd never attend a church that would gasp let a Muslim speak!

you completely lack class. Why don't you prance around and piss on yourself some more about someone that a lot of us like to talk to being blocked?

256 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:51:17pm

MandyManners,

You and I have both been posting pages about Islamofascism, anti-Semitism, and other foreign policy issues for a while. We updinged eachother, we tweeted eachother's work, we bonded over our mutual love for Israel, and we pushed back against calls of bigotry for mocking political correctness.

But I must say your behavior tonight was appalling. No sane person would condone, make excuses, or try to minimize the significance the attack on that Jewish community center. So why did you choose to do so now with the Tennessee Islamic center?

Normally, I would be able to forgive that. But to accuse Charles of turning his cheek from anti-Semitic violence, and to use that smarmy wingnut tactic of "why don't you condemn this too", otherwise known as tu quoque, has diminished my opinion of you and your reasoning skills.

If we met on the streets of Israel, I would not even offer you five shekels for hummus.

257 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:51:30pm

re: #236 negativ

I think that discussing the "why's and wherefores" of a long time posters banning is distasteful, at best. It's Charles's blog, and he does what he chooses to do. Enough said.

258 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:51:50pm

re: #251 Charles

Please note: there are plenty of decent people in Tennessee. I have friends there.

And there is also a sizeable contingent of outright racists, unfortunately, who are more than capable of committing acts of terrorism.

I'm finished putting up with people who try to make excuses for the latter.

There are those types of idiots in every state.

259 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:52:05pm

re: #255 cliffster

you completely lack class. Why don't you prance around and piss on yourself some more about someone that a lot of us like to talk to being blocked?

Heh, defend Mandy all you want, but I really don't think you want to bring class into this one. Piss up a rope ring a bell?

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:52:09pm

re: #246 jamesfirecat

No it was the word "Allah" itself which meant she was pissing on the Arabic word for "God" .

From what I've heard Christians who speak Arabic call god "Allah" as well, can someone confirm or deny that for me?

Arabic speakers, Christian, Muslim and Jewish all say 'Allah'. It's generic Arabic for 'he who created this whole dang thing'.

(Arabic speaking Jews also use Hebrew words--Elohim, Adonai, etc., but "Allah" is used interchangeably with these, per my Iraqi Jewish acquaintances.)

261 firstinla  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:52:23pm

re: #246 jamesfirecat

Christians in Malaysia use the word "Allah" in their prayers. I've also seen the Calvin cartoon character pissing on the Cross and the Star of David. The one of Calvin pissing on the Cross is not uncommon in my area.

262 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:52:37pm

i hope i run into somebody from LGF in israel someday and they buy me some sweet hummus

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:52:58pm

re: #252 Spare O'Lake

I agree. What's the big rush?

Fear that this is going to get worse, rather than better, in a big hurry.

If I speak for myself.

264 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:53:37pm

re: #251 Charles

Please note: there are plenty of decent people in Tennessee. I have friends there.

And there is also a sizeable contingent of outright racists, unfortunately, who are more than capable of committing acts of terrorism.

I'm finished putting up with people who try to make excuses for the latter.

IMO, Mandy got paranoid, and couldn't read the context. N one was saying "Southerners are racists". We were saying "the South has an enduring (though diminished) racism problem". I hope she calms down and apologizes. And that's all i have to say about that. James made a request and I intend to fill it.

265 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:53:38pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

Then again, I just hate peeing Calvins on general principle, so the blasphemy was just an added factor.

I don't get the attraction of putting all these offensive decals on your vehicle. I don't like subjecting children to that type of thing.
But I like the Calvin comic strip, especially the snowmen ones.

266 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:53:42pm

re: #258 NJDhockeyfan

There are those types of idiots in everywhere state.

Changed it up a bit if you dont mind.

267 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:54:00pm

re: #262 SpaceJesus

i hope i run into somebody from LGF in israel someday and they buy me some sweet hummus

Made from native, Israeli chickpeas. None of that Moby Dick House of Kabob crap.

268 cliffster  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:54:12pm

re: #259 McSpiff

Heh, defend Mandy all you want, but I really don't think you want to bring class into this one. Piss up a rope ring a bell?

I'm not defending Mandy, and there's plenty of class-vacuum to go around. Enjoy your more-than-generous portion.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:54:12pm

re: #257 Floral Giraffe

I think that discussing the "why's and wherefores" of a long time posters banning is distasteful, at best. It's Charles's blog, and he does what he chooses to do. Enough said.

It's Charles' blog.

That said, I'd forgotten how shocking it feels to lose someone we've had a long time.

Used to happen every damn evening. Sometimes three or four times.

270 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:54:33pm

re: #262 SpaceJesus

i hope i run into somebody from LGF in israel someday and they buy me some sweet hummus

Sweet hummus? That sound totally gross, like peanut butter on falafel.

271 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:55:20pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

IMO, Mandy got paranoid, and couldn't read the context. N one was saying "Southerners are racists". We were saying "the South has an enduring (though diminished) racism problem". I hope she calms down and apologizes. And that's all i have to say about that. James made a request and I intend to fill it.

If you feel this is the wrong night to be talking about Civil War Woods I would understand....

Mandy was a well known fixture at LGF for years before I showed up and I know you two probably went through the immediate reaction to the Obama election (it was either that or a year after the date from what I can remember being told) together which was hell on this Blog from what I've heard...

272 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:55:43pm

re: #270 Alouette

Sweet hummus? That sound totally gross, like peanut butter on falafel.


sweet as in "awesome"

273 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:56:27pm

re: #270 Alouette

Sweet hummus? That sound totally gross, like peanut butter on falafel.

Now there's one for the LGF cookbook.

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:56:30pm

re: #270 Alouette

Sweet hummus? That sound totally gross, like peanut butter on falafel.

Actually, one of the Israeli bloggers I read, an olah from the States, was talking about how she made pancakes for her kids, and brought out the maple syrup their aunt had brought.

The kids tasted the syrup, but preferred to put hummus on their pancakes.

Sabras got no taste.

/

275 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:56:32pm

re: #256 Max D. Reinhardt

MandyManners,

You and I have both been posting pages about Islamofascism, anti-Semitism, and other foreign policy issues for a while. We updinged eachother, we tweeted eachother's work, we bonded over our mutual love for Israel, and we pushed back against calls of bigotry for mocking political correctness.

But I must say your behavior tonight was appalling. No sane person would condone, make excuses, or try to minimize the significance the attack on that Jewish community center. So why did you choose to do so now with the Tennessee Islamic center?

Normally, I would be able to forgive that. But to accuse Charles of turning his cheek from anti-Semitic violence, and to use that smarmy wingnut tactic of "why don't you condemn this too", otherwise known as tu quoque, has diminished my opinion of you and your reasoning skills.

If we met on the streets of Israel, I would not even offer you five shekels for hummus.

So for an insult you would see a person starve?
Your sanctimony is breathtaking.

276 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:56:33pm

For SFZ:
Loretta Lynn & Conway Twitty sing "You're the Reason Our Kids Are Ugly."

277 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:56:51pm

re: #268 cliffster

I think I'll drop the bickering here. If you wanna get on my case about a lack of class when this dies down a bit, you're more than welcome to.

278 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:57:42pm

re: #270 Alouette

Sweet hummus? That sound totally gross, like peanut butter on falafel.

you might like Brooklyn Multi-culti ethnic food, the Mexican falafel has jalapeño hummus... Not for the weak.

279 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:57:49pm

re: #275 Spare O'Lake

So for an insult you would see a person starve?
Your sanctimony is breathtaking.

Yes how dare he engage in his rights as a capitalist not to spend money buying things from people he finds distasteful!

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:58:19pm

re: #278 brookly red

you might like Brooklyn Multi-culti ethnic food, the Mexican falafel has jalapeño hummus... Not for the weak.

That actually sounds good.

281 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:58:40pm

re: #274 SanFranciscoZionist

I introduced my mother to hummus a few years ago. She tried putting it on everything. Nachos, all dressed chips, you name it.

282 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:58:47pm

re: #278 brookly red

you might like Brooklyn Multi-culti ethnic food, the Mexican falafel has jalapeño hummus... Not for the weak.

jalapeño in hummus definitely kicks ass. I put jalapeño in my falafel.

283 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:00pm

Ok. laters gators.

Please - people - stay civil.

284 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:12pm

re: #271 jamesfirecat

If you feel this is the wrong night to be talking about Civil War Woods I would understand...

Mandy was a well known fixture at LGF for years before I showed up and I know you two probably went through the immediate reaction to the Obama election (it was either that or a year after the date from what I can remember being told) together which was hell on this Blog from what I've heard...

Honestly, James, I'm going to take the out you're offering. Once this topic heated up, I honestly did not what to put up a "LGF/D&D Crossover" which poked some fun at wingnut ideas about a civil war on a thread that touches on issues of the real Civil War. I promise I'll get those posts in tomorrow, but this thread just isn't the right place.

285 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:18pm

re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist

That actually sounds good.

it is... but it can do a number on you.

286 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:26pm

re: #275 Spare O'Lake

WOW.
Again, you have shocked me.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:47pm

re: #281 McSpiff

I introduced my mother to hummus a few years ago. She tried putting it on everything. Nachos, all dressed chips, you name it.

That's the running gag in "Don't Mess With The Zohan", isn't it? Brushing his teeth with it, stirring it into his tea...

288 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:47pm

i have a greek mexican place near me, it's open 24/7, and gyros with charizo at 3am are the best thing in the world.

289 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:50pm

When I was 8 years old, my father moved us to Pulaski, Tennessee because his job had moved him there. The road in to town at the time was a long curve with a huge field off to the left.
We came in to town at night. In the field were hundreds of klansmen and a burning cross that has to be 20 or 30 feet tall. I was young and didn't really know what was going on, but I know it scared the hell out of me. I'll never forget that.

No motives for posting that story. All this talk just made me think about it.

290 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:59:50pm

re: #275 Spare O'Lake

So for an insult you would see a person starve?
Your sanctimony is breathtaking.

"You numb your conscience with sanctimony I numb mine with narcissism." - T-Bone Burnett

291 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:00:08pm

re: #279 jamesfirecat

Yes how dare he engage in his rights as a capitalist not to spend money buying things from people he finds distasteful!

That is not what he meant, and you know it.
How ugly.

292 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:00:13pm

re: #278 brookly red

you might like Brooklyn Multi-culti ethnic food, the Mexican falafel has jalapeño hummus... Not for the weak.

I'm not much of a hummus fan, but that sounds good.

293 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:00:14pm

re: #239 elbruce

Muslims report shots fired in the area? From both directions? Could be something or could be random "shots fired" situations - especially in Tenessee. I for one am willing to file this into the "wait and see" bin.

re: #252 Spare O'Lake

I agree. What's the big rush?

Shots fired from two different directions in a populated area is a very dangerous situation, and most worthy of being investigated in a rush, even if it turns out they were not intended as intimidation of the Islamic Center.

294 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:00:31pm

re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist

That's the running gag in "Don't Mess With The Zohan", isn't it? Brushing his teeth with it, stirring it into his tea...

You're right! Totally forgot about that movie.

295 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:00:32pm

re: #289 tnguitarist

When I was 8 years old, my father moved us to Pulaski, Tennessee because his job had moved him there. The road in to town at the time was a long curve with a huge field off to the left.
We came in to town at night. In the field were hundreds of klansmen and a burning cross that has to be 20 or 30 feet tall. I was young and didn't really know what was going on, but I know it scared the hell out of me. I'll never forget that.

No motives for posting that story. All this talk just made me think about it.

DAMN.

296 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:00:36pm

put some green chile in that hummus like my cousin does. not bad at all.

297 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:01:19pm

re: #281 McSpiff

I introduced my mother to hummus a few years ago. She tried putting it on everything. Nachos, all dressed chips, you name it.

Potato chips. I make hummos and put it on potato chips. Or, I make a hummos sandwich. Lots of uses for hummos.

298 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:01:49pm

re: #288 SpaceJesus

i have a greek mexican place near me, it's open 24/7, and gyros with charizo at 3am are the best thing in the world.

At my age, sleep is the best thing in the world at 3 am.

299 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:01:51pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, James, I'm going to take the out you're offering. Once this topic heated up, I honestly did not what to put up a "LGF/D&D Crossover" which poked some fun at wingnut ideas about a civil war on a thread that touches on issues of the real Civil War. I promise I'll get those posts in tomorrow, but this thread just isn't the right place.

No problem I figured you might be in an awkward mental place, and so I didn't want you to make it worse on my account...

300 cliffster  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:02:08pm

re: #292 wlewisiii

I'm not much of a hummus fan, but that sounds good.

Actually, hummus with a little squirt of sriracha is pretty good. Of course, I put a little squirt of sriracha on most things.

301 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:02:13pm

re: #291 Spare O'Lake

That is not what he meant, and you know it.
How ugly.

What did he mean then?

302 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:02:24pm

re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist

That's the running gag in "Don't Mess With The Zohan", isn't it? Brushing his teeth with it, stirring it into his tea...

I noticed that "Tribe" foods paid for product placement in that movie. Their product sucks. "Sabra" is much better.

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:03:00pm

re: #300 cliffster

Actually, hummus with a little squirt of sriracha is pretty good. Of course, I put a little squirt of sriracha on most things.

Sriracha is awesome. I have considered putting it in chocolate cupcakes.

304 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:03:14pm

re: #300 cliffster

Actually, hummus with a little squirt of sriracha is pretty good. Of course, I put a little squirt of sriracha on most things.

What is sriracha? Is that like s'chug or harissa?

305 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:03:31pm

re: #302 Alouette

I noticed that "Tribe" foods paid for product placement in that movie. Their product sucks. "Sabra" is much better.

I like the Athenos with black olives. Not very Israeli in style, but pretty yummy on baby carrots.

306 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:03:37pm

re: #275 Spare O'Lake

So for an insult you would see a person starve?
Your sanctimony is breathtaking.

Would you for once stop being an idiot?

307 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:03:39pm

I just searched the local 'big 3' networks and this story isn't even on there, much less the lead. Hmm....I'll have to see what's up with that.

308 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:03:55pm

re: #304 Alouette

rooster sauce. it's pretty much the second best thing ever

309 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:04:25pm

re: #291 Spare O'Lake

That is not what he meant, and you know it.
How ugly.

Actually, it is exactly what I meant.

310 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:04:36pm

re: #308 SpaceJesus

rooster sauce. it's pretty much the second best thing ever

OK, stay with me. What's "rooster sauce"?

311 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:04:44pm

*sigh* I don't know what to think anymore. If this is what I avoided by lurking back during the past purges, then perhaps I should consider myself fortunate. Don't think I could watch too many familiar faces disappear that quickly before I'd crack.

312 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:04:49pm

the best thing at 3:00 AM is pizza. Period.

313 cliffster  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:04:54pm

re: #304 Alouette

What is sriracha? Is that like s'chug or harissa?

Here. Go get you some, pour a little cup of it, and drink it down, one gulp. Let me know how it goes :^)

314 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:04:56pm

re: #286 Floral Giraffe

WOW.
Again, you have shocked me.

For what? It's one thing to have an argument and to cast insults. It's quite another to not only stick in one's nose where it doesn't belong, but then to issue some kind of moronic fatwah that they are not even worth five cents.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:03pm

re: #304 Alouette

What is sriracha? Is that like s'chug or harissa?

More like harissa. It's a chili sauce--straight up chili pepper and some vinegar to hold it together.

316 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:06pm

re: #308 SpaceJesus

rooster sauce. it's pretty much the second best thing ever

Its got what troops crave! Seriously, we've been shipping it over to family. Apparently really helps out with rations.

317 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:18pm

re: #309 Max D. Reinhardt

Actually, it is exactly what I meant.

Well then in the words of Channel Awesome

"I'm sorry, when the person we're parodying says that this is funny, there is no room for debate anymore..."

Not exactly what is going on here, but close enough....

318 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:30pm

re: #310 Alouette

OK, stay with me. What's "rooster sauce"?

Here's the NYT story on it:
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

319 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:43pm

Whatever.

Of course I'm behind like 100 comments.

I've got Charles' back (not that it matters) but, I'm there.

320 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:50pm

re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist

Sriracha is awesome. I have considered putting it in chocolate cupcakes.

Had some guests over once for steak kabobs and side dishes and finished over with some dipping chocolate and fruit.

He wanted to dip the leftover steak.

No, dude, just no. Maybe if it were really dark chocolate with the peppers. Maybe.

321 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:51pm

re: #316 McSpiff

Its got what troops crave! Seriously, we've been shipping it over to family. Apparently really helps out with rations.

Improves the flavor of most things.

322 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:05:52pm

You know what was pretty good that I had a couple times this summer was chickpea salad with tortilla chips. Great stuff. And one of the many reasons why I need a mini fridge in my apartment here on campus.

323 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:06:30pm

re: #293 reine.de.tout

re: #252 Spare O'Lake


Shots fired from two different directions in a populated area is a very dangerous situation, and most worthy of being investigated in a rush, even if it turns out they were not intended as intimidation of the Islamic Center.

Investigation, yes; jumping to conclusions, no.

324 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:06:31pm

re: #292 wlewisiii

I'm not much of a hummus fan, but that sounds good.

The really nice thing about hummos is that you can season to your taste.

We like more garlic, less lemon.
Some folks like the opposite.

325 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:06:34pm

re: #312 brookly red

the best thing at 3:00 AM is pizza. Period.

I had some of the best pizza in my life today. From a Jewish bakery. Not kidding.

326 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:06:50pm

re: #302 Alouette

I noticed that "Tribe" foods paid for product placement in that movie. Their product sucks. "Sabra" is much better.

I agree, but WOW is their current TV ad stupid. I know the fact I writing about it means it must be effective on some level...but dumb is dumb.

327 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:06:57pm

I hadn't seen the burned out construction vehicle before:
[Link: www.knoxnews.com...]

328 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:07:00pm

re: #310 Alouette

i'm looking at it right now on my table. it comes in a squeeze bottle, and is red in color because it's made of red chile. basically yummy spicy paste. i think its vietnamese.

329 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:07:32pm

re: #325 JasonA

I had some of the best pizza in my life today. From a Jewish bakery. Not kidding.

not surprising... the first rule of pizza is that it is BAKED.

330 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:07:42pm

re: #288 SpaceJesus

i have a greek mexican place near me, it's open 24/7, and gyros with charizo at 3am are the best thing in the world.

That sounds fantastic. What city?

331 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:07:43pm

Long, long overdue. I'm way too soft sometimes.

332 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:07:58pm

re: #312 brookly red

the best thing at 3:00 AM is pizza. Period.

To each his own, I guess.

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:07:59pm

re: #328 SpaceJesus

i'm looking at it right now on my table. it comes in a squeeze bottle, and is red in color because it's made of red chile. basically yummy spicy paste. i think its vietnamese.

Thai, according to my quick Google.

I discovered it in college, and have had a bottle ever since.

334 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:08:37pm

re: #323 Spare O'Lake

Investigation, yes; jumping to conclusions, no.

The report is that shots were fired several hours after the arson, while congregants were at the site to check things out.

I don't see that any conclusions have been jumped at. Although I will say, in my mind it's pretty suspicious, and stays that way unless an investigation shows otherwise.

335 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:08:51pm

Someone once said here that NYPD pepper spray is freaking awesome on a slice of pizza.

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:09:18pm

re: #335 Ojoe

Someone once said here that NYPD pepper spray is freaking awesome on a slice of pizza.

Wouldn't be at all surprised.

337 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:09:36pm

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

Thai, according to my quick Google.

I discovered it in college, and have had a bottle ever since.

Thai style, but made in Cali, no?

338 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:09:58pm

re: #289 tnguitarist

When I was 8 years old, my father moved us to Pulaski, Tennessee because his job had moved him there. The road in to town at the time was a long curve with a huge field off to the left.
We came in to town at night. In the field were hundreds of klansmen and a burning cross that has to be 20 or 30 feet tall. I was young and didn't really know what was going on, but I know it scared the hell out of me. I'll never forget that.

No motives for posting that story. All this talk just made me think about it.

We moved to Tennessee from NJ in 1972. My mom was a waitress are a coffee shop in Hendersonville and one time instead of a tip the man left her a business card. It was his card which showed his name and his position as a KKK member. I was 9 years old and didn't know what that meant. We didn't experience such things in NJ.

339 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:10:10pm

re: #335 Ojoe

Someone once said here that NYPD pepper spray is freaking awesome on a slice of pizza.

yes I did... pepper is pepper.

340 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:10:18pm

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

Thai, according to my quick Google.

I discovered it in college, and have had a bottle ever since.


me too. well im still in college i guess. i moved to a neighborhood with about a dozen vietnamese joints within 2-3 blocks, and that's where i found it first. just kind of figured it was a vietnamese thing.

341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:10:24pm

re: #327 jaunte

Thanks... Google map the address... not urban at all... but also, not at all rural.

Urral?

342 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:10:27pm

re: #45 MandyManners

Why don't you people look at the history of Kurdish and Somali refugees along a line from Shelbyville to Nashville?

OK, this is just silly. Like, not even taking you seriously today ridiculously silly. Obviously, random sounds of shots fired across the Indiana/Tenessee border should be assigned to Kurds and Somalis..? The monbat in me is laughing at that. Everybody to the right of the moonbat in me is pointing at it and saying "look, the American melting pot is coming true!!!"

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:10:35pm

re: #337 brookly red

Thai style, but made in Cali, no?

My bottle tells me it was made in Rosemead, CA, by Huy Fong Foods.

344 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:11:10pm
The congregation members reported hearing six shots coming from one direction, and about three minutes later they heard three more shots from another direction,

Probably just a Hatfield-v-McCoy thing. Someone looks at someone else the wrong way and them blammo everyones firing weapons.

345 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:11:17pm

re: #312 brookly red

the best thing at 3:00 AM is pizza. Period.

Pizza is the best thing at any time, period.

346 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:11:21pm

re: #331 Charles

Long, long overdue. I'm way too soft sometimes.

Yeah, well when the great Kurd/Somali conflict breaks out in Tenessee, you'll realize how wrong you were. ///

347 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:11:50pm

re: #331 Charles

Long, long overdue. I'm way too soft sometimes.

Don't beat yourself up about it. Its your house.

348 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:11:57pm

re: #309 Max D. Reinhardt

Actually, it is exactly what I meant.

If you meant that you would not buy from her if she were a street vendor, then I apologize. I understood you to mean that if she were indigent you would not even offer to buy her something to eat.
Please clarify.

349 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:02pm

re: #314 Spare O'Lake

You're liscenced for Fatwahs?
Have at it.

350 Grimalkin  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:04pm

I wish I had stock in Rooster sauce, I've had it on the table in Thailand, China, Japan, Costa Rico as well as, most the ethnic restaurants, Me, I love my McIlhenny Tabasco.

351 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:07pm

I moved to the Nashville area in February 2001, after having been born in Alaska and then living most of my life in Atlanta.

I met a handful of Iraqi men during the first few months I lived here. They worked in a warehouse at the company which employed me as technician. They seemed friendly enough, the ones who spoke English anyway. I did from time to time find it difficult to endure their hygiene, or rather lack of it. One of them asked me to help him with his English reading and comprehension. I did what I could with the newspapers and magazines that lay here and there in the break area. One day he and another of the Iraqi nationals, after exchanging progressively heated comments in what I presume to have been Farsi or Arabic broke out in a violent fistfight, also exchanging loogies. They had to be separated by the Tennessee State Troopers who moonlit as security guards. I never saw either of them again.

No reason for posting this. Just throwing it out there.

352 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:15pm

re: #328 SpaceJesus

i'm looking at it right now on my table. it comes in a squeeze bottle, and is red in color because it's made of red chile. basically yummy spicy paste. i think its vietnamese.

Sriracha is Thai. Named after the Si Racha district.

353 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:16pm

No comment.

354 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:17pm

re: #346 elbruce

Yeah, well when the great Kurd/Somali conflict breaks out in Tenessee, you'll realize how wrong you were. ///

I don't think that's what Mandy meant; I believe she was pointing out that those communities had been welcomed in TN.

355 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:54pm

re: #324 reine.de.tout

Mmm, garlic is good!
*waves*

356 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:12:58pm

When you turn on hatred, you can have trouble controlling it or shutting it down. They are going to stoke the flames for months. A lot of innocent people will be hurt.

357 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:13:02pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

Doesn't matter.

358 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:13:12pm

re: #348 Spare O'Lake

Reread his post a few times. You might learn something more than just about street vending or charity.

359 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:13:13pm

re: #342 elbruce

OK, this is just silly. Like, not even taking you seriously today ridiculously silly. Obviously, random sounds of shots fired across the Indiana/Tenessee border should be assigned to Kurds and Somalis..? The monbat in me is laughing at that. Everybody to the right of the moonbat in me is pointing at it and saying "look, the American melting pot is coming true!!!"

Indiana/Tennessee border?

360 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:13:30pm

re: #335 Ojoe

Someone once said here that NYPD pepper spray is freaking awesome on a slice of pizza.

My hot sauce is much better.

361 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:13:30pm

re: #355 Floral Giraffe

Mmm, garlic is good!
*waves*

Hey, Flo!
*waves back*

Doing well, I hope?

362 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:14:08pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think that's what Mandy meant; I believe she was pointing out that those communities had been welcomed in TN.

I'm sure they were, prior to January 20, 2009.

363 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:14:11pm

re: #289 tnguitarist

The whole country has its bigots, but the south certainly has its own special history.

Florida is ripe with the KKK, mostly central and northern. I remember heading for a camping trip in Plant City years ago. Going up highway 27, we stopped at a diner. A dark-skinned man in shabby clothes (looked Hispanic) with a club foot came limping in. He was leaning against the jukebox, not bothering anyone when the owner came flying out from the kitchen screaming, "I told you never to come in here begging again!" Took him by the collar and the seat of his pants and physically tossed him out the front door. The diner patrons cheered him on. A crippled man.

We immediately paid for our food, wrapped it to go and gave it to him on the way out. The whole thing so unhinged me, I cried all the way to the campsite.

364 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:14:45pm

re: #361 reine.de.tout

Lovely, here.
Best wishes for you!

365 HappyBenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:15:09pm

Indian food is good stuff too. Went out to dinner with my brother after we saw Inception a few weeks back and I got this chicken with this delicious mango sauce. Place was so good and the wait staff couldn't have been any friendlier.

366 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:15:10pm

re: #355 Floral Giraffe

Mmm, garlic is good!
*waves*

pizza was invented to put garlic on...

367 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:15:28pm

re: #328 SpaceJesus

i'm looking at it right now on my table. it comes in a squeeze bottle, and is red in color because it's made of red chile. basically yummy spicy paste. i think its vietnamese.

Is it kosher? If it is, I am so trying it.

368 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:15:39pm

re: #348 Spare O'Lake

If you meant that you would not buy from her if she were a street vendor, then I apologize. I understood you to mean that if she were indigent you would not even offer to buy her something to eat.
Please clarify.

Judging by Mandy's avatar (if that's what she really looked like. ///) I would not buy from her if she was a hummus peddler.

If she's fine and not famished, no hummus for her.

369 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:16:03pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think that's what Mandy meant; I believe she was pointing out that those communities had been welcomed in TN.

They are, or were up until recently. Nashville has one of the largest Kurdish populations in the country. She was also right about where the Somalian (sp?) population is located. Outside of the cities, I wouldn't say they were welcomed with open arms so much. Nothing belligerent until recently, though.

370 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:16:40pm

re: #367 Alouette

Is it kosher? If it is, I am so trying it.

the bottle says it involves some kind of gum. thats the only thing that might not be kosher about it, but i don't know exactly

371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:16:44pm

re: #363 marjoriemoon

Okay, Marge. You might hate me for this...

That restaurant owner may have kicked that guy out 10 times a day for a year.

I've seen people all colors throw people of all colors out of their establishments.

372 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:16:51pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

My hot sauce is much better.

Yes, but can we fight crime with it?

373 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:16:59pm

re: #359 ClaudeMonet

Indiana/Tennessee border?

That's over near the Mississippi/Montana border.
/

374 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:17:51pm

re: #331 Charles

sigh of life.

yes.

375 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:18:26pm

ok time to fire up some trader joe's gyoza and put some sriracha on them.

thanks for making spacejesus hungry

376 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:18:33pm

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

Indiana and Tennessee do have a border... You know... right at Louisville.
/

377 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:18:34pm

re: #368 Max D. Reinhardt

Judging by Mandy's avatar (if that's what she really looked like. ///) I would not buy from her if she was a hummus peddler.

If she's fine and not famished, no hummus for her.

Humour me please and simply clarify your comment about the 5 shekels.

378 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:18:55pm

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

That's over near the Mississippi/Montana border.
/

In all fairness, Tennessee does border more states that any other. Tied with Missouri, I believe.

379 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:18:59pm

re: #363 marjoriemoon

CCA has said here that Tampa has an ordinance forbidding the wearing of mask except for public safety personnel (there's an exception for Halloween), and that law was passed as an anti-Klan measure.

380 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:19:26pm

re: #368 Max D. Reinhardt

Judging by Mandy's avatar (if that's what she really looked like. ///) I would not buy from her if she was a hummus peddler.

If she's fine and not famished, no hummus for her.

You really didn't need to explain. Most of us understood.

381 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:19:30pm

re: #378 tnguitarist

that=than

382 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:19:34pm

re: #354 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think that's what Mandy meant; I believe she was pointing out that those communities had been welcomed in TN.

They certainly exist, but I don't know how welcomed they are. Actually, there is more immigration into TN than I was aware.

The article I quoted the other day was from the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition. I couldn't find statistics, I'm sure they're out there, but they mentioned that bigotry against Muslims has increased since 9/11.

383 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:20:13pm

re: #372 jamesfirecat

Yes, but can we fight crime with it?

I bet you could. It's rather hot, but very tasty. Pepper spray has no taste, just heat.

384 spikester  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:20:31pm

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

you just insulted the inhabitants of two states!

385 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:21:12pm

re: #380 b_sharp

You really didn't need to explain. Most of us understood.

Her avatar had nothing to do with Maxie's comment. It was a dodge.

386 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:22:06pm

re: #356 beekiller

Good to see you, beekiller. Hope you are well.

387 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:22:45pm

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, Marge. You might hate me for this...

That restaurant owner may have kicked that guy out 10 times a day for a year.

I've seen people all colors throw people of all colors out of their establishments.

It was uncalled for. He was a scrawny guy, no match for the burly shopkeep. If he was a problem, he should have called the cops. You don't manhandle anyone.

388 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:22:47pm

Who knew that hummus would cause so much trouble?

389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:23:21pm

re: #382 marjoriemoon

I couldn't find statistics, I'm sure they're out there, but they mentioned that bigotry against Muslims has increased since 9/11.

Where, in America, has bigotry against Muslims decreased since 911?

(not trying to pick fights with you. it probably seems like, but I'm not.)

390 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:25:04pm

re: #370 SpaceJesus

the bottle says it involves some kind of gum. thats the only thing that might not be kosher about it, but i don't know exactly

I just looked it up on Chowhound, Huy Fong sauce is not reliably kosher, but there is an alternative brand that is kosher. Probably doesn't taste the same though.

391 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:25:24pm

re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where, in America, has bigotry against Muslims decreased since 911?

(not trying to pick fights with you. it probably seems like, but I'm not.)

Point taken, but I'd say not so much in the big city.

My point really was that it doesn't have to hurt someone's pride in their state or community by admitting there is ongoing bigotry. I love Florida and wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but I know we have problems.

392 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:25:43pm

re: #386 prairiefire

Good to see you, beekiller. Hope you are well.

Doing much better, thank you. I've been MIA for a while but plan to hang out more. I've missed the best damn blog on the internet.

393 Radical Rafe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:25:57pm

re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where, outside of America, are Muslims of all manner freer from bigotry in the first place?

394 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:26:14pm

re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I feel like I'm talking out my ass, but I heard on NPR that violence against Muslims is higher now than after 9/11. It did decrease after the September 11th attacks but it increased when the Bigot Brigade created this summer's top nontroversial news "story."

395 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:26:52pm

re: #393 Radical Rafe

Where, outside of America, are Muslims people of all manner freer from bigotry in the first place?

fify

396 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:27:05pm

re: #370 SpaceJesus

Sriracha is pretty weak though, it's tasty but there's a reason it comes in such a big bottle, you're going to use a lot of it if you have an asbestos mouth. Trader Joe's Jalepeno Pepper Hot Sauce is unbelievably good, just hot enough for me to enjoy, which means it will cauterize the average person's tongue if they don't approach with caution. Only three ingredients: red ripened jalapenos, distilled vinegar, and salt.

397 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:27:22pm

Alright, sleep, later.

398 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:27:23pm

re: #377 Spare O'Lake

Humour me please and simply clarify your comment about the 5 shekels.

Just to put this to bed here is how I read it.

"If we met on the streets of Israel, I would not even offer you five shekels for hummus."

I we were on the streets of Israel, I would not offer you 5 shekels in exchange for hummus."

You clearly read it this as "I would not offer you 5 shekels so that you could go and buy hummus."

Max has made it clear your interpretation is incorrect is was about refraining from giving people money in exchange for goods rather than denying a starving person a meal...

399 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:27:23pm

re: #389 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think it was in this post.

400 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:28:11pm

re: #396 goddamnedfrank

Sriracha is pretty weak though, it's tasty but there's a reason it comes in such a big bottle, you're going to use a lot of it if you have an asbestos mouth. Trader Joe's Jalepeno Pepper Hot Sauce is unbelievably good, just hot enough for me to enjoy, which means it will cauterize the average person's tongue if they don't approach with caution. Only three ingredients: red ripened jalapenos, distilled vinegar, and salt.


i classify jalapenos with bell peppers on the spacejesus spicy scale

401 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:28:52pm

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

I'm sure that a whole menagerie of rabid hateful comments could be undeleted to put Charles's decision in its proper perspective, but that shouldn't be necessary. The woman just hated muslims, pure and simple.

As an observer for oh so long. YES.

402 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:28:58pm

re: #400 SpaceJesus

that being said, i like trader joes and will probably pick some of that stuff up and give it a try tomorrow when i go shoppin'

403 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:29:05pm

re: #394 Max D. Reinhardt

I feel like I'm talking out my ass, but I heard on NPR that violence against Muslims is higher now than after 9/11. It did decrease after the September 11th attacks but it increased when the Bigot Brigade created this summer's top nontroversial news "story."

well yes and no, all minorities get picked on more in a bad economy... it is hard to measure.

404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:29:24pm

re: #387 marjoriemoon

You were blaming it on racism. I'm blaming it on capitalism. In my travels I've seen "Shit that'll turn you white!" (Winston Zeddemore).

After a while... owners of shops get tired of calling the police and just toss the beggars out.

I promise... I've never seen it when it was racially motivated. Probably have personally witnessed it over 25 times.

Beggars would come into the stores and wait on (POOR PEOPLE) to cash their checks, and then beg... I've seen the guys physically throw them out the doors.

405 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:29:26pm

Alright can anyone tell me the origin of hummus without resorting to violence or childish downdinging?

/

406 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:29:50pm

re: #390 Alouette


go ahead and try some. i won't tell anybody :)

407 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:30:13pm

re: #403 brookly red

well yes and no, all minorities get picked on more in a bad economy... it is hard to measure.

B.S.

408 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:30:13pm

re: #405 Max D. Reinhardt


tennessee

409 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:30:29pm

re: #394 Max D. Reinhardt

I feel like I'm talking out my ass, but I heard on NPR that violence against Muslims is higher now than after 9/11. It did decrease after the September 11th attacks but it increased when the Bigot Brigade created this summer's top nontroversial news "story."

So, it happened this summer? Golly.

Got a link?

410 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:30:47pm

re: #398 jamesfirecat

I couldn't figure out who was supposed to be starving in that story.

411 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:30:52pm

Adios, Pottymouth. Have fun at the Stalker Site.

412 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:31:05pm

re: #398 jamesfirecat

Just to put this to bed here is how I read it.

"If we met on the streets of Israel, I would not even offer you five shekels for hummus."

I we were on the streets of Israel, I would not offer you 5 shekels in exchange for hummus."

You clearly read it this as "I would not offer you 5 shekels so that you could go and buy hummus."

Max has made it clear your interpretation is incorrect is was about refraining from giving people money in exchange for goods rather than denying a starving person a meal...

You clarified...he didn't say that, which is all I asked for.
I have drawn the appropriate conclusions.

413 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:31:14pm

re: #371 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Okay, Marge. You might hate me for this...

That restaurant owner may have kicked that guy out 10 times a day for a year.

I've seen people all colors throw people of all colors out of their establishments.

Btw, my dad owned a restaurant for 4 years in Indiana. I could tell you some freaked out stories. Some folks here are in the restaurant biz know what that's about, but he never, ever would have done such a thing, especially to a handicapped person.

In fact, my mother was punched in the face by a busboy. She need 4 stitches and still has the scar. He nearly put her eye out. After he hit her, he ran to the back door and my father hightailed it back there, put his hand over the door and said, "You leave this restaurant, I'm breaking both your legs." The guy turned around and sat down in the chair until the cops arrived. Dad never touched him and I know he wanted to lay him out.

414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:31:19pm

re: #405 Max D. Reinhardt

Max? Do you watch "Hung" on HBO?

That argument was on last week.

415 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:31:33pm

re: #405 Max D. Reinhardt

Alright can anyone tell me the origin of hummus without resorting to violence or childish downdinging?

/

easy...
"Hey Mom whats for dinner? awwww chickpeas again?"

416 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:32:07pm

re: #405 Max D. Reinhardt

Alright can anyone tell me the origin of hummus without resorting to violence or childish downdinging?

/

Bonus points if you get The Simpson's reference.

417 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:32:28pm

re: #399 Max D. Reinhardt

Missed it. Thanks. Going back to listen.

418 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:32:41pm

re: #407 tnguitarist

B.S.

do you really think so? I would reconsider.

419 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:32:53pm

re: #414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Max? Do you watch "Hung" on HBO?

That argument was on last week.

Yep. BTW, I was watching it while I was on LGF. Things are heating up. No spoilers.

420 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:32:57pm

re: #403 brookly red

well yes and no, all minorities get picked on more in a bad economy... it is hard to measure.

Yeah, people get mad and scared so they attack those who look or act different. It's sad but true. But think Pam Geller and her asshole contingent are making things worse.

421 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:33:58pm

re: #405 Max D. Reinhardt

Alright can anyone tell me the origin of hummus without resorting to violence or childish downdinging?

/

Here ya go.

The history of hummus

The word hummus, (which has various spellings) is an Arabic word meaning "chickpea." Hummus is a Levantine Arab dip or spread that is made from chickpeas (also known as garbanzo beans) that have been cooked and mashed, then blended with tahini (a paste made from sesame seeds), olive oil, lemon juice, garlic and salt. Chickpeas are a vegetable that have been cultivated throughout the Middle East and India for thousands of years. Some sources say that they were growing in the gardens of Babylon.

Many regions around the world claim to be the place where hummus originated. The fact is, that because hummus has been around for so long, and in so many different variations, the exact origin has been lost in antiquity. Several cuisine-related sources speak of a folklore tale in which hummus is described as one of the oldest known prepared foods. Others speak of a legend that hummus was first prepared in the 12th century by Saladin, however this claim is highly disputed.

Despite the fact that the exact known origin of hummus is unclear, we do know that the chickpeas, the main ingredient of hummus, were known to be cultivated in the ancient Mediterranean and the Middle East. Chickpeas have been around for human consumption for several thousands of years. The chickpea was consumed in ancient Palestine, and was one of the earliest crops in Mesopotamia, as well as a common food on the streets of ancient Rome. It is also known that the ancient Greek philosophers Plato and Socrates made reference to the nutritional value of hummus in their writings. Ancient recipes for hummus have also been discovered.

I've tried it and think it tasted like shit. I'd rather have a BLT personally.

422 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:34:01pm

re: #414 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Max? Do you watch "Hung" on HBO?

That argument was on last week.

"Arabs can't make hummus for shit, Ray."

423 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:34:42pm

re: #400 SpaceJesus

i classify jalapenos with bell peppers on the spacejesus spicy scale

I usually cry uncle somewhere around whole Habanero, when it starts to feel more like eating tiny bits of glass.

424 jamesfirecat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:35:09pm

Well I'm done have to go to bed early if I want to wake up in time to go to work...

425 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:35:14pm

re: #421 NJDhockeyfan

Here ya go.

The history of hummus

I've tried it and think it tasted like shit. I'd rather have a BLT personally.

I didn't want to say anything, but yeah, it sucked.

426 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:35:29pm

I'm firmly in the hummus is from Israel camp (well from the Israelites.)

427 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:36:00pm

re: #379 Dark_Falcon

CCA has said here that Tampa has an ordinance forbidding the wearing of mask except for public safety personnel (there's an exception for Halloween), and that law was passed as an anti-Klan measure.

Fairly common, esp where there was a lot of Klan violence. Will cite.

428 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:36:01pm

re: #423 goddamnedfrank

I usually cry uncle somewhere around whole Habanero, when it starts to feel more like eating tiny bits of glass.

I have a bunch of Habaneros ready to be picked in my garden.

429 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:36:17pm

re: #413 marjoriemoon

Sainthood for your dad. I would've killed him.

430 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:36:31pm

re: #404 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You were blaming it on racism. I'm blaming it on capitalism. In my travels I've seen "Shit that'll turn you white!" (Winston Zeddemore).

After a while... owners of shops get tired of calling the police and just toss the beggars out.

I promise... I've never seen it when it was racially motivated. Probably have personally witnessed it over 25 times.

Beggars would come into the stores and wait on (POOR PEOPLE) to cash their checks, and then beg... I've seen the guys physically throw them out the doors.

The man was handicapped. He was visibly poor and disheveled and he was the only darkskinned person in sight.

My husband used to manage a liquor store in a bad part of town where beggars would harass the customers. He constantly called the cops, so much so that they would actually hang out in the parking lot doing their paperwork. Problem solved.

My religion, which the Christian religion springs from, teaches that you don't beat on the poor and infirm when they want a meal. If he didn't want to give it to him, that's his business, but to treat him like a rag doll is unforgivable in my book.

431 Max  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:36:41pm

I'm out.

Good night, my fellow Chickpeas-Crunching Victory Monkeys!

432 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:36:46pm

re: #428 NJDhockeyfan

I have a bunch of Habaneros ready to be picked in my garden.

me too, and thai chile.

433 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:37:09pm

re: #406 SpaceJesus

go ahead and try some. i won't tell anybody :)

SpaceMoses will find out whether you tell him or not.

434 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:37:12pm

Arrested development "Tennessee":

Youtube Video

Horse shoes!

435 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:38:05pm

re: #432 SpaceJesus

me too, and thai chile.

I think I have about 10 different types of peppers growing out there. It's hot sauce making time real soon.

436 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:38:11pm

re: #432 SpaceJesus

me too, and thai chile.

I used to love spicy food, but at some point in my early 30's it stopped loving back.

437 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:38:20pm

Way past my bed time. Sleep tight lizards.

438 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:38:46pm

re: #411 austin_blue

Adios, Pottymouth. Have fun at the Stalker Site.

That's not a good thing to say. And I checked over there: she hasn't posted there. But I do need to say something to one of the people over there:

To "Typicalwhitey": Go fuck yourself.

439 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:39:00pm

re: #427 Decatur Deb

Fairly common, esp where there was a lot of Klan violence. Will cite.

most big cities have anti mask laws... if you walk into a convenience store with a mask on you may just get shot.

440 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:39:19pm

Source for all the exotic hot sauces.

Good night all.

441 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:39:43pm

re: #435 NJDhockeyfan

I think I have about 10 different types of peppers growing out there. It's hot sauce making time real soon.

every october my family gathers at a friend's farm to pick red chile and make it into sauce and freeze it. i usually wind up with several quarts of the stuff. can't wait, i need it something fierce for my eggs in the morning.

442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:40:10pm

re: #411 austin_blue

That was ass-holie.

443 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:40:11pm

According to FBI statistics, hate crimes against Muslims were actually down over the past few years.

That said, I suspect the numbers will read very differently in the near future. Many hate crimes go unreported or under reported. Couple that with Geller and Company pitching an anti Muslim agenda on media 24/7 her agenda considered 'acceptable', it is inevitable that crimes against Muslims will increase. Muslims will not and should not accept the mainstreaming of bias willingly or quietly. They ought not fear 'making a scene'.

Like bias crimes against Jews and African Americans, sunlight is the best disinfectant.

FBI stats on hate crimes (up to 2008) can be found here.

Scroll down to hate Crimes, click on year and under Incidents and Offenses, click on tables. Scroll down and stats on religious hate crimes are displayed.

444 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:40:49pm

re: #434 prairiefire

Damn right.

445 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:41:10pm

re: #439 brookly red

most big cities have anti mask laws... if you walk into a convenience store with a mask on you may just get shot.

About 18 states, some cities have anti-Klan mask laws per this summary:

[Link: www.google.com...]

446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:41:25pm

re: #443 researchok

But that disagrees with NPR.

447 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:42:25pm

re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But that disagrees with NPR.

I don't know. Was NPR reporting on recent years? The FBI stats on;y go up to 2008.

448 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:42:42pm

re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But that disagrees with NPR.

Then it does. I'll take DoJ stats over NPR stats, thank you.

449 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:43:56pm

re: #448 Dark_Falcon

Then it does. I'll take DoJ stats over NPR stats, thank you.

I suspect the number of hate crimes has increased greatly in the last year or so.

It's not unlike anti semitic acts. When Israel is in the news, the fools come out.

450 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:43:59pm

re: #439 brookly red

most big cities have anti mask laws... if you walk into a convenience store with a mask on you may just get shot.

Local (AL) flea market has signs prohibiting hoodies and sunglasses in the admin area.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:44:58pm

re: #441 SpaceJesus

every october my family gathers at a friend's farm to pick red chile and make it into sauce and freeze it. i usually wind up with several quarts of the stuff. can't wait, i need it something fierce for my eggs in the morning.

I gave a couple cases to a friend of mine who was living in Cape Cod. He took some to a VFW he hangs at and they loved it. I guy who is in the military and flies to Afghanistan twice a month took a case & a half out there and gave it to our troops. Most of it ended up on the front lines. I got a few emails from those guys thanking me. Those were some of the best things I have ever received.

452 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:45:11pm

re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was ass-holie.

What? She wasn't a Pottymouth? Take up her banning with our blog host.

You don't think she will post there? I'll betcha.

453 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:45:30pm

re: #450 Decatur Deb

Local (AL) flea market has signs prohibiting hoodies and sunglasses in the admin area.

there you go.

454 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:45:49pm

re: #449 researchok

I suspect the number of hate crimes has increased greatly in the last year or so.

It's not unlike anti semitic acts. When Israel is in the news, the fools come out.

True that. Point noted. So both sets of data could be right.

455 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:45:58pm

re: #443 researchok

According to FBI statistics, hate crimes against Muslims were actually down over the past few years.

That said, I suspect the numbers will read very differently in the near future.

Last time I looked up that claim, the most recent statistics they had available was late 2008.

456 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:47:06pm

re: #452 austin_blue

Don't say that. I'd like her to apologize and come back, not go post there.

457 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:47:43pm

re: #454 Dark_Falcon

True that. Point noted. So both sets of data could be right.

Yes.

I would be very disheartened if crime against Muslims reached the level of anti semitic acts as recorded by the FBI. That would be a horror show.

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:48:17pm

re: #452 austin_blue

Sorry. How dare I try to stop someone from kicking someone who is down.

459 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:48:39pm

re: #455 elbruce

Last time I looked up that claim, the most recent statistics they had available was late 2008.

Yup. I noted that. I don't know when the new stats are released.

460 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:48:44pm

re: #457 researchok

Yes.

I would be very disheartened if crime against Muslims reached the level of anti semitic acts as recorded by the FBI. That would be a horror show.

I know what you mean but that kinda sounded funny...

461 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:48:54pm

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

That's not a good thing to say. And I checked over there: she hasn't posted there. But I do need to say something to one of the people over there:

To "Typicalwhitey": Go fuck yourself.

Just wait. Mandy has more in common with them than just her hate of Islam. She is incensed at what this site has become. Soft on Libruls, dontcha know.

462 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:49:07pm

re: #367 Alouette

Is it kosher? If it is, I am so trying it.

It's got a heksher, although not one I recognize off the top of my head--a K inside a star, with a shield around it. It's marked parve.

463 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:49:25pm

re: #461 austin_blue

Just wait. Mandy has more in common with them than just her hate of Islam. She is incensed at what this site has become. Soft on Libruls, dontcha know.

Why did that post twice?

464 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:49:30pm

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

I gave a couple cases to a friend of mine who was living in Cape Cod. He took some to a VFW he hangs at and they loved it. I guy who is in the military and flies to Afghanistan twice a month took a case & a half out there and gave it to our troops. Most of it ended up on the front lines. I got a few emails from those guys thanking me. Those were some of the best things I have ever received.

It kills the taste of other stuff. I was doing a lot of exercises with troops when they first put tiny bottles of McIlhennies (sp) tabasco sauce in MREs. The guys would wear them around their necks on the dog-tag chains.

465 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:50:01pm

re: #442 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was ass-holie.

No, actually FBV, it was spot on.

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:50:48pm

The kindness of liberals.

Makes me all warm and gushy inside.

467 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:50:52pm

re: #390 Alouette

I just looked it up on Chowhound, Huy Fong sauce is not reliably kosher, but there is an alternative brand that is kosher. Probably doesn't taste the same though.

Give it a try. The basic concept is just awesome.

468 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:51:47pm

re: #391 marjoriemoon

Point taken, but I'd say not so much in the big city.

My point really was that it doesn't have to hurt someone's pride in their state or community by admitting there is ongoing bigotry. I love Florida and wouldn't want to live anywhere else, but I know we have problems.

Name it, California's got it.

469 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:52:35pm

re: #396 goddamnedfrank

Sriracha is pretty weak though, it's tasty but there's a reason it comes in such a big bottle, you're going to use a lot of it if you have an asbestos mouth. Trader Joe's Jalepeno Pepper Hot Sauce is unbelievably good, just hot enough for me to enjoy, which means it will cauterize the average person's tongue if they don't approach with caution. Only three ingredients: red ripened jalapenos, distilled vinegar, and salt.

I love the sriracha though, because you can add as much or little as you need, and the heat is perfect for me.

470 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:53:05pm

re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist

Name it, California's got it.

mass transit?

471 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:53:23pm

Good night, Lizards! I've missed you guys. I have to get up super early. I'm shaving, posting/reading here, texting with Stanley Sea...all at once. :D

472 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:53:52pm

re: #405 Max D. Reinhardt

Alright can anyone tell me the origin of hummus without resorting to violence or childish downdinging?

/

Well, a long time ago, some woman in the Middle East thought, 'heck, if I mashed up some chickpeas and put in a little garlic and lemon juice, I bet it would taste great!

473 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:54:02pm

re: #461 austin_blue

Just wait. Mandy has more in common with them than just her hate of Islam. She is incensed at what this site has become. Soft on Libruls, dontcha know.

Mandy is a conservative, and she can be too defensive sometimes. That said, I found her to be loyal and honest to a fault. I don't think she hates Islam some much as she believes in drawing sharp distinctions between friends and enemies, as well as her anger as Islam's misogynistic streak.

474 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:54:06pm

re: #470 brookly red

mass transit?

Didn't LA used to have a subway? In the 20/s-30's?

475 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:54:20pm

I think racism is making a mainstream comeback unfortunately. Even a brief skim of the blogs, letters to editor, etc. produces more vitriol than actual conversation. It was, for a brief peaceful time, considered extremely unacceptable to seen as a racist. Now people just blow off such accusations. Today's Yahoo stories were about some a hole who murdered his exwife and her new boyfriend before shooting himself. The comments were all about whether his name (Diez) meant he was Mexican and there was a lot of anti Mexican blather. Then there was a story on 2 cops shot in Alaska...you guessed it. The race of all involved and Sarah Palin and whitey kills people too and blah blah. The story on Obama going to N. Orleans...comments about his wife being ugly and many references to monkeys.
The racial tensions are growing and I don't see them retreating soon.

476 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:54:23pm

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The kindness of liberals.

Makes me all warm and gushy inside.

???????

477 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:54:24pm

re: #464 Decatur Deb

It kills the taste of other stuff. I was doing a lot of exercises with troops when they first put tiny bottles of McIlhennies (sp) tabasco sauce in MREs. The guys would wear them around their necks on the dog-tag chains.

Tobasco sause is great. I love it too. My hot sauce is much better. I am not saying that just because I like it, I've been told that by everyone who has tried it. I just sent a case to Toronto a few weeks ago. I can't wait to hear the results. The guy who wanted it is a leader in the Indian community.

478 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:55:00pm

Three guesses what the big discussion over at the stalker site(s) is right now.

And R*dan is raising a big stink- even more than the fog that usually surrounds it.

479 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:55:25pm

re: #472 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, a long time ago, some woman in the Middle East thought, 'heck, if I mashed up some chickpeas and put in a little garlic and lemon juice, I bet it would taste great!

She was wrong. It tastes like wet paper bags.

480 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:55:30pm

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

That's not a good thing to say. And I checked over there: she hasn't posted there. But I do need to say something to one of the people over there:

To "Typicalwhitey": Go fuck yourself.

Seconded.

481 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:55:36pm

re: #275 Spare O'Lake

So for an insult you would see a person starve?
Your sanctimony is breathtaking.

Wow. Just wow. have you changed your medication lately? That has to be a drug reaction.

482 webevintage  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:55:57pm

I obviously missed something.

Watched the Emmys.
Yeah Modern Family, Tom Selleck is still hot and Alexander Skarsgard does not have an accent which makes me a bit sad, but he is sacry tall and made Al Pachino look like a midget.
I wanted to hear him talk with a Swedish accent.
smoking hot.

and Jimmy Fallon is not funny.

483 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #436 tnguitarist

I used to love spicy food, but at some point in my early 30's it stopped loving back.

Early 40's for me, but I still indulge on occasion. However, where once I'd go to 7 or 8 on a scale of 1 to 10, now I stop at 5.

484 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:57:07pm

re: #474 researchok

It sure as heck doesn't have one now.

485 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:57:18pm

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

Mandy is a conservative, and she can be too defensive sometimes. That said, I found her to be loyal and honest to a fault. I don't think she hates Islam some much as she believes in drawing sharp distinctions between friends and enemies, as well as her anger as Islam's misogynistic streak.

Then why didn't she defend a thirty year old, secular, Muslim community?

486 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:57:25pm

re: #482 webevintage

I obviously missed something.

Watched the Emmys.
Yeah Modern Family, Tom Selleck is still hot and Alexander Skarsgard does not have an accent which makes me a bit sad, but he is sacry tall and made Al Pachino look like a midget.
I wanted to hear him talk with a Swedish accent.
smoking hot.

and Jimmy Fallon is not funny.

People still watch those award shows?

487 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:57:26pm

re: #482 webevintage

I obviously missed something.

Watched the Emmys.
Yeah Modern Family, Tom Selleck is still hot and Alexander Skarsgard does not have an accent which makes me a bit sad, but he is sacry tall and made Al Pachino look like a midget.
I wanted to hear him talk with a Swedish accent.
smoking hot.

and Jimmy Fallon is not funny.

who?

488 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:58:00pm

re: #484 ProLifeLiberal

It sure as heck doesn't have one now.

I don't recall where I saw or read that. I'll look it up.

489 webevintage  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:59:06pm

re: #486 NJDhockeyfan

People still watch those award shows?

I do.
Sometimes.

490 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:59:10pm

You can keep the hummus. I always order the Baba Ganoush. Much more better.

491 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:59:27pm

re: #480 reine.de.tout

Seconded.

"Typical Whitey" is a major misnomer.
Nothing "typical" or "white" about a farging racist.
Put it here, bebe, and see how that feels.

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:59:59pm

re: #470 brookly red

mass transit?

I was thinking more in terms of 'types of bigots'.

493 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:00:29pm

re: #491 Floral Giraffe

"Typical Whitey" is a major misnomer.
Nothing "typical" or "white" about a farging racist.
Put it here, bebe, and see how that feels.

You have a hell of a right hook.

494 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:00:40pm

But, but, but, what about the evil and insidious "Stealth Jihad?"

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

Any day now apparently we will wake up to find ourselves suddenly under Sharia law and the Constitution shredded apparently...sheesh... ///

(Q: What is worse than being a racist fear monger?
A: Being an utterly ignorant racist fear monger! :p )

495 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:00:51pm

re: #485 austin_blue

Then why didn't she defend a thirty year old, secular, Muslim community?

If you're referring to Imam Rauf, she probably didn't like his habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth. Her ex-husband turned out to be a chameleon asshole, and she has very strong feeling about those who tell different stories to different people like Rauf does.

496 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:00:56pm

re: #474 researchok

Didn't LA used to have a subway? In the 20/s-30's?

LA still has a subway.

And in the Bay Area, we have BART. And CalTrain.

497 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:01:10pm

re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist

I was thinking more in terms of 'types of bigots'.

the law of big numbers I guess...

498 Alouenghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:01:30pm

re: #490 Mich-again

You can keep the hummus. I always order the Baba Ganoush. Much more better.

Hummus is ground chickpeas. Baba Ganoush is eggplant salad, Different foods, different tastes. Tahini is ground sesame seeds. S'hug and harissa are hot pepper sauces.

499 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:01:31pm

re: #484 ProLifeLiberal

It sure as heck doesn't have one now.

Check this out.

Subway in LA goes back a ways.

500 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:01:42pm

re: #479 NJDhockeyfan

She was wrong. It tastes like wet paper bags.

Maybe you have to grow up on the stuff.

How do you feel about felafel?

501 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:02:14pm

re: #443 researchok

Here's more...

Hate crimes against Muslims rare, FBI data shows

Hate crimes directed against Muslims remain relatively rare, notwithstanding the notoriety gained by incidents such as recent vandalism at an Islamic center in Madera, Calif.

Jews, lesbians, gay men and Caucasians, among others, are all more frequently the target of hate crimes, FBI records show. Reported anti-Muslim crimes have declined over recent years, though they still exceed what occurred prior to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

"We see hate crimes generally go in spurts, and are often in relation to international or domestic events," Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said Friday.

In 2008, 105 hate crime "incidents" against Muslims were reported nationwide. There were 10 times more incidents recorded as anti-Jewish during the same year, the most recent for which figures are available.

The number of anti-Muslim hate crimes leaped to a record 481 in 2001, apparently prompted by the terrorist attacks on the Pentagon and World Trade Center. It hasn't been nearly that high since.

All told, 7,783 reported hate crime incidents occurred in 2008. These incidents can take many forms.

502 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:02:17pm

re: #486 NJDhockeyfan

People still watch those award shows?

My husband is watching it as we speak.

503 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:02:32pm

re: #475 Escaped Hillbilly

It was, for a brief peaceful time, considered extremely unacceptable to seen as a racist. Now people just blow off such accusations.

Wingnuts have created a climate where racists have free reign. Look at them whining about "playing the race card." Or, every time we list hate speech examples from right-wingers wanting all Muslims thrown in death camps, the Magical Balance Fairy show up to quote left-wingers accusing right-wingers of racist tactics as if its the same thing.

And God forbid we should actually pull a Godwin and accuse them of similar rhetorical tactics to those used by the Third Reich; that gives them a free pass to OK exhorting the mass extermination of a whole people and claim that it's just "partisanship from both sides."

504 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:02:44pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

If you're referring to Imam Rauf, she probably didn't like his habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth. Her ex-husband turned out to be a chameleon asshole, and she has very strong feeling about those who tell different stories to different people like Rauf does.

From what I have read of Rauf he doesn't fit the profile you just built of him. What information do you have that I don't?

505 Bronco Bama FTW  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:02:53pm

Whoa. "Interesting" night on LGF. Can't say I didn't see this coming when the lizard community came out on the side of the Park 51 project. Hate eventually chokes the bearer and unfortunately that seems to be the situation this evening. The responsibility to maintain a constructive environment is heavy and I, for one, appreciate Charles endless efforts in that direction.

506 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:03:21pm

re: #496 SanFranciscoZionist

LA still has a subway.

And in the Bay Area, we have BART. And CalTrain.

I've done the BART thing. It's a lot like the Montreal Metro. Very similar.

I was refrring to an earlier subway I heard about in downtown LA. Apparently, there was a subway, now defunct.

507 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:03:31pm

Odd how regional stereotyping sets some people off, but ethnic or religious stereotyping not so much. As someone who's from Texas, half Hispanic, and Muslim, I've experienced my share of all three.

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:03:39pm

re: #497 brookly red

the law of big numbers I guess...

Also, multiple regions. We have urban bigots and rural bigots. Bigots of all colors and shapes and sizes.

509 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:03:53pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

If you're referring to Imam Rauf, she probably didn't like his habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth. Her ex-husband turned out to be a chameleon asshole, and she has very strong feeling about those who tell different stories to different people like Rauf does.

No. Murfreesboro.

And what the hell does her personal experience have to do with the Constitution and the Separation Clause??

510 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:04:06pm

re: #500 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe you have to grow up on the stuff.

How do you feel about felafel?

If it ain't steak and potatoes...

511 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:04:09pm

re: #499 researchok

Check this out.

Subway in LA goes back a ways.

That subway seems to have been a mile long. We're not talking IRT here. Let me see, where don't I want to be when the big one hits? Yeah, put 100 feet underground at 50 MPH on the list.

512 webevintage  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:04:20pm

re: #500 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe you have to grow up on the stuff.

How do you feel about felafel?

I never had hummus until 40 and wow, I love it.
Yummy, yummy, yummy.

513 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:04:53pm

re: #500 SanFranciscoZionist

Maybe you have to grow up on the stuff.

How do you feel about felafel?

I never had it but I'm willing to try it. I don't know if there is a restaurant around here that serves it though.

514 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:05:11pm

re: #506 researchok

I've done the BART thing. It's a lot like the Montreal Metro. Very similar.

I was refrring to an earlier subway I heard about in downtown LA. Apparently, there was a subway, now defunct.

I don't remember ever hearing about a subway, but they did have streetcars (a key plot point in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? based on history).

515 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:05:25pm

re: #479 NJDhockeyfan

She was wrong. It tastes like wet paper bags.

naw!
You have to make your own, and you can season it any way you want to!

I do like baba ganoush better (eggplant dip); however, hummos is very easy to make at home and again, you can season it however you want.

516 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:05:35pm

re: #512 webevintage

I never had hummus until 40 and wow, I love it.
Yummy, yummy, yummy.

Same here. I love it with tabbouleh.

517 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:06:02pm

re: #513 NJDhockeyfan

I never had it but I'm willing to try it. I don't know if there is a restaurant around here that serves it though.

Where are you again?

518 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:06:06pm

re: #498 Alouette

Hummus is ground chickpeas. Baba Ganoush is eggplant salad, Different foods, different tastes.

Well, they pretty much look identical, and they do compete on the menu for the Shwarma sidedish, so they aren't all that different.

519 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:06:36pm

re: #501 NJDhockeyfan

Here's more...

Hate crimes against Muslims rare, FBI data shows

I saw that. Remember though, these are pre Geller/Spenser/park51, etc. I expect the numbers have gone up.

When people get whipped into a frenzy or start buying into conspiracy theories, the nut jobs come out- often encouraged by lesser nut jobs (think anti abortion activists supporting the murderer of doctors, etc).

520 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:07:18pm

re: #511 Decatur Deb

That subway seems to have been a mile long. We're not talking IRT here. Let me see, where don't I want to be when the big one hits? Yeah, put 100 feet underground at 50 MPH on the list.

Probably had a lot to do with why it was shut down!

521 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:07:40pm

re: #511 Decatur Deb

That subway seems to have been a mile long. We're not talking IRT here. Let me see, where don't I want to be when the big one hits? Yeah, put 100 feet underground at 50 MPH on the list.

the IRT huh?

522 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:07:55pm

re: #507 CuriousLurker

As someone who's from Texas, half Hispanic, and Muslim...


Dear Lord, to listen to what us talk about on the Internets, you must get into at least three fistfights a day. /

523 palomino  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:08:04pm

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When someone told me today that they "hoped someone bombs that Mosque in NYC", I told them... "And, when it kills 43 children, I will remind you that you said that. I will also remind you that you were part of the hate that made it happen."

What in the hell is happening? Seriously?

Just a theory that I think explains part of it. The far right sees the cultural and demographic changes of the last few decades as a threat to their way of life. For all their talk of going back to some idyllic time in the past, many realize this isn't possible.

And thus they are fearful that, in another 20 years or so, all of America will look like San Fran or NYC. Irrational sentiments like the one you recount above then flow.

524 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:08:30pm

re: #521 brookly red

the IRT huh?

LBJ took the IRT down to 4th street, USA.

525 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:08:48pm

re: #503 elbruce
And it gets worse because the more you call people names, the more they respond in kind, the more you call them names back...

526 webevintage  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:09:09pm

re: #513 NJDhockeyfan

I never had it but I'm willing to try it. I don't know if there is a restaurant around here that serves it though.

I get it at a local Greek restaurant.
They serve it on the side of their spanakopita plate...you also get taziki sauce and pita bread.
yum.

527 darthstar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:09:19pm

re: #501 NJDhockeyfan

Here's more...

Hate crimes against Muslims rare, FBI data shows

Great! You can sleep like a baby tonight. Nothing to see here...move along now.

528 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:09:22pm

re: #524 Decatur Deb

LBJ took the IRT down to 4th street, USA.

no I think you went to NYU at one time ;)

529 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:09:55pm

re: #517 SanFranciscoZionist

Where are you again?

Near Charlottesville, Va.

530 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:09:58pm

re: #509 austin_blue

No. Murfreesboro.

And what the hell does her personal experience have to do with the Constitution and the Separation Clause??

I did know the Mufreesboro congregation was that old. I'd say she felt attacked and stereotyped and went into defense mode. I've seen people turn defensive like that and it can be impossible to talk them down until they are removed from the stimuli that caused them to become defensive. She wrong about the stereotyping and attacks, though. That needs to be noted.

531 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:10:39pm

re: #528 brookly red

no I think you went to NYU at one time ;)

Nah, couldn't afford it. I did live on University Ave, about a block away, for a few months.

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:10:40pm

re: #529 NJDhockeyfan

Near Charlottesville, Va.

Dunno about the restaurants around there.

533 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:10:52pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

If you're referring to Imam Rauf, she probably didn't like his habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth. Her ex-husband turned out to be a chameleon asshole, and she has very strong feeling about those who tell different stories to different people like Rauf does.

Or she might just be an obnoxious, muslim hating, bigoted jesusita.

Also, if you're going to join the chorus of haters talking shit about Rauf you might want to back it up with actual examples and reasoning, not unsupported assertion.

534 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:11:06pm

re: #514 ClaudeMonet

I don't remember ever hearing about a subway, but they did have streetcars (a key plot point in Who Framed Roger Rabbit? based on history).

See this and scroll down to Pacific Electric Subway

Very cool.

535 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:11:10pm

re: #519 researchok

Excellent point. But how do you calm everyone back down? Or do you just have to wait it out?

536 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:12:31pm

re: #535 Escaped Hillbilly

Spankings are always welcomed.
Changes up the conversation.
LOL!

537 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:12:48pm

re: #531 Decatur Deb

Nah, couldn't afford it. I did live on University Ave, about a block away, for a few months.

bowl-more lanes is still there.

538 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:13:04pm

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

If you're referring to Imam Rauf, she probably didn't like his habit of talking out of both sides of his mouth.

I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm willing to step up and claim that there's a 100% chance that you're a fucking liar.

539 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:13:33pm

re: #537 brookly red

You score?
At the bowl more?

540 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:13:36pm

re: #535 Escaped Hillbilly

Excellent point. But how do you calm everyone back down? Or do you just have to wait it out?

If had the answer to that...

A bit of both, leaning toward making very clear bias is not acceptable. That's what i think.

541 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:13:39pm

re: #534 researchok

See this and scroll down to Pacific Electric Subway

Very cool.

Quite cool. Some of those cars are the ones built by St. Louis Car Co. for Pittsbugh Railways. Streetcars were freedom for 10yr olds.

542 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:14:18pm

re: #538 elbruce

I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm willing to step up and claim that there's a 100% chance that you're a fucking liar.

Just stop attacking.
OK?

543 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:14:19pm

re: #541 Decatur Deb

Quite cool. Some of those cars are the ones built by St. Louis Car Co. for Pittsbugh Railways. Streetcars were freedom for 10yr olds.

You remember those? Really?

544 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:14:56pm

re: #537 brookly red

bowl-more lanes is still there.

Don't remember it--this was in '63, before the area turned into post-war Berlin.

545 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:14:56pm

G'night.

Stay calm everyone.

Peace.

546 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:14:58pm

re: #507 CuriousLurker

Odd how regional stereotyping sets some people off, but ethnic or religious stereotyping not so much. As someone who's from Texas, half Hispanic, and Muslim, I've experienced my share of all three.

You still here?

Oh this world. All I can say.

Keep posting.

547 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:15:22pm

re: #543 researchok

You remember those? Really?

He's older than dirt!
And I love him for it.
Your question was...?

548 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:15:48pm

re: #542 Floral Giraffe

Just stop attacking.
OK?

"Imam Rauf talks out of both sides of his mouth." No details. You're defending that claim.

And I'm the attacker? Sorry, I'm not going to let such outrageous claims go unchallenged.

549 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:15:58pm

re: #532 SanFranciscoZionist

Dunno about the restaurants around there.

There's not a whole lot of different restaurants to choose from. A few good Mexican restaurants, a bunch of Chinese....seem like there's one around every corner, and the usual steak, sandwich, and buffet types. In Staunton is my favorite, a German restaurant. I've always had a hard time finding German restaurants when I lived in Connecticut. This place is unbelievable.

550 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:15:58pm

re: #538 elbruce

I don't know what you're talking about, but I'm willing to step up and claim that there's a 100% chance that you're a fucking liar.

Whoa. Guys, let's turn the volume down.

551 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:16:03pm

re: #544 Decatur Deb

Don't remember it--this was in '63, before the area turned into post-war Berlin.

Stromboli's pizza?

552 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:16:13pm

re: #547 Floral Giraffe

He's older than dirt!
And I love him for it.
Your question was...?

Let's just say I will never get a carnival job guessing ages.

553 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:16:19pm

re: #530 Dark_Falcon

No, she's not, the statement was:

It's Tennessee folks.
That was a slight against Tennessee, then the history was brought up. Then she was banned and called a bigot, and has been called worse here on this blog by others.
She dished it out too, no doubt about that, but to say that there isn't stereotyping going on here and that Mandy wasn't attacked is simply rewriting what is pretty clear up-thread.
Want to see stereotyping? Try posting that all who oppose the park 51 center are bigots or tools of bigots (or some such nonsense) and watch your dings go up.
Then post that there might actually be some people who feel they have valid concerns and watch your numbers go down.

554 palomino  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:16:33pm

re: #58 MandyManners

Not all of Tennessee was pro-Confederacy. The mountainous region was Union.

BTW, how many federal troops did the federal government have to send into Tennessee in order to desegrate the schools? How many churches were bombed in Tennessee? How many voter-registration workers were killed in Tennessee?

Yes, MS and AL were worse.

That doesn't negate the shameful Klan history. Oh, and the lynchings.

555 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:16:40pm

re: #523 palomino

And thus they are fearful that, in another 20 years or so, all of America will look like San Fran or NYC. Irrational sentiments like the one you recount above then flow.

I personally, am more afraid we'll look like Paris.

(referring to a joke made earlier tonight.)

556 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:17:18pm

re: #543 researchok

You remember those? Really?

Must have 1000 hours on streetcars. A kid could get anywhere in Pittsburgh for a dime.

557 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:17:27pm

re: #530 Dark_Falcon

I did know the Mufreesboro congregation was that old. I'd say she felt attacked and stereotyped and went into defense mode. I've seen people turn defensive like that and it can be impossible to talk them down until they are removed from the stimuli that caused them to become defensive. She wrong about the stereotyping and attacks, though. That needs to be noted.

Well, she's gone. If you disagree with Charles' decision, talk to him. I think it was well earned. Her comments tonight were wrong wrong wrong. She had every opportunity to pull back. She didn't.

Adios, Mandy. I hope you have a nice life. But I'm not sorry that you are a gone pecan.

558 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:18:04pm

WTF?

Mandy got the stick?

559 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:18:22pm

re: #507 CuriousLurker

Odd how regional stereotyping sets some people off, but ethnic or religious stereotyping not so much. As someone who's from Texas, half Hispanic, and Muslim, I've experienced my share of all three.

So your a Texspiclim©?

560 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #548 elbruce

"Imam Rauf talks out of both sides of his mouth." No details. You're defending that claim.

And I'm the attacker? Sorry, I'm not going to let such outrageous claims go unchallenged.

You are an asshole. We have been having an adult discussion and you come in and post attacks on some lizards. Crawl back in your hole.

561 Canucknghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:18:32pm

re: #548 elbruce

"Imam Rauf talks out of both sides of his mouth." No details. You're defending that claim.

And I'm the attacker? Sorry, I'm not going to let such outrageous claims go unchallenged.

D_F may be wrong about Rauf, but that doesn't mean he's a liar. If you want him to back it up, fine, ask him to do it, but you don't have to call him a liar.

562 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:18:33pm

re: #553 Stonemason

I saw a very, very unkind remark made toward her the other day, and it was down-dinged like crazy, IIRC. FWIW.

563 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:18:36pm

Tribalism rules the day.

564 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:19:08pm

re: #558 Racer X

WTF?

Mandy got the stick?

they like to get you in a compromising position
They like to get you there and smille in your face
They think, they're so cute when they got you in that condition
Well i think, it's a total disgrace

the only Mellencamp song I like :)

565 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:19:21pm

re: #563 Mich-again

Tribalism rules the day.

The tribe has spoken.

/

566 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:19:33pm

re: #501 NJDhockeyfan

Here's more...

Hate crimes against Muslims rare, FBI data shows

No Way!

567 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:19:47pm

re: #553 Stonemason

Want to see stereotyping? Try posting that all who oppose the park 51 center are bigots or tools of bigots (or some such nonsense) and watch your dings go up.
Then post that there might actually be some people who feel they have valid concerns and watch your numbers go down.

The concerns aren't valid, no matter what they "feel." It's a matter of uninformed people being manipulated by bigots. There are therefore only 2 categories of Park51 opponents: uninformed or bigot. If after having received the relevant information you still oppose it, then you must be a bigot. Q.E.D.

568 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:20:02pm

re: #556 Decatur Deb

Must have 1000 hours on streetcars. A kid could get anywhere in Pittsburgh for a dime.

I can relate to that.

When I was allowed to ride the tube alone and with my friends, the whole world opened up. Mostly, we went to the East End because everyone knew that's where the best fish and chips were to had.

569 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:20:37pm

re: #553 Stonemason

No, she's not, the statement was:

It's Tennessee folks.
That was a slight against Tennessee, then the history was brought up. Then she was banned and called a bigot, and has been called worse here on this blog by others.
She dished it out too, no doubt about that, but to say that there isn't stereotyping going on here and that Mandy wasn't attacked is simply rewriting what is pretty clear up-thread.
Want to see stereotyping? Try posting that all who oppose the park 51 center are bigots or tools of bigots (or some such nonsense) and watch your dings go up.
Then post that there might actually be some people who feel they have valid concerns and watch your numbers go down.

I've heard plenty of crap about my hometown and region fly out of mouths around here. Today, even. Somehow, who comes running to whose defense mostly seems to break down on partisan lines.

570 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:20:48pm

re: #560 NJDhockeyfan

We have been having an adult discussion and you come in and post attacks on some lizards.

That claim was far from adult. Back it up or concede.

571 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:22:10pm

re: #548 elbruce So you are 100% sure that a poster is a "fucking liar" because they didn't include a link in their post. But no, you're not attacking anyone. Ha. Back in the day, someone might have asked for a link to back up the claim, not just revert to F-bomb mode.

572 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:22:22pm

re: #570 elbruce

That claim was far from adult. Back it up or concede.

your avatar says it all...

573 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:22:46pm

This has become a gang fight. I'm out.

Night Lizards.

574 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:22:47pm

re: #554 palomino

Yes, MS and AL were worse.

That doesn't negate the shameful Klan history. Oh, and the lynchings.

Indeed. Hate and mob mentality is a scary thing.
[Link: www.withoutsanctuary.org...]

575 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:24:38pm

re: #570 elbruce

Well, you are the one who said you are 100% sure there is no link to back up the claim so why even ask for it.

576 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:24:59pm

re: #567 elbruce

And with that, my point is made.

Too bad you mind is so closed that any and all opposition is classified as 'beneath' you. Does it make you feel better that people who think differnetly than you are a lower class of human? Do you realize that you now consider yourself superior to a very large portion of humanity?

What is that, exactly?

577 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:25:22pm

re: #553 Stonemason

No, she's not, the statement was:

It's Tennessee folks.
That was a slight against Tennessee, then the history was brought up. Then she was banned and called a bigot, and has been called worse here on this blog by others.
She dished it out too, no doubt about that, but to say that there isn't stereotyping going on here and that Mandy wasn't attacked is simply rewriting what is pretty clear up-thread.
Want to see stereotyping? Try posting that all who oppose the park 51 center are bigots or tools of bigots (or some such nonsense) and watch your dings go up.
Then post that there might actually be some people who feel they have valid concerns and watch your numbers go down.

578 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:25:29pm

re: #571 Mich-again

So you are 100% sure that a poster is a "fucking liar" because they didn't include a link in their post. But no, you're not attacking anyone. Ha. Back in the day, someone might have asked for a link to back up the claim, not just revert to F-bomb mode.

Back in the day, most Lizards weren't so thin-skinned. We would beat the shit out of each other, then shake hands afterwards.

It's only the internet, folks.

579 Bear  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:25:37pm

Growing up in SF there was almost no need for automobiles to get around town. There were two streetcar lines, one public and one private. Yes I might have had to walk a mile from the house to get a streetcar. Then there were two different electric trains in the East Bay. After the Bay Bridge was built the electric train ran from SF over the bridge to many places in Oakland and Berkeley. It was a only after a couple of years going to UC Berkeley from SF that I owned a car. Streetcar from home to the electric train terminal in downtown then over the bridge on the electric trains and a walk to the University.

580 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:25:52pm

re: #573 austin_blue

Whoa! You threw a punch... WTF?

581 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:25:54pm

re: #569 SanFranciscoZionist

I've heard plenty of crap about my hometown and region fly out of mouths around here.


Me too, and Texas will just have to take it's lumps.
Deflecting a thread about possible intimidation of innocent people into hurt feelings on behalf of a region is just deflection.

582 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:26:00pm
583 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:26:20pm

Dutch court fines Muslim group for Holocaust-denial cartoon

LONDON – A Nasserite European Muslim group was fined €2,500 ($3,200) by a Dutch court earlier this month for publishing a cartoon suggesting the Holocaust was made up or exaggerated by Jews.

Overruling a lower court’s acquittal, the Appeals Court in Arnhem said on August 19 that the cartoon published on the Web site of the Belgiumand Netherlands-based Arab European League (AEL) in 2006 was “unnecessarily hurtful.”

In addition to the fine, it imposed a two-year probation period on the group.

“The court points out that the European Court of Human Rights, which considers freedom of speech of paramount importance and defends it thoroughly, makes an exception for the denial or trivialization of the Holocaust,” the court said.

AEL said it published the cartoon, along with other ones questioning the Holocaust, after a Danish newspaper published a cartoon of the prophet Muhammad, which led to a mass outcry by Muslims across the world in 2006.

The cartoon depicts two men in Auschwitz standing over a mass of dead bodies.

“I don’t think they are Jews,” one man says.

“We have to get to the 6,000,000 [figure] somehow,” says the other.

Another cartoon depicted Anne Frank lying in bed with Adolf Hitler, who says, “Write this one in your diary, Anne.”

In another, Steven Spielberg and Lord of the Rings director Peter Jackson are depicted making a film on the Holocaust, with Jackson saying, “I don’t think I have that much imagination.”

What a bunch of jerks.

584 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:26:48pm

re: #551 brookly red

Stromboli's pizza?

Vaguely--I was right next to NYU, near the public library, up from St. Nicholas Church. The area was almost all detatched houses. There wasn't much commercial until Fordham Ave.

585 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:26:50pm

re: #570 elbruce

That claim was far from adult. Back it up or concede.

Sometimes, there is a posting history, and "relationship" with the poster, that needs to be taken into consideration. You're fairly new here, not that that does or doesn't mean anything. Mandy is/was a long time poster, muchly valued here. {lease make some effort to be polite, at least.

586 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:27:03pm

re: #569 SanFranciscoZionist

I like San Francisco more than I used to.

Only because of some Zionist who lives there.

587 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:27:10pm

re: #582 Food Lion

Well, that was dumb.

588 researchok  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:27:35pm

re: #582 Food Lion

I guess a real prick like you would be an authority.

589 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:27:50pm

re: #548 elbruce

"Imam Rauf talks out of both sides of his mouth." No details. You're defending that claim.

And I'm the attacker? Sorry, I'm not going to let such outrageous claims go unchallenged.

He claims to "build bridges" and then says America has killed more Muslims than Al Qaeda. He publishes a book that's sold here with a nice conciliatory title, and a title many here find alarming overseas. Then he condemns terrorism but refuse to call Hamas out as the terrorist organization it is. That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

590 Mark Pennington  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:28:04pm

re: #582 Food Lion

LoL Food Lion.... I'm really signing off now. I don't want to since I know I'll miss more craziness. :D

591 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:28:08pm

re: #571 Mich-again

So you are 100% sure that a poster is a "fucking liar" because they didn't include a link in their post. But no, you're not attacking anyone

Oh, I'm locked-in-lasers attacking. No claims of peacability here. Maybe I'm just not as good at disguising my intolerant over-the-board aggressive claims as, oh, somebody who's accusing Imam Rauf of "talking out of both sides of his mouth" without referencing what he's referring to, while hoping that nobody will notice he slipped that on the table. That's some pretty sneaky ninja slander, there.

If my only sin here is is making my aggression too uncomfortably overt than those who can commit their character assassination via the backstab, then I'm relatively comfortable with that.

592 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:28:12pm

re: #569 SanFranciscoZionist

I've heard plenty of crap about my hometown and region fly out of mouths around here. Today, even. Somehow, who comes running to whose defense mostly seems to break down on partisan lines.

Yeah, but you have Haight/Ashbury and the legacy of Jerry. How can it be bad?

593 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:29:03pm
594 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:29:20pm

re: #591 elbruce

That'd be a cool name for a Rock Band.

"Ninja Slander".

595 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:29:24pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

He claims to "build bridges" and then says America has killed more Muslims than Al Qaeda. He publishes a book that's sold here with a nice conciliatory title, and a title many here find alarming overseas. Then he condemns terrorism but refuse to call Hamas out as the terrorist organization it is. That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

let it be... the worm is turning.

596 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:29:36pm

re: #577 Stanley Sea

gdmnit that my whole long post didn't make it.

Mandy was an asshole Muslim hater.

bottom line. she danced around it recently because it didn't fit in.

She was recently called out on an old post where she said she was teaching her kid to hate Islam.

When this appeared she said she hadn't changed her position.

Then she cooked pork roasts.

BULLSHIT. and I so concur

597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:30:04pm

re: #592 Stonemason

Yeah, but you have Haight/Ashbury and the legacy of Jerry. How can it be bad?

Oh yeah. One can't love everything about the city.

598 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:30:40pm

re: #567 elbruce

Wow that's unenlightened. Do you suppose you know every person's every reason, know more than every person, and are never wrong? Please. Not every person is either a bigot or stupid if they oppose. Most, nearly all, the majority, but not every person. Some people have their very own personal thoughts or feeling completely unmanipulated by anyone else. They may be wrong, but they are not necessarily stupid or bigoted. And reacting that way just further incites and galvanizes.

599 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:30:44pm

re: #593 elbruce

That's the cost of posting comments at someone's personal blog, which LGF is.

Really? Nope, Food dude had it wrong.
I don't agree with everything posted here and I won't kiss anyone's boots. I try to disagree with some respect and class.

Unlike you.

600 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:30:52pm

re: #559 ausador

So your a Texspiclim©?

You might want to watch it is that "spic" part there in the middle. Just sayin'.

601 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:31:15pm

re: #596 Stanley Sea

gdmnit that my whole long post didn't make it.

Mandy was an asshole Muslim hater.

bottom line. she danced around it recently because it didn't fit in.

She was recently called out on an old post where she said she was teaching her kid to hate Islam.

When this appeared she said she hadn't changed her position.

Then she cooked pork roasts.

BULLSHIT. and I so concur

She did say her views hadn't changed.

602 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:31:32pm

re: #582 Food Lion

See ya in the carbo isle. Er, the rice and pasta isle.

603 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:31:34pm

re: #591 elbruce

Your sabers need tightening.
Or brighteneing.
I'm just trying to get you to sharpen your wits...

604 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:31:50pm

re: #582 Food Lion

ddn't rlze ths ste ws crcl jrk.

vryn mst gr wth Charles nd lck hs bts? N thnks.

Ltr lsrs.

Flouncer says what?

605 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:32:45pm

re: #600 CuriousLurker

You might want to watch it is with that "spic" part there in the middle. Just sayin'.

PIMF

606 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:32:52pm

re: #604 Dark_Falcon

Flouncer tried to say...
"fud is good. Hungry bad."

607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:33:09pm

re: #598 Escaped Hillbilly

And reacting that way just further incites and galvanizes.


And is obviously waaay more fun.

608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:34:08pm

re: #582 Food Lion

Those damn class of 10s.

609 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:34:13pm

re: #592 Stonemason

Yeah, but you have Haight/Ashbury and the legacy of Jerry. How can it be bad?

That's flattering!

Fact remains, though, the folks running to defend Mandy's trauma over hearing Tennesseans called bigoted hicks (which they weren't, precisely) don't seem to care much, for the most part, when Californians are called anti-American, anti-Israel haters who look down on 'flyover country'.

I don't sweat it too much, or I try not to. And I try to be fair-minded about everyone's hood. But there is a partisan double-standard operating, and the dirty hands are not on one side or the other.

610 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:34:16pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

He claims to "build bridges" and then says America has killed more Muslims than Al Qaeda. He publishes a book that's sold here with a nice conciliatory title, and a title many here find alarming overseas. Then he condemns terrorism but refuse to call Hamas out as the terrorist organization it is. That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

Again, D_F, read what has been posted here, at LGF. Your fears will be calmed.

611 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:34:20pm

re: #606 Floral Giraffe

Flouncer tried to say...
"fud is good. Hungry bad."

He's a shithead, who came here, made a mixed initial impression, only to flounce away spewing Stalker propaganda.

612 jaunte  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:34:35pm

re: #608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Those damn class of 10s.

Numberist!

613 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:35:21pm

re: #591 elbruce ha. While you were typing all that, the answer came 2 posts before. You're not going to make much of a living defending Imams against the accusation of talking out both sides of their mouth depending on the audience. Pretty standard fare there. One version for the faithful, another for the non-faithful.

614 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:36:01pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

That's flattering!

Fact remains, though, the folks running to defend Mandy's trauma over hearing Tennesseans called bigoted hicks (which they weren't, precisely) don't seem to care much, for the most part, when Californians are called anti-American, anti-Israel haters who look down on 'flyover country'.

I don't sweat it too much, or I try not to. And I try to be fair-minded about everyone's hood. But there is a partisan double-standard operating, and the dirty hands are not on one side or the other.

Let it be known that I defended your fine city on that thread.

615 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:36:15pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

That's flattering!

Fact remains, though, the folks running to defend Mandy's trauma over hearing Tennesseans called bigoted hicks (which they weren't, precisely) don't seem to care much, for the most part, when Californians are called anti-American, anti-Israel haters who look down on 'flyover country'.

I don't sweat it too much, or I try not to. And I try to be fair-minded about everyone's hood. But there is a partisan double-standard operating, and the dirty hands are not on one side or the other.

Still, the world is more interesting with Mandy in it. I hope she can be recovered.

616 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:36:40pm

re: #613 Mich-again

ha. While you were typing all that, the answer came 2 posts before. You're not going to make much of a living defending Imams against the accusation of talking out both sides of their mouth depending on the audience. Pretty standard fare there. One version for the faithful, another for the non-faithful.

We're now going to extrapolate from Rauf's (not very impressive) wrongdoings to imams in general? That's a lot of religious leaders to accuse of being two-talking snakes.

617 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:36:49pm

re: #613 Mich-again

Politicians, salespeople, hair stylists, teachers...

618 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:36:51pm

re: #614 tnguitarist

Let it be known that I defended your fine city on that thread.

Much appreciated.

619 brookly red  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:37:08pm

well good night folks

620 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:37:09pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

That's flattering!

Fact remains, though, the folks running to defend Mandy's trauma over hearing Tennesseans called bigoted hicks (which they weren't, precisely) don't seem to care much, for the most part, when Californians are called anti-American, anti-Israel haters who look down on 'flyover country'.

I don't sweat it too much, or I try not to. And I try to be fair-minded about everyone's hood. But there is a partisan double-standard operating, and the dirty hands are not on one side or the other.

Everybody must get stoned.

621 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:37:11pm

re: #582 Food Lion

Hey frakhead, nobody's forcing you to post. The door's that way, whether you choose to go through it by your own free well or be punted through it is your call.

622 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:37:17pm

re: #583 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, disgusting. But they should have as much right to publish that crap as an artist has to depict someone peeing on a cross, or the prophet with a bomb shaped turban, or any other expression of one's religious or political views. Unless it actually calls for violence or acutally causes harm (fire in a theater) it should be free. But that isn't the US and we didn't write their laws.

623 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:37:41pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

He claims to "build bridges" and then says America has killed more Muslims than Al Qaeda. He publishes a book that's sold here with a nice conciliatory title, and a title many here find alarming overseas. Then he condemns terrorism but refuse to call Hamas out as the terrorist organization it is. That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

1.) He said the West, not America, and was referring to a long bloody history of Western oil & foreign policy on the middle east, your pollyanna view of history notwithstanding.

2.) Publishers pick foreign titles, you alarm is your own, be a man and own it, don't foist it off on him. That's cowardly. Fear is the mind killer.

3.) He doesn't want to become a target. In that same interview where the bigoted piece of trash tried to corner him on Hamas he says that he is a supporter of the State of Israel, but you seem to have made a deliberate decision to omit that. Why?

Because it doesn't support the rather disgusting and incredibly deceptive narrative you're attempting to construct.

624 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:38:10pm

Let's face it, unless you have the patience of a saint you can't continue to post someplace where many of the regulars are hostile to you (exempting certain people with a "troll" type personality who actually enjoy it). You may say your an adult and it is all just "words on a screen" but the attacks and the snide remarks do wear on you.

I have made a few comments here before about people going beyond simply refuting someones response, instead they attacked them personally and remorselessly over and over in an attempt to drive them off the site...gee...who was that I was talking about being attacked?...

Doesn't matter at all now I guess, since they finally snapped and the ones doing the hounding have won...oh well. :(

//Yeah, this will be a much better site once everyone here thinks exactly alike on every issue and there is no dissension at all... (sigh, stupid twits)

625 avanti  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:38:54pm

re: #613 Mich-again

ha. While you were typing all that, the answer came 2 posts before. You're not going to make much of a living defending Imams against the accusation of talking out both sides of their mouth depending on the audience. Pretty standard fare there. One version for the faithful, another for the non-faithful.


re: #589 Dark_Falcon

He claims to "build bridges" and then says America has killed more Muslims than Al Qaeda. He publishes a book that's sold here with a nice conciliatory title, and a title many here find alarming overseas. Then he condemns terrorism but refuse to call Hamas out as the terrorist organization it is. That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

His comments are technically accurate, but not PC. I'm sure we killed more in civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan than Al Qaeda, but we did not do it on purpose. As to Hamas, he used the old one persons terrorist is another freedom fighter argument. i.e. the Jews blew up a hotel in it's fight for a homeland.
I don't agree with either statement, but I'm not a Muslim either.

626 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:39:09pm

0re: #622 Escaped Hillbilly

Yes, disgusting. But they should have as much right to publish that crap as an artist has to depict someone peeing on a cross, or the prophet with a bomb shaped turban, or any other expression of one's religious or political views. Unless it actually calls for violence or acutally causes harm (fire in a theater) it should be free. But that isn't the US and we didn't write their laws.

Don't they have laws against Holocaust denial like Germany?

627 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:39:21pm

re: #618 SanFranciscoZionist

Much appreciated.

And I defended my state. I'm consistent, if anything.

628 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:40:07pm

re: #609 SanFranciscoZionist

You are right about the rush to defend and that there is a partisan line. The problem occurs when one side of that line continually claims that the other side is worse or that the crap they spew isn't nearly as bad.

Think about what might have happened had Sharpton just took his whole troop over to the other gathering and said with a smile: We love this country too, can we join you?
If the Beckites had balked, then "bigots, one and all", but no, Mr. Sharpton declined the invite, preferring to 'protest' Becks event.

629 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:40:21pm

re: #626 NJDhockeyfan

0

Don't they have laws against Holocaust denial like Germany?

I'm positive they do.

630 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:40:50pm

re: #607 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Well, true. You got me.

631 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:40:52pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

He claims to "build bridges" and then says America has killed more Muslims than Al Qaeda.

Do a body count. It's a fact. Unless you've got some new method of mathematics, we win.


re: #589 Dark_Falcon

He publishes a book that's sold here with a nice conciliatory title, and a title many here find alarming overseas.

We can find it as alarming as we want to, but the contents of the book remain the same. A translation of the title doesn't "translate" his entire message into its diametric opposite. The worst that can happen is that some "bomb America" nutjob gets screwed out of the cover price when he gets the book home and finds out it's full of a bunch of pro-America crap cover to cover. Ha haa, screw you Islamofascist! You done got punk'd by Rauf!


re: #589 Dark_Falcon

Then he condemns terrorism but refuse to call Hamas out as the terrorist organization it is. That's called talking out of both sides of your mouth.

I imagine it would have been easier if Hamas hadn't been democratically elected by Palestine. Which do you choose to refudiate, democracy or Hamas? But yeah, he probably should have made it clear that he refudiated them to the degree that they support terrorism.

On the other hand, unlike us, he's doing speaking tours throughout the Middle East catching as much crap as we throw at him from the "Muslim side." His job is to walk a fine line that brings them closer to our way of thinking. From a practical consideration, it's the only way that moderate Islam can be promoted. If you just want to write off the entire Muslim world and go to war, that's one thing, and I'll be right there in your face if you want to support that. But if you think that they're redeemable, that Islam can be integrated with Western ideals, then it's up to people like Rauf to make it happen. That requires him retaining at least some legitimacy over there.

PS: Thanks for actually stating the case for discussion, rather than just waving me off for coming on too strong. You're the first post to actually address the issue that I challenged.

632 efuseakay  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:40:55pm

Hmmm... local news reported that this was the THIRD "incident" there... wtf...

633 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:41:41pm

re: #628 Stonemason

You are right about the rush to defend and that there is a partisan line. The problem occurs when one side of that line continually claims that the other side is worse or that the crap they spew isn't nearly as bad.

Think about what might have happened had Sharpton just took his whole troop over to the other gathering and said with a smile: We love this country too, can we join you?
If the Beckites had balked, then "bigots, one and all", but no, Mr. Sharpton declined the invite, preferring to 'protest' Becks event.

Maybe he thought he was being used as a political tool by Beck? After all, Beck has said such kind things about him in the past.

634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:42:15pm

re: #618 SanFranciscoZionist

But... I've been on a stretch of Mission Street (forgot exactly where. Been in just about every major city in America.

That was the worst, most "skid-row-ish" place I've ever seen in my life.

635 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:42:53pm

re: #606 Floral Giraffe

Flouncer tried to say...
"fud is good. Hungry bad."

I'll sell you food! If I'm smart I won't talk politics!

Holy shit, every time I see a Food Lion (never, so far) I'll run.

Good job!

636 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:42:57pm

re: #627 tnguitarist

And I defended my state. I'm consistent, if anything.

You also did so without going into a sulk. You're consistent and mature!

637 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:43:09pm

re: #616 SanFranciscoZionist

We're now going to extrapolate from Rauf's (not very impressive) wrongdoings to imams in general? That's a lot of religious leaders to accuse of being two-talking snakes.

Call me a skeptic, particularly when the subject turns to Israel.

638 avanti  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:43:16pm

In some ways, I feel sorry for Mandy, even though she was one of my tormentors early on. It must have been a rough transition from the days when insulting a liberal would get you a few dozen updings to not being able share your true feeling on a subject.

639 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:45:02pm

re: #638 avanti

I always like your car posts!
*waves*

640 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:45:10pm

re: #636 SanFranciscoZionist

You also did so without going into a sulk. You're consistent and mature!

We have good folks here, too.

Murfreesboro resident and attorney John Green stopped at the site as he rode by on his motorcycle Saturday.

He offered his legal service to members of the Islamic center for free and said other Tennessee lawyers have done the same.

"It's humiliating," Green said. "I grew up in the public schools here. My daughter grew up in the schools here. This is absolutely unacceptable."

641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:45:10pm

re: #638 avanti

Sadly? True as heck. Well said.

642 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:45:22pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But... I've been on a stretch of Mission Street (forgot exactly where. Been in just about every major city in America.

That was the worst, most "skid-row-ish" place I've ever seen in my life.

There are some stretches of Mission that are pretty awesomely bad.

643 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:45:31pm

re: #626 NJDhockeyfan
Yeah. That's what I guess I didn't say well. I think they should be free to publish. But they have their own laws.

644 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:46:41pm

re: #614 tnguitarist

Let it be known that I defended your fine city on that thread.

CAL!

GO BEARS! You damn smarty left wingers!

GO!!!!

645 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:47:05pm

re: #631 elbruce

I appreciate your posting and your thoughts.
LOTS of folks just read....
Thanks for posting, even if we don't always agree!

646 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:47:27pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow! It looks very pretty on the Googlemaps! 2000 block... I swear... I haven't stepped over many homeless people in my life... but that was awful on that particular day.

647 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:48:06pm

I'm going to go to bed now. I'll be back tomorrow evening.

648 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:48:33pm

re: #633 tnguitarist

Maybe he thought he was being used as a political tool by Beck? After all, Beck has said such kind things about him in the past.

Agreed, Beck is an opportunistic fear mongering so and so. But if Sharpton claims to be the better man, he accepts and makes the case for inclusion that much stronger. But if he did that, there wouldn't be two sides, there wouldn't be a winner and a loser.

649 Nimed  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:48:57pm

Holy shit.

650 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:49:08pm

re: #615 Decatur Deb

Still, the world is more interesting with Mandy in it. I hope she can be recovered.

I will be vocal. How?

Not with bullshit. Please.

651 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:49:56pm

re: #628 Stonemason

You are right about the rush to defend and that there is a partisan line. The problem occurs when one side of that line continually claims that the other side is worse or that the crap they spew isn't nearly as bad.

Think about what might have happened had Sharpton just took his whole troop over to the other gathering and said with a smile: We love this country too, can we join you?
If the Beckites had balked, then "bigots, one and all", but no, Mr. Sharpton declined the invite, preferring to 'protest' Becks event.

I don't love this country the way Glenn Beck does.

Becky loves America the way a glutton loves his lunch.

652 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:50:36pm

re: #650 Stanley Sea

I will be vocal. How?

Not with bullshit. Please.

There seems to be a process of redemption. A couple lizards have been to the banks of the Styx and back.

653 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:51:42pm

All local mosques told to increase security.

"It's some kind of sign. And the message we're getting is to be scared and to be honest with you it's working.

654 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:51:49pm

re: #600 CuriousLurker

You might want to watch it is that "spic" part there in the middle. Just sayin'.

My last name is Garcia, so I'm entitled to use the term if I choose. :p

655 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:53:02pm

re: #653 tnguitarist

All local mosques told to increase security.

And Spencergeller's fans rejoice.

656 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:53:25pm

Shooting at Mormon Church in Visalia

The Visalia Police Department is investigating a shooting at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Visalia. The church is located at 825 W. Tulare Ave near Conyer St.

Police say a man shot and killed 42-year-old Clay Sannar. Sannar was a Bishop at the church.

According to Visalia Police, the shooter then drove to the area of Divisadero St and Burrel Ave. He called police and told them he had shot the Bishop.

When officers arrived, the man shot at officers. Visalia Police then opened fire on him.

Visalia Police Chief Colleen Mestas has confirmed to KMPH News that the shooter has died. His identity has not been released.

I hope the shooter had a painful death. What a fucking douchebag.

657 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:53:52pm

re: #648 Stonemason

Sharpton the better man? He has managed to clean up his image. But I remember a different Sharpton. He's a showman just like Beck. They're hawking different shows is all.

658 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:54:24pm

re: #656 NJDhockeyfan

Shooting at Mormon Church in Visalia

The Visalia Police Department is investigating a shooting at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Visalia. The church is located at 825 W. Tulare Ave near Conyer St.

Police say a man shot and killed 42-year-old Clay Sannar. Sannar was a Bishop at the church.

According to Visalia Police, the shooter then drove to the area of Divisadero St and Burrel Ave. He called police and told them he had shot the Bishop.

When officers arrived, the man shot at officers. Visalia Police then opened fire on him.

Visalia Police Chief Colleen Mestas has confirmed to KMPH News that the shooter has died. His identity has not been released.

I hope the shooter had a painful death. What a fucking douchebag.

Good, saves the cost of a trial.

659 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:54:36pm

re: #655 Cato the Elder

And Spencergeller's fans rejoice.

I just wanted to point that quote out. Isn't that what terrorists do? Incite fear?

660 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:54:53pm

re: #656 NJDhockeyfan

Shooting at Mormon Church in Visalia

The Visalia Police Department is investigating a shooting at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in Visalia. The church is located at 825 W. Tulare Ave near Conyer St.

Police say a man shot and killed 42-year-old Clay Sannar. Sannar was a Bishop at the church.

According to Visalia Police, the shooter then drove to the area of Divisadero St and Burrel Ave. He called police and told them he had shot the Bishop.

When officers arrived, the man shot at officers. Visalia Police then opened fire on him.

Visalia Police Chief Colleen Mestas has confirmed to KMPH News that the shooter has died. His identity has not been released.

I hope the shooter had a painful death. What a fucking douchebag.

We should all start guessing as to the race / religion of the shooter.

661 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:55:17pm

re: #658 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good, saves the cost of a trial.

Suicide by cop.

662 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:55:22pm

re: #633 tnguitarist

Maybe he thought he was being used as a political tool by Beck? After all, Beck has said such kind things about him in the past.

Like I've said before, if a wingnut starts praising you (9/11 families and first responders, troops, veterans, the Constitution, etc) check your back for knives.

663 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:55:57pm

re: #657 Escaped Hillbilly

Sharpton the better man? He has managed to clean up his image. But I remember a different Sharpton. He's a showman just like Beck. They're hawking different shows is all.

That was my point, it isn't really about the country, the flag, the people with Beck and Sharpton, it's about ratings and money and perceived power.

664 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:56:36pm

re: #660 Racer X

We should all start guessing as to the race / religion of the shooter.

A White Quaker!

665 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:56:36pm

re: #660 Racer X

We should all start guessing as to the race / religion of the shooter.

Race was "Human". His cosmological questions have been resolved.

666 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:56:44pm

re: #658 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Good, saves the cost of a trial.

A trial is preferable; gets more facts out. But whatev.

667 Bear  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:57:14pm

re: #634 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

3rd and Mission was one place in the 1930s that was not too nice. Rather strange tho since one block away was Market St with the big dry goods stores, Hales Bros and The Emporium

668 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:57:19pm
669 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:57:52pm

re: #628 Stonemason

You are right about the rush to defend and that there is a partisan line. The problem occurs when one side of that line continually claims that the other side is worse or that the crap they spew isn't nearly as bad.

Think about what might have happened had Sharpton just took his whole troop over to the other gathering and said with a smile: We love this country too, can we join you?
If the Beckites had balked, then "bigots, one and all", but no, Mr. Sharpton declined the invite, preferring to 'protest' Becks event.

Yeah, what if?

670 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:58:11pm

re: #660 Racer X

We should all start guessing as to the race / religion of the shooter.

A Norwegian (white) disciple of Thor!

671 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:58:24pm
672 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:58:38pm

re: #668 Food Lion
I thought you were leaving? Not that I'm insisting you do.

673 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:59:06pm

re: #666 elbruce

A trial is preferable; gets more facts out. But whatev.

Facts? He walked into a church, pulled out a gun, and killed a Bishop of the church. That's the facts. Now he's fucking dead.

674 avanti  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:59:21pm

re: #641 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sadly? True as heck. Well said.

I feel I must have given her several 1000 updings by the other lizards when she's say "THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING POINT" in a reply to many of my posts. Thankfully, it takes more than cute lines to make the top ten now.

675 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:59:30pm

re: #524 Decatur Deb

LBJ took the IRT down to 4th street, USA.

When he got there
What did he see
The youth of America
On LSD

For those unfamiliar with the musical Hair, Decatur Deb's post and my continuation are from the song "Initials". "4th Street USA" is the subway stop for NYU and Washington Square, as well as a massive interchange between subway lines. My parents each took the subway to and graduated from NYU, so I heard a lot about the area.

A couple of years ago, I helped out on a production of Hair. Mostly I ran lights, but I also did some "cultural background" work with the kids, explaining stuff that even the older cast members (and the director, who's about 40) didn't understand. The highlight was when I showed them my genuine original draft card. That impressed most, but got the younger girls thinking I was creepy because I'm so "old".

676 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:59:45pm

re: #670 ausador

A Norwegian (white) disciple of Thor!

I say thee NAY!

/

677 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 9:59:46pm

re: #668 Food Lion

Personal blog, or cult. I can't tell the difference.

It's a cult.

Youtube Video
678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:00:09pm

re: #663 Stonemason

I saw more black folks in Glenn's crowd than I saw white folks in Al's crowd.

679 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:00:12pm
680 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:01:05pm

re: #679 Food Lion

LOL. You're the biggest loser on this site. Grow a spine, weenie. Mandy was supposed to be your friend. Wise up, chump. You'll be next.

No, I think you've sown up that coveted spot quite well.

681 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:01:15pm

re: #660 Racer X

I wanna play! I'll take Romulan posing as a Vulcan. If I win what do I get?

682 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:01:44pm

re: #679 Food Lion

She was a friend of mine.

683 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:01:47pm

I think we could use a mental health break.

Youtube Video
684 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:01:59pm

An intellectual is a person who’s found one thing that’s more interesting than sex.
- Aldous Huxley

685 avanti  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:02:20pm

re: #647 Dark_Falcon

I'm going to go to bed now. I'll be back tomorrow evening.

Night Dark.

686 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:03:20pm

re: #678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I saw more black folks in Glenn's crowd than I saw white folks in Al's crowd.

I ran into a video, forget where now, where a white kid was asking some Tea Party guys why they didn't hate white people for forcing them to join the 'white religion' of Christianity.

687 BryanS  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:03:24pm

So I drop in after a while, and what do I find, Mandy gets the ban stick and Cato is back. Ohh, what fun drama.

688 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:03:26pm
689 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:03:56pm

re: #678 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
That's cause the whites are too racist to join big Al.

690 avanti  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:04:20pm

re: #679 Food Lion

Dark is a friend, and often a calming influence and you are a shit stirrer.

691 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:06:13pm

re: #683 tnguitarist

Come they told me pah rump pum pum pum...

692 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:06:13pm

re: #690 avanti

Dark is a friend, and often a calming influence and you are a shit stirrer.

Food Lion is just a pile of shit. Try not to step in it.

693 Nimed  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:06:27pm

re: #668 Food Lion

Well, to be honest, I personally don't think Mandy committed a banning offense in this case. But it's always funny when people like you stick around just to post idiotic and offensive remarks. If you don't like it here, why on earth are you sticking around? Just go somewhere else, dude. Or, to use a cliché, start your own damn blog.

694 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:06:33pm

re: #668 Food Lion

Personal blog, or cult. I can't tell the difference.

I'm almost as new as you, but I feel at home here enough to tell you to kindly GTFO.

695 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:08:15pm
696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:08:30pm

re: #686 Stonemason

Sounds like a pretty racist question to me.

697 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:09:02pm

before I evre: #687 BryanS

So I drop in after a while, and what do I find, Mandy gets the ban stick and Cato is back. Ohh, what fun drama.

It's how it's supposed to end? Quite well.

698 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:09:18pm

re: #695 Food Lion
Juvenile.

699 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:09:29pm

re: #695 Food Lion

Good luck in high school this year! That freshman year can be a killer!

700 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:09:35pm

re: #695 Food Lion

I'm going to miss Mandy. You? Less so.

701 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:09:50pm

re: #695 Food Lion

This blog is like a pro-sports team who's stars all suffered major injuries or retired. This isn't even the "B-team". This is the "F-team". A bunch of minor league call ups and scabs.

Enjoy your circle jerk. Maybe you'll be the lucky one to catch Charles' facial.

LMAO.

If you can't leave graciously, just leave.

702 Nimed  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:10:58pm

re: #679 Food Lion

Ok, Food Lion is part of the fanclub.

703 Stonemason  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:11:21pm

re: #696 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Found it:

Youtube Video

The part about the 'white religion' is a minute and a half in or so.

704 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:11:43pm

re: #668 Food Lion

Personal blog, or cult. I can't tell the difference.

If that's a concern of yours, then I highly recommend that you shop around and find a blog/commenting community that you're more comfortable with. One that has a better mix of the opinions that (I presume) you would like to support vs. other opinions that you would like to argue with.

I myself fairly recently moved here from a blog that was 98% solid progressives and 2% extreme-hard-right wingnut trolls. And while it was fun to always be in the majority and kick those trolls around, it ultimately didn't always make for the most satisfying conversation.

While it is a fact that the bounds of opinion here must remain within the limits that Charles allows on his site, I find that this blog still has a relatively rich and evenly-spread mix of attitudes and opinions.

If it's not the mix you're looking for, then the Internet is broad and wide. Go find what you want. But beating your head against what Charles wants to allow on his site is ultimately doomed to failure.

If you can find a web community that's more reasonable while evenly mixed between left and right, please let me know and I'll be all on top of registering there too.

705 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:12:14pm
706 Gus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:12:18pm

re: #695 Food Lion

Says the asshole that's only been here for a month. That has a negative 81 Karma and has never even contributed one positive thing to LGF since he registered and instead has been trolling since then and saying the most complete and outright stupidities since his appearance at LGF. You picked the wrong name for yourself. You should have called yourself Septic Tank instead of Food Lion.

707 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:12:41pm

I will miss Mandy as well.

708 BryanS  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:13:15pm

Europe seems to be heading far down the path to hatred of Muslims. I think it's important we watch out for the same here in the states. The thread's topic is important to keep on eye on.

709 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:13:25pm
710 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:14:15pm

re: #709 elbruce

This is what's called a "flounce," right? Just trying to pick up the lingo.

If it is, they need to get it over with already.

711 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:14:32pm

re: #705 Food Lion

You've been registered since July. You are just now spouting your real opinions of this blog and the host? What has been holding you back?

712 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:14:35pm

re: #709 elbruce

This is what's called a "flounce," right? Just trying to pick up the lingo.

Sort of a flounce, but more like "Camille".

713 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:14:39pm
714 Gus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:16:08pm

re: #713 Food Lion

No doubt you will survive. Your mommy will see to it.

715 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:16:11pm

re: #713 Food Lion

Oh, the horror. I don't know if I would survive being banished by Master Charles!

lol

Don't worry, I'm sure somebody at the stalker site of your choice will be glad to give your e-dick a few tugs for "bravely" taking on Charles and getting slapped down.

All in all, dumbshits like you are just another brick in the wall.

716 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:16:16pm

re: #707 Racer X

I will miss Mandy as well.

I already do. She is special to many lizards including me.

717 Nimed  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:17:22pm

re: #705 Food Lion

lol the fanclub people spend so much energy with this shit. It's flattering.

718 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:17:29pm

re: #713 Food Lion

Isn't it past your bedtime?

719 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:17:36pm

re: #713 Food Lion

Oh, the horror. I don't know if I would survive being banished by Master Charles!

lol

I hope you leave and don't have to find out.

720 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:17:55pm
721 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:18:19pm

re: #709 elbruce

This is what's called a "flounce," right? Just trying to pick up the lingo.

It is only a real flounce if they shut the hell up afterward or when Charles bans them, but yeah that is a classic begging to be banned by Charles post, so yes technically it is a "flounce."

722 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:18:23pm

re: #700 Decatur Deb

I'm going to miss Mandy. You? Less so.

Damn it, I won't miss her at all.

Fake internet life, hatred of all things "other' Muslims #1. she tried to cool her hatred down, but lately...her concern at the mosque in her TN neighborhood was for the construction co. that owned the machines flamed. oooh, felt the human spirit there.

Read back on her posts. Just do it.

Gah, you all supported her fake pork roasts and fresh veggies.

I take my stand. discuss it.

723 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:18:53pm

re: #716 NJDhockeyfan

I already do. She is special to many lizards including me.

I can see she rubbed some the wrong way. She has a certain style - we all do. Hers was a tad aggressive at times. If you paid attention though you could tell she was really just a pussycat.

Damn.

724 Eclectic Infidel  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:19:33pm

re: #713 Food Lion

It's past ten on the left coast. Shouldn't you retire to bed now?

725 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:20:38pm

re: #721 ausador

It is only a real flounce if they shut the hell up afterward or when Charles bans them, but yeah that is a classic begging to be banned by Charles post, so yes technically it is a "flounce."

I have to disagree. A "flounce" is when one makes an over-the-top, "This is why I'm leaving/this site has gone to shit/ban me if you dare" post that is a poster's swan song.

What FL is engaging in is trolling, and not even decent trolling at that. It has "ban me" written all over it, but done so more for shock value than anything else.

726 Escaped Hillbilly  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:23:01pm

Oh there's the overnight thread and this one's gotten a bit boring with the flouncing and all. Gonna have to say goodnight all.

727 Nimed  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:24:12pm

re: #709 elbruce

This is what's called a "flounce," right? Just trying to pick up the lingo.

Yes. This guy will be furiously posting this sort of comment for the rest of his stay here while simultaneously stating how much he doesn't care about LGF. When he is finally banned, he will return to a LGF's fanclub site where people will tell him how awesome he was.

Note that this is nothing special. One of the fanclub guys once told a commenter that she deserved to be raped. We're dealing with very sick people here.

728 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:24:18pm

re: #722 Stanley Sea

Damn it, I won't miss her at all.

Fake internet life, hatred of all things "other' Muslims #1. she tried to cool her hatred down, but lately...her concern at the mosque in her TN neighborhood was for the construction co. that owned the machines flamed. oooh, felt the human spirit there.

Read back on her posts. Just do it.

Gah, you all supported her fake pork roasts and fresh veggies.

I take my stand. discuss it.

If the site became you, me, SFZ, Reine, and Floral it would get boring. Think of how many of your comments were responses to MM and others.

729 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:25:01pm
730 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:25:45pm

re: #721 ausador

It is only a real flounce if they shut the hell up afterward or when Charles bans them, but yeah that is a classic begging to be banned by Charles post, so yes technically it is a "flounce."

It's less a flounce and more a virtual blog version of the Elaine dance on Seinfeld...

Youtube Video
731 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:26:07pm

re: #725 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I have to disagree. A "flounce" is when one makes an over-the-top, "This is why I'm leaving/this site has gone to shit/ban me if you dare" post that is a poster's swan song.

What FL is engaging in is trolling, and not even decent trolling at that. It has "ban me" written all over it, but done so more for shock value than anything else.

Read The post that was referenced, it was "technically" a flounce in saying that all the good people had left here and only the dregs remained blah, blah...

It was very much a "goodbye cruel blog, and fuck off too" kinda post, that qualifies as a flounce the last time I checked.

732 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27:07pm
733 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27:31pm

re: #729 Food Lion

I challenge you to a duel, sir!

We meet in the alley behind the internet for fisticuffs!

734 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27:59pm

re: #729 Food Lion

Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"War...war never changes."

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___

You've been here 6 years? So you've survived the purges by shifting your opinions to match Charles'. You can be Case #1 in my Psych Masters Thesis.

Why do you care? Doesn't your mommy know it's time to change your diapers?

735 Gus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:28:00pm

Food Lion's either a psycho, drug addict, or an alcoholic.

736 JeffFX  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:28:54pm

re: #735 Gus 802

Do you really need to insult drug addicts and alcoholics like that?

737 ghazidor  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:28:58pm

re: #735 Gus 802

Food Lion's either a psycho, drug addict, or an alcoholic.

Your missing the obvious there, he could be all three!

738 The Great Ralph  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:29:02pm

re: #151 Alouette

Yeah but they earned it. Detroit is a Third World shithole, and the only place where the U.S. side of the border looks worse than the non-U.S. side.

Ever been to Niagara Falls?

739 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:29:42pm

re: #729 Food Lion

Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"War...war never changes."

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 11:34 am
No. of comments posted: 5,906
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You've been here 6 years? So you've survived the purges by shifting your opinions to match Charles'. You can be Case #1 in my Psych Masters Thesis.

First you have to make it out of junior high. Given your level of maturity, that could be tough for you at age 16.

740 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:29:46pm

re: #729 Food Lion

Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"War...war never changes."

(Logged in)
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 11:34 am
No. of comments posted: 5,906
No. of links posted: 0

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You've been here 6 years? So you've survived the purges by shifting your opinions to match Charles'. You can be Case #1 in my Psych Masters Thesis.

Nah dipshit, you were absent from class the day I admitted that I'd been gone for the better portion of the last 6 years due to real life concerns, and thus missed the previous cullings. And that, from then to now, I've come to many of the same conclusions that Charles has.

But shit, why am I wasting time responding to you when your ass will be gone by sun-up? Enjoy what little time you have left, little moth. Because the only future you have to look forward to is the business end of a banhammer.

741 Racer X  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:29:48pm

re: #729 Food Lion

"Psych Masters Thesis."

Too funny.

You registered over a month ago and stuck around for all this time waiting for the "right moment" to trash this blog, the owner, and everyone who posts here.

Good luck with that.

742 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:29:54pm

re: #728 Decatur Deb

I'm not good enough to get listed :(

Cato and I can always fight to make things interesting :)

743 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:30:18pm

re: #738 The Great Ralph

Ever been to Niagara Falls?

Ha! I used to work there!

744 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:30:49pm

re: #738 The Great Ralph

Ever been to Niagara Falls?

Yes (lived in Buffalo in my early childhood), but Detroit has a greater difference between sides of the border.

745 Nimed  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:31:02pm

re: #742 windsagio

I'm not good enough to get listed :(

Cato and I can always fight to make things interesting :)

{wind}

Me neither, buddy. ;_:

746 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:31:33pm

re: #744 ClaudeMonet

Yes (lived in Buffalo in my early childhood), but Detroit has a greater difference between sides of the border.

When was the last time you were there? Niagara is an absolute hole now.

747 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:32:06pm

re: #742 windsagio

re: #745 Nimed

I was using "nice" as a filter.

748 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:32:30pm

re: #745 Nimed

{wind}

Me neither, buddy. ;_:

You and I (and maybe Ace) could get in a fight about atheism too, everybody always finds that exciting >>

749 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:32:40pm

re: #746 tnguitarist

When was the last time you were there? Niagara is an absolute hole now.

1988. I'm planning a trip next spring to old ports of call (Buffalo and Pittsburgh, and perhaps NYC).

750 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:32:52pm

re: #747 Decatur Deb

Cold!!!

751 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:34:01pm

re: #654 ausador

My last name is Garcia, so I'm entitled to use the term if I choose. :p

If you want to use it in reference to yourself that's fine, but when you're describing me it's a different story. I'm going to assume it was unintentional and leave it at that for now.

752 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:34:02pm

re: #749 ClaudeMonet

1988. I'm planning a trip next spring to old ports of call (Buffalo and Pittsburgh, and perhaps NYC).

I just moved back from there. It's bad.

753 Nimed  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:34:59pm

re: #747 Decatur Deb

re: #745 Nimed

I was using "nice" as a filter.

Touché. :)

754 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:39:30pm
755 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:39:55pm

re: #728 Decatur Deb

If the site became you, me, SFZ, Reine, and Floral it would get boring. Think of how many of your comments were responses to MM and others.

Oh yeah, understand that.

I'd rather respond to thoughtful debate than anything from a person who taught her kid to hate Muslims, and then when called on it, said she hadn't changed.

Please. She was a mess. Pork roasts and all the fresh veggies you could possibly get at her local market or her own garden farm what ever

756 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:40:01pm

re: #754 Food Lion

What's it like to sell out your entire value/belief system for the approval of an internet site owner who you've never met?

It tastes like chicken.

757 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:42:50pm

re: #755 Stanley Sea

PS: I'm not up for it, somebody should watch XXXXX to see when the new member signs up.

758 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:43:29pm

re: #755 Stanley Sea

Oh yeah, understand that.

I'd rather respond to thoughtful debate than anything from a person who taught her kid to hate Muslims, and then when called on it, said she hadn't changed.

Please. She was a mess. Pork roasts and all the fresh veggies you could possibly get at her local market or her own garden farm what ever

As long as we are here and talking, we change and grow. Some take longer.

759 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:44:37pm

re: #757 windsagio

PS: I'm not up for it, somebody should watch XXX to see when the new member signs up.

Them channels cost too much.

760 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:44:54pm

re: #754 Food Lion

What's it like to sell out your entire value/belief system for the approval of an internet site owner who you've never met?

Frankly, I defend my value/belief system to the hilt here. If Charles doesn't want to hear it here then he's free to ban my ass too. Then I can waaah! my ass across thousands or so of other political blog sites until I find somewhere where I'm a better fit.

I'm not seeing that you believe in anything: what's your fucking point? Why don't you lay it down and then see if it's allowable or not? At this point, I'm willing to bet even money that you don't even have an actual position on politics at all.

761 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:46:05pm

re: #759 NJDhockeyfan

hah :D!


re: #760 elbruce

There is no point except to shit all over everything until our host gets around to dealing with him.

762 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:48:20pm

'Nite, all. Leave a bit of buttock in the fridge for breakfast.

763 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:48:28pm

re: #757 windsagio

PS: I'm not up for it, somebody should watch XXX to see when the new member signs up.

I went in. Nothing yet. Their whole damn thread was copy pasta from this site.

764 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:51:21pm

I think Food Lion might be typicalwhitey.

765 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:53:55pm

re: #754 Food Lion

What's it like to sell out your entire value/belief system for the approval of an internet site owner who you've never met?

I don't know, I'll let you know when I do it. In the mean time, go play in traffic.

766 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:55:09pm

re: #764 tnguitarist

I think Food Lion might be typicalwhitey.

Racist!
/

767 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:00:16pm
768 boxhead  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:02:49pm

food cub sure did generate a lot of posts. :)

The art of respectful debate seems to be lost in some sectors of the political and social realms. I remember my father watching CrossFire when Buckley had Chomsky as a guest. Needless to say that even though they held very different views on most topics, they were able to have a calm and engrossing discussion of the topics of the day. I could imagine them drinking some whiskey after the show in mutual respect. Where has that gone?

769 boxhead  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:07:27pm

re: #768 boxhead

food cub sure did generate a lot of posts. :)

The art of respectful debate seems to be lost in some sectors of the political and social realms. I remember my father watching CrossFire when Buckley had Chomsky as a guest. Needless to say that even though they held very different views on most topics, they were able to have a calm and engrossing discussion of the topics of the day. I could imagine them drinking some whiskey after the show in mutual respect. Where has that gone?

P.S. Food guy, why not try to have an honest debate, if that is your goal, rather than venting in manner that would suggest you are in a race for the most down dings? Our Country's Founders held differing views, had heated debates, and still were able to come to an agreement.

770 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:10:18pm

re: #767 Food Lion

You're Class of 2004. You can't hide it.

The class that made this blog.

You've survived the mass purges by shifting your positions to fit your masters.

That's pretty pathetic.

I ain't hidin' shit, unlike your sorry ass. So which are you, hmm? A member of the old guard who's found a way to get back on in the hopes of telling us just how "shitty" this site is compared to the old days? A jock-sniffer from one of the stalker sites who's decided to earn his spurs by signing up to see how much shit he can spew before he gets his name put on the Wall of Shame? Or one of the Know-Nothings from the "anti-Islam" sites who's decided that he'll make a name for himself by seeing how far he can push Charles before his ass gets cracked by the banhammer?

You're nothing new or special. Just another in a long line of trolls who signed up, shot their wad, and ended up as a grease stain on the wall. Do be sure to tell the boys on the stalker blog of your choice that I, as a member of the Class of '04, believe they're exactly where they belong: in the Dustbin of History.

771 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:12:42pm
772 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:13:38pm
773 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:13:38pm

re: #767 Food Lion

You've survived the mass purges by shifting your positions to fit your masters.

While you're telling us what our opinions are, the question is still out there: what is yours?

774 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:14:19pm

re: #771 Food Lion

So, all Muslims are dangerous?

775 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:17:07pm

re: #771 Food Lion


tell us how you really feel about a website on the internet

776 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:17:33pm
777 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:18:57pm

re: #772 Food Lion

You mad?

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Nah, "mad" would be an expenditure of energy that I simply don't think you're worth. If I got mad every time a troll popped in to bitch about how things work here and parrot the stalker meme about how anybody here is kissing Charles' ass to stick around, I'd drop dead of an aneurysm.

No, I'm just trying to figure out which category you fit, so that I can make sure the score is accurate.

778 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:19:47pm

re: #768 boxhead

food cub sure did generate a lot of posts. :)

The art of respectful debate seems to be lost in some sectors of the political and social realms. I remember my father watching CrossFire when Buckley had Chomsky as a guest. Needless to say that even though they held very different views on most topics, they were able to have a calm and engrossing discussion of the topics of the day. I could imagine them drinking some whiskey after the show in mutual respect. Where has that gone?

"Mutual respect" is largely extinct, and what we used to think of as heated exchanges would draw zero ratings now. The world has changed, and instead of respect and maybe those drinks over a fine meal later, the combatants show up with their posses, yell at each other, then separately take their entourages out to be photographed and be told how great they are.

In some respects, I think this reflects not just the changed world and its media but the confidence level of the combatants. Buckley, his conservative mates, and his liberal counterparts weren't afraid to get into a serious discussion of ideas, as they felt they could hold their own or better, weren't afraid to change their minds if they heard a better argument, weren't afraid to say they hadn't decided their view on a subject. Such an admission would be seen today as a betrayal, weakness, or flip-flopping.

The open mind of yesterday has largely been replaced by the empty and closed mind of today.

779 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:22:37pm
780 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:22:57pm

hurr durr hurr

781 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:24:15pm
782 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:24:34pm

re: #705 Food Lion

You're friends with a B-B-B-BIGOT!?!?

Oh my, this won't do. Someone call Charles. He needs to start banning people!

Oh yeah, way to defend her, ya pussy.

This blog is full of spineless jellyfish.

Follow the leader.

From the nameless place:

I will translate:
I would love to defend Mandy but I am a spineless jellyfish pussy.

Carry on!

Hmm. Interesting.

783 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:24:57pm

re: #781 Food Lion


do you see me whining like a little bitch with a skinned knee over there like you are doing here?

784 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:26:24pm

"waaaah charles acts like this is his blog or something waaahh"

785 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:27:39pm

re: #668 Food Lion

Get bent...

786 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:28:37pm
787 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:30:38pm
788 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:31:08pm

re: #787 Food Lion

As opposed to being a grocery clerk?

789 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:32:22pm

re: #693 Nimed

Well, to be honest, I personally don't think Mandy committed a banning offense in this case. But it's always funny when people like you stick around just to post idiotic and offensive remarks. If you don't like it here, why on earth are you sticking around? Just go somewhere else, dude. Or, to use a cliché, start your own damn blog.

While I appreciated Mandy's frankness sometimes, she's said a lot of stuff over the years that's made me cringe...I don't wish her ill, but I think that the last straw for Charles just broke tonight and he decided he was done with it.

790 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:33:02pm

re: #787 Food Lion


wow, cuz what you call mockery is what i call sour grapes. you had a crush on chuck, he broke your heart, now here you are venting like a 14 year old girl

791 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:33:10pm
792 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:33:47pm

re: #791 Food Lion

wouldn't know, seeing as how i got to UNM

793 boxhead  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:34:10pm

re: #778 ClaudeMonet

The debate that most media display are a reflection of the quest for ratings. Many consumers of those media outlets reflect and mirror that. But I believe that there is a very significant percentage of the populace that are will be have respectful debate. It just takes effort to find the forum that encourages it.

794 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:34:58pm

re: #791 Food Lion

Space Jesus,

Was it hard to get into New Mexico State with a 2.5 GPA?

Why? Are you looking for a college that will accept you in 8 years when you make it from 9th grade to HS graduation?

795 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:36:35pm
796 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:37:09pm

re: #792 SpaceJesus

Awww, SpaceJesus has a stalker wannabe admirer...

797 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:37:15pm

re: #790 SpaceJesus

wow, cuz what you call mockery is what i call sour grapes. you had a crush on chuck, he broke your heart, now here you are venting like a 14 year old girl

Nah, I've come to the conclusion that if this ain't a sock, it's a wannabe from one of the stalker sites lookin' to "make his mark." You'd think that the fact that he's survived here a month would an example of how far Charles' patience can stretch, but it seems such complex concepts are lost on someone whose only good for waving pom-poms and rooting for "his side."

798 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:38:22pm

re: #795 Food Lion

You could start your own.

799 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:38:53pm

re: #795 Food Lion

'm th vrnght flr bffr, bt hv bggr drms. wnt t b n ntrnt md. ws hpng Chrls wld trn vr th kys. Hw mch ss d y thnk hv t kss?

Shouldn't be too hard, since you already have your head firmly up your own ass...

800 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:38:58pm

re: #796 talon_262


these ones aren't quite as much fun as the ones that stalk me from stormfront

801 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:41:19pm
802 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:41:51pm

re: #800 SpaceJesus

Did you catch my #782. I find it hard to believe that 2 different people would say the same thing only a few minutes apart.

803 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:42:19pm

re: #801 Food Lion

So you bash the south whilst living in Albuquerque?

lol

New Mexico is not the South.

804 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:42:32pm

re: #801 Food Lion

So you bash the south whilst living in Albuquerque?

lol


making fun of texas and the south at large is kind of past time among new mexicans. this new englander fits in real well here actually.

805 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:42:38pm

re: #772 Food Lion

You mad?

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Two can play at that game:

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806 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:44:00pm

re: #805 elbruce

Not a wise choice of pics IMO, elbruce...

807 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:44:23pm

re: #806 talon_262

Not a wise choice of pics IMO, elbruce...

Prolly not.....

808 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:45:02pm
809 boxhead  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:46:29pm

re: #807 tnguitarist

Prolly not...

but is was funny... and by in large true.. :)

810 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:46:57pm
811 boxhead  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:49:34pm

re: #810 Food Lion

Pretty bigoted of you.

You'd better pledge your loyalty to Imam Rauf or make some off color remark about white trash if you wanna save face around here.

So you are sticking with the LGF = pro islam all the time talking point? reading this blog will give evidence to the contrary.

812 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:50:49pm

re: #808 Food Lion

r, t cld b n xmpl f hw ths st s nw grvyrd nd rgstrtn s pn hrs d. n xmpl f hw th lft wng klld nc sccssfl cnsrvtv blg. Ths ghst twn gnrts whppng $ d n d rvn. hp ll f y dts r httng th tp jr fr Chrls. N slf rspctng clt ldr cn lv n $ d.

Alexa stats aren't accurate at all, but I suppose you already knew that...

813 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:51:41pm

re: #808 Food Lion

Did you look up your blog? $8.58

814 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:56:58pm

re: #808 Food Lion

Like I said, a sock or a cheerleader. Got all the talking points down, knows the regulars, and thinks it has some idea of the significance of ones sign-up date and their ideology. Oh, and the delusion that this was ever a "conservative blog."

So, smart guy, tell me what it says about you that you and your pals at the circle-jerk site of your choice spend so much time obsessing about LGF when it supposedly is "circling the drain" and not what it used to be? That the most significant event in your lives was the day you got canned from here? That, instead of finding greener pastures, you instead continue to waste time bitching about how unfair and tyrannical Charles is and how LGF used to be, spending hours at a time on websites which either started as or continue to be nothing but places for ex-lizards to sit around and comment about how LGF isn't any good anymore?

Perhaps ya'll sneer so much about kissing Charles' ass and changing your ideologies because you miss taste from when it was your lips planted firmly there? That you can't get over the fact that the world changed and ya'll got left behind? I almost pity you.

815 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:03:27am

re: #808 Food Lion

OK, guy, the venom is now going past offensive, through funny, and into, 'what the hell is he still talking about?'

816 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:04:10am
817 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:07:06am

re: #816 Food Lion

Does everyone have a cookbook? Or 6? Charles needs a new bike and lipo for un mata hari.

lmao

Being a person that loves to cook, finding cookbooks that are full of regular folks recipes is awesome. That said I have both lizard books and use them. :) good times!

818 freetoken  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:07:25am

re: #816 Food Lion

If you're trying to make an ass of yourself you're doing a fine job.

For example, Alexa is only an approximation of actual traffic, and only the log at Hosting Matters truly counts.

You're also trying way too hard to think LGF doesn't matter, when in fact it has recognition far beyond anything you're doing.

819 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:07:55am

re: #816 Food Lion

Guys, report this comment. Let Charles know the trash is waiting for him on the curb.

820 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:09:49am

re: #818 freetoken

If you're trying to make an ass of yourself you're doing a fine job.

For example, Alexa is only an approximation of actual traffic, and only the log at Hosting Matters truly counts.

You're also trying way too hard to think LGF doesn't matter, when in fact it has recognition far beyond anything you're doing.

It's almost like Food Lion has to convince themselves that LGF sucks/is irrelevant and that we're all Charles' yes men or something....

821 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:09:52am

re: #819 JasonA

Guys, report this comment. Let Charles know the trash is waiting for him on the curb.

I've already reported a few.

822 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:10:08am

re: #816 Food Lion

I think Charles should revive the old "Car Swarm" threads.

Or maybe he should celebrate St. Pancake Day next year.

Maybe his ad revenue would come up a little. It's pretty pathetic when he has to do threads for Amazon and beg people to hit the tip jar in the same fashion which he mocks Spencer and Horowitz for doing.

Does everyone have a cookbook? Or 6? Charles needs a new bike and lipo for un mata hari.

lmao

You ever stop and consider how pathetic you and the others look in the grand scheme of things? That you can't get over the fact that you got the boot when you used to run things, that you spend all your time sitting on sites that do nothing but obsess about LGF and Charles? After all this time, all you can do is bitch about how it's not fair that you're on the outside, looking in on a site that you can never be a part of again? That all those months and years of telling yourselves that LGF was "your" blog, a "conservative" blog, were for nothing when the banhammer came down on your heads?

How fucking low is your self-esteem that you can't just let it go and walk away?

823 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:11:54am

re: #822 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You ever stop and consider how pathetic you and the others look in the grand scheme of things? That you can't get over the fact that you got the boot when you used to run things, that you spend all your time sitting on sites that do nothing but obsess about LGF and Charles? After all this time, all you can do is bitch about how it's not fair that you're on the outside, looking in on a site that you can never be a part of again? That all those months and years of telling yourselves that LGF was "your" blog, a "conservative" blog, were for nothing when the banhammer came down on your heads?

How fucking low is your self-esteem that you can't just let it go and walk away?

This is what boggles my mind. If this place has changed that much, why the hell care anymore?

824 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:13:16am

re: #823 JasonA

This is what boggles my mind. If this place has changed that much, why the hell care anymore?

Jilted.

825 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:14:00am

So "Food Lion's" mask has fallen off?

No matter. It was always transparent anyway. Why even bother pretending?

826 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:15:10am

food monkey is either really obsessed, pissed about something, or trolling the fark out of this thread. either way, it is late, can't sleep, what else is there to do? heheh

827 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:15:48am

re: #826 boxhead

it is late, can't sleep, what else is there to do? heheh


Same here.

828 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:15:55am

re: #822 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You ever stop and consider how pathetic you and the others look in the grand scheme of things? That you can't get over the fact that you got the boot when you used to run things, that you spend all your time sitting on sites that do nothing but obsess about LGF and Charles? After all this time, all you can do is bitch about how it's not fair that you're on the outside, looking in on a site that you can never be a part of again? That all those months and years of telling yourselves that LGF was "your" blog, a "conservative" blog, were for nothing when the banhammer came down on your heads?

How fucking low is your self-esteem that you can't just let it go and walk away?

Exactly...when rational adults grow apart from a community, they usually just walk away and find somewhere else that suits them. When your host has to give you the heave-ho because you act badly (repeatedly) and you then go about stalking the joint with others who are like you while moaning about how the place you flounced/were banned from has changed and how things were better in the old days, that's childish, petty, and bordering on psychotic.

829 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:17:02am

re: #220 cliffster

Well, speaking for myself, I'm not arguing with that point. It is, however, highly annoying when people feel perfectly comfortable throwing out comments littered with "dumb" "inbred" "retarded" "redneck" "trash". I'm at a loss as to why people who are supposedly so sensitive when it comes to some things, feel like that's ok.

OK, I've gone back over the beginning of this thread, and I'm just gonna say it. The only person who said anything remotely negative about Tennessee was Charles. Who said "It's Tennessee". And then "Tennessee has some history."

Hard to deny. Mandy got mad. There was a parting of ways.

However, no one used any of those words to describe Tennessee or Tennesseans that I can see.

830 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:17:16am

re: #827 tnguitarist

Same here.

I am applying the tequila solution, but I think I have built up my tolerance too high.... *hic*

831 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:17:28am

re: #828 talon_262

Exactly...when rational adults grow apart from a community, they usually just walk away and find somewhere else that suits them. When your host has to give you the heave-ho because you act badly (repeatedly) and you then go about stalking the joint with others who are like you while moaning about how the place you flounced/were banned from has changed and how things were better in the old days, that's childish, petty, and bordering on psychotic.

I got banned from a sports blog for my colorful language. I thought--Oh well, you will miss my firebrand humor and witty retorts.

832 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:18:36am
833 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:20:07am

re: #831 tnguitarist

I got banned from a sports blog for my colorful language. I thought--Oh well, you will miss my firebrand humor and witty retorts.

blue, green, black and silver? which colors?

BTW, GO BLACK AND SLIVER! now that my #1E90FF is done for the season.

*beer for who can figure out #1E90FF*

834 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:21:41am
835 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:22:29am

re: #832 Food Lion

For you, Food Lion.

836 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:22:39am

re: #833 boxhead

blue, green, black and silver? which colors?

BTW, GO BLACK AND SLIVER! now that my #1E90FF is done for the season.

*beer for who can figure out #1E90FF*


Baseball.

837 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:22:53am

re: #834 boxhead

Aw crap... Ojoe got to you?

838 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:23:19am

re: #816 Food Lion

I think Charles should...

Question still stands: what is your opinion on political current events, particularly those cited in the articles below which you're posting? Do you have a point that you'd like to present? Let's hear it.

839 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:23:44am

re: #836 tnguitarist

Baseball.

yes.... but more... that is the hex code for a color.

840 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:24:17am

re: #832 Food Lion

So which name on the Wall of Shame are you, hmm? Which former poster are you that your life was so without meaning, that the only significant date in it was the day that Charles showed you the door? Come on, put on the big boy pants and just fess up. I wanna know whose sorry ass I'm laughing at right now.

841 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:25:33am

re: #837 JasonA

Aw crap... Ojoe got to you?

??? Maybe, as long as there are no discriminating photos involved!

Seriously, I like their platform. I dislike their ability to return emails... LOL

842 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:26:01am

re: #840 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So which name on the Wall of Shame are you, hmm? Which former poster are you that your life was so without meaning, that the only significant date in it was the day that Charles showed you the door? Come on, put on the big boy pants and just fess up. I wanna know whose sorry ass I'm laughing at right now.

Bagua. Account created same day he was banned.

843 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:26:10am

re: #829 SanFranciscoZionist

There are some posters that paint the South with a broad brush. It definitely has its warts, but I defend because I love it and there are good people here. I just try to give a good example of what a reasonable Southerner can be like.

844 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:26:11am

re: #829 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, I've gone back over the beginning of this thread, and I'm just gonna say it. The only person who said anything remotely negative about Tennessee was Charles. Who said "It's Tennessee". And then "Tennessee has some history."

Hard to deny. Mandy got mad. There was a parting of ways.

However, no one used any of those words to describe Tennessee or Tennesseans that I can see.

As a Tennessean, I can't say that I was necessarily pleased about the generalities and stereotypes that were being tossed about, but I chalk that up to popular culture somewhat. Charles was right in that we do have some bad history here (Jim Crow, the KKK, etc.), but we also have some good history too (the Freedom Riders and associated civil rights figures, Nashville having the largest Somali and Kurdish communites in the US [IIRC], etc.)

As far as this shit going on down in Murfreesboro, I can honestly say that it pisses me off and makes me ashamed of some of my fellow Tennesseans at the same time...it's racist, bigoted, xenophobic bullshit.

845 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:26:31am

re: #841 boxhead

??? Maybe, as long as there are no discriminating photos involved!

Seriously, I like their platform. I dislike their ability to return emails... LOL

Ojoe pimps the Whig party a lot here. You two might get a long.

846 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:27:24am

re: #845 JasonA

Ojoe pimps the Whig party a lot here. You two might get a long.

He(she?) probably gave me the link in the first place.

847 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:27:35am

re: #836 tnguitarist

Baseball.

Jays?

848 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:27:42am

re: #846 boxhead

He(she?) probably gave me the link in the first place.

Ah. Well there you are.

849 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:30:02am

re: #839 boxhead

yes... but more... that is the hex code for a color.

Dodgers. I'm a Braves man.

850 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:30:04am

re: #842 JasonA

Bagua. Account created same day he was banned.

Would figure, wouldn't it? Decided getting his ass caught gaining his 15 minutes of "fame" on the stalker blog wasn't enough, he'd create a sock that he could use to sling shit after dark.

Guess that boot print in his ass still stings somethin' awful.

851 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:31:35am

re: #850 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Would figure, wouldn't it? Decided getting his ass caught gaining his 15 minutes of "fame" on the stalker blog wasn't enough, he'd create a sock that he could use to sling shit after dark.

Guess that boot print in his ass still stings somethin' awful.

If it was Bagua, he just got another boot print in his ass from Stinky....Food Lion's finally gotten blocked.

852 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:33:34am

re: #843 tnguitarist

There are some posters that paint the South with a broad brush. It definitely has its warts, but I defend because I love it and there are good people here. I just try to give a good example of what a reasonable Southerner can be like.

I have a brother that lives in Louisiana. Wonderful place, but VERY different from my native Los Angeles. Racial unity for the most part is far behind my town. New Orleans is ahead of the rest of the state. That does not mean there are not wonderful folks there. And many of the folks set in their ways with regards to racial attitudes are warm hearted folks who just grew up very different than me. I have not lived their lives, so judging them is tenuous at best. More likely fruitless.....

853 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:35:30am

re: #849 tnguitarist

Dodgers. I'm a Braves man.

ding ding ding.... Does your bar except paypal beer purchases?

And that is MY IDEA, patent pending... :)

braves are on fire.... or were... what about the friars... they don't lose!

854 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:36:44am

re: #852 boxhead

I have a brother that lives in Louisiana. Wonderful place, but VERY different from my native Los Angeles. Racial unity for the most part is far behind my town. New Orleans is ahead of the rest of the state. That does not mean there are not wonderful folks there. And many of the folks set in their ways with regards to racial attitudes are warm hearted folks who just grew up very different than me. I have not lived their lives, so judging them is tenuous at best. More likely fruitless...

Cultural and historical inertia's a bitch...for all of the South's foibles, there are many people here who don't buy into the old ways.

855 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:36:50am

re: #850 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Would figure, wouldn't it? Decided getting his ass caught gaining his 15 minutes of "fame" on the stalker blog wasn't enough, he'd create a sock that he could use to sling shit after dark.

Guess that boot print in his ass still stings somethin' awful.

Bagua was banned 2:58 PM on July 21st. Food Lion joined July 22nd at 1:35 AM. His writing style doesn't seem all that different. I like my odds.

856 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:37:21am

re: #853 boxhead

ding ding ding... Does your bar except paypal beer purchases?

And that is MY IDEA, patent pending... :)

braves are on fire... or were... what about the friars... they don't lose!

I honestly don't know how the Padres have done it this year. Smoke and mirrors.
I honestly didn't expect us to be as good as we are. You guys have a hell of a pitching staff.

857 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:37:59am

Apparently one of "Food Lion's" core beliefs is that America and the West cannot stand unless we join forces with fascist English thugs (the Village is full of signboards lustily promoting the EDL and their "message" right now).

You have your cesspool where you can wallow around with your vile little friends, FL. So why the hell do you care what happens over here?

You're so beyond pathetic it's pathetic.

858 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:39:18am

re: #854 talon_262

Cultural and historical inertia's a bitch...for all of the South's foibles, there are many people here who don't buy into the old ways.

yep... my brother's wife is part Cajun. You won't find a kinder soul.... I know Cajuns are already mixed, but there is a lot of love down there. And a lot of old stuff too..

Plus there is a drive thru daiquiri bar two blocks from my bro's house!

859 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:40:28am

re: #857 Cato the Elder

Apparently one of "Food Lion's" core beliefs is that America and the West cannot stand unless we join forces with fascist English thugs (the Village is full of signboards lustily promoting the EDL and their "message" right now).

You have your cesspool where you can wallow around with your vile little friends, FL. So why the hell do you care what happens over here?

You're so beyond pathetic it's pathetic.

Cato, I'm pretty sure this was Bagua trolling.

860 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:41:19am

re: #859 JasonA

Cato, I'm pretty sure this was Bagua trolling.

I think you're right.

861 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:41:40am

re: #856 tnguitarist

I honestly don't know how the Padres have done it this year. Smoke and mirrors.
I honestly didn't expect us to be as good as we are. You guys have a hell of a pitching staff.


I had high hopes, but then, divorce ruined it all!!!!!! arrrrrrrr and Manny's childish nature did not help. Just like Shaq, when all is good, it is fun, when adversity happens, it is sulking. Next year!!!!!!

862 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:42:48am

re: #861 boxhead

I had high hopes, but then, divorce ruined it all!!! arrr and Manny's childish nature did not help. Just like Shaq, when all is good, it is fun, when adversity happens, it is sulking. Next year!!!

I would not want Manny near my team.

863 boredtechindenver  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:44:38am

re: #792 SpaceJesus

wouldn't know, seeing as how i got to UNM

hey, no fair, i could only get into NMHU after flopping out of NMIMT. I was too young and too far from home in a school for grinds. I learned the wrong lessons that year, but learned the right ones before going to Highlands.

864 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:45:12am

re: #862 tnguitarist

I would not want Manny near my team.

Dodgers were 15 games over .500 with Manny in the lineup. Under .500 without. You cannot dispute those numbers.

865 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:45:15am

re: #861 boxhead

I had high hopes, but then, divorce ruined it all!!! arrr and Manny's childish nature did not help. Just like Shaq, when all is good, it is fun, when adversity happens, it is sulking. Next year!!!

The perpetual salve for the sports fan...been there, done that, got the t-shirt.

/hope springs eternal

866 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:46:58am

re: #864 boxhead

Dodgers were 15 games over .500 with Manny in the lineup. Under .500 without. You cannot dispute those numbers.

I would take that chance.

867 Targetpractice  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:48:15am

re: #855 JasonA

Bagua was banned 2:58 PM on July 21st. Food Lion joined July 22nd at 1:35 AM. His writing style doesn't seem all that different. I like my odds.

I'd say you're probably right.

868 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:48:43am

re: #866 tnguitarist

I would take that chance.

He fits much better in the AL with their silly DH rule. He will help the CWS, no doubt. Obama should be happy! LOL

869 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:50:13am

re: #868 boxhead

He fits much better in the AL with their silly DH rule. He will help the CWS, no doubt. Obama should be happy! LOL

Goofy DH crap.

870 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:56:14am

back to this thread........ I know many people who have way too much anger directed at Obama, Islam, Democratic Party, etc. All fed by a one sided media onslaught. Not that there is nothing to be unhappy with that list, but the heat displayed is concerning. I will try and engage very few in debate. I do well because I talk to folks that know my heart. Others, it would be like cheering for Broncos in Oakland.

Have any of you all experienced this? And how can debate happen.

NOTE: I am not trying to say the Dems are all right, cause they are not! I am just trying to reduce the heat level.

871 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:58:51am

Beck has a dream:

Image: 33676_540.jpg

872 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:59:30am

re: #869 tnguitarist

Goofy DH crap.

NL playing at AL hurts more than AL playing at NL cause AL has a good DH on staff. NL does not.

873 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:13:27am

killed another thread... :( If I act silly and confused will people come back to post that I am silly and confused? //

874 The Great Ralph  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:15:27am

re: #746 tnguitarist

When was the last time you were there? Niagara is an absolute hole now.

Amen to that. Lived in NY State all my life but I had never seen the falls so we took a ride west. The drive through the US side was miles and miles of old chemical and factory buildings (this is the home of the infamous Love Canal). Couldn't wait to get across the bridge to the Canadian side.

875 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:31:56am

re: #874 The Great Ralph

Amen to that. Lived in NY State all my life but I had never seen the falls so we took a ride west. The drive through the US side was miles and miles of old chemical and factory buildings (this is the home of the infamous Love Canal). Couldn't wait to get across the bridge to the Canadian side.

I went to the Love Canal site. Creepy.

876 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:31am

re: #615 Decatur Deb

Still, the world is more interesting with Mandy in it. I hope she can be recovered.

No it isn't. Not only was she a bigot and a hypocrite, she didn't have the stones to defend her positions when challenged. All I ever got from her when I responded to her bullshit was either silence or the word 'gaze', usually followed by "Gotta' git". Not exactly fascinating IMO.

Her whole schtick here was to try to keep her bigotry sufficiently muffled that she could continue to make LGF look like some kind of right-wing hang-out during the AM hours. This was not good for LGF.

I like to see sensible conservatives on LGF, but Mandy wasn't anything remotely approaching that. Good riddance.

877 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:21:29am

re: #624 ausador

Let's face it, unless you have the patience of a saint you can't continue to post someplace where many of the regulars are hostile to you (exempting certain people with a "troll" type personality who actually enjoy it). You may say your an adult and it is all just "words on a screen" but the attacks and the snide remarks do wear on you.

I have made a few comments here before about people going beyond simply refuting someones response, instead they attacked them personally and remorselessly over and over in an attempt to drive them off the site...gee...who was that I was talking about being attacked?...

Doesn't matter at all now I guess, since they finally snapped and the ones doing the hounding have won...oh well. :(

//Yeah, this will be a much better site once everyone here thinks exactly alike on every issue and there is no dissension at all... (sigh, stupid twits)

This tiresome old troll meme again : "The removal of bigoted asshole 'X' means that LGF has become an echo chamber where dissent is not allowed"

Good luck running with that one.

878 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:13:41am

re: #876 Jimmah

No it isn't. Not only was she a bigot and a hypocrite, she didn't have the stones to defend her positions when challenged. All I ever got from her when I responded to her bullshit was either silence or the word 'gaze', usually followed by "Gotta' git". Not exactly fascinating IMO.

Her whole schtick here was to try to keep her bigotry sufficiently muffled that she could continue to make LGF look like some kind of right-wing hang-out during the AM hours. This was not good for LGF.

I like to see sensible conservatives on LGF, but Mandy wasn't anything remotely approaching that. Good riddance.

Well that isn't true. I've been here a lot longer than you and Mandy and I used to get into it, point by point.

I try not to be a hater. I find it a challenge to find that topic where I can get along with someone. Like with albusteve, it's music, because there really is nothing politically that I have in common with him. With Brookly and Spare, it's probably Israel and not much else. Mandy, I liked her fiestiness even if I thought she was dead wrong.

Anyway, that's what makes this place unique. It's not an echo chamber, like the countless stalker sites all patting each other on the back. We have differences of opinion and we fight. We also make up and share common stories. We are a unique community and I don't like to see folks like Mandy go.

I didn't think Mandy was a bigot. Obviously, Charles saw it differently. She did have strong beliefs and pushed them to the breaking point. I respect Charles decisions because 99% of the time, he's dead right. Moreso than that, he's protecting his blog and that's what he has to do. I understand that.

But I will miss Mandy. And if you or Ice left, or Spare or Brookly, I would miss all of you.

879 Vambo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:54am

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

This would make a snappy tourism slogan. Tennessee: "Hey now, this ain't Alabama."

/Mississippi Goddamn!


[Video]

I can't believe this got a down-ding from Mandy... wait, yes I can.

HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!!!!!!!

880 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:18:59am

re: #878 marjoriemoon


Well that isn't true. I've been here a lot longer than you and Mandy and I used to get into it, point by point.

It's really rather hard to see how your having signed up here the year before me gives you more experience of Mandy than I have, given that I was posting here since June 2 2005, and Mandy only joined in July 2006!

She used to run away every time she was unable to give a response. That was practically every time I or ice responded to her. As for not being a bigot, that is bullshit. Remember (to choose but one example) her avatar of the kid pissing on the shahada? And her faux christian-outrage when anyone said so much as 'goddamn'? (she did that again right in this thread).

She was a bigot and a hypocrite and did her darndest to foul up this site during the hours when Charles wasn't here. Sensible conservatives - I'd love to see some - but the sort of people you are concerned about keeping here are nothing of the sort and in fact give the term a bad name by being associated with them.

881 Vambo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:25:30am

re: #879 Vambo

I can't believe this got a down-ding from Mandy... wait, yes I can.

HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!

btw... I just skimmed the rest of the thread... ouch.

I was just excited about a Nina Simone post. Carry on. (or don't).

882 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:46:51am

It's amazing to me that some people seem to think I was "unfairly maligning" Tennessee by pointing out that Tennessee has some special history when it comes to race relations.

I was not maligning the whole state of Tennessee and everyone in it. But it's absurd to pretend -- as several people tried to do, including MandyManners -- that there's nothing unusual at all about Tennessee, and no special reason to be concerned when shots are fired near a mosque that's been the target of a hate campaign reminiscent of the days of the KKK.

883 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:46am

re: #881 Vambo

I was just excited about a Nina Simone post.

I actually chose that live performance because at one point she swaps out the standard line "Tennessee made me lose my rest," with "California made me lose my rest." Indeed every state does have a bad history of racial animus, and while I didn't expect her to listen to Nina, I do wish she hadn't referred to this as a "trivial issue."

I'm used to the hyper vigilant accusations of impiety from the jesusita though, her very first comment to me carried the simple message that my nic pissed her off. Being holier than thou is her bread and butter.

884 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:45:35am

re: #882 Charles

Florida is the same. Parts of northern and central Florida are downright scary, as was my incident outside of Dade City. You didn't unfairly malign TN. The same can be said for all of the deep south and that doesn't mean that every person living there is a bigot. Obviously.

As to registered lizards both old and new, there seem to be some universal truths.

I think people come here looking for a fight and if they can't find one, start one.

I think people get over zealous in trying to prove a point and don't always say what they exactly mean.

I think people drink far too much.

And I think there are times where you can't type every thought that's in your head. Discretion is the better part of valor.

885 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:05:26am

re: #880 Jimmah

It's really rather hard to see how your having signed up here the year before me gives you more experience of Mandy than I have, given that I was posting here since June 2 2005, and Mandy only joined in July 2006!

She used to run away every time she was unable to give a response. That was practically every time I or ice responded to her. As for not being a bigot, that is bullshit. Remember (to choose but one example) her avatar of the kid pissing on the shahada? And her faux christian-outrage when anyone said so much as 'goddamn'? (she did that again right in this thread).

She was a bigot and a hypocrite and did her darndest to foul up this site during the hours when Charles wasn't here. Sensible conservatives - I'd love to see some - but the sort of people you are concerned about keeping here are nothing of the sort and in fact give the term a bad name by being associated with them.

I've been here since 2002.

I'm not your enemy. I wasn't her enemy either. And I'd like to think I'm not an enemy of anyone here whether I piss them off or they piss me off.

And that's probably the most I want to say about it.

886 Ayeless in Ghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:58:40am

re: #885 marjoriemoon

I've been here since 2002.

I'm not your enemy. I wasn't her enemy either. And I'd like to think I'm not an enemy of anyone here whether I piss them off or they piss me off.

And that's probably the most I want to say about it.

I'm NOT disputing how long you are here; my point is quite simply that since both of us were already here when mandy joined, the length of time you have been here before that is irrelevant to the issue of how much experience you have talking to her.

I never said anything about enemies, marjorie - I actually agree with you on the vast majority of issues that come up -I just strongly disagree with your take on this one ex-lizard.


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