Overnight Video: Shelter
I highly recommend watching this in full-screen mode, and you should prepare to be amazed.
I highly recommend watching this in full-screen mode, and you should prepare to be amazed.
2 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:49:04pm |
4 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:53:55pm |
Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:
My statement to the United Nations would have been, "The future does not belong to those who attack our Embassies and Consulates and kill our Ambassadors. The Angel of Death in the form of an American Bald Eagle will visit you and wreak havoc and destruction upon your existence."
5 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:54:34pm |
6 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:55:18pm |
7 | bratwurst Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:55:58pm |
This "UnSkewed polls" stuff has given me an idea: How about "UnSkewed Football Scores"?
The Packers won Monday Night Football last night by a final score of 12-7.— UnSkewedScores (@UnskewedScores) September 26, 2012
If someone would like to design me a better logo, I would be most grateful!
8 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:56:50pm |
I'm currently educating a friend of mine about the music of both Ben Folds and Ben Folds Five. She remembers hearing "Brick" on the radio and loved the new song because of the video with the Fraggles and she wants to hear more.
This is probably the most fun tutoring session I've had in ages. XD
9 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:56:51pm |
2012: A House Odyssey
"It's full of planks!"
Amazing stuff Charles. Thanks for posting it.
10 | engineer cat Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:57:56pm |
re: #6 darthstar
Ryan! Ryan! Ryan!
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Gotta love how insecure Mittens is.
vandalia
how come the vandals get their own town? where is visigothia?
11 | jaunte Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:58:22pm |
I really need to make something out of all those odd pieces of wood in the garage.
12 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:59:09pm |
LOL. RT @evale72: Romney campaign says more Mitt & Ryan together (50% less events) bc Mitt not exciting ppl solo ow.ly/1OCjHg— roadkillrefugee (@rkref) September 26, 2012
But it was also clear that Mr. Romney's aides were worried how the campaign was faring with six weeks until the election: Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney will campaign together more in coming weeks, an aide said.
In normal circumstances, that might be seen as inefficient, since the No. 2 is often used to cover more ground and to level the more aggressive attacks against the opponent.
But having them campaign together more suggested that aides feared that Mr. Romney, on his own, was not generating enough attention and excitement.
13 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:00:22pm |
re: #12 darthstar
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You mean having a candidate who's dull as a post isn't lighting the base afire? Inconceivable!
14 | Gus Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:00:44pm |
112th CONGRESS
2d Session
H. RES. 789
Reaffirming the importance of religion in the lives of United States citizens and their freedom to exercise those beliefs peacefully.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
September 19, 2012...
Whereas a Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life survey from 2007 shows that 92 percent of United States citizens believe in God and 78.4 percent identify themselves with Christianity;
...
Whereas a 2006 to 2007 study by the Association of Religion Data Archives shows that 30.3 percent of religious people perform charity work, and of that 30.3 percent, 75.9 percent are part of Christian congregations: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved, That the House of Representatives--
(1) reaffirms the importance of religion in the lives of United States citizens and their freedom to exercise those beliefs peacefully;
(2) recognizes that Judeo-Christian heritage has played a strong role in the development of the United States and in the lives of many of the Nation’s citizens;
(3) rejects efforts to remove evidence of Judeo-Christian heritage and references to God from public structures and resources; and
(4) expresses support for preserving the freedom to exercise religious beliefs in the United States.
15 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:02:11pm |
re: #4 goddamnedfrank
Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:
Last paragraph:
Broadly speaking, I agree with Rep. West that the role this dotty little video played in all of the intense anger has been largely overstated. But it doesn't cost us much to simply say that we, as a nation, do not agree with the obscene viewpoints expressed therein -- hopefully, we don't. (If West does agree with them, he should nut up and say so.) But it sort of doesn't help anyone to express a viewpoint that comes off as substantially more brutal-minded than the Ezekiel 25:17 recitative from "Pulp Fiction." Try, real hard, to be the shepherd, Ringo.
I know that "Ringo" refers to a character in Pulp Fiction, but I'm going to use the name as an older reference:
16 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:02:18pm |
17 | SpaceJesus Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:02:43pm |
[Link: www.270towin.com...]
Obama has 96% chance of winning
18 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:03:02pm |
19 | Gus Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:03:45pm |
re: #16 Targetpractice
WHAT First Amendment?
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Seriously. And it's basically Christian supremacy with a few of your typical pandering hyphenation of Judeo added to it.
20 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:03:46pm |
"If Stench calls, take a message." - Paul Ryan about Mitt Romney.
Now they're campaigning together more, which really has to piss off Ryan as he also needs some time on his own to protect his seat in Congress.
21 | jaunte Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:04:26pm |
re: #14 Gus
Jacob Neusner: "Theologically and historically, there is no such thing as the Judeo-Christian tradition. It's a secular myth favoured by people who are not really believers themselves."
[Link: www.jacobneusner.com...]
22 | Gus Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:04:38pm |
re: #16 Targetpractice
WHAT First Amendment?
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Atheists condemn House resolution to reaffirm importance of religion
23 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:04:55pm |
re: #20 darthstar
"If Stench calls, take a message." - Paul Ryan about Mitt Romney.
Now they're campaigning together more, which really has to piss off Ryan as he also needs some time on his own to protect his seat in Congress.
That would be fraking hilarious, if Ryan lost his seat in addition to the vice presidency.
24 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:05:09pm |
re: #14 Gus
*sigh*
I'd say something about that, but I'm in a good mood because of the cool tunes I'm listening to.
26 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:05:33pm |
re: #4 goddamnedfrank
Whoa! Allen West is a Wizard:
Yep, no better way to settle pissed off people down that think you are out to destroy them and their way of life than to threaten to destroy them.
27 | bratwurst Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:06:05pm |
28 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:06:51pm |
re: #26 Eventual Carrion
Yep, no better way to settle pissed off people down that think you are out to destroy them and their way of life than to threaten to destroy them.
"Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."
One would think we got rid of that philosophy after we were sent packing from Vietnam.
29 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:07:16pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
CNN doesn't agree.
CNN is also interested in the election being a close race because they want ratings. Why would anyone watch their drivel if the race was a done deal?
30 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:07:25pm |
31 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:07:52pm |
32 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:08:21pm |
Wait...
Was that the Recombinant DNA of a house?
33 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:09:14pm |
re: #28 Targetpractice
"Once you have them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."
One would think we got rid of that philosophy after we were sent packing from Vietnam.
Allen West's atitude towards dealing with a hostile force of people can be described as "If brute force doesn't work, you haven't used enough of it!". In some kinds of battle that can work, although often at high cost. But COIN operations are not one of those kinds. They require finesse that seem to be beyond him.
34 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:25pm |
A new Bloomberg News poll finds @barackobama leading Mitt Romney among likely voters 49% to 43%. It's NOT a tie. bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-2...— Russell Schaffer (@RussOnPolitics) September 26, 2012
35 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:25pm |
re: #33 Dark_Falcon
Allen West's atitude towards dealing with a hostile force of people can be described as "If brute force doesn't work, you haven't used enough of it!". In some kinds of battle that can work, although often at high cost. But COIN operations are not one of those kinds. They require finesse that seem to be beyond him.
In COIN, brute force is counter-productive. All you do is convince the insurgents of the validity of their cause, while creating a steady supply of converts for them via collateral damage.
36 | Gus Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:35pm |
re: #30 darthstar
CNN hires people like Erick Ericksion.
And Dana Loesch...
Then there was Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs.
38 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:39pm |
re: #30 darthstar
CNN hires people like Erick Ericksion.
Don't make me go Magical Balance Fairy on your ass, Darth!
39 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:11:04pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
Don't make me go Magical Balance Fairy on your ass, Darth!
MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.
40 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:11:28pm |
re: #38 Dark_Falcon
Don't make me go Magical Balance Fairy on your ass, Darth!
Okay, okay...Fox has Alan Colmes.
And MSNBC has Joe Scarborough.
41 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:11:48pm |
re: #22 Gus
Atheists condemn House resolution to reaffirm importance of religion
Laser-like focus on jobs!
;)
42 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:12:20pm |
re: #35 Targetpractice
In COIN, brute force is counter-productive. All you do is convince the insurgents of the validity of their cause, while creating a steady supply of converts for them via collateral damage.
I know this, but it seems like the Congressman from Florida does not.
43 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:05pm |
re: #39 Targetpractice
MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.
Yep. She's chosen to Occupy the nearest recliner with a drink that has one of those little umbrellas in it and a box of chocolates at her side. After the election is over, she might think about negotiating a deal.
44 | jaunte Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:31pm |
Going rogue!
Even before the stench article appeared, there was a strong sign that Ryan was freeing himself from the grips of the Romney campaign. It began after his disastrous appearance on Friday before AARP in New Orleans. Ryan delivered his remarks in the style dictated by his Romney handlers: Stand behind the lectern, read the speech as written and don’t stray from the script.
Ryan brought his 78-year-old mother with him and introduced her to the audience, which is usually a sure crowd pleaser.
But when Ryan began talking about repealing “Obamacare” because he said it would harm seniors, one woman in the crowd shouted, “Lie!” Another shouted “Liar!” and the crowd booed Ryan lustily.
45 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:31pm |
re: #39 Targetpractice
MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.
Ah, the incompetence of the replacement MBF explains the polls not being able to show Obama and Romney tied.
46 | Gus Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:34pm |
The actual Stench of Desperation rejects comparisons to Romney Campaign-fb.me/1St5C9ZLz— John Fugelsang (@JohnFugelsang) September 26, 2012
47 | Kragar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:38pm |
Got home and spent the last 2 hours fixing the kids' laptop. I fricking hate malware.
48 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:13:46pm |
Mitt never watches the last 10 minutes of a James Bond film because the sociopathic millionaire always get his ass kicked. #007percent— Rafalca Romney (@RafalcaRomney) September 26, 2012
49 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:14:13pm |
re: #39 Targetpractice
MBF's union. She went on strike for higher wages.
She can take that quarrel up with Tinkerbell.
50 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:14:46pm |
re: #42 Dark_Falcon
I know this, but it seems like the Congressman from Florida does not.
That's because the man's an idiot. The only reason he's not doing a stretch at Leavenworth is because the Army didn't want the trouble of putting a lt. colonel on trial for war crimes.
51 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:01pm |
re: #47 Kragar
Got home and spent the last 2 hours fixing the kids' laptop. I fricking hate malware.
Put Ubuntu or SUSE on their laptops. They'll get used to it. They only use the browser anyway, and Google Docs has word processors, spreadsheets, etc. so you don't need that Microsoft Office crap.
52 | SpaceJesus Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:09pm |
Lil Wayne takes a videotaped deposition, hilarity ensues
[Link: gawker.com...]
53 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:40pm |
Dark_Falcon - you downdinged Ann's horse? For shame!
54 | Kragar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:16:41pm |
Libertarian Nominee Gary Johnson Fights Zombies In Web Video
55 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:16:52pm |
re: #50 Targetpractice
That's because the man's an idiot. The only reason he's not doing a stretch at Leavenworth is because the Army didn't want the trouble of putting a lt. colonel on trial for war crimes.
That and the risk of not getting a conviction. If they'd brought him to trial then lost (for whatever reason), much of the world would have seen it as an open injustice;.
56 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:10pm |
re: #52 SpaceJesus
Lil Wayne takes a videotaped deposition, hilarity ensues
[Link: gawker.com...]
Lil Wayne creeps me out. Now I know why.
Creepy Lil fucker.
57 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:11pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
She can take that quarrel up with Tinkerbell.
Tinkerbell's union too. Disney has employee unions.
58 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:40pm |
re: #55 Dark_Falcon
That and the risk of not getting a conviction. If they'd brought him to trial then lost (for whatever reason), much of the world would have seen it as an open injustice;.
Indeed. So apparently the better choice was to let him off with a slap on the wrist and retirement with full benefits.
Yegods.
59 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:05pm |
re: #57 Lidane
Tinkerbell's union too. Disney has employee unions.
And they support health care for same-sex couples in their employ.
60 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:28pm |
re: #57 Lidane
Tinkerbell's union too. Disney has employee unions.
No, Tink's been Head Fairy for a few years now, and that's a management position. She's not an active member of the union anymore.
61 | Kragar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:31pm |
re: #51 darthstar
Put Ubuntu or SUSE on their laptops. They'll get used to it. They only use the browser anyway, and Google Docs has word processors, spreadsheets, etc. so you don't need that Microsoft Office crap.
Except the software I need to use when I take it to play 40k needs windows to run.
62 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:31pm |
re: #54 Kragar
Libertarian Nominee Gary Johnson Fights Zombies In Web Video
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I still think they should let Johnson and his VP sit in on the debates. If nothing else, he might find plenty of willing converts and build up support for third party candidates.
63 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:55pm |
re: #58 Targetpractice
Indeed. So apparently the better choice was to let him off with a slap on the wrist and retirement with full benefits.
Yegods.
And let his crazy ass run for office.
Great !
64 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:19:01pm |
re: #45 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Ah, the incompetence of the replacement MBF explains the polls not being able to show Obama and Romney tied.
The replacement MBF is about as skilled as the refs for last night's game. =P
65 | Kragar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:19:11pm |
re: #52 SpaceJesus
Lil Wayne takes a videotaped deposition, hilarity ensues
[Link: gawker.com...]
Lil Wayne is to music as Uwe Boll is to directing.
66 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:19:49pm |
re: #65 Kragar
Lil Wayne is to music as Uwe Boll is to directing.
Speaking of men who should be on trial for crimes against humanity...
67 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:20:11pm |
re: #61 Kragar
Except the software I need to use when I take it to play 40k needs windows to run.
Just put a windows virtual machine on it. Tell the kids they can use Firefox on the linux box.
68 | Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:21:30pm |
Gary Johnson is a religious right fanatic masquerading as a hip anti-war libertarian. Look into his associations with the Consititution Party for starters.
69 | Kragar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:22:44pm |
re: #67 darthstar
Just put a windows virtual machine on it. Tell the kids they can use Firefox on the linux box.
When I get home from working IT security all day, I don't want to mess around with more computer setup stuff
70 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:22:51pm |
More on Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"
[Link: www.politico.com...]
“I hate to say this, but if Ryan wants to run for national office again, he’ll probably have to wash the stench of Romney off of him,” Craig Robinson, a former political director of the Republican Party of Iowa, told The New York Times on Sunday.
snip...
Though Ryan had already decided to distance himself from the floundering Romney campaign, he now feels totally uninhibited. Reportedly, he has been marching around his campaign bus, saying things like, “If Stench calls, take a message” and “Tell Stench I’m having finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan and will text him later.”
I love that last one...finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan. Ryan's funny!
71 | jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:25:36pm |
73 | engineer cat Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:27:38pm |
Judeo-Christian heritage
the purpose of including us hebrews here is i think to mask the blatant appeal for the establishment of christianity
74 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:27:41pm |
re: #72 Kragar
Going to go watch the Avengers now, BBL
Gotta find some way to get my folks to sit down and watch the movies leading up to The Avengers. Oy.
75 | erik_t Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:27:57pm |
re: #70 darthstar
More on Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"
[Link: www.politico.com...]
I'm giggling uncontrollably. Is there a worse possible nickname that could still be printed in a newspaper?
76 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:28:18pm |
That was a touchdown! Both players have their hands on the ball when they are in the air, but the Seahawk player's feet touched the ground first. According to the NFL rulebook, the player has to secure the ball in his hands or arms AND touch the ground with both feet inbounds or any part of his body other than his hands. Of course, the refs blew the pass interference, but as far as the replay is concerned, the TD should count.
77 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:28:34pm |
re: #72 Kragar
Going to go watch the Avengers now, BBL
"PUNY GOD!" Heh.
Mark Ruffalo's take on Bruce Banner is fantastic. I hope they do a new Hulk film with him at some point.
78 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:29:11pm |
Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"...
It's worse than it looks.
Sounds like a SyFy movie that I refuse to watch.
80 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:30:28pm |
Ryan really had to go out of his way to call Mitt "Stench". He had to know it's gonna get out, but he must have been beyond caring.
81 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:30:30pm |
re: #77 Lidane
"PUNY GOD!" Heh.
Mark Ruffalo's take on Bruce Banner is fantastic. I hope they do a new Hulk film with him at some point.
Only thing better than that is when he punched Thor. Just *BAM!*
82 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:30:49pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
CNN doesn't agree.
I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.
83 | erik_t Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:31:27pm |
re: #76 SteveMcG
According to the NFL rulebook, the player has to secure the ball in his hands or arms
Charitably, Tate had a hand on the ball.
84 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:02pm |
re: #82 Digital Display
I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.
I think Willard is getting punch drunk. You can see it in his recent appearances before the press, he's not handling his frustration well.
85 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:07pm |
I've seen the video a hundred times. I forgot my ipod at Planet Fitness so I was stuck watching SportsCenter. Gates' feet hit the ground first. Touchdown.
86 | erik_t Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:19pm |
re: #82 Digital Display
Don't forget, Mitt is ... Smooth operator.
Not sure if serious. Romney is remarkably less smooth than 2000 Gore.
87 | jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:32:39pm |
re: #82 Digital Display
I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.
What has Mitt Romney done recently to prove he is a smooth operator? Was it that he at least didn't insult 47% of America at a public press conference... till he got called on it?
88 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:33:24pm |
re: 83
If all he had was a hand on the ball, the defender would have easily pulled it away. Gates had a firm grip on that ball.
89 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:33:27pm |
re: #82 Digital Display
I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.
Yeah, but Romney is using Rob Portman as a stand-in for Obama, and says he's great.
That's the opposite of smart and prepared.
90 | Mattand Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:45pm |
re: #70 darthstar
More on Paul Ryan vs. "The Stench"
[Link: www.politico.com...]
I love that last one...finger sandwiches with Peggy Noonan. Ryan's funny!
Assuming all of this is on the level, it is beyond hilarious that for the 2nd election in a row, the GOP candidate has tapped a VP that has gone rouge and will knife him in the back.
92 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:50pm |
re: #89 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Yeah, but Romney is using Rob Portman as a stand-in for Obama, and says he's great.
That's the opposite of smart and prepared.
In all fairness, Joe Biden is preparing for his debate against Paul Ryan by sparring with Justin Bieber.
93 | BongCrodny Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:50pm |
re: #62 Targetpractice
I still think they should let Johnson and his VP sit in on the debates. If nothing else, he might find plenty of willing converts and build up support for third party candidates.
They usually only invite candidates whose support is higher than *.
94 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:34:57pm |
I can't see how Romney can debate well against Obama without abandoning everything he's said the entire campaign.
95 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:32pm |
re: #76 SteveMcG
That was a touchdown! Both players have their hands on the ball when they are in the air, but the Seahawk player's feet touched the ground first. According to the NFL rulebook, the player has to secure the ball in his hands or arms AND touch the ground with both feet inbounds or any part of his body other than his hands. Of course, the refs blew the pass interference, but as far as the replay is concerned, the TD should count.
Go back and read the rules...For fuck sake 2 billion people watched the replay and you and the NFL front office think it was a catch. The NFL really messed up. I'm fucking pissed that the entire issue could be solved for an extra 20 cents per ticket. They damaged the product and that replay clip will be played forever.
96 | SidewaysQuark Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:39pm |
re: #82 Digital Display
I've been saying for ages that the only thing that matters this year is the debates. Whoever crushes the other is the next POTUS. Period.
I think Obama will do just fine..But never underestimate your foe. Don't forget, Mitt is like Gordon Geko from Wall Street. Smooth operator.
Agreed completely. I think Romney is a formidable debater. I don't want him to win, but I haven't ruled out that he could, and I would be wary about underestimating him.
97 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:43pm |
re: #94 SteveMcG
I can't see how Romney can debate well against Obama without abandoning everything he's said the entire campaign.
You pretty much just described his campaign to day.
98 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:35:59pm |
re: #88 SteveMcG
You're the only person I've seen arguing this. All of the ESPN talking heads I watched today said the exact opposite. The video says the exact opposite.
It was an interception. And even before that, the idiot refs blew the offensive pass interference call that should have ended the game in the first place.
The refs blew it. Simple as that.
99 | Reverend Mother Ramallo Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:36:19pm |
re: #92 darthstar
In all fairness, Joe Biden is preparing for his debate against Paul Ryan by sparring with Justin Bieber.
Scabby MBF fails again...
Biden will be over-prepared !
:)
100 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:36:37pm |
re: #98 Lidane
You're the only person I've seen arguing this. All of the ESPN talking heads I watched today said the exact opposite. The video says the exact opposite.
It was an interception. And even before that, the idiot refs blew the offensive pass interference call that should have ended the game in the first place.
The refs blew it. Simple as that.
They should have called offensive interference for the push-off...the interception was irrelevant.
101 | SidewaysQuark Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:37:39pm |
re: #95 Digital Display
Go back and read the rules...For fuck sake 2 billion people watched the replay and you and the NFL front office think it was a catch. The NFL really messed up. I'm fucking pissed that the entire issue could be solved for an extra 20 cents per ticket. They damaged the product and that replay clip will be played forever.
2 billion people? Must be Republican polling numbers.....
102 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:11pm |
re: #100 darthstar
They should have called offensive interference for the push-off...the interception was irrelevant.
Exactly. The pass interference should have ended the play and the game no matter what. The fact that they were too stupid to call an interception an interception is just another scab ref fail.
103 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:51pm |
re: #93 BongCrodny
They usually only invite candidates whose support is higher than *.
Ross Perot could make those things interesting. If he had picked a VP that was still alive he might have made a bigger impact.
104 | jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:57pm |
re: #95 Digital Display
Go back and read the rules...For fuck sake 2 billion people watched the replay and you and the NFL front office think it was a catch. The NFL really messed up. I'm fucking pissed that the entire issue could be solved for an extra 20 cents per ticket. They damaged the product and that replay clip will be played forever.
I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?
105 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:39pm |
re: 98 Lidane
No doubt about the PI. SOme talking head on ESPN said before the season started that pass interference was going to get out of control. Having said that, I can't understand how everybody is missing the crucial point, and that is the Seahawk player's feet touch the ground first. Just because the defender looks like he has a better grasp of the football, the offensive player meets the criteria of a catch. As soon as he completes that catch in the end zone, the play is over immediately. I think this is a case of everybody hating the temps. They deserve it, to be sure, but I don't think you can guarantee that the regulars would have called it any different. I really would have expected a learning curve for the temps, but they're just as bad now as they were in the preseason.
106 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:40pm |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?
That is what instant replay is for.
107 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:56pm |
re: #102 Lidane
Exactly. The pass interference should have ended the play and the game no matter what. The fact that they were too stupid to call an interception an interception is just another scab ref fail.
They're mostly high school football refs...think about it. The pros are so much bigger and faster than high school kids. These guys have to be intimidated as fuck out there.
109 | jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:43:35pm |
110 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:43:37pm |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?
It's going to stand. The NFL has already said they're not going to do anything about it.
I'm not surprised. Admitting that it was a shitty call means admitting that the scab refs are incompetent, which would only bolster the position of the real refs and their union. The owners don't want to do that, so the league is just going to keep up the Baghdad Bob routine about the shitty officiating.
111 | darthstar Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:43:40pm |
112 | BongCrodny Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:44:07pm |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
I don't know much about football, but is it possible that some sort of Uber-Coach will over-rule the call on the field at some point down the line?
Bill Parcells?
113 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:44:49pm |
re: #105 SteveMcG
The Seahawk player doesn't even have a grip on the ball. At best, he's got a single hand on it. The idea that he caught it is wishful thinking at best.
They blew the call. It was an interception. Period.
114 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:44:57pm |
re: #101 SidewaysQuark
2 billion people? Must be Republican polling numbers.....
No..The replay has gone global today. Some ESPN guy said probably 2 Billion people saw it. All that matters to me is that 300 million americans saw it and realize the NFL is broke.
Did you know the players are talking about taking a knee Sunday and destroying the season?
115 | Targetpractice Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:45:43pm |
116 | jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:13pm |
re: #115 Targetpractice
Fuck me running, that's not a dog, that's a small horse!
A pony is a small horse... I've seen ponies that aren't as large as that "dog'.
117 | BongCrodny Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:17pm |
118 | Lidane Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:25pm |
re: #114 Digital Display
Did you know the players are talking about taking a knee Sunday and destroying the season?
Honestly, I wouldn't blame them if they did. It would be a huge blow to the owners, sure, but it would send a message that the players and coaches have had enough of the scab refs.
This was a division game. The shitty call at the end will likely make a difference at the end of the season if the Packers make it to the playoffs. This isn't the pre-season anymore. These calls matter now.
119 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:50:06pm |
I just checked again. Gates has his hands on the ball and his feet hit first. There's no away around it. Take that, two bilion people!
120 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:53:20pm |
BTW I'm well aware of the pass interference. That's not reviewable. Should have been called. I think the refs got caught up watching the flight of the football. That 'snot the first time I've seen a blown offensive PI.
121 | Mich-again Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:54:34pm |
If anyone made the right call it was the replay guy. He isn't a replacement ref btw. If the guy on the field had made the wrong call it would have been reversed by the replay guy. Give the replacements a break. They aren't that much worse than the other yo yo's.
It is kind of like the tuck rule game. Everyone thought it was a bad call, but it turned out to be the right call for the rule as the rule is worded. That's how I think this will all settle out.
Lesson for the Cheesehead defensive back because he probably never heard this before from any of his hundreds of coaches since Little League.
KNOCK IT DOWN!
122 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:54:36pm |
re: #119 SteveMcG
I just checked again. Gates has his hands on the ball and his feet hit first. There's no away around it. Take that, two bilion people!
Get eyeglasses Steve. Who had possession of the ball? I don't give a damn about who's feet touched first.
123 | Mich-again Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:57:22pm |
re: #122 Digital Display
Get eyeglasses Steve. Who had possession of the ball? I don't give a damn about who's feet touched first.
What are the rules for simultaneous possession. It definitely looked like the GB player had more possession if that matters.
124 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:58:36pm |
Both players had their hands on the ball. That's posession. That's the rule. Just because it looks like the defender had a better grip doesn't mean the offensive player didn't also have posession. Everybody's so worked up to trash the temps they don't want to resort to reason.
125 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:01:11pm |
The only rule for simultaneous possesion:
"If the ball is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers."
126 | Eventual Carrion Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:03:59pm |
re: #125 SteveMcG
The only rule for simultaneous possesion:
"If the ball is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers."
That is my understanding of that rule. I just refer to it as "tie goes to the offense" rule.
127 | Digital Display Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:06:36pm |
re: #124 SteveMcG
Both players had their hands on the ball. That's posession. That's the rule. Just because it looks like the defender had a better grip doesn't mean the offensive player didn't also have posession. Everybody's so worked up to trash the temps they don't want to resort to reason.
No it's not. The GB player caught the ball first and pulled it to his chest before the other player put his hand on it. The rule doesn't apply to simultaneous possession. It doesn't matter who's feet touched first.
I agree with the millions of experts on this.
128 | ozbloke Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:13:28pm |
129 | Mich-again Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:35:24pm |
I say keep the replacements. Refereegate has been great for business all around. We'll see you other guys next year maybe.
130 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:40:22pm |
I keep repeating upstairs that you don't have posession until your feet hit the ground. It doesn't matter whether the defender pulled it to his chest. It's not relevant. What is relevant is that both players had their hands on the ball when their feet hit the ground. That's what the rule says. The rule doesn't give you extra posession for pulling it to your chest. If the defender had been able to pull the ball away from the offensive player, maybe you have a case. In real life (not in the haters' idignant imaginations) both players had their hands on the ball when their feet touched the field.
131 | Mich-again Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:47:13pm |
re: #130 SteveMcG
If the ball is caught simultaneously...
That's the argument right there. If one guy catches the ball first, the other guy can't just grab it later. But that isn't what happened. They caught it together. Ugly play, right call. Horrible way to lose a game Packers.. Knock it down next time.
132 | SteveMcG Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:50:58pm |
Isn't that what happened in the Detroit Lions game? A defender slapped the ball down and it hit a Lions receiver right in the hands for a touchdown. Point taken, just knock the damn thing down.
133 | Mich-again Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:01:14pm |
re: #132 SteveMcG
Isn't that what happened in the Detroit Lions game? A defender slapped the ball down and it hit a Lions receiver right in the hands for a touchdown. Point taken, just knock the damn thing down.
Clarified.. Knock it down. Don't just tip it sideways like you want your beach volleyball partner to spike it.