Dewinter is een fascist.

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All your entryism are belong to us firstly

Two European readers have now emailed links to sources for this quote.

You Two ROCK!

re: #2 BabbaZee

All your entryism are belong to us firstly

What have those WN assholes said about you?

re: #4 MandyManners

I can send you the link to the honktwa if you want
I won't post it

No so OT:
Russian Nationalists March in Moscow

MOSCOW (AP) —A white supremacist from Texas lifted his black cowboy hat into the air as he stepped forward to address thousands of Russian nationalists at a rally Sunday in Moscow.

"I'm taking my hat off as a sign of respect for your strong identity in ethnicity, nation and race," said Preston Wiginton, 43, exposing his close-cropped head to a freezing drizzle.

"Glory to Russia," he said in broken Russian, as the crowd of mostly young Russian men raised their right hands in a Nazi salute and chanted "white power!" in English.

About 5,000 nationalists turned out for the Russian March, held for the third year on National Unity Day, a holiday the Kremlin created in 2005 to replace the traditional Nov. 7 celebration of the 1917 Bolshevik rise to power.

The Kremlin has tried to give the holiday historical significance by tying it to the 1612 expulsion of Polish and Cossack troops who briefly seized Moscow at a time of political disarray.

But extreme nationalists have seized on the holiday, reflecting a rise in xenophobia. More than 50 people have been killed and 400 injured in ethnically motivated attacks this year, according to the Sova rights center.

re: #5 BabbaZee

Send it, please!

Charles, fight the good fight. An alliance with fascists will only destroy all the good that democracy can do.

Another accusation goes down in vlaams. LGF, the site that fact-checks your everybody's ass.

Political Black Ops in Belgium?

The conservative blogosphere is not immune to disinformation ops. If the American Left can't knock out conservative talk radio with the Fairness Doctrine, they have enough billionaires who are happy to sponsor dirty tricks to split the conservative movement. "Black PR" is quite likely to happen during the coming election. Keep an eye out for it.

It is therefore at least possible that Charles Johnson has been taken in by disinformation. It's easy to fall for suspicious information on the web. I would guess that Paul Belien and the writers for Brussels Journal are really decent people. They are constantly smeared by the Belgian Left, which is practically a proof of their personal probity. But they have some unfinished business.

/ooh, now it's a conspiracy

re: #7 MandyManners

okeedokee

Take THAT brussels journal!

So let me get this straight - Japan can drill for oil off our coast and we can't?
TOKYO, Nov 5 (KUNA) -- Japan's major trading firm Sojitz Corp. has obtained a concession on an oil field in the Gulf of Mexico, a top-selling business daily here reported Monday.
Sojitz has bought the 30 percent drilling rights on the Phoenix Oilfield south of New Orleans, the US from Texas-based Energy Resources Technology GOM forJPY 4.6 billion (USD 40.1 million), according to the Nikkei Shimbun.
While Chevron Corp. and other upstream oil firms used to drill oil and gas in the field, they were forced to suspend production activities due to heavy damage caused by Hurricane Katrina that struck the area in 2005, said the daily.
Sojitz and other firms will refurbish facilities in the oil field in preparation for resuming output, the daily said, adding that the improvement work is expected to cost Sojitz JPY 12.5 billion (USD 109.0 million).
The drilling project is scheduled to start in autumn 2008, and Sojitz is expected to secure the total amount of oil and gas equal to 2,700 barrels a day of crude oil, and sell it on the US market, the report said

Hiya Buzz
I plan on goofing off for the next hour
sing me a song

Perhaps the term 'fascist' that is used here is of the European variety.

What I mean is that there is a huge disconnect between the elites and the "common man." For instance, there is virtually no free speech in Sweden (read Bawer) and merely commenting negatively on Islam can bring down the wrath of the government upon you.

Europe is ready to explode because Europeans, meaning the Western peoples of Germany, Italy, France, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc are watching their country and culture evaporate before their eyes. They hear soothing words from their media, along with threats, subtle and not, about stating what is obvious, to say nothing of doing anything.

Any European will very likely be called a 'fascist' for saying something like:

"Islam is not compatible with Western values. Muslims are not making any attempt to assimilate because Islam teaches them that we are kuffars and beneath them. They want to build separate cultural islands with separate law (Sharia). Islamic integration must be stopped until OUR SECULAR LAW is respected and obeyed and threats of violence cease. If Muslims do not want to do this, they can leave."

Now I ask you, is the above fascist?

This is getting old.

re: #6 NoSubmission

did you see my post on that on the DT?

Play 6 degrees of Vlaams Belang with that name

re: #18 BabbaZee
No, I didn't see it, but I thought of you when I spotted it.

/I read the news today,...oh boy...

re: #10 Killian Bundy

Political Black Ops in Belgium?

The conservative blogosphere is not immune to disinformation ops. If the American Left can't knock out conservative talk radio with the Fairness Doctrine, they have enough billionaires who are happy to sponsor dirty tricks to split the conservative movement. "Black PR" is quite likely to happen during the coming election. Keep an eye out for it.

It is therefore at least possible that Charles Johnson has been taken in by disinformation. It's easy to fall for suspicious information on the web. I would guess that Paul Belien and the writers for Brussels Journal are really decent people. They are constantly smeared by the Belgian Left, which is practically a proof of their personal probity. But they have some unfinished business.

/ooh, now it's a conspiracy

It's an unbelievably stupid article. He even discusses a photo of a Sweden Democrats rally, misidentifying it as Vlaams Belang.

Dewinter is een fascist

Dutch is easy.

Translation of first section:
The love appears to be one-sided. "I don't need Vlaams Belang, said Wilders(De Morgen, 29.1.2005), a statement that equals the sentiment of the late Pim Fortuyn. DeWinter and everyone opponent of gay marriage were constantly courting Fortuyn, while Fortyun was doing all he could to distance himself from The Blok. He was annoyed at being compared with men like Le Pen or DeWinter:"Those men say things that are unacceptable. DeWinter is a fascist. I am a civilized man. You won't hear me say: "Our people first" (De Morgen, 4.5.2005).

re: #20 NoSubmission

[mmmhmm]

re: #5 BabbaZee

re: #4 MandyManners

I can send you the link to the honktwa if you want
I won't post it

My ISP will not allow me to see it.

re: #6 NoSubmission
I was just about to link this article. Just now reading it in my local MSM newspaper, picture and all.

re: #19 buzzsawmonkey

get it, monkey!

Ethnic nationalism is a form of nationalism wherein the "nation" is defined in terms of ethnicity. Whatever specific ethnicity is involved, ethnic nationalism always includes some element of descent from previous generations. It also includes ideas of a culture shared between members of the group, and with their ancestors, and usually a shared language.

Whereas a purely cultural definition of "the nation" allows people to become members of a nation by cultural assimilation, and a purely linguistic definition seeing "the nation" as all speakers of a specific language would make all those who learned the language members of the nation, the emphasis in the definition of nations (among nationalist movements) since the 19th century has shifted from language, culture, and folklore to a basis in ethnic origin.

Emphasis mine.

"Our people first."

That Fortyun is too 'civilized' to say this is source of the whole problem that is leading Europe to its destruction.

Ya?

re: #32 Ethelred

"Our people first."

That Fortyun is too 'civilized' to say this is source of the whole problem that is leading Europe to its destruction.

Which people? White people only?

re: #18 BabbaZee

I see the critics are taking issue mostly with the photo Charles posted of the parade with flags , saying that was a different group than VB. All the little Nazi keepsakes, connections, etc are not commented on. They also take issue with the pardon for collaborators, saying nothing about the reverence shown for those who actually served, as volunteers, in the Nazi army.

re: #1 Sharmuta

No-it should be:

Dewinter is een fascist. Ik ben een beschaafde man

re: #4 MandyManners

LOL. They are clearly not her greatest fans.

re: #32 Ethelred

I disagree. It's socialism.

re: #10 Killian Bundy

That has to be just about the lamest, poorly researched piece of crap American Thinker has ever published. Just plain stupid.

#34

If you are say, Dutch by birth or by assimilation and hence consider yourself to be a part of a culture that allows for free speech, individual initiative and true freedom of religion, then you can say "Our People First" and mean the idea of "Dutchness" does not get turned upside down by an alien invasion.

re: #32 Ethelred

The problem is that there is too much evidence that for DeWinter and his ilk, "our people" = "white people." If you base your defence of civilization on race, you will lose American support. If you lose American support, the war against Islamofascism is lost. The End.

Squirrel hath spoken.

re: #16 Ethelred

Do you really not understand what the point is? There is no question that the global jihad is a mutual concern. The question is to what degree the European "nationalists" are fighting for a racially pure, white Europe. In other words-are they Nazis?

re: #40 Ethelred

You need to ask the "WN" people if you are BLACK or BROWN or YELLOW or BLUE by skin colour, or JEW by religion, but EUROPEAN by birth if you still count as EUROPEAN.

re: #27 ploome hineni

re: #22 Ben Hur

Dewinter is een fascist

Dutch is easy.

Dutch=german=saxon=anglo saxon

English is heavy German, French influenced language

With Latin rules of grammar, all of which makes for a most delightful language!

I seem to remember 'ethelred' posting a lot of weird stuff some time ago. Anyone else recall?

Comen sie fraulien mit der bloomers in der wand...HA! See, ich sprect Deutsch...

re: #10 Killian Bundy

Political Black Ops in Belgium?

The conservative blogosphere is not immune to disinformation ops. If the American Left can't knock out conservative talk radio with the Fairness Doctrine, they have enough billionaires who are happy to sponsor dirty tricks to split the conservative movement. "Black PR" is quite likely to happen during the coming election. Keep an eye out for it.

It is therefore at least possible that Charles Johnson has been taken in by disinformation. It's easy to fall for suspicious information on the web. I would guess that Paul Belien and the writers for Brussels Journal are really decent people. They are constantly smeared by the Belgian Left, which is practically a proof of their personal probity. But they have some unfinished business.

/ooh, now it's a conspiracy

I saw that, and my reaction is: Oh brother. "I have no evidence at all, but I think Charles Johnson may have been taken in by disinformation!"

What about all the evidence I've posted? It's all disinformation? Wow! The Belgians are amazing at that disinformation game!

And how about this one?

LGF is a very good site, and Charles Johnson is understandably passionate about keeping his reputation spotless.

Since when did it become "wanting to keep a reputation spotless" if you don't want to associate with fascists?

That's like saying my reason for not diving into a cesspool is because I want to stay spotlessly clean.

OT
Congressional Democrats are trying to push through a bill to provide cable television to welfare recipients. Included in the bill is a provision to EXCLUDE Fox news from channels offered. Says Democrat Warren Billingsley, "Fox News isn't a proper source of information."
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

re: #40 Ethelred

Socialist policy led to that "alien invasion". Not Pim Fortuyn's civility.

re: #31 Sharmuta

Wouldn't you agree that this distinction between "ethnic" and "cultural" nationalism is the first step to saying: well, since the essence of our national culture is multiculturalism, then anyone who is against illegal immigration is an "ethnic nationalist"?

re: #41 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #32 Ethelred

The problem is that there is too much evidence that for DeWinter and his ilk, "our people" = "white people." If you base your defense of civilization on race, you will lose American support. If you lose American support, the war against Islamofascism is lost. The End.

Squirrel hath spoken.

Brilliant, thank you.

I think Brussels Journal doth protest too much.

re #41 Squirrel

There are Mexicans (for example) who have emigrated legally to the US and who now consider themselves Americans, which means speaking English, leaving your tribalism back in Mexico and thinking as an individual and working for your individual goals. Maintaining your old culture is optional and a personal thing.

It is to the members of La Raza that I say "America First".

re: #47 Charles

Charles, just fess up. We know you and Karl Rove cooked up the whole thing the last time you met with the Council of Zionist Elders.

re: #50 justnobody

then anyone who is against illegal immigration is an "ethnic nationalist"?

NO! Simply because one opposes illegal immigration doesn't mean they oppose legal immigration.

re: #40 Ethelred

#34

If you are say, Dutch by birth or by assimilation and hence consider yourself to be a part of a culture that allows for free speech, individual initiative and true freedom of religion, then you can say "Our People First" and mean the idea of "Dutchness" does not get turned upside down by an alien invasion.

If it's based on citizenship by birth or by immigration and assimilation, I can get behind that.

You can move to England and be "British," but you won't be English.

The question that concerns us is: is your nationalism colour-blind, and 'religion-blind'. If not BUH BYE.

#45 WriterMom

Weird stuff?

Islam cannot be reformed and is not compatible in any way with Western values.

Weird enough?

re: #14 g3n3r1c

So let me get this straight - Japan can drill for oil off our coast and we can't?
TOKYO, Nov 5 (KUNA) -- Japan's major trading firm Sojitz Corp. has obtained a concession on an oil field in the Gulf of Mexico, a top-selling business daily here reported Monday.
Sojitz has bought the 30 percent drilling rights on the Phoenix Oilfield south of New Orleans, the US from Texas-based Energy Resources Technology GOM forJPY 4.6 billion (USD 40.1 million), according to the Nikkei Shimbun.
While Chevron Corp. and other upstream oil firms used to drill oil and gas in the field, they were forced to suspend production activities due to heavy damage caused by Hurricane Katrina that struck the area in 2005, said the daily.
Sojitz and other firms will refurbish facilities in the oil field in preparation for resuming output, the daily said, adding that the improvement work is expected to cost Sojitz JPY 12.5 billion (USD 109.0 million).
The drilling project is scheduled to start in autumn 2008, and Sojitz is expected to secure the total amount of oil and gas equal to 2,700 barrels a day of crude oil, and sell it on the US market, the report said

I'd rather have it exploited by the Japanese than the Arabs. Free bonus robot with every 1,000 barrels!

Is that entryism I smell?

re: #59 Ethelred

I'm refering to your older comment history. I am going to peek.

As if I am a big cheerleader for Islam..lol.

I think that what is meant by "our people first" are the indigenous people of Belgium. Others are 'secondary'. Has a familiar ring to it, doesn't it?

#62 WriterMom

Peek away.

questioningislam@yahoo.com

I don't know if it's a urban legend or not, anyway:

Immigration Officer: What's your race ?
Einstein: Human.

re: #53 Ethelred

re #41 Squirrel

There are Mexicans (for example) who have emigrated legally to the US and who now consider themselves Americans, which means speaking English, leaving your tribalism back in Mexico and thinking as an individual and working for your individual goals. Maintaining your old culture is optional and a personal thing.

It is to the members of La Raza that I say "America First".

The guy who drove the cab which took me from Harahan to New Orleans last week was driven by a guy named Mohammed from West India who had an accent that sounded almost Caribbean. He was complaining about calling tech support and getting Indian people who didn't speak proper English ("I'm from west India but I'm American, dammit, why don't I get somebody who speaks my language?").

REAL multiculturalism - that is, Multiculturalism + Integration - is a great thing.

re: #65 Ethelred

You are going to get a lot of fun spam.

re: #47 Charles

That's like saying my reason for not diving into a cesspool is because I want to stay spotlessly clean.

Another reason why I dislike being called rightist or conservative. If that is the terrain of anything anti-fascist, then we've really got problems.

Or, in other words, can an atheist or agnostic be anti-fascist? [of course]
Can a Christian or Jew (or even Muslim) be anti-fascist? [of course]
Can a liberal and socialist (like Chris Hitchens) be anti-fascist. [yes]
And so forth.

Don't tell this to the MSM. Their heads will explode.

re: #48 AndeePanda

OT
Congressional Democrats are trying to push through a bill to provide cable television to welfare recipients. Included in the bill is a provision to EXCLUDE Fox news from channels offered. Says Democrat Warren Billingsley, "Fox News isn't a proper source of information."
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

This really pisses me off big time. Vote Republican in every race.

I think these fools' 15 minutes of LGF fame is over.

re: #70 newsjunkie_ky

Ban A-Jizeera and that guy would flip.

LIZARDS FIRST!

I seem to remember a post somewhere about the difference between "nationalism" and "patriotism".

The former tends to be aggressive and destructive while the latter tends to be defensive and constructive.

The Swedes who used to be able to live in Malmo and merely want their country taken back from the elites who have lead it to the abyss could easily be called "patriots."

re: #6 NoSubmission

The Black Hundreds are back.

This happened last year; two years ago, it was much smaller. Five years ago, it was pretty big. Ten years ago, there was Zhirinovsky leading something very close; I'd have to dig back to find out if it was the same organization, but they behaved the same way.

It's Russia. It's the Black Hundreds, and there will be pogroms.

re: #71 rappmandu

I don't know about that. They still have a lot of support in "conservative" circles.

re: #65 Ethelred

#62 WriterMom

Peek away.

questioningislam@yahoo.com

I've been there before!

Concerned about neo-Nazis? Serious about it?

As I've mentioned before, there's an overt, blatant, avowed, and violent neo-Nazi performer touring the US and Canada right now!

I've gathered some more information since then, so that we can all do something about it, rather than merely continue grumbling to each other about how awful it is!

Croatian neo-Nazi rock star "Thompson" is currently touring the US and is also scheduled to perform in Canada. He is known for inciting violence following his concerts/rallies in Europe and should never have been allowed into the US.

He should be sent home immediately!

TENC: Oppose Fascist Rock Star's US Tour with the Truth (Part 1)

According to the TENC article above:

"Croatian rock star Marko Perkovic 'Thompson' has just begun a US-Canadian tour, with two concerts in New York (Nov. 2 and 3), followed by concerts in Toronto (Nov. 4, reportedly cancelled), Cleveland (Nov. 9), Chicago (Nov. 10), Los Angeles (Nov. 11), Vancouver (Nov. 16), and San Francisco (Nov. 18.) Full details are in footnote [1].

Emperor's Clothes has proven that Thompson is a self-declared Ustasha - a Croatian clerical-fascist. (Clerical-fascist ideology indoctrinates with a mixture of Nazi-type racism and Catholic religious fanaticism.) The Ustasha movement murdered over a million people from 1941-1945. The overwhelming majority were Serbs (Slavs who are Orthodox Christian, i.e., non-Catholic), but they also killed most Jews and Roma ('Gypsies') in the greater Croatia that they ruled."

Information about where to complain is at the top of the above TENC article.

Information about the concert schedule is in footnote 1 in the above article.

Also see:

Nazis: Coming soon to a concert venue near YOU!

OK.

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Was this thing NOT on LGF?!?

I support the rights of hunters (as long as they eat the damn thing and don't bait it with a salt lick on some ranch in Texas) but this is effen WRONG!

Minnesota Woman Shoots Rare Albino Deer on Opening Day of Hunting Season

re: #73 jcm

LIZARDS FIRST!

LOL !
Absolutely hilarious !
LIZARD SUPREMACISM !
LIZARDS WERE HERE FIRST ! (150,000,000 years first !)

From the American Thinker article:

I visited Belgium several years ago, and just happened to see a TV news program featuring some spokesfolks for Vlaams Belang. They looked like extras from the Star Wars bar scene; if they ever lost their jobs in Belgium they could go straight to Central Casting. There's always a need in show business for bad guys who really look like bad guys. It was amazing. I can't imagine a real political party parading those people on TV. Imagine if the Republican Party of Mississippi had spokespeople straight out of Deliverance? Would they be for real?

So they were "spokesfolks" but you think they weren't real supporters? How does that work?

Seems like he's trying to sit on the fence instead of taking a side and has twisted himself around mightily trying to make a point about what could happen...somewhere...somewhen...

ETHELRED

Interesting posts. You can only push people so far. The big problem is the politicians in Europe generally. They have consistantly belittled and demonised the indigenous populations and tried, via the EU to turn everyone into Europap (a bland tasteless mass). It won't work. Europe is a rich tapestry with an interesting history and now I believe most people are tired of being oppressed by the people whom they elected and who should be addressing their concerns and fears. Too often they are not. Even worse they are repressing free speech to save themselves from criticism and having to explain their agendas and are treating some parts of their populations (with their own agendas) as special cases to the detriment of the majority. This is causing resentment and it is not going away. If these concerns are not addressed and a big public debate is not allowed I can see Europe suddenly zipping to the right, possibly the far right. If that happens it is all going to end badly. This is what happens when Democracy gets corrupted by the politicians in an underhand manner backed up by legislation that they pass for themselves. This undermines or destroys the checks and balances that should work within the democratic framework. No good comes of it.

re: #74 Ethelred

See #31.

Oh look!

So pretty!

So rare!

LET"S KILL IT!

#67

The melting pot is much different than the mosaic.

@Ben Hur
Care to elaborate why it is wrong?

FYI in Wisconsin it is illegal to shoot albino deer. Pibalds ok though.

Europe and America are very different places. The political life of Europe does not easily convert into US terms or vice versa. The concept of the nation in most of continental Europe is an ethnic nationalist one. This is the case on the left as well as the right. The UK is the only real exception to this, where the concept of the nation is more political than ethnic. Ethnic nationalism in Europe is not usually about white power, even though it may seem that way to Americans.

Conservatism in Europe is quite different from that in the US. There is no European equivalent of the Republican Party, just as there are no US equivalents of say the German Christian Democrats, Social Democrats or Socialists.

I think that Vlaams Belang is a party with some unsavoury elements involved in it, rather than a fully fledged neo-nazi or white power group. It should be noted that it is currently attempting to become more mainstream; I think that overall VB is less unsavoury than, for example, the British BNP.

re: #86 keyword

@Ben Hur
Care to elaborate why it is wrong?

FYI in Wisconsin it is illegal to shoot albino deer. Pibalds ok though.

Hunting is not wrong.

Killing a rare albino deer is wrong.

re: #71 rappmandu

I think these fools' 15 minutes of LGF fame is over.

Nope. This won't be an easy fight against the fascists.

re: #88 Ben Hur

Again, why is it wrong?

re: #86 keyword

@Ben Hur
Care to elaborate why it is wrong?

FYI in Wisconsin it is illegal to shoot albino deer. Pibalds ok though.

Unless you meant to baiting with a salt lick on a ranch.

Saw that on TV.

There is absolutely no sport in that.

re: #55 Sharmuta

re: #50 justnobody

then anyone who is against illegal immigration is an "ethnic nationalist"?

NO! Simply because one opposes illegal immigration doesn't mean they oppose legal immigration.

Lets say that I'm a citizen of a small Middle-Eastern country, and the moonbats in this country want to pass a law that would allow anyone who crosses the border from Egypt to claim that he is a refugee from Darfur and settle here. If I were a citizen of that country, I would find this appalling: this country is a Jewish state and immigration to the Jewish state should be restricted to Jews (perhaps with some exceptions).
According to the definitions in this thread, that would make me the worst kind of "ethnic nationalists".

OT, but funny:

I'm flipping thru the TV channels and the weather guy on CNN is talking about the record cold snap that is happening across the midwest.

What happened to global warming?

re: #90 keyword

re: #88 Ben Hur

Again, why is it wrong?

Because it is 1 in a million. Or maybe 2 in a million.

re: #76 Killgore Trout

Trust me, that is what I think. I'm not saying LGF won't continue to engage them. That choice is up to Charles, ultimately.

re: #82 Is it me?

This is what happens when Democracy gets corrupted by the politicians in an underhand manner backed up by legislation that they pass for themselves.

Exactly. I blame socialism.

Better translation added above, along with even more evidence and a personal statement from Dutch blogger Michael van der Galien.

I guess that's the same answer as my first answer.

Less than one hour's drive away, I photgraphed 3 of them early this fall.
I'll agree that they're neat freaks of nature. However, they are inferior to normal whitetail deer.

re: #99 keyword

Less than one hour's drive away, I photgraphed 3 of them early this fall.
I'll agree that they're neat freaks of nature. However, they are inferior to normal whitetail deer.

Dammit!

OK 3 in a million!

LOL!

re: #100 buzzsawmonkey

Brilliant.

We are talking about Europe becoming the equivalent of Pakistan (and You KNOW what I mean) and buzzsawmonkey is writing sonnets.

Geez.

re: #47 Charles

It really reminds me of European projection -- this obsession with "purity" -- It has come up over and over and over again. How many times have I read some lame (WN?) supporter ask: "Sooo, ya wanna be pure, do ya?" How lame...(you have to be embarrassed for them...)

Babba, you gettin some traction?

Are the wheels squeakin?

re: #99 keyword

Less than one hour's drive away, I photgraphed 3 of them early this fall.
I'll agree that they're neat freaks of nature. However, they are inferior to normal whitetail deer.

Deer racism?
/

Why am I (as an American) having so much trouble with the word "indigenous"? I was born here - the first generation in my family. Am I more or less or equally "indigenous" than someone whose great-g-g-g-great grandfather was brought here as a slave? At what/which generation does someone become part of the "indigenous" population?

/it's a code word, isn't it?

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #32 Ethelred

"Our people first."

That Fortyun is too 'civilized' to say this is source of the whole problem that is leading Europe to its destruction.

Which people? White people only?

"Our people" = citizens of this country = people that were born here and LEGAL immigrants.

re: #94 Ben Hur

Thats what a camera is for. Take a picture, don't kill it.

re: #92 justnobody

You are really stretching. How did you manage to distort my statement on legal vs. illegal immigration into smearing Israel? Wow!

re: #104 J.S.

I've noticed that many of the white supremacist nazi supporters use the accusation of "holier than thou" against their opponents. I guess if they can't defend their depravity they choose to attack their critics piety.

Albino White Tail Deer First!

#108

One can be a LEGAL immigrant and still not want to assimilate.

My understanding is that the vast majority of the Muslim immigrants are legal.

It is the responsibility of the immigrant to bend to the host country's culture, not the other way around.

Students receive a Holocaust lesson from a survivor

re: #103 Ethelred

Ethel, they either repudiate the racism convincingly, or they get no substantial American support. Plain enough for you?

re: #107 littleoldlady

Why am I (as an American) having so much trouble with the word "indigenous"? I was born here - the first generation in my family. Am I more or less or equally "indigenous" than someone whose great-g-g-g-great grandfather was brought here as a slave? At what/which generation does someone become part of the "indigenous" population?

/it's a code word, isn't it?

I've always called myself a Native American. I was born in Los Angeles, thus I'm a native. When pushed, I call myself a Mesopotamian-American (as a Jew, Abraham is my forefather). When pushed further, I call myself human.

What else matters?

re: #115 Ethelred

#108

One can be a LEGAL immigrant and still not want to assimilate.

My understanding is that the vast majority of the Muslim immigrants are legal.

It is the responsibility of the immigrant to bend to the host country's culture, not the other way around.

Expect a lot of them are not immigrating... a lot are colonizing.

re: #30 ploome hineni

Okeedokee

#117

What would be a "convincing repudiating"?

It sure seems like once tarred, forever tarred.

Croatian football fans 'used Nazi symbols' during matches

Croatian police were investigating reports Monday that fans of local football club Hajduk Split sold and wore T-shirts bearing Nazi symbols.
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The Hajduk fans were "walking proudly in Split wearing T-shirts reading 'Hajduk Jugend,' a direct allusion to the 'Hitler Jugend'," wrote the Slobodna Dalmacija reported.
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The T-shirts, sold on the fans' website [Link: www.torcida.org,...] depict an eagle carrying the Hajduk coat of arms in its claws, which the daily said replaced the swastika in the Nazi version.
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"We will check those reports to establish whether the law has been broken," Marina Kraljevic Gudelj, a police spokeswoman in the southern town of Split, told AFP.

re: #115 Ethelred

#108

One can be a LEGAL immigrant and still not want to assimilate.

My understanding is that the vast majority of the Muslim immigrants are legal.

It is the responsibility of the immigrant to bend to the host country's culture, not the other way around.

That's true, and I agree with you there.

But, it isn't what Vlaams Belang and it's supporters are talking about. They're talking about color, race, and ethnicity, not assimilation to one's newly adopted country.

re: #35 JHW

no one touches my stuff
no one
they got nothing
and I have reams more

re: #93 chicagodudewhotrades

You forget: There is nothing global warming can't do! Is it colder than usual? Global Warming is causing extremes! Is it hot? Global warming! Is it normal? It's still global warming!

I wish I were joking.

#124 BabbaZee

"The one sentence "noone touches my stuff" reminded me of the movie Stripes.

Where's Sgt. Hulka saying, "Lighten up Francis!"

Good day, Babba!

re: #125 Dianna

re: #93 chicagodudewhotrades

You forget: There is nothing global warming can't do! Is it colder than usual? Global Warming is causing extremes! Is it hot? Global warming! Is it normal? It's still global warming!

I wish I were joking.

Now they are using the term "climate change", so they can include all the cold weather, too.
/bunch of enviro-religious fanatics

re: #107 littleoldlady

Why am I (as an American) having so much trouble with the word "indigenous"? I was born here - the first generation in my family. Am I more or less or equally "indigenous" than someone whose great-g-g-g-great grandfather was brought here as a slave? At what/which generation does someone become part of the "indigenous" population?

/it's a code word, isn't it?

I think Europeans have a totally different idea of "self" than Americans do.

My theory is that "American" is a concept based on ideas, whereas Europeans think first of ethnicity and race.

Again, that's only theory... I'm trying to come up with an explanation for why certain Euros are scratching their heads about our being upset by associating with Nazis. To us, Nazi fascism/authoritarianism is a repugnant idea no matter what color you are, but to certain of "them", they see the ethnicity ("white culture") first, and the Nazi-style fascism is just an inconvenient afterthought.

Necessary fact-checking: Check
Sufficient fact-checking: Check

re: #103 Ethelred

We are talking about Europe becoming the equivalent of Pakistan (and You KNOW what I mean) and buzzsawmonkey is writing sonnets.

Geez.

That's why we love him.

re: #107 littleoldlady

Yep.

What's fun is watching it be deployed by different groups.

re: #105 formercorpsman

Stormfront is pissed at me

re: #132 buzzsawmonkey

re: #125 Dianna

If it's cold somewhere that's because global warming (elsewhere) is stealing the heat.

On Mars.

re: #115 Ethelred

Who let these un-willing to assimilate immigrants into europe- the socialists?

re: #126 BulgarWheat

Hiya bulgar!

re: #133 BabbaZee

re: #105 formercorpsman

Stormfront is pissed at me

They're scared shitless of you, Babba.

#133 BabbaZee

In Raleigh we have the Carolina Hurricanes. A local sports talk show covering Hurricane Hockey has the unfortunate name "Stormfront"

I pointed this out to them and gently suggested that they consider changing their name.

re: #136 BabbaZee
Babba Zee, if you have the time could you send me a copy of the Honktwa? My addy is at your site.

Thanks.

It is interesting to compare America to Europe. America was built on immigration. Europe had a variety of indigenous peoples that ebbed and flowed (for many reasons) over what would now be the modern boundries of European countries. Boundries that have changed many times over the centuries. Also we have had peoples come and settle here over a long period of time. As a result the various European countries have come to a cultural identitiy. As was posted by someone else you can come to Britain, assimilate and add to our culture and see yourself as British quite happily whilst someone like me would see themself as English first and British second. The two are not incompatible. They can exist side by side. At its best it leads to an interesting mix that can be invigorating. The main thing is that the people concerned like the culture that they live in and don't want to see it destroyed, in this way the culture can absorb various influences that enrich it in a reasonably harmonious way over a period of time. Difference can be very interesting. Incompatibility is not.
This is a very different case from the white supremisists, and the Islamists who might have very different agendas but who both spell great danger to the various European cultures who have evolved and changed over a long period of time.
I have a feeling that I'm not explaining myself very well. I'm still suffering from this horrible lurgy.
Sorry

re: #137 MandyManners

Jewhad!

re: #139 Pvt Bin Jammin

okeedokee

re: #115 Ethelred

#108

One can be a LEGAL immigrant and still not want to assimilate.

My understanding is that the vast majority of the Muslim immigrants are legal.

It is the responsibility of the immigrant to bend to the host country's culture, not the other way around.

Agreed.
However, I personally know Muslims who enthusiastically support America -- they want to assimilate. I can even point to several in the media that are courageous enough to denounce CAIR and speak out against the Islamo Fascists. (Unfortunately, they seem to be a minority).

re: #114 NoSubmission

Albino White Tail Deer First!

Rotating Title!

re: #133 BabbaZee

re: #105 formercorpsman

Stormfront is pissed at me

They sure are. Notice that they don't exactly &heart; LGF either.

This was the point I was making recently -- that all the support for Vlaams Belang on those kinds of WN sites is significant. If the VB had sincerely renounced their white nationalist agenda, the throwbacks at Stormfront would hate them too, like they hate you and me.

re: #138 BulgarWheat

I hate weather related nazis

re: #133 BabbaZee

re: #105 formercorpsman
Stormfront is pissed at me

GOOD!

re: #143 BabbaZee
Thanks, and thanks again for all of your great work.

Be sure to get some rest.

re: #140 Is it me?

I'm following you. That's two great posts.

re: #146 Charles

If the VB had sincerely renounced their white nationalist agenda, the throwbacks at Stormfront would hate them too, like they hate you and me.

precisely correct

re: #128 Pawn of the Oppressor

One would think that having experienced it up-front-and-personal the Euros would know better.

re: #124 BabbaZee

re: #35 JHW

no one touches my stuff
no one
they got nothing
and I have reams more

And if any you call me Francis, I'll kill you!

#147 BabbaZee

I hate Illinois Nazis just like John Belushi did.

re: #126 BulgarWheat

#124 BabbaZee

"The one sentence "noone touches my stuff" reminded me of the movie Stripes.

Where's Sgt. Hulka saying, "Lighten up Francis!"

Good day, Babba!

Shit.

I didn't see that you beat me to it!

GMTA

re: #149 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thank you for the kind words, they are appreciated.
It's been pretty ugly!

re: #16 Ethelred

What you are saying, if I un understand it correctly, is that the elites and mulsims have co-opted the language of the debate so that any attempt to call for a rule of law as opposed to the rule of men (roving morality police, sharia) in now labeled "facist."
IF that is what's going on, we have faced the same thing here with the illegal aliens who called all attacks against them "racist."
Mere rhetorical trickery ought not to be allowed to shut down debate on this vital issue.
Political correctness tries to cut off all debate in just the way you describe.
But there has to be clean hands on the part of those who would take this rhetoric to task.
When there are actual white supremicists on the side, they will drag everyone on their side down when their actions are exposed.
That cannot be allowed.
The anti-sharia side MUST clean house and be unassailable.
In the USA the Minute Man organization was attacked over and over again, not for its stand on secure borders, no, but for the individuals inside that group.

#156 Ben Hur

Great minds, Ben, great minds.

re: #157 Iron Fist

Yes it is.
A Fatwa and a Honktwa
all I need now for a trifecta is a Kostwa

re: #154 Ben Hur

lol
Join my cabal!

Who or what is 'WN'? Never heard of it...

re: #121 Ethelred

#117

What would be a "convincing repudiating"?

It sure seems like once tarred, forever tarred.

Especially if you've got the tar bucket on your head, claim that it tastes like licorice, and refuse to take it off.

Read the material compiled by Charles and Babbazee. I'm not going to argue with jeppo2.

& heart s ; Charles! - You forgot the "s".

/write it down, folks, it's once-in-a-lifetime history when littleoldlady can give Charles an html lesson.

♥

;-)

re: #164 Ezekiel2517

Who or what is 'WN'? Never heard of it...

"White Nationalist." It's the neo-Nazis' own abbreviation for it.

re: #157 Iron Fist

re: #133 BabbaZee,

Sometimes it is good to have the right enemies.

Exactly. If you have the right enemies, then you are uncovering the truth, and fact-checking everyone's ass.

Facts don't seem to mean a lot to some people involved in this debate.

And since we're talking about Francis...

If european patriots and a nationalists are "fascists", then I am a "fascist" too ! And I don't care !

After all, I support Avigdor Lieberman and the Israel Beitenu party.
Let me remind you that Lieberman calls for deportation of israeli arab muslims who are hostile to our state.

Semi-OT: Nuns for Nazis

In this photo provided by Thompson's concert promoter, a Roman Catholic nun and fan of Croatian rock star Marko Perkovic holds a banner with his stage name 'Thompson' during a concert in his native Croatian village of Cavoglave on Aug. 5, 2007. Perkovic, set to launch a North America tour with two concerts in New York City, is drawing protests from groups who say his shows glorify the puppet government in Croatia that collaborated with the Nazis.

Also see: Jewish groups protest Catholic church's decision to host Croat musician

re: #164 Ezekiel2517

It means White rationalist
many refer to themselves as WN alot on the net

re: #70 newsjunkie_ky

It actually is satire according to the link on Free Republic. Sounded weird so I decided to fact check. It's not anywhere else on the net except the american thinker link and the free republic one.
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

N
ationalist

but once again

I like my typo better

Just to be clear: the Democrats are NOT giving free cable and excluding FOX news.

re: #103 Ethelred

&#9834 You'd think that people would have had enough of silly sonnets.
But I look around me and I see it isn't so.
Some people wanna fill the world with silly sonnets.
And whats wrong with that?
&#9834

re: #10 Killian Bundy Sorry so late Killian, but all I had to do was read the opening line: " I don't have a smidgen of proof for what I suspect, but here's the story."Didn't bother reading any further. Don't have either the time or the inclination.

re: #87 Aldamir

I think that Vlaams Belang is a party with some unsavoury elements involved in it, rather than a fully fledged neo-nazi or white power group. It should be noted that it is currently attempting to become more mainstream; I think that overall VB is less unsavoury than, for example, the British BNP.

Welcome, Aldamir. When you note that, consider that they might be doing so to become more accepted in a place where it's illegal to be a Nazi, rather than a change of heart.

re: #167 littleoldlady

♥ {littleoldlady} ♥
♥ { Charles } ♥
♥ {Babbazee} ♥

re: #146 Charles

re: #133 BabbaZee

re: #105 formercorpsman

Stormfront is pissed at me

They sure are. Notice that they don't exactly &heart; LGF either.

This was the point I was making recently -- that all the support for Vlaams Belang on those kinds of WN sites is significant. If the VB had sincerely renounced their white nationalist agenda, the throwbacks at Stormfront would hate them too, like they hate you and me.

The Apostle Peter weighed in on how hate-filled or otherwise debased men treat those who repudiate their actions:

They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you.

NIV

So, you're on the right side, Charles. :)

"Race" is a considerably hotter issue in US politics than it is in Europe, despite the fact that Europe has more neo-nazis. Looking at European nationalism through the spectacles of American political discourse is a mistake, as the political issues and philosophies are much more different than they appear at first glance.

European countries usually base their ideas of nationalism around their history, culture and language. The big US/Europe difference is that many European nations have long and proud histories that began considerably before they became actual states. America began as a settlers revolt against an ethnically similar mother country. Most European nations have a history, real or imagined, reaching back into the mists of time and predating their achievement of statehood. Statehood was often achieved following rule by people from an alien culture or language. This is what gives European nationalism an ethnic dimension. The nearest that you have in North America is the Quebecois.

re: #167 littleoldlady

& heart s ; Charles! - You forgot the "s".

/write it down, folks, it's once-in-a-lifetime history when littleoldlady can give Charles an html lesson.

♥

;-)

♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ ♥ !

re: #180 abolitionist

♥ {abolitionist!} ♥ :-)

#172 addendum: Yahoo pic

Notice the White Nationalist necklace.

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Nice catch, Killgore!

Croation Neo-Nazi Rocker To Perform in Midtown

In this photo taken from a white supremacist message board, a young fan gives Thompson a "salute" at a concert.

Stormfront!

re: #103 Ethelred

We are talking about Europe becoming the equivalent of Pakistan (and You KNOW what I mean) and buzzsawmonkey is writing sonnets.

Geez.

We are also talking about our need to remain civilized. Let the sonnets flow!

Babba, my nic is blue.

#160 mean Gene

While everyone is pissing on each other, the Muslims make another town kuffar-rein.

All I am saying is that Islam is a totalitarian ideology that will crush us as we argue about the details.

Islam without Muslims is just a bad dream. The Muslim is the embodiment of Islam and, as such, is the enemy.

But oh, you say, what about the "assimilated, peaceful" Muslim? Surely you don't want to throw them out too!

My usual answer to that is to substitute Nazi for Muslim and ask if you would believe an avowed Nazi who claimed to be peaceful and/or ignorant of Hitler's sayings.

An Islamic identity goes WAY beyond say, Dutchness.

Once more I say, look at Iran, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan, Nigeria, Indonesia, Malaysia or anywhere Islam rules and then picture Europe reduced to that.

re: #187 Sharmuta

I'm learning my Nazi iconography.

Michael Van Der Galiën: "For what it’s worth: every Dutchman knows that you’re right. Fortuyn only defended DeWinter when the latter was attacked by people, etc. His message was: they’re fascists, but fascists have a right to speak out as well."

Yes, for the record, as another Dutchman, I agree with Michael Van Der Galiën. Thanks Charles for defending this distinction between Fortuyn and the neonazis of VB etc.

re: #192 Killgore Trout

I'm learning more about european politics than I ever wanted.

Stalinist Nazis (for real)...
Yahoo pic

Ultranationalist demonstrators give Nazi salute during their authorized rally in downtown Moscow, on Sunday Nov. 4, 2007. Demonstrators complained of the presence in Russia of dark-skinned migrants from other former Soviet republics, whom they derisively refer to as 'blacks.' The political and economic turmoil that followed the collapse of the Soviet Union generated hostility toward foreigners, especially millions of migrant workers in Russia. The trend has worsened in recent years despite a rise in incomes and political stability as authorities failed to crack down on extremist groups and hate crimes.

White Nationalism!

Ginn and Mondoreb have serialized the Honktwa for safe clicking

A little Rudyard Kipling:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
...

re: #190 formercorpsman

Babba, my nic is blue.

I just tried to get the address and it didn't work, led to a blank screen

trying again

re: #179 wrenchwench

That is one possibility. Another stronger possibility is that they have hit an electoral ceiling and they know that the only way to wn more votes is to move more to the center. I understand that DeWinter is seeking to get votes from the fairly large Jewish community in Antwerp. Clearly they are unlikely to vote for a bunch of holocaust deniers, so VB have to tell their followers to tone down this line.

The European far-right is currently in a state of flux in the post 9/11 world. Their old mix of anti-Jewish/anti-US/anti-immigration politics is coming under considerable strain due to changed social circumstances, now that Muslims make up the most visibly scary group of immigrants. The anti-Jewish and anti-(Muslim) immigrant parts of their creed are coming into intolerable conflict. Some on the far right have decided to start to woo Muslim voters (eg Le Pen) others have tried to ditch the anti-semitism (eg DeWinter and the BNP). It is only in the former eastern bloc that the real old style nazis can flourish, mainly because Muslims don't want to emigrate to economic wildernesses.

re: #183 Aldamir

"Race" is a considerably hotter issue in US politics than it is in Europe, despite the fact that Europe has more neo-nazis. Looking at European nationalism through the spectacles of American political discourse is a mistake, as the political issues and philosophies are much more different than they appear at first glance.[...]

Looking at European nationalism through the spectacles of American political discourse certainly gives a different focus, but that's a good thing to those who wish to see everything.

re: #192 Killgore Trout

re: #187 Sharmuta

I'm learning my Nazi iconography.

Hate On Display: A Visual Database of Extremist Symbols, Logos and Tattoos

/not sorry if this has been posted previously

"I mean, it's hard to goose-step with your panties in a bunch."

--Mondoreb

I am SO stealing that! :-)

re: #103 Ethelred

hmmm...Ok, Ethelred, suppose you see a veiled Muslim woman walking down your street. Would you say: "Hey, she's signing her return contract." Just askin'

re: #202 abolitionist

It's worth repeating.

re: #191 Ethelred

But oh, you say, what about the "assimilated, peaceful" Muslim? Surely you don't want to throw them out too!

My usual answer to that is to substitute Nazi for Muslim and ask if you would believe an avowed Nazi who claimed to be peaceful and/or ignorant of Hitler's sayings.

I don't know where you live - but in America we don't deport our white supremacists, even the violent ones; we make sure the truth is known about them. And if they break our laws, we punish them. Being a Nazi is not illegal here. Repugnant, but not illegal. They yammer around the fringes of society, trying to gain acceptance, but we mock, disavow, and shun them wherever we find them.

If we did the same with IslamoFascists, there would be little need to fear.

re: #193 buzzsawmonkey

You misunderstand me.

All I said was that race was a bigger and hotter issue in US politics than it is in Europe, not that Europe is less racist than the US. Most racial issues in the US involve attempts to correct perceived or real racial injustices (eg affirmative action), so these are hardly indicative of a lack ofconcern about racism.

re: #199 BabbaZee Um, Babba - I really hate to say this, cause I know you're really effin' busy and all, but I did ask for that yesterday.
You have my e-mail already!

re: #208 realwest

I sent it, or at least I thought I did.
I will resend, very sorry

re: #203 littleoldlady

"I mean, it's hard to goose-step with your panties in a bunch."

--Mondoreb

I am SO stealing that! :-)

Sorry
{littleoldlady} but I already did steal it!
But you can use it all you want to! LOL!

re: #209 BabbaZee No need to apologize - I DO know how busy you are.
I'm also jealous as hell that Stormfront is angry with you!
Send it only when you can, ok?

Sorry y'all, gotta run - hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get a chance to see ya down the road!

#214 buzzsawmonkey

Now we agree. Islam is NOT a race, no matter how much CAIR wants it to be.

re: #206 lurking faith

Thanks, lurking faith.
That was the point I was trying to make.
Is Europe based on the rule of law or the rule of men (as islam is)?
Under the rule of law BEHAVIOUR is targetted, not status,
Under the rule of law small groups such as muslims are not allowed to set up their own courts or standards to be followed under coercion.

Since this thread seems to be calming down, I end it with this link from
JihadWatch, which should be the warning bells to everyone.

Those Muslims could be the "nice" ones living next to you.

re: #186 Killgore Trout

So-is that nationalist JEWlery?

/couldn't resist...

re: #213 Ethelred

So, what you're saying is the same thing as Dewinter said in 2003: "every veiled Muslim woman is signing a return contract." Personally, I do not agree. (A woman wearing a hijab should not be a reason for deportation -- a full-face covering burka may warrant other -- within the rule of law-- decisions, based on not wearing masks in public).

re: #213 Ethelred

You've got a heck of a nerve, dropping into this forum and telling us we don't really understand Islam.

You've been registered 3 years, and you've got 135 posts? Where have you been? Because it doesn't sound like you've been lurking.

If you want to advocate that we enforce our laws without making asinine exceptions for Islam, then I'm all for it. But if you're hinting around about mass deportations of legal residents, or worse, as I suspect you are, then no - I prefer to defend the Constitution.

re: #218 WriterMom

*rimshot*

Recognizing a new enemy does not negate the import of the old enemy Ethel, the two things are not mutually exclusive.

No one should provide political cover for white power freaks out of expedience

or because they have been made to believe they have "no alternative" but to do so.

There are no moderate Muslims IMO, only apostates. Conversely there are no moderate Nazis.. and the Vlaams are no apostates.

Both are equally my enemy

re: #219 J.S.

If you REALLY believe that Islam, the real Islam is a religion of hatred, death and destruction of the unbeliever, then we have no choice.

How about this: when Saudi Arabia allows unlimited construction of synagogues and churches AND public displays of Judaism and Christianity, then we will allow veiled women.

re: #217 Ethelred

My other neighbors are cryto-fascists.

Since this thread seems to be calming down, let me just calmly say that unless we shred the Constitution, declare whole regions to be treasonous, deport thousands of law-abiding American citizens, and make wearing too much clothing illegal, we're all going to die.

/Ethelred

re: #223 Ethelred

we have no choice.

No choice but to do what?

re: #220 lurking faith

I really do not have to play "mine is bigger than yours".

Is any kind of belief, because it is wrapped by the word "religion" legal and hence to be tolerated?

I am for legally BANNING Islam. Muslims then will have a choice: leave Islam or leave America.

I understand that this is a big deal and runs against the grain of everything we THINK we hold dear.

Islam is different.

What will it take? The destruction of the Louvre? The storming of the Vatican? How many murders will it take?

What is it that will make you say, "Houston, we have a problem"?

re: #228 Ethelred

Ban Islam? Oh brother.

Anything else need to be banned?

#227

I am for legally BANNING Islam

That's an oxymoron.

The Constitution expressly forbids something like that, hence it cannot be legal.

The fight against the islamic project of world domination is difficult but can only be made more difficult by exploring impossible ways.

I've got a better idea: Let's ban evil. So simple. Think it'll work?

re: #228 Ethelred

And are you saying that you are willing to work with any sort of evil other than Islam to achieve that end?

re: #232 Dead Sea Squirrel

Why didn't we think of it before?!

re: #230 WriterMom

All right, what would you do?

Islam will hide behind our Constitution as long as it needs to until it destroys it.

I am listening.

re: #232 Dead Sea Squirrel

Let's ban Stan!

re: #232 Dead Sea Squirrel

When people whine to me
why do you believe in GOD if he was there why not do something about all this evil

I tell them it is very simple

He wont, because he loves us too much

All He has to do is wipe
all people from the face of this earth
BAM
no more evil

Evil is OURS not HIS

re: #235 Ethelred

re: #230 WriterMom

All right, what would you do?

Islam will hide behind our Constitution as long as it needs to until it destroys it.

I am listening.

No you are not, the debate about all this has gone on and on here, for years and years.

re: #223 Ethelred

We need to work within the confines of the Law, and if you're living in the United States, that means (ultimately) abiding by the U.S. Constitution. I don't see how you're going to be able to simply revoke the rights of legal immigrants on the grounds that some females are keeping their hair covered. (What would be next -- deporting those who fail to wear the appropriate eye-glass frames? And merely being a practitioner of a certain religion could never be used as a justification for deportation.)

Of course, there are (and should be) concerns about having too lenient an immigration policy for entrance into a country (or, conversely, too difficult to deport criminal-type immigrants, etc).

re: #234 Sharmuta

What would you do?

I am really tired of everyone wringing their hands.

We all agree, Islam is EVIL.

Now what?

re: #238 Poitiers-Lepanto

And she didn't say 'pretty please with a cherry on top'.

re: #237 BabbaZee

Absolutely.

re: #235 Ethelred

re: #230 WriterMom

All right, what would you do?

Islam will hide behind our Constitution as long as it needs to until it destroys it.

I am listening.

You are probably just provoking a flame war

LGF has done A LOT to fight back in the war of islam against the West and Freedom, and will keep doing it...if it will keep free from WNs and other monsters...

re: #239 J.S.

It's like Thanos said- to protect your culture, you protect your government- your laws. Right now- laws in America and europe let these immigrants in.

Well if everyone is listening (tee hee) then I'm GONNA SING SHOWTUNES.

I'll start with West Side Story, add in a dash of Fiddler on the Roof before I move on to Oklahoma...

re: #246 WriterMom

Well if everyone is listening (tee hee) then I'm GONNA SING SHOWTUNES.

I'll start with West Side Story, add in a dash of Fiddler on the Roof before I move on to Oklahoma...

Don't forget the OINK OINK theme !

/oinking in the mud
just oinking in the mud

re: #240 Ethelred

I am not wringing my hands
Never have
Never will

it's all deflection from the point of the thread which is not about Enemy 1 or Enemy 2 but Enemy 3

either you are OK with the neonazis agenda ideologically yourself

or

you are willing to sublimate your soul to what you consider a lesser evil than Islam in order to crush what is perceived as the more immediate enemy

There is no way to legitimatize them at this point to me so everything else is blowing smoke and commentary.

So which one is it for you?

Yesterday Glenn Reynolds at Instapundit had a post titled "LGF vs Brussels Journal" and under it he wrote: "Can't we all just get along?" He seems to be implying there's no reason to be down on Brussels Journal, and by extension, no reason to be down on VB. He should be more clear and say if he believes that LGF has no real reason not to get along with Brussels Journal. Did anyone else see the post? Did anyone else get the impression he was saying that LGF lacks a good reason not to get along with Brussels Journal?

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

{Buzz}

.

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 141

And of course WE are doing nothing against islam...

re: #240 Ethelred

Me? I'm going to vote for the best dang people I can to execute the war on terror and continue to enlighten those I speak to about islam.

re: #248 BabbaZee

Yes-that is the essentail question: do you want to fight the Jihad with Nazis by your side? Is that OK?

I decline.

#235 Ethelred

What's your solution? Get rid of the Constitution, so Islam can't hide behind it anymore? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me. . .

OOoh, WriterMom, I like "Kismet"! Sing some stuff from Kismet! "Taaake myyy haaand! I'm a Stranger in Paradiiise!"

(We could write a musical for Baldwin IV, the Leper King).

re: #251 Poitiers-Lepanto

There you go again with FACTS.

zzz

{OINK}

re: #249 dossier

I could care less about that aspect of it

Let them address my evidence
which no one does

Oh-Charles thanks! The BOLD ITALICS and all other Lizard Goodies are working again. Oh Joy Oh Bliss!

re: #239 J.S.

You are being silly, and the fact that this has been debated for years does not change the facts: Europe is years closer to destruction, and the US is that much closer to looking like Europe.

Islam is not some "certain" religion, as we all know. We also all know that is a total ideological system that destroys all before it.

We also know that there is no central authority in Islam and hence no single source for a definition, as much as Ibrahim Hooper would like.

We, after reading the Koran, the Hadith and the Sira are just as capable as a Muslim in understanding what it says. We are entitled to define Islam, as we understand it from its own canon, to be declared a religio-non-gratum. We are entitled to declare that as long as the Islamic texts say X, Y and Z, Islam will not be considered a protected religion, but a political ideology that just happens to be bent on our destruction.

But again, what would you do? What should the non-Muslims of Malmo (if there are any) do? What should the Swedish government do about Malmo?

re: #240 Ethelred

I have seen with my own eyes the results Charles Johnson and his minions have in combating the creeping tide of shari'a, so don't you tell me LGFers aren't doing anything to combat islam!

re: #254 TalkinKamel

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How I KNOW you would be here...

You want a Cliff's Notes version, Ethel?

1) The Islamists keep pushing their luck worldwide, knowing that their demographic advantage and Western appeasement won't last forever. Nasty fighting finally break out, but when the dust has settled, the Islamic world has suffered another humiliating defeat. (Yes, I'm optimistic about that one).

2) Radical Islam becomes a badge of shame rather than pride, and a meaner, leaner West is smart enough to heap blame and scorn precisely where it belongs: on Islam and its holy book, its holy prophet.

3) Many Muslims quietly abandon their faith out of shame, either for a benign secularism or for Christianity. As for the rest...

4) The sheer pressure of unbearable shame will compel credible Muslim leaders to rearticulate the faith in a non-violent, non-supremacist form. Yes, this means reinterpreting the Koran, and if you come back with that tired old non-sequitur, "It's the word of God and must be interpreted literally, therefore it cannot be reinterpreted," your grasp of logic is not adequate to post at LGF. That argument is pure crap.

5) Jihadi Islam is declared a heresy by Muslim leadership, and the remaining Muslims claim that this new version of Islam is in fact the traditional Islam they've always believed, just better articulated now, and we all nod and play along.

Will it work? Well, I'll take my chances with a program like that before burning the Constitution, Ethel

re: #255 WriterMom

re: #251 Poitiers-Lepanto

There you go again with FACTS.

zzz

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what I have posted to date seems like so much but it is nothing
I can make posts that long every day for weeks and never run out of connections

shifting the discourse
to the Vlaams slogan of "no alternative",
Look ! over there! Islam!
aint gonna cut it with me

It's like a new shade of moby, or something.

Don't take any wooden Odin's crosses!

See yez later