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Sources for Pim Fortuyn 'Fascist' Quote

Mon, Nov 5, 2007 at 8:44:41 am PST

If you’ve been following the misleading claims put out by Vlaams Belang supporters such as Brussels Journal, you probably noticed that they’re now saying that assassinated Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was a supporter of Vlaams Belang, and never called Filip DeWinter a ‘fascist,’ as cited by Wikipedia.

Two European readers have now emailed links to sources for this quote. The first is Blokwatch: Nationale webstek over het Vlaams Belang - De extreem-rechtse internationale. It’s in Dutch, of course, but the pertinent section is readable anyway, and is credited to the Belgian newspaper De Morgen:

De liefde lijkt echter van maar één kant te komen. ‘Ik heb het Vlaams Belang niet nodig’, riposteerde Wilders (De Morgen, 29.1.2005). Daarmee ontspint zich dezelfde situatie als met wijlen Pim Fortuyn het geval was. Dewinter en tutti quanti – nochtans tegenstanders van het homohuwelijk – maakten Fortuyn constant het hof, terwijl Fortuyn er alles aan deed om niét met het Blok geassocieerd te worden. Hij ergerde er zich aan vergeleken te worden met heren van het slag Le Pen of Dewinter: ‘Die mannen zeggen dingen die je niet kunt maken. Dewinter is een fascist. Ik ben een beschaafde man. U zult mij niet horen zeggen: ‘Eigen volk eerst’ (De Morgen, 4.5.2005).

The second source is LVB.net—whose owner, Luc Van Braekel, is the webmaster of Brussels Journal: Fortuyn over België en Dewinter.

[Bij het afscheid blijkt hoe geobsedeerd Fortuyn is door de veelgemaakte vergelijking met Le Pen en Dewinter.] Die mannen zeggen dingen die je niet kunt maken. Dewinter is een fascist. Ik ben een beschaafde man. U zult mij niet horen zeggen: ‘Eigen volk eerst’. En ben ik niet veel sympathieker dan Dewinter?

A Babelfish translation: Fortuyn concerning Belgian Dewinter.

[ At the farewell proves to be how obsessed Fortuyn are by much-made comparison with Le pen and Dewinter. ] Those men say things whom you cannot make. Dewinter is a fascist. I am a civilised man. You will not hear me say: ‘ own people firstly ‘. And I not are much more sympathetic than Dewinter?

UPDATE at 11/5/07 9:26:03 am:

Michael Van Der Galiën (for whom you should vote in the Weblog Awards) emailed a better translation of Fortuyn’s statement:

“Those men say unacceptable things. DeWinter is a fascist. I’m a civilized man. You won’t hear me say: ‘own people first.’ And am I not much more sympathetic than DeWinter?”

Also, Pim Fortuyn’s brother was interviewed about the decision of Dutch politician Nawijn and DeWinter to start a think tank in Fortuyn’s home: “People have to realize that Philip DeWinter still flirts with the extreme right.”

Marten Fortuyn was upset about the association because he knew what his brother thought of DeWinter.

Here’s the link in Dutch.

Michael Van Der Galiën also has some words of his own on this matter:

For what it’s worth: every Dutchman knows that you’re right. Fortuyn only defended DeWinter when the latter was attacked by people, etc. His message was: they’re fascists, but fascists have a right to speak out as well.

When will Paul Belien retract his misleading post?

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1 Sharmuta  11/05/07 8:46:33 am reply quote 0
Dewinter is een fascist.

Rotating title!

2 BabbaZee  11/05/07 8:47:57 am reply quote 0

All your entryism are belong to us firstly

3 Sharmuta  11/05/07 8:50:44 am reply quote 2
Two European readers have now emailed links to sources for this quote.

You Two ROCK!

4 MandyManners  11/05/07 8:51:02 am reply quote 0

re: #2 BabbaZee

All your entryism are belong to us firstly

What have those WN assholes said about you?

5 BabbaZee  11/05/07 8:53:00 am reply quote 0

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6 NoSubmission  11/05/07 8:54:07 am reply quote 0

No so OT:
Russian Nationalists March in Moscow

MOSCOW (AP) —A white supremacist from Texas lifted his black cowboy hat into the air as he stepped forward to address thousands of Russian nationalists at a rally Sunday in Moscow.

"I'm taking my hat off as a sign of respect for your strong identity in ethnicity, nation and race," said Preston Wiginton, 43, exposing his close-cropped head to a freezing drizzle.

"Glory to Russia," he said in broken Russian, as the crowd of mostly young Russian men raised their right hands in a Nazi salute and chanted "white power!" in English.

About 5,000 nationalists turned out for the Russian March, held for the third year on National Unity Day, a holiday the Kremlin created in 2005 to replace the traditional Nov. 7 celebration of the 1917 Bolshevik rise to power.

The Kremlin has tried to give the holiday historical significance by tying it to the 1612 expulsion of Polish and Cossack troops who briefly seized Moscow at a time of political disarray.

But extreme nationalists have seized on the holiday, reflecting a rise in xenophobia. More than 50 people have been killed and 400 injured in ethnically motivated attacks this year, according to the Sova rights center.

7 MandyManners  11/05/07 8:54:23 am reply quote 0

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8 Golem Akbar  11/05/07 8:54:55 am reply quote 7

Charles, fight the good fight. An alliance with fascists will only destroy all the good that democracy can do.

9 Dead Sea Squirrel  11/05/07 8:54:56 am reply quote 5

Another accusation goes down in vlaams. LGF, the site that fact-checks your everybody's ass.

10 Killian Bundy  11/05/07 8:55:11 am reply quote 3

Political Black Ops in Belgium?

The conservative blogosphere is not immune to disinformation ops. If the American Left can't knock out conservative talk radio with the Fairness Doctrine, they have enough billionaires who are happy to sponsor dirty tricks to split the conservative movement. "Black PR" is quite likely to happen during the coming election. Keep an eye out for it.

It is therefore at least possible that Charles Johnson has been taken in by disinformation. It's easy to fall for suspicious information on the web. I would guess that Paul Belien and the writers for Brussels Journal are really decent people. They are constantly smeared by the Belgian Left, which is practically a proof of their personal probity. But they have some unfinished business.

/ooh, now it's a conspiracy

11 BabbaZee  11/05/07 8:55:19 am reply quote 0

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12 Sharmuta  11/05/07 8:55:34 am reply quote 1

Take THAT brussels journal!

13 buzzsawmonkey  11/05/07 8:55:46 am reply quote 0

A glass of Pimm's Cup all around!

/is it too early?

14 g3n3r1c  11/05/07 8:56:14 am reply quote -2

So let me get this straight - Japan can drill for oil off our coast and we can't?
TOKYO, Nov 5 (KUNA) -- Japan's major trading firm Sojitz Corp. has obtained a concession on an oil field in the Gulf of Mexico, a top-selling business daily here reported Monday.
Sojitz has bought the 30 percent drilling rights on the Phoenix Oilfield south of New Orleans, the US from Texas-based Energy Resources Technology GOM forJPY 4.6 billion (USD 40.1 million), according to the Nikkei Shimbun.
While Chevron Corp. and other upstream oil firms used to drill oil and gas in the field, they were forced to suspend production activities due to heavy damage caused by Hurricane Katrina that struck the area in 2005, said the daily.
Sojitz and other firms will refurbish facilities in the oil field in preparation for resuming output, the daily said, adding that the improvement work is expected to cost Sojitz JPY 12.5 billion (USD 109.0 million).
The drilling project is scheduled to start in autumn 2008, and Sojitz is expected to secure the total amount of oil and gas equal to 2,700 barrels a day of crude oil, and sell it on the US market, the report said

15 BabbaZee  11/05/07 8:56:56 am reply quote 0

Hiya Buzz
I plan on goofing off for the next hour
sing me a song

16 Ethelred  11/05/07 8:57:04 am reply quote 4

Perhaps the term 'fascist' that is used here is of the European variety.

What I mean is that there is a huge disconnect between the elites and the "common man." For instance, there is virtually no free speech in Sweden (read Bawer) and merely commenting negatively on Islam can bring down the wrath of the government upon you.

Europe is ready to explode because Europeans, meaning the Western peoples of Germany, Italy, France, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc are watching their country and culture evaporate before their eyes. They hear soothing words from their media, along with threats, subtle and not, about stating what is obvious, to say nothing of doing anything.

Any European will very likely be called a 'fascist' for saying something like:

"Islam is not compatible with Western values. Muslims are not making any attempt to assimilate because Islam teaches them that we are kuffars and beneath them. They want to build separate cultural islands with separate law (Sharia). Islamic integration must be stopped until OUR SECULAR LAW is respected and obeyed and threats of violence cease. If Muslims do not want to do this, they can leave."

Now I ask you, is the above fascist?

17 CloneTrooper  11/05/07 8:57:25 am reply quote -4

This is getting old.

18 BabbaZee  11/05/07 8:57:45 am reply quote 0

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19 buzzsawmonkey  11/05/07 8:58:30 am reply quote 1

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20 NoSubmission  11/05/07 8:59:05 am reply quote 0

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21 Dead Sea Squirrel  11/05/07 8:59:08 am reply quote 0

re: #10 Killian Bundy

Political Black Ops in Belgium?

The conservative blogosphere is not immune to disinformation ops. If the American Left can't knock out conservative talk radio with the Fairness Doctrine, they have enough billionaires who are happy to sponsor dirty tricks to split the conservative movement. "Black PR" is quite likely to happen during the coming election. Keep an eye out for it.

It is therefore at least possible that Charles Johnson has been taken in by disinformation. It's easy to fall for suspicious information on the web. I would guess that Paul Belien and the writers for Brussels Journal are really decent people. They are constantly smeared by the Belgian Left, which is practically a proof of their personal probity. But they have some unfinished business.

/ooh, now it's a conspiracy

It's an unbelievably stupid article. He even discusses a photo of a Sweden Democrats rally, misidentifying it as Vlaams Belang.

22 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:00:05 am reply quote 2
Dewinter is een fascist

Dutch is easy.

23 buzzsawmonkey  11/05/07 9:00:40 am reply quote 0

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24 keyword  11/05/07 9:00:58 am reply quote 0

Translation of first section:
The love appears to be one-sided. "I don't need Vlaams Belang, said Wilders(De Morgen, 29.1.2005), a statement that equals the sentiment of the late Pim Fortuyn. DeWinter and everyone opponent of gay marriage were constantly courting Fortuyn, while Fortyun was doing all he could to distance himself from The Blok. He was annoyed at being compared with men like Le Pen or DeWinter:"Those men say things that are unacceptable. DeWinter is a fascist. I am a civilized man. You won't hear me say: "Our people first" (De Morgen, 4.5.2005).

25 BabbaZee  11/05/07 9:00:58 am reply quote 0

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26 MandyManners  11/05/07 9:01:28 am reply quote 0

re: #5 BabbaZee

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27 ploome hineni  11/05/07 9:01:43 am reply quote 0

re: #22 Ben Hur

Dewinter is een fascist

Dutch is easy.

Dutch=german=saxon=anglo saxon

English is heavy German, French influenced language

28 Pvt Bin Jammin  11/05/07 9:01:49 am reply quote 0

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29 BabbaZee  11/05/07 9:02:23 am reply quote 0

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30 ploome hineni  11/05/07 9:02:33 am reply quote 0

#5 BabbaZee

send it to me

31 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:03:22 am reply quote 1
Ethnic nationalism is a form of nationalism wherein the "nation" is defined in terms of ethnicity. Whatever specific ethnicity is involved, ethnic nationalism always includes some element of descent from previous generations. It also includes ideas of a culture shared between members of the group, and with their ancestors, and usually a shared language.

Whereas a purely cultural definition of "the nation" allows people to become members of a nation by cultural assimilation, and a purely linguistic definition seeing "the nation" as all speakers of a specific language would make all those who learned the language members of the nation, the emphasis in the definition of nations (among nationalist movements) since the 19th century has shifted from language, culture, and folklore to a basis in ethnic origin.

Emphasis mine.

32 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:03:55 am reply quote 0

"Our people first."

That Fortyun is too 'civilized' to say this is source of the whole problem that is leading Europe to its destruction.

33 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:04:54 am reply quote 0

Ya?

34 MandyManners  11/05/07 9:05:18 am reply quote 1

re: #32 Ethelred

"Our people first."

That Fortyun is too 'civilized' to say this is source of the whole problem that is leading Europe to its destruction.

Which people? White people only?

35 JHW  11/05/07 9:05:20 am reply quote 1

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36 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:06:02 am reply quote 0

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37 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:06:45 am reply quote 0

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38 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:07:02 am reply quote 1

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39 Killgore Trout  11/05/07 9:08:22 am reply quote 5

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40 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:08:41 am reply quote 1

#34

If you are say, Dutch by birth or by assimilation and hence consider yourself to be a part of a culture that allows for free speech, individual initiative and true freedom of religion, then you can say "Our People First" and mean the idea of "Dutchness" does not get turned upside down by an alien invasion.

41 Dead Sea Squirrel  11/05/07 9:09:09 am reply quote 3

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42 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:09:32 am reply quote 1

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43 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:10:38 am reply quote 2

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44 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  11/05/07 9:10:48 am reply quote 0

re: #27 ploome hineni

re: #22 Ben Hur

Dewinter is een fascist


Dutch is easy.

Dutch=german=saxon=anglo saxon

English is heavy German, French influenced language

With Latin rules of grammar, all of which makes for a most delightful language!

45 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:11:24 am reply quote 0

I seem to remember 'ethelred' posting a lot of weird stuff some time ago. Anyone else recall?

46 apachegunner  11/05/07 9:11:28 am reply quote 0

Comen sie fraulien mit der bloomers in der wand...HA! See, ich sprect Deutsch....

47 Charles  11/05/07 9:11:30 am reply quote 7

re: #10 Killian Bundy

Political Black Ops in Belgium?

The conservative blogosphere is not immune to disinformation ops. If the American Left can't knock out conservative talk radio with the Fairness Doctrine, they have enough billionaires who are happy to sponsor dirty tricks to split the conservative movement. "Black PR" is quite likely to happen during the coming election. Keep an eye out for it.

It is therefore at least possible that Charles Johnson has been taken in by disinformation. It's easy to fall for suspicious information on the web. I would guess that Paul Belien and the writers for Brussels Journal are really decent people. They are constantly smeared by the Belgian Left, which is practically a proof of their personal probity. But they have some unfinished business.

/ooh, now it's a conspiracy

I saw that, and my reaction is: Oh brother. "I have no evidence at all, but I think Charles Johnson may have been taken in by disinformation!"

What about all the evidence I've posted? It's all disinformation? Wow! The Belgians are amazing at that disinformation game!

And how about this one?

LGF is a very good site, and Charles Johnson is understandably passionate about keeping his reputation spotless.

Since when did it become "wanting to keep a reputation spotless" if you don't want to associate with fascists?

That's like saying my reason for not diving into a cesspool is because I want to stay spotlessly clean.

48 AndeePanda  11/05/07 9:11:36 am reply quote 1

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Congressional Democrats are trying to push through a bill to provide cable television to welfare recipients. Included in the bill is a provision to EXCLUDE Fox news from channels offered. Says Democrat Warren Billingsley, "Fox News isn't a proper source of information."
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

49 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:11:39 am reply quote 2

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50 justnobody  11/05/07 9:11:43 am reply quote -2

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51 Poitiers-Lepanto  11/05/07 9:12:11 am reply quote 0

re: #41 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #32 Ethelred

The problem is that there is too much evidence that for DeWinter and his ilk, "our people" = "white people." If you base your defense of civilization on race, you will lose American support. If you lose American support, the war against Islamofascism is lost. The End.

Squirrel hath spoken.

Brilliant, thank you.

52 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:12:30 am reply quote 1

I think Brussels Journal doth protest too much.

53 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:13:23 am reply quote 1

re #41 Squirrel

There are Mexicans (for example) who have emigrated legally to the US and who now consider themselves Americans, which means speaking English, leaving your tribalism back in Mexico and thinking as an individual and working for your individual goals. Maintaining your old culture is optional and a personal thing.

It is to the members of La Raza that I say "America First".

54 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:13:47 am reply quote 0

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55 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:14:24 am reply quote 1

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56 MandyManners  11/05/07 9:15:05 am reply quote 0

re: #40 Ethelred

#34

If you are say, Dutch by birth or by assimilation and hence consider yourself to be a part of a culture that allows for free speech, individual initiative and true freedom of religion, then you can say "Our People First" and mean the idea of "Dutchness" does not get turned upside down by an alien invasion.

If it's based on citizenship by birth or by immigration and assimilation, I can get behind that.

57 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:16:25 am reply quote 0

You can move to England and be "British," but you won't be English.

58 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:16:26 am reply quote 0

The question that concerns us is: is your nationalism colour-blind, and 'religion-blind'. If not BUH BYE.

59 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:16:46 am reply quote 1

#45 WriterMom

Weird stuff?

Islam cannot be reformed and is not compatible in any way with Western values.

Weird enough?

60 Pawn of the Oppressor  11/05/07 9:17:20 am reply quote 0

re: #14 g3n3r1c

61 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:17:47 am reply quote 1

Is that entryism I smell?

62 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:17:51 am reply quote 0

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63 WriterMom  11/05/07 9:18:16 am reply quote 0

As if I am a big cheerleader for Islam..lol.

64 keyword  11/05/07 9:18:38 am reply quote 2

I think that what is meant by "our people first" are the indigenous people of Belgium. Others are 'secondary'. Has a familiar ring to it, doesn't it?

65 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:19:25 am reply quote -2

#62 WriterMom

Peek away.

questioningislam@yahoo.com

66 Poitiers-Lepanto  11/05/07 9:20:56 am reply quote 1

I don't know if it's a urban legend or not, anyway:

Immigration Officer: What's your race ?
Einstein: Human.

67 Pawn of the Oppressor  11/05/07 9:20:57 am reply quote 1

re: #53 Ethelred

re #41 Squirrel

There are Mexicans (for example) who have emigrated legally to the US and who now consider themselves Americans, which means speaking English, leaving your tribalism back in Mexico and thinking as an individual and working for your individual goals. Maintaining your old culture is optional and a personal thing.

It is to the members of La Raza that I say "America First".

The guy who drove the cab which took me from Harahan to New Orleans last week was driven by a guy named Mohammed from West India who had an accent that sounded almost Caribbean. He was complaining about calling tech support and getting Indian people who didn't speak proper English ("I'm from west India but I'm American, dammit, why don't I get somebody who speaks my language?").

REAL multiculturalism - that is, Multiculturalism + Integration - is a great thing.

68 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:21:20 am reply quote 1

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69 Golem Akbar  11/05/07 9:21:28 am reply quote 0

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70 newsjunkie_ky  11/05/07 9:22:25 am reply quote 1

re: #48 AndeePanda

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Congressional Democrats are trying to push through a bill to provide cable television to welfare recipients. Included in the bill is a provision to EXCLUDE Fox news from channels offered. Says Democrat Warren Billingsley, "Fox News isn't a proper source of information."
[Link:

71 rappmandu  11/05/07 9:23:16 am reply quote 0

I think these fools' 15 minutes of LGF fame is over.

72 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:23:27 am reply quote 0

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73 jcm  11/05/07 9:24:11 am reply quote 0

LIZARDS FIRST!

74 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:24:20 am reply quote -1

I seem to remember a post somewhere about the difference between "nationalism" and "patriotism".

The former tends to be aggressive and destructive while the latter tends to be defensive and constructive.

The Swedes who used to be able to live in Malmo and merely want their country taken back from the elites who have lead it to the abyss could easily be called "patriots."

75 Dianna  11/05/07 9:24:48 am reply quote 2

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76 Killgore Trout  11/05/07 9:24:56 am reply quote 1

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77 MandyManners  11/05/07 9:25:00 am reply quote 0

re: #65 Ethelred

#62 WriterMom

Peek away.

questioningislam@yahoo.com

I've been there before!

78 1389  11/05/07 9:25:00 am reply quote 0

Concerned about neo-Nazis? Serious about it?

As I've mentioned before, there's an overt, blatant, avowed, and violent neo-Nazi performer touring the US and Canada right now!

I've gathered some more information since then, so that we can all do something about it, rather than merely continue grumbling to each other about how awful it is!

Croatian neo-Nazi rock star "Thompson" is currently touring the US and is also scheduled to perform in Canada. He is known for inciting violence following his concerts/rallies in Europe and should never have been allowed into the US.

He should be sent home immediately!

TENC: Oppose Fascist Rock Star's US Tour with the Truth (Part 1)

According to the TENC article above:

"Croatian rock star Marko Perkovic 'Thompson' has just begun a US-Canadian tour, with two concerts in New York (Nov. 2 and 3), followed by concerts in Toronto (Nov. 4, reportedly cancelled), Cleveland (Nov. 9), Chicago (Nov. 10), Los Angeles (Nov. 11), Vancouver (Nov. 16), and San Francisco (Nov. 18.) Full details are in footnote [1].

Emperor's Clothes has proven that Thompson is a self-declared Ustasha - a Croatian clerical-fascist. (Clerical-fascist ideology indoctrinates with a mixture of Nazi-type racism and Catholic religious fanaticism.) The Ustasha movement murdered over a million people from 1941-1945. The overwhelming majority were Serbs (Slavs who are Orthodox Christian, i.e., non-Catholic), but they also killed most Jews and Roma ('Gypsies') in the greater Croatia that they ruled."

Information about where to complain is at the top of the above TENC article.

Information about the concert schedule is in footnote 1 in the above article.

Also see:

Nazis: Coming soon to a concert venue near YOU!

79 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:25:20 am reply quote 0

OK.

WTF?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Was this thing NOT on LGF?!?

I support the rights of hunters (as long as they eat the damn thing and don't bait it with a salt lick on some ranch in Texas) but this is effen WRONG!

Minnesota Woman Shoots Rare Albino Deer on Opening Day of Hunting Season

80 Poitiers-Lepanto  11/05/07 9:25:54 am reply quote 0

re: #73 jcm

LIZARDS FIRST!

LOL !
Absolutely hilarious !
LIZARD SUPREMACISM !
LIZARDS WERE HERE FIRST ! (150,000,000 years first !)

81 MamaAJ  11/05/07 9:26:00 am reply quote 0

From the American Thinker article:

I visited Belgium several years ago, and just happened to see a TV news program featuring some spokesfolks for Vlaams Belang. They looked like extras from the Star Wars bar scene; if they ever lost their jobs in Belgium they could go straight to Central Casting. There's always a need in show business for bad guys who really look like bad guys. It was amazing. I can't imagine a real political party parading those people on TV. Imagine if the Republican Party of Mississippi had spokespeople straight out of Deliverance? Would they be for real?

So they were "spokesfolks" but you think they weren't real supporters? How does that work?

Seems like he's trying to sit on the fence instead of taking a side and has twisted himself around mightily trying to make a point about what could happen...somewhere...somewhen...

82 Is it me?  11/05/07 9:26:00 am reply quote 3

ETHELRED

Interesting posts. You can only push people so far. The big problem is the politicians in Europe generally. They have consistantly belittled and demonised the indigenous populations and tried, via the EU to turn everyone into Europap (a bland tasteless mass). It won't work. Europe is a rich tapestry with an interesting history and now I believe most people are tired of being oppressed by the people whom they elected and who should be addressing their concerns and fears. Too often they are not. Even worse they are repressing free speech to save themselves from criticism and having to explain their agendas and are treating some parts of their populations (with their own agendas) as special cases to the detriment of the majority. This is causing resentment and it is not going away. If these concerns are not addressed and a big public debate is not allowed I can see Europe suddenly zipping to the right, possibly the far right. If that happens it is all going to end badly. This is what happens when Democracy gets corrupted by the politicians in an underhand manner backed up by legislation that they pass for themselves. This undermines or destroys the checks and balances that should work within the democratic framework. No good comes of it.

83 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:26:01 am reply quote 1

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84 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:26:21 am reply quote 0

Oh look!

So pretty!

So rare!

LET"S KILL IT!

85 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:26:46 am reply quote -2

#67

The melting pot is much different than the mosaic.

86 keyword  11/05/07 9:26:54 am reply quote 0

@Ben Hur
Care to elaborate why it is wrong?

FYI in Wisconsin it is illegal to shoot albino deer. Pibalds ok though.

87 Aldamir  11/05/07 9:27:27 am reply quote 1

Europe and America are very different places. The political life of Europe does not easily convert into US terms or vice versa. The concept of the nation in most of continental Europe is an ethnic nationalist one. This is the case on the left as well as the right. The UK is the only real exception to this, where the concept of the nation is more political than ethnic. Ethnic nationalism in Europe is not usually about white power, even though it may seem that way to Americans.

Conservatism in Europe is quite different from that in the US. There is no European equivalent of the Republican Party, just as there are no US equivalents of say the German Christian Democrats, Social Democrats or Socialists.

I think that Vlaams Belang is a party with some unsavoury elements involved in it, rather than a fully fledged neo-nazi or white power group. It should be noted that it is currently attempting to become more mainstream; I think that overall VB is less unsavoury than, for example, the British BNP.

88 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:27:29 am reply quote 0

re: #86 keyword

@Ben Hur
Care to elaborate why it is wrong?

FYI in Wisconsin it is illegal to shoot albino deer. Pibalds ok though.


Hunting is not wrong.

Killing a rare albino deer is wrong.

89 MandyManners  11/05/07 9:27:39 am reply quote 0

re: #71 rappmandu

I think these fools' 15 minutes of LGF fame is over.

Nope. This won't be an easy fight against the fascists.

90 keyword  11/05/07 9:28:29 am reply quote 0

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91 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:28:31 am reply quote 0

re: #86 keyword

@Ben Hur
Care to elaborate why it is wrong?

FYI in Wisconsin it is illegal to shoot albino deer. Pibalds ok though.


Unless you meant to baiting with a salt lick on a ranch.

Saw that on TV.

There is absolutely no sport in that.

92 justnobody  11/05/07 9:28:46 am reply quote -1

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93 chicagodudewhotrades  11/05/07 9:29:00 am reply quote 0

OT, but funny:


I'm flipping thru the TV channels and the weather guy on CNN is talking about the record cold snap that is happening across the midwest.


What happened to global warming?

94 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:29:14 am reply quote 0

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96 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:29:42 am reply quote 1

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97 Charles  11/05/07 9:29:42 am reply quote 3

Better translation added above, along with even more evidence and a personal statement from Dutch blogger Michael van der Galien.

98 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:30:02 am reply quote 0

I guess that's the same answer as my first answer.

99 keyword  11/05/07 9:31:08 am reply quote 0

Less than one hour's drive away, I photgraphed 3 of them early this fall.
I'll agree that they're neat freaks of nature. However, they are inferior to normal whitetail deer.

100 buzzsawmonkey  11/05/07 9:31:13 am reply quote 8

Shakespeare's Sonnet #29 (A)

--being an adaptation in honor of Filip DeWinter

When in disgrace with Fortuyn and men's eyes
I all alone beweep my outcast state,
And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries,
And likewise erstwhile allies do berate,
Wishing they would, like me, limit their scope
Of politics to our shared hue possessed,
And grant as I desire, sufficient rope
That I might hang all foes whom I detest;
Yet in these thoughts my self almost despising,
Haply I think on race, and then my state,
Like to the lark at break of day arising
From sullen earth, sings hymns at heaven's gate;
For in dark places I the dream retain
That racial purity shall rise again.

101 Ben Hur  11/05/07 9:31:57 am reply quote 0

re: #99 keyword

Less than one hour's drive away, I photgraphed 3 of them early this fall.
I'll agree that they're neat freaks of nature. However, they are inferior to normal whitetail deer.

Dammit!

OK 3 in a million!

LOL!

102 Sharmuta  11/05/07 9:32:41 am reply quote 0

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103 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:33:27 am reply quote -1

We are talking about Europe becoming the equivalent of Pakistan (and You KNOW what I mean) and buzzsawmonkey is writing sonnets.

Geez.

104 J.S.  11/05/07 9:33:30 am reply quote 0

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105 formercorpsman  11/05/07 9:34:28 am reply quote 0

Babba, you gettin some traction?

Are the wheels squeakin?

106 zmdavid  11/05/07 9:34:46 am reply quote 1

re: #99 keyword

Less than one hour's drive away, I photgraphed 3 of them early this fall.
I'll agree that they're neat freaks of nature. However, they are inferior to normal whitetail deer.


Deer racism?
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107 littleoldlady  11/05/07 9:34:54 am reply quote 3

Why am I (as an American) having so much trouble with the word "indigenous"? I was born here - the first generation in my family. Am I more or less or equally "indigenous" than someone whose great-g-g-g-great grandfather was brought here as a slave? At what/which generation does someone become part of the "indigenous" population?

/it's a code word, isn't it?

108 Fritz_Katz  11/05/07 9:34:55 am reply quote 0

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #32 Ethelred


"Our people first."

That Fortyun is too 'civilized' to say this is source of the whole problem that is leading Europe to its destruction.


Which people? White people only?

"Our people" = citizens of this country = people that were born here and LEGAL immigrants.

109 buzzsawmonkey  11/05/07 9:35:05 am reply quote 3

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113 taxfreekiller  11/05/07 9:36:14 am reply quote 0

tset, 4,3,2,1, zero

114 NoSubmission  11/05/07 9:37:16 am reply quote 0

Albino White Tail Deer First!

115 Ethelred  11/05/07 9:37:47 am reply quote 1

#108

One can be a LEGAL immigrant and still not want to assimilate.

My understanding is that the vast majority of the Muslim immigrants are legal.

It is the responsibility of the immigrant to bend to the host country's culture, not the other way around.