Wright on!

That's right, they should go after that shady, stuttering, community organizer with everything that they've got!

Oh yeah, and all the filthy baggage that Wright and the Obama share in common.

I don't understand why McCain has shied away from using this more. It goes straight to the point of Obama's judgment. As in "nonexistent."

Who's this Rev. Wright? dkos/huffpoo/msm

one-time parishioner

...for 20 years, every week, and he took notes. I'll go find that link...

No no no! Rev Wright is not fair game. Sarah Palin's Down baby & her expecting daughter are. That is Progressive.

About time. I just hope the McCain campaign is ready for the inevitable media---sorry, Obama--counteroffensive.

This may be the first issue of guilt by association that NObama will have to deal with. Next up - Billy (sauron of the ring) Ayers. And that one won't be the last, either.

The McCain campaign needs to put Wright in context, show that the issue is not about guilt by association or just about poor judgement, but that it says something about who Barack Obama really is. Connect the dots!

If they just "go negative", McCain loses.

Liberation Theology is rooted in an attempt by Marxism to overtake the church. Marxism found religion was a tough to eliminate, the original thrust so it subverted religion.

Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx

Wright and associated theology is not religion, it's politics and fair game.

Especially since it another Marxist association of Obama's, the last of many Marxist influences of Obama's starting with Stanley Ann Dunham.

re: #10 Peter Verkooijen

That's a tall order for 1 minute ads to accomplish.

Sounds like the chickens are coming home to roost.

Btw, did the rev ever prove that the US Government invented aids in order to infect african americans?

Jus' askin.

.

Why does Obama's fake Southern drawl bother me so much when he uses it?

re: #14 merrytexas

Maybe because it's fake?
;)

re: #14 merrytexas

Why does Obama's fake Southern drawl bother me so much when he uses it?

He learned it from Hillary?

The MSM will try to make people believe that the Obama's sat in those pews for 20 years but were not down with the racism, Anti Americanism & anti Semiticism.
Then they will tell you how smart these Ivy Leaguers are.

re: #13 Dad O' BlondesIt wasn't the gubmint, it was the Jooooooos.

Pull out Annenberg Files, Ayers, Rezko, Obama's Chicago record of failure in housing and education.

I'd say 20 years of attendance to his sermons, besides collecting the DVD's, the baptism of his children, the marriage of him & Michelle, plus the extraordinary FINANCIAL contributions point to an unwavering support by Obama that would if he was white, be more than adequate to ban him from any invitations to any civic forums or politcal functions in any other capacity.

But in apologist liberal America, they'll allow ignorance, racism, and sexism to justify their means.

I say: Hammer him John. JUST DO IT!

re: #4 Irene NYC

I don't understand why McCain has shied away from using this more. It goes straight to the point of Obama's judgment. As in "nonexistent."

I think that McCain would have cheerfully left Rev. Wright in the closet or down the memory hole if Obama hadn't chosen the tactics he's using now. I don't think McCain wants to get into the whole ugly, racially divisive material that Wright throws out.

What do you want, guilt by association by being a very close friend to Wright, or guilt by participation by going to a church that's rooted in BLT. Either way, Hussein's screwed.

re: #19 Peter Verkooijen

Pull out Annenberg Files, Ayers, Rezko, Obama's Chicago record of failure in housing and education.

Where are those Annenberg Challenge papers?

I'd rather the public get to see those videos of Ayers playing kissyface with Chavez, but perhaps the campaign is still slogging through those 130+ boxes of CAC papers to find the best stuff for that ad.

And you've gotta hit Obama on this CHANGE he brought to poor people in Chicago:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

re: #12 Irene NYC

That's a tall order for 1 minute ads to accomplish.

Make it a series of connected ads. Put longer versions on YouTube.

Is it me or did Obambi try to sound more "black' in front of this audience?
I mean dropping off the ends of words and "Where's he at?"

I have to admit that I'm not so sure this is a good tactic for McCain - first because the MSM will attack him even more (cause he's doing their job of "vetting" Obama - and he's better at it) and because I think questioning of his "judgment" with his associates isn't the best way to attack Obama.
I'd pretty much stick to a) his TOTAL lack of experience at ANYTHING that would qualify him to become the next POTUS and leader of the Free World b) his absolute lack of specific plans to deal with the economy and c) his tax, tax tax (and this time DON'T LEAVE OUT the fact that he's gonna let the Bush Tax Cuts expire, leaving those making more than $45,000 a year pay more in Taxes) at a time when that would just shove the US economy into a deep depression.

It's just that there are SO MANY things to attack Obama on, I really think McCain should stick with the aforementioned bread and butter issues.

re: #24 funky chicken

I'd rather the public get to see those videos of Ayers playing kissyface with Chavez, but perhaps the campaign is still slogging through those 130+ boxes of CAC papers to find the best stuff for that ad.

And you've gotta hit Obama on this CHANGE he brought to poor people in Chicago:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

They can't even spell let alone run a housing project...
Grove Parc

A cute little 60 sec montage of Wright wranting and the other associations as labelled pop up talking heads, spewing anti American trash talk, like malevolent little cartoons. Plenty to choose from in the Chicago crowd.

re: #26 little boomer

Is it me or did Obambi try to sound more "black' in front of this audience?
I mean dropping off the ends of words and "Where's he at?"

Yeah & Michelle is going real deep into homegirl.

re: #26 little boomer
He took the beasts speechifin' to specific audiences class.

"This isn't the MSM that I knew at the beginning of this race" --B'rack

re: #13 Dad O' Blondes

Sounds like the chickens are coming home to roost.

Btw, did the rev ever prove that the US Government invented aids in order to infect african americans?

Jus' askin.

.

I have run into that vile nonsense since the 80's, and there has never been one scrap of proof cited. Ever. It's a waste of time and a paranoid distraction from actual treatment and prevention.

Considering the number of friends I lost to AIDS prior to protease inhibitors, I'm pretty angry about it.

If the oBomba is saying McCain is bad by associating him with Limbaugh, then McCain can use Wright, Ayers and the Mrs Obama.

Would it be entirely inappropriate for me to throw an enthusiastic HELL YEAH out there?

later folks. The little boss would like to play!

re: #23 opnion

Where are those Annenberg Challenge papers?

I assume/hope Stanley Kurtz is working on them.

Anyway, enough has come out that makes clear the Annenberg Challenge was a dismal failure and that Obama was responsible for that failure.

re: #14 merrytexas

Why does Obama's fake Southern drawl bother me so much when he uses it?

Because it reflects the absolute fakery of the guy. Hillary Clinton does the same thing. These people are such phonies they have an accent for every crowd.

Have you noticed there are two people running this year who don't do that. They speak the same way, their way, everywhere they go: John McCain and Sarah Palin. Can you imagine how much easier life is when you don't have to put on an act to suit your environment?

re: #10 Peter Verkooijen
"If they just "go negative", McCain loses." I assume you mean "go negative" on Obama's character, or lack thereof?
Because - as I tried to indicate in my #27, there are SO MANY negatives to an Obama presidency that McCain can't and shouldn't point out those negatives.
Over and over again.

And let's not forget Tony Rezko and Bill Ayers. Sarah Palin's tanning bed never screamed "God damn America!" or bombed the Pentagon, but it is being attacked more than Messiah's friends for some reason.

re: #37 Peter Verkooijen

I assume/hope Stanley Kurtz is working on them.

Anyway, enough has come out that makes clear the Annenberg Challenge was a dismal failure and that Obama was responsible for that failure.

He had help. Lots of help.

re: #34 DoubleU

If the oBomba is saying McCain is bad by associating him with Limbaugh, then McCain can use Wright, Ayers and the Mrs Obama.

Word. Toss in slumlord Rezko, Terrorist pal, Odinga, Farrakhan, Pflager,& ACORN. No lies, just the truth & the truth here is ugly.
To hold back now is like saving your bullpen & then miss the playoffs.

re: #21 Dianna

I know it's ugly, but from a pragmatic angle, McCain has automatically lost 95% of the black vote and he needs to find a place to make that up. Independents and Latino voters are two large possibilities. I don't think either group will be very happy to hear Wright's diatribes, but I don't think they'll be able to ignore them altogether either.

Who you hang out with matters. That's why our parents told us not to hang out with the "bad kids." Because even if you didn't smoke the joint they were passing around you would still get a contact high. Given the number of Marxist/Socialist/Anarchist types Obama has hung around with over the last twenty-five years he's looking pretty "red" to me even if he didn't take a drag off of one of the "cigars" his Che-loving supporters have smoking.

re: #38 trulyyours

Because it reflects the absolute fakery of the guy. Hillary Clinton does the same thing. These people are such phonies they have an accent for every crowd.

Have you noticed there are two people running this year who don't do that. They speak the same way, their way, everywhere they go: John McCain and Sarah Palin. Can you imagine how much easier life is when you don't have to put on an act to suit your environment?

The quality of being comfortable in your own skin is so very appealing to me.

re: #37 Peter Verkooijen

I assume/hope Stanley Kurtz is working on them.

Anyway, enough has come out that makes clear the Annenberg Challenge was a dismal failure and that Obama was responsible for that failure.

The reason I am so interested is, the papers should establish that Obama reported to Ayers & that a lot of grant money went to Rezko.

re: #14 merrytexas

Why does Obama's fake Southern drawl bother me so much when he uses it?

Hillary and Kerry used while campaigning.

"However in a rare television interview tonight, the former president called Republican presidential candidate John McCain "a great man" and praised GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin as an "instinctively effective candidate."

I know, the article is 2 days old, but I still like the quote.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Anyone else notice how hard Bill & Hill are campaigning for Obama?
lololololol

Since ABC news did a hit piece last week on Sarah Palin's "former" Pentecostal church, I say Religion is definitely fair game. The story was full of worshipers speaking in tongues and saying the end is near.Trouble is she hasn't been a member of that Church in 5 or 6 years. No matter they tried to portray them, and her, as kooks.

re: #37 Peter Verkooijen

I assume/hope Stanley Kurtz is working on them.

Anyway, enough has come out that makes clear the Annenberg Challenge was a dismal failure and that Obama was responsible for that failure.

So what if it's clear. Most Americans don't know the first thing about it. We internuts know, but the story was studiously ignored by the MSM.

On this particular Sunday, the sea of black worshippers is dotted with a few white folks up in the balcony, clutching copies of The Audacity of Hope they've brought for Obama's book-signing later. Obama, sitting in the third row with his wife and two daughters, Malia and Natasha, stands, claps, prays, and sways along with the rest of the congregation. During the sermon, he watches the preacher carefully and writes notes. When asked by Wright to say a few words, Obama grabs the microphone and stands. "I love you all," he says. "It's good to be back home." The 150-person choir breaks into a chorus of "Barack, Hallelujah! Barack, Hallelujah!"

Ministaaaa's

re: #26 little boomer

Is it me or did Obambi try to sound more "black' in front of this audience?
I mean dropping off the ends of words and "Where's he at?"

He's always doing that. He's a total fake. Son of a white girl from Kansas and a Kenyan Arab, raised by a white family in Hawaii, Indonesia and Kansas, but he's presenting himself like he's MLK's lost son, as if he grew up in Harlem or Chicago's south side.

Deep down, you know he's Wright.

re: #17 opnion
Hey

The MSM will try to make people believe that the Obama's sat in those pews for 20 years but were not down with the racism, Anti Americanism & anti Semiticism.
Then they will tell you how smart these Ivy Leaguers are.

That's why I said what I did in my #27.
The MSM is SO in love with Obama, that any of this "personal crap" that the MSM let fly out the window without batting an eye, they will jump all over McCain for these "personal" attacks.

Murdoch: Obama's economic policies are 'naive'

[Link: www.thrfeed.com...]

For those who were fretting weeks ago that Murdoch was a closet Obama supporter?

re: #22 wiffersnapper

What do you want, guilt by association by being a very close friend to Wright, or guilt by participation by going to a church that's rooted in BLT. Either way, Hussein's screwed.

Bacon, Lettuce & Tomato? Wouldn't that be haraam in a NOI church?
OH! You mean Black Liberation Theology...my bad.

/snicker

I think you could do a single ad, with quick snips of Obama lying and minimizing his relationships with Wright, Ayers, and Rezko.

And then release follow up 30 sec to 1 min ads focusing on each individual.

And they have to use the video Obama made for the wackjob group in Iowa back around causus time where he pledges to slash the military so he can put the money into "domestic programs".

If Americans still elect him after that, I'm not sure what to think, beyond wishing even more that my husband had listened to me 10 years ago and gotten the hell out of the military so we could settle down somewhere.

Don't you just love the phony Southern accent. You get a lot of that in Hawaii and Chicago.

This close friend of Barack Obama also joined Louis Farrakhan on a trip to Libya and met with Muammar Gaddafi in 1984, right around the time Obama would have first met Rev. Wright. Has anyone ever asked Obama for his opinion about that trip?

"Thats not the trip I knew"
BO

re: #50 Irene NYC

So what if it's clear. Most Americans don't know the first thing about it. We internuts know, but the story was studiously ignored by the MSM.

Man did you nail it. We are woonks & talk to each other.
What is common knowledge here is not known by the broader society.
McCain has to get the whole ugly mess out there. No lies, but go hard.

Someone's chickens are coming home to roost, neh?

re: #60 sattv4u2

He must have thrown that trip under the bus.

I can see it now, the media saying "but obama is no longer a member of that church!" right after doing another expose on palin's former church.

re: #46 opnion

The reason I am so interested is, the papers should establish that Obama reported to Ayers & that a lot of grant money went to Rezko.

CAC money didn't go to Rezko, and Ayers reported to Obama.

Have you looked over the 990-PFs that NRO linked? All on their own, even without the minutes, they're pretty damning. Not one solid piece of education; lots of self-esteem and other nonsense.

Essentially, more than $50 million dollars were squandered.

I want Wright and Ayers 24/7

Beat these 2 in the media until it hurts

Use their images, their quotes, and the words of praise for them by the messiah

Keep pounding on his associations so that those many muddled minds out there in middle-America finally say, "man, he hangs out with some pretty nefarious folks."

And kos derangement syndrome is alive and well:
Obama 50
McCain 42

LOL

re: #59 rawmuse

Don't you just love the phony Southern accent. You get a lot of that in Hawaii and Chicago.

Come ON, rawmuse. Everyone knows that The One acquired that accent in Indonesia.
;)

re: #54 Ezekiel2517

Deep down, you know he's Wright.

Far Wright!

(You have betrayed your age if you remember that campaign slogan, and who it was used against. Trivia quiz anyone?)

re: #53 Peter Verkooijen

He's always doing that. He's a total fake. Son of a white girl from Kansas and a Kenyan Arab, raised by a white family in Hawaii, Indonesia and Kansas, but he's presenting himself like he's MLK's lost son, as if he grew up in Harlem or Chicago's south side.

You know , he uses Kansas by impliction. I don't think that he ever lived a day there.

It's not (just) guilt by association, it's making out Obama to be a liar and a fake.

It's still dangerous, the public expects politicians to be liars and fakes. Such accusations failed Hillary.

And it does not comprise a positive McCain message.

In light of the financial holocaust we're teetering on, I'd say it's a bad, bad move by McCain.

re: #34 DoubleU
Well yes McCain CAN use those associations, but I don't think he should.
I think McCain should stick to the undeniable issues I identified in my #27: Obama has NO experience that would remotely qualify him to be POTUS, he has absolutely no plans for dealing with the economy (or Russia, for that matter) and he's still on his "tax the rich" meme which is a downright LIE.
I really think the American People are far more concerned with those issues than Rev. Wright, Ayers and others.

re: #44 rexatosis

Who you hang out with matters. That's why our parents told us not to hang out with the "bad kids." Because even if you didn't smoke the joint they were passing around you would still get a contact high. Given the number of Marxist/Socialist/Anarchist types Obama has hung around with over the last twenty-five years he's looking pretty "red" to me even if he didn't take a drag off of one of the "cigars" his Che-loving supporters have smoking.

Not 25 years, his entire life.

His mother, was radical left. She hung out with Marxist Anarchist teachers in HS, and went to a Unitarian Church known as "The Little Red Church." She "proved" her radical creds by dating only black men.

On Hawaii his mentor was Frank Marshall Davis, member CPUSA and Marxist.

He met his father once or twice when he was ten, but his first book is too and about him. His father is a Marxist who advocated 100% tax rate.

Once out of college he sought out the groups of the Marxist Alinsky.

When he entered politics he did so through the home of the radical Marxist Ayers and his wife Dorn.

When he sought out the church with Marxist Liberation Theology.

Obama was born a red diaper doper baby and everything in his life shows nothing has changed.

re: #29 vagabond trader

A cute little 60 sec montage of Wright wranting and the other associations as labelled pop up talking heads, spewing anti American trash talk, like malevolent little cartoons. Plenty to choose from in the Chicago crowd.

Ayers and Dohrn have said some just lovely stuff, and have said it since the 1960s. And Obama's response to that ad ... "well, they never said any of that to me!1!11"

I'm down in the dumps today, and worried that people are going to believe that bastard.

re: #46 opnion

The reason I am so interested is, the papers should establish that Obama reported to Ayers & that a lot of grant money went to Rezko.

Right, leading back to the housing crisis, Obama being the #2 recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions. Start with these dubious connections, but tie them back to issues that matter, including housing and education.

pardon the thread drift but an interesting comment by Jim T in regards to the article on Jamie Gorelick from the website American Thinker.....

"At an "American Constitution Society" national convention in June, Gorelick was part of a panel and openly speculated on the possibility that she might be appointed Attorney General of the US if Obama is elected.
Video of session is here: [Link: www.acslaw.org...]
Personally I see neither hope nor change in Obama.
Posted by: Jim T. | September 19, 2008 07:42 AM"......

re: #59 rawmuse

Don't you just love the phony Southern accent. You get a lot of that in Hawaii and Chicago.

It makes me feel ill, actually.

re: #49 nigella

Since ABC news did a hit piece last week on Sarah Palin's "former" Pentecostal church, I say Religion is definitely fair game. The story was full of worshipers speaking in tongues and saying the end is near.Trouble is she hasn't been a member of that Church in 5 or 6 years. No matter they tried to portray them, and her, as kooks.

Another point - Palin evidently left when the pastor/youth pastor started encouraging the glossolalia. Yet another point: in a couple more years, the glossolalia will start to fade out.

re: #65 Dianna

CAC money didn't go to Rezko, and Ayers reported to Obama.

Have you looked over the 990-PFs that NRO linked? All on their own, even without the minutes, they're pretty damning. Not one solid piece of education; lots of self-esteem and other nonsense.

Essentially, more than $50 million dollars were squandered.

The Chicago Tribune reported that Obama was appointed chair by Ayers.
They also said that Annenberg grants went to Rezko.
That they misused the Trust is no surprise.

This is going to take some real finesse. And the media going to cry 'RACISM' so loud it might be impossible understand the real message.

I think the thing to do is to keep hammering it though. Once you open that can of worms you can't put them back in so you've got to keep it going until they have to talk about the issues. It might be another good opportunity to highlight the media's campaign to get Obama elected as well.

One thing Obama will have to do is divorce himself further from Wright. He already threw him under the bus, but now he'll have to run over him a few times. I wonder how the black community will like that one?

I just hope the McCain team has the stones for this attack if they're going to start it. No doubt some idiot Republicans will jump on his back for his 'racism' as well and he's going to have to blow right past them and just keep pounding it.

With the WaPo fretting over the 'racism' of the Franklin Raines commercial coming out before the Jim Johnson ad, you just know they're going to label McCain the most racist politican in history.

As a result, over the years, Wright became not only Obama's pastor, but his mentor. The title of Obama's recent book, The Audacity of Hope, is based on a sermon by Wright.

Same link as the note-taking one. It takes a long time to load, but it will load.

re: #74 funky chicken

Ayers and Dohrn have said some just lovely stuff, and have said it since the 1960s. And Obama's response to that ad ... "well, they never said any of that to me!1!11"

I'm down in the dumps today, and worried that people are going to believe that bastard.

You and me both funky.
I say use the Wright and Ayers stuff.

No on is listening to the "he isn't qualified" stuff.
Didn't work for Hillary and won't work for McCain.

He needs to remind people just what it is about Obama that appears "off".

re: #75 Peter Verkooijen

Right, leading back to the housing crisis, Obama being the #2 recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions. Start with these dubious connections, but tie them back to issues that matter, including housing and education.

Bingo! Let me show you to your table & I will bring the wine list.

And as we sit here on this topic, right now.

Jon Stewart on the daily show spreads his
manure to anyone looking to get their news.
However skewed it may be.

In order to win this one the dems have to
pray and hope they sufficiently dumbed down
the electorate and enough of the greatest
generation has passed on. Dumbocrats
primed to vote for an empty suit full of
guile and glib gibberish.

re: #80 kynna

This is going to take some real finesse. And the media going to cry 'RACISM' so loud it might be impossible understand the real message.

I think the thing to do is to keep hammering it though. Once you open that can of worms you can't put them back in so you've got to keep it going until they have to talk about the issues. It might be another good opportunity to highlight the media's campaign to get Obama elected as well.

One thing Obama will have to do is divorce himself further from Wright. He already threw him under the bus, but now he'll have to run over him a few times. I wonder how the black community will like that one?

I just hope the McCain team has the stones for this attack if they're going to start it. No doubt some idiot Republicans will jump on his back for his 'racism' as well and he's going to have to blow right past them and just keep pounding it.

With the WaPo fretting over the 'racism' of the Franklin Raines commercial coming out before the Jim Johnson ad, you just know they're going to label McCain the most racist politican in history.

It ain't "racism" if he uses Ayers and Rezco also.
Shows a pattern of being associated with people who are criminal and/or hate America.
I think people really need to THINK about this.
And SEE IT.

re: #56 Nevergiveup
Great post and link, thanks!

they should run this video running on a continous loop for the next 5-6 weeks.

re: #75 Peter Verkooijen

Right, leading back to the housing crisis, Obama being the #2 recipient of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac campaign contributions. Start with these dubious connections, but tie them back to issues that matter, including housing and education.

If you can't get any traction with Raines, Gorelick, etc. - and that's happening today - you aren't going to get traction out of Annenberg. It's ancient history to most people.

Associations = Federal Appointments, like Judges, Prosecutors, Ambassadors, etc.

Associations are more than fair game.

I envision a series of commercials entitled "This Is". The commercials should introduce the American public to each of the numerous associates that Sen. 0bama will bring with him to the White House. There could be "This is the Rev. Wright", "This is Bill Ayers", "This is Tony Rezko", "This is ACORN" and "This is Franklin Raines".

So i'm talking to a lefty co-worker the othre day (reason ,,, my boss frowns upon me banging my head on the floor, and that was the closest i could get)

So anyway, we're talking about Ayers. The co-worker gives me "Obama can't be blamed for something that happened when he was 8"

So I said "you know, you're right. I think you and I should go hang out with Charles Manson"

it got very quiet in the room!

re: #45 debutaunt

The quality of being comfortable in your own skin is so very appealing to me.

And look at the Messiahs running mate. Slow Joe Biden with the fake teeth and Chia head bother me more than the fake accents. Whatever happened to growing old gracefully. Slow Joe is a narcissist squared. That scares the scat out of me.

re: #74 funky chicken

They already do. It's the undecided who need convincing otherwise.

AD:

Play that introduction...then play the G.d damn America, chickens coming home to roost, then say
Obama listened to this man for 20 years.
Is this the kind of council you want your President to seek?

re: #91 Bill Dalasio

Email McCain campaign HQ stat

re: #64 MrSnuggles
Yep, you're absolutely correct about that.
As I said before, I really think it's a HUGE mistake for McCain to take this road, I really do.He needs to hit Americans with how bad Obama would be as President, not because of his associations (on which the MSM has already given him a pass) but because of his lack of ANY experience whatsovever to be POTUS and because of his paucity of plans for America, other than tax, tax, tax.
That will hit the American voter MUCH HARDER than any attacks on Obama's associatons with other people.

re: #91 Bill Dalasio

I envision a series of commercials entitled "This Is". The commercials should introduce the American public to each of the numerous associates that Sen. 0bama will bring with him to the White House. There could be "This is the Rev. Wright", "This is Bill Ayers", "This is Tony Rezko", "This is ACORN" and "This is Franklin Raines".

And then maybe they could do a "This Is" about Obama, but it would mostly be just blank and silence, with the only vocal being the word "Present" over and over again.

re: #91 Bill Dalasio

I envision a series of commercials entitled "This Is". The commercials should introduce the American public to each of the numerous associates that Sen. 0bama will bring with him to the White House. There could be "This is the Rev. Wright", "This is Bill Ayers", "This is Tony Rezko", "This is ACORN" and "This is Franklin Raines".

* * *
I like it. Also, for latino mafia,

"This is Jorge Ramos"--who I think is the mexican voice-over artiste lumping Rush Limbaugh and McCain together in yesterday's Obama attack ad. (Jorge Ramos is a leftist openborders sindicated columnist of the New York Times' syndicate, published also by the WashPost and appearing on leftist tv stations)

re: #71 itellu3times
Amen.

re: #88 Irene NYC

If you can't get any traction with Raines, Gorelick, etc. - and that's happening today - you aren't going to get traction out of Annenberg. It's ancient history to most people.

Obama is denying Raines was ever an advisor. That denial seems to be taking hold. By focusing solely on Raines, McCain's Advice ad appears to be backfiring.

The McCain campaign shouldn't chase after the scandal of the day. They should connect the dots, construct the entire narrative.

re: #72 realwest

Real, I agree with you, all these issues are being and will be addressed, no reason to give him a pass on the Wright associations though. It's a connect the dots exercise for the uninformed and or the forgetful.

re: #92 sattv4u2

So i'm talking to a lefty co-worker the othre day (reason ,,, my boss frowns upon me banging my head on the floor, and that was the closest i could get)

So anyway, we're talking about Ayers. The co-worker gives me "Obama can't be blamed for something that happened when he was 8"

So I said "you know, you're right. I think you and I should go hang out with Charles Manson"

it got very quiet in the room!

* * *
Nice thinking! Great parallel. Good for you!

re: #92 sattv4u2

So i'm talking to a lefty co-worker the othre day (reason ,,, my boss frowns upon me banging my head on the floor, and that was the closest i could get)

So anyway, we're talking about Ayers. The co-worker gives me "Obama can't be blamed for something that happened when he was 8"

So I said "you know, you're right. I think you and I should go hang out with Charles Manson"

it got very quiet in the room!

What are you gonna get conjugal passes to visit old Charlie?
// sometimes I just can't help myself

re: #92 sattv4u2

So i'm talking to a lefty co-worker the othre day (reason ,,, my boss frowns upon me banging my head on the floor, and that was the closest i could get)

So anyway, we're talking about Ayers. The co-worker gives me "Obama can't be blamed for something that happened when he was 8"

So I said "you know, you're right. I think you and I should go hang out with Charles Manson"

it got very quiet in the room!

That should be an ad
With a voice over at the end saying:
Is there a time limit over which it is consider ok to associated yourself with an unrepentant terrorist who bombed the Pentagon?

re: #97 realwest

I think your comment has a lot of merit. However, the US is already divided in to 2 camps, the Obama and McCain, (and those are firm and not much shifting is going to happen there). We are really fighting over something like 5-8% of the electorate.

re: #97 realwest

Yep, you're absolutely correct about that.
As I said before, I really think it's a HUGE mistake for McCain to take this road, I really do.He needs to hit Americans with how bad Obama would be as President, not because of his associations (on which the MSM has already given him a pass) but because of his lack of ANY experience whatsovever to be POTUS and because of his paucity of plans for America, other than tax, tax, tax.
That will hit the American voter MUCH HARDER than any attacks on Obama's associatons with other people.

Real

That didn't work out so well for Hillary.
What makes you think it will work out for McCain?
The American people know he is inexperienced...they do not care!
They want CHANGE.

re: #68 Irene NYC

Come ON, rawmuse. Everyone knows that The One acquired that accent in Indonesia.
;)

You can't get much further south than that. That is WAY more south than Georgia and Alabama and Mississippi.

Spare Change and Loose Change

G-d help us if they win!

Has anyone heard about Obama dumping Biden?

re: #97 realwest

its a huge mistake not to go this way.

re: #106 rawmuse

I think your comment has a lot of merit. However, the US is already divided in to 2 camps, the Obama and McCain, (and those are firm and not much shifting is going to happen there). We are really fighting over something like 5-8% of the electorate.

I think that is essentially true. But what boggles my mind is what the hell are those 5-8% thinking about?

The Wright association is dead. It's tired. It's lost it's impact. Move on.

They should pay attention to Saul Alinsky, Obama's mentor in community organization.

I think the Big Three - Ayers, Rezko, and Wright - all together are most effective, and avoids screams of "racism." Just put each of them at their finest moment up on the screen - Pentagon attack, Rezko behind bars, Wright screaming God---- America - and then the usual taglines "Ready to Exercise Poor Judgment? Yes. Ready to Lead? No." The less commentary, the better, in that kind of ad.

I like to remind my Democratic friends who cite the "judgment" issue that it's a lot like the Republican line about that they complained about in 2000 - sure, he might not be your first choice for President, but he knew how to pick good advisers, so everything would be OK In 2008, we're told Obama might not be experienced, but he has good judgment, so everything will be OK. If the first is a suspicious statement to them, the second should be too. It never is.

re: #80 kynna

The Obama has never actually divorced from Wright. That was all for public consumption. Guaranteed.

re: #97 realwest

Yep, you're absolutely correct about that.
As I said before, I really think it's a HUGE mistake for McCain to take this road, I really do.He needs to hit Americans with how bad Obama would be as President, not because of his associations (on which the MSM has already given him a pass) but because of his lack of ANY experience whatsovever to be POTUS and because of his paucity of plans for America, other than tax, tax, tax.
That will hit the American voter MUCH HARDER than any attacks on Obama's associatons with other people.

* * *
Realwest -- it's not a matter of associations, but JUDGMENT.

If you choose terrorists as friends, colleagues, mentors, you ELECT terrorists and approve their message.

re: #80 kynna
Please see my #27 - this is a horrible tact for McCain to take - it distracts the public from the issues that the Public cares about and let's Obama get away with his inexperience, his lack of any kind of foreign or domestic economic program and his tax tax tax ideas.

re: #112 Baelzar

Alinsky is really dead. Has been for 36 years.

re: #117 neocon hippie

Alinsky is really dead. Has been for 36 years.

he is ? did he leave me anything in his will?

re: #116 realwest

Please see my #27 - this is a horrible tact for McCain to take - it distracts the public from the issues that the Public cares about and let's Obama get away with his inexperience, his lack of any kind of foreign or domestic economic program and his tax tax tax ideas.

I will say a hard hitting ad on him letting the tax cuts expire would be useful.
Explain exactly how much in each bracket it will cost you

re: #26 little boomer

I noticed that, I also notice how "street" he tries to act. There is a shot of him walking up to some head of state and he raises his hand up in the air and swoops it down to make the handshake, very un-professional.

Less Wright, more Ayers. . .

re: #117 neocon hippie

Alinsky is really dead. Has been for 36 years.

So that means he is registered to vote in Chicago?

re: #101 Peter Verkooijen

Obama is denying Raines was ever an advisor. That denial seems to be taking hold. By focusing solely on Raines, McCain's Advice ad appears to be backfiring.

The McCain campaign shouldn't chase after the scandal of the day. They should connect the dots, construct the entire narrative.

* * *
Raines' collecting $90 million at Fannie Mae, while presiding over audits that found fraud, is not a scandal of just one day.

Democrat corruption is continual self dealing, crooked schemes, tax evasion by democrats charged with OVERSIGHT and REAL RESPONSIBILITIES.

Mayor Palin didn't commit fraud, she cleaned house, while Obama's friends & colleagues and fellow democrats STOLE millions over many years, after having gamed the system.

Gallup has Obama reaching 50 today (50-44).

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Obama 48-47; and Hotline has Obama 45-44.

Can someone explain to me this Gallup surge for Obama?

"So anyway, we're talking about Ayers. The co-worker gives me "Obama can't be blamed for something that happened when he was 8"

TypicalWhitey

turn that line with a Republican saying it and the left becomes rabid and frothing at the mouth

re: #82 Typicalwhitey
I really hate to disagree with you Typicalwhitey, but as I said in # 27, this tactic is gonna be bad for McCain. The damn MSM has already given Obama a pass on these associations - don't you remember how quickly Wright was swept under the rug by the MSM?
Americans care about pocketbook and wallet issues, not whether or not Obama was "associated" with crackpots and anarchists and those are PRECISELY the kind of "negative ads" that poll after poll keeps saying the American electorate is sick of hearing.

re: #120 DoubleU

I noticed that, I also notice how "street" he tries to act. There is a shot of him walking up to some head of state and he raises his hand up in the air and swoops it down to make the handshake, very un-professional.

Sucka don't wanna be played for no fool. You dig?

/

re: #101 Peter Verkooijen

Obama is denying Raines was ever an advisor. That denial seems to be taking hold. By focusing solely on Raines, McCain's Advice ad appears to be backfiring.

The McCain campaign shouldn't chase after the scandal of the day. They should connect the dots, construct the entire narrative.

Honestly, Peter, I've never seen that level of detail take hold in any campaign I've ever worked on. The general rule of thumb is if it can't be said in 15 words or less, you haven't got a prayer. And this narrative is very complicated.

re: #107 Typicalwhitey

Real

That didn't work out so well for Hillary.
What makes you think it will work out for McCain?
The American people know he is inexperienced...they do not care!
They want CHANGE.

Well, actually the Democratic primary voters, not the American people, wanted him, despite inexperience. Sure, inexperience didn't work for Hillary, but in a real election, the charge might stick.

I'd like another international crisis before the election, please. Preferably on October 31st or so.

re: #115 alegrias

Realwest -- it's not a matter of associations, but JUDGMENT ...

Beyond that, the connections reveal who Obama really is, a socialist radical with an acquired identity and carefully constructed public image.

Has anyone ever looking into the fact that Barry Soetero went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport when he was in his 20's? What, where, why, with whom?

Pakistan would not have been on my list of the 10 best places to visit...back then or now for that matter.

re: #89 Syrah

THIS is what scares hell out of me if this jerk is elected.

re: #112 Baelzar

The Wright association is dead. It's tired. It's lost it's impact. Move on.

They should pay attention to Saul Alinsky, Obama's mentor in community organization.

* * *
Saul Alinsky is probably really dead.

Plus there's no video, DVD or you-tubes of Alinsky ranting against America.

re: #132 yesandno

Has anyone ever looking into the fact that Barry Soetero went to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport when he was in his 20's? What, where, why, with whom?

Pakistan would not have been on my list of the 10 best places to visit...back then or now for that matter.

Did he stay at the Marriott?

re: #117 neocon hippie

Unfortunately, his ideas live on.

re: #117 neocon hippie

Alinsky is really dead. Has been for 36 years.

L. DAVID ALINSKY (son of you know who)

Barack Obama's training in Chicago by the great community organizers is showing its effectiveness. It is an amazingly powerful format, and the method of my late father always works to get the message out and get the supporters on board. When executed meticulously and thoughtfully, it is a powerful strategy for initiating change and making it really happen. Obama learned his lesson well.

Alinsky may be dead, but the spirit lives on.....
in Obama.

re: #137 Dianna

Unfortunately, his ideas live on.

So does his son.

re: #123 alegrias

* * *
Raines' collecting $90 million at Fannie Mae, while presiding over audits that found fraud, is not a scandal of just one day.

Democrat corruption is continual self dealing, crooked schemes, tax evasion by democrats charged with OVERSIGHT and REAL RESPONSIBILITIES.

Mayor Palin didn't commit fraud, she cleaned house, while Obama's friends & colleagues and fellow democrats STOLE millions over many years, after having gamed the system.

Sure, but by putting everything on the vague Raines-Obama connection, the McCain campaign gave Obamatons + MSM an opening to scream LIAR, LIAR!

re: #124 SouthAmericanWay

Gallup has Obama reaching 50 today (50-44).

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Obama 48-47; and Hotline has Obama 45-44.

Can someone explain to me this Gallup surge for Obama?

Gallup is daily, and East Coast I believe...tends to get more Democrats.

re: #126 realwest

And I hate to disagree with you, realwest, but most Americans pay no attention to any of this stuff until after the conventions, so anything from before them is fair game to bring up again. Yes, the MSM has given Obama a pass on his associations, but the voters deserve a chance to see them and make their own judgments.

"Where's he at?" What the hell? Speak english you nincompoop!

re: #124 SouthAmericanWay

Gallup has Obama reaching 50 today (50-44).

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Obama 48-47; and Hotline has Obama 45-44.

Can someone explain to me this Gallup surge for Obama?

Yes, they changed their population, weighting more democrats to get those numbers. Tricky, eh? McCain's up in almost every demographic this week.

"Listens to my wife complain about me."

Hey, Barry, what doesn't she complain about?

re: #107 Typicalwhitey

That didn't work out so well for Hillary.
What makes you think it will work out for McCain?
The American people know he is inexperienced...they do not care!
They want CHANGE.

McCain should learn from Hillary's mistakes. What enabled her to win those late states in the primary? She hit hard on both fronts - Obama's associations and his lack of experience.

Both barrel's John!

re: #126 realwest

I really hate to disagree with you Typicalwhitey, but as I said in # 27, this tactic is gonna be bad for McCain. The damn MSM has already given Obama a pass on these associations - don't you remember how quickly Wright was swept under the rug by the MSM?
Americans care about pocketbook and wallet issues, not whether or not Obama was "associated" with crackpots and anarchists and those are PRECISELY the kind of "negative ads" that poll after poll keeps saying the American electorate is sick of hearing.

They may be saying it.
But negative ads work.
Fact of life real.
Obama keeps saying that Bush=McCain and IT IS STICKING!
He should produce all kinds of ads, but he should also use Ayers, Wright etc.

Doesn't matter if the MSM sweep it under the rug.
The American public will see it in paid ADS>
It will work imo.

re: #135 alegrias

* * *
Saul Alinsky is probably really dead.

Plus there's no video, DVD or you-tubes of Alinsky ranting against America.

Alinsky died in 1972. Obama never met him. It's an academic issue. Hillary Clinton was an Alinsky disciple as well.

re: #126 realwest

I really hate to disagree with you Typicalwhitey, but as I said in # 27, this tactic is gonna be bad for McCain. The damn MSM has already given Obama a pass on these associations - don't you remember how quickly Wright was swept under the rug by the MSM?
Americans care about pocketbook and wallet issues, not whether or not Obama was "associated" with crackpots and anarchists and those are PRECISELY the kind of "negative ads" that poll after poll keeps saying the American electorate is sick of hearing.

* * *
Negative ads work.

SOME of the American public may not like them, but if you can't handle the truth, take a Prozac.

Politics ain't bean bag. And democrats will plot to keep US Troops in Iraq longer than they have to be there, to help Obama look heroic brining them home on Obama's watch, God Forbid.

re: #142 yesandno

All three are daily tracking polls. I repeat my question.

re: #112 Baelzar
have to disagree with you. while I believe that the Saul Alinsky connection should be used, and is terribly important, its going to go right over the heads of those that are just tuning in at this point or are undecided.

The Wright issue is so damning and easy to understand because its so visual and basic. its not a tired issue to everyone.

Realwest, I think the Wright thing is very powerful, and will have to be used, unfortunately. My guess is that the campaign tried to stay on the issues, which in a sane election would be enough to sink Obama....but it didn't.

My mom, who gets way too much of her information from Oprah, was just horrified by the Wright videos, and remains so. It's effective in opening some eyes, at least in my test study of one. :-)

re: #146 ploome hineni

Are you kidding?Sarah Palin has received tougher questions and scrutiny from the msm.

re: #102 vagabond trader
Yeah I understand how WE feel about this, but remember that the MSM has already given Obama a pass on Rev Wright. Even though they did it to help Obama beat Clinton, they aren't going to back track on that now.
Connect the ECONOMIC DOTS (including the folks previously involved with ripping off Fannie and Freddie).
Connect the lack of experience for being POTUS and Russia/Hugo Chavez.
Connect the lack of ANY coherent economic plan and the fact that by letting the Bush tax cuts lapse, folks will be paying more taxes.
Don't go swinging at Obama for crap the MSM has already given him a pass on!

Southamerican ways. Not sure if this will help explain the polls, but here goes.....It boils down to how many Dems, Rep., and Indies they poll. Saw last week somewhere, it escapes me where, that when McCain supposedly had the lead they polled slightly more Reps. than usual. Starting last week they increased Dems. cut Reps. and Indies. They tweek these polls to show what they want. I wouldn't panic too much. Look instead at the State by State electoral maps. McCain is doing pretty well. Just hang in there!

re: #76 dizzy_from_the_spin

pardon the thread drift but an interesting comment by Jim T in regards to the article on Jamie Gorelick from the website American Thinker.....

"At an "American Constitution Society" national convention in June, Gorelick was part of a panel and openly speculated on the possibility that she might be appointed Attorney General of the US if Obama is elected.
Video of session is here: [Link: www.acslaw.org...]
Personally I see neither hope nor change in Obama.
Posted by: Jim T. | September 19, 2008 07:42 AM"......

hmmmmm

that could explain Hillary's campaigning for The One, I suppose.

Many Americans have still not seen these Wright sermons. They are very damning.

re: #154 funky chicken

Realwest, I think the Wright thing is very powerful, and will have to be used, unfortunately. My guess is that the campaign tried to stay on the issues, which in a sane election would be enough to sink Obama....but it didn't.

My mom, who gets way too much of her information from Oprah, was just horrified by the Wright videos, and remains so. It's effective in opening some eyes, at least in my test study of one. :-)

People need to be REMINDED of Wright, Ayers etc.
It is CRUNCH TIME.
Leave it all on the field, win or lose.

Reminds me of an obit I saw once...
I have lived my life so that when I die, used up and broken down, I will slide sideways into my grave, glass of champagne in one hand, chocolate in the other, screaming.....DAMN what a ride!

This is McCains last chance....Slide sideways Big Mac!

re: #140 Peter Verkooijen

Sure, but by putting everything on the vague Raines-Obama connection, the McCain campaign gave Obamatons + MSM an opening to scream LIAR, LIAR!

* * *
Obama + Raines (Fannie Mae CEO) + Jim Johnson (Fannie Mae CEO) is not vague, it's a pattern.

Plus there's Dodd, Biden, Pelosi, Rangel, taking sweetheart mortgage deals and campaign contributions from Democrat-run government entities.

Sorry, it's corrupt and they're democrats doing deals amongst democrats, for democrats.

re: #124 SouthAmericanWay

Gallup has Obama reaching 50 today (50-44).

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Obama 48-47; and Hotline has Obama 45-44.

Can someone explain to me this Gallup surge for Obama?

This is wizbang's take on it:Your text to link.... I don't think his analysis is right, but I suppose it's a possible answer.

re: #156 realwest

Let's face it, they will continue to give the lightworker a pass. Hell, he could stand at the podium and do a reading from marx and they'd get a leg tingle..Oh wait, that's already been done.

re: #152 SouthAmericanWay

All three are daily tracking polls. I repeat my question.

Weighting calculations will vary between companies, as will other aspects of the methodology. Even such things as question order and the accent of the telephone interviewer can bias responses.

It is not a precise science. It is just educated guessing.

re: #129 ploome hineni

From The Audacity of Hope:
"In the history of these (African people's) struggles, I was able to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death; rather, it was an active, palpable agent in the world." (p. 207)

Exactly why he joined the church. Stred cred. The church was an active, palpable agent in Chicago politics. It's all politics folks. Joined and used Wright for politics. Unjoined and dissed Wright for politics. Political expediency. He maintains his "faith" for stred cred but disses the Church that brought him to it.

re: #106 rawmuse
I agree (although I think it's more like 10%) but that's why I've said what I've said: hit the "independents" where they live: taxes, no economic plan, no ability to deal with Russia, no experience to be POTUS or CiC.
All of this Wright, Ayers et.al. is important to US, here at LGF - most voters will just get glassy eyed about it and the MSM (if only to cover their own asses) will ROAST McCain over this shit.

re: #144 Gusbenz

"Where's he at?" What the hell? Speak english you nincompoop!

* * *
He's going to change the old way of speaking English.

re: #124 SouthAmericanWay

Gallup has Obama reaching 50 today (50-44).

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Obama 48-47; and Hotline has Obama 45-44.

Can someone explain to me this Gallup surge for Obama?

Simply put, the Gallup polls are notoriously volatile, and in that respect, not very trustworthy.

Apart from that bit, the other numbers are fairly encouraging, actually. Not only is a one-point difference in polling minimal, and likely statistically meaningless, but the polls generally tend to skew towards Democrats, meaning the "reality" is that McCain could still be ahead.

Show me your friends and what they are doing and I'll have a very good idea what you are doing. Something every mother knows to keep her kids out of trouble.

McCain has been sliding in the polls lately because some of his ads are downright lies (I heard that on Fox last night). McCain needs to watch his step - deceit will not win this election. Stick to the facts.

re: #146 ploome hineni

why has NO ONE mentioned Alinsky to Obama?

Because Obama's Marxism won't fit into the attention span of the average American voter, 30 seconds.

Because you have to research, read and make judgements.

Because doesn't care as long as a candidate spouts the "right" bullcrap. Never mind the fate of the press in Marxist governments.

Because it's all "association" and we can't condemn someone for their 'associations."

Never mind in this case it's a lifelong indoctrination, with no sign the candidate has ever rejected any of it.

All the McCain campain needs to do is to contrast the Right Stuff with the Wright Stuff.

re: #76 dizzy_from_the_spin

re: thread drift to Jamie Gorelick

If appointed AG under Obama, she'll set up new walls between intelligence agencies in order to protect the privacy of terrorists. They will be guaranteed their "rights" vs. protecting Americans first.

So called church should lose its tax exempt status. Just like Dems threatened the Jewish orgs with for inviting Sarah Palin to the UN protests.

Ahem.
Is it not possible that there won't be any such ads - that this is something which a journo is speculating about, based on McCain hammering the Fred&Fanny associations B0 has?

It could also be a calculated threat to B0 to watch it - put into play by this advisor to the McCain campaign ...

I thin McCain has beeen too clever until now in his ads to convert to doung it ugly.

Lets see how the B0 campaign reacts - that is probably what McCain is really after: see them howl and rant about non-existent ads ...

re: #156 realwest

Yeah I understand how WE feel about this, but remember that the MSM has already given Obama a pass on Rev Wright. Even though they did it to help Obama beat Clinton, they aren't going to back track on that now.
Connect the ECONOMIC DOTS (including the folks previously involved with ripping off Fannie and Freddie).
Connect the lack of experience for being POTUS and Russia/Hugo Chavez.
Connect the lack of ANY coherent economic plan and the fact that by letting the Bush tax cuts lapse, folks will be paying more taxes.
Don't go swinging at Obama for crap the MSM has already given him a pass on!

* * *
Realwest SIR,
The MSM gave Kerry a pass too, but THROBBING MEMO, though old news, was a negative FACT that wouldn't go away, thanks to Charles Johnson.

Please don't give the MSM the final word on what gets reported.

Obama's judgment is to go with marxists, racists, violent anti-American haters FIRST. That is a fact.

re: #14 merrytexas

Why does Obama's fake Southern drawl bother me so much when he uses it?

It's his faux black accent for black audiences. It's so inauthentic he can't get it right. Obama has at least 3 different accents I've heard. He also has a folksy accent for the white blue collar types and has is more authentic accent for the rest of us.

He's been playing roles for so long, I don't know if he can talk like he used to at Harvard Law. I know that almost all politicians drop their gs. I can't stand that it either. It's patronizing, but Obama is the worst of the bunch.

re: #153 alien_mind

Did Obama ever even meet Alinsky?

Assuming not, where is the scandal of association?

This is a weak "angle" anyway, as to the best of my knowledge Alinksy wasn't a criminal or terrorist.

Where as with Wright, the "God Damn America" speaks for itself, as does Ayers trampling on an American flag.

re: #175 yma o hyd

Look it doesn't matter whether McCain does it or not.

The 527's WILL>

re: #177 Dalibama

It's his faux black accent for black audiences. It's so inauthentic he can't get it right. Obama has at least 3 different accents I've heard. He also has a folksy accent for the white blue collar types and has is more authentic accent for the rest of us.

He's been playing roles for so long, I don't know if he can talk like he used to at Harvard Law. I know that almost all politicians drop their gs. I can't stand that it either. It's patronizing, but Obama is the worst of the bunch.

"Dis here f***er say anything, anything, to get what he want. See? He was never so black till he become a Chicago politician. See what I'm sayin'? If he thought bein', oh, I don't know, Irish, and a midget, Irish midget, would help him become the president, then he'd campaign just like a f***in' leprechaun."

re: #178 looking closely

Nope. Alinsky died in 1972.

Hillary met him, however.

I'm not sure which of the McCain's ads are lies, petty sometimes, but lies? I do know that Obama has lied in his ads, including a Spanish language ad linking McCain, and Rush Limbaugh as on the same side on illegal immigration. I personally wish they were because I agree with Rush on this, but that ad is a blatant lie.

re: #152 SouthAmericanWay My guess is that McCain hasn't been effective in sticking the ecomomic mess to Obama and particularly to Obama's advisors plus McCain has done a very POOR job in tying in Obama's tax, tax, tax strategy nor his lack of experience in dealing with a dangerous world, especially with Russia and Iran.

re: #181 neocon hippie

Nope. Alinsky died in 1972.

Hillary met him, however.

Hillary wrote her thesis about him.

re: #178 looking closely

Did Obama ever even meet Alinsky?

Assuming not, where is the scandal of association?

This is a weak "angle" anyway, as to the best of my knowledge Alinksy wasn't a criminal or terrorist.

Where as with Wright, the "God Damn America" speaks for itself, as does Ayers trampling on an American flag.

Alinsky died in 1972, 12 years or so before Obama became a community organizer. He worked with some of Alinsky's disciples, though. Not a strong link in my opinion.

Listen, anyone with the mistaken notion that the Obama is a nice educated caring person had best be disabused of them. Mac learned the hard way when he paired up on a bill with him. The public needs the unvarnished tough love truth.

re: #185 arethusa

Alinsky died in 1972, 12 years or so before Obama became a community organizer. He worked with some of Alinsky's disciples, though. Not a strong link in my opinion.

By its self no.
But everyone, and everything in BHO's life is hard left.

re: #179 Typicalwhitey

Look it doesn't matter whether McCain does it or not.

The 527's WILL>

Fine - it needs to be done, but at arms' length from McCain.
I do believe the McCain campaign is savvy enough to know exactly how to do this!

re: #161 alegrias

Obama + Raines (Fannie Mae CEO) + Jim Johnson (Fannie Mae CEO) is not vague, it's a pattern. ...

Obama denied Raines was an advisor, MSM accepted that denial, so that's where the pattern breaks down.

Of course there's plenty of proof the Dems were in the pocket of Fannie and Freddie, but the Advice ad made a weak case.

Maybe McCain is just floating Wright out there trying to make Barry do something stupid....

re: #185 arethusa

Alinsky died in 1972, 12 years or so before Obama became a community organizer. He worked with some of Alinsky's disciples, though. Not a strong link in my opinion.

I don't have time for better research, but here is a quickie link.
http://catholiccitizens.org/news/contentview.asp?c =47897

re: #182 nigella

I'm not sure which of the McCain's ads are lies, petty sometimes, but lies? I do know that Obama has lied in his ads, including a Spanish language ad linking McCain, and Rush Limbaugh as on the same side on illegal immigration. I personally wish they were because I agree with Rush on this, but that ad is a blatant lie.

McCain has not lied in his ads - its the B0 campaign who screams after very ad that these are lies - and then they have to retract when some journos, trying to nail the lie, find out that McCain spoke the truth.

This has been going on since the conventions - its actually quite funny, but rest assured, McCain has not lied!

re: #143 wrenchwench
I'd ordninarily agree with you on that, but every damn time McCain does an ad about Barry on issues on which the MSM has already given him a pass, the MSM will truly blunt any message the independent voters may otherwise get from those ads.

And, for the last time, then I'm gonna shut up about this, people out here at LGF are FAR better informed and up to speed on Wright, Ayers, Annenburg and all the rest and care passionately about those issues than most of the American voters - and historically, except in time of DECLARED WAR, history shows us over and over again, American voters will vote on the issues that affect their wallets most directly.
Why give the MSM the opportunity to debunk McCain's ads (cause they HAVE TO; they debunked them on Hillary) on issues WE care so passionately about, instead of hitting Obama where his weakness is truly undeniable, even by the MSM?!

re: #190 skree

Maybe McCain is just floating Wright out there trying to make Barry do something stupid....

You figure, somewhere, somebody has a video of Barry sitting in one of Wright's pews listening to "God Damn the US of KKK-A".

re: #190 skree

Maybe McCain is just floating Wright out there trying to make Barry do something stupid....

My thought precisely!

re: #151 alegrias

* * *
[snip] . . . And democrats will plot to keep US Troops in Iraq longer than they have to be there, to help Obama look heroic brining them home on Obama's watch, God Forbid.

President Bush has already specified what troop withdrawals will occur before he leaves office, so I don't think there's too much room for Democratic maneuvering.

You who think this could be a trap by McCain could be right.It could cause Barry to use maybe Sarah's Pentecostal Religion in an ad and then McCain could call him out for being anti-Religion. Would be great if thats' true.

Another ad could show clips of the Obama and his constant negativity. This is a guy who can never utter the words USA without saying something critical and downright mean. Hope indeed.

What is that white milky stuff around Obama's mouth? Oh! Its little J Wrights.

re: #190 skree

Maybe McCain is just floating Wright out there trying to make Barry do something stupid....

And what would that be?

Obama has already responded to the Wright scandal, tossing Wright under the proverbial bus.

Short of video footage of Obama nodding his head and yelling "Amen" when Wright screams "God Damn America" I don't see how bringing it up again at this point is going to change anything.

If the McCain campaign is going to re-open this, it has to be in the context of ALL of Obama's sleazy connections, including Rezko, Wright, and Ayers.

The fact that Obama got extra help purchasing his home from Rezko seems particularly "ripe" for discussion now that Rezko has been convicted, and there is so much attention being paid to corruption in the mortgage business.

most americans will not like the idea of obama spending 20 yrs w/ this rabid hater who feels so comfortable screaming "god damn america,"

this vile man was his pastor and mentor. obama chose him.

re: #183 realwest

My guess is that McCain hasn't been effective in sticking the ecomomic mess to Obama and particularly to Obama's advisors plus McCain has done a very POOR job in tying in Obama's tax, tax, tax strategy nor his lack of experience in dealing with a dangerous world, especially with Russia and Iran.

Republicans are getting blamed for the economic crisis, which is BS, and McCain is not pushing back effectively enough. Populist platitudes alone won't do it.

I don't understand why McCain doesn't come out with the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, video of McCain on the Senate floor in May 2006:

Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae's regulator reported that the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.

The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae's former chief executive officer, OFHEO's report shows that over half of Mr. Raines' compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac. ...

If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole. ...

re: #196 JustMyView

As if such trivial details would keep such an arrogant novice from attempting to interfere.

re: #202 Peter Verkooijen
Precisely so. And well said.

re: #197 nigella

You who think this could be a trap by McCain could be right.It could cause Barry to use maybe Sarah's Pentecostal Religion in an ad and then McCain could call him out for being anti-Religion. Would be great if thats' true.

A compare and contrast ad with footage of Obama's church (ie Wright) and Palin's would probably be pretty hilarious.

The tag line would be "whose Church do you want in the White House"?

Would be pretty biting, though obviously not going to happen.

re: #189 Peter Verkooijen

Obama denied Raines was an advisor, MSM accepted that denial, so that's where the pattern breaks down.

Of course there's plenty of proof the Dems were in the pocket of Fannie and Freddie, but the Advice ad made a weak case.

It did. And the MSM accepted the denial because a) they wanted to and b) there was no there there. There was only one source for that story (and two mentions referring back, all in the WaPo IIRC) and although it was supposedly from Raines himself, even taken at face value the fact that he got a few phone calls from "the Obama campaign" (at what level?) wouldn't make him an advisor to the candidate. Whether he is or was, I don't know but until and unless there's a way to make that accusation stick, it's best left alone.

The Wright and Ayers and Rezko connections, OTOH, are incontrovertible and in any sane society would be the kiss of death. They aren't trivial. They go to the heart of who BHO really is and what he wants America to be. Not a pretty picture.

re: #170 Racer X

McCain has been sliding in the polls lately because some of his ads are downright lies (I heard that on Fox last night). McCain needs to watch his step - deceit will not win this election. Stick to the facts.

Their not really lies, but they give the Obamatons/MSM enough of an opening to push the LIAR meme.

re: #157 nigella

Thanks, nigella!

re: #80 kynna

This is going to take some real finesse. And the media going to cry 'RACISM' so loud it might be impossible understand the real message.

The racism ship has sailed, sunk, and been salvaged and scrapped. Teleprompter Jesus is running almost exclusively on race, and anyone who was going to buy the racism argument long ago signed on for his legion of in your face creepy toddlers.

McCain is not just running against Obama. He is also running against the media. When all the major sources of information are in the other camp, pious and positive does not get it done. You must go negative.

I understand that some of you wish for a campaign that is based on sober and principled statements of beliefs and issues. That milieu may exist somewhere, but not in the face of today's win-at-any-cost left

re: #196 JustMyView

President Bush has already specified what troop withdrawals will occur before he leaves office, so I don't think there's too much room for Democratic maneuvering.

Barring intimidation and interference from rouge politicians meeting with Iraqi Foreign Ministers.

re: #206 Lynn B.

It did. And the MSM accepted the denial because a) they wanted to and b) there was no there there. There was only one source for that story (and two mentions referring back, all in the WaPo IIRC) and although it was supposedly from Raines himself, even taken at face value the fact that he got a few phone calls from "the Obama campaign" (at what level?) wouldn't make him an advisor to the candidate. Whether he is or was, I don't know but until and unless there's a way to make that accusation stick, it's best left alone.

The Wright and Ayers and Rezko connections, OTOH, are incontrovertible and in any sane society would be the kiss of death. They aren't trivial. They go to the heart of who BHO really is and what he wants America to be. Not a pretty picture.

Here is the WaPo factcheck on the Raines advice ad. They don't give it much credibility.

re: #207 Peter Verkooijen

Their not really lies, but they give the Obamatons/MSM enough of an opening to push the LIAR meme.

They're not really lies...

/ PIMF. Getting some breakfast + coffee...

re: #190 skree

Maybe McCain is just floating Wright out there trying to make Barry do something stupid....

From the most recent ads, I'd say McCain is just floating stupid right now.
At least I don't see the logic in what he's doing.

If the MSM (or anybody) can disprove ONE ad, it takes about ten to make up for that.

re: #200 looking closely

I'm thinking it could get Barry preemptively defending himself AND pull Wright back into the spotlight (and the news). What does it accomplish? It changes the dialogue.

I have no idea if any of this is the true motivation behind this. It al IMHO.

Well all y'all I'm sorry but I gotta go eat lunch and take some more meds. It's been grand and unusually informative for me today.
I hope you all have a GREAT DAY and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

re: #178 looking closely

Did Obama ever even meet Alinsky?

Assuming not, where is the scandal of association?

This is a weak "angle" anyway, as to the best of my knowledge Alinksy wasn't a criminal or terrorist.

Where as with Wright, the "God Damn America" speaks for itself, as does Ayers trampling on an American flag.

Basically I agree with you, that the Ayers and Wright associations on the surface appear much more immediately damning, and I am in favor of exposing these associations as much as possible to aid in the effort to keep this fool from the oval office.

However, while the Alinsky connection is not one of direct association, it does expose that Obama has covered up the fact that he's sympathetic to radical socialists. IMHO, this is the biggest most damning problem with the guy. At the end of the day, its the ideology that he would bring to the presidency that is the biggest issue for me.

I came in after mowing the lawn,
got halfway through the last post,
took a call from a political poller,
and guess what. I need a shower.
Multiple reasons.

re: #210 Syrah

Barring intimidation and interference from rouge politicians meeting with Iraqi Foreign Ministers.

Given that the troop withdrawal levels specified by President Bush are pretty modest (about 5,000, IIRC), they'd have to drop to zero.

McCain is seeing his poll numbers drop, at least for the time being, due to republican deregulation "let Wall Street take whatever extreme risks to make short-term profit that it wants" economics, which has placed us teetering on the edge of Depression, and since he has no ideas or plans to salvage the economy and protect and help ordinary Americans through this crucial point in history, since he doesn't care about ordinary, middle-class and poorer folks, but just wants to be President to feel good about himself, we now discover that he will try this diversionary tactic. I tell you before this campaign I didn't mind John McCain on a personal level too much, but now I've seen throughout this campaign what a petty, petulant, vindicative, mean old man he is, who has no qualms about destroying the lives of millions of ordinary Americans just to try to check off the final item on his "bucket list," i.e., to be elected President.

For the many of you folks on this site who vote only on the basis of what you think are policies to strengthen our national security, you should know that once McCain is elected, with Phil Gramm as our treasury secretary, several years more of these extreme, hyper-capitalistic economic policies is likely to lead to total economic decimation, which will incidentally also lead to decimation of our national security, as we won't have any resources for anything including that.

re: #216 alien_mind

Basically
However, while the Alinsky connection is not one of direct association, it does expose that Obama has covered up the fact that he's sympathetic to radical socialists. IMHO, this is the biggest most damning problem with the guy. At the end of the day, its the ideology that he would bring to the presidency that is the biggest issue for me.

Many, many All-American college students have read Alinsky's book. I think it's going to be pretty tough to paint Obama as a wild-eyed radical based on his connection to Alinsky's ideas. They're just not that radical.

Ok, I looked up Obama's bio and he never lived in the South. Hawaii, Indonesia, Los Angeles, Chicago...so where did he pick up his vocal affectation? He sounds like Martin Luther King sometimes, other times he sounds normal - which means this isn't natural. None of my friends in Chicago sound like that.

It's annoying.

re: #218 JustMyView

Given that the troop withdrawal levels specified by President Bush are pretty modest (about 5,000, IIRC), they'd have to drop to zero.

What you evaded spoke louder than what you have said.

re: #220 JustMyView

The books are brilliant. I have recommended them often.

re: #208 SouthAmericanWay

Thanks, nigella!

Thanks to the others, too.

Regarding the topic at hand, I do believe that McCain must attack, truthfully as always, but mercilessly. It is his only chance.

And Wright (Ayers-Rezko) is well known to us, but unknown to many voters. They must know that Obama's spiritual mentor is a man who says "God d*** America". They may well choose Hussein, but they must know the man they're choosing.

re: #152 SouthAmericanWay

All three are daily tracking polls. I repeat my question.

Daily Tracking at Gallup is registered voters. The Gallup over time is likely voters. Think Rasmussen is likely voters in daily tracking and over time.

re: #219 Mr. Sandman

Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:38 pm

No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 0

Man you sleepers are really, really good. Your post is just crap and you waited until you thought this thread was dead to post it.

re: #226 realwest

Rather verbose too. Guess they figure they have the one shot so better get it all out. lol.

re: #226 realwest

Man you sleepers are really, really good. Your post is just crap and you waited until you thought this thread was dead to post it.

Thanks, rw - Lizards never sleep :-))

Bottom line: If ANY Republican had a 20 year relationship with a racist pastor - that candidate's career would be over.

re: #219 Mr. Sandman

Now take a deep breath, I'm worried about ya.

Did he just thank God?
I'm appalled to see a politician mix religion in his campaign he must be one of those crazy right wing nut jobs

..........................Mr. Sarcastic

I do hope someone finally goes after Obama's very close relationship to the good Rev Wright. And all the other sleezebag friends Obama has. We all learned the lesson from Mom that "you are known by the friends you keep".

If Obama wins the White House who wants to bet on how long it will take to invite Rev Wright for a weekend visit.

re: #202 Peter Verkooijen

* * *
Thank you for this research showing McCain was on Fannie Mae's case LONG AGO.

re: #219 Mr. Sandman

With all due respect. You don't know what you're talking about. Really, you don't.

Wow, that's going to leave a mark!

Sniff, sniff.... what's that reek in here?

re: #219 Mr. Sandman

Go fuck yourself.

Mr. Sandman
Registered since: Jul 8, 2007 at 6:38 pm
No. of comments posted: 3
No. of links posted: 0

Not going to bother.
GAZE

re: #234 Russkilitlover

With all due respect. You don't know what you're talking about. Really, you don't.

That's being polite.

re: #225 yesandno

Daily Tracking at Gallup is registered voters. The Gallup over time is likely voters. Think Rasmussen is likely voters in daily tracking and over time.

The chart at the top of this page shows which surveys are which in terms of likely vs. registered voters.

re: #219 Mr. Sandman

* * *
Mr. Sandman, you are wrong on the facts.

It was criminal negligence on the part of democrats, since 1977's Community Reinvestment Act, forcing lending institutions to hand out "free money" that started this now complex mess.

Sorry, you can't pin capitalists down for democrat socialist engineering and attempting to re-write financial formulas to meet socialist ideals.

re: #237 MandyManners

Go fuck yourself.

Now now Mrs Manners! The polite thing to say would be "Go screw yourself."

Sincerely,

Admiring Fan

(Snicker)

re: #227 vagabond trader

Rather verbose too. Guess they figure they have the one shot so better get it all out. lol.

The "wall of text" method is an internet version of "carpet bombing".

re: #219 Mr. Sandman

For the many of you folks on this site who vote only on the basis of what you think are policies to strengthen our national security, you should know that once McCain is elected, with Phil Gramm as our treasury secretary, several years more of these extreme, hyper-capitalistic economic policies is likely to lead to total economic decimation, which will incidentally also lead to decimation of our national security, as we won't have any resources for anything including that.

Well, it sounds good to me.

Maybe you would like to check into the 1977 regulations instituted by Carter administraton --the Community Reinvestment Act.?
[Link: www.occ.treas.gov...]

Required by the Federal Government that the Banks expand their lending to the poor, etc. with threat of opposition by the Feds to any Banking applications for mergers or aquisitions if they didn't comply.

In addition, in 1995 it was strengthened. Banks had to get inventive to meet the requirements of the loans.

Remember, companies like Countrywide didn't have to have savings accounts to back up mortgages like Banks had to...so creativety took place where there was no responsibility for the results...sub-prime, secondary markets for mortages, ect.

In 2003 Bush tried to correct it...but the DEM's failed to see the necessity to correct.

Now we are living the results.

Ain't McCain.....It is the DEMOCRATs. Why is Dodd still head of the Banking, Housing and Urban affairs committee? Why is Rangle...who failed to pay his taxes...chairman of Ways and Means? Why is Barney Frank head of Banking when he said Fannie and Freddie were not in trouble as late as the end of last year?

It isn't capitalism that caused this...it is too much regulation of the wrong things. We need to regulate less, oversee more, and let Capitalism work.

Take your arguement to the lib sites...only they will believe that what you say is true.

Not here.

re: #242 BigPapa

Now now Mrs Manners! The polite thing to say would be "Go screw yourself."

Sincerely,

Admiring Fan

(Snicker)

Considering the cranial rectal inversion of the subject I believe MM's suggestion might actually be possible.

re: #211 JustMyView

Here is the WaPo factcheck on the Raines advice ad. They don't give it much credibility.

Shorter WaPo: trusting us was your first mistake.

re: #232 Miss Molly

and the other bookend, Louis Farrakhan. What a pair of horrors.

Slightly Offtopic

NYT: (Joe Biden) ...tapping a reporter’s chest and telling him, “You need to work on your pecs.”

Why couldn't that reporter have tapped back on Biden's head and telling him, "...and you need to fill this thing with something worthwhile!" ?

#27 realwest

I have to admit that I'm not so sure this is a good tactic for McCain - first because the MSM will attack him even more (cause he's doing their job of "vetting" Obama - and he's better at it) and because I think questioning of his "judgment" with his associates isn't the best way to attack Obama.

You're right, William "BJ" Clinton had some associations worse than Hopey McChangerson and managed (with the help of the moonstream media) to weather the temporary storms they caused.

Like nukes, attacking associations should not be Mc Cain's first weapon of choice, but they still need to be in his arsenal.

Now that Hopey has realized that he could lose this race, he has taken the gloves off. As such, Mc Cain should not play defense.

re: #244 yesandno

One Nekama Troll Hammer Star for you!

re: #243 Spiny Norman

The "wall of text" method is an internet version of "carpet bombing".

'net Arc Light!

re: #248 Just sayin...

Slightly Offtopic

Why couldn't that reporter have tapped back on Biden's head and telling him, "...and you need to fill this thing with something worthwhile!" ?

Pelosi already drilled there?

re: #220 JustMyView

Many, many All-American college students have read Alinsky's book. I think it's going to be pretty tough to paint Obama as a wild-eyed radical based on his connection to Alinsky's ideas. They're just not that radical.

Obama did more than read the book, he joined the club. call it mainstream socialism if you don't buy into the radical part, doesn't make it any more palatable to me.

but why stop with Alinsky? he has been involved with socialists and America-haters his entire life. what about Obama's childhood mentor Frank Marshall Davis, a communist, or Jim Wallis, "the white Wright"?

Has anyone read David Freddoso's book, "The Case Against Barack Obama?" Lots of hammer material in that little tome.Footnotes too.

re: #58 funky chicken

All very good suggestions.

With this particular video clip, however, all you need to do is to preface this video (starting at :50 and to 1:45) with a clip of Obama downplaying his relationship with Wright. That's one minute total, and it does two things: (1) re-associates Obama with all of Wright's "G-d damn America" rhetoric, and (2) shows Obama to be an opportunistic liar.

re: #55 realwest

Hey

That's why I said what I did in my #27.
The MSM is SO in love with Obama, that any of this "personal crap" that the MSM let fly out the window without batting an eye, they will jump all over McCain for these "personal" attacks.

So what? McCain can't sneeze without the MSM finding something negative to say about it. There is simply nothing McCain can do about the MSM right now. Maybe after he's President he might be able to manipulate them somewhat, like Reagan did (although it's unlikely McCain will ever enjoy the enormous popularity Reagan enjoyed, given the nightmarish economic and security situation he will inherit). Right now the best thing he can do is ignore them and just hammer on Obama every which way and trust that the message will get through to the public.

#219 Mr. Sandman

For the many of you folks on this site who vote only on the basis of what you think are policies to strengthen our national security, you should know that once McCain is elected, with Phil Gramm as our treasury secretary, several years more of these extreme, hyper-capitalistic economic policies is likely to lead to total economic decimation, which will incidentally also lead to decimation of our national security, as we won't have any resources for anything including that.

I am laughing right now at the absurdity of your illogical post. Obama's socialistic reforms would bankrupt our country. What would lead to total economic decimation under the messianic rule of Obama would be:
1. taking hard-earned money from the haves and giving it to the have-nots.
2. placing an extreme tax burden on the businesses that actually hire people.
3. government control over the private sector [because we all know how efficient the government is].

Show me just one country that is thriving under communism or socialism. Just one. And thriving means industry growth, new technology, medical breakthroughs, small business growth, etc. In case you slept through your history classes, communism is considered a failed experiment. Just ask anyone who risked their lives to escape from it.

re: #256 Tigger2005

So what? McCain can't sneeze without the MSM finding something negative to say about it. There is simply nothing McCain can do about the MSM right now. Maybe after he's President he might be able to manipulate them somewhat, like Reagan did (although it's unlikely McCain will ever enjoy the enormous popularity Reagan enjoyed, given the nightmarish economic and security situation he will inherit). Right now the best thing he can do is ignore them and just hammer on Obama every which way and trust that the message will get through to the public.

The economic and security situation Reagan inherited was nightmarish.
18% inflation, Russian Bear being belligerent, Iran Hostage situation ... I could go on and on.

Sorry - haven't read the whole thread, so apologies to those who have already pointed this out:

A very striking element of this video is Barry's diction - his "accent" if you will. It's not overwhelming, but if you listen a bit closely, you will detect a significant difference between his speech mannerisms on this clip, and those you are hearing from the stump today.

A little whitened up lately, perhaps? Probably my imagination ...