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Dr. Shackleford Explains Astroturfing

Politics | Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:44:34 pm PDT

If you got some strange results trying to load LGF a few minutes ago, don’t panic. We’re just tweaking some server settings, and we all know how painful that can be.

Meanwhile, here’s an interesting podcast from Shire Network News, featuring Dr. Rusty: Podcast explains Astroturfing For Fun and Profit.

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1 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:47:00pm

I was getting strange results trying to load LGF a few minutes ago...

But thankfully Charles and Stinky are on the job and everything seems fine now.

2 gmsc  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:49:16pm

Oh no! It's a hacker attack on LGF by . . . Charles?!?

3 kahall  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:49:41pm

I once put some on a front porch. Don't do it, as it will not stay.

4 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:50:01pm

I couldn't get in a minute ago, so I added another layer of tinfoil to my Self Protection System, cinched the duct-tape strap a bit tighter, and dove in again.

Victory! Success comes to those prepared!

5 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:50:24pm

Never thought of the Shire as a high tech place.

6 P. Aaron  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:51:00pm

Lacking any other words that may sound more erudite:

The mainstream media suck! Pure & Simple.

7 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:51:28pm
Using just his computer and an internet connection......

This is how the world was turned upside down when Rathergate happened, forever hearing the sounds of moonbat heads exploding from coast to coast!

8 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:53:15pm

I still have elbow scars from playing football on astroturf. That crap was rock hard and hot as hell during the summer.

Hated it.

9 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:56:27pm

re: #8 JammieWearingFool

I still have elbow scars from playing football on astroturf. That crap was rock hard and hot as hell during the summer.

Hated it.


Astroturf should be against the law...
* no sarc tag * I'm serious

10 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:56:58pm

re: #8 JammieWearingFool

I still have elbow scars from playing football on astroturf. That crap was rock hard and hot as hell during the summer.

Hated it.

Imagine how the Brady kids felt.

11 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:57:28pm

I've just returned from four days of camping outside of the reach of cell phone and radio signals. I even missed the debate on Friday.

So what's been happening, anything interesting?

12 Cognito  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:58:08pm

re: #8 JammieWearingFool

I still have elbow scars from playing football on astroturf. That crap was rock hard and hot as hell during the summer.

Hated it.

Yeah. Me too. There we'd be, out on the gridiron, sweat pouring off our faces. Uniforms soaked. Agony. Then halftime would end, and we'd march off with instruments held high. ;)

13 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:58:40pm

re: #8 JammieWearingFool

I still have elbow scars from playing football on astroturf. That crap was rock hard and hot as hell during the summer.

Hated it.

In junior high, I played "touch" football on both astroturf and tarmac in gym. ("Touch" my a$$- the impact from the jocks was the same as the real thing, as was my impact on the ground.)

Being gym, we were required to wear the standard gym shorts and tees.

The road rash I got from the 'turf was worse than that from the frickin' asphalt.

/on the plus side, it sidelined me long enough for the course outline to move us from football to volleyball- with the two sides (nerds and hyper-aggressive gorillas) separated by a net

cheers

eon

14 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:58:57pm

Enjoyable Podcast, Couric and company are paid millions to do a worse job.

15 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:59:29pm

re: #11 Ringo the Gringo

I've just returned from four days of camping outside of the reach of cell phone and radio signals. I even missed the debate on Friday.

So what's been happening, anything interesting?

Nope..pretty slow newsday..
/really though..camping is great fun..We went to Michigan in june..

16 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 5:59:52pm

re: #11 Ringo the Gringo

Not really. Same ol stuff.

17 alien_mind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:00:31pm
18 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:01:35pm

re: #12 Cognito

Yeah. Me too. There we'd be, out on the gridiron, sweat pouring off our faces. Uniforms soaked. Agony. Then halftime would end, and we'd march off with instruments held high. ;)

/wow being the waterboy is a lot rougher than i imagined!
I'm just teasing you cog...what's up?

19 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:01:45pm

re: #9 HoosierHoops

Astroturf should be against the law...
* no sarc tag * I'm serious

It's pretty much been outlawed by the major sports leagues and replaced by the field turf. Some places we played were at schools that had them as multipurpose fields and the like. It was like playing on green concrete.

20 Outrider  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:02:57pm
We’re just tweaking some server settings, and we all know how painful that can be.


Tweak away! For the first time, I clicked to come to the latest thread and I was loaded in a heartbeat. It usually takes a minute or so.

21 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:04:46pm

re: #19 JammieWearingFool

It's pretty much been outlawed by the major sports leagues and replaced by the field turf. Some places we played were at schools that had them as multipurpose fields and the like. It was like playing on green concrete.

yea...Indy uses field turf in it's new stadium..I've been reading the upkeep gets really pricey over time.

22 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:15pm

re: #11 Ringo the Gringo

I've just returned from four days of camping outside of the reach of cell phone and radio signals. I even missed the debate on Friday.

So what's been happening, anything interesting?

Well- democrats are lying, the msm is helping them, and some republicans are beginning to go defeatist. So- basically nothing new really.

23 moe katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:25pm

I find the stuff is really hard on lawnmower blades.

24 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:44pm

re: #20 Outrider

Tweak away! For the first time, I clicked to come to the latest thread and I was loaded in a heartbeat. It usually takes a minute or so.

That's a bug...We'll get that fixed for you in no time..
/

25 Charles  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:05:47pm

Fox News is airing the wit and wisdom of Mike Huckabee again.

Come on, Hannity! Let's make it a two-fer! Don't we need to know what Pat Buchanan thinks about the financial crisis?

26 Outrider  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:07:50pm

re: #12 Cognito

Yeah. Me too. There we'd be, out on the gridiron, sweat pouring off our faces. Uniforms soaked. Agony. Then halftime would end, and we'd march off with instruments held high. ;)

:-)> Them band nerds don't have it as easy as most folks think. Them uniforms are the damnedest things I've ever seen. They all seem to be thick wool, even in 100 deg temps or pouring rain. Some of those instruments seem to be as large as some of the kids playing them. And the maneuvers? I think I'd rather be out tackling sh*t myself.

27 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:08:42pm

re: #21 HoosierHoops

yea...Indy uses field turf in it's new stadium..I've been reading the upkeep gets really pricey over time.

By field turf, are you referring to grass?

28 WhiteRasta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:08:47pm

re: #17 alien_mind

Rove! You magnificent bastard!

29 Outrider  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:08:56pm

re: #24 HoosierHoops

That's a bug...We'll get that fixed for you in no time..
/

Thanks, I'd appreciate that. I get nervous when things work too well. ;-)>

30 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:09:09pm

re: #4 stevieray

I couldn't get in a minute ago, so I added another layer of tinfoil to my Self Protection System, cinched the duct-tape strap a bit tighter, and dove in again.

Victory! Success comes to those prepared!

Been taking safety tips from Dan Rather again?

31 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:10:18pm

re: #20 Outrider

Tweak away! For the first time, I clicked to come to the latest thread and I was loaded in a heartbeat. It usually takes a minute or so.

Everyone enjoys faster page loads.

32 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:12:32pm

re: #25 Charles

Fox News is airing the wit and wisdom of Mike Huckabee again.

Come on, Hannity! Let's make it a two-fer! Don't we need to know what Pat Buchanan thinks about the financial crisis?

And, while we're at it, Dick Morris.

33 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:12:56pm

Are we allowed to have Baseball under Communism?

I want to get myself mentally prepared.

34 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:14pm

re: #27 ciaospirit

By field turf, are you referring to grass?

No.. i mean the latest greatest field turf...apparently it takes expensive upgrades every 4 games.. I'll need to read more and provide you with a link..I read it on the indystar.com

35 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:34pm

re: #27 ciaospirit

By field turf, are you referring to grass?

It's a new type of artificial turf. Ladanian Tomlinson is pushing it here in San Diego, a desert climate, for home use.

36 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:53pm

And will the Great Depression cause the NFL to go under?

37 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:13:54pm

re: #30 Dark_Falcon

Been taking safety tips from Dan Rather again?

"We erred in our judgment...Mallick's column is a classic piece of political invective. It is viciously personal, grossly hyperbolic and intensely partisan-

CBS having to apologize for his column calling Palin supporters White Trash.

/he still has a job.

false but.........

38 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:14:07pm

re: #33 mama winger

Are we allowed to have Baseball under Communism?

I want to get myself mentally prepared.

Basketball is doing great under communism!
chin up mama!
/

39 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:14:19pm

re: #33 mama winger

Are we allowed to have Baseball under Communism?

I want to get myself mentally prepared.

Castro loves baseball.

Does that answer your question?

40 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:05pm

re: #39 Ringo the Gringo

Castro loves baseball.

Does that answer your question?

Oh yes ! And Venezuela too!

I can breathe again .......

41 neocon hippie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:15:15pm

re: #37 ibmkeyboard

You mean CBC, not CBS.

42 ibmkeyboard  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:16:20pm

re: #41 neocon hippie

You mean CBC, not CBS.

and she, not he.

i skimmed.

43 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:05pm

re: #35 CyanSnowHawk

It's a new type of artificial turf. Ladanian Tomlinson is pushing it here in San Diego, a desert climate, for home use.

How does it compare to grass? Is it less hard than Astroturf with less rug burns?

44 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:17:46pm

re: #43 ciaospirit

How does it compare to grass?

I think it is somewhat trickier to smoke.

45 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:35pm

re: #36 mama winger

And will the Great Depression cause the NFL to go under?

Nah... only the Bears.

/kidding

46 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:18:51pm

re: #44 mama winger

I think it is somewhat trickier to smoke.

hahahahaha, but I bet it's been tried.

47 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:19:01pm

re: #40 mama winger

Oh yes ! And Venezuela too!

I can breathe again .......

No, in a pre-emptive move _before_ the election, The Zero will outlaw all forms of Baseball. Congress, giddy at the thought of the Messiah issuing his first order will pass it overwhelmingly.

This will happen, minutes before the Cubs take the field in their first World Series game.

/I just knew we couldn't beat that curse.

48 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:19:22pm

re: #25 Charles

Fox News is airing the wit and wisdom of Mike Huckabee again.

Come on, Hannity! Let's make it a two-fer! Don't we need to know what Pat Buchanan thinks about the financial crisis?

SPEW

49 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #45 stevieray

I couldn't figure out why they were winning last night. I am not prepared for all these Chicago teams to succeed at once. It makes me itchy.

50 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:22pm

re: #39 Ringo the Gringo

Castro loves baseball.

Does that answer your question?


Vice Presidents of employee relations Che, Uday and Quesay will see you in the motivational counseling chamber. They are concerned about the hole in your swing. It will be relocated to a place between your ears.

51 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:33pm

re: #44 mama winger

I think it is somewhat trickier to smoke.

It's a bitch to roll, it won't stay lit and it stinks so bad that no amount of Nag Champa will cover the stench.

52 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:50pm

re: #47 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Keep repeating:

there is no curse

there is no curse ....

53 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:52pm

Nearly 50 comments in and not one on topic.


/ ....not even Charles.

54 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:20:56pm

re: #46 ciaospirit

hahahahaha, but I bet it's been tried.

yes..Immediate knee injuries are the symptoms..

55 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:21:26pm

What about golf under Communism?

56 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:21:37pm

re: #53 Ringo the Gringo

Nearly 50 comments in and not one on topic.


/ ....not even Charles.

What's the topic ?

57 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:21:51pm

re: #52 mama winger

Keep repeating:

there is no curse

there is no curse ....

I tried that when I was 8...

The year of the Miracle Mets.

58 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:20pm

I once heard a rumor that Clinton had a Camino with Astroturf in the back. True or false?

59 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:26pm

re: #55 MandyManners

What about golf under Communism?

Too individualistic. Must go. Only group sports.

60 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:40pm

re: #53 Ringo the Gringo

I discussed the page load.... I'd listen to Rusty, but it locked up my browser and I don't feel like trying again at the moment. Maybe later.

61 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:46pm

re: #49 mama winger

I couldn't figure out why they were winning last night. I am not prepared for all these Chicago teams to succeed at once. It makes me itchy.

Well, get yourself some Calamine and enjoy the ride!

I wish your Cubbies well. Its been too long, and y'all deserve it,

62 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:46pm

re: #47 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No, in a pre-emptive move _before_ the election, The Zero will outlaw all forms of Baseball. Congress, giddy at the thought of the Messiah issuing his first order will pass it overwhelmingly.

This will happen, minutes before the Cubs take the field in their first World Series game.

/I just knew we couldn't beat that curse.

That's one thing we don't have to worry about. Obama may be a Sox fan, but he won't mess with baseball. Whether anyone will be able to afford a ticket, on the other hand...

63 JimmyTheClaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:22:50pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

No.. i mean the latest greatest field turf...apparently it takes expensive upgrades every 4 games.. I'll need to read more and provide you with a link..I read it on the indystar.com

like pittsburgh used last year when the punted ball didnt bounce it just stuck where it landed

64 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:01pm

re: #57 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I tried that when I was 8...

The year of the Miracle Mets.

Mama does NOT talk about the Mets. Evah.

65 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:05pm

re: #43 ciaospirit

How does it compare to grass? Is it less hard than Astroturf with less rug burns?

Astroturf is like a first off prototype compared to this stuff, but there has also been a considerable amount of progress made in the underlayment for artificial turfs, trying to get them to react just like properly maintained soil. The NFL knows the headaches caused by previous artificial fields and are unlikely to allow those problems to happen again.

66 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:44pm

re: #58 MandyManners

I once heard a rumor that Clinton had a Camino with Astroturf in the back. True or false?

false.
he had leopard velour.

67 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:50pm

re: #61 stevieray

Well, get yourself some Calamine and enjoy the ride!

I wish your Cubbies well. Its been too long, and y'all deserve it,

Thank you. Just once.... once before I die ..... that's all I ask

68 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:23:50pm

re: #55 MandyManners

What about golf under Communism?

that caused me pause..I'll need to check..I can't think of one player..

69 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #58 MandyManners

I once heard a rumor that Clinton had a Camino with Astroturf in the back. True or false?

He made a joke of it during one of his campaigns. True - I was listening to him at the time.

70 Reno911  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:04pm

I know the secret to surviving the so-called economic meltdown.

Come closer...shhhhh...be still lizard.

Buy low. Sell High.

Keep it on the downlow.

71 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:09pm

re: #33 mama winger

Are we allowed to have Baseball under Communism?

I want to get myself mentally prepared.

Baseball will be deemed the opiate of the masses. We will be allowed that. Everything else that belongs to us will no longer be ours. ;)

72 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:10pm

re: #59 mama winger

Too individualistic. Must go. Only group sports.

Yes... and ones requiring only minimal equipment (so the proles can afford to play) and limited organization on the field. Many third world games comply... such as...

... Soccer


/ducks

73 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:32pm

re: #58 MandyManners

I once heard a rumor that Clinton had a Camino with Astroturf in the back. True or false?

Not sure about that, but I do know that his Camino had a bumper sticker that said "If this piece is rockin' don't come a knockin'!"

74 CIA Reject  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:50pm

re: #57 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I tried that when I was 8...

The year of the Miracle Mets.

I remember about 1962 or so Merv Griffin was mocking NASA by saying that "the year NASA lands on the moon will be the year the New York Mets win the World Series".

Much to his chagrin, he was RIGHT!

75 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:51pm

re: #58 MandyManners

I once heard a rumor that Clinton had a Camino with Astroturf in the back. True or false?

Ask Hillary if she still has the rugburns.

76 Colonel Panik  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:24:54pm

re: #25 Charles

Fox News is airing the wit and wisdom of Mike Huckabee again.

If this financial crisis gets as bad as some fear I may be wanting his squirrel recipe.

77 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:25:37pm

re: #48 MandyManners

SPEW

News flash; Pat Buchanan thinks.

And in other news, scientists have announced the stunning revelation that penguins, long believed to be flightless aquatic antarctic birds, actually do fly, and in fact prefer the tropics. They are not noticed because they turn invisible when they leave the ground.

And when they're on the beach at Cancun', no one recognizes them because they're wearing Ray-Bans.

/Do I really need the sarc tag?

cheers

eon

78 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:25:50pm

re: #75 CyanSnowHawk

Ask Hillary if she still has the rugburns.

She never got them to begin with.

79 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:02pm

"You won't believe your toes [TM]"

Well hell, I'm sold!

/kinda like ZerObama....looks like the real thing but not even close..........

80 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:13pm

re: #71 Cartman

Baseball will be deemed the opiate of the masses. We will be allowed that. Everything else that belongs to us will no longer be ours. ;)

How ya doin, Cartman ?

:)

81 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:22pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

that caused me pause..I'll need to check..I can't think of one player..

Kim Il Sung! He's the best golfer in the world... of ten get 6 or 7 holes-in-one per round.

82 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:22pm

re: #55 MandyManners

What about golf under Communism?

Golf is an anti-Imperialist resistance movement invented by the Scots to torture the English. They have been making a nice living selling gear, funny hats and package vacations to the invaders for 500 years while having a good laugh.

83 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:26:42pm

re: #69 Bobibutu

He made a joke of it during one of his campaigns. True - I was listening to him at the time.

Of course that begs whether he was telling the truth or not. iirc he was at an auto assembly plant when he said it.

84 moe katz  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:27:20pm

re: #78 Sharmuta

She never got them to begin with.

No, Bill did.

85 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:27:57pm

re: #70 Reno911

I know the secret to surviving the so-called economic meltdown.

Come closer...shhhhh...be still lizard.

Buy low. Sell High.

Keep it on the downlow.

yeah.. I bought WAMU on my WAMU credit card today..
I'm feeling pretty good about that..Should i leverage tomorrow?

86 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:03pm

re: #84 moe katz

No, Bill did.

Possibly- but I doubt he acquired those with Hill.

87 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:08pm

re: #81 stevieray

Kim Il Sung! He's the best golfer in the world... of ten get 6 or 7 holes-in-one per round.

Not 18?

Who got executed?

88 WhiteRasta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:12pm

re: #80 mama winger

Baseball is the national sport of Cuba, if I remember correctly.

A fine Socialist Sport. (Just kidding!)

89 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:15pm

re: #80 mama winger

Doin' OK, Mama. Thanks for askin'! Hope you are well. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - so glad you are back with us!

GO CUBS!

90 CIA Reject  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:28:50pm

re: #69 Bobibutu

He made a joke of it during one of his campaigns. True - I was listening to him at the time.

OK, lemme get this straight. Bill Clinton had an El Camino with Astroturf in the back and Sarah Palin is "White Trash".

Right.... OK... That makes sense.....

Not to ME, but it makes sense...

/Agarn

91 Colonel Panik  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:29:06pm

re: #33 mama winger

Are we allowed to have Baseball under Communism?

I want to get myself mentally prepared.

Yes, but only the San Francisco Giants will be allowed to win.

Have you ever seen all the moonbats in the stands at SBC (So Bonds Cheated) Park?

92 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:29:09pm

re: #89 Cartman

Every time I see you post here, I remember how we all missed you when you were out sick. Seeing your nic does my heart good.

93 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:29:30pm

re: #65 CyanSnowHawk

Thanks. I'm asking because the H.S. is whining about no money and we need a tax levy, yet they just spent a million on laying turf. They tout the fact they don't have to do the upkeep they had to do with grass, yet never talk about injuries due to turf. Since it sounds like some of you have played on it, it's good to get that perspective. I'm against turf myself, but I'm not well versed on it.

94 kevinmumaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:30:08pm
95 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:30:24pm

baseball should be played on God's own green grass under God's own sunshine.

96 WhiteRasta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:30:42pm

re: #87 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Lil Kim is the conquerer of the British Empire. Or was that Idi Amin?

97 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:30:43pm

re: #94 kevinmumaw

"Mr Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines...

Rep Maxine Waters (D)
Government Sponsored Enterprises Subcommittee
2004

puke o rama

98 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:31:15pm

re: #92 mama winger

Ditto, Mama. :)

99 swamprat  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:31:19pm

re: #92 mama winger


ditto, but the other way

100 Catttt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:31:29pm

re: #70 Reno911

I know the secret to surviving the so-called economic meltdown.

Come closer...shhhhh...be still lizard.

Buy low. Sell High.

Keep it on the downlow.

I'm looking forward to some awesome buys.

101 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:31:52pm

re: #96 WhiteRasta

Lil Kim is the conquerer of the British Empire. Or was that Idi Amin?

Idi was the King of Scotland.

I'm not read up on the Dear Leader. I get all my info on him from Team America. :-)

102 mama winger  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:32:35pm

Well, since it is Rosh Hoshana tonight I am going to do some reading in the Good Book. I'm not Jewish but they let me read it anyway.


goodnight and God bless you, my friends

Keep the faith

103 arethusa  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:32:48pm

re: #69 Bobibutu

He made a joke of it during one of his campaigns. True - I was listening to him at the time.

He very quickly said, IIRC, "it wasn't for what you're thinking it was for." So it must have been 1996?

104 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:33:20pm

re: #94 kevinmumaw

"Mr Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines...

Rep Maxine Waters (D)
Government Sponsored Enterprises Subcommittee
2004

I heard that soundbite. What do you wanna bet she wanted to call any dissenters to Mr. Raine's outstanding leadership racists?

105 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:33:43pm

re: #95 mama winger

baseball should be played on God's own green grass under God's own sunshine.

and football should be played on God's own brown mud, under God's own pounding rain and swirling snow.

106 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:00pm

re: #91 Colonel Panik

Yes, but only the San Francisco Giants will be allowed to win.

Have you ever seen all the moonbats in the stands at SBC (So Bonds Cheated) Park?

That's not fair! Most baseball players we haved learned used steriods...and not just baseball...the olympics history with steriods is terrible..the tour of france..every sport..many athletes..
I'm not defending Mr. Bonds..but he had lots of company.

107 tripletdad  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:17pm

Well, I always wondered what the term meant in political terms, anyway. Now I get it.

I thought it had something to do with the lining in the back of Bill Clinton's El Camino...

108 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:26pm

re: #105 stevieray

and football should be played on God's own brown mud, under God's own pounding rain and swirling snow.

I miss Vet Stadium and the best astroturf in the world ... It was like the 12th man on the field ;)

109 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:29pm

re: #5 lifeofthemind

Never thought of the Shire as a high tech place.

Ted Sandyman changed all that.
/Not Another Tolkien Spinoff: The Never Before Published Alternate Endings

110 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:51pm

re: #105 stevieray

and football should be played on God's own brown mud, under God's own pounding rain and swirling snow.

All the way up to and including the Super Bowl.

111 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:34:54pm

re: #105 stevieray

and football should be played on God's own brown mud, under God's own pounding rain and swirling snow.

With uniforms with spots and swatches of blood.

112 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:35:31pm

Maxine Waters just may be the only elected representative dumber than Pelosi, but that is surely debatable. The Dems have traditionally offered up a smorgasbord of lamebrains.

113 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:35:48pm

re: #105 stevieray

and football should be played on God's own brown mud, under God's own pounding rain and swirling snow.

Yep. It's way too clean now. Too pretty. Wasn't meant to be that way.

114 ciaospirit  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:36:28pm

re: #112 Cartman

Maxine Waters just may be the only elected representative dumber than Pelosi, but that is surely debatable. The Dems have traditionally offered up a smorgasbord of lamebrains.

lol

115 kevinmumaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:37:18pm

re: #104 ciaospirit

I wouldn't doubt. I will say it, Maxine waters is the, how shall I put this...least intelligent member of congress, in the history of congress. She threatened to nationalize the oil industry, except she didn't know the word nationalize, after stuttering about for a few seconds, she settled on "take over", and I heard her use the word securitize with Neil Cavuto last week. Securitize. For some odd reason, spell checker says that is not a word.

116 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:37:22pm

re: #25 Charles

Fox News is airing the wit and wisdom of Mike Huckabee again.

/you do know he has his own one hour show on weekends now, right?

117 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:37:51pm

The National Lampoon (the guys from Harvard who were not humorless twits) did an alternate history riff in which the Kennedy clan became the permanant government and made the Washington Senators the only team allowed to win. While they were in college they did a fine parody of Tolkein, "Bored of the Rings."

118 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:38:37pm

Yaar! Evening, Mates! The local school just built a new stadium, and it is amazing, with an incredible underground drainage system, AstroTurf, a big screen on the scoreboard, and this is just a high school. It looks top flight! City of Decatur does nothing halfway.
Neither does the CDC, I was at FS-1 this afternoon, adjacent to the communicable disease center, and the transformation was incredible. A small futuristic city of 15 story skyscrapers, with impeccable and very expensive design features and incredible detailed lower stoned, has been built in the last 7 years since 911. They could of built the structures for half the cost. But nothing is to good for Homeland defense, I have never seen a more wasteful org than HLD. I have zero confidence in the HLD and CDC to protect us, even with the modern "Camelot" they have built. Big government and wasted money.
/I detest Bush on 80 percent of the issues! Haaar!

119 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:38:44pm

re: #113 ciaospirit

Yep. It's way too clean now. Too pretty. Wasn't meant to be that way.

We built our team..( Colts ) around speed..astroturf gave us great advantage over many stronger slower teams..
On the other hand..We won the Superbowl in the rain..go figure

120 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:38:48pm

re: #112 Cartman

Maxine Waters just may be the only elected representative dumber than Pelosi, but that is surely debatable. The Dems have traditionally offered up a smorgasbord of lamebrains.

I don't know how anyone can look at that bunch of wankers and still be a Democrat.

I was trying to convince a friend of mine at work, who doesn't like Obama but is otherwise a knee-jerk Democrat, that the Democrats just aren't what she thinks they are. Think I may have made a WEE bit of headway.

121 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:39:05pm

re: #76 Colonel Panik

If this financial crisis gets as bad as some fear I may be wanting his squirrel recipe.

/squirrel melts

122 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:39:18pm

re: #108 Celtic Templar

I miss Vet Stadium and the best astroturf in the world ... It was like the 12th man on the field ;)

I went to a few games there back in the eighties. Frightening place, it was.

123 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:39:30pm

re: #117 lifeofthemind

The National Lampoon (the guys from Harvard who were not humorless twits) did an alternate history riff in which the Kennedy clan became the permanant government and made the Washington Senators the only team allowed to win. While they were in college they did a fine parody of Tolkein, "Bored of the Rings."

Yes, and you weren't a teenage boy in the 1970's if you didn't read the whole book looking for the elf maiden love seen excerpted in the inside cover.

/No, it wasn't there.

124 Sharmuta  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:39:41pm

re: #120 Tigger2005

Hey- FYI- they pulled that youtube video, but it's back up with a new URL:

125 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:06pm

re: #117 lifeofthemind

Brings to mind good ol' Tim Benzadrine............Frito, Spam, Goodgulf, Arrowshirt.....

126 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:16pm

re: #120 Tigger2005

I don't know how anyone can look at that bunch of wankers and still be a Democrat.

I was trying to convince a friend of mine at work, who doesn't like Obama but is otherwise a knee-jerk Democrat, that the Democrats just aren't what she thinks they are. Think I may have made a WEE bit of headway.

I agree if you look at their "stars"

Pelosi, Reid, Shumer, Frank, Waxman (he escaped from the muppet show), Waters, Jesse Jackson Jr., Barbara Boxer, Feinstein, Feingold, Kucinich - bunch a crazy looking mother f'ers.

127 nyc redneck  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:21pm

re: #115 kevinmumaw

I wouldn't doubt. I will say it, Maxine waters is the, how shall I put this...least intelligent member of congress, in the history of congress. She threatened to nationalize the oil industry, except she didn't know the word nationalize, after stuttering about for a few seconds, she settled on "take over", and I heard her use the word securitize with Neil Cavuto last week. Securitize. For some odd reason, spell checker says that is not a word.

she is really an embarrassment. my jaw just drops when i hear her talk.
dumb.

128 arethusa  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:26pm

/Maybe Astroturf can be used when they next replace the carpet in the Green Room in the White House?

129 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:30pm

re: #118 LoFlyer

Yaar! Evening, Mates!
. . .

/I detest Bush on 80 percent of the issues! Haaar!

Still in pirate mode, I see.

130 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:40:53pm

re: #90 CIA Reject

OK, lemme get this straight. Bill Clinton had an El Camino with Astroturf in the back and Sarah Palin is "White Trash".

Right.... OK... That makes sense.....

Not to ME, but it makes sense...

/Agarn

"When I was a younger man and had a life," stated Clinton, "I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."
The full text from this speech can be found at right here.

[Link: www.gargaro.com...]

131 Reno911  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:41:12pm
132 Celtic Templar  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:41:53pm

re: #130 Bobibutu

"When I was a younger man and had a life," stated Clinton, "I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."
The full text from this speech can be found at right here.

[Link: www.gargaro.com...]

Poonhound - what a statesman, and Bush makes us look bad? Ha!

133 arethusa  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:15pm

re: #122 stevieray

I went to a few games there back in the eighties. Frightening place, it was.

Did you sit in the 700-level? There was no more frightening seating area in baseball.

134 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:17pm

re: #108 Celtic Templar

I miss Vet Stadium and the best astroturf in the world ... It was like the 12th man on the field ;)

Vet Stadium - where Santa and the national anthem receive equal disdain.

135 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:18pm

re: #59 mama winger

Too individualistic. Must go. Only group sports.

I'll probably be panned but, that might be the only good thing about it.

136 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:20pm

re: #123 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Arrr, I remember "Bored of the rings" as a teen, I thought it was great satire. Not as good as Iowahawk, but pretty damn good!

137 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:42:21pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Still in pirate mode, I see.

{reine} my comment to you was lost in the charles tweak on the server..
Good evening and best wishes

138 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:43:16pm

re: #52 mama winger

Put it in Brownies. Reine? Did you get a recipe from Alice B?

/just curious

139 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:43:27pm

re: #103 arethusa

He very quickly said, IIRC, "it wasn't for what you're thinking it was for." So it must have been 1996?

02/08/1994 Shreveport LA GM workers.

"I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."

140 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:43:42pm

re: #68 HoosierHoops

that caused me pause..I'll need to check..I can't think of one player..

Lil' Kim sure would be ronery on the rinks.

141 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:43:45pm

re: #123 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Yes, and you weren't a teenage boy in the 1970's if you didn't read the whole book looking for the elf maiden love seen excerpted in the inside cover.

/No, it wasn't there.

They knew Heuristics before Heuristics were cool.

142 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:43:53pm

Pirate Day was so 10 days ago...

143 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:28pm

re: #125 IslandLibertarian

Brings to mind good ol' Tim Benzadrine............Frito, Spam, Goodgulf, Arrowshirt.....


If you can remember the 60s you weren't there.

144 kevinmumaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:40pm

re: #127 nyc redneck

What would she be doing if she weren't elected into her job? I mean job-wise? Community organizer?

145 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:47pm

re: #129 reine.de.tout

Still in pirate mode, I see.

I can cease and desist matey, but I am having too much fun with it, let me know if it becomes obnoxious and I will retreat! Yaaar!

146 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:44:51pm

re: #66 nyc redneck

false.
he had leopard velour.

No shit?

147 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:05pm

re: #137 HoosierHoops

{reine} my comment to you was lost in the charles tweak on the server..
Good evening and best wishes

{HH}
Good evening to you, too!
I've lost one or two today, too.
and they were the most brilliant comments I've ever written, utterly brilliant!
And now, lost forever LOLOL.

148 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:08pm
149 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:10pm

I love those NFL Films videos, with the voice of John Vincenza [sp?] resonating like the voice of God... blood and sweat dripping from the chins of the big uglies, as they line up against each other before the snap... icy breath snorting from their noses...

Those videos did more to sell football to the masses than the game itself did.

150 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:14pm

re: #142 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

How many turns of the hourglass is that?

/obscure nautical reference

151 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:29pm

re: #69 Bobibutu

He made a joke of it during one of his campaigns. True - I was listening to him at the time.

Maybe that's where I heard it.

152 jaunte  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:52pm

re: #142 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Arrr, I missed it due to ye hurrycane Ike. Blast it.

153 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:45:52pm

Icky, said Moxie...

Double Icky, said Pepsi.

Watch out... here comes... the Ball-Hog!

154 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:00pm

re: #126 Celtic Templar

I agree if you look at their "stars"

Pelosi, Reid, Shumer, Frank, Waxman (he escaped from the muppet show), Waters, Jesse Jackson Jr., Barbara Boxer, Feinstein, Feingold, Kucinich - bunch a crazy looking mother f'ers.

You are right, never thought of it before but they all are cartoon/puppet characters.

155 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:08pm

re: #73 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Not sure about that, but I do know that his Camino had a bumper sticker that said "If this piece is rockin' don't come a knockin'!"

*shaking head*

156 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:22pm

re: #143 lifeofthemind

If you can remember the 60s you weren't there.

I only get blinding FLASHES! Like shattered pieces stuck behind my eyelids.

/that '70s show had nuthin' on us.......

157 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:32pm

re: #148 goddessoftheclassroom

One of the experts...

Haar!

158 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:46:55pm

re: #125 IslandLibertarian

Bored of the Rings also gave us the handy definition of a dullard: Someone who doesn't know lunch from din-din. As in: "Maxine Waters doesn't know her lunch from her din-din."

159 kevinmumaw  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:04pm

re: #142 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Pirate Day was so 10 days ago...

No way, I'm going to Beaufort, NC in a couple weeks for the Ghost Walk. I hear Blackbeard is still roaming the grounds of his house.

160 sngnsgt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:13pm
If you got some strange results trying to load LGF a few minutes ago, don’t panic. We’re just tweaking some server settings, and we all know how painful that can be.

I was having problems logging in the other night and found that logging-in inside a topic rather than the front page worked better.

161 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:23pm

re: #77 eon

News flash; Pat Buchanan thinks.

And in other news, scientists have announced the stunning revelation that penguins, long believed to be flightless aquatic antarctic birds, actually do fly, and in fact prefer the tropics. They are not noticed because they turn invisible when they leave the ground.

And when they're on the beach at Cancun', no one recognizes them because they're wearing Ray-Bans.

/Do I really need the sarc tag?

cheers

eon

I'll hafta' ask my cousin about the invisible penguins in Cancun.

162 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:55pm

re: #138 Cap'n DOC

Put it in Brownies. Reine? Did you get a recipe from Alice B?

/just curious

er, um - I got a couple of Brownie recipes.

brownies from Jorline
and raspberry truffle brownies from beller0ph1

163 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:47:59pm

re: #121 Killian Bundy

/squirrel melts

Oh, no. Fool me several times...

164 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:48:16pm

re: #150 Cap'n DOC

How many turns of the hourglass is that?

/obscure nautical reference

Glass was a half-hour? Hell, I can't keep me bells straight.

/slipping into pirate.

165 Palandine  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:48:44pm

How to put together two weeks of disaster preps

/Not fear mongering, but between hurricanes, gas shortages in the south, fall storms, fires, the possibility of the Cubs winning the series, and other apocalyptic signs, it's always wise to follow the boy (and girl) scout motto

166 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:49:00pm

re: #151 MandyManners

Maybe that's where I heard it.

02/08/1994 Shreveport LA GM workers.
"I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."

Weird statement ... stuck with me.

167 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:49:05pm

re: #152 jaunte

Arrr, I missed it due to ye hurrycane Ike. Blast it.

Yaar, Welcome mate, with a name like that, I could you use when retreating against overwhelming odds!

168 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:49:35pm

re: #75 CyanSnowHawk

Ask Hillary if she still has the rugburns.

I betcha'!

169 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:01pm

Motion to Dismiss filed by Obama in the Berg case was denied. Is there a lawyer here who can read this and say what the next step is? Will he have to answer the petition now?

[Link: www.obamacrimes.com...]

170 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:17pm

re: #82 lifeofthemind

Golf is an anti-Imperialist resistance movement invented by the Scots to torture the English. They have been making a nice living selling gear, funny hats and package vacations to the invaders for 500 years while having a good laugh.

I KNEW IT!

171 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:28pm

re: #162 reine.de.tout

Speakin' of which, I think I'll conjure up a Moose recipe... Well - venison, anyway. More fun to call it Marinated Moose, however.

172 JHW  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:51pm

If we stay as tough as this woman we have it made:
85 year old woman runs off robber

173 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:55pm

re: #133 arethusa

Did you sit in the 700-level? There was no more frightening seating area in baseball.

Only went to football games there. I have no idea what section it was... the eighties are a blur to me.

174 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:50:57pm

re: #168 MandyManners

I betcha'!

Mandy,

Someone, somewhere, is still eating din-din...

/Some things are just not cool.

175 Palandine  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:51:27pm

re: #166 Bobibutu

02/08/1994 Shreveport LA GM workers.
"I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."

Weird statement ... stuck with me.

You see, this makes him sexy and approachable and appealing to the common man and the working class.

Sarah Palin being a hunter, on the other hand, makes her a despicable white trash racist rube.

/MSM

176 unclassifiable  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:51:30pm

Watching Monday Night Football.

Pittsburgh is in throw back uniforms.

Baltimore could be too but...

...nevermind.

177 DM Glampers  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:51:59pm

O/T:

Sorry, but I'm having a hard time figuring out this bailout/rescue thing.
On the one hand, I do believe (almost, but not quite to the point of thinking this meltdown was somehow planned) this is the dems dream come true, i.e. portraying a failure of capitalism and using it as an excuse to do much harm; therefore, screw the bailout. On the other hand, not bailing out the companies that played by rules doomed to eventually create this, it seems wrong for congress not to fix what it had broken; therefore, begrudgingly embrace the bailout.
IOW: Punish those who are not the ultimate source of the fiasco, allowing them to be the scapegoats thus perpetuating the corporate fatcat stereotype and possibly bring down some dems with them or do right by them but lose the argument politically and let the left have a pass.

/incoherent rambling off

178 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:52:20pm

re: #169 JacksonTn

Well - that's special. You just toasted that site.

179 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:52:41pm

re: #158 Pullus Iulius

As in: "Maxine Waters doesn't know her lunch from her din-din."

That's understandable.

/it all comes out of the same can

180 Cartman  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:53:05pm
181 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:54:28pm

re: #166 Bobibutu

02/08/1994 Shreveport LA GM workers.
"I owned an El Camino pickup in the '70s. It was a real sort of Southern deal. I had Astroturf in the back. You don't want to know why, but I did."

Weird statement ... stuck with me.

Trying to be one of the boys?!

182 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:54:39pm

Q: What does Nancy Pelosi call gravity?

A: An oppressive ideology designed to keep working Americans down.

183 Onslow  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:55:31pm
184 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:04pm

re: #176 unclassifiable

Ok, now. That was just uncalled for. I am, by genetics, a Cowboy fan, however the Ravens have become a close second due to proximity. So the Steelers can wear their pansy-a** retro gear, but it takes a heck of a lot of testosterone to wear purple and not look like you have sugar in your step.

/not that there is anything wrong with that..,

185 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:11pm

re: #177 DM Glampers

O/T:

Sorry, but I'm having a hard time figuring out this bailout/rescue thing.
On the one hand, I do believe (almost, but not quite to the point of thinking this meltdown was somehow planned) this is the dems dream come true, i.e. portraying a failure of capitalism and using it as an excuse to do much harm; therefore, screw the bailout. On the other hand, not bailing out the companies that played by rules doomed to eventually create this, it seems wrong for congress not to fix what it had broken; therefore, begrudgingly embrace the bailout.
IOW: Punish those who are not the ultimate source of the fiasco, allowing them to be the scapegoats thus perpetuating the corporate fatcat stereotype and possibly bring down some dems with them or do right by them but lose the argument politically and let the left have a pass.

/incoherent rambling off

Arrr, does that mean I get to slaughter most of the Democratic party for their part in the conspiracy?

186 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:17pm

re: #178 Cap'n DOC

Well - that's special. You just toasted that site.

I just read it again and it is not clear if it is denied yet.

187 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:56:35pm

Asian markets are predictably getting pummeled. Europe's up in a few hours.

/and then it's our turn again

188 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:57:04pm

re: #175 Palandine

You see, this makes him sexy and approachable and appealing to the common man and the working class.

Sarah Palin being a hunter, on the other hand, makes her a despicable white trash racist rube.

/MSM

Sadly so. I never liked Clinton but would have leapt at the chance to be his understudy. The man is a master of rapport and shmooze.

189 Wishing  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:57:17pm

re: #183 Onslow

Read the newroom item at Instapundit

zoiks....reality hurts more than suspicion.

190 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:57:21pm

re: #156 IslandLibertarian

I only get blinding FLASHES! Like shattered pieces stuck behind my eyelids.

/that '70s show had nuthin' on us.......

Back in a minute, getting an Orca-cola.

191 LadyBehir  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:58:29pm

The Ballho with the mystic runes across his chest....

192 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:59:02pm

re: #181 MandyManners

Trying to be one of the boys?!

It would seem so. I can still replay his body language of that moment in my mind.

193 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:59:07pm

re: #174 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Mandy,

Someone, somewhere, is still eating din-din...

/Some things are just not cool.

NSFE?

194 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 6:59:40pm

re: #167 LoFlyer

Yaar, Welcome mate, with a name like that, I could you use when retreating against overwhelming odds!


yaar matey! Thar treasure chests were sacked today! The Cap'n is thirsting for revenge..Bring the skull and Crossbones thar 700 billion bullion in gold coin..
Try the rum trading routes matey!

195 unclassifiable  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:00pm

re: #184 ArmyWife

Well I think I was alluding that they would look a lot like Indianapolis' current uniforms;)

196 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:03pm

re: #182 karmic_inquisitor

Q: What does Nancy Pelosi call gravity?

A: An oppressive ideology designed to keep working Americans down.

She appears to be successful at fighting gravity. Her skin is as tight as a snare drum.

197 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:18pm

re: #195 unclassifiable

oh. Nevermind.

198 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:32pm

re: #25 Charles

Pat thinks? That's news to me.

199 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:54pm

re: #187 Killian Bundy

Asian markets are predictably getting pummeled. Europe's up in a few hours.

/and then it's our turn again

Aren't we closed tomorrow?

200 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:00:57pm

re: #145 LoFlyer

I can cease and desist matey, but I am having too much fun with it, let me know if it becomes obnoxious and I will retreat! Yaaar!

At the next meet-up I fully expect you to be attired in pirate garb and drinking nothing but grog.

201 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:27pm
202 arethusa  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:30pm

So, no one has answered this question to my satisfaction yet: if a huge amount of taxpayers are against the bailout, why is everyone scrambling to blame someone else? Shouldn't they all be trying to take credit for scotching the deal?

203 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:47pm

re: #188 Bobibutu

Sadly so. I never liked Clinton but would have leapt at the chance to be his understudy. The man is a master of rapport and shmooze.

Understudy? So, when he was out of the country, would you have been there for Monica?

204 Palandine  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:02:58pm

You know, if McCain's going to be too freaking nice to BRING IT to the Obama campaign, the 527s need to get started, and that right soon.

I haven't seen anything from them here in the St. Louis market.

Obama's going to win if there's not a full court press to get the truth out about him. My yellow dog democrat mom, who was leaning McCain, is now leaning back Obama. I can't say anything to her, because she gets all her news from Fox and CNN and distrusts stuff from the Internet. It's a mess.

205 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:03:05pm

re: #175 Palandine

You see, this makes him sexy and approachable and appealing to the common man and the working class.

Sarah Palin being a hunter, on the other hand, makes her a despicable white trash racist rube.

/MSM

Clinton was a sexual predator but not towards college educated women or their daughters. Also he did not abuse members of EEO protected classes. He used white trash women, as the readers of Ms and the NYT consider them. Clinton did not threaten the elites, until he became a bloc in Obama's path. Palin is threatening because she empowers the flock.

206 arethusa  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:03:13pm

re: #199 MandyManners

Aren't we closed tomorrow?

I don't think our markets are closed tomorrow, unfortunately...

207 DM Glampers  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:03:35pm

re: #202 arethusa

Perhaps they're as confused as I am-See #177

208 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:03:36pm

re: #189 Wishing

zoiks....reality hurts more than suspicion.

You beat me to it.

It's gotten beyond sickening, frightening, maddening.

209 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:03:58pm

re: #195 unclassifiable

Well I think I was alluding that they would look a lot like Indianapolis' current uniforms;)

I think you were dissing the Colts uniforms? The same one Johnny U wore?
really?

210 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:04:03pm

re: #192 Bobibutu

It would seem so. I can still replay his body language of that moment in my mind.

You po' thang.

211 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:04:46pm

re: #171 Cap'n DOC

Speakin' of which, I think I'll conjure up a Moose recipe... Well - venison, anyway. More fun to call it Marinated Moose, however.

Well, we're moving along, so don't wait too long.

212 lifeofthemind  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:04:56pm

re: #183 Onslow

Read the newroom item at Instapundit

Ironically it does not qualify as news.

213 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:05:09pm

re: #202 arethusa

So, no one has answered this question to my satisfaction yet: if a huge amount of taxpayers are against the bailout, why is everyone scrambling to blame someone else? Shouldn't they all be trying to take credit for scotching the deal?

I declare, at times I think the world is populated by over-grown toddlers!

214 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:05:14pm

re: #169 JacksonTn

Motion to Dismiss filed by Obama in the Berg case was denied. Is there a lawyer here who can read this and say what the next step is? Will he have to answer the petition now?

[Link: www.obamacrimes.com...]

Wait, is this guy still pursuing the birth certificate angle? Quixotic doesn't begin to cover it.

215 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:05:14pm

re: #162 reine.de.tout

er, um - I got a couple of Brownie recipes.

brownies from Jorline
and raspberry truffle brownies from beller0ph1

{reine}

I have a another great recipe for brownies...but it's from the 60's and would probably get everyone in trouble...LOL

//yes you can leave the seeds in...gives them extra texture and a crunch.

216 Florida Lady  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:05:16pm

re: #208 FrogMarch


So what can be done about it?

217 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:03pm

re: #216 Florida Lady

So what can be done about it?

E-mail that link to everyone you know.

218 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:08pm

Good evening Lizards.

219 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:08pm

re: #205 lifeofthemind

Clinton was a sexual predator but not towards college educated women or their daughters. Also he did not abuse members of EEO protected classes. He used white trash women, as the readers of Ms and the NYT consider them. Clinton did not threaten the elites, until he became a bloc in Obama's path. Palin is threatening because she empowers the flock.

Who was the woman on the newsshow? Juanita Broderick?

220 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:15pm

re: #215 jorline

{reine}

I have a another great recipe for brownies...but it's from the 60's and would probably get everyone in trouble...LOL

//yes you can leave the seeds in...gives them extra texture and a crunch.

yah, we'd better leave that one out LOL.

if our kids only knew . . .

221 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:24pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

Here is some trivia for you -

I have an original Natty Boh ad with Johnny U on it - found it behind a shelf in my very, very old house (not that Johnny U stuff is THAT old)

And I dated his son. Once. That was enough.

222 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:24pm

re: #188 Bobibutu

Sadly so. I never liked Clinton but would have leapt at the chance to be his understudy. The man is a master of rapport and shmooze.

No thanks. Knee burn on astroturf?

223 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:36pm

re: #206 arethusa

I don't think our markets are closed tomorrow, unfortunately...

I thought that the DOW will be closed.

224 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:41pm

re: #201 FrogMarch

Sigh. Tell me something I don't know.

225 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:41pm

re: #199 MandyManners

NYSE is open on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, though they are typically light trading days. I don't think this is going to be a typical year, though.

226 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:06:48pm

re: #215 jorline

{reine}

I have a another great recipe for brownies...but it's from the 60's and would probably get everyone in trouble...LOL

//yes you can leave the seeds in...gives them extra texture and a crunch.

Publish the shrimp recipe Jorline!

227 LadyBehir  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:16pm

ball HOG that is... Yikes!

228 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:07:52pm

re: #214 doppelganglander

Wait, is this guy still pursuing the birth certificate angle? Quixotic doesn't begin to cover it.

There was an EXTREMELY interesting link posted on the DT today.

229 IslandLibertarian  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:08:36pm

re: #220 reine.de.tout

yah, we'd better leave that one out LOL.

if our kids only knew . . .

We are the kids our parents warned us about...........

230 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:08:53pm

re: #218 jorline

Good evening Lizards.

How's it boing, Jorline?

231 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:09:55pm

re: #226 HoosierHoops

Publish the shrimp recipe Jorline!

I've got it! And a couple of others.
Jorline seems to enjoy cooking . . . his recipes all look yummy.
But no peeking 'til the book is done!
Wer'e gettin' there.

232 LoFlyer  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:09:56pm

re: #200 doppelganglander

At the next meet-up I fully expect you to be attired in pirate garb and drinking nothing but grog.

Yaar, no chance! I have to drive back home, unless you would care to drive me' scow and me'! Personally I would love to dress like a pirate, but someone of the same sex would try to hit up on me! Haaar!

233 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:07pm

re: #230 MandyManners

How's it boing, Jorline?

boing?

234 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:10pm

re: #225 Pullus Iulius

NYSE is open on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, though they are typically light trading days. I don't think this is going to be a typical year, though.

Where in the world did I get the idea that it would be closed?!

235 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:10:33pm

re: #229 IslandLibertarian

We are the kids our parents warned us about...........

Yes, we are!

236 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:11:00pm

re: #233 reine.de.tout

boing?

Aw, nutz. I gotta' keep my nails short.

237 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:11:21pm

re: #236 MandyManners

Aw, nutz. I gotta' keep my nails short.

Mandy, would you mind sending me an e-mail? my nic is blue

238 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:11:56pm

re: #221 ArmyWife

Here is some trivia for you -

I have an original Natty Boh ad with Johnny U on it - found it behind a shelf in my very, very old house (not that Johnny U stuff is THAT old)

And I dated his son. Once. That was enough.

oh do tell! :)
You often wonder about kids of famous people..Do they have empathy..or are they like paris hilton...what does that say about the parents..( I don't know about you..but we KNOW kids are an expression of thier parents and everyone judges them so )

239 unclassifiable  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:11:56pm

re: #209 HoosierHoops

I wasn't the one that used the "ugly a**ed uniform" throw back uniform description.

I believe that was a Cowboys fan that said that.

Besides Unitas wore ugly a**ed shoes. Big difference.

240 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:11:56pm

re: #229 IslandLibertarian

We are the kids our parents warned us about...........

Mebbe' we're the parents our kids warned us about.

241 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:12:19pm

re: #226 HoosierHoops

Publish the shrimp recipe Jorline!

Hey, Hoopster.

I sent it to Reine...plus about five other recipes...LOL
I got carried away Sunday afternoon while the Cowboys were stinking up the field.

242 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:12:33pm

re: #237 reine.de.tout

I'd love to but, my ISP does not allow me to send e-mail that way. Hold on a second while I try it again.

243 stevieray  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:12:43pm

re: #180 Cartman

Here ya go! NFL Films, pirates and John Facenda!

Nice! When the Raiders were a fearsome thing to behold.

244 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:13:30pm

re: #241 jorline

Hey, Hoopster.

I sent it to Reine...plus about five other recipes...LOL
I got carried away Sunday afternoon while the Cowboys were stinking up the field.

I got 'em all, and they all look yummy.

245 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:14:03pm

re: #242 MandyManners

I'd love to but, my ISP does not allow me to send e-mail that way. Hold on a second while I try it again.

OK - so click my avatar, the e-mail addy is in my profile info. and you can just type it in.

246 Bobibutu  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:14:28pm

re: #203 MandyManners

Understudy? So, when he was out of the country, would you have been there for Monica?

Depends on your definition of "been there" is. ;-)

247 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:15:44pm

re: #230 MandyManners

How's it boing, Jorline?

I'm well, thanks Mandy...how are you tonight?

Huckabee actually had a pretty good line tonight on H&C's

Why would you allow the person who burnt the Thanksgiving Turkey to prepare Christmas Dinner?
248 JHW  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:15:45pm

re: #196 MandyManners

She appears to be successful at fighting gravity. Her skin is as tight as a snare drum.

She could have saved a lot of money doing it this way instead. Croydon Facelift and

UK slang and celebrity related words with photos, from The Mail online.

249 Palandine  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:15:48pm

re: #234 MandyManners

Where in the world did I get the idea that it would be closed?!

Congress won't be doing any business tomorrow, that might be what you're thinking of.

250 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:16:11pm

re: #239 unclassifiable

I wasn't the one that used the "ugly a**ed uniform" throw back uniform description.

I believe that was a Cowboys fan that said that.

Besides Unitas wore ugly a**ed shoes. Big difference.

When Mr. Unitas passed Peyton Manning asked the NFL if he could wear a pair of those black ugly assed shoes in memory of him for ONE game.
They said no..It really upset Peyton.
I am speechless at the NFL

251 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:16:40pm

re: #165 Palandine

How to put together two weeks of disaster preps

/Not fear mongering, but between hurricanes, gas shortages in the south, fall storms, fires, the possibility of the Cubs winning the series, and other apocalyptic signs, it's always wise to follow the boy (and girl) scout motto

Thanks. I'm extremely interested in this right now, after two days without power after Ike. I've done quite a bit of preparing, going back a year or so, actually; I have both a "bug-out bag", a "sustained survival" setup, and a "We ain't comin' back" aka "doomsday scenario" pack, complete with a list of books to take (think; DIY books and encyclopedias going back to the Fifties and even earlier, basic texts, medical, etc), and a watertight metal footlocker to transport them in in the vehicle.

I'm not an Eighties-style "survivalist", or a paranoid, just an old country boy who grew up with parents who were adults during the Depression, who introduced me to Murphy's Law; Anything That Can Go Wrong Will. I added Ayoob's Corollary to that; S#!t Happens.

For instance, I found out during the blackout that the battery-powered side of my AC/DC radio didn't work. And that one of my kerosene lamps had no wick left that would light. The sort of thing you'd rather not find out when it drops in the pot, as David Drake says.

Two things I never realized I needed until then were a mechanical (non-electric) clock and a wristwatch, preferably self-winding or at least hand-winding, with an actual dial and hands. (It got very tiresome calling my bank for the correct time recording.) And of course, in daylight, if all else fails and you're lost somewhere, the traditional dial watch can be used as an emergency sun compass as long as it's running, more-or-less "on time", and you can see the Sun, even through overcast.

cheers

eon

252 ggt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:16:54pm

Shameless Spin-off Plug or the best reason yet, NOT to vote a Chicago Poltician into the Oval Office: "Cloward-Piven Strategy"

253 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:17:20pm

re: #245 reine.de.tout

OK - so click my avatar, the e-mail addy is in my profile info. and you can just type it in.

Otay!

254 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:18:03pm

re: #244 reine.de.tout

I got 'em all, and they all look yummy.

Grandma's Chicken Climax is surprisingly good....I fixed it for the family last week.

255 unclassifiable  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:18:07pm

re: #250 HoosierHoops

There is a reason they call it the No Fun League.

256 doppelganglander  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:18:32pm

re: #228 MandyManners

There was an EXTREMELY interesting link posted on the DT today.

I didn't see the link, but I assume you're referring to the revelation that Obie was in fact a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. until his Kenyan citizenship expired at age 21. I'm really not sure how a dual citizenship that Obama never sought, that was conferred automatically, and that he made no move to extend when it expired would prevent him from being considered a natural-born citizen. I also think galloping granny is wrong about a child born to two American citizens living abroad being "naturalized" at birth. Maybe the law was different when her daughter was born, but my two children born in Spain have birth certificates issued by the U.S. Consulate at Madrid entitled "Birth of a U.S. Citizen Abroad." They are citizens by birth and eligible for the presidency (although I sincerely hope they never pursue it).

257 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:19:05pm

re: #246 Bobibutu

Depends on your definition of "been there" is. ;-)

Oh, the perfect understudy!

258 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:19:28pm

re: #251 eon

Eon - you did this the hard way. The easy way is to marry someone who is SF. The rest falls into place. ;)

259 Killian Bundy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:19:41pm

re: #223 MandyManners

I thought that the DOW will be closed.

/no, just Congress

260 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:19:48pm

re: #254 jorline

Grandma's Chicken Climax is surprisingly good....I fixed it for the family last week.

I'm looking forward to the Hurb's grilled tilapia.

Young Reine won't eat it.
The Roi is due home Wednesday and that is what I'm fixing for dinner that night.
I

261 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:20:16pm

re: #247 jorline

I just never got Huckabee. I'm sick-and-fucking tired of politicians from Arkansas.

262 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:21:18pm

re: #248 JHW

She could have saved a lot of money doing it this way instead. Croydon Facelift and

UK slang and celebrity related words with photos, from The Mail online.

Would not work on her.

263 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:21:49pm

re: #250 HoosierHoops

Way to sell me down the river there, Unclassifiable. This shall go in the memory file marked "when you least expect it"...

264 JacksonTn  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:21:53pm

re: #214 doppelganglander

Wait, is this guy still pursuing the birth certificate angle? Quixotic doesn't begin to cover it.

Yeah, the guy is crazy but I would still to have Obama have to do something .....anything. I am just sick of him getting away with everything. Just having him to comply with an order to prove anything would be so demeaning for him ......because....... you know he is The One.

265 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:22:25pm

re: #249 Palandine

Congress won't be doing any business tomorrow, that might be what you're thinking of.

THAT'S IT! Thank you!

Now, just wait until CAIR gets it in its pea-brained mind to demand that Congress close for their New Year's day.

266 Palandine  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:23:08pm

re: #251 eon

You're part of the solution. :)

I've been prepping slowly but surely. St. Louis is overdue for the big earthquake, and we get bad storms. I have a 72-hour go bag in the closet. I've got the other preps you mentioned, and others.

I've told trusted friends about my preps, and at first they thought it was a little odd, but when they see things going to hell, they said they admired my preparation.

Hadn't considered the wind-up clock, though. Good idea!

/Palandine makes note for payday

Here's a reciprocal idea--make go bags and emergency kits for holiday presents for friends and loved ones. I made one for a friend's birthday, she put it in her trunk, and actualy has made use of a lot of the emergency items. It also plants the idea of preparation in their mind, so they become part of the solution and aren't out panicking at the grocery store when small scale disasters occur.

267 caboose  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:23:09pm

re: #94 kevinmumaw

"Mr Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae under the outstanding leadership of Mr. Frank Raines...

Rep Maxine Waters (D)
Government Sponsored Enterprises Subcommittee
2004

"Get yer pitchforks 'n torches here! Get yer pitchforks 'n torches here..."
"Tar 'n feathers! Tar n' feathers!"
"Rails 'n ropes 'n running shoes! Package deal on rails 'n ropes 'n running shoes!"
"Black flags, getcher black flags here! Free flag staff with every two ya buy!"

OK, I'm not quite there yet, but be damned if I'm not thinking it...'bout time to clean out the stable of all the s#it that has built up in there...

268 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:23:38pm

re: #255 unclassifiable

There is a reason they call it the No Fun League.

agreed..
But as much as i like to slam the NFL about it's rigidity..
This was a matter of respect and honor for a great man.
Without Johnny U. what would the NFL even be today?
No Respect..
/Cue the godfather music..anybody here sneak a piece into the bathroom?
//Just teasing...
But really no respect for one of the all time greatest football players?
NFL: piss up a rope..

269 unclassifiable  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:24:46pm

re: #263 ArmyWife

You're a Cowboys fan. What did you expect?

270 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:24:47pm

re: #256 doppelganglander

I didn't see the link, but I assume you're referring to the revelation that Obie was in fact a dual citizen of Kenya and the U.S. until his Kenyan citizenship expired at age 21. I'm really not sure how a dual citizenship that Obama never sought, that was conferred automatically, and that he made no move to extend when it expired would prevent him from being considered a natural-born citizen. I also think galloping granny is wrong about a child born to two American citizens living abroad being "naturalized" at birth. Maybe the law was different when her daughter was born, but my two children born in Spain have birth certificates issued by the U.S. Consulate at Madrid entitled "Birth of a U.S. Citizen Abroad." They are citizens by birth and eligible for the presidency (although I sincerely hope they never pursue it).

The dual-citizenship thing is what I recall. It came from BHO's StoptheSmears or something similar.

271 bungie  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:25:18pm

re: #169 JacksonTn

Motion to Dismiss filed by Obama in the Berg case was denied. Is there a lawyer here who can read this and say what the next step is? Will he have to answer the petition now?

[Link: www.obamacrimes.com...]

This Order is not signed or dated by the Judge. Therefore, I can't tell if it it is the Judge's Order or the proposed Order that the lawyer attached to his Plaintiff's Opposition and Brief in support thereof to Defendant's Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's Motion to Dismiss Plaintiff's Complaint Pursuant to Rule 12 (b)(1) and 12 (b)(6).

If the Judge did in fact sign this Order, it means that Plaintiff won, Obama and the DNC lost and they would have to ANSWER the Complaint. I find it highly unusual that the Court would order that discovery be turned over within 3 days and before the ANSWER is required. Normally, you would have 10 days to answer from the denial of the MTD, and 30 days or so from the date Requests for Production are received. In this case, because of the importance of time you would expect that if the lawyers knew what they were doing they would want to proceed by Order to Show Cause or Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) so I'm suspicious about what I've seen so far.

By the way if you print this you get the whole Plaintiff's brief which may be more than you want. . .

Hope this helps.

272 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:25:23pm

re: #259 Killian Bundy

/no, just Congress

I feel like a right-ninny!

273 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #260 reine.de.tout

I'm looking forward to the Hurb's grilled tilapia.

Young Reine won't eat it.
The Roi is due home Wednesday and that is what I'm fixing for dinner that night.
I

It's fast a delicious...don't forget the lime.

BTW..Hurb's is the name of my restaurant.

274 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:27:55pm

re: #271 bungie

This Order is not signed or dated by the Judge. Therefore, I can't tell if it it is the Judge's Order or the proposed Order that the lawyer attached to his Plaintiff's Opposition and Brief in support thereof to Defendant's Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's Motion to Dismiss Plaintiff's Complaint Pursuant to Rule 12 (b)(1) and 12 (b)(6).

I, too, want to see a signature and a time-date stamp.

275 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:19pm

bbiab The Kid has decided he's the boss.

276 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:26pm

re: #252 ggt

Shameless Spin-off Plug or the best reason yet, NOT to vote a Chicago Poltician into the Oval Office: "Cloward-Piven Strategy"

Folks - E-mail that to everyone you know.

277 jorline  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:28:52pm

re: #261 MandyManners

I just never got Huckabee. I'm sick-and-fucking tired of politicians from Arkansas.

LMAO...at least he didn't try to screw the turkey. ;)

278 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:29:15pm

re: #273 jorline

It's fast a delicious...don't forget the lime.

BTW..Hurb's is the name of my restaurant.

was wondering where that came from.
My granddad was Herb. I've never seen it spelled Hurb.

279 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:31:34pm

The Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis
(direct link)

In an earlier post, I noted the liberal record of unmitigated legislative disasters, the latest of which is now being played out in the financial markets before our eyes. Before the 1994 Republican takeover, Democrats had sixty years of virtually unbroken power in Congress - with substantial majorities most of the time. Can a group of smart people, studying issue after issue for years on end, with virtually unlimited resources at their command, not come up with a single policy that works? Why are they chronically incapable?

Why?

One of two things must be true. Either the Democrats are unfathomable idiots, who ignorantly pursue ever more destructive policies despite decades of contrary evidence, or they understand the consequences of their actions and relentlessly carry on anyway because they somehow benefit.

I submit to you they understand the consequences. For many it is simply a practical matter of eliciting votes from a targeted constituency at taxpayer expense; we lose a little, they gain a lot, and the politician keeps his job. But for others, the goal is more malevolent - the failure is deliberate. Don't laugh. This method not only has its proponents, it has a name: the Cloward-Piven Strategy. It describes their agenda, tactics, and long-term strategy.

280 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:32:03pm

re: #238 HoosierHoops

This was quite a while ago, and I was very young. He was older - and if I told what happened, he would know who I was right away on the off chance he is reading this.

I will tell you this - his sister was good friends with a guy who know works for me. While Sister was married, her husband had an affair with the guy who works for me's wife. So what is the normal reaction to this? Janice Ann and guy who works for me have an affair. They all leave their spouses for each other, guy who works for me decides he has a sugar mama, she grows tired of his laziness and now he lives with his mother because he has nothing.

281 HoosierHoops  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:32:06pm

re: #263 ArmyWife

Way to sell me down the river there, Unclassifiable. This shall go in the memory file marked "when you least expect it"...


Hey no prob.. I think you folks are heading to the SuperBowl!

282 Syrah  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:33:17pm

Thanks to RawMuse and Irish Rose I have had some interesting YouTube videos to send off to my friends and coworkers.

Burning down the house.

Hannity - Obama and Fannie Mae

and coworkers.

Good stuff.

283 ggt  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:33:20pm

re: #276 FrogMarch

That flow-chart style graphic is very interesting. I'd like to cut and paste it directly, but I can't seem to.

284 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:33:36pm

re: #258 ArmyWife

Eon - you did this the hard way. The easy way is to marry someone who is SF. The rest falls into place. ;)

I know. The U.S. Army Ranger Handbook and Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical Survival Handbook are two of my "drag bag" books. More recently, I got lucky at a charity groups book and rummage sale at the county fairgrounds just up the street from my place the Saturday after the storm. All books a quarter each. Among the goodies (mostly books on ships, planes, cars, and guns- my fatal weaknesses) were;

Living With Radiation- Fundamentals (vol. 1 and 2)- U.S. Atomic Energy Commission, 1959 (handbooks on dealing with radiation hazards for emergency responders)

Emergency War Surgery (U.S. Army, 1976 edition) -according to my best bud, the E-5, it hasn't changed noticeably since then, he was still using it in Chemical Recon in the late Eighties; and

Traveler's Medical Resource by William W. Forgey, M.D.- an almanac-sized paperback describing the diseases, etc., found in underdeveloped countries, where they may be encountered, what causes them, and what treatments are available. The sort of thing that could easily happen even in this country in a situation of sustained breakdown of public health, water, and/or sanitary systems (think Katrina).

I studied all this in my law-enforcement days (and was tested on it, too), but it never hurts to stay up-to-date. And sometimes, the older manuals are just as useful as the new ones, or even more so.

cheers

eon

285 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:35:22pm

re: #280 ArmyWife

I should proof better - I tried to delete the name. Oh well. Let's hope they aren't lizards.

286 WindHorse  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:36:46pm

re: #285 ArmyWife

omg.... Army Wife, is that you?

/jk

287 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:42:23pm

re: #285 ArmyWife

I should proof better - I tried to delete the name. Oh well. Let's hope they aren't lizards.

ask charles to delete it, if you are concerned.

288 unclassifiable  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:43:49pm

re: #263 ArmyWife

If it is any comfort I'm from Houston and I still can't figure out what sport the Texans are playing.

Cricket?
Soccer?
Field Hockey?

Not sure really. I mean they are wearing football uniforms (and it could be argued they may rival the Oilers in fugly quotient) but other than that I am not clear on their relationship to American professional football. Maybe its the arena league and we just forgot when the season starts and what building we are supposed to be in.

Then again we beat the Cowboys first game out of the box. Not much since then.

/this is much easier than thinking about the financial crud

289 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:45:11pm

re: #286 WindHorse

Yes, yes it is. But I have a paper bag over my head, so its all good.

290 ArmyWife  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:46:14pm

re: #287 reine.de.tout

I am pretty sure I am not the only who was aware of this particular episode of "As Baltimore Turns".

291 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:23pm

re: #59 mama winger

Too individualistic. Must go. Only group sports.

Come now Comrade... all the score is collectively earned and shared by each gang of four as they toil for the glory of their great leader - Woodsky, the Tiger.

292 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:48:33pm

re: #290 ArmyWife

I am pretty sure I am not the only who was aware of this particular episode of "As Baltimore Turns".

LOL!
I worked with a woman who was married, and she had an affair with a married man.
They left their respective spouses and married each other.
Months later, their ex's met each other, formed bonds, and they are now married.

And there are children from all these marriages.

I would hate to be at their house at Christmas.

293 FrogMarch  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:51:23pm

re: #283 ggt

That flow-chart style graphic is very interesting. I'd like to cut and paste it directly, but I can't seem to.

hmmm. I don't know either. Great link though - thanks!

294 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:54:44pm

re: #292 reine.de.tout

LOL!
I worked with a woman who was married, and she had an affair with a married man.
They left their respective spouses and married each other.
Months later, their ex's met each other, formed bonds, and they are now married.

And there are children from all these marriages.

I would hate to be at their house at Christmas.

I'd hate to be the judge.

295 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:56:04pm

re: #294 MandyManners

I'd hate to be the judge.

OH, yeah. There were some problems along those lines, too, with visitation, etc.
Really strange situation.

296 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 7:57:29pm

re: #169 JacksonTn

Motion to Dismiss filed by Obama in the Berg case was denied. Is there a lawyer here who can read this and say what the next step is? Will he have to answer the petition now?

[Link: www.obamacrimes.com...]

That's not a completed order, the order is only on the first page of the motion to deny the request to dismiss. If it were an order the rest of the document would be the decision. Typically in a motion/request for action there is a copy of what the attorneys would like the order from the Judge to look like. In this case that is what this is. The next step is for the Judge in question to decide to dismiss the case or deny the request for dismissal and move forward. Since it is a Federal Case the Judge has already accepted it as a valid case prior to service of Defendant and should there be a denial of the motion to dismiss then there will be a continuance of the action to trial etc.

297 eon  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:01:07pm

re: #266 Palandine

My friends and (distant and few) relatives are the same way. Here in South Central OH, what is generally called "Disaster Preparedness" is what farm people call "What's in the cupboard on the top shelf just in case". I don't know anybody who doesn't have the basics (first aid kits, flashlights, canned food, etc.).

But what bugs me is the people I don't know, who are around me. Here's an example, true story from the afternoon of the windstorm, after power went off;

My best bud, the E-5, and I were going over to his house to pick up some things that his mom needed over at his grandma's house. (She's in her nineties and in failing health.) We turned onto his street, and a bunch of people were standing at the corner. They yelled, "You can't go that way!"

E-5 rolls down the window and asks, "Why?"

Guy responds, "It's blocked, there's a tree limb across the road."

We both look. Twenty yards ahead, there was, in fact, a tree-limb across the street. It was about the size of a backyard basketball hoop stand, had about four feet of leafy green at the top, and was about as thick as my wrist at the butt. Probably weighed, oh, forty pounds, max.

The E-5, who is 42, about 5'10" and considers himself to be overweight if the scale hits 160, got out, picked it up, and dropped it on the curb. As for me, 50, 6'0", 310, and have in the past carried a full 5-gallon steel paint bucket full of coal in each hand several times a day- I stayed behind the wheel, as my assistance was clearly not needed. (Today, we were both humping 45-pound boxes of books while doing the moving to clear the way for the new carpet in his grandma's house.) We drove on, and got where we were going.

The punch line? There were about a dozen people standing there, at least eight of them guys, mostly over 180 to 200, twenties or thirties age-wise, none really fat, who should have been able to move that twig in about five seconds flat. Instead, they were all frantically dialing 9-1-1 on their freaking cellphones trying to get the police, or fire department, or somebody to come and move the sucker for them.

I'm betting- in fact, hoping- that the operators were telling them that there were more important things the first responders had to deal with, like downed electric lines, several fires, at least a couple of people hit by lightning that I know of, etc. And were hanging up on them.

When the E-5 tossed the twig on the curb, they all just stood there with their mouths open. One actually said, "You mean, you can do that?"

The "progressives" wanted to turn us into a nation of easily-led sheep. I'm afraid they've turned us into a nation of useless sissies.

Except for safety personnel, the military, their dependents, and Lizards.

The question is, how long before the rest of these pampered pets have to man up, or buy the farm?

cheers

eon

298 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:02:04pm

I have a hunch that if the Dems let the bill fail deliberately they are going to do their best to paint the GOP with the brush of it's failure... There's a lot of people who are now paying severely close attention though and hopefully a whole bunch of incumbents on both sides will bite the dust this election... There's enough blame to pass around everywhere for the "crisis" and in the end the Dems will come off the worst for it overall, not so much for their large part of the blame but rather for their absolute inability to do anything resembling a constructive attempt to "fix" the problem etc...

299 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:06:08pm

re: #296 anotherindyfilmguy

Just to correct ich...
If it were an order the order might be on the back page of the document with the first part being the decision/opinion of the court etc. That part can vary by court/whether or not a decision is published with the order.

300 MandyManners  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:17:41pm

Eep. I cannot believe I missed the next thread.

301 Marvo76  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:36:58pm

re: #115 kevinmumaw

I wouldn't doubt. I will say it, Maxine waters is the, how shall I put this...least intelligent member of congress, in the history of congress. She threatened to nationalize the oil industry, except she didn't know the word nationalize, after stuttering about for a few seconds, she settled on "take over", and I heard her use the word securitize with Neil Cavuto last week. Securitize. For some odd reason, spell checker says that is not a word.

Uhm I have to disagree, the bitch from down south, ( I can't think of her name) but she was in the news quite a bit before they voted her out. She is a good candidate...

302 Marvo76  Mon, Sep 29, 2008 8:39:46pm

re: #297 eon

My friends and (distant and few) relatives are the same way. Here in South Central OH, what is generally called "Disaster Preparedness" is what farm people call "What's in the cupboard on the top shelf just in case". I don't know anybody who doesn't have the basics (first aid kits, flashlights, canned food, etc.).

But what bugs me is the people I don't know, who are around me. Here's an example, true story from the afternoon of the windstorm, after power went off;

My best bud, the E-5, and I were going over to his house to pick up some things that his mom needed over at his grandma's house. (She's in her nineties and in failing health.) We turned onto his street, and a bunch of people were standing at the corner. They yelled, "You can't go that way!"

E-5 rolls down the window and asks, "Why?"

Guy responds, "It's blocked, there's a tree limb across the road."

We both look. Twenty yards ahead, there was, in fact, a tree-limb across the street. It was about the size of a backyard basketball hoop stand, had about four feet of leafy green at the top, and was about as thick as my wrist at the butt. Probably weighed, oh, forty pounds, max.

The E-5, who is 42, about 5'10" and considers himself to be overweight if the scale hits 160, got out, picked it up, and dropped it on the curb. As for me, 50, 6'0", 310, and have in the past carried a full 5-gallon steel paint bucket full of coal in each hand several times a day- I stayed behind the wheel, as my assistance was clearly not needed. (Today, we were both humping 45-pound boxes of books while doing the moving to clear the way for the new carpet in his grandma's house.) We drove on, and got where we were going.

The punch line? There were about a dozen people standing there, at least eight of them guys, mostly over 180 to 200, twenties or thirties age-wise, none really fat, who should have been able to move that twig in about five seconds flat. Instead, they were all frantically dialing 9-1-1 on their freaking cellphones trying to get the police, or fire department, or somebody to come and move the sucker for them.

I'm betting- in fact, hoping- that the operators were telling them that there were more important things the first responders had to deal with, like downed electric lines, several fires, at least a couple of people hit by lightning that I know of, etc. And were hanging up on them.

When the E-5 tossed the twig on the curb, they all just stood there with their mouths open. One actually said, "You mean, you can do that?"

The "progressives" wanted to turn us into a nation of easily-led sheep. I'm afraid they've turned us into a nation of useless sissies.

Except for safety personnel, the military, their dependents, and Lizards.

The question is, how long before the rest of these pampered pets have to man up, or buy the farm?

cheers

eon

they have just never had to make do, Some of these folks have so little commmon sense that they couldn't pour piss from a boot if directions were marked on the heel...

303 Death from Above  Tue, Sep 30, 2008 5:40:13am

I realize that this from last night but I thought I would respond anyway. Field turf is artificial grass w/ a crushed rubber (extremely fine too) base spread around. It allows cleats to react more like real grass (slipping) reducing the fiction that caused alot of knee and ankle blowouts. It also is softer to land on then regularly grass. The positives seem to be less injuries and actually much less maintenance then regular grass. The downside is that it is extremely expensive to install initially. Live is supposedly 20 yrs. I know a lot of high schools are putting it in and they don't usually do things unless it reduces overall operating $ or liability.


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