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Zombie: Barack Obama's Close Encounter with the Weather Underground

Politics | Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:55:08 pm PDT

Zombie has a huge new report, digging into Barack Obama’s mysterious years at Columbia University and his involvement in the anti-apartheid movement—which brought him into close contact with the Weather Underground. Would you be surprised to learn that Obama, Bill Ayers, and Bernardine Dohrn all happened to live in New York City at the same time? And could a little-known violent incident at Kennedy Airport in 1981 be the original connection between Obama and Ayers’ Weather Underground?

This report has a surprising amount of information you probably haven’t seen before, because the mainstream media won’t do their jobs and investigate Obama’s past: Barack Obama’s Close Encounter with the Weather Underground.

Includes MP3 audio of Obama discussing his infatuation with Marxist intellectuals and socialism:

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1 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:56:19pm

I know, I know, it's not quite finished. I'll complete the ending later tonight!

2 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:56:35pm

Surprise!

3 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:56:36pm

Send this to the McCain Campaign.

4 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:57:27pm

And DO listen to those mp3s! It's Obama's own voice saying

"...Political discussions, the kind that at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."

and

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. "

5 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:57:55pm

Interesting audio - no southern accent?

Barry - you are a fraud.

6 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:58:16pm

I want to hear that "socialist conferences" bit on the radio tomorrow! Do your job: Email to Rush, etc.!

7 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:58:23pm

Wow goo Zombie! wonderful.

8 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:58:39pm

Its just a shame Zombie hasnt been able to dig up the vid of the Obama toast to Khalidi. I know Zombie can pull rabbits out of hats but I think the Khalidi rabbit is firmly stuck under the arse of the LAT

9 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:58:42pm

re: #4 zombie

zombie, I stand in awe in your virtual presence!

10 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:58:46pm

re: #1 zombie

I know, I know, it's not quite finished. I'll complete the ending later tonight!

You are an absolute gem.

11 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:59:29pm

Zombie,

I will gladly give up part of my brain for you as sustenance to continue your tireless efforts.

12 babes  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:59:42pm

oh zombie - you have done it again.... will read it all tomorrow .... got to get some sleep now.

Terrific work, zombie, as you always do!

13 bosforus  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 8:59:43pm

re: #3 Noam Sayin'

Send this to the McCain Campaign.

If they have any brains they'll be monitoring blogs for stuff like this every second between now and election. If.

14 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:00:07pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Its just a shame Zombie hasnt been able to dig up the vid of the Obama toast to Khalidi. I know Zombie can pull rabbits out of hats but I think the Khalidi rabbit is firmly stuck under the arse of the LAT

No way will I be able to get that. I'm quite sure there's only one copy, and it's in the LA Times' safe deposit box.

15 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:00:11pm

re: #4 zombie

And DO listen to those mp3s! It's Obama's own voice saying

"...Political discussions, the kind that at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."

and

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. "

No wonder his friends don't talk about him.

16 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:00:25pm

It's a Zombie Nation!

Woo!

17 MandyManners  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:00:39pm

GREAT JOB, ZOMBIE!

18 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:00:41pm
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets.

you gotta let me finish.........

Um ah the foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets, um yup, like I dont associate with any of dem coz, like they associate with Willy Ayers, who I dont know"

19 sngnsgt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:00:54pm

re: #13 bosforus

Especially LFG. (Or at least they should be.)

20 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:01:03pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Its just a shame Zombie hasnt been able to dig up the vid of the Obama toast to Khalidi. I know Zombie can pull rabbits out of hats but I think the Khalidi rabbit is firmly stuck under the arse of the LAT

Well, a shitload of people just got laid off from the LAT. If any of them know of it or have a copy, and were not paid "hush money" to go quietly on Firing Day, we just might get a "leak."


Otherwise, yes.. no chance in hell of seeing that video unedited.

21 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:01:22pm

re: #12 babes

oh zombie - you have done it again.... will read it all tomorrow .... got to get some sleep now.

Terrific work, zombie, as you always do!

Reading it will PUT you to sleep, that's for sure.

If the essay can't be summarized in a five-second sound bite, it won't take hold. This needs a five-MINUTE sound bite just to summarize the basics.

22 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:01:43pm

re: #18 A Kiwi Infidel

just people i walked by in thee neighbor-hood

23 A Kiwi Infidel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:01:45pm

bbl

24 Womball  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:01:46pm

Ohh more Red Meat! I wonder if Drudge will pick this up.

25 Jamie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:01:54pm

Oy gevalt:

I may have never found proof that Obama was at JFK Airport on September 26, 1981, when Weather Underground terrorists blinded an innocent man, but neither did I uncover any evidence to suggest he could not have been there, or was even unlikely to have been there. In fact, quite the opposite: all the facts point in the direction that he could very likely have been at the protest. But primarily because very little is known about that period in Obama's life, we may never find out the real story.

Zombie, I love your protest photos and how you document the Jew-hating moonbattery operating under the guise of pro-Palestinian activism, but the above quote from your report is a disappointment. Obama was in the country's most populous city at the same time as Ayres & Co., so we can infer from this that he might have been at JFK when they terrorized people there? I mean, my bubby was in NYC at that time too, and there's as credible a link to her participation in the attacks.

26 Attaboid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:02:08pm
Marxist friends and idols.


Oh my.

27 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:02:13pm

Awesome!

28 Billy Hank  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:02:16pm

[Link: rightwingnews.com...]

1 B4 11 04

29 Gearhead  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:02:28pm

"...Marxist professors..."

Careful, Zombie, Biden might ban you.

30 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:02:40pm

Nice work Zombie!

31 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:03:22pm

I wonder if his friends would describe him as:

a. Zelig
b. Zelig or
c. Conniving Zelig?

32 Typicalwhitey  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:03:30pm

Just emailed to Rush and Drudge.

33 hermeneutics  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:03pm

... punk rock performance poets?

34 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:03pm

Zombie,

You must prepare your Zomblog Zombie Hamsters, for they will be tested this week. Keep some extra brains handy for their hungry zombie hamster mouths.

35 ciaospirit  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:06pm

re: #4 zombie

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. "

Wow. Just wow.

36 nigella  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:13pm

Wow! Thanks Zombie and your lizard helpers. What a twisted road this man has taken. To think he maybe become the most powerful man in the World if terrifying.

37 mikalm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:16pm

Z, if this stuff, along with your other work, gets enough attention outside the blogosphere, you could do for this election what the Big Lizard did with the Throbbing Memo.

Once again, I am deeply impressed by your investigative skills, and am sorry that because of your unique role, we'll probably never meet to swap stories over some beers. :-(

38 krycek  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:31pm

Obama is a poor excuse for a senator. In a sane world he would be a laughing stock outside of his commie professor circle.

39 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:35pm

re: #25 Jamie

Oy gevalt:

Zombie, I love your protest photos and how you document the Jew-hating moonbattery operating under the guise of pro-Palestinian activism, but the above quote from your report is a disappointment. Obama was in the country's most populous city at the same time as Ayres & Co., so we can infer from this that he might have been at JFK when they terrorized people there? I mean, my bubby was in NYC at that time too, and there's as credible a link to her participation in the attacks.

I fully understand that it's a disappointment -- I didn't have the time and resources to really go to town on this. But read the essay - -I make a fairly decent case that he might have been there, and even if he wasn't he certainly knew about the incident -- which means he was plenty familiar with the Weather Underground way back when he was 20. Whcih means he's a liar.

40 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:52pm

Its a very good thing that no one knows who you are or if you are male or female because one day, godforbid if he is elected, you will be high on his shit list.

41 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:04:57pm

Before I listen, I just want to say: ZOMBIE, YOU ARE FREAKIN' AWESOME.

That is all.

42 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:05:04pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

Its just a shame Zombie hasnt been able to dig up the vid of the Obama toast to Khalidi. I know Zombie can pull rabbits out of hats but I think the Khalidi rabbit is firmly stuck under the arse of the LAT

We may not need that tape. We have Obama himself on tape here. All Joe Wurzelbacher and Sarah Palin have to do is play the MP3 and then ask America if they like what they heard. The anwser will be a resounding "Hell No!"

43 Womball  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:05:26pm

Is there a backup of this essay in case it suddenly disappears? I have a feeling it will take a while to read so I will check it out tomorrow.

44 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:05:44pm

re: #39 zombie

I fully understand that it's a disappointment -- I didn't have the time and resources to really go to town on this. But read the essay - -I make a fairly decent case that he might have been there, and even if he wasn't he certainly knew about the incident -- which means he was plenty familiar with the Weather Underground way back when he was 20. Whcih means he's a liar.

Exactly.

45 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:06:27pm

John McCain needs to use this on a TV ad for sure, with pix of all his terror type associations - which are just about everyone he knows with the exception of oprah. lol

46 razorbacker  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:06:40pm

re: #43 Womball

Is there a backup of this essay in case it suddenly disappears? I have a feeling it will take a while to read so I will check it out tomorrow.

I believe that you will find this in one of his two autobios as well.

47 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:06:48pm

re: #40 Teacake!

Its a very good thing that no one knows who you are or if you are male or female because one day, godforbid if he is elected, you will be high on his shit list.

Indeed.

I worry about his minions more, myself.

Zombie can take care of itself, I'm sure (:

48 mikalm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:06:59pm

re: #33 hermeneutics

... punk rock performance poets?

I was an actual punk rocker at that time, but I despised the pretentious artistes in the scene who used it to grind their own aesthetic or ideological axes. Had BO been part of the L.A. rather than N.Y. punk world, I'm sure I would have instantly dismissed him as a condescending, effete poseur.

49 Desert Dog  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:07:08pm

I hope this, along with his other verbal faux pas lately will be enough. It is becoming clear to some people that Obama is not what he is projecting himself to be. That has been crystal clear around LGF since he began his campaign.

If he somehow gets in, does anyone think the American people will be able to digest the tsunami of crap that will flow out of Washington DC?

50 conservativeChick  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:07:16pm

We are so F*cked if he is elected. Why in the hell did we allow this Marxist scum to become so close to be the president this United States?

51 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:07:20pm

zombie, you are simply frickn amazing- John, Sarah, are you reading tonight?

52 laZardo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:07:21pm

I had a dream a few days ago where zombie was ostracized from general society or outlawed outright. Everyone knew [insert zombie's gender here] nom-de-guerre but nobody know where [izgh] was.

Curiously, I went about my own business, not actually scared, just unsettled during that subconscious imagining...

53 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:08:00pm

re: #37 mikalm

Z, if this stuff, along with your other work, gets enough attention outside the blogosphere, you could do for this election what the Big Lizard did with the Throbbing Memo.

Once again, I am deeply impressed by your investigative skills, and am sorry that because of your unique role, we'll probably never meet to swap stories over some beers. :-(

Sorry about the beers!

But don't get too excited about this people -- it's no smoking gun. If I had the goods on Obama, I would have trumpeted that right up top and dispensed with the rest.

Obama has completely covered up his Columbia years, and successfully so. But the reason I think he did that is because he in fact was involved with Ayers and the Weather Underground crowd.

My problem is I can't prove it -- I can only insinuate. Which is supremely frustrating.

54 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:08:00pm

Get this to the PUMAS, too.

55 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:08:27pm

re: #1 zombie

Thanks, Zombie! I haven't even read it yet but it's already e-mailed to my Republican activist friend in Tennessee. Going to check it out now.

56 Womball  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:08:30pm

His? I thought Zombie was a She.

57 mikalm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:08:40pm

re: #52 laZardo

Laz, you spend too much time on LGF! :-)

58 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:08:56pm

re: #43 Womball

Is there a backup of this essay in case it suddenly disappears? I have a feeling it will take a while to read so I will check it out tomorrow.

it ain't going nowhere.

59 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:09:00pm

This would explain why Ayers tapped Obama to head up the CAC.

60 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:09:21pm

re: #19 sngnsgt

Especially LFG. (Or at least they should be.)

And LGF! : )
/

61 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:09:53pm

Zombie, I think you might just be the best investigative journalist in the world right now. And that's not hyperbole.

62 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:09:55pm

re: #53 zombie

Sorry about the beers!

But don't get too excited about this people -- it's no smoking gun. If I had the goods on Obama, I would have trumpeted that right up top and dispensed with the rest.

Obama has completely covered up his Columbia years, and successfully so. But the reason I think he did that is because he in fact was involved with Ayers and the Weather Underground crowd.

My problem is I can't prove it -- I can only insinuate. Which is supremely frustrating.

That's okay Zombie,

You are reporter, and the facts are the facts. You are a CSI, and even though you might know something to be true, but as a reporter, you can only present what you have.

Hmmm... that illustrates a stark difference between real reporters like yourself, and that of the MSM!

63 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:10:07pm

re: #53 zombie

It's good stuff, no proof but to close for comfort.

64 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:10:10pm

(Trying to stay positive)

We need to get this info out there, when all the MSM is basically the PR division of the 0bama campaign.

65 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:10:15pm

re: #56 Womball

His? I thought Zombie was a She.

It.

66 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:10:27pm

re: #48 mikalm

I was an actual punk rocker at that time, but I despised the pretentious artistes in the scene who used it to grind their own aesthetic or ideological axes. Had BO been part of the L.A. rather than N.Y. punk world, I'm sure I would have instantly dismissed him as a condescending, effete poseur.

He actually WAS in LA at that time -- he's referring to being at Occidental College, in LA. In '79 - '80.

67 bcgirl  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:10:33pm

re: #57 mikalm

Laz, you spend too much time on LGF! :-)


as do we all by choice

68 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:11:29pm

Great work, Zombie. Have you any clues about the BLA (Black Liberation Army)? Answers to these questions are hard to find.

69 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:11:29pm

Zombie is a true American hero. There's so much in that report that I cannot read it tonight, but damn!

This may be right up there with the throbbing memo.

70 Russkilitlover  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:11:45pm

re: #25 Jamie

Oy gevalt:

Zombie, I love your protest photos and how you document the Jew-hating moonbattery operating under the guise of pro-Palestinian activism, but the above quote from your report is a disappointment. Obama was in the country's most populous city at the same time as Ayres & Co., so we can infer from this that he might have been at JFK when they terrorized people there? I mean, my bubby was in NYC at that time too, and there's as credible a link to her participation in the attacks.

Zombie is connecting a heck of a lot of Obama dots. We have less than a week before a major CHANGELING election, now is not the time to go all FBI-ish and stick your head in the sand.

71 Dasher  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:11:49pm

Can we nominate Zombie for a Pulitzer?

Doing the work others refuse to do. OMG Zombie are you an illegal.

72 laZardo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:12:05pm

re: #57 mikalm

re: #67 bcgirl

Too much for my own good. =_= And I thought I was paranoid back when I was an eco-greenie...

73 nigella  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:12:11pm

The key here is that Zombie and lizard helpers laid the ground work here. It's possible it could be picked up by someone who has better access or resources to find the link. Great work !

74 SteveC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:12:46pm

To quote a popular poetry team from the early 1990's:

Whoomp! There it is!

Zombie's in the house, let's PAR-TAY!

(To be serious for just a moment, Nice work, as usual!)

75 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:12:51pm

re: #61 Jimmy the Notable

Zombie, I think you might just be the best investigative journalist in the world right now. And that's not hyperbole.

All credit goes to my LGF helpers!:

"This report would not have been possible without the outstanding research contributed by quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev."

And that's no joke! THANK YOU to quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev!

76 laZardo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:12:58pm

re: #65 astronmr20

Zombie's a hermaphrodite?

77 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:13:11pm

But he was only 8 years old!
/

78 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:13:19pm

Someone somewhere must have a relative who went to school with them and have pix.... craigslist for finding them? lol
All they have to do is scan and send the pix - if you're out there, sos.

79 mikalm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:13:36pm

re: #66 zombie

Wow! I'm ten months older than BO, so if he was into this sort of thing at the time, it's very possible we crossed paths.

80 non-lib Nina  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:14:01pm

Wow Zombie, Man you are awesome!

81 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:14:02pm

re: #68 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Great work, Zombie. Have you any clues about the BLA (Black Liberation Army)? Answers to these questions are hard to find.

I got tons of info on the BLA, but it's a peripheral issue to the report, so I left it out.

82 Russkilitlover  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:14:42pm

re: #75 zombie

All credit goes to my LGF helpers!:

"This report would not have been possible without the outstanding research contributed by quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev."

And that's no joke! THANK YOU to quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev!

A huge THANK YOU to all of you!

83 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:15:24pm

re: #75 zombie

All credit goes to my LGF helpers!:

"This report would not have been possible without the outstanding research contributed by quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev."

And that's no joke! THANK YOU to quickjustice, Irene NYC, Toasty, and Chicken Kiev!

Alright, then. Thanks to those folks as well! But what is an investigative journalist without sources?

84 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:16:24pm

re: #69 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Zombie is a true American hero. There's so much in that report that I cannot read it tonight, but damn!

This may be right up there with the throbbing memo.

No no no! My report is too long, complcated and convoluted! The throbbing memo was as concise and elegant as humanly possible!

Long, convoluted theories don't get traction. If I had wanted to produce a game-changer, I would have needed to find that "gotcha!' evidence. Which I couldn't find.

85 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:16:49pm

He must have made quite a few enemies along the way, too bad who ever they are aren't helping air his dirty laundry. Its just plain creepy that he has so much to hide and no one in the mainstream media will admit the emperor has no clothes or challenge all this secrecy.

Michelle too must have a ton of enemies along the way. Where are these people?

86 non-lib Nina  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:16:54pm

re: #69 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I really loved the throbbing memo. :)

87 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:17:24pm

Bottom line:

For Barry to say he had no idea who Bill Ayers was, or what the Weather Underground was up to, is pure BULLSHIT.

He knew.

88 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:17:25pm

Remember back when Clinton's "draft-dodging" was the sin of the day?

Now we have this. How have we gotten here?

89 SteveC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:17:29pm

re: #48 mikalm

Had BO been part of the L.A. rather than N.Y. punk world, I'm sure I would have instantly dismissed him as a condescending, effete poseur.

So you're saying that L.A. proved too much for the man?

90 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:17:40pm

re: #4 zombie

And DO listen to those mp3s! It's Obama's own voice saying

"...Political discussions, the kind that at Occidental had once seemed so intense and purposeful, came to take on the flavor of the socialist conferences I sometimes attended at Cooper Union."

and

"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. "

If an ad with this audio doesn't do it, then God Bless the Republic.

91 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:17:49pm

Kudos to you, Zombie.

I am continually amazed by the blatantly obvious attempt by Obama, which seems to have informed his entire adult life, to prove his blackness and his radical credentials, and to dissociate himself from the white mother and white grandparents who raised him and gave him all his early advantages in life, when his father abandoned him. I would just love to have been a fly on the wall when the fact accidentally fell out when he was with his buddies that he was half white, and raised in Hawaii. Look at his life: he chose to live a lie. Wonderful presidential material, even overlooking his chosen political leanings.

92 ted  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:17:59pm

J'accuse !

93 calcajun  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:10pm

Just keep asking this question:

Ask your liberal friend and/or undecided friends who do they trust:
The one who had hung with Communists or,
The one who was hung by Communists?

Easy choice for most of us.

94 Penguinchic  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:14pm

I know that the connection goes back to the Columbia years, and I keep seeing a couple of degrees of separation and can't seem to find the connection. It seems like a lot of people see it, just can't find the one piece to make connection of who would have known both of them.

95 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:22pm

re: #73 nigella

The key here is that Zombie and lizard helpers laid the ground work here. It's possible it could be picked up by someone who has better access or resources to find the link. Great work !

YES!

That is one the key points!

I couldn't find the smoking gun, but if this gets out there -- maybe it will inspire someone else to produce that smoking gun.

96 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:35pm

re: #84 zombie

.I would have needed to find that "gotcha!' evidence. Which I couldn't find.

Well done Zombie. And how right you are. This will not be a "gotcha" election but a gut check.

Obama will raise all of your taxes. ALL OF YOU.

97 seagreenroom  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:37pm

Just want to say thanks, Zombie. These are dark times and it's easy to get down, but you inspire us with your energy and dedication to tracking down the truth.

Keep up the good work!

98 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:53pm

re: #79 mikalm

Wow! I'm ten months older than BO, so if he was into this sort of thing at the time, it's very possible we crossed paths.

Did you per chance see an out-of-place-looking skinny kid with big ears hanging around?

99 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:57pm

ore: #39 zombie
Just more spectaculor work zombie. Thank you.
Uh, do you think that you should say in your final report that Obama certainly knew the Weather Underground when he was 20 and is therefore lying about that and possibly - if not probably - lying about knowing Billy Ayers then too?

100 mikalm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:18:57pm

re: #89 SteveC

He's leaving on that midnight train to Columbia!

101 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:19:11pm

re: #84 zombie

No no no! My report is too long, complcated and convoluted! The throbbing memo was as concise and elegant as humanly possible!

Long, convoluted theories don't get traction. If I had wanted to produce a game-changer, I would have needed to find that "gotcha!' evidence. Which I couldn't find.

It's called field craft in the spook trade. The KGB ran lots of ops in the US, they gave training to a lot of people on keeping low profiles and not leaving tracks. That type of training, may not of been directly given to Obama or Ayers, but they would have been exposed to it second hand in their circles.

It's not surprising the lack of a trail.

102 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:19:16pm

These are not the socialist conferences I knew... er, had nothing whatsoever to do with!

103 I Need A Bigger Gun  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:19:30pm

Fabulous work, Zombie! I just hope that all of your hard work isn't in vain. But (G-d forbid) in case little O gets elected this time, we can use this stuff against him in 2012, only we get to start a LOT earlier! But again, I hope we won't need it in 2012...

104 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:20:02pm

Also, people, I encourage you to give me constructive criticism here -- I will be fixing this and updating it all night long, so if you want to put your two cents in, this is your chance. The essay is still malleable!

And also, as you will see at the bottom, it's not finished. A big conclusion will be added.

So sock it to me!

105 non-lib Nina  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:20:18pm

re: #88 astronmr20

Remember back when Clinton's "draft-dodging" was the sin of the day?

Now we have this. How have we gotten here?

Because Clinton was not as dangerous as BHO, like comparing a worm to a viper.

106 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:20:24pm

Somewhere out there are pictures of Bill Ayers and Barry Obama together prior to 2000.

107 laZardo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:20:30pm
"I chose my friends carefully...like the punk-rock performance poets."

That's what my youngest brother is, and he was surprised with the lyrics that I - ever the New Waver - could come up with for his band that he's starting.

108 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:20:32pm

re: #53 zombie

Sorry about the beers!

But don't get too excited about this people -- it's no smoking gun. If I had the goods on Obama, I would have trumpeted that right up top and dispensed with the rest.

Obama has completely covered up his Columbia years, and successfully so. But the reason I think he did that is because he in fact was involved with Ayers and the Weather Underground crowd.

My problem is I can't prove it -- I can only insinuate. Which is supremely frustrating.

But you do such a nice job of tying the web together so that it doesn't seem far fetched at all that it could in fact have happened. Circumstance is there and that is more than most have on anyone. Trials have been won on less circumstancial evidence. Lets see if elections can be won this way too!

109 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:20:44pm

re: #53 zombie


My problem is I can't prove it -- I can only insinuate. Which is supremely frustrating.

No need to prove it at this point.

Just raise doubt. There is plenty to doubt.

110 astronmr20  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:20:47pm

re: #105 non-lib Nina

Because Clinton was not as dangerous as BHO, like comparing a worm to a viper.

Exactly my point.

111 Tarkus289  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:21:05pm

re: #87 Racer X

It was always bullshit, I'm his age and I knew about them then, including when I was 8 years old, I was reminded of them in 1981 when the Brinks job went down 1 mile away from where I was working at the time. I rarely hear about that anymore, 2 dead police officers and one dead Brinks guard.

R.I.P.

112 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:21:22pm

Is the rumor out there that the Times won't release the tape because Ayers might be at the table?

Thing I'm getting from seeing lefty comments and such is that they don't care about Ayers or that O lies.

113 SteveC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:21:48pm

re: #56 Womball

His? I thought Zombie was a She.

Zombie walks in shadow, moves in silence, our first, last, and best line of defense! :)

114 Davida  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:22:20pm

Wow....
He really is putting on an act with his 'accent' these days isn't he?
That creeps me out on SO many levels.

115 Opilio  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:22:34pm

re: #56 Womball

His? I thought Zombie was a She.

He is.

116 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:22:36pm

re: #104 zombie
OK - please see my #99!

117 Seagreenroom  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:22:45pm

re: #106 Racer X

Somewhere out there are pictures of Bill Ayers and Barry Obama together prior to 2000.

Somewhere out there is a picture of Barry burning an American flag.

We just have to find it.

118 non-lib Nina  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:22:54pm

re: #110 astronmr20

Exactly my point.

And BHO is about as poisonous as they come.

119 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:23:05pm

This essay was originally inspired by a short posting on the Just One Minute blog; I originally intended to link to it, but, mysteriously, as of this writing, the site has been knocked offline. Very odd.

Don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but the Just One Minute blog is working for me now.

120 Karridine  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:23:10pm

re: #103 I Need A Bigger Gun

Fabulous work, Zombie! I just hope that all of your hard work isn't in vain. But (G-d forbid) in case little O gets elected this time, we can use this stuff against him in 2012, only we get to start a LOT earlier! But again, I hope we won't need it in 2012...

And you're actually thinking America would hold elections in 2012? AFTER ELECTING Obama?

/bwahahahaha!
Hoo, boy, do YOU have another think a'coming!

121 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:23:27pm

re: #99 realwest

o
Just more spectaculor work zombie. Thank you.
Uh, do you think that you should say in your final report that Obama certainly knew the Weather Underground when he was 20 and is therefore lying about that and possibly - if not probably - lying about knowing Billy Ayers then too?

I will try to do so.

122 calcajun  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:23:49pm

re: #104 zombie

Also, people, I encourage you to give me constructive criticism here -- I will be fixing this and updating it all night long, so if you want to put your two cents in, this is your chance. The essay is still malleable!

And also, as you will see at the bottom, it's not finished. A big conclusion will be added.

So sock it to me!

It's not as devastating as the Swiftboat ads from four years ago. But it is good and it continues to hit him on the issue of his truthfulness on his past relations. If Ayres is "reformed" why won't he talk?

123 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:23:50pm

re: #88 astronmr20

Remember back when Clinton's "draft-dodging" was the sin of the day?

Now we have this. How have we gotten here?

Well, we went from Clinton, who as you said, hid out at Oxford, to John "Reporting For Duty" Kerry who was a major anti-war figure, to 0bama, whose close associates were blowing stuff up and rooting for the Communist victory.

Not so much how the country has gotten here, but how the Democrats have gotten here?

124 TheConservator  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:24:16pm

By an amazing coincidence, I attended Columbia from August 1981 to approximately June 1982, working toward a masters degree in medieval canon law. My wife worked in the rare book room in the main library; I spent virtually all my time not in class (or playing chess at the Manhattan chess club) studying in that library.

Not that I remember running into Obama or anything. I don't think he had an interest in medieval canon law.

125 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:24:21pm

BTW, HillBuzz is absolutely on fire these days. Some really worthwhile posts, a number of which have been linked upstairs.

126 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:24:24pm

re: #112 Teacake!

Is the rumor out there that the Times won't release the tape because Ayers might be at the table?

Thing I'm getting from seeing lefty comments and such is that they don't care about Ayers or that O lies.

Exactly!

Some are saying Khalidi received support from a foundation McCain belonged to so that nulls out the L.A. Times video. It does not - especially if the video has Ayers and Obama together on it.

127 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:24:25pm

re: #109 faraway

No need to prove it at this point.

Just raise doubt. There is plenty to doubt.

that sounds too much like "the nature of the charges" that Dems love to bandy about.

Zombie has stated quite clearly, I think, that this is an essay that simply puts the two together.

128 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:24:40pm

Zombie, my only suggestion is to emphasize less what you did NOT find and to stop apologizing for it, I think the apologies weaken the impact. It is enough to show that BO is hiding his past, making contradictory statements about the formative years of his career, and ran in very questionable circles, with which he remained in close philosophical and physical proximity right up to the present day. Emphasize that this is a man trying to deny his past without explicitly refuting any of it. Doesn't matter if he participated in the airport attack; the rest of what you show is enough.

129 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:24:48pm

re: #114 Davida

Wow....
He really is putting on an act with his 'accent' these days isn't he?
That creeps me out on SO many levels.

Dude is a fraud.

130 Dasher  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:25:18pm

re: #96 experiencedtraveller

Well done Zombie. And how right you are. This will not be a "gotcha" election but a gut check.

Obama will raise all of your taxes. ALL OF YOU.



Its not the taxes I am worried about! It is the thugocracy I worry about.

131 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:25:20pm

re: #115 Opilio

He is.

It's a San Francisco thing. Really.

132 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:25:33pm

re: #116 realwest

OK - please see my #99!

Got it!

133 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:26:15pm

re: #106 Racer X
Nope I don't think there are photos of Billy Ayers and Barack Obama out there - it is certainly possible that Obama DIDN'T know Ayers back in the day.
And Ayers was, as was his ever so charming murder wife, Bernadine Dorhn, obviously publicity shy - he WAS on the run from the FBI for what 20+ years and I doubt very seriously that he'd have let himself be photo'd with anyone at all.

134 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:26:19pm

re: #13 bosforus

If they have any brains they'll be monitoring blogs for stuff like this every second between now and election. If.

Reminds me of when I was watching Greta (FOXNews) interviewing Todd Palin, and he mentioned that some blogs had been supportive of his wife before she was selected. I can only presume to have been a part of that here at LGF, and we should all be proud.

135 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:26:32pm

re: #119 gop_patriot

Don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but the Just One Minute blog is working for me now.

Oooh, thanks. I will fix that. It was offline for 48 hours. I thought the Obama Truth Squad had targeted him.

136 soccerdad  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:27:13pm

Need some help Lizards. I'm thinking of working the polls here in Chester County, PA and handing out a flyer, but need ideas. I was thinking of making up one that has b-a-r-a-c-k O-b-a-m-a vertically down the left hand side of the paper, and a brief anti-obama statement that begins with each of the letters of his name. For instance, the B would be: Bill Ayers, domestic terrorist and His friend.

Can I get some Lizard help with ideas for the other letters? Short and sweet...a point for each letter.

Thanks in advance

137 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:27:19pm

re: #124 TheConservator

By an amazing coincidence, I attended Columbia from August 1981 to approximately June 1982, working toward a masters degree in medieval canon law. My wife worked in the rare book room in the main library; I spent virtually all my time not in class (or playing chess at the Manhattan chess club) studying in that library.

Not that I remember running into Obama or anything. I don't think he had an interest in medieval canon law.

Now medieval cannons is something I could get into........

138 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:27:29pm

re: #84 zombie

No no no! My report is too long, complcated and convoluted! The throbbing memo was as concise and elegant as humanly possible!

Long, convoluted theories don't get traction. If I had wanted to produce a game-changer, I would have needed to find that "gotcha!' evidence. Which I couldn't find.

Zombie, trust me on this. If my first take is as acute as I think it is, if we win this election in a close vote, you will have been a principal difference maker. I do not bestow that lightly.

(I'll be back shortly)

139 Karridine  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:27:34pm

re: #124 TheConservator

Conservator, please go carefully through whatever you now still have from those years at college, and see if anything -and I do mean ANYTHING you have!- triggers thoughts or recall that might prove beneficial to Zombie's research!

Thanks, Kiddo!

140 mattm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:28:13pm

Zombie: Doing the Job the MSM won't.

141 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:28:22pm

re: #133 realwest

Nope I don't think there are photos of Billy Ayers and Barack Obama out there - it is certainly possible that Obama DIDN'T know Ayers back in the day.

And Ayers was, as was his ever so charming murder wife, Bernadine Dorhn, obviously publicity shy - he WAS on the run from the FBI for what 20+ years and I doubt very seriously that he'd have let himself be photo'd with anyone at all.

So why won't the L.A. Slimes release the video? Surely they are not worried about Khalidi. Are Dohrn and Ayers there along with Obama?

142 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:28:58pm

re: #135 zombie

You're welcome. And they might well have tried, it sure wouldn't surprise me.

By the way, fantastic job, keep up the good work.

143 Penguinchic  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:29:16pm

Zombie, it is a great job. About the ABC video you mention, it is something easy to get from the archives or something that has to be dug out?

144 Tarkus289  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:29:44pm

I'm sorry I do not remember where I heard it, but I thought it was common knowledge that ayers and obama knew each other in N.Y.C. and then moved at approximately the same time to Chicago.

145 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:29:44pm

re: #136 soccerdad

there was a good one left at the end of the thread below...From Opilio

146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:29:46pm

John McCain was Tortured by commies.
The Zero™ was tutored by them.

Great work, zombie. It'll get out, we'll all make sure it does.

147 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:29:48pm

re: #67 bcgirl

I'm going to be in Reno campaigning from Thurs evening through election day.

148 wolfie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:30:33pm

re: #39 zombie

As you point out in your report, he either knew plenty about Ayers back then, or he was a dorky loner in the library who has lied about his supposed radical past to get street cred. Either way he is a proven liar.

149 yenta-fada  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:30:41pm

For a monolingual self-righteous d!ckhead who lectures people to be more 'worldly' I cringe at the Spanish accent Obama uses when he says "Chicano". Almost as good as 'Pock-e-stahn' and 'Tal-e-bahn'. How long would it take you at the cocktail party to avoid this pretentious twit?

150 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:30:48pm

Too bad we don't have a 30-minute infomercial.

151 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:30:50pm

re: #145 Stonemason

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

152 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:30:57pm

Okay zombie, I haven't finished it yet (I'm a slow reader.) But the thing that sticks out most to me is the fact that he said he left Occidental to go to Columbia to be politicially active, to get into public policy, to protest...but then, what, he doesn't want to talk about how he actually protested, and got into policy while he was there? There's something really fishy about that to me. Maybe you wrote that, or didn't, but I think its the biggest things to stress, especially considering that he was protesting the exact same things as the Weather Underground in the exact same city at the exact same time. Fine, so were thousands of other students, but thousands of other students paths didn't cross with a member of the Weather Underground for the next 20-odd years.

The fact that he is so close to the white house with all of this past is mind-boggling.

153 ggt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:31:09pm

zombie you are the best of the un-dead.

154 Racer X  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:31:19pm

re: #136 soccerdad

Can I get some Lizard help with ideas for the other letters? Short and sweet...a point for each letter.

Thanks in advance

McCain = Tortured by Communists
Obama = Tutored by Communists
Ayers = Terrorist Communist

(tip: Buzzsawmonkey)

155 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:31:52pm

re: #124 TheConservator

By an amazing coincidence, I attended Columbia from August 1981 to approximately June 1982, working toward a masters degree in medieval canon law. My wife worked in the rare book room in the main library; I spent virtually all my time not in class (or playing chess at the Manhattan chess club) studying in that library.

Not that I remember running into Obama or anything. I don't think he had an interest in medieval canon law.

INTERESTING!

You are not alone. Are you aware that not a single person remembers seeing him there? NOT ONE PERSON.

Do you know how many students were on campus at that time?

How could he disappear like that?

156 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:31:57pm

I love how "journalists" demand certain privileges under the guise that the public has a right to know, then at their whim, decides that we the pubic don't have the right to know what they know.

I hope McCain asking for this is successful, and adds that in his ads. What is the LA Times hiding ?

157 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:32:06pm

re: #136 soccerdad

Need some help Lizards. I'm thinking of working the polls here in Chester County, PA and handing out a flyer, but need ideas. I was thinking of making up one that has b-a-r-a-c-k O-b-a-m-a vertically down the left hand side of the paper, and a brief anti-obama statement that begins with each of the letters of his name. For instance, the B would be: Bill Ayers, domestic terrorist and His friend.

Can I get some Lizard help with ideas for the other letters? Short and sweet...a point for each letter.

Thanks in advance

For every "A" after Ayers put anti-America.

158 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:32:09pm

re: #149 yenta-fada

For a monolingual self-righteous d!ckhead who lectures people to be more 'worldly' I cringe at the Spanish accent Obama uses when he says "Chicano". Almost as good as 'Pock-e-stahn' and 'Tal-e-bahn'. How long would it take you at the cocktail party to avoid this pretentious twit?

He'd have been outside smoking with Ayers, so I wouldn't have seen him.

160 wolfie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:33:00pm

re: #59 jcm

That would explain why Obama went to Chicago in the first place.
Why Chicago? He had connections.......Ayers and Dohrn.

161 spidly  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:33:25pm

re: #96 experiencedtraveller

Well done Zombie. And how right you are. This will not be a "gotcha" election but a gut check.

Obama will raise all of your taxes. ALL OF YOU.

IMO this is more of a testicle check election. That thrill up the leg is really the going over a cliff feeling in the scrotum.

162 wolfie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:34:30pm

re: #120 Karridine

We'll have elections. And ACORN will be everywhere.

163 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:34:32pm

His snooty accent. LOL No doubt he orders a "quasa" with his latte.

164 ggt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:34:45pm

The Marxists are using race to obtain the Oval Office.

Has even Bill O'Reilly put 2+2 together on that one?

165 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:34:57pm

re: #128 dentate

Zombie, my only suggestion is to emphasize less what you did NOT find and to stop apologizing for it, I think the apologies weaken the impact. It is enough to show that BO is hiding his past, making contradictory statements about the formative years of his career, and ran in very questionable circles, with which he remained in close philosophical and physical proximity right up to the present day. Emphasize that this is a man trying to deny his past without explicitly refuting any of it. Doesn't matter if he participated in the airport attack; the rest of what you show is enough.

Thanks. Will cogitate on that.

166 non-lib Nina  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:35:02pm

re: #161 spidly

IMO this is more of a testicle check election. That thrill up the leg is really the going over a cliff feeling in the scrotum.


Wish I knew what that felt like?!

167 Russkilitlover  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:35:03pm

re: #155 zombie

INTERESTING!

You are not alone. Are you aware that not a single person remembers seeing him there? NOT ONE PERSON.

Do you know how many students were on campus at that time?

How could he disappear like that?

Especially since he was an ingratiating little narcissist wanting "carefully chosen friends" and lusting for political activism.

168 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:35:05pm

re: #155 zombie

INTERESTING!

You are not alone. Are you aware that not a single person remembers seeing him there? NOT ONE PERSON.

Do you know how many students were on campus at that time?

How could he disappear like that?

Did he pay tuition? How did he afford to go to Columbia? Did his grandparents pay, or did he have a job somewhere, or did he get scholarships, and if so from where? There has to be a money trail somewhere. Columbia did not take him on free of charge.

169 spidly  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:35:24pm
170 mattm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:35:35pm

Hopefully that audio can be used in some swing states.

171 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:35:59pm

re: #53 zombie

Sorry about the beers!

My problem is I can't prove it. I can only insinuate. Which is supremely frustrating.

Which is what the MSM has been doing to Sarah Palin all along, but with no apologies, and no proof.

Keep it up, Zombie. You're doing a great job!

172 Russkilitlover  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:36:09pm

re: #159 Charles

Charles Johnson Of Little Green Footballs Tries To Walk Back His Defense Of Segregation.

Just as I predicted.

I sadly say: Get used to it and then some....

173 Tarkus289  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:36:32pm

Thanks to Charles and Zombie for all you do.

Charles keep your thick skin..
Zombie keep your stealth.
Lizards, keep your faith..
See you all tomorrow.

174 spidly  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:36:36pm

re: #168 dentate

Did he pay tuition? How did he afford to go to Columbia? Did his grandparents pay, or did he have a job somewhere, or did he get scholarships, and if so from where? There has to be a money trail somewhere. Columbia did not take him on free of charge.

Maybe see if the KGB funneled any money into Columbia around that time.

175 lagtime  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:36:36pm

One thing Zombie shows is a possible connection to Said (Andy McCarthy on NRO). That ties to Rashidi in Chicago and taking over the Said Chair at Columbia, which was the reason Obama and Ayers were at the party on the Times film.

Coincidence
///

176 Thanos  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:36:38pm

I'll back up what Zombie is saying about someone out there expunging sites, some of the SDS / MDS and other sides have been cleaned of everything prior to 2006.

Zombie, here's a youtube group with some Dohrn speeches from '06

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

177 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:37:02pm

Very well done Zombie! And fellow Lizards!
I pray that you get more pieces of the puzzle by perhaps from people who were in NY during that time period where O was in the same neighborhood, school area, and political functions. Maybe someone who lived in the apt. complex. The more people see these pix, the more it will jog memories!
Let us know when you want us to send this out. Do you want to finish the end bonus material or send it out as is?

178 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:37:55pm

dentate - there is so much info about all of this that it is overwhelming, but I read somewhere about all his travels before going to the university and the question was raised, where is all this money coming from for all the travels if he didn't have a job.

179 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:37:55pm

re: #150 Dar ul Harb

Too bad we don't have a 30-minute infomercial.

On the other hand, have you ever known anyone to watch any infomerical, much less a 30 minute one? lol

180 laZardo  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:38:21pm

re: #120 Karridine

After restoring democracy away from Rethuglican vote stealing and fraud, America can really, finally have a true election in 2012!

/

181 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:38:32pm

re: #136 soccerdad

Need some help Lizards. I'm thinking of working the polls here in Chester County, PA and handing out a flyer, but need ideas. I was thinking of making up one that has b-a-r-a-c-k O-b-a-m-a vertically down the left hand side of the paper, and a brief anti-obama statement that begins with each of the letters of his name. For instance, the B would be: Bill Ayers, domestic terrorist and His friend.

Can I get some Lizard help with ideas for the other letters? Short and sweet...a point for each letter.

Thanks in advance

Go to PUMAPac.Org. They have fliers you can download and use.

182 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:38:46pm

Obama describes his apartment at Columbia

It was an uninviting block, treeless and barren, lined with soot-colored walk-ups that cast heavy shadows for the rest of the day. The apartment was small, with slanting floors and irregular heat and a buzzer downstairs that didn’t work, so that visitors had to call ahead from a pay phone at the corner gas station, where a black Doberman the size of a wolf paced through the night in vigilant patrol, its jaws clamped around an empty beer bottle.

Sounds like he was either a drug dealer, or a domestic terrorist.

183 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:38:51pm

re: #139 Karridine

Conservator, please go carefully through whatever you now still have from those years at college, and see if anything -and I do mean ANYTHING you have!- triggers thoughts or recall that might prove beneficial to Zombie's research!

Thanks, Kiddo!

Good suggestion! Post here anything -- ANYTHING -- that you can recall.

Do you remember there being anti-Apartheid protests on campus? Other protests? Black activism?

I actually interviewed another Columbia alumnus and have not have the chance to include it in the essay yet.

POST YOUR MEMORIES HERE.

184 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:39:03pm

re: #160 wolfie

That would explain why Obama went to Chicago in the first place.
Why Chicago? He had connections.......Ayers and Dohrn.

Not proof, but the pieces fit.

185 Russkilitlover  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:39:14pm

re: #178 Teacake!

dentate - there is so much info about all of this that it is overwhelming, but I read somewhere about all his travels before going to the university and the question was raised, where is all this money coming from for all the travels if he didn't have a job.

Mordred comes to mind. Carefully crafted over time for his current unveiling.

186 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:39:25pm
187 ggt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:39:34pm

Charles, could you try sending him the page from Dictionary.com showing the definition of 'segregation'?

188 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:39:35pm

re: #111 Tarkus289

It was always bullshit, I'm his age and I knew about them then, including when I was 8 years old, I was reminded of them in 1981 when the Brinks job went down 1 mile away from where I was working at the time. I rarely hear about that anymore, 2 dead police officers and one dead Brinks guard.

R.I.P.

Costs a lot of money to go to Columbia :)

189 captwfcall  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:39:48pm

the MSM did all sorts of investigations into Sarah Palin's younger years
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

they got pictures, interviewed folks who went to school with her, took blood samples, stool samples, etc.

Yet they can't/won't take the initiative to find out about Barack's college years? This is a disgrace.

190 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:40:26pm

re: #168 dentate

Did he pay tuition? How did he afford to go to Columbia? Did his grandparents pay, or did he have a job somewhere, or did he get scholarships, and if so from where? There has to be a money trail somewhere. Columbia did not take him on free of charge.

How do we know for sure that he actually graduated? I mean - the guy's a first class con man...

191 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:40:40pm

re: #143 Penguinchic

Zombie, it is a great job. About the ABC video you mention, it is something easy to get from the archives or something that has to be dug out?

They can access it in one minute.

What they can't do is give you permission to re-broadcast it in any way. Not even on a blog. VERY strict rules.

You can probably view it in person if you live in TN.

I have heard audio of it. But haven't seen the image in question.

192 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:41:04pm

re: #15 MandyManners

No wonder his friends don't talk about him.

Where are his friends, anyway?

You'd think there would be one normal red-blooded working American who hung out with Obama for a while somewhere in his life, who would be willing to step forward and say "Hey, I hung with Barry back in the day, and he's a really cool guy. I'll vouch for his character and I trust his judgement."

We listen for that, and we get crickets!

193 sngnsgt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:41:08pm

Received a call today from the McCain camp here in Erie, PA. I'll be working the phones all day tomorrow.

194 spidly  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:41:14pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Ollie hits bottom, digs.

he needs an oversized hole

195 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:41:38pm

re: #144 Tarkus289

I'm sorry I do not remember where I heard it, but I thought it was common knowledge that ayers and obama knew each other in N.Y.C. and then moved at approximately the same time to Chicago.

Nope. Obama claims to have met Ayers around 1995 in Chicago.

But I am now convinced that Ayers brought him to Chicago in the first place!

196 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:41:50pm

re: #178 Teacake!

dentate - there is so much info about all of this that it is overwhelming, but I read somewhere about all his travels before going to the university and the question was raised, where is all this money coming from for all the travels if he didn't have a job.

Right, money usually leaves a trail somewhere. Your normal everyday college student from Hawaii does not take vacations in Pakistan. Did his roommates pay? SOMEONE subsidized his education; if he had scholarships, their sources would have records of what he said on his scholarship applications--what it was he aimed to achieve. Those applications might still exist somewhere. Though unlike Zombie, I haven't a clue where to start looking.

197 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:41:59pm

Zombie, I think you should remove the mention of how long the report took you. ("A few days..."). Its the kind of thing detractors might stop reading at, or might shamelessly use to detract from the quality of the report.

198 Peter_P  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:42:15pm

Sent email to Rush...

199 soccerdad  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:42:17pm

re: #145 Stonemason

there was a good one left at the end of the thread below...From Opilio

Thanks -- did you get my message?

200 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:42:46pm

There's a rumor that his high school mentor, (davis? too much info to recall details these days) is really his father and perhaps he got him in? (hence the birth certificate issue)

201 ggt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:42:52pm

I keep thinking about the last season of Battlestar Gallactica I watched. The actor that used to play Starbuck (when Starbuck was a guy) was the "community organizer socialist workers-are-oppressed type" and put his puppet, the bady bady guy, into the presidency.

In fact, truth is stranger than fiction.

202 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:43:02pm

re: #149 yenta-fada

For a monolingual self-righteous d!ckhead who lectures people to be more 'worldly' I cringe at the Spanish accent Obama uses when he says "Chicano". Almost as good as 'Pock-e-stahn' and 'Tal-e-bahn'. How long would it take you at the cocktail party to avoid this pretentious twit?

DING DING DING!

That "Chicano" bit nearly made me lose my lunch.

203 Opilio  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:43:08pm

re: #194 spidly

he needs an oversized hole

He IS an oversized hole.

204 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:43:38pm

re: #159 Charles

I can do better than "S*nd T*ck" (I've never used that 'cause I'm not a racist).
Oliver Willis, LIAR!

/Children of the Devil...........

205 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:43:51pm

re: #159 Charles

Hey...he forgot the OT


/I guess he is allowed

206 Syrah  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:43:52pm

Buzz this up.

Send it to friends, family and enemies.

Forward it to everyone you know or have an email address to in the media.

I have forwarded Zombies report off to a big media outlet. join me and do the same.

We have all seen what happened when we got something up on Drudge. Everyone, Beck, Limbaugh, etc. picked it up and ran with it.

This is the time where a thousand small efforts can count up to be a great thing.

The Lizard Army can again strike a mighty blow for freedom.

Send the Zombie Report out!

These last remaining days are our hour.

We stand now, we fight now.

207 Stonemason  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:44:09pm

re: #199 soccerdad

yes I did, thanks

208 ggt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:44:20pm

going upstairs

209 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:44:27pm

re: #152 Jimmy the Notable

Okay zombie, I haven't finished it yet (I'm a slow reader.) But the thing that sticks out most to me is the fact that he said he left Occidental to go to Columbia to be politicially active, to get into public policy, to protest...but then, what, he doesn't want to talk about how he actually protested, and got into policy while he was there? There's something really fishy about that to me. Maybe you wrote that, or didn't, but I think its the biggest things to stress, especially considering that he was protesting the exact same things as the Weather Underground in the exact same city at the exact same time. Fine, so were thousands of other students, but thousands of other students paths didn't cross with a member of the Weather Underground for the next 20-odd years.

The fact that he is so close to the white house with all of this past is mind-boggling.

Thanks. I have noted your comment for later amendments to the essay.

210 gop_patriot  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:44:38pm

re: #192 Pawn of the Oppressor

Where are his friends, anyway?

You'd think there would be one normal red-blooded working American who hung out with Obama for a while somewhere in his life, who would be willing to step forward and say "Hey, I hung with Barry back in the day, and he's a really cool guy. I'll vouch for his character and I trust his judgement."

We listen for that, and we get crickets!

I'd be willing to bet that anyone who he was "friends" with back then has been "contacted" by the Obama team... and "advised" not to talk about it.

211 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:44:43pm

Anyone who knew him is probably afraid to speak up.

212 dentate  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:44:53pm

re: #190 Optimizer

How do we know for sure that he actually graduated? I mean - the guy's a first class con man...

Well, he went from Occidental College to Columbia to Harvard. That is quite a leap. And I know something about those places. He didn't get into Harvard by saying "please." There would have been applications filled out, money involved, transcripts without which it could not have happened. Unfortunately, those things are stored away out of sight. I am 100% certain that his Harvard Law application still exists somewhere. Oh, for a leak from the Harvard Law Admissions Office.

213 notutopia  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:45:09pm

re: #159 Charles

KO Time Charles!

214 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:45:10pm

re: #192 Pawn of the Oppressor

Where are his friends, anyway?

You'd think there would be one normal red-blooded working American who hung out with Obama for a while somewhere in his life, who would be willing to step forward and say "Hey, I hung with Barry back in the day, and he's a really cool guy. I'll vouch for his character and I trust his judgement."

We listen for that, and we get crickets!

Barry was raised by fellow travelers, he hung with fellow travelers, fellow travelers make omerta codes look like blabber mouths.

215 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:45:16pm

re: #159 Charles

Charles Johnson Of Little Green Footballs Tries To Walk Back His Defense Of Segregation.

Just as I predicted.

Charles, it's time to treat this little twit like a pesky mosquito - swat him and get on with the good LGF work!

And go out bike riding and take nice pretty pictures! And more fast and fancy guitar playing men!

These little piss ants will always try to make their chops going against the "legends".

216 Gus 802  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:45:35pm

re: #149 yenta-fada

I loathe that pandering accent that liberals put on when they use the word Chicano or Latino. Like the BBC they also have the habit of doing the same with Chile. Odd how they don't do that with Argentina or other foreign language words.

Quite simply it's just a liberal affectation.

217 SteveC  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:45:42pm

re: #201 ggt

I keep thinking about the last season of Battlestar Gallactica I watched. The actor that used to play Starbuck (when Starbuck was a guy) was the "community organizer socialist workers-are-oppressed type" and put his puppet, the bady bady guy, into the presidency.

"All this has happened before, and will happen again." (One of the recurring religious theme of Battlestar Galactica)

218 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:45:58pm

re: #111 Tarkus289
Do you remember Kathy Boudin from that robbery?
Billy Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn raised her child while she was in prison for Felony Murder in that case.
Indeed, her background is very interesting:

Kathy Boudin was born in 1943 into a Jewish family with a long left-wing history, and was raised in Greenwich Village, New York. Her great-uncle was Louis Boudonovitch Boudin, a Marxist theorist. Her father, attorney Leonard Boudin, had represented such controversial clients as Judith Coplon, Fidel Castro, and Paul Robeson.[1] A National Lawyers Guild attorney, Leonard Boudin was the law partner of Victor Rabinowitz, himself counsel to numerous left-wing organizations. Kathy’s older brother, Michael Boudin, is currently a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

219 DistantThunder  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:47:00pm

Wow another great piece of detective work. These idiots put out so much bad stuff they can't possibly know where it all is to make sure it is permanently scrubbed.

A bigger question is why hasn't the Republican party been digging into this long before now? I don't get it.

220 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:47:10pm

Maybe he's a reptilian from whatever planet they come from and he just appeared one day. /

221 Penguinchic  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:47:31pm

re: #191 zombie

I actually have an ID for there so getting to it and seeing it is no problem. I am looking at their website and I trying to figure out if this is something I could see online by registering. I am just being overly cautious because I don't want to do something that would negate anything you may have or plan to do.

222 TheConservator  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:47:35pm

Zombie--

There were lots of students at Columbia, I would guess in the several thousands, and they were all segregated into their own little cliques and niches. During the year I was there, I probably only got to know the two other students in my program, a half dozen professors, some of the people in the chess club, and a couple of the other people working with my wife in the rare book room. I did not rub shoulders with the undergrads at all.

I remember there was some protests and activism the year I was there, but nothing really major.

It is pretty suspicious that NO ONE remembers him. I think I left a pretty small footprint, but if you found one of the 4 or 5 right people, they would remember me.

Does Columbia have a transcript showing he attended classes? Got grades? Or is that all non-discoverable?

223 ggt  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:47:38pm

I'm still confused about his grandma. I think that if my grandson were running for President, even on my deathbed, I'd find a way to publically support him. A press release . . .something.

224 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:48:47pm

I had a good chuckle at this sign on a Columbia protester:
"Ron Reagan Go Back Too Hollywood"

Seems that protesters have never known how to spell.

225 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:49:03pm

re: #128 dentate

Zombie, my only suggestion is to emphasize less what you did NOT find and to stop apologizing for it, I think the apologies weaken the impact. It is enough to show that BO is hiding his past, making contradictory statements about the formative years of his career, and ran in very questionable circles, with which he remained in close philosophical and physical proximity right up to the present day. Emphasize that this is a man trying to deny his past without explicitly refuting any of it. Doesn't matter if he participated in the airport attack; the rest of what you show is enough.

Great point. Maybe just put together a list of the Top 10 questions that need to be answered of Obama about his activities in the 80s. There's your brief takeaway item.

Make sure you anticipate his likely evasive answers.

226 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:49:43pm

Why do these obamaites feel okay about someone so secretive about his past? THis is just too scary and that so many people aren't scared by this is scarier. Bet the FBI has been instructed to leave it be as well.

227 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:50:41pm

Jack Cashill offered another major clue that Bill Ayers recruited Obama when both were in New York in the early 1980 - although he himself seems to miss that point. Cashill mentions a metaphor used by both Obama and Ayers:

Certain stories are told with only slight variance in Ayers’ work and in Dreams. In To Teach, Ayers tells the story of a teacher in NYC whose students are struck by the fact that the Hudson River seems to flow North and South simultaneously. In Dreams, Obama shares a amazingly comparable anecdote about tidal rivers from his own brief New York sojourn. "Excuse me, mister," a boy asks him, "You know why sometimes the river runs that way and then sometimes it goes this way?" This is one of many such incidents.

I think I've read somewhere that in Obama's book the passage was somehow connected to another first-name-only character who recruits him for community organizing work. I don't have the book, so I can't check. Does anyone have it? Or another URL about this passage?

228 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:50:42pm

re: #195 zombie

Nope. Obama claims to have met Ayers around 1995 in Chicago.

But I am now convinced that Ayers brought him to Chicago in the first place!

Have you made notice of the fact that Obama worked at the exact same law firm that Ayers' wife had worked at, when he went to Chicago? There could only have been a few hundred lawyers there. What are the odds? Ayers' wife is said to have gotten her job there because Ayers' father had pull with the head of the firm.

OTOH, I've heard it said that Obama went to Chicago because it was (Is?) the "capital of Black America". And that could be true.

Certainly Obama knew Ayers before 1995 - Ayers wouldn't have entrusted his Revolution's trust fund to new acquaintance, and he wouldn't have been introducing Obama around as the "greatest thing since sliced bread" after knowing him only a few months.

229 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:50:45pm

re: #197 Jimmy the Notable

Zombie, I think you should remove the mention of how long the report took you. ("A few days..."). Its the kind of thing detractors might stop reading at, or might shamelessly use to detract from the quality of the report.

Thanks. Added to my "to do" list.

230 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:50:53pm

TheConservator - he refuses to make that public, just like everything else of his personal info.

231 Intrepid  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:51:04pm

re: #191 zombie

They can access it in one minute.

What they can't do is give you permission to re-broadcast it in any way. Not even on a blog. VERY strict rules.

You can probably view it in person if you live in TN.

I have heard audio of it. But haven't seen the image in question.

Wait, what? I live in Tennessee, what can I see and view that others can't?

I'll do a transcript, if I have a site to go to.

232 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:51:46pm

re: #146 Ozark Mountain Daredevil


John McCain was Tortured by commies.
The Zero™ was tutored by them.


ding,ding,ding

233 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:52:15pm

re: #206 Syrah

Buzz this up.

Send it to friends, family and enemies.

Forward it to everyone you know or have an email address to in the media.

I have forwarded Zombies report off to a big media outlet. join me and do the same.

We have all seen what happened when we got something up on Drudge. Everyone, Beck, Limbaugh, etc. picked it up and ran with it.

This is the time where a thousand small efforts can count up to be a great thing.

The Lizard Army can again strike a mighty blow for freedom.

Send the Zombie Report out!

These last remaining days are our hour.

We stand now, we fight now.

That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!

234 Teacake!  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:52:21pm

George Soros is absolutely part of the chain of events to find some links.

235 kuchuklambat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:53:18pm

re: #6 zombie

is done, also to Glenn Beck, and for the heck of it, to Ronn Owen -- I think he's catching onto the Marxist thing.

236 Syrah  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:54:17pm

re: #224 Jimmy the Notable

I had a good chuckle at this sign on a Columbia protester:
"Ron Reagan Go Back Too Hollywood"

Seems that protesters have never known how to spell.

There is a Ron Reagan. Ronald Reagan's son is named Ron.

Last I heard he judged Dog Shows.

237 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:55:23pm

re: #233 zombie

I'm just getting back on the thread because I looked at too many of your links. LOL I have a personal thing against the WU.

Don't you think it's weird that the witness for the defense of one of the Brinks robbers surname was Odinga? It must be a common name.

238 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:55:25pm

re: #155 zombie
Zombie - Columbia University is HUGE! It would, I think be possible for him to attend and ONLY hang out with folks who either don't want to remember him or don't want to be remembered by the Public. IIRC not all of the members of the Weather Underground were caught or gave themselves up.

But - leaving Occidental for Columbia COULD be an interesting point of investigation - at OCCIDENTAL not at Columbia. And, if memory serves, Occidental is in LA - maybe you with the help of any LA lizards -especially any who attended or graduated from Occidental could research that time frame. I mean Obama can't possibly have been unnoticed EVERYWHERE he effin' went to school!

239 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:56:37pm

re: #221 Penguinchic

I actually have an ID for there so getting to it and seeing it is no problem. I am looking at their website and I trying to figure out if this is something I could see online by registering. I am just being overly cautious because I don't want to do something that would negate anything you may have or plan to do.

No way to see it online. I'm positive of that. Though I'm pretty sure you can see it if you go into the library/archives room.

Problem is, it won't do us much good, because we can't get permission to report the photo or any part of the video, without forking over big $$$ to ABC. I think Vanderbilt will make you promise not to redistribute it in any way.

240 TheMatrix31  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:57:18pm

re: #238 realwest

Zombie - Columbia University is HUGE! It would, I think be possible for him to attend and ONLY hang out with folks who either don't want to remember him or don't want to be remembered by the Public. IIRC not all of the members of the Weather Underground were caught or gave themselves up.

But - leaving Occidental for Columbia COULD be an interesting point of investigation - at OCCIDENTAL not at Columbia. And, if memory serves, Occidental is in LA - maybe you with the help of any LA lizards -especially any who attended or graduated from Occidental could research that time frame. I mean Obama can't possibly have been unnoticed EVERYWHERE he effin' went to school!

I tell you what.....it's no OCCIDENT that no one saw him!

/

241 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:57:29pm

re: #195 zombie

Nope. Obama claims to have met Ayers around 1995 in Chicago.

But I am now convinced that Ayers brought him to Chicago in the first place!

And to NY.

Obama chooses his friends carefully.

Obama transfers to NY, where he knows nobody? Ayers. He has a Doberman guarding his apartment and visitors had to ring in from a pay phone down the street.

Obama moves to Chicago, where he knows nobody? Ayers.

Obama gets a job in Chicago... with Ayers.

242 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:57:45pm

I've already distributed the story on the street,with the qualification that the "rumor" may be true. I spoke to a to a true Obamaton, and he reacted in utter horror and disbelief. But I spoke loudly enough that several persons in proximity must have heard what I said.

It's out there.

243 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:58:03pm

re: #222 TheConservator

Zombie--

There were lots of students at Columbia, I would guess in the several thousands, and they were all segregated into their own little cliques and niches. During the year I was there, I probably only got to know the two other students in my program, a half dozen professors, some of the people in the chess club, and a couple of the other people working with my wife in the rare book room. I did not rub shoulders with the undergrads at all.

I remember there was some protests and activism the year I was there, but nothing really major.

It is pretty suspicious that NO ONE remembers him. I think I left a pretty small footprint, but if you found one of the 4 or 5 right people, they would remember me.

Does Columbia have a transcript showing he attended classes? Got grades? Or is that all non-discoverable?

Non-discoverable. They refuse to release ANYTHING.

Thanks for the details on campus life.

244 Peter_P  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:58:14pm

Sent it to Jim Quinn of warroom.com. Pennsylvania is important.

245 Globular Cluster  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:58:28pm

If there was actually a connection between Obama and the WU, don't you think the FBI would have known about it, or does know about it? They had undercover agents investigating the group, one of whom was recently on Fox. I found it doubtful, or at least overly sanguine, to think that Zombie will find some connection as an independent researcher with no access to classified information, than the FBI who already investigated the group.

However, it is possible that there is a connection between the Obama and WU, but that the FBI didn't have anything to charge Obama with, since there it is not a crime to actually hang out with them. It could be that the FBI knows about it but won't release information which is not material to an indictment.

Therefore, carry on. Sorry.

246 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 9:58:36pm

It's funny I never thought of this before, but the only few times I visited the Columbia campus, myself, would have been around 1982 - so Obama would have been there at the time. I had a friend who started law school there in '81 (haven't talked to him since the mid '80s). How wierd is that?

BHO is actually only a few months younger than I am.

247 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:00:04pm

re: #211 Teacake!

Anyone who knew him is probably afraid to speak up.

I am very concerned for his grandma. His sister is keeping her prisoner in her apartment. No visitors. It's like something out of some spy novel.

248 Penguinchic  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:00:12pm

Do you mean that if I saw something in the video then that could not be reported by description? But, it sounds like you have a good description of the video already. Let me know if you want me to have a go at it.

249 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:01:54pm

re: #231 Intrepid

Wait, what? I live in Tennessee, what can I see and view that others can't?

I'll do a transcript, if I have a site to go to.

This section from my report:

"I searched high and low for photographs or videos taken at this protest. But the only one I ever located was in this ABC News television report from October 26, 1981 which, according to someone who has seen it, briefly displays the only known photograph from the September 26 incident. Unfortunately, the photo does not show the protest itself, but rather the arrest of one of the acid-throwers in the airport after the attack; the remaining protesters are not shown. And the video is not viewable online; the only way to see it is to order a copy from the Vanderbilt University Television News Archive; and even then, one must obtain written permission from ABC to broadcast or display any portion of it."

250 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:02:31pm

re: #222 TheConservator

Is there anything in that library that might be helpful? You might know some important details that others don't.

251 The Archivist  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:02:47pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

We may not need that tape. We have Obama himself on tape here. All Joe Wurzelbacher and Sarah Palin have to do is play the MP3 and then ask America if they like what they heard. The anwser will be a resounding "Hell No!"

Elsewhere on the web, but can't relocate it (one of the PUMA sites I think),
there was intimation that the Obama campaign anticipated and was ready for "three punches", one of which was the Ayers connection.
That post went on to conclude that the Khalidi tape was the second, but they were totally mystified as to what the third might be.

Could Zombie have found the third punch? Or might that have been any Odinga campaign video with Obama, and might this be the knockout?

252 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:03:23pm

re: #243 zombie

Do you think this could possibly be the same Sekou Odinga that was a witness to the Brinks defense?

[Link: www.thetalkingdrum.com...]

253 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:03:38pm

re: #237 Pvt Bin Jammin

I'm just getting back on the thread because I looked at too many of your links. LOL I have a personal thing against the WU.

Don't you think it's weird that the witness for the defense of one of the Brinks robbers surname was Odinga? It must be a common name.

VERY weird. I'm still digging on that one.

It was a fake "nom de guerre" of a BLA member, but where did he get it from?

Could it be that Obama knew the guy and told him of Obama's clan name back in Kenya?

254 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:03:45pm

re: #236 Syrah

There is a Ron Reagan. Ronald Reagan's son is named Ron.

Last I heard he judged Dog Shows.

Well, no, the quote was from a picture from the 80s. I was chucking at the spelling of too.
-----
Zombie, has Obama ever mentioned the actual address he lived at in Brooklyn? One of the protesters mentioned in the newspaper article about the acid throwing lived at 331 13th street, which is in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Another one lived just four blocks away. Obama mentioned living in Park Slope.

255 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:05:17pm

re: #253 zombie

I know. See my post right above yours. Creepy.

256 jetprop  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:05:33pm

Zombie, thank-you.
I'll finish reading it tomorrow AM with the coffee.

257 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:05:42pm

re: #254 Jimmy the Notable

Here's a link to the actual proximity of two of the members of Weather Underground. Google Maps

One of the other members of the WU arrested was from Chicago.

258 jcm  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:06:28pm

Life has become cheap....

Sick, sick fucks.

Britney Galindez was riding around in a car and drinking with five boys from a local gang. At some point, Britney got sick and vomited in the car, which made some of the boys mad.

[snip]

Mr. Langendoerfer puts Britney on the dock, strangles her and stabs her with a screwdriver,” said Hansen. “To make sure she was actually dead, the suspect held her under water."


Five, minutes can I have five minutes alone with this fuck?

259 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:06:51pm

re: #167 Russkilitlover

Especially since he was an ingratiating little narcissist wanting "carefully chosen friends" and lusting for political activism.

Good point. The guy is a classic narcissist, and we are to believe he lived like a monk? How ridiculous!

As he puts it, BHO "must think America is stupid."

260 kuchuklambat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:07:58pm

somewhere i saw (but never finished reading) a discussion of Obama's money trail that starts with his 2 Palestinian roommates at Occidental; does that ring any lizard bells?

261 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:08:53pm

Here's the names of the two who lived in Park Slope:
Donna Borup, 29
Margot Pelletier, 20.

Ms. Pelletier, 20, doesn't she seem the right age to be someone attending a university? possibly Columbia? Can we find this out?

262 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:08:55pm

re: #242 really grumpy big dog Johnson

I've already distributed the story on the street,with the qualification that the "rumor" may be true. I spoke to a to a true Obamaton, and he reacted in utter horror and disbelief. But I spoke loudly enough that several persons in proximity must have heard what I said.

It's out there.

EXCELLENT!

Social engineering at its finest.

263 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:10:38pm

re: #193 sngnsgt

Received a call today from the McCain camp here in Erie, PA. I'll be working the phones all day tomorrow.

Do they have other labor they need, beside calling people?

264 Dalibama  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:10:38pm

That photo reminds me of something I've thought of for a while. Did Barack have a minor nose job that thinned the tip of his nose? Maybe it's in his medical records, maybe not.

Michelle once said that she saw a photo of Barack before he came to her law firm and she thought he had a big nose. When she met him she thought he looked fine. That was a revealing comment.

I know most people aren't interested in this...it's a girl thing.

265 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:10:43pm

re: #129 Racer X
this is one another thing that bothers me, from zombies site link;
[Link: openlettersmonthly.com...]

next;"I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what is different is the times. I do think that, for example, the 1980 election was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. They felt like with all the excesses of the 60s and the 70s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think he tapped into what people were already feeling. Which is we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

"At this rate, the question isn't just 'Are you better off than you were four years ago?', it's 'Are you better off than you were four weeks ago?'" the Democratic presidential nominee asked a raucous crowd here of about 8,000h
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

again ;Obama:where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds

what a yicky man

266 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:11:37pm

re: #254 Jimmy the Notable It's a real schlep from Park Slope Brooklyn to Columbia U. Columbia U is actually - and was when Obama went there, inside the generally accepted boundaries of Harlem. Would seem to me that he would find an apartment in Harlem, not Park Slope.
HEY ZOMBIE - have you checked phone books from the time period when Obama was at Columbia - unless unlisted, it would also show his address.
But, as I said in my #238, I wonder if Occidental college might prove to be a fruitful lead?

267 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:12:37pm

re: #264 Dalibama

"I know most people aren't interested in this...it's a girl thing."

It's not just a girl thing. LOL Don't forget Michael Jackson.

268 SWPaul  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:13:15pm

I'll go back and look at old punk rock footage. Maybe someone videotaped him stage diving or fighting Henry Rollins. Although he looks eerily similar to HR of Bad Brains in 1979... Hmmmm...

269 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:14:00pm

re: #266 realwest

She has an addy there. It was on 94th.

270 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:14:34pm

re: #248 Penguinchic

Do you mean that if I saw something in the video then that could not be reported by description? But, it sounds like you have a good description of the video already. Let me know if you want me to have a go at it.

Well, it's up to you. I will say ahead of time that it most likely will not do us much good, because a verbal description of a photograph just doesn't cut it with the general public.

If you want to do it and email me your description, try this to access me.

I've already had the photo described to me very rudimentarily -- apparently only one proteter is visible. So even if we did get the photo, it still may not be of much use.

I'm vaguely curious to see it, but I wouldn't want to put you out over it.

271 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:14:39pm

re: #210 gop_patriot

I'd be willing to bet that anyone who he was "friends" with back then has been "contacted" by the Obama team... and "advised" not to talk about it.

You mean, at least the ones that didn't have "work accidents", back in the day...

272 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:15:09pm

Major find:
[Link: fultonhistory.com...]

Here's the money quote:
NEW Y0RK( AP) — Three women who have been in
jail for more than a month in connection with a violent
demonstration against a South African rugby team
have been dentafbail again because they refuse to tell
who is putting up the money to get them out.
Margot [Pelletier], 29, Donna Borup, and Mary Pattee,
SO, indicated through their lawyers that they will
peal the decision to federal court. They are being
Id at Hikers Island on riot charges.

This one puts Margot at age 29. Incidentally, if you search google for "Margot Pelletier" and "donna borup" nothing comes up because the transcription of the newspaper article that google searches misspells Margot's last name as "Peueoer."

273 RTLM  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:16:32pm

Obama chose his friends carefully.

274 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:16:32pm

re: #212 dentate

Well, he went from Occidental College to Columbia to Harvard. That is quite a leap. And I know something about those places. He didn't get into Harvard by saying "please." There would have been applications filled out, money involved, transcripts without which it could not have happened. Unfortunately, those things are stored away out of sight. I am 100% certain that his Harvard Law application still exists somewhere. Oh, for a leak from the Harvard Law Admissions Office.

Word is, he had a powerful advocate for his admission. Plus, since his father went there, he was a "legacy".

275 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:16:49pm

re: #272 Jimmy the Notable

Sorry, I didn't spell check that transcript. It was a copy-paste from the .pdf file.

276 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:16:50pm

re: #269 Pvt Bin Jammin
Ah, my bad, PBJ!
But I still think there may have been something or someone at Occidental that made Barry move on to Columbia

277 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:17:14pm

re: #252 Pvt Bin Jammin

Do you think this could possibly be the same Sekou Odinga that was a witness to the Brinks defense?

[Link: www.thetalkingdrum.com...]

Almost certainly the same guy. They all got very light jail sentences for the Brinks job, because they all squealed on each other, and cut deals with the prosecutor. Everything about his bio says it's the same guy.

278 willowone  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:17:36pm

hmm Racer must be on next thread

279 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:17:54pm

re: #266 realwest

It's a real schlep from Park Slope Brooklyn to Columbia U. Columbia U is actually - and was when Obama went there, inside the generally accepted boundaries of Harlem. Would seem to me that he would find an apartment in Harlem, not Park Slope.
HEY ZOMBIE - have you checked phone books from the time period when Obama was at Columbia - unless unlisted, it would also show his address.
But, as I said in my #238, I wonder if Occidental college might prove to be a fruitful lead?

Well, Obama himself said he lived in Park Slope, so that's where that connection comes from. I'm just curious as to how close he lived to these two WU operatives, in terms of address.

280 Penguinchic  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:19:09pm

Zombie, I'll let you know tomorrow what I find.

281 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:19:11pm

re: #254 Jimmy the Notable

Well, no, the quote was from a picture from the 80s. I was chucking at the spelling of too.
-----
Zombie, has Obama ever mentioned the actual address he lived at in Brooklyn? One of the protesters mentioned in the newspaper article about the acid throwing lived at 331 13th street, which is in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Another one lived just four blocks away. Obama mentioned living in Park Slope.

I don't think Obama ever actually lived in Brooklyn. He just made that shit up to get the Brooklyn vote. The phone book don't lie: he stayed in the same apartment for at least 4 years.

At least half of what he says about his time in NY is a lie.

282 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:20:48pm

re: #260 kuchuklambat

somewhere i saw (but never finished reading) a discussion of Obama's money trail that starts with his 2 Palestinian roommates at Occidental; does that ring any lizard bells?

They were Pakistani, not Palestinian.

That's why he moved in with a Pakistani when he arrived in NY -- he was a friend of O's roommates.

283 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:21:15pm

re: #281 zombie

I don't think Obama ever actually lived in Brooklyn. He just made that shit up to get the Brooklyn vote. The phone book don't lie: he stayed in the same apartment for at least 4 years.

At least half of what he says about his time in NY is a lie.

Well what I'm getting at is that if he actually lived in Park Slope, he lived right on top of two different women directly involved in the acid attack at JFK. Interesting place for him to say he lived, but didn't.

284 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:21:37pm

re: #261 Jimmy the Notable

Here's the names of the two who lived in Park Slope:
Donna Borup, 29
Margot Pelletier, 20.

Ms. Pelletier, 20, doesn't she seem the right age to be someone attending a university? possibly Columbia? Can we find this out?

PLEASE DO!

Send the info you find, if any, here.

285 stevieray  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:22:20pm

re: #277 zombie

I know someone who works for the Newark Star-Ledger [if he didn't get laid-off in last week's downsizing].

Do you want me to reach out to him and see if he can go through their archives? They were a major paper at that time -- they may have something useful.

Otherwise, I would suggest you find a NYC cop. They probably have something in their files from those protests. They were almost as good at infiltration as the Feds.

286 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:22:45pm

re: #253 zombie

Okay, that is weird.

287 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:23:02pm

re: #254 Jimmy the Notable

... One of the protesters mentioned in the newspaper article about the acid throwing lived at 331 13th street, which is in Park Slope, Brooklyn. Another one lived just four blocks away. Obama mentioned living in Park Slope.

That's 3 blocks from where I live...

288 Edouard  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:24:15pm

Zombie -- Let's just say I do know a few things about Occidental College at the time Obama attended there, circa 1980, 1981.

I am aware that that segment of Obama's biography is rather shrouded and I wish I could shed more light on him personally then and there, but I cannot although I believe I remember him.

I am aware of one professor at Occidental who was an avowed Marxist during that time. His name is Norman Cohen and he is still around, now retired and a Professor Emeritus of History. Perhaps he can be googled/e-mailed for his recollections. This is fragmentary, I'm aware.

One thing I remember about Professor Cohen is that he was known for giving only A's and B's because failing students was too bourgeois, or something.

289 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:24:29pm

re: #266 realwest

It's a real schlep from Park Slope Brooklyn to Columbia U. Columbia U is actually - and was when Obama went there, inside the generally accepted boundaries of Harlem. Would seem to me that he would find an apartment in Harlem, not Park Slope.
HEY ZOMBIE - have you checked phone books from the time period when Obama was at Columbia - unless unlisted, it would also show his address.
But, as I said in my #238, I wonder if Occidental college might prove to be a fruitful lead?

Look at the essay again -- I have pictures of the NY phone book listings already in there!

As for Occidental: This essay is specifically about September 1981 in NY. I need to focus on that.

290 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:24:37pm

re: #227 Peter Verkooijen

Jack Cashill offered another major clue that Bill Ayers recruited Obama when both were in New York in the early 1980 - although he himself seems to miss that point. Cashill mentions a metaphor used by both Obama and Ayers:


I think I've read somewhere that in Obama's book the passage was somehow connected to another first-name-only character who recruits him for community organizing work. I don't have the book, so I can't check. Does anyone have it? Or another URL about this passage?

I dunno about this. I heard about a part of the river down there where the river actually DOES change direction - they were going to use the phenomenon to try to generate power. I thought it was in the East River (maybe Hell's Gate?). So that could just be something that the local people talk about.

291 TheConservator  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:24:49pm

Zombie--

Columbia gave me free tuition, room and board, and employed my wife. I paid nothing for the year I spent there. I understand that that kind of a deal was less likely, but still theoretically possible, for an undergrad.

However, the apartment described in your article sure doesn't sound like student housing. Which means Columbia did not do the same for Obama.

The only physical mementos I still have from my year at Columbia are my thesis (on the preface to the pseudo-Isodorean decretals--don't ask), and a transcript. Nothing that would help with your work, alas.

I do remember there was a student newspaper (The Spectator?), and they liked to report on student activism. I do think I remember the arpartheid issue being big at the time. I assume there are back issues of it somewhere at Columbia. Have you looked through/had anyone look through that?

292 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:25:20pm

re: #276 realwest

I am close to Occidental. I don't have much time right now but would be willing to give a few hours to help our Zombie. My time is so limited, however, I would need specific instruction. I can't just go to the Pizza joint or talk to the profs. LOL

293 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:25:34pm

re: #272 Jimmy the Notable

Major find:
[Link: fultonhistory.com...]

Here's the money quote:
NEW Y0RK( AP) — Three women who have been in
jail for more than a month in connection with a violent
demonstration against a South African rugby team
have been dentafbail again because they refuse to tell
who is putting up the money to get them out.
Margot [Pelletier], 29, Donna Borup, and Mary Pattee,
SO, indicated through their lawyers that they will
peal the decision to federal court. They are being
Id at Hikers Island on riot charges.

This one puts Margot at age 29. Incidentally, if you search google for "Margot Pelletier" and "donna borup" nothing comes up because the transcription of the newspaper article that google searches misspells Margot's last name as "Peueoer."

Thanks. Noted.

294 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:26:20pm

re: #283 Jimmy the Notable

Well what I'm getting at is that if he actually lived in Park Slope, he lived right on top of two different women directly involved in the acid attack at JFK. Interesting place for him to say he lived, but didn't.

His story seems to be that he often crashed at other people's places, which would fit with being in a community of activists at that time. So yes, it would be interesting to know if there was any connection between Obama and those two women - what are their names? who were they? I haven't really followed the thread...

295 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:28:19pm

re: #290 Optimizer

I dunno about this. I heard about a part of the river down there where the river actually DOES change direction - they were going to use the phenomenon to try to generate power. I thought it was in the East River (maybe Hell's Gate?). So that could just be something that the local people talk about.

I'm local. I never heard it. But that's not the point. Both books use it as a metaphor, as a literary device. And I think I've read somewhere that in Obama's book it was connected with a character that recruited him for community organizing, which sounded like obviously Ayers to me.

296 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:28:58pm

re: #285 stevieray

I know someone who works for the Newark Star-Ledger [if he didn't get laid-off in last week's downsizing].

Do you want me to reach out to him and see if he can go through their archives? They were a major paper at that time -- they may have something useful.

Otherwise, I would suggest you find a NYC cop. They probably have something in their files from those protests. They were almost as good at infiltration as the Feds.

Exactly what I was thinking. Since it's an old case, they would probably talk. Just make sure they're patriotic.

297 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:30:03pm

re: #289 zombie
Yep, duly noted and apologized to PBJ for my error.
And I know you're focusing on '81 and Columbia, but I'm still curious as to what or who made Barry leave Occidental to go to Columbia - see #292 - if you have any specific info on Obama at Occidental maybe PBJ can run that to ground.
Sure be interesting if someone else in the Weather Underground OR SDS (they weren't the same, btw) was at Occidental and wound up at Columbia when Barry got there.

298 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:30:58pm

re: #292 Pvt Bin Jammin

I am close to Occidental. I don't have much time right now but would be willing to give a few hours to help our Zombie. My time is so limited, however, I would need specific instruction. I can't just go to the Pizza joint or talk to the profs. LOL

Similar for me. I have no time at the moment unfortunately, but if anyone can come up with specific assignments around Park Slope I'd like to help.

299 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:37pm

re: #291 TheConservator

Zombie--


I do remember there was a student newspaper (The Spectator?), and they liked to report on student activism. I do think I remember the arpartheid issue being big at the time. I assume there are back issues of it somewhere at Columbia. Have you looked through/had anyone look through that?

Are these in the library?

300 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:31:56pm

re: #285 stevieray

I know someone who works for the Newark Star-Ledger [if he didn't get laid-off in last week's downsizing].

Do you want me to reach out to him and see if he can go through their archives? They were a major paper at that time -- they may have something useful.

Yes! Maybe he can dig something up. But this would have to happen IMMEDIATELY -- i.e. tomorrow at the latest.

I'm not so interested in the Brinks case -- lots of info on that -- but rather on te JFK Airpoort incident. And any connections between any anti-Apartheid protests and Columbia.

Email any results here. Thanks.

301 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:34:25pm

re: #298 Peter Verkooijen

Similar for me. I have no time at the moment unfortunately, but if anyone can come up with specific assignments around Park Slope I'd like to help.

Zombie...please take note! Peter is in NY! I could give you a few hours on the Occidental thing....maybe even enlist Desert Sage. Let us know.

302 realwest  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:09pm

Well Crap. I haven't been of any help to zombie at all, damnit!
And, having taken my meds a while ago, I must go to sleep NOW!
Zom, I'm sorry I was of no help, but my admiration for your work is enormous. Good luck with that final version.
And to all y'all - I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!

Goodnight, all.

303 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:13pm
The East River’s unique character also played a role. The river’s tide changes direction each day, flowing north and then turning around and pushing toward the ocean.

Not exactly a mystery

304 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:35:43pm

re: #288 Edouard

Zombie -- Let's just say I do know a few things about Occidental College at the time Obama attended there, circa 1980, 1981.

I am aware that that segment of Obama's biography is rather shrouded and I wish I could shed more light on him personally then and there, but I cannot although I believe I remember him.

I am aware of one professor at Occidental who was an avowed Marxist during that time. His name is Norman Cohen and he is still around, now retired and a Professor Emeritus of History. Perhaps he can be googled/e-mailed for his recollections. This is fragmentary, I'm aware.

One thing I remember about Professor Cohen is that he was known for giving only A's and B's because failing students was too bourgeois, or something.

If you, my friend, get the gumption to contact Professor Cohen and get him to spill the goods on Obama, email the results here. But it will have to be you. I have no time.

305 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:15pm

My brother was at Occidental at the same time as Obama, but barely remembers seeing him. However, my brother was "friended" by Obama at MySpace, based on that "connection." I don't do MySpace, but maybe Obama's page has a clue on it.

306 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:36:44pm

re: #302 realwest

Realwest, you are doing just fine. I'm sure Zombie appreciates everything. Take care and we'll see you in the morning.

307 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:37:32pm

re: #291 TheConservator

I do remember there was a student newspaper (The Spectator?), and they liked to report on student activism. I do think I remember the arpartheid issue being big at the time. I assume there are back issues of it somewhere at Columbia. Have you looked through/had anyone look through that?

Added to my pile of possible future leads!

308 yenta-fada  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:37:44pm

Of course, there's always the 'follow the money' trail. How rich is Raila Odinga?
[Link: wanjuguna.blogspot.com...]

309 stevieray  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:41:31pm

re: #300 zombie

I'll call him in the morning.

310 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:43:03pm

re: #261 Jimmy the Notable

Here's the names of the two who lived in Park Slope:
Donna Borup, 29
Margot Pelletier, 20.

Ms. Pelletier, 20, doesn't she seem the right age to be someone attending a university? possibly Columbia? Can we find this out?

First Google hit on Donna Borup is Wanted by FBI, on #30, for crime #31 = Interstate Flight - Assault of Police Officer

No idea what it means....

311 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:43:15pm

re: #301 Pvt Bin Jammin

Zombie...please take note! Peter is in NY! I could give you a few hours on the Occidental thing....maybe even enlist Desert Sage. Let us know.

Well, frankly, I can't imagine what can be done "on the ground" at either place. Reporters have already been crawling all over Columbia for over a year, with no results. There's more info about Occidental, but I think the dirt from there is already all well-known and out on the table.

312 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:44:08pm

re: #308 yenta-fada

Dang, I am "hearting" that comment so I can read it when I am wide awake. Looks interesting.

313 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:45:13pm

Kind of interesting Seattle Times article on Obama's years in L.A. and NYC here.

Lots of names of people who knew him, but not willing to give up much information. (Zombie, I assume you've been aware of this article for quite some time...posting it just in case someone notices something in it.)

314 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:45:26pm

re: #305 wrenchwench

My brother was at Occidental at the same time as Obama, but barely remembers seeing him. However, my brother was "friended" by Obama at MySpace, based on that "connection." I don't do MySpace, but maybe Obama's page has a clue on it.

REALLY? First time I've ever heard of anyone who remembers Obama at all!

Could you interview your brother about his memories of Obama and on-campus anti-Aparthied activism, and post the results here?

315 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:45:51pm

Biography - Cohen, Norman J. (1943-): An article from: Contemporary Authors

It's probably not him, but...

Price: $9.95
Available for download now.

316 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:46:14pm

I'm puzzled that Obama would choose to live at 339 E 94th, which is right in the borderlands of the affluent Upper East Side and East/Spanish Harlem. This is near 1st Avenue, mind you, quite far east, and a sizeable distance from Columbia, which is above the NW corner of Central Park, in the area between 8th/Morningside and Amsterdam Ave, and 110-116th St or so. He'd have to take a bus across 96th St through the park, and then a bus on CPW/8th or the subway that runs below. Pretty big hassle. Why did he choose to live at this considerable distance from school/

317 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:46:35pm

re: #258 jcm

Life has become cheap....

Sick, sick fucks.


Five, minutes can I have five minutes alone with this fuck?

Please let me go first!

318 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:46:45pm

re: #311 zombie
Either way. If you need any help, let me know. I will be on the threads quite a bit or Charles could e-mail me.

319 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:47:12pm

re: #313 capitalist piglet

Kind of interesting Seattle Times article on Obama's years in L.A. and NYC here.

Lots of names of people who knew him, but not willing to give up much information. (Zombie, I assume you've been aware of this article for quite some time...posting it just in case someone notices something in it.)

Thanks! Noted. Will check it out. Not sure if it's already in my pile.

320 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:47:58pm

Another Donna Borup mention, in a book by Ward Churchill.

321 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:48:22pm

re: #316 neocon hippie

I am only a three-time NY visitor and I kind of wondered too.

322 SWPaul  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:48:44pm

re: #33 hermeneutics

Hence why I'm going to go through all of my old punk footage from 81 to 83. I don't have many of the smaller bands, but I have a Bad Brains concert from '82 that he could have possibly attended. If you know punk, Bad Brains was the first all-black (and all incredible) punk band, really popular with youth at that time. There's also a few Black Flag videos from '81 and '83. And a Minor Threat ('81 maybe?) but I don't he would go to that one.
If he says he hung out with punks, there's a good possibility I could find that out. If I spot something, you all will be the first to know!

323 Optimizer  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:49:16pm

re: #295 Peter Verkooijen

I'm local. I never heard it. But that's not the point. Both books use it as a metaphor, as a literary device. And I think I've read somewhere that in Obama's book it was connected with a character that recruited him for community organizing, which sounded like obviously Ayers to me.

OK, you sold me!

Say, has anybody looked at an alumni directory for Obama? It probably wouldn't tell much, but it might at least say if he graduated, and when.

324 Throbert McGee  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:49:28pm

re: #149 yenta-fada

For a monolingual self-righteous d!ckhead who lectures people to be more 'worldly' I cringe at the Spanish accent Obama uses when he says "Chicano".

Oh no he di'int!

[scrolls up to listen to the audio clip]

OH YES HE DID! Priceless! And What. A. Twat.

Incidentally, I have spent years trying to acquire Russian as a second language, and that includes a lot of care in learning and attempting to articulate the phonetic differences between, e.g., the Russian "т" and the English "t".

And yet if I have occasion to use a Russian word while speaking in English, guess what? I use a fucking anglicized pronunciation of the Russian word. Which is to say, quite differently from how I'd pronounce the exact same word if the entire conversation were taking place po-russki. The flip side is also true -- if I'm speaking to Russians in THEIR native language, and I happen to mention that I live near "Washington," D.C., I'd pronounce it Russian-style, something like vush-ink-TOHN, rather than switching to American English phonemes in the middle of a Russian sentence. But speaking to the exact same Russians in MY native language, I'd say WA-shing-tin.

325 neocon hippie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:49:47pm

re: #321 Pvt Bin Jammin

It's one odd piece of the oddity of Obama's Columbia years.

326 lennysquiggy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:51:08pm

Great work, Zombie.

Here's something for you - probably won't lead anywhere, but what the hell.

Nathaniel Burns (aka Sekou Odinga) wasn't just a witness for the defense in the Brinks Robbery trial. He was involved in the robbery.

Odinga was a prominent member of the Black Panther Party. ([Link: mxgm.org...]

Odinga's son was rapper Yaki Kadafi (aka Yafeu Akiyele Fula).

According to Wikipedia, "Fula met Tupac Shakur through their parents - they had met during the late 1970s at a black rights meeting."

Of course, Shakur's parents, aunt, grandmother and godfather were involved with the Panthers and all had a thing for shooting at the police. They were also either in hiding or in New York City in the early 1980s, much like Bill Ayres.

Obviously there are some missing links here, but if you can connect Obama to Shakur at any point in the 1990s (maybe he attended Shakur or Fula's funerals?), maybe it would lead to a link back to the 1980s between Ayres/Odinga and Obama. Maybe even further back with Frank Marshall Davis.

Or not.

327 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:51:27pm

I don't know what this means, but it came from a comment at ABC

Intellectuals: Who Needs Them?

A public gathering
sponsored by
The Center for Public Intellectuals
&
the University of Illinois-Chicago

:15-3:45 p.m.
IV. Intellectuals in Times of Crisis
Experiences and applications of intellectual work in urgent situations.

William Ayers, UIC, College of Education; author of Fugitive Days
Douglass Cassel, Northwestern University, Center for International Human Rights
Cathy Cohen, University of Chicago, Political Science
Salim Muwakkil, Chicago Tribune; In These Times
Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator
Barbara Ransby, UIC, African-American Studies (moderator)

328 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:51:37pm

re: #316 neocon hippie

I'm puzzled that Obama would choose to live at 339 E 94th, which is right in the borderlands of the affluent Upper East Side and East/Spanish Harlem. This is near 1st Avenue, mind you, quite far east, and a sizeable distance from Columbia, which is above the NW corner of Central Park, in the area between 8th/Morningside and Amsterdam Ave, and 110-116th St or so. He'd have to take a bus across 96th St through the park, and then a bus on CPW/8th or the subway that runs below. Pretty big hassle. Why did he choose to live at this considerable distance from school/

Those distances do not seem unusual to me for New York. Upper East Side and Brooklyn are still popular picks for students. They're a good compromise between price and quality of the neighborhoods. The subway system is really effective. ;-)

329 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:53:35pm

re: #323 Optimizer

OK, you sold me!

I'm not trying to sell you anything. I'm asking if anybody has that book and can check. Or if anybody remembers an article/URL that mentioned that connection.

330 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:55:21pm

re: #326 lennysquiggy

Great work, Zombie.

Here's something for you - probably won't lead anywhere, but what the hell.

Nathaniel Burns (aka Sekou Odinga) wasn't just a witness for the defense in the Brinks Robbery trial. He was involved in the robbery.

Odinga was a prominent member of the Black Panther Party. ([Link: mxgm.org...]

Odinga's son was rapper Yaki Kadafi (aka Yafeu Akiyele Fula).

According to Wikipedia, "Fula met Tupac Shakur through their parents - they had met during the late 1970s at a black rights meeting."

Of course, Shakur's parents, aunt, grandmother and godfather were involved with the Panthers and all had a thing for shooting at the police. They were also either in hiding or in New York City in the early 1980s, much like Bill Ayres.

Obviously there are some missing links here, but if you can connect Obama to Shakur at any point in the 1990s (maybe he attended Shakur or Fula's funerals?), maybe it would lead to a link back to the 1980s between Ayres/Odinga and Obama. Maybe even further back with Frank Marshall Davis.

Or not.

Very intriguing. I will say that I am open to receiving any such info that is dug up, but no way will I have the time to dig it up myself. Email any and all results to me here.

331 Jimmy the Notable  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:55:48pm

Mary Patten, one of the women from the JFK attack, and Bill Ayers both donated to the Crossroads Fund, which Barack Obama was involved in. The donor list is huge, though, and we already know Barack has current relations with domestic terrorists, so this isn't much help. Its here anyway.
[Link: www.scribd.com...]

332 zombie  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:56:54pm

re: #331 Jimmy the Notable

Mary Patten, one of the women from the JFK attack, and Bill Ayers both donated to the Crossroads Fund, which Barack Obama was involved in. The donor list is huge, though, and we already know Barack has current relations with domestic terrorists, so this isn't much help. Its here anyway.
[Link: www.scribd.com...]

Interesting. Added to the list.

333 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:57:17pm

re: #326 lennysquiggy

Great work, Zombie.

Here's something for you - probably won't lead anywhere, but what the hell.

Nathaniel Burns (aka Sekou Odinga) wasn't just a witness for the defense in the Brinks Robbery trial. He was involved in the robbery.

Odinga was a prominent member of the Black Panther Party. ([Link: mxgm.org...]

Odinga's son was rapper Yaki Kadafi (aka Yafeu Akiyele Fula).

According to Wikipedia, "Fula met Tupac Shakur through their parents - they had met during the late 1970s at a black rights meeting."

Of course, Shakur's parents, aunt, grandmother and godfather were involved with the Panthers and all had a thing for shooting at the police. They were also either in hiding or in New York City in the early 1980s, much like Bill Ayres.

Obviously there are some missing links here, but if you can connect Obama to Shakur at any point in the 1990s (maybe he attended Shakur or Fula's funerals?), maybe it would lead to a link back to the 1980s between Ayres/Odinga and Obama. Maybe even further back with Frank Marshall Davis.

Or not.

A Tupac Shakur connection sounds far-fetched and silly. And it would only enhance Obama's street cred.

334 kuchuklambat  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:57:33pm

re: #324 Throbert McGee

nice. Try Russian pronunciation of "sir", is a good lower jaw workout.
English "t" is alveolar, i.e. tongue pushes at those bumps on your palate above your teeth (alveoles). Russian t's are dental the tongue pushes thru almost parted teeth. Very crude people, russkies.

335 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:58:03pm

re: #325 neocon hippie

What is wrong with us that we didn't get going on this earlier? I have a personal reason for hating the WU and I used to look them up from time to time but that was before BO was running. The only good thing I can figure out about all of this is that tfk said to hit them with the dirt at the end of the campaign, before they have a chance to lie their way out of it.

336 Adina in Judea  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 10:59:22pm

re: #324 Throbert McGee

And yet if I have occasion to use a Russian word while speaking in English, guess what? I use a fucking anglicized pronunciation of the Russian word. Which is to say, quite differently from how I'd pronounce the exact same word if the entire conversation were taking place po-russki.

I've been wondering if Obambi is copying Israelis when he says things like "Tah-lee-bon" and "Pah-kee-stahn" when he speaks about them.

It's very common in Israel for people to say foreign names in the proper accent when speaking English. It isn't an affectation for them, though. They're bilingual (or trilingual, etc.) and they're speaking to an audience that would rather hear Hebrew names pronounced correctly even when they're listening to someone speak in English.

Once they pronounce all the Hebrew names in the correct accent, it's a small jump to pronounce Arab names in the correct accent (etc.)

Obama didn't say things like "Tah-lee-bon" earlier, so I wonder if he heard this mixture in Israel (by people who don't do this as a mere affectation) and decided that it sounded worldly.

In Obama's case, of course, he's doing as an affectation and it sounds awful.

337 Zimriel  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:01:46pm

I'm a little bit worried that the scandalous, no-one-wants-to-talk-about-it stuff here will be related to the apartheid controversy.

Suppose there is news video of BHO lobbing a sack of doggy poo at a visiting South African dignitary. How does anyone condemn it?

338 Mardukhai  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:03:40pm

zombie -- are you attending the Danny Glover hatefestival at SF State?

339 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:03:49pm

This is a great thread. If anyone wants to know about what people do to disappear in a turbulent world, or wants better concise insight into what lefties do in a desperate situation in times of trouble, just give me a heads-up tomorrow.

Once I was there. I don't forget easily.

I'm sorry about that, truly sorry.

340 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:06:06pm

Nite, Lizards. I have been putting in extra long hours en re my business (plumbing) LOL. I was going to go to the Republican Headquarters tomorrow to volunteer but I will keep this thread up. If anybody needs research, I am fairly good. Dang, local ABC is talking about the LA Times not releasing the tape!

Take care, all. Killgore......VOTE.......please.

341 lennysquiggy  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:06:20pm

#330 Zombie:

I hear you - I'm short on free time as well. One more thing - Tupac Shakur's stepfather was actually the other driver in the Brinks robbery. Didn't remember that until I did some brushing up on my history ([Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I'll email you anything else I find, but I would urge anyone else who is interested to do the same. I'm not sure I'll have the time to do much digging.

342 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:08:08pm

Donna Borup was a member of the May 13th Group.

From American Issues Project research:

When the Weather Underground went through one of its periodic splits into factions about two years ago, the dissension centered in part around the importance some members, including Boudin, attached to feminism and also the desire to align with the black liberation movement and Third World causes, according to a source close to the organization.
The May 19th group was "totally Third World-oriented," the source said, "and insisted that there exists an attitude called "white skin privilege." This faction tended to downgrade the accomplishments of whites, including themselves, the source said.
Within the Weather Underground structure, no key members were black because the group members feared they would not be able to spot a black informer or undercover cop, according to the source. The whites tended to come from graduate school, a world the Weather movement knew well, but blacks were more likely to have a different background and the Weathermen felt they could more easily be fooled on this ground.
343 Mardukhai  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:10:11pm

All of the usual suspects will be there, including Mother Sheehan.

344 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:12:05pm
Dohrn was never charged in that case, it appears Dohrn was the "forger" for Weatherman bogus ID's.

Maybe Dohrn forges birth certificates also?

345 faraway  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:13:27pm

Zombie,you need to issue a press release telling people to take off from work and school this week to help stop the Marxist:)

346 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:21:34pm

Left Behind, NYT, September 22, 2002:

... Brooklyn, where Stewart and Poynter live in a narrow, book-filled town house, provides a quiet base for some of the world's most extreme political groups. It's an unnoticed miracle that there aren't frequent car bombings on Flatbush Avenue and shootouts in Midwood. The Israeli settler movement draws support in the borough; Al Qaeda's predecessor organization had its U.S. headquarters on Atlantic Avenue, not far from the mosques where the sheik used to preach jihad. And remnants of the American left's most hard-core cells have settled around Park Slope. At a book sale on Stewart's behalf, members of the Madame Binh Graphics Collective were donating 20-year-old African liberation posters, while survivors of the May 19 Communist Organization and the United Freedom Front chatted over hors d'oeuvres. The aging American leftists have resurfaced, while the young Arab Islamists are going underground -- a dead movement and a living one, with Lynne Stewart the human link. ...

Again, no idea what it means, but good background.

347 Pvt Bin Jammin  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:24:55pm

This is such a good thread. I have washed my face and ready for bed. Will check it in the am. Keep looking, Lizards. I'll be on the search tomorrow.

348 Edouard  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:28:49pm

re: #315 faraway

Biography - Cohen, Norman J. (1943-): An article from: Contemporary Authors

It's probably not him, but...

Price: $9.95
Available for download now.

Thank you for this, but I don't believe it's the same Norm Cohen who was an Occidental professor --

349 capitalist piglet  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:29:49pm

re: #335 Pvt Bin Jammin

What is wrong with us that we didn't get going on this earlier? I have a personal reason for hating the WU and I used to look them up from time to time but that was before BO was running. The only good thing I can figure out about all of this is that tfk said to hit them with the dirt at the end of the campaign, before they have a chance to lie their way out of it.

I think a lot of people assumed that the mainstream media would get around to doing its job, instead of sitting on stories and suppressing video tapes.

350 Edouard  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:31:22pm

BTW zombie, I did find an e-mail addy & sent a query to Professor Cohen just now. I'll come back to you if anything comes of it.

351 yenta-fada  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:34:42pm

re: #336 Adina in Judea

I'll believe that Obama is copying Israelis when I hear him pronounce 'Israel' as "Yisrael'
or even a common word like 'challah' or 'kee-bootz'. I am not holding my breath. I can only imagine how he might say 'Yom Kippur'. No...wait. He probably practices 'shalom' before the obligatory speech in front of a Jewish group. I'm sure all he learned about Jews he learned at the foot of Jeremiah Wright.

352 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:38:18pm

Margot Pelletier was an artist in 1992.

From the New York Times, keep yr barf bags ready...:

353 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:53:06pm

Eve Rosahn's LinkedIn page

She's a Supervising Attorney at the Legal Aid Society.

354 spidly  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:56:26pm

re: #351 yenta-fada

I'll believe that Obama is copying Israelis when I hear him pronounce 'Israel' as "Yisrael'
or even a common word like 'challah' or 'kee-bootz'. I am not holding my breath. I can only imagine how he might say 'Yom Kippur'. No...wait. He probably practices 'shalom' before the obligatory speech in front of a Jewish group. I'm sure all he learned about Jews he learned at the foot of Jeremiah Wright.

whadda ya think, shabbat or shabbos

I'm sure he has invented memories of being down on the lower east side with a fellow student sharing challah on shabbat. probably can rattle off kiddush in a heartbeat

355 rawmuse  Tue, Oct 28, 2008 11:59:08pm

Aren't those sound bites from Barack's own books on tape?
I have heard them before. Hugh Hewitt was playing choice bits back in August or so.

356 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:02:33am

re: #124 TheConservator

How wide was the range of books there as far as subject matter? And how big was their current events section? Lots of microfilm and microfiche?

357 LeePro  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:03:59am

Great report, Zombie!

FWIW, take a look at this photo at the top of your report... is that a young John Kerry in the background?!?!

358 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:17:31am

re: #166 non-lib Nina

You usually get that on your second parachute jump. Or when you look down at the person 500' below you and see their pilot chute lifting off their back. And, no, you usually do not want to find out what that feels like.

359 Arbalest  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:30:04am

Dr. Khalid Abdullah Tariq al-Mansour, a/k/a Donald Warden, may be a useful link.

It seems that, at his request, Percy Sutton, a former borough president of Manhattan, wrote Obama a letter of recommendation to Harvard.

Note that al-Mansour advises Prince Alwaleed bin Talal in his U.S. investments. This is a Saudi link to Obama, and makes the LATimes video a bit more troubling.

As per this link, “al-Mansour spent the 1960s as a close associate and mentor to Bobby Seale and Huey Newton, the notorious founders of the Black Panther Party”, but (new source) “later broke with them when they entered coalitions with white radical groups”.

Al-Mansour has been a guest lecturer at Harvard University, Columbia University, UCLA

From the links, al-Mansour's views, viz America, are a problem, even more than Wright's.

How did Obama first meet al-Mansour? Those who know won’t say, and no one else seems to know.

A lecture at UCLA (not too far from Occidental) or Columbia seems a possibility. Obama met people, was introduced around, was vetted, chose his friends wisely, … kept in touch.

Al-Mansour had money and ideology and connections. Those connections had connections, who had connections.

Thus, al-Mansour's break with the Black Panthers because of their link with the SDS/Weathermen/etc., poses no major obstacle to the possibility of Obama being associated with al-Mansour and also being introduced to / associated with the Weathermen (or vice-versa).

360 zonkerharris  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:42:36am

Wow! Just wow! This is incredible! Zombie you've done OUTSTANDING work. When I saw that Ayers and Edward Said were friends from their days at Columbia, and that Obama lived in the same neighborhood in NYC, travelled the same circles, and had the same politics, chills went down my spine. There is no way all of these circumstances can be mere coincidences.

361 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 12:50:03am

Posted earlier on another thread. Searching on Eve Rosahn found this interesting post:

oh my god - ayers… the bombings… I think he was there. I think Obama may have been there.
Eve Rosahn - her car was the get away car - the car was registered to her. She and Obama were friends at Columbia. Eve’s mom was Sonya Staff (THE Sonya Staff).
From Dreams From My Father (the father we now believe to be Frank Marshall Davis) and other sources we know that Obama was interested in South Africa divestment in the early 80’s.
At Occidental College Obama gave a well-received speech to kick off an anti-apartheid demonstration. He maintained anti-apartheid interest while at Columbia.
A major focal point of the anti-apartheid movement in the fall of 1981 was the Springboks rugby tour - they were an integrated South African rugby team on a “goodwill” tour of the US, creating controversy and drawing protests everywhere. Some of the protests were violent, including one at John F. Kennedy Airport and bombs were exploded.
The Weather Underground was involved with the Brinks robbery which left two police officers and a security guard dead. The Black Liberation Army was linked to bombings as well. The Brinks robbery was undertaken in order to finance the Springboks bombings.
Here is Eve (owned one of the get away cars) in her own words:

Eve S. Rosahn, Personal Narrative
Submitted via email, April 25, 2000

In 1970 I was part of a NYC organization called the December 4th Movement (D4M), which was organizing support for the New York Panther 21 (ultimately acquitted after a lengthy trial charging them with conspiracy etc.) D4M was focused on forcing specific institutions in NYC to offer bail or other monetary support as reparations for the exploitation of Black people. I was at Columbia University (the District Attorney prosecuting the Panther 21 — Frank Hogan — was a Columbia trustee), and Columbia had gotten an injunction against any type of demonstrations on campus — which we, of course, broke immediately.
On May 5, a number of us were in court, having been arrested for contempt of court for breaking the injunction. I can remember that the CU attorneys, from a giant corporate firm, walked into court expecting we would all get a serious fine and some jail time.
The judge could only shake his head and say “they’re killing our children,” as he let us off with $100 fines!
there’s more… this is just the tip of the iceberg

Unfortunately texasdarlin.wordpress.com is a site Charles has banned, so there must be something wrong with it and I wasn't able to find out who this poster really is.

But an Eve Rosahn-Barack Obama connection would not be inconceivable. They both became lawyers and advocates for "prison reform". Rosahn has apparently become semi-respectable, like Ayers.

Were they friends when she got involved in the Brink's robbery?

Is there any way to find out if Rosahn or her partner or her mother's foundation donated to the Obama campaign?

362 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 1:20:50am

Zombie - fantastic work! Can't wait to see what else might pop up.

What might be of added interest is that BHO might have some connection to anti-Israel activities as well. Don't forget that he had some Islamic education and may have, at that time, fancied himself to be "Muslim radical chic". Anyway, he may have felt he could legitimately embrace both movements concurrently. After all, he had shared a dorm room with a Pakistani at Occidental, travelled to Pakistan in 1981, shared an apartment with another Pakistani in NYC and his mother lived in Pakistan for several years. (Coincidentally, the Hamas-associated Islamic Association for Palestine was founded in 1981 and is based in Illinois. Could this be another connection with Wright? That "church" published Hamas material. Hmmm.) There must have been plenty of anti-Israel activity in 1981+ in the wake of the Israeli bombing of Osirak nuclear facility that same year.

You can see in all of the far-left protests, from way back to the present, the presence of anti-Israel/Islamist elements (PLO flags, "Free Palestine" crap). The PLO got its start with Soviet training and backing (Arafat, Abu Mazen). Marxist thought seems to go together well with hatred of Israel. The stuff is well documented. That Ayers and Khalidi, among other radical leftists and anti-Israel activists, always seem to be around each other, always sharing the same dirty bed, should provide a clue. (The LAT tape should clear some things up. Why not pursue the source as well? Isn't there a legal means to get at it?)

What I'm saying is that anti-Israel activities should also be investigated, as well as the radical left stuff.

363 theblakester  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 1:44:17am

With this kind of info coming to light, and with surely more to come, could he ever get impeached for such deceitfulness if he were to win this thing? I mean for crying out loud, I have said it many of times over that if the media was doing it's job, The One would never have made it through the primaries!

364 theblakester  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 1:53:16am

Can we get the FBI's opinion in all of this? Homeland security? Anyone home in the justice department?

365 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 2:01:13am

re: #364 theblakester

Can we get the FBI's opinion in all of this? Homeland security? Anyone home in the justice department?

I think it's tremendously weird/frustrating/frightening that these agencies haven't (refuse to?) vet BHO. This man, with such obvious terror and radical ties, should never come within a mile near the White House, let alone occupy it. (Will he, Michelle and their rad pals trash the place?) I can't imagine that the flag will fly over that great house with such occupants. What on earth is going on?

366 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 2:19:32am

re: #328 Peter Verkooijen

Those distances do not seem unusual to me for New York. Upper East Side and Brooklyn are still popular picks for students. They're a good compromise between price and quality of the neighborhoods. The subway system is really effective. ;-)

No one can be really sure that BHO was actually a fully enrolled student at Columbia. There's no proof, no records, no access. Maybe it's just an excuse for his radical connections (Ayers, Khalidi, Said, Odinga?) and activities.

367 theblakester  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 2:30:23am

Puzzles are an amazing thing, the longer you work one, the pieces finally begin to fit.

368 bugler365  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 2:31:06am

What I've been saying for over a year now, Obama is the anti-christ. LOL

369 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 2:41:11am

The problem is that it's rather late in the game. But if "reasonable doubt" is broadcast far and wide, maybe a good chunk of the electorate might realize that they will be party to the destruction of the fundamental historical basis of the US and their rights under the Constitution.

370 jester6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 4:34:47am

I was in college in the mid-1980s and at the behest of a friend was temporarily involved in campus politics. I knew people in the Spartacists, the BSO, the GUPS (General Union of Palestinian Students) and many other groups. Their hatred and closed mindedness stay with me to this day. That type of person may come to power to today should scare everyone.

Before reading this report I was holding out hope that Obama's connections were simply the result of a crass politician rising in Chicago. Now I know better.

371 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 4:39:03am

re: #357 LeePro

Great report, Zombie!

FWIW, take a look at this photo at the top of your report... is that a young John Kerry in the background?!?!

Not unless he's a woman.

372 Ledger1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:25:31am

Good Gad, Obama sure hung around with some shady people while at Columbia. He has got his Pakistani drug dealer, and run-down apartment, wears military-surplus khakis and used leather jackets, and associated with robbers with M16’s and body armor.

As zombie note the uncomfortable close proximity to the Brinks Robbery and the protests with explosives is very troubling.

[Zombie]
The Connection Between The Springboks Protest, The Brinks Robbery, and the Weather Underground

According to these Grand Jury Proceedings at the United States Court of Appeals on January 21, 1982, Eve Rosahn was involved in both the Springboks anti-Apartheid protest on September 26, 1981 and the notorious Brinks Robbery of October 20, 1981, which is generally accepted as the last terror attack carried out by the remnants of the Weather Underground:

2. On October 20, 1981, a Brinks armored truck... was robbed by a group of gunmen. Investigation of the Brinks robbery uncovered the facts that one of the "getaway" cars was registered to Eve Rosahn...
3. Eve Rosahn was arrested by New York State authorities on September 26, 1981

4. New York State authorities arrested Rosahn a second time on October 27, 1981, arraigning her on the charge of criminal facilitation of the Brinks robbery and murders.

See: Barack Obama's Close Encounter with the Weather Underground

If Obama any of these violent killers or domestic terrorists he should immediately should come clean and step aside – because it will all come out in the end.

Let’s look at the Brinks Robbery:

The robbery began with Boudin …picking up the getaway vehicle, a U-Haul truck. She waited in a nearby parking lot as her heavily armed accomplices took another vehicle to the Nanuet Mall in Nanuet, New York ... At 3:55 pm, Brinks guards Peter Paige and Joe Trombino emerged from the mall carrying bags of money… the robbers stormed out of their van and attacked. One suspect fired two shotgun blasts into the van's bullet proof windshield, while another opened fire with an M16 rifle. Paige was hit multiple times and killed instantly. Trombino was able to fire a single shot from his handgun, but was soon struck in the shoulder and arm by several rounds, nearly severing his arm from his body. The criminals then took $1.6 million in cash, got back in their van, and fled the scene.

Car swap
After fleeing the scene, the robbers drove to a parking lot where a yellow Honda and U-Haul truck, manned by members of the May 19 Communist Organization, were waiting. The robbers quickly threw the bags of money into the car and truck, and sped away.

Second gunfight
…Boudin, feigning innocence, pleaded with them to put down their guns and convinced them to drop their guard… After the police did lower their weapons, six of the men in the back of the truck, who were armed with automatic weapons and body armor, surprised the four police officers by emerging and opening fire. Officer Brown was hit repeatedly by rifle rounds and collapsed on the ground. One robber then walked up to his prone body and fired several more shots into him with a 9mm handgun, ensuring his death. Keenan was shot in the leg, but managed to duck behind a tree and return fire.

Officer O'Grady lived long enough to empty his revolver, but as he reloaded, he was shot several times with an M16. Ninety minutes later, he died on a hospital operating table. ...Lennon, who was in his cruiser when the shootout began, tried to exit out the front passenger door... He watched as the suspects jumped back into the U-Haul and sped directly towards him. Lennon fired his shotgun several times at the speeding truck as it collided with his police car. The occupants of the U-Haul scattered, some climbing into the yellow Honda, others carjacking a nearby motorist while Boudin attempted to flee on foot...

See: Brinks robbery

373 Ledger1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:30:10am

re: #372 Ledger1

Correction:

If Obama helped any of these violent killers or domestic terrorists he should immediately should come clean and step aside – because it will all come out in the end.

374 jester6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:42:00am

re: #373 Ledger1

Not to beat you up, but read your sentence objectively and critically.

If Obama helped "violent killers" he apparently thought it was OK to do so.

So if it is OK to help "violent killers" why would it not be OK to lie about it to obtain power.

If you were willing to help "violent killers" and it came out in the end what can be done if you have already obtained power.

If Obama is willing to entertain the use of violence as a means to achieve a political end, I don't think lying is going to be a problem for him.

375 SagamoreGal  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:51:20am

re: #24 Womball

"Ohh more Red Meat! I wonder if Drudge will pick this up."

As Mrs Palin would say, "you betcha."

376 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:54am

WTF -

Saw a clip from the tape. Reason we can't release it is because statements Obama said to rile audience up during toast. He congratulates Khalidi for his work saying "Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine" plus there's been "genocide against the Palestinian people by Israelis."
It would be really controversial if it got out. Tha's why they will not even let a transcript get out.

If this is credible, it will be an absolute bombshell.

377 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:09am

Just doing a hit and run comment to congratulate Zombie on his/her terrific work. Citizen journalism at its finest! Over and out.

378 Jed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:26am

His looking for association with 'Marxist professors' is jaw-dropping.

379 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:25am

Zombie,
Long live the new journalism! You rock. Very professional. Indeed, much more professional, and with much less editorial content than ANYTHING I read in the MSM papers. (I read three sunday papers a week, just section1 and the editorials.) If you went to a journalist convention, you'd be an anachronistic anomaly; a thinking human in a room full of robots; the only real cat in a room full of pictures, sculptures, surrealist parodies, and postmodern reinterpretations of cats. One such as I could walk into the room and immediately say without hesitation, "THAT's the real cat, the human, the journalist."

It's early. My sense of idiom is fuzzy in the morning. Nevertheless, watch your back, and please be careful in the forums. Obama's minions, the MSM's toadies, they all would relish taking you down. In whatever sense of that phrase you prefer.

Recap blurb, FTW:
Taqiyyotomist: "[Zombie is]...the only real cat in a room full of pictures, sculptures, surrealist parodies, and postmodern reinterpretations of cats."

380 rumcrook  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:35am

what I get out of this is barak could be a member of the tale end of the weather underground! a protege politico of ayers! who has gone farther and succeeded more than thier wildest dreams.

in his own words he hung with radical socialists and communists

this aptly discribes ayers and his wife and the rest of the w.u. remnents.

talk about electing the manchurian canidate......

381 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:04am

re: #380 rumcrook

"in his own words he hung with radical socialists and communists"

Barak wants to hang with radical socialists and communists?

382 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:49am

Oops. Bad link.
ace.mu.nu/archives/mussolini_hanging1.jpg

383 Taqiyyotomist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:34am

Windows does what it wants. Like adding LGF to the previous link, like adding a space to the end of the last one. What'll it do to this post, I wond

384 zombie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:07am
338 Mardukhai

zombie -- are you attending the Danny Glover hatefestival at SF State?

Nope, sorry. I know about it, but I'm just too busy.

385 zombie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:45am

re: #357 LeePro

Great report, Zombie!

FWIW, take a look at this photo at the top of your report... is that a young John Kerry in the background?!?!

Nope -- that's a woman.

386 Daisy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:41am

Zombie, I'm sure you've seen this. It's worth repeating:

"We know precious little about Obama’s Columbia years, but the Los Angeles Times has reported that he studied under Said. In and of itself, that is meaningless: Said was a hotshot prof and hundreds of students took his comparative-lit courses. But Obama plainly maintained some sort of tie with Said — a photo making the Internet rounds shows Obama conversing with the great man himself at a 1998 Arab American community dinner in Chicago, where the Obamas and Saids were seated together.

Said had a wide circle of radical acquaintances. That circle clearly included Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. When they came out of hiding in the early 1980s (while Obama was attending Columbia), Ayers took education courses at Bank Street College, adjacent to Columbia in Morningside Heights — before earning his doctorate at Columbia’s Teachers College in 1987."

from: [Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

387 pittrader1988  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:58am

There are people in Hyde Park that know the closeness of the relationship. Scared to talk. Afraid of reprisal, and afraid of the press-Ayers has bragged about his relationships, but since Obama declared for the Presidency, has been awfully silent.

Maybe instead of calling the police, he should go up the street and ask Farrakhan if he can use his private body guards.

388 AuldTrafford  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:41:20am

re: #376 ashan

WTF -

If this is credible, it will be an absolute bombshell.

Even if it isn't, with the LAT refusing to release the tape to prove it's false, I'd say the presumption is that it's true.

389 Daisy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:20am

And this is worth highlighting. It's sickening how the MSM has washed out all references re: Obama's real life simply by not reporting them:

[Link: www.cashill.com...]

390 zombie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:54am

re: #386 Daisy

Zombie, I'm sure you've seen this. It's worth repeating:

"We know precious little about Obama’s Columbia years, but the Los Angeles Times has reported that he studied under Said. In and of itself, that is meaningless: Said was a hotshot prof and hundreds of students took his comparative-lit courses. But Obama plainly maintained some sort of tie with Said — a photo making the Internet rounds shows Obama conversing with the great man himself at a 1998 Arab American community dinner in Chicago, where the Obamas and Saids were seated together.

Said had a wide circle of radical acquaintances. That circle clearly included Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. When they came out of hiding in the early 1980s (while Obama was attending Columbia), Ayers took education courses at Bank Street College, adjacent to Columbia in Morningside Heights — before earning his doctorate at Columbia’s Teachers College in 1987."

from: [Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

Yes, it's already in my essay, right underneath the protest photos, in the "Bonus Coincidence" section.

391 Opinionated  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:09am

I want and I try to believe in miracles.

I want and I try to have hope.

I want to shake the feeling that our fellow citizens are foolish beyond any reason and are about to drive our nation into a deep dark hole.

But I am filled with dread.

392 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:06:39am
393 rumcrook  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:07:23am

my question is if he is elected will he and his fellow leftard travelers try to immediatly silence opposition, with laws like the fairness doctrine so all you hear are crickets chirping on am radio, or to outlaw guns imediatly / or will he take the incrementalist aproach and do a little at a time.


im gonna say they go for broke with thier first hundred days.

394 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:13:31am
395 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:20:07am

If BHO gets into the White House (perish the thought), how many days do you think it'll take till the flag comes down? If it came off his jacket, it's surely going to come off the house.

Venture to guess how many days it will take till he sneaks Ayres and other unsavories through the back door and gags (or bribes) the Secret Service (out of Michelle's hateful sight) and service staff?

396 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:22:31am

Oh - and how many days will it take till they trash the place?

397 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:30:44am

re: #393 rumcrook

my question is if he is elected will he and his fellow leftard travelers try to immediatly silence opposition, with laws like the fairness doctrine so all you hear are crickets chirping on am radio, or to outlaw guns imediatly / or will he take the incrementalist aproach and do a little at a time.

im gonna say they go for broke with thier first hundred days.

Definitely incremental approach. He'll appoint some Republicans, hand out goodies to the public, continue his reasonable moderate schtick.

Meanwhile in the background he will stack the courts with far-left judges, he will build out his national community service network, he will create numerous new semi-government "grassroots" institutions that will involve "The People" (his people...) in creating policy ("participatory democracy"), then he will move on to create a national press organization like an American BBC to free "quality journalism" from economic pressures save the dying broadcast and newspaper industry (most of the conservative New York/Washington pundit class will happily join this effort), etc.

398 Jimash  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:32:38am

Another great report from Zombie.
I have always thought that Ayers and Dorhn must have known about the Brinks robbery, and turned themselves in in advance of it to keep themselves out of jail. Dorhn served time for not testifying.
Linking the WU solidly ( through Rosahn, and the fat lawyer) to the Airport thing is NEW and powerful.
Obama's time in New York is still a cipher. Zombie has come closer than anyone to
teasing out the details.
Damn good work !

399 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:33:41am

re: #395 ashan

If BHO gets into the White House (perish the thought), how many days do you think it'll take till the flag comes down? If it came off his jacket, it's surely going to come off the house.

Venture to guess how many days it will take till he sneaks Ayres and other unsavories through the back door and gags (or bribes) the Secret Service (out of Michelle's hateful sight) and service staff?

The flag will be everywhere. Obama will redefine patriotism and claim the symbols for himself.

400 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:37:00am

re: #399 Peter Verkooijen

The flag will be everywhere. Obama will redefine patriotism and claim the symbols for himself.

LOL
I believe you. It's all about him. (oops, I mean, Him.)

401 Jimash  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:40:06am

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

Even without your excellent work here, it has become clear over the campaign that Obama is the Weatherman Candidate, "hidden" in plain sight.

This is how I feel too. The fact that Ayers gets TRASHED dyas nights and weekends by people like us, and says NOTHING, EVER, about it, really puts the chill into your statement.

402 Daisy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:45:58am

re: #390 zombie

Yes, it's already in my essay, right underneath the protest photos, in the "Bonus Coincidence" section.

Thanks for such great work. It makes a difference. I'll need to go back and read everything more carefully.

Buzzsaw is right. Obama is the "hidden" Weatherman - in plain sight.

403 Jimash  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:53:21am

I knew I recognized the name - Timothy Blunk_
From the wikipedia page on Susan Rosenberg:

Rosenberg was born in to a wealthy and privileged family in Manhattan, attending the prestigious Walden School and Barnard College.[4]
In the 1970s and early 1980s Rosenberg used her father's wealth and political influence to controversially push her way into the May 19 Communist Organization, a splinter from the Weather Underground, a violent leftist organization in the United States. [3]
New Jersey had sentenced her to 58 years on weapons and explosives charges. The state denied her parole because of involvement in the Brinks robbing. She was additionally convicted for her role in the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building. (The bombing killed no one, however, it caused considerable damage.) The U.S. Naval War College, an Israeli company and a police benevolent associations were other targets of Rosenberg and her partners.[3][5]
A statement that her compatriots issued, on the occasion of the Capitol bombing, said, "We purposely aimed our attack at the institutions of imperialist rule rather than at individual members of the ruling class. We did not choose to kill any of them this time. But their lives are not sacred."[1]
She was apprehended with Timothy Blunk in 1984 Cherry Hill, New Jersey with 740 pounds of explosives and numerous firearms.
She explained her actions on the WBAI radio station, "I was totally and profoundly influenced by the revolutionary movement in the '60s and '70s."
Her pardon produced a wave of criticism by police and New York elected officials.[6]

This crap went on and on. The connections are multifarious.
IF these connections could be made into a narrative that people could understand ( it is thick) it might change the attitudes in NY, and NJ.

404 Jimash  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:03:14am

"The state denied her parole because of involvement in the Brinks robbing."

And bear in mind that Susan Rosenberg's involvement in the Brinks robbery
( Little white girls driving getaway cars)
is what Bernadine Dorhn spent prison time for refusing to testify about, even as she and Ayers took in the child of Kathy Boudin, who was involved from the 1970 explosion till her conviction and prison time for the Brinks job.

405 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:09:46am

re: #392 buzzsawmonkey

Amazing stuff, zombie. Huge kudos.

Even without your excellent work here, it has become clear over the campaign that Obama is the Weatherman Candidate, "hidden" in plain sight. ...

It may be a stretch to say Obama is a Weatherman candidate. The Weathermen had already splintered into other groups by 1980. Obama was obviously part of that far left activist "underground" though.

I absolutely believe that Ayers and Dohrn recruited Obama in New York in 1981-82 and later brought him to Chicago for the "long march through the institutions" phase of their revolutionary career. But we still don't have proof that they even met. We have nothing that establishes any other connection to the Brink's robbery or the Springboks incident.

Does anyone here have Dreams of my Father? Is there a one-name character in the book that around that time in New York asks Obama to become a community organizer? I remember reading about that somewhere, but can't find it.

Then there's that anonymous claim that Obama was friends with Eve Rosahn. She lived in Park Slope near others of the Springboks group. Obama could have "crashed" there in his student activist days. Rosahn later became a semi-respectable lawyer with a similar "prison reform movement" outlook to Obama.

Can we establish a tie between Obama and Rosahn? Did Rosahn or her mother's foundation perhaps contribute to the Obama campaign? How can I find out?

406 ashan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:14:55am

404 Jimash
( Little spoiled, rich white girls driving getaway cars)

407 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:16:28am

Zombie:

Great job, timing is good - Barack's big media buy tonight has effectively frozen the storyline until Thursday AM, so this has time to percolate a little.

A few things:

1. Have the archived fingerprint sets from the Brinks safehouses forensic examinations been rerun against todays set of fingerprint records?

2. Has Officer Goodstein been contacted? Both for comment and for information he may have. As a victim and a police officer he may have been keeping track of things others have ignored or forgotten.

3. Unfortunately, we don't seem to have time to run a proper link analysis. I have reached out to see if someone has run a link analysis on the WUO and friends as a historical exercise and if it is releasable. If so, I will email it to you.

And, Zombie - be careful - although most of these guys are a little long in the tooth, they may still be dangerous or be able to incite someone else. I would also expect to be outed in short order - if this has any legs and stings, they will push back.

408 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:24:02am

Correction #405: Rosahn was not the one that lived in Park Slope. Donna Borup and Margot Pelletier were in Park Slope. Pelletier was an artist in the early 1990s. Borup is still fugitive or in jail? Rosahn was from Chicago according to the news report Zombie posted.

409 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:26:04am

re: #402 Daisy

At best he's a "Weatherman Candidate" at worst, is he Venceremos Brigades candidate.

410 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:27:10am
411 Jimash  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:32:35am

He's clean. These connections are buried and HE will laugh them off.
His supporters will not even entertatain this information long enough to understand it.

412 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:37:08am

Zombie- typo alert:

Thinking they were attacking the plane containing the Springboks, some of the protesters rushed froward from the main body of protesters and threw "acid" or some kind of corrosive liquid at the plane and at security officials guarding the plane.

Otherwise- great report.

And Buzzsaw- you're more right than you know.

413 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:40:33am

re: #410 buzzsawmonkey

Your post is self-contradictory. You say:

Your second statement says, in effect, that Obama is the Weatherman Candidate.

No, we do not have the proof--yet, though zombie has moved that piece a few more squares down the board. But the close working relationship between Obama and Ayers and Dohrn does indeed suggest...Weatherman Candidate.

Obama would not have had to be involved in either of the last two Weatherman actions for him to be the Weatherman Candidate. All that would be necessary to make that claim a matter of fact and not speculation would be to establish that his political relationship with Ayers goes back to that time. If a connection can also be made between Ayers and his cronies and the Khalid al-Mansour/Sutton letter that got Obama into Harvard Law, that would suggest very strongly that Obama has been groomed to be the Weatherman Candidate for quite some time.

It's a subtle difference, but saying Obama is the Weathermen candidate makes it much easier to dismiss for the Obama campaign. The Weathermen no longer really existed. Remember that stupid "when I was 8 years old" line that seems to have taken hold with some people. Or the "Obama is not a muslim" whining.

We need proof Obama and Ayers/Dohrn met in New York in 1981-83. Or a connection with people involved in the Brink's robbery or Springbok incident. Generalities without proof will backfire. I have the feeling Zombie is very close to something. We need the last piece.

414 zombie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:51:37am

re: #407 de La Valette

And, Zombie - be careful - although most of these guys are a little long in the tooth, they may still be dangerous or be able to incite someone else. I would also expect to be outed in short order - if this has any legs and stings, they will push back.

Don't say such things cavalierly. I most definitely do NOT expect to be outed, now or ever. Just because they may want to out me, doesn't mean they can. I have covered my tracks very, very well. It is no laughing matter.

415 zombie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:54:20am

re: #412 Sharmuta

Zombie- typo alert:

Otherwise- great report.

Thanks. Will be updated with the correction soon.

416 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:13:02am
417 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:22:27am

re: #314 zombie

REALLY? First time I've ever heard of anyone who remembers Obama at all!

Could you interview your brother about his memories of Obama and on-campus anti-Aparthied activism, and post the results here?


Sorry, there's really nothing there. My brother is a flaming moonbat (I have a photo of him from the 90's in a kefiya) and even his recollection of maybe seeing Obama could be wishful thinking on his part. And it may have been Facebook, not MySpace. I'm not at home, so I can't even access the email he sent me until I get home on Election Day.

418 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:24:00am

re: #415 zombie

Well- "froward" is one of my favorite words, but it's clear it's not what you meant.

419 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:32:42am

re: #416 buzzsawmonkey

I'll add that to my list, but really. You don't know how spot on you are.

420 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:36:12am
421 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:37:31am

re: #414 zombie

I'm a pessimist.

If this sticks, one of their first lines of attack is going to be "Who is Zombie?" - as an attempt to discredit the story.

I would lawyer up, just in case. Of course the hard part is finding a lawyer you can trust. Then understand the PR world, so if they do, they wish they had not. Joe the Plumber is sort of a natural at it - most of us aren't.

422 morning star  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:59:33am

Don't forget Obama's strange Pakistan trip.

423 morning star  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:54:55am

re: #308 yenta-fada

I think part of the money might come from Gaddhafi. Jeremiah Wright and Raila Odinga both seem to have connections to him, and Gaddhafi himself claims that "all the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man. They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency."
[Link: www.memritv.org...]

424 meh130  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 2:56:38pm

re: #1 zombie

Has anyone checked those New York phone books for the Ayers' listing?

425 Bard  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 4:00:06pm

Uh - what's wrong with Obama protesting apartheid?

426 Bard  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 4:02:44pm

Ah, never mind - misread leadup for bombshell.

427 Ledger1  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:51:50am

re: #404 Jimash

"And bear in mind that Susan Rosenberg's involvement in the Brinks robbery
( Little white girls driving getaway cars)
is what Bernadine Dorhn spent prison time for refusing to testify about" - Jimash

My guess is the stakes were much higher.

If Dorhn did testify it would have tied her and Ayers to a series of horrible crimes leaving them with little plea bargain power and a whole lot of jail time (and possibly linking Obama or his shady Pakistani drug dealer(s) who probably dealt guns and explosives).

I bet it was sheer political corruption that got Dorhn released. And, in a gross miscarriage of justice she and Ayers become wealth professors who now live in luxury.

Ayers laments about his three comrades killed while packing dynamite and caps into pipes and then wrapping nails to the outside to create potent fragmentary bombs. Yet, those bombs killed police and innocent civilians.

Here is the account of “work place accident” in the Greenwich:

Shortly before noon on Friday, March 6, 1970, people in the townhouse were assembling anti-personnel weapons armed with roofing nails and packed with dynamite… The blast was initially thought to be a series of natural gas explosions, but investigators quickly concluded from the extent of the damage that dynamite or some other powerful explosive was the cause. Gas lines broken by the blast fed an ensuing fire. According to the police investigator in charge, "The people in the house were obviously putting together the component parts of a bomb and they did something wrong."

An initial search turned up a 1916 37-mm. antitank shell. In the following days, a brick-by-brick search of the rubble uncovered 57 sticks of dynamite, four 12-inch (300 mm) pipe bombs packed with dynamite, and 30 blasting caps. The pipe bombs and several eight-stick packages of dynamite had fuses already attached. Also found were timing devices rigged from alarm clocks, maps of the tunnel network underneath Columbia University, and literature of the political protest organization, Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), from which the Weatherman organization... Police described the building as a "bomb factory", and said that at the time of the explosion dynamite was apparently being wrapped in tape with nails embedded to act as shrapnel.

The crime scene was gory. It took nine days of collecting body parts to determine how many persons had died in the blast. Fingerprint records were required to identify the corpses of Theodore Gold, a leader of the 1968 Columbia University student protests, and Diana Oughton, the organizer of the 1969 SDS national convention. As to the identity of the third corpse, rumors circulated in radical circles that it was that of Terry Robbins, a leader of the 1968 Kent State University student rebellion and a founder of the Weathermen, who would be indicted the following month along with 11 others for organizing and inciting riots during the "Days of Rage".

Greenwich Village townhouse explosion

I am very suspicious of Obama during that time (the drugs and the “Pakistani/PLO connection) and I shutter at the thought that he remained silent like Dorhn to possibly conceal bloody crimes and to further his career.

I say get the book on Obama during those Columbia years. No more bombs from Chicago thugs or soft political treatment.


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