“Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine”

The Bible says otherwise.

Yeah, it'll be released November 4, 2008 at 9pm PST

That kind of candor is what we are likely to see less and less of in the days to come.

If they release this video, 0bama can kiss the Jewish vote good-bye.*

*If this is an accurate description

Un fucking real. LA Times is a rag...they had no problem releasing candor tapes of Arnold...

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

Oiy veh. Genocide? Really? Oiy Vey.

Don't forget to Buzz this and Share This story, Lizards.

re: #1 Sharmuta

“Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine”

The Bible says otherwise.

There was an Israel before there was a Palestine.
Disregarding the indisputable historical fact that the Jews as a group have as much of a historical claim to Israel as *ANY* group of people have to *ANY* piece of land, there are a number of obvious reasons why Israel should be supported anyway.

Namely, that Israel is the only Western-style democracy in the area, the only one that offers full civil liberties to Arabs, and that the other MULTIPLE Palestinian states (eg Syria, Egypt, Gaza, and to a lesser extent Jordan and Lebanon) are all corrupt thugocracies.

re: #7 Sharmuta

Don't forget to Buzz this and Share This story, Lizards.

Only if it's true.

I haven't seen this one mentions, so may I offer a novel thought on Obama's welfare plan......

Most people increase their earnings as they get older. This makes sense since a person's value to any organization increases as he/she gains experience.

The Obama plan is to take money from higher earners and give it to lower earners...essentially, subsidizing inexperienced workers with the labor of the experienced workers.

This may explain why Obama is gettting the youth vote. Don't these youth's understand, however, that they will one day get older?

IF true, this is a nail in the coffin plus pall bearers and six feet of biased dirt with a dirge read by the NY Times.

The MSM is going to have a tough time in the near future no matter who wins.

re: #9 So?

Only if it's true.

How would you know?

If its untrue, it would be trivial for the LA Times to prove it as such, wouldn't it?

OT

THe San Gabriel Mountains of California in the light of morning. The Towercam, Pacific time zone.

And a Merton quote (he's the guy in the avatar):

"It seems to me that the basic problem is not political, it apolitical and human. One of the most important things to do is to keep cutting deliberately through political lines and barriers and emphasizing the fact that these are largely fabrications and that there is another dimension, a genuine reality , totally opposed to the fictions of politics: the human dimension which politics pretend to arrogate entirely to themselves. This is the necessary first step along the long way toward the perhaps impossible task of purifying, humanizing and somehow illuminating politics themselves. Is this possible? At least we must try to hope that, otherwise all is over. But politics as they now stand are hopeless."

— Thomas Merton

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If true - that might do it, for some independents.

I am now of the opinion that sitting on that tape for so long, with such feeble excuses, is more damaging as time goes on than anything which actually is on the tape.

The mem now is 'B0 has something to hide and is hindering free speech to hide it.'
Quite effective.

(Hamsters seem to be dying on their little paws - dunno if this will actually get posted ...)

Apparently - Americans want an inexperienced, anti-American, racist, Marxist, Pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel, lying, Rezko-money-grubbing, tax and spend for "fairness" utra left-wing progressive.

But, he does have a nice smile - so - Obama does win the high school/dancing with the stars category.

Here's the link to the pdf file of the "FictionFixer" textual analysis comparing Dreams of My Father to Fugitive Days.

[Link: www.wnd.com...]

The expert conclusion is that either Dreams of My Father was written by the author of Fugitive Days, or the author of Fugitive Days acted as "book doctor" to Obama's memoir. The correspondence in the, writing style, format & selection & frequency of key words is astounding.

OT - Ace has finally posted story about BO affair (flaming skull & all)

Unfortunately, story is lacking detail and may not have much impact. See for yourself

If the LA Times were to release the tape at this point they would have scrubbed it -- making Charlie Gibson's attack on Sarah Palin look like a smooth-cut edit job.

re: #14 MandyManners

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Quoted in agreement

I missed my flight out of La Guardia. The airline wanted $687 to reschedule my flight. It would cost $551 just for a one-way ticket!

Screw them, we are driving a rental car back to Detroit.

Demagog Obama who says one thing to one group and another thing to another ("bitter, cling"), could certainly have said that in such a group.

This is how the L.A. Times will be forced into releasing the tape.

I'm waiting for an ex-Times employee to say the tape contains footage of Obama, Ayers, and Dohrn yucking it up together.

To those prominent -purported strong supporters of Israel- Jews who are vouching for and giving character witness for and campaigning for Obama:

How will you live with yourselves when his true nature is reveled and you have contributed to and share responsibility for the damage he will do?

That's you Koch, and Dershowitz, and the Democrat lackeys who put Party above decency. And all the rest of you assholes who fit the description.

re: #10 DeafDog

I haven't seen this one mentions, so may I offer a novel thought on Obama's welfare plan......

Most people increase their earnings as they get older. This makes sense since a person's value to any organization increases as he/she gains experience.

The Obama plan is to take money from higher earners and give it to lower earners...essentially, subsidizing inexperienced workers with the labor of the experienced workers.

This may explain why Obama is gettting the youth vote. Don't these youth's understand, however, that they will one day get older?

The problem with youth is they still live in the fairy tale world we raised them in. They have not yet had to deal with reality.

Assuming it's true, I ask how much this will damage him in the eyes of secularized Jews in America.

re: #10 DeafDog

I haven't seen this one mentions, so may I offer a novel thought on Obama's welfare plan......

Most people increase their earnings as they get older. This makes sense since a person's value to any organization increases as he/she gains experience.

The Obama plan is to take money from higher earners and give it to lower earners...essentially, subsidizing inexperienced workers with the labor of the experienced workers.

This may explain why Obama is gettting the youth vote. Don't these youth's understand, however, that they will one day get older?

No.
Its part of being young that one cannot envisage getting older, or dying.

For young people, 'old' is anybody over 30. It won't happen to them, they think ...
Next week is already something unimaginable, never mind next year, or ten years ...

(Good news is: one does grow out of this attitude, with time!)

re: #6 So?

Oiy veh. Genocide? Really? Oiy Vey.

There's more Palestinians now than there were in '67. Worst. Genocide. Ever.

re: #25 Racer X

This is how the L.A. Times will be forced into releasing the tape.

I'm waiting for an ex-Times employee to say the tape contains footage of Obama, Ayers, and Dohrn yucking it up together.

That threesome yucking it up isn't as good as this rumor.

Shout it from the rooftops- make the Times prove it's not true, because keeping silent about it now that this is out would only make it believable.

The larger issue is this is not getting any legs from any of the media (what a shock) and although I hope it has some impact on the election it's going to be tough without coverage. The complicit media, cable, print and network, have already gone all in for Obama. They aren't going to give this story much coverage.

This is truly the year the media in this country died.

re: #26 Opinionated

To those prominent -purported strong supporters of Israel- Jews who are vouching for and giving character witness for and campaigning for Obama:

How will you live with yourselves when his true nature is reveled and you have contributed to and share responsibility for the damage he will do?

That's you Koch, and Dershowitz, and the Democrat lackeys who put Party above decency. And all the rest of you assholes who fit the description.

They haven't figured out yet that they are enabling the Adolph Hitler of our times.

Ace was running a donation campaign...offering $25,000 for the video. Newt told Hannity last night that if he offered $50,000 the tape would surely show up on his desk...

If only real life were like shows such as CSI and Law & Order! One of the good guys would convince a judge to sign a search warrant in the middle of the night or approve a Freedom of Information request the day it was filed and we'd have our answer lickety-split.

How can we the people make the right decision for our country if important information is withheld from us?

LAT Quislings.

The goofy denizens of the film industry are only people who read that fecal-stained propoganda rag.

The LA Times should just put Obama's big "O" campaign symbol above their masthead.

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If memory serves me wasn't it Newsweek that sat on the Clintion/Lewinsky story until after his reelection?
The public's right to know is not absolute when a Dem pol needs protection.

2 Faced shit-eating bastard who call themselves "News Organizations" like the LAT are why I don't care enough about journalists to piss on one if he was on fire.

re: #32 Pickles

The larger issue is this is not getting any legs from any of the
media (what a shock) and although I hope it has some impact on the
election it's going to be tough without coverage. The complicit media,
cable, print and network, have already gone all in for Obama. They
aren't going to give this story much coverage.

This is truly the year the media in this country died.

Unfortunately, they're taking the rest of the country out with them. Like a suicide bomber.

re: #28 MandyManners

Assuming it's true, I ask how much this will damage him in the eyes of secularized Jews in America.

Having read what buzzsawmonkey keeps reporting, I would sadly say, not a lot.

re: #1 Sharmuta

The Bible says otherwise.

The Koran says otherwise for crying out loud, hahaha. God-given was such a poor choice of words.

Wouldn't it be amazing if Drudge was slipped a copy?

wink. wink.

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

No: Americans want the endless whining of race hustlers to end, and would like a young, engaging, and articulate President. That is what they have been sold.

But that packaging was crafted to conceal an inexperienced, anti-American, racist, Marxist, Pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel, lying, Rezko-money-grubbing, tax and spend for "fairness" utra left-wing progressive--which is what, G-d forbid, they may end up buying.

Per his own book, and obvious need to prove himself "black" and to prove himself to his absent father, I think that many of these associations may be lacking deep conviction: they were tools to an end, which was personal ambition. If faced with congressional opposition, someone like BO is likely to compromise his "ideals" in order to further his prestige and legacy. Unfortunately, he will not face such opposition. This makes the 2010 election CRITICAL.

re: #24 buzzsawmonkey

No: Americans want the endless whining of race hustlers to end, and would like a young, engaging, and articulate President. That is what they have been sold.

But that packaging was crafted to conceal an inexperienced, anti-American, racist, Marxist, Pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel, lying, Rezko-money-grubbing, tax and spend for "fairness" utra left-wing progressive--which is what, G-d forbid, they may end up buying.

Indeed.
I keep forgetting we see right through the Obama's phony "moderate" facade.

re: #28 MandyManners

Assuming it's true, I ask how much this will damage him in the eyes of secularized Jews in America.

I'm afraid not at all Mandy.

Given the kinds of statements that Khalidi and all the other Israel bashers have stated in the past, Obama's anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian (alleged) statements sound very probable...I seriously doubt that Obama (if this individual ever becomes the Pres) would ever, ever act in such a way as to actually defend Israel (o sure, he yaks about that whenever he needs votes -- but I don't, for a minute, believe Obama's serious about supporting Israel.)

re: #39 opnion

If memory serves me wasn't it Newsweek that sat on the Clintion/Lewinsky story until after his reelection?
The public's right to know is not absolute when a Dem pol needs protection.

Lookit how long they sat on the Edwards scandal.

Where is the Inquirer when we need 'em.

re: #35 Josephine

If only real life were like shows such as CSI and Law & Order! One of the good guys would convince a judge to sign a search warrant in the middle of the night or approve a Freedom of Information request the day it was filed and we'd have our answer lickety-split.

FOIA's only apply to the government.

And just for the record on this thread, the post over at
[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]
provides a fictitious script of that event.

Again, don't let anyone think that post is for real.
Much less, don't let anyone accuse any of us as passing it off as legit.

I've alerted the PUMAs.

There must have been lots of people at the party. Maybe somebody will speak up.

Three reasons to go John Galt.

Ugh.

I believe this almost as much as I believe Philip Berg and the troofers. One blog quoting another blog quoting an unnamed source doesn't do much for me. As much as I can believe bias on LAT's part, I can't believe it over a rare opportunity to actually make some money. If the tape was explosive, they'd be using it the best way they could to make up for the fact that they're bleeding money and have nothing in the way of positive revenue projections.

BTW - anyone seen any polling numbers today (particularly Zogby, IBD, Gallup and Rassmussen)?!

re: #40 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

2 Faced shit-eating bastard who call themselves "News Organizations" like the LAT are why I don't care enough about journalists to piss on one if he was on fire.

Ah, get off the fence and tell us what you really think, Kragar.

I had the feeling all along it was something like this!

L.A. Times, release that video!

re: #36 Ojoe

How can we the people make the right decision for our country if important information is withheld from us?

Isn't that the whole idea?

Somebody please 'splain to me why anyone would give a tape to a FREAKIN' NEWSPAPER and then not want it released or even QUOTED FROM?

re: #38 realwest

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Might have something to do with the problems of posting and ESPECIALLY getting new comments!

Hiya, {rw}!

Yep - can't get no 'new comments' either - but posting seems ok for now.

Yesterday was awful. I've come to the conclusion that I must be an lgf-addict, because I got soo cross, not being able to get my daily fix!

How are you doing?

re: #57 MandyManners

Ah, get off the fence and tell us what you really think, Kragar.

I would, but it might hurt some feelings

re: #49 unreconstructed rebel

Lookit how long they sat on the Edwards scandal.

Where is the Inquirer when we need 'em.

Those Bigfoot/Area 51/Britney's illicit lovechild stories don't write themselves, you know.

If the tape ever hits the public and this is true, then I suspect there will be FURY! over the coverup. At least in my house.

re: #53 Ward Cleaver

There must have been lots of people at the party. Maybe somebody will speak up.

And take the hit after the election? Not likely.

re: #47 realwest

I'm afraid not at all Mandy.

From what I've seen here, secularized Jews are willing to give up some land in exchange for peace but, not the whole matzo ball.

re: #53 Ward Cleaver

There must have been lots of people at the party. Maybe somebody will speak up.

Sure, if they wanna end up dead in a muddy park with clean shoes.

/purple smoke

i have a hard time believing that a respected pillar of the journalistic community such as the LA Times would not publish the facts as they know them, and trust their readers to decide for themselves the import of them......

/a whole FY worth of white smoke %-)

re: #60 Izzy Dunne

Somebody please 'splain to me why anyone would give a tape to a FREAKIN' NEWSPAPER and then not want it released or even QUOTED FROM?

Can't think of a single reason. Must be why I don't believe them.

re: #28 MandyManners

Assuming it's true, I ask how much this will damage him in the eyes of secularized Jews in America.

Just because this is common news to those of us who care, those who get their news from the NY times, and NBC, and the rest of Obama press office, don't have a clue about any of this.

There is a parallel campaign here, and not only on this issue.

Those knowledgeable about Obama's roots and core are for McCain. The infatuated ignorant looking for an American idol President- or foolishly believing that they will punish the Republicans for the situation but remain unscathed by the consequences- are for Obama.

re: #55 Jamie

You may be underestimating the liberal media impulse to economic suicide.
Note Air America as one example.

re: #59 The Archivist

The idea is elitist, that they know better than the common person.

Quislings all.

re: #50 MandyManners

FOIA's only apply to the government.

Oh.

I wonder if that is also the case in Canada.

re: #45 dentate

He could have done something less dispicable than joining the Democrat Party. I don't know, something like joining the Crips or shooting a rap "artist".

re: #60 Izzy Dunne

Somebody please 'splain to me why anyone would give a tape to a FREAKIN' NEWSPAPER and then not want it released or even QUOTED FROM?

"Here, hide this"

?

re: #55 Jamie

I believe this almost as much as I believe Philip Berg and the troofers. One blog quoting another blog quoting an unnamed source doesn't do much for me. As much as I can believe bias on LAT's part, I can't believe it over a rare opportunity to actually make some money. If the tape was explosive, they'd be using it the best way they could to make up for the fact that they're bleeding money and have nothing in the way of positive revenue projections.

IF the tape is explosive and BO knows it, and the LAT sits on it, then a President Obama will OWE them. Access like that is an investment that might appear worth more than the tape itself.

re: #60 Izzy Dunne

Somebody please 'splain to me why anyone would give a tape to a FREAKIN' NEWSPAPER and then not want it released or even QUOTED FROM?

Maybe it was taken surreptiously by someone who was highly alarmed.

re: #34 cblesz

Ace was running a donation campaign...offering $25,000 for the video. Newt told Hannity last night that if he offered $50,000 the tape would surely show up on his desk...

So Newt has the tape and he's open to a bid?

re: #17 Kenneth

Caution, Caution Will Robinson. "software voice analysts" and still waiting for human experts to make determinations on correlations is Too generic an argument yet for me to start passing this around.

re: #55 Jamie

I believe this almost as much as I believe Philip Berg and the troofers. One blog quoting another blog quoting an unnamed source doesn't do much for me. As much as I can believe bias on LAT's part, I can't believe it over a rare opportunity to actually make some money. If the tape was explosive, they'd be using it the best way they could to make up for the fact that they're bleeding money and have nothing in the way of positive revenue projections.

Well, the NYT could've sold a million extra copies if they had featured John Edward's affair front page above the fold. And that would've been in NYC alone.

You don't know LA Times people. Bleeding money to them is a proof positive of their loyalty to Obama. You need to understand what's going on here but it sounds like you're a bit too good hearted to see the reality of the situation.

re: #54 FrogMarch

Three reasons to go John Galt.

Ugh.

The Axis of Taxes

HA!

re: #33 unreconstructed rebel

They haven't figured out yet that they are enabling the Adolph Hitler of our times.

Obama is not Hitler.

But you don't have to be Hitler to do harm.

If Obama would just do a press conference rather than hiding, maybe we can ask him what's on that tape and what did he say during the roast.

Drip. Drip. Drip. His campaign is slowly hemorrhaging while he hides waiting for the clock to run out.

re: #69 Sharmuta

Can't think of a single reason. Must be why I don't believe them.

They didn't give away their last copy. Why not mail another to us?

re: #67 OldLineTexan

Sure, if they wanna end up dead in a muddy park with clean shoes.

You mean "get the Vince Foster treatment"?

The NY/LA Times believes Sarah Palin's wardrobe & Cindy McCain's long ago pill-popping are central the McCain candidacy.

Ayers, Dohrn, Rezko, Wright, Pfleger, Khalidi, et al are unimportant distractions not even worthy of mention when it comes to Obama's candidacy.

re: #62 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I would, but it might hurt some feelings

The narcissistic, nattering nabobs of negativity don't have feelings that should be regarded as legitimate by the rest of us.

re: #72 Ojoe

The idea is elitist, that they know better than the common person.

Quislings all.

Quisling was trying to save his arse and ingratiate himself with the new Overlords.

These people want to BE the new Overlords.

IMO, the entire press thinks that Woodward and Bernstein overthrew Nixon, and that THEY are heirs to the office of POTUS. The power behind the throne, if you will.

re: #66 MandyManners

There was a survey conducted (last year? I believe) in which American Jews were asked about their level of support for the State of Israel -- the younger generation (a large number of them) expressed zero concerns/commitment to Israel -- so even if the State of Israel were under threat, they don't care...(there were some other disturbing conclusions -- but, o well.)

re: #60 Izzy Dunne

Somebody please 'splain to me why anyone would give a tape to a FREAKIN' NEWSPAPER and then not want it released or even QUOTED FROM?

So, if they gave it to the LAT & the LAT decided to suppress, I wonder who else got a copy?

re: #86 Ward Cleaver

You mean "get the Vince Foster treatment"?

That is precisely it.

/But don't worry, nothing SUSPICIOUS happened to him.

re: #70 Opinionated

Just because this is common news to those of us who care, those who get their news from the NY times, and NBC, and the rest of Obama press office, don't have a clue about any of this.

There is a parallel campaign here, and not only on this issue.

Those knowledgeable about Obama's roots and core are for McCain. The infatuated ignorant looking for an American idol President- or foolishly believing that they will punish the Republicans for the situation but remain unscathed by the consequences- are for Obama.

I'm not talking about the electorate at large. I'm talking about secularized Jews.

re: #89 OldLineTexan

Yes, they want power, unmerited power at that, and not regulated by the ballot box.

But Quisling, he met a premature end.

re: #73 Josephine

Oh.

I wonder if that is also the case in Canada.

I've never served one on a governmental body there.

As Rand Simberg says: Prove me wrong, L.A. Times, prove me wrong!

re: #88 MandyManners

The narcissistic, nattering nabobs of negativity don't have feelings that should be regarded as legitimate by the rest of us.

I meant here. Dont want to get hit with a ban hammer or the dreaded [deleted]. Journalists can eat a bag of dicks for all I care

re: #53 Ward Cleaver
Hi Ward! I don't think anyone will voluntarily speak up with anything "unpleasant" about Obama after seeing the way Joe The Plumber got worked over by the MSM.
Sad - MSM was almost dead and buried but joined the Democratic (sic) Party before they shoveled the dirt in.

re: #36 Ojoe

How can we the people make the right decision for our country if important information is withheld from us?

LAT Quislings.

because they've already decided for you what that "right decision" is, and they're a bit bitter that you're still clinging to another different one. %-)

re: #82 OldLineTexan

The Axis of Taxes

HA!

The Axis of Taxes.
Brilliant!

re: #55 Jamie

I believe this almost as much as I believe Philip Berg and the troofers. One blog quoting another blog quoting an unnamed source doesn't do much for me. As much as I can believe bias on LAT's part, I can't believe it over a rare opportunity to actually make some money. If the tape was explosive, they'd be using it the best way they could to make up for the fact that they're bleeding money and have nothing in the way of positive revenue projections.

I agree that it pays to be careful with that quote, as Charles himself has made explicit, above.

I disagree that they would publish this video tape if it had 'explosive content' - they cannot afford to be on the wrong side of B0, money or not.

If the tape was generally innocent, they would of course have published it by now.

I think there must be more in that tape than what this person told. These quotes are not surprising, coming from B0. Similar stuff has been out there for some time now - especially his forked-tongue approach to both Palis and Jews in America.

Could it be that this is some sort of sop, thrown into the jaws of the slavering bloggers, to keep them occupied until after 11/04?
And that there is far more damaging stuff on it?

I wonder which accent Obama used for this occasion? I'm guessing it wasn't the deep southern one...

re: #97 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I meant here. Dont want to get hit with a ban hammer or the dreaded [deleted]. Journalists can eat a bag of dicks for all I care

Maybe this place has a buffet.

re: #91 unreconstructed rebel

So, if they gave it to the LAT & the LAT decided to suppress, I wonder who else got a copy?

Yes, and whether or not they want Obama's possible opinions or actions to be exposed. (Keeping in mind we don't know what the tape shows.)

If...IF...that is accurate,might it not revive all the BHO is a closet Muslim/Arab talk? Given the fact that the Bible states the Israelites are the chosen people and that area is their historic homeland (of course, the Elamites, Midanites and other Cannanites my argue otherwise) his alleged statement is either further evidence of his craven political opportunism or that he really does not believe what the Bible says.

re: #83 Opinionated

Obama is not Hitler.

But you don't have to be Hitler to do harm.

Inasmuch as he is promising unspecified change to a people too afraid to think, I think he is. Class warfare is class warfare.

If true:

that's a home run,
a rear naked choke,
a google,
a try,
a goal,
a hole in one,
a basket,
a touchdown,
a clear round ...

whew, you get the idea!

re: #43 Basho

The Koran says otherwise for crying out loud, hahaha. God-given was such a poor choice of words.

Speaking of the Koran and Jerusalem. You know if that city was such a sacred place for Islam - you think the Koran would mention it at least once right? Nope, no mention of Jerusalem in the Koran. Not a one.

The Bible however, Jerusalem is mentioned something around 800 times. 650 in the OT and 150 in the NT (rounding).

re: #49 unreconstructed rebel

Lookit how long they sat on the Edwards scandal.

Where is the Inquirer when we need 'em.

I think that this all ties into J school students claiming that they want to build a better society rather than do their jobs & report the news

re: #93 MandyManners

I'm not talking about the electorate at large. I'm talking about secularized Jews.

Same as everyone else.

And the issue isn't a question of being secular. You don't have to be religious to understand Obama is dangerous to Israel....and more important to the United States.

Hmmm, perhaps the LA Times promised not to release anything too damaging to Obama? It seems they only keep promises when it is in their best interest to do so. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter what Obama says or does, a large number of people will still vote for this nut. All they see is the "glow". As bad as things are with the corruption in politics, with the economy, with the world, all people care about is the glow and the historic significance. Even if they had conclusive proof of him doing some horrible crime, I would guess that at least 50% of his supporters would still vote for him.

It is really scary that some people are willing to sacrifice the well being of their country so a historic event can take place. Unfortunately our party system and the media decide who the popular candidate will be, not the people. We don't really have much to do with it these days.

From Italy where Socialism works greathas Italy so far in debt they don't know what to do!

re: #56 realwest

BTW - anyone seen any polling numbers today (particularly Zogby, IBD, Gallup and Rassmussen)?!

Doesn't matter. State-by-State is all that matters here. Nationals mean squat.

re: #77 MandyManners
Or maybe the identity of the person who took the videotape would be apparent to those who were there, and then he'd get the Vince Foster treatment, not the Joe The Plumber Treatment - and no, I'm not kidding.

The cat may not be out of the bag but just the fact that there is a cat in the bag is going to make undecideds think twice.
Obama may be screwed either way.

re: #97 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

I
meant here. Dont want to get hit with a ban hammer or the dreaded
[deleted]. Journalists can eat a bag of dicks for all I care

Have you seen what a bag of dicks is going for at Whole Foods? It's more expensive than arugula!

re: #55 Jamie

I believe this almost as much as I believe Philip Berg and the troofers. One blog quoting another blog quoting an unnamed source doesn't do much for me. As much as I can believe bias on LAT's part, I can't believe it over a rare opportunity to actually make some money. If the tape was explosive, they'd be using it the best way they could to make up for the fact that they're bleeding money and have nothing in the way of positive revenue projections.

they are. by suppressing the video, they are insuring a bigger slice of the bailout pie when Obanal goes to fix the news paper industry.....

Rasmussen

50 - 47% Obama +3

11 - 85 - 50 (D/R/I) Obama
87 - 13 - 45 (D/R/I) McCain

This is incredible, folks. It also means that Ras has "adjusted" his partisan balance from a +7.2% Dem to around a +3 to 4 % Dem. Reality is setting in.

Great news.

All the polls are neutral or shifting toward Mac.

re: #28 MandyManners

Assuming it's true, I ask how much this will damage him in the eyes of secularized Jews in America.

If true, I am not sure even secular Jews (pretty broad group that includes strong support for Israel) could let that slide. At least one would hope.

The common person hears the word "Palestine" and they have no idea what to think or why they should care. The growing narrative is that they are a persecuted people with a trendy scarf hated by oversensitive Bush lovers that need special world humanitarian attention. That means that they will be (and are already) embraced by the left and the MSM and their "persecutors" (the Jooos) should become the subject of UN resolutions. Given this, quite frankly, I don't see why the LA Times hasn't released the video already.

re: #91 unreconstructed rebel

So, if they gave it to the LAT & the LAT decided to suppress, I wonder who else got a copy?

I think we can comfortably assume that the person being roasted has a copy of the video. It's not unreasonable to assume that other attendees have copies as well. Would you video someone's wedding and not offer copies to the bride and groom as well as their immediate family members?

re: #106 unreconstructed rebel

Inasmuch as he is promising unspecified change to a people too afraid to think, I think he is. Class warfare is class warfare.

Hitler was a genocidal murderer. Comparing Obama to Hitler diminishes us and our real fears about Obama.

Palestinians IN THE MIDEAST phoning Americans for Obama. I kid you not.

Obama is using Palestinians in his GOTV effort.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

gtg

re: #108 Junior

Speaking of the Koran and Jerusalem. You know if that city was such a sacred place for Islam - you think the Koran would mention it at least once right? Nope, no mention of Jerusalem in the Koran. Not a one.

Here's much more on the Muslim claim to Jerusalem.

re: #95 MandyManners

I've never served one on a governmental body there.

Thanks, Mandy.

Are there any circumstances under which a private organization might be compelled to release information, other than a matter before the court (criminal or civil)?

Is there any way the LA Times could be forced by a court to release the tape if it is only thought to be for the public good and not in relation to any crime?

I know that's not about to happen; I'm just curious about the process, if there is one.

re: #79 notutopia

This is not a flakey sci-fi piece of software. FictionFixer is used in the publication industry to analyse books to assess their readability & potential profitability. Publishers use the software because it works.

Did you read the report? The software counts various attributes of a written text, for example the number of sentences per paragraph. Take any two books and you might find a wide range in those 2 counts. But with "Dreams of My father" and "Fugitive Days", the counts are very close. Even more striking is the choice & frequency of particular adjectives & adverbs. Not only is there a high correlation, the ranking of the frequency of the use of these words is also very close. In fact, in all the areas measured, the correlation between the 2 books was very high. In contrast, when the software compared "Dreams of My father" with "The Audacity of Hope" the correlations were low. This suggests Obama actually wrote his second book, but not his first.

re: #35 Josephine

If only real life were like shows such as CSI and Law & Order! One of the good guys would convince a judge to sign a search warrant in the middle of the night or approve a Freedom of Information request the day it was filed and we'd have our answer lickety-split.

Only problem with that TV fantasy is that no crime was alleged to have been committed during this "toast" (that would be subject to a search warrant) and that the LA Times is not a governmental entity (subject to the FOIA). We all know the LA Times is up to no good withholding this video before the election, but there's no way We The People are gonna force them to release the tape short of what's already being done, though we might have a bit more traction with the McCain/Palin campaign having gotten into the mix.

Color me skeptical. I'll believe it when I see the tape.

#55 Jamie:

Wrong, in the case of the LAT, ideology trumps money.

They figure they will get rewarded after the Barry Hussein (purchased) victory.

re: #108 Junior

The Hadiths do mention that after the Jews of Medina rejected Mohammad saying he was not their Messiah, Mo changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca. In other words, the only references to Jerusalem in holy Islamic texts specifically reject Jerusalem as a holy city for Muslims.

re: #121 Opinionated

Hitler was a genocidal murderer. Comparing Obama to Hitler diminishes us and our real fears about Obama.

I guess I need to pray that neither of us ever have to recall this conversation. Because, if we do, it will be a very bitter memory.

Please do not overlook his buddy Ayers comment about the need to eliminate 25 millions of American citizens refusing reeducation. As I have pointed out many times, in the century just past, 100,000,000 souls perished at the hands of the socialist experiment. Socialists are known for playing rough with those who get in the way of the Perfect State. Hitler was not unique.

re: #126 talon_262

Yeah, I know. I was just dreaming.

OT,

It looks like Acorn is going to get hit with a RICO charge. Good

re: #105 calcajun

If...IF...that is accurate,might it not revive all the BHO is a closet Muslim/Arab talk? Given the fact that the Bible states the Israelites are the chosen people and that area is their historic homeland (of course, the Elamites, Midanites and other Cannanites my argue otherwise) his alleged statement is either further evidence of his craven political opportunism or that he really does not believe what the Bible says.

The Koran says: "And We said to the Israelites after him: Dwell in the land: and when the promise of the next life shall come to pass, we will bring you both together in judgment."

Of course, Islamists like to ignore this.

Hey, they'd release it in a second if it contained national security secrets.

Charles, here's the reply I got back from the LA Times:

The Los Angeles Times Letters Desk looks forward to receiving your Obama/Rashidi video comments on news coverage and commentaries published in our paper.

If you wish your comments to be considered for publication in the newspaper as a Letter to the Editor, please send them to the e-mail address, letters@latimes.com

PLEASE NOTE: NO GROUP E-MAILINGS OR ATTACHMENTS ACCEPTED!

Please keep your letter under 200 words, and be sure to include your full name, street address, city and daytime phone number. They will not publish your street address or your phone number, of course.

Sincerely,
Ralph Drew
Latimes.com customer service

Taketh a page form thy enemies playbook, and beat a steady drumbeat:

0-bama: terrorist lover
Lame Stream Media lies by omission,
0-bama: terrorist lover.
Lame Stream Media lies by omission,
0-bama: terrorist lover.
Lame Stream Media lies by omission,
0-bama: terrorist lover.
Lame Stream Media lies by omission,
0-bama: terrorist lover.
Lame Stream Media lies by omission,

Pass it on.

re: #130 unreconstructed rebel

I guess I need to pray that neither of us ever have to recall this conversation. Because, if we do, it will be a very bitter memory.

Please do not overlook his buddy Ayers comment about the need to eliminate 25 millions of American citizens refusing reeducation. As I have pointed out many times, in the century just past, 100,000,000 souls perished at the hands of the socialist experiment. Socialists are known for playing rough with those who get in the way of the Perfect State. Hitler was not unique.

Not that you owe me anything, but as a Jew with quite a few ancestors who perished in the Polish camps, I really find this comparison disgusting. Obama isn't Hitler. He isn't anything close to Hitler. He is, at the end of the day, a flawed politician, something that would make all Americans filthy rich if it were currency.

re: #134 looking closely

Only if they thought it might get American troops killed. The Media are the Enemy.

Where did the rumor start that the Ayers' are sitting with the Obama's? It's all over now to the point its accepted as fact.

re: #12 looking closely

How would you know?

If its untrue, it would be trivial for the LA Times to prove it as such, wouldn't it?

I don't know if it's true or false. And I personally won't jump to any conclusions or speculation. The media whether MSM or "new media" have been wrong before.

Wait for REAL proof, that's all.

There is a G-d given right to Israel.
There is a UN given right to Israel.

There's no G-d given right to PaleSWINE.

-Someone at MEMRI has to have a contact who was at this party ! Contact MEMRI.
- Increase the "reward" for finding and releasing the tape up to $1,000, 000. Nice retirement package for one of the 75 released LAT staffers.

re: #137 Jamie

He is, at the end of the day, a flawed politician,

He is more then that.

I would think a flawed politician is someone who presents themselves more or less honestly and then maybe goes off track.

Obama is not honest. He is a ambitious agent of radical influences with hidden motives. IMO.

re: #14 MandyManners

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re: #125 Kenneth

This is not a flakey sci-fi piece of software. FictionFixer is used in the publication industry to analyse books to assess their readability & potential profitability. Publishers use the software because it works.

Did you read the report? The software counts various attributes of a written text, for example the number of sentences per paragraph. Take any two books and you might find a wide range in those 2 counts. But with "Dreams of My father" and "Fugitive Days", the counts are very close. Even more striking is the choice & frequency of particular adjectives & adverbs. Not only is there a high correlation, the ranking of the frequency of the use of these words is also very close. In fact, in all the areas measured, the correlation between the 2 books was very high. In contrast, when the software compared "Dreams of My father" with "The Audacity of Hope" the correlations were low. This suggests Obama actually wrote his second book, but not his first.

An alternative explanation is that Fugitive Days and

Dreams of My Father

are the same kind of book, i.e., both memoirs. Also, some of what's being measured here is simply standard patterns of language use. Color me unsurprised that the most frequently used term for attributing quotes in both books is "said". I suspect that quite a lot of texts would share that feature.

re: #132 Iron Fist

It's about damn time!

What does it mean, "rile audience up during toast"? That they got all excited and hysterically happy? With such anti-Israel "luminaries" present, I'm sure they weren't angry. This is BHO's crowd of fellow travellers.

re: #137 Jamie

Not that you owe me anything, but as a Jew with quite a few ancestors who perished in the Polish camps, I really find this comparison disgusting. Obama isn't Hitler. He isn't anything close to Hitler. He is, at the end of the day, a flawed politician, something that would make all Americans filthy rich if it were currency.

If I have offended anyone who has suffered directly from the horrors inflicted by Adolph Hitler, I truely apologize. But I will stand by my statement about socialism in general.

re: #139 Glackinspeil

Go to the Hillbuzz site. It's not a rumor. It's a probable hypotheses based on the guest list of attendees.

#141 Paybacktime

Well perhaps no G.. given right but, vis the UN, at the time the UN asked if those speaking for the motion (partition on the Mandatory territory) accepted it or not, those speaking for (the future) Israel said Yes - those for the Palis said No.

re: #51 The Archivist

And just for the record on this thread, the post over at
[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]
provides a fictitious script of that event.

Again, don't let anyone think that post is for real.
Much less, don't let anyone accuse any of us as passing it off as legit.

hahahahahahhahahahahahhaaa

re: #146 notutopia

Yeah. If DOJ ignores the criminal acts of Acorn much more, they're going to owe the Mafia an appology.

re: #145 JustMyView

It's not just the common use of 1 word that is being compared. All the attribute words (ie. said, asked, thought, & etc.) were analyzed and it was found that a high level of correlation exists, AND that the sequence of frequency of use also shows very high correlation. In fact, the 2 books show a high correlation in all the various tests. That cannot be a random coincidence. By comparison, "The Audacity of Hope" does not show significant correlation to "Dreams of My Father".

Great video from Kansas City with good application to the national scene:

If the video DOES NOT contain these things, then the LaSlimes should have no reason to not release it. Assuming this is true they have every reason to NOT RELEASE it to help their candidate get elected. IHMO.

I would like to suggest putting pressure on Sam Zell, the owner of the LA Times and Chicago Tribune, to force the LA Times to release the tape.

[Link: www.equityinternational.com...]

re: #154 Kenneth

It's not just the common use of 1 word that is being compared. All the attribute words (ie. said, asked, thought, & etc.) were analyzed and it was found that a high level of correlation exists, AND that the sequence of frequency of use also shows very high correlation. In fact, the 2 books show a high correlation in all the various tests. That cannot be a random coincidence. By comparison, "The Audacity of Hope" does not show significant correlation to "Dreams of My Father".

Yes, it can be a random coincidence. To rule that out, you'd need comparisons w/ many more books.

If the L.A. Times had been given damaging video on Sarah Palin, with the understanding it would be reviewed by the Times' staff but never released, you can bet your last dollar that somehow the public's "right to know" would have outweighed their agreement with their source, who was probably a tool of the far-right anyway.

The L.A. Times doesn't even make good birdcage lining any more. May their layoffs continue until they have to shut the whole thing down.

re: #158 JustMyView

I'm sorry, you are just plain wrong. Again. The FictionFixer analysis uses several different comparisons. The 2 books showed high correspondence in all of them. That's no coincidence. Add to that the use of similar metaphors & imagery (nautical terms, the changing direction of flow of the Hudson River), the fact that Ayers was well known in his Chicago neighborhood for offering his help in writing to friends & associates, & the fact that it was soon following the publication of "Dreams of My Father" that Ayers hosted a party for Obama introducing him to the local political scene. We have evidence, motive, opportunity & witnesses connecting Obama & Ayers in a long term close working relationship.

To insist otherwise is to argue against facts. Which you often do, anyway.

The statement Obama made in his debate with Hillary has already been contradicted by published facts. In other words, Obama lied. Yet, he came prepared with that irrelevant "when I was eight years old" talking point. Why have that prepared talking point if Ayers was insignificant? Obama must have something very important to hide to risk lying about it. The relationship including the co-authorship of his "memoirs" seems a very likely explanation.

re: #160 Kenneth

I'm sorry, you are just plain wrong. Again. The FictionFixer analysis uses several different comparisons. The 2 books showed high correspondence in all of them. That's no coincidence. Add to that the use of similar metaphors & imagery (nautical terms, the changing direction of flow of the Hudson River), the fact that Ayers was well known in his Chicago neighborhood for offering his help in writing to friends & associates, & the fact that it was soon following the publication of "Dreams of My Father" that Ayers hosted a party for Obama introducing him to the local political scene. We have evidence, motive, opportunity & witnesses connecting Obama & Ayers in a long term close working relationship.

To insist otherwise is to argue against facts. Which you often do, anyway.

The statement Obama made in his debate with Hillary has already been contradicted by published facts. In other words, Obama lied. Yet, he came prepared with that irrelevant "when I was eight years old" talking point. Why have that prepared talking point if Ayers was insignificant? Obama must have something very important to hide to risk lying about it. The relationship including the co-authorship of his "memoirs" seems a very likely explanation.

It seems likely to you. It doesn't seem likely to me. Again, you are comparing two similar books--both memoirs written in the first person. Anyone who has any experience as a writer can look at those statistics and see that what they are finding is, essentially, commonalities in the way people use language in certain literary genres. If you were able to show that these two memoirs were much more similar to each other than they were to other memoirs, I'd be more impressed.

You might also keep in mind the number of rumors about Obama that have been tossed out and dismissed in the course of this campaign.

I have said this in a precious thread, but if the L.A. Times currently has a tape (if it even exists) THEY WILL NEVER RELEASE IT BEFORE THE ELECTION. They probably wouldn't release it at all. A scrubbed/edited version would probably be easily detected and would imply coverup. Best just to ride it out.

But...if there is a tape, we need to ask two basic questions? Why was it made and who filmed it?

The answer to the first question should be pretty obvious. It would have been done to commemorate the evening. Certainly a copy would have been given to Khalidi and possibly to close family and friends. It was not done by a news organization, but made for personal use.

So who filmed it? Well, if you want to commemorate a special event and you have enough money to do it, you hire a professional videographer. People do it all the time for weddings. I think that is the likely case here. So, if a videographer was hired, through careful investigation we might to be able to figure out what comapny filmed the video. We then may be able to find out the name of the individual who hired them to do it, likely one of the people involved in organizing the party. Once we know who this person(s) is, we can start asking them questions directly and perhaps find out who got copies of the tape, etc. It could, in the end, lead to someone who might be willing to share it, even if the L.A. Times is not. Or, it might reveal that Obama himself recieved a copy of the tape (imagine the implications and the outcry for the Messiah himself to give up the tape).

Forget the L.A. Times. We can't really do much to force them to release the tape. But we might be able to track down other copies by first finding the videographer. I think it is worth a shot.

re: #161 JustMyView

Allegations about Obama may have been refuted or dismissed by his campaign, but that is not the same thing as proven false. Obama publicly stated Ayers was "Just a guy in my neighborhood, a professor at the University". When pressed on it, he admitted he was once on one board with him. It has since come out that Obama was on 2 boards with him, that they both had offices in the same building on the same floor and that Ayers threw Obama a party to launch his career. Why didn't Obama mention any of that during the debate?

Frankly, your willful ignorance is astounding. There are enough facts about Obama's associations with several nasty people (Ayers, Khalidi, Wright, Rezko) to make any reasonable person question his fitness for the job. In my opinion, character is the most important qualification for the job, & I set the bar very high. Obama does not meet it. Yet your argument seems to be that it cannot be proven 100% true that Obama spent lots of time working with this unrepentant terrorist, rather he might have spent only a moderate or small amount of time working with him, so it's ok.

How much association between Obama & Ayers would you think would be too much?

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

I owe you one.

re: #163 Kenneth

Allegations about Obama may have been refuted or dismissed by his campaign, but that is not the same thing as proven false. Obama publicly stated Ayers was "Just a guy in my neighborhood, a professor at the University". When pressed on it, he admitted he was once on one board with him. It has since come out that Obama was on 2 boards with him, that they both had offices in the same building on the same floor and that Ayers threw Obama a party to launch his career. Why didn't Obama mention any of that during the debate?

Frankly, your willful ignorance is astounding. There are enough facts about Obama's associations with several nasty people (Ayers, Khalidi, Wright, Rezko) to make any reasonable person question his fitness for the job. In my opinion, character is the most important qualification for the job, & I set the bar very high. Obama does not meet it. Yet your argument seems to be that it cannot be proven 100% true that Obama spent lots of time working with this unrepentant terrorist, rather he might have spent only a moderate or small amount of time working with him, so it's ok.

How much association between Obama & Ayers would you think would be too much?

I see evidence of any actual nefarious activity as more consequential than amount of time spent in a person's presence. So far, I have yet to see any evidence that Obama's acquaintance w/ Ayers led to any objectionable outcome.

Check this out:
[Link: blog.changeandexperience.com...]

re: #165 JustMyView

The objectionable outcome is the reflection on Obama's character, values & judgment. He thinks it's fine to work with a committed unrepentant Marxist terrorist who has never renounced his revolutionary goals. But at the same time, Obama knows he should lie about it to cover his tracks.

And you're ok with that in a president!?!

re: #167 Kenneth

The objectionable outcome is the reflection on Obama's character, values & judgment. He thinks it's fine to work with a committed unrepentant Marxist terrorist who has never renounced his revolutionary goals. But at the same time, Obama knows he should lie about it to cover his tracks.

And you're ok with that in a president!?!

And let's not forget the whole ACORN suit against CITI Bank where Obama represented ACORN to intimidate CITI into making more sub-prime loans? Obama didn't get into that role without Ayres help.

I'm not sure that Obama has lied about his association w/ Ayers. I think he has downplayed it. I think others have overplayed it.

Saw a clip from the tape. Reason we can’t release it is because statements Obama said to rile audience up during toast. He congratulates Khalidi for his work saying “Israel has no God-given right to occupy Palestine” plus there’s been “genocide against the Palestinian people by Israelis.”

I would run with this as what was said, to disprove it they would have to release the video. If they don't release it then this will stand on it's own as part of what was on it.. and the rest was even more damming.

re: #168 eschew_obfuscation

Yes. That too. And Obama's appointment as Director of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a charity founded by Ayers. The CAC gave Ayers' Small Schools Project several thousands of dollars in grants. Then Ayers & Obama sat on the Woods Fund together. Going way back, Obama worked at the same law firm as did B. Dohrn & his wife Michelle. Obama & Ayers also worked on the same education reform committee in the early 1990's. And Obama reviewed Ayers' book for a local paper. And they both gave papers at the same academic conference organized by Michelle.

Some more on Pal support for the ONE

More Voter Fraud:

[Link: www.wlbt.com...]

re: #15 yma o hyd

If true - that might do it, for some independents.

I am now of the opinion that sitting on that tape for so long, with such feeble excuses, is more damaging as time goes on than anything which actually is on the tape.

The mem now is 'B0 has something to hide and is hindering free speech to hide it.'
Quite effective.

(Hamsters seem to be dying on their little paws - dunno if this will actually get posted ...)

My thoughts exactly. I brought it up yesterday as well, the cover up is always more damaging than the crime. let the rumors fly. As for this direct quote, McCain himself should use it. Then he can say he doesn't know if it is true or not, but all the more reason for this tape to be released, knowing full well it won't be. win-win.

C'mon folks, the odds are heavily in favor of the fact that The One said this or something very "damn" close to it.

Hmmm, until the video is released, I think it's safe to assume that is exactly what Obama said.

There's an old USENET saying:

"They best way to get information isn't to ask a question, but to post the *wrong* information."

Maybe that's the thing to do here; the way to get the LAT to release the tape is to release an inaccurate transcript with all sorts of inflammatory stuff. "Leak" a couple of comments by Obambi, like:

"And I promise to help the peaceful Palestinian people destroy the Zionist entity and push the Jews into the sea."

Couple of things like that making their way around the net will get the tape released, pronto!