LGF

more options

  

Advertisement
Free Shipping on Most Orders

Show top rated links | LinkViewer

Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Politics | Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:48:57 pm PDT

Among the many promises and pledges in Barack Obama’s multi-million dollar infomercial, one statement really stood out: he announced that he will “rebuild the military.”

But somehow, at the same time, he’s planning a “civilian national security force” that is as powerful and well-funded as the US military: Obama outlines plan for national service.

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

The Department of Defense’s current base budget is close to $500 billion. So if he meant that promise, he plans on a total defense budget of about a trillion dollars.

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

92
Hit the tip jar!
refresh | ► spinoff links (13)
Tags: , , ,
Advertisement

786 comments

  • Comments are open and unmoderated, and do not necessarily reflect the views of Little Green Footballs.
  • Obscene, abusive, silly, or annoying remarks may be deleted, but the fact that particular comments remain on the site in no way constitutes an endorsement of their views by Little Green Footballs.
  • Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
  • Comments that advocate violence will be cause for immediate banning with no appeal.
  • Disagreement and debate are welcome, but insults and abuse are not, and may cause your account to be blocked.
  • REMEMBER: posting comments at LGF is a privilege, not a right. Abuse that privilege, and your account will be blocked.

Hide comments | Jump to bottom

1 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:50:18pm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

2 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:50:32pm

are there green firearms?

3 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:51:04pm
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded

National Socialists?

4 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:51:59pm

He's attempting an end run around the Posse Comitatus Act.

5 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:52:18pm
What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” that has that astronomical level of funding?

I really don't want to find out.

6 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:03pm

Fashion question;
Brown or Black shirts, which will WAB choose?

7 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:08pm

Gotta enforce HIS will on US, ya know.

Some of us might no go willingly.

/and he has no idea how many.

8 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:16pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

Posse Comitatus Act

This article is about the Posse Comitatus Act in the United States. For other uses of posse comitatus, see Posse comitatus.
9 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:18pm

re: #3 Shug

National Socialists?

trans-national socialists. In league with Chavez, Il, Castro II... not with Europe as they are starting to pull their heads out and back away from that foolishness

10 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:23pm
11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:32pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

Two words- BWA -HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

12 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:40pm

One of the tactics of fascists was to create mirror organizations.

13 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:06pm

Shouldn't that be "Civilian Farce"?

14 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:20pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

15 SWPaul  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:32pm

Uhhhhhh..........

16 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:33pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

The civilian defense force is an end run around that silly posse comitatus thingy

17 Attaboid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:43pm

Old news. He doesn't realy intend to follow through. ?

18 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:44pm

What the hell is the NOI going to do with $500 billion?

19 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:57pm

I was talking to a B0-peep the other day, who was going on and on about how terrified she was of Blackwater. I brought up the Civilian National Security Force and asked what the difference would be. She said, "Oh, no, it's nothing like that! It's more like a domestic Peace Corps".

20 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:00pm

Ayatollah Khomeini called his the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps -- or Pasdaran, which means "Guardians".

21 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:20pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

guard your nuts

22 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:28pm

Will it have aircraft carriers?

23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:33pm

re: #14 doppelganglander

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

Mexico also- the Federales.

24 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:08pm

re: #14 doppelganglander

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

France = gendarmes, seeing a pattern here?

25 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:14pm

It's already started.

Blank eyed children singing about Dear Leader

Overweight inner city kids goose-stepping for Dear Leader

26 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:29pm

Let me guess - all those thugs from the hood are going to be part of the civilian security force.

27 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:39pm

Are we going to be required to wear a "Che Guevara" uniform?
Or the "Red Star" Ayers likes to wear in the regular basis..

28 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:41pm

Overlapping, competing security forces are a hallmark of totalitarian regimes, ie: Red Army vs KGB, Wehrmacht vs SS. The Ø regime has plans for us all.

29 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:55pm

Another Nobama commercial. Other than the kool-aid drinkers, I think people are really going to start detesting seeing this moron.

30 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:00pm
"We will ask Americans to serve," the Illinois Democrat said. "We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve."

We already have the chance to serve without BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of our confiscated wealth paying for it, BHO. We don't need the federal government to create make-work. This is NOT the Great Depression.

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:03pm
32 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:10pm

It will be chock full of nuts like the koskids.
Those people are insane.

33 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:10pm

Clearly because he knows we would otherwise rise up against him eventually.

34 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:24pm

"What are your qualifications?"
"Rape, Murder, Mayhem, Robbery and Rape"
"You said 'rape' twice"
"I like rape..."

35 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:25pm

What would he plan on doing with a force that large? Rule North America until forcibly removed from power...

36 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:38pm

re: #20 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ayatollah Khomeini called his the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps -- or Pasdaran, which means "Guardians".

I think Stormabteilung has a better ring.

Of course, then you need to find another $500 billion to pay for the competing Schultzstaffelen.

37 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:38pm

I feel like dorothy in Oz, clicking my heels, "i won't be afraid" , "i won't be afraid"

38 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:41pm

Do they get badges?

39 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:01pm

Deduct the 25% defense cut imposed by Kommissar Frank and the goon squads will be rolling in money.

40 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:32pm

WHen I heard that I never did understand what that means. We have a military so what purpose would it serve to have civilians? He needs to explain that one. Sounds frightening. Children turning in their parents for hiding their money? Black Panthers? That is just too weird. Especially since he wants to dis-arm America.

41 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:33pm

re: #34 rawmuse

"What are your qualifications?"
"Rape, Murder, Mayhem, Robbery and Rape"
"You said 'rape' twice"
"I like rape..."

Blazing Saddles! What do I win!

42 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:58pm

OT: PALIN ROARS!... Attacks Obama & LAT On Khalidi Tape-- "If There's a Pulitzer for Excellence in Kowtowing- The LAT Is Winning!"

PALIN SLAMS OBAMA & LA TIMES ON KHALIDI TAPE AT JEW-BASH!

Governor Sarah Palin slammed Barack Obama and the LA Times today for concealing a controversial video from the American public.

The tape shows Obama toasting a former PLO operative at a 2003 Jew-bash in Chicago:

Palin video

Palin demands the LA Times release the tape of Obama toasting former terrorist spokesman Rashid Khalidi. She calls the LA Times, "Obama's pet newspaper."

Here's Sarah Palin on Obama's latest radical friend in the news:

"It must be nice for a candidate to have major news organizations looking after his best interests like that... Politicians would love to have a pet newspaper of their very own. In this case we have a newspaper willing to throw aside even the public's right to know in order to protect a candidate that its own editorial board has endorsed. And, if there's a Pulitzer Prize for excellence in kowtowing then the LA Times-- You're winning!"

More... Doug Ross may have discovered two quotes from the Obama-Khalidi tape.

43 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:01pm

If it looks like a turd and floats like a turd and smells like a turd - it's a Big old BO turd

44 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:07pm

Geheime Staatspolizei - GESTAPO
Gosudarstvennoye Politicheskoye Upravlenie - GPU
Ministerium für Staatssicherheit - STASI
next ......
Civilian National Security Force - CNSF ?

45 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:17pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Do they get badges?

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!

46 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:44pm

re: #34 rawmuse

What's that in your mouth?
mmm... nuffin...
(Lamar pulls gum from cowboys mouth)
ah-hah! Gum! Did you bring enough for everyone?
Well, no I didn't know there'd be so many - (BANG)

47 Mister Ghost  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:08pm

Comrade Charles,
In Glorious Leader Obama's USA (United Socialist America)
you don't ask questions about the National Security Force,
the National Security Force questions you...

48 Jim D  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:19pm

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey


#3: It removes the guns from everyone else.

Nope. Just law abiding citizens. Criminals always get to keep theirs for some reason.

49 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:23pm

Will they wear brown shirts?

...just asking.

50 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:29pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Blazing Saddles! What do I win!

You win the right to move on to level 2!
;)

51 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:32pm

We must keep this pinko fascist pig out of the White House.

To all you Republicans who are STILL refusing to vote for McCain because he's not conservative enough for you, I urge you to put aside that issue and VOTE TO BEAT BHO. Please.

52 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:35pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Do they get badges?

They don't need no steenking badges...

Large and X-L Red shirts will be fine for them... like Acorns' shirts...

53 littleoldlady  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:36pm

re: #18 CIA Reject

What the hell is the NOI going to do with $500 billion?

Oh, thanks oodles for that.

/now I won't sleep at ALL tonight :-(

54 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:41pm

Now that Acorn's outted, he has to have someplace to put the activists...

55 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:53pm

re: #28 Pullus Iulius

Overlapping, competing security forces are a hallmark of totalitarian regimes, ie: Red Army vs KGB, Wehrmacht vs SS. The Ø regime has plans for us all.

The competition is essential to prevent the security forces from challenging the Leader.

Who would thunk that BO was a such a student of Machiavelli...

56 Karridine  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:13pm

Just divisions of brigades of regiments of companies of beefy, strong, well-armed men to patrol America's streets to maintain order and ensure that the clingy, bitter productive people CONTINUE TO PRODUCE and DON'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY, and encourage a positive, NON-CRITICIZING attitude in the population.

Their distinctive brown shirts will have snappy slogans, like "With Obama, forever into a more hopeful, changing future!"

57 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:22pm

The best possible interpretation for this "national security force" is that it's an empty phrase he's throwing out to voters concerned about national security. Seems like an awfully big idea for just that, though.

58 Dublin(CA)Dude  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:30pm

I, for one, am stocking up on ammunition, making sure I have at least a thousand rounds in the house if this joker wins. When the Obamathugs come for me, they'll have a fight on their hands.

59 LSD  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:37pm

Just Great

A new "Red Guard"

Chairman Mao would be proud

60 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:41pm

Shortcut to Civil War.....

Brown shirts enforcing a nation wide gun grab.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:01pm

re: #36 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think Stormabteilung has a better ring.

Of course, then you need to find another $500 billion to pay for the competing Schultzstaffelen.

Too Wagnerian. I just can't imagine Barack diddy-bopping to Ride of the Valkyries.

62 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:12pm

re: #8 gmsc

See! That's the flaw in your thinking. You actually think that the Big O cares about what the constitution says? Just another pesky document to swept away in the new social revolution.

63 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:17pm

re: #54 Thanos

Now that Acorn's outted, he has to have someplace to put the activists...

Ripe pickin's for this force will also be found on swelling unemployment lines.

64 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:26pm

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

65 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:42pm

re: #55 CIA Reject

The new Praetorians..... the Immortals.... the Sacred band... etc.

66 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:50pm
What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?


I have a sneaking suspicion that everyone here will be on a list.

67 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:14pm

I guess that after he takes over, there will be plenty of unemployed people that can apply for the 'Civilian National Security Force'

ACORN is already taking applications.

68 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:17pm

re: #56 Karridine

Just divisions of brigades of regiments of companies of beefy, strong, well-armed men to patrol America's streets to maintain order and ensure that the clingy, bitter productive people CONTINUE TO PRODUCE and DON'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY, and encourage a positive, NON-CRITICIZING attitude in the population.

Their distinctive brown shirts will have snappy slogans, like "With Obama, forever into a more hopeful, changing future!"

Will they get little daggers that say Gott mit Uns, too?

69 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:30pm

The civilian military will be a substitute for welfare. A job and a handout, like the civilian job corps they had after the depression

70 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:42pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Do they get badges?

They don't need no steeeenking badges!

71 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:50pm

So...does this mean he anticipates a palace revolt?

72 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:52pm

re: #29 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Another Nobama commercial. Other than the kool-aid drinkers, I think people are really going to start detesting seeing this moron.

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.

73 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:03pm

re: #23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mexico also- the Federales.

Civilian National Security Force

74 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:07pm
75 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:33pm

re: #51 MandyManners

We must keep this pinko fascist pig out of the White House.

To all you Republicans who are STILL refusing to vote for McCain because he's not conservative enough for you, I urge you to put aside that issue and VOTE TO BEAT BHO. Please.

If you're holding out on voting for McCain because you reckon four years of BHO will leave the country begging for someone with acceptable (to you) conservative credentials in 2012, just think back at what Jimmy Carter did to this nation, and how we are still feeling the effects of it.

76 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:38pm

This guy just gets scarier by the minute. I've been waking up each night with panic attacks!

77 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:38pm

re: #65 Thanos

The new Praetorians..... the Immortals.... the Sacred band... etc.

The Crips.... The Bloods....

78 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:43pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

BRING IT ON MOTHER FUC*&^$!

79 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:54pm

re: #57 arethusa

The best possible interpretation for this "national security force" is that it's an empty phrase he's throwing out to voters concerned about national security. Seems like an awfully big idea for just that, though.

This is for the Peace department freakazoids

[Link: www.thepeacealliance.org...]

80 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:14pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

Charles doesn't exist... he is like Emmanuel Goldstein. A figment used to foment hatred and froth up the party faithful.

81 J.S.  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:22pm

Obama has also promised to de-nuke the United States -- to get rid of nuclear weapons...

Perhaps his "civilian" force will be like those Brits back in WWII -- protecting the "Home Front", eh? The ones marching around, carrying broomsticks over their shoulders in lieu of actual weapons/rifles, and acting all military an' all...it'll all be about "pretend"...

82 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:24pm

re: #32 Typicalwhitey

[Link: s4.tinypic.com...]

83 jaunte  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:27pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

84 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:56pm

re: #53 littleoldlady

Oh, thanks oodles for that.

/now I won't sleep at ALL tonight :-(

Sorry, but it's the first thought that popped into my head.

Kinda like the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man in "Ghost Busters"

85 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:24pm

Obama will recruit young african american fraternity members who have experience chanting the name of the leader and fighting (see youtube video) as well as other DUmmies and they'll protect america against its greatest threats......plumbers, hockey moms, and other who do not know their place in the new America.

I am not sure if its satire

86 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:30pm

Don't we already have "Civilian National Security Forces" in each town, city, county and state? They're called "Police Departments", "Sheriffs", "State Police" and ultimately, the "Federal Bureau of Investigation".

87 Lakedog66[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:44pm
88 FightingBack  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:48pm

A Civilian Security Force?
That was last July. I was only 8 then.

89 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:49pm

re: #72 Spellcheck

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.

I know I am, but I knew long before the fortnight, more like the fortyear, since he's been running about 2 years.

90 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:54pm

If anyone remember the movie, "Escape from New York" which starred Kurt Russells as Snake Plissken? Those black-uniformed soldiers guarding the walls of the largest prison on Earth - the Manhattan Island? They are called the United States Police Corp.

That is what Obama is talking about.

91 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:59pm

re: #83 jaunte

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

Some would be only to happy to do the the bidding of The One.

92 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:08pm

re: #77 CIA Reject

The Crips.... The Bloods....

Minister: As I was saying, Alex, you can be instrumental in changing the public verdict. Do you understand, Alex? Have I made myself clear?
Alex: As an unmuddied lake, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred.

93 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:13pm

re: #75 MandyManners

If you're holding out on voting for McCain because you reckon four years of BHO will leave the country begging for someone with acceptable (to you) conservative credentials in 2012, just think back at what Jimmy Carter did to this nation, and how we are still feeling the effects of it.

That's making an assumption that another election might follow.

94 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:16pm

re: #66 Racer X

I have a sneaking suspicion that everyone here will be on a list.

But since Bambi want to improve our country's culture, that Liszt will be for Chopin.

95 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:24pm

re: #66 Racer X

I have a sneaking suspicion that everyone here will be on a list.

Does Charles have a backup plan to delete files, if need be?

96 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:33pm
What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?


Protect the arugula collectives. He who controls the Arugula controls the universe!

97 Karridine  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:40pm

re: #68 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Will they get little daggers that say Gott mit Uns, too?

Well of COURSE, Vet! God IS on their side, just ask them! They are the elite, the in-crowd, THE Chosen Ones!

98 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:52pm
99 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:00pm

re: #86 Intrepid

Don't we already have "Civilian National Security Forces" in each town, city, county and state? They're called "Police Departments", "Sheriffs", "State Police" and ultimately, the "Federal Bureau of Investigation".

The swore to uphold that funky old piece of paper written by dead white guys.
These will swear fealty to The Marxist One.

100 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:08pm

I really think its totally possible should he get elected and all the dems in power, that talk radio will be dead and many blogs shut down. I fear this man. I never feared any politician like this in all my life. I'm not a young'in either.

101 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:09pm

re: #90 the_flying_pig

Funny I always saw that movie and 'Escape from LA' as a liberals belief in a right wing fascist america

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:11pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

They won't find me, I'll already be dead. If things like that start happening, I'm going to walk in front of a train.

103 Lakedog66  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:18pm

Mao Tse Tung said: Change will come through the barrel of a gun.

104 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:22pm

re: #83 jaunte

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

Fascists are masters of creating both a crisis and the solution to it.

105 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:27pm

I don't mean to be a malcontent, and I'll be dinging the collection bucket in a moment,

But this site REALLY needs a horsepower (hamster-power) upgrade before next Tuesday.

106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:37pm

re: #86 Intrepid

Don't we already have "Civilian National Security Forces" in each town, city, county and state? They're called "Police Departments", "Sheriffs", "State Police" and ultimately, the "Federal Bureau of Investigation".

Reactionary! J'accuse!

107 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:45pm
108 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:46pm

re: #83 jaunte

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

Good post. That's the types who made up Hitler's Brownshirts.

109 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:55pm

re: #103 Lakedog66

Mao Tse Tung said: Change will come through the barrel of a gun.

He backed that up, too. It wasn't just pretty words.

110 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:06pm
111 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:09pm

He's wanting a nationalized police force, obviously.

So let's see...

In the Obamanation, you'll be completely dependent upon the federal government for your health care, your retirement income, and your personal security.

What could go wrong?

112 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:11pm

re: #90 the_flying_pig

If anyone remember the movie, "Escape from New York" which starred Kurt Russells as Snake Plissken? Those black-uniformed soldiers guarding the walls of the largest prison on Earth - the Manhattan Island? They are called the United States Police Corp.

That is what Obama is talking about.


Snake Plissken? I thought he was dead?

113 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:39pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Blazing Saddles! What do I win!

This laurel, and hearty handshake!

114 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:47pm

re: #106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

please report to the guillotine

115 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:49pm

re: #92 Thanos

Minister: As I was saying, Alex, you can be instrumental in changing the public verdict. Do you understand, Alex? Have I made myself clear?
Alex: As an unmuddied lake, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred.

Well, at least he'll solve the prison overpopulation problem.

Sheesh!

116 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:57pm

What would be the function of this Security Force? who would they protect and from what threat and why on earth would it need to be as large as the current military?
WTF is he talking about?

117 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:58pm

re: #110 taxfreekiller

It's a real bummer Rudy is unelectable.

118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:07pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

They won't find me, I'll already be dead. If things like that start happening, I'm going to walk in front of a train.

No you won't, soldier! Make your time here count. Surrender is not an option.

119 jaunte  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:17pm

Watching Colmes trying to argue with Giuliani is like watching a small yappy dog chase a truck.

120 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:19pm

re: #112 brickthruplateglasswindow

Snake Plissken? I thought he was dead?

ooooohhhh.... nice setup....

121 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:21pm
122 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:26pm
123 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:36pm

re: #95 The Archivist

Does Charles have a backup plan to delete files, if need be?

I'm not afraid of 0bama-thugs. Bring it- make the right political martyrs for the Constitution. It would be the utter death of the left.

124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:03pm

re: #113 rawmuse

This laurel, and hearty handshake!

ROFL!

125 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:05pm

re: #103 Lakedog66

Mao Tse Tung said: Change will come through the barrel of a gun.

And 0 said we need change. Let's go get sum (3 or 4 ought to do).

126 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:25pm

How is McCain's $5000 tax credit for health care redistribution of wealth if?

Alan's a total dumbshit.

127 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:27pm

Steenkeeng badges!

How many punchlines did I get with that one?

128 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:27pm

His very own Gestapo. How inspiring.

129 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:30pm

re: #118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No you won't, soldier! Make your time here count. Surrender is not an option.

FUCKIN' A!

130 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:35pm

Learn this phrase

"I am an essential worker"

Might come in handy some day

131 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:45pm

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

132 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:52pm

re: #93 brickthruplateglasswindow

That's making an assumption that another election might follow.

I don't know if that's even a remotely valid assumption but, I can see it happening.

133 Lakedog66  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:58pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

But I had to put the phrase in a way that the moonbats might understand.

134 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:00pm

re: #87 Lakedog66

You sound a bit post toastee

135 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:10pm
136 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:19pm

re: #130 Shug

Learn this phrase

"I am an essential worker"

Might come in handy some day

*shiver*

137 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:29pm

re: #106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Reactionary! J'accuse!

Oooh, cool. Jacuzzis!

138 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:00pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Protect the arugula collectives. He who controls the Arugula controls the universe!

GROW YOUR OWN!

139 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:19pm

re: #132 MandyManners

I don't know if that's even a remotely valid assumption but, I can see it happening.

That's definitely a trigger, that happens.
Fights on.

140 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:28pm

We already have a civilian national defence force and it is called Homeland security and it has been a cash-cow for local governments for grants for 911 call centers and Police command RV's stacked with commo gear!
Nope I think the new civilian police corps will be laid out more in the line of the KGB and Stakva. You thought Palin and Plumber had it bad? you ain't seen nothing yet!Time to start buying those soon to banned weapons mates! I fear 'me ski trip is gone this year in favor of something a little more deadly! I will buy the day after Obama is elected!

141 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:32pm

re: #111 Dar ul Harb

Oh, and how could I forget?

They'll have your home mortgage, too.

142 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:37pm
143 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:00pm

Everybody is getting it wrong; Obama is trying to pretend that America is in a Great Depression. He needs this in order to scare the gullible. Scared people will let extreme measures get put in place to "rescue" them, if not them; the other poor sods who so desperately seem to need help. It's a lot like Madison Avenue convincing people that they need a new product.......but this product is socialism.

144 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:21pm

re: #95 The Archivist

Does Charles have a backup plan to delete files, if need be?


________________________
Magnesium flares on the server racks should work nicely.

145 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:22pm
146 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:28pm

re: #130 Shug

the Obamatons will realize that only after they kill us, kinda like when Ferdinand and Isabella realized getting rid of the jews was a bad idea - much later

147 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:31pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

Don't care... just give me their uniform specs so I can identify the leaders.

148 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:33pm

We have a military, we have cops, fbi - so really, what is this about? Why does the nation need a civilian force for? He NEEDS to explain this!

Civilians like Ayers?

149 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:35pm

So, maybe he needs this for when he's tested in 6 months. You know, to "encourage" everyone to stand by him, even though it looks like he doesn't know what he's doing.

150 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:42pm

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama's Claws is coming to town

He's making a list
And checking it twice
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Obama's Claws is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!

O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama's Claws is coming to town
Obama's Claws is coming to town

151 Cartman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:46pm

I would surmise that 0bama and Soros have thought this one out very carefully.

First, disarm the population at large through judicial activism and international pressure. Next, carefully construct a domestic, partisan, quasi-military entity designed to enforce politically correct constructs across the board. Finally, carve up the budgets for our armed services through the "rebuilding" promise, and bingo - the effective consolidation of power in the hands of an oligarchy.

152 erevu  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:54pm

It is clearly time to start clinging more tightly to guns.

153 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:09pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

I didn't watch it as well, reine. I don't think I missed anything.

154 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:16pm

America is in such a horrible economic condition that it took me 10 minutes to find a parking spot at the mall today.

155 eric_odessit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:18pm

I've heard of a security organization that technically was not military. It was called "Guard Squads", better known in the original language as "Schutz Staffel". Sorry if I made a translation mistake: I don't really speak German. But Schutz Staffel, or SS, was technically a civilian security force. And, while part of it was extensively used in combat, it did not report to the German Army.
Eric.

156 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:26pm

I'll tell you what we have to look forward to. As many of you know, my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled a week or so ago. I left the mangled sign laying right there in the yard so passersby could see how well behaved some of the Obamabots are. No freedom of speech for you, McCain supporter! Well, the Obamabots didn't like that apparently because last night Obamabots tore the sign in half, further mangled it, and tossed it into another part of the yard. Additionally, someone (can't confirm it's the same Obamabot/s but it sure seems suspicious) stole the registration sticker off my son's car, broke into the car, and stole the CD player/radio and CDs.

Shame on me for expressing my right to free speech by having a McCain sign in my yard.

157 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:29pm

re: #118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No you won't, soldier! Make your time here count. Surrender is not an option.

I doubt I'd really contribute anything to that sort of fight. I'm not fit these days, and I can't afford a gun. Further, people who are in the tank for BHO know where I live. The best I could do would be 'suicide by CNSF' and maybe take one of them with me.

158 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:16:34pm

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” that has such an astronomical level of funding?

Moreover, will it be voluntary? Will moonbats carry weapons?

159 Cartman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #151 Cartman

Memo to self - check all future posts for redundant verbiage. Sigh.

160 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:16:51pm

Who would believe that this could ever happen again?

NObama!
NoCNSF!

161 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:31pm
162 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:32pm

Surprise.

Those two assholes who put up the Palin effigy in West Hollywood are just a couple of creative artists who don't advocate violence towards anyone.

Its art!

163 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:49pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

Straws and spitballs for weapons.

164 YankeeBoy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:53pm

Two more words: Browne Shirts. This is positively frightening.

165 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:05pm

re: #158 solomonpanting

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” that has such an astronomical level of funding?

Moreover, will it be voluntary? Will moonbats carry weapons?

Look at these nice weapons. Never fired and only dropped once

166 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:11pm

The people who went mad with greed need a solution; and that solution is to allow the country

167 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:11pm

re: #158 solomonpanting

hope they will, doubt they'd know which end to point at me

168 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:14pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Hang tight... you don't know what the situation will be then.

Besides, as US Grant said: "If you can't skin, you can at least hold a leg."

169 thebigolddog  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:23pm

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* Believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

170 griffon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:23pm

Obama will redistribute the wealth and the CNSF will redistribute the guns. They'll take them from the good guys using that new heat weapon and give them to the badder guys whom we're now supporting with our taxes.

171 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:24pm

re: #93 brickthruplateglasswindow

That's making an assumption that another election might follow.

Are you kidding?

172 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:27pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

I doubt I'd really contribute anything to that sort of fight. I'm not fit these days, and I can't afford a gun. Further, people who are in the tank for BHO know where I live. The best I could do would be 'suicide by CNSF' and maybe take one of them with me.

git ya a used mossberg 500 for 150 bucks

173 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:29pm
Among the many promises and pledges in Barack Obama’s multi-million dollar infomercial, one statement really stood out: he announced that he will “rebuild the military.”

I would really like to know how Barry intends to do that when Barney Frank has gloatingly announced the Democrats are going to cut the military by 25%.

174 Lakedog66  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:37pm

you are so right buzzsaw....I didn't have my copy of the little red book handy.
Since I am taking Tuesday off because the obamonster says so, maybe I can catch up on my reading while building the pillboxes.

175 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:46pm
176 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:48pm

Civilian National Security Force....Truth Squads? Why do I get the feeling we are in a George Orwell Novel?

177 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:51pm

to fall away from capitalism

178 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:58pm

Now wait just a doggone minute. We already have Citizen Soldiers. They are called

THE NATIONAL GUARD

179 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:01pm

By the way. Forgot to mention. The next door neighbor's Obama sign is still thankfully unharmed.

180 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #75 MandyManners

If you're holding out on voting for McCain because you reckon four years of BHO will leave the country begging for someone with acceptable (to you) conservative credentials in 2012, just think back at what Jimmy Carter did to this nation, and how we are still feeling the effects of it.

That's if we're still allowed to vote. He has no regard for the Constitution. He and his cronies will probably throw it away and make a new Order...The Obama
Rules.

181 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #148 Teacake!

We have a military, we have cops, fbi - so really, what is this about? Why does the nation need a civilian force for? He NEEDS to explain this!

Civilians like Ayers?

Because this is what fascists DO. Establish mirror organizations to put their own people in place and take away the effectiveness of the true organization.

Sorry- he quite literally wants a gang of government funded jack-booted thugs.

182 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #140 LoFlyer

We already have a civilian national defence force and it is called Homeland security and it has been a cash-cow for local governments for grants for 911 call centers and Police command RV's stacked with commo gear!
Nope I think the new civilian police corps will be laid out more in the line of the KGB and Stakva. You thought Palin and Plumber had it bad? you ain't seen nothing yet!Time to start buying those soon to banned weapons mates! I fear 'me ski trip is gone this year in favor of something a little more deadly! I will buy the day after Obama is elected!

Yeah, the title "civilian national security force" does sound to me awfully like some sort of national police force.
Again, who will choose and train these folks?
Who will these folks be loyal to?
How will they coordinate with the military and local police?
What's this all about?
It sounds scary to me.

183 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:09pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

No, he said, "Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

It's from the Little Red Book.

Do I need to dig my copy out of storage?

184 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:16pm

re: #148 Teacake!

He NEEDS to explain this!

Here's some reasonable interpretation of what he might mean ...
Funding Barack Obama's "civilian national security force."--

185 Basho  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:21pm

Nationalized police force? If he gets through the constitutional problem, it could be interesting. Call them Civil Protection. Give them full-headed gas masks. A cattle prod. They could enforce environmental problems.

Civil Protection Guard: "Pick up the can!"

186 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:41pm

Papa Barack and his Tonton Macoutes....

187 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:45pm

If you want to serve your country JOIN THE NATIONAL GUARD

You ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

188 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:55pm

Is it just me or did the hamsters just form a socialist union?

189 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #152 erevu

It is clearly time to start clinging more tightly to guns.

I'll keep my guns close, but I'm clinging to my Bible.

And my Rosary...

190 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #156 ciaospirit

I'll tell you what we have to look forward to. As many of you know, my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled a week or so ago. I left the mangled sign laying right there in the yard so passersby could see how well behaved some of the Obamabots are. No freedom of speech for you, McCain supporter! Well, the Obamabots didn't like that apparently because last night Obamabots tore the sign in half, further mangled it, and tossed it into another part of the yard. Additionally, someone (can't confirm it's the same Obamabot/s but it sure seems suspicious) stole the registration sticker off my son's car, broke into the car, and stole the CD player/radio and CDs.

Shame on me for expressing my right to free speech by having a McCain sign in my yard.

They weren't stealing the radio. They were spreading the wealth.
/

191 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:03pm

re: #154 rawmuse

I like that!

192 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:11pm

Un-Constitutional. I wonder if this police force would resemble the veteran groups currently in Zimbabwe?

193 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:20pm

re: #173 Spiny Norman

My guess is that you don't put this through the department of defense

194 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:42pm

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

I am reading through my copy of Liberal Fascism to see if I can find the answer to that question....

Ooh, ooh, I got it - enforce socialism fascistically. It was right there all along.

195 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:42pm
196 Bushwack1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:43pm

IF you really want to know what he will do with that civilian force.. Think Kenya and Raila Odinga...and the Nation of Islam.

197 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:51pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

Good, and chilling, point: the UN recently enacted some blather or other about the necessity of getting rid of private gun ownership.

And the "citizen of the world" trying to gain the Presidency just loves the UN.

Tell them to start in Africa. When they get that done, let us know.

198 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:53pm

What's up with the hysteria?

199 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:54pm
200 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:38pm

re: #176 NYCHardhat

Civilian National Security Force....Truth Squads? Why do I get the feeling we are in a George Orwell Novel?

Oh just a leetle...

=^0

201 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:39pm

NO NO NO NO NO NOBAMA

take your jack boots and go on back to the south side of chicago you big dope

LEt your thugs clean up the streets there - God knows they could use it

ASSHOLE

202 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:40pm

Like all megalomaniac Commies (his endorsers Fidel and Hugo, for example), Obombo NEEDS that big Security force, to keep the population at large from tearing him and his little friends limb from limb once they come to their senses and realize what he's really about.

203 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:50pm

re: #188 saberry0530

The People's Union of LGF Hempsters has been around for quite some time.

204 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:55pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey
this; In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning "small arms and light weapons" and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
[Link: www.aim.org...]
The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as "the indispensable common house of the entire human family

205 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:58pm

re: #139 jcm

That's definitely a trigger, that happens.
Fights on.

Oh, without a doubt. We'll be doing what the Founding Fathers did.

When in the course of human events....

206 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:11pm

Hype
The Movie.

Watch the trailer.

207 Gang of One  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:16pm

So. He'll take away our guns to give to his goons?

Wrong.

208 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:35pm

re: #178 mama winger

Now wait just a doggone minute. We already have Citizen Soldiers. They are called

THE NATIONAL GUARD

But they don't all PRAISE the ONE!

209 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:39pm

re: #152 erevu

It is clearly time to start clinging more tightly to guns.

And, religion for those so inclined.

210 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:43pm

re: #173 Spiny Norman

I would really like to know how Barry intends to do that when Barney Frank has gloatingly announced the Democrats are going to cut the military by 25%.

The Navy SEALS and Army Rangers will be replaced with lesbians with PMS.

211 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:45pm

re: #170 griffon

Obama will redistribute the wealth and the CNSF will redistribute the guns. They'll take them from the good guys using that new heat weapon and give them to the badder guys whom we're now supporting with our taxes.

Community Gun Redistribution Specialist?
OCS material in the CNSF?

212 mbruce  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:51pm

Your clone army is ready Master. To protect the Republic ,right? Right?.......

213 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:53pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Here's some reasonable interpretation of what he might mean ...
Funding Barack Obama's "civilian national security force."--

You may well be right, but who will train these ... uh ... community organizers? And what will they be taught?

214 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:00pm

re: #204 willowone

and; It appears the Senate version is being pushed not only by Biden and Obama, a member of the committee, but Lugar, the ranking Republican member. Lugar has worked with Obama in the past to promote more foreign aid for Russia, supposedly to stem nuclear proliferation, and has become Obama's mentor.

215 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:20pm

re: #187 mama winger

If you want to serve your country JOIN THE NATIONAL GUARD

You ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

But the National Guard is loyal to the country, not loyal to an individual. That's why The One needs a new force.

216 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:41pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

The People's Union of LGF Hempsters has been around for quite some time.

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

217 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:43pm

re: #199 taxfreekiller

#156

You need a realtor .

No doubt.

218 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:48pm

Gosh, what a busy day at LGF! Wish I was in it. Working, doncha know. Will be online some later.

But hey, let me just ask, a quick scan doesn't show, when 0bambi talks about this civilian force, is he talking posse comitatus, or is he talking about a nation-building civilian force for Iraq, some sort of hybrid of Halliburton, Blackwater, and Unicef?

Yeah, I know, brown shirts in pimpmobiles, and Joe Biden in a leopard-skin coat in charge of it all. That's how it will turn out. But maybe he's also talking about the nation-building one - that'd be Joe Biden in a leopard-skin coat, in Iraq.

The mind reels.

219 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:49pm

Well, the 0 has Greek columns and his own Great Seal, why not his own personal standing army? It is the first thing any good communist dictator would want.

220 Gang of One  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:51pm

Keep your enemies close, but your guns closer.

/Don Gangaone

221 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:24:28pm

re: #208 saberry0530

But they don't all PRAISE the ONE!

Exactly!

222 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:24:28pm

re: #154 rawmuse

America is in such a horrible economic condition that it took me 10 minutes to find a parking spot at the mall today.

If you wind up a member of BHO's Minion Militia, you'll be able to have one or three towed near the door just to make room for your car.

223 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:14pm

re: #216 saberry0530

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

IS that a hamster that rolls his own?

224 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:19pm

re: #219 CapeCoddah

Well, the 0 has Greek columns and his own Great Seal, why not his own personal standing army? It is the first thing any good communist dictator would want.

well, maybe they'll be hot like qadaffi's fembots

225 gwillie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:20pm

'Civilian National Security Force' Translation = People's Army, every dictator needs one.

226 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:20pm

re: #213 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's most likely going to be an expansion on Americorps.

227 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:25pm

re: #192 Perplexed

Un-Constitutional. I wonder if this police force would resemble the veteran groups currently in Zimbabwe?

Let's play make believe:


Mugabe is to Rhodesia as Obama is to the USA.

228 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:36pm
229 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:37pm

re: #155 eric_odessit

I've heard of a security organization that technically was not military. It was called "Guard Squads", better known in the original language as "Schutz Staffel". Sorry if I made a translation mistake: I don't really speak German. But Schutz Staffel, or SS, was technically a civilian security force. And, while part of it was extensively used in combat, it did not report to the German Army.
Eric.


____________________________________
The SS was the political army of the NAZI movement. For the most part they were disliked by the regular Heer (Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Marine). The SS ranks were super loyal, fanatical NAZIs. Their ranks also included FOREIGN LEGIONS or combat divisions, who were even more fanatical.

230 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:38pm

re: #176 NYCHardhat


The life I currently live in seems to have been co-written by George Orwell, Ayn Rand, and Ogden Nash.

231 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:44pm

re: #210 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The Navy SEALS and Army Rangers will be replaced with lesbians with PMS.

Isn't there a Geneva Convention article against that?

232 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:52pm

re: #216 saberry0530

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

Dude.

Stoned rodent.

233 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:04pm

re: #169 thebigolddog

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* Believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

Perfect list.

234 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:18pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

It's most likely going to be an expansion on Americorps.

But it will now be called AmeriKorps.

235 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:27pm

Just got an email from Kelsey Grammar(not really).... I didn't realize he was a conservative.

236 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:31pm

re: #216 saberry0530

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

Stoner hamsters?

237 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:33pm

re: #154 rawmuse

America is in such a horrible economic condition that it took me 10 minutes to find a parking spot at the mall today.

Obama will give Handicapped placards for 95% of Americans so they can all park closer

238 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:40pm

re: #224 spidly

well, maybe they'll be hot like qadaffi's fembots

Well then, they won't do a thing for me!

239 Muadib  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:03pm

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

#1: The "civilian national security force" is declared "a well-regulated militia" under the Second Amendment.

#2: It gets guns.

#3: It removes the guns from everyone else.

#3 will fail miserably.

240 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:05pm

And of course the media will refuse to ask such simple questions as to why we need a civilian internal security force the size and cost of our current external security military forces! Obama has telegraphed his socialist police state he envisions as the future of America, it is time for the conservative blogs to attack relentlessly on the issue! Obama is fracken' crazy if he thinks we will stand for a socialist police state! Haaar mates! Go Charles and the LGF!

241 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:09pm
242 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:15pm

My first thought when I saw this was "We don't have enough sugar cane to harvest to keep then busy..."

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:28pm

If Killgore is right in #184, then look to Obama's past -- to the tactics he used as a community organizer, and in the early days as a politician.

Look at his comprehension of, and application of, Saul Alinsky's doctrines of power.

It should scare the living shit out of you.

244 spirochete  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:34pm

Yeah, we won't have a $500,000,000 military. It'll be a tenth of that and that'll leave money for the civilian defense force.

245 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:37pm

This - from the guy that thinks the Constitution is too RESTRICTIVE and wants to circumvent it

Somebody wake me up from this hellish nightmare

246 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:41pm

Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Imagine ACORN volunteers armed with automatic weapons, dressed in jumpsuits with big "O"s and red stars on them, and this picture becomes clear. They better not set foot hereabouts.

You know

247 louis  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:48pm

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

248 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:49pm

re: #169 thebigolddog

Don't forget the bumper stickers.

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:59pm

re: #172 spidly

git ya a used mossberg 500 for 150 bucks

That might be ill advised. I live in Illinois. If I applied for a Firearms Owners Identification Card, I'd probably bump myself up on the roundup list. I'll consider it though. It depends on what happens next Tuesday. I still believe that we will see Obama defeated then.

250 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:17pm

re: #236 Spiny Norman

Stoner hamsters?

C'mon folks, we owe the hamster team better than that...It is none of our business what the hamsters do in their personal time!

251 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:24pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Imagine ACORN volunteers armed with automatic weapons, dressed in jumpsuits with big "O"s and red stars on them, and this picture becomes clear. They better not set foot hereabouts.

You know


Ghostbusters comes to mind

252 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:28pm

re: #241 taxfreekiller

skelator makes my ass want a dip of cheap snuff

Don't do it buddy, nothing's worth it.

We got your back.

253 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:36pm

re: #169 thebigolddog
______________________
Your list would be great for a wallet-sized handout!

254 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:37pm
255 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:43pm

re: #116 alien_mind

I'll bet what he was talking about was a national extension of the Public Allies project that he, and then later Michelle, chaired. IIRC, it was basically meant to train and "educate" a cadre of.....you guessed it.....community organizers. The trainees would be paid and would receive the same benefits as the military. They'd be sent to college and then come back home to be........you guessed it......community organizers.
Why should we spend all that money training soldiers when we can spend it training....cough, cough....community organizers?

256 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:45pm

re: #227 solomonpanting

Let's play make believe:


Mugabe is to Rhodesia as Obama is to the USA.

That thought is frightening. Probably the wife and I will wind up in the reeducation camps or shot on the spot for failure to display the proper respect for the ONE.

257 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:29:08pm

re: #247 louis

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

Yes, they were.

258 jaunte  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:29:17pm

re: #237 Shug

Obama will give Handicapped placards for 95% of Americans so they can all park closer

There's a Stephen Wright joke in there somewhere, but I can't get close enough to it.

259 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:29:29pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Meet my rifle with a scope and then if you rush, meet my danish bearded axe

260 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:01pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat
don't have to look at his past, look at what they do to dissenters that embarrass him today

261 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:26pm
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

The Department of Defense’s current base budget is close to $500 billion. So if he meant that promise, he plans on a total defense budget of about a trillion dollars.

I think I've figured out how this jibes with Barney Frank's Defense budget cut claims: half of the Pentagon's current funding will be used to create Barry's Truth Squads "Civilian National Security Force". There ya go! Equally funded!

262 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:27pm

Someone here posted a youtube video of a snippet of one of obamas speeches about this. It was and remains the thing that most disturbs me most about him. I have been trying to tell people I know about this but nobody believed me and I could never find the video again. I'm a little surprised he mentioned it. How can the idea of Obama having a private army not freak people out? Unless they think they'll be in it?

263 semper gumbi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:31pm

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

264 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:34pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

It's most likely going to be an expansion on Americorps.

Then see my #243. Study Alinsky. Study Obama as an activist. Kurtz's articles are a good starting place.

265 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:36pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

That might be ill advised. I live in Illinois. If I applied for a Firearms Owners Identification Card, I'd probably bump myself up on the roundup list. I'll consider it though. It depends on what happens next Tuesday. I still believe that we will see Obama defeated then.

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

266 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:41pm

This is the part where we get to see who gets eaten last.

267 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:20pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

That might be ill advised. I live in Illinois. If I applied for a Firearms Owners Identification Card, I'd probably bump myself up on the roundup list. I'll consider it though. It depends on what happens next Tuesday. I still believe that we will see Obama defeated then.

I'm here too, got a FOID card and the guns to prove it.

I don't care if I'm on the list... I'm what used to be called a "law abiding citizen".

268 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:34pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Further to my Papa Barack post:

"The Milice de Volontaires de la Sécurité Nationale (MVSN), or (Militia of) National Security Volunteers, was commonly called the Tonton Macoutes."

269 boogereatinmoron  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:36pm

Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!

270 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:42pm
271 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:46pm

He's going to ;
HEAL THE NATION!
ALLELUYA!

IN SIX DAYS!

(from sam hain)

let the reader understand
272 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:14pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

We just got a flier today from the NRA emphasizing the danger to the 2nd amendment coming from the UN and their pal Obama.
NRA is doing a great job this year........at least in this area.

273 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:17pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

Axis of Weasels


Ha!

274 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:18pm

Fund site for all these goodies?

"to help every American receive a world-class education, I will create a new classroom corps" 12/05/07 Mt Vernon, Iowa

"So, when I am president, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school to perform 50 hours of community service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year." 12/05/07 Mt Vernon, Iowa

"Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry." Blueprint for Change

"We will grow the Foreign Service to renew our commitment to diplomacy. We will double the Peace Corps by it's 50th anniversary in 2011"
"Today, there are 8,000 Youthbuild slots. We'll expand that to 50,000."
12/05/07 Mt Vernon, Iowa

"I am also going to create a 5-E Youth Service Corps" 6/05/07 Hampton, VA

"Today, Ameri-corps-Our nations network of local, state, and national service programs-has 75,000 slots. As president, I will increase that to 250,000."

And let us not forget the best one! "Obama is committed to repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans." Blueprint for Change.

275 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:27pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

"Axis of Weasels"

Nomination for rotating title!

276 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:28pm

If you want to gauge future performance, look at past performance

Joe the Plumber
TV News reporters
Little Children propagandizing their elders


ad nauseum

277 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:29pm

re: #262 eastvillageinfidel

Only needed one 'most', but I am most disturbed! :)

278 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:46pm

re: #265 spidly

I just got mine last week. Not taking any chances.

279 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:00pm

re: #265 spidly

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

Not in Illinois. You can't _touch_ a gun at a gun store w/o presenting the card.

280 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:01pm

I think the hamsters got into the "hemp", because it has just taken me 5 minutes to refresh the page after losing my "post this comment" button.

Wowsers.

281 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:03pm

re: #247 louis

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

Video of life under Dear Leader 0bama

282 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:09pm

re: #241 taxfreekiller

skelator makes my ass want a dip of cheap snuff

WOW! A snuff enema! That is hard core to the bone!

283 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:10pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

re: #247 louis

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

Yes, they were.

So was the Stasi and their army of informers.

284 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:14pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

automatic weapons and obamatons are like crosses and vampires.

285 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:17pm

re: #269 boogereatinmoron

Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!

you have to find a way to put that bitterly.

286 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:07pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

What the hell do you call Obama's plan for a civilian security force the size of our external military? This is crazy and I cannot believe Obama and his advisers were stupid enough to announce the plan before election! Haar mates, attack!

287 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:24pm

Sorry to go OT. I've been seriously considering going to the "picket the LA Times" event tomorrow but I hesitate to get involved in anything unless I know who's behind it. Here is the info about it, and a big march in Washington this Saturday:[Link: www.freedommarch.org...]

I started looking for more info online about FreedomMarch.org and found this interesting "Who Is" entry. The domain is through GoDaddy and they list their address and phone as the White House. Reverse directory on the phone number really is the White House switchboard.[Link: www.who.is...]

Searching some more, through a Democratic Underground Site, I found a link to the Free Republic with a new F.R. user pushing the March with a nickname like the one over at Who Is with the White House address.[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
Most of the posters over there still don't know the person well enough to trust him.

Any thoughts or more info. It is apparently a new org.

288 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:25pm

Here is the economics of how to fund O's home security force.

Step 1: slash the military budget from $500 b to $200 b
Rationale; You no longer need a modern well equipped fighting force at the ready, overseas, when your foreign policy dictates that you are no longer going to fight wars on foreign soil.

Step 2: Take surplus $300 b and sign up anyone who wants be friends of the new administration. This will be known as the US Civilian National Security Force. It will be armed and ready to defend the citizens against any internal insurrection.
Definition of "Insurrection" : Any personm or group of persons who seek to overthrow the administration whether by action, word or thought. This includes campaigning to change the thoughts and views of those who do support the administration.

AND THEN, FINALLY;

Step 3: Electronic chips will implanted as a matter of individual protection to ensure all are treated equally and recieve equal portions of wealth, welfare, healthcare, food and protection and such program will be overseen by the US Civilian National Security Force.

289 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:57pm

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?

290 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:05pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

True, but he DOES intend to rewrite it.

291 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:34pm

Suddenly I realize why Obama broke his promise to his supporters and voted FOR keeping the FISA wiretaps.

292 markx  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:37pm

Civilian Defense force, Barry?

No problem, I volunteer. I'll provide my own guns, and pass out a few extras to my neighbors. You just provide the ammo.

No problem, Barry. My neighborhood is well prepared. Thank you very much.

293 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:40pm

Just in case

294 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:48pm

re: #265 spidly

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

It's Illinois, 2nd Amend free territory.

295 yah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:57pm

Makes me wish I still had my 120 year old cabin in NC with a root cellar underneath - the root cellar was just a big dug out hole about 6 feet square and 5 feet deep. Was for storing food in the old days. You had to pull up the rug and a couple of floor boards to get to it. Nobody but "us" even knew it was there.

296 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:36:34pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

you think taxes are at a confiscatory rate now...

297 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:02pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?

How much money ya got? Consider it the People's money, ya greedy bastid.

:^þ

298 cybermonk  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:07pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

we don't need no stinkin' badges

299 griffon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:23pm

re: #143 swamprat

Everybody is getting it wrong; Obama is trying to pretend that America is in a Great Depression. He needs this in order to scare the gullible. Scared people will let extreme measures get put in place to "rescue" them, if not them; the other poor sods who so desperately seem to need help. It's a lot like Madison Avenue convincing people that they need a new product.......but this product is socialism.

When Obamaniacs tell me how bad off we all are, I tell them honestly that our business was up 13% last year and is up 12% so far this year. We have been in business 18.5 years and it's a very small business - less than $750 million gross. Our business is better than it has been for 5 years. We keep waiting for it to crash, but so far it hasn't.

300 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:42pm

Wax head bias

Obama's is bigger

301 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:10pm

This was in one of the links up top, but it makes for mighty fine reading:

Gun Manufacturer Executive Backs Barack Obama, Watch What Happens Next:
You've been ZUMBOED!


USA Today reports:

Dan Cooper CEO of Cooper Arms, one of the elite makers of hunting rifles, is backing Barack Obama.

WASHINGTON — Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association, has backed Republicans for most of his life. He's the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.

Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.

This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.

Just minutes after the USA Today broke the story on the Internet, thousands and thousands of gun owners sent angry emails, called and sent boycott letters to Cooper Arms threatening to never purchase any of their firearms again.

Just 48 hours later, this is what appeared on the company website:

In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.

The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.

Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.

The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.

Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.

Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.

[Link: transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com...]

302 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:26pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?


If you get sick, they shoot you.

303 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:34pm

re: #294 jcm

Heller needs to move to Chicago.

304 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:58pm

re: #279 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not in Illinois. You can't _touch_ a gun at a gun store w/o presenting the card.

But if you're buying a gun, how do you have an owner's card already?

305 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #112 brickthruplateglasswindow

Blasphemer! Snake Plissken never dies! He can take on Chuck Norris, give him a stare down and coolly walk away.

Heh.

306 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

Nope.

Open is a Marxist from his mama's teet.
He's on the record saying the Constitution is flawed.
His NCSF is blantantly unconstitutional.

How many countries have marxists come to power and suspend elections? Too many, it's happened before with men and followers who have the history, the ideology, the rhetoric of The Marxists One.

We've seen it happen before, not here, but elsewhere.

307 richiep  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:06pm

I'm starting to get that tingly feeling that Mathews had only it is running down my spine along with a sickening feeling in my stomach. I laughed today when two of my co-workers were talking about buying ammo and forming a militia to combat the Obama future. Why am I now thinking that their talk wasn't all that funny?

KGB, SA, SS, secret police, etc.; none of them were any good. That we are on the verge of having armed leftists walking around with ACORN themed uniforms is unsettling.

From my cold dead hands....

308 huckfunn  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:26pm

“We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

This force must have a name and we must name the force. Let the force naming begin...

The Malcom X Dragoons
The Barney Frank-Furters
The Gus Hall Monitors

309 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:31pm
310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:55pm

Just noticed something -- it isn't JUST expanding AmeriCorps.

Obama said, "... a civilian national security force ..."

What sort of national security role does AmeriCorps have?

311 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:12pm

Gre: #288 A Kiwi Infidel
Gonna make my sons recruiting job very difficult.

312 lennysquiggy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:26pm

not sure if it has been mentioned but i just found this on Twitter:

"The filmmaker behind Obama's infomercial is Davis Guggenheim, producer of An Inconvenient Truth and Deadwood"

I thought I recognized the scent of self-serving smugness all over that infomercial. I think the difference between Barry and Perot was that Perot spoke to the people directly - he was weird and fidgety and slightly unnerving, but he was REAL and he seemed to be telling you exactly what he intended to do.

Sixteen years later, society is even more jaded and cynical about these types of things. Watching a hyper-stylized propaganda film that features Barry as the protagonist, the interviewee, the interviewer and the narrator is just not gonna fly in the YouTube era. It is going to be seen as propaganda by the middle and the undecideds.

313 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:31pm

re: #262 eastvillageinfidel

Someone here posted a youtube video of a snippet of one of obamas speeches about this. It was and remains the thing that most disturbs me most about him. I have been trying to tell people I know about this but nobody believed me and I could never find the video again. I'm a little surprised he mentioned it. How can the idea of Obama having a private army not freak people out? Unless they think they'll be in it?


Here: [Link: hotair.com...]

314 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:40pm

Is this even Constitutional?

315 markx  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:44pm

re: #301 The Archivist

BWHAHAHAHA!

316 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:45pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Imagine ACORN volunteers armed with automatic weapons, dressed in jumpsuits with big "O"s and red stars on them, and this picture becomes clear. They better not set foot hereabouts.

You know

Or Code Pink wackos.

317 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:57pm

re: #78 saberry0530

BRING IT ON MOTHER FUC*&^$!

Sorry to disillusion you mate but the power of the State against one man (at a time) .... the State ALWAYS wins.

Don't throw your life away needlessly organize and 'white ant' the bastards from the inside.

318 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:41:09pm

re: #272 wolfie

We just got a flier today from the NRA emphasizing the danger to the 2nd amendment coming from the UN and their pal Obama.
NRA is doing a great job this year........at least in this area.

No one said it any better...

Youtube Video

319 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:41:14pm

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

320 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:41:40pm

bbl

321 Timbre  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:04pm

I've basically stated on several occasions that I am a federal employee. I am so glad I am eligible to retire in less than two years. If , if Barack Obama is elected President, I will not be able to ignore my conscience for 4 years. Every day I tell myself, "just do your job, don't be stupid, and keep your mouth shut unless policy requires that you open it." Man, do I hope McCain wins. If not, I hope I can stomach about 18 months under an Obama Administration. (shivers)

322 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:31pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

according to the judges he'd appoint : absolutely. (as long as a democrat is in office)


If Bush did this, can you imagine

323 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:42pm

re: #303 rightside

Heller needs to move to Chicago.

Yeah, I think suits based on Heller are underway.

324 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:56pm

Greek staging-----------------------$5 million
Campaign Spending------------------$700 million
Civilian National Security Force-------$500 billion

A McCain win------------------------Priceless

325 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:02pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

Trolls and mobys.

326 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:19pm

re: #265 spidly

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

Get used to it mate. I have to carry a Firearms license at all times. It was a bitch to get one too. Took 3 months and 3 interviews including two referees and my wife all of whom has a veto over my getting one!

Such is the Socialist way!


Just don't let it happen!

327 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:42pm
328 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:46pm

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

What would it take to repeal the 22nd Amendment? Fortunately, I don't think the Democrats control enough state legislatures, at least not now.

329 V5  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:51pm

Here come the Jack Booted-Brown Shirts.

330 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:01pm

re: #156 ciaospirit

Nah, they were "redistributing the wealth".

/sorry about your sons car.

331 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:13pm

HUMM, new comment button blanked. Whats up? FF 3.0, XP

332 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:20pm

Sounds like a Praetorian Guard to me.

Obama is nuts.

Anyway here's
Dusk on the San Gabriel Mountains. (The Towercam)

BBL

333 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:29pm

re: #322 Shug

If Bush did this, can you imagine


omg

334 Jim D  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:52pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

Since when has the Constitution stopped our government from doing what's 'best' for us?

335 KathyP  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:16pm

The first thing that came to mind when I read this was thinking back to Revolutionary times when the Brits parked a soldier in every colonist's home to squelch dissent against the Crown. Scary then, just as scary now. Especially when done under the guise of securing our country, and with an outlandish budget, no less. Maybe even way more scary now that I think about it.

336 buckykat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:22pm

re: #287 Pvt Bin Jammin

I found out about the demonstration on a puma blog. I don't know anything about the people who organized it. I'm also thinking of going.

337 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:26pm

re: #322 Shug

according to the judges he'd appoint : absolutely. (as long as a democrat is in office)


If Bush did this, can you imagine

Imagine a Lynne Stewart on the Court.

338 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:28pm

where does this guy get off with the lectures to all of us about spreading the wealth and taking care of each other?
He is a multi-millionaire, and he has an Aunt in Boston living in a slum, and a brother in Kenya living in a shack on like $1 a month.
What a freakin hypocrite.

339 markx  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:37pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

I say, throw the women and children first. They always slow us down.

340 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:41pm

re: #259 Defector01

Meet my rifle with a scope and then if you rush, meet my danish bearded axe

Just in case anyone's curious.

341 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:47pm

re: #326 Aussie Infidel

Get used to it mate. I have to carry a Firearms license at all times. It was a bitch to get one too. Took 3 months and 3 interviews including two referees and my wife all of whom has a veto over my getting one!

Such is the Socialist way!


Just don't let it happen!

I have a mini-arsenal and will not get any such card

342 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:50pm

re: #311 saberry0530

G
Gonna make my sons recruiting job very difficult.

My kid is supposed to re-up in March.

343 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:05pm

re: #337 jcm

Imagine a Lynne Stewart on the Court.

david Souther would be soooo jealous of her facial hair

344 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:26pm

re: #213 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You may well be right, but who will train these ... uh ... community organizers? And what will they be taught?

I don't think Killgore's right. Here's more.

Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.
...
Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.

345 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:26pm

Just watch this.
I'm not making any comparison.
You decide what you want.
But it creeped me out.

346 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:35pm

Y'all all know what you need to do to prevent all of these things from happening under an Obama Presidency?


Get off your duffs, vote for McCain, and encourage your friends and relatives to do the same.

347 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:46pm

re: #327 taxfreekiller

Little Winger goes back in January. Can I come stay with you?

/ only a little

348 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:49pm

GestapObama.

349 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:56pm

I watch tv with the remote firmly clasped and thumb poised ready. If a political ad by either side is aired....click , it's gone. Imagine my surprise when I sat through an entire ad and then ran over and high fived the screen.

Scene 1: The chocolate messiah explaining why he no longer wears a flag pin.
Scene 2: Bambi on a stage with his hands clasped over his fly as the national anthem plays.
Scene 3: Voice over explaining how the 0 went to a church for 20 years
Cue video of Jerimiah proclaiming "G-d Damn America.
Scene 4: To tell the truth, I don't remember what it was, I was so pissed.
Guy in a jacket and tie says
" America's not good enough for Barak Obama. Barak Obama is not good enough for America"

Sponsered by a PAC, not the McCain Campaign. Damn good ad IMHO.

350 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:01pm

re: #304 arethusa

But if you're buying a gun, how do you have an owner's card already?

You can send in the paperwork at any of those title joints you see. Fill out a form, pay your $10 or whatever it is... in a few weeks, you'll get it in the mail and be authorized access to your 2n Amendment rights. (Sort of)

351 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:39pm

re: #286 LoFlyer

What the hell do you call Obama's plan for a civilian security force the size of our external military? This is crazy and I cannot believe Obama and his advisers were stupid enough to announce the plan before election! Haar mates, attack!

Just to be right about it, I think we need to take it in context. Read my #274. These are items he has stated all along he believes as being just as important as national defense. Although he stated: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." He goes on in the next few paragraphs to list those items in my post #274. He isn't talking about an alternative militia. He is erroneously putting high school volunteer hours as being critical to our national security as the military it sounds like. Just his normal rhetoric.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:51pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

Pack the SCOTUS with Leftoid Justices and they will MAKE it Constitutional.

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:55pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

I went into "My Account" and turned off the show-avatar icon function. I still have to reload much of the time, because New Comments just spins and spins, but the page loads a lot faster.

354 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:18pm

Brad Lidge just got the jinx from Joe Buck

355 loggiedog  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:31pm

Civilian National Security Force sounds like the KGB or something-- I mean basically a police force enforcing Socialist politically correct policies by force. Scary.

356 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:39pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

I agree. The military and USSS are sworn to protect the Constitution, and I have faith they'd do that.

357 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:55pm

A complete waste

Why create an entire new force structure when none is needed?

The US has 4 lines of defense- the regular armed forces, the most powerful military in the world and unbeaten in a major battle in almost 60 years. Then we have the national guard, which are an extension of the army called up as needed. Then there are the US police forces 200,000+ officers nationwide. They also have the power to deputize and call up civilians in case of an emergency. Finally there is the militia. That consists of the armed citizenry and numbers some real asskickers like AmericanSoldier, Iron Fist and just about anyone from Texas. In order to even be able to fight the last line you would have had to have defeated the first three, kids America is over then anyway.

What enemy can this force fight? Why spend so much effort to divide resources from an existing military that is already quite expensive?

A force equal to the US military is an unbelievable amount of firepower. it can ONLY be used against the citizenry. There are no enemies here to fight except Al Franken, and he is not very tough. Worse, from a legal perspective, is that these new units will be deployed to the sovereign states of the union and, since some governors are not democrats, will not be under State control. The constitution has this amazing concept called the bill of rights and the 9th and 10th amendments almost certainly prohibit placing an army in any state without that state's permission.

I know Gordie Howe is training thousands of left wingers to skate down the freeways this winter to conquest the Northeast and Midwest but I think we might be able to handle the threat without a new Armed service. The sheer absurdity of this force and Obama's repeated calls for its creation should set off alarm bells. This will either defund our existing military, a rash and dangerous course of action given the realities of the world we live in or it is an overt effort to be able to back up coercive laws against the people, or both!

The only benign explanation for this Obama is trying to say he will do something he never really intends to implement to seem strong on domestic security.

Otherwise, no good can come from this. It is an unconstitutional overreach of federal power, unnecessary, if abused, threatens our liberty and costs too much for no appreciable gain in security at the cost of money for the real military. Creating this force provides future Presidents with the ability to take arms against America, that is 100% at variance with the principles and purpose of our government. It is tyranny waiting to happen and yet one more reason for Obama to never be President. I will fight this to my dying breath.

358 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:49:09pm
359 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:49:29pm

re: #355 loggiedog

Civilian National Security Force sounds like the KGB or something-- I mean basically a police force enforcing Socialist politically correct policies by force. Scary.

The Fruit of Islam will fit the bill quite nicely

360 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:49:47pm

re: #353 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I went into "My Account" and turned off the show-avatar icon function. I still have to reload much of the time, because New Comments just spins and spins, but the page loads a lot faster.

Thanks! I'll try that!

361 Promethea  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:07pm

re: #14 doppelganglander

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

I saw some members of the Tonton Macoute once. Talk about scary dudes!

362 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:11pm

re: #313 El Lizardo mejicano

Thanks! Bookmarked for future use in arguments and conversion attempts! :)

363 tracon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:12pm

this was suggested by Thomas Barnett awhile ago
check out his presentation to get a better idea of what this would mean.

Youtube Video

Not sure if this is what he means by this.

Oh and Posse Comitatus was violated by Bush a few years ago there is an army unit trained just for crowd control here in the US. 3rd Infantry Division is under control of NorthCom and is being trained for action here in the US mostly crowd control stuff from what i have heard

I don't agree or disagree just wanted to put out some info.

364 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:13pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

If the Dems manage to pack the Court, anything can be Constitutional. See my #290

"Interpreting" the Constitution is the greatest threat from an Obama presidency.

365 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:14pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?

The healthcare will be crap.

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:18pm
367 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:27pm

re: #317 Aussie Infidel

Sorry to disillusion you mate but the power of the State against one man (at a time) .... the State ALWAYS wins.

Don't throw your life away needlessly organize and 'white ant' the bastards from the inside.

Not quite. The point of the 2nd Amendment is that there will be millions of us, not one man. It is brilliantly set up so that the individual can't be a threat to the state, but if the state does something so extreme as to cause a very large number of the citizens to take up arms, they can keep the state in line.

368 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:33pm

re: #304 arethusa

But if you're buying a gun, how do you have an owner's card already?

Do you need a card to buy a gun there or just to buy a gun from a dealer? I've bought quite a few guns at the truck stops when the drivers get to playing that video poker. In Georgia, no card needed for those transactions.

369 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:55pm

This really frightens me, and I too will fight it. Remember, too, he said something about reinstating national service.

370 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:51:24pm

re: #358 buzzsawmonkey

What you are forgetting is that we are dealing with somebody whose views of the actual Constitution and laws start from a place that is way off the charts ....

Precisely.

371 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:51:28pm

re: #349 lummox

I watch tv with the remote firmly clasped and thumb poised ready. If a political ad by either side is aired....click , it's gone. Imagine my surprise when I sat through an entire ad and then ran over and high fived the screen.

Scene 1: The chocolate messiah explaining why he no longer wears a flag pin.
Scene 2: Bambi on a stage with his hands clasped over his fly as the national anthem plays.
Scene 3: Voice over explaining how the 0 went to a church for 20 years
Cue video of Jerimiah proclaiming "G-d Damn America.
Scene 4: To tell the truth, I don't remember what it was, I was so pissed.
Guy in a jacket and tie says
" America's not good enough for Barak Obama. Barak Obama is not good enough for America"

Sponsered by a PAC, not the McCain Campaign. Damn good ad IMHO.

Which PAC? Is it youtubed yet? Sounds great. Worthy of viral status.

372 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:02pm

re: #352 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pack the SCOTUS with Leftoid Justices and they will MAKE it Constitutional.

They'd still have to get through the Senate.

373 Griffon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:18pm

re: #312 lennysquiggy

not sure if it has been mentioned but i just found this on Twitter:

"The filmmaker behind Obama's infomercial is Davis Guggenheim, producer of An Inconvenient Truth and Deadwood"

Sixteen years later, society is even more jaded and cynical about these types of things. Watching a hyper-stylized propaganda film that features Barry as the protagonist, the interviewee, the interviewer and the narrator is just not gonna fly in the YouTube era. It is going to be seen as propaganda by the middle and the undecideds.

Plus it was BORING.

374 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:33pm

re: #341 spidly

I have a mini-arsenal and will not get any such card

What state?

375 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:35pm

He said this again in his infomercial? I didn't listen to it.

I thought the first might have been a mistake, but apparently he was not misquoted. This idea is insane and damned well dangerous.

376 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:41pm
377 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:46pm

re: #369 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}
MWAH!

Did you see my "fly on nose" picture this afternoon?

378 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:58pm

re: #369 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm frightened too. We must work and pray.

{gotc}

379 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:04pm

re: #262 eastvillageinfidel

Someone here posted a youtube video of a snippet of one of obamas speeches about this. It was and remains the thing that most disturbs me most about him. I have been trying to tell people I know about this but nobody believed me and I could never find the video again. I'm a little surprised he mentioned it. How can the idea of Obama having a private army not freak people out? Unless they think they'll be in it?

Here's a video of Obama speaking about it.

380 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:19pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

Of course. It will be NICE. No one is going to do away with elections! Doesn't Chicago have elections? Sure, ACORN and Co. will have full rein, and campaign finance laws will be enforce by the Party, and only the Party. And the Party will make sure that the media coverage of elections is just as fair as it has been in this elections, too! Except for all that racism and hate speech on talk radio and blogs. The Human Rights Commissions will handle those.

The Constitution? "The Constitution is whatever 5 of us say it is."- Harry Blackmun. Deconstruction! Can't be governed by the hand of dead white slave-holding males! The Constitution can mean anything you want it to mean. FOUR judges can't read the plain language of the 2nd amendment. All we need is one more.

But no. No jackboots. It will be nice. The veneer of democracy and constitutionalism will be there. The substance will be....euthanized.

381 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:21pm

re: #329 V5

Hey, Michelle can outfit them from the J. Crew on-line store...except we'll have to call them: "Classic Lace Up Weekend Ranger Boots in Dark Straw - Hazelnut Chino Workshirters"

382 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:47pm

re: #363 tracon

this was suggested by Thomas Barnett awhile ago
check out his presentation to get a better idea of what this would mean.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Not sure if this is what he means by this.

Oh and Posse Comitatus was violated by Bush a few years ago there is an army unit trained just for crowd control here in the US. 3rd Infantry Division is under control of NorthCom and is being trained for action here in the US mostly crowd control stuff from what i have heard

I don't agree or disagree just wanted to put out some info.

Ummmm, yeah, I'm going to have to see some background on that. And I'm going to need those TPS reports tomorrow, OK? That'd be great.

383 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:50pm

re: #366 buzzsawmonkey

Bernardine Dohrn is a lawyer.

was, right? I thought she had been disbarred the equiv and was working in daddies firm in some other function when she probably met the angry female Obama

384 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:56pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

{goddess}
MWAH!

Did you see my "fly on nose" picture this afternoon?

MWAH!
Please repost!

385 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:04pm

Civilian Defense Force - Oh, like People's Army.

BTW, what will a gun-hating Democrat administration arm them with, loyalty oaths?

386 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:15pm

re: #374 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What state?

Oregon

387 zombie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:16pm

In case anyone's interested:

Remember my essay yesterday about Obama and the Weather Underground? Remember how tantalizing yet incomplete and somewhat disappointing it seemed?

Well, erase that memory from your mind!

Because I have now just finished an extensive and thorough revision of the entire thing! Every suggestion for improving it that everyone made to me was implemented; dozens and dozens of new jaw-dropping links added; and an entirely new last section that completely changes the whole tenor of the report. All those things that you wish I had done are now there.

Anyway, I highly recommend taking a fresh look at it! :

Barack Obama’s Close Encounter with the Weather Underground

388 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:23pm

re: #372 Sharmuta

They'd still have to get through the Senate.

With a Dem majority easy enough to overcome. Too many minority Republicans, now and in the past, reach across the aisle to show they can play fair.

389 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:28pm

re: #365 Hobbes

The healthcare will be crap.

Most health care consumers are older people. Older people are closer to the end of their lives than younger people. Therefore expending healthcare resources on old people is inefficient and wasteful so it will be withheld.

Welcome to Government administered healthcare!

...and Soylent Green for all...

390 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:43pm

re: #349 lummox

Don't call him the 'Chocolate Messiah'. I doesn't help.

391 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:55pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

I'd just encourage the hamsters by reminding them that my mother has a pair of cats who'd love to have them for dinner.

392 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:07pm

re: #384 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!
Please repost!

Just for you!

393 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:35pm

re: #341 spidly

I have a mini-arsenal and will not get any such card

Again sorry to disillusion you but in the real world of state Power that just means that they would have to use a larger truck to haul it all away!

Enough of these BS last stand dramas running through your collective heads.

'Ain't going to happen'

These Socialists are NOT stupid. They will just quietly and slowly take a little bit of freedom away every day. nothing radical to 'scare the horses' until you wake up one day and remember the time when your used to be free.


That's how this works folks. I know. I live it everyday!


So enough of the Hollywood heroics and 'prising my gun from my cold dead fingers' rhetoric.

It's just that Rhetoric in the end.

Time to smarten up and use your brains to undermine these bottom dwellers. Once they have the resources of the State behind them you are just cannon fodder who will be vilified in death and mocked in life.

Play smart and don't get mad ... get even!

394 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:37pm

re: #386 spidly

Oregon

Crap... too far for a drive.

395 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:39pm

re: #302 Shug

If you get sick, they shoot you.

LOL

396 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:42pm

re: #329 V5

Here come the Jack Booted-Brown Shirts.

Have always wished I could relocate a quote I saw in the mid to late 1980s in the Hillsdale College newsletter Imprimis. It was something to the effect that when the jack boots come marching down the street again, they won't be worn by conservatives. Wish I knew who had been so prescient. Wish I had the rest of that article today.

That said, I have confidence that this will turn out alright.

397 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:45pm
398 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:51pm

re: #380 wolfie

In Chicago, the machines are rigged and they stuff unwanted ballots in the cellars.

Fair elections. yah

399 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:00pm

re: #369 goddessoftheclassroom

GotC, please add my grandson Griffin and his parents to the big prayer list. He is having open-heart surgery tomorrow. They are anticipating 8 hours in surgery and two weeks in the hospital.

400 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:09pm

re: #368 Outrider

Do you need a card to buy a gun there or just to buy a gun from a dealer? I've bought quite a few guns at the truck stops when the drivers get to playing that video poker. In Georgia, no card needed for those transactions.

To even hold a gun in Illinois, you need that card. Otherwise it's a felony.

401 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:46pm

re: #326 Aussie Infidel

Get used to it mate. I have to carry a Firearms license at all times. It was a bitch to get one too. Took 3 months and 3 interviews including two referees and my wife all of whom has a veto over my getting one!

Such is the Socialist way!


Just don't let it happen!

WA is a "shall issue" State, apply for a concealed pistol permit and unless you have a disqualifying record, the state issues.

For those with out a permit, pistols 5 day wait, long guns walk out with them.

402 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:55pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

Oh my. I'll pray tonight.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:17pm

re: #387 zombie

Hey, kid!
(almost everyone will be a "kid" when you get to my age!)

Saw that this morning (5AM).
I'll check out the revision.
Great work!
*salute*

404 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:39pm

re: #392 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just for you!

LOL! Back at ya!

405 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:46pm
406 Promethea  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:52pm

re: #72 Spellcheck

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.

I definitely have that creepy vibe. I hope that I'm exaggerating the threat. I'd rather be wrong than right in my predictions. However, it's just too easy, if power is concentrated, to set up the kinds of organizations being discussed above. The NOI and various other toughs are ready and waiting.

407 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:03pm

re: #364 Spiny Norman

If the Dems manage to pack the Court, anything can be Constitutional. See my #290

"Interpreting" the Constitution is the greatest threat from an Obama presidency.

Mark Levin played over and over again last night on his show a clip of Obama stating that the Constitution is "flawed" and how it is flawed, at length. It made me cringe. And he wants to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.

408 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:10pm

re: #400 Dark_Falcon

To even hold a gun in Illinois, you need that card. Otherwise it's a felony.

wonder why y'all have a sky high murder rate

409 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:16pm

OLDLINETEXAN my thoughts and prayers are with your family.

410 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:32pm

re: #383 spidly

was, right? I thought she had been disbarred the equiv and was working in daddies firm in some other function when she probably met the angry female Obama

You don't have to be a lawyer to be on the Supreme Court.

411 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:42pm

re: #354 Shug

Brad Lidge just got the jinx from Joe Buck

Didn't work - Phils win!

412 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:51pm

Phillies win/

It shoulda been the cubs

413 yah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:55pm

re: #327 taxfreekiller
I lived like that fro ten years when I was young - except for the guns.
It was actually fun. I loved the freedom. Woke up in a different place almost every day.

spell check too slow

414 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:59pm

re: #391 Dark_Falcon

Cat driven hamsters? Bwahahahahaha

415 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:01pm

Congrats, Phillies.

416 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:08pm

Phillys WIN!

417 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:24pm

re: #152 erevu

Lock and Load! Come and take it!

Nothing good will come of this. If we're very lucky, it will be a total waste of $500 billion. At the worst, Obama builds a Waffen SS all for him. Obama hangs out with a crowd that at one time contemplated the mass murder of some 25 million people.

It's not paranoia when they really are coming after you.

418 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:27pm

re: #404 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL! Back at ya!

LOL!
MWAH!

419 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:30pm

I hope we have baseball in the gulag

420 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:58pm

Which PAC? Is it youtubed yet? Sounds great. Worthy of viral status.

Searched youtube , couldn't find it.

421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:02pm

re: #408 spidly

wonder why y'all have a sky high murder rate

Of course, only the criminals have guns (in theory) and they see the rest of us as sheep.

/There are exceptions to the rule.

422 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:16pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

GotC, please add my grandson Griffin and his parents to the big prayer list. He is having open-heart surgery tomorrow. They are anticipating 8 hours in surgery and two weeks in the hospital.

(OldLineTexan)
Done.

423 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:42pm

Folks,

While Obama is one creepy dude, it really only discredits us when we state outright that he's going to take over the country and do away with election. Yes, his special paramilitary force is suspicious and potentially very dangerous, but there are a million more immediately understandable reasons to vote for him. The fact of the matter is that many people have already made up their minds. We need to go for the low-information voter, the one who'll vote on a face and a slogan.

424 Infidel_One  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:52pm

Just in case the unthinkable happens

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp

425 Daisy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:00pm

Will he be reinstating the draft?

426 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:05pm

re: #419 mama winger

I hope we have baseball in the gulag

We had this discussion already Comrade, it will be verboten.

427 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:14pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

GotC, please add my grandson Griffin and his parents to the big prayer list. He is having open-heart surgery tomorrow. They are anticipating 8 hours in surgery and two weeks in the hospital.

He, they and you have mine.

428 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:22pm

re: #417 Iron Fist

Lock and Load! Come and take it!

Nothing good will come of this. If we're very lucky, it will be a total waste of $500 billion. At the worst, Obama builds a Waffen SS all for him. Obama hangs out with a crowd that at one time contemplated the mass murder of some 25 million people.

It's not paranoia when they really are coming after you.


The mass murder of 25 million is tougher than they think when those 25 million are armed and will not surrender.

429 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:37pm
he’s planning a “civilian national security force” that is as powerful and well-funded as the US military: Obama outlines plan for national service.

I note a lot of jokes about this.

This is not a laughing matter.

"I get a bad feeling about this" is more appropriate.

430 Fried Spam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:44pm

Hi there! This is a tangent, but does anyone else around here get the FactCheck.org emails? Has anyone else noticed that they seem to be mainly correcting the things against Obama, and not anything against McCain?

431 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:57pm

re: #401 jcm

WA is a "shall issue" State, apply for a concealed pistol permit and unless you have a disqualifying record, the state issues.

For those with out a permit, pistols 5 day wait, long guns walk out with them.

5 day? no wait in oregon.
I have yet to go and get my $65 chl from washington, but then I only venture into vancouver to eat at el presidente and catch a movie about once every 2-3 months. got my FL permit.

432 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:59pm

re: #423 ClosetConservative

Folks,

While Obama is one creepy dude, it really only discredits us when we state outright that he's going to take over the country and do away with election. Yes, his special paramilitary force is suspicious and potentially very dangerous, but there are a million more immediately understandable reasons to vote for him. The fact of the matter is that many people have already made up their minds. We need to go for the low-information voter, the one who'll vote on a face and a slogan.

If you're fifteen, I'll eat my cat.

433 wee fury  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:02:10pm

Hooray, Phillies! Will this win impact the election, I wonder.

434 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:02:25pm

re: #367 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not quite. The point of the 2nd Amendment is that there will be millions of us, not one man. It is brilliantly set up so that the individual can't be a threat to the state, but if the state does something so extreme as to cause a very large number of the citizens to take up arms, they can keep the state in line.

I'm sure you understand the term

DEFEAT IN DETAIL


There will be no spontaneous uprising. Folks think they have far too much (materially) to lose. Just as long as the Obamination takes his time and 'cooks the frog' slowly one degree at a time, folks will stay separate and vulnerable as individuals.

Also remember that to organize and call to rise up against the State is sedition and will be dealt with incrementally case by case until the 'rest' are cowered. Such is the modern electronically overseen society!

435 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:02:30pm

re: #409 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

OLDLINETEXAN my thoughts and prayers are with your family.

Thanks to you and mamawinger and my Lizard buds here. We have actually been awaiting this day since about two hours after he was born in January. It's anticlimactic in a weird way.

436 Peter_P  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:07pm

We had those in Poland during the Socialist/Communist times. They were called ZOMO and were the most despised security force.

Here is some info on ZOMO translated by Google:

Bloody events "of the Poznan June" 1956, during which workers of the Cegielski factory demonstrated against the establishment. The use of troops and militias armed with firearms, have highlighted the leadership of PZPR (Polish Communist Party) need to establish a compact, mobile branches militia, ready for use at any time, appropriately trained and armed. New militias set up command of the Commander in Chief Gen. Richard MO Dobieszaka of 24 December 1956, received the name Motorized Formations of Civic Militia. From now on ZOMO had become synonymous with the most hated tools of repression in Poland.

The Poles called ZOMO in terms such as "zomole", "zomici" or simply "Gestapo".

Initially, the officers were in uniform ZOMO ordinary militia uniforms, additional equipment were only rubber batons and metal helmets military wz.41/50 painted in gray-blue color.

For the first time ZOMO appeared throughout the splendor in the streets of cities in Poland 20 January 1957, on the day of elections to the Sejm. It was a real show of force - the streets of cities and towns were filled with trucks (mostly borrowed from the Corps of Homeland Security and the army), in which sat armed with automatic weapons ZOMO.

They were usually used to disperse crowds and demonstrations.

437 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:10pm

re: #390 coquimbojoe

It helps me.

438 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:16pm

re: #408 spidly

wonder why y'all have a sky high murder rate

I don't wonder. Too many Dems here. And a state GOP that cannot figure out what it stands for. Still, in 2010 we'll have a good shot at the governor's mansion. And with luck Obama will still be in the Senate, so I may get the joy of watching him lose again.

439 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:27pm

re: #428 jcm

The mass murder of 25 million is tougher than they think when those 25 million are armed and will not surrender.

Mass murder of 25 million wolverines ... heh.

/throw in a several million pumas, too

440 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:28pm

re: #419 mama winger

I hope we have baseball in the gulag

They have baseball in Cuba, we should definitely have it in the gulag!

441 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:32pm

re: #42 gmsc

OT: PALIN ROARS!... Attacks Obama & LAT On Khalidi Tape-- "If There's a Pulitzer for Excellence in Kowtowing- The LAT Is Winning!"

OMG! She's a rogue! She's off script!

Thank goodness for Sarah Palin.

442 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:04:31pm

I'm having nightmare images of flabby belligerent KosKids covered with cheeto dust and reeking of stale beer fantasizing about what they can do with their state issued weapons. And that's the best case scenario.

443 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:04:58pm

The worst part about this all is that in spite of the obviously Nazi-esque undertones of BHO's proposal, is that how many people in this country simply don't get it.

I mean, this should be basic knowledge, but it isn't. What is it going to take for these people to wake the hell up?

i wonder how many of the proto-hippie young people would still vote for him if they realized he wanted to reinstate the draft too? Oh, wait....

I think they call it 'willful ignorance'

444 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:10pm

re: #363 tracon

this was suggested by Thomas Barnett awhile ago
check out his presentation to get a better idea of what this would mean.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Not sure if this is what he means by this.

Oh and Posse Comitatus was violated by Bush a few years ago there is an army unit trained just for crowd control here in the US. 3rd Infantry Division is under control of NorthCom and is being trained for action here in the US mostly crowd control stuff from what i have heard

I don't agree or disagree just wanted to put out some info.

Where do you find a link stating 3d Inf Div is subordinate to Northern Command? Northern Command has almost no organic units permanently assigned to it.

3d Inf Div has one brigade trained for crowd/riot control. So what? The entire National Guard and Army Reserves have always received specific training in those areas.

What was the Posse Comitatus violation you are referring to? The last time troops were used in this regard was 1968, I think. In Detroit.

445 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:18pm
446 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:26pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Protect the arugula collectives. He who controls the Arugula controls the universe!

First you get the arugala - then you get the power - then you get the women!

447 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:27pm

As election day nears, educating voters is hard, especially with all the Hopey Changey emotional stuff built up around The One. Gotta break through it somehow.

Besides bumper stickers, buttons and cartoons, may I suggest some not-too-complex logic bombs such as

1) The infamous 45 Communist Goals as handouts, 1-sheet 2-sided

2) 2008 CPUSA Platform, as brochures, placed nearby Obama/Biden posters in public places, and marked "free stuff"

3) In a multiple choice quiz, you can slip all sorts of info into the "wrong" answers. Be subversive. Fight dirty.

448 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:31pm

re: #372 Sharmuta

No sweat. Ruth Bader Ginsburg got through the Senate without a protest. She explicitly rejects the notion that the Constitution takes precedence over "enlightened world opinion."

It is only conservatives, who actually believe in interpreting the document as written, who are borked.

449 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:31pm

Criminy. Time to retire the hamsters and hire some Oompa Loompas.

450 notutopia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:34pm

re: #338 alien_mind

He does not behave like the "christian" ideology in regard to assisting his family.
His ideology is embedded in Extreme Socialism. The government will allocate what everyone will equally receive in terms of aid.
Except for him.

451 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:34pm

re: #385 Gearhead

Civilian Defense Force - Oh, like People's Army.

BTW, what will a gun-hating Democrat administration arm them with, loyalty oaths?

What else could it be?

452 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:59pm

re: #431 spidly

5 day? no wait in oregon.
I have yet to go and get my $65 chl from washington, but then I only venture into vancouver to eat at el presidente and catch a movie about once every 2-3 months. got my FL permit.

5 day wait is a pain, but with the CPL walk out with it. WA doesn't have mag caps or any of that assault weapon silliness.

453 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:06:04pm
454 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:06:16pm

Great. Now he's touting some kind of civilian national security force. Could you imagine four years of this idiot?

Glad I don't have a TV and didn't fall prey to temptation and watched this monster.

Il Duce Obama. The Grand Iyatollah Barack Hussein Obama.

455 greensbuickfarm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:06:33pm

Somewhat OT, but I just heard about this today ACORN in OK
Hmmm...looks like they were in my state causing trouble. Of course, they didn't pay the rent...left the building in shambles...but they did leave behind some interesting papers and their computers.
BTW, I think I was labeled a troll a few days ago, because I hadn't posted much in the thee or four years I have been here...sorry, but reports of my 'trolling' are overstated. No troll here...

456 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:06:40pm

re: #441 Who Watches the Watchmen?

OMG! She's a rogue! She's off script!

Thank goodness for Sarah Palin.

Kowtow...literally (to) knock (the) head

KOWTOW them, SARAH

457 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:06:57pm

As long as it is a block grant to the NRA and the BSA to revitalize the CMP, I'm all for it.

458 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:06:59pm

re: #449 Gearhead

Criminy. Time to retire the hamsters and hire some Oompa Loompas.

I'm afraid Willie Wonka has hired all of them.

459 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:07:21pm

re: #434 Aussie Infidel

Also remember that to organize and call to rise up against the State is sedition and will be dealt with incrementally case by case until the 'rest' are cowered. Such is the modern electronically overseen society!

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

460 Bleepless  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:07:31pm

Obama's idea sounds much like Juan Peron's descamisado militia. It was larger than the Army and was run by his own Justicialista party. Deja vu, huh?

461 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:07:32pm

re: #442 eastvillageinfidel

I'm having nightmare images of flabby belligerent KosKids covered with cheeto dust and reeking of stale beer fantasizing about what they can do with their state issued weapons. And that's the best case scenario.

Given their personal hygiene, weapon maintenance won't be a priority. Easy pickin's.

462 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:07:36pm

re: #339 markx

I say, throw the women and children first. They always slow us down.

LOL

463 tracon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:07:42pm

re: #382 OldLineTexan

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]

They have been tasked with a homeland tour of duty. Acting as an NBCD (Nuke Bio Chem Defense) reaction force and as a security force and crowd control.

Do you want a cover sheet with that or a table of contents with that too
:)

464 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:08:06pm

re: #442 eastvillageinfidel

I'm having nightmare images of flabby belligerent KosKids covered with cheeto dust and reeking of stale beer fantasizing about what they can do with their state issued weapons. And that's the best case scenario.

Most KosKids, including MarKos, would piss their pants.

And yes, I know he was in the military. I am sure he was the latest model potato peeler.

465 JohnGaltLives  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:08:07pm

Michelle Obama went to Khalidi's daughter's wedding. Someone should check to see if any pictures were in the social section of the newspaper.

466 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:08:25pm

re: #447 abolitionist

An example to illustrate:

Prairie Fire was a
a) manifesto by and for SDS/Weather Underground, advocating the violent overthrow of a capitalist, imperialist, warmongering and hopelessly racist USA, in order to establish a communist "dictatorship of the proletariat" in the words of its author(s)
b) public saftey manual about coping with brush fires in California
c) method of clearing underbrush that had been providing cover for the Viet Cong Freedom Fighters
d) post-election revenge tactic used by Obama's cousin's favored politician in Kenya
e) crappy Hollywood movie, even worse than Saving Private Ryan, Casablanca, Towering Inferno, or Gone With the Wind

Prairie Fire was written by
a) Bill Ayers and other members of SDS/Weather Underground
b) Ho Che Minh, in collaboration with John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Walter Cronkite, Sojourners, and the May 19th Coalition
c) Fidel Castro, who hosted SDS/WU members for training sessions in education and techniques for manually harvesting sugar cane
d) George Bush Sr's planning staff in the CIA
e) Rosy O'Donnel, as partial documentation of her research into the melting of steel

Prairie Fire was published in
a) 1974 when Barack Hussein Obama was a teenager and being mentored by Frank Marshall Davis, a radical socialist from Chicago
b) 1971 when US soldiers were killing women and children in 'Nam in the manner of Genghis Khan
c) 1970 for promoting 1st Earth Day and ecological awareness
d) 1968 as the policy platform of the anarchist delegation to the Democratic National Convention in Chicago
e) 1965 when BHO's parents found each other in the excitement of Martin Luther King's March on Selma
f) 1960 when BHO's parents found each other in a Russian language class at University of Hawaii

Prairie Fire has a dedication page honoring
a) Sirhan-Sirhan, convicted assassin of Robert F. Kennedy
b) John F. Kerry, for his Genghis Khan speech to Congress
c) Jane Fonda, for aid and comfort to the struggling Viet Cong
d) Mahatma Gandhi, for the "moral high ground" advice offered to, but ignored by, European Jews after Krystalnacht
e) George Soros -- Holocaust survivor, author, mover and shaker, and part time unofficial webmaster of factcheck.org
f) Bill Ayers -- recent Chicago Educator of the Year award recipient, described by Obama as "a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who I know" and worked with for years on a board, and “not somebody who I exchange ideas FROM on a regular basis.”

In this quiz, your score is entirely up to you, on your honor.

The test on November 4 may merit some extra study.

467 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:08:28pm

re: #434 Aussie Infidel

I'm sure you understand the term

DEFEAT IN DETAIL


There will be no spontaneous uprising. Folks think they have far too much (materially) to lose. Just as long as the Obamination takes his time and 'cooks the frog' slowly one degree at a time, folks will stay separate and vulnerable as individuals.

Also remember that to organize and call to rise up against the State is sedition and will be dealt with incrementally case by case until the 'rest' are cowered. Such is the modern electronically overseen society!

It will be an interesting time.

468 J.S.  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:08:30pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

Well, not everyone is making such claims (and not even those who are doing so --ie, those who are talking about Prez Obama for Life -- might not intend their remarks to be taken seriously -- it may be jesting or deliberate exaggerations for effect -- it's Free Speech) But i think everyone here -- within the stated guidelines -- is quite free to speculate...(for example, I'm thinking -- in Canadian law, there's the War Measures Act, etc., and it wouldn't take much to suspend civil liberties -- I don't think the same exists in the United States...that is, the existence of draconian laws which can over-rule the Constitution...but, it's useful/instructive to consider or speculate about what an Obama presidency could entail...eg, could the Second Amendment be vastly curtailed? and I have no qualms about brainstorming these questions, considering all possibilities (perhaps discarding the more outlandish)...but it's useful info to consider nonetheless...(don't have to agree with any of the ideas either).

469 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:08:39pm

I don't think 0bama would be able to load the court with a bunch of leftist nuts- there is just no way the Senate would confirm a move like that. They're the ones who have to face re-election and Hillary wouldn't let him do it, much less the republicans, Lieberman, and a few other moderate democrats.

470 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:09:18pm

re: #442 eastvillageinfidel

I'm having nightmare images of flabby belligerent KosKids covered with cheeto dust and reeking of stale beer fantasizing about what they can do with their state issued weapons. And that's the best case scenario.

Trust me, they wouldn't last in a real fight for a second. (Note the key phrases 'flabby' and 'cheeto dust') It's pretty easy to defeat an enemy that gets winded just from walking up a flight of stairs.

471 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:09:21pm

re: #442 eastvillageinfidel

I'm having nightmare images of flabby belligerent KosKids covered with cheeto dust and reeking of stale beer fantasizing about what they can do with their state issued weapons. And that's the best case scenario.

Unfortunately, I'm thinking Bloods, Crips, Gangster Disciples, Latin Kings, MS-13 all getting a cut of the American Pie.

472 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:09:34pm

re: #457 de La Valette

As long as it is a block grant to the NRA and the BSA to revitalize the CMP, I'm all for it.

We're pretty much out of used weapons that wouldn't fall under the NFA, unfortunately. Uncle Sam is NEVER going to sell the M-14s and M-16s he doesn't want, since they are mostly select-fire.

473 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:10:04pm

re: #446 jamgarr

First you get the arugala - then you get the power - then you get the women!

You just have to make sure to stay ahead, otherwise you'll end up with a devistating arugula gap.

474 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:10:13pm

Also- since he's not going to win, this is moot.

475 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:10:48pm

re: #407 ciaospirit

Mark Levin played over and over again last night on his show a clip of Obama stating that the Constitution is "flawed" and how it is flawed, at length. It made me cringe. And he wants to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.

To uphold his interpretation of the Constitution, yes.

476 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:10:57pm

re: #397 buzzsawmonkey

Obama chooses his scripted words very, very carefully. Throwing the term "national security" in there, and equating it with the military, does not fill me with confidence that he is talking about reading stories to the blind.

He is careful with his words, yes. I am not concerned with the creation of an ersatz Gestapo civilian Army filled with moonbats looking to do the masters bidding. It is something to keep an eye on though. I have no doubt if he thought he could form this group (in our best interest of course) he would. I seriously doubt he can do this, although he can create the groundwork for a future Obama to do it.

My immediate concern is his end run to get all these hundreds of thousands of people on the federal and state payrolls with full benefits and piss poor work habits that can not be fired or disciplined.

477 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:11:21pm
478 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:11:43pm

re: #452 jcm

5 day wait is a pain, but with the CPL walk out with it. WA doesn't have mag caps or any of that assault weapon silliness.

if you obtained your OR CHL 1996 or before you don't even need NICS.
I have an alias because they booked some speeding drug trafficker under my info so I usually get to submit prints and wait a couple hours every time.

479 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:11:44pm

Bud Selig is a rich man. Why can't he get a good toupee?

480 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:12:07pm

re: #474 Sharmuta

Also- since he's not going to win, this is moot.

I'm confident, but not entirely convinced. How many imaginary voters did ACORN sign up and "vote early"?

481 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:12:08pm

re: #463 tracon

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]


They have been tasked with a homeland tour of duty. Acting as an NBCD (Nuke Bio Chem Defense) reaction force and as a security force and crowd control.

Do you want a cover sheet with that or a table of contents with that too
:)

Depends on whether you wanna get paid. ;)

BTW,

The package is for use only in war-zone operations, not for any domestic purpose

Doesn't quite meet your claims, IMO.

But hey, very cool link. Thanks.

482 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:12:20pm

Can I ask a simple question?

Exactly WHY is it that Obama says we need this "civilian force?"

483 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:12:31pm

re: #469 Sharmuta

This is problematic if the weirdos get a sufficient majority to avoid filibusters and such. However, despite the pronouncements of doom and gloom (I'm looking at you, Allahpundit.) about the senate, I don't think it'll be so bad. Murtha's likely to lose. Frank is actually taking out ads to defend himself. And these people are in supposedly SAFE districts. It's looking bad for the dems, and deservedly so.

484 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:12:31pm

re: #459 Who Watches the Watchmen?

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Sorry to tell you but the average IQ politically disinterested, overweight, undereducated Joe Schmo 'Mall-rat' consumer is NOT an armed agrarian Minuteman!

Please don't expect the Joe Schmos to participate.

They are more the Roman mob roaring for 'bread and circuses' than armed self sufficient farmers with a LOT to lose

485 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:12:39pm

re: #442 eastvillageinfidel

I'm having nightmare images of flabby belligerent KosKids covered with cheeto dust and reeking of stale beer fantasizing about what they can do with their state issued weapons. And that's the best case scenario.

General Oliver Willis?

486 Viking6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:12:41pm

RED DAWN

487 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:13:29pm

re: #474 Sharmuta

Also- since he's not going to win, this is moot.

If he does not win. what are we going to do to finally END THE SOVIET-CREATED PROBLEM KNOWN AS LEFTISM?

488 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:13:30pm

re: #479 arethusa

Bud Selig is a rich man. Why can't he get a good toupee?

You're pondering an imponderable. Stop that.

;^)

489 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:13:39pm

re: #477 taxfreekiller

Juan Peron ='s Obama

But he had Evita. What does obama have...?

Erm...Yeah...

We're safe.

490 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:13:47pm

re: #480 Spiny Norman

I'm confident, but not entirely convinced. How many imaginary voters did ACORN sign up and "vote early"?

And can we expose them and thus force recounts. This may end up as a drawn out process.

491 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:14:38pm

re: #486 Viking6

RED DAWN

I SO need to make myself up a WOLVERINES jacket now.

492 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:14:42pm

re: #478 spidly

if you obtained your OR CHL 1996 or before you don't even need NICS.
I have an alias because they booked some speeding drug trafficker under my info so I usually get to submit prints and wait a couple hours every time.

I've had my WA CPL since '80 or so, I just renew and go about my business.

493 angrywhitedad  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:14:59pm

Gretas got that chipmunk lookin fu*k Juan Williams on talking about the tape. He's trying to spin it that the tape is'nt hurtful to the commie only the controversey what a tool.

494 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:15:01pm

re: #467 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

It will be an interesting time.

That it will.

There is a simple solution however.

Elect McCain and ensure that ALL McCain supporters VOTE


.... and pray for rain hail lightning and snow on election day!

495 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:15:07pm

re: #432 mama winger

Rumor has it that cat is a delicacy in certain parts of China.

496 Davida  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:15:32pm

The taupe shirted re-education squads.
FULLY funded with street money and a full pass from the LA Times.... I mean Pravda.

497 Dasher  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:15:48pm

Unfortunately Posse Comitatus is just a law, that can be changed with another law. With a willing congress anything is possible.

Purpose: Keep the rubes in line.

498 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:16:14pm

Somehow the TSA comes to mind including their hiring practices. The TSA would be a good example of what Il Duce Obama would wind up creating.

Another thing would be something like Louis Farrakhan's bodyguards.

499 yesandno  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:16:20pm

re: #49 psyop

Will they wear brown shirts?

...just asking.

Not necessarily...but brown pants might come in handy

500 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:16:30pm

re: #491 NoSpam

I SO need to make myself up a WOLVERINES jacket now.

Don't do that. Don't let them know you're against them. In a worst case scenario, concealment would be you best defense, at least at first.

501 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:16:34pm

re: #480 Spiny Norman

I'm confident, but not entirely convinced. How many imaginary voters did ACORN sign up and "vote early"?

Supposedly less than the 1.5 million they first claimed.

502 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:16:52pm

re: #486 Viking6

RED DAWN

An example of a reality disassociated mind. Living the Hollywood dream!


More bread and circuses!

503 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:16:59pm

re: #469 Sharmuta

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a leftist anti-constitutionalist.
Obama CAN and WILL fill the Supreme Court with justices who reflect his own views. NO doubt about it.

504 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:17:02pm

re: #434 Aussie Infidel

That was spoken like the voice of experience. If you are an Aussie, then you have been requested to disarm, under color of law, if I am not mistaken.

505 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:17:13pm

re: #492 jcm

I've had my WA CPL since '80 or so, I just renew and go about my business.

i was 12 in 1980.

but I still knew carter was a douche

506 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:17:27pm

re: #497 Dasher

Unfortunately Posse Comitatus is just a law, that can be changed with another law. With a willing congress anything is possible.

Purpose: Keep the rubes in line.

We'll the rubes 'round here abouts intended to keep them in line.

507 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:17:27pm

re: #486 Viking6

RED DAWN

Inspired by Billy Ayers' Prairie Fire, btw.

I'm sure I remember John Milius talking about the Weathermen in regards to the movie plot.

508 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:18:01pm

The PUMAs are busy!

Here’s the third punch: Obama accepted a bribe as a state senator

509 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:18:12pm

re: #494 Aussie Infidel

Exactly. That will be the simple solution.

/and I don't think Ayers has some other protage he's been training for the last 28 years. Obama is those bastard's best hope to take over the country. Damn I hate 60's radicals.

510 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:18:25pm

The fact that he mentioned this in his Infomercial is BIG NEWS. The founding fathers didn't like standing armies. This is a standing army patrolling American streets?

511 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:18:27pm

I repeat, WHY did 0 say we need a "civilian securtiy force?"

512 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:19:07pm

re: #397 buzzsawmonkey

Obama chooses his scripted words very, very carefully. Throwing the term "national security" in there, and equating it with the military, does not fill me with confidence that he is talking about reading stories to the blind.

And we thought Bill Clinton was slick.

513 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:19:27pm

Friends, neighbors, and Killgore Trout;

I'm not so concerned as some here about an Obadin presidency. Oh, I have concerns, just not as many as some right here seem to have.

I have confidence that my relatives and such still in the Armed Forces meant that 'enemies, foreign and domestic' stuff.

But consider all those unfilled judicial benches. You know, the ones empty because Bush 43's nominees haven't passed Pelosi/Reid muster. What kind of judge do you think Obadin will send up? How long do you think it will take the committee to send them right along for a straight up-and-down party line vote?

That concerns me.

A fellow once told me (a Black man, if it matters) that every serious problem he had had been visited upon him by people wearing suits and ties or uniforms of some kind.

I'm feeling that fellow.

514 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:19:38pm

re: #511 erisldysnomia

I repeat, WHY did 0 say we need a "civilian securtiy force?"

To make sure kids in kindergarten share their toys and peanut butter sandwiches?

515 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:20:04pm

re: #508 Spellcheck

The PUMAs are busy!

Here’s the third punch: Obama accepted a bribe as a state senator

A Democrat legislator accepting a bribe?

SHOCKED, I tell you!

516 Viking6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:20:11pm

re: #491 NoSpam
LOL - Also FYI
"Red Dawn" was the given code name of the military operation in Iraq that captured Saddam Hussein on December 13, 2003.

517 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:20:17pm

re: #510 Archimedes

The fact that he mentioned this in his Infomercial is BIG NEWS. The founding fathers didn't like standing armies. This is a standing army patrolling American streets?

A MASSIVE WELL ARMED ARMY PATROLLING AMERICAN STREETS?
Is this what he is proposing?

518 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:20:58pm

I just logged in and saw this and feel compelled to share something about Public Safety, emergencies and heavy handed government that knows what is right for you.

A year ago 12 houses on my street burned to the ground. Two still stand and mine is one of them.

Thing is, none of those houses had to burn. Not one. The fire that consumed them was burning upwind and took 48 hours to move 3000 feet and take out those 12 homes.

So why did they burn?

Because "Public Saftey" officials ordered an evacuation and then set out to arrest those who stayed behind. I was one of those arrested and then released without charge, but outside of an armed perimeter that surrounded my neighborhood.

I have my own fire fighting equipment including redundant fire pumps that use my pool and a secondary tank reservoir to supply an hours worth of water to two fire hoses at full pressure - plenty to save my structure and adjacent ones. Most of that equipment burned in the fire because after Public Safety cordoned off my neighborhood and then abandoned the area to simply let it burn.

Why would they do that? The City Manager decided that the area (with paved street and fire hydrants) was too rugged and dangerous for fire fighters to enter. So the area burned for 48 hours without any fire support whatsoever.

My house has a contemporary design that has straight walls with no eaves so it took flames burning over it for some time. An AP photographer even got a few shots of it from a helicopter (not that any fire fighting helicopters were in the area) and it was on the front page of several news sites because it looked like it was burning. Finally, part of the place did catch on fire (about 5 hours after the AP photographer left). We were fortunate that an engine that drove down from Lawrence Livermore Labs basically ran the blockade and put out the fire at our house.

Since then, only one of the 12 has started framing (that happened today). Another 2 are now working on foundations. The rest are either working to get permits (yes - it has taken over a year) or have learned that the cost of permits has been raised to the point where they can't afford to rebuild.

Several of us tried to form a group of volunteer fire fighters and were told firmly by the city that they would do everything they could to stop it because they "can't be responsible for our safety."

But they have no problem tacking on an extra $500 a year on my property taxes for special fire fighting fees.

Big government will always justify itself as acting in your interest. And they will always end up acting in theirs.

This new "Security Force" will do the very same. And even if it is set up to protect us, it will start to see us as a threat to them and ourselves, which they will feel compelled to act upon.

If you know anyone on the fence who has BDS ask them this - what happens with this force after Obama? What if it had been set up under Clinton and George Bush inherited it? Would that make them feel comfortable or uncomfortable?

My own lesson is clear - I have created a place on my property where I and others can elude the police (and a firestorm or even fallout) for the next evacuation. And I have exercised my 2nd amendment rights. I designed the new gate to my property (the old burned) so that it can used as an effective barrier against anything less than a dozer. And I replaced all of the fire fighting equipment that burned.

Am I paranoid? No - because I lived the fear that I am now prepared to prevent from coming about again.

519 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:21:20pm

re: #507 Spiny Norman

Inspired by Billy Ayers' Prairie Fire, btw.

I'm sure I remember John Milius talking about the Weathermen in regards to the movie plot.

How? The freaking Cuban's attacked Colorado by paradrop. Once you get past the monumental idiocy of that statement, there was no popular uprising involved.

/working on very old memories here. The movie sucked.

520 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:21:21pm

re: #515 Spiny Norman

A Democrat legislator accepting a bribe?

SHOCKED, I tell you!

Did he stuff his in his bra, too?/

521 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:21:24pm

re: #483 NoSpam

This is problematic if the weirdos get a sufficient majority to avoid filibusters and such. However, despite the pronouncements of doom and gloom (I'm looking at you, Allahpundit.) about the senate, I don't think it'll be so bad. Murtha's likely to lose. Frank is actually taking out ads to defend himself. And these people are in supposedly SAFE districts. It's looking bad for the dems, and deservedly so.

I think it's highly unlikely that a dohrn or other radical leftist would get confirmed by people who have to face the electorate within 2 years. I think it's highly unlikely that public pressure would not work on Senators facing such a nutcase nominee. I think the PUMAs would work against such a thing as well as the right.

522 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:21:33pm

re: #511 erisldysnomia

I repeat, WHY did 0 say we need a "civilian securtiy force?"

To put down the 60's style riots that will somehow break out all across the country.

...for starters, anyway.

523 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:21:39pm

re: #511 erisldysnomia

I repeat, WHY did 0 say we need a "civilian securtiy force?"

Internal security is needed by Marxists. It is always used to suppress dissent.

524 Tigger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:21:55pm

Maybe this is OT, but as I was trying to log in about 40 minutes ago, for some reason I was only able to enter my user ID and password from the comments section, and then what I got was a white screen with the single word "eh?" in the top left corner. Am I under the microscope? Creepy!

525 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:21:55pm

re: #482 erisldysnomia

Can I ask a simple question?

Exactly WHY is it that Obama says we need this "civilian force?"

I guess he has plans that the military forces might object to.

526 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:22:20pm

A civilian security force would pit neighbor against neighbor. Maybe even family against family. This "force" is not needed and no good can come of this.

527 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:22:42pm

re: #517 Archimedes

A MASSIVE WELL ARMED ARMY PATROLLING AMERICAN STREETS?
Is this what he is proposing?

Well, what else is a "civilian national security force?"

Security against ... ?

528 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:23:15pm

re: #518 karmic_inquisitor

Self sufficiency will be more actively discouraged in the future.

529 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:23:25pm

re: #517 Archimedes

A MASSIVE WELL ARMED ARMY PATROLLING AMERICAN STREETS?
Is this what he is proposing?

I suspect he doesn't really have a good idea what he would do with such a thing. It just sounds "ennobling" and "hopey changey".

530 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:23:42pm

What you need during the Police State

From the friendly folks at IndyMedia.

531 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:23:45pm

re: #503 wolfie

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is a leftist anti-constitutionalist.
Obama CAN and WILL fill the Supreme Court with justices who reflect his own views. NO doubt about it.

Especially if he gets a filibuster-proof majority in Congress.

532 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:24:26pm

re: #461 jcm

re: #464 OldLineTexan

re: #470 NoSpam

re: #471 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Note that I did say that's the best case scenario. I wasn't being entirely humorous. This makes me very uneasy. (possible humiliation of KosKids is the only real bright spot :) )

533 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:24:30pm

re: #504 rawmuse

That was spoken like the voice of experience. If you are an Aussie, then you have been requested to disarm, under color of law, if I am not mistaken.

Actually I'm currently in New Zealand and we are under the thumb of a hard line socialist (Member of Socialist international) lesbian Prime Minister Helen Clark. Well for about two more weeks if there is any justice in this world and unless she can cobble together a disparate collection of single issue parties to form a shaky coalition.

In NZ it is VERY difficult to own a firearm. I can still remember sitting in a Plice station for 30 minutes while a spotty faced 20 year old cop forced me to try to justify my ownership of a shotgun!

Pistols .... forget that. You have to be able to prove that you can walk on water to own one of those! :)


In Australia the left tried to ban firearms. They instituted buy back schemes and eased up on shotguns as a sop. Thousands of old rusty longs were surrender and lots of shiny new shotguns purchased. The REAL firearms were all hidden until the left got sick of trying to find them. Amazing how many plastic may containers were sold!


Even supposedly liberal judges (and i know of one personally) kept family firearms illegally, buried them just in case.


All i all Australia is STILL VERY heavily armed. it's just that now the state doesn't know who owns what!

534 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:24:41pm

re: #515 Spiny Norman

A Democrat legislator accepting a bribe?

SHOCKED, I tell you!

Can this be proven? If it could, it would be the knock out blow to Obama.

535 shiek al beif salami  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:24:52pm

re: #419 mama winger

Chess is what we play in the gulag, where frozen milk is sold by the meter.

536 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:24:59pm

re: #527 erisldysnomia

Well, what else is a "civilian national security force?"

Security against ... ?

It can't be security against Islamic terrorists, since they don't exist.... /duh

I think McCain has a new talking point, and conservatives of all stripes have a powerful new point to raise ALL HOLY HELL ABOUT.

537 stymie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:25:00pm

re: #154 rawmuse

America is in such a horrible economic condition that it took me 10 minutes to find a parking spot at the mall today.

Get a handicapped placard like me!

538 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:25:03pm

re: #408 spidly

wonder why y'all have a sky high murder rate

You're right, in Illinois, owning a gun without a Firearm Owners ID card is a felony. Murder is also a felony. Those who commit the murders obviously aren't impressed with the term felony.

539 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:25:13pm

re: #335 KathyP

The first thing that came to mind when I read this was thinking back to Revolutionary times when the Brits parked a soldier in every colonist's home to squelch dissent against the Crown. Scary then, just as scary now. Especially when done under the guise of securing our country, and with an outlandish budget, no less. Maybe even way more scary now that I think about it.

Hey, maybe we'll get to actually do something with the Third Amendment.

*shudder*

541 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:27:29pm

re: #463 tracon

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]


They have been tasked with a homeland tour of duty. Acting as an NBCD (Nuke Bio Chem Defense) reaction force and as a security force and crowd control.

Do you want a cover sheet with that or a table of contents with that too
:)

They are on an on-call basis, a one year rotational duty, not a subordinate unit to Northern Command. You have dramatized it fairly well. But, whatever pulls your trigger.

542 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:27:42pm

re: #530 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What you need during the Police State

From the friendly folks at IndyMedia.

I got as far as "the deputisation of corporatists" and couldn't stop laughing.

I take they think they're preparing for McCain "stealing" the election and immediately going after the chronic masturbators at Indymedia.

What bozos.

543 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:28:20pm

re: #530 Who Watches the Watchmen?

What you need during the Police State

From the friendly folks at IndyMedia.

Thanks!

544 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:28:35pm

re: #537 stymie

Get a handicapped placard like me!

Bad karma. I am still spry.

545 Griffon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:29:33pm
Hi there! This is a tangent, but does anyone else around here get the FactCheck.org emails? Has anyone else noticed that they seem to be mainly correcting the things against Obama, and not anything against McCain?

I got an email from someone accusing snopes of doing the same thing - being pro-Obama. The email was circulating in an attempt to warn people about the site being very liberal and not to believe everything it debunks about Obama.

546 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:29:34pm

Night all... need to rest up for the big day.

/go team!

547 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:29:37pm

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Can this be proven? If it could, it would be the knock out blow to Obama.

I have no idea. But even if it were, the Media would bury it.

548 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:29:49pm

re: #393 Aussie Infidel

I likes the way you think.

And you're right. One man against the State is a soon-to-be-deceased man.

'Tis better to live to fight another day.

Sooner of later it will be 'your day to die' but there's no sense rushing it. But sometimes you do have to stand and fight where you are.

549 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:29:53pm

re: #521 Sharmuta

I think it's highly unlikely that a dohrn or other radical leftist would get confirmed by people who have to face the electorate within 2 years. I think it's highly unlikely that public pressure would not work on Senators facing such a nutcase nominee. I think the PUMAs would work against such a thing as well as the right.

But the problem is that these people are already so out of touch with reality to begin with and they're getting worse. A Dohrn? No, that wouldn't fly. But it doesn't take a Dohrn to completely screw things up for everybody. Most all of the dem's choices are wonky these days--Remember it's the Clinton appointees that are screwing with all the voter fraud lawsuits going on.

550 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:30:45pm

re: #495 ClosetConservative

Rumor has it that cat is a delicacy in certain parts of China.

Fortune found in a cookie on the shady side of the town:

THAT WASN'T CHICKEN

551 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:31:01pm

re: #538 Hobbes

You're right, in Illinois, owning a gun without a Firearm Owners ID card is a felony. Murder is also a felony. Those who commit the murders obviously aren't impressed with the term felony.

about 2 years ago we had an aggressive panhandler start beating on a guy who wouldn't give him money. victim responded with his .357. we do not have an aggressive panhandling problem in portland

552 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:31:15pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.


Let them come. . .they can meet my little friend. . . .

553 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:31:26pm

re: #518 karmic_inquisitor

I just logged in and saw this and feel compelled to share something about Public Safety, emergencies and heavy handed government that knows what is right for you.

A year ago 12 houses on my street burned to the ground. Two still stand and mine is one of them.

Thing is, none of those houses had to burn. Not one. The fire that consumed them was burning upwind and took 48 hours to move 3000 feet and take out those 12 homes.

So why did they burn?

Because "Public Saftey" officials ordered an evacuation and then set out to arrest those who stayed behind. I was one of those arrested and then released without charge, but outside of an armed perimeter that surrounded my neighborhood.

I have my own fire fighting equipment including redundant fire pumps that use my pool and a secondary tank reservoir to supply an hours worth of water to two fire hoses at full pressure - plenty to save my structure and adjacent ones. Most of that equipment burned in the fire because after Public Safety cordoned off my neighborhood and then abandoned the area to simply let it burn.

Why would they do that? The City Manager decided that the area (with paved street and fire hydrants) was too rugged and dangerous for fire fighters to enter. So the area burned for 48 hours without any fire support whatsoever.

My house has a contemporary design that has straight walls with no eaves so it took flames burning over it for some time. An AP photographer even got a few shots of it from a helicopter (not that any fire fighting helicopters were in the area) and it was on the front page of several news sites because it looked like it was burning. Finally, part of the place did catch on fire (about 5 hours after the AP photographer left). We were fortunate that an engine that drove down from Lawrence Livermore Labs basically ran the blockade and put out the fire at our house.

Since then, only one of the 12 has started framing (that happened today). Another 2 are now working on foundations. The rest are either working to get permits (yes - it has taken over a year) or have learned that the cost of permits has been raised to the point where they can't afford to rebuild.

Several of us tried to form a group of volunteer fire fighters and were told firmly by the city that they would do everything they could to stop it because they "can't be responsible for our safety."

But they have no problem tacking on an extra $500 a year on my property taxes for special fire fighting fees.

Big government will always justify itself as acting in your interest. And they will always end up acting in theirs.

This new "Security Force" will do the very same. And even if it is set up to protect us, it will start to see us as a threat to them and ourselves, which they will feel compelled to act upon.

If you know anyone on the fence who has BDS ask them this - what happens with this force after Obama? What if it had been set up under Clinton and George Bush inherited it? Would that make them feel comfortable or uncomfortable?

My own lesson is clear - I have created a place on my property where I and others can elude the police (and a firestorm or even fallout) for the next evacuation. And I have exercised my 2nd amendment rights. I designed the new gate to my property (the old burned) so that it can used as an effective barrier against anything less than a dozer. And I replaced all of the fire fighting equipment that burned.

Am I paranoid? No - because I lived the fear that I am now prepared to prevent from coming about again.

This is why government can't be trusted. They should stick to military, police and courts, and leave the rest to free men in a free market.

554 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:31:49pm

HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.

555 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:32:44pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

GotC, please add my grandson Griffin and his parents to the big prayer list. He is having open-heart surgery tomorrow. They are anticipating 8 hours in surgery and two weeks in the hospital.

My prayers are with you and yours.

556 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:33:04pm

re: #509 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Exactly. That will be the simple solution.

/and I don't think Ayers has some other protage he's been training for the last 28 years. Obama is those bastard's best hope to take over the country. Damn I hate 60's radicals.

You and me both mate!

I can still remember my CO getting covered in red paint as the battalion paraded down George Street Sydney after a tour of 'nam.

The ultimate was having to give a pass on a real honey of mine at university who was STACKED but also a raving leftard. I figured i couldn't bear it long enough for her to grow up and had to give up the comforts of her bed!


Damnit! :)

557 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:33:10pm

re: #554 Sharmuta

I sure hope I get to buy you an adult beverage of your choice one day.
I appreciate your optimism!

558 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:33:22pm

I think Obama consider everything a national security issue: education, building codes, healthcare, etc. His line of thinking is to deputize this civilian "army" with federal powers to enforce an Obamic ideology for the goal of a new communist America.

Imagine, thousand of civilian "soldiers" in our states enforcing the edicts of Barack Obama.

/More or less.

559 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:33:44pm

re: #492 jcm

I've had my WA CPL since '80 or so, I just renew and go about my business.

Just renewed mine last month....

560 J.S.  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:33:52pm

re: #482 erisldysnomia

That's an excellent question. I don't think even Obama knows the answer...(iirc, the notion about a civilian force was formulated during the Dear Leader's "I wanna emulate or be seen to emulate -- Kennedy -- yeah, that's the ticket!" So Dear Leader, Hussein, decided (in the public's interest, of course) that mandatory "volunteerism" is a good thing (yeah, like that Peace Corps thingy JFK did...) only this one will be domestic...and then, and then, to make sure EVERYONE will just LUV the U.S. of KKK A -- Hussein will also need to END Third World Poverty -- and that'll come about through a massive transfer of Wealth from the U.S. of KKKA to the impoverished nations of the world...like, like China!...now, that's called justice, Obama-style.

561 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:34:32pm

re: #529 Spiny Norman

I suspect he doesn't really have a good idea what he would do with such a thing. It just sounds "ennobling" and "hopey changey".

Maybe, but I suggest we take these things seriously and not assume Obama is just some dumb klutz with a silly idea. People have made the mistake of assuming "Well, he's not serious" in the past, only to find out later that they should have taken what was said seriously. I think we should take this dead seriously. It's not funny having a Commander and Chief make such a ludicrous proposal.

562 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:34:52pm

re: #534 Dark_Falcon

Can this be proven? If it could, it would be the knock out blow to Obama.

Except the MSM would never report it.

563 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:35:34pm

re: #554 Sharmuta

HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.

Your mouth to G-d's ears

Ribbono shel Olam!

564 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:36:04pm

re: #554 Sharmuta

HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.

No he's not.

But the deep infection of socialism that brought him this far remains.

565 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:36:05pm

re: #561 Archimedes

Maybe, but I suggest we take these things seriously and not assume Obama is just some dumb klutz with a silly idea. People have made the mistake of assuming "Well, he's not serious" in the past, only to find out later that they should have taken what was said seriously. I think we should take this dead seriously. It's not funny having a Commander and Chief make such a ludicrous proposal.

Obama is not a dumb Klutz.

He's someonw who rose through Chicago politics with little visible detritus in his trail.

That alone is of great concern.

566 Dasher  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:36:10pm

re: #511 erisldysnomia

I repeat, WHY did 0 say we need a "civilian securtiy force?"

Some people for some odd reason may not like socialism being imposed on them.

//sarc -- but not really

567 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:36:51pm

SHOCKER: Team Hillary believes McCain will win New Hampshire, Iowa, and MAINE

Millions of PUMAs have our and America's back.

568 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:36:55pm

re: #554 Sharmuta

HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.

Not only will Obama lose, Senator McCain will win not only the electoral college but the popular vote as well. And by a healthy margin-not quite a landslide though. ;-)>

569 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:36:55pm
570 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:37:02pm

re: #532 eastvillageinfidel


Note that I did say that's the best case scenario. I wasn't being entirely humorous. This makes me very uneasy. (possible humiliation of KosKids is the only real bright spot :) )

I fear the weirdos as well. I have actively changed my route home from political functions on more than one occasion to avoid being followed.

However, I can be scarier than them. I'm also smarter, as I'm sure my fellow Lizards are as well. It's really not that bad.

I plan on voting as soon as the polls open, then hunkering down for the next couple days to wait out whatever might happen.

However, the great thing about the brainwashed masses in this country is that, while they are sometimes violent, they are also lazy as all getout. And the laziness usually wins. Rioting just isn't their thing.

571 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:37:04pm

re: #559 psyop

Just renewed mine last month....

Good to '11, just did mine.

572 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:37:04pm

re: #521 Sharmuta

I agree wholeheartedly that we oughtn't create too much hype about the idea of a police state under an Obama administration. I can only speak for myself, but in an echo chamber such as LGF, I think we're destined to develop a little bit of ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome). Concentrate on his nutty tax and foreign policies. Oh, and will someone please nail Biden to the wall for proposing to split Iraq into three factions? That may have been the worst U.S. policy idea articulated since Jimmy Carter was in office.

I wouldn't put too much faith in the ability of the people to make wise (from my perspective) decisions in Senatorial elections. Perhaps I'm jaded because of my location, but when I walk down a street in Boston, I see far too many Che Guevara and 'Fuck America' shirts to hold any belief that the people of America care about America anymore. This is the danger of amorphous world citizenship. People need an identity to associate themselves with, and when that identity isn't strong enough (European Union!) then they'll seek out another identity. In Europe, it would appear to be radical Islam. I fear that the United States will succumb to an identity crisis of our own unless we can invigorate the youth of the nation to appreciate their own country.

The best way to start is in the classrooms. I truly believe that a fair and balanced history curriculum will come out in favor of past U.S. policy, because the fact of the matter is that it worked. The so-called 'far right' needs to realize that the battle to allow creationism in schools has effectively been lost and probably wasn't worth fighting in the first class. We need to throw textbook authors like Ward Churchill out of taxpayer funded schools.

Note that I don't suggest a biased conservative history curriculum. I do, however, believe that fair and balanced history will bear out and support the idea that the basic tenets of political conservatism are effective building blocks for a functioning society.

573 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:37:16pm

Note to the one;

Keep the change.

574 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:37:34pm

re: #558 Gus 802

I think Obama consider everything a national security issue: education, building codes, healthcare, etc. His line of thinking is to deputize this civilian "army" with federal powers to enforce an Obamic ideology for the goal of a new communist America.

Imagine, thousand of civilian "soldiers" in our states enforcing the edicts of Barack Obama.

/More or less.

I wish there were governors/state legislatures with the balls to tell the fed to get bent when they exceed Article I sect 8 limitations

575 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:38:04pm

Listen, everyone, on this topic it might be healthy to make sure this gets discussed on Rush, Hannity, etc. tomorrow, if ya know what I mean...

576 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:39:26pm

re: #549 NoSpam

But the problem is that these people are already so out of touch with reality to begin with and they're getting worse. A Dohrn? No, that wouldn't fly. But it doesn't take a Dohrn to completely screw things up for everybody. Most all of the dem's choices are wonky these days--Remember it's the Clinton appointees that are screwing with all the voter fraud lawsuits going on.

Or an H. Lee Sarokin.

577 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:39:40pm

re: #572 ClosetConservative

I agree wholeheartedly that we oughtn't create too much hype about the idea of a police state under an Obama administration.

I disagree. I think it's important this issue get aired, immediately.

This is NOT an issue on which we wish to have ANY regrets WHATSOEVER for minimizing.

578 de La Valette  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:40:06pm

re: #472 OldLineTexan

OK, make new ones. With the kind of budget he's talking about I'm sure you would get a lot of bidders. Hell, you could spin it as a domestic manufacturing jobs program.

579 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:40:28pm

re: #567 Sharmuta

SHOCKER: Team Hillary believes McCain will win New Hampshire, Iowa, and MAINE

Millions of PUMAs have our and America's back.

see the ad linked on their site?

580 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:40:29pm

re: #545 Griffon


Hi there! This is a tangent, but does anyone else around here get the FactCheck.org emails? Has anyone else noticed that they seem to be mainly correcting the things against Obama, and not anything against McCain?

I got an email from someone accusing snopes of doing the same thing - being pro-Obama. The email was circulating in an attempt to warn people about the site being very liberal and not to believe everything it debunks about Obama.

Factcheck.org being in the tank for Obama was discussed extensively over at Nationalreview.com a couple of weeks ago. Supposedly they are owned/operated by Obama supporters and have lost the impartiality they had during the 2004 elections. Check the blogs at NRO, especially "the corner", "the campaignspot", and "mediablog" for details. I suffer from CRS so don't remember details.

581 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:40:58pm

# 572 Closet Conservative -

it disturbs me that you claim to be 15 years old. I don't know why, but it does. Would you please set the record straight ? Thanks.

582 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:41:41pm

re: #564 jcm

No he's not.

But the deep infection of socialism that brought him this far remains.

We'll deal with that next- after election day.

583 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:41:49pm

re: #577 erisldysnomia

I disagree. I think it's important this issue get aired, immediately.

This is NOT an issue on which we wish to have ANY regrets WHATSOEVER for minimizing.

Note that I said, aired. Discussed.

Novel ideas like this coming from friends of people like Ayres, Khalidi, etc. suggest a real topic of concern. That's not paranoia.

584 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:42:09pm

re: #554 Sharmuta

HE'S NOT GOING TO WIN.

I for one am looking forward to waking up on November 5th and listening to the MSM screaming that the whole country is RACIST!

585 Gus 802  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:43:38pm

I give up. The wheel keeps spinning even with the icons off.

586 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:43:45pm

re: #584 CIA Reject

I for one am looking forward to waking up on November 5th and listening to the MSM screaming that the whole country is RACIST!

I'm not a RAC-IST I'm a LEFT-ICIST.

587 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:43:50pm

re: #575 erisldysnomia

Listen, everyone, on this topic it might be healthy to make sure this gets discussed on Rush, Hannity, etc. tomorrow, if ya know what I mean...

This is the first time it's been so front and center, so I believe it will happen.

588 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:44:56pm

re: #548 razorbacker

I likes the way you think.

And you're right. One man against the State is a soon-to-be-deceased man.

'Tis better to live to fight another day.

Sooner of later it will be 'your day to die' but there's no sense rushing it. But sometimes you do have to stand and fight where you are.

Just remember that there are many ways to fight.

Cowering a leftard public official in a community has a specific effect. Especially when his family are also in the frame!

Make it impossible to govern through a million tiny invisible acts of defiance until the whole socialist edifice comes crumbling down.

589 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:45:04pm

re: #533 Aussie Infidel


Hi Oz.

Yup, we are only a few days away from a, hopefully, change of Govt. I do not think Aunty Helen is going to win any friends, nor new voters, with her current strategy of trying to dig the dirt on JK. No problem with Don B at the last, he was a liar and had the same zipper problem as Teflon Billy.

I have firearms licence and would like to acquire another long of a 308 vareity but I have to look at budget. Hunting game in NZ is a tradition and part of the culture. It would be brave Govt who tries it. IF, and I repeat IF, Aunty H gets back in, I believe she will try it.

590 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:47:07pm

New ad on the messiah:

Would you let a surgeon operate on you who has never operated on anyone before?

[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

591 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:48:24pm

re: #508 Spellcheck

saw that!

592 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:49:41pm

re: #582 Sharmuta

We'll deal with that next- after election day.

It's been 40 years in the making, it'll take awhile. But in the end....
Liberty wins.

593 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:50:26pm

The half white, half black, who chose to be black commie, wanna be commie in chief and this will be a federally funded and armed Black Panther Party and Black Liberation Army to watch over us and confiscate from us to give to them.

See?

594 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:50:35pm

re: #590 El Lizardo mejicano

New ad on the messiah:

Would you let a surgeon operate on you who has never operated on anyone before? believes we need a civilian security force patrolling the hospital?

Fixed that for ya.

595 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:52:48pm
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday.

Why the fuck not?

596 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:52:51pm

re: #589 A Kiwi Infidel

I'm currently in New Zealand. Voting tactically in the Epsom electorate. BOTH electorate vote AND the Party vote to ACT. Hopefully Hide will bring in two others on his proportional party vote coat tails, get a cabinet seat in a John Key administration and hold the balance of power! :)


Well that's the plan.

I've been giving Mapp a hard time lately because he'd going to be the nxt Minister of Defence in all likelihood. We go way back to a time when he was a VERY wet behind the ears Assault pioneer platoon Commander! He's going to be a weak Minister i think. I've been trying to put some lead into his pencil with a few suggestions. Getting fed defence wish lists and suggestions from Def HQ personnel who must stay aloof from the electoral hurly berly and whispering in Wayne's ear!

597 CheDub  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:53:15pm

The obvious joke (or scary truth) here is that he plans to come up with the funds by cutting the military's budget and divert the money to the Chavistas Obamavistas Civilian Defense Force. But seriously, considering that such so much of the DOD's budget goes into R&D, Procurement, and operations and sustainment, I can't possibly figure out how he can justify such an expedniture. And what are they going to do? Seriously? Help keep out the illegal immigrants? For some reason, I think not.

598 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:53:23pm

re: #595 erisldysnomia

Why the fuck not?

Indeed.

599 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:55:00pm

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS

Pull out of Iraq ?!?!
Perhaps instead the U.S. should pull out of Chicago.
Body count in the last six months: 292 killed (murdered) in Chicago
Body count in the last six months: 221 killed in Iraq
Chicago.... Who Runs it:
Senators: Barack Obama & Dick Durbin (Democrats)
Rep: Jesse Jackson Jr. (Democrat)
Illinois Gov: Rod Blogojevich (Democrat)
Illinois House leader Mike Madigan (Democrat)
Illinois Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan (daughter of Mike)...you guessed it...Democrat
Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley (son of Mayor Richard J. Daley), Democrat
.....our leadership in Illinois .....all Democrats.
Thank you for the combat zone in Chicago
Of course, they're all blaming each other!

But, they can't blame Republicans; they're aren't any!
More facts...State pension fund $44 Billion in debt, worst in country.
Cook County ( Chicago ) sales tax 10.25% highest in country. (Look 'em up if you want).
Chicago school system rated one of the worst in the country (doesn't apply to the suburb I live in where Republicans rule)
This is the political culture that Obama comes from in Illinois .
And he's gonna 'fix' Washington politics for us and get the Iraq situation resolved?
Give me a break!

600 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:55:17pm

For one, we need to dust off the freedom literature that led to the founding of this country--update it, modernize it, and distribute it liberally.

I'm just sayin'

601 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:55:56pm

re: #540 Sharmuta

I find this one more interesting.

Let's hope they're correct on all counts. They're good allies!

602 Indypendent  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:56:06pm

re: #214 willowone

and; It appears the Senate version is being pushed not only by Biden and Obama, a member of the committee, but Lugar, the ranking Republican member. Lugar has worked with Obama in the past to promote more foreign aid for Russia, supposedly to stem nuclear proliferation, and has become Obama's mentor.

60 Minutes did a piece (I know, I know...but, it is a decient explaination of the credit problems) on the 'Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000', AKA 'Credit default swaps'...Anyway, our favorite RINO, Lugar was a ring leader on the R side of the "bipartisan" ledger.

Info? from a post there:
"The "Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000" (H.R. 5660) was introduced in the House on Dec. 14, 2000 by Rep. Ewing (R-IL) and cosponsored by Rep. Bliley, Jr. (R-VA) Combest (R-TX) LaFalce (D-NY) Leach (R-IA) and never debated in the House.
The companion bill (S.3283) was introduced in the Senate on Dec. 15th, 2000 (The last day before Christmas holiday) by Sen. Lugar (R-IN) and cosponsored by Fitzgerald (R-IL) Gramm (R-TX) Hagel (R-NE) Harkin (D-IA) Johnson (D-SD) and never debated in the Senate.
The bill by-passed the substantive policy committees in both the House and the Senate so that there were neither hearings nor opportunities for recorded committee votes. In substance, it appears that the leadership of the Republican-controlled Senate and House incorporated the deregulation of credit default swaps into an omnibus budget bill (without hearings or recorded votes)..."

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Gotta love hate it when someone supposidly from 'our side' is helping Chairman MaoBama, and helped to sink the ship of State ;(

Lugar has got to go next time he's up for relection...Too old, and has forgotten where he came from, and why he's 'there'...

603 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:56:09pm

re: #599 mama winger

oops - that was a post someone put up over at the DNC blog.

604 FightingBack  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:56:37pm

re: #597 CheDub

Help keep (taxpaying) illegal emigrants in.

605 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:57:12pm

re: #595 erisldysnomia

Why the fuck not?

The military believes in duty they swore an oath, they will uphold that oath, death before dishonor. The military will not bend to The One's will.

606 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:57:13pm

re: #583 erisldysnomia

I agree entirely. However, I don't think that it's the best way to get voters. People don't want to have to look up Khalidi, Ayers, etc. The fact of the matter is that there are a lot of complete political neophytes who vote on a face and a slogan. While concerns about Obama's associates are completely necessary and appropriate, I doubt whether we can win on election day just by pushing Ayers, Khalidi, and the others.

607 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:57:39pm

re: #599 mama winger

I've heard this before and I oppose it. Chicago, like Iraq can be reformed. Please don't give on a city I still love.

608 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:58:01pm

re: #551 spidly

about 2 years ago we had an aggressive panhandler start beating on a guy who wouldn't give him money. victim responded with his .357. we do not have an aggressive panhandling problem in portland

Think how much less violent our society would be if concealed carry (given proper qualifications) were the rule in every state. In the meantime, we here in Obama land still have the right to defend our homes. Ours is guarded by the firm of Smith and Wesson.

609 RJ77  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:58:54pm

Google "Bolivarian Circles" and "Venezuela" and you'll get an idea of what Barack Hussein Obama has in mind with this "civilian national force" ...

610 Pepper  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:59:06pm

re: #116 alien_mind

The civilian security force can be constructed to be:

- Defined outside of the legal constricts of current law enforcement limits.
- Provided access to both intelligence and personal information without restriction.
- Be moved across state lines as a Federal oversight entity.
- Control and assist the troubled zones in providing aid and maintaining order local law enforcement breaks down.
- Perform paramilitary operations other than war.
- Gain, or remove the hearts and minds of the people.
- Propaganda and peace projection.
- More important try diminish the states inability to maintain order in the fictitious boundaries.
- Allow the excutive to ensure order and calm through the cabinet member to be appointed.

The pesky need to ask the states for use of the National Guard causes urban disasters to fester longer than needed.

Kristallnacht is near

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Benjamin Franklin

611 Dasher  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:59:15pm

Ok The Obama National Security Force (ONSF) -- will be a force of good.

They will each have a device to measure CO2 emissions from every home in the country. You will be assessed individual carbon taxes, No longer the war on poverty, or the war on drugs, this will be the war on "creature comforts."

//sarc -- but not really.

612 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:01:21pm

re: #579 spidly

SHOCKER: Team Hillary believes McCain will win New Hampshire, Iowa, and MAINE
[[Link: hillbuzz.wordpress.com...]

Go read this folks! There has been too much negativity here tonight, if a newbie may be so bold. It is easy to get depressed thinking about the possibility of a police state, but don't let such fear sink in.
On that, I'm with that guy in the closet [in a manner of speaking]
(fifteen?)

613 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:02:18pm

The Ones' epic is playing on the West Coast now.

614 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:02:25pm

re: #606 ClosetConservative

I agree entirely. However, I don't think that it's the best way to get voters. .

Of course. I was just stating the obvious to us.

615 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:03:04pm

re: #607 Dark_Falcon

Chicago, like Iraq can be reformed.

I hear Biden wants to divide Chicago into three territories.

616 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:03:29pm

My heart goes out to anyone here on a dial up connection.

617 SecondComing  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:05:34pm

re: #156 ciaospirit

I'll tell you what we have to look forward to. As many of you know, my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled a week or so ago. I left the mangled sign laying right there in the yard so passersby could see how well behaved some of the Obamabots are. No freedom of speech for you, McCain supporter! Well, the Obamabots didn't like that apparently because last night Obamabots tore the sign in half, further mangled it, and tossed it into another part of the yard. Additionally, someone (can't confirm it's the same Obamabot/s but it sure seems suspicious) stole the registration sticker off my son's car, broke into the car, and stole the CD player/radio and CDs.

Shame on me for expressing my right to free speech by having a McCain sign in my yard.

I saw a huge McCain Palin sign near my parents house that was vandalized with graffiti. One side had a swastika and the other side had McCain covered up with Dumb and Palin covered up with Dumber. Stay classy Obamatrons. This is what happens when the Kos kids take over the party and their presidential candidate tells supporters to get in their faces!

618 Tupac23X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:06:47pm

re: #33 The Archivist

Going way back...

Clearly because he knows we would otherwise rise up against him eventually.

rimshot

If they come after the guns, (as a notable example) watch the f*** out. How many people would that push over the edge regarding the direction of this country and the hijacking of the Federal government by hard-core leftists? 1000? 50,000? A million? 10 million? WTF are you gonna do with those 50,000? (and I don't think it would be close to that few)

My guess is that we are going to the William C. Ayers Institute For Human Interaction, Introspection (and Liquidation)

619 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:06:55pm

re: #363 tracon

this was suggested by Thomas Barnett awhile ago
check out his presentation to get a better idea of what this would mean.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Not sure if this is what he means by this.

Oh and Posse Comitatus was violated by Bush a few years ago there is an army unit trained just for crowd control here in the US. 3rd Infantry Division is under control of NorthCom and is being trained for action here in the US mostly crowd control stuff from what i have heard

I don't agree or disagree just wanted to put out some info.

That's patently dishonest.

620 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:07:19pm

re: #615 solomonpanting

I hear Biden wants to divide Chicago into three territories.

That would not work. Johnny Torrio tried dividing the city among the bootlegging gangs in the 1920's. His scheme, though well crafted, ultimately failed and he was shot for his troubles by George "Bugs" Moran and Earl "Hymie" Weiss in 1925 (though he survived his wounds). If a genius like Torrio could not successfully divide Chicago, a dud like Biden would have no chance.

621 jdun  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:07:20pm

This is nothing more then what happen in NAZI Germany. His own private army of thugs, i.e SS. Don't let this happen to our nation.

622 warlock  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:07:31pm

This might be his way of regulating firearms ownership. You aren' t in the militia, NO GUNS FOR YOU!

623 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:07:32pm

I'll leave you all with this thought.

Good night all!

624 see bs  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:07:42pm

The road to a police state starts with a "national security force", but hey who said NObama's supporters were the sharpest tools in the shed.

625 J.D.  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:09:59pm

re: #616 lummox

My heart goes out to anyone here on a dial up connection.

You can say that again! What's up?

626 ContraJihadi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:10:07pm

And these jungen will all be marching to das Horst Wessel Lied and stomping to the tune of Fairness Doctrine.

If the majority of voters haven't figured out by now that Obama is a totalitarian abudding, then God help our Republic as it careens towards its demise.

627 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:10:26pm

Can some one say Gestapo? I never thought I would see this day.


And NO doubt ..... hes comming for US .

628 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:11:07pm

i believe i will sleep well for my nap now thanks

re: #623 CIA Reject

I'll leave you all with this thought.

Good night all!

629 wright1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:12:06pm

The civilian defense force will be there to protect me, your leader, in case the military loses faith in me as commander-and-chief.

630 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:12:25pm

re: #623 CIA Reject

I'll leave you all with this thought.

Good night all!

Good night and thank you!

631 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:12:28pm

No doubt!
re: #627 Bos2112

Can some one say Gestapo? I never thought I would see this day.


And NO doubt ..... hes comming for US .

632 troyriser  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:13:40pm

Looks as if everyone else has pretty much the same idea about a multi-billion dollar 'civilian defense force': Truth Squad writ large.

633 abolitionist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:14:54pm

re: #632 troyriser

Looks as if everyone else has pretty much the same idea about a multi-billion dollar 'civilian defense force': Truth Squad writ large.

That's a very concise summary.

634 J.D.  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:15:12pm

re: #623 CIA Reject

I'll leave you all with this thought.

Good night all!

I went to bed on election night 2000 thinking Gore had won.
I was wrong.
:D

635 krycek  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:15:51pm

Just in time for Halloween, we get something really spooky. Obama's national security force. A perfect vehicle to do two things inform on the citizenry and weaken our force projection overseas by diverting resources.

636 skywarner  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:15:58pm

re: #72 Spellcheck

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.

Dennis Miller isn't alone. Every time BHO talks, it sounds more and more like the script of the mini-series "V".

WTF is a "National Security Force?" And, the alleged "One" wants to fund it on a level on par - with the US Armed Forces - during a time of war. Again, WTF?!?! I know BHO is far from a military genius, but even my 8 year old knows that we already have a national security force -- it's called the National Guard.

637 seagreenroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:16:25pm

We're in a civil war now... the shooting just hasn't started yet. I actually welcome it and it's long past overdue. About 50% of this country is going to have to leave.

638 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:16:50pm

re: #633 abolitionist

That's a very concise summary.


Talk about a gaffe and October "surprise."

I'm hoping this hits the McCain/Palin statements, and the airwaves, tomorrow.

Being one person and a slow typist, I've done what I can to make it so.

Can anyone else provide additional help?

:-)

639 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:18:30pm

re: #636 skywarner

Dennis Miller isn't alone. Every time BHO talks, it sounds more and more like the script of the mini-series "V".

WTF is a "National Security Force?" And, the alleged "One" wants to fund it on a level on par - with the US Armed Forces - during a time of war. Again, WTF?!?! I know BHO is far from a military genius, but even my 8 year old knows that we already have a national security force -- it's called the National Guard.

Indeed.

I see this as a supreme gaffe - sort of a Joe the Plumber gaffe to the hundredth power. Hopefully his last.

640 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:19:23pm

re: #616 lummox

My heart goes out to anyone here on a dial up connection.

Dude!

641 AeroSquid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:21:54pm

If anyone wants Civilian National Service Forces gear....go here

AEROSQUID GRAPHICS

642 bcgirl  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:22:08pm

re: #639 ErislDysnomia

Indeed.

I see this as a supreme gaffe - sort of a Joe the Plumber gaffe to the hundredth power. Hopefully his last.


no the gaffs must continue for the next 6 days getting worse(better) each time untill one of them, either obiden or obamma does something really grand, let them beat themselves

643 SATerp  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:23:00pm

He talked about that, about a year ago - so obviously he's serious about it. No doubt they'll wear brown shirts...

644 voirdire  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:23:20pm

National socialism. First, the "coalition of power" i.e. executive and legislative, then the courts.

645 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:26:04pm

re: #570 NoSpam

I'm actually not that scared of garden variety angry liberals. Here in my neck of the woods, I've had plenty of heated arguments with hysterical nitwits who leap to their feet shouting and pointing angrily only to meekly sit right back down the minute I stand up. What does make me profoundly uneasy is the idea of Obama, given the types of violent, committed and unrepentant psychos he surrounds himself with, choosing and funding a private army. And that none of his hypnotized minion recognize it for what it is. Whether or not he can pull it off remains to be seen, but that he wants it and his followers don't have a problem with it is scary.

646 ContraJihadi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:26:16pm

There once was a republic called Texas
That joined th' American nexus,
But that web's been roped in
By a socialist grin,
So freedom again calls on Texas.

647 dmjung  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:27:34pm

Will the CNSF have a catchy slogan like "Arbeit macht frei"?

648 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:28:21pm

re: #647 dmjung

Will the CNSF have a catchy slogan like "Arbeit macht frei"?

Only in the Southwest at the end of a rail spur.

649 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:28:45pm

re: #643 SATerp

He talked about that, about a year ago - so obviously he's serious about it. No doubt they'll wear brown shirts...

Can someone artistic sketch "Obama's Finest" as they might appear, and pass along to the blogs?

650 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:29:41pm

re: #637 seagreenroom

We're in a civil war now... the shooting just hasn't started yet. I actually welcome it and it's long past overdue. About 50% of this country is going to have to leave.


Leave? Where?
How do you propose to see that through?

651 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:29:50pm

re: #645 eastvillageinfidel

but that he wants it and his followers don't have a problem with it is scary.

That remains to be seen.

There's a limit to just how much creepiness most people will endure, and he's really pushing the limit here.

652 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:30:18pm

re: #643 SATerp

He talked about that, about a year ago - so obviously he's serious about it. No doubt they'll wear brown shirts...

July 2, Colorado Springs, CO.
A speech which never appeared on his web site.

I've been harping on this subject since that speech.

653 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:30:29pm

Gotta sleep.

Gonna have bad dreams tonight for sure.

Dang!

654 rabidfox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:31:27pm

Remember, his father (whom he claims to admire) believed in 100% taxation with the govt giving its citizens what they 'need.'

655 ErislDysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:32:53pm

re: #650 solomonpanting

We're in a civil war now... the shooting just hasn't started yet. I actually welcome it and it's long past overdue. About 50% of this country is going to have to leave.


Leave? Where?
How do you propose to see that through?

Not possible to get rid of all leftists. Just as not possible to remove all tumor cells.

We need to find an "antidote-ideology" to leftism - an ideology to replace leftism that can be made to appeal to leftists - and spread that. I don't know what that is, but it's an idea.

656 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:34:29pm

re: #310 pre-Boomer Marine brat

At 16: in this youtubeYour text to link...

657 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:34:35pm

Difference between fascism and socialism?
re: #636 skywarner

Dennis Miller isn't alone. Every time BHO talks, it sounds more and more like the script of the mini-series "V".

WTF is a "National Security Force?" And, the alleged "One" wants to fund it on a level on par - with the US Armed Forces - during a time of war. Again, WTF?!?! I know BHO is far from a military genius, but even my 8 year old knows that we already have a national security force -- it's called the National Guard.

Or the movie V for Vendetta.

The idea is beyond insane. It is truly senseless.

Take this seriously, folx. Our freedoms aren't a laughing matter. Look at your life and those you love just to get a grip on what this could mean. I mean, I don't what it means, but I can't think of any thing positive about the idea.

Btw, I've never believed the notion that leftists are against military force. They never had a problem with the Soviets wielding it brutally against innocent people. They are just against military force being used in the cause of freedom. They spew venom galore at American military forces, which have always worked noble causes.

658 Syrah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:35:41pm

If anyone wants to listen to the speech that this thread is based on, I have posted it here often. It is, I think, one of the most revealing speeches that Obama has given. It reveals his worldview in a way that few if any of his other speeches have done.

I strongly urge that every Lizard listen to it not just once, but several times.

Obama declares his intent to ask for our service.

He means it.

To Obama, serving the Community (the government) is an act of piety. It is important to understand that about Obama.

659 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:37:01pm

re: #655 ErislDysnomia

Not possible to get rid of all leftists. Just as not possible to remove all tumor cells.

We need to find an "antidote-ideology" to leftism - an ideology to replace leftism that can be made to appeal to leftists - and spread that. I don't know what that is, but it's an idea.

An impartial media would be a good start.

660 Syrah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:38:20pm

re: #643 SATerp

He talked about that, about a year ago - so obviously he's serious about it. No doubt they'll wear brown shirts...

Blue shirts. Not Brown.

661 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:39:38pm

re: #651 ErislDysnomia

True enough, which is why I was surprised he brought it up. His handlers didn't dilute the Kool-Aid enough, apparently.

662 Clemente  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:40:57pm

Nothing organizes the community like a well-funded fascist goon-squad, armed with m1 tanks, f-35s, nuclear submarines, and ICBMs.

663 Bear  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:47:25pm

This idea of a Civilian National Security Force scares the P**s out of me. It sounds as if it would soon turn into the SS of the 1039s.

664 Bear  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:47:58pm

Woops! 1930s

665 ContraJihadi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:52:51pm

re: #650 solomonpanting

We're in a civil war now... the shooting just hasn't started yet. I actually welcome it and it's long past overdue. About 50% of this country is going to have to leave.


Leave? Where?
How do you propose to see that through?

My limerick (646) offered a hint, if only a fancy. But looking at a map of how the states' may break in the electoral college this year, I'd say that any possible secession would have to center in Texas, spread north to Oklahoma, maybe above; and east to the first seven states of the old Confederacy.

The realities of world economics make this unlikely, no matter how odiously Obama in the Secretariat and Pelosi/Reed in the Politburo may want to legislate the arrival of Soviet man; and the jackels that lead the packs of Russia, China, the jihadi states, the Aztlandis, et. al. would be waiting to rend the corpse.

Some people, however, may be asking themselves: why, if we stand on the brink of destruction, shouldn't we take the risk, to try, at least, to preserve a remnant of a free republic? I in my senectitude do spin the fancy, but it will be younger people--say, disgruntled veterans of our war to liberate Iraq, subverted by a President who is no Commander in Chief--who will decide.

666 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:53:13pm

Just read the link about Americorps, founded by Michelle. How convenient, how Haliburton of him.

667 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:54:26pm

re: #646 ContraJihadi

There once was a republic called Texas
That joined th' American nexus,
But that web's been roped in
By a socialist grin,
So freedom again calls on Texas.

The Keystone State of P A
Loves liberty still to this day
The Red T of the state
guard Liberty's gate
and no Socialist will take it away.

668 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:54:53pm

re: #625 J.D.

You can say that again! What's up?

I pay through the nose for high speed internet, and it's still like wading through molasses

669 jptmd  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:56:35pm

"Those who do not remember the past......" Are we watching the rise of a cult leader? Is he already giving us his version of the SA? This is beyond scary stuff people. I wonder if "Joe the plumber" was the first to experience this new state sponsored thought police.

670 gm096510  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:57:02pm

re: #49 psyop

Will they wear brown shirts?

...just asking.

Beat me to it, yeah Brownshirts, federal police, increased loss of local control.

Does anyone know if Ayres has this in one of his "how to take over" books?

-GM

671 SaracensAtTheGates  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:57:22pm

The National Guard is already in place. Some states even have "state defense forces" (SDFs) that cannot be called into federal service like the National Guard so they remain under state control (32 U.S.C. § 109 ). If he is talking about providing funding for the existing SDFs, that might be OK but it would be a sort of block grant program for defense. States may not engage in acts of war except in case of actual invasion (. If Islamic jihadists are correctly treated as foreign military belligerents who have "invaded" the United States instead of being domestic law enforcement problems, a beefed up SDF system might just be the right ticket. If such was the case, we wouldn't have to worry about habeas corpus, search warrants, Miranda, etc. Instead, we would be talking about the Law of War and Geneva Conventions.

672 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:57:31pm

Where was I?

673 republic  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:58:12pm

This all ties together now, with what the former FBI agent who was in the Weather Underground with William Ayers, when Ayers said that up to as many as 25 million Americans would need to be eliminated because they wouldn't go through the "re-education."

I am thankful that over half of ALL U.S. households have firearms in them, and that the number of law abiding hard working American firearms owners exceeds 100 million, and that the Supreme Court is at least still a majority for firearms owners Constitutional rights.

It's great, also, that Americans, by the millions, are taking firearms defense training courses.

Obama may want a civilian defense corp, to try and acheive his, and William Ayers "dream" of a "re-educated" America.

674 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:58:23pm

Oh yeah, kids do their kommunity service in of all places, Kenya and Indonesia. They mention after school programs here in New Orleans. Good luck with that big O. There has been dozens of programs and none of them do shit. Kids don't care about anything educational so he will have to be a dictator to make "change" happen.

THis guy not only scares me, he really pisses me off. His wife's foundation should be as well funded as the military. God help us! He said he wanted to make government cool again. Right. He said also in that debate that all these jobs he plans to create with his trillion dollar spending, are government jobs,

675 jamsler  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 8:58:36pm

God save us.

676 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:00:56pm

Has anyone read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich? Ayers, Wright, Farakhan, and rest are sounding alot like the group that that surrounded the Fuhrer.

677 GalloPinto  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:07:40pm

Fidel already had that idea
Territorial Troop Militia (MTT)

678 ContraJihadi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:10:31pm

'Twas Quakers who founded PA:
Oddlings then and odd today.
They tended their farms
But forsaked to bear arms.
No moochers, but will the stand brave?

679 Miss Molly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:12:08pm

To Bos2112 -- yes I have read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and I wish more Americans had read this book. An internal military police force is a really scarey idea as just what would be their missiion? Would such a group have authority over local and State police. Would this agency surplant the FBI. Just who would control this group? We have never needed an internal national military type police force before so why does The Obama think we all of a sudden need one now?

680 hermit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:13:23pm

I've had this brewing in my head too long...someday in the future...a letter:

My Dearest Johnny,
I hope your foster parents let you read this. Your father and I love you and miss you every day. You are old enough now to know what really happened.
When you were seven years old, the school psychiatrist diagnosed you with ADHD and recommended that you be placed in a "special needs" class. I wanted to argue, but thought they knew best how to get you the education you needed.

When the Federal Health Care worker assigned to your school insisted you be place on medication, I did argue, with all my heart. Your father spoke to the principal and the district superintendent, but they insisted. In fact, we were told if we continued to fight, we would be charged with child abuse.

You were almost nine when your father and I decided on home schooling. Although my college degree was in Industrial Engineering and your father's in Accounting, I was confident in our ability, with the support of homeschooling resources across the country, to find the right curricula and offer you the best education. That was just before our state required certification for homeschooling parents. I was told you would be considered truant until my certification was complete. Given the refresher courses and tests required, the best I could hope for was to bring you back home the following school year.

The government takeover of the banks caused your father's job to be "downsized" and I could no longer afford to go to school. We both had to work to support the family. With the increased taxes on businesses, it was difficult to find work that matched our educations, so we took what we could find.

We received a letter from the Federal Health Care Worker at your school that your home situation did not offer you enough supervision since your father and I were working opposite shifts. Two days later, the Civilian Security Officers came to our home to collect your things. While you were at school, you had been placed in a "Ward of the Government" status and assigned temporary housing.

Continue if you like.....

Oh yeah, this'll NEVER happen.

681 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:13:27pm

re: #662 Clemente

Nothing organizes the community like a well-funded fascist goon-squad, armed with m1 tanks, f-35s, nuclear submarines, and ICBMs.

Well, don't worry too much: all those cool military goodies are headed for the chopping block if Barry wins (as well as the F-22, SDI, new carriers, the lot).

682 cincinnati_kid37  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:13:42pm

Hitler Youth.

683 jdun  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:21:38pm

re: #681 Spiny Norman

Well, don't worry too much: all those cool military goodies are headed for the chopping block if Barry wins (as well as the F-22, SDI, new carriers, the lot).

No it won't go to the chopping block. It would go to his SS thugs.

684 BeckoningChasm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:23:15pm

I apologize if this has already been said, but LGF is crawlling so slowly that I haven't read all the comments. (Also, I didn't watch the Obamarathon tonight.)

1. If he slashes the current military budget to, say, ten thousand dollars, it'll be easy for him to fund another quasi-military force for an equal (or greater) amount.

2. I have a feeling this "Civilian National Security Force" will be like the roaming bands that Noriega had in Nicaragua, or Mugabe has in Zimbabwe, or perhaps like the "religious police" in Iran or Saudi Arabia. The "religion" in this case will be Obamania. They'll be there to make sure no one steps out of line with any notion of this "freedom" jazz.

Whatever it is, it sounds ominously like a police force answerable only to him.

685 ContraJihadi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:23:42pm

re: #678 ContraJihadi

'Twas Quakers who founded PA:
Oddlings then and odd today.
They tended their farms
But forsaked to bear arms.
No moochers, but will the stand brave?

Bah, this begs for revision

'Twas Quakers who founded P A:
Oddlings they then and oddlings today.
They kept to their farms
But forsaked to bear arms:
No moochers were they, but nor were they brave.

686 Bos2112  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:26:16pm

re: #679 Miss Molly

To Bos2112 -- yes I have read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and I wish more Americans had read this book. An internal military police force is a really scarey idea as just what would be their missiion? Would such a group have authority over local and State police. Would this agency surplant the FBI. Just who would control this group? We have never needed an internal national military type police force before so why does The Obama think we all of a sudden need one now?

Molly - ya took the words right out of my mouth..this is eriely familar. Only problem is ..there is no country out there to save US. We will have to do it ourselves. But me thinks the Lizard Nation is up to the task of leading the fight when the time comes.

Ya in guys?

687 wiffersnapper  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:26:40pm

Brown shirts are the new black!

688 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:27:47pm

His own army. How nice.


"As president I will double the military while I withdraw our fine fighting men from harms way"......makes sense.

Please Obama, keep talking. More. We need to learn more.... So we can vote for you. Yeah.

Is anybody listening to this nutcase?

Build schools in Pakistan? So they won't mind when we come into their land and kill those we consider to be criminals?

Build a strong economy by increasing taxes on large corporations

Sat in church for 20 years and never realized Reverend Wright was a racist raving loon?


Hey, why don't we tax imports and leave Americans alone? Like we used to?
Why don't we investigate why the same American medicine is sold in Canada and overseas for much less?
Why don't we decide that cheap fuel is vital to the American economy and do something....increase supplies, or limit local taxation, or tie profit taxes to amount of fuel produced, thus encouraging profit as long as gas is cheap.
We could limit lawsuits and penalties while we're at it. Something high, but not ceiling-less. Maybe decide what would constitute a frivolous lawsuit..just an idea.

I hope for change, but I hope democracy is still the operating system of the country. Obama is a socialist loon. Why can't people see this?

689 ContraJihadi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:33:52pm

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

Why, form a praetorian guard, of course.

690 shane  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:33:54pm

Oh come on Chuck, what is there to figure out? He is a marxist. Find a single marxist who didn't start a national police squad when they got the chance? National Socialist Democratic Party did the same thing and so did all the others after them. Actually, to be fair, Lenin did it before Hitler.

691 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:35:12pm

It's disturbing he put this “civilian national security force” in his infomercial. This will be central to his presidency, but it's shocking how brazen he is about it and how clueless the response of average Americans to what it means, even here on LGF.

This is standard totalitarian socialist practice. It won't be a uniformed Obama Youth and it won't be a plot to take away your guns either. It will be like a federally funded ACORN on steroids. "Mirror organizations" like Sharmuta mentioned sounds closer to the mark to me.

It will be the final phase in the long march through the institutions, a network of community organizers that will insert the Obama machine into every nook and cranny of society.

692 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:38:04pm

re: #471 Who Watches the Watchmen?

250 million citizens or there abouts? How many thugs? How many ex-military? Pi$$ off enough citizens and the thugs don't stand a chance.

693 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:46:31pm

Obama's gonna have his own posse!

694 theblakester  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:48:17pm

This may just be my last post, I'm thinking I should go into hiding and clear the memory from the computer. Charles, you would never hand over a list to the One would you? If this keeps up, I may never want to associate with known LGFers. Maybe we need our own underground. Maybe we can use the Chinese embassy in Canada to keep in touch with the masses. Do they have a Chinese embassy in Canada?

695 6pat6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:51:22pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?

Easy. Do what they are currently doing - print trillions more of worthless bills.

696 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:51:59pm

re: #609 RJ77

Google "Bolivarian Circles" and "Venezuela" and you'll get an idea of what Barack Hussein Obama has in mind with this "civilian national force" ...

I was in La Paz about 7 weeks ago. It was the seventh level of hell!

El Presidente is a criminal thug cocaine producer and laftard. There was real hostility when locals thought I was a yank especially in la Paz and the Alto Plaino. Other places , not so much. LOTS of Che T shirts and communist graffiti everywhere.

Oh yes the the bloody band of el Presidente struck up at 7:15AM on the dot every morning right under my hotel window. All 50 strong drum corps and brass playing that slightly off key South American band music!

Shortly after the American Embassy was asked to depart.


As I said. The seventh level of hell of a country.

697 Idle Drifter  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:54:46pm

If there is one thing I learned from video games 1000 to 1 odds against me is not a problem. Too bad I don't have a reset button and extra lives.

Up, Up, Down, Down, left, right, left, right, B, A, START or SELECT START if you have a partner for Contra.

On the serious side, Considering that a Civilian National Security Force (we can call them all "Charlies") would take time to build, organize command structure and designate officers. Where are the majority of loyal Charlies going to come from in such a short amount of time and be trained for what exactly?

698 DEPORTMAN  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:55:02pm

Are they going to run the "re-education" (in a Bill Ayers sort of way) camps? This is the type of organization used by Mao, Castro, Chavez, etc, for societal control. Intimidation, Threats and Force or the ITF would be my name for these clowns. I wonder when they'll start the gun confiscation, er, re-distribution to the BHO socialist militias?

699 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 9:58:46pm

I wonder if anyone actually read the story that Charles posted? Just curious.

700 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:01:19pm

re: #679 Miss Molly

To Bos2112 -- yes I have read the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich and I wish more Americans had read this book. An internal military police force is a really scarey idea as just what would be their missiion? Would such a group have authority over local and State police. Would this agency surplant the FBI. Just who would control this group? We have never needed an internal national military type police force before so why does The Obama think we all of a sudden need one now?

In New zealand there is already a National Police Force. The lower ranks are OK to about inspector level but the senior commanders are highly politicized and, almost to a man, leftist in outlook. They become mere tools of the government. When you couple them with a court system with few real checks and balances and jobs for life judges all appointed by the State. You have real problems!


Socialist?

Please DON'T even think about going there!

701 Daffy Duck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:01:32pm

re: #698 DEPORTMAN

I don't think it will be outright confiscation at first - just an accelerated program that has succeeded elsewhere, ie., divide-and conquer ("we just want _X_" [assault rifles, then auto pistols, then 'sniper' rifles, etc.] Registration first, for each type of course, then confiscation.

Just don't fall for ANY of it.

702 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:06:25pm

re: #701 Daffy Duck

Yup you have that correct.

There is no need for radical action when the softly softly approach has been proved to work just fine and nobody gets too worked up.

They just lose their freedom one day at a time!


Socialist Salami Tactics 101

703 jainphx  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:08:32pm

His own Pretorian guard, I'm thinking special uniforms for his guard that stands around the throne, you know like the Swiss guard. No more will he need elections, what for he's going to declare himself President for life. The O and Hugo. Then he will Nationalize every thing that resembles a money making operation. My goodness we sure need all our vets now don't we?

704 FortunateSon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:08:39pm

Everyone has to wear a Che shirt and Keffiyeh.

At least the Gestapo had bitchin' uniforms (...and that's the only good thing you can say about them)

705 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:10:52pm

If he wins I'm sure Barack Obama will be the picture of accommodation , let bygone be bygones and let's all join hands together in unity for the greater good!


Unfortunately it's not what this guy says in public that you have to worry about. It what is going on between his (substantial ) ears and between his confidants who will be salivating as they grab the levers of real power .

Expect to see a lot of quiet 'get even action' of the following weeks and months.

706 6pat6  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:11:37pm

"V" for Vendetta comes to mind, at the end of the Dead Thread...

707 Daffy Duck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:12:31pm

re: #702 Aussie Infidel

Yeah, "slow-boiled frog" approach. From what I've read here, you've lived it.

Sad that people can't (or won't) learn from the history of others' experiences: Australia, UK, Canada, Kalifornia, etc.

I watch, and I learn.

708 kafir  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:16:20pm

I hate to ask this, but what color shirts will Mr Obama's security force be wearing?

Here I am, a jew, watching the massive worldwide rise in anti-semitism, and we are about to elect the most socialist candidate we have ever seen. Jews have not done well in socialism. Or communism. Especially when the 'ism' has these strong anti-semitic overtones within it.

Mr Obama seems to attract anti-semites. From people blogging on his site to friends like Rashid Khalidi, Jerimiah Write, Bill Ayers, Malley, Walt and Mearshimer.

Makes me wonder.

709 eric_odessit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:17:17pm

re: #229 right_on_target

You are right, the SS were disliked by the regular army. But SS was not the political army of the Nazis. Those were the SA, the stormtroopers. The SS was a part of SA used originally as Hitler's bodyguards. They were all that left of SA after the "Night of long knives". So, in a way, they were a non-military security organization that was just as strong and as well funded as the military. Exactly what Obama wants to create. Pretty scary, isn't it?
Eric.

710 kelevera  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:19:52pm

re: #25 Shug

It's already started.

Blank eyed children singing about Dear Leader

Overweight inner city kids goose-stepping for Dear Leader

Can't O! just have his Jonestown event already and spare us his misery?

711 kelevera  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:27:11pm

re: #708 kafir

I hate to ask this, but what color shirts will Mr Obama's security force be wearing?

Here I am, a jew, watching the massive worldwide rise in anti-semitism, and we are about to elect the most socialist candidate we have ever seen. Jews have not done well in socialism. Or communism. Especially when the 'ism' has these strong anti-semitic overtones within it.

Mr Obama seems to attract anti-semites. From people blogging on his site to friends like Rashid Khalidi, Jerimiah Write, Bill Ayers, Malley, Walt and Mearshimer.

Makes me wonder.


Certainly begs the question of why the Jewish brothers and sisters cheer this guy. Chained to the plantation.

712 AZDave  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:27:53pm

Hell, while the military is out invading Pakistan, some one has to be guarding the re-education camps and the gulags. In order to recognize fellow LGFers, maybe we all should wear lizard pins (just a thought).

713 kelevera  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:32:44pm

re: #704 FortunateSon

Everyone has to wear a Che shirt and Keffiyeh.

...dashiki and look/think/act like this creepy black nationalist

714 Colonel Panik  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:38:59pm

I predict HomeBoy Nite Sights™ will win a big federal contract.

715 rancher  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:49:09pm

Remember when he says "that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded" that he plans on cutting the military budget by at least 25%. Why two armies? Because the current one is beholden to the Constitution.

716 rancher  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 10:56:45pm

re: #708 kafir

He has Palistinians cold calling random Americans from Gaza. Many American Jews don't give a damn about Israel IMHO. When the new brown shirts begin to knock down doors they may need Israel's help as did the European Jews in the '30s and '40s.

717 RedVoter  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:19:08pm

re: #35 anotherindyfilmguy

What would he plan on doing with a force that large? Rule North America until forcibly removed from power...

i hate to sound like a conspiracy nut, but something does not feel right about this at all. It sounds like his counterbalance to the American Military, which largely made up of religous folk with southern and midwest values of conservatism and patriotism.

something is not right here. maybe it's me, maybe he was just trying to sound hawkish or maybe...we should all cling to our guns.

718 big L  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 11:31:02pm

Like Mein Kampf, Obama is telling us what he is going to do. we needto listen. this guy is going to have roving bands of toughs with armament effing people over.

this is no joke on what color are the shirts.

Over at michelemalkin.com there is a treatise on mass hypnosis. It describves the techniques of a Dr Ericksen M.D.
check it out . Obama has used all these thing to create these numbed robots. You ask them a question and they say no it is not that way. Even if Obama said it two hrs before.

those young toughs in the video are paramilitary and saying the nme of the job they wil have and thanking Obama.It is like he is going to issue fake degrees too.
these kids look like they'd follow orders to break you in half. Or me. What will you do when some come to your door? or my door?
not funny

719 RedVoter  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:12:42am

re: #697 Idle Drifter

If there is one thing I learned from video games 1000 to 1 odds against me is not a problem. Too bad I don't have a reset button and extra lives.

Up, Up, Down, Down, left, right, left, right, B, A, START or SELECT START if you have a partner for Contra.

On the serious side, Considering that a Civilian National Security Force (we can call them all "Charlies") would take time to build, organize command structure and designate officers. Where are the majority of loyal Charlies going to come from in such a short amount of time and be trained for what exactly?

trained for what? that is the question which may have a scary answer.

as for where he will get the officers, there are many in his inner circle who would take up the roles and if your looking for manpower, he need look no further than our universities and inner cities. It'll be like ACORN's paramilitary wing. I say this jokingly...sort of.

and a man who is constrained by term limits (for the time being) can put together a force like this very quickly. Especially if a recession hits and many are looking for new work.

720 exredtory  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 12:41:49am

Much discussion of tailoring and emblems for the Obamacorps.
How about this for a badge: [Link: www.hand-embroidery.co.uk...]

721 useless  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:01:51am

I for one am very happy to hear about The Savior's personal army. As an officer in the US Army, I have been telling people that the next time we deploy to put down a civil insurgency against a government, the natives will be speaking English.

Now, I don't have to worry that it'll be the US Army being deployed to put down a civil insurgency against a government in a country where the natives speak English....

I'm quite relieved.

722 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:16:16am

I assume the DoP (Department of Peace) will be in charge of the CNSF (Civilian National Security Force).

/sarcasm

723 melvin frohike  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 1:54:31am

What's the difference between a Socialist and a Communist?

The Communist has an army.

724 insane_kufr  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 2:19:11am

Off thread - just thinking early in the a.m., BO sympathizes with these Palis and says, to paraphrase, that Israel has had "favored" nation status too long. The change we need is to now side with the antagonistic arab (islamic) side. Ignoring religion, if possible, let's examine this statement. How does one hope to resolve a conflict by effectively changing sides in mid-stream? We have two warring sides; one side states their goal is to exterminate their oppressor and recover their dispossessed lands. The other side, whom we have supported now for 60 years, doesn't make statements about exterminating their opponents, and just wants to be left alone. If middle east peace is the goal, how does abandoning an ally facilitate this? Talk about Ahmadinejad trying to bring about Armageddon. Have any BO supporters thought through what Barry gives lip service to?

725 MJBrutus  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 3:47:51am

re: #69 swamprat

The civilian military will be a substitute for welfare. A job and a handout, like the civilian job corps they had after the depression

That's how I see it. You know, that "right" to have a job thing. All those ethnic studies majors who's college Obambi will pay for will need to work some where, right? So let's throw another $.5T on the barbie and let them deliver meals on wheels.

726 kahn_mann  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 4:34:32am

Hmm, let's see. This sounds like abusing the second amendment (creating an official, well-regulated militia) who are the only folks legally allowed to own firearms. So Obama's thug army and the American military (with 25-50% less funding) would be the only people in the country (save the police, hopefully) who could own firearms. Those bitter people, clinging to their guns and religion would only be able to cling to religion.

That is very frightening. I pray to God that McCain pulls it out.

727 abolitionist  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 4:39:51am

re: #507 Spiny Norman

Inspired by Billy Ayers' Prairie Fire, btw.

I'm sure I remember John Milius talking about the Weathermen in regards to the movie plot.

Wow. I did not know that about Red Dawn.

728 devil in baggy pants  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 4:56:40am

re: #72 Spellcheck

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.


I hate to say it, but unless one is studying Obama with a critical eye, none of that matters. Unfortunately, I think once people have bought into the Hopium, they don't change their minds, no matter what.

729 IowaGirl  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:20:38am

Doesn't every town already have "civilian security"? Don't we call that The Police Department? The Sheriff's Department?
I don't understand what BO is trying to convince us we need here.

/scratching my head

730 nodeengineer  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:26:59am

#/sbin/local/paranoia -on

"civilian national security force" = Freikorps?

#/sbin/local/paranoia -off

731 Areopagitica  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:28:02am

Charles,

Could we get a video-clip of this posted? If Obama said this, I'm confused as to why we already have a national guard. Why the hell would Obama want a civilian security force? Maybe he's trying to tinker with the Heller decision?

Thanks to work, I missed the messiah's pre-world series address to the universe last night :P

732 nodeengineer  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:28:13am

#/sbin/local/paranoia -on
#/sbin/local/paranoia -background

733 ashan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:49:55am

re: #729 IowaGirl

Doesn't every town already have "civilian security"? Don't we call that The Police Department? The Sheriff's Department?
I don't understand what BO is trying to convince us we need here.

/scratching my head

Internal policing to make sure everyone stays in line, eats their peanut butter and jelly sandwiches silently and correctly, does their fair share of hard labor and gets precisely the same amount of food stamps. Except for those in power.

Step out of line and you will be questioned by the authorities.
Next steps:
1. Re-education Camps
2. The Gulag

734 jcbunga  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:50:11am

Where do I sign. I wanna blow sh*t up.

On second thought, thanks to the 2nd Amendment, we already have the largest militia on the planet. Problem solved.

Can you imagine an invading army rolling into East Tennessee or Michigan during deer hunting season? It would vanish like the Roman legions in the Teutoburg Forest.

735 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:53:38am

re: #93 brickthruplateglasswindow

That's making an assumption that another election might follow.

Didn't he say something about being president in 10 years? If term limits are in place he maxes out in 8..

736 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 5:56:38am

Seen any rapper videos lately? I imagine his entourage/ posse will evolve into something like that. The civilian 'police force' will probably drive heavily armed 'technicals' staffed by drug using thugs.

737 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:00:23am

Good Morning Lizards and greetings from Central Florida, brisk enough to feel good but not too cold.

Don't we already have the National Guard? wait a minute, the guard is under the Governor of each State, Obama wants a private security force beholden and under orders by his O ness (and Michele).

This is a scary theme he has mentioned often. The image of radical stormtroopers imposing a socialist order comes to mind. GO McCain/PALIN!

738 Goldwater Rocks  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:01:35am

The One will need many eyes and ears to find those who may speak ill of Him. The remedial education compounds will need tutors for the unenlightened.

What a bunch of sheep.

739 gonecamping  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:05:46am

re: #721 useless

I for one am very happy to hear about The Savior's personal army. As an officer in the US Army, I have been telling people that the next time we deploy to put down a civil insurgency against a government, the natives will be speaking English.

Now, I don't have to worry that it'll be the US Army being deployed to put down a civil insurgency against a government in a country where the natives speak English....

I'm quite relieved.

Don't be so quick to be relieved. You and your troops might be the ones called upon to protect us from Obama's thugs and it will be a civil war again.

740 IowaGirl  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:09:48am

re: #733 ashan

What an idiot! (not you, I mean BO) I'm going to go around to all my Democrat neighbors and relatives and ask them if they like this idea. This should be fun!

741 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:11:12am
What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

Doesn't matter. all these lofty BS plans are an excuse for the progressive communist democrat fascists to tax the shit out of each and everyone of us.
The ultimate control freak power fest for uber-libs.

742 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:12:53am

I think it's just a way to mobilize the left-wing neo-proggie brown shirts.
They will march for mind crime.
All who dare criticize Obama will be silenced.

743 roberth  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:14:21am

Heil, Obama!

744 TwinkietheKid  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:14:24am

It will be like the Soviet Union of old. Border checkpoints, people of "questionable" loyalties being picked up in the middle of the night. Where's my corrective labor camp? The one I will be placed into?

745 ashan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:18:38am

re: #740 IowaGirl

What an idiot! (not you, I mean BO) I'm going to go around to all my Democrat neighbors and relatives and ask them if they like this idea. This should be fun!

While you're at it, ask them if they like Barack and Michelle's BFFs, Bill and Bernadette, if they like this idea: Bill Ayers' Terrorist Group Discussed Genocide of Americans

746 IowaGirl  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:25:18am

re: #745 ashan

Sadly, I have yet to convince any of them that there's anything to see there. Obama says they're just neighbors, you see. I'm not getting any traction there untill the LA Times coughs up their video. (and even THAT may not get their heads out of the sand.)

747 Ann NY  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:27:33am

Mel Brooks wrote their slogan:

"Don't be stupid, be a smarty,
come and join the Nazi party....

748 ashan  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:29:11am

re: #746 IowaGirl

Sadly, I have yet to convince any of them that there's anything to see there. Obama says they're just neighbors, you see. I'm not getting any traction there untill the LA Times coughs up their video. (and even THAT may not get their heads out of the sand.)

Don't know how you switch relatives, but you definitely need some new neighbors. And not BHO's neighbors!

749 IowaGirl  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:31:46am

re: #748 ashan

So true. I'm an island of red in a sea of blue.

750 Freods  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:34:57am

Well, well, a national security force is it? So what will it do that the existing police structures don't already do? Hey, howabout rooting out subversion and keeping tabs on dissident types. Of course when the dissident types and subversives get power I become the dissident type. This is all reminds me of drunken freshman bull sessions when we used to ponder such questions as, "What would happen if the insane were sane and those we believe to be sane were actually insane?" I guess we will find out.

751 dahozho  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:36:49am

Someone should let the O-man in on a little secret-- we HAVE a civilian force already-- including FBI, ATF, NSA, Homeland Security.

But I fear this isn't the kind of force he's talking about. He wants a civilian force loyal TO HIM. Personally. NOT to the USA, or the Constitution.

Lefty dictators love that personal civilian security force. Just go down the list.

Please, let our institutions be strong enough to withstand the assault this guy will unleash if (IF) he gets in.

752 Walk Not So Softly  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:37:09am

When they come for me, they better come heavy.

753 El Anti-Idiotario  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:43:19am

Fidel had the rapid reaction brigades and we know what a free society Cuba is.
Chavez has the rapid reaction squads and we know what a free society Venezuela is becoming.
The zero is planning his Civilian National Security Force and I wonder where are we going...

/Been there. Done that. And not looking forward for a second round.

754 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:47:33am

re: #357 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

A thousand updings. You saved me the trouble of writing something similar but less readable.

755 loup-garou  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:50:25am

i have been saying this for weeks now. this force of "his" will not be black shirts, or brown shirts or even little red pioneer informers.
they will be GREEN shirts. remember all them antiwar protesters, well there all going to get a job now. working for the big O and get a nice green shirt and a badge. there going to go around and knock on your door and inspect and fine you if you don't have the right light bulbs, the right kind of thermostat you will get a ticket. if they find fox news on your TV your name will go on a list!
they will check to see that your thermostat is set at 68 in the winter and 78 in the summer.
you will be taxed on your carbon foot print. and like the weather the need for the tax will change along with the need of the security department . use of
stamped reusable shopping bags for all kinds of shopping will be mandatory.

the tag line energy security is national security.

ok some of that stuff is over the top but i do predict if we get a national SS its primary job will be enforcing "green" laws, they will not go after eco terrorists (unless its a oil company) or religious fundamentalists or drug dealers. they will go after "fat white guys in SUV's"

756 joncelli  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 6:57:15am

re: #425 Daisy

70-80 percent chance that he will.

757 Carolina Girl  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:01:50am

re: #58 Dublin(CA)Dude

I, for one, am stocking up on ammunition, making sure I have at least a thousand rounds in the house if this joker wins. When the Obamathugs come for me, they'll have a fight on their hands.

Well, darlin' - the Flyboy and I are right down the road in Livermore...just in case you run out. And name the day and we'll see you at the gun range.

758 snopes  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:07:26am

Has a transcript of this infomerical been released? I can't pass this along without "proof" he said this - as a couple people I've asked (Obama supporters) said they didn't hear him say anything about a civilian security force. IIRC, Bush suggested something like this shortly after 9/11 and the left went bezerk. The link above is a July AARP article. Thanks.

759 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:11:43am

Dear Senator McCain, in the final days, you should begin and end every speech with a reference to the LA Times tape. Point out the media bias in favor of your opponent and call on Senator Obama himself to either ask the Times to release the tape, or tell America why he doesn't feel they should." Then offer the media a chance to treat you similarly. Tell them if they have any similarly incriminating tapes of him (McCain), to relase them immediately in the interest of full disclosure.

760 snopes  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:16:28am

After some digging, I don't think he actually referred to a Civilian Security Force last night. Maybe I was the only one who misread the headline but I don't think it is as dire as it appears. AFAIK, he only made reference to such a titled agency once, in the July AARP article.

761 snakedoctor  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:22:56am

What was the name of Hitler's civilian force? Answer: the SS

762 Diane  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:33:17am

Obama has a grandiose image of himself, typical of a man who lacked love or something real in his childhood. A psychologist could explain that to us.

He said he will change America and the big wild world. This is madness, the Islamists want to do that, Hitler wanted to do that... even John Lennon for a moment thought he could change the world...
teenagers sometimes think they can do that, but a grown man?

What has he change in his career in the American society a part from running a outrageously expensive campaign? All that money could have been distributed to the poor...

The man is dangerous. Because of the extraordinary support he received he has now, too many shady "friends" to be thankful to and we know, it is hard for him to say no.

763 Diane  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:34:56am

change = changed

764 MoonbatBane  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:39:38am

re: #73 jorline

More seriously:

Youtube Video

SCARY.

765 dahozho  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 7:53:22am

re: #760 snopes

Here's the video, courtesy of the Jawa Report:

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

(Earlier, not part of the infomercial)

766 Perplexed  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 8:03:47am

I voted today even though in some cases it was a choice between the lessor of two weasels. Please vote.

767 ichef  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 8:08:59am

The only "Civilian National Security Force" the Huck needed was Chuck Norris.

768 ryukyu  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 8:12:14am

Next will come the re-education/work camps. If he wins and they maintain a majority, I guarantee they will try to change the constitution this time. There aren't enough old school dems to stop them.

769 _RememberTonyC  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 8:31:35am

look at how well obama's neighborhood is doing:

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

this is our future if we follow that man off a cliff

770 gulfloafer  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 8:47:35am

I'm officially scared ....

771 Diane  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 8:58:02am

re: #769 _RememberTonyC Thanks for that link.

The deaths are yet another reminder of the bloodshed on Chicago's streets this year - when the city has seen more homicides than both New York and Los Angeles.

Obama yesterday said in his indecently pricey infomercial that he will change America and the world.

What about when he was a community organizer in Chicago? Rezko made a fortune but his sub-standard housing projects and the people he wanted to help did not go very far.

As for the Annenberg challenge, the two million dollars produced no benefits for the kids.

772 Diane  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:02:47am

oops - this is a quote from _RememberTonyC 's article.

"The deaths are yet another reminder of the bloodshed on Chicago's streets this year - when the city has seen more homicides than both New York and Los Angeles."

773 zico  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:08:07am

It's a trojan horse. Once a 'Civilian National Security Force' is established it will then be time to re-interpret the 2nd amendment. It will be found by O's judges that this new force is the 'well regulated militia' - everyone else will then have to dis-arm. After that is completed the 'Civilian National Security Force' will be dropped to just a token/ceremonial role as part of the police force in general.

774 hermit  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 9:30:18am

re: #768 ryukyu

Next will come the re-education/work camps.

got those -- we call them "universities"

775 jeffr  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:24:17am

Note that "Just as well funded" doesn't have to mean "equal funding level". If the DoD gets everything it wants at a price tag of $500M and the new civilian army gets everything it wants for $1M, then in an sense they're equally well funded.

My guess: this was a throwaway line, never to be revisited. We'll see 2009...

776 We need G.C. Scott  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 10:30:22am

"No Socialist system can be established without a political police."
-WChurchill

And I ain't talking Ward, baby!

777 Ezekiel2517  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:36:12am

Regardless of the motive for establishing this new civil service corps, it's still a massive bloating of the federal budget.

778 Integritymatters  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:46:33am

Sort of like the SS.

779 AZDave  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 11:52:16am
Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Looks like the KOS Kids will finally become gainfully employed.

780 ericdthom  Thu, Oct 30, 2008 4:00:20pm

Another way for the Dems to keep power when people get smart and try to kick them out of office

781 Dotcoman  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:52:51am

re: #27 El Lizardo mejicano

Are we going to be required to wear a "Che Guevara" uniform?
Or the "Red Star" Ayers likes to wear in the regular basis..

What's this we shit? You know damn well "we" are going to be rounded up and either be put into those concentration/ re-education camps Clinton had built all over the US, conveniently close to railroad tracks, or just rounded up and put up against the nearest wall and shot. Once, that is, the Kos Kidz in charge, check their list twice and realize we are wanted members of LGF.

782 Dotcoman  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 12:56:51am

re: #773 zico

It's a trojan horse. Once a 'Civilian National Security Force' is established it will then be time to re-interpret the 2nd amendment. It will be found by O's judges that this new force is the 'well regulated militia' - everyone else will then have to dis-arm. After that is completed the 'Civilian National Security Force' will be dropped to just a token/ceremonial role as part of the police force in general.

That's close but the last bit is total BS, once Democrats start something they never dial it down and back off. They build their depts and organizations to seek greater power and control. No way Dear Leader relinquishes his personal stormtroopers and Gestapo.

Besides they are going to be rather busy dying once they start tying to take guns from anybody.

783 NCusTranshumanist  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 10:18:40am

At the risk of Godwinning:

If you ever wondered how the German people could've democratically brought Hitler to power, you have your answer in the BO campaign. He's even planning his brownshirts ahead of time.

784 CJPro  Fri, Oct 31, 2008 11:03:41am

The old National SOCIALIST German Workers Party (NSDAP aka NAZI Party)) had one of those. It was called the SA.

Nobama is a VERY scary guy.

785 PrairieDog  Sat, Nov 1, 2008 8:43:32pm

I expected an October surprise, but the housing collapse was a surprise felt round the world. They probably didn't intend to trigger a global depression, but they clearly do not care. It now appears to have achieved an effect similar to the Reichstag fire that Hitler used to solidify support.
The Civilian National Security Force would accomplish the purpose of Hitler's Brown Shirts, plus it provides thousands of new jobs, which Obama has promised. This time I expect the shirts will be red like those of ACORN.
George Carlin predicted thus: "When fascism comes to America, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and Smiley shirts. Smiley-smiley. Fascism - Germany lost the Second World War. Fascism won it. Believe me, my friend."
And how did all this come about? Could it have anything to do with Alan Ginsberg's statement, when he realized the attempted revolution of the 1960s would fail, that "we will get you through your children"?

786 Random-American  Sun, Nov 2, 2008 6:44:52pm

Senator Chuckie Shumer has also implied that America should accept the one-party rule of the Democrats. Can’t have dissent, you know.

Are these tactics by the Obamabots the kind of change they have in mind? I certainly hope not.

After seeing the other tactics that are used whenever anyone questions him or goes against his objectives, who really knows what he plans to do with another ’security force’ with half a trillion dollar budget? November 4th could be an historic day indeed.


This entry has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

log in
Name:
Pass:

Register Forgot Your Password? My Account Re-send Confirmation (To log in, cookies must be enabled in your browser!)
logged in
Username:


Register Forgot Your Password? My Account My Favorites LGF Master Spy

► LGF Headlines

► Top 10 Comments

► Bottom Comments

► Recent Comments

► Tools/Info

► LGF Hits

► Slideshows

► Resources

► Never Forget

► Statistics

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
 Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published in our weblog, unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form

► News/Opinion

Limited Time Offer: FREE $10 Online Gift Certificate with $100 Gift Card Purchase!
Partners
Addiction Treatment Addiction Treatment Centers Alternative Medicine Dry Erase Board, White Boards, Whiteboards Fat Burners Folding Tables and Chairs Fundraisers Motorcycle Parts Accessories Online casino Tempurpedic Mattress Comparison
More Partners

Compare Electricity Prices in your area. Texas Electricity is deregulated; you have the right to choose Texas Electric Rates from among many Texas Electric Companies.

A kind of crazed and demented watchdog.


Barnes & Noble Home