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Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Politics | Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 5:48:57 pm PDT

Among the many promises and pledges in Barack Obama’s multi-million dollar infomercial, one statement really stood out: he announced that he will “rebuild the military.”

But somehow, at the same time, he’s planning a “civilian national security force” that is as powerful and well-funded as the US military: Obama outlines plan for national service.

“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

The Department of Defense’s current base budget is close to $500 billion. So if he meant that promise, he plans on a total defense budget of about a trillion dollars.

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

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1 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:50:18pm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

2 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:50:32pm

are there green firearms?

3 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:51:04pm
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded

National Socialists?

4 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:51:59pm

He's attempting an end run around the Posse Comitatus Act.

5 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:52:18pm
What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” that has that astronomical level of funding?

I really don't want to find out.

6 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:03pm

Fashion question;
Brown or Black shirts, which will WAB choose?

7 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:08pm

Gotta enforce HIS will on US, ya know.

Some of us might no go willingly.

/and he has no idea how many.

8 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:16pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

Posse Comitatus Act

This article is about the Posse Comitatus Act in the United States. For other uses of posse comitatus, see Posse comitatus.
9 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:18pm

re: #3 Shug

National Socialists?

trans-national socialists. In league with Chavez, Il, Castro II... not with Europe as they are starting to pull their heads out and back away from that foolishness

10 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:23pm
11 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:32pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

Two words- BWA -HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

12 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:53:40pm

One of the tactics of fascists was to create mirror organizations.

13 poopeedoo  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:06pm

Shouldn't that be "Civilian Farce"?

14 doppelganglander  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:20pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

15 SWPaul  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:32pm

Uhhhhhh..........

16 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:33pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

The civilian defense force is an end run around that silly posse comitatus thingy

17 Attaboid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:43pm

Old news. He doesn't realy intend to follow through. ?

18 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:44pm

What the hell is the NOI going to do with $500 billion?

19 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:54:57pm

I was talking to a B0-peep the other day, who was going on and on about how terrified she was of Blackwater. I brought up the Civilian National Security Force and asked what the difference would be. She said, "Oh, no, it's nothing like that! It's more like a domestic Peace Corps".

20 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:00pm

Ayatollah Khomeini called his the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps -- or Pasdaran, which means "Guardians".

21 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:20pm

re: #1 jcm

Two words...
Posse Comitatus

guard your nuts

22 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:28pm

Will it have aircraft carriers?

23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:55:33pm

re: #14 doppelganglander

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

Mexico also- the Federales.

24 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:08pm

re: #14 doppelganglander

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

France = gendarmes, seeing a pattern here?

25 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:14pm

It's already started.

Blank eyed children singing about Dear Leader

Overweight inner city kids goose-stepping for Dear Leader

26 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:29pm

Let me guess - all those thugs from the hood are going to be part of the civilian security force.

27 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:39pm

Are we going to be required to wear a "Che Guevara" uniform?
Or the "Red Star" Ayers likes to wear in the regular basis..

28 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:41pm

Overlapping, competing security forces are a hallmark of totalitarian regimes, ie: Red Army vs KGB, Wehrmacht vs SS. The Ø regime has plans for us all.

29 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:56:55pm

Another Nobama commercial. Other than the kool-aid drinkers, I think people are really going to start detesting seeing this moron.

30 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:00pm
"We will ask Americans to serve," the Illinois Democrat said. "We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve."

We already have the chance to serve without BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of our confiscated wealth paying for it, BHO. We don't need the federal government to create make-work. This is NOT the Great Depression.

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:03pm
32 Typicalwhitey  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:10pm

It will be chock full of nuts like the koskids.
Those people are insane.

33 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:10pm

Clearly because he knows we would otherwise rise up against him eventually.

34 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:24pm

"What are your qualifications?"
"Rape, Murder, Mayhem, Robbery and Rape"
"You said 'rape' twice"
"I like rape..."

35 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:25pm

What would he plan on doing with a force that large? Rule North America until forcibly removed from power...

36 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:38pm

re: #20 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ayatollah Khomeini called his the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps -- or Pasdaran, which means "Guardians".

I think Stormabteilung has a better ring.

Of course, then you need to find another $500 billion to pay for the competing Schultzstaffelen.

37 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:38pm

I feel like dorothy in Oz, clicking my heels, "i won't be afraid" , "i won't be afraid"

38 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:57:41pm

Do they get badges?

39 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:01pm

Deduct the 25% defense cut imposed by Kommissar Frank and the goon squads will be rolling in money.

40 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:32pm

WHen I heard that I never did understand what that means. We have a military so what purpose would it serve to have civilians? He needs to explain that one. Sounds frightening. Children turning in their parents for hiding their money? Black Panthers? That is just too weird. Especially since he wants to dis-arm America.

41 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:33pm

re: #34 rawmuse

"What are your qualifications?"
"Rape, Murder, Mayhem, Robbery and Rape"
"You said 'rape' twice"
"I like rape..."

Blazing Saddles! What do I win!

42 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:58:58pm

OT: PALIN ROARS!... Attacks Obama & LAT On Khalidi Tape-- "If There's a Pulitzer for Excellence in Kowtowing- The LAT Is Winning!"

PALIN SLAMS OBAMA & LA TIMES ON KHALIDI TAPE AT JEW-BASH!

Governor Sarah Palin slammed Barack Obama and the LA Times today for concealing a controversial video from the American public.

The tape shows Obama toasting a former PLO operative at a 2003 Jew-bash in Chicago:

Palin video

Palin demands the LA Times release the tape of Obama toasting former terrorist spokesman Rashid Khalidi. She calls the LA Times, "Obama's pet newspaper."

Here's Sarah Palin on Obama's latest radical friend in the news:

"It must be nice for a candidate to have major news organizations looking after his best interests like that... Politicians would love to have a pet newspaper of their very own. In this case we have a newspaper willing to throw aside even the public's right to know in order to protect a candidate that its own editorial board has endorsed. And, if there's a Pulitzer Prize for excellence in kowtowing then the LA Times-- You're winning!"

More... Doug Ross may have discovered two quotes from the Obama-Khalidi tape.

43 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:01pm

If it looks like a turd and floats like a turd and smells like a turd - it's a Big old BO turd

44 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:07pm

Geheime Staatspolizei - GESTAPO
Gosudarstvennoye Politicheskoye Upravlenie - GPU
Ministerium für Staatssicherheit - STASI
next ......
Civilian National Security Force - CNSF ?

45 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:17pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Do they get badges?

Badges? We don't need no stinking badges!

46 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 5:59:44pm

re: #34 rawmuse

What's that in your mouth?
mmm... nuffin...
(Lamar pulls gum from cowboys mouth)
ah-hah! Gum! Did you bring enough for everyone?
Well, no I didn't know there'd be so many - (BANG)

47 Mister Ghost  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:08pm

Comrade Charles,
In Glorious Leader Obama's USA (United Socialist America)
you don't ask questions about the National Security Force,
the National Security Force questions you...

48 Jim D  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:19pm

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey


#3: It removes the guns from everyone else.

Nope. Just law abiding citizens. Criminals always get to keep theirs for some reason.

49 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:23pm

Will they wear brown shirts?

...just asking.

50 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:29pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Blazing Saddles! What do I win!

You win the right to move on to level 2!
;)

51 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:32pm

We must keep this pinko fascist pig out of the White House.

To all you Republicans who are STILL refusing to vote for McCain because he's not conservative enough for you, I urge you to put aside that issue and VOTE TO BEAT BHO. Please.

52 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:35pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Do they get badges?

They don't need no steenking badges...

Large and X-L Red shirts will be fine for them... like Acorns' shirts...

53 littleoldlady  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:36pm

re: #18 CIA Reject

What the hell is the NOI going to do with $500 billion?

Oh, thanks oodles for that.

/now I won't sleep at ALL tonight :-(

54 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:41pm

Now that Acorn's outted, he has to have someplace to put the activists...

55 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:00:53pm

re: #28 Pullus Iulius

Overlapping, competing security forces are a hallmark of totalitarian regimes, ie: Red Army vs KGB, Wehrmacht vs SS. The Ø regime has plans for us all.

The competition is essential to prevent the security forces from challenging the Leader.

Who would thunk that BO was a such a student of Machiavelli...

56 Karridine  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:13pm

Just divisions of brigades of regiments of companies of beefy, strong, well-armed men to patrol America's streets to maintain order and ensure that the clingy, bitter productive people CONTINUE TO PRODUCE and DON'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY, and encourage a positive, NON-CRITICIZING attitude in the population.

Their distinctive brown shirts will have snappy slogans, like "With Obama, forever into a more hopeful, changing future!"

57 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:22pm

The best possible interpretation for this "national security force" is that it's an empty phrase he's throwing out to voters concerned about national security. Seems like an awfully big idea for just that, though.

58 Dublin(CA)Dude  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:30pm

I, for one, am stocking up on ammunition, making sure I have at least a thousand rounds in the house if this joker wins. When the Obamathugs come for me, they'll have a fight on their hands.

59 LSD  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:37pm

Just Great

A new "Red Guard"

Chairman Mao would be proud

60 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:01:41pm

Shortcut to Civil War.....

Brown shirts enforcing a nation wide gun grab.

61 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:01pm

re: #36 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I think Stormabteilung has a better ring.

Of course, then you need to find another $500 billion to pay for the competing Schultzstaffelen.

Too Wagnerian. I just can't imagine Barack diddy-bopping to Ride of the Valkyries.

62 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:12pm

re: #8 gmsc

See! That's the flaw in your thinking. You actually think that the Big O cares about what the constitution says? Just another pesky document to swept away in the new social revolution.

63 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:17pm

re: #54 Thanos

Now that Acorn's outted, he has to have someplace to put the activists...

Ripe pickin's for this force will also be found on swelling unemployment lines.

64 DistantThunder  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:26pm

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

65 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:42pm

re: #55 CIA Reject

The new Praetorians..... the Immortals.... the Sacred band... etc.

66 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:02:50pm
What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?


I have a sneaking suspicion that everyone here will be on a list.

67 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:14pm

I guess that after he takes over, there will be plenty of unemployed people that can apply for the 'Civilian National Security Force'

ACORN is already taking applications.

68 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:17pm

re: #56 Karridine

Just divisions of brigades of regiments of companies of beefy, strong, well-armed men to patrol America's streets to maintain order and ensure that the clingy, bitter productive people CONTINUE TO PRODUCE and DON'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY, and encourage a positive, NON-CRITICIZING attitude in the population.

Their distinctive brown shirts will have snappy slogans, like "With Obama, forever into a more hopeful, changing future!"

Will they get little daggers that say Gott mit Uns, too?

69 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:30pm

The civilian military will be a substitute for welfare. A job and a handout, like the civilian job corps they had after the depression

70 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:42pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

Do they get badges?

They don't need no steeeenking badges!

71 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:50pm

So...does this mean he anticipates a palace revolt?

72 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:03:52pm

re: #29 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Another Nobama commercial. Other than the kool-aid drinkers, I think people are really going to start detesting seeing this moron.

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.

73 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:03pm

re: #23 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Mexico also- the Federales.

Civilian National Security Force

74 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:07pm
75 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:33pm

re: #51 MandyManners

We must keep this pinko fascist pig out of the White House.

To all you Republicans who are STILL refusing to vote for McCain because he's not conservative enough for you, I urge you to put aside that issue and VOTE TO BEAT BHO. Please.

If you're holding out on voting for McCain because you reckon four years of BHO will leave the country begging for someone with acceptable (to you) conservative credentials in 2012, just think back at what Jimmy Carter did to this nation, and how we are still feeling the effects of it.

76 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:38pm

This guy just gets scarier by the minute. I've been waking up each night with panic attacks!

77 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:38pm

re: #65 Thanos

The new Praetorians..... the Immortals.... the Sacred band... etc.

The Crips.... The Bloods....

78 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:43pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

BRING IT ON MOTHER FUC*&^$!

79 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:04:54pm

re: #57 arethusa

The best possible interpretation for this "national security force" is that it's an empty phrase he's throwing out to voters concerned about national security. Seems like an awfully big idea for just that, though.

This is for the Peace department freakazoids

[Link: www.thepeacealliance.org...]

80 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:14pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

Charles doesn't exist... he is like Emmanuel Goldstein. A figment used to foment hatred and froth up the party faithful.

81 J.S.  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:22pm

Obama has also promised to de-nuke the United States -- to get rid of nuclear weapons...

Perhaps his "civilian" force will be like those Brits back in WWII -- protecting the "Home Front", eh? The ones marching around, carrying broomsticks over their shoulders in lieu of actual weapons/rifles, and acting all military an' all...it'll all be about "pretend"...

82 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:24pm

re: #32 Typicalwhitey

[Link: s4.tinypic.com...]

83 jaunte  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:27pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

84 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:05:56pm

re: #53 littleoldlady

Oh, thanks oodles for that.

/now I won't sleep at ALL tonight :-(

Sorry, but it's the first thought that popped into my head.

Kinda like the Sta-Puft Marshmallow Man in "Ghost Busters"

85 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:24pm

Obama will recruit young african american fraternity members who have experience chanting the name of the leader and fighting (see youtube video) as well as other DUmmies and they'll protect america against its greatest threats......plumbers, hockey moms, and other who do not know their place in the new America.

I am not sure if its satire

86 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:30pm

Don't we already have "Civilian National Security Forces" in each town, city, county and state? They're called "Police Departments", "Sheriffs", "State Police" and ultimately, the "Federal Bureau of Investigation".

87 Lakedog66[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:44pm
88 FightingBack  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:48pm

A Civilian Security Force?
That was last July. I was only 8 then.

89 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:49pm

re: #72 Spellcheck

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.

I know I am, but I knew long before the fortnight, more like the fortyear, since he's been running about 2 years.

90 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:54pm

If anyone remember the movie, "Escape from New York" which starred Kurt Russells as Snake Plissken? Those black-uniformed soldiers guarding the walls of the largest prison on Earth - the Manhattan Island? They are called the United States Police Corp.

That is what Obama is talking about.

91 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:06:59pm

re: #83 jaunte

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

Some would be only to happy to do the the bidding of The One.

92 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:08pm

re: #77 CIA Reject

The Crips.... The Bloods....

Minister: As I was saying, Alex, you can be instrumental in changing the public verdict. Do you understand, Alex? Have I made myself clear?
Alex: As an unmuddied lake, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred.

93 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:13pm

re: #75 MandyManners

If you're holding out on voting for McCain because you reckon four years of BHO will leave the country begging for someone with acceptable (to you) conservative credentials in 2012, just think back at what Jimmy Carter did to this nation, and how we are still feeling the effects of it.

That's making an assumption that another election might follow.

94 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:16pm

re: #66 Racer X

I have a sneaking suspicion that everyone here will be on a list.

But since Bambi want to improve our country's culture, that Liszt will be for Chopin.

95 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:24pm

re: #66 Racer X

I have a sneaking suspicion that everyone here will be on a list.

Does Charles have a backup plan to delete files, if need be?

96 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:33pm
What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?


Protect the arugula collectives. He who controls the Arugula controls the universe!

97 Karridine  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:40pm

re: #68 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Will they get little daggers that say Gott mit Uns, too?

Well of COURSE, Vet! God IS on their side, just ask them! They are the elite, the in-crowd, THE Chosen Ones!

98 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:07:52pm
99 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:00pm

re: #86 Intrepid

Don't we already have "Civilian National Security Forces" in each town, city, county and state? They're called "Police Departments", "Sheriffs", "State Police" and ultimately, the "Federal Bureau of Investigation".

The swore to uphold that funky old piece of paper written by dead white guys.
These will swear fealty to The Marxist One.

100 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:08pm

I really think its totally possible should he get elected and all the dems in power, that talk radio will be dead and many blogs shut down. I fear this man. I never feared any politician like this in all my life. I'm not a young'in either.

101 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:09pm

re: #90 the_flying_pig

Funny I always saw that movie and 'Escape from LA' as a liberals belief in a right wing fascist america

102 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:11pm

re: #64 DistantThunder

First they'll come for Sean Hannity, and Rush

Next them come for Charles...

And then they will come for us.

They won't find me, I'll already be dead. If things like that start happening, I'm going to walk in front of a train.

103 Lakedog66  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:18pm

Mao Tse Tung said: Change will come through the barrel of a gun.

104 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:22pm

re: #83 jaunte

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

Fascists are masters of creating both a crisis and the solution to it.

105 astronmr20  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:27pm

I don't mean to be a malcontent, and I'll be dinging the collection bucket in a moment,

But this site REALLY needs a horsepower (hamster-power) upgrade before next Tuesday.

106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:37pm

re: #86 Intrepid

Don't we already have "Civilian National Security Forces" in each town, city, county and state? They're called "Police Departments", "Sheriffs", "State Police" and ultimately, the "Federal Bureau of Investigation".

Reactionary! J'accuse!

107 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:45pm
108 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:46pm

re: #83 jaunte

This is one rationale for his economic plans. Create a large cadre of unemployed, and put them to work policing the real workers.

Good post. That's the types who made up Hitler's Brownshirts.

109 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:08:55pm

re: #103 Lakedog66

Mao Tse Tung said: Change will come through the barrel of a gun.

He backed that up, too. It wasn't just pretty words.

110 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:06pm
111 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:09pm

He's wanting a nationalized police force, obviously.

So let's see...

In the Obamanation, you'll be completely dependent upon the federal government for your health care, your retirement income, and your personal security.

What could go wrong?

112 brickthruplateglasswindow  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:11pm

re: #90 the_flying_pig

If anyone remember the movie, "Escape from New York" which starred Kurt Russells as Snake Plissken? Those black-uniformed soldiers guarding the walls of the largest prison on Earth - the Manhattan Island? They are called the United States Police Corp.

That is what Obama is talking about.


Snake Plissken? I thought he was dead?

113 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:39pm

re: #41 Walter L. Newton

Blazing Saddles! What do I win!

This laurel, and hearty handshake!

114 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:47pm

re: #106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

please report to the guillotine

115 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:49pm

re: #92 Thanos

Minister: As I was saying, Alex, you can be instrumental in changing the public verdict. Do you understand, Alex? Have I made myself clear?
Alex: As an unmuddied lake, Fred. As clear as an azure sky of deepest summer. You can rely on me, Fred.

Well, at least he'll solve the prison overpopulation problem.

Sheesh!

116 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:57pm

What would be the function of this Security Force? who would they protect and from what threat and why on earth would it need to be as large as the current military?
WTF is he talking about?

117 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:09:58pm

re: #110 taxfreekiller

It's a real bummer Rudy is unelectable.

118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:07pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

They won't find me, I'll already be dead. If things like that start happening, I'm going to walk in front of a train.

No you won't, soldier! Make your time here count. Surrender is not an option.

119 jaunte  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:17pm

Watching Colmes trying to argue with Giuliani is like watching a small yappy dog chase a truck.

120 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:19pm

re: #112 brickthruplateglasswindow

Snake Plissken? I thought he was dead?

ooooohhhh.... nice setup....

121 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:21pm
122 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:26pm
123 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:10:36pm

re: #95 The Archivist

Does Charles have a backup plan to delete files, if need be?

I'm not afraid of 0bama-thugs. Bring it- make the right political martyrs for the Constitution. It would be the utter death of the left.

124 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:03pm

re: #113 rawmuse

This laurel, and hearty handshake!

ROFL!

125 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:05pm

re: #103 Lakedog66

Mao Tse Tung said: Change will come through the barrel of a gun.

And 0 said we need change. Let's go get sum (3 or 4 ought to do).

126 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:25pm

How is McCain's $5000 tax credit for health care redistribution of wealth if?

Alan's a total dumbshit.

127 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:27pm

Steenkeeng badges!

How many punchlines did I get with that one?

128 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:27pm

His very own Gestapo. How inspiring.

129 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:30pm

re: #118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No you won't, soldier! Make your time here count. Surrender is not an option.

FUCKIN' A!

130 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:35pm

Learn this phrase

"I am an essential worker"

Might come in handy some day

131 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:45pm

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

132 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:52pm

re: #93 brickthruplateglasswindow

That's making an assumption that another election might follow.

I don't know if that's even a remotely valid assumption but, I can see it happening.

133 Lakedog66  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:11:58pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

But I had to put the phrase in a way that the moonbats might understand.

134 Thanos  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:00pm

re: #87 Lakedog66

You sound a bit post toastee

135 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:10pm
136 psyop  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:19pm

re: #130 Shug

Learn this phrase

"I am an essential worker"

Might come in handy some day

*shiver*

137 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:12:29pm

re: #106 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Reactionary! J'accuse!

Oooh, cool. Jacuzzis!

138 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:00pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Protect the arugula collectives. He who controls the Arugula controls the universe!

GROW YOUR OWN!

139 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:19pm

re: #132 MandyManners

I don't know if that's even a remotely valid assumption but, I can see it happening.

That's definitely a trigger, that happens.
Fights on.

140 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:28pm

We already have a civilian national defence force and it is called Homeland security and it has been a cash-cow for local governments for grants for 911 call centers and Police command RV's stacked with commo gear!
Nope I think the new civilian police corps will be laid out more in the line of the KGB and Stakva. You thought Palin and Plumber had it bad? you ain't seen nothing yet!Time to start buying those soon to banned weapons mates! I fear 'me ski trip is gone this year in favor of something a little more deadly! I will buy the day after Obama is elected!

141 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:32pm

re: #111 Dar ul Harb

Oh, and how could I forget?

They'll have your home mortgage, too.

142 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:13:37pm
143 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:00pm

Everybody is getting it wrong; Obama is trying to pretend that America is in a Great Depression. He needs this in order to scare the gullible. Scared people will let extreme measures get put in place to "rescue" them, if not them; the other poor sods who so desperately seem to need help. It's a lot like Madison Avenue convincing people that they need a new product.......but this product is socialism.

144 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:21pm

re: #95 The Archivist

Does Charles have a backup plan to delete files, if need be?


________________________
Magnesium flares on the server racks should work nicely.

145 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:22pm
146 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:28pm

re: #130 Shug

the Obamatons will realize that only after they kill us, kinda like when Ferdinand and Isabella realized getting rid of the jews was a bad idea - much later

147 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:31pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

Don't care... just give me their uniform specs so I can identify the leaders.

148 Teacake!  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:33pm

We have a military, we have cops, fbi - so really, what is this about? Why does the nation need a civilian force for? He NEEDS to explain this!

Civilians like Ayers?

149 Spellcheck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:35pm

So, maybe he needs this for when he's tested in 6 months. You know, to "encourage" everyone to stand by him, even though it looks like he doesn't know what he's doing.

150 razorbacker  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:42pm

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

You better watch out
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama's Claws is coming to town

He's making a list
And checking it twice
Gonna find out Who's naughty and nice
Obama's Claws is coming to town

He sees you when you're sleeping
He knows when you're awake
He knows if you've been bad or good
So be good for goodness sake!

O! You better watch out!
You better not cry
Better not pout
I'm telling you why
Obama's Claws is coming to town
Obama's Claws is coming to town

151 Cartman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:46pm

I would surmise that 0bama and Soros have thought this one out very carefully.

First, disarm the population at large through judicial activism and international pressure. Next, carefully construct a domestic, partisan, quasi-military entity designed to enforce politically correct constructs across the board. Finally, carve up the budgets for our armed services through the "rebuilding" promise, and bingo - the effective consolidation of power in the hands of an oligarchy.

152 erevu  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:14:54pm

It is clearly time to start clinging more tightly to guns.

153 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:09pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

I didn't watch it as well, reine. I don't think I missed anything.

154 rawmuse  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:16pm

America is in such a horrible economic condition that it took me 10 minutes to find a parking spot at the mall today.

155 eric_odessit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:18pm

I've heard of a security organization that technically was not military. It was called "Guard Squads", better known in the original language as "Schutz Staffel". Sorry if I made a translation mistake: I don't really speak German. But Schutz Staffel, or SS, was technically a civilian security force. And, while part of it was extensively used in combat, it did not report to the German Army.
Eric.

156 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:26pm

I'll tell you what we have to look forward to. As many of you know, my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled a week or so ago. I left the mangled sign laying right there in the yard so passersby could see how well behaved some of the Obamabots are. No freedom of speech for you, McCain supporter! Well, the Obamabots didn't like that apparently because last night Obamabots tore the sign in half, further mangled it, and tossed it into another part of the yard. Additionally, someone (can't confirm it's the same Obamabot/s but it sure seems suspicious) stole the registration sticker off my son's car, broke into the car, and stole the CD player/radio and CDs.

Shame on me for expressing my right to free speech by having a McCain sign in my yard.

157 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:15:29pm

re: #118 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

No you won't, soldier! Make your time here count. Surrender is not an option.

I doubt I'd really contribute anything to that sort of fight. I'm not fit these days, and I can't afford a gun. Further, people who are in the tank for BHO know where I live. The best I could do would be 'suicide by CNSF' and maybe take one of them with me.

158 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:16:34pm

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” that has such an astronomical level of funding?

Moreover, will it be voluntary? Will moonbats carry weapons?

159 Cartman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #151 Cartman

Memo to self - check all future posts for redundant verbiage. Sigh.

160 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:16:51pm

Who would believe that this could ever happen again?

NObama!
NoCNSF!

161 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:31pm
162 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:32pm

Surprise.

Those two assholes who put up the Palin effigy in West Hollywood are just a couple of creative artists who don't advocate violence towards anyone.

Its art!

163 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:49pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

I didn't see it.
Will the members of the "civilian national security force" have weapons of any kind?

Who will these people be? Who will "choose" them?

Straws and spitballs for weapons.

164 YankeeBoy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:17:53pm

Two more words: Browne Shirts. This is positively frightening.

165 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:05pm

re: #158 solomonpanting

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” that has such an astronomical level of funding?

Moreover, will it be voluntary? Will moonbats carry weapons?

Look at these nice weapons. Never fired and only dropped once

166 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:11pm

The people who went mad with greed need a solution; and that solution is to allow the country

167 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:11pm

re: #158 solomonpanting

hope they will, doubt they'd know which end to point at me

168 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:14pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

Hang tight... you don't know what the situation will be then.

Besides, as US Grant said: "If you can't skin, you can at least hold a leg."

169 thebigolddog  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:23pm

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* Believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

170 griffon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:23pm

Obama will redistribute the wealth and the CNSF will redistribute the guns. They'll take them from the good guys using that new heat weapon and give them to the badder guys whom we're now supporting with our taxes.

171 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:24pm

re: #93 brickthruplateglasswindow

That's making an assumption that another election might follow.

Are you kidding?

172 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:27pm

re: #157 Dark_Falcon

I doubt I'd really contribute anything to that sort of fight. I'm not fit these days, and I can't afford a gun. Further, people who are in the tank for BHO know where I live. The best I could do would be 'suicide by CNSF' and maybe take one of them with me.

git ya a used mossberg 500 for 150 bucks

173 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:29pm
Among the many promises and pledges in Barack Obama’s multi-million dollar infomercial, one statement really stood out: he announced that he will “rebuild the military.”

I would really like to know how Barry intends to do that when Barney Frank has gloatingly announced the Democrats are going to cut the military by 25%.

174 Lakedog66  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:37pm

you are so right buzzsaw....I didn't have my copy of the little red book handy.
Since I am taking Tuesday off because the obamonster says so, maybe I can catch up on my reading while building the pillboxes.

175 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:46pm
176 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:48pm

Civilian National Security Force....Truth Squads? Why do I get the feeling we are in a George Orwell Novel?

177 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:51pm

to fall away from capitalism

178 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:18:58pm

Now wait just a doggone minute. We already have Citizen Soldiers. They are called

THE NATIONAL GUARD

179 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:01pm

By the way. Forgot to mention. The next door neighbor's Obama sign is still thankfully unharmed.

180 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #75 MandyManners

If you're holding out on voting for McCain because you reckon four years of BHO will leave the country begging for someone with acceptable (to you) conservative credentials in 2012, just think back at what Jimmy Carter did to this nation, and how we are still feeling the effects of it.

That's if we're still allowed to vote. He has no regard for the Constitution. He and his cronies will probably throw it away and make a new Order...The Obama
Rules.

181 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #148 Teacake!

We have a military, we have cops, fbi - so really, what is this about? Why does the nation need a civilian force for? He NEEDS to explain this!

Civilians like Ayers?

Because this is what fascists DO. Establish mirror organizations to put their own people in place and take away the effectiveness of the true organization.

Sorry- he quite literally wants a gang of government funded jack-booted thugs.

182 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #140 LoFlyer

We already have a civilian national defence force and it is called Homeland security and it has been a cash-cow for local governments for grants for 911 call centers and Police command RV's stacked with commo gear!
Nope I think the new civilian police corps will be laid out more in the line of the KGB and Stakva. You thought Palin and Plumber had it bad? you ain't seen nothing yet!Time to start buying those soon to banned weapons mates! I fear 'me ski trip is gone this year in favor of something a little more deadly! I will buy the day after Obama is elected!

Yeah, the title "civilian national security force" does sound to me awfully like some sort of national police force.
Again, who will choose and train these folks?
Who will these folks be loyal to?
How will they coordinate with the military and local police?
What's this all about?
It sounds scary to me.

183 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:09pm

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

No, he said, "Every Communist must grasp the truth. Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun."

It's from the Little Red Book.

Do I need to dig my copy out of storage?

184 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:16pm

re: #148 Teacake!

He NEEDS to explain this!

Here's some reasonable interpretation of what he might mean ...
Funding Barack Obama's "civilian national security force."--

185 Basho  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:21pm

Nationalized police force? If he gets through the constitutional problem, it could be interesting. Call them Civil Protection. Give them full-headed gas masks. A cattle prod. They could enforce environmental problems.

Civil Protection Guard: "Pick up the can!"

186 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:41pm

Papa Barack and his Tonton Macoutes....

187 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:45pm

If you want to serve your country JOIN THE NATIONAL GUARD

You ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

188 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:19:55pm

Is it just me or did the hamsters just form a socialist union?

189 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #152 erevu

It is clearly time to start clinging more tightly to guns.

I'll keep my guns close, but I'm clinging to my Bible.

And my Rosary...

190 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #156 ciaospirit

I'll tell you what we have to look forward to. As many of you know, my McCain/Palin sign was ripped out of the ground and mangled a week or so ago. I left the mangled sign laying right there in the yard so passersby could see how well behaved some of the Obamabots are. No freedom of speech for you, McCain supporter! Well, the Obamabots didn't like that apparently because last night Obamabots tore the sign in half, further mangled it, and tossed it into another part of the yard. Additionally, someone (can't confirm it's the same Obamabot/s but it sure seems suspicious) stole the registration sticker off my son's car, broke into the car, and stole the CD player/radio and CDs.

Shame on me for expressing my right to free speech by having a McCain sign in my yard.

They weren't stealing the radio. They were spreading the wealth.
/

191 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:03pm

re: #154 rawmuse

I like that!

192 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:11pm

Un-Constitutional. I wonder if this police force would resemble the veteran groups currently in Zimbabwe?

193 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:20pm

re: #173 Spiny Norman

My guess is that you don't put this through the department of defense

194 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:42pm

What exactly is Obama planning to do with a “civilian force” with such an astronomical level of funding?

I am reading through my copy of Liberal Fascism to see if I can find the answer to that question....

Ooh, ooh, I got it - enforce socialism fascistically. It was right there all along.

195 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:42pm
196 Bushwack1  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:43pm

IF you really want to know what he will do with that civilian force.. Think Kenya and Raila Odinga...and the Nation of Islam.

197 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:51pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

Good, and chilling, point: the UN recently enacted some blather or other about the necessity of getting rid of private gun ownership.

And the "citizen of the world" trying to gain the Presidency just loves the UN.

Tell them to start in Africa. When they get that done, let us know.

198 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:53pm

What's up with the hysteria?

199 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:20:54pm
200 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:38pm

re: #176 NYCHardhat

Civilian National Security Force....Truth Squads? Why do I get the feeling we are in a George Orwell Novel?

Oh just a leetle...

=^0

201 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:39pm

NO NO NO NO NO NOBAMA

take your jack boots and go on back to the south side of chicago you big dope

LEt your thugs clean up the streets there - God knows they could use it

ASSHOLE

202 FloridaAnole  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:40pm

Like all megalomaniac Commies (his endorsers Fidel and Hugo, for example), Obombo NEEDS that big Security force, to keep the population at large from tearing him and his little friends limb from limb once they come to their senses and realize what he's really about.

203 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:50pm

re: #188 saberry0530

The People's Union of LGF Hempsters has been around for quite some time.

204 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:55pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey
this; In addition to seeking to eradicate poverty, that declaration commits nations to banning "small arms and light weapons" and ratifying a series of treaties, including the International Criminal Court Treaty, the Kyoto Protocol (global warming treaty), the Convention on Biological Diversity, the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women, and the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
[Link: www.aim.org...]
The Millennium Declaration also affirms the U.N. as "the indispensable common house of the entire human family

205 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:21:58pm

re: #139 jcm

That's definitely a trigger, that happens.
Fights on.

Oh, without a doubt. We'll be doing what the Founding Fathers did.

When in the course of human events....

206 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:11pm

Hype
The Movie.

Watch the trailer.

207 Gang of One  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:16pm

So. He'll take away our guns to give to his goons?

Wrong.

208 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:35pm

re: #178 mama winger

Now wait just a doggone minute. We already have Citizen Soldiers. They are called

THE NATIONAL GUARD

But they don't all PRAISE the ONE!

209 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:39pm

re: #152 erevu

It is clearly time to start clinging more tightly to guns.

And, religion for those so inclined.

210 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:43pm

re: #173 Spiny Norman

I would really like to know how Barry intends to do that when Barney Frank has gloatingly announced the Democrats are going to cut the military by 25%.

The Navy SEALS and Army Rangers will be replaced with lesbians with PMS.

211 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:45pm

re: #170 griffon

Obama will redistribute the wealth and the CNSF will redistribute the guns. They'll take them from the good guys using that new heat weapon and give them to the badder guys whom we're now supporting with our taxes.

Community Gun Redistribution Specialist?
OCS material in the CNSF?

212 mbruce  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:51pm

Your clone army is ready Master. To protect the Republic ,right? Right?.......

213 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:22:53pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

Here's some reasonable interpretation of what he might mean ...
Funding Barack Obama's "civilian national security force."--

You may well be right, but who will train these ... uh ... community organizers? And what will they be taught?

214 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:00pm

re: #204 willowone

and; It appears the Senate version is being pushed not only by Biden and Obama, a member of the committee, but Lugar, the ranking Republican member. Lugar has worked with Obama in the past to promote more foreign aid for Russia, supposedly to stem nuclear proliferation, and has become Obama's mentor.

215 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:20pm

re: #187 mama winger

If you want to serve your country JOIN THE NATIONAL GUARD

You ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

But the National Guard is loyal to the country, not loyal to an individual. That's why The One needs a new force.

216 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:41pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

The People's Union of LGF Hempsters has been around for quite some time.

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

217 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:43pm

re: #199 taxfreekiller

#156

You need a realtor .

No doubt.

218 itellu3times  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:48pm

Gosh, what a busy day at LGF! Wish I was in it. Working, doncha know. Will be online some later.

But hey, let me just ask, a quick scan doesn't show, when 0bambi talks about this civilian force, is he talking posse comitatus, or is he talking about a nation-building civilian force for Iraq, some sort of hybrid of Halliburton, Blackwater, and Unicef?

Yeah, I know, brown shirts in pimpmobiles, and Joe Biden in a leopard-skin coat in charge of it all. That's how it will turn out. But maybe he's also talking about the nation-building one - that'd be Joe Biden in a leopard-skin coat, in Iraq.

The mind reels.

219 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:49pm

Well, the 0 has Greek columns and his own Great Seal, why not his own personal standing army? It is the first thing any good communist dictator would want.

220 Gang of One  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:23:51pm

Keep your enemies close, but your guns closer.

/Don Gangaone

221 reine.de.tout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:24:28pm

re: #208 saberry0530

But they don't all PRAISE the ONE!

Exactly!

222 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:24:28pm

re: #154 rawmuse

America is in such a horrible economic condition that it took me 10 minutes to find a parking spot at the mall today.

If you wind up a member of BHO's Minion Militia, you'll be able to have one or three towed near the door just to make room for your car.

223 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:14pm

re: #216 saberry0530

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

IS that a hamster that rolls his own?

224 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:19pm

re: #219 CapeCoddah

Well, the 0 has Greek columns and his own Great Seal, why not his own personal standing army? It is the first thing any good communist dictator would want.

well, maybe they'll be hot like qadaffi's fembots

225 gwillie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:20pm

'Civilian National Security Force' Translation = People's Army, every dictator needs one.

226 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:20pm

re: #213 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's most likely going to be an expansion on Americorps.

227 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:25pm

re: #192 Perplexed

Un-Constitutional. I wonder if this police force would resemble the veteran groups currently in Zimbabwe?

Let's play make believe:


Mugabe is to Rhodesia as Obama is to the USA.

228 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:36pm
229 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:37pm

re: #155 eric_odessit

I've heard of a security organization that technically was not military. It was called "Guard Squads", better known in the original language as "Schutz Staffel". Sorry if I made a translation mistake: I don't really speak German. But Schutz Staffel, or SS, was technically a civilian security force. And, while part of it was extensively used in combat, it did not report to the German Army.
Eric.


____________________________________
The SS was the political army of the NAZI movement. For the most part they were disliked by the regular Heer (Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Marine). The SS ranks were super loyal, fanatical NAZIs. Their ranks also included FOREIGN LEGIONS or combat divisions, who were even more fanatical.

230 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:38pm

re: #176 NYCHardhat


The life I currently live in seems to have been co-written by George Orwell, Ayn Rand, and Ogden Nash.

231 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:44pm

re: #210 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The Navy SEALS and Army Rangers will be replaced with lesbians with PMS.

Isn't there a Geneva Convention article against that?

232 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:25:52pm

re: #216 saberry0530

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

Dude.

Stoned rodent.

233 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:04pm

re: #169 thebigolddog

* Speeches in stadiums filled with mesmerized, adoring audiences - Check
* An uninspiring background before meteoric rise - Check
* Creates his own new symbols of power - Check
* Associates with racists, hatemongers and violent radicals - Check
* Believes in redistributing the wealth - Check
* A propaganda machine willing to show him only in the best possible light - Check
* Uses, "glorious leader" style Agitprop posters common in totalitarian nations - Check (see German campaign poster for example)
* Wants Secret Police force - Check
* Somebody powerful people think they can control - Check
* Often dismissed as a light-weight by his opponents - Check
* Seeks to replace God with the State - Check
* People adopting his name as their own - Check
* Inspires adoration art - Check
* Appropriates symbols of past German glory - Check
* Never plans on giving up power - Check (Obama to be president for the next “eight to 10 years”)
* A narcissistic megalomaniac - Check
* Brazenly Takes credit for other people's accomplishments - Check
* Wants to build "youth" movement through Universal National State service - Check
* Acts as if in power before he is - Check
* Some followers believe him to be divine - Check
* Worshiped and aided greatly by the media - Check
* Has his own salute - Check
* Has thuggish supporters intimdating political opponents – Check
* Using the power of the State to silence critics - Check
* Songs written to glorify him performed by children - Check

Perfect list.

234 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:18pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

It's most likely going to be an expansion on Americorps.

But it will now be called AmeriKorps.

235 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:27pm

Just got an email from Kelsey Grammar(not really).... I didn't realize he was a conservative.

236 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:31pm

re: #216 saberry0530

KT, WTF is a Hempster?

Stoner hamsters?

237 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:33pm

re: #154 rawmuse

America is in such a horrible economic condition that it took me 10 minutes to find a parking spot at the mall today.

Obama will give Handicapped placards for 95% of Americans so they can all park closer

238 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:26:40pm

re: #224 spidly

well, maybe they'll be hot like qadaffi's fembots

Well then, they won't do a thing for me!

239 Muadib  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:03pm

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

#1: The "civilian national security force" is declared "a well-regulated militia" under the Second Amendment.

#2: It gets guns.

#3: It removes the guns from everyone else.

#3 will fail miserably.

240 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:05pm

And of course the media will refuse to ask such simple questions as to why we need a civilian internal security force the size and cost of our current external security military forces! Obama has telegraphed his socialist police state he envisions as the future of America, it is time for the conservative blogs to attack relentlessly on the issue! Obama is fracken' crazy if he thinks we will stand for a socialist police state! Haaar mates! Go Charles and the LGF!

241 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:09pm
242 TaeJohnDo  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:15pm

My first thought when I saw this was "We don't have enough sugar cane to harvest to keep then busy..."

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:28pm

If Killgore is right in #184, then look to Obama's past -- to the tactics he used as a community organizer, and in the early days as a politician.

Look at his comprehension of, and application of, Saul Alinsky's doctrines of power.

It should scare the living shit out of you.

244 spirochete  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:34pm

Yeah, we won't have a $500,000,000 military. It'll be a tenth of that and that'll leave money for the civilian defense force.

245 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:37pm

This - from the guy that thinks the Constitution is too RESTRICTIVE and wants to circumvent it

Somebody wake me up from this hellish nightmare

246 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:41pm

Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Imagine ACORN volunteers armed with automatic weapons, dressed in jumpsuits with big "O"s and red stars on them, and this picture becomes clear. They better not set foot hereabouts.

You know

247 louis  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:48pm

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

248 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:49pm

re: #169 thebigolddog

Don't forget the bumper stickers.

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:27:59pm

re: #172 spidly

git ya a used mossberg 500 for 150 bucks

That might be ill advised. I live in Illinois. If I applied for a Firearms Owners Identification Card, I'd probably bump myself up on the roundup list. I'll consider it though. It depends on what happens next Tuesday. I still believe that we will see Obama defeated then.

250 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:17pm

re: #236 Spiny Norman

Stoner hamsters?

C'mon folks, we owe the hamster team better than that...It is none of our business what the hamsters do in their personal time!

251 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:24pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Imagine ACORN volunteers armed with automatic weapons, dressed in jumpsuits with big "O"s and red stars on them, and this picture becomes clear. They better not set foot hereabouts.

You know


Ghostbusters comes to mind

252 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:28pm

re: #241 taxfreekiller

skelator makes my ass want a dip of cheap snuff

Don't do it buddy, nothing's worth it.

We got your back.

253 right_on_target  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:36pm

re: #169 thebigolddog
______________________
Your list would be great for a wallet-sized handout!

254 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:37pm
255 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:43pm

re: #116 alien_mind

I'll bet what he was talking about was a national extension of the Public Allies project that he, and then later Michelle, chaired. IIRC, it was basically meant to train and "educate" a cadre of.....you guessed it.....community organizers. The trainees would be paid and would receive the same benefits as the military. They'd be sent to college and then come back home to be........you guessed it......community organizers.
Why should we spend all that money training soldiers when we can spend it training....cough, cough....community organizers?

256 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:28:45pm

re: #227 solomonpanting

Let's play make believe:


Mugabe is to Rhodesia as Obama is to the USA.

That thought is frightening. Probably the wife and I will wind up in the reeducation camps or shot on the spot for failure to display the proper respect for the ONE.

257 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:29:08pm

re: #247 louis

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

Yes, they were.

258 jaunte  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:29:17pm

re: #237 Shug

Obama will give Handicapped placards for 95% of Americans so they can all park closer

There's a Stephen Wright joke in there somewhere, but I can't get close enough to it.

259 Defector01  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:29:29pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Meet my rifle with a scope and then if you rush, meet my danish bearded axe

260 willowone  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:01pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat
don't have to look at his past, look at what they do to dissenters that embarrass him today

261 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:26pm
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set,” he said Wednesday. “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

The Department of Defense’s current base budget is close to $500 billion. So if he meant that promise, he plans on a total defense budget of about a trillion dollars.

I think I've figured out how this jibes with Barney Frank's Defense budget cut claims: half of the Pentagon's current funding will be used to create Barry's Truth Squads "Civilian National Security Force". There ya go! Equally funded!

262 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:27pm

Someone here posted a youtube video of a snippet of one of obamas speeches about this. It was and remains the thing that most disturbs me most about him. I have been trying to tell people I know about this but nobody believed me and I could never find the video again. I'm a little surprised he mentioned it. How can the idea of Obama having a private army not freak people out? Unless they think they'll be in it?

263 semper gumbi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:31pm

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

264 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:34pm

re: #226 Killgore Trout

It's most likely going to be an expansion on Americorps.

Then see my #243. Study Alinsky. Study Obama as an activist. Kurtz's articles are a good starting place.

265 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:36pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

That might be ill advised. I live in Illinois. If I applied for a Firearms Owners Identification Card, I'd probably bump myself up on the roundup list. I'll consider it though. It depends on what happens next Tuesday. I still believe that we will see Obama defeated then.

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

266 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:30:41pm

This is the part where we get to see who gets eaten last.

267 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:20pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

That might be ill advised. I live in Illinois. If I applied for a Firearms Owners Identification Card, I'd probably bump myself up on the roundup list. I'll consider it though. It depends on what happens next Tuesday. I still believe that we will see Obama defeated then.

I'm here too, got a FOID card and the guns to prove it.

I don't care if I'm on the list... I'm what used to be called a "law abiding citizen".

268 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:34pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Further to my Papa Barack post:

"The Milice de Volontaires de la Sécurité Nationale (MVSN), or (Militia of) National Security Volunteers, was commonly called the Tonton Macoutes."

269 boogereatinmoron  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:36pm

Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!

270 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:42pm
271 swamprat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:31:46pm

He's going to ;
HEAL THE NATION!
ALLELUYA!

IN SIX DAYS!

(from sam hain)

let the reader understand
272 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:14pm

re: #175 buzzsawmonkey

We just got a flier today from the NRA emphasizing the danger to the 2nd amendment coming from the UN and their pal Obama.
NRA is doing a great job this year........at least in this area.

273 Racer X  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:17pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

Axis of Weasels


Ha!

274 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:18pm

Fund site for all these goodies?

"to help every American receive a world-class education, I will create a new classroom corps" 12/05/07 Mt Vernon, Iowa

"So, when I am president, I will set a goal for all American middle and high school to perform 50 hours of community service a year, and for all college students to perform 100 hours of service a year." 12/05/07 Mt Vernon, Iowa

"Obama will also create an energy-focused Green Jobs Corps to connect disconnected and disadvantaged youth with job skills for a high-growth industry." Blueprint for Change

"We will grow the Foreign Service to renew our commitment to diplomacy. We will double the Peace Corps by it's 50th anniversary in 2011"
"Today, there are 8,000 Youthbuild slots. We'll expand that to 50,000."
12/05/07 Mt Vernon, Iowa

"I am also going to create a 5-E Youth Service Corps" 6/05/07 Hampton, VA

"Today, Ameri-corps-Our nations network of local, state, and national service programs-has 75,000 slots. As president, I will increase that to 250,000."

And let us not forget the best one! "Obama is committed to repealing the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans." Blueprint for Change.

275 CapeCoddah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:27pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

"Axis of Weasels"

Nomination for rotating title!

276 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:28pm

If you want to gauge future performance, look at past performance

Joe the Plumber
TV News reporters
Little Children propagandizing their elders


ad nauseum

277 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:29pm

re: #262 eastvillageinfidel

Only needed one 'most', but I am most disturbed! :)

278 NYCHardhat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:32:46pm

re: #265 spidly

I just got mine last week. Not taking any chances.

279 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:00pm

re: #265 spidly

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

Not in Illinois. You can't _touch_ a gun at a gun store w/o presenting the card.

280 Intrepid  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:01pm

I think the hamsters got into the "hemp", because it has just taken me 5 minutes to refresh the page after losing my "post this comment" button.

Wowsers.

281 gmsc  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:03pm

re: #247 louis

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

Video of life under Dear Leader 0bama

282 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:09pm

re: #241 taxfreekiller

skelator makes my ass want a dip of cheap snuff

WOW! A snuff enema! That is hard core to the bone!

283 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:10pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

re: #247 louis

Wasn't the Gestapo a "civilian national security force"?

Yes, they were.

So was the Stasi and their army of informers.

284 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:14pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

automatic weapons and obamatons are like crosses and vampires.

285 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:33:17pm

re: #269 boogereatinmoron

Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!
Praying and clinging!

you have to find a way to put that bitterly.

286 LoFlyer  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:07pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

What the hell do you call Obama's plan for a civilian security force the size of our external military? This is crazy and I cannot believe Obama and his advisers were stupid enough to announce the plan before election! Haar mates, attack!

287 Pvt Bin Jammin  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:24pm

Sorry to go OT. I've been seriously considering going to the "picket the LA Times" event tomorrow but I hesitate to get involved in anything unless I know who's behind it. Here is the info about it, and a big march in Washington this Saturday:[Link: www.freedommarch.org...]

I started looking for more info online about FreedomMarch.org and found this interesting "Who Is" entry. The domain is through GoDaddy and they list their address and phone as the White House. Reverse directory on the phone number really is the White House switchboard.[Link: www.who.is...]

Searching some more, through a Democratic Underground Site, I found a link to the Free Republic with a new F.R. user pushing the March with a nickname like the one over at Who Is with the White House address.[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
Most of the posters over there still don't know the person well enough to trust him.

Any thoughts or more info. It is apparently a new org.

288 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:25pm

Here is the economics of how to fund O's home security force.

Step 1: slash the military budget from $500 b to $200 b
Rationale; You no longer need a modern well equipped fighting force at the ready, overseas, when your foreign policy dictates that you are no longer going to fight wars on foreign soil.

Step 2: Take surplus $300 b and sign up anyone who wants be friends of the new administration. This will be known as the US Civilian National Security Force. It will be armed and ready to defend the citizens against any internal insurrection.
Definition of "Insurrection" : Any personm or group of persons who seek to overthrow the administration whether by action, word or thought. This includes campaigning to change the thoughts and views of those who do support the administration.

AND THEN, FINALLY;

Step 3: Electronic chips will implanted as a matter of individual protection to ensure all are treated equally and recieve equal portions of wealth, welfare, healthcare, food and protection and such program will be overseen by the US Civilian National Security Force.

289 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:34:57pm

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?

290 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:05pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

True, but he DOES intend to rewrite it.

291 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:34pm

Suddenly I realize why Obama broke his promise to his supporters and voted FOR keeping the FISA wiretaps.

292 markx  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:37pm

Civilian Defense force, Barry?

No problem, I volunteer. I'll provide my own guns, and pass out a few extras to my neighbors. You just provide the ammo.

No problem, Barry. My neighborhood is well prepared. Thank you very much.

293 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:40pm

Just in case

294 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:48pm

re: #265 spidly

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

It's Illinois, 2nd Amend free territory.

295 yah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:35:57pm

Makes me wish I still had my 120 year old cabin in NC with a root cellar underneath - the root cellar was just a big dug out hole about 6 feet square and 5 feet deep. Was for storing food in the old days. You had to pull up the rug and a couple of floor boards to get to it. Nobody but "us" even knew it was there.

296 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:36:34pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

you think taxes are at a confiscatory rate now...

297 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:02pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?

How much money ya got? Consider it the People's money, ya greedy bastid.

:^þ

298 cybermonk  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:07pm

re: #38 Noam Sayin'

we don't need no stinkin' badges

299 griffon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:23pm

re: #143 swamprat

Everybody is getting it wrong; Obama is trying to pretend that America is in a Great Depression. He needs this in order to scare the gullible. Scared people will let extreme measures get put in place to "rescue" them, if not them; the other poor sods who so desperately seem to need help. It's a lot like Madison Avenue convincing people that they need a new product.......but this product is socialism.

When Obamaniacs tell me how bad off we all are, I tell them honestly that our business was up 13% last year and is up 12% so far this year. We have been in business 18.5 years and it's a very small business - less than $750 million gross. Our business is better than it has been for 5 years. We keep waiting for it to crash, but so far it hasn't.

300 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:37:42pm

Wax head bias

Obama's is bigger

301 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:10pm

This was in one of the links up top, but it makes for mighty fine reading:

Gun Manufacturer Executive Backs Barack Obama, Watch What Happens Next:
You've been ZUMBOED!


USA Today reports:

Dan Cooper CEO of Cooper Arms, one of the elite makers of hunting rifles, is backing Barack Obama.

WASHINGTON — Dan Cooper, a proud member of the National Rifle Association, has backed Republicans for most of his life. He's the chief executive of Cooper Arms, a small Montana company that makes hunting rifles.

Cooper said he voted for George W. Bush in 2000, having voted in past elections for every Republican presidential nominee back to Richard Nixon. In October 1992, he presented a specially made rifle to the first President. Bush during a Billings campaign event.

This year, Cooper has given $3,300 to the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama. That's on top of the $1,000 check he wrote to Obama's U.S. Senate campaign in 2004, after he was dazzled by Obama's speech at that year's Democratic National Convention.

Just minutes after the USA Today broke the story on the Internet, thousands and thousands of gun owners sent angry emails, called and sent boycott letters to Cooper Arms threatening to never purchase any of their firearms again.

Just 48 hours later, this is what appeared on the company website:

In response to the recent article highlighting Dan Cooper’s personal political donations, the board of directors, shareholders and employees of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc would like to issue the following statement.

The employees, shareholders and board of directors of Cooper Firearms of Montana do not share the personal political views of Dan Cooper.

Although we all believe everyone has a right to vote and donate as they see fit, it has become apparent that the fallout may affect more than just Mr. Cooper. It may also affect the employees and the shareholders of Cooper Firearms.

The board of directors has asked Mr. Cooper to resign as President of Cooper Firearms of Montana, Inc.

Daily operations will continue with the competent staff currently in place in Stevensville, MT producing the finest, most accurate rifles money can buy.

Dan Cooper has spent all of his working life producing the highest quality rifles built here in the USA. He started with nothing but the American Dream and built that into firearms company anyone would be proud of. We firmly believe Dan stands by the 2nd amendment.
We wish him all of the best in his future pursuits.

[Link: transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com...]

302 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:26pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?


If you get sick, they shoot you.

303 rightside  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:34pm

re: #294 jcm

Heller needs to move to Chicago.

304 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:38:58pm

re: #279 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not in Illinois. You can't _touch_ a gun at a gun store w/o presenting the card.

But if you're buying a gun, how do you have an owner's card already?

305 the_flying_pig  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #112 brickthruplateglasswindow

Blasphemer! Snake Plissken never dies! He can take on Chuck Norris, give him a stare down and coolly walk away.

Heh.

306 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:03pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

Nope.

Open is a Marxist from his mama's teet.
He's on the record saying the Constitution is flawed.
His NCSF is blantantly unconstitutional.

How many countries have marxists come to power and suspend elections? Too many, it's happened before with men and followers who have the history, the ideology, the rhetoric of The Marxists One.

We've seen it happen before, not here, but elsewhere.

307 richiep  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:06pm

I'm starting to get that tingly feeling that Mathews had only it is running down my spine along with a sickening feeling in my stomach. I laughed today when two of my co-workers were talking about buying ammo and forming a militia to combat the Obama future. Why am I now thinking that their talk wasn't all that funny?

KGB, SA, SS, secret police, etc.; none of them were any good. That we are on the verge of having armed leftists walking around with ACORN themed uniforms is unsettling.

From my cold dead hands....

308 huckfunn  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:26pm

“We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.”

This force must have a name and we must name the force. Let the force naming begin...

The Malcom X Dragoons
The Barney Frank-Furters
The Gus Hall Monitors

309 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:31pm
310 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:39:55pm

Just noticed something -- it isn't JUST expanding AmeriCorps.

Obama said, "... a civilian national security force ..."

What sort of national security role does AmeriCorps have?

311 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:12pm

Gre: #288 A Kiwi Infidel
Gonna make my sons recruiting job very difficult.

312 lennysquiggy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:26pm

not sure if it has been mentioned but i just found this on Twitter:

"The filmmaker behind Obama's infomercial is Davis Guggenheim, producer of An Inconvenient Truth and Deadwood"

I thought I recognized the scent of self-serving smugness all over that infomercial. I think the difference between Barry and Perot was that Perot spoke to the people directly - he was weird and fidgety and slightly unnerving, but he was REAL and he seemed to be telling you exactly what he intended to do.

Sixteen years later, society is even more jaded and cynical about these types of things. Watching a hyper-stylized propaganda film that features Barry as the protagonist, the interviewee, the interviewer and the narrator is just not gonna fly in the YouTube era. It is going to be seen as propaganda by the middle and the undecideds.

313 El Lizardo mejicano  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:31pm

re: #262 eastvillageinfidel

Someone here posted a youtube video of a snippet of one of obamas speeches about this. It was and remains the thing that most disturbs me most about him. I have been trying to tell people I know about this but nobody believed me and I could never find the video again. I'm a little surprised he mentioned it. How can the idea of Obama having a private army not freak people out? Unless they think they'll be in it?


Here: [Link: hotair.com...]

314 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:40pm

Is this even Constitutional?

315 markx  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:44pm

re: #301 The Archivist

BWHAHAHAHA!

316 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:45pm

re: #246 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Obama's 'Civilian National Security Force'

Imagine ACORN volunteers armed with automatic weapons, dressed in jumpsuits with big "O"s and red stars on them, and this picture becomes clear. They better not set foot hereabouts.

You know

Or Code Pink wackos.

317 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:40:57pm

re: #78 saberry0530

BRING IT ON MOTHER FUC*&^$!

Sorry to disillusion you mate but the power of the State against one man (at a time) .... the State ALWAYS wins.

Don't throw your life away needlessly organize and 'white ant' the bastards from the inside.

318 jorline  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:41:09pm

re: #272 wolfie

We just got a flier today from the NRA emphasizing the danger to the 2nd amendment coming from the UN and their pal Obama.
NRA is doing a great job this year........at least in this area.

No one said it any better...

Youtube Video

319 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:41:14pm

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

320 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:41:40pm

bbl

321 Timbre  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:04pm

I've basically stated on several occasions that I am a federal employee. I am so glad I am eligible to retire in less than two years. If , if Barack Obama is elected President, I will not be able to ignore my conscience for 4 years. Every day I tell myself, "just do your job, don't be stupid, and keep your mouth shut unless policy requires that you open it." Man, do I hope McCain wins. If not, I hope I can stomach about 18 months under an Obama Administration. (shivers)

322 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:31pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

according to the judges he'd appoint : absolutely. (as long as a democrat is in office)


If Bush did this, can you imagine

323 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:42pm

re: #303 rightside

Heller needs to move to Chicago.

Yeah, I think suits based on Heller are underway.

324 solomonpanting  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:42:56pm

Greek staging-----------------------$5 million
Campaign Spending------------------$700 million
Civilian National Security Force-------$500 billion

A McCain win------------------------Priceless

325 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:02pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

Trolls and mobys.

326 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:19pm

re: #265 spidly

WTF is a Firearms Owners Identification Card? you can't just go buy a gun?

Get used to it mate. I have to carry a Firearms license at all times. It was a bitch to get one too. Took 3 months and 3 interviews including two referees and my wife all of whom has a veto over my getting one!

Such is the Socialist way!


Just don't let it happen!

327 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:42pm
328 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:46pm

re: #309 buzzsawmonkey

What would it take to repeal the 22nd Amendment? Fortunately, I don't think the Democrats control enough state legislatures, at least not now.

329 V5  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:43:51pm

Here come the Jack Booted-Brown Shirts.

330 BlueCanuck  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:01pm

re: #156 ciaospirit

Nah, they were "redistributing the wealth".

/sorry about your sons car.

331 saberry0530  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:13pm

HUMM, new comment button blanked. Whats up? FF 3.0, XP

332 Ojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:20pm

Sounds like a Praetorian Guard to me.

Obama is nuts.

Anyway here's
Dusk on the San Gabriel Mountains. (The Towercam)

BBL

333 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:29pm

re: #322 Shug

If Bush did this, can you imagine


omg

334 Jim D  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:44:52pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

Since when has the Constitution stopped our government from doing what's 'best' for us?

335 KathyP  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:16pm

The first thing that came to mind when I read this was thinking back to Revolutionary times when the Brits parked a soldier in every colonist's home to squelch dissent against the Crown. Scary then, just as scary now. Especially when done under the guise of securing our country, and with an outlandish budget, no less. Maybe even way more scary now that I think about it.

336 buckykat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:22pm

re: #287 Pvt Bin Jammin

I found out about the demonstration on a puma blog. I don't know anything about the people who organized it. I'm also thinking of going.

337 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:26pm

re: #322 Shug

according to the judges he'd appoint : absolutely. (as long as a democrat is in office)


If Bush did this, can you imagine

Imagine a Lynne Stewart on the Court.

338 alien_mind  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:28pm

where does this guy get off with the lectures to all of us about spreading the wealth and taking care of each other?
He is a multi-millionaire, and he has an Aunt in Boston living in a slum, and a brother in Kenya living in a shack on like $1 a month.
What a freakin hypocrite.

339 markx  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:37pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

I say, throw the women and children first. They always slow us down.

340 M. Bensson-Levi  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:41pm

re: #259 Defector01

Meet my rifle with a scope and then if you rush, meet my danish bearded axe

Just in case anyone's curious.

341 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:47pm

re: #326 Aussie Infidel

Get used to it mate. I have to carry a Firearms license at all times. It was a bitch to get one too. Took 3 months and 3 interviews including two referees and my wife all of whom has a veto over my getting one!

Such is the Socialist way!


Just don't let it happen!

I have a mini-arsenal and will not get any such card

342 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:45:50pm

re: #311 saberry0530

G
Gonna make my sons recruiting job very difficult.

My kid is supposed to re-up in March.

343 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:05pm

re: #337 jcm

Imagine a Lynne Stewart on the Court.

david Souther would be soooo jealous of her facial hair

344 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:26pm

re: #213 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You may well be right, but who will train these ... uh ... community organizers? And what will they be taught?

I don't think Killgore's right. Here's more.

Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

Barack Obama was a founding member of the board of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife became executive director of the Chicago chapter of Public Allies in 1993. Obama plans to use the nonprofit group, which he features on his campaign Web site, as the model for a national service corps. He calls his Orwellian program, "Universal Voluntary Public Service."

But its real mission is to radicalize American youth and use them to bring about "social change" through threats, pressure, tension and confrontation — the tactics used by the father of community organizing, Saul "The Red" Alinsky.

"Our alumni are more than twice as likely as 18-34 year olds to . . . engage in protest activities," Public Allies boasts in a document found with its tax filings. It has already deployed an army of 2,200 community organizers like Obama to agitate for "justice" and "equality" in his hometown of Chicago and other U.S. cities, including Cincinnati, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, New York, Phoenix, Pittsburgh and Washington. "I get to practice being an activist," and get paid for it, gushed Cincinnati recruit Amy Vincent.
...
Public Allies promotes "diversity and inclusion," a program paper says. More than 70% of its recruits are "people of color." When they're not protesting, they're staffing AIDS clinics, handing out condoms, bailing criminals out of jail and helping illegal aliens and the homeless obtain food stamps and other welfare.

345 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:26pm

Just watch this.
I'm not making any comparison.
You decide what you want.
But it creeped me out.

346 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:35pm

Y'all all know what you need to do to prevent all of these things from happening under an Obama Presidency?


Get off your duffs, vote for McCain, and encourage your friends and relatives to do the same.

347 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:46pm

re: #327 taxfreekiller

Little Winger goes back in January. Can I come stay with you?

/ only a little

348 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:49pm

GestapObama.

349 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:46:56pm

I watch tv with the remote firmly clasped and thumb poised ready. If a political ad by either side is aired....click , it's gone. Imagine my surprise when I sat through an entire ad and then ran over and high fived the screen.

Scene 1: The chocolate messiah explaining why he no longer wears a flag pin.
Scene 2: Bambi on a stage with his hands clasped over his fly as the national anthem plays.
Scene 3: Voice over explaining how the 0 went to a church for 20 years
Cue video of Jerimiah proclaiming "G-d Damn America.
Scene 4: To tell the truth, I don't remember what it was, I was so pissed.
Guy in a jacket and tie says
" America's not good enough for Barak Obama. Barak Obama is not good enough for America"

Sponsered by a PAC, not the McCain Campaign. Damn good ad IMHO.

350 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:01pm

re: #304 arethusa

But if you're buying a gun, how do you have an owner's card already?

You can send in the paperwork at any of those title joints you see. Fill out a form, pay your $10 or whatever it is... in a few weeks, you'll get it in the mail and be authorized access to your 2n Amendment rights. (Sort of)

351 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:39pm

re: #286 LoFlyer

What the hell do you call Obama's plan for a civilian security force the size of our external military? This is crazy and I cannot believe Obama and his advisers were stupid enough to announce the plan before election! Haar mates, attack!

Just to be right about it, I think we need to take it in context. Read my #274. These are items he has stated all along he believes as being just as important as national defense. Although he stated: "We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," he said Wednesday. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded." He goes on in the next few paragraphs to list those items in my post #274. He isn't talking about an alternative militia. He is erroneously putting high school volunteer hours as being critical to our national security as the military it sounds like. Just his normal rhetoric.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:51pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

Pack the SCOTUS with Leftoid Justices and they will MAKE it Constitutional.

353 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:47:55pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

I went into "My Account" and turned off the show-avatar icon function. I still have to reload much of the time, because New Comments just spins and spins, but the page loads a lot faster.

354 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:18pm

Brad Lidge just got the jinx from Joe Buck

355 loggiedog  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:31pm

Civilian National Security Force sounds like the KGB or something-- I mean basically a police force enforcing Socialist politically correct policies by force. Scary.

356 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:39pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

All of you people who keep blathering on about a "President" Obama doing away with elections and making himself "President" for life sound exactly like the moonbats we all love to ridicule on this board! Remember, the moonbats said the same thing before the 2004 elections and before this election about President Bush.
It's. not. going. to. happen.
Despite what you believe, Obama wouldn't have the power to completely dump the Constitution, even with the Axis of Weasels Pelosi and Reid running Congress.

I agree. The military and USSS are sworn to protect the Constitution, and I have faith they'd do that.

357 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:48:55pm

A complete waste

Why create an entire new force structure when none is needed?

The US has 4 lines of defense- the regular armed forces, the most powerful military in the world and unbeaten in a major battle in almost 60 years. Then we have the national guard, which are an extension of the army called up as needed. Then there are the US police forces 200,000+ officers nationwide. They also have the power to deputize and call up civilians in case of an emergency. Finally there is the militia. That consists of the armed citizenry and numbers some real asskickers like AmericanSoldier, Iron Fist and just about anyone from Texas. In order to even be able to fight the last line you would have had to have defeated the first three, kids America is over then anyway.

What enemy can this force fight? Why spend so much effort to divide resources from an existing military that is already quite expensive?

A force equal to the US military is an unbelievable amount of firepower. it can ONLY be used against the citizenry. There are no enemies here to fight except Al Franken, and he is not very tough. Worse, from a legal perspective, is that these new units will be deployed to the sovereign states of the union and, since some governors are not democrats, will not be under State control. The constitution has this amazing concept called the bill of rights and the 9th and 10th amendments almost certainly prohibit placing an army in any state without that state's permission.

I know Gordie Howe is training thousands of left wingers to skate down the freeways this winter to conquest the Northeast and Midwest but I think we might be able to handle the threat without a new Armed service. The sheer absurdity of this force and Obama's repeated calls for its creation should set off alarm bells. This will either defund our existing military, a rash and dangerous course of action given the realities of the world we live in or it is an overt effort to be able to back up coercive laws against the people, or both!

The only benign explanation for this Obama is trying to say he will do something he never really intends to implement to seem strong on domestic security.

Otherwise, no good can come from this. It is an unconstitutional overreach of federal power, unnecessary, if abused, threatens our liberty and costs too much for no appreciable gain in security at the cost of money for the real military. Creating this force provides future Presidents with the ability to take arms against America, that is 100% at variance with the principles and purpose of our government. It is tyranny waiting to happen and yet one more reason for Obama to never be President. I will fight this to my dying breath.

358 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:49:09pm
359 Shug  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:49:29pm

re: #355 loggiedog

Civilian National Security Force sounds like the KGB or something-- I mean basically a police force enforcing Socialist politically correct policies by force. Scary.

The Fruit of Islam will fit the bill quite nicely

360 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:49:47pm

re: #353 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I went into "My Account" and turned off the show-avatar icon function. I still have to reload much of the time, because New Comments just spins and spins, but the page loads a lot faster.

Thanks! I'll try that!

361 Promethea  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:07pm

re: #14 doppelganglander

GMTA! I lived in Spain, where they have La Guardia Civil (basically a national paramilitary police force). Those are some scary dudes. I think Italy has something similar.

I saw some members of the Tonton Macoute once. Talk about scary dudes!

362 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:11pm

re: #313 El Lizardo mejicano

Thanks! Bookmarked for future use in arguments and conversion attempts! :)

363 tracon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:12pm

this was suggested by Thomas Barnett awhile ago
check out his presentation to get a better idea of what this would mean.

Youtube Video

Not sure if this is what he means by this.

Oh and Posse Comitatus was violated by Bush a few years ago there is an army unit trained just for crowd control here in the US. 3rd Infantry Division is under control of NorthCom and is being trained for action here in the US mostly crowd control stuff from what i have heard

I don't agree or disagree just wanted to put out some info.

364 Spiny Norman  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:13pm

re: #314 Sharmuta

Is this even Constitutional?

If the Dems manage to pack the Court, anything can be Constitutional. See my #290

"Interpreting" the Constitution is the greatest threat from an Obama presidency.

365 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:14pm

re: #289 Sharmuta

How the hell is he going to fund this AND national healthcare?

The healthcare will be crap.

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:18pm
367 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:27pm

re: #317 Aussie Infidel

Sorry to disillusion you mate but the power of the State against one man (at a time) .... the State ALWAYS wins.

Don't throw your life away needlessly organize and 'white ant' the bastards from the inside.

Not quite. The point of the 2nd Amendment is that there will be millions of us, not one man. It is brilliantly set up so that the individual can't be a threat to the state, but if the state does something so extreme as to cause a very large number of the citizens to take up arms, they can keep the state in line.

368 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:33pm

re: #304 arethusa

But if you're buying a gun, how do you have an owner's card already?

Do you need a card to buy a gun there or just to buy a gun from a dealer? I've bought quite a few guns at the truck stops when the drivers get to playing that video poker. In Georgia, no card needed for those transactions.

369 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:50:55pm

This really frightens me, and I too will fight it. Remember, too, he said something about reinstating national service.

370 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:51:24pm

re: #358 buzzsawmonkey

What you are forgetting is that we are dealing with somebody whose views of the actual Constitution and laws start from a place that is way off the charts ....

Precisely.

371 Bobibutu  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:51:28pm

re: #349 lummox

I watch tv with the remote firmly clasped and thumb poised ready. If a political ad by either side is aired....click , it's gone. Imagine my surprise when I sat through an entire ad and then ran over and high fived the screen.

Scene 1: The chocolate messiah explaining why he no longer wears a flag pin.
Scene 2: Bambi on a stage with his hands clasped over his fly as the national anthem plays.
Scene 3: Voice over explaining how the 0 went to a church for 20 years
Cue video of Jerimiah proclaiming "G-d Damn America.
Scene 4: To tell the truth, I don't remember what it was, I was so pissed.
Guy in a jacket and tie says
" America's not good enough for Barak Obama. Barak Obama is not good enough for America"

Sponsered by a PAC, not the McCain Campaign. Damn good ad IMHO.

Which PAC? Is it youtubed yet? Sounds great. Worthy of viral status.

372 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:02pm

re: #352 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pack the SCOTUS with Leftoid Justices and they will MAKE it Constitutional.

They'd still have to get through the Senate.

373 Griffon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:18pm

re: #312 lennysquiggy

not sure if it has been mentioned but i just found this on Twitter:

"The filmmaker behind Obama's infomercial is Davis Guggenheim, producer of An Inconvenient Truth and Deadwood"

Sixteen years later, society is even more jaded and cynical about these types of things. Watching a hyper-stylized propaganda film that features Barry as the protagonist, the interviewee, the interviewer and the narrator is just not gonna fly in the YouTube era. It is going to be seen as propaganda by the middle and the undecideds.

Plus it was BORING.

374 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:33pm

re: #341 spidly

I have a mini-arsenal and will not get any such card

What state?

375 Archimedes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:35pm

He said this again in his infomercial? I didn't listen to it.

I thought the first might have been a mistake, but apparently he was not misquoted. This idea is insane and damned well dangerous.

376 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:41pm
377 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:46pm

re: #369 goddessoftheclassroom

{goddess}
MWAH!

Did you see my "fly on nose" picture this afternoon?

378 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:52:58pm

re: #369 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm frightened too. We must work and pray.

{gotc}

379 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:04pm

re: #262 eastvillageinfidel

Someone here posted a youtube video of a snippet of one of obamas speeches about this. It was and remains the thing that most disturbs me most about him. I have been trying to tell people I know about this but nobody believed me and I could never find the video again. I'm a little surprised he mentioned it. How can the idea of Obama having a private army not freak people out? Unless they think they'll be in it?

Here's a video of Obama speaking about it.

380 wolfie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:19pm

re: #263 semper gumbi

Of course. It will be NICE. No one is going to do away with elections! Doesn't Chicago have elections? Sure, ACORN and Co. will have full rein, and campaign finance laws will be enforce by the Party, and only the Party. And the Party will make sure that the media coverage of elections is just as fair as it has been in this elections, too! Except for all that racism and hate speech on talk radio and blogs. The Human Rights Commissions will handle those.

The Constitution? "The Constitution is whatever 5 of us say it is."- Harry Blackmun. Deconstruction! Can't be governed by the hand of dead white slave-holding males! The Constitution can mean anything you want it to mean. FOUR judges can't read the plain language of the 2nd amendment. All we need is one more.

But no. No jackboots. It will be nice. The veneer of democracy and constitutionalism will be there. The substance will be....euthanized.

381 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:21pm

re: #329 V5

Hey, Michelle can outfit them from the J. Crew on-line store...except we'll have to call them: "Classic Lace Up Weekend Ranger Boots in Dark Straw - Hazelnut Chino Workshirters"

382 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:47pm

re: #363 tracon

this was suggested by Thomas Barnett awhile ago
check out his presentation to get a better idea of what this would mean.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Not sure if this is what he means by this.

Oh and Posse Comitatus was violated by Bush a few years ago there is an army unit trained just for crowd control here in the US. 3rd Infantry Division is under control of NorthCom and is being trained for action here in the US mostly crowd control stuff from what i have heard

I don't agree or disagree just wanted to put out some info.

Ummmm, yeah, I'm going to have to see some background on that. And I'm going to need those TPS reports tomorrow, OK? That'd be great.

383 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:50pm

re: #366 buzzsawmonkey

Bernardine Dohrn is a lawyer.

was, right? I thought she had been disbarred the equiv and was working in daddies firm in some other function when she probably met the angry female Obama

384 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:53:56pm

re: #377 pre-Boomer Marine brat

{goddess}
MWAH!

Did you see my "fly on nose" picture this afternoon?

MWAH!
Please repost!

385 Gearhead  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:04pm

Civilian Defense Force - Oh, like People's Army.

BTW, what will a gun-hating Democrat administration arm them with, loyalty oaths?

386 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:15pm

re: #374 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

What state?

Oregon

387 zombie  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:16pm

In case anyone's interested:

Remember my essay yesterday about Obama and the Weather Underground? Remember how tantalizing yet incomplete and somewhat disappointing it seemed?

Well, erase that memory from your mind!

Because I have now just finished an extensive and thorough revision of the entire thing! Every suggestion for improving it that everyone made to me was implemented; dozens and dozens of new jaw-dropping links added; and an entirely new last section that completely changes the whole tenor of the report. All those things that you wish I had done are now there.

Anyway, I highly recommend taking a fresh look at it! :

Barack Obama’s Close Encounter with the Weather Underground

388 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:23pm

re: #372 Sharmuta

They'd still have to get through the Senate.

With a Dem majority easy enough to overcome. Too many minority Republicans, now and in the past, reach across the aisle to show they can play fair.

389 CIA Reject  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:28pm

re: #365 Hobbes

The healthcare will be crap.

Most health care consumers are older people. Older people are closer to the end of their lives than younger people. Therefore expending healthcare resources on old people is inefficient and wasteful so it will be withheld.

Welcome to Government administered healthcare!

...and Soylent Green for all...

390 coquimbojoe  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:43pm

re: #349 lummox

Don't call him the 'Chocolate Messiah'. I doesn't help.

391 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:54:55pm

re: #319 mama winger

Is there stuff we could throw overboard to help the hamsters row faster?

I'd just encourage the hamsters by reminding them that my mother has a pair of cats who'd love to have them for dinner.

392 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:07pm

re: #384 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!
Please repost!

Just for you!

393 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:35pm

re: #341 spidly

I have a mini-arsenal and will not get any such card

Again sorry to disillusion you but in the real world of state Power that just means that they would have to use a larger truck to haul it all away!

Enough of these BS last stand dramas running through your collective heads.

'Ain't going to happen'

These Socialists are NOT stupid. They will just quietly and slowly take a little bit of freedom away every day. nothing radical to 'scare the horses' until you wake up one day and remember the time when your used to be free.


That's how this works folks. I know. I live it everyday!


So enough of the Hollywood heroics and 'prising my gun from my cold dead fingers' rhetoric.

It's just that Rhetoric in the end.

Time to smarten up and use your brains to undermine these bottom dwellers. Once they have the resources of the State behind them you are just cannon fodder who will be vilified in death and mocked in life.

Play smart and don't get mad ... get even!

394 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:37pm

re: #386 spidly

Oregon

Crap... too far for a drive.

395 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:39pm

re: #302 Shug

If you get sick, they shoot you.

LOL

396 The Archivist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:42pm

re: #329 V5

Here come the Jack Booted-Brown Shirts.

Have always wished I could relocate a quote I saw in the mid to late 1980s in the Hillsdale College newsletter Imprimis. It was something to the effect that when the jack boots come marching down the street again, they won't be worn by conservatives. Wish I knew who had been so prescient. Wish I had the rest of that article today.

That said, I have confidence that this will turn out alright.

397 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:45pm
398 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:55:51pm

re: #380 wolfie

In Chicago, the machines are rigged and they stuff unwanted ballots in the cellars.

Fair elections. yah

399 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:00pm

re: #369 goddessoftheclassroom

GotC, please add my grandson Griffin and his parents to the big prayer list. He is having open-heart surgery tomorrow. They are anticipating 8 hours in surgery and two weeks in the hospital.

400 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:09pm

re: #368 Outrider

Do you need a card to buy a gun there or just to buy a gun from a dealer? I've bought quite a few guns at the truck stops when the drivers get to playing that video poker. In Georgia, no card needed for those transactions.

To even hold a gun in Illinois, you need that card. Otherwise it's a felony.

401 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:46pm

re: #326 Aussie Infidel

Get used to it mate. I have to carry a Firearms license at all times. It was a bitch to get one too. Took 3 months and 3 interviews including two referees and my wife all of whom has a veto over my getting one!

Such is the Socialist way!


Just don't let it happen!

WA is a "shall issue" State, apply for a concealed pistol permit and unless you have a disqualifying record, the state issues.

For those with out a permit, pistols 5 day wait, long guns walk out with them.

402 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:56:55pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

Oh my. I'll pray tonight.

403 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:17pm

re: #387 zombie

Hey, kid!
(almost everyone will be a "kid" when you get to my age!)

Saw that this morning (5AM).
I'll check out the revision.
Great work!
*salute*

404 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:39pm

re: #392 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Just for you!

LOL! Back at ya!

405 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:46pm
406 Promethea  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:57:52pm

re: #72 Spellcheck

Dennis Miller said on O'Reilly - mostly about the way the campaign mocked Joe the Plumber, but not entirely - that for the last fortnight, he's gotten a really creepy vibe, and thinks others are feeling the same way.

I definitely have that creepy vibe. I hope that I'm exaggerating the threat. I'd rather be wrong than right in my predictions. However, it's just too easy, if power is concentrated, to set up the kinds of organizations being discussed above. The NOI and various other toughs are ready and waiting.

407 ciaospirit  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:03pm

re: #364 Spiny Norman

If the Dems manage to pack the Court, anything can be Constitutional. See my #290

"Interpreting" the Constitution is the greatest threat from an Obama presidency.

Mark Levin played over and over again last night on his show a clip of Obama stating that the Constitution is "flawed" and how it is flawed, at length. It made me cringe. And he wants to take an oath to uphold the Constitution.

408 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:10pm

re: #400 Dark_Falcon

To even hold a gun in Illinois, you need that card. Otherwise it's a felony.

wonder why y'all have a sky high murder rate

409 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:16pm

OLDLINETEXAN my thoughts and prayers are with your family.

410 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:32pm

re: #383 spidly

was, right? I thought she had been disbarred the equiv and was working in daddies firm in some other function when she probably met the angry female Obama

You don't have to be a lawyer to be on the Supreme Court.

411 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:42pm

re: #354 Shug

Brad Lidge just got the jinx from Joe Buck

Didn't work - Phils win!

412 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:51pm

Phillies win/

It shoulda been the cubs

413 yah  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:55pm

re: #327 taxfreekiller
I lived like that fro ten years when I was young - except for the guns.
It was actually fun. I loved the freedom. Woke up in a different place almost every day.

spell check too slow

414 Perplexed  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:58:59pm

re: #391 Dark_Falcon

Cat driven hamsters? Bwahahahahaha

415 redinla  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:01pm

Congrats, Phillies.

416 Hobbes  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:08pm

Phillys WIN!

417 Iron Fist  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:24pm

re: #152 erevu

Lock and Load! Come and take it!

Nothing good will come of this. If we're very lucky, it will be a total waste of $500 billion. At the worst, Obama builds a Waffen SS all for him. Obama hangs out with a crowd that at one time contemplated the mass murder of some 25 million people.

It's not paranoia when they really are coming after you.

418 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:27pm

re: #404 goddessoftheclassroom

LOL! Back at ya!

LOL!
MWAH!

419 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:30pm

I hope we have baseball in the gulag

420 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 6:59:58pm

Which PAC? Is it youtubed yet? Sounds great. Worthy of viral status.

Searched youtube , couldn't find it.

421 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:02pm

re: #408 spidly

wonder why y'all have a sky high murder rate

Of course, only the criminals have guns (in theory) and they see the rest of us as sheep.

/There are exceptions to the rule.

422 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:16pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

GotC, please add my grandson Griffin and his parents to the big prayer list. He is having open-heart surgery tomorrow. They are anticipating 8 hours in surgery and two weeks in the hospital.

(OldLineTexan)
Done.

423 ClosetConservative  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:42pm

Folks,

While Obama is one creepy dude, it really only discredits us when we state outright that he's going to take over the country and do away with election. Yes, his special paramilitary force is suspicious and potentially very dangerous, but there are a million more immediately understandable reasons to vote for him. The fact of the matter is that many people have already made up their minds. We need to go for the low-information voter, the one who'll vote on a face and a slogan.

424 Infidel_One  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:00:52pm

Just in case the unthinkable happens

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/index.asp

425 Daisy  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:00pm

Will he be reinstating the draft?

426 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:05pm

re: #419 mama winger

I hope we have baseball in the gulag

We had this discussion already Comrade, it will be verboten.

427 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:14pm

re: #399 OldLineTexan

GotC, please add my grandson Griffin and his parents to the big prayer list. He is having open-heart surgery tomorrow. They are anticipating 8 hours in surgery and two weeks in the hospital.

He, they and you have mine.

428 jcm  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:22pm

re: #417 Iron Fist

Lock and Load! Come and take it!

Nothing good will come of this. If we're very lucky, it will be a total waste of $500 billion. At the worst, Obama builds a Waffen SS all for him. Obama hangs out with a crowd that at one time contemplated the mass murder of some 25 million people.

It's not paranoia when they really are coming after you.


The mass murder of 25 million is tougher than they think when those 25 million are armed and will not surrender.

429 erisldysnomia  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:37pm
he’s planning a “civilian national security force” that is as powerful and well-funded as the US military: Obama outlines plan for national service.

I note a lot of jokes about this.

This is not a laughing matter.

"I get a bad feeling about this" is more appropriate.

430 Fried Spam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:44pm

Hi there! This is a tangent, but does anyone else around here get the FactCheck.org emails? Has anyone else noticed that they seem to be mainly correcting the things against Obama, and not anything against McCain?

431 spidly  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:57pm

re: #401 jcm

WA is a "shall issue" State, apply for a concealed pistol permit and unless you have a disqualifying record, the state issues.

For those with out a permit, pistols 5 day wait, long guns walk out with them.

5 day? no wait in oregon.
I have yet to go and get my $65 chl from washington, but then I only venture into vancouver to eat at el presidente and catch a movie about once every 2-3 months. got my FL permit.

432 mama winger  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:01:59pm

re: #423 ClosetConservative

Folks,

While Obama is one creepy dude, it really only discredits us when we state outright that he's going to take over the country and do away with election. Yes, his special paramilitary force is suspicious and potentially very dangerous, but there are a million more immediately understandable reasons to vote for him. The fact of the matter is that many people have already made up their minds. We need to go for the low-information voter, the one who'll vote on a face and a slogan.

If you're fifteen, I'll eat my cat.

433 wee fury  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:02:10pm

Hooray, Phillies! Will this win impact the election, I wonder.

434 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:02:25pm

re: #367 Vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Not quite. The point of the 2nd Amendment is that there will be millions of us, not one man. It is brilliantly set up so that the individual can't be a threat to the state, but if the state does something so extreme as to cause a very large number of the citizens to take up arms, they can keep the state in line.

I'm sure you understand the term

DEFEAT IN DETAIL


There will be no spontaneous uprising. Folks think they have far too much (materially) to lose. Just as long as the Obamination takes his time and 'cooks the frog' slowly one degree at a time, folks will stay separate and vulnerable as individuals.

Also remember that to organize and call to rise up against the State is sedition and will be dealt with incrementally case by case until the 'rest' are cowered. Such is the modern electronically overseen society!

435 OldLineTexan  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:02:30pm

re: #409 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

OLDLINETEXAN my thoughts and prayers are with your family.

Thanks to you and mamawinger and my Lizard buds here. We have actually been awaiting this day since about two hours after he was born in January. It's anticlimactic in a weird way.

436 Peter_P  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:07pm

We had those in Poland during the Socialist/Communist times. They were called ZOMO and were the most despised security force.

Here is some info on ZOMO translated by Google:

Bloody events "of the Poznan June" 1956, during which workers of the Cegielski factory demonstrated against the establishment. The use of troops and militias armed with firearms, have highlighted the leadership of PZPR (Polish Communist Party) need to establish a compact, mobile branches militia, ready for use at any time, appropriately trained and armed. New militias set up command of the Commander in Chief Gen. Richard MO Dobieszaka of 24 December 1956, received the name Motorized Formations of Civic Militia. From now on ZOMO had become synonymous with the most hated tools of repression in Poland.

The Poles called ZOMO in terms such as "zomole", "zomici" or simply "Gestapo".

Initially, the officers were in uniform ZOMO ordinary militia uniforms, additional equipment were only rubber batons and metal helmets military wz.41/50 painted in gray-blue color.

For the first time ZOMO appeared throughout the splendor in the streets of cities in Poland 20 January 1957, on the day of elections to the Sejm. It was a real show of force - the streets of cities and towns were filled with trucks (mostly borrowed from the Corps of Homeland Security and the army), in which sat armed with automatic weapons ZOMO.

They were usually used to disperse crowds and demonstrations.

437 lummox  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:10pm

re: #390 coquimbojoe

It helps me.

438 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:16pm

re: #408 spidly

wonder why y'all have a sky high murder rate

I don't wonder. Too many Dems here. And a state GOP that cannot figure out what it stands for. Still, in 2010 we'll have a good shot at the governor's mansion. And with luck Obama will still be in the Senate, so I may get the joy of watching him lose again.

439 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:27pm

re: #428 jcm

The mass murder of 25 million is tougher than they think when those 25 million are armed and will not surrender.

Mass murder of 25 million wolverines ... heh.

/throw in a several million pumas, too

440 arethusa  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:28pm

re: #419 mama winger

I hope we have baseball in the gulag

They have baseball in Cuba, we should definitely have it in the gulag!

441 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:03:32pm

re: #42 gmsc

OT: PALIN ROARS!... Attacks Obama & LAT On Khalidi Tape-- "If There's a Pulitzer for Excellence in Kowtowing- The LAT Is Winning!"

OMG! She's a rogue! She's off script!

Thank goodness for Sarah Palin.

442 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:04:31pm

I'm having nightmare images of flabby belligerent KosKids covered with cheeto dust and reeking of stale beer fantasizing about what they can do with their state issued weapons. And that's the best case scenario.

443 NoSpam  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:04:58pm

The worst part about this all is that in spite of the obviously Nazi-esque undertones of BHO's proposal, is that how many people in this country simply don't get it.

I mean, this should be basic knowledge, but it isn't. What is it going to take for these people to wake the hell up?

i wonder how many of the proto-hippie young people would still vote for him if they realized he wanted to reinstate the draft too? Oh, wait....

I think they call it 'willful ignorance'

444 Outrider  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:10pm

re: #363 tracon

this was suggested by Thomas Barnett awhile ago
check out his presentation to get a better idea of what this would mean.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]
Not sure if this is what he means by this.

Oh and Posse Comitatus was violated by Bush a few years ago there is an army unit trained just for crowd control here in the US. 3rd Infantry Division is under control of NorthCom and is being trained for action here in the US mostly crowd control stuff from what i have heard

I don't agree or disagree just wanted to put out some info.

Where do you find a link stating 3d Inf Div is subordinate to Northern Command? Northern Command has almost no organic units permanently assigned to it.

3d Inf Div has one brigade trained for crowd/riot control. So what? The entire National Guard and Army Reserves have always received specific training in those areas.

What was the Posse Comitatus violation you are referring to? The last time troops were used in this regard was 1968, I think. In Detroit.

445 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:18pm
446 jamgarr  Wed, Oct 29, 2008 7:05:26pm