The paulians may never give up.

This sould be good.

Mornin' y'all.

Rats. I just wanted this accepted by the Supreme court to generate some supreme theatre.

Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, Troofers are from stupid.

Hi, Kim!

Ha,
all a big government conspiracy!
/
...and a great new thread opportunity for me to show off my new atavar!

re: #6 SteveC

Supposed to get about 22 inches of snow by tomorrow night.

re: #5 MrSilverDragon

Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, Troofers are from stupid.

STOP!

Everyone can just go home. Everything that needs to be said was in that one sentence.

re: #7 2by2

Ha,
all a big government conspiracy!
/
...and a great new thread opportunity for me to show off my new atavar!

Nice!

And by the way, the kooks have a name for sane people who want nothing to do with their nuttery: “anti-Constitution.” Isn’t that lovely?

Oh, come on! Disagreeing with them means we're against the Constitution?! Where does this stop, you creeps?

As the saying goes, the party in power is arrogant and the party out of power is insane.

At present it is the right that is out of power.

I'm beginning to think that these people think their burnt toast is a government conspiracy.

I knew this was coming. Can we but this to bed now together with leave it to beaver?

re: #4 vxbush

Rats. I just wanted this accepted by the Supreme court to generate some supreme theatre.

Not me! I am thrilled by this.

re: #15 Dianna

Not me! I am thrilled by this.

And why is that, pray tell.

Pamela sez...

. But hey, I say keep filing those lawsuits. One of 'em is going to stick. And for now? All I can say is, he's not my President.

Heh.

re: #10 VegasRick

thx, just in case you're wondering what these are:
A flight of IDF F-18's super hornets. (searched 3 hours straight Sat night to find 'em) Seems to be the perfect illustration for my nic.

Well this comes as such, such a shock! I am just sooo astounded...I'm speechless...

It's just gonna be a weird 4 years.

I hope Obama's learning curve from naivete to, I hope, competence, is steep.

Towercam is on the fritz.

Here is the Old Faithful web cam. Cold there. Maybe it will go off while you are watching.

Good Morning.

Blegh, idiocy is indefatigable at times.

Luap Nor! Luap NOr! RuAp LoR!

The troof is out there...

// it's in Dennis Kucinich's basement

but..but..but...Obama himself said he was'nt born here! He said he was born on krypton and not in Hawaii! I heard it myself!
/

re: #7 2by2

Ha,
all a big government conspiracy!
/
...and a great new thread opportunity for me to show off my new atavar!

Okay, you inspired me. But I went a different route. New avatar for me for the holidays.

Next comes the chants for another tea party or a Con Con.

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Pamela's insane, IMHO. She gets in bed with eurofascists and their sympathizers, and then plays the troofer game with this. She jumped the shark a long time ago.

Atlas shurgged when he saw her blog.

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Pamela sez...

Heh.

Not to sure how to read Pamela. Some stuff she writes is good and in depth. Most lately has been way OTT.

Now can we get the kooks who continue to post the links on LGF supporting this nonsense to go away? One even used the anti-constitution nonsense.

Give it up troofers. That horse is starting to draw flies.

Diversion.

Who's making money off of this?

This all Charle's fault. We known the SCOTUS read this blog.

Real Rancher

Charles, can you post that marine mammal "I eated it" photo at the top of the thread?

Always good to laugh.

Thanks.

re: #24 vxbush

Okay, you inspired me. But I went a different route. New avatar for me for the holidays.

Very nice !

re: #29 maddogg

Give it up troofers. That horse is starting to draw flies.

Draw flies? There's more maggots than meat on it, it's that dead.

"The Supreme Court has turned down an emergency appeal from a New Jersey man who says President-elect Barack Obama is ineligible to be president because he was a British subject at birth."

After the request was turned down I bet the nitwit who filed it refused to accept the validity of the court because of the gold fringe on the American Flag displayed in the courtroom...

I thought about writing a post over how this stuff is ridiculous and just hurts the conservative cause. But I soon realized I'm wasting my time. People who can't rationally evaluate evidence aren't going to be convinced by a rational post.

re: #5 MrSilverDragon

Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, Troofers are from stupid.

They're the bunch who thinks the sun rises because their rooster crowed.

I'm sorry, I have to blame the entertainment/news industry for this nonsense. They've been stoking these kinds of conspiracy theories for centuries, and with modern mass delivery of news and commentary, they've just made sure the theories get into everyone's hands faster and with more 'authority'.

There are real issues to be faced and the enthusiasm and energy that these people use for these fantasies could be used to actually help this nation.

Those sillys, they went after him on the wrong issue. They should have gone to court to establish that Barry Obomber won't crash the boards to get a rebound & is therefore unfit to occupy the office of the Presidency.

Fine, but I do have a question. If I can't challenge the candidate before the election because I have no standing, and I can't challenge him after the election but before the meeting of the electoral college, and the only people that can challenge him after the electoral college vote is Congress, how do we enforce the Constitution?

Lets say I am from the Californica Barking Moonbat Party and I nominate the Arnold for president. He appears on the ballot like the illegal did in NJ and low and behold he gets a majority of the votes in the electoral college. Now it just so happens that Congress is controlled by elements of the Californica Barking Moonbat Party. We now have a POTUS who is patently not eligible to serve but who is serving anyway. If the Constitution is to mean anything, an independent agency of some sort has to verify the bona fides of the candidates for president and congress.

We lacked standing before, we lacked standing after and Congress will do nothing. This is not to say that the 0bama is not eligible to serve. He may be. If not it will come out sooner or later.

"Run along home, folks. There's nothing to see here," says the judge.

We could use the LOL Nirth Certificate.

re: #33 Ojoe

Charles, can you post that marine mammal "I eated it" photo at the top of the thread?

Always good to laugh.

Thanks.

Oh, yeah.

Oh, man, Gee. Now what will I do with my nights?

re: #23 VegasRick

but..but..but...Obama himself said he was'nt born here! He said he was born on krypton and not in Hawaii! I heard it myself!
/

He was hatched on Krypton

re: #39 unreconstructed rebel

They're the bunch who thinks the sun rises because their rooster crowed.

Yep - they never learned the first lesson of experiment design:

"Coincidence DOES NOT imply causality."

Good morning, Lizard army (and navy, too).
Love the birth certificate thing. Love the smoking thing, too. The Onion has taken over our minds...

If you think this is strange, you ought to have a look at Canadian politics.

/outa this world

They are upset because Obama is too far to the right for them.

re: #42 Shr_Nfr

You could sell that screenplay plot in Hollywood.

Curious, how did the term "Nirth" get coined anyway?

re: #40 kynna

I don't believe that energy is available for anything else.

These are people who don't want to engage reality in the first place.

If this bizarre heresy does not work for them, they will find another.

Rush talking about the Chicago glass factory closing

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

Pamela's insane, IMHO. She gets in bed with eurofascists and their sympathizers, and then plays the troofer game with this. She jumped the shark a long time ago.

Atlas shurgged when he saw her blog.

Speaking of beds, I always thought the bedside chats were at bit...weird.

Thanks for the picture Charles.

Rev Jackson supporting the sitin. Obama gave them an ataboy.

re: #53 turn

Curious, how did the term "Nirth" get coined anyway?

Kilgore put up a LOLcat Nirth Certificate.

re: #42 Shr_Nfr

Fine, but I do have a question. If I can't challenge the candidate before the election because I have no standing, and I can't challenge him after the election but before the meeting of the electoral college, and the only people that can challenge him after the electoral college vote is Congress, how do we enforce the Constitution?

Lets say I am from the Californica Barking Moonbat Party and I nominate the Arnold for president. He appears on the ballot like the illegal did in NJ and low and behold he gets a majority of the votes in the electoral college. Now it just so happens that Congress is controlled by elements of the Californica Barking Moonbat Party. We now have a POTUS who is patently not eligible to serve but who is serving anyway. If the Constitution is to mean anything, an independent agency of some sort has to verify the bona fides of the candidates for president and congress.

We lacked standing before, we lacked standing after and Congress will do nothing. This is not to say that the 0bama is not eligible to serve. He may be. If not it will come out sooner or later.

All Bambi had to do was produce his nirth certificate. I have no doubt that he is eligible but why not kill the story early? If he did it to bring the moonbats on the right out he has won.

re: #16 midwestgak

And why is that, pray tell.

After the certificate of live birth was released, though I thought the method very strange and underhanded, the people who kept pounding this bothered me.

I distrust Truthers and I really distrust Paulians. They remind me of LaRouchers.

re: #50 2SoonOld2LateSmart

If you think this is strange, you ought to have a look at Canadian politics.

/outa this world

Someone (Steyn?) said that what is now happening in Canada will happen in the US in about 10 years. And I say I hope not.

Yay! Nirth certifikit picture!

National Review had a pretty good article, IMHO, from David Horowitz this morning on the issue of the "Nirth Certificate".

Obama Derangement Syndrome

We must not give into the same derangement that the left has had with Bush for the past eight years.

re: #26 Honorary Yooper

Pamela's insane, IMHO. She gets in bed with eurofascists and their sympathizers, and then plays the troofer game with this. She jumped the shark a long time ago.

Atlas shurgged when he saw her blog.

I don't think Pamela is insane, just stubborn beyond all reason.

Jacson passing out turkeys. lol

OT

CNN has been reporting about the "Leftist" anarchists rioting in Greece. The CNN "news" desk person asked a CNN "reporter" (on location) about the age of the rioters...The CNN on location "reporter" repeated that it was "youths" doin' the rioting...and it was anarchists.

The poster here at LGF, Cagey (?) noted that this isn't the case -- the riots are due to asylum seekers.. I did a brief check on-line. That it's about the asylum system in Greece appears to be the case...which, interestingly, is not being reported by the MSM in North America.

re: #42 Shr_Nfr

an independent agency of some sort has to verify the bona fides of the candidates for president and congress.

I do agree that this is a weird lacuna in our electoral system.

just about spit out coffee from my nose when i saw the pic.

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Actually, Obama isn't President until Jan 20 when he's sworn in. And these suits wont mean anything either because there's nothing there. It just makes people who were formerly sensible appear out of touch and downright kooky.

OK, not to sound dumb (and I am certainly not a truther - God forbid)...but why shouldn't candidates have to prove that requirement before they file the forms for the office? Does this now mean that non-natural born citizens can now run since its 'stupid' to ask? I know people think this is wrong since its being done only by the nut-rolls, but as time goes on this could become a real weak point in the system. Requirements mean nothing if there is no process for validation. So where do we go from here?

re: #67 J.S.

So when they say youths, they mean "youths" as da "youths" with the French Car-B-Qs?

re: #59 debutaunt

Kilgore put up a LOLcat Nirth Certificate.

Didn't it originate from a typo on a Troofer site?

re: #59 debutaunt

It was a typo from Palema in the title of one of her threads.

So, with the 9-11 Troofers we saw a lot of speculation that began with, "I don't know much about Physics, but..." Now, I suppose we'll be seeing, "I don't know much about the law, but..."

*sigh*

OT: Semi flying pig? Times (London) columnist asks if, in the wake of Mumbai, maybe letting free citizens carry firearms as a first line of defense against such atrocities isn't such a bad idea after all.

hat tip: Instapundit

re: #70 lawhawk

Actually, Obama isn't President until Jan 20 when he's sworn in. And these suits wont mean anything either because there's nothing there. It just makes people who were formerly sensible appear out of touch and downright kooky.

And from a constitutional perspective he isn't even president-elect until 12/15 when the Electoral College holds the real presidential election.

re: #69 noshariaincanada

just about spit out coffee from my nose when i saw the pic.

Faux ho ho!

re: #53 turn

Curious, how did the term "Nirth" get coined anyway?

Charles put in a ban on all references to the word "_irth" followed by "_ertificate".

And we still have some people who won't let go of it, in the previous thread.

Well, really big surprise here, hey folks.
Now if only the troofers would just wither up and blow away.

I'm not sure I follow the logic of the objection: Is he saying that because only one of Obama's parents was American, the boy himself couldn't be?

re: #55 midwestgak

Rush talking about the Chicago glass factory closing

Haven't listened since the election. I miss hearing what he has to say. I also have not read/watched or listened to anything other than the net, and that is hard. Don't know when I will break my self imposed exile. Maybe after 20 Jan.

Rush opposes the unions, not the workers.

re: #60 Erik The Red

All Bambi had to do was produce his nirth certificate. I have no doubt that he is eligible but why not kill the story early? If he did it to bring the moonbats on the right out he has won.

Actually, I thought the Federal Election Commission was the right place to determine this, as they could then contact the states and let them know that the candidate was ineligible. Am I wrong?

re: #77 Lee Coller

And from a constitutional perspective he isn't even president-elect until 12/15 when the Electoral College holds the real presidential election.

He's the PEA.

President-Elect-Apparent

re: #31 MandyManners

Who's making money off of this?

More to the point: Who's money was being spent on this lawsuit? Some stupid troofer from NJ?

My sister asked what I thought of the lawsuit over the weekend. I told her the guy was a troofer and she went into peals of laughter.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

It was a typo from Palema in the title of one of her threads.

That damn "N" key is right next to the darn "B" key.

re: #52 Thanos

He'll be back.

re: #76 Occasional Reader

OT: Semi flying pig? Times (London) columnist asks if, in the wake of Mumbai, maybe letting free citizens carry firearms as a first line of defense against such atrocities isn't such a bad idea after all.

hat tip: Instapundit

Yeah, like thats gonna happen...

re: #73 MandyManners

Didn't it originate from a typo on a Troofer site?

Charles posted it up top!

re: #59 debutaunt

Kilgore put up a LOLcat Nirth Certificate.

Thanks, and I see Charles has since posted it.

re: #80 Charles
Can you say "Obsessed"? I knew you could. Damn weirdos.

re: #73 MandyManners

Didn't it originate from a typo on a Troofer site?

It was Pam's typo.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

It was a typo from Palema in the title of one of her threads.

Oops. I just called her a Troofer.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

It was a typo from Palema in the title of one of her threads.

Perfect!

re: #79 2SoonOld2LateSmart

Charles put in a ban on all references to the word "_irth" followed by "_ertificate".

Actually, if I remember correctly there was another site that posted a hastily written reference to a 'nirth certificate.' The typo stuck.

re: #81 realwest

Well, really big surprise here, hey folks.
Now if only the troofers would just wither up and blow away.

Good morning, RW. Did the Geek Squad set you up?

re: #95 MandyManners

Oops. I just called her a Troofer.

If the shoe fits...

re: #61 Dianna

After the certificate of live birth was released, though I thought the method very strange and underhanded, the people who kept pounding this bothered me.

I distrust Truthers and I really distrust Paulians. They remind me of LaRouchers.

they probably are LaRouchers. When LaRouch started sounding too sane, they with Paul.

re: #72 Silhouette

You have to sort of wonder here...(the one fellow who fell into the canal and drowned was Pakistani...but as to the other asylum seekers, there's no report with respect to "country of origin.")...(and, of course, we all know which words are taboo..)

I think we should just discuss Plan 9 from outer space quotes instead of imbeciles that promote the troof.

Since the requirement is natural born, does than mean anyone born by caesarian is ineligible? How about epidurals?

/

re: #87 Eowyn2

More to the point: Who's money was being spent on this lawsuit? Some stupid troofer from NJ?

My sister asked what I thought of the lawsuit over the weekend. I told her the guy was a troofer and she went into peals of laughter.

I've become so jaded lately that one of my first questions about nutty stuff is, who's benefiting financially.

re: #13 joncelli

I'm beginning to think that these people think their burnt toast is a government conspiracy.

There are people who just can't seem to live in a world without some kind of conspiracy: whether it's stealing an election, the Kennedy Assassination, Bush planning and executing 9/11, or faked Apollo missions, there's someone, somewhere claiming a bunch of guys got together to foist this on 'the people'.

re: #82 Cognito

I'm not sure I follow the logic of the objection: Is he saying that because only one of Obama's parents was American, the boy himself couldn't be?

And just for the sake of our electronic posterity: That's not a reference to contemporary Obama as 'boy,' but Obama in his boyhood.

re: #80 Charles

And we still have some people who won't let go of it, in the previous thread.

the previous thread is still unraveling?

re: #82 Cognito

I think that's it, yes.

But it doesn't hold.

re: #83 Erik The Red

Haven't listened since the election. I miss hearing what he has to say. I also have not read/watched or listened to anything other than the net, and that is hard. Don't know when I will break my self imposed exile. Maybe after 20 Jan.

Know what you mean. I change the channel way more than I used to just to avoid seeing or hearing about the OB. It is demoralizing to be constantly reminded of who the pres. will be.

re: #91 debutaunt

Charles posted it up top!

Kilgore answered it in No. 74.

re: #79 2SoonOld2LateSmart

Charles put in a ban on all references to the word "_irth" followed by "_ertificate".

I googled "nirth" just now, the top hit is to LGF ...
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He is a citizen. Get over it troofers. The election cannot be undone.

re: #102 J.S.

Like when the paper doesn't mention the political party of the congressman under indictment, you know which.

re: #109 Dianna

I think that's it, yes.

But it doesn't hold.

If that's the argument, it's ridiculous.

re: #105 MandyManners

I've become so jaded lately that one of my first questions about nutty stuff is, who's benefiting financially.

That should be the first question in everything. I'm jaded too.

re: #108 Eowyn2

the previous thread is still unraveling?

very quickly lol

re: #99 Killgore Trout

If the shoe fits...

Trooferism and NeoNazism. Pamela's been a busy gal.

re: #102 J.S.

You have to sort of wonder here...(the one fellow who fell into the canal and drowned was Pakistani...but as to the other asylum seekers, there's no report with respect to "country of origin.")...(and, of course, we all know which words are taboo..)

does the gvmt have CoO stickers for people too?

re: #93 realwest

Can you say "Obsessed"? I knew you could. Damn weirdos.

Yeah, Charles, why are you so obsessed with this topic? Can't you just show some tolerance for the tinfoil beanie set? /

re: #113 Hard Right

Your phrase reminds me of the little window on a Mac just before you empty the trash.

BBL

re: #107 Cognito

And just for the sake of our electronic posterity: That's not a reference to contemporary Obama as 'boy,' but Obama in his boyhood.

hahahahahahahhahhaahahaa

re: #113 Hard Right

He is a citizen. Get over it troofers. The election cannot be undone.

I will say this about the certificate folks: I'm not sure it's fair to lump them in with the Sept. 11 'Truthers.'

One is inaccurate. The other is immoral.

re: #101 Eowyn2

they probably are LaRouchers. When LaRouch started sounding too sane, they with Paul.

LaRouche never, ever sounds sane.

Periodically, I run across these folks handing out their newsletters. One of them once told me that if I was concerned about souls (I was reading Bujold's Paladin of Souls on the train), I should be with them!

re: #106 96RoadKing

There are people who just can't seem to live in a world without some kind of conspiracy: whether it's stealing an election, the Kennedy Assassination, Bush planning and executing 9/11, or faked Apollo missions, there's someone, somewhere claiming a bunch of guys got together to foist this on 'the people'.

And, conspiracy theories promote self-righteous smugness in those who hold them. They--and they alone--know the real truth.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

It was a typo from Palema in the title of one of her threads.

Thanks for clearing that up Kilgore, my head was spinning trying to make a connection between that seal (was it?) on your graphic and "n"

re: #118 MandyManners

Trooferism and NeoNazism. Pamela's been a busy gal.

She's been busy jumping sharks.

bbiab

I haven't really been following Donofrio's case that closely, but I thought Donofrio's suit was a dual-citizenship issue as opposed to a BC, "born in Kenya" issue like Berg's?

(Yeah, I know, I was twisting realwest's words. Realwest is right, obviously, these guys would be better employed cleaning up the "RON PAUL R3volUTION 08" signs they've littered my neighbourhood with.)

re: #61 Dianna I agree completely - but let's face it, the MSM shoulda asked him directly about this. And while they were at it, they shoulda asked him why McCain (and Bush before him) released their complete medical files, all Obama did was produce a one page letter from his doctor.
But ya know we gotta remember Obama is from Chicago and some of this could just have been reflexive on his part.

re: #60 Erik The Red

All Bambi had to do was produce his nirth certificate. I have no doubt that he is eligible but why not kill the story early? If he did it to bring the moonbats on the right out he has won.

Which was fine during the election as it provided a distraction from larger issues and worked out real well for Obama.

But the election is over now and this issue is apparently not going away and is going to provide a distraction to his administration. A distraction that is not needed and is in fact being encouraged through a lack of confirmation on his part. This merely fuels the conspiracy nuts on further.

re: #125 MandyManners

They--and they alone--know the real truth.

That's how I feel about the lack of a period after Dr in Dr Pepper.

re: #124 Dianna

LaRouche never, ever sounds sane.

Periodically, I run across these folks handing out their newsletters. One of them once told me that if I was concerned about souls (I was reading Bujold's Paladin of Souls on the train), I should be with them!

oh creapy. did you take evasive action once you left the train:)

re: #114 Silhouette

of course...lol...with the MSM it's becoming "how to read between the lines.."

Ignatieff poised to replace Dion with support of Liberal caucus vote

Michael Ignatieff, who enjoys the support of a majority of Grit MPs and senators, appears poised to become federal Liberal leader at a caucus meeting Wednesday when Stéphane Dion is expected to step down.

The prospect of a caucus vote installing Ontario MP Ignatieff in the top Liberal job emerged late Sunday after the party's national executive gave a rough reception to a last-minute proposal to give all party members a vote by a combination of phone and online ballots early next month.

No final decision was made but insiders said it appeared the proposal, supported by rival Bob Rae, will not fly.

Liberals are virtually unanimous that the leadership question must be settled quickly and well before a Jan. 27 budget vote that could plunge the country into another election or see the Harper Conservatives replaced by a coalition government.

re: #98 jorline Yeah, but so far I gotta tell ya my friend, I HATE VISTA. Lots of software applications that don't work with it. Like my earthlink e-mail program (I have to use Web Mail, same e-mail addy, thank God, but a pain in the ass to use).
How are you doing my friend?

Some of those "kooks" believe in the movies that when a slumlord replaces a light bulb in a dilapidated building, all of a sudden in the next act, the slumlord turns good and the whole building is renovated.

The point being, if something as so simple as a birth certificate determining eligibility for an elected office cannot be judged by a court, what else will the court pass up that has direct constitutional impact?

Barack brought this on himself by never answering the question directly, using proxies to fill in the gaps. As far as I'm concerned, his mother was American thus he's American and we're stuck with that ID 10 t kit for the next 4-8 years.

re: #123 Cognito

I will say this about the certificate folks: I'm not sure it's fair to lump them in with the Sept. 11 'Truthers.'

One is inaccurate. The other is immoral.

The problem being that so many of them overlap, Cog.

re: #106 96RoadKing

There are people who just can't seem to live in a world without some kind of conspiracy: whether it's stealing an election, the Kennedy Assassination, Bush planning and executing 9/11, or faked Apollo missions, there's someone, somewhere claiming a bunch of guys got together to foist this on 'the people'.

It's the "man" lording over us.
/
Seriously, I think that need to find conspiracies everywhere comes from an inability to take responsibility and dealing with facts as they are. Revising reality.

I'm concerned that Obama might be a vampire. Think about it. He never has mirrors at any of his events. Ditto garlic.

re: #86 Silhouette

He's the PEA.

President-Elect-Apparent

thought the title was the Presumptive President - elect

re: #105 MandyManners

I've become so jaded lately that one of my first questions about nutty stuff is, who's benefiting financially.

Thats not being jaded. Thats being a realist.

re: #125 MandyManners

And, conspiracy theories promote self-righteous smugness in those who hold them. They--and they alone--know the real truth.

And disagreeing with them just puts you into the conspirator's camp!

re: #141 Peacekeeper

I'm concerned that Obama might be a vampire. Think about it. He never has mirrors at any of his events. Ditto garlic.

I don't quite buy that. He has been seen in the sunlight, and sunlight is not kind to vampires.

I'll believe 0bama was born in this country just as soon as I see the birth certificate. I guess that makes me a total moonbat.

re: #60 Erik The Red

Actually, his eligibility to serve rests more on later events in his life than in his birth certificate. Yeah, being born in Kenya would kill him, but for the sake of argument, let us say he was born in Hawaii as he claims. The critical events are when he turns 18 and after that. He actually does not forfeit his US Citizenship when he is in Indonesia since he is a minor, as I once thought he did. Digging into the legal compost pile, a person born in America and then brought abroad and then returned to the states maintains the potential for his natural born status providing he does not do anything beginning at or after age 18 to affiliate himself with the foreign country. If 0bama put down his citizenship on his college apps as Indonesian or Kenyan, or traveled on an Indonesian passport, that would be regarded as an act of affiliation.

re: #104 Silhouette

Since the requirement is natural born, does than mean anyone born by caesarian is ineligible? How about epidurals?

/

Ahhh...MacBeth's undoing!

"Macduff was from his mother's womb
Untimely ripped."

re: #142 Outrider

thought the title was the Presumptive President - elect

duke of earl.

re: #141 Peacekeeper

I'm concerned that Obama might be a vampire. Think about it. He never has mirrors at any of his events. Ditto garlic.

Well, he sure does suck...

re: #139 Dianna

The problem being that so many of them overlap, Cog.

They all seem to start with a premise and work their way back.

re: #123 Cognito

I will say this about the certificate folks: I'm not sure it's fair to lump them in with the Sept. 11 'Truthers.'

One is inaccurate. The other is immoral.

I agree. 9/11 Trooferism is a couple of orders of magnitude crazier than the nirth certificate stuff; and has a strong stench of pure evil about it.

re: #134 Eowyn2

oh creapy. did you take evasive action once you left the train:)

I laughed at him, helplessly.

It works.

He has hypnotic powers and a cult of followers.

Despite arguments over the best way to replace Dion, there was a consensus that the Liberal party needs a new, permanent leader before Parliament resumes on Jan. 26.

"We need to find a leader of the party before the House comes back at the end of January," leadership candidate Bob Rae told CBC News earlier Sunday."

You should also find a way to get your head unstuck from your arse, Bob.

re: #120 Zimriel
I MEANT the idiots still commenting on that old thread!
Whaddya trying to get me banned here or something?!

re: #141 Peacekeeper

I'm concerned that Obama might be a vampire. Think about it. He never has mirrors at any of his events. Ditto garlic.

Also noteworthy; no one on his staff has proferred any evidence that he's NOT a vampire.

re: #22 Thanos

That's not a basement that's a cupboard.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

It was a typo from Palema in the title of one of her threads.

Palema Salta?

He turned into a bat and bit Hillary-check her neck

re: #145 Honorary Yooper

I don't quite buy that. He has been seen in the sunlight, and sunlight is not kind to vampires.

One Word; SUNBLOCK!

/

re: #130 Zimriel
That's better!
:)

re: #158 Occasional Reader

Also noteworthy; no one on his staff has proferred any evidence that he's NOT a vampire.

The silence is the telling thing.

Well all. I must get some huge amts of work done in the next 12 days so goodbye for now.

re: #157 buzzsawmonkey

It is sad that a certain segment of society is bent on filling the void that will be left by the utter irrelevance of the "selected, not elected" moonbats once Bush leaves office.

Nature abhors a vacuum. It's why the vacuous keep filling it.

re: #63 Fat Jolly Penguin

Yay! Nirth certifikit picture!

Now if we can only get some throbbing jaws to show the actual eating of said nirth cerifikit, my life would be complete.

re: #142 Outrider

thought the title was the Presumptive President - elect

Could be. I just made mine up.

can I be an "anticonstitutionmentarianist"?

re: #164 Peacekeeper

The silence is the telling thing.

When his acceptance speech begins, "I have crossed oceans of time to become the President", we'll know.

re: #154 Peacekeeper

He has hypnotic powers and a cult of followers.

So did the villagers who attacked Dr. Frankenstein's castle.

re: #170 Occasional Reader

When his acceptance speech begins, "I have crossed oceans of time to become the President", we'll know.

Watch his hand, if it smokes on the Bible...

re: #165 Eowyn2

Well all. I must get some huge amts of work done in the next 12 days so goodbye for now.

Take care, Eowyn.

Actually, my own belief is that Barack Obama does not actually exist.

He's an electronic creation, like Max Headroom.

re: #106 96RoadKing

There are people who just can't seem to live in a world without some kind of conspiracy: whether it's stealing an election, the Kennedy Assassination, Bush planning and executing 9/11, or faked Apollo missions, there's someone, somewhere claiming a bunch of guys got together to foist this on 'the people'.

Yeah, these are the same nut bags that think that Soylent Green is people.
narf , narf. Huh, what? Oh never mind

re: #132 Outrider
I agree with you, but as I said somewhere above, Obama's lack of disclosure here could just be the natural reflexes of a Chicago politician.
Course, I'm sure the "Troofers" think he's stalling until after Dec 15th and the Electoral College declares him the new POTUS Elect.
Wonder if any of the Electors will ask the question of where he was born?

re: #165 Eowyn2

Well all. I must get some huge amts of work done in the next 12 days so goodbye for now.

I'm glad SOMEONE is taking care of the economy for the rest of us slackers.

re: #139 Dianna

The problem being that so many of them overlap, Cog.

I imagine that among people who reside in both those spheres, there's a high percentage of people who fastidiously avoid the deadly combination of Coca-Cola and Mentos.

I'll say this about Obama...he has no clue what he is doing and it is making him look not all that bad.

re: #139 Dianna

9-11 Troofers = Ron Paulians = Nirth Certifikitters

Go to their websites and you can find links to Alex Jones various nutbar operations, Ron Paul collectors edition DVDs, alien abductions, Boheniam Grove conspiracy "evidence", and the latest "documentary" from the Loose Change fools.

I provide no links.

re: #170 Occasional Reader

When his acceptance speech begins, "I have crossed oceans of time to become the President", we'll know.

Let's do the time warp again!

re: #18 2by2

thx, just in case you're wondering what these are:
A flight of IDF F-18's super hornets. (searched 3 hours straight Sat night to find 'em) Seems to be the perfect illustration for my nic.

Um, aren't those F-15's?

re: #162 saberry0530

One Word; SUNBLOCK!

/

SPF 50 k ?

re: #178 Cognito

I imagine that among people who reside in both those spheres, there's a high percentage of people who fastidiously avoid the deadly combination of Coca-Cola and Mentos.

OK, that's a good one.

re: #174 Occasional Reader

Actually, my own belief is that Barack Obama does not actually exist.

He's an electronic creation, like Max Headroom.

There is quite a glitch in the head tilt section.

re: #172 Peacekeeper

Watch his hand, if it smokes on the Bible...

Bible? He'll be sworn in on Praire Fire.

re: #180 Kenneth

9-11 Troofers = Ron Paulians = Nirth Certifikitters

Go to their websites and you can find links to Alex Jones various nutbar operations, Ron Paul collectors edition DVDs, alien abductions, Boheniam Grove conspiracy "evidence", and the latest "documentary" from the Loose Change fools.

I provide no links.

Don't forget DAVID ICKE.

re: #178 Cognito

the deadly combination of Coca-Cola and Mentos.

Not familiar with that one... I'm still hung up on the Coke + "Pop Rocks" combo that (as everyone knows) killed "Mikey" from the Life Cereal commercials.

re: #181 Honorary Yooper

Let's do the time warp again!

It's just a jump to the Left!

As a Vampire, he'd HAVE to have a fake birth certificate. It all makes sense... . Someone needs to check birth records from the last 600 years or so. Byzantium, Venice, those sorts of places.

re: #152 Occasional Reader
I couldn't agree with you more O.R.

re: #167 RoughRider

Now if we can only get some throbbing jaws to show the actual eating of said nirth cerifikit, my life would be complete.

That would be beautiful. I wish I was better with Photoshop.

Mr. Ding: Seriously, that's sad.

re: #185 debutaunt

There is quite a glitch in the head tilt section.

And it explains the stuttering...

re: #182 trryhin

Um, aren't those F-15's?

Affirmative.

re: #158 Occasional Reader

Also noteworthy; no one on his staff has proferred any evidence that he's NOT a vampire.

AND he's followed by 'moon-bats'! It fits...

re: #187 MandyManners

Don't forget DAVID ICKE.

Yes, and Vlaams Belang, & etc. Birds of a feather.

Ha! My theory is gaining traction already, I see.

I can't wait to be on "The O'Reilly Factor".

re: #178 Cognito

I imagine that among people who reside in both those spheres, there's a high percentage of people who fastidiously avoid the deadly combination of Coca-Cola and Mentos.

Indeed.

Gotta' love Walmart...

Went in this morning, a tee shirt hanging on the first rack near the entry...

If you can't get behind the troops.
Feel free to get in front of them.

Brought a smile to my face.

re: #67 J.S.

OT

CNN has been reporting about the "Leftist" anarchists rioting in Greece. The CNN "news" desk person asked a CNN "reporter" (on location) about the age of the rioters...The CNN on location "reporter" repeated that it was "youths" doin' the rioting...and it was anarchists.

The poster here at LGF, Cagey (?) noted that this isn't the case -- the riots are due to asylum seekers.. I did a brief check on-line. That it's about the asylum system in Greece appears to be the case...which, interestingly, is not being reported by the MSM in North America.

The anarchists are rioting downtown in the main shopping and tourist districts, there are not hundreds, but thousands. This is a separate riot believe it or not.

Separation of Church and State is just a means of keeping crucifixes away from them.

re: #178 Cognito

Mythbusters had a thing on that on...here's the youtube...

re: #182 trryhin

Um, aren't those F-15's?

Not an expert, but I believe it's a flight of those

re: #176 realwest

I agree with you, but as I said somewhere above, Obama's lack of disclosure here could just be the natural reflexes of a Chicago politician.
Course, I'm sure the "Troofers" think he's stalling until after Dec 15th and the Electoral College declares him the new POTUS Elect.
Wonder if any of the Electors will ask the question of where he was born?

oh, I'm quite sure it is the Chicago reflexes at work here. The common rules do not apply to him so why should he have to document anything? I'm sure that is his line of reasoning.

re: #187 MandyManners

Don't forget DAVID ICKE.

Hey now. If it weren't for David Icke, we would never have known the Troof about the Reptilian Aliens, like our very own Charles Johnson.

Kenyans? Birth certificates?

My, how conspiracies have gone low rent.

I'm old fashioned. Any real conspiracy has to at least have the Illuminati, several Rothchilds, and the Mossad catering.

re: #196 Right mind left

AND he's followed by 'moon-bats'! It fits...

Oh my!

re: #138 badger1970

As far as I'm concerned, his mother was American thus he's American and we're stuck with that ID 10 t kit for the next 4-8 years.

Otherwise: law of unintended consequences applies. Jane Garcia is American; Jose Rodriguez is an alien on a (legal) visa. Jane ends up in a family way. Both agree that the child should be American. But Jane's not sure said child will be eligible to be President.

The solution is obvious: Jose is forced to run off and pretend he never saw Jane. Jane raises the infant as an illegitimate child. Joseph "Junior" Garcia is eligible to become President... or would be, if he hadn't been shot down in a gang war, as happens to illegitimate kids too often.

Nirth certifikit troofers - not just stupid, but evil

Obama was actually born in a manger and his mother never had sex and didn't you know he can make water in to wine and walk on water, cure cancer, and make everybody young again?

re: #180 Kenneth

9-11 Troofers = Ron Paulians = Nirth Certifikitters

Go to their websites and you can find links to Alex Jones various nutbar operations, Ron Paul collectors edition DVDs, alien abductions, Boheniam Grove conspiracy "evidence", and the latest "documentary" from the Loose Change fools.

I provide no links.

I know. That's why I found this whole business so disturbing.

This is all based on tearing down any confidence in our process. It's exactly the same as ACORN, and all the other fraud in our elections.

re: #186 Silhouette

Bible? He'll be sworn in on Praire Fire.

Do you think they will have a close up of the actual book - it is said it will be his "family" bible, the same one he used when he was sworn in as a senator. Wonder if it was blessed by Wright ...or Ayers?
/

9-11 Troofers: the Government (particularly President Bush) is malicious, vastly powerful, and quick to act, able to pull off the worst mass murder in US history and blame it on a few Muslim extremists.

Nirth Cert Troofers: the Government is inept, inefficient, not paying attention, and this one slipped through the cracks.

(Put that way, it doesn't appear to be outside the realm of possibility.)

re: #125 MandyManners

And, conspiracy theories promote self-righteous smugness in those who hold them. They--and they alone--know the real truth.

Yes and for some strange reason they can write all about it without the government finding out about them and silencing them. Very strange that. I have a 9/11 truther here at work and he is very vocal that the government did it. When I ask him why the government doesn't just come and take him away because he alone knows the truth he just starts shouting.

re: #163 realwest

That's better!
:)

"new comments" is your friend :^)

I'm not entirely comfortable with the idea of Obama's "eligibility to serve." As we all know, he plans to rule, not serve. He's never indicated any real interest in or capacity for service.

re: #146 harrylook

I'll believe 0bama was born in this country just as soon as I see the birth certificate. I guess that makes me a total moonbat.

Do you need to hold it in your hands? Or will a hi-res photo and witnesses be good enough?

Do you think that Obama needs to set up a tour for the birth certificate? Maybe one or two days in every major city... letting people come and touch the certificate?

re: #200 jcm
Hey my friend! Didja buy one?
Do they have one saying "If you can't stand behind the doors until we open 'em, LEAVE!"?

re: #202 Peacekeeper

Separation of Church and State is just a means of keeping crucifixes away from them.

Now that I can believe for certain members of Congress.

Does THIS mean this nonsense has come to an end... finally?

Anti-Constitution? Is that the best they could do? I would've hoped for something a little snazzier from such a creative crowd. Least they could've said was that we're Constitution Deniers - give it those Holocaust conotations like the Climate Change Moonbats were able to come up with. Far left kooks are clearly more innovative in their name-calling than far right kooks.

Lets see if I can give them a hand: I think anyone who believes in this Obama birth certificate garbage should be PURGED from the conservative community!

There, now maybe we'll get to be called Constistalinists. That's got a little panache.

A vampire would go to a demented "church" where the Rev. Shouted and cursed and damned things...

re: #188 Occasional Reader

Not familiar with that one.

Try it. Outside.

You can find about a million videos of it on youtube.

We did it on Make a Mess Day at our home and invited all the little neighbor boys.

re: #206 Occasional Reader

Hey now. If it weren't for David Icke, we would never have known the Troof about the Reptilian Aliens, like our very own Charles Johnson.

Oh, man! Don't forget about Marr!

re: #221 CapeCoddah

Does THIS mean this nonsense has come to an end... finally?

I would hope, but I fear not...

re: #210 teleskiguy

Obama was actually born in a manger and his mother never had sex and didn't you know he can make water in to wine and walk on water, cure cancer, and make everybody young again?

And spontaneous mortgage payoffs!

re: #204 2by2

Not an expert, but I believe it's a flight of those

No, look at the inlets. Very characteristic F-15. Not meaning to argue with you, just pointing it out. It's still a very cool picture.

Why you shouldn't befriend Nazis...
Hundreds of Muslim wargraves defaced on Islamic feast day

The rows of white headstones, marking the graves of Muslim soldiers who died fighting for France, were spray-painted with neo-Nazi slogans such as "Heil Hitler." Some had lettering whose meaning was unclear.

re: #208 debutaunt

Oh my!

What on-nerth?

re: #197 Kenneth

Yes, and Vlaams Belang, & etc. Birds of a feather.

Icke's way beyond VB. Does VB believe Queen Elizabeth and Pres. Bush are reptilian shape-shifter?

re: #145 Honorary Yooper

I don't quite buy that. He has been seen in the sunlight, and sunlight is not kind to vampires.

He wears sunscreen. I hear that works fine for them.

re: #204 2by2

Not an expert, but I believe it's a flight of those

Well, I *am* an expert. Because I built Revel model airplanes as a kid... but seriously, I'm pretty sure the planes in your icon are F-15s. The SuperHornet has a skinnier, longer nose cone (relatively speaking).

re: #221 CapeCoddah

Does THIS mean this nonsense has come to an end... finally?

Conspiracies never die. You can't kill them with logic because those that believe them don't have any. If you bring up physical evidence they will say it is fabricated. You can't win.

re: #221 CapeCoddah

Does THIS mean this nonsense has come to an end... finally?

The nonsense won't end until there's no Kennedy in government. (Sorry, too easy)

Those riots in Greece by anarchist are still in full force.

re: #210 teleskiguy

Obama was actually born in a manger and his mother never had sex and didn't you know he can make water in to wine and walk on water, cure cancer, and make everybody young again?

Reminds me too much of a Woodland Critter Christmas.

re: #201 Thanos

I've seen some of the footage of the violence going on in Greece -- and, it's pretty bad...CNN was reporting it, like, "well, yawn, ya know, this all goes on periodically, and it's nothin' new here." I'm aware of the violence in the past in Greece (with respect to the anarchists), but I'm wondering if some other sort of rage is fueling this? (I also recall seeing asylum seekers rage at Calais, which again wasn't really covered in the MSM)...And I don't think the MSM has been covering this story happening in Greece adequately or very well..

re: #206 Occasional Reader

Hey now. If it weren't for David Icke, we would never have known the Troof about the Reptilian Aliens, like our very own Charles Johnson.

Shape-shifting aliens, that is.

For those not getting it, or the constitution, the people who do have standing in this matter are the electors in the electoral college. Now go convince one of them, and shut up until you do.

re: #210 teleskiguy

Obama was actually born in a manger and his mother never had sex and didn't you know he can make water in to wine and walk on water, cure cancer, and make everybody young again?

So is his first "really big" middle eastern speech going to be from the manger? With a spotlight to guide you...
/

re: #132 Outrider

Which was fine during the election as it provided a distraction from larger issues and worked out real well for Obama.

But the election is over now and this issue is apparently not going away and is going to provide a distraction to his administration. A distraction that is not needed and is in fact being encouraged through a lack of confirmation on his part. This merely fuels the conspiracy nuts on further.

---
I predict it will go away now, due to lack of evidence. People who wish to pursue the issue need some evidence, and "grandma says" and other faux evidence I have read does not cut it.

re: #207 opinionated

Kenyans? Birth certificates?

My, how conspiracies have gone low rent.

I'm old fashioned. Any real conspiracy has to at least have the Illuminati, several Rothchilds, and the Mossad catering.

You forgot the Masons!

OT
Why would the Gitmo Five confess now? Might they fear what Barrack might have in store for them? If they think our new president is a Muslim, I am sure they figure they will be tortured viciously and then be-headed, all recorded on film to be sent to their families.

re: #233 Occasional Reader

Revel? Crap! Monogram and any Japanese company made better kits.

re: #195 Occasional Reader

Affirmative.

re: #228 trryhin

I don't know enough about them, to argue, thought I read F-18 super hornet in the caption, but can't find the damn thing anymore.
However they are IDF jets and they're flying two by two, eh?

re: #228 trryhin

No, look at the inlets. Very characteristic F-15. Not meaning to argue with you, just pointing it out. It's still a very cool picture.

Yep, F-15s.

re: #86 Silhouette

He's the PEA.

President-Elect-Apparent

Which is a real pisser.

re: #234 Ford_Prefect

Conspiracies never die. You can't kill them with logic because those that believe them don't have any. If you bring up physical evidence they will say it is fabricated. You can't win.

"The complete lack of evidence is PROOF POSITIVE that the conspiracy is working!"

re: #215 johnnyreb

Yes and for some strange reason they can write all about it without the government finding out about them and silencing them. Very strange that. I have a 9/11 truther here at work and he is very vocal that the government did it. When I ask him why the government doesn't just come and take him away because he alone knows the truth he just starts shouting.

What does he shout?

re: #204 2by2

Nope, they're F-15s.

re: #210 teleskiguy

If He's 'making water' and turning it into wine, you might want to stick with Beer or Soda at any of his bashes...:>)

re: #211 Dianna
I hope you know that I agree with you, but I do find it passingly strange that, now that the election is over and Obama no longer needs to lead the right to pursue false leads, why the hell doesn't he just produce the birth certificate? And contrary to what some have said, there's no SSN on it or anything I can imagine that would be embarrassing to Obama. So effin' release it already!

re: #137 realwest

Yeah, but so far I gotta tell ya my friend, I HATE VISTA. Lots of software applications that don't work with it. Like my earthlink e-mail program (I have to use Web Mail, same e-mail addy, thank God, but a pain in the ass to use).
How are you doing my friend?

I'm well...thanks. I glad you were able to resolve your differences with BB. You'll have many years of computing with that big boy. I've had no problems with Vista, lucky I guess.

re: #244 GreenDroll

Umm, sarc tag?

re: #238 J.S.

I've seen some of the footage of the violence going on in Greece -- and, it's pretty bad...CNN was reporting it, like, "well, yawn, ya know, this all goes on periodically, and it's nothin' new here." I'm aware of the violence in the past in Greece (with respect to the anarchists), but I'm wondering if some other sort of rage is fueling this? (I also recall seeing asylum seekers rage at Calais, which again wasn't really covered in the MSM)...And I don't think the MSM has been covering this story happening in Greece adequately or very well..

Well there are certainly groups who will join in to make it worse as always JS, think it's more a sign of current dilipidated economic conditions. In the background lots of looting is going on in those shopping districts, but they aren't reporting that, the "malcontent anarchists" angle is sexier than thievery.

F-18s! F-15s! No the jet inlet characteristics clearly indicate...

NERD FIGHT!

re: #224 Silhouette

Try it. Outside.

You can find about a million videos of it on youtube.

We did it on Make a Mess Day at our home and invited all the little neighbor boys.

Can we harness that energy to wean ourselves off Saudi oil?

re: #253 realwest

I hope you know that I agree with you, but I do find it passingly strange that, now that the election is over and Obama no longer needs to lead the right to pursue false leads, why the hell doesn't he just produce the birth certificate? And contrary to what some have said, there's no SSN on it or anything I can imagine that would be embarrassing to Obama. So effin' release it already!

My BC does not have my SSN on it, neither does The Kid's.

re: #243 MandyManners

You forgot the Masons!

He keeps them in jars, right?

Liberals voice concerns about Obama

Liberals are growing increasingly nervous – and some just flat-out angry – that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. He’s hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And he’s stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

“He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment,” said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.

OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: “Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?”

re: #226 scottishbuzzsaw
Yeah, I agree with you.

re: #231 MandyManners

I'm just suggesting anybody who's got Ron Paul or Prison Planet on his browser bookmarks probably has Ickes, 9-11 Troofers, VB and now Nirth Cert, too. Crazy is as crazy does.

re: #247 jcm

Yep, F-15s.

F-18 Super Hornet has a square but smaller inlet. Key on the -18 is the LEX (Leading Edge Extension) an extension of the wing the extends past the cockpit. F-15 doesn't have a LEX, also on the -18 the vertical stablizer is well ahead of the horizontal stabilizer, the -15 the vert stab is farther back.

re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

NADER '12!

Obama is President Elect for one reason. Not because he is accomplished. Not because he is qualified. But because more than 50% of the people of this country wanted CHANGE. And are too stoopid and shortsighted to see that change may involve an express elevator to Hell.