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Politics | Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 3:02:49 pm PST

Our headline of the day: Obama team probe of Obama team finds no Obama team impropriety.

The Barack Obama presidential transition office today finally released its own report on its own internal investigation of its own contacts with legally challenged Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich. And you’ll be comforted to know the Obama folks found no impropriety whatsoever by Obama folks.

So go back to wrapping holiday presents or pretending you’re working at your desk and checking out Obama’s important abs. All is well with the coming World of Change.

Heh.

Also see:
JammieWearingFool: Obama ‘Report’ by Obama Lawyer Clears Obama Chief of Staff.

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1 DeafDog  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:03:47pm

Now that that's settled, can we get back to investigating HaliburtonChaneyBush!

2 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:07pm

A core snot.

3 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:12pm

What no Independent Investigation? Were is the outrage? Were is Fitzgerald?

4 faraway  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:17pm

Missing headline: Obama interrogated by Fitz last week

Exit question: was it under oath?

5 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:18pm

How long until Obama starts referring to himself in the third person?

"Obama likes you. You're just Obama's type!"

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:34pm

Same as, "Nothing to see here, keep moving.

They're arguing back there. Can they do that?

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:41pm

Obama has already found Himself innocent of any wrong-doing, so why not the Obama Team find itself innocent as well.

8 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:42pm

ROTFLMAO.... Why not take Don Corleone's word that he has done nothing wrong.

9 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:04:57pm

That is because the people responsible for the potential sackings have themselves been sacked!

10 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:10pm

Hey, just let Obama Team be Obama Team.

/

11 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:35pm

re: #9 rawmuse

Avoiding nasty moose bites.

12 debutaunt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:38pm

Internal investigation - sweet!

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:05:40pm

re: #10 Wyatt Earp

Hey, just let Obama Team be Obama Team.

/

Shouldn't we call it "Team Obama"?

14 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:06:03pm

The first rule of Obama Team is that you always clear Obama Team.

15 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:06:19pm

re: #9 rawmuse

That is because the people responsible for the potential sackings have themselves been sacked!

The person responsible for that sacking, how now been sacked.

16 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:06:47pm

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Shouldn't we call it "Team Obama"?

Yeah, right. You think Obama will let the "Team" get top billing? Silly human.

17 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:07:19pm

re: #14 Wyatt Earp

The second rule is when in doubt refer to the first rule.

18 Shug  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:07:23pm

According to the fox, all of those hens committed suicide

19 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:10pm

re: #18 Shug

According to the fox, all of those hens committed suicide

Then who will come home to roost?

20 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:33pm

re: #19 Wyatt Earp

Then who will come home to roost?

The chickens?

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:37pm

Wow. This reporter loves Team Obama.

Speaking of tidy packages, the five-page report was not released in the morning as things are when public attention is desired.

It was released at 4:30 Eastern time to provide minimal exam time before the network news. But that's probably a coincidence.

22 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:08:38pm

"Four legs good. Two legs Obaaaaaaaaaama!"
F'n sheeple...........

23 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:09:18pm

re: #20 Nevergiveup

The chickens?

Without the hens? Highly unlikely.

/

24 goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:10:39pm

Good evening, Lizards.

25 quickjustice  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:11:31pm

And the in-the-tank-for-Obama media will cooperate fully with Team Obama.

26 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:11:40pm

re: #24 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards.

Evenin' Goddess!

27 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:11:57pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. This reporter loves Team Obama.

I wouldn't say that. From the way I'm reading the "tone" of the article, he's being very snide toward Team Obama.

28 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:12:06pm

Good evening, Goddess.

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:13:02pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

Did I forget a sarc tag?

30 Filala  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:13:35pm

The more things are supposed to change, the more they stay the same.
House has the right idea "Everybody lies."

31 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:14:01pm

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did I forget a sarc tag?

Ah, I don't know. I guess we are on the same page on this. Which is interesting that a LA times reporter would be this condensending to the Big O.

32 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:14:12pm

Israel partially opens Gaza crossings, as Hamas voices interest on renewing truce

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me

33 wiffersnapper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:14:27pm

No change required!

34 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:14:58pm

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

35 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:15:30pm

Good morning hens- we would like to announce that our new security team from the fox group will be providing protection for you. Regarding the concerns some of you have with the reputation some of the fox groups members have had in relation to hens in the past we want to assure you that the particular fox guarding your hen house has launched an in depth probe into the fox group and has assured us that he in no way needs to be feared.

In related news - we have also hired a snake to keep your eggs warm.

Sleep tight!

36 anti-looter  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:15:33pm

I tried this approach woith the IRS, assured them that my books were clean, they are not impressed - must be a racial thing.

37 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:15:40pm

re: #33 wiffersnapper

No change required!

Obama is so badly hoping he won't be mentioned that he needs to change his shorts.

38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:15:52pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Ah, I don't know. I guess we are on the same page on this. Which is interesting that a LA times reporter would be this condensending to the Big O.

In case I forget (which I won't) Happy Birthday Walter!

39 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:16:20pm

I don't know if I approve of Obama probing himself.

Ew.

40 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:16:41pm

re: #34 Cathypop

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Problem is, he's not behind the curtain. He's pulling this shit right in front of everyone, just like he did in the campaign, and a hell of a lot of people accept it.

41 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:16:43pm

re: #39 Occasional Reader

I don't know if I approve of Obama probing himself.

Ew.

Triple EEEEWWWWWWW!

42 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:16:49pm

re: #39 Occasional Reader

I don't know if I approve of Obama probing himself.

Ew.

(After all, you can go (ethically) blind doing that.)

43 Filala  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:16:52pm

re: #39 Occasional Reader


LOL

44 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:17:20pm
45 wiffersnapper  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:17:31pm

Who was put in charge of this investigation? McCain?

46 rockmanvermont  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:17:42pm

Its ok,if I did anything illegal that could ruin my career and my confidence from the entire nation I would tell everyone too,who honestly believes what comes from the Obama campaign anymore,oh yea,idiotic believers who never take a second to think,rationalize,or improve their own knowledge,sounds like I missed a bullet from falling into that crowd.


/off,I'm happy I'm on the evil closedminded warmungering religiouszelots side,you guys are awesome.

47 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:17:55pm

re: #45 wiffersnapper

Who was put in charge of this investigation? McCain?

Caroline Kennedy?

48 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:18:05pm

re: #40 Walter L. Newton

Problem is, he's not behind the curtain. He's pulling this shit right in front of everyone, just like he did in the campaign, and a hell of a lot of people accept it.

I'm trying to keep some humor Walter. It's either humor or very foul language. Loud foul language

49 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:18:35pm

re: #47 Nevergiveup

Caroline Kennedy?

Marcia Clark and Christopher Darden?

50 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:18:45pm

"And in other election news Mr. Stalin of Stalingrad, Stalin County voted for..."

-S-

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:00pm

re: #48 Cathypop

Hey Cathy? Loud foul language works too.

52 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:04pm

In other news: Obama team agrees both Obama and his team are quite fantastic.

53 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:08pm

re: #45 wiffersnapper

Who was put in charge of this investigation? McCain?

Oprah

54 rockmanvermont  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:21pm

I meant /on,not off re: #46 rockmanvermont

55 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:25pm

Mega-orgy in Tel Aviv cancelled due to public pressure

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I wonder if i can get a refund on my airline ticket?

56 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:32pm

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In case I forget (which I won't) Happy Birthday Walter!

I have a nirth certificate. It came in the package, along with the little outfits and one of those "magic milk bottles."

57 so.cal.swede  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:32pm

funny but that's not a headline, it's a blog entry.

58 EdgeMan  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:47pm

What kind of headline did we expect? If the paper had quoted Obama the headline would have looked like this:

"Obama: Uh...uh...uh..."

59 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:49pm

I remember during the campaign when Obama assured his supporters that "investigations of the current administration were not out of the question".

Then, the Blago thing.

Then, Cheney's bluntness on Fox News Sunday.

I took that as another "bring it on" invitation.

60 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:19:54pm

re: #48 Cathypop

I'm trying to keep some humor Walter. It's either humor or very foul language. Loud foul language

I don't blame ya!

61 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:13pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Ah, I don't know. I guess we are on the same page on this. Which is interesting that a LA times reporter would be this condensending to the Big O.

I"m absolutely stunned this is in the LA Times.

Love the photo, too, of The One yukking it up with Blago.

62 descolada9  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:21pm

In other news the Fox was appointed Head of Security for the Chickens. The Fox reported that there was no threat of break-ins to the chicken coop and that he could be trusted with said chickens.

63 Beller0ph1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:45pm

So where would I go to demand an independent investigation? Seriously!

64 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:45pm

It's funny on so many levels.

65 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:51pm

re: #51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey Cathy? Loud foul language works too.

It is a very good thing that I have no neighbors because there is definetly going to be some loud foul language for the next four years.

66 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:53pm

re: #55 Nevergiveup

Mega-orgy in Tel Aviv cancelled due to public pressure

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I wonder if i can get a refund on my airline ticket?

Reminds me of the scene in Mel Brooks' History of the World, Part I

"Annual Orgy and Buffet. First Serve, First . . . "

67 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:20:56pm

We need serious Constitutional reforms to guard in the future against system manipulators like Obama. A couple of weeks ago I think I dumped one proposed amendment idea that met with a big yawn. Now we have the problem that Congress will be incapable of investigating the President and the President is incapable of investigating himself. The Watergate era Independent Counsel law was a failure that was properly dumped. What we need is a proper permanent constitutionally based body that can audit and submit charges to Congress and make public reports. My idea is to make the Electoral College a permanent standing body that will fill vacancies in the Presidency and Vice Presidency as well as have some audit and inspection authority and access to resources. This starts to sound like the Nationalist Chinese constitution.

68 Oh no...Sand People!  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:21:07pm

WHEW! Was starting to lose a little faith there...
/

69 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:22:23pm
70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:22:39pm

re: #65 Cathypop

You have no neighbors? How does one have no neighbors?

Won't you be? Won't you be? Please won't you be...my neighbor?

Hi Neighbor.

71 Shug  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:05pm

Don't you know? Everyone in Shawshak is innocent

72 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:13pm

Is it real, or is it Iowahawk? You make the call!

73 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:18pm

Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Raines, Blagojevich............
Nope, no dirt anywhere............
Proceed Team "0"

74 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:30pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You have no neighbors? How does one have no neighbors?

Won't you be? Won't you be? Please won't you be...my neighbor?

Hi Neighbor.

Is there even room? Ha!

75 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:48pm

re: #38 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

In case I forget (which I won't) Happy Birthday Walter!

Walter is getting older, the old fart? Time to quaff some adult beverages and party like it is 999. ;)

76 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:52pm

re: #59 jwb7605

I remember during the campaign when Obama assured his supporters that "investigations of the current administration were not out of the question".

Then, the Blago thing.

Then, Cheney's bluntness on Fox News Sunday.

I took that as another "bring it on" invitation.

jwb -

Cheney on the witness stand before a Congressional Committee is their WORST NIGHTMARE - they talk a good game - as for walking - not so much - as it would be a LONG Walk off of a SHORT Plank.

-S-

77 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:23:53pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Academics can take the most interesting subject and beat it to death.

No the S & M orgy is in San Fransisco.

78 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:24:04pm

re: #57 so.cal.swede

funny but that's not a headline, it's a blog entry.

The failing MSM print media just call these things blogs because it's posted on the web. They really don't understand what a blog is, they're just adopting popular terminology because it's cool and trendy. Cnn has "i-Reports" just because if you stick "i" in front of anything it instantly becomes cooler. iPhone, iPod, etc.

79 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:24:39pm

what a fcking joke.

80 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:24:44pm

re: #35 DaddyG

Good morning hens- we would like to announce that our new security team from the fox group will be providing protection for you. Regarding the concerns some of you have with the reputation some of the fox groups members have had in relation to hens in the past we want to assure you that the particular fox guarding your hen house has launched an in depth probe into the fox group and has assured us that he in no way needs to be feared.

In related news - we have also hired a snake to keep your eggs warm.

Sleep tight!

Some hens have been fomenting violence and engaging in hate speech against the poor innocent foxes. This has been very hurtful. All hens will participate in a series of workshops to be conducted by our selected contractors at Wiley Coyote Corp.

81 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:24:59pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Academics can take the most interesting subject and beat it to death.

For those not in attendance, the lecture may be downloaded to their Palm Pilots.

82 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:25:16pm

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

83 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:25:37pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

The failing MSM print media just call these things blogs because it's posted on the web. They really don't understand what a blog is, they're just adopting popular terminology because it's cool and trendy. Cnn has "i-Reports" just because if you stick "i" in front of anything it instantly becomes cooler. iPhone, iPod, etc.

Really? Well then, Ifart. Kewl.

84 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:25:43pm

re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You have no neighbors? How does one have no neighbors?

Won't you be? Won't you be? Please won't you be...my neighbor?

Hi Neighbor.

You can be my neighbor only if you can put up with loud music, movies and of course loud cursing for the next four years.

85 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:26:03pm

re: #5 Wyatt Earp

How long until Obama starts referring to himself in the third person?

"Obama likes you. You're just Obama's type!"

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

86 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:26:34pm

re: #55 Nevergiveup

Mega-orgy in Tel Aviv cancelled due to public pressure

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I wonder if i can get a refund on my airline ticket?

Was it a group charter?

87 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:26:35pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Academics can take the most interesting subject and beat it to death.

Hey, don't make fun of Onan U., home of the "Beating Bishops". Go Bishops!

88 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:26:40pm

re: #64 Noam Sayin'

It's funny on so many levels.

yeah and the exact opposite is true as well....might as well laugh it off tho

89 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:26:55pm

Holy Messiah on a surfboard! This multi-tusker is in Hawaii doing really cool stuff & still finds time to pronounce himself innocent of any wrong doing.

90 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:27:03pm

re: #76 Dr. Shalit

jwb -

Cheney on the witness stand before a Congressional Committee is their WORST NIGHTMARE - they talk a good game - as for walking - not so much - as it would be a LONG Walk off of a SHORT Plank.

-S-

Cheney on a witness stand. That would be spectacular!

91 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:27:07pm

re: #85 Silhouette

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

Sort of like "Big Brother Loves You?"

92 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:27:07pm

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Academics can take the most interesting subject and beat it to death.


They are professional master debaters.

93 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:27:26pm

re: #85 Silhouette

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

That's friggin' brilliant! And, it will really take off with the libs.

94 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:27:27pm

Obama team probe of Obama team finds no Obama team impropriety


Isn't this like...Conflict of Interest?

95 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:27:52pm

re: #90 Cathypop

Cheney on a witness stand. That would be spectacular!

I hope he'd have the good sense to have Ollie North represent him ...

96 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:03pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wow. This reporter loves Team Obama.


The report was ready on the 15th, but withheld at the request of the prosecutor.

97 seagreenroom  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:14pm

This is indeed comforting news, especially at this holiday time of year.

98 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:17pm

re: #92 DaddyG

They are professional master debaters.

Their will also be a legal symposium dealing with the Spanks Monkey trial.

99 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:31pm
100 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:34pm

re: #95 jwb7605

I hope he'd have the good sense to have Ollie North represent him ...

Even better. Watch the libs cry "It's not fair"

101 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:39pm

re: #94 notutopia

Obama team probe of Obama team finds no Obama team impropriety


Isn't this like...Conflict of Interest?

No. Move along.
/NYT reporting mode off

102 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:41pm

re: #85 Silhouette

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

that's just ludicrous...I'm not sure I can believe you....really?

103 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:28:56pm

re: #59 jwb7605

I remember during the campaign when Obama assured his supporters that "investigations of the current administration were not out of the question".

Then, the Blago thing.

Then, Cheney's bluntness on Fox News Sunday.

I took that as another "bring it on" invitation.

Pelosi was saying essentially the same thing before she was made Speaker, and the minute she got it now she admitted the whole idea was untenable from the start.

104 Pastorius  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:29:17pm

Is it just me, or is the LAT putting across a bit of sarcasm with that headline?

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:29:24pm

re: #84 Cathypop

You can be my neighbor only if you can put up with loud music, movies and of course loud cursing for the next four years.

Well, let's see. I have Mandy, Walter, and many other sailor Lizards. (Cursing? Check.)
I have Rawmuse, 3 Wood, DorianGray, and many other musical Lizard friends. (Loud Music? Check.)
I have countless Lizard friends who enjoy movies. (Movies? Check.)

Yep. Howdy neighbor!

106 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:29:39pm

re: #91 Walter L. Newton

Sort of like "Big Brother Loves You?"

Happy Obama to you, my friend.

And Merry Obama to all, and to all a good Obama.

107 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:29:42pm

and the left will applaud his honesty and integrity.
how could anyone question it.
for he is the messiah.
having rising 'unscathed and untainted' from the shitty chicago cesspool he now distances himself from, w/ impunity.
all hail the O.

108 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:29:53pm

re: #87 Occasional Reader

Hey, don't make fun of Onan U., home of the "Beating Bishops". Go Bishops!

Is that ruled by the Emir of Onan, the Prince of Persianally, the Sultan of Selfluv?

109 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:29:53pm

re: #85 Silhouette

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

Get new friends.

110 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:30:11pm

re: #85 Silhouette

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

"Palin be with you" sounds like a reasonable response. ::innocent look::

111 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:30:11pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, let's see. I have Mandy, Walter, and many other sailor Lizards. (Cursing? Check.)
I have Rawmuse, 3 Wood, DorianGray, and many other musical Lizard friends. (Loud Music? Check.)
I have countless Lizard friends who enjoy movies. (Movies? Check.)

Yep. Howdy neighbor!

Howdy!

112 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:30:33pm

re: #102 albusteve

that's just ludicrous...I'm not sure I can believe you....really?

She's always right and she never lies, so you can believe her.
/Firesign Theater mode off.

113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:30:44pm

re: #85 Silhouette

People have been saying "Y'all keep it Obama" for months.

114 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:31:16pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, let's see. I have Mandy, Walter, and many other sailor Lizards. (Cursing? Check.)
I have Rawmuse, 3 Wood, DorianGray, and many other musical Lizard friends. (Loud Music? Check.)
I have countless Lizard friends who enjoy movies. (Movies? Check.)

Yep. Howdy neighbor!

put me in for music...but it has to be dirty, vulgar, hedonistic rock and roll...yeah!

115 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:31:20pm

re: #110 Empire1

"Palin be with you" sounds like a reasonable response. ::innocent look::

ding!

116 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:31:28pm

re: #102 albusteve

that's just ludicrous...I'm not sure I can believe you....really?

It is absolutely true.

But my friend is absolutely a smart alec stir stick. That's why he's my friend.

117 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:31:30pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, let's see. I have Mandy, Walter, and many other sailor Lizards. (Cursing? Check.)
I have Rawmuse, 3 Wood, DorianGray, and many other musical Lizard friends. (Loud Music? Check.)
I have countless Lizard friends who enjoy movies. (Movies? Check.)

Yep. Howdy neighbor!

What crawled up your hairy ass? I don't curse. It's called interpretive speaking.

118 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:02pm

re: #94 notutopia

Obama team probe of Obama team finds no Obama team impropriety


Isn't this like...Conflict of Interest?

If you are not a Obama fan you should be happy. Even though the prosecutor says nothing improper happened, just think of the cover up trouble he'll be in if he was involved. Recall Watergate and dream, but I think it's much ado about little.

119 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:05pm

re: #106 Silhouette

Happy Obama to you, my friend.

And Merry Obama to all, and to all a good Obama.

Damn, I fell on my Obama!

120 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:09pm

re: #85 Silhouette

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

Not good enough, make the "O" sign with both hands.

121 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:13pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

What crawled up your hairy ass? I don't curse. It's called interpretive speaking.

"Sentence enhancers!"

122 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:32pm
123 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:34pm

re: #117 Walter L. Newton

What crawled up your hairy ass? I don't curse. It's called interpretive speaking.

Cabinet position for Walter!

124 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:49pm

re: #101 jwb7605

It's not just NYT. All the news outlets are headlining this Obama team release of information in the most curious of ways.

125 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:32:51pm

well they can say when things go really bad that it's an 'O'd up kind a deal'...or whatever

126 Cathypop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:33:08pm

re: #114 albusteve

put me in for music...but it has to be dirty, vulgar, hedonistic rock and roll...yeah!

Howdy neighbor! Added benefit - I live in a small town of conservatives.

127 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:33:18pm

re: #120 itellu3times

Not good enough, make the "O" sign with both hands.

Coincidence! That's part of the Onan U. secret handshake!

128 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:33:47pm

re: #116 Silhouette

It is absolutely true.

But my friend is absolutely a smart alec stir stick. That's why he's my friend.

thats fine...it takes all kinds...but I mean thats spooky

129 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:34:13pm

There will be a lot of Barracking in this administration.

130 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:34:20pm

re: #5 Wyatt Earp

How long until Obama starts referring to himself in the third person?

"Obama likes you. You're just Obama's type!"

Hasn't he already done this? Didn't he have a speech where he said,
"We are the ones you've been waiting for . . ." or something like that?

131 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:34:31pm

re: #104 Pastorius

I find it quite sarcastic...

132 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:34:37pm

Hot yellow tingling™

133 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:34:40pm

re: #127 Occasional Reader

Coincidence! That's part of the Onan U. secret handshake!

Wait a minute. I just Googled "Onan U." I think you are making that up?

134 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:34:41pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What am I since I do all three as well as belch and fart a lot? ;)

135 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:34:43pm

re: #119 opnion

Damn, I fell on my Obama!

LOL! and Ding!

136 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:35:01pm

re: #86 DaddyG

Was it a group charter?

I bought it on LAY away.

137 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:35:11pm

re: #124 notutopia

It's not just NYT. All the news outlets are headlining this Obama team release of information in the most curious of ways.

I suspect it is a set up so that when the real news hits the fan they can later claim- "we already did a story on that, it's old news, nothing new to see here..."

138 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:35:12pm

re: #121 Wyatt Earp

"Sentence enhancers!"

Mr. Krabs won't like those! ;)

139 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:35:38pm

re: #135 Empire1

LOL! and Ding!

Thanx!

140 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:35:52pm

re: #130 reine.de.tout

Hasn't he already done this? Didn't he have a speech where he said,
"We are the ones you've been waiting for . . ." or something like that?

OOPS.
What I was thinking about was not 3rd person references.
It was the royal "we".

141 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:36:05pm

re: #130 reine.de.tout

Hasn't he already done this? Didn't he have a speech where he said,
"We are the ones you've been waiting for . . ." or something like that?

Yes, he did. Good call!

"Obama is raising your taxes. Obama wants to spread the wealth around." It works on so many levels!

142 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:36:49pm

re: #124 notutopia

It's not just NYT. All the news outlets are headlining this Obama team release of information in the most curious of ways.

Drudge Report ALL RED CAPS HEADLINE points to Smoking Gun article.

143 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:36:56pm

re: #140 reine.de.tout

OOPS.
What I was thinking about was not 3rd person references.
It was the royal "we".

Actually, for Obama, it would probably be the royal "oui."

144 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:36:58pm

re: #141 Wyatt Earp

Yes, he did. Good call!

"Obama is raising your taxes. Obama wants to spread the wealth around." It works on so many levels!

Yes, but I got completely confused.
He was using the royal "we" in reference to himself, not a 3rd person reference.

Much the same ego needed, though.

145 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:37:09pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, let's see. I have Mandy, Walter, and many other sailor Lizards. (Cursing? Check.)
I have Rawmuse, 3 Wood, DorianGray, and many other musical Lizard friends. (Loud Music? Check.)
I have countless Lizard friends who enjoy movies. (Movies? Check.)

Yep. Howdy neighbor!

Hey! what about me? you forgot sports!
/ no friggin respect...
LOL

146 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:37:12pm

re: #130 reine.de.tout

Hasn't he already done this? Didn't he have a speech where he said,
"We are the ones you've been waiting for . . ." or something like that?

that was certainly clever on his part.
putting so many fawning jerks on the same level as his anointed self.
they loved it.
that was great con artist mumbo jumbo from the O.

147 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:37:18pm

re: #143 Wyatt Earp

Actually, for Obama, it would probably be the royal "oui."

LOL.
Oui!

148 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:37:26pm

re: #126 Cathypop

Howdy neighbor! Added benefit - I live in a small town of conservatives.

that's fine...personally I dont care to know my neighbors political disposition....he and his boys are well armed and thats enough for me....

149 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:37:27pm

From the bio of the author of above headline

Early lessons included learning the alphabetical list of states by watching televised roll calls of national political conventions.

I'm all for learning the states (so you don't slip up and think there are 57 or something) but isn't there a more efficient way than watching two roll calls every four years?

Like written on a piece of paper, or in a book, or something crazy like that.

150 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:37:49pm

re: #141 Wyatt Earp

Yes, he did. Good call!

"Obama is raising your taxes. Obama wants to spread the wealth around." It works on so many levels!


It does & fun too.
Lets all form a perfect Obama Nation!

151 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:38:06pm

re: #146 nyc redneck

that was certainly clever on his part.
putting so many fawning jerks on the same level as his anointed self.
they loved it.
that was great con artist mumbo jumbo from the O.

Are you inside my head?
Sometimes you post something that's in there, but I just haven't figured out the best way to say it yet . . .

152 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:38:18pm

re: #85 Silhouette

A friend of mine is trying to start a trend of using "Obama" as a greeting like aloha. It means hello, goodbye, peace, whatever.

"Obama to you. And Obama to you," while nodding his head.

The entire culture is controlled by a group of 'lawgivers' known as "The Body" which is, in turn, controlled by the omniscient Landru.
"Are you not of the Body?"

Truth is stranger than fiction............

153 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:38:51pm

re: #149 Silhouette

From the bio of the author of above headline

I'm all for learning the states (so you don't slip up and think there are 57 or something) but isn't there a more efficient way than watching two roll calls every four years?

Like written on a piece of paper, or in a book, or something crazy like that.

In a classroom, with paper and pen and chalk-board, like my daughter learned 'em.

154 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:38:56pm

re: #145 HoosierHoops

Do not also forget
Aircraft fanatic lizards.

155 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:39:29pm

re: #142 jwb7605

Drudge Report ALL RED CAPS HEADLINE points to Smoking Gun article.

I understand that "The Smoking Gun" posts mainly public information, but has it ever seemed strange to you that they do it so fast. It's almost like they are really doing this in conjunction with the government or something.

Masons?

156 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:39:51pm

re: #154 Ojoe

MAybe this link?

157 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:40:00pm

re: #150 opnion

It does & fun too.
Lets all form a perfect Obama Nation!

After four years, our entire language will be nothing more than "Obama."

"Obama, obama obama obama."

"Obama?"

158 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:40:20pm

re: #156 Ojoe

1000aircraftphotos.com

159 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:40:32pm

re: #151 reine.de.tout

Are you inside my head?
Sometimes you post something that's in there, but I just haven't figured out the best way to say it yet . . .

LOL, you do that often too.
post what i am thinking.
GMTA
:D

160 Bobblehead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:40:44pm

Thank you Team Obama! You have restored my faith in the cesspool that is the Democrat Party. I can sleep easy tonight knowing that Santa will not be leaving any lumps of coal for our Dear Leader. Whew!

161 Shug  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:40:46pm

We have a presndent who shaves his chest hair

162 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:40:48pm

re: #157 Wyatt Earp

After four years, our entire language will be nothing more than "Obama."

"Obama, obama obama obama."

"Obama?"

Oh, good gracious me.
Spare me.
Please.

163 Silhouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:41:12pm

re: #157 Wyatt Earp

After four years, our entire language will be nothing more than "Obama."

"Obama, obama obama obama."

"Obama?"

LIke the adults in Peanuts!

164 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:41:18pm
165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:41:33pm

re: #155 Walter L. Newton

Went to a funeral once, with Masonic Rites. All these guys came out wearing aprons. Whispered to a friend next to me, "Are they going to eat him?"

He giggled the rest of the way through the funeral.

One of my better moments.

166 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:41:36pm

re: #161 Shug

We have a presndent who shaves his chest hair

yuk.
we do?

167 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:41:45pm

re: #156 Ojoe

MAybe this link?

Your on a roll!

168 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:41:49pm

re: #157 Wyatt Earp

After four years, our entire language will be nothing more than "Obama."

"Obama, obama obama obama."

"Obama?"

Heres the secret, don't look in the eyes. He gas a way of emitting a leg tingle & you start sounding as childish & fawning as Chris Matthews.

169 Alouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:41:50pm

re: #163 Silhouette

LIke the adults in Peanuts!

Like the aliens in South Park!

Marklar, marklar, marklar, marklar

170 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:42:07pm

re: #154 Ojoe

Do not also forget
Aircraft fanatic lizards.

Thank you for that link...I always wondered about charles living under the Denver Airport..

171 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:42:13pm

re: #157 Wyatt Earp

After four years, our entire language will be nothing more than "Obama." "Obama, obama obama obama." "Obama?"

The Proletariats are not human beings. I’m talking about Party members. All real knowledge of Oldspeak will have disappeared. Even the Parties slogans will cease to exist. How can you have a slogan like “Freedom is slavery” when the concept of freedom has been abolished? In the end we will make thoughtcrime literally obsolete. It will be impossible for anyone to have a negative thought. In fact there will be no thought, as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking… not needing to think. (Prideful) Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.

172 96RoadKing  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:42:20pm

This just in: Franken now ahead by 47 votes in Minnesota. Soros enabled Minnesota Secretary of State sees no 'questionable' ballot issue...

173 DaddyG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:42:42pm

re: #150 opnion

It does & fun too.
Lets all form a perfect Obama Nation!

Heck let's just form the perfect Obama world!

174 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:42:50pm

re: #161 Shug

We have a president who shaves his chest hair

Did you see the AP story that has people fawning over his shirtless photos? Puh-lease!

175 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:43:12pm

re: #83 Walter L. Newton

Well then, Ifart. Kewl.


Istink!

176 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:43:22pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went to a funeral once, with Masonic Rites. All these guys came out wearing aprons. Whispered to a friend next to me, "Are they going to eat him?"

He giggled the rest of the way through the funeral.

One of my better moments.

They are the heirs to the Knights Templar.

177 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:43:30pm

re: #163 Silhouette

LIke the adults in Peanuts!

UPDING! I was trying to remember who I was thinking of. You nailed it!

178 Bobblehead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:43:51pm

re: #156 Ojoe

MAybe this link?

What is that thing the big bad lizard is wearing? Holiday attire? The tie his Mom got him for Christmas last year?

179 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:16pm

re: #168 opnion

Heres the secret, don't look in the eyes. He gas a way of emitting a leg tingle & you start sounding as childish & fawning as Chris Matthews.

That's not a tingle. It's tinkle!

180 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:34pm

re: #165 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Went to a funeral once, with Masonic Rites. All these guys came out wearing aprons. Whispered to a friend next to me, "Are they going to eat him?" He giggled the rest of the way through the funeral. One of my better moments.

I will have to remember that. My best friend (outside of the theatre) is Loran, and he is the manager of the Masonic Temple in downtown Denver. He lives on site. We are always kidding (I think he is kidding) about the secret treasure under the Temple, and the passages from the Temple to Denver International Airport.

181 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:35pm

re: #170 HoosierHoops

Did the link work? it is for "1000aircraftphotos.com"

But when I click it I get the lizard monster with the stop sign.

182 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:35pm

re: #173 DaddyG

Heck let's just form the perfect Obama world!

That's the spirit!

183 Occasional Reader  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:44:42pm

Well, gang, I'm soon to head out on that Lonesome Highway, which goes To The Danger Zone, in order to be Home For The Holidays.

Have yourselves a Merry Little Night Before The Day Before The Night Before Christmas.

184 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:45:19pm

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Emanuel Heads To Africa As Blagojevich Report Drops

Emanuel goes on Safari...
And Obama is Wave jumping in Hawaii...

Must be nice to get to vacation your way out of making
public announcements or available for questions....

185 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:45:20pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Well, gang, I'm soon to head out on that Lonesome Highway, which goes To The Danger Zone, in order to be Home For The Holidays.

Have yourselves a Merry Little Night Before The Day Before The Night Before Christmas.

Have a great Christmas, O.R.!

186 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:45:20pm

re: #179 Wyatt Earp

That's not a tingle. It's tinkle!

Damn, I knew that I felt something.

187 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:45:28pm

re: #175 Killgore Trout

Istink!

Udo?

188 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:45:47pm

Testing link to 1000 aircraft photos dot com

189 Bobblehead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:45:57pm

re: #174 Wyatt Earp

Did you see the AP story that has people fawning over his shirtless photos? Puh-lease!

He looks like he has man boobs. Sorry. That picture creeped me out. Ick.

190 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:46:08pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Well, gang, I'm soon to head out on that Lonesome Highway, which goes To The Danger Zone, in order to be Home For The Holidays.

Have yourselves a Merry Little Night Before The Day Before The Night Before Christmas.

I'm going to miss you.

191 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:46:13pm

re: #181 Ojoe

Did the link work? it is for "1000aircraftphotos.com"

But when I click it I get the lizard monster with the stop sign.

No..I got the lizard stop sign and followed the links

192 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:46:28pm

re: #188 Ojoe

Something is not working.

193 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:46:50pm

re: #188 Ojoe

Testing link to 1000 aircraft photos dot com


well been ricked every time so far....

194 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:46:57pm

re: #161 Shug

Waxes....leaves no hair stubble and moisturizes!

195 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:47:03pm

re: #172 96RoadKing

This just in: Franken now ahead by 47 votes in Minnesota. Soros enabled Minnesota Secretary of State sees no 'questionable' ballot issue...

Well, with the canvassing board declaring this ballot to be a vote for Franken, it's not surprising, is it?

196 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:47:06pm

re: #189 Bobblehead

He looks like he has man boobs. Sorry. That picture creeped me out. Ick.

He needs The Manzier . . . or The Bro!

197 Killgore Trout Stinks  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:47:08pm

re: #187 Walter L. Newton

It's a fascist lie!

198 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:47:14pm

re: #157 Wyatt Earp

After four years, our entire language will be nothing more than "Obama."

"Obama, obama obama obama."

"Obama?"

Like the Ants in the Once and Future King
That is done he is done she was not done it is done.

199 Ron Shaw  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:48:17pm

I read earlier that an Obama attorney was handling the investigation.
Good thing he found nothing remotely negative or else he would be an ex Obama attorney abagadoing from 'under the bus.'

All jokes aside, these clowns are straight out of South Park!

200 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:48:36pm

How did my sockpuppet get 13 karma? Heh.

201 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:48:41pm

re: #199 Ron Shaw

I read earlier that an Obama attorney was handling the investigation.
Good thing he found nothing remotely negative or else he would be an ex Obama attorney abagadoing from 'under the bus.'

All jokes aside, these clowns are straight out of South Park!

Let's blame it on ManBearPig!

202 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:49:16pm

re: #160 Bobblehead

Thank you Team Obama! You have restored my faith in the cesspool that is the Democrat Party. I can sleep easy tonight knowing that Santa will not be leaving any lumps of coal for our Dear Leader. Whew!

I expect next 25 December to be a worshipful festival of Our Messiah-King.

203 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:49:17pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

How did my sockpuppet get 13 karma? Heh.

You cheated and dinged yourself up?

204 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:49:19pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

Well, gang, I'm soon to head out on that Lonesome Highway, which goes To The Danger Zone, in order to be Home For The Holidays.

Have yourselves a Merry Little Night Before The Day Before The Night Before Christmas.

Best of luck on your travels!

205 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:49:30pm

re: #180 Walter L. Newton

I have sent many people out of funerals, weddings, church services with the giggles.

I'm not all that funny, just the more reverent the situation? The more irreverent I get. Catches people off guard.

I am always trying to "Tim Conway" someone.

206 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:49:43pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

You cheated and dinged yourself up?

I declare shenanigans!

207 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:49:44pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout Stinks

It's a fascist lie!

it's the malodorous one!

208 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:49:58pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

How did my sockpuppet get 13 karma? Heh.

How did your regular account get over 13 thousand.

209 solomonpanting  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:50:00pm

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

Ah, I don't know. I guess we are on the same page on this. Which is interesting that a LA times reporter would be this condensending to the Big O.

This is the same blogger, Andrew Malcolm, who was referenced on LGF earlier this month (I think). He certainly isn't cut from the same cloth as the other 99.99%.

210 Muadib  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:50:37pm

How comforting.

211 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:50:46pm

re: #192 Ojoe

Something is not working.

This works better. ;)

212 Bobblehead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:02pm

re: #202 FurryOldGuyJeans

I expect next 25 December to be a worshipful festival of Our Messiah-King.

Hallelujah!

213 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:04pm

re: #206 Wyatt Earp

I declare shenanigans!

Well, aren't you the sheriff in town?
Whatcha gonna do about it?

214 opnion  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:12pm

Later Gators

215 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:24pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

Heh, It seems to work for the Obama team!

216 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:25pm

re: #188 Ojoe

Testing link to 1000 aircraft photos dot com

/lookinf for this?

217 Shug  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:34pm

re: #166 nyc redneck

yuk.
we do?


next month we will

218 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:35pm

bbl gotta walk the dog.

219 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:51:50pm

re: #213 reine.de.tout

Well, aren't you the sheriff in town?
Whatcha gonna do about it?

Done. Now where did I put my one bullet . . . ?

220 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:52:05pm

re: #216 Killian Bundy

/lookinf for this?

You're late! ;)

221 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:52:07pm

re: #200 Killgore Trout

How did my sockpuppet get 13 karma? Heh.

What do you do when your sock-puppet is doing better than you are? When it stops taking orders? When it collects girls phone numbers and won't share?

222 Bobblehead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:52:38pm

re: #214 opnion

Later Gators

After while, crocodile.

223 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:52:59pm

re: #221 lifeofthemind

What do you do when your sock-puppet is doing better than you are? When it stops taking orders? When it collects girls phone numbers and won't share?

When it scores with your date.

224 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:53:44pm

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

How did your regular account get over 13 thousand.

Sockpuppet kiss-up?

225 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:53:55pm

Barack Obama to Swear into Office on Homosexual Atheist's Bible

Well, it seems to be official. Barack Obama will be taking the Oath of Office on January 20, 2009, with his right hand planted firmly on the Bible owned by a man who neither believed in a personal god nor preferred the company of women in the bedroom.
....
Such a thumbing of the nose at all the good old fashioned family values on which this country was founded will almost certainly come as a blow to all the decent Americans who were hoping that anti-gay rights Christian Pastor Rick Warren's prayer at the inauguration was a signal to their ranks that he would be continuing the current administration's policy of coddling them.

No such luck. By deliberately choosing the Bible of Abraham Lincoln -- a man who, if not an absolute homosexual, certainly had strong homosexual leanings, and who believed in neither the Bible nor a personal god -- Obama seems to be giving aid and comfort to the enemies of American values.


Heh.

226 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:54:17pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

Oooh, that's a good idea. Thanks.

227 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:54:19pm

re: #223 Wyatt Earp

When it scores with your date.

You've been Greenwalled

228 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:54:30pm

my advice to Republicans wanting to take back Congress

convene your own "Opposition Party Congress"

complete with "Speaker of the Minority House"
and have the most ball busting Congressman/Woman run it

hold their own shadow hearings into Team 0bama

have a fake seal made up too, like Team 0bama has done

"Office of the Speaker of the Minority House"
and so on

play hardball and play it the way they do
have hearings into everything
even mock impeachment hearings like some Democrats did downstairs in the Capitol

229 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:55:13pm

re: #221 lifeofthemind

What do you do when your sock-puppet is doing better than you are? When it stops taking orders? When it collects girls phone numbers and won't share?

What would Tyler Durden do?

230 Promethea  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:56:53pm

re: #32 Nevergiveup

Israel partially opens Gaza crossings, as Hamas voices interest on renewing truce

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Fool me once. Shame on you. Fool me twice. Shame on me

I guess it's easier and cheaper for Israel to go on playing the "game" with Hamas until the cows come home.

Despite my often furious calls on LGF for explosions of the heads of the terrorists, if I were in charge I'd probably support the same kind of phony-baloney "talks" to make for good soundbites for the terrorist-loving MSM, EU, UN, et al.

231 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:57:01pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

What would Tyler Durden do?

When I'm walking with the beast girls practically come over and ask him to ditch me.

232 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:57:27pm

Shirtless President pool party. How many can you ID ?

Party

233 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:57:29pm

Sources: 'Tex' takes Yanks' 8-year deal

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

OK Boston here we come!

234 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:58:04pm

re: #157 Wyatt Earp

After four years, our entire language will be nothing more than "Obama."

"Obama, obama obama obama."

"Obama?"

Being Baracky.

Heh.

235 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:58:29pm

re: #231 lifeofthemind

Heh.

236 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:59:06pm

re: #234 Spiny Norman

Being Baracky.

Heh.

Pretty soon, the military will spell barracks as "Baracks."

237 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 3:59:51pm

re: #234 Spiny Norman

Being Baracky.

Heh.

maybe it will be a get out of jail free card
like on Southpark with Chewbakka !

anyone remember that episode ?

238 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:14pm

re: #230 Promethea

I guess it's easier and cheaper for Israel to go on playing the "game" with Hamas until the cows come home.

Despite my often furious calls on LGF for explosions of the heads of the terrorists, if I were in charge I'd probably support the same kind of phony-baloney "talks" to make for good soundbites for the terrorist-loving MSM, EU, UN, et al.

sound bites will get you dead...maybe Israel will zig...then zag...the caps you mention are not worth one Jewish life

239 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:22pm

OT: Inauguration Day Crowd Estimate Reduced by Half

Reality yet again creeps into the Obama Utopia.

240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:26pm

re: #232 avanti

Shirtless President pool party. How many can you ID ?

Party

Was that Thomas Jefferson in a second story window with a black woman?

241 fclass308  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:38pm

They should rename the White House Obama's Baracks

:)

242 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:57pm

re: #239 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT: Inauguration Day Crowd Estimate Reduced by Half

Reality yet again creeps into the Obama Utopia.

Good seats still available! "Tickets. Who needs tickets?"

243 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:00:58pm
244 Bobblehead  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:01:12pm

Another candid picture of the One

245 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:01:13pm

re: #233 Nevergiveup

Sources: 'Tex' takes Yanks' 8-year deal

[Link: sports.espn.go.com...]

OK Boston here we come!

Somewhere out there, Casey Kotchman is laughing his ass off.

246 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:01:49pm

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, Sally Hemings (couldnt' think of the name).

247 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:01:57pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

I"m absolutely stunned this is in the LA Times.

Love the photo, too, of The One yukking it up with Blago.

The LA Times?!?

Hahahaha! BHO, nipped by his own dog!

248 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:01:59pm

re: #240 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Was that Thomas Jefferson in a second story window with a black woman?

BLASPHEMY!...Rewriters to the fore!....

249 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:02:33pm

re: #245 Spiny Norman

Somewhere out there, Casey Kotchman is laughing his ass off.

Though, in reality, it would be the Braves' management who's laughing.

Sheesh.

250 summergurl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:02:44pm

Evening Lizards -

Just saw where Drudge posted that OB one kanobi spoke to the FBI -

251 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:03:15pm

re: #250 summergurl

Evening Lizards -

Just saw where Drudge posted that OB one kanobi spoke to the FBI -

Yeah, told them to stay outta his face! :)

252 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:04:20pm

have the oddsmakers in Vegas put odds yet on an 0bama indictment ?

253 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:04:52pm

re: #122 buzzsawmonkey

I assume this is in the interest of making "Obama" into a nonsense word.

it's just a sound.
not even a word.
seriously, just a noise.

254 Alouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:05:17pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Barack Obama to Swear into Office on Homosexual Atheist's Bible


Heh.

Abraham Lincoln -- a man who, if not an absolute homosexual, certainly had strong homosexual leanings

Mary Todd was a man?

255 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:05:19pm

re: #239 FurryOldGuyJeans

OT: Inauguration Day Crowd Estimate Reduced by Half

Reality yet again creeps into the Obama Utopia.

That's sure going to disappoint every pick pocket with plains to be in D. C. on the 20th of January...

256 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:05:52pm

re: #252 Adrenalyn

have the oddsmakers in Vegas put odds yet on an 0bama indictment ?

Well, looking at the information that we have available, there is nothing indictable here.

257 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:06:18pm

this just in...Babe Ruth was female ped!

258 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:06:22pm

Frogmarch him!

/DUmmy

259 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:06:45pm

re: #257 albusteve

this just in...Babe Ruth was female ped!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

260 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:07:00pm

re: #257 albusteve

this just in...Babe Ruth was female ped!

What's a "ped?"

261 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:07:55pm

re: #255 Dustyvet

That's sure going to disappoint every pick pocket with plains to be in D. C. on the 20th of January...

Why should the pickpockets be any different than members of Congress? ;)

262 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:11pm

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

Well, looking at the information that we have available, there is nothing indictable here.

true, but there was no way Bush could have ordered a reinstated draft in 2004 and the media covered that as if it were true

263 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:13pm

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

Well, looking at the information that we have available, there is nothing indictable here.

yeah but there's plenty enough to make up a dartboard of his smirking mug...

264 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:19pm

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

What's a "ped?"

Those funny candy things in the funny dispensers?

265 summergurl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:22pm

re: #251 Wyatt Earp

Yeah, told them to stay outta his face! :)


I see where Emanuel has gone on a long-planned family trip to Africa and could not be reached for comment. I suspect he is taking the hush money to OB's relatives. Didn't hear much about his half brother that is living in a shack or his uncle and aunt who went back after the initial report. Maybe they were able to get some of that change we've been hearing about if they were quiet.

266 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:36pm

On the radio today, I heard that the mayor of Denver (John Hickenlooper) has been suggested to our esteemed governor (D) Bill Ritter by several people to fill the seat being vacated by (D-senator) Ken Salazar.

Interesting stats:
80% of democrats support the idea.
56% of independents support the idea.
49% of republicans support the idea.
Hickenlooper has publicly said he was not pursuing the seat. (He did not say he would decline it).

I personally have never met anyone who dislikes Hickenlooper.

267 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:08:54pm

re: #256 Walter L. Newton

Well, looking at the information that we have available, there is nothing indictable here.

Never stopped oddmakers before, but then this is Our Messiah-King we are talking about.

268 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:09:07pm

re: #236 Wyatt Earp

Am I the only one who got the Being John Malkovich reference?

269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:09:27pm

Speaking of Sally Hemings. Does that mean that WAB is not the first African-American First Lady?

270 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:09:39pm

re: #262 Adrenalyn

true, but there was no way Bush could have ordered a reinstated draft in 2004 and the media covered that as if it were true

What? I don't see the connection.

271 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:10:03pm

re: #260 Walter L. Newton

What's a "ped?"

short for pedophile...I made it up

272 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:10:05pm

re: #265 summergurl

I see where Emanuel has gone on a long-planned family trip to Africa and could not be reached for comment. I suspect he is taking the hush money to OB's relatives. Didn't hear much about his half brother that is living in a shack or his uncle and aunt who went back after the initial report. Maybe they were able to get some of that change we've been hearing about if they were quiet.

Who takes their family to Africa for Christmas? Really?

273 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:10:06pm

re: #266 jwb7605

On the radio today, I heard that the mayor of Denver (John Hickenlooper) has been suggested to our esteemed governor (D) Bill Ritter by several people to fill the seat being vacated by (D-senator) Ken Salazar.

Interesting stats:
80% of democrats support the idea.
56% of independents support the idea.
49% of republicans support the idea.
Hickenlooper has publicly said he was not pursuing the seat. (He did not say he would decline it).

I personally have never met anyone who dislikes Hickenlooper.

With a name like Hickenlooper, what's too hate?

274 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:10:22pm

re: #252 Adrenalyn

have the oddsmakers in Vegas put odds yet on an 0bama indictment ?

What odds do you need to bet ?

275 DoubleU  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:10:32pm

Wow, Obama isn't the Obama I knew.

276 reine.de.tout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:11:05pm

re: #272 Wyatt Earp

Who takes their family to Africa for Christmas? Really?

Is Rahm Christian? I thought not. So would he be celebrating Christmas?

277 summergurl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:11:35pm

re: #272 Wyatt Earp

Who takes their family to Africa for Christmas? Really?


Apparently it's a happening place - skiing isn't so good there I hear

278 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:11:38pm

0bama team probe of 0bama-!?

/too much information

279 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:11:48pm

re: #270 Walter L. Newton

What? I don't see the connection.

The connection is the complicity of the media. Even if there is real hard evidence against Our Messiah-King do you honestly think the FMSM won't try covering up, at least until it becomes too much? Look at the extent they go to trying to exonerate Dan Rather and his fake memo?

280 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:12:07pm

re: #276 reine.de.tout

Is Rahm Christian? I thought not. So would he be celebrating Christmas?

Who takes their family to Africa for Hanukkah, then? :)

281 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:12:41pm

re: #272 Wyatt Earp

Who takes their family to Africa for Christmas? Really?

Someone Our Messiah-King doesn't want around to be interviewed in a criminal investigation, silly. ;)

282 summergurl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:12:46pm

re: #273 Dustyvet

With a name like Hickenlooper, what's too hate?


Shall I remind you of another jovial name? Huckabee? Ever since he got his own show it's been an overdoes of of the Huck.

283 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:12:56pm

Merry Christmas Barry!
NBC evening news with back to back stories on Blago and Bill Richardson.
Chuck Todd:

Obama clearly had much more involvement in selecting his succesor than he led the public to believe.


Richardson allegedly involved in "pay to play.... Obama spokesman would not comment on whether he knew aboot the investigation when he chose Richardson" as Sec Comm.

The Inauguration is a month away and the honeymoon is over.
BWAHAHAHAHA!

284 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:13:26pm

re: #282 summergurl

Shall I remind you of another jovial name? Huckabee? Ever since he got his own show it's been an overdoes of of the Huck.

*BARF*

285 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:13:32pm

re: #269 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Speaking of Sally Hemings. Does that mean that WAB is not the first African-American First Lady?

No, she still is actually, because the term was not in use at the time. It was invented during the James Buchanan administration to refer to his niece Harriet Lane, who acted as hostess at the White House.

286 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:13:45pm

re: #271 albusteve

short for pedophile...I made it up

I think I'm going to take back my apology from yesterday. It really appears that I jumped to too many conclusions that were unfounded.

287 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:13:46pm

re: #277 summergurl

Apparently it's a happening place - skiing isn't so good there I hear

But the coups more than make up for it!

288 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:14:03pm

re: #282 summergurl

Shall I remind you of another jovial name? Huckabee? Ever since he got his own show it's been an overdoes of of the Huck.

He Haw Huck has found his callin...good for him...keeps him out of the kitchen

289 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:14:22pm

re: #279 FurryOldGuyJeans

The connection is the complicity of the media. Even if there is real hard evidence against Our Messiah-King do you honestly think the FMSM won't try covering up, at least until it becomes too much? Look at the extent they go to trying to exonerate Dan Rather and his fake memo?

Gotcha!

290 summergurl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:14:32pm

re: #276 reine.de.tout

Is Rahm Christian? I thought not. So would he be celebrating Christmas?


My bad, "a long planned family vacation"...

Drop off the loot

291 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:15:16pm

re: #285 Spiny Norman

No, she still is actually, because the term was not in use at the time. It was invented during the James Buchanan administration to refer to his niece Harriet Lane, who acted as hostess at the White House.

Some questions are rhetorical, for comic effect Norman.

292 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:15:40pm

re: #286 Walter L. Newton

I think I'm going to take back my apology from yesterday. It really appears that I jumped to too many conclusions that were unfounded.

do what you need to do....I'm immune to it all

293 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:00pm

re: #273 Dustyvet

With a name like Hickenlooper, what's too hate?

He replaced Wellington Webb, who was trying to give Chicago a run for it's money.
Since he's taken office, you never hear a peep about cronyism, corruption, etc.

There were a couple of things going down that looked bad (strikes, etc.) when he first assumed office. He held some meetings, and everybody came away 'satisfied'.

THAT we could use more of in Congress.

One thing he did a couple years ago after a blizzard was propose the city increase the number of snowplows by a factor of three, or something. (There was the usual moaning about "inadequate" city response, yadda yadda.)
The city looked at the cost, and dropped the whole thing, and Hickenlooper didn't complain a bit.

I call that effective tactics.

294 Kailen  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:05pm

"Trust us, you can trust us."

Love the article. How is this guy still at the L.A. Times?

295 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:13pm

re: #290 summergurl

My bad, "a long planned family vacation"...

Drop off the loot

Hmmm... could we soon be seeing a new wrinkle in the Nigerian email scams?

296 Adrenalyn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:18pm

re: #270 Walter L. Newton

What? I don't see the connection.

there is none, other than media bias
MSM is always glad to post anything damaging to an R
no matter how ridiculous the charge
long as a Democrats makes a charge, they dutifully run it

297 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:32pm

re: #293 jwb7605

He replaced Wellington Webb, who was trying to give Chicago a run for it's money.
Since he's taken office, you never hear a peep about cronyism, corruption, etc.

There were a couple of things going down that looked bad (strikes, etc.) when he first assumed office. He held some meetings, and everybody came away 'satisfied'.

THAT we could use more of in Congress.

One thing he did a couple years ago after a blizzard was propose the city increase the number of snowplows by a factor of three, or something. (There was the usual moaning about "inadequate" city response, yadda yadda.)
The city looked at the cost, and dropped the whole thing, and Hickenlooper didn't complain a bit.

I call that effective tactics.

Wellington Webb. They called him "Beef" for short.

298 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:48pm

re: #292 albusteve

do what you need to do....I'm immune to it all

You and Yochanhan! I'm not mad, and I'm not trying to be snide, just making a point and changing my point of view.

299 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:16:52pm

re: #275 DoubleU

Wow, Obama isn't the Obama I knew.

Nor is he to some of my further left friends. Today they're upset that he's agreed to keep 150 Bush staffers at Defense per Gates request. The good news for them is the right is ticked that Gates agrees with Hillary about expanding State and doing more diplomacy. Cats sleeping with dogs next ?

300 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:18:43pm

Sheesh -- yet another police chase in the LA area on Fox. Don't those idjits ever learn they can't get away from the TV cameras?

301 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:18:51pm

re: #299 avanti

Nor is he to some of my further left friends. Today they're upset that he's agreed to keep 150 Bush staffers at Defense per Gates request. The good news for them is the right is ticked that Gates agrees with Hillary about expanding State and doing more diplomacy. Cats sleeping with dogs next ?

Some "dickless wonder" shut off the grid?

=^0

/who ya gonna call?

302 Mr. Pizza  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:19:18pm

Well..that's it! I guess they have cleared themselves. Oh, I feel so much better now.......comforting, I must say.

303 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:19:19pm

re: #297 Wyatt Earp

Wellington Webb. They called him "Beef" for short.


Beef Webb? I don't understand.....
/duh!

304 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:19:54pm

re: #293 jwb7605

He replaced Wellington Webb, who was trying to give Chicago a run for it's money.
Since he's taken office, you never hear a peep about cronyism, corruption, etc.

There were a couple of things going down that looked bad (strikes, etc.) when he first assumed office. He held some meetings, and everybody came away 'satisfied'.

THAT we could use more of in Congress.

One thing he did a couple years ago after a blizzard was propose the city increase the number of snowplows by a factor of three, or something. (There was the usual moaning about "inadequate" city response, yadda yadda.)
The city looked at the cost, and dropped the whole thing, and Hickenlooper didn't complain a bit.

I call that effective tactics.

Whoa. And he also stop any city workers merit raises for next year, and is going to ask city workers to take unpaid days off, but city council got a fat whooping raise.

Hickeldooper is just a quiet crook.

305 Spiny Norman  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:20:33pm

re: #300 Empire1

Sheesh -- yet another police chase in the LA area on Fox. Don't those idjits ever learn they can't get away from the TV cameras?

Oh they know they won't. They're on an adolescent ego trip.

Look homies, I'm on teevee! Woohoo!

306 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:20:34pm

re: #303 Jim in Virginia

Beef Webb? I don't understand.....
/duh!

No, no, Beef as in Wellington Beef!

307 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:20:44pm

re: #242 Wyatt Earp

Good seats still available! "Tickets. Who needs tickets?"

I would bet that if crowds for the inauguration are sparse, not matter the reasons, cries of racism or some such get raised by the FMSM.

308 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:20:48pm

re: #302 Mr. Pizza
First post? Congrats.

309 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:20:51pm

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

Whoa. And he also stop any city workers merit raises for next year, and is going to ask city workers to take unpaid days off, but city council got a fat whooping raise.

Hickeldooper is just a quiet crook.

He's a "quook!"

310 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:21:40pm

re: #303 Jim in Virginia

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

I hate you both.

/

311 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:22:07pm

re: #306 Walter L. Newton

No, no, Beef as in Wellington Beef!

They raise cattle in Wellington?
Or is it hunky lifeguards?

312 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:22:20pm

re: #304 Walter L. Newton

Whoa. And he also stop any city workers merit raises for next year, and is going to ask city workers to take unpaid days off, but city council got a fat whooping raise.

Hickeldooper is just a quiet crook.

Possibly, but Hickenlooper has no control over what the city council votes itself.
Walter -- we could do a lot worse!

313 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:22:57pm
314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:23:07pm

re: #310 Wyatt Earp

My wife just gave me the "you and your LGF friends are idiots" look. I'm laughing pretty hard here.

315 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:23:24pm

re: #308 Jim in Virginia

First post? Congrats.

Ditto, welcome Mr. Pizza!

316 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:23:32pm

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife just gave me the "you and your LGF friends are idiots" look. I'm laughing pretty hard here.

You're married?

317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:24:03pm

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She just called LGF "Large Goofy Friends"! HA!

318 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:24:35pm

re: #298 Walter L. Newton

You and Yochanhan! I'm not mad, and I'm not trying to be snide, just making a point and changing my point of view.

that's cool with me...one should be flexible in these trying times

319 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:24:41pm

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife just gave me the "you and your LGF friends are idiots" look. I'm laughing pretty hard here.

In think I've seen that look! Saw it yesterday when my wife caught me laughing out loud here, too!

320 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:24:45pm

re: #310 Wyatt Earp
How's the wife and kids?

321 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:24:51pm

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She just called LGF "Large Goofy Friends"! HA!

Ya want maybe we should flame her or sumthin?

322 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:25:02pm

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She just called LGF "Large Goofy Friends"! HA!

LOL. (At your comment, not at your wife, please, don't hurt me)

323 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:25:42pm

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My daughters are harassing me for my meager karma.

324 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:04pm

re: #320 Jim in Virginia

How's the wife and kids?

Great, thanks! Missus is happy she'll be in a "normal" dress for Christmas - she's springing back to shape rather quickly - and the kids are extra behaved . . . Don't wanna piss off Santa. :)

325 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:05pm

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

Even if a whole big load of Al Gore Powder blankets DC?

No matter the reason. Why let facts stand in the way of Glorifying the Anointed and Crowned Messiah-King?

326 IslandLibertarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:11pm

My last thought on it................
Team "0". Like the 'Angels at Altamont.

327 Shug  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:35pm

re: #323 Jim in Virginia

My daughters are harassing me for my meager karma.

harass and you shall receive

328 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:37pm

re: #324 Wyatt Earp

Great, thanks! Missus is happy she'll be in a "normal" dress for Christmas - she's springing back to shape rather quickly - and the kids are extra behaved . . . Don't wanna piss off Santa. :)

How do you piss off santa?

329 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:44pm

re: #323 Jim in Virginia

My daughters are harassing me for my meager karma.

I just passed 1,000. Humbling. I sent an e-mail to my friends!

330 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:48pm

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife just gave me the "you and your LGF friends are idiots" look. I'm laughing pretty hard here.

I get that one while she watches "The View".

331 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:26:58pm

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

She just called LGF "Large Goofy Friends"! HA!

I do qualify for 2/3 of that comment. ;)

332 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:27:20pm

re: #313 buzzsawmonkey

Even if a whole big load of Al Gore Powder blankets DC?

Anthropcentric Gorbal Powder?

333 SlartyBartfast  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:27:26pm

re: #323 Jim in Virginia

My daughters are harassing me for my meager karma.

It's the season of giving--I up-dinged you for that comment.

334 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:27:26pm

re: #328 Nevergiveup

How do you piss off santa?

When the 7-year old "checks" Dad at public ice skating today. Little bastard gave me a nasty bruise on the elbow. Still hurts.

335 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:27:38pm

the Princess is hiding something...elitist snob?

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

336 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:27:42pm

re: #317 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Better than "Little Goofy Friends" I 'spose.

337 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:28:17pm

re: #331 FurryOldGuyJeans

I do qualify for 2/3 of that comment. ;)

You ever see that CSI episode, "Fur and Loathing in Las Vegas"?

338 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:28:21pm

re: #334 Wyatt Earp

When the 7-year old "checks" Dad at public ice skating today. Little bastard gave me a nasty bruise on the elbow. Still hurts.

Does he ( or she ) have an agent yet?

339 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:28:35pm

Barney Frank is mad...

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) thinks that President-elect Obama picked same-sex marriage opponent Rick Warren to give the inauguration invocation because Obama "overestimates" his ability to unify people.

"Oh, I believe that he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences," said Frank, the first House member to come out of the closet voluntarily.

[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com...]

This really makes me sad to see all this infighting already. NOT!

340 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:28:39pm

re: #329 Wyatt Earp

I just passed 1,000. Humbling. I sent an e-mail to my friends!

1000 wow... Ben Hur must be trembling in his boots that you are going to catch up with him.... /s ;p

341 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:28:53pm
342 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:29:24pm

re: #340 doriangrey

1000 wow... Ben Hur must be trembling in his boots that you are going to catch up with him.... /s ;p

OUCH!

Heh.

343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:29:39pm

re: #340 doriangrey

Wha's up yer loudness!

344 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:29:43pm

re: #305 Spiny Norman

Oh they know they won't. They're on an adolescent ego trip.

Look homies, I'm on teevee! Woohoo!

I guess so -- kind of a pointless one, though. You don't often see much more than the car, and I have yet to see a face I'd be able to recognize.

It must've ended while I was in the kitchen, though, as they're on a story about old-fashioned toys now.

345 Ojoe  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:29:58pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

politics the new ipeacac

346 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:30:00pm

re: #337 itellu3times

You ever see that CSI episode, "Fur and Loathing in Las Vegas"?

No, should I have? ;)

347 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:30:25pm

re: #338 Nevergiveup

Does he ( or she ) have an agent yet?

No, he doesn't, but he picked it up much quicker than I thought. Once he is able to stop without crashing into the boards, he'll be darn good.

348 gregg  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:30:57pm

re: #280 Wyatt Earp

Who takes their family to Africa for Hanukkah, then? :)

I'd suggest he's going there to celebrate Kwanzaa, but that would open me to charges of racism, so instead I'll go with big game hunting (more specifically, elephant hunting).

349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:31:26pm

re: #347 Wyatt Earp

The other player is supposed to pad your collision.

350 summergurl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:31:41pm

re: #314 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife just gave me the "you and your LGF friends are idiots" look. I'm laughing pretty hard here.


I get that look all the time - that is the same look I give him when he talks football nonstop and I LIKE football.

351 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:31:43pm
352 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:31:58pm

re: #345 Ojoe

re: #345 Ojoe

politics the new ipeacac

Around my household...when one of our cats ups a hairball...we call it an Obamaball.....

353 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:32:07pm

re: #343 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wha's up yer loudness!

Well ya know.... ;) Just doing my best to spread the love around.... ;p

354 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:32:37pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

Barney Frank is mad...

This really makes me sad to see all this infighting already. NOT!


I'd be sadder if Frank and some others on the far left were happy.

355 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:32:50pm

re: #345 Ojoe

politics the new ipeacac

I guess Barney didn't get the message that the Obama ran on a platform of being a "uniter." It just shows you where these folks really sit, which has no connection to where they stand.

356 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:33:05pm

re: #349 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The other player is supposed to pad your collision.

In this case, it was my skull and elbow that "padded" it. I have the week off from work, so I'll be on the mend with my good friend Mr. Guinness tonight.

357 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:33:42pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

Barney Frank is mad...
This really makes me sad to see all this infighting already. NOT!


It will be a fun four years, the first two as Barry fights with the House and Senate Democrat leadership, the second two as he fights with the House and Senate Reoubican leadership.

358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:33:58pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

He's on record saying that Obama's going to be disappointed when he finds that his charm is not going to win friends.

359 Wyatt Earp  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:34:13pm

And with that, I'm off. Kids are going to bed. In case I don't get here tomorrow, I hope everyone has a great Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Pagan Festival!

360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:34:29pm

re: #356 Wyatt Earp

BRILLIANT!

361 notutopia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:34:48pm

re: #359 Wyatt Earp
Same to you Wyatt!

362 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:34:51pm

re: #359 Wyatt Earp

And with that, I'm off. Kids are going to bed. In case I don't get here tomorrow, I hope everyone has a great Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Pagan Festival!

Merry Christmas to you and your Family

363 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:35:09pm

re: #355 Walter L. Newton

I guess Barney didn't get the message that the Obama ran on a platform of being a "uniter." It just shows you where these folks really sit, which has no connection to where they stand.

In Barney Frank's case I definitely don't want to know where he sits, thank you very much. ;)

364 summergurl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:36:01pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

Barney Frank is mad...

Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) thinks that President-elect Obama picked same-sex marriage opponent Rick Warren to give the inauguration invocation because Obama "overestimates" his ability to unify people.

"Oh, I believe that he overestimates his ability to get people to put aside fundamental differences," said Frank, the first House member to come out of the closet voluntarily.

[Link: briefingroom.thehill.com...]

This really makes me sad to see all this infighting already. NOT!


Barney is ...well Barney...


THEME SONG
(Opening)

Barney is a dinosaur from our imagination
When he’s tall he’s what we call A dinosaur sensation
Barney teaches lots of things
Like how to play pretend
A-B-C’s and 1-2-3’s and how to be a friend
Barney comes to play with us
Whenever we may need him
Barney can be your friend too
If you just make believe him
(Sung to "Yankee Doodle")

(Closing)

I love you,
You love me
We’re a great big family.
With a great big hug
And a kiss from me to you
Won’t you say you love me to!
(Sung to "This OId Man")


I am sure there is a joke in there somewhere between Yankee Doodle and This Old Man...

365 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:36:29pm

re: #339 Walter L. Newton

Bawney Fwanks is mad? Who gwives a scwhit?

366 legalpad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:36:47pm

The Bush administration and pretty much all of the Republicans are sitting on their hands with regards to this.

367 Nevergiveup  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:37:28pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's on record saying that Obama's going to be disappointed when he finds that his charm is not going to win friends.

Well we all know what wins Mr. Frank's friendship. Not that there is anything wrong with it?

368 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:38:05pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's on record saying that Obama's going to be disappointed when he finds that his charm is not going to win friends.

Yes, I read that in the article. I really want Obama to do good, for the sake of all of us. Even if some of those things are not my flavor of politics.

But it already seems like this is setting up to be a whole lot of self-destruction.

Before the left gets done, they are going to eat each other alive.

(Graphic funny horror movie link - Dead Alive "aka Braindead")

Youtube Video

369 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:38:21pm

re: #364 summergurl
I hate you
You hate me
Let's tie Barney to a tree...

370 Geepers  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:38:22pm

legalpad (#366),

The Bush administration and pretty much all of the Republicans are sitting on their hands with regards to this.

Which is different from the norm how?

371 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:38:43pm

re: #367 Nevergiveup

Well we all know what wins Mr. Frank's friendship. Not that there is anything wrong with it?

Frank's charm failed on Obama? Spurned ones can be so ungrateful.

372 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:39:21pm

re: #358 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's on record saying that Obama's going to be disappointed when he finds that his charm is not going to win friends.

maybe he would know...BF is pretty oily himself...can I use that expression?

373 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:39:41pm

re: #254 Alouette

There are rumors that he had a male acquaintance. As I recall his wife was insane.

374 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:39:56pm

re: #369 Jim in Virginia

I hate you
You hate me
Let's tie Barney to a tree...

Hmmm, post's like that might explain why your karma is so low...

375 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:40:23pm

re: #359 Wyatt Earp

And with that, I'm off. Kids are going to bed. In case I don't get here tomorrow, I hope everyone has a great Christmas/Hanukkah/Kwanzaa/Pagan Festival!

Thank you, and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours!

376 legalpad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:40:24pm

re: #370 Geepers

legalpad (#366),

Which is different from the norm how?

No debate there. They provide the Dems/Socialists with cover on most things.

377 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:40:33pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

There are rumors that he had a male acquaintance. As I recall his wife was insane.

She was not very stable and it turned into full looney bin material after he died.

378 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:40:47pm

re: #368 Walter L. Newton
I'm wating for the right opportunity over the holidays to mention to my moonbat friends how happy I am with Barry's appointments. Like Robert Gates.
Change!

379 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:41:34pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

There are rumors that he had a male acquaintance. As I recall his wife was insane.

You should see the latest rumors about Washington and Lafayette. The letters the two wrote had some rather steamy passages when viewed with modern thinking.

380 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:42:01pm

re: #369 Jim in Virginia

I hate you
You hate me
Let's tie Barney to a tree...

::chuckle:: I particularly like the last line!

381 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:43:11pm

re: #369 Jim in Virginia

I hate you
You hate me
Let's tie Barney to a tree...

Results 1 - 10 of about 708,000 for tie barney to a tree.

382 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:43:32pm

re: #379 FurryOldGuyJeans

The founding fathers were fabulous!

383 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:43:54pm

re: #378 Jim in Virginia

I'm wating for the right opportunity over the holidays to mention to my moonbat friends how happy I am with Barry's appointments. Like Robert Gates.
Change!

Tis' the season to be jolly!

384 dcbatlle  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:44:23pm

PRAVDA.

385 jwb7605  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:44:29pm

re: #378 Jim in Virginia

I'm wating for the right opportunity over the holidays to mention to my moonbat friends how happy I am with Barry's appointments. Like Robert Gates.
Change!

That's one of those things you can slip in sideways, too, without being confrontational. Being "agreeable" and "impressed" and such.
What fun!

386 bulwrk  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:44:45pm

re: #380 Empire1

I particularly like the last line!

As does anyone who has had too sit through endless Barney episodes.

387 solomonpanting  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:44:54pm

Remember the news from earlier this year about record cold weather and snowfalls?

Well, it's even more climatier changier this winter:

U.K. Suffers Through Coldest Start to Winter in Over 30 Years

If the planet experiences record cold and record heat in the same years or decades, why is it considered global warming?

If Obama is half black and half white why is he considered black?

Do breadwinners in muslim and Orthodox Jewish households bring home the bacon?

388 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:45:11pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

The founding fathers were fabulous!

OT question (like OT matters at this point in this thread)

Are you a fan of the early Peter Jackson movies (IE: "Bad Taste," "Brain Dead (aka Dead Alive)," "Meet the Feebles")?

389 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:45:24pm

Good afternoon/evening everyone.
I was just reading an interesting article about the Madoff disaster, it seems any investors who did make money may have to forfeit both the profits and the principal. Never thought of that. This thing is going to take at least a decade to figure out.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

390 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:45:31pm

re: #381 jcm

Results 1 - 10 of about 708,000 for tie barney to a tree.


Does Congresscritter Frank show up in the results anywhere?

391 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:45:42pm

re: #384 dcbatlle

PRAVDA.

Verbose.

392 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:46:17pm

re: #382 Killgore Trout

The founding fathers were fabulous!

I have always admired Ben Franklin for his DOM attitude. ;)

393 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:46:38pm

re: #389 CapeCoddah

There was a suicide today over that mess.

394 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:46:42pm

re: #379 FurryOldGuyJeans

You should see the latest rumors about Washington and Lafayette. The letters the two wrote had some rather steamy passages when viewed with modern thinking.

Then there was the poem Lincoln wrote as a teenager about gay marriage and his sharing a bed with his male friend.

Gay Lincoln ?.

395 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:46:42pm

re: #359 Wyatt Earp
Hey Wyatt - hope you get a chance to at least check in tomorrow but if not, I'll wish the same back to you my friend!

396 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:46:44pm

re: #381 jcm

Results 1 - 10 of about 708,000 for tie barney to a tree.

Try Google images, really nasty porn.

397 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:46:46pm

WA State is now facing a $6.2B budget deficit. Gov. Gregoire pandered to unions for the union vote (what's new for a (D)?).

She's been forced into budget cuts, and.....

Union sues Gregoire: Bad faith

The lawsuit asks Thurston County Superior Court to compel the governor to submit a request to the Legislature to fund the pay raises and other economic parts of the five contracts negotiated by the Federation. The pacts cover 30,000 General Government workers and 10,000 employees at 12 community colleges and all four-year universities and The Evergreen State College.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I love it!

398 Geepers  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:47:23pm

Killgore Trout (#373),

There are rumors that he had a male acquaintance. As I recall his wife was insane.

Yes, and Robert was an android from planet D-34K. Edward was a puppet animated in a voodoo ritual. William was actually a spider monkey they dressed up as a little boy. And Thomas was a clockwork robot. All well know facts about Abrahan Lincoln.

399 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:48:02pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I'm not familiar with all his stuff but I loved Meet the Feebles. They tried a watered down rip off of the concept for TV a while back called something like Greg the Bunny. Meet the Feebles was just so wrong on so many levels that I just couldn't help but love it.

400 Empire1  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:48:07pm

re: #386 bulwrk

I particularly like the last line!

As does anyone who has had too sit through endless Barney episodes.

I saw part of one once -- that was quite enough to trigger severe dislike, I assure you!

401 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:48:09pm

re: #397 jcm

WA State is now facing a $6.2B budget deficit. Gov. Gregoire pandered to unions for the union vote (what's new for a (D)?).

She's been forced into budget cuts, and.....

Union sues Gregoire: Bad faith

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I love it!

Well, it's evident by your comments over the last week that the state certainly didn't spend any of it on being prepared for weather emergencies.

402 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:48:21pm

re: #390 Jim in Virginia

Does Congresscritter Frank show up in the results anywhere?

Let me see.....

If I turn off safe search....
707,895 involve tying up Barney.... but I don't think it's what you had in mind.

403 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:48:22pm

re: #390 Jim in Virginia
Hey there Jim! Long time no see (geez, you sure post EARLY in the morning!). And naturally I now have to go eat dinner! LOL!
Anyway, I hope you're doing well and that I do get the chance to "see you" later this evening or at a reasonable hour tomorrow morning!

404 Killian Bundy  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:48:43pm

re: #381 jcm

Results 1 - 10 of about 708,000 for tie barney to a tree.

/the Barney Fun Page!

405 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:48:58pm

re: #397 jcm

WA State is now facing a $6.2B budget deficit. Gov. Gregoire pandered to unions for the union vote (what's new for a (D)?).

She's been forced into budget cuts, and.....

Union sues Gregoire: Bad faith

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I love it!

Why should the state employees union be any different from the UAW?

406 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:49:08pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

I'm not familiar with all his stuff but I loved Meet the Feebles. They tried a watered down rip off of the concept for TV a while back called something like Greg the Bunny. Meet the Feebles was just so wrong on so many levels that I just couldn't help but love it.

Oh, you got that. So wrong it was spot on. Considering the budget (barely none) it was a masterpiece.

407 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:49:39pm

re: #388 Walter L. Newton

I just looked at his Wiki page. He did the Lord of the rings movies too. Heh, I didn't know it was the same guy.

408 rightymouse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:49:51pm

re: #392 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have always admired Ben Franklin for his DOM attitude. ;)

The one I admired the most was John Adams. He wasn't willing to compromise himself nor his beliefs.

Ben was a bit of a libertine personally, especially for that day and age, and it showed in how he handled things at times.

409 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:49:56pm

re: #399 Killgore Trout

I'm not familiar with all his stuff but I loved Meet the Feebles. They tried a watered down rip off of the concept for TV a while back called something like Greg the Bunny. Meet the Feebles was just so wrong on so many levels that I just couldn't help but love it.

Meet the Feebles trailer...

Youtube Video

410 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:50:11pm

re: #394 avanti

Then there was the poem Lincoln wrote as a teenager about gay marriage and his sharing a bed with his male friend.

Gay Lincoln ?.

imagine spending 14 years in determining someone was gay....what an accomplishment!...monumental!

411 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:50:26pm

re: #401 Walter L. Newton

Well, it's evident by your comments over the last week that the state certainly didn't spend any of it on being prepared for weather emergencies.

Just a couple of months ago there was a budget surplus the state representatives were contemplating on tapping and spending like drunken sailors.

412 legalpad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:50:51pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Another one of those "shock the Christians" comments?

413 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:50:58pm

re: #405 FurryOldGuyJeans

Why should the state employees union be any different from the UAW?

Why indeed......

My company announced no pay raises or promotions for the next year, unless a turn around comes sooner.

I rather have a job at my current salary, the insistent on raise and lose it.

But that's just me.......

414 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:51:00pm

re: #407 Killgore Trout

I just looked at his Wiki page. He did the Lord of the rings movies too. Heh, I didn't know it was the same guy.

Oh yes. I'm not a LOTR fan at all, but the guy has a good grasp on "epic" sized movies.

415 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:51:29pm

re: #400 Empire1

I saw part of one once -- that was quite enough to trigger severe dislike, I assure you!


The things about raising kids that no one warns you about...

416 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:52:24pm

re: #412 legalpad

Another one of those "shock the Christians" comments?

Did you even notice that the article linked to was SATIRE?

Geeeesssshhhh.

417 realwest  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:52:28pm

Whoops, time for dinner - hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.
If not, Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Propserous New Year to all!

418 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:52:33pm

re: #413 jcm

Why indeed......

My company announced no pay raises or promotions for the next year, unless a turn around comes sooner.

I rather have a job at my current salary, the insistent on raise and lose it.

But that's just me.......

You and your company must not be unionized, or you and your fellow employees are really, really smart. ;)

419 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:52:43pm

re: #389 CapeCoddah

Good afternoon/evening everyone.
I was just reading an interesting article about the Madoff disaster, it seems any investors who did make money may have to forfeit both the profits and the principal. Never thought of that. This thing is going to take at least a decade to figure out.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

Oh to be a lawyer! But the thing is redickless. If you have in hand all these statements about the fine stocks and portfolio you've been maintaining with Madoff, and you withdraw funds, who can say you did not deserve what by all credible evidence was your own money? Especially if it's less than the principal you ever put in. My advice is anyone who can receive a dime on the dollar here, should do so and not look back.

Oh, of course, that doesn't include stripping Madoff of every penny he owns, and apparently his sons, and who knows how many other insiders, that's all pretty much automatic at this point.

420 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:52:49pm

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

Oh yes. I'm not a LOTR fan at all, but the guy has a good grasp on "epic" sized movies.

what?...no LOTR fan...hmmmm...rethinking here

421 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:53:12pm

re: #409 Walter L. Newton

Lol! I haven't even thought of that movie in ages. That was back in my David Lynch phase.

422 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:53:14pm

re: #417 realwest

Whoops, time for dinner - hope I get the chance to see you all down the road.
If not, Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas and a Happy, Healthy and Propserous New Year to all!

What, no Kwanzaa?

423 Shug  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:53:47pm

re: #422 Walter L. Newton

What, no Kwanzaa?


Racist !

/

424 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:53:59pm

re: #418 FurryOldGuyJeans

You and your company must not be unionized, or you and your fellow employees are really, really smart. ;)

I think my company is smart in some ways. They'll try to keep everyone on, and be ready to catch the upturn. It's surprising how many companies get caught short in an upturn and left in the dust.

425 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:54:19pm
426 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:54:37pm

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Dune fan, eh?

427 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:54:57pm

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

Oh yes. I'm not a LOTR fan at all, but the guy has a good grasp on "epic" sized movies.

HERETIC!
BURN HIM!

428 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:55:59pm

re: #424 jcm

I think my company is smart in some ways. They'll try to keep everyone on, and be ready to catch the upturn. It's surprising how many companies get caught short in an upturn and left in the dust.

Too bad you don't need any sarcastic pain-in-ass disabled new employees. ;)

429 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:56:16pm

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Lol! I haven't even thought of that movie in ages. That was back in my David Lynch phase.

I was a rabid Lynch fan, until Mullholland Drive and at that point it became such pure Lynch, that I couldn't take it. Amazingly, watching his career through the years was like watching someone evolving in the purest essence of his vision. Then at that point, he lost everyone.

Shameless name dropping. Jack Nance (EraserHead star and other Lynch movies) was a good friend of mine).

430 legalpad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:56:21pm

re: #416 Walter L. Newton

Did you even notice that the article linked to was SATIRE?

Geeeesssshhhh.

LOL! Nah - I'm too lazy tonight. Exhausted -

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:57:31pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

Blue Velvet occasionally makes my top ten.

432 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:57:44pm

re: #426 FurryOldGuyJeans

I liked the books more than I did the movie. I did like the style Lynch chose for the set design. Very Steampunk. I really like Eraserhead, Blue Velvet and Elephant Man still holds up really well.

433 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:58:06pm

re: #427 jcm

HERETIC!
BURN HIM!

Then light me up, bubba. I found the movies to be tolerable only in the extended versions, while the books were sheer mind-numbingly boring that only a snobby critic would find any enjoyment in them.

Now the Hobbit on the other hand..... ;)

434 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:58:12pm

re: #426 FurryOldGuyJeans

Dune fan, eh?

Consider the complexities of that book, Lynch did a rather decent job on it, IMHO. I heard the Sci-Fi Channel MFTV series covered it well, since they had, what, 6 hours or so. I think I have the TV box set here and have never watched it.

435 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:58:19pm

re: #414 Walter L. Newton

Oh yes. I'm not a LOTR fan at all, but the guy has a good grasp on "epic" sized movies.

Me heap big LOTR fan, not so much the movies. Jackson did better than OK, but so many gratuitous changes, just glad there weren't more.

436 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:58:25pm

re: #418 FurryOldGuyJeans

You and your company must not be unionized, or you and your fellow employees are really, really smart. ;)

I dont know about JCM but where I work we are not union and we do do rocket science for a living, so I guess that means we are pretty smart. ;)

437 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:58:40pm

Hey, thanks for the link, Charles. I had to chuckle when I saw that LA Times headline and noticed how familiar it was.

The Obama report clearing himself came a day earlier than I expected.

438 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:58:46pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

Cool!

439 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:58:59pm

re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Blue Velvet occasionally makes my top ten.

Blue Velvet would be on top of my Lynch list at least.

440 CapeCoddah  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 4:59:13pm

re: #393 rawmuse

There was a suicide today over that mess.

Yes, sad. I saw that when it made the news late this morning. I feel bad to a degree for those who have lost everything, there were a lot of innocent victims, who had never heard of Madoff, but i have a bit less pity for the super wealthy who invested vast sums of money, most knowing nothing about managing the millions/billions they had inherited, who did so for all the stupid reasons being given. And then the SEC, who's gross incompetence, on an breathtakingly incomprehensible level, ignoring all warnings and complaints, while this took place in their laps, for 20 or so years,it is just too much to believe that no one at the SEC was involved. Someone had to be.

441 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:00:21pm

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

Consider the complexities of that book, Lynch did a rather decent job on it, IMHO. I heard the Sci-Fi Channel MFTV series covered it well, since they had, what, 6 hours or so. I think I have the TV box set here and have never watched it.

Lynch never "got" the story, clearly. Lynch isn't the kind to "get" things, Lynch - does Lynch. I have the scifi channel version, it's very pedestrian, but passable.

442 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:00:55pm

re: #437 JammieWearingFool

Hey, thanks for the link, Charles. I had to chuckle when I saw that LA Times headline and noticed how familiar it was.

The Obama report clearing himself came a day earlier than I expected.

Well you didn't actually expect the fox to admit he was eating the chickens he was guarding did you?

443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:01:19pm

re: #439 Walter L. Newton

Blue Velvet would be on top of my Lynch list at least.

Kind of funny how that works. Ask me ten times what my top ten movies are, you'll get ten answers. Many overlap, but, depending upon my mood, Blue Velvet goes in something drops out...

444 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:01:26pm

re: #432 Killgore Trout

I liked the books more than I did the movie. I did like the style Lynch chose for the set design. Very Steampunk. I really like Eraserhead, Blue Velvet and Elephant Man still holds up really well.

If you like the books then you might consider a look at the extended cut of the SciFi Channel mini-series. Forget the US cut; that is wretched beyond wretched.

445 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:01:49pm

re: #438 Killgore Trout

Cool!

Dead now. Mugged in LA at a donut shop. He was 48 when he died (I think I got that age right). He was a terrible drunk, all of his career, but Lynch kept giving him something to do in almost every one of his movies.

Remember him in Twin Peaks? Had a weekly role.

446 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:02:06pm

re: #433 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then light me up, bubba. I found the movies to be tolerable only in the extended versions, while the books were sheer mind-numbingly boring that only a snobby critic would find any enjoyment in them.

Now the Hobbit on the other hand..... ;)

then there are about 900 million snobby critics out there...and the rest of the worlds population never heard of Tolkien....

447 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:02:11pm

re: #435 itellu3times

Me heap big LOTR fan, not so much the movies. Jackson did better than OK, but so many gratuitous changes, just glad there weren't more.

Well being a big fan of LOTR before the movie came out I have to say I was impressed with how he did it. You have to admit fitting all three tomes into three epic length movies would have been difficult without some lose. I was impressed by the background stuff he put in from the Silmarillion that wasn't in the books. I hope the Hobbit gets as good as a production.

448 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:02:16pm

re: #425 buzzsawmonkey

Defining things limits them. The current gay subculture is attempting to collect as "gay" anyone who might have ever taken a walk on the wild side, whether with a passionate youthful friendship, a circle jerk at a campout, or anything else that is not as straitly defined as heterosexual.

Good point and one made by a critic of the book. The term gay or homosexual was not tossed around much in Lincoln's day. Even if he did some gay things he would not have though much of it apparently.
Today if you shared a bed with a male friend for a few years it would raise a few eyebrows.

449 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:02:26pm

While I have a minute, may I extend my sincere holiday wishes and a Merry Christmas to all lizards!

450 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:02:29pm

re: #433 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then light me up, bubba. I found the movies to be tolerable only in the extended versions, while the books were sheer mind-numbingly boring that only a snobby critic would find any enjoyment in them.

Now the Hobbit on the other hand..... ;)

Oy. It's a matter of attention span, doncha know. Sigh. Kids today.

451 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:02:55pm

Regarding the Madoff affair, the Libs are using it to boost their argument that there should be more regulation. To my observation, Mr. Madoff did not even comply with the abundant and sophisticated regulations that are in place presently.

My question for the financial types:

What manner of new regulations would have prevented his crimes?

452 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:02:57pm

re: #443 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Kind of funny how that works. Ask me ten times what my top ten movies are, you'll get ten answers. Many overlap, but, depending upon my mood, Blue Velvet goes in something drops out...

One of the few the remains consistently at the top of my list is David Bowie's, Merry Christmas Mister Lawrence. That is a very good movie.

453 HoosierHoops  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:04:01pm

re: #449 JammieWearingFool

While I have a minute, may I extend my sincere holiday wishes and a Merry Christmas to all lizards!

Merry Christmas and keep up the good work

454 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:04:15pm

re: #441 itellu3times

Lynch never "got" the story, clearly. Lynch isn't the kind to "get" things, Lynch - does Lynch. I have the scifi channel version, it's very pedestrian, but passable.

Lynch started out as crafting sculptures. He said his movies were living sculptures.

455 FortunateSon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:04:48pm

So, how is this any different than, say, if Enron had audited itself and found no creative accounting? Or Madoff doing an internal investigation and discovering that the books are a-ok? Why do people treat those in government like they're above suspicion?

456 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:04:53pm

re: #434 Walter L. Newton

Consider the complexities of that book, Lynch did a rather decent job on it, IMHO. I heard the Sci-Fi Channel MFTV series covered it well, since they had, what, 6 hours or so. I think I have the TV box set here and have never watched it.

I have both the original US TV version (two discs) and the extended director's cut (3 discs and is the version shown on European TV), and the extended is so much better.

457 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:09pm

re: #447 BlueCanuck

Well being a big fan of LOTR before the movie came out I have to say I was impressed with how he did it. You have to admit fitting all three tomes into three epic length movies would have been difficult without some lose. I was impressed by the background stuff he put in from the Silmarillion that wasn't in the books. I hope the Hobbit gets as good as a production.

I concure...the Sil is utterly brilliant as well

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:15pm

re: #452 doriangrey

One of the few the remains consistently at the top of my list is David Bowie's, Merry Christmas Mister Lawrence. That is a very good movie.

Have never even heard of it. I'll find it and watch it soon!

459 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:17pm

re: #447 BlueCanuck

Well being a big fan of LOTR before the movie came out I have to say I was impressed with how he did it. You have to admit fitting all three tomes into three epic length movies would have been difficult without some lose. I was impressed by the background stuff he put in from the Silmarillion that wasn't in the books.

I don't recall any, can you remind me? There was a touch of stuff from the appendices, I think, but I'd have to get back atcha with specifics on that.

460 Thanos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:19pm

re: #452 doriangrey

One of the few the remains consistently at the top of my list is David Bowie's, Merry Christmas Mister Lawrence. That is a very good movie.

I knew we agreed on some things.

461 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:41pm

re: #446 albusteve

then there are about 900 million snobby critics out there...and the rest of the worlds population never heard of Tolkien....

Pleased to meetcha, snobby critic ;)

462 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:43pm

re: #429 Walter L. Newton

I was a rabid Lynch fan, until Mullholland Drive and at that point it became such pure Lynch, that I couldn't take it. Amazingly, watching his career through the years was like watching someone evolving in the purest essence of his vision. Then at that point, he lost everyone. ) .

Blue Velvet was one of the strangest movies I've ever seen.

463 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:05:56pm

re: #451 rawmuse

Regarding the Madoff affair, the Libs are using it to boost their argument that there should be more regulation. To my observation, Mr. Madoff did not even comply with the abundant and sophisticated regulations that are in place presently.

My question for the financial types:

What manner of new regulations would have prevented his crimes?

As usual, enforcement of existing laws and regulations would probably have prevented it ten times over.

464 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:06:06pm

re: #428 FurryOldGuyJeans

Too bad you don't need any sarcastic pain-in-ass disabled new employees. ;)

We're still hiring in one division, Applications Engineers, these guys help customers design our chips into their products. The thinking is better, faster, customer service will win large orders.

It pays off, a large nameless company was designing products with touch screen interface, something we're working very hard on. Originally they chose a competitor based on price. 4 weeks from product launch the competitor's solution wasn't working, they gave us a chance. In two weeks we had it completely up and running in time for product launch. We did in two weeks what our competitor couldn't do in 6 months. Who's gonna' get the order for the customer products for the next year or so? Us. We're talking $20-40 million a year because our guys busted their balls and invented something (patent pending invention) for a customer.

465 Blackacre  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:06:18pm

I'd call the report a "whitewash" if it wasn't so damned racist.

466 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:06:28pm

re: #456 FurryOldGuyJeans

I have both the original US TV version (two discs) and the extended director's cut (3 discs and is the version shown on European TV), and the extended is so much better.

I just checked. I have the 3 disk directors cut. Hey, really nice packaging. Maybe I should watch it someday.

467 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:06:57pm

re: #433 FurryOldGuyJeans

Then light me up, bubba. I found the movies to be tolerable only in the extended versions, while the books were sheer mind-numbingly boring that only a snobby critic would find any enjoyment in them.

Now the Hobbit on the other hand..... ;)

LOL!

You Furry Guy, up on the faggot pile with Walter!

;-P

468 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:07:01pm
469 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:07:22pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

Nice package, Walter.

Wait! That didn't come out right!

470 uptight  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:07:31pm

If there was one Obamanaut I'd keep it would be Rahm Emanuel.

471 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:07:45pm

re: #462 Jim in Virginia

Blue Velvet was one of the strangest movies I've ever seen.

The director, David Lynch, is a rabid fan of "film noir." And Blue Velvet would certainly be the ultimate noir.

472 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:08:04pm

re: #463 itellu3times

As usual, enforcement of existing laws and regulations would probably have prevented it ten times over.

You confirmed my evaluation. What good are more laws without enforcement?
None. Or worse, it simply breeds contempt for the law.

473 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:08:08pm

re: #461 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pleased to meetcha, snobby critic ;)

ROTFLMAO.... Say's the self admitted grumpy old curmudgeon.... ;p

474 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:08:10pm

re: #459 itellu3times

Well essentially the opening of Fellowship of the Ring was all from the Silmarillion. Nothing like that was in the appendices or the book itself. There were a few other pieces here or there that were just background if you weren't paying attention or hadn't read any of the books you would have missed. Key words are subltly and well crafted if you think about it.

475 Thanos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:08:47pm

An example of noveau noir would be Blade Runner

476 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:08:58pm

re: #462 Jim in Virginia

Blue Velvet was one of the strangest movies I've ever seen.

Jim...it's a sculpture, not a movie...get with it bro

477 Jim in Virginia  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:09:23pm

re: #451 rawmuse

Regarding the Madoff affair, the Libs are using it to boost their argument that there should be more regulation. To my observation, Mr. Madoff did not even comply with the abundant and sophisticated regulations that are in place presently.

My question for the financial types:

What manner of new regulations would have prevented his crimes?

Same with spectacular gun crimes. Perps did not comply with the existing gun regs so we must have new ones.

478 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:09:55pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

I just checked. I have the 3 disk directors cut. Hey, really nice packaging. Maybe I should watch it someday.

Do take some time to let it titillate your senses then. And since you are in the theater you might enjoy the theatrical staging/lighting effects and set dressing used. A lot of critics hated that, but I found it intriguing.

479 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:10:34pm

re: #475 Thanos

An example of noveau noir would be Blade Runner

Right. Funny, I couldn't stand that movie. I have that here too!

480 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:10:39pm

re: #471 Walter L. Newton

The director, David Lynch, is a rabid fan of "film noir." And Blue Velvet would certainly be the ultimate noir.

Anyone else here get sucked into Twin Peaks ? We had the TP parties, the pie, the log, crazy time.

481 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:10:58pm

re: #467 jcm

LOL!

You Furry Guy, up on the faggot pile with Walter!

;-P

You calling Walter and me faggots now, hmmmm? ;)

482 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:11:09pm

re: #474 BlueCanuck

Well essentially the opening of Fellowship of the Ring was all from the Silmarillion. Nothing like that was in the appendices or the book itself. There were a few other pieces here or there that were just background if you weren't paying attention or hadn't read any of the books you would have missed. Key words are subltly and well crafted if you think about it.

Every bit of the opening is in the trilogy, mostly Gandalf's words and the Council of Elrond. And of course they give Galadriel Treebeard's lines, slightly altered.

483 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:11:27pm

re: #466 Walter L. Newton

It was really well done. One thing you should check out in the flash sequences of the second part is it foreshadows and shows the future as Paul Atredies sees it. Have to pause and flip through frame by frame to do it. I don't think you would have been able to see it on a VHS tape if you tried.

/hey, I got curious when I saw it when I rented it.

484 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:11:49pm

re: #473 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... Say's the self admitted grumpy old curmudgeon.... ;p

Truth in advertising, you know. ;)

485 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:12:22pm

re: #478 FurryOldGuyJeans

Do take some time to let it titillate your senses then. And since you are in the theater you might enjoy the theatrical staging/lighting effects and set dressing used. A lot of critics hated that, but I found it intriguing.

I will try to get to it some time. At least it will be on my list, now that I was reminded that I have it. I've picked up a lot of movies that I have never watched.

I still have Saw IV here, unopened. Same with Cloverfield.

486 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:12:32pm

re: #444 FurryOldGuyJeans

Thanks, I'll check it out.

487 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:13:24pm

re: #477 Jim in Virginia

Same with spectacular gun crimes. Perps did not comply with the existing gun regs so we must have new ones.

Why punish the criminals since that doesn't work. Punishing the innocent does.

488 FortunateSon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:13:26pm

re: #459 itellu3times

To jump in here, if you watch the extras in the super-extended DVDs (as I just did today, coincidence of all coincidences), you notice that the artwork and architecture of, for example, Minas Morgul (neé Minas Ithil) and Cirith Ungol reflect the distinct styles of the Numenorians.

To make this style believable, they did more design work than ever showed up on screen, and the depth of work they created, though not seen directly, really shows up.

489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:13:27pm

re: #485 Walter L. Newton

Have you seen Cloverfield yet? I loved it.

490 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:13:52pm

re: #475 Thanos

An example of noveau noir would be Blade Runner

Good movie indeed, even if the name was stolen from a completely different novel than the book the movie was based on...

The Bladerunner

Blade Runner

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

491 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:13:55pm

re: #483 BlueCanuck

I'll put it towards the top of my list.

492 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:14:38pm

re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you seen Cloverfield yet? I loved it.

I liked it, except it had no soundtrack. If that becomes a trend, I am fooked.

493 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:14:52pm

re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you seen Cloverfield yet? I loved it.

Can't you read bastard, I said I haven't opened it yet:)

494 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:14:53pm

Okay quick question here for fellow Lizards. How many of you have picked up a book after seeing the movie? Or haven't gone to the movie because you read the book? Thoughts? Feelings? Discuss. :)

495 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:15:02pm

re: #445 Walter L. Newton

Remember him in Twin Peaks? Had a weekly role.


I loved Twin Peaks. I had no idea. Lynhc sure was one of those guys who liked using the same actors.

496 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:15:36pm

re: #481 FurryOldGuyJeans

You calling Walter and me faggots now, hmmmm? ;)

I think Mandy left the clue bat over in the corner, should it be needed...:)

497 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:15:47pm

re: #481 FurryOldGuyJeans

You calling Walter and me faggots now, hmmmm? ;)

ROTFLMAO.... I suspect, though perhaps I'm wrong, he's suggesting an old fashioned pile of sticks and twigs that need a good burning.... ;p

498 stevieray  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:16:14pm

re: #476 albusteve

Jim...it's a sculpture, not a movie...get with it bro

I thought it was a text. Everything is a text these days.

499 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:16:27pm

re: #479 Walter L. Newton

Right. Funny, I couldn't stand that movie. I have that here too!

I must be weird like you in that I actually like a movie that has a plot; style over substance just bores me.

500 Alouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:17:06pm

re: #489 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Have you seen Cloverfield yet? I loved it.

I thought it sucked. In fact I thought it was the second most sucky movie of all time.

501 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:17:07pm

re: #496 Dustyvet

I think Mandy left the clue bat over in the corner, should it be needed...:)

It's a custom made Hickory Clue-by-Four.... Dad gumb it....

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:17:16pm

re: #493 Walter L. Newton

Thought you may have seen it, then purchased it. Something that many people do. If you can pull yourself away from the porn long enough, watch the damn thing!

503 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:17:32pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

I loved Twin Peaks. I had no idea. Lynhc sure was one of those guys who liked using the same actors.

He treated his favorites like a company. Also, he like the fact that he could get these actors to do thing that were really demeaning. It's not easy to get all that grit out of your actors unless they trust you to the ninths.

504 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:17:48pm

re: #500 Alouette

I thought it sucked. In fact I thought it was the second most sucky movie of all time.

Worse than Plan 9 from Outer Space?

505 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:18:12pm

re: #494 BlueCanuck

I stayed away from Fight Club when it came out because it was marketed as a mainstream macho Brad Pitt vehicle. Once I saw the film I was really impressed and inspired to read the book. I'm now a big Chuck Palahniuk fan and I buy all his books.

506 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:18:14pm

re: #488 FortunateSon

To jump in here, if you watch the extras in the super-extended DVDs (as I just did today, coincidence of all coincidences), you notice that the artwork and architecture of, for example, Minas Morgul (neé Minas Ithil) and Cirith Ungol reflect the distinct styles of the Numenorians.

To make this style believable, they did more design work than ever showed up on screen, and the depth of work they created, though not seen directly, really shows up.

Yes, but that was the art direction, with which one might quibble though it was generally outstanding, in any case the Silmarillion is not an architecture manual.

I've got most all the disks yet issued, and have been through them all once, including all the alternate audio tracks. I'm about an eight on the geek scale for this, I don't speak Elvish or even write Tengwar, but I know the books and both versions of all three films, disturbingly well.

... and I have not read the HOME stuff.

507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:18:37pm

re: #500 Alouette

I thought it sucked. In fact I thought it was the second most sucky movie of all time.

Funny that you should say that...one of the most hated/loved movies. Very few people in the middle on that one.

508 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:18:53pm

re: #497 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... I suspect, though perhaps I'm wrong, he's suggesting an old fashioned pile of sticks and twigs that need a good burning.... ;p

That is exactly what I meant.....what were you thinking I meant, eh? ;)

509 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:19:02pm

re: #482 itellu3times

Every bit of the opening is in the trilogy, mostly Gandalf's words and the Council of Elrond. And of course they give Galadriel Treebeard's lines, slightly altered.

I have read LOTR and the Sil so many times I forget where they overlap...especially with regard to the trilogies appendices...it seems that Isilders downfall was discussed at the council of Elrond...I may be wrong

510 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:19:08pm

re: #490 doriangrey

Good movie indeed, even if the name was stolen from a completely different novel than the book the movie was based on...

The Bladerunner

Blade Runner

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

Good evening, Lizards.

I might add that the title was used even earlier, in the early 1960s, for a film outline, Blade Runner; A Movie, by William S. Burroughs. The end credits of the International Cut include a credit line mentioning this.

/I prefer the original theatrical version, with Deckard's voiceover narration, to any of the later cuts.

cheers

eon

511 Thanos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:19:58pm

re: #479 Walter L. Newton

The narrated version isn't the best, recommend you watch the other, and during the movie try to figure out if Deckard's a replicant himself or not.

512 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:20:04pm

I rented "Mongol". I thought it was a great, epic movie. Great scenery. Battle scenes with massed armies. Very good soundtrack with everything from tuven throat singers to orchestras to heavy metal. It is a foreign film, and there are subtitles.
And, on top of that, a solid love story. Something for everyone.

513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:20:11pm

re: #505 Killgore Trout

Brad Pitt is actually a decent actor. Burn After Reading, he was good. Se7en thought he was really good. 12 Monkeys thought he was genius.

514 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:20:44pm

re: #499 FurryOldGuyJeans

I must be weird like you in that I actually like a movie that has a plot; style over substance just bores me.

I love style to a point. Like I said above, that's why I stopped watching Lynch. Mullholland Drive was all style, a complete evolution of everything Lynch had been doing for years. I have it here, never could finish it. And I been a fan of Lynch ever since the beginning.

"The Fifth Element" is a good example of a movie with very unique and new style, but doesn't get lost in all that. For me, it's one of the best sci-fi's ever made.

515 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:20:50pm

re: #510 eon

Good evening, Lizards.

I might add that the title was used even earlier, in the early 1960s, for a film outline, Blade Runner; A Movie, by William S. Burroughs. The end credits of the International Cut include a credit line mentioning this.

/I prefer the original theatrical version, with Deckard's voiceover narration, to any of the later cuts.

cheers

eon

Ridley Scott can't leave well enough alone, just like Spielberg.

516 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:20:54pm

re: #508 FurryOldGuyJeans

That is exactly what I meant.....what were you thinking I meant, eh? ;)

Ummm, ah.... Well, er.... I just didn't want you thinking that you were thinking he was calling you a British cigarette. Yea, that's the ticket... A British cigarette... ;p

517 Alouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:21:01pm

re: #504 doriangrey

Worse than Plan 9 from Outer Space?

I never saw Plan 9.

518 Dustyvet  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:21:14pm

re: #501 doriangrey

It's a custom made Hickory Clue-by-Four.... Dad gumb it....

Oh, I'll remember that...:)

519 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:21:17pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

I loved Twin Peaks. I had no idea. Lynhc sure was one of those guys who liked using the same actors.

John Wayne and Clint Eastwood did the same thing...took care of their buddies so to speak

520 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:22:10pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

I love style to a point. Like I said above, that's why I stopped watching Lynch. Mullholland Drive was all style, a complete evolution of everything Lynch had been doing for years. I have it here, never could finish it. And I been a fan of Lynch ever since the beginning.

"The Fifth Element" is a good example of a movie with very unique and new style, but doesn't get lost in all that. For me, it's one of the best sci-fi's ever made.

Style with a plot is excellent. Just throw style all over the screen and throw out the plot and I revolt. Seems we have very similar tastes.

521 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:22:16pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

I loved Twin Peaks. I had no idea. Lynhc sure was one of those guys who liked using the same actors.

North Bend, WA, still gets Twin Peaks tourists, they still go into the coffee shop looking for pie.

522 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:22:36pm

If you like movies that are so bad, that they are funny, check out
Sukiyaki Django Western

523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:22:55pm

My son took a film class in college. Prof asked favorite French movie... son says "Fifth Element". Teacher was very happy with him.

524 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:23:03pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

"The Fifth Element" is a good example of a movie with very unique and new style, but doesn't get lost in all that. For me, it's one of the best sci-fi's ever made.

It doesn't hurt that Milla Jovovich is soooo easy on the eyes either.....

525 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:23:19pm

re: #517 Alouette

I never saw Plan 9.

You have missed some of the best bad acting, abysmal dialog, and cheap crap sets of all time. ;)

526 Thanos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:23:20pm

re: #490 doriangrey

I found and read the original when I was looking for an Andre Norton book:

The novel The Bladerunner (also published as The Blade Runner) is a 1974 science fiction novel by Alan E. Nourse.

The novel's protagonist is Billy Gimp, a man with a club foot who runs "blades" for Doc (Doctor John Long) as part of an illegal black market for medical services. The setting is a society where free, comprehensive medical treatment is available for anyone so long as they qualify for treatment under the Eugenics Laws. Preconditions for medical care include sterilization, and no legitimate medical care is available for anyone who does not qualify or does not wish to undergo the sterilization procedure (including children over the age of five). These conditions have created illegal medical services in which bladerunners supply black-market medical supplies for underground practitioners, who generally go out at night to see patients and perform surgery.

527 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:23:25pm

re: #521 jcm

North Bend, WA, still gets Twin Peaks tourists, they still go into the coffee shop looking for pie.

And...

Mighty Fine Coffee.

528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:23:46pm

re: #524 doriangrey

Multi-pass.

Damn right. Multi.

529 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:24:02pm

re: #524 doriangrey

It doesn't hurt that Milla Jovovich is soooo easy on the eyes either.....

Do not link to any naked pictures of her, please.

530 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:24:38pm

re: #523 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My son took a film class in college. Prof asked favorite French movie... son says "Fifth Element". Teacher was very happy with him.

City of the Lost Children.

531 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:24:46pm

Of course!
If this report is to be believed then I have a bridge you might be interested in.

532 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:24:58pm

re: #526 Thanos

I found and read the original when I was looking for an Andre Norton book:

I dont remember how I stumbled upon it, but I did love it.

533 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:25:02pm

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

Do not link to any naked pictures of her, please.

You just can't do so without the Lizard Inquisition descending. Anyone else is fine. ;)

534 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:25:12pm

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

City of the Lost Children.

Anything with Jerry Lewis.
/

535 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:25:56pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

Pitch Black, that is one of my top list Sci-Fi movies. Although you could also classify it as horror. Still a good story, and very minimalist in everything. The sequel wasn't bad IMHO, but not near the level of the first one.

536 Thanos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:27:02pm

re: #515 FurryOldGuyJeans

His best movie to me was The Duellists, and of course there's Alien.

537 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:27:09pm

re: #529 Walter L. Newton

Do not link to any naked pictures of her, please.

If I had naked pictures of her I certainly wouldn't be sharing them with anyone....

538 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:27:19pm

re: #494 BlueCanuck

Okay quick question here for fellow Lizards. How many of you have picked up a book after seeing the movie? Or haven't gone to the movie because you read the book? Thoughts? Feelings? Discuss. :)

I have to confess I only sat down and read the LOTR trilogy just before seeing the first film. I've had it for (literally) decades, but just never got around to reading it. (SF is my thing, generally, not High Fantasy.) My main exposure to the story before that was the old NPR radio adaptation, which I thought was very well done.

I read- well, tried to read- The Ruins, and found the book so irritating I didn't even bother checking the movie out from the public library. I saw The Relic, and read the book later- I consider the book superior to the movie.

They are now filming Atlas Shrugged, with Angelina Jolie (probably playing Dagny Taggart). I'm wondering if it will be done honestly, considering that most Hollywood "VIPs" would consider Taggart, Galt, etc., to be soulless villains and the likes of James Taggart, Wesley Mouch, etc., to be genuine "heroes of the peole"- rather as they see themselves.

/Picturing Sean Penn as James Taggart- ugh.

cheers

eon

539 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:27:26pm

re: #513 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's a very good actor and he was brilliant in 12 monkeys. As I recall the original trailer for Fight Club just rubbed me the wrong way. It looked like pretty boy phony machismo. It was a great movie.

540 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:27:38pm

re: #526 Thanos

I found and read the original when I was looking for an Andre Norton book:

Now, for new noir, Dark City did it for me, great flick.

541 FortunateSon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:28:11pm

re: #506 itellu3times

I'm probably about an 8 on that scale as well, if not a 9; I hand-replicated all of the maps from the books (as well as the Hobbit, never could get the moon-writing figured out) by hand, on cotton rag paper, in india ink which I then stained with tea leaves. The Middle Earth map is still hanging, framed, on my wall. I colored it with other inks as well. I was watching the film extras today to find the brief bit on maps, as they did quite a beautiful job with theirs and I have been meaning to make a new one (the old one is probably seven or eight years old now).

It's really my one fantasy indulgence, as I could never quite get into other series; I guess I figured one complete fantasy world was enough for me, and few can compete with Tolkien's in both scope and detail.

But no, I don't speak Quenya or Sindarin.

542 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:28:49pm

re: #535 BlueCanuck

Pitch Black, that is one of my top list Sci-Fi movies. Although you could also classify it as horror. Still a good story, and very minimalist in everything. The sequel wasn't bad IMHO, but not near the level of the first one.

I'm not a horror fan at all, although I do have two favorite "series." And I suspect I'm going to get slammed on this.

Saw
Cube

543 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:29:13pm

re: #453 HoosierHoops

Merry Christmas and keep up the good work

Thanks. Right now all the good work going on is in the kitchen.

544 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:29:51pm

re: #543 JammieWearingFool

Thanks. Right now all the good work going on is in the kitchen.

On the table or the stove? Frisky?

545 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:30:00pm

re: #530 Walter L. Newton

City of the Lost Children.

A brilliant movie. Which reminds me of another great film La Femme Nakita, which just doesn't get enough respect anymore.

546 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:30:31pm

re: #542 Walter L. Newton

I'm not a horror fan at all, although I do have two favorite "series." And I suspect I'm going to get slammed on this.

Saw
Cube

Never saw either one, and dont care to.

547 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:30:54pm

re: #545 Killgore Trout

A brilliant movie. Which reminds me of another great film La Femme Nakita, which just doesn't get enough respect anymore.

It would come as no surprise to anyone here that I love most French films.

548 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:31:34pm

re: #541 FortunateSon

I'm probably about an 8 on that scale as well, if not a 9; I hand-replicated all of the maps from the books (as well as the Hobbit, never could get the moon-writing figured out) by hand, on cotton rag paper, in india ink which I then stained with tea leaves. The Middle Earth map is still hanging, framed, on my wall. I colored it with other inks as well. I was watching the film extras today to find the brief bit on maps, as they did quite a beautiful job with theirs and I have been meaning to make a new one (the old one is probably seven or eight years old now).

It's really my one fantasy indulgence, as I could never quite get into other series; I guess I figured one complete fantasy world was enough for me, and few can compete with Tolkien's in both scope and detail.

But no, I don't speak Quenya or Sindarin.

another junkie!...haha...it's alot and it's timeless..they could break up the Sil and make a whole bunch of movies...think of it

549 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:31:40pm

I'm going to make a salad, haven't eaten today at all. BBIAB.

550 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:31:59pm

re: #546 doriangrey

Never saw either one, and dont care to.

These slasher films aren't really "horror" anyway. I think they're horribly sick, actually. Their one redeeming social value, is that they are non-PC.

551 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:33:32pm

......

My head just exploded.

At least an Obama team led investigation into this Obama Team scandal will exonerate Team Obama from any wrongdoing.

Obama.

552 itellu3times  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:33:37pm

re: #548 albusteve

another junkie!...haha...it's alot and it's timeless..they could break up the Sil and make a whole bunch of movies...think of it

Jackson say something like that on his audio track, he could spend the rest of his life filming the missing parts and redoing old parts to fix the faults, ... and could think of nothing more horrible as a fate!

553 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:33:43pm
554 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:35:08pm

re: #514 Walter L. Newton

I love style to a point. Like I said above, that's why I stopped watching Lynch. Mullholland Drive was all style, a complete evolution of everything Lynch had been doing for years. I have it here, never could finish it. And I been a fan of Lynch ever since the beginning.

"The Fifth Element" is a good example of a movie with very unique and new style, but doesn't get lost in all that. For me, it's one of the best sci-fi's ever made.

We agree on that. As a geek with a nearly-complete collection of the first ten years of Heavy Metal Magazine it definitely got my interest. There's a more recent, and lesser-known film, Immortal, that's actually based on Enki Bilal's HM comic series "The Carnival of Immortals" and "The Woman Trap", and designed and directed by Bilal himself. Much darker than FE, but fun in its own way.

cheers

eon

555 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:35:23pm

re: #553 taxfreekiller

Why would Obama not think he could get away with high crimes and treason. Lt. for life,liar,fraud,fake war awards and citations John F. Kerry has never been put in the dock, tried and found sure guilty as hell.
In fact this thing Kerry is in our U.S. Senate, and this clown Obama will
have Harry Reid (another freak) promote him to greater power.

Until Kerry's great crimes of treason, lies under oath, making false claims for combat awards ,,, is punished for all to see, the truth known, more of these "things of crime" will commit evil crimes before our eyes and our freedom, the rule of law stands in the balance. Near the edge of freedoms light we are now, and the shadows grow.

Speaking the truth as only TFK can do....

556 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:36:06pm

re: #542 Walter L. Newton

Haven't seen Saw, but I saw Cube. As a horror/psychological thriller, it rocked. I was even willing to file it under Sci-Fi there for a bit. Haven't seen any others in that series though. Canadian production I think. BRB, going to check on that.

557 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:37:01pm

re: #524 doriangrey

It doesn't hurt that Milla Jovovich is soooo easy on the eyes either.....

So very true. Not to bad in the Resident Evil films either....

558 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:37:29pm

Gee, the next time I'm accused of anything I can already guarantee you that I'll find that I've done nothing wrong. So don't even bother to investigate me.

559 albusteve  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:38:12pm

re: #552 itellu3times

Jackson say something like that on his audio track, he could spend the rest of his life filming the missing parts and redoing old parts to fix the faults, ... and could think of nothing more horrible as a fate!

considering the scope of the books I think he did an excellent job with interpretation...his screenplay was excellent and sets just awsome...I am particulay fascinated with the Last Alliance of Men and Elves...what a story eh?...Middle Earth before the Sundering is rich stuff...imo

560 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:38:19pm

I also recently realized that Chuck Palahniuk primed me for my recent interest in zen.....
Fight Club - Chemical Burn Scene

561 RememberSekhmet?  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:38:25pm

This isn't the last of probes, corruption i9nvestigations, and the like for the next four years, I fear. Only an idiot would think Obama's clean after having risen from the sewer that is Chicago politics.

562 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:38:33pm

re: #549 Walter L. Newton

I'm going to make a salad, haven't eaten today at all. BBIAB.

Don't lettuce interrupt you. /

563 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:39:14pm

re: #558 Iron Fist

Gee, the next time I'm accused of anything I can already guarantee you that I'll find that I've done nothing wrong. So don't even bother to investigate me.

Well, thank goodness. If only all of politics adopted this attitude, our government would work sooooo much better.

564 Throbert McGee  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:39:30pm

re: #425 buzzsawmonkey

Defining things limits them. The current gay subculture is attempting to collect as "gay" anyone who might have ever taken a walk on the wild side, whether with a passionate youthful friendship, a circle jerk at a campout, or anything else that is not as straitly defined as heterosexual.

With the constant adding of letters to "LGBT"--which used to just be "gay," then "gay & lesbian," then "lesbian (women must come first because they are more oppressed), gay, bisexual and transgender", and now includes "queer" (as somehow different from "gay"), "questioning," "curious," and G-d knows what else--the clear objective is to create a coalition of the quirky which will be broadly defined enough to claim numerical parity with heterosexual activity.

Upding for being generally insightful and correct about the heavy-handedness of LGBTQXYZ Identity Politics, but I'm surprised that buzzsaw seems to view "queer" and "gay" as being essentially synonyms. On the contrary, while "gay" is often understood to refer specifically to male homosexuals, the whole point of "queer" is to be unisex, unigender, and all-inclusive -- or at least, inclusive of everyone but narrow-minded oppressive heterosexuals. In that sense, "queer" is analogous to "people of color," which assumes that everybody-but-whitey has common interests and should band together in solidarity.

565 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:40:27pm

re: #426 FurryOldGuyJeans

Dune fan, eh?

There's a new remake of Dune in the works, BTW. Hope it's a good one.

566 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:42:01pm

re: #565 NomadOfNorad

There's a new remake of Dune in the works, BTW. Hope it's a good one.

Remaking the remake? *sigh* I thought that the books "House Atredies", and "House Harkonnen" were just cheap ways for Frank Herberts progeny to keep milking the cash cow of his works.

/haven't read any of that stuff for that reason.

567 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:42:31pm

re: #561 RememberSekhmet?

This isn't the last of probes, corruption i9nvestigations, and the like for the next four years, I fear. Only an idiot would think Obama's clean after having risen from the sewer that is Chicago politics.

I expect that The One and his chosen minions will be doing the Weasel Dance for the next four years, at least. After all, Bill Clinton managed it for eight.

cheers

eon

568 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:43:32pm

re: #564 Throbert McGee

Upding for being generally insightful and correct about the heavy-handedness of LGBTQXYZ Identity Politics, but I'm surprised that buzzsaw seems to view "queer" and "gay" as being essentially synonyms. On the contrary, while "gay" is often understood to refer specifically to male homosexuals, the whole point of "queer" is to be unisex, unigender, and all-inclusive -- or at least, inclusive of everyone but narrow-minded oppressive heterosexuals. In that sense, "queer" is analogous to "people of color," which assumes that everybody-but-whitey has common interests and should band together in solidarity.

I am just mad that I can't use queer in the correct context and usage without being called a bigot. I just want to use language properly.

As In:
QUEER
–adjective
1. strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different; singular: a queer notion of justice.
2. of a questionable nature or character; suspicious; shady: Something queer about the language of the prospectus kept investors away.
3. not feeling physically right or well; giddy, faint, or qualmish: to feel queer.

569 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:45:13pm

re: #562 sngnsgt

Don't lettuce interrupt you. /

You didn't, I'm back, with the salad in front of me, making it hard to type.

Maisey the Parrot loves when I make a salad, because she gets all sorts of little samples of the goodies.

570 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:45:31pm

All you Lizards have some queer ideas.....

571 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:45:58pm

re: #569 Walter L. Newton

You didn't, I'm back, with the salad in front of me, making it hard to type.

Maisey the Parrot loves when I make a salad, because she gets all sorts of little samples of the goodies.

So what you are saying is.... That you are a very sloppy eater eh? ;p

572 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:47:38pm

re: #570 psyop

Is that an Abe Lincoln joke?

573 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:48:03pm

re: #569 Walter L. Newton

You didn't, I'm back, with the salad in front of me, making it hard to type.

Maisey the Parrot loves when I make a salad, because she gets all sorts of little samples of the goodies.

Ahhh, I have Parakeets, they love lettuce.

574 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:48:11pm

re: #447 BlueCanuck

Well being a big fan of LOTR before the movie came out I have to say I was impressed with how he did it. You have to admit fitting all three tomes into three epic length movies would have been difficult without some lose. I was impressed by the background stuff he put in from the Silmarillion that wasn't in the books. I hope the Hobbit gets as good as a production.

I'd love to see a remake of "NeverEnding Story" get the same sort of treatment. There's actually an anthology series of books set in the same universe (but with entirely new characters) that were written well after the author's death that I hear are quite something... unfortunately, there is NOT, NOT NOT an English-language translation of those, which just drives me NUTS!

I suppose if they do a movie of the old classic, and it turns out to be a blockbuster like LoTR was... they'll break all records getting those other books translated into English. :D :D :D :D

575 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:48:46pm

re: #571 doriangrey

So what you are saying is.... That you are a very sloppy eater eh? ;p

No, the bowl is in front of me, and the keyboard is on the other side of the bowl. In this way, I don't spill anything on the keyboard. But I have to stretch a bit to type.

576 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:50:27pm

re: #574 NomadOfNorad

Yeah, I read the book as well before seeing the movie. Was disappointed in that the movie ended where the book was just getting started.

/first movie that is, didn't have the heart to see any of the other ones.

577 Killgore Trout  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:50:52pm

MEET Bonnie the WHISTLING orangutan.

It is thought that 30-year-old Bonnie – who lives in the National Zoo, in Washington DC, US – taught herself how to whistle after hearing her keepers.

Bonnie also taught her orangutan pal Indah how to whistle – who created her own tunes, rather than just copying what she heard.

578 jaunte  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:51:35pm

re: #553 taxfreekiller

One of Kerry's few vet supporters, Wade Sanders, is having a few problems these days:

"A member of John Kerry's "band of brothers" pleads guilty to possessing child porn."
[Link: online.wsj.com...]
579 Alouette  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:52:34pm

re: #574 NomadOfNorad

I'd love to see a remake of "NeverEnding Story" get the same sort of treatment. There's actually an anthology series of books set in the same universe (but with entirely new characters) that were written well after the author's death that I hear are quite something... unfortunately, there is NOT, NOT NOT an English-language translation of those, which just drives me NUTS!

I suppose if they do a movie of the old classic, and it turns out to be a blockbuster like LoTR was... they'll break all records getting those other books translated into English. :D :D :D :D

What language is it written in?

580 Super-ego  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:54:39pm

So, The Office of the President-Elect remains untainted.

Wait! Who is that under the bus?

581 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:54:50pm

re: #568 psyop

I am just mad that I can't use queer in the correct context and usage without being called a bigot. I just want to use language properly.

As In:
QUEER
–adjective
1. strange or odd from a conventional viewpoint; unusually different; singular: a queer notion of justice.
2. of a questionable nature or character; suspicious; shady: Something queer about the language of the prospectus kept investors away.
3. not feeling physically right or well; giddy, faint, or qualmish: to feel queer.

Not to mention the traditional British derivations, where to be in "Queer Street" could mean either (a) owing a lot of money to other (possibly questionable) people or (b) if said by a Scotland yard inspector, meant you were most likely about to be taken in charge (arrested). And of course there was the Department of Queer Complaints in Carter Dickson's stories, which was definitely not part of the British National Health System.

/Although the Home Secretary I'm sure often wished that he could have medically- or otherwise - retired its head, Sir Henry Merivale.

cheers

eon

582 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:55:31pm

re: #580 Super-ego

So, The Office of the President-Elect remains untainted.

Wait! Who is that under the bus?

How exactly do you taint something that doesnt actually exist?

583 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:57:25pm

re: #564 Throbert McGee

Let me parse that statement...so if someone is called a queer faggot he is actually a hetrosexual (NTTAWWT)?

Sorta like a double negative makes a positive?

584 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:57:28pm

re: #582 doriangrey

How exactly do you taint something that doesnt actually exist?

Are you saying, Obama ... made ... it ... up .... ?
Stunned, absolutely stunned.

//

585 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:58:17pm

re: #583 razorbacker

Let me parse that statement...so if someone is called a queer faggot he is actually a hetrosexual (NTTAWWT)?

Sorta like a double negative makes a positive?

A queer faggot is just an odd piece of kindling......
It burns quite gayly.

586 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:59:38pm

The I miss Armageddon? Where did everyone go?

587 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 5:59:57pm

re: #584 jcm

Are you saying, Obama ... made ... it ... up .... ?
Stunned, absolutely stunned.

//

Hey... he's apparently allowed to do that, cause he's you know, the messiah...

588 Thanos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:01:16pm

I live in both hope and dread fear about what might be the outcome of this movie venture.

589 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:01:34pm

re: #585 jcm

A queer faggot is just an odd piece of kindling......
It burns quite gayly.

Oh....

Well done.

*clap clap*

590 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:01:37pm

re: #586 Walter L. Newton

The I miss Armageddon? Where did everyone go?

197 peopled logged in, you would think some of those lizards might be you know, actually posting or something...

591 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:01:59pm

re: #587 doriangrey

Hey... he's apparently allowed to do that, cause he's you know, the messiah...

I miss the old days, you know, when we elected Presidents. Not Saviours.

592 jaunte  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:02:27pm

re: #588 Thanos

I know exactly what you mean.

593 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:02:48pm

re: #535 BlueCanuck

Pitch Black, that is one of my top list Sci-Fi movies. Although you could also classify it as horror. Still a good story, and very minimalist in everything. The sequel wasn't bad IMHO, but not near the level of the first one.

As for the sequel... You get to keep what you kill. (Muahahahahahahaha!)

Loved the ending of the sequel, BTW. I found that deliciously demented sudden twist just laugh-out-loud funny, and absolutely fitting.

594 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:02:56pm

re: #589 psyop

Oh....

Well done.

*clap clap*

I am sooo going to sensitivity training..........

595 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:03:13pm

re: #591 jcm

I miss the old days, you know, when we elected Presidents. Not Saviours.

I miss the old days, when the Office of the President-Elect actually got shit done.

...Oh, wait

596 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:03:47pm

re: #594 jcm

I am sooo going to sensitivity training..........

Right after you get whacked by Mandy's Clue-by-four.... ;p

597 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:04:00pm
598 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:04:36pm

re: #593 NomadOfNorad

As for the sequel... You get to keep what you kill. (Muahahahahahahaha!)

Loved the ending of the sequel, BTW. I found that deliciously demented sudden twist just laugh-out-loud funny, and absolutely fitting.

Well, I mentioned this movie way up thread, but for funny horror, Peter Jackson's BrainDead (aka "Dead Alive") is about as over the top as you can get.

599 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:04:49pm

Evening, I seem to have missed an interesting range of conversations.

600 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:04:55pm

re: #595 psyop

I miss the old days, when the Office of the President-Elect actually got shit done.

...Oh, wait

Off to the William Ayer's memorial Re-education camp with you sir... Pay no mind to the delousing showers on the way in.... ;p

601 winston06  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:05:55pm

Team of crooks checking team of crooks and liars.

We have a saying in Persian: They asked the chicken killing fox who is your witness to your innocence? He said my tail is. ((I hope it makes sense in english))

Now this is exactly the same thing. Crooks clearing crooks. Disgusting

602 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:05:57pm

re: #597 buzzsawmonkey

..."Gay Liberation Front"...

That was the Liberation Of the Gay Front.

603 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:06:01pm

I see Drudge has an article saying that some of the Obamanation believe that Obama (Hollow be His Name) may decriminalize pot.

Like reality isn't already under strong enough attack.

604 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:06:24pm

re: #599 lifeofthemind

Evening, I seem to have missed an interesting range of conversations.

Nope.

605 rumcrook  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:06:29pm

neat trick.

I would like to be able to do that.

rob banks for instance..... .....then find myself not guilty.

606 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:07:00pm

re: #590 doriangrey

197 peopled logged in, you would think some of those lizards might be you know, actually posting or something...

well, right now i'm talking on the phone, cooking supper, reading lgf and playing w/ the dog.
i can't take on anymore responsibility.
;)

607 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:07:50pm

re: #606 nyc redneck

well, right now i'm talking on the phone, cooking supper, reading lgf and playing w/ the dog.
i can't take on anymore responsibility.
;)

Well if you weren't such a slacker..... ;p

608 Thanos  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:08:14pm

re: #592 jaunte

urk... just realized where your name comes from...

609 joekowalski247  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:08:27pm

To quote William H Macy at the end of "Thank You for Smoking"....
We're not Re-Writing history "we're IMPROVING history"

Youtube Video

(skip to 8:20)

610 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:08:28pm

re: #591 jcm

I miss the old days, you know, when we elected Presidents. Not Saviours.

You know, he may actually be some sort of Supreme Being. He told us he wanted to save us from Global Warming, and as I sit here typing this my police monitor is going berserk with emergency calls due to the freezing rain/ice storm which has paralyzed the Central Ohio area. It hit right in the middle of evening rush hour here, and now the roads are full of stranded cars in the ditches and the EMS is backed up with accident calls.

Looks like The One has already frightened Global Warming away. In fact, I'd say he frickin' overdid it.

/sarc, in case you hadn't guess by now. But the ice storm isn't imaginary

cheers

eon

611 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:08:39pm

re: #590 doriangrey

197 peopled logged in, you would think some of those lizards might be you know, actually posting or something...

I could tell you about my day. But it involves being stepped on, pooped on, and getting hit with a leather strap.

You'd pay about $150 for that in San Francisco.

612 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:09:12pm

Report on the radio just said that shoplifting during this holiday season is up 84 percent.

Why not? Why would we expect the general public not to start taking their own bailouts.

Just wait until it's more than just 5 finger discounts.

613 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:10:17pm
614 jaunte  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:10:20pm

re: #608 Thanos

Ha. Old nickname from back when it was a marvel to talk instantly on the net to people around the world. The 'instant travel' nature of that made me think of the Bester novel.

615 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:11:08pm

re: #606 nyc redneck

well, right now i'm talking on the phone, cooking supper, reading lgf and playing w/ the dog.i can't take on anymore responsibility. ;)

Wow, that's a lot of multitasking. Be careful you don't start playing with the supper, phoning LFG and cooking the dog.

616 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:11:36pm

re: #610 eon

You know, he may actually be some sort of Supreme Being. He told us he wanted to save us from Global Warming, and as I sit here typing this my police monitor is going berserk with emergency calls due to the freezing rain/ice storm which has paralyzed the Central Ohio area. It hit right in the middle of evening rush hour here, and now the roads are full of stranded cars in the ditches and the EMS is backed up with accident calls.

Looks like The One has already frightened Global Warming away. In fact, I'd say he frickin' overdid it.

/sarc, in case you hadn't guess by now. But the ice storm isn't imaginary

Seattle's in day 6 of snow and ice. But our problem is it's a once a decade event, and the City uses snow plows with rubber blades so as no to damage the streets and no salt so they don't pollute the Sound. Add in that Seattle drivers can barely drive in the rain, snow is beyond them, but damnit they have a Subaru with all wheel drive! And the ads show Subaru's frolicking in the snow!
cheers

eon

617 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:12:35pm

re: #613 buzzsawmonkey

Mitzvah post!

And what mitzvah are you fulfilling by posting on LGF?

618 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:13:37pm

re: #576 BlueCanuck

Yeah, I read the book as well before seeing the movie. Was disappointed in that the movie ended where the book was just getting started.

/first movie that is, didn't have the heart to see any of the other ones.

Yeah, the original NeverEnding Story movie was intended to be the first of at least two movies... they WERE going to go directly into production on the second film when Miachael Ende pulled the plug on it, because the movie just didn't do justice to the book.

It DID make sense to make the break in the thing at that point in the book, though, because the novel was actually split up into two "books," each one a distinct story-arc unto itself.

No one got to make any more movies until after Ende was dead and could no longer say "Oh, no you don't!" to any further NES movies.

I gather the live-action TV series "Tales From the NeverEnding Story" was actually much closer to what was in the book than the movie was... but I haven't seen any of that one.

619 sngnsgt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:14:51pm

Why Obama Really Might Decriminalize Marijuana

The stoner community is clamoring to say it: "Yes we cannabis!" Turns out, with several drug-war veterans close to the president-elect's ear, insiders think reform could come in Obama's second term -- or sooner.

Yes we Cannabis!

620 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:14:52pm
621 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:15:32pm

re: #579 Alouette

What language is it written in?

The novels are all wriitten in German, like the original Miachael Ende classic was. NeverEnding Story is something of an institution over there.

622 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:15:58pm

re: #616 jcm

My best bud, the E-5, was stationed at Fort Lewis in the Eighties. I told him yesterday that according to AP the SeaTac area got 8-12" of snow in the last couple of days. He said that the yearly average when he was there was about an inch.

Let Mann put that in his "hockey stick" graph and smoke it.

cheers

eon

623 bmvaughn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:16:15pm

Well... is it the right's turn to start yelling that this is all fabricated?

624 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:16:39pm

re: #616 jcm

Seattle's in day 6 of snow and ice. But our problem is it's a once a decade event, and the City uses snow plows with rubber blades so as no to damage the streets and no salt so they don't pollute the Sound. Add in that Seattle drivers can barely drive in the rain, snow is beyond them, but damnit they have a Subaru with all wheel drive! And the ads show Subaru's frolicking in the snow!

I spend most of my working hours driving about the greater Puget Sound area.

I find it absolutely laughable that the worst place to drive at the moment is in down-town Seattle. You would have a better time in Maple Valley, Renton, Federal Way and any number of other places that got far more "global warming".

But because Seattle must be "environmentally conscious" of the de-icing methods used, the largest financial and commercial center of the State of Washington is paralyzed.

625 nyc redneck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:16:56pm

re: #615 Walter L. Newton

Wow, that's a lot of multitasking. Be careful you don't start playing with the supper, phoning LFG and cooking the dog.

oh, i just got off the phone. i think i'll be ok.
lol

626 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:17:03pm

re: #616 jcm

I type out a whole response and it disappeared!

Anyway, we're on day 6 of a snow event. But is Seattle it's a once a decade event. The city uses rubber blades on the plows so as not to damage the streets. It doesn't use salt so it doesn't pollute the sound (I'd mind the salt ban too much save the vehicles). Biggest think is Seattle drivers barely handle rain let alone snow. And ijits in Subaru's who believed the commercials.

627 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:17:04pm

re: #620 buzzsawmonkey

Good question, for which I have no answer.

I just like the "mitzvah post", #613, and the Hastings post, #1066; they're more interesting than yelling "first!" or marking post #1000.

Ok, now I understand. That was actually too nuanced than I realized. Scary.

Sort of like "667, the address of the neighbor of the beast."

628 bmvaughn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:17:16pm

re: #18 Shug

According to the fox, all of those hens committed suicide

That's priceless.

629 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:17:52pm

re: #620 buzzsawmonkey

Good question, for which I have no answer.

I just like the "mitzvah post", #613, and the Hastings post, #1066; they're more interesting than yelling "first!" or marking post #1000.

I should try to get #42 with a post of:

The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.

630 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:18:53pm

re: #626 jcm

I type out a whole response and it disappeared!

Anyway, we're on day 6 of a snow event. But is Seattle it's a once a decade event. The city uses rubber blades on the plows so as not to damage the streets. It doesn't use salt so it doesn't pollute the sound (I'd mind the salt ban too much save the vehicles). Biggest think is Seattle drivers barely handle rain let alone snow. And ijits in Subaru's who believed the commercials.

As we call the in Colorado "four wheel slide."

631 solomonpanting  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:19:05pm

re: #603 razorbacker

I see Drudge has an article saying that some of the Obamanation believe that Obama (Hollow be His Name) may decriminalize pot.

Like reality isn't already under strong enough attack.

I doubt he would or could do that himself, and won't the unwashed masses be deflated.
When a campaign is proffered as vague as Obama's was, whereby his Hope & Change mantra was internalized by each individual or group in a personnal fantasy, there is little doubt that these groups will be disappointed when Obama's intentions are made public. In this way, he ran a perfect campaign.

632 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:19:18pm

re: #626 jcm

It didn't disappear, it was included in the quote of eon. I actually responded to it.

See #624

633 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:19:25pm

re: #624 psyop

I spend most of my working hours driving about the greater Puget Sound area.

I find it absolutely laughable that the worst place to drive at the moment is in down-town Seattle. You would have a better time in Maple Valley, Renton, Federal Way and any number of other places that got far more "global warming".

But because Seattle must be "environmentally conscious" of the de-icing methods used, the largest financial and commercial center of the State of Washington is paralyzed.

Rubber bladed plows..... seriously.

634 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:19:27pm

re: #626 jcm

I type out a whole response and it disappeared!

Anyway, we're on day 6 of a snow event. But is Seattle it's a once a decade event. The city uses rubber blades on the plows so as not to damage the streets. It doesn't use salt so it doesn't pollute the sound (I'd mind the salt ban too much save the vehicles). Biggest think is Seattle drivers barely handle rain let alone snow. And ijits in Subaru's who believed the commercials.

It showed up on my screen as part of your quoting me. Complete with my (duplicated) signature at the bottom.

Something...queer.... is going on here, I think.

cheers

eon

635 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:19:39pm

re: #588 Thanos

I live in both hope and dread fear about what might be the outcome of this movie venture.

WOAH!

Hello! :D :D :D

I wonder if they'll be able to be truly faithful to the book... one key part of it takes place totally in the dark, and other parts are... just plain weird visually and mentally. But I definitely WANT to see it if they manage to pull it off.

636 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:19:46pm

re: #629 psyop

I should try to get #42 with a post of:

The Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.

And I wouldn't be against a post #69... oh, never mind.

637 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:21:06pm

re: #632 psyop

It didn't disappear, it was included in the quote of eon. I actually responded to it.

See #624

Even weirder, when I posted it was gone.. and it's still not there, weird database glitch, it would probably be there if I reloaded.

638 lifeofthemind  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:21:41pm

On the Fantasy fiction theme.

Has anybody read James Branch Cabell or Lord Dunsany or William Morris? Tolkein came from a literary tradition. Little has been filmed, the juvenilia that becomes filmed is not what the genre should be judged by.

639 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:23:31pm

re: #637 jcm

Perhaps we should have Team Obama investigate the irregularities.

They will figure it out.

640 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:24:14pm
641 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:24:20pm

re: #616 jcm

Weather is not climate change, very basic. One cold week, even a colder year or two does is not climate change. Factor in that your talking about local US weather, not even all the US nor the world and it means even less.

642 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:28:06pm

re: #588 Thanos

I live in both hope and dread fear about what might be the outcome of this movie venture.

One of my all-time favorite SF novels. Most of the C-punk crowd used to be totally unaware of it. If they have to make it, I call for Hugh Jackman to play Gully Foyle, and either Freema Agyeman or Halle Berry to play Robin Wednesbury.

cheers

eon

643 FrogMarch  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:28:26pm

Only holy and precious above the law Democrats are allowed self-probing.


gross.

644 psyop  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:29:53pm

re: #641 avanti

Weather is not climate change, very basic. One cold week, even a colder year or two does is not climate change. Factor in that your talking about local US weather, not even all the US nor the world and it means even less.

George W. Bush will leave office in a world colder on average than when he entered it.

Does 8 years begin fit your particular definition of climate change?

Perhaps the record cold temperatures from around the world this year (in recorded history, which means nothing in geologic time) mean that the world is now going in a different direction than the last 400 years of warming since the Little Ice Age.

Perhaps the fact the the Little Ice Age and the current world era have minimal solar activity in common means something.

Perhaps not. We will see.

645 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:30:35pm

re: #641 avanti

Weather is not climate change, very basic. One cold week, even a colder year or two does is not climate change. Factor in that your talking about local US weather, not even all the US nor the world and it means even less.

Weather is not climate change correct. Doesn't mean we can't rub the Goracles nose in the frozen gorebul warming in my yard.

For a decade now they talked Anthropogenic Global Warming, now that the wheels are coming off that cart through bad measurements, bad data, bad analysis, bad motives and other the crapola Algore spews they've co-opted what the skeptics have been saying all along. Climate Change is real, and cyclic. The Warming crowd leaves off cyclic, very intentionally.

Climate change is real, and man a the very most has miniscule effect on climate change.
Anthropogenic Global Warming is complete and utter bullcrap spouted by watermelons bent on instituting world wide socialist governments in the name of mommy earth.

646 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:30:45pm

re: #588 Thanos

THANK YOU! I have been looking for the title of that book for ever! I remember reading it back in public school. I remember the story, the plot, but never the title.

/favorited so I don't forget it again.

647 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:32:34pm

re: #598 Walter L. Newton

Well, I mentioned this movie way up thread, but for funny horror, Peter Jackson's BrainDead (aka "Dead Alive") is about as over the top as you can get.

That'd be this movie, right?

648 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:33:37pm

re: #597 buzzsawmonkey


Yeah, if you want to hear the N-word used to almost ludicrous levels, listen to Gangsta Gangsta by NWA. It's kind of hard to take people who claim that there is nothing so horrible as that word after that.

Imagine if that little ditty had been done by, say, Guns and Roses...

649 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:36:38pm

re: #646 BlueCanuck

THANK YOU! I have been looking for the title of that book for ever! I remember reading it back in public school. I remember the story, the plot, but never the title.

/favorited so I don't forget it again.

Speaking of digging up titles, I have tried over and over to find the title of a sci-fi book I read as a youngun'. I tried googling the major plot point and nothing comes up.

Basically, animals start getting very intelligent. And it's discovered it because they were always intelligent, but out planet had been moving through a certain section of the universe where some "cosmic" type ray has been bathing the earth.

Earth moves out of this ray and the animals revert to their normal intelligent state, smart as all hell.

Anyone.

650 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:37:27pm
651 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:37:50pm

re: #647 NomadOfNorad

That'd be this movie, right?

No...

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

652 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:38:43pm
653 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:39:00pm

Madoff investor commits suicide in office

NEW YORK (AP) - The founder of an investment fund that lost $1.4 billion with Bernard Madoff was discovered dead Tuesday after committing suicide at his Manhattan office, marking a grim turn in a scandal that has left investors around the world in financial ruin.

Rene-Thierry Magon de la Villehuchet, 65, was found sitting at his desk at about 8 a.m. with both wrists slashed, NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said. A box cutter was found on the floor along with a bottle of sleeping pills on his desk. No suicide note was found.

Man. Makes you think, don't it. I'm thinking that if I were a rich fellow I'd find a better way to check out than by slitting my wrists.

Now I know that NYC gun laws are pretty strict, and that modern office windows usually don't open, and that the exhaust from new cars is so pure that you actually get healthier by inhaling it, but still, slitting your wrists?

I'd likely have checked into the deadlier aspects of smoking big cigars, drinking vast quantities of hard liquor, and dancing the horizontal tango with married womyn.

And no f*cking way I'd check out before Madoff is taking a nice long dirt-nap.

654 Maui Girl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:41:07pm

I have to laugh at all this Obamamania nonsense. What's worse is when I log on (I use AOL....), there's a section that reads: Local news/Obama news/World News. I don't ever recall seeing "Bush news".

655 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:42:10pm

re: #638 lifeofthemind

On the Fantasy fiction theme.

Has anybody read James Branch Cabell or Lord Dunsany or William Morris? Tolkein came from a literary tradition. Little has been filmed, the juvenilia that becomes filmed is not what the genre should be judged by.

That'd be this guy, this guy, and this guy, right?

Noted for future reference.

656 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:42:21pm

re: #653 razorbacker

Madoff investor commits suicide in office

Man. Makes you think, don't it. I'm thinking that if I were a rich fellow I'd find a better way to check out than by slitting my wrists.

Now I know that NYC gun laws are pretty strict, and that modern office windows usually don't open, and that the exhaust from new cars is so pure that you actually get healthier by inhaling it, but still, slitting your wrists?

I'd likely have checked into the deadlier aspects of smoking big cigars, drinking vast quantities of hard liquor, and dancing the horizontal tango with married womyn.

And no f*cking way I'd check out before Madoff is taking a nice long dirt-nap.

And besides, the New York City suicide tax is outrageous.

657 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:42:42pm

re: #644 psyop

George W. Bush will leave office in a world colder on average than when he entered it.

Does 8 years begin fit your particular definition of climate change?

Well, it's one year, not 8 years like the twisting of facts you posted. Yes. 2008 is as cool as it was in 2000, but that's a one year event.
Climate change.

658 Maui Girl  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:44:22pm

re: #653 razorbacker

Suicides on Wall Street. Reminiscent of the Great Depression era.

659 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:44:51pm

re: #565 NomadOfNorad

There's a new remake of Dune in the works, BTW. Hope it's a good one.

Sure can't be worse than the David Lynch travesty, not that it was really his fault, the studio was expecting way too much. Too little of the book was put into the movie, and too much of what was shot was left on the cutting room floor to be really coherent. Dune is not a 2 hour movie.

660 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:47:13pm

re: #645 jcm
Wait till someone realizes that the mercury thermometers we used to use would not go below -20 degrees. Yep. Cold was under reported so it's "warmer" now!
Morons.

661 JacksonTn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:47:53pm

re: #658 Maui Girl

Suicides on Wall Street. Reminiscent of the Great Depression era.

Maui Girl ...Suicides in corruption ...reminiscent of the Godfather ...waiting for a bathtub scene in Blagocrapolafest ....


/not really "waiting" don't want anyone to die ...just sayin ...

662 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:48:02pm

And you thought that you were getting a crappy Christmas present.

Now I’m Jealous

It's worth reading just for the one comment, if you follow that comment to the referenced link.

663 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:49:38pm

re: #650 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, I've never got that either. Instead of being the next Jimmy Hendrix, they want to be Al Capone with a poor vocabulary and a worse taste in clothes. They call it being "authentic", but it is an image that has come to be popular within my lifetime.

664 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:50:39pm

re: #660 swamprat

Wait till someone realizes that the mercury thermometers we used to use would not go below -20 degrees. Yep. Cold was under reported so it's "warmer" now!
Morons.

There are so many errors in temperature measurement techniques there there is no reliable base line to measure a small change off of. Especially one as small as 0.74° in a century.

And that's just the beginning.

665 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:53:39pm
666 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:55:45pm

re: #664 jcm

There are so many errors in temperature measurement techniques there there is no reliable base line to measure a small change off of. Especially one as small as 0.74° in a century.

And that's just the beginning.

Just so. Where were the weather stations in most of Africa, the Phillipines, the ukraine, most of China, etc....in 1930?
So how come we can plot a temperature rise dating from the 1800's? Howcomesit?

667 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:57:17pm

re: #652 taxfreekiller

Of some note:

#641
avanti

so much bull from one small horn


Yep, it's just like those crazy, commie liberal, scientists from the EPA, NASA and the rest messing with you. Like the ID debate, minds are made up on this issue. One or two of us on here debating the climate change side is about as useless as your side at a science conference debating yours.
In both cases, we'd be ganged up on and ridiculed, so what's the point. As long as you label it a political issue, all the science in the world won't change many minds although a lot of conservatives in power are coming around.

668 jaunte  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:58:58pm

re: #667 avanti


...although a lot of conservatives in power are coming around.

Who is immune to the temptation of power, and new ways to increase it?

669 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 6:59:17pm

re: #666 swamprat

So how come we can plot a temperature rise dating from the 1800's? Howcomesit?

You must know the answer to that if you are a student of the argument.

670 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:01:09pm

re: #666 swamprat

Just so. Where were the weather stations in most of Africa, the Phillipines, the ukraine, most of China, etc....in 1930?
So how come we can plot a temperature rise dating from the 1800's? Howcomesit?

Recent history is more difficult than older stuff.
Ice cores give the best data, gas pockets let them test isotope ratios and determine T. Pond muds work too, they look at pollen concentrations in the annual layers, amount of pollen in some species indicates T.

In some ways records of actual T is more problematic, like NASA revising both the data from the 30's and 90's to show the 30's was the warmest decade.

671 J.S.  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:01:32pm

re: #645 jcm

Chad Myers (CNN's meteorologist) stated on Lou Dobbs program (Dec. 18, 2008), that we are more apt to "die from ocean acidification before we die from global warming."

672 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:01:44pm

re: #665 taxfreekiller

saved to favorites...will listen tomorrow

and now

673 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:02:20pm

re: #669 avanti

I'm not.

674 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:02:21pm
675 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:03:02pm

re: #667 avanti

Yep, it's just like those crazy, commie liberal, scientists from the EPA, NASA and the rest messing with you. Like the ID debate, minds are made up on this issue. One or two of us on here debating the climate change side is about as useless as your side at a science conference debating yours.
In both cases, we'd be ganged up on and ridiculed, so what's the point. As long as you label it a political issue, all the science in the world won't change many minds although a lot of conservatives in power are coming around.

And what are the solutions proposed by the GW crowd....?
Political and control of economics and society to achieve their ends.

676 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:03:05pm

So, I been over to Paco's joint, peeping t'rew the winders. An Paco points me to thisahere...A Monument for Obama
The convention of honoring dead presidents is already dated.

Lest it seem like we're getting ahead of ourselves, bear in mind that the government is already in the business of making monuments to the living. The most capable nuclear attack submarine in the U.S. fleet bears the name of our 39th president. Fittingly, the USS Jimmy Carter's first commanding officer was relieved of duty on account of "loss of confidence" in his abilities...But what need is there for hindsight in the Age of Obama?
"His genome is global, his mind is innovative, his world is networked, and his spirit is democratic," gushes Time magazine's David Von Drehle in his "Person of the Year" profile of Mr. Obama.

The folks that I feel sorry for are folks like Iowahawk and the like. Folks who liked to write spoofs, satire, funny stories of all sorts.

All driven out of business by the actual news.

677 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:07:05pm

re: #659 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sure can't be worse than the David Lynch travesty, not that it was really his fault, the studio was expecting way too much. Too little of the book was put into the movie, and too much of what was shot was left on the cutting room floor to be really coherent. Dune is not a 2 hour movie.

The thing about that first movie version of Dune, so far as I understand it... David Lynch was trying to go one direction with the film, the studio execs were trying to pull things in a different direction, and were overriding his cinematic and plotting decisions on the movie. And it didn't help that the studio was in the process of going bankrupt WHILE the film was in production and they needed a completed film sooner rather than later in order to send to the theaters at some point before they went belly up....

678 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:10:34pm

BTW, speaking of that STARS MY DESTINATION movie project mentioned up-thread from here, and that linked page they mentioned this book here, which sounds like an interesting read.

679 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:11:02pm

re: #667 avanti

I hate to break this to you, but when the Global Warmists want to wreck the American economy in the name of climate control (like the world has a thermostat) while doing nothing about the People's Republic of China (one of, if not the top polluters in the world) then you have made it a political issue.

Let's face it. The Chief Prophet of Global Warmism, Al Gore, doesn't believe in Global Warming. He has no problem with his own personal carbon emissions, and certainly makes no attempt to minimize his own so-called "Carbon Footprint". He only wants to use the power of the US Government to tax mine.

680 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:12:25pm

re: #649 Walter L. Newton

I think I know the story you are talking about. And it wasn't just animals it was mankind as well. Can't remember the title, but in the end mankind packs up and takes to the stars due to whole bunch of tech that is invented literally over night.

681 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:12:57pm

re: #679 Iron Fist

I hate to break this to you, but when the Global Warmists want to wreck the American economy in the name of climate control (like the world has a thermostat) while doing nothing about the People's Republic of China (one of, if not the top polluters in the world) then you have made it a political issue.

Let's face it. The Chief Prophet of Global Warmism, Al Gore, doesn't believe in Global Warming. He has no problem with his own personal carbon emissions, and certainly makes no attempt to minimize his own so-called "Carbon Footprint". He only wants to use the power of the US Government to tax mine.

But he sells Carbon Indulgences so we can feel green!

682 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:13:03pm

re: #675 jcm

And what are the solutions proposed by the GW crowd....?
Political and control of economics and society to achieve their ends.

Solutions are another argument for discussion. Even if we start to reverse the trend we may all be dead by the time we see a reversal. That's the main reason there is so little political will to start.I see no down side to witching to clean coal, wind and nuclear and energy conservation. I am not for the US going it alone while China and India pollute faster then we can clean it up.

683 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:13:30pm

re: #669 avanti

You must know the answer to that if you are a student of the argument.


I'll listen a lot more attentively when the message is not tied to a social agenda, and is not deliberately alarmist. I don't like manipulation, and these guys aren't even trying to hide it. The left has gone soft.
Why back in my day, the commies were like chess players. These neo-commies couldn't muster a decent game of checkers, by cracky!
....../hobbles off waving cane

684 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:13:46pm

re: #678 NomadOfNorad

BTW, speaking of that STARS MY DESTINATION movie project mentioned up-thread from here, and that linked page they mentioned this book here, which sounds like an interesting read.

PIMF! and = on

685 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:16:08pm

re: #678 NomadOfNorad

A little out of date. T3, Spiderman 3, Who watches the watchmen, I am Legend, have either been made or are soon to be released.

/don't know about the other ones.

686 EmmmieG  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:16:35pm

If I get audited or sued, can I appoint my own investigators? I think Team EmmieG will consist of my mother and my grandmother. Maybe my cat, just to round the numbers out.

687 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:17:05pm

re: #681 jcm

Maybe I should have called him the Pope of Global Warmism, then. But when you get him all fired up about the issue he comes across more as a nutball "prophet" in the tradition of old Mo.

Or maybe Jim Jones.

688 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:19:28pm

re: #685 BlueCanuck

A little out of date. T3, Spiderman 3, Who watches the watchmen, I am Legend, have either been made or are soon to be released.

/don't know about the other ones.

That wasn't the reason I mentioned the book, though. Specifically, there's a whole chapter in there on ALL the different aborted attempts to bring STARS MY DESTINATION to the silver screen. Apparently, some of them really, really awful.

689 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:19:54pm

re: #670 jcm


That is worth examining. But we can hold the spin and look to just the facts. We should decide what to do (If anything) after we have the facts, not before.

690 winston06  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:20:20pm

re: #601 winston06

Was I clear? ;-)

691 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:21:42pm

neo-coms
I'm keeping that. Feel free to use it.

692 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:22:08pm

re: #688 NomadOfNorad

Some books should stay books. That one is one of them. The end part where the protagonist has to get out of the burning building could not be doable at all.

/jaunting across time and space.

693 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:22:26pm
694 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:23:11pm
695 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:23:18pm

re: #683 swamprat

I'll listen a lot more attentively when the message is not tied to a social agenda, and is not deliberately alarmist. I don't like manipulation, and these guys aren't even trying to hide it. The left has gone soft.
Why back in my day, the commies were like chess players. These neo-commies couldn't muster a decent game of checkers, by cracky!
....../hobbles off waving cane

OK, fair enough. Here's a link to a peer reviewed study on the issue paid for by Congress. I tracks global temps back 2000 years, explains the methodology, and the rest. If scientists have a dog in this fight, I have yet to see why. If you assume science is a Commie plot, all bets are off.

Study

696 razorbacker  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:23:27pm

Too early to go to bed, so I'll just say so long.

So long.

697 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:24:32pm

re: #677 NomadOfNorad

No matter how one slices it, Dune was a flopperoo.

698 oldschool  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:25:20pm

Obama says he did nothing wrong. OK good for me. Hey how about that picture of his pecs? What a great guy. Pass the bucket I am getting sick..

699 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:26:35pm

re: #695 avanti

Okay, so explain the vineyards in northern england about two thousand years ago?

/along Hadrians wall I believe.

700 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:28:46pm

re: #697 FurryOldGuyJeans

No matter how one slices it, Dune was a flopperoo.

I still really liked its visual look, though. Loved the design of all the places and things in it. And there were some really powerful scenes in the movie, too. But, yeah, it had some major flaws, too.

701 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:30:05pm

re: #693 taxfreekiller

AVANTI

""look down" your brain is on the floor, do not step on it even once more


"we" could bake ourselves by the sun up,, be afraid, very afraid the CO2 is coming to get you,,,

loon

If you disagree with someone, insult their intelligence, very mature. I thought the stereotype of some on the right mocking science, pin heads and intellectual was a left wing smear. I was trying to carry on a intelligent debate and I get back your mama wears combat boots crap.

702 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:30:59pm

re: #695 avanti

I know that there is global warming.
The glaciers took off the tops of all hills around me.
I blame dinosaur flatulence.
Carnivorous dinosaurs saved the planet; you should thank their ancestors.

703 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:31:03pm

re: #682 avanti

Solutions are another argument for discussion. Even if we start to reverse the trend we may all be dead by the time we see a reversal. That's the main reason there is so little political will to start.I see no down side to witching to clean coal, wind and nuclear and energy conservation. I am not for the US going it alone while China and India pollute faster then we can clean it up.

Reverse what fucking trend? Global Climate Cycles?
Are you God?

That's what I'm talking about, their "SOLUTION" to the trend is SOCIALISM!
Not science.

The "TREND" you bandy about is as phony as a three dollar bill.

I repeat what they are using to sell is bill of goods is based on:
Bad measurements.
Bad data.
Bad analysis.
and worst.
Bad motives.

How do we reverse a natural cycle?
The "trend" is part of the Climate Change Cycles which was there before us and will continue with or with man.

704 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:31:37pm

re: #686 EmmmieG

I've decided that only I am really qualified to judge me. Other incidental people or organizations (local Sherrif, FBI, etc.) simply don't know enough about what I feel to be able to form a truly unbiased opinion. And I'll make this point: they don't know what it's like, they don't have a clue. If they did they'd find themselves doing the same thing too.

:-þ

705 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:32:20pm

re: #649 Walter L. Newton

re: #680 BlueCanuck

Brain Wave by Poul Anderson. I believe it's still in print in paperback.

cheers

eon

706 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:34:37pm

re: #703 jcm

I saw something a few years ago where they said that the thinning of the Antarctic ice sheet was the world finally recovering from the last Ice Age.

So there was nothing we could do about it now.

Think on that a moment. If we could do something about it, it would bring back the Ice Age.

There's a plan.

707 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:34:46pm

re: #699 BlueCanuck

Okay, so explain the vineyards in northern england about two thousand years ago?

/along Hadrians wall I believe.

Again you are missing the point, Greenland was once warmer too and we had a medieval ice age. Climate change is not a straight line, but a upward trend. Look at the data at the link in my last post and see the up's and downs.

708 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:36:31pm

re: #695 avanti

Fine
What caused the global warming, and not just a little, at 990 BC?
Really. Go look.
What brought it back down?
No ethanol gas back then.

709 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:36:32pm

re: #705 eon

Thank you. Another story read in my younger years but forgot the title. Still remember the closing of the book, where one of the last man to leave is talking to a man that was previously slow, but now has the intelligence of a modern man is told that a women is coming. She burned herself out on purpose because she couldn't handle the greater intelligence that she had.

710 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:36:54pm

re: #697 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wasn't impressed with either of the movies. In fact, I could even finish either of them. I love the book, though. I've read it at least ten times.

711 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:37:24pm

re: #707 avanti

And you keep pimping agenda driven science.

712 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:37:31pm

re: #706 Iron Fist

I saw something a few years ago where they said that the thinning of the Antarctic ice sheet was the world finally recovering from the last Ice Age.

So there was nothing we could do about it now.

Think on that a moment. If we could do something about it, it would bring back the Ice Age.

There's a plan.

This one is pretty good.
Let's pump sulfur dioxide (pollute) to cool the planet.

Hey, at least it isn't Algore telling me where to set my thermostat, what light bulbs to use and what car to drive.

713 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:38:17pm

re: #707 avanti

So I still can't see how all this global warming CLIMATE change is our fault. The graphs are good yes, but they still seem to want to pin all this drastic weather on our heads. That seems to me a bit of hubris, don't you think?

714 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:38:47pm

re: #705 eon

re: #680 BlueCanuck

Brain Wave by Poul Anderson. I believe it's still in print in paperback.

cheers

eon

This one, right?

715 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:40:03pm

re: #695 avanti
Actually looked.
Please explain.
No SUVs in990 bc.

716 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:40:11pm

re: #712 jcm

Wait, doesn't sulfur dioxide cause acid rain?

/another scare from the 80's.

717 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:40:58pm

re: #715 swamprat

Actually looked.
Please explain.
No SUVs in990 bc.

Okay, smarty pants....
What do you call this?

;-P

718 Dave the.....  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:41:19pm

Some lefties are having a little buyers remorse on The Messiah (not that they would have voted for McCain anyway)...

Gay rights crowd upset of the Warren thing
Anti-War wondering what happened to the immediate retreat from Iraq and Afg.

I belong to a pro-rail group. Overall it is okay, but they person who sends out email updates is obviously a Democratic hack. He is wondering what happened to Obama's promises of massive mass transit funding.

As NRO says, all of Barry's promises come with an expiration date.

719 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:41:21pm

re: #716 BlueCanuck

Wait, doesn't sulfur dioxide cause acid rain?

/another scare from the 80's.

No shit!
Brilliant idea isn't it?

720 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:41:50pm

re: #714 NomadOfNorad

Don't recognize the cover, but the synopsis fits.

721 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:41:51pm

re: #714 NomadOfNorad

This one, right?

That's the one. But fifty bucks?

My old Ballantine paperback with the elephant on the cover only cost $1.75.

/and no, it ain't for sale, either

cheers

eon

722 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:41:57pm

re: #707 avanti

Those ups and downs have been happening for, literally, millions of years. I will submit to you that humans were not responsible for climate change when they weren't even on the earth.

At all. Anywhere on the planet.

So what is it that makes this round of climate change any different? Other than wishful thinking on the part of Leftists who want to use it as a hammer to bludgeon the American economy to death?

723 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:42:14pm

re: #703 jcm

Reverse what fucking trend? Global Climate Cycles?
Are you God?

That's what I'm talking about, their "SOLUTION" to the trend is SOCIALISM!
Not science.

The "TREND" you bandy about is as phony as a three dollar bill.

I repeat what they are using to sell is bill of goods is based on:
Bad measurements.
Bad data.
Bad analysis.
and worst.
Bad motives.

How do we reverse a natural cycle?
The "trend" is part of the Climate Change Cycles which was there before us and will continue with or with man.


OK, God will take care of us, wasting my time here on this issue. If I can't sing with the choir all I'll get is tossed out of the church. I want to stick around long enough to see if this goes the way the ID debate changed over time.
Sadly Gore is a lightening rod, but today it's Bush, McCain and Newt too, so who knows.

724 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:43:02pm

re: #719 jcm

As brilliant as a low wattage light bulb. It's things like that, that reinforce my belief that most people have the historical attention span of a goldfish.

725 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:43:55pm

re: #721 eon

That's the one. But fifty bucks?

My old Ballantine paperback with the elephant on the cover only cost $1.75.

/and no, it ain't for sale, either

cheers

eon

I picked that one to link to because it was the most recent copy listed, didn't pay any attention to the price. Most of the others are used ones from the 60s and 70s... There's also a Kindle edition in there somewhere.

726 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:44:44pm

Here is the chart, lizards.
Come see the violence global warming inherent in the system!
Especially in 990 BC.

727 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:44:57pm

re: #723 avanti

OK, God will take care of us, wasting my time here on this issue. If I can't sing with the choir all I'll get is tossed out of the church. I want to stick around long enough to see if this goes the way the ID debate changed over time.
Sadly Gore is a lightening rod, but today it's Bush, McCain and Newt too, so who knows.

We are not saying that. What we are trying to say is it's the climate! We can probably influence it in small areas over a short time frame, but saying that what we do today will have drastic effects is just plain silliness.

728 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:45:19pm

re: #718 Dave the.....


Obama ran on a promise that he can't keep. He ran on being a god come to earth to save us from ourselves. That is something that he simply cannot pull off. I predict massive amounts of buyer's remorse, no matter what he does.

729 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:45:41pm

re: #716 BlueCanuck

Wait, doesn't sulfur dioxide cause acid rain?

/another scare from the 80's.

And what about the boogeyman of the 70's, Global Cooling? Science was pimped back then in service to a severe agenda as well, The US to blame yet again.

Anyone remember the Hole in the Ozone?

730 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:46:17pm

re: #724 BlueCanuck

As brilliant as a low wattage light bulb. It's things like that, that reinforce my belief that most people have the historical attention span of a goldfish.

Quit insulting goldfish, you hear! ;)

731 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:46:39pm

re: #723 avanti

OK, God will take care of us, wasting my time here on this issue. If I can't sing with the choir all I'll get is tossed out of the church. I want to stick around long enough to see if this goes the way the ID debate changed over time.
Sadly Gore is a lightening rod, but today it's Bush, McCain and Newt too, so who knows.

It's not about singing with the choir, it's about backing up your assertions.

You claim AGW is an imminent threat.

You accuse me, us, of not accepting Climate Change, we do. What we don't buy is AGW, and the solution proposed by AGW proponents.

I gave you a link to a bunch of links to back up everything I've said. You've singularly failed to respond to a single back up thing I've said.

You're the one singing to the Algore choir, we've looked at the issue here and made an informed decision.

Better luck next time.

732 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:47:49pm

re: #707 avanti

Again you are missing the point, Greenland was once warmer too and we had a medieval ice age. Climate change is not a straight line, but a upward trend. Look at the data at the link in my last post and see the up's and downs.

I think you've missed the point of your own argument. Greenland was warmer during the period of the Viking voyages to the Western Atlantic, between the 8th and 10th Centuries A.D. (or C.E., if you prefer)- Leif Ericson sailed from Greenland to "Vinland" (probably Nova Scotia) in about 1001 AD. The Little Ice Age is considered to have started about the middle of the 13th Century (around 1250-1260) with the major temperature change resulting in violent weather patterns not occurring until around 1315-1317 in Europe.

There's a two century plus gap there. The two climatological events were not contemporaneous.

cheers

eon

733 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:48:05pm

re: #726 swamprat

Maximum cooling in 1625.
Had to be coal.
Coal causes global cooling.

Thanks for the chart, got any more?

734 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:48:07pm

re: #729 FurryOldGuyJeans

It's still there, but not as bad as it was.

re: #730 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sorry, don't mean to insult goldfish. Have a friend who says her memory is that short.

735 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:48:44pm

re: #682 avanti

Solutions are another argument for discussion. Even if we start to reverse the trend we may all be dead by the time we see a reversal. That's the main reason there is so little political will to start.I see no down side to witching to clean coal, wind and nuclear and energy conservation. I am not for the US going it alone while China and India pollute faster then we can clean it up.

Sorry, this is where you actually prove that you don't understand any of the shit you are spouting. If global warming were real, the very last thing we would want to do would be to halt or reverse it. The very first clue that any one talking about global warming is full of shit is when they start talking about stopping or reversing it.

Higher temperature levels equal higher precipitation levels. Higher CO2 levels equal increased vegetation levels. Combine the two and area's previously uninhabitable because of insufficient precipitation levels become highly habitable. Food production increases as area's previously uninhabitable because of insufficient precipitation levels achieve substancial precipitation increases.

736 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:48:44pm

re: #731 jcm


He's not drinking the koolaid. He's mainlining the shit.

737 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:49:49pm

re: #724 BlueCanuck

As brilliant as a low wattage light bulb. It's things like that, that reinforce my belief that most people have the historical attention span of a goldfish.

On the other hand, now you can buy LED light-bulbs.

738 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:51:50pm

re: #723 avanti

Honest. You won't get thrown. You may smart a bit, but you will survive.
It's a tough room, but we respect honest debate. Get up. Relace your gloves and go for it.

739 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:52:10pm

re: #713 BlueCanuck

So I still can't see how all this global warming CLIMATE change is our fault. The graphs are good yes, but they still seem to want to pin all this drastic weather on our heads. That seems to me a bit of hubris, don't you think?

Rational and good question. We can see the earth is warming, we know that C02 is a greenhouse gas, and we know the levels are going up. Is it likely all mans influence, nope. Is is likely that we are part of it, yes.
Again, not my opinion, but the bulk of climatologist's. I don't agree with the extremists on either side, but don't see why we can't reduce C02 without tossing the baby out with the bath water when we have clean energy available.
You guys have a nice evening, I'll shut up on this subject for now.

740 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:52:19pm

re: #735 doriangrey


You don't understand. People are the disease the global warmists really want to cure. Remember the Population Bomb bullshit? Making the world more inhabitable for humans is the last thing the Global warmists want to do.

741 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:52:28pm

re: #736 Iron Fist

He's not drinking the koolaid. He's mainlining the shit.

I guess! Yow!

742 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:55:25pm

re: #737 NomadOfNorad

On the other hand, now you can buy LED light-bulbs.

I noticed they don't mention the lumens output, so this could be just an expensive lit match in intensity.

743 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:55:35pm

re: #740 Iron Fist

You don't understand. People are the disease the global warmists really want to cure. Remember the Population Bomb bullshit? Making the world more inhabitable for humans is the last thing the Global warmists want to do.

Or how many Africans have died because of Rachel Carson and Silent Spring.

744 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:56:05pm

re: #727 BlueCanuck

We are not saying that. What we are trying to say is it's the climate! We can probably influence it in small areas over a short time frame, but saying that what we do today will have drastic effects is just plain silliness.


Damn we agree on something. No way we can have a drastic influence ever, even the correction we need will take decades.

745 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:56:12pm

re: #739 avanti

Rational and good question. We can see the earth is warming, we know that C02 is a greenhouse gas, and we know the levels are going up. Is it likely all mans influence, nope. Is is likely that we are part of it, yes.
Again, not my opinion, but the bulk of climatologist's. I don't agree with the extremists on either side, but don't see why we can't reduce C02 without tossing the baby out with the bath water when we have clean energy available.
You guys have a nice evening, I'll shut up on this subject for now.

You retard.... Plants breath CO2, more CO2 is good, not bad.. Higher levels of CO2 increase the rate at which plants grow.

746 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:57:56pm

re: #745 doriangrey

You retard.... Plants breath CO2, more CO2 is good, not bad.. Higher levels of CO2 increase the rate at which plants grow.

I wonder if he knows the history of climatology and the truth the alarmists don't want people to know.

747 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:58:30pm

Okay, gotta go to work now, see you folks in about an hour.

748 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:58:33pm

re: #742 FurryOldGuyJeans

I noticed they don't mention the lumens output, so this could be just an expensive lit match in intensity.

Noted, bad on there part.

Our chip is going into a tunable LED light, you can adjust color, set the gamma etc... With the ones using our chip 5W is about 75W equivalent.

749 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:58:53pm

re: #746 FurryOldGuyJeans

I wonder if he knows the history of climatology and the truth the alarmists don't want people to know.

Since Al Gore didnt anally inject it into him the answer is undoubtedly no.

750 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 7:59:40pm

re: #739 avanti

Is is likely that we are part of it, yes.


why? What proofs have been offered that humans are responsible for it? Even the CO2 connection is iffy. Higher CO2 levels are possibly correlated with temperature fluctions, but correlation is not causation. It could be that planetary climate change is causing the CO2 levels to rise.

They also could be independant of each other, and the correlation is simply a coincidence.

I'll ask again, because you don't seem to get it. The climate has never, never been a constant. It has always fluctuated. It has been doing this for millions of years. For that matter, it has been doing it for millions of years before people existed.

I think we can agree that humans didn't cause any global warming (or cooling) when they didn't exist.

What evidence have you seen to indicate that this time is any different?

751 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:00:24pm

re: #748 jcm

Noted, bad on there part.

Our chip is going into a tunable LED light, you can adjust color, set the gamma etc... With the ones using our chip 5W is about 75W equivalent.

Now THAT I know most people would understand....75w equivalent. ;)

752 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:01:19pm

re: #750 Iron Fist

What evidence have you seen to indicate that this time is any different?

AlGore told him so, duh! ;)

753 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:02:29pm

re: #743 jcm


That's the truth. Carson's bullshit have cost so many lives in africa that if she'd done it with a rifle it'd be considered genocide. As it is, too many people refuse to even acknowlege that it is the classic example of unintended consequences.

754 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:04:07pm

re: #753 Iron Fist

That's the truth. Carson's bullshit have cost so many lives in africa that if she'd done it with a rifle it'd be considered genocide. As it is, too many people refuse to even acknowlege that it is the classic example of unintended consequences.

Since we are talking about unexpressed genocide, what about the Planned Parenthood agenda?

755 JacksonTn  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:04:11pm

Just wondering ...since Obama was interviewed while being president elect ...do we have any rights to have access to the interview ... would it have been taped or some sort of transcript ...I am just curious as to what questions he and his advisors were asked by Fitzgerald ...

756 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:04:35pm

re: #751 FurryOldGuyJeans

Now THAT I know most people would understand....75w equivalent. ;)

You've got to related new tech, to the old, so people can make the bridge and understand what's going on.

LED look much better in the long run than CFL's. Less material, hazardous chemicals, even less energy.

But congress in their infinite wisdom short circuited the free market and put the chips on CFL's.

757 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:04:57pm

re: #755 JacksonTn

Just wondering ...since Obama was interviewed while being president elect ...do we have any rights to have access to the interview ... would it have been taped or some sort of transcript ...I am just curious as to what questions he and his advisors were asked by Fitzgerald ...

The LAT would say we don't.

758 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:06:01pm

re: #756 jcm

You've got to related new tech, to the old, so people can make the bridge and understand what's going on.

LED look much better in the long run than CFL's. Less material, hazardous chemicals, even less energy.

But congress in their infinite wisdom short circuited the free market and put the chips on CFL's.

Once again unintended consequences from letting lawmakers to touch our economy.

759 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:06:20pm

re: #750 Iron Fist

why? What proofs have been offered that humans are responsible for it? Even the CO2 connection is iffy. Higher CO2 levels are possibly correlated with temperature fluctions, but correlation is not causation. It could be that planetary climate change is causing the CO2 levels to rise.

They also could be independant of each other, and the correlation is simply a coincidence.

I'll ask again, because you don't seem to get it. The climate has never, never been a constant. It has always fluctuated. It has been doing this for millions of years. For that matter, it has been doing it for millions of years before people existed.

I think we can agree that humans didn't cause any global warming (or cooling) when they didn't exist.

What evidence have you seen to indicate that this time is any different?

The earth is approximately 4 billion years old. During the majority of that time the earths general temperature was considerably higher than it is now. It has also suffered 4 major ice ages as well as six minor ice ages, the most recent being a mere 16,000 to 25,000 years ago. Currently earths general temperature is cooler than it's historic mean average.

760 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:07:35pm

re: #759 doriangrey

The earth is approximately 4 billion years old. During the majority of that time the earths general temperature was considerably higher than it is now. It has also suffered 4 major ice ages as well as six minor ice ages, the most recent being a mere 16,000 to 25,000 years ago. Currently earths general temperature is cooler than it's historic mean average.

Which means absolutely jack shit to the greens and the climate alarmists. They don't give a rat's ass for anything other than destroying the economy.

761 avanti  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:10:10pm

re: #745 doriangrey

You retard.... Plants breath CO2, more CO2 is good, not bad.. Higher levels of CO2 increase the rate at which plants grow.

I'd like you to take the MENSA test and we can revisit the retard comment. Here's a tune up for the big test, see how you do. I fear we are having a battle of wits and you are unarmed. Really need to get to sleep now.

MENSA.

762 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:11:07pm

re: #761 avanti

I'd like you to take the MENSA test and we can revisit the retard comment. Here's a tune up for the big test, see how you do. I fear we are having a battle of wits and you are unarmed. Really need to get to sleep now.

MENSA.

Man, you are one condescending little prick, ain't ya?

763 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:11:36pm

re: #742 FurryOldGuyJeans

I noticed they don't mention the lumens output, so this could be just an expensive lit match in intensity.

I hadn't noticed. On the other hand, some of the LED flashilights I've got are REALLY bright.

On the other hand, I'm mainly on that site due to goofy gadgets like this one here and useful devices like this one here.

764 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:12:01pm

re: #761 avanti

I'd like you to take the MENSA test and we can revisit the retard comment. Here's a tune up for the big test, see how you do. I fear we are having a battle of wits and you are unarmed. Really need to get to sleep now.

MENSA.

re: #761 avanti

I'd like you to take the MENSA test and we can revisit the retard comment. Here's a tune up for the big test, see how you do. I fear we are having a battle of wits and you are unarmed. Really need to get to sleep now.

MENSA.

Let me guess is your IQ 167?

765 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:12:32pm

re: #740 Iron Fist

You don't understand. People are the disease the global warmists really want to cure. Remember the Population Bomb bullshit? Making the world more inhabitable for humans is the last thing the Global warmists want to do.

Back in the Seventies, they were convinced that we were going to have a new Ice Age- unless we cut greenhouse gases, banned technology, and moved to an agrarian society based on collectivist/socialist principles and operating at pre-Bronze Age levels of "allowable innovation".

Today, they are convinced that we are going to have a thermal overload- unless we cut greenhouse gases, ban technology, and move to an agrarian society based on collectivist/socialist principles and operating at pre- Bronze Age levels of "allowable innovation".

When two diametrically-opposed sets of data are used to demand the same course of political action, the logical conclusion is that it is the political course of action that is the prime desideratum, and that the data is merely an excuse. In fact, if two such different sets of results supposedly come from the same proximate cause, then ipso facto one of the data sets has to be as phony as a three-dollar bill. This isn't politics, or "philosophy"- it's the way science works. (Or at least it was when I was holding test tubes over Bunsen burners and looking through comparison microscopes at bullets- granted, that was thirty years ago.)

There's also the fact that if we did go "back to nature" the way the more radical environmentalists demand, to "save Holy Mother Gaia"- the resulting famines, pestilences, etc. due to the lack of modern day farming methods, etc., would cause a die-off of between 75 to 95 percent of the Earth's human population. You cannot support (feed) 6 billion people by using Bronze Age technology. Period. Dot. Can't. Be. Done.

The scary part is, the number of "concerned ecologists" who either don't understand this, don't want to understand it, or actually think it's a good thing ( notably the disciples of Dr. Paul Ehrlich- I've always been amused that his last name, in German, means "fear"- because he's spread so much of it around in the last three decades).

I strongly urge anyone interested in this subject to read anything by Bjorn Lomberg. And while you're at it, you might want to check out the novel The Last Centurion by John Ringo. Ringo covers this ground in more detail, and frankly much better than I could. Ringo's story is fictional- the science in his story is anything but.

/Which is, after all, why it's called science fiction.

cheers

eon

766 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:13:17pm

re: #748 jcm

Noted, bad on there part.

Our chip is going into a tunable LED light, you can adjust color, set the gamma etc... With the ones using our chip 5W is about 75W equivalent.

Oh, kewl. Linky?

767 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:13:31pm

re: #763 NomadOfNorad

I hadn't noticed. On the other hand, some of the LED flashilights I've got are REALLY bright.

On the other hand, I'm mainly on that site due to goofy gadgets like this one here and useful devices like this one here.

I don't doubt that LEDs can and do deliver some decent output, but not giving any statistic sure makes me leery of the whole setup.

Ooooh, gadgets! (happy as a pig in slop!)

768 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:14:21pm

re: #761 avanti

I'd like you to take the MENSA test and we can revisit the retard comment. Here's a tune up for the big test, see how you do. I fear we are having a battle of wits and you are unarmed. Really need to get to sleep now.

MENSA.

Yawn..... Is that the best you got Wiley E Coyote Super Genius? A pathetic appeal to authority logic fallacy? Your Mother is a Hamster and your Father smells of elderberries! Now go away before I taunt you a second time!..

769 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:14:50pm

re: #754 FurryOldGuyJeans

There's nothing unintended there. That is genocide. There's plenty of evidence that they were/are trying to reduce the African-American population in the American population. Likewise, abortion in some Third World nations for the explicit reason of selecting the sex of children allowed to be carried to term is creating a demographic time bomb as males far outstrip females in the population.

It's just not considered good form to mention that.

770 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:18:27pm

re: #767 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't doubt that LEDs can and do deliver some decent output, but not giving any statistic sure makes me leery of the whole setup.

Ooooh, gadgets! (happy as a pig in slop!)

Yyyyyyup! Did I mention I'm a gadget freak?!? :D :D :D :D

771 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:18:42pm

re: #765 eon

I strongly urge anyone interested in this subject to read anything by Bjorn Lomberg. And while you're at it, you might want to check out the novel The Last Centurion by John Ringo. Ringo covers this ground in more detail, and frankly much better than I could. Ringo's story is fictional- the science in his story is anything but.

/Which is, after all, why it's called science fiction.

cheers

eon

The late Michael Crichton's State of Fear is also good at exposing the hypocrisy of the alarmists.

772 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:18:49pm

re: #766 NomadOfNorad

Oh, kewl. Linky?

This is our end of it. I've done some hardware work on it, and help build some of the demo stuff. But which lighting manufacturer is working on bring a marketable product I'm not sure. My head's buried too deep in the test group to really know who marketing is talking to sometimes.

773 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:19:41pm

re: #769 Iron Fist

There's nothing unintended there. That is genocide. There's plenty of evidence that they were/are trying to reduce the African-American population in the American population. Likewise, abortion in some Third World nations for the explicit reason of selecting the sex of children allowed to be carried to term is creating a demographic time bomb as males far outstrip females in the population.

It's just not considered good form to mention that.

That is why I said UNEXPRESSED, not unintended. :)

774 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:20:49pm

re: #770 NomadOfNorad

BTW, I recommend installing the Wootalyzer. It alerts you each day to a bunch of different, nifty, deal-of-the-day bargains. They can get addicting, though. :D :D :D :D

775 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:21:17pm

re: #768 doriangrey

Yawn..... Is that the best you got Wiley E Coyote Super Genius? A pathetic appeal to authority logic fallacy? Your Mother is a Hamster and your Father smells of elderberries! Now go away before I taunt you a second time!..

I still think he is one wretched, condescending little prick, but I do like your assessment as well ;)

776 swamprat  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:23:19pm

re: #761 avanti
Thank you for those lucid replies.
Ok, global warming from 1625 to present.
Global cooling from 990 BC to 1625.
Global warming beginning at some point before 990.
It would seem to be some sort of cycle....
Maybe someone could exploit this to bring about social change...
No, that would be ridiculous; where would you find such a gathering of the gullible and power-hungry?


California and Seattle!

777 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:23:21pm

re: #772 jcm

This is our end of it. I've done some hardware work on it, and help build some of the demo stuff. But which lighting manufacturer is working on bring a marketable product I'm not sure. My head's buried too deep in the test group to really know who marketing is talking to sometimes.

Man, you sure know how to get a techy gadget freak excited. ;)

778 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:23:30pm

re: #772 jcm

This is our end of it. I've done some hardware work on it, and help build some of the demo stuff. But which lighting manufacturer is working on bring a marketable product I'm not sure. My head's buried too deep in the test group to really know who marketing is talking to sometimes.

Ah, thankee. URL stored for future reference.

779 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:24:43pm

re: #776 swamprat

Thank you for those lucid replies.
Ok, global warming from 1625 to present.
Global cooling from 990 BC to 1625.
Global warming beginning at some point before 990.
It would seem to be some sort of cycle....
Maybe someone could exploit this to bring about social change...
No, that would be ridiculous; where would you find such a gathering of the gullible and power-hungry?


California and Seattle!

Al Gore Compound? The UN? Congress?

780 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:25:01pm

re: #777 FurryOldGuyJeans

Man, you sure know how to get a techy gadget freak excited. ;)

LOL! ! !

781 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:25:13pm

re: #771 FurryOldGuyJeans

The late Michael Crichton's State of Fear is also good at exposing the hypocrisy of the alarmists.

Agreed. Ringo's novel shows the inevitable results of letting them get their way. Believe me, it ain't pretty.

Ringo's take is that they're sincere. Unfortunately, they are also egotistical, narcissistic, utterly convinced that they and only they are right, and when confronted with incontrovertible evidence that they are in fact factually wrong-

... well, read the book.

Any resemblance to any person or persons, living, dead, or about to start running the U.S. Government, are purely coincidental.

/Well, that's Ringo's story, at least, and he's sticking to it.

cheers

eon

782 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:26:35pm

re: #763 NomadOfNorad

I hadn't noticed. On the other hand, some of the LED flashilights I've got are REALLY bright.

On the other hand, I'm mainly on that site due to goofy gadgets like this one here and useful devices like this one here.

The power thing with LED is pretty much licked. Car tail lights now are going led, stop lights etc. The big problem for home use is color. Getting a consistent "white" color for home use is a major pain in the a**. The same lot will have a wide variety of "white." That's why tuning the color is becoming important.

783 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:29:48pm

re: #781 eon

See, I don't believe that they are sincere. At the very least they are pumping (pimping) hysteria to make a buck or hundred million bucks, with no concern about the possible downside to their nonsense.

At worst, I'd say that that downside was the primary reason for what they are doing. It's pretty bad when the best case scenario is that they are venal shysters.

784 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:29:57pm

re: #782 jcm

The power thing with LED is pretty much licked. Car tail lights now are going led, stop lights etc. The big problem for home use is color. Getting a consistent "white" color for home use is a major pain in the a**. The same lot will have a wide variety of "white." That's why tuning the color is becoming important.

Tech talk, how stimulating! Is it just me or it is really hot in here? ;)

785 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:31:32pm

re: #783 Iron Fist

See, I don't believe that they are sincere. At the very least they are pumping (pimping) hysteria to make a buck or hundred million bucks, with no concern about the possible downside to their nonsense.

At worst, I'd say that that downside was the primary reason for what they are doing. It's pretty bad when the best case scenario is that they are venal shysters.

As with any cult I do believe the vast majority of believers are sincere, it is the leaders who are pimping the dogma for power and money.

786 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:33:51pm

re: #784 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tech talk, how stimulating! Is it just me or it is really hot in here? ;)

This should get you going.

Our chip on this demo board with one chip will touch sense you finger on the color matrix and then tune three LEDs (RGB) to the color you've selected. Using the demo board you can if you like tweak the code to fit your application.

787 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:34:37pm

Let me gues. I have not read the comments yet, but I am getting to it.
The left wing nut jobs of the "green" party are going to take on the biggest threat to the enviroment, RED CHINA?


(...............you can hear a pin drop?)

788 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:34:53pm

re: #784 FurryOldGuyJeans

Tech talk, how stimulating! Is it just me or it is really hot in here? ;)

Funny you should mention that. Sometimes the room I'm in right now gets pretty warm because of all the computers and computer-related devices I've got running in here. (Don't ask! :D )

789 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:35:04pm

re: #786 jcm

This should get you going.

Our chip on this demo board with one chip will touch sense you finger on the color matrix and then tune three LEDs (RGB) to the color you've selected. Using the demo board you can if you like tweak the code to fit your application.

Wrong link try this one.

790 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:35:25pm

re: #786 jcm

This should get you going.

Our chip on this demo board with one chip will touch sense you finger on the color matrix and then tune three LEDs (RGB) to the color you've selected. Using the demo board you can if you like tweak the code to fit your application.

Ooh, baby Yes, yes, yes, yes, YEEEEEESSSSSSS! ;)

791 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:36:36pm

re: #789 jcm

Wrong link try this one.

Ooooh! I'm in love! ;)

792 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:37:30pm

re: #788 NomadOfNorad

Funny you should mention that. Sometimes the room I'm in right now gets pretty warm because of all the computers and computer-related devices I've got running in here. (Don't ask! :D )

Anyone that runs only one computer is a virgin. ;)

793 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:39:27pm

re: #785 FurryOldGuyJeans


The useful idiots are probably convinced the world is getting ready to burst into flame, but the leaders? No way do they believe what they are shoveling. Gore is probably the worst, if for no other reason than that he is the most self-righteous motherfucker in the world on the issue. He believes in anthropomorphic global warming about as much as I believe in Santaria.

If I see him doing the dance with the chicken, like Lisa Bonet in Angelheart, I'm like, running...

794 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:41:03pm

re: #793 Iron Fist

The useful idiots are probably convinced the world is getting ready to burst into flame, but the leaders? No way do they believe what they are shoveling. Gore is probably the worst, if for no other reason than that he is the most self-righteous motherfucker in the world on the issue. He believes in anthropomorphic global warming about as much as I believe in Santaria.

If I see him doing the dance with the chicken, like Lisa Bonet in Angelheart, I'm like, running...

You saying the Holy Prophet is not sincere? You HERETIC! ;)

795 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:41:09pm

re: #790 FurryOldGuyJeans

Only nuttie liberal freaks would enjoy that as much as sex.

796 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:41:16pm

re: #792 FurryOldGuyJeans

Anyone that runs only one computer is a virgin. ;)

Muahaha! :D :D :D

797 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:41:27pm

re: #791 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ooooh! I'm in love! ;)

Oh, and not one cent of government funding.

Imagine a light dimmer that not only dims the lights but adjust color across the entire color gamut.

798 Iron Fist  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:42:53pm

goodnight, folks. I've got to try and get some sleep.

799 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:43:58pm

re: #797 jcm

Oh, and not one cent of government funding.

Imagine a light dimmer that not only dims the lights but adjust color across the entire color gamut.

Kewwwwwwllllllll.....! :D :D :D

800 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:45:58pm

re: #797 jcm

Oh, and not one cent of government funding.

Imagine a light dimmer that not only dims the lights but adjust color across the entire color gamut.

WTH?!? No wonder you can do so much....if your company had accepted funding those projects would still be on the drawing board.

801 hous bin pharteen  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:46:09pm

re: #798 Iron Fist

Why go to sleep now? With death to all humans from global warming, you are going to get enough sleep then! And maybe a nice suntan too!

802 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:46:46pm

re: #795 hous bin pharteen

Only nuttie liberal freaks would enjoy that as much as sex.

How little you know me, oh clueless one. ;)

803 eon  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:48:25pm

re: #793 Iron Fist

The useful idiots are probably convinced the world is getting ready to burst into flame, but the leaders? No way do they believe what they are shoveling. Gore is probably the worst, if for no other reason than that he is the most self-righteous motherfucker in the world on the issue. He believes in anthropomorphic global warming about as much as I believe in Santaria.

If I see him doing the dance with the chicken, like Lisa Bonet in Angelheart, I'm like, running...

All cults consist of a small group of opportunists surrounded by a large coterie of True Believers. Most often, the True Believers worship the leaders- and the leaders have nothing but contempt for the True Believers, whom they regard as "useful idiots" with the accent on the "idiot" part, after Lenin.

Another good example of this from fiction is Styphon's House, the "gunpowder theocracy" on Fourth Level Aryan-TransPacific in H. Beam Piper's Lord Kalvan of Otherwhen (1964). (It's back in print now- for more information, go to hostigos.com.)

And on that note, I really have to hit the sack. I still have about two days worth of Christmas preparations to make, and only 24hrs 15 min to do it all in.

Good night, Lizards.

Keep your powder dry.

cheers

eon

804 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:49:09pm

re: #800 FurryOldGuyJeans

WTH?!? No wonder you can do so much....if your company had accepted funding those projects would still be on the drawing board.

I help with a design project a little while ago.
CEO is into wine. He has his own winery. He decide at a wine convention he wanted to demostrate a wine temperature system using the chip that would measure the temperature of the wine, store a data log, the wirelessly up load the log to a central point. Using just the one chip.

From the time we got email project requirement to working demo.....

4 days.

805 john_galt  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:49:09pm

Whew! What a relief. Did this come before or after this story: "Blagojevich team probe of Blagojevich team finds no Blagojevich team impropriety"?

806 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:50:48pm

re: #804 jcm

I help with a design project a little while ago.
CEO is into wine. He has his own winery. He decide at a wine convention he wanted to demostrate a wine temperature system using the chip that would measure the temperature of the wine, store a data log, the wirelessly up load the log to a central point. Using just the one chip.

From the time we got email project requirement to working demo.....

4 days.

HOLY CARP! You guys would never get a government grant or contract working that fast! ;)

807 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:54:44pm

re: #805 john_galt

Whew! What a relief. Did this come before or after this story: "Blagojevich team probe of Blagojevich team finds no Blagojevich team impropriety"?

The FMSM sure is acting more schizophrenic than normal with this: wanting to report on a juicy political scandal but having to refrain because the perp is a Dem and an intimate of Our Messiah-King.

808 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:55:31pm

re: #806 FurryOldGuyJeans

HOLY CARP! You guys would never get a government grant or contract working that fast! ;)

It was wild, 1st day design the circuit, 2nd day the PCB, one day turn the PCB then hand assemble on day 3. Meanwhile the firmware is being written and simulated put it all together and day 3 and hope to hell it works fly it down to CA for the demo.

Not the way we like to do things, but it can impress the hell out of customer.

809 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 8:56:47pm

re: #808 jcm

It was wild, 1st day design the circuit, 2nd day the PCB, one day turn the PCB then hand assemble on day 3. Meanwhile the firmware is being written and simulated put it all together and day 3 and hope to hell it works fly it down to CA for the demo.

Not the way we like to do things, but it can impress the hell out of customer.

Sure as hell impresses me. :)

810 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:00:29pm

re: #809 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sure as hell impresses me. :)

Me too... Kudos JCM... ;)

811 jcm  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:04:54pm

re: #809 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sure as hell impresses me. :)

Thanks!

Jumping thread ---->

Seems our Algore troll left.....

812 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:06:17pm

re: #811 jcm

Thanks!

Jumping thread ---->

Seems our Algore troll left.....

We can't seem to keep decent trolls around any more. ;)

813 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:08:00pm

re: #812 FurryOldGuyJeans

We can't seem to keep decent trolls around any more. ;)

Yup, the gamey troll buttocks just aint what they used to be... ;(

814 NomadOfNorad  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:14:34pm

re: #812 FurryOldGuyJeans

re: #813 doriangrey

ROFL! ! !

815 BlueCanuck  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:23:01pm

re: #813 doriangrey

Yup, the gamey troll buttocks just aint what they used to be... ;(

I am back. I think we should feed them more before we BBQ them. I guess we just play a little too rough.

816 doriangrey  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:29:58pm

re: #815 BlueCanuck

I am back. I think we should feed them more before we BBQ them. I guess we just play a little too rough.

Yea, we probably shouldn't play with our food... ;p

817 rawmuse  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 9:32:21pm

re: #744 avanti

Damn we agree on something. No way we can have a drastic influence ever, even the correction we need will take decades.

"The correction" you speak of all seems to involve electing Democrats and taxing us in to penury. I don't get how having my ass shivering in the dark is going promote one bit of climate change.

The Global Warming/Climate Change crowd are naked political opportunists and connivers of the first order. Even if they are right (which I doubt) all they want to do is separate me from my money and reduce my standard of living, while they live in their 30k sq. ft. homes and fly around in their G5s.
F*ck them.

818 docremulac  Tue, Dec 23, 2008 10:38:09pm

I'm afraid the new dumbed down, politically corrected, emasculated, humiliated and neutered America is ripe for the plucking.

This country and it's working people are about to be plundered and robbed on a scale that would make the sacking of Rome look like a pickpocketing.

819 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 5:13:05am
820 Ron Shaw  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 7:10:10am

re: #201 Wyatt Earp

Let's blame it on ManBearPig!


PIMPL, I like it! How about a new South Park hybrid buffoon-of-a-beast ObaManBearPig?

821 FrogMarch  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 7:11:12am

The KING has cleared himself of any wrongdoing.

822 Amer-I-Can  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 8:32:30am

"Whew".... I was really worried there for a second....

-sarc

823 wltzacrsstxs  Wed, Dec 24, 2008 10:51:17am

A story on the front page of Yahoo whined that the Blago deal is taking up too much of the Messiah's precious time.

In other news, the UAW has refused to make any concessions, thus assuring that the $17 million Bush just handed over to Chevy and Chrysler will never be seen or heard from again. I've got to buy a new truck, I think it will be a Ford.

Is it too late to arrange to have Henry Paulson kidnapped by aliens? I think history will show that Paulson and Bush created a financial panic which induced a recession (hopefully not a depression) where none truly existed - and killed two birds with one stone by showing future terrorists how to truly bring down the USA.

There was a time that I could tolerate Bush and thought he was probably a nice man, just misunderstood. Now I think he's a tool.


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