Muslim Brotherhood Invited to Obama's Egypt Speech?

Muslim Brotherhood Invited to Obama’s Egypt Speech?

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No matter how you look at it, this seems like a stunningly bad idea: ‘Brotherhood’ Invited To Obama Speech By U.S.

A sign that the Obama administration is willing to publicly challenge Egypt’s commitment to parliamentary democracy: various Middle Eastern news sources report that the administration insisted that at least 10 members of the Muslim Brotherhood, the country’s chief opposition party, be allowed to attend his speech in Cairo on Thursday. The brotherhood is a Salafist/ Islamist party with branches in many countries, and it does not have a reputation for liberalism and has supported violent campaigns against Israel (and Egypt’s own government). It has deep roots in the region and traces its intellectual lineage to Sayyid Qutb, a top American-educated Islamic intellectual who was executed — or martyred — by the Egyptian government in 1966. The Brotherhood has direct links with Sunni groups like Hamas in the Palestinian territories.

(I’m putting a question mark in the title, because I haven’t seen solid confirmation of this report yet.)

UPDATE at 6/3/09 8:25:35 pm:

Well, it’s been confirmed that this horrible idea is a reality.

Khaled Hamza, editor of the Muslim Brotherhood Web site, confirmed to FOXNews.com that 10 members of the Brotherhood’s parliamentary bloc received official invitations to attend the speech.

The list includes Mohammed Saad el-Katatni, head of the parliamentary bloc.

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265 comments

whiterasta Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:41:01pm

Invite Bin Laden while you are at it, huh?

brookly red Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:41:26pm

It seems to fit, let us see.

JacksonTn Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:41:30pm

Yes or No? ... not hard ...

Asked if members of the Muslim Brotherhood would be in the audience during tomorrow’s speech, there was a bit of hedging, with administration officials opting to say that the President wanted to speak to “the full range of political representation in Egypt and really across the Muslim world,” but not confirming the Muslim Brotherhood would be there. McDonough said that invitations were made not only by the State Department but the embassy in Cairo and the Egyptian government had a role in identifying people to attend.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

Occasional Reader Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:42:07pm

If true, I hope the US Secret Service is covering these potential hecklers with some well-aimed Hecklers.

whiterasta Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:42:49pm

It seems Obama is getting Foreign Relations Policy advice from Jimmy Carter.

CyanSnowHawk Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:43:10pm

Stunningly bad idea indeed.

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:43:11pm

I doubt Mubarak would allow it even if the invite is real.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:43:36pm

Well, that's one way to keep tabs on 'em for the duration.....a variation on the keep your friends close and your enemies closer thing.
Then again, in case of trouble, they are easier to round up all in a bunch....

brookly red Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:43:38pm

re: #5 whiterasta

It seems Obama is getting Foreign Relations Policy advice from Jimmy Carter.

or the whole thing is staged.

Occasional Reader Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:43:46pm

Do they simply not know who these creeps are? Or do they not care?

In the first case, it's yet another "not ready for prime time" moment.

In the second, it does not even bear thinking about.

opnion Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:43:56pm

I heard somewhere today that the invitees are 10 Egyptian lawmakers with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Even if that is true, this is probably a bad idea.

screaming_eagle Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:44:05pm

Obama better be carefull is he asks for their help. Saying we need to work together might mean bad shit for America.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:44:35pm

Wonder if he's using TOTUS, or if his remarks will be off the kuffar....

eon Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:44:58pm

re: #5 whiterasta

It seems Obama is getting Foreign Relations Policy advice from Jimmy Carter.

When The One wears a wristband with W.W.J.D. on it, it isn't the same J. everyone else is thinking of.

/just Jimmy C.

cheers

eon

brookly red Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:45:05pm

re: #12 screaming_eagle

Obama better be carefull is he asks for their help. Saying we need to work together might mean bad shit for America.

get used to it.

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:45:28pm

If this is true the farmer might as well invite the fox to the hen house.

The level of security that would be required for such a happening make me blanch.

whiterasta Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:45:29pm

re: #9 brookly red

I agree with you, let's wait and see.

HAL2010 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:45:43pm

CAIRO--Good news for political reformers and Islamists: In an unexpected bit of diplomatic choreography, several members of the Muslim Brotherhood have been invited to attend Barack Obama's speech in Cairo tomorrow. This is a small triumph for the many people upset that Obama's visit would simply affirm Hosni Mubarak's near-monopoly on political discourse here, and if reports are true that the invitation came after a push for Washington, suggests that Obama isn't putting on a show perfectly tailored to Mubarak's liking.
To the typical American, the Muslim Brothers may sound more sinister than they are: Dedicated to an Islamist society in Egypt, they are a badly weakened political party which--although linked to terrorism in past decades--now operates nonviolently in the Egyptian parliament, in what precious little breathing room Mubarak's security state allows.

... Oddly, it is not Islamists like Habib who are most upset with Obama right now. It is sectarian reformers like Ayman Nour, a 2005 presidential candidate who was imprisoned in 2006 and unexpectedly released earlier this year. I also met today with Nour, who told me that he, too, had been invited to Obama's speech--although he says he won't go and doesn't expect to applaud it. Tomorrow, I'll write more about Nour, perhaps the one Egyptian opposition figure Obama can get behind.

Seems like its real.

Occasional Reader Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:45:50pm

Don't worry, Obama spend some of his grade school years in a Muslim country, so everything is cool.

JacksonTn Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:46:15pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I doubt Mubarak would allow it even if the invite is real.

Then maybe someone needs to tell them that they are not invited ... cuz I am thinking from their website they think they are ...

[Link: www.ikhwanweb.com...]

if we are not supposed to link to their website ... please delete ...

opnion Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:46:38pm

Obama overestimates himself. He thinks that he can identify 'Moderate" Taliban & bring them around & that he can woo Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers. He is way to used to MSM fawning.

Last Mohican Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:46:45pm

I'm going to try to refrain from hyperventilating until I see confirmation that this is true. The more I think about it, the more I can't imagine even Barack Obama inviting ten members of an Islamist terrorist group to his speech.

whiterasta Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:47:09pm

re: #14 eon

WWJD? Is wat dat?

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:47:14pm

What could possibly go wrong.
///

Last Mohican Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:47:57pm

re: #1 whiterasta

Invite Bin Laden while you are at it, huh?

And then, right when he reaches for the bean dip, kaplowey! You slap the handcuffs on him.

Whiterasta, you magnificent bastard!

SeafoodGumbo Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:48:45pm

McClatchy is also reporting this.

The most sought-after tickets in Cairo this week are for Obama's speech tomorrow at Cairo University, and there's been widespread speculation about who would get invites.

Would the audience of 3,000 plus people include members of the Muslim Brotherhood? Would it include political dissidents who have challenged Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s 27-year rule? Would it include prominent bloggers who have exposed torture in Egypt?

The answer is: Yes.

Among those to receive invites are 10 of the 88 lawmakers associated with the Muslim Brotherhood; Ayman Nour, the Egyptian politician who spent more than three years in prison after challenging Hosni Mubarak for president in 2005; an Egyptian blogger who goes by the name Sand Monkey; Wael Abbas, another human rights blogger who has exposed torture in Egypt by posting shocking videos on his YouTube site, and Gamal Eid, head of the Arabic Network for Human Rights information.

Nour and the Muslim Brotherhood lawmakers are expected to be in the audience. So will Abbas and Sand Monkey.

“Even those who oppose Obama’s speech are going,” said Sand Monkey. “No one will miss this.”

Well, at least one person is planning to pass up the cherished invite.

Eid said he won’t be there. Why? Because another invitee is the Israeli ambassador to Egypt, and Eid said he didn’t want to be in the same room as a representative of what he called a “criminal” government.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:48:45pm

If he does a head-bump, will the press cover it?
/sarc/

whiterasta Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:48:53pm

re: #25 Last Mohican

Karl Rove is my lesser evil twin!

Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:48:59pm

Yo, Mr. President -

Q. Does the name Qutb mean anything to you? Zawahiri, perhaps? Please advise. That is all.

A. The Spiritual mentor of the Brotherhood and alQueda and his acolyte, #2 in alQueda and one of the killers of Anwar Sadat. That is MORE than enough.

-S-

HAL2010 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:49:03pm

I'm keeping an open mind about this until he has delivered the speech.

Whatever he says, I'm sure we will have a lot to talk about.

danrudy Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:49:10pm

Why not?

He does lead "one of the worlds largest muslim countries".

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:49:17pm

Let Freedom Ring? What a bunch of ignorant dangerous neophytes.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:49:57pm

re: #31 danrudy

Okay... and yet we're ' not a Judao-Christian nation'.
Go figure.....

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:50:11pm

re: #30 HAL2010

I'm keeping an open mind about this until he has delivered the speech.

Whatever he says, I'm sure we will have a lot to talk about.

I can't think of anything good possibly coming from this.

Occasional Reader Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:50:23pm

re: #26 SeafoodGumbo

an Egyptian blogger who goes by the name Sand Monkey;

That's actually a small piece of good news. (Although I thought "Sand Monkey" was pretty concerned about maintaining his anonymity... I wonder how he'll manage that if he shows up.)

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:50:26pm

re: #1 whiterasta

Invite Bin Laden while you are at it, huh?

If he'd show up, why not? A lot of people would like to talk to him.

Fenway_Nation Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:51:04pm

Maybe I'm a bit biased, but this is a stunningly bad idea.

opnion Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:51:36pm

re: #33 tradewind

Okay... and yet we're ' not a Judao-Christian nation'.
Go figure.....

No bringing Judeo-Christianity to the town square blurs the line between Church & State.
Bringing Islam however is just open & groovy.

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:51:37pm

re: #37 Fenway_Nation

Maybe I'm a bit biased, but this is a stunningly bad idea.

The whole concept is a stunningly bad idea

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:52:14pm

re: #37 Fenway_Nation

Maybe I'm a bit biased, but this is a stunningly bad idea.

We are talking about Obama. ;)

Jewels (AKA Julian) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:52:22pm

Little Suprises me anymore with The One. We'll wait and see, tho

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:52:39pm

re: #37 Fenway_Nation

Maybe I'm a bit biased, but this is a stunningly bad idea.

I sure would like to hear the opinion of our resident Obama boosters as to whether they think this is a wise idea or not, and why.

callahan23 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:52:45pm

In Germany, his next stop-over he should feel right at home with them aiding dinner-jacket in his pursuit for the Bomb. /
Appeasement all around and no wise, rational and morally correct political leaders in sight.
Nile Gardiner the Director of the Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom at the Heritage Foundation in Washington, D.C. - writes a superb article in the British Telegraph:
Barack Obama should stop apologising for America

Fenway_Nation Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:52:49pm

re: #39 Nevergiveup

re: #40 DEZes

I didn't say I was surprised.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:53:10pm

Why doesn't he go visit the troops he's sending to Afghanistan instead and give them a pep talk?

screaming_eagle Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:53:26pm

re: #40 DEZes

We are talking about Obama. ;)

Is that like saying the sun is hot?

Rexatosis Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:53:39pm

If this story is true someone in the White House needs to be fired. The Muslim Brotherhood is not exactly into "peace, love, and understanding."

SeafoodGumbo Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:02pm

Re: Obama and the Muslim Brotherhood...

Obama's Muslim-Outreach Adviser Resigns

The Muslim-outreach coordinator to the presidential campaign of Barack Obama has resigned amid questions about his involvement in an Islamic investment fund and various Islamic groups.
[advisor] Schiff Hardin

Mr. Asbahi said he did not want to distract Obama's campaign.

Chicago lawyer Mazen Asbahi, who was appointed volunteer national coordinator for Muslim American affairs by the Obama campaign on July 26, stepped down Monday after an Internet newsletter wrote about his brief stint on the fund's board, which also included a fundamentalist imam.
...
"I served on that board for only a few weeks before resigning as soon as I became aware of public allegations against another member of the board," Mr. Asbahi said in his resignation letter. "Since concerns have been raised about that brief time, I am stepping down...to avoid distracting from Barack Obama's message of change."

The eight-year-old connection between Mr. Asbahi and Mr. Said was raised last week by the Global Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report, which is published by a Washington think tank and chronicles the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood, a world-wide fundamentalist group based in Egypt. Other Web sites, some pro-Republican and others critical of fundamentalist Islam, also have reported on the background of Mr. Asbahi. He is a frequent speaker before several groups in the U.S. that scholars have associated with the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Justice Department named Mr. Said an unindicted co-conspirator in the racketeering trial last year of several alleged Hamas fund-raisers, which ended in a mistrial. He has also been identified as a leading member of the group in news reports going back to 1993.

But he hadn't really quit...

"Last Month, His Coordinator For Muslim Outreach, Mazen Asbahi, A Chicago Lawyer, Quit After Reports That He Belonged To The Board Of An Islamic Investment Fund That Included A Radical Imam. Asbahi Has Not Stopped Working On Behalf Of Obama, Though. He Appeared At The Luncheon To Say That Despite His Official Exit He Was Still '110%' Behind Obama And That He Was Participating In Campaign Conference Calls On Muslim Outreach." (Sean Higgins, "Muslim Outreach Proves A Tricky Issue For A Campaign Lauded As Multicultural," Investor's Business Daily, 8/26/08)

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:08pm

re: #20 JacksonTn

The invitations for Thursday`s speech came not from the US embassy, but from the sheikh of al-Azhar university, one of Egypt"s most prestigious centres of Islamic learning.

The university is jointly hosting the landmark Obama speech.

"The invitation came from Egyptian institutions, not the US administration," said Mohammed al-Katatni, head of the Muslim Brotherhood`s parliamentary bloc. "I expect to hear reassurances to the Muslim and Arab world, and I expect that he will push the democratic agenda."

Thanks for posting that.

Occasional Reader Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:16pm

re: #45 tradewind

Why doesn't he go visit the troops he's sending to Afghanistan instead and give them a pep talk?

There are some in his political circles who appear more interested in giving our troops a perp walk.

Fenway_Nation Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:23pm

re: #47 Rexatosis

If this story is true ~~some~~ Everyone in the White House needs to be fired. The Muslim Brotherhood is not exactly into "peace, love, and understanding."

That's all I have to say about that.

Hawaii69 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:23pm

re: #6 CyanSnowHawk

Stunningly bad idea indeed.

Seems like a good idea to me.

Then, they will have no way to claim that they were
excluded or marginalized when the U.S. President spoke to their "Puppet Government".

Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:26pm

What would these men do if Michelle attended sans sleeves?

(I, personally, don't care if she shows us her arms.)

danrudy Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:43pm

re: #33 tradewind

And they say GWB was a moron?
If GWB had amde any of these stupid statements the press would eat him alive.
57 states, Speaking Austrian in Austria, America one of the world larges muslim countryies (even if you assume we have 6 million which is way higher then PEW estimates of 1.8 million that would put us something like 35th largest)

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:49pm

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

re: #40 DEZes

I didn't say I was surprised.

I didn't think you would be

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:54:57pm

re: #44 Fenway_Nation

re: #40 DEZes

I didn't say I was surprised.

I never meant to imply you did.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:55:08pm

re: #47 Rexatosis

It could be worse. They could invite all ten of them on board AF1 for an impromptu low-and-slow tour of NYC .......

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:55:20pm

re: #46 screaming_eagle

Is that like saying the sun is hot?

Does a fat dog fart?

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:55:33pm

re: #47 Rexatosis

If this story is true someone in the White House needs to be fired. The Muslim Brotherhood is not exactly into "peace, love, and understanding."

Who in the Arab world is?

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:55:41pm

re: #54 danrudy

And they say GWB was a moron?
If GWB had amde any of these stupid statements the press would eat him alive.
57 states, Speaking Austrian in Austria, America one of the world larges muslim countryies (even if you assume we have 6 million which is way higher then PEW estimates of 1.8 million that would put us something like 35th largest)

GWB = (R), Obama = (D). That is all that matters.

/ is it sarcasm, or is it memorex?

Occasional Reader Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:55:55pm

re: #40 DEZes

We are talking about Obama. ;)

Then we can dig it!

He's a complicated man
the only one who understands him
is his woman...

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:56:05pm

re: #53 EmmmieG

At least she doesn't have to worry about being sent home sans head, like an ordinary muslim housewife would.

callahan23 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:56:13pm

re: #30 HAL2010

I'm keeping an open mind about this until he has delivered the speech.

Whatever he says, I'm sure we will have a lot ~~to talk about~~ of explaining to do.

FTFY

1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:56:20pm

re: #18 HAL2010

Nothing to worry about. They've Moderated their positions and don't stand for what they did in the past.

Where have I read something like that before?

///somewhat

danrudy Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:56:24pm

re: #60 FurryOldGuyJeans

BINGO !

quickjustice Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:56:46pm

Once Obama has charmed the Muslim Brotherhood, they'll be putty in his hands./

screaming_eagle Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:56:52pm

re: #58 DEZes

Does a fat dog fart?

What does Al Gore have to do with it?

Occasional Reader Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:57:04pm

Later.

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:57:11pm

...various Middle Eastern news sources report that the administration insisted that at least 10 members of the Muslim Brotherhood, the country’s chief opposition party, be allowed to attend his speech in Cairo on Thursday.

I'm calling BS on this. See the link at #20

cavallino_rampante Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:57:24pm

I wonder if President Obama has read "The Looming Tower" . . .

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:57:25pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

Then we can dig it!

He's a complicated man
the only one who understands him
is his woman...

Shame no one understands her. ;)

rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:57:36pm

Will Michelle be there in a burkha?

SeafoodGumbo Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:57:40pm

re: #45 tradewind

Why doesn't he go visit the troops he's sending to Afghanistan instead and give them a pep talk?

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:57:55pm

Yoo hoo! Obama boosters! Come tell us we are all morons for thinking Teh (sic) One is wrong about this!

JacksonTn Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:58:03pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I'm calling BS on this. See the link at #20

Killgore ... guess we will find out soon ...

/meanwhile ... back to the Tea Parties! ...

Rexatosis Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:58:07pm

Just a radical idea, how about if Pres. Obama meets with some leading Egyptian Coptics? They could use of support, especially after the Egyptian government had their pigs slaughtered to stop a flu passed from human to human taking away many Copts livelyhood.

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:58:10pm

Israel fears ramifications of Obama's Cairo speech
Jerusalem hopes president's speech will promote reconciliation with Arab world, but official says government awaiting speech with 'suspense and embarrassment' due to fears of consequences it may have on US-Israel relations

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

And some people think there isn't an ill wind blowing from Washington DC towards Jerusalem?

Randall Gross Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:58:23pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

I doubt Mubarak would allow it even if the invite is real.

Just extending the invite if it exists gives them more legitimacy than they deserve.

Fenway_Nation Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:58:33pm

So what's the latest from Little Rock, BTW? If it isn't All Tiller All the Time Coverage, it's the Muslim-Street-Embraces-0bama coverage.

Why you'd hardly think an American GI was slain in an American City by an overseas-trained jihadi convert in the past 48hrs......

ointmentfly Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:58:50pm

In the mind of Obama and his supporters, there is no evil in the world. Only misunderstood groups with legitimate gripes.

danrudy Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:59:16pm

re: #72 rightymouse

Will Michelle be there in a burkha?

Since the US is no longer allowed to use its military I assume Michelle will also not be allowed to bare arms either.

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:59:33pm

re: #72 rightymouse

Will Michelle be there in a burkha?

"Bambi hon, does this Burka make my ass look huge?

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 3:59:47pm

re: #61 Occasional Reader

We're the ones who get Shafted.

Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:00:28pm

re: #59 Nevergiveup

Who in the Arab world is?

Nevergiveup -

The "Brotherhood" has been outlawed in Egypt since the later days of King Farouk. Ever wonder why? Don't think you have to.

-S-

whiterasta Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:00:29pm

Too depressing. Goodnight and G-d Bless.

1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:00:31pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I figured you would!

screaming_eagle Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:00:43pm

re: #82 DEZes

"Bambi hon, does this Burka make my ass look huge?

No ,but it improves the other end.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:00:55pm

re: #79 Fenway_Nation

OR that he said he didn't get to kill nearly enough of them.
That's the most salient point, IMO. Talk about your incitements....

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:01:18pm

Barak, Biden meeting at White House

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

And to Barak goes the bones?

callahan23 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:01:24pm

re: #83 tradewind

We're the ones who get Shafted.

Not quite yet.
Israel is going to have that treatment by the anointed 0ne.

Pianobuff Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:01:35pm

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:02:05pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

Mogen David wine?

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:02:30pm

re: #75 JacksonTn

Tea Parties in Morocco are fun. Mint tea with lots of sugar. I don't remember what the tea was like in Egypt. We ate something in a restaurant there that we thought was some sort of rabbit stew. After we finished eat dad arranged the bones on the serving platter to create a partial cat skeleton. He was good like that.

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:02:35pm

re: #73 SeafoodGumbo

Allahhuey-ack-barf.

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:02:43pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

Maybe a an autographed pigskin from the Steelers?

screaming_eagle Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:02:50pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

Israel

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:04pm

re: #92 FurryOldGuyJeans

I was thinking maybe a case of really dusty single malt.......

Randall Gross Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:12pm

This looks like Al Azhar being politically provocative to me if you read the MB site. Thanks for looking that up JacksonTn

Fenway_Nation Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:13pm

re: #88 tradewind

Hard for the MSM to spin it as being Bush's fault. That could in part explain the silence.

100

Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:21pm

re: #96 screaming_eagle

Israel

Wish I had said that.

101

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:23pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

Michelle?

102

SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:31pm

re: #53 EmmmieG

What would these men do if Michelle attended sans sleeves?

(I, personally, don't care if she shows us her arms.)

Admire her biceps, and let the London Guardian do their complaining for them.

103

callahan23 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:32pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

The latest in genetical engineering for camels and goats.

104

Rexatosis Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:38pm

RE: #91 Pianobuff

Maybe Yusef "Cat Stevens" Islam's Greatest Hits on 8-Track.

105

rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:42pm

re: #81 danrudy

Since the US is no longer allowed to use its military I assume Michelle will also not be allowed to bare arms either.

Do they arm bears there though?

106

tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:49pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

You have to watch for eyeballs.

107

Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:50pm

re: #78 Thanos

It looks like the invite came from the Islamic school, not the administration. I'm guessing that invitation might be revoked.

108

DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:03:52pm

re: #96 screaming_eagle

Israel

Touche.

109

JacksonTn Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:04:13pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Tea Parties in Morocco are fun. Mint tea with lots of sugar. I don't remember what the tea was like in Egypt. We ate something in a restaurant there that we thought was some sort of rabbit stew. After we finished eat dad arranged the bones on the serving platter to create a partial cat skeleton. He was good like that.

Killgore ... well, Tea Party with the Muslim Brotherhood ...

Tea with a side of ... YOUR HEAD ON A PLATE! ...

/not directed at you personally KT ...

110

screaming_eagle Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:04:13pm

re: #100 Nevergiveup

Wish I had said that.

Wish it wasn't true.

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:04:33pm

re: #82 DEZes

"Bambi hon, does this Burka make my ass look huge?

As my husband is fond of saying "If you have to ask, the answer is probably 'yes'".

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Pianobuff Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:05:13pm

re: #104 Rexatosis

RE: #91 Pianobuff

Maybe Yusef "Cat Stevens" Islam's Greatest Hits on 8-Track.

How about a collectors DVD of Yentl/The Main Event signed by Babs?

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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:05:26pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

It looks like the invite came from the Islamic school, not the administration. I'm guessing that invitation might be revoked.

It will be interesting to watch, in theory as hosts the university can invite anyone, another reason that Obama shouldn't be going to that hotbed of unrest.

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Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:05:36pm

US federal judge tosses warrantless wiretap cases
Published: 06.04.09, 00:11 / Israel News
A federal judge on Wednesday tossed out more than three dozen lawsuits filed against US telecommunications companies for allegedly helping the US government spy on Americans without warrants.

In addition, he ordered officials in Maine, New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont and Missouri to halt their investigations of the telecommunication companies for their alleged participation in the once-secret surveillance of telephone calls and e-mail. (AP)

Good news!

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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:05:48pm

re: #111 rightymouse

As my husband is fond of saying "If you have to ask, the answer is probably 'yes'".

As I told my ex (not that my answer was one of the reasons for being ex), "would saying yes mean I love you any less?"

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:06:07pm

re: #59 Nevergiveup

Who in the Arab world is?

I'm having an image of a woman in a caftan and headscarf waving her arms eagerly, trying to get someone's attention. Her.

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:06:08pm

re: #104 Rexatosis

RE: #91 Pianobuff

Maybe Yusef "Cat Stevens" Islam's Greatest Hits on 8-Track.

Rexatosis -

Good Idea - 8-Tracks were 8-Tracks WORLDWIDE. No regions, No Incompatability, unlike DVD's.

-S-

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:06:10pm

re: #106 tradewind

Yes, dad liked to eat goat's heads too. Around the Mediterranean, they consider it the best part.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:06:33pm

re: #99 Fenway_Nation

I think they don't want to call attention to what happens when ignorant prison inmates have contact with Islamic jihadis in jail.....
Some Americans might not want the Gitmoees to be place in our prison system...

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eon Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:06:58pm

re: #73 SeafoodGumbo

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany

To borrow one of Mandy's sayings, Oh, for f**k's sake.

It's especially bad that as one "American official" said,

"There was never any intention of The President going (to the Normandy memorial observance). We just went through the motions to placate Sarkozy."

I think Sarko is finding out what it feels like to be Bibi Netanyahu.

And the Germans haven't been "offended" by any American President going to Normandy since the first one who did (Ike, IIRC). I doubt that they're going to start now, especially not Merkel.

From all indications, The One just doesn't like reminders of what he regards as "American Triumphalism". Which means that his staff must work overtime scrambling to come up with excuses for his "default" behavior.

/At some point, doesn't reality have to intrude on his little self-admiring fantasyland?

cheers

eon

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:07:23pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm having an image of a woman in a caftan and headscarf waving her arms eagerly, trying to get someone's attention. Her.

SF Zionist -

Perhaps Sting's "Desert Rose?"

-S-

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[deleted] Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:07:32pm

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:00pm

re: #113 Thanos

Yeah, I really haven't followed the debate about why he chose Egypt but maybe Turkey would have been better. Or Kosovo, they love us there.

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:01pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

DVD's of Ronald Reagan speeches?

125

SixDegrees Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:05pm

re: #54 danrudy

And they say GWB was a moron?
If GWB had amde any of these stupid statements the press would eat him alive.
57 states, Speaking Austrian in Austria, America one of the world larges muslim countryies (even if you assume we have 6 million which is way higher then PEW estimates of 1.8 million that would put us something like 35th largest)

Buried somewhere in that statement I suspect there is a nugget of truth. Dearborn, Michigan has, I believe, the largest number of Arabs outside the Middle East. Most (but not all) of whom are Muslims.

After passing through several 20-something speechwriters, a few Microsoft editing applications and whatever software is used in the teleprompter, it probably got a little garbled along the way.

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zombie Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:16pm

Tolerance of evil is worse than intolerance.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:21pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

See # 94 above ......

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irongrampa Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:24pm

Not gonna say it--as if everyone couldn't guess what it'd have been.

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Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:39pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm having an image of a woman in a caftan and headscarf waving her arms eagerly, trying to get someone's attention. Her.

Then she was waving her arms in the directing of President Bush who was pushing Freedom and Democracy thru out the Arab World, unlike this President who is canning that strategy and playing ball with all the same Dictators who gave us 9/11

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Kragar Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:08:54pm

re: #73 SeafoodGumbo

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany

Cocksucker

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SixDegrees Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:09:32pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Tea Parties in Morocco are fun. Mint tea with lots of sugar. I don't remember what the tea was like in Egypt. We ate something in a restaurant there that we thought was some sort of rabbit stew. After we finished eat dad arranged the bones on the serving platter to create a partial cat skeleton. He was good like that.

I wish there was a Moroccan restaurant near here. It's a really interesting cuisine.

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DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:09:38pm

Wheres Mandy, She needs to post "it" again.

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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:10:24pm

re: #114 Nevergiveup

US federal judge tosses warrantless wiretap cases
Published: 06.04.09, 00:11 / Israel News
A federal judge on Wednesday tossed out more than three dozen lawsuits filed against US telecommunications companies for allegedly helping the US government spy on Americans without warrants.

In addition, he ordered officials in Maine, New Jersey, Connecticut, Vermont and Missouri to halt their investigations of the telecommunication companies for their alleged participation in the once-secret surveillance of telephone calls and e-mail. (AP)

Good news!

That's great news

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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:10:26pm

Here's a second link on yet another Obama advisor who was fired, but wasn't, and who is wayyy too chummy with the worst kinds...HAMAS' President-Elect: Obama Was Talking to HAMAS for Months Using "Fired" Advisor; UPDATE: VIDEO ADDED
**** UPDATE: Reader Alex sent the video, below, of HAMAS advisor, er . . . Obama advisor Robert Malley yukking it up with Muslims and attacking Israel. BARF. SCROLL DOWN.

Remember Robert Malley, the pro-HAMAS, rabidly anti-Israel foreign policy advisor whom Barack Obama claimed he fired from his campaign when Malley's extremist point of view came to light?

Well, not only was that a lie--Malley was NOT fired--but Malley has been making entreaties to HAMAS on behalf of Obama for months. I'm sure all the dummies--Jewish and otherwise--who voted for this man for President won't care about this latest news, since they weren't bothered by Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rashid Khalidi, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers, and Bernadine Dohrn.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:10:27pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I really haven't followed the debate about why he chose Egypt but maybe Turkey would have been better. Or Kosovo, they love us there.

Turkey's in NATO, so I think they seem too 'safe'. Also, not Arabs. Kosovo, same, plus, they really love us, but the rest of the Muslim world doesn't much care what they think.

The Kosovars would love it if he'd come though. There would be folk-dancing, and giant dinners.

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DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:10:27pm

re: #130 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cocksucker

A thousand updings.

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[deleted] Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:10:46pm

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callahan23 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:10:47pm

re: #126 zombie

Tolerance of evil is worse than intolerance.

Just look up my profile:
Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil - Th. Mann

I am all against appeasement.

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Gus Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:10:48pm

The Speech (the White House hopes) Heard 'Round the World: a Preview of President Obama's Speech to the Muslim World [sic]

Asked if members of the Muslim Brotherhood would be in the audience during tomorrow’s speech, there was a bit of hedging, with administration officials opting to say that the President wanted to speak to “the full range of political representation in Egypt and really across the Muslim world,” but not confirming the Muslim Brotherhood would be there. McDonough said that invitations were made not only by the State Department but the embassy in Cairo and the Egyptian government had a role in identifying people to attend.

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eon Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:11:26pm

re: #124 rightymouse

DVD's of ~~Ronald Reagan~~ his own speeches

/

Because He Is The One.

/Who, I'm rapidly coming to suspect, spends most of his waking hours podering the question, "Can knowing me possibly be as amazing and uplifting an experience as being me?"

/Sort of channeling Tommy Tomorrow

cheers

eon

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:11:47pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

If he had any cool at all**, he'd give him a mare or a colt from one of the US' top Arabian breeders .... we have some of their best bloodstock over here.
**So he won't do that.

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Gus Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:11:48pm

re: #73 SeafoodGumbo

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany

[deleted]

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:11:58pm

re: #131 SixDegrees

I wish there was a Moroccan restaurant near here. It's a really interesting cuisine.

Moroccan food is fabulous. Yummy stuff. Anything from North Africa is pretty good, actually.

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:12:00pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Yes, dad liked to eat goat's heads too. Around the Mediterranean, they consider it the best part.

There's a joke waiting to happen about the other end of a goat.

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:12:44pm

re: #126 zombie

Tolerance of evil is worse than intolerance.

zombie -

Looked at your "contact" information, do NOT blame you. I would like to speak with you, please make the arrangements for real contact, might be interrrresting.

-S-

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:12:52pm

re: #131 SixDegrees

I wish there was a Moroccan restaurant near here. It's a really interesting cuisine

There are a few Moroccan restaurants here but they're terrible gimmicky places where you have to sit on the floor and eat with your hands while a fat chick runs around doing a lame belly dance type thing. The food is awful and vaguely foreign/middle eastern but not even close to Moroccan.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:13:10pm

re: #144 rightymouse

There's a joke waiting to happen about the other end of a goat.

Don't be sheepish about making it happen. ;)

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irongrampa Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:13:13pm

Just to be clear--I don't suffer from Obama Derangement Syndrome, it's more properly called Obama Disgust Syndrome.

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Gus Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:13:26pm

re: #73 SeafoodGumbo

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany

But he will be going to Normandy on the 6th.

[Link: whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com...]

/Mumble

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Eowyn2 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:13:50pm

did anyone else notice this

The Brotherhood has direct links with Sunni groups like Hamas in the Palestinian territories

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:14:43pm

re: #149 Gus 802

Shhhh! Ur facts iz interefin' with mah outrage!

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:15:16pm

Tea Party!

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:15:16pm

re: #140 eon

Because He Is The One.

/Who, I'm rapidly coming to suspect, spends most of his waking hours podering the question, "Can knowing me possibly be as amazing and uplifting an experience as being me?"

/Sort of channeling Tommy Tomorrow
cheers
eon

Didn't he give DVD's of his campaign speeches already? Hopefully, the WH gift office isn't into redundancy, but who knows?

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Gus Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:15:25pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Shhhh! Ur facts iz interefin' with mah outrage!

:-]

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:15:37pm

re: #133 Thanos

That's great news

Thanos -

As a Federalist System, the Court cannot order the Attorneys General of the States about. The Court CAN, however REFUSE to hear their silliness. Works for me. Same result.

-S-

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:15:55pm

Stunned silence ensues.

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Eowyn2 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:16:25pm

re: #95 Nevergiveup

Maybe a an autographed pigskin from the Steelers?

Jim McMahan Bears?

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:16:38pm

re: #154 Gus 802

They're all quiet because they're thinking about how much they hate you now.

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:17:19pm

re: #147 FurryOldGuyJeans

Don't be sheepish about making it happen. ;)

Bahhhhhhh!

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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:17:21pm

re: #149 Gus 802

But he will be going to Normandy on the 6th.

[Link: whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com...]

/Mumble

I'm sure one of the intrepid members of the White House Press Corps will ask Obama why a visit that would have offended Germany a few months ago won't offend them now.

Actually, maybe I'll email Jake Tapper - he's the only real journalist of the bunch and might actually ask the question.

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eon Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:17:27pm

re: #153 rightymouse

Didn't he give DVD's of his campaign speeches already? Hopefully, the WH gift office isn't into redundancy, but who knows?

Maybe they'll go Blu-Ray this time?

/more storage capacity for inspiring images of The One on each disc

cheers

eon

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Gus Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:17:43pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

They're all quiet because they're thinking about how much they hate you now.

Wasn't it on that map with the Giant Obama with him standing on Iran?

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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:17:44pm

Drudge has a photo that has the following words:

OBAMA
New
Tutanhkamon
of the
World

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Eowyn2 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:17:53pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

Twisted

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:18:01pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There are a few Moroccan restaurants here but they're terrible gimmicky places where you have to sit on the floor and eat with your hands while a fat chick runs around doing a lame belly dance type thing. The food is awful and vaguely foreign/middle eastern but not even close to Moroccan.

The place I went to last, the belly dancer was in fine shape (very fine shape), and we got to sit on little sofas. Food was great. At least I think so. Never been to Morocco.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:18:14pm

re: #124 rightymouse
Maybe Exodus on Blu-Ray.

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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:18:26pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

Tea Party!

So every 200 hundred years we get the same rallying cry?
I feel cheated...I want a coffee party...

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JacksonTn Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:18:30pm

re: #163 FurryOldGuyJeans

Drudge has a photo that has the following words:

FOGJ ... comes from a guy selling t-shirts ... there was a post about it earlier ...

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:18:53pm

re: #161 eon

Maybe they'll go Blu-Ray this time?

/more storage capacity for inspiring images of The One on each disc

cheers

eon

Is there an EU equivalent format of Blu-Ray? If so, they'll probably screw that one up too.

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Gus Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:18:54pm

re: #160 SeafoodGumbo

I'm sure one of the intrepid members of the White House Press Corps will ask Obama why a visit that would have offended Germany a few months ago won't offend them now.

Actually, maybe I'll email Jake Tapper - he's the only real journalist of the bunch and might actually ask the question.

Politics. Probably had something to do with Sarkozy being there at the time. It's hard to figure these things out sometimes.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:19:01pm

re: #166 tradewind

Maybe Exodus on Blu-Ray.

Nah, the Holocaust miniseries.

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Eowyn2 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:19:01pm

re: #161 eon

Maybe they'll go Blu-Ray this time?

/more storage capacity for inspiring images of The One on each disc

cheers

eon

Blu-Pink Ray?

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:19:16pm

re: #163 FurryOldGuyJeans

Drudge has a photo that has the following words:

Huh?

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Kragar Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:19:30pm

re: #163 FurryOldGuyJeans

Drudge has a photo that has the following words:

Now when he was a young man,
He never thought he'd see
People stand in line to see the boy king, KING TUT!

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:19:48pm

re: #166 tradewind

Maybe Exodus on Blu-Ray.

The complete works of Barbra Streisand.

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[deleted] Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:19:51pm

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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:20:06pm

re: #168 JacksonTn

FOGJ ... comes from a guy selling t-shirts ... there was a post about it earlier ...

I know, just find it more than a bit ironic that one of the least effective pharaohs is now a point of comparison.

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:20:14pm

re: #171 FurryOldGuyJeans

Nah, the Holocaust miniseries.

They'd enjoy it too much.

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Gus Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:20:21pm

Back to work...biaw

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:20:33pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

All of the above/

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Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:20:42pm

U.S. Lawmakers Call on Saudi Government to Stop Using 'Hate Speech' in Textbooks
Reps. Weiner, Crowley and Berkley called on the Saudi government to stop planting what they said were seeds of hate in Saudi children through religious textbooks

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

But Obama is in Saudi Arabia asking them for "advice and counsel"? About what?

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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:20:46pm

re: #35 Occasional Reader

That's actually a small piece of good news. (Although I thought "Sand Monkey" was pretty concerned about maintaining his anonymity... I wonder how he'll manage that if he shows up.)

Good question considering that only 3000 people will be there which isn't really that many. Maybe he's going to get zombified.

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DEZes Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:21:27pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

They'd enjoy it too much.

They would file it under fiction.
*Spits*

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callahan23 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:21:47pm

re: #156 Killgore Trout

All the verbal abuse that was directed towards the 0 up until now in this thread is well deserved regardless if he travels to Normandy or not.
He is most probably inviting islamists to his speech, shuns Israel entirely on this trip and visits the biggest trading partner of Iran namely Germany.

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FurryOldGuyJeans Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:22:03pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

They'd enjoy it too much.

But the Brotherhood denies the holocaust ever happened.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:22:05pm

re: #181 Nevergiveup

I'd be happier if they'd start by removing the hate speech from the madrassas in the United States.....

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[deleted] Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:22:25pm

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Walter L. Newton Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:22:52pm

I found this Ron Paul link, he is a secret Mason...

[Link: freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com...]

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:22:54pm

Any statement from the WH on the soldier killed in AR.

................silence

Didn't think so.

Tea Party!

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Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:22:56pm

re: #186 tradewind

I'd be happier if they'd start by removing the hate speech from the madrassas in the United States.....

Sure would be a good start and one you would think we could accomplish?

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:23:05pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

They're all quiet because they're thinking about how much they hate you now.

Killgore Trout -

"THEY" can HATE me over here and HATE me over there - Makes no difference.
Does their HATRED produce a drop more Milk to nourish their infants? Does it create ONE (1) Job for a Man or Woman to support their children?
It does NOT. To Make it "short" - CHOOSE LIFE. That is all.

-S-

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Eowyn2 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:24:18pm

spinning wheel got to go round

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Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:24:29pm

re: #189 1SG(ret)

Any statement from the WH on the soldier killed in AR.

................silence

Didn't think so.

Tea Party!

Well that might interfere with the big speech tomorrow?

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:24:42pm

re: #175 SanFranciscoZionist

The complete works of Barbra Streisand.

That may fall under the definition of 'torture'.

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Eowyn2 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:24:52pm

re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans

But the Brotherhood denies the holocaust ever happened.

and they have ties to that Hamas GROUP in palestine.

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eon Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:25:11pm

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Is he a boy-king?

Definitely, and even more wet behind the ears than Tut.

Is he expected to die young?

No, but his supporters are certain, certain, that anyone who isn't "one of them" wants to do him in- because they're all, well, just evil.

Is he encased in layers of gold?

Not unless you count all the money he's going to extract from us to pay for his economic brainstrorms.

Is there a curse that descends upon those who open the tomb of his political past?

Oh yeah, big time.

cheers

eon

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JacksonTn Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:25:40pm

Muslim Brotherhood is not happy that a Jew was invited so they want a little discussion with parliament ...

The Muslim Brotherhood MPs had requested an emergency debate in parliament on the invitation of the Israeli ambassador, and university lecturers threatened to block Cohen from entering the campus. However, the protests were said to have subsided when the Muslim Brotherhood MPs found their names on the guest list as well, along with the name of recently released opposition activist Ayman Nour.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

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experiencedtraveller Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:25:55pm

There are several good reasons why Obama should invite the Muslim Brotherhood IF it is done for the right reasons. (And I have no confidence in it being done for the right reasons but theoretically...)

1. We can learn their names. The 'top 10' reaches fairly deep into a political party. There may be some newbies.

2. We can offer them carrots.

3. We can show them our sticks.

4. Diplomatically, we are the House. And the House never loses as long as people are playing the game.

Its a bit ugly, I know and completely contrary to my normal complete opposition to all forms of tyranny. But as Richard Nixon famously said "international relations is not like lunch at the club..."

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:26:05pm

re: #185 FurryOldGuyJeans

But the Brotherhood denies the holocaust ever happened.

They can still dream....
Feh.

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gatorbait Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:26:21pm

The Muslim Brotherhood are guilty of mass murder. When Obama reaches out to them, he demonstrates the depth of his amorality. It is unconscionable.

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:26:35pm

re: #161 eon

Maybe they'll go Blu-Ray this time?

/more storage capacity for inspiring images of The One on each disc

cheers

eon

eon -

Blue-Ray is a DEAD format walking. Much like "EL-CASSETTE" - which was also a "Superior Format" - Not good enough better to make a "dent."

-S-

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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:27:15pm

re: #194 rightymouse

That may fall under the definition of 'torture'.

Hey! It's just an--"Enhanced Expression of Friendship". That's it!

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Eowyn2 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:27:34pm

by kids
play nice
I'll be home with your new uncle when the bar closes.

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Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:28:00pm

re: #197 JacksonTn

Muslim Brotherhood is not happy that a Jew was invited so they want a little discussion with parliament ...

The Muslim Brotherhood MPs had requested an emergency debate in parliament on the invitation of the Israeli ambassador, and university lecturers threatened to block Cohen from entering the campus. However, the protests were said to have subsided when the Muslim Brotherhood MPs found their names on the guest list as well, along with the name of recently released opposition activist Ayman Nour.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Can ya feel the love yet?

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Killgore Trout Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:28:27pm

re: #184 callahan23

That's the spirit!

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eon Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:29:49pm

re: #201 Dr. Shalit

eon -

Blue-Ray is a DEAD format walking. Much like "EL-CASSETTE" - which was also a "Superior Format" - Not good enough better to make a "dent."

-S-

Good news for a change. I'm content with DVD.

/heck, I was happy with VHS.

Well, I'm off for tonight. Going to watch a movie and work on my latest model- a Martin B-10B, vintage 1935 (the real thing, not the model kit).

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:29:52pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey! It's just an--"Enhanced Expression of Friendship". That's it!

Heh.

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razorbacker Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:31:14pm

I sure wish that I had the Rolaids concession for the Secret Service detail that guards President Obama.

Bound to be some churning stomachs.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:32:30pm

No wonder he thinks they're gonna love him. He's ' reviving a dormant Arab fantasy'......
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

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gtrs Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:33:05pm

so he has seen to it that the israeli ambassador and ELECTED members of the egyptian parliament are invited to a speech designed to bring about DIALOGUE; seems reasonable to me

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beens21 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:33:06pm

so he spends a week on drafting this speech, it is going to be translated into 13 languages,broadcast on the internet at about 6 places, this speech that he says is for the "Muslim" world. Is he going to make a speech to the Christian, or Jewish, or Buddhist or whatever world? And, why is not stopping in Israel on this trip? I think this deliberate snub sends a terrible message to Israel's neighbors.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:34:21pm

re: #190 Nevergiveup

Not a chance in hell unless we get the house and senate back in the midterms and '12.....

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IslandLibertarian Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:36:00pm

re: #177 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know, just find it more than a bit ironic that one of the least effective pharaohs is now a point of comparison.

Tutankhamen, boy king, known only for his "BLING"........... it fits.

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[deleted] Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:36:23pm

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Vicious Babushka Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:36:27pm

re: #91 Pianobuff

Any guesses on what gifts Obama will give on this trip?

A CD collection of Barbra Streisand's Greatest Hits

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realwest Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:36:48pm

re: #189 1SG(ret)
Hey Top - good to see you! Y'all ought to check the spin off links; President Obama isn't the only one to virtually ignore the Muslim convert's murder and attempted murder of two US recruiters.

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pingjockey Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:36:59pm

Afternoon all. No statement from the WH about the soldier killed in Arkansas, the one may(?) have invited the Muslim Murderhood to his speech and the Egyptian parliment had a fit that a jew was going to be there.
To quote Mandy...I HOPE ALL OF YOU WHO STAYED HOME AND DIDN'T VOTE FOR MCCAIN ARE FUCKING HAPPY!

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:37:02pm

On to more important things...Abortion thread ---->this way

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Nevergiveup Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:37:21pm

re: #209 tradewind

No wonder he thinks they're gonna love him. He's ' reviving a dormant Arab fantasy'......
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Great analysis and points out the stark differences between the Bush and Obama administrations for those who think they are the same!

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gtrs Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:37:32pm

also; i can find NOWHERE on whitehouse.gov saying that he won't be at normandy(plese correct me if i am wrong)

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[deleted] Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:37:44pm

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realwest Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:38:17pm

re: #217 pingjockey
Hey ping! Check the spin off links about the ignoring of that story by the MSM as well as the WH.
And btw, it's just funnier when Mandy says it - sorry 'bout that!

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:39:10pm

re: #217 pingjockey

I voted for him, but can't say I was happy about it. He was the best choice!

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:39:25pm

re: #204 Nevergiveup

Can ya feel the love yet?

Nevergiveup -

Absent Islamic Silliness, The REAL Egyptians are a Very Practical People. The NILE Rises - and - Subsides. Fertile SILT - IS DEPOSITED. Crops MAY grow. Subtract Islam, or at least its more Radical Adherents, and Egypt becomes again a Cradle of Civilization. That is quite enough. I wish the Real EGYPT well, as I do the Real PERSIA - and - the Real "MESOPOTAMIA/IRAQ - or whatever it will be called in the Future.

-S-

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:40:34pm

re: #216 realwest

I saw it. Makes my fucking blood boil! It's a brotherhood thing with me though!

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:41:29pm

re: #187 buzzsawmonkey

Maybe Obama is "the new Tutankhamen of the world" because he seems to live in Nepher-Nepher Land.

That's gonna incense some folks.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:41:56pm

re: #219 Nevergiveup
I thought so too... it's lengthy, so here is the crucial point made for anyone who doesn't have time to read it...

From its first days the Bush administration made it clear that the onus for change in the Middle East was on the Palestinians: Until they put an end to terrorism, established a democratic government and accepted the basic parameters for a settlement, the United States was not going to expect major concessions from Israel.
Obama, in contrast, has repeatedly and publicly stressed the need for a West Bank settlement freeze, with no exceptions. In so doing he has shifted the focus to Israel. He has revived a long-dormant Palestinian fantasy: that the United States will simply force Israel to make critical concessions, whether or not its democratic government agrees, while Arabs passively watch and applaud. "The Americans are the leaders of the world," Abbas told me and Post Editorial Page Editor Fred Hiatt. "They can use their weight with anyone around the world. Two years ago they used their weight on us. Now they should tell the Israelis, 'You have to comply with the conditions.' "

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:42:18pm

Where did everyone go.......Oh never mind!

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realwest Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:42:28pm

re: #225 1SG(ret) Yeah, it's a brotherhood thing with me too - but it's also just further evidence - not that we needed any - of the Media's bias.
How are you doing my friend?

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razorbacker Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:43:53pm

re: #224 Dr. Shalit

Wow. I had just checked my e-mail and found this. It is an e-mail. I have no confirmation or evidence.

The author of this e-mail is said to be Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected psychiatrist.
A German's View on Islam

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.

'Very few people were true Nazis,' he said, 'but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.'

Today, we are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.

It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide.

It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave.

It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor-kill.

It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.

It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals.

It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to become suicide bombers.

The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were

Responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And, who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our posers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points:

Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence..

Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

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tradewind Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:44:25pm

re: #228 1SG(ret)

To the abortion thread.
(A place I had better avoid)...

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gtrs Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:44:35pm

as of RIGHT THIS SECOND; whitehouse.gov reports that PRESIDENT OBAMA will be in france with shark(sarkozy) and brown(british p.m.) on june 6 with ALL THREE participating(also PRESIDENT OBAMA will be visiting an american cemetery in france; i take it, it is a military burial place)

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callahan23 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:44:38pm

re: #228 1SG(ret)

Where did everyone go.......Oh never mind!

Obeyed you command here:
;-)
re: #218 1SG(ret)

On to more important things...Abortion thread ---->this way

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:44:47pm

Have been better my friend... last couple of days has been trying, if you know what I mean! Tough being a Christian around here lately!

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:46:25pm

re: #206 eon

Good news for a change. I'm content with DVD.

/heck, I was happy with VHS.

Well, I'm off for tonight. Going to watch a movie and work on my latest model- a Martin B-10B, vintage 1935 (the real thing, not the model kit).

Good night, Lizards.

Sleep tight.

cheers

eon

eon -

DVD was an obviously "better" format than VHS. "Blue Ray" to DVD, especially with "upconvert" output - NOT SO MUCH. Toshiba lost a small fortune trying to compete with HD-DVD. Glad they got out. The TOSHIBA Specialty, along with Westinghouse, their partner, is Building Nuclear Reactors and at least branding competent Laptop Computers.

-S-

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:46:28pm

re: #232 gtrs

A holy spot of land!

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Randall Gross Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:46:40pm

re: #123 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I really haven't followed the debate about why he chose Egypt but maybe Turkey would have been better. Or Kosovo, they love us there.

I'm talking about Al Azhar

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:47:44pm

re: #233 callahan23

I was joking....but we see what priorities are in America

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:48:44pm

re: #232 gtrs

And yes, I knew it was a smartass comment on your part!

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gtrs Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:49:44pm

re: #236 1SG(ret) so why are people making things up? i can't see anywhere that changes in the trip have changed(there was asnafu involving the queen BUT i thought that was cleared up by the french); also, if he visits ANY american grave overseas of a U.S. serviceman that is indeed holy ground in my opinion

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rightymouse Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:49:47pm

re: #234 1SG(ret)

Have been better my friend... last couple of days has been trying, if you know what I mean! Tough being a Christian around here lately!

Hang in there. The best folks can be right now is a beacon for true Christian thought and behavior. You know we have nothing to do with crazy people who do crazy things.

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John Neverbend Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:49:58pm

re: #197 JacksonTn

Muslim Brotherhood is not happy that a Jew was invited so they want a little discussion with parliament ...

Welcome to the theatre of the absurd.

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gtrs Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:50:31pm

re: #239 1SG(ret)
bullshit; my comment was NOT a smartass comment; YOU ARE WRONG IF YOU THINK THAT

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pingjockey Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:51:31pm

re: #222 realwest
S'alright. Was off boiling some eggs! I'll have to go and check the spin offs!

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:53:01pm

re: #240 gtrs

I don't make shit up....if other's do "not my problem". Never commented on the issue!

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pingjockey Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:54:32pm

Dinner, BBL!

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SixDegrees Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:54:48pm

re: #146 Killgore Trout

There are a few Moroccan restaurants here but they're terrible gimmicky places where you have to sit on the floor and eat with your hands while a fat chick runs around doing a lame belly dance type thing. The food is awful and vaguely foreign/middle eastern but not even close to Moroccan.

I have a cookbook which many claim is authentic, and I like what comes out of it. But I have little to compare it to. Went to a joint in Chicago that was outstanding, but there's nothing at all in my entire state.

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gtrs Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:56:06pm

re: #245 1SG(ret) i was not saying you made anything up; but why would folks upthread do so? with all the issues that are "fair game", why make up stuff?

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 4:56:15pm

re: #243 gtrs

I can't be wrong...1SG's are never wrong..... didn't you ever go the basic!

Sorry if I took it wrong! A touchy spot for me. I have a Uncle there!

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gtrs Wed, Jun 3, 2009 5:00:39pm

re: #249 1SG(ret) i honor his service(as i honor all of the fallen)

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1SG(ret) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 5:01:36pm

OK, I killed this thread....Realwest, if you are still around. Hope you and Mom are doing OK! Hope to talk to you soon!

Top

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realwest Wed, Jun 3, 2009 5:07:41pm

re: #251 1SG(ret)
Hey Top - still here momentarily - but it's been a tough couple of days - to say the least - for people in the US Armed Forces to be IN America - given the lack of coverage of the murder of one of them and the shooting/attempted murder of another and the almost total indifference to that in the MSM.

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Stuart Leviton Wed, Jun 3, 2009 5:20:44pm

re: #195 Eowyn2

and they have ties to that Hamas GROUP in palestine.

Maybe Hamas will release Shalit.

By the way, I was wondering if N. Korea's activities last week was meant to pressure President Obama before his Egypt speech. Any insights on global connections?

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Stuart Leviton Wed, Jun 3, 2009 5:38:38pm

re: #211 beens21

why is not stopping in Israel on this trip? I think this deliberate snub sends a terrible message to Israel's neighbors.

How so? I am curious.

I do not believe it matters whether the President visits Israel. What matters are President Obama's actions. Plus, I can think of some reprehensible recent visits to Israel by world figures. On the other hand, Obama could have used a visit to Israel as a way to amplify a message of reconciliation and brother (I'm not being tongue and cheek). But, please, do say more.

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Hawaii69 Wed, Jun 3, 2009 6:24:51pm

re: #73 SeafoodGumbo

Barack Obama rejects Normandy trip to avoid offending Germany

Welcome to April.

At that time, he said he would be visiting Normandy on June 6th, to commemorate the anniversary of the invasion.

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Dr. Shalit Wed, Jun 3, 2009 7:59:13pm

re: #230 razorbacker

razorbacker -

Got the POINT. How COULD a German Patriot NOT love Germany? AND - Germany's MISTAKE was NOT to LOVE ALL GERMANS. The Patent to Cubic Zirconium is owed by a US Corporation due to employment contract of a Jewish, German, Refugee. His Father earned the "EisenKreuz" 2nd Class as did 'Dolph.' His "EisenKreuz" allowed them to live in Germany, unmolested, for a couple of extra years - giving those who left, the time to leave. On the OTHER Side of the Equation, Amero-Germans were allowed a right of return to the Vaterland. A close friend of my father, Frederick - a/k/a "Ferdie" as in "The Horse" went back with his parents and was killed on the Russian Front. Such was the NSDAP Regime.

-S-

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researchok Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:02:26pm

Confirmed: Muslim Brotherhood at Obama Speech.

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Maui Girl Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:19:47pm

re: #73 SeafoodGumbo

And again our hallowed Prez chooses to not pay homage to our fallen brethren. What an ass this man is. He really ISN'T proud to be an American.

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philip Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:45:16pm

Meh...confirmation by Faux News isn't really confirmation at all.

I'll believe it when a real news bureau reports on it. And even then I'll yawn; Muslim Brotherhood is to Egypt as the Constitution Party is to USA.

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capitalist piglet Wed, Jun 3, 2009 8:54:57pm

re: #255 Hawaii69

Welcome to April.

At that time, he said he would be visiting Normandy on June 6th, to commemorate the anniversary of the invasion.

Where did the "to avoid offending Germany" part come from, do you suppose?

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Pete(Detroit) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:23:21pm

President Biden?

Just sayin'...
Man, I'd HATE to have security detail at ANY of these stops..

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Pete(Detroit) Wed, Jun 3, 2009 9:26:47pm

re: #259 philip

Muslim Brotherhood is to Egypt as the Constitution Party is to USA.

well, except that the 'Constitution Party' doesn't (as far as I know - as always, I reserve the right to be wrong) go around shooting up folks w/ full auto weapons, or blowing themselves up (or, rather, providing vests for those who DO)
Make no mistake - the MB is Radical Islamist Terror's "polite face."
Not that it's all that polite.

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philip Thu, Jun 4, 2009 12:06:05am

Constitution Party is just as right-wing and anti-woman as MB is. Any party that is anti-woman is pro-violence imho.

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n2stox Thu, Jun 4, 2009 9:08:53am

Ok, here's the plan:

Let's drop our friendship with the blossoming former Eastern bloc countries that are becoming decent democracies and cozy up to Putin as he rolls tanks into some of them.

Let's turn our back on our only ally in the middle east that at a moment's notice would take up arms by our sides. Not behind us, but standing shoulder to shoulder.

Let's rush US marshals to protect abortion clinics after a right wing extremist with multiple ties to the anti-abortion movement shoots a Dr at church (why not send the marshals to churches?), but let's just ignore the military recruiting sites because that shooter was just a lone gunman.

Let's watch N Korea launch a bunch more missiles. If they do it close enought to Independence Day, maybe they'll let us pull up a chair and BBQ.

Let's high-five Hugo Chavez, but be sure to not be involved in dissing Queen Elizabeth in her no-invite to Normandy.

Let's have our DHS chair claim publicly that the 9/11 hijackers came through Canada and that the Canadian border is just as dangerous as our border with Mexico.

Let's let Iran build a nuke, but disallow Israel from building civilization.

And that's just in the last month or so. And he says we ain't seen nothing yet? WE ARE SO SCREWED!

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philip Thu, Jun 4, 2009 11:00:17am

Cry about it.

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