Courtesy of MEMRI TV, a bizarre Iranian CGI propaganda film starring “John McCain” with co-star “George Soros.” This was aired February 5, 2008 on Iranian TV.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:41:43pm |
They - More than the American Left - believe that the People are entirely STUPID!
-S-
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Nevergiveup Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:42:51pm |
Maybe they might want to do "The Sapranos" The Movie?
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yochanan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:43:58pm |
iran today's fascism
enjoy shaking that bloody hand mr. zero.
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jcm Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:45:11pm |
Looks believable to me!
Sorry I've got to get back to reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Riveting stuff.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:45:49pm |
re: #1 Dr. Shalit
They - More than the American Left - believe that the People are entirely STUPID!
-S-
That should be circulated as widely as possible. It will offend both the right and left in this country and thus build support for action against the mullahs. Congrats Iran: You offended both Moveon.org and the Tea Parties with that on.
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:46:43pm |
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:47:39pm |
The reality, it would seem, is that the Iranians are not or didn't buy it, thank goodness.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:49:15pm |
Supposedly from yesterday - watch 'til the end and see the basiji running from the crowd.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:50:18pm |
Weird, the second half won't play for me.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:51:20pm |
re: #10 brucee
Saw the title, expected some CNN footage.
Nope. Not even they would bite the hand of the Dark Lord Soros.
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:53:17pm |
Al Qaeda's evidently not ready with their CGI Osama Bin Laden...
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:53:17pm |
Needs to be tightened up. Too much lag time.
Also, I think it would be more effective if you saw Manucher telling his sister he appreciates her stopping him from destroying Iran, and assuring her he's grateful for being made to see the light. Otherwise, I sort of wonder what the hell is going to happen when he gets out, and that would make me nervous if I were a sweet Iranian girl considering turning in my brother.
I wonder if they get a lot of nutjobs calling 113.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:54:54pm |
re: #11 American Sabra
Weird, the second half won't play for me.
This won't play at all for me and I just got the latest windows media player the other day. :-(
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eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:55:02pm |
Sound but no picture here. Anybody got a transcript?
For that matter, somebody needs to brief the mullahs. In case they haven't noticed, McCain lost the election.
/Propaganda, like any decently-crafted lie, needs at least a few facts as a foundation before you start creating fantasies.
cheers
eon
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:55:25pm |
re: #16 Iron Fist
Wow. Just wow. We should respond with a 5 megaton response.
Come on! The CGI wasn't THAT bad.
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OldLineTexan Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:55:36pm |
re: #13 Dar ul Harb
Al Qaeda's evidently not ready with their CGI Osama Bin Laden...
It still says "durka durka jihad durka"; South Park virus embedded in the s/w.
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nines09 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:55:47pm |
I KNEW it was TV. I knew it I knew it I knew it.
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Dr. Shalit Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:56:21pm |
re: #17 eon
Sound but no picture here. Anybody got a transcript?
For that matter, somebody needs to brief the mullahs. In case they haven't noticed, McCain lost the election.
/Propaganda, like any decently-crafted lie, needs at least a few facts as a foundation before you start creating fantasies.
cheers
eon
eon -
"Stupid is as Stupid Does." That is all.
-S-
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Airedale Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:57:01pm |
# 9, I saw that an hour ago. I love the live action and the cheering.
Kinda reminded me of the movie "300" when those Persians got their asses handed to them
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jcm Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:57:27pm |
re: #13 Dar ul Harb
Al Qaeda's evidently not ready with their CGI Osama Bin Laden...
Bin Laden's gig isn't up in Vegas yet...
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eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:58:11pm |
re: #21 Dr. Shalit
eon -
"Stupid is as Stupid Does." That is all.
-S-
I feel sort of stupid, now that I've noticed that it was from February 2008. I wonder if we'll see a "revised" version with Obama replacing McCain?
cheers
eon
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:58:29pm |
re: #15 Pvt Bin Jammin
This won't play at all for me and I just got the latest windows media player the other day. :-(
Try again from the front page if you haven't already.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:58:31pm |
re: #17 eon
Sound but no picture here. Anybody got a transcript?
For that matter, somebody needs to brief the mullahs. In case they haven't noticed, McCain lost the election.
/Propaganda, like any decently-crafted lie, needs at least a few facts as a foundation before you start creating fantasies.
cheers
eon
They mentioned Soros buying the election.
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brucee Sun, Jun 21, 2009 5:59:42pm |
re: #13 Dar ul Harb
Al Qaeda's evidently not ready with their CGI Osama Bin Laden...
Now that you mentioned it:
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Mich-again Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:00:08pm |
The John McCain character looked a lot like Barry Switzer.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:00:30pm |
John Kerry is gonna be pissed! See what we made them do? We meddled and meddled and this is what we get. We meddle, they get mad then make sinister propaganda that causes more people to hate us.
We should not do anything, that's the best path to peace and freedom. Combined with conciliatory oratory and gentle statecraft, how could this go wrong?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:01:16pm |
re: #26 unrealizedviewpoint
They mentioned Soros buying the election.
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I think they were just trying to attack America in general. They don't want detente with us, they need an enemy to justify themselves. That fact dooms any initiative Obama might launch.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:05:09pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I think they were just trying to attack America in general. They don't want detente with us, they need an enemy to justify themselves. That fact dooms any initiative Obama might launch.
Yea. You have to figure they put this out in Feb, just prior to their own elections. Make sure the seed is well planted. Of course, I'm sure it's more of the same they've been hearing on a regular basis or at least since the last election.
But I am impressed that a significant number of Iranians see it for the BS it is. Whether they can do anything about it I guess remains to be seen.
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:05:59pm |
"We are the guardians of your information."
Creepy, just plain creepy.
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unrealizedviewpoint Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:05:59pm |
re: #30 Dark_Falcon
I think they were just trying to attack America in general. They don't want detente with us, they need an enemy to justify themselves. That fact dooms any initiative Obama might launch.
I believe you are correct.
This long commercial (I suppose) was aired to educate the Iranian populace as to our infiltrating.
I was merely responding to Eon's comment:
/Propaganda, like any decently-crafted lie, needs at least a few facts as a foundation before you start creating fantasies.
They mentioned Soros buying the election.
/
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:06:33pm |
re: #17 eon
For that matter, somebody needs to brief the mullahs. In case they haven't noticed, McCain lost the election.
The mullahs' render farm is a bunch of junk Pentium IIs connected with serial cables. They started the render before the election, and just had to go with it.
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Shug Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:06:46pm |
I wish Senator McCain was this animated during his Presidential Campaign
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:07:50pm |
Try linking to Andrew Sullivan's blog if your link doesn't work. From there it worked fine for me earlier. That's the link I provided earlier in the spinoffs.
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Shug Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:07:56pm |
re: #28 Mich-again
The John McCain character looked a lot like Barry Switzer.
YES !
that was my first thought when the LGF front page loaded.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:08:25pm |
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eon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:08:28pm |
re: #34 Dar ul Harb
The mullahs' render farm is a bunch of junk Pentium IIs connected with serial cables. They started the render before the election, and just had to go with it.
Which probably explains why it looks like something out of an old Gerry Anderson puppet show!
/Or a computer game from before Doom
cheers
eon
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:09:13pm |
re: #32 Pvt Bin Jammin
"We are the guardians of your information."
Creepy, just plain creepy.
Thought the same thing. How Big Brother of them.
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albusteve Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:09:17pm |
re: #40 eon
Which probably explains why it looks like something out of an old Gerry Anderson puppet show!
/Or a computer game from before Doom
cheers
eon
DOOM!
2pts
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:10:50pm |
does amyone know the international dialing code for iran? maybe a bunch of expat iranians can call 113 and report any basijis they know of to the authorities. talk about throwing a turd in the mullahs' punchbowl.
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Spare O'Lake Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:11:58pm |
Happy Father's Day to all lizard fathers.
The MEMRI piece is a fascinating bit of blatant propoganda, without a hint of subtlety.
How stupid they must think their public to believe that ordinary Iranians would swallow this crap.
Ridiculous.
Laughable.
Except for the Soros stuff, which is true.
bwahahahaha
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:12:46pm |
re: #47 _RememberTonyC
does amyone know the international dialing code for iran? maybe a bunch of expat iranians can call 113 and report any basijis they know of to the authorities. talk about throwing a turd in the mullahs' punchbowl.
hehe Somehow I think that once you leave, it's a don't-look-back kinda thing.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:13:18pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:13:54pm |
re: #47 _RememberTonyC
does amyone know the international dialing code for iran? maybe a bunch of expat iranians can call 113 and report any basijis they know of to the authorities. talk about throwing a turd in the mullahs' punchbowl.
I'd prefer to just do what has been done to some of the robocall coompanies: Flood their phone systems with calls playing this.
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Gus Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:14:15pm |
According to a recent poll, thirty-six percent of Americans overall said this video is "very likely" or "somewhat likely" to be true.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:14:29pm |
re: #48 Spare O'Lake
Happy Father's Day to all lizard fathers.
The MEMRI piece is a fascinating bit of blatant propoganda, without a hint of subtlety.
How stupid they must think their public to believe that ordinary Iranians would swallow this crap.
Ridiculous.
Laughable.Except for the Soros stuff, which is true.
bwahahahaha
I don't call him the Dark Lord Soros for no reason.
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Irenicum Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:14:32pm |
Hello mullah
hello fatah
here I am at
camp grenade!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:14:34pm |
re: #50 American Sabra
hehe Somehow I think that once you leave, it's a don't-look-back kinda thing.
it would be a great act of patriotism ... especially for those with family back in iran who might be able to give the names of known basijis that can be "reported" to 113.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:14:47pm |
Here's some propaganda from earlier this week....
IRAN STATE TV (english): Proof and confession of opposition groups inciting violence
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Pvt Bin Jammin Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:14:59pm |
bbl, lizards, our daughter is here.
Happy Father's Day all.
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Sharmuta Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:15:52pm |
re: #46 jaunte
Who knew McCain and Soros were so fluent in Farsi.
This secret cabal of farsi speakers during the 0bama administration proves he's a sekrit muslim!
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TheMatrix31 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:15:55pm |
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:16:06pm |
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jaunte Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:16:07pm |
'Having a good time in America' is presented as the ultimate imagined reward for the 'traitors.'
Maybe a little projection going on.
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Shug Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:16:13pm |
re: #60 Sharmuta
This secret cabal of farsi speakers during the 0bama administration proves he's a sekrit muslim!
and a public fars
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Pianobuff Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:16:43pm |
Hey - I know who produced this..... al'leh x'jo'nhes.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:17:57pm |
IRG public information types must do something to earn their pensions but the mullahs know they can depend on western media to provide the really professional propaganda for them.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:18:08pm |
re: #65 Pianobuff
Hey - I know who produced this..... al'leh x'jo'nhes.
Assisted by Weird Nut Daily.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:18:39pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
A complete and total Rick Roll A Rama. Brilliant.
Kerry would flip out cuz they'd nuke is for sure!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:20:58pm |
re: #62 _RememberTonyC
you are truly evil ;)
Nope, I've just got a taste for the classics. The best part of using pop music to flood Islamist comm systems is that won't raise too much hostility in the West, but it will drive Islamists crazy. I say we Rickroll 'em.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:21:11pm |
I don't really like Christiane Amanpour (speaking of propagandists), but I have to give her some props for her work this past week. I've watched more CNN in the last week than I have in the past year. And they have been very good on the iran story.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:22:54pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
Nope, I've just got a taste for the classics. The best part of using pop music to flood Islamist comm systems is that won't raise too much hostility in the West, but it will drive Islamists crazy. I say we Rickroll 'em.
we should toss in some george michael just for dinnerjacket. since (according to him) there are no gays in iran, he should have to experience the real thing.
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shiplord kirel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:24:30pm |
re: #63 jaunte
'Having a good time in America' is presented as the ultimate imagined reward for the 'traitors.'
Maybe a little projection going on.
I though that about the conspirators' decision to work through "artists, intellectuals, and influential people in society."
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:25:36pm |
re: #71 _RememberTonyC
we should toss in some george michael just for dinnerjacket. since (according to him) there are no gays in iran, he should have to experience the real thing.
Well hit'em with some Karma Chameleon then...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:28:06pm |
re: #71 _RememberTonyC
we should toss in some george michael just for dinnerjacket. since (according to him) there are no gays in iran, he should have to experience the real thing.
If we want to give him something by a gay man, I'd suggest the song below. It would remind him that we are determined that "there can be only one":
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:28:21pm |
re: #74 Dar ul Harb
Well hit'em with some Karma Chameleon then...
you get an upding for using the word karma
any old milli vanilli cassettes hanging around? maybe we can come up with a persian version ... "mullah annulla?"
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Dar ul Harb Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:28:37pm |
re: #74 Dar ul Harb
Oh yeah, I forgot. Obama won't go for torture.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:29:11pm |
re: #76 Dark_Falcon
If we want to give him something by a gay man, I'd suggest the song below. It would remind him that we are determined that "there can be only one":
good old Freddy ....
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:30:18pm |
re: #72 shiplord kirel
I though that about the conspirators' decision to work through "artists, intellectuals, and influential people in society."
I noticed that. I'm wondering if it's because "elitists" doesn't have a Farsi equivalent...
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:30:28pm |
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:31:13pm |
After Astley, Boy George, then George Michael, we kick it up a notch with Kaja Goo Goo.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:31:45pm |
re: #79 _RememberTonyC
good old Freddy ....
True that. Queen could carry the thunder, no doubt about it.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:32:02pm |
That video...i hardly know what to say about it.
"We are the guardians of your information" -- Ministry of Intelligence
Little too close to: "Ignorance is Strength" -- Ministry of Truth
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:34:06pm |
re: #85 iceweasel
That video...i hardly know what to say about it.
"We are the guardians of your information" -- Ministry of Intelligence
Little too close to: "Ignorance is Strength" -- Ministry of Truth
In totalitarian countries every year is 1984.
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jvic Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:34:12pm |
re: #32 Pvt Bin Jammin
"We are the guardians of your information."Creepy, just plain creepy.
The sentence is creepy as given, but how good is Memri's translation? ("We are the guardians of your information." --> "We protect your identity." ?) Are any Farsi speakers logged on?
IMO the creepiest thing in the video is Dear Little Sister, who is a specimen of New Soviet Man Islamic Woman that Stalin and Beria would have loved.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:34:13pm |
re: #83 BigPapa
After Astley, Boy George, then George Michael, we kick it up a notch with Kaja Goo Goo.
heads are exploding at the mere thought .....
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:35:05pm |
re: #81 ShanghaiEd
I noticed that. I'm wondering if it's because "elitists" doesn't have a Farsi equivalent...
heh. More seriously, it's because 'artists, intellectuals, and academics' are always demonised, if not 're-educated' or exterminated, by repressive regimes. China, Cambodia, Hitler's Germany. And so on.
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The Other Les Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:35:10pm |
re: #1 Dr. Shalit
They - More than the American Left - believe that the People are entirely STUPID!
-S-
Actually Sir, it's worse than that.
I dug up something I wrote on the subject nine years ago:
Humanity is not merely a physical condition, it is a state of mind. To be human is to be essentially rational and productive. The human mentality (or soul) looks upon the world, the land, the animals and plants, the natural forces, as things to be mastered for the benefit of himself and his posterity. On the other hand, the predator, or savage mentality does not seek to to master the world, but to be the master of men. The savage prefers not to sustain himself by his own effort, but to seize and consume the lives and property of others for material and spiritual sustenance. To the predator, justice consists of "getting away with it" -- those who rightfully resist the predator are to be punished or destroyed.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:36:00pm |
re: #86 American Sabra
Fantastic clip!
Thank you. The picture quality is much better than the average for YouTube and Queen makes full use of that quality.
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experiencedtraveller Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:36:19pm |
Sheesh I never knew I liked George Soros.
/Thanks weird Iranian propagandists!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:39:56pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:41:49pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:42:14pm |
re: #88 jvic
IMO the creepiest thing in the video is Dear Little Sister
I agree, but for a different reason than you.
She's portrayed as the loving family member who has information and wants to do the right thing. Above all her concern is to protect her brother.
So they show her contacting the Ministry of Truth, and bingo-- everything works out just fine. Minitru even calls her to reassure her that the brother's safe and the judge is going to be lenient. The implication is that he's not even going to do jail time.
Please! In the real world, much less a regime like theirs, the brother will most likely be in for jail time. And over there? That poor kid is headed straight to the Ministry of Love for some time in Room 101 and a visit with the rats. And his whole family probably is too.
That's what horrified me most.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:47:51pm |
re: #99 iceweasel
I agree, but for a different reason than you.
She's portrayed as the loving family member who has information and wants to do the right thing. Above all her concern is to protect her brother.
So they show her contacting the Ministry of Truth, and bingo-- everything works out just fine. Minitru even calls her to reassure her that the brother's safe and the judge is going to be lenient. The implication is that he's not even going to do jail time.
Please! In the real world, much less a regime like theirs, the brother will most likely be in for jail time. And over there? That poor kid is headed straight to the Ministry of Love for some time in Room 101 and a visit with the rats. And his whole family probably is too.
That's what horrified me most.
Indeed. Well I think he says "he will be released soon." I guess "soon" could be in relative terms, sentence him to 60 years and let him serve 10?
The extra creepy factor for me is that she's turning in her brother at all. Actually I thought he was a husband, but either way.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:49:38pm |
re: #99 iceweasel
I agree, but for a different reason than you.
She's portrayed as the loving family member who has information and wants to do the right thing. Above all her concern is to protect her brother.
So they show her contacting the Ministry of Truth, and bingo-- everything works out just fine. Minitru even calls her to reassure her that the brother's safe and the judge is going to be lenient. The implication is that he's not even going to do jail time.
Please! In the real world, much less a regime like theirs, the brother will most likely be in for jail time. And over there? That poor kid is headed straight to the Ministry of Love for some time in Room 101 and a visit with the rats. And his whole family probably is too.
That's what horrified me most.
Are you sure you're a lefty? You seem to have a better grasp of the nature of totalitarian regimes than most liberals I've known.
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:53:04pm |
re: #99 iceweasel
Yep. A totally whitewashed scenario, on top of everything else. But that's what propaganda does, I guess.
I'm trying to picture that same situation transferred into our culture. There are definitely times when we're expected to choose country over family, right? Including, I would think, if somebody in our family is working to overthrow the government. But I can't come to a hard equivalency. It's like a hall of mirrors, and I sink down into being so sad for those human beings making their life-changing decisions while events around them are moving a mile a minute.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:53:19pm |
Iceweasel is well read, not well red.
lol
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:58:17pm |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Jun 21, 2009 6:59:06pm |
re: #105 Dark_Falcon
Untill you try to stop a sword thrust with a Blackberry and get your head cut off.
well, ya just might have a point, there, podna.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:05:49pm |
re: #100 American Sabra
Indeed. Well I think he says "he will be released soon." I guess "soon" could be in relative terms, sentence him to 60 years and let him serve 10?
The extra creepy factor for me is that she's turning in her brother at all. Actually I thought he was a husband, but either way.
Sure, 'soon' could be in relative terms, but since the film is propaganda intended to convince families and others to turn loved ones it, I think they intend to imply that he'll be home very soon. As in weeks. Also, the film is doubtless intended to be a message to members of putative resistance groups as well; the brother is portrayed as co-operating with the authorities once busted, and that's why everyone's lenient with him. As though all he'd have to say when busted is "Sorry, I didn't mean it, here's all the info I have-- can I be home for dinner?" and they'll smile and agree.
Bullshit. Dinner for the rats, maybe.
And yes, for us of course the prospect of turning in familiy members is appalling. For us it can't help but bring up thoughts of the Hitler Youth and informers in WWII, and the Stasi and the KGB elsewhere and later.
I'm sure the idea is also appalling for them, even if they don't have the same historical references as we do. It's human nature (usually) to hold family and loved ones closer than our impersonal love of country or principles. Or neighbours, for that matter. That's why we call the golden rule a 'rule'. There'd be no need to call it a 'rule' if we all instinctively followed it all the time.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:07:44pm |
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:12:27pm |
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:16:32pm |
re: #108 iceweasel
Sure, 'soon' could be in relative terms, but since the film is propaganda intended to convince families and others to turn loved ones it, I think they intend to imply that he'll be home very soon. As in weeks. Also, the film is doubtless intended to be a message to members of putative resistance groups as well; the brother is portrayed as co-operating with the authorities once busted, and that's why everyone's lenient with him. As though all he'd have to say when busted is "Sorry, I didn't mean it, here's all the info I have-- can I be home for dinner?" and they'll smile and agree.
Bullshit. Dinner for the rats, maybe.
And yes, for us of course the prospect of turning in familiy members is appalling. For us it can't help but bring up thoughts of the Hitler Youth and informers in WWII, and the Stasi and the KGB elsewhere and later.
I'm sure the idea is also appalling for them, even if they don't have the same historical references as we do. It's human nature (usually) to hold family and loved ones closer than our impersonal love of country or principles. Or neighbours, for that matter. That's why we call the golden rule a 'rule'. There'd be no need to call it a 'rule' if we all instinctively followed it all the time.
Right. It's the way of fascist governments. First to have an outside enemy that's really oppressing the people and then convince them of it. Iranian's people are still young enough to remember better days and not so easily convinced. I.e. 1984. You have to worry when the generations go on and it gets worse, like in Cuba or N.K.
It's the perfect propaganda film. I just shudder to think of how many there are.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:16:59pm |
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:17:44pm |
Not that I meant to imply that I'm not currently worried.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:18:55pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
I thought that V was over the top, but it was well made and its heart was in the right place.
of course! Good campy scifi fun.
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American Sabra Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:19:27pm |
re: #113 Dark_Falcon
I thought that V was over the top, but it was well made and its heart was in the right place.
Eeek. Not a fan. Not even as a movie. I thought it was really sappy if I'm recalling correctly. The woman's character was horrid.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:25:18pm |
re: #112 American Sabra
Right. It's the way of fascist governments. First to have an outside enemy that's really oppressing the people and then convince them of it. Iranian's people are still young enough to remember better days and not so easily convinced. I.e. 1984. You have to worry when the generations go on and it gets worse, like in Cuba or N.K.
It's the perfect propaganda film. I just shudder to think of how many there are.
Yes. I completely agree with you.
And particularly about the need for fascist or totalitarian governments to create an enemy. But it's never only an outside enemy; they crucially rely on the creation of a class of 'inside enemy' as well. The 'inside enemy' is often (not always) portrayed as collaborating with the outside enemy, but is always portrayed as anti-The Cause, traitorous, treasonous, treacherous, infinitely cunning and dangerous. Usually simultaneously portrayed as idiotic, buffoon-like, yet also capable of profound sneakiness and Machiavellian tactics.
It's necessary for an 'inside enemy' to be invented, because it keeps the populace on the jump, looking for these imaginary enemies (instead of at their real common one, their repressive government)--and it also serves as a way to identify and deliegitimise potential sources of resistance even before they form.
Hence the necessity for every totalitarian regime to be anti-intellectual, to target 'artists, intellectuals, and academics' -- and often scientists -- right away.
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BARACK THE VOTE Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:32:59pm |
re: #102 ShanghaiEd
Yep. A totally whitewashed scenario, on top of everything else. But that's what propaganda does, I guess.
I'm trying to picture that same situation transferred into our culture. There are definitely times when we're expected to choose country over family, right? Including, I would think, if somebody in our family is working to overthrow the government. But I can't come to a hard equivalency. It's like a hall of mirrors, and I sink down into being so sad for those human beings making their life-changing decisions while events around them are moving a mile a minute.
We have had similar situations in our culture, but radically less in degree. Think of HUAC. Or McCarthy. Or (coming closer) the internment of the Japanese during WWII-- a shameful episode and one we like to bury away.
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Arrr Sun, Jun 21, 2009 7:43:18pm |
Look at this disgusting pro-Khameini message board:
[Link: www.shiachat.com...]
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"When children start to throw temper tantrums and begin destroying the house, the parents can either let them and their 'friends' take over as they destroy themselves or they can crack the whip of order - or they can dispose of them altogether. Of course, there are many so-called parents that actually join in with their children in the effort and then other forces step in to deal with the situation directly. There are many human 'children' on this planet that are easily led to throw their temper tantrums as they are egged on to believe they are 'sovereign'. There are many on this board that think the same thing. The descendents of Adam are fallen creatures. This does not make them 'stained with original sin' - but it does mean that the inclination to 'forget' and to continue along the descending path exists. It also means that this descending path is the default path everyone follows until they choose to Return and Remember their Lord in all manifestations of the Lords Order, if capable. What's happening in Iran will not be resolved by giving in to 'the people', though that may in fact happen. If it does, you can be sure that the disintegration of 'the people' will continue and accelerate. The Law is being rejected by the people. They want to be 'free'. Their self-worshipping slavery and resulting self-destruction as they sink lower than even the animals ought to be educational to witness. Something to keep in mind is that when you have packs of wild animals attempting to overrun everything, typically its the human beings that put things back into balance. When that which stands above the human level acts, and it is acting right now, don't be suprised when you see large swaths of these wild human animals disposed of as things are restored to balance. "
***
This is the mind of a basij. This is the mind of a religious fascist. It's going to get a HELL of a lot worse before it gets better.
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Throbert McGee Sun, Jun 21, 2009 8:09:03pm |
I kept waiting for McCain and Soros to start dancing Sims 2-style.
[ring-ring]
"Salaam aleykum -- 113 Secret Police Hotline, Mahmoud speaking!"
♪♪"Hiiiiii, Mahmoud!"
"Hiiiiiii, Parviz!"
"What's the story, morning glory?"
"What's the word, hummingbird?"♪♫
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notutopia Sun, Jun 21, 2009 8:11:11pm |
re: #36 Sharmuta
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
I have the same mixed emotions.
I laugh at the unmistakable arrogance of a near panic stricken regime that would contrive and half believe this conspiracy theory and then attempt to confuse and brainwash the citizens of their country.
I could cry for the frustrating and sickening audacity of being subjected to live even through one day of a contrived life with this regime of hubris and propaganda in Iran.
I am so thankful I was fortunate to be borne here and have lived my life in the U.S.of America.
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pegcity Sun, Jun 21, 2009 8:18:43pm |
Mccain worked for the white house?
I was pretty sure Soros was worked for Spectre not the ZOG
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ShanghaiEd Sun, Jun 21, 2009 8:34:14pm |
re: #120 Arrr
Holy cow. My first impression is that with just a smidge of editing, this section could easily be in a book by James Dobson, in between bragging about bravely beating his family's dachshund with a belt.
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LockeStockandBarrel Sun, Jun 21, 2009 8:35:22pm |
Hate to say, but this video is probably the best example of why Obama should stay mum on supporting the green wave. The USA remains forever a fixture in Iranian politics as an enemy to be resisted at all costs... Voicing support for the protestors would play right into the hardliners hands in dismissing their grievances.
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Mich-again Sun, Jun 21, 2009 9:15:45pm |
re: #38 Shug
YES !
that was my first thought when the LGF front page loaded.
"How 'Bout Them Cowboys!"
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jordash1212 Mon, Jun 22, 2009 11:18:37am |
They've got it all figured out, haven't they?
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paybacktime Mon, Jun 22, 2009 12:09:34pm |
I'm going out on a limb and declare that video
FAUXTOGRAPHY.
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Alan K. Henderson Mon, Jun 22, 2009 5:33:07pm |
I don't remember McCain having that much hair. The Iranians are too kind.
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