Terrorist vs. Terrorist in Gaza

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There’s absolutely nobody to root for, as Hamas puts down a threat to their control of Gaza by invading a mosque and slaughtering more than 20 people.

GAZA (Reuters) – Palestinian Islamists Hamas struck back at an al-Qaeda challenge to their grip on the Gaza Strip by storming a mosque in overnight battles that left the leader of the “Warriors of God” splinter group among up to 28 dead.

After fighting ended early on Saturday the town of Rafah was sealed off to media, but Hamas said the physician and preacher who led the group and who had declared an al Qaeda-style Islamic “emirate” from a local mosque on Friday was dead — blown up by his own hand along with a Syrian ally after killing a mediator.

In this screwed up surrealistic conflict, Hamas is actually the “moderate” side. The “Warriors of God” dressed like the Taliban and wanted to impose strict Stone Age conditions on Gaza.

Some of the dead were former Hamas men who, people who knew them said, wanted a tougher line on imposing Islamic rule. The group “wanted a return to anarchy,” said Ehab al-Ghsain, the spokesman for the Interior Ministry of the Hamas government which has run Gaza since routing forces loyal to Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in June 2007.

Residents said the Ibn Taymea mosque where Moussa preached on Friday to a hundred or so supporters, some armed and dressed like Taliban, was hit by grenades and Moussa’s house destroyed.

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247 comments
1 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:14:18am

Can’t they both lose?

2 pat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:14:31am

losers versus losers

3 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:14:58am

They should play shirts vs. skins.

4 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:15:35am
The group “wanted a return to anarchy,”

Damn. Got to give credit to hamas for seeing the threat in that.

5 Jimmah  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:15:47am

Is it too late to start a dialogue with the moderate wing of the “Warriors of God”?

6 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:15:53am
7 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:16:28am
blown up by his own hand along with a Syrian ally after killing a mediator.

Yeesh. These guys just can’t be dealt with.

8 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:16:46am
strict Stone Age conditions

Isn’t Gaza near the Stone Age already?

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:17:17am

re: #3 Cannadian Club Akbar

They should play shirts vs. skins.

Hamas will have to be skins. The fundamentalists don’t show skin.

What a nightmare. Couldn’t we just invent a ray that turns everyone who’s not crazy in Gaza purple or something, evacuate them, and then just saw the whole thing off and let it float away on its own power?

10 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:17:21am

Let’s play pretend:

Suppose Israel stormed a mosque and killed 21 and wounded over 125?

How would the UN behave?

How would Obama Behave?

How would the EU behave?

11 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:06am

re: #10 MJ

Let’s play pretend:

Suppose Israel stormed a mosque and killed 21 and wounded over 125?

How would the UN behave?

How would Obama Behave?

How would the EU behave?

Bat-shit crazy.

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:12am

re: #5 Jimmah

Is it too late to start a dialogue with the moderate wing of the “Warriors of God”?

Yes.

13 Van Helsing  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:18am

Sad, in so many twisted ways.

14 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:18am
wen tief tief tief; massa god laf!

Carribean. When a thief steals from a thief, god laughs!

15 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:18:25am

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:19:11am

re: #8 MandyManners

Isn’t Gaza near the Stone Age already?

Gaza would actually look like a perfectly OK neighborhood in Egypt if the damn shooters would stop shooting.

17 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:19:23am

The Beeb reported this early this morning.
Here is the text:
Gaza Islamist leader dies in raid

The video clip they showed was staggering: this ‘preacher’ (who later blew himself up) in flowing gown, surrounded by masked gunmen - in a mosque. The gunmen moved through the crowd - it was to short to see if they were intimidating the others or clearing a way for that preacher bloke.

All I can say (I know its not very charitable …): please do get on with killing each other, hamasholes, fatahthugs, any other groups and grouplets …!

18 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:19:28am

It reminds me a bit of spy v. spy from Mad magazine, except these terrorists are busy killing each other for real.

Note too where and how they’re killing each other. They’re fighting each other in mosques, and firing off their suicide vests to maximize the carnage.

As Charles says, there’s no one to root for, but it also is a direct result of Hamas playing up its extremist roots and finding that there are Islamists who think they’re not violent enough or not sufficiently Islamist enough.

Hamas doesn’t want competition either - so they’re killing off those who threaten their regime in Gaza.

19 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:19:55am

Pop some popcorn sit back and watch…

20 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:13am

Really…

The group “wanted a return to anarchy,” said Ehab al-Ghsain, the spokesman for the Interior Ministry of the Hamas…

Is that versus “continue with a terrorist nation…?”

21 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:14am

re: #10 MJ

Let’s play pretend:

Suppose Israel stormed a mosque and killed 21 and wounded over 125?

How would the UN behave?

How would Obama Behave?

How would the EU behave?

To misquote Morgan Freeman, “You know how, Miss Daisy.”

God, best moment in the movie.

22 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:30am

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Yeesh. These guys just can’t be dealt with.

And yet the diplomats keep thinking Israel has a partner in peace? These terrorists and thugs can’t help but murder anyone that disagrees with them. They indoctrinate their kids and followers into the same murderous intent.

23 MacDuff  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:35am

Whatever, let Allah sort ‘em out.

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:35am

re: #19 jcm

Pop some popcorn sit back and watch…

You forgot beer. We need beer.

25 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:20:41am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

It’s like a black butterfly. However, that degree of piousness apparently couldn’t save him.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:21:07am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

I bet some of those guy have them put on surgically—like fake duelling scars.

27 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:21:29am

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

Gaza would actually look like a perfectly OK neighborhood in Egypt if the damn shooters would stop shooting.

It’s unfortunate they have such horrible governance and insist on resistance instead of cooperation, because they have some of the most spectacular beach property in the world. If they moved away from conflict and developed their land and economy, I think they’d be very success with tourism.

28 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:21:30am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

Just saying, but the dude with the rifle looks very “western.” Not semitic at all.

29 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:21:36am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

I bet that’s one bump that Proctiv couldn’t cure.

30 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:21:53am

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

Gaza would actually look like a perfectly OK neighborhood in Egypt if the damn shooters would stop shooting.

They don’t have sewers in Egypt?

31 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:21:59am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

And note that he, like so many other ‘preachers’ and ‘scholars’ of that ilk looks as if he’s not a despiser of all that nice, lovely food …
while children in Gaza are starving - or so we’re told by the pali shills.

32 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:22:23am
Some of the dead were former Hamas men who, people who knew them said, wanted a tougher line on imposing Islamic rule. The group “wanted a return to anarchy,” said Ehab al-Ghsain

One of the shortest trips on record…

33 Mithrax  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:22:25am

re: #30 MandyManners

They don’t have sewers in Egypt?

Sure do, they all end in Gaza.

34 Insert Clever Name Here  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:23:08am

Is this a sort of trick question? You root that they destroy each other. Duh.

35 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:23:13am

Negotiations have been successful.


“anyone else want to negotiate?”

/5th element

36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:23:56am

If one side loses, do they get a rematch?

37 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:24:00am

re: #27 Sharmuta

It’s unfortunate they have such horrible governance and insist on resistance instead of cooperation, because they have some of the most spectacular beach property in the world. If they moved away from conflict and developed their land and economy, I think they’d be very success with tourism.

Gaza could be an amazing tourist site, agreed. Not gonna happen under the present regime, or the next five they got lined up.

38 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:24:21am

re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist


Was thinking that the lines are awfully sharp on that mark.

39 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:24:28am

“The Warriors of God”, another shovel-ready project.

40 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:24:46am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

The virgins will be all over him.

41 MacDuff  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:26:00am

If they can’t even get along with other Muslims, how in the hell can they expect to get along with anyone else?

42 Flyovercountry  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:26:52am

It’s a shame they can’t make fighting amongst themselves a full time thing. This would give them less time to kill Jews. Of course, this would not bother the U.N. in the slightest. In all seriousness, how in the world could any sane person with any intellect believe that diplomacy is going to achieve anything with these gentle folk. They don’t need aid, they need teems of social workers and therapy. It’s either that, or we pick an uninhabbited island in the south pacific to share with everyone who has a Coexist bumpersticker. We could call it Nutso Island

43 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:27:07am

re: #40 debutaunt

The virgins will be all over him.

The Virginians will be all over him.

FIFY.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:27:21am

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Just saying, but the dude with the rifle looks very “western.” Not semitic at all.

Nah, he looks like some guy from my shul. (Actually he looks a LOT like some guy from my shul. Josh Adler, that’s not funny.)

Western-strip Semites are generally very fair. Look at the Lebanese. We tend to redheads more than anyone else in the Middle East.

But remember, that guy is brown and indigenous, and my cousin Gilad in Tel Aviv is a white invader.

//

45 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:27:36am

re: #41 MacDuff

If they can’t even get along with other Muslims, how in the hell can they expect to get along with anyone else?

That is the big ol’ flaw, in assuming they would ever want peace with anyone.

46 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:28:02am

re: #30 MandyManners

They don’t have sewers in Egypt?

They could probably install some if it was safe to be working on the street. ;)

47 MacDuff  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:28:20am

re: #42 Flyovercountry

It’s a shame they can’t make fighting amongst themselves a full time thing. This would give them less time to kill Jews. Of course, this would not bother the U.N. in the slightest. In all seriousness, how in the world could any sane person with any intellect believe that diplomacy is going to achieve anything with these gentle folk. They don’t need aid, they need teems of social workers and therapy. It’s either that, or we pick an uninhabbited island in the south pacific to share with everyone who has a Coexist bumpersticker. We could call it Nutso Island

Reality TV!

48 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:28:23am

I’m sure the State Department is working on a statement condemning the “violence’ while saying that all sides “bear responsibility to honor their obligations under the road map” while blaming the whole thing on Israeli settlements ( which, of course, no longer exist in Gaza )…

49 Racer X  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:28:37am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

“Chump Bump”

50 Filala  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:28:39am

Somehow I just don’t feel sympathy for any of these folks.

51 latingent  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:29:48am

What a horrible place to raise kids. With the adults killing each other over their fucking fundamentalism the children dont have a snowballs chance in hell. I wish I could take them all out of there and let these people tear each other apart.

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:30:04am

re: #48 MJ

I’m sure the State Department is working on a statement condemning the “violence’ while saying that all sides “bear responsibility to honor their obligations under the road map” while blaming the whole thing on Israeli settlements ( which, of course, no longer exist in Gaza )…

And then Hillary will remind us that she is the Secretary of State.

53 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:30:10am

re: #39 SurferDoc

“The Warriors of God”, another shovel-ready project.


American health care is a shovel-ready project.

One for all the fertilizer being spread.
One for the morbidity counseling victims.
And one to quietly put the program to rest.

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:30:18am

re: #50 Filala

Somehow I just don’t feel sympathy for any of these folks.

I feel sympathy for the people living in fear on their turf. And the people living in fear in rocket range of their turf.

55 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:31:25am

re: #51 latingent

What a horrible place to raise kids. With the adults killing each other over their fucking fundamentalism the children dont have a snowballs chance in hell. I wish I could take them all out of there and let these people tear each other apart.

I’ve often fantasized about bringing them to a big farm here in Oklahoma.

56 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:31:39am

Just took a gander over at terror apologist Juan Cole site and noticed he didn’t write a word about this on his blog.

57 Filala  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:32:05am

But the Gazans support these people when they try to kill Israelis.

58 Perplexed  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:32:13am

When the last one living looks around what will he have gained? Ashes, death, destruction and a small footnote in history telling people of the incredible waste of lives over nothing.

59 MacDuff  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:32:20am

re: #51 latingent

What a horrible place to raise kids. With the adults killing each other over their fucking fundamentalism the children dont have a snowballs chance in hell. I wish I could take them all out of there and let these people tear each other apart.

Alas, hatred is an acquired taste.

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:32:46am

re: #57 Filala

But the Gazans support these people when they try to kill Israelis.

And handed out candy on 9/11.

61 Filala  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:35:12am

And they teach their children to hate Jews, Christians, Hindus, in other words anyone who doesn’t believe like them.

62 gregb  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:35:31am

There’s a police abbreviation in Los Angeles about gang on gang violence that seems somehow approprirate here. I won’t repeat it as it’s extremely racist and condescending.

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:36:16am

re: #57 Filala

But the Gazans support these people when they try to kill Israelis.

Being raised in a nuthouse makes you crazy, unfortunately.

64 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:36:41am

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

Hamas will have to be skins. The fundamentalists don’t show skin.

What a nightmare. Couldn’t we just invent a ray that turns everyone who’s not crazy in Gaza purple or something, evacuate them, and then just saw the whole thing off and let it float away on its own power?

Could we turn that ray on Congresscritters? Oh wait… that’d be most of them anyhow…

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:37:00am

re: #62 gregb

There’s a police abbreviation in Los Angeles about gang on gang violence that seems somehow approprirate here. I won’t repeat it as it’s extremely racist and condescending.

Yeah, if it’s the one I know, don’t repeat it. Thanks!

66 Flyovercountry  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:37:27am

re: #56 MJ

Just took a gander over at terror apologist Juan Cole site and noticed he didn’t write a word about this on his blog.

Why would he, it doesn’t fit his template. Arabs killing Arabs is considered acceptable. The world holds Israel under a different microscope. The template says that 12 million Jews are oppressing 1.2 Billion Arabs by occupying a tiny sliver of land with no natural resources whatsoever. This little piece of land somehow constitutes a land grab, and must be prosperous due to some kind of chicanery. The Arabs have been able to make themselves the victims in all of this because those in the media want it to be so. If anyone has a better explanation, I would love to understand it.

67 SurferDoc  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:39:25am

re: #66 Flyovercountry

There is no better explanation. You said it all. Upding!

68 Filala  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:39:26am

re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist

Agreed that they are nuts in our eyes, unfortunatelly they have total belief in their rationality. I don’t think you can negotiate anything positive with them.

69 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:43:04am

re: #66 Flyovercountry

Why would he, it doesn’t fit his template. Arabs killing Arabs is considered acceptable. The world holds Israel under a different microscope. The template says that 12 million Jews are oppressing 1.2 Billion Arabs by occupying a tiny sliver of land with no natural resources whatsoever. This little piece of land somehow constitutes a land grab, and must be prosperous due to some kind of chicanery. The Arabs have been able to make themselves the victims in all of this because those in the media want it to be so. If anyone has a better explanation, I would love to understand it.

Right.
The media and the Left are only comfortable with Jews as victims.
Jews have no right to self-defense.

The frame that will occur here after the media realizes that they can’t bury this story is that Israel is still responsible since it’s the “occupying power” though Israel not not occupy one inch of Gaza.

70 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:43:24am
71 Coracle  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:44:22am

I have to say this concept is a genius move for AQ. if they could take over Gaza, the various sympathizer orgs that currently want to treat Hamas as a party that can be negotiated with would immediately start thinking of AQ the same way.

72 Coracle  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:46:42am

re: #70 Kohenan The Barbarian

However much I might share some of your sentiment, the term “sandmonkey” is racist.

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:47:26am

re: #69 MJ

Right.
The media and the Left are only comfortable with Jews as victims.
Jews have no right to self-defense.

The frame that will occur here after the media realizes that they can’t bury this story is that Israel is still responsible since it’s the “occupying power” though Israel not not occupy one inch of Gaza.

Alan Dershowitz comments that an unfortunate number of people seem to believe that ‘human rights’ includes the right to kill Jews.

It also includes the right to kill Arabs, but only if you yourself are an Arab.

74 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:48:08am

re: #72 Coracle

God DAMN Charles is quick!

75 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:48:20am

Re-post from the thread below:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Sorry about the typos in that post - was too upset to PIMF.

76 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:48:44am

“The disclosure that a Syrian national was among the dead contradicts earlier claims by Ismail Haniya, who heads Gaza’s Hamas government, that there were no non-Palestinian fighters in Gaza…”

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]


Nothing happens in Syria without Assad knowing about it.

So how will the US “punish” Syria?

Why, by sending them a new US Ambassador, of course!

77 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:49:07am

re: #70 Kohenan The Barbarian

You just lost your account.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:49:13am

re: #75 yma o hyd

Re-post from the thread below:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Sorry about the typos in that post - was too upset to PIMF.

May their memories be for a blessing, and may Mr. Yon continue to be safe. A tragedy.

79 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:50:12am

Hola, y OT:

Warm up the flying pig. The New York Times actually has a front-page story today, casting in a favorable light a Harlem business owner who successfully protected himself and his employees from armed robbers, with the aid of some Winchester pump-action deadly force.

80 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:50:57am

re: #69 MJ

The media is only comfortable with playing up the news for what it perceives as “victims” of tragedy x,y or z. Add leftist slant and there are no victims of anything leftist/communist/socialist etc, toss in a pinch or so of influence from middle eastern oil money and some antisemitism etc and there’s a recipe for modern news coverage of Israel.

81 voirdire  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:51:17am

Beware fauxtoshopped prayer bumps.

82 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:51:40am

re: #75 yma o hyd

Re-post from the thread below:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Sorry about the typos in that post - was too upset to PIMF.

That is awful news.

We are humbled by their sacrifice.

83 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:52:38am

Terrorist on terrorist terror.

Al jazzeera is terrorvision

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:53:07am

re: #80 anotherindyfilmguy

The media is only comfortable with playing up the news for what it perceives as “victims” of tragedy x,y or z. Add leftist slant and there are no victims of anything leftist/communist/socialist etc, toss in a pinch or so of influence from middle eastern oil money and some antisemitism etc and there’s a recipe for modern news coverage of Israel.

I wish I thought it was more complicated than that. ;)

85 Perplexed  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:53:22am

re: #79 Occasional Reader

Hola, y OT:

Warm up the flying pig. The New York Times actually has a front-page story today, casting in a favorable light a Harlem business owner who successfully protected himself and his employees from armed robbers, with the aid of some Winchester pump-action deadly force.

Two dead and two wounded. Right around the corner from a police station and the thugs pistol whipped at least one employee. Good shooting and expect the lawsuits in 3…2…1.

Tap tap tap. Sympathy meter isn’t moving off of zero for some reason. Anyone else having that problem with their sympathy meter?

86 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:53:32am

re: #81 voirdire

Beware fauxtoshopped prayer bumps.

Hmmm, a business for Gaza, stick on prayer bumps, look all holy in 10 seconds!

87 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:54:15am

re: #86 jcm

Hmmm, a business for Gaza, stick on prayer bumps, look all holy in 10 seconds!

Just use a rubber mallet.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:54:36am

re: #86 jcm

Hmmm, a business for Gaza, stick on prayer bumps, look all holy in 10 seconds!

Pulls girls, makes your grandma proud, opens doors to new employment…

89 Perplexed  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:54:43am

re: #86 jcm

Hmmm, a business for Gaza, stick on prayer bumps, look all holy in 10 seconds!

That’s funny in sort of a sick way.

90 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:54:51am

Bioengineers are working on a plant that reduces salinity in the soil, which would allow land that is currently too salty to produce any good crops to be reclaimed.

We need to discover the social version of this plant, so that a culture of life can grow in Gaza again.

91 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:55:31am

re: #85 Perplexed

Two dead and two wounded. Right around the corner from a police station and the thugs pistol whipped at least one employee. Good shooting and expect the lawsuits in 3…2…1.

Tap tap tap. Sympathy meter isn’t moving off of zero for some reason. Anyone else having that problem with their sympathy meter?

Hell, no trouble with mine at all, since it isn’t even switched on.

Good shooting, Mr. Augusto. You did your community a big favor, while exercising your 2nd Amendment rights, and your natural right to self-defense.

92 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:55:47am

re: #89 Perplexed

That’s funny in sort of a sick way.

Too many years on the FD, sick humor goes with the territory…

93 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:56:19am

re: #86 jcm

“Shovel ready” work…

94 Flyovercountry  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:56:56am

re: #80 anotherindyfilmguy

The media is only comfortable with playing up the news for what it perceives as “victims” of tragedy x,y or z. Add leftist slant and there are no victims of anything leftist/communist/socialist etc, toss in a pinch or so of influence from middle eastern oil money and some antisemitism etc and there’s a recipe for modern news coverage of Israel.

My absolute favorite was a link from right here on LGF. The massacre of Jenin. The news media nearly trampled themselves to get footage on live T.V. only to have their own helicopters scare the living daylights out of the, “victims,” who began to miraculously run from their stretchers. All of this happened on one of those cable news shows, while some, “victims,” were discussing the atrocities of the IDF. 20 minutes later of course, it was a memory to the msm.

95 RainDog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:56:59am

re: #15 Charles

A photo of the dear dead leader. Notice the enormous prayer bump on his forehead.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

Rug burns on his forehead, huh? I’ve had rug burns on my knees, and they sure as heck weren’t from praying!

96 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:57:10am

re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar

The kids would love that-charge a little for both parties involved and mop up afterwards…

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:58:17am

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Hell, no trouble with mine at all, since it isn’t even switched on.

Good shooting, Mr. Augusto. You did your community a big favor, while exercising your 2nd Amendment rights, and your natural right to self-defense.

You do what you need to do. Sounds like a straight-up guy.

98 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:58:21am

re: #83 swamprat

Terrorist on terrorist terror.

Al jazzeera is terrorvision

Smell-0-vision…I can smell it from here

99 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:59:14am

re: #52 Cannadian Club Akbar

And then Hillary will angrily remind us that she is the Secretary of State.

FIFY

100 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:59:39am

I finally found something I can agree with that Saeb Erekat said:


Fatah official Saeb Erekat was quick to comment on the developments, saying “Gaza is going down the drain in chaos and lawlessness.”


And, oh, by the way,

Also Saturday, Hamas said it was investigating the launching of 11 homemade rockets from Gaza into Egypt. Only five of the rockets detonated, injuring a young girl, according to Egyptian security forces.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

101 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:59:40am

re: #91 Occasional Reader

Hell, no trouble with mine at all, since it isn’t even switched on.

Good shooting, Mr. Augusto. You did your community a big favor, while exercising your 2nd Amendment rights, and your natural right to self-defense.

DING! DING!

Went to my local shop & range yesterday, ammo stocks other .223 and .22 were low. Firearms stocks up slightly, rented a Kimber and fired 50 rounds (my next is a Kimber), put 50 each through my Sig and S&W and walked out with a Mossberg 590A1, place was busy, busy, with a number of new employees.

102 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 10:59:53am

re: #82 Occasional Reader

It is another sad day for our lads.
I was apprehensive when the news first came. They never give out the names until after the families have been informed - but they do say which unit the fallen soldiers are from - and I knew that was the one Michael Yon was embedded with.
We’ve all seen his marvellous photos, from the dispatches Charles links as threads here. I was hoping they had been safe - but no.

It is dangerous territory there, and using two bombs is something the Taleban has been doing for some time.
But what soldier would leave his wounded comrade lying there, without helping him! So they all paid the ultimate sacrifice.

Am praying for the safety of all of them - and that Michael Yon is going to be extra-doubly-trebly careful!

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:00:10am

re: #95 RainDog

Rug burns on his forehead, huh? I’ve had rug burns on my knees, and they sure as heck weren’t from praying!

But where you yelling “Oh,God!”?

104 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:00:20am

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

You do what you need to do. Sounds like a straight-up guy.

I’m really stunned the NYT pretty unambiguously casts this man as a hero, without any “… only furthers the cycle of violence” anti-gun crap thrown in.

105 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:00:48am

re: #104 Occasional Reader

I’m really stunned the NYT pretty unambiguously casts this man as a hero, without any “… only furthers the cycle of violence” anti-gun crap thrown in.

Good on them for it.

106 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:01:55am

re: #101 jcm

DING! DING!

Went to my local shop & range yesterday, ammo stocks other .223 and .22 were low. Firearms stocks up slightly, rented a Kimber and fired 50 rounds (my next is a Kimber), put 50 each through my Sig and S&W and walked out with a Mossberg 590A1, place was busy, busy, with a number of new employees.

You have to be a truly special, hyper-intelligent, near-godlike human being to have both a Kimber pistol, and a Mossberg 590 model shotgun.

But I may be just a wee bit biased.

107 Desert Dog  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:02:38am

re: #101 jcm

DING! DING!

Went to my local shop & range yesterday, ammo stocks other .223 and .22 were low. Firearms stocks up slightly, rented a Kimber and fired 50 rounds (my next is a Kimber), put 50 each through my Sig and S&W and walked out with a Mossberg 590A1, place was busy, busy, with a number of new employees.

What are you “hunting” with that shotgun???

108 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:03:19am

re: #102 yma o hyd

But what soldier would leave his wounded comrade lying there, without helping him! So they all paid the ultimate sacrifice.

That is the kind of behavior that most people who have never served cannot understand (I merely strive to). That level of duty, honor, sacrifice. Where do we find such people?

109 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:03:23am

re: #106 Occasional Reader

You have to be a truly special, hyper-intelligent, near-godlike human being to have both a Kimber pistol, and a Mossberg 590 model shotgun.

But I may be just a wee bit biased.

I don’t have the Kimber yet… need to restock the gun kitty… next year or if corporate turns bonuses back on!

110 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:03:44am

re: #100 MJ

I finally found something I can agree with that Saeb Erekat said:

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Gawd!
Thats what happens if you teach your children only hate and the Qur’an in school: they have no idea of geography, nor in which direction they ought to fire those rockets …

(Sorry, I find this second story highly amusing. I know I’m truly bad … but can’t help meself … )

111 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:05:17am

re: #107 Desert Dog

What are you “hunting” with that shotgun???

It’s more for the Mrs., point and click interface…

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:06:41am

re: #108 Occasional Reader

That is the kind of behavior that most people who have never served cannot understand (I merely strive to). That level of duty, honor, sacrifice. Where do we find such people?

Weirdly enough, they keep turning up in perfectly ordinary places.

Is there a kind of wistful, awe-struck equivalent of the snark tag?

113 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:06:44am

re: #109 jcm

I don’t have the Kimber yet… need to restock the gun kitty… next year or if corporate turns bonuses back on!

Did someone say “gun kitty”?

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:07:45am

re: #109 jcm

I don’t have the Kimber yet… need to restock the gun kitty… next year or if corporate turns bonuses back on!

They’ve been talking about bringing back the gun club at the school I work at. Maybe I’ll tag along with them this year.

115 yma o hyd  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:07:50am

re: #108 Occasional Reader

That is the kind of behavior that most people who have never served cannot understand (I merely strive to). That level of duty, honor, sacrifice. Where do we find such people?

I think they are all round us - what they need is the proper training, in everything, not just shooting, that the Armed Forces provide.
These lads, after all, are of the same generation whose other members are hanging about in pubs and get violently drunk every weekend.

I think they all have got it - but it needs bringing out, the Army way.

116 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:08:24am

re: #111 jcm

It’s more for the Mrs., point and click interface…

I like that A1; but had to go with the regular 590. DC requires minimum 20” barrel; and at least at the time I bought it, had to be a fixed stock (I don’t know if the latter has changed post-Heller).

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:09:07am

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

They’ve been talking about bringing back the gun club at the school I work at. Maybe I’ll tag along with them this year.

They’re tearing down an old Junior high/middle school near me. A gal I know who went there told me there used to be a shooting range in the basement. She thinks she was the last class that was allowed to use it.

Could you imagine trying to put a gun range in a school now?

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:11:18am

re: #117 Emmmieg

They’re tearing down an old Junior high/middle school near me. A gal I know who went there told me there used to be a shooting range in the basement. She thinks she was the last class that was allowed to use it.

Could you imagine trying to put a gun range in a school now?

No. Actually, we used to have a ‘gun range’, which one of the priests made out of old mattresses and stuff in the basement. If the gun club starts up again, we will be going to a proper shooting range in town. ;)

“There were no such thing as ‘safety’ when I were a lad.”

—Bert Baxter

119 sonofsheldon  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:11:23am

The Detroit Free Press referred to this insane terrorist episode as a mere “altercation,” you know, kind of like a bar fight.

120 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:11:52am

The Palestinian Terrorists, yes… they are Terrorists, never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. May both side lose. I would like to congratulate my son (Little Truck Monkey) on his Bar Mitzvah today. Momma Monkey and I are overflowing with pride.

121 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:11:58am

Memo to Nike…I bought your cool black sandals…Great idea…A wrap over sandal design with Velco…You set yhem once and it’s a perfect sandal fit..And to make things better they have tread like Goodyear tires on the bottom..Like a real all weather tire…Great work..Cool wicked graphics on the sandals…The swoosh is wicked bad…One little thing…Are you listening Nike?
You put tire tread under the feet…Is that the stupidest idea of all time?
Take a tire…cut it up and walk on the tread for more than 2 minutes…It freaking hurts!
What makes it worse is knowing that the guy that designed this really expensive sandal is Vacationing in the Hamptons in some kind of castle or something…

122 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:12:08am

re: #119 sonofsheldon

The Detroit Free Press referred to this insane terrorist episode as a mere “altercation,” you know, kind of like a bar fight.

So that’s how he got that bump. Get it in a bar brawl, blame it on prayer.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:12:18am

re: #119 sonofsheldon

The Detroit Free Press referred to this insane terrorist episode as a mere “altercation,” you know, kind of like a bar fight.

Well, it is an altercation.

Similarly, the Titanic was a boating accident.

124 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:12:31am

re: #119 sonofsheldon

The Detroit Free Press referred to this insane terrorist episode as a mere “altercation,” you know, kind of like a bar fight.

And yet, when a Jew in Hebron adds an extra bedroom to his house, it’s a crime against humanity. But you knew that.

125 Flyovercountry  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:13:08am

re: #120 Truck Monkey

Mahzeltoff.

126 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:14:49am

So right now I’m checking LGF from time to time; I have NPR’s “The Splendid Table” on the radio; and I’m about to clean my Kimber. I enjoy being hard to peg demographically.

127 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:15:12am

re: #120 Truck Monkey

The Palestinian Terrorists, yes… they are Terrorists, never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. May both side lose. I would like to congratulate my son (Little Truck Monkey) on his Bar Mitzvah today. Momma Monkey and I are overflowing with pride.

Mazal tov to LTM, and his family.

I see he’s reading Re’eh. May he, and all of us always be mindful of its words and “…do what is good and right in the eyes of God.”

Are you having people over after the oneg?

128 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:15:18am

Bollywood star Shah Rukh Khan held at Newark Airport; claims racial profiling due to Muslim name

A Bollywood superstar cited as one of the world’s 50 most influential men claims he was racially profiled by security at Newark Airport.

“I was really being hassled, perhaps because of my name being Khan,” actor Shah Rukh Khan charged Saturday, a day after he was detained for two hours.

…
He recently signed a deal with Fox Star Studios to finance and distribute his new movie, “My Name is Khan” - the story of a Muslim man mistaken for a terrorist in post-9/11 America.

129 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:16:01am

re: #126 Occasional Reader

So right now I’m checking LGF from time to time; I have NPR’s “The Splendid Table” on the radio; and I’m about to clean my Kimber. I enjoy being hard to peg demographically.

Ain’t it fun?

130 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:16:32am

re: #128 Killgore Trout

Bollywood star Shah Rukh Khan held at Newark Airport; claims racial profiling due to Muslim name

He recently signed a deal with Fox Star Studios to finance and distribute his new movie, “My Name is Khan” - the story of a Muslim man mistaken for a terrorist in post-9/11 America.

Oh, the irony.

131 Truck Monkey  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:16:33am

re: #127 SanFranciscoZionist

Mazal tov to LTM, and his family.

I see he’s reading Re’eh. May he, and all of us always be mindful of its words and “…do what is good and right in the eyes of God.”

Are you having people over after the oneg?

They are here now. Gotta go. I am grateful his Grandmother could be here with us and so many, many out of town guests.

132 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:18:01am

re: #130 MandyManners

He always under death threats and fatwas for offending Muslims in India. He’s a moderate Muslim, married to a Hindu.

133 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:18:38am

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

No. Actually, we used to have a ‘gun range’, which one of the priests made out of old mattresses and stuff in the basement. If the gun club starts up again, we will be going to a proper shooting range in town. ;)

“There were no such thing as ‘safety’ when I were a lad.”

—Bert Baxter

I can remember the high school juniors and seniors of the gun club hanging their rifles in their lockers.

134 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:19:23am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Let’s boogie, Bollywood-style.


Youtube Video
135 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:19:39am

I wake up this morning and check my email to find several dozen messages, all with the same subject line. Open them up and they’re all the same email, but mailed from Muslim countries all over the world from different senders — apparently some kind of coordinated intimidation campaign whereby each was supplied with the English-language text to copy and paste and send to me. They all read as follows:

—-

Subject: you all are bastard
From: Tahir Taous [/Aftab Ahmed/etc.]

You are bloody bastards and you do these shameless activities and says that this is `freedom this is not freedom of expression this is vulgarity and you all vulgarian are dogs,mother fuckers.You shameless people sell your sisters,daughters,mothers,wives and every body fuck them you also fuck them and call it freedom .
What do you think this vulgarism can stop all Muslims to Love our Beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.No we all Muslims used to love our Beloved Prophet ,we love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him and Insha Allah we will love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him .
You are interested in freedom of expression and soon we you will get the reply as before we Muslims did.We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

From :

Muslims

—-

136 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:19:44am

re: #120 Truck Monkey

The Palestinian Terrorists, yes… they are Terrorists, never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. May both side lose. I would like to congratulate my son (Little Truck Monkey) on his Bar Mitzvah today. Momma Monkey and I are overflowing with pride.

lox and bagels for the whole board?

137 saberry0530  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:20:25am

re: #87 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just use a rubber mallet32 oz ball peen.

FTFY

138 _RememberTonyC  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:20:44am

re: #135 zombie

I wake up this morning and check my email to find several dozen messages, all with the same subject line. Open them up and they’re all the same email, but mailed from Muslim countries all over the world from different senders — apparently some kind of coordinated intimidation campaign whereby each was supplied with the English-language text to copy and paste and send to me. They all read as follows:

—-

Subject: you all are bastard
From: Tahir Taous [/Aftab Ahmed/etc.]

You are bloody bastards and you do these shameless activities and says that this is `freedom this is not freedom of expression this is vulgarity and you all vulgarian are dogs,mother fuckers.You shameless people sell your sisters,daughters,mothers,wives and every body fuck them you also fuck them and call it freedom .
What do you think this vulgarism can stop all Muslims to Love our Beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.No we all Muslims used to love our Beloved Prophet ,we love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him and Insha Allah we will love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him .
You are interested in freedom of expression and soon we you will get the reply as before we Muslims did.We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

From :

Muslims

—-

“all of your illiterate emails are belong to us”

139 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:21:01am

re: #135 zombie

We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

Instant Classic!

140 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:22:45am

re: #134 MandyManners

I still love that clip after all this time.

141 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:23:01am

re: #135 zombie

We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

Islam is Communism on acid.

142 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:23:24am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

I still love that clip after all this time.

You posted it first, didn’t you?

143 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:24:48am

Morning all. Can’t decide if I want to catch up here or nuke a Jimmy Dean’s… well… I’ve got some Tapatio to spice up the sandwich so I’ll brb.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:25:46am

re: #133 jcm

I can remember the high school juniors and seniors of the gun club hanging their rifles in their lockers.

My dad was Civil Air Patrol as a teenager. They did that.

Me, I’m just as glad my kids aren’t armed. ;)

145 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:26:27am

re: #143 Locker

Morning all. Can’t decide if I want to catch up here or nuke a Jimmy Dean’s… well… I’ve got some Tapatio to spice up the sandwich so I’ll brb.

I put some Tapatio on my country scramble this morning… yummm

146 Flyovercountry  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:26:44am

re: #135 zombie

I wake up this morning and check my email to find several dozen messages, all with the same subject line. Open them up and they’re all the same email, but mailed from Muslim countries all over the world from different senders — apparently some kind of coordinated intimidation campaign whereby each was supplied with the English-language text to copy and paste and send to me. They all read as follows:

—-

Subject: you all are bastard
From: Tahir Taous [/Aftab Ahmed/etc.]

You are bloody bastards and you do these shameless activities and says that this is `freedom this is not freedom of expression this is vulgarity and you all vulgarian are dogs,mother fuckers.You shameless people sell your sisters,daughters,mothers,wives and every body fuck them you also fuck them and call it freedom .
What do you think this vulgarism can stop all Muslims to Love our Beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.No we all Muslims used to love our Beloved Prophet ,we love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him and Insha Allah we will love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him .
You are interested in freedom of expression and soon we you will get the reply as before we Muslims did.We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

From :

Muslims

—-

Wow! I have a headache reading this. Maybe they should spend all of that U.S. aid on education.

147 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:28:14am

re: #135 zombie

You are interested in freedom of expression and soon we you will get the reply as before we Muslims did.We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

I read that as a threat of violence.

148 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:28:35am

re: #139 wrenchwench

Instant Classic!

Yeah, but I think the implication is that I’m supposed to get the message that they’re coming to slit my throat or something.

It’s absolutely amazing how nonstop the outrage the Archive generates continuously from the first day I put it online. It’s like one of the major growth industries int he Muslim world is “sitting around in Internet cafes sending hate mail and death threats to the Mohammed Image Archive,” while the more sophisticated “workers” either try to hack into my account and find out where I live or initiate DDOS attacks on my server.

So far, the only successful “attack” came when a cell in Turkey threatened to blow up the server farm where the computer which was physically hosting the Archive was located (in Texas, apparently). That actually got results (for a while, at least) — I was ordered to take the site down to ensure the safety of the employees in the building. (I temporarily had to move it elsewhere.) But things settled down and now it’s back to normal.

For now at least. Who knows what they have up their sleeves.

149 jcm  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:28:37am

re: #135 zombie

Freedom is messy.

Preferable, however messy, to dictated virtue.

150 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:28:40am

re: #142 MandyManners

You posted it first, didn’t you?

Probably. It’s been so long I don’t recall where I got it from.

151 horse  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:28:47am

If they really believed in stone age conditions they would be fighting with stone tipped spears and animal skin robes. With all the rubble in Gaza City they have plenty of raw material for the weapons.

152 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:29:07am

re: #110 yma o hyd


It’s a shame when terrorist argue.
Why can’t they just kill together?


We will kill the jews and rule.

No! We will kill the jews and rule!

We were killing jews and stealing from Palestine, when you were still a glint in your uncles’ eye!

Infidel! We were killing jews more than you know!

Your jew killing money comes from russia, who invaded Afganistan!

Well your jew killing money comes from the infidel, American-loving, corrupt Saudi’s!

Go up to the roof!

Oh no, you go up to the roof!

153 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:29:33am

re: #147 MJ

I read that as a threat of violence.

I do as well.

My only defense is anonymity.

154 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:31:43am

re: #148 zombie

Yeah, but I think the implication is that I’m supposed to get the message that they’re coming to slit my throat or something.

Good thing you’re already dead.

Seriously, though, stay safe and anonymous!

155 alexknyc  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:33:02am

re: #135 zombie

We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

Nominated for rotating title?

156 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:33:57am

Amazing some massive mystery explosion didn’t take out everybody involved. Munitions stockpiled in the basement.

157 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:34:35am

re: #153 zombie

My only defense is anonymity.

It needn’t be. Did you seem jcm’s 590(A1) link upthread?

Just sayin’.

158 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:34:49am

Testing…

159 saberry0530  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:35:20am

re: #158 Charles

Testing…

SHIT Pop quiz and I didn’t even study!

160 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:35:43am

re: #148 zombie


It’s absolutely amazing how nonstop the outrage the Archive generates continuously from the first day I put it online. It’s like one of the major growth industries int he Muslim world is “sitting around in Internet cafes sending hate mail and death threats to the Mohammed Image Archive,” while the more sophisticated “workers” either try to hack into my account and find out where I live or initiate DDOS attacks on my server.

Ok so I’m new and I don’t really know about the Mohammed Image Archive but I do see “nice post again zombie” so I’m interested. This may require me to leave the liberal play book but I would be very interested in this site if it does exist.

My memory is going back to the uproar about the Danish Mohammed Cartoons. Now I may normally strive for peace and understanding but I am very attached to the first amendment rights I enjoy here in the United States. The very first thought I had when I saw all these whack jobs chanting for death over some cartoon was:

“Good! We ought to fill our US pages, papers, magazines and galleries with as much of this stuff as possible. Fuck them. Fuck their bullshit. I can paint a picture of Mohammed sucking my left nut if I want to and you can do FUCK ALL about it!”

Ok so I got that out of my system, it was a nasty flashback. If there is a site which basically says “fuck you” to these whackos by putting up and storing mohammad images I’m all for it. Sign me up.

161 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:37:25am

re: #133 jcm

I can remember the high school juniors and seniors of the gun club hanging their rifles in their lockers.

we only had archery, but plenty of guns in pickup window racks depending on season. no more.

162 Danny  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:38:11am

Like a pit of vipers.

163 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:38:20am

re: #159 saberry0530

SHIT Pop quiz and I didn’t even study!

Well, at least you’re not the only one in underwear.

164 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:38:50am

re: #135 zombie

Subject: you all are bastard
From: Tahir Taous [/Aftab Ahmed/etc.]

You are bloody bastards and you do these shameless activities and says that this is `freedom this is not freedom of expression this is vulgarity and you all vulgarian are dogs,mother fuckers.You shameless people sell your sisters,daughters,mothers,wives and every body fuck them you also fuck them and call it freedom .
What do you think this vulgarism can stop all Muslims to Love our Beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.No we all Muslims used to love our Beloved Prophet ,we love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him and Insha Allah we will love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him .
You are interested in freedom of expression and soon we you will get the reply as before we Muslims did.We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

From :

Muslims

Response:
Subject: You
TO: Tahir Taous [/Aftab Ahmed/etc.]

Go fuck a goat and watch this:

Youtube Video
165 saberry0530  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:39:12am

re: #163 MandyManners

How’d ya know that?? You tapped into that web cam??

///

166 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:40:07am

I, for one, deplore the disproportionate response by Hamas, and I know the U.N. and Amnesty International will issue the appropriate condemnations.

167 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:40:30am

Testing again…

168 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:41:40am

re: #135 zombie

I wake up this morning and check my email to find several dozen messages, all with the same subject line. Open them up and they’re all the same email, but mailed from Muslim countries all over the world from different senders — apparently some kind of coordinated intimidation campaign whereby each was supplied with the English-language text to copy and paste and send to me. They all read as follows:

—-

Subject: you all are bastard
From: Tahir Taous [/Aftab Ahmed/etc.]

You are bloody bastards and you do these shameless activities and says that this is `freedom this is not freedom of expression this is vulgarity and you all vulgarian are dogs,mother fuckers.You shameless people sell your sisters,daughters,mothers,wives and every body fuck them you also fuck them and call it freedom .
What do you think this vulgarism can stop all Muslims to Love our Beloved Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.No we all Muslims used to love our Beloved Prophet ,we love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him and Insha Allah we will love Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him .
You are interested in freedom of expression and soon we you will get the reply as before we Muslims did.We will tell you what is freedom of expression.

From :

Muslims

—-

This spamhate has interesting psychological dimensions. The reality in some Muslim countries is that they do in fact sell women into marriage/slavery. They do in fact sell boys into catamite-slavery. And somewhere deep down this has to grate. The seller must be ashamed. The shame must radiate outward and weigh on every man in the country.

To ease the pain of this shame, the best folk remedy is to curse others, claiming that they’re worse yet. Absolution through comparative cleanliness.

Zombie, you’ve documented some shameful displays here in the U.S., but what you’ve documented is hardly mainstream, and documenting it is a far different thing from endorsing it.

One never knows whether these threats are empty. A few will not be. But as a follower of the career of Osama bin Laden once remarked, what does it gain us if we take down two of your towers, and you take down two of our nations?

These guys are losers, and they’re going to lose the worse for every threat they do manage to make good on.

169 brookly red  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:44:38am

re: #166 swamprat

I, for one, deplore the disproportionate response by Hamas, and I know the U.N. and Amnesty International will issue the appropriate condemnations.

Ooh your right, this is a problem for the UN. Maybe they will have their own in-fighting over which terrorists to support.

170 horse  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:45:24am

LOL, Locker, what are you doing? You don’t have to kiss up that much, just keep playing nice like you have been.

171 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:46:34am

re: #169 brookly red

Ooh your right, this is a problem for the UN. Maybe they will have their own in-fighting over which terrorists to support.


We need Jimmy Carter to go over there to promote a two-terror
solution.

172 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:47:38am

re: #170 horse

LOL, Locker, what are you doing? You don’t have to kiss up that much, just keep playing nice like you have been.

Don’t know man. You ever have an axe to grind? Something you carry around for a long time then something triggers it and “blam” out it comes. I’ve never said that out loud or in text before and it has pissed me off since it happened.

I really, really, really, REALLY hate someone telling me “you can’t say that, it offends me” and when thousands and thousands of rabid nutbags are screaming that they can and WILL kill me because I said something they don’t like, it pisses me off.

Like I said, nasty flashback and I’m glad it’s out. We’ll now return you to our regularly scheduled Locker.

173 Syrah  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:47:59am

re: #153 zombie

I do as well.

My only defense is anonymity.

(stands up)

I am Zombie.

(Many stand up)

We are all Zombie.

174 brookly red  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:48:14am

re: #171 swamprat

We need Jimmy Carter to go over there to promote a two-terror
solution.

It could just happen.

175 Red Pencil  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:48:52am

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Western-strip Semites are generally very fair. Look at the Lebanese. We tend to redheads more than anyone else in the Middle East.

Probably something to do with all the Normans (aka Vikings) who visited the region during the Crusades.

176 mili  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:49:02am

Moderate must stand for moderately crazy when speaking of allah inspired terrorism.

177 Scion9  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:50:19am

re: #160 Locker

[Link: zombietime.com…]

178 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:50:45am

re: #177 Scion9

Good looking out! Thank you Scion9.

179 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:52:29am

re: #157 Occasional Reader

It needn’t be. Did you seem jcm’s 590(A1) link upthread?

Just sayin’.

I’m just not a gun person — sorry.

If you actually visualize real-type scenarios of what might happen to me or my family — the fact of me having a giant gun somewhere in my house isn’t going to do a lick of good. It’s just a power fantasy to make owners feel safe and confident, but 99.99% of the time, if an Islamic hit squad is coming to get your family in real reality, it’s not like you can just stand there on your front porch blasting away at strangers on the presumption they are assassins.

180 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:53:23am

re: #164 VegasRick

Then go outside and wave your ak47 at the cute little airplane buzzing overhead. Don’t see one? Trust me, it’s there.

181 spidly  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:55:17am

re: #134 MandyManners

Let’s boogie, Bollywood-style.

[Video]

you can watch it on the big screen when you go for your hip replacement.
I recommend Egri Bikavér if you’re in Hungary for your dental

182 VegasRick  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:55:34am

re: #180 itellu3times

Then go outside and wave your ak47 at the cute little airplane buzzing overhead. Don’t see one? Trust me, it’s there.

They are scared shitless of the drones (I don’t blame them).

183 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:56:35am

re: #179 zombie

I’m just not a gun person — sorry.

If you actually visualize real-type scenarios of what might happen to me or my family — the fact of me having a giant gun somewhere in my house isn’t going to do a lick of good. It’s just a power fantasy to make owners feel safe and confident, but 99.99% of the time, if an Islamic hit squad is coming to get your family in real reality, it’s not like you can just stand there on your front porch blasting away at strangers on the presumption they are assassins.

I would gently suggest that you have an overly-simplified mental picture of realistic self-defense scenarios.

Of course, nothing can protect you from someone shooting you in the back when you’re walking down the street.

But trying to hit you in your home? Simple question: Would you rather have the firearm in that scenario, or not?

184 Flyovercountry  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:57:20am

re: #179 zombie

I’m just not a gun person — sorry.

If you actually visualize real-type scenarios of what might happen to me or my family — the fact of me having a giant gun somewhere in my house isn’t going to do a lick of good. It’s just a power fantasy to make owners feel safe and confident, but 99.99% of the time, if an Islamic hit squad is coming to get your family in real reality, it’s not like you can just stand there on your front porch blasting away at strangers on the presumption they are assassins.


Claymoore mines might help.

185 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 11:58:18am

re: #160 Locker

Ok so I got that out of my system, it was a nasty flashback. If there is a site which basically says “fuck you” to these whackos by putting up and storing mohammad images I’m all for it. Sign me up.

Here you go:

Mohammed Image Archive

You can also easily find it because it is the thrid or fourth result on Google (depending on your settings) for the generic search term Mohammed:

Google results for “Mohammed”

Make sure you also check out the “Reader Response page” — your eyes will be opened.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:00:32pm

re: #175 Red Pencil

Probably something to do with all the Normans (aka Vikings) who visited the region during the Crusades.

Could be some of it, but I think it goes farther back, to generations of sea-traders. King David was traditionally said to be a redhead. You see it in North Africa as well.

187 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:00:55pm

re: #182 VegasRick

They are scared shitless of the drones (I don’t blame them).

And I love it, because they’ve brought the terror on themselves. And if they like the drones, just wait another couple of years when a dozen other little semiautonomous weapons get fielded. Every cockroach in Afghanistan will be networked in realtime and carrying two grams of C-4.

188 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:01:25pm

re: #185 zombie

Thank you very much sir for your efforts. I’m already browsing the site and enjoying myself very much. I’m not even distracted by the loud sound of your titanium balls clanking together. Good looking out man.

189 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:01:49pm

re: #172 Locker

Don’t know man. You ever have an axe to grind? Something you carry around for a long time then something triggers it and “blam” out it comes. I’ve never said that out loud or in text before and it has pissed me off since it happened.

I really, really, really, REALLY hate someone telling me “you can’t say that, it offends me” and when thousands and thousands of rabid nutbags are screaming that they can and WILL kill me because I said something they don’t like, it pisses me off.

Like I said, nasty flashback and I’m glad it’s out. We’ll now return you to our regularly scheduled Locker.

On the reader response page are many emails from left-wingers all over the world who feel EXACTLY like you do on this issue. I particularly like this from froma guy in Scotland:

—- —- —- —- —-
“From: Gnostic Dave

Brought up a Christian in Scotland, my freedoms have led me to question the “evidence” which every religion cites as their absolute. I mean everyone has their special book bleating on about “the truth”. I see the truth of God’s grace in nature, I feel his love and I believe organised religion has done more damage to people’s quest for this truth.

The demonisation of Islam is being driven by the American imperialistic plutocracy with the help of the illegal Zionist state and Britain. However after reading the intolerant and medieval tirade from most of the Muslims posting on your site, and seeing the BBC programme “What Young Muslims Think,” I suggest that we need to keep tabs on this, yet another evil and controlling religion. In the West we are going through a transition which is uncomfortable and will require people to develop self control and to search for their own spirituality. The evils of religion and crown have been beaten back to an extent over thousands of years of civic strife against a religious power base no one needs.

A warning to all Muslims! You may think we are all weak, but our freedoms were won with blood, and if you intend to force your version of “God’s Law” (your version from your wee book), then you can expect tolerant and peace-loving spiritualistic people like me to fucking hunt you!!”

190 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:02:37pm

re: #175 Red Pencil

Probably something to do with all the Normans (aka Vikings) who visited the region during the Crusades.

Didn’t the Aryans originate in mid-Asia somewhere back 10,000 years ago, before they even migrated up to northern Europe?

191 mili  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:02:41pm

re: #185 zombie

Mohammed is in Dante’s inferno.1st link.

192 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:03:10pm

re: #183 Occasional Reader

I would gently suggest that you have an overly-simplified mental picture of realistic self-defense scenarios.

Of course, nothing can protect you from someone shooting you in the back when you’re walking down the street.

But trying to hit you in your home? Simple question: Would you rather have the firearm in that scenario, or not?

Not.

193 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:05:04pm

re: #192 zombie

Not.

Not trying to pick a fight here, but: Why not?

You hear someone smashing in your front door with an axe, screaming Allah Akbar (or not); why would you not want the means to protect yourself and your loved ones?

194 Locker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:05:47pm

re: #189 zombie

On the reader response page are many emails from left-wingers all over the world who feel EXACTLY like you do on this issue. I particularly like this from froma guy in Scotland:

—- —- —- —- —-
“From: Gnostic Dave

A warning to all Muslims! You may think we are all weak, but our freedoms were won with blood, and if you intend to force your version of “God’s Law” (your version from your wee book), then you can expect tolerant and peace-loving spiritualistic people like me to fucking hunt you!!”

Ok this one made me laugh so hard I woke up my napping wife. For a minute I wanted to get this tattooed on my chest.

195 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:06:13pm

Well, ya got your Hamas. Ya got your Fatah. And now you have an Al-Qaeda francise trying to open an outlet in Palestine.

I deplore the large corporate attempted takeover of the local community!

Big Terror is ripping us off!

You know the taliban will be coming; it’s like Home Depot and Lowes.

Like shoe stores in mall, but at least the people of palestine have a choice.

Al-Qaeda kills more jews, but Fatah steals less.
I like the Hamas uniforms
Really? Wait till you see what the Taliban has!
Any benny’s?
One of them is promising 3 extra virgins.
I meant, you know, sick leave, or something.
That’s a good one! You crack me up.

196 Earth56  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:06:26pm

re: #167 Charles

Testing again…

OK, the real correct answer is that there are 56 states and not 57

197 swamprat  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:08:59pm

re: #179 zombie

Pretty much feel the same, but when people tell me we need to give up gun rights, my hair stands up on my neck.

198 horse  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:11:43pm

re: #189 zombie

That man was truly Scottish. Peaceful socialist leanings until angered, then its time for a merry whipping of someone’s behind.

199 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:16:50pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

Not trying to pick a fight here, but: Why not?

You hear someone smashing in your front door with an axe, screaming Allah Akbar (or not); why would you not want the means to protect yourself and your loved ones?

Because that’s not how it would happen — no one is going to chop down my front door with an axe. It will either happen in public, or in my sleep, or in some other way in which a gun would not help me.

Look, there’s a 99% chance this is never going to happen — they’ll never find out where I live. And so in that case there is a 99% chance that I wouldn’t even need the gun. But I don’t want a gun in my home, period, especially if it’s there just for a 1% chance of something occurring.

Secondly, even in that 1% chance scenario, it’s extremely likely that the gun will be useless, because we will not be a in a gun-battle scenario.

The odds of the gun serving any real function other than making me “feel safe” are miniscule; the odds of the gun’s existence making me feel uncomfortable and nervous is very large. I opt not to have one.

If other people want to have guns - fine by me. I support the second amendment. I’m just not one of those people.

200 Samson  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:20:55pm

Just in case anyone was wondering how long it would take to blame Israel for this:

[Link: www.maannews.net…]

“Haniyeh described the group as one that took advantage of youth and infused them with “strange ideas” based on acting against so-called atheists in a violent way. In all ways, he added, this came about because of the Israeli siege on Gaza, and the war Israel perpetrated against the people of the Strip. He said the dire conditions fostered negative thinking in younger generations.”

He also said:

“Members of the group had worked against the government, described it as unreligious and armed themselves in opposition,” the de facto Prime Minister said at a conference on Saturday. “These were radicals who blew themselves up in the midst of security officers,” he said.

So, if I understand this correctly, it is OK to kill radicals who blow themselves up in the midst of security officers. I see…

201 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:21:06pm

You have to love this guys! True believers. Killing in a mosque…

202 Brooklyn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:22:53pm

I say we sell arms to whichever side is losing, switch sides as necessary, and then shoot the last survivor ourselves.

203 american sabra  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:23:29pm

re: #18 lawhawk

…Hamas doesn’t want competition either - so they’re killing off those who threaten their regime in Gaza.

Indeed and themselves in the process. If you’re still reading, I found this in the JPost article:

Hamas also confirmed the death in the fighting of one of its high level commanders, Izzadin al-Qassam Brigades commander Abu-Jibril Shimali, who is believed to have orchestrated the kidnapping three years ago of IDF soldier Gilad Schalit.

As far as I’m concerned, they can have at it. Let them eat each other instead of the rest of us. I’ll say a prayer.

204 american sabra  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:25:20pm

re: #200 Samson

The source of that article is just a wee tad bias.

205 Joshua Cohen  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:25:34pm

re: #202 Brooklyn

I say we sell arms to whichever side is losing, switch sides as necessary, and then shoot the last survivor ourselves.

I suggest providing them air support for cash would be better. Practice for our guys and well…these special effects.

206 mili  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:30:18pm

re: #200 Samson

Yep.If it had taken a longer time for blaming Israel on this,then we would have a flying pig ready to take off.

207 Brooklyn  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:31:29pm

re: #205 Joshua Cohen

I suggest providing them air support for cash would be better. Practice for our guys and well…these special effects.

Fine with me. What I really care about is the end result.

208 Occasional Reader  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:33:23pm

re: #199 zombie

Because that’s not how it would happen — no one is going to chop down my front door with an axe

Okay, I added that for dramatic effect. But if some pissed-off jihadist came for you at home (after somehow figuring out where you lived), there’s an excellent chance you would have SOME measure of warning, e.g., hearing a window break. While I agree that the chances of any jihadist attack against you are remote, if it were to happen, it’s not going to be some highly-trained hit teams dispatched from the Bekaa Valley. It’ll be some amateur jihadist. You’d have a realisitic chance of protecting yourself; unless, of course, you choose not to.

Anyway, of course it’s up to you, but I’d urge you to reconsider. No need to be “nervous” about having a firearm in the house, any more than there is about having, say, a chainsaw or other heavy power tool. It’s just a matter of learning how to use it safely, and keep it safe when not using it.

209 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 12:41:43pm

re: #199 zombie

Because that’s not how it would happen — no one is going to chop down my front door with an axe. It will either happen in public, or in my sleep, or in some other way in which a gun would not help me.

Look, there’s a 99% chance this is never going to happen — they’ll never find out where I live. And so in that case there is a 99% chance that I wouldn’t even need the gun. But I don’t want a gun in my home, period, especially if it’s there just for a 1% chance of something occurring.

Secondly, even in that 1% chance scenario, it’s extremely likely that the gun will be useless, because we will not be a in a gun-battle scenario.

The odds of the gun serving any real function other than making me “feel safe” are miniscule; the odds of the gun’s existence making me feel uncomfortable and nervous is very large. I opt not to have one.

If other people want to have guns - fine by me. I support the second amendment. I’m just not one of those people.

In the words of the late George Carlin, “What’s the meaning life…to LIVE!”

You have the guts to wade through the dregs of insanity and photograph it’s twisted face yet a GUN makes you nervous?!

210 debutaunt  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:25:23pm

re: #208 Occasional Reader

Okay, I added that for dramatic effect. But if some pissed-off jihadist came for you at home (after somehow figuring out where you lived), there’s an excellent chance you would have SOME measure of warning, e.g., hearing a window break. While I agree that the chances of any jihadist attack against you are remote, if it were to happen, it’s not going to be some highly-trained hit teams dispatched from the Bekaa Valley. It’ll be some amateur jihadist. You’d have a realisitic chance of protecting yourself; unless, of course, you choose not to.

Anyway, of course it’s up to you, but I’d urge you to reconsider. No need to be “nervous” about having a firearm in the house, any more than there is about having, say, a chainsaw or other heavy power tool. It’s just a matter of learning how to use it safely, and keep it safe when not using it.

Just tie up a goat in the foyer to distract them.

211 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:26:01pm

re: #208 Occasional Reader

No need to be “nervous” about having a firearm in the house, any more than there is about having, say, a chainsaw or other heavy power tool. It’s just a matter of learning how to use it safely, and keep it safe when not using it.

A chainsaw would indeed make me just as nervous. Perhaps even more nervous.

re: #209 Oh no…Sand People!

You have the guts to wade through the dregs of insanity and photograph it’s twisted face yet a GUN makes you nervous?!

Mechanical things capable of serious bodily harm simply make me nervous. I’m that way now, and I’ve always been that way. Sorry, nothing anyone says is gonna change me on this. It’s part of my personality.

212 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:26:01pm

re: #209 Oh no…Sand People!

In the words of the late George Carlin, “What’s the meaning life…to LIVE!”

You have the guts to wade through the dregs of insanity and photograph it’s twisted face yet a GUN makes you nervous?!


This is so unfair. Zombie may have reasons the most ardent gun supporter would understand. Think children in the home, think self-knowledge of vulnerability to the temptation a gun would represent, think sleep walker, think that there may be other reasons you haven’t thought of. Now—-consider this. There is no way Zombie can explain without compromising security.

You’ve just got to trust that he has his reasons, he’s thought it through, and he’s made a good decision based on information you don’t have.

213 Annar  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:32:46pm

I wish both sides a 100% success in the kill effort of their Gaza opposition.

214 FamHistoryGuy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:36:20pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

Ho Chi Minh sandals.

215 Seax  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:46:57pm

“even in that 1% chance scenario”…
Ahhh - the 1% chance scenario…as like in the unlikely
event of your aircraft failing etc etc?
I just like to say …just like a parachute,a gun
is just a tool…and if you really really really need one…and you haven’t..
well take it from me - it kind of really sucks…like really really badly…
but hey I’m cool for your choice and I will respect it.
But for me …I just hate that sucky feeling -as well as that falling feeling…LOL !
Just as an aside - I have a friend that also hasn’t got firearms in his house -just Longbows, swords ,knives and two huge dogs. Paranoid? He actually once grabbed his longbow to prepare to repel an invader (as he put it)…the ‘invader’ promptly left.
Well perhaps he is a teeny weeny bit paranoid perhaps…

216 zombie  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:55:30pm

re: #212 lostlakehiker

Thank you for that.

217 NY Nana  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 1:56:23pm

re: #121 HoosierHoops

‘Cool wicked graphics on the sandals’

Are you from Bahstahn Boston, by any chance? ;)

218 Enkidu90046  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 2:19:53pm

re: #10 MJ

Let’s play pretend:

Suppose Israel stormed a mosque and killed 21 and wounded over 125?

How would the UN behave?

How would Obama Behave?

How would the EU behave?

I think we all know the answer to that hypothetical… because it isn’t a hypothetical, unfortunately.

219 anotherindyfilmguy  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 2:22:05pm

re: #211 zombie

You could always pick a responsible mate with a CCL etc… Like someone in or ex law enforcement or someone who’s carried their whole adult lives etc. Mindset plus ability to defend in dealing with violence or threat of violence is often the difference in that sort of thing. Won’t stop you from being in the crosshairs or random shot in the back etc but could help stop a kidnapping attempt/buy time for more heavily armed responders etc.

Barring that get a door bar and window locks to make it harder and noisier to get into your place so you can have some tiny shred of warning and buy time etc.

Oh-and while it might not save you outright a loving pupster might give you adequate warning when you can’t them breaking in/sneaking up etc…

sigh…

220 Enkidu90046  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 2:49:10pm

re: #219 anotherindyfilmguy

I agree completely about the mind-set comment. Predators only prey on those they perceive to be weak. They posture with those that they don’t.

221 Robert Schwartz  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 2:57:12pm

Death Cult. If they can’t kill Israelis, they kill each other.

re: #218 Enkidu90046

I am not sure that came out like you wanted it to. Israel has never invaded a mosque, killed 25 Palestinians in one attack, nor wounded more than one hundred in one attack. So it really is a hypothetical.

222 quickjustice  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 3:02:36pm

Controlling Gaza is a gold mine. Whoever controls it reaps hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars in Western humanitarian aid. And they stir the pot by keeping the violence going.

If Gaza ever were to become peaceful, all Western aid would cease, and thousands of U.N. refugee camp workers would become unemployed.

223 Enkidu90046  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 3:14:54pm

re: #221 Robert Schwartz

Perhaps it didn’t come out quite right, but the point I wanted to make was that every time Israel takes justifiable military action against Islamist terrorists, the world gets its panties in a bunch and accuses Israel of war crimes despite the IDF’s attempts to minimize any collateral damage and scrupulous targeting of combatants only.

The disparate treatment in the media and the world isn’t just kissing the ROP’s ass, it is also outright anti-semitism. Alan Dershowitz was right… Israel is the “Jew among nations”.

224 mich-again  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 3:28:50pm

Its not like it was a big surprise that Al Qaeda set up shop in Gaza. This is from a couple years back. Hamas is giving al Qaeda foothold in Gaza: Abbas

“It is Hamas that is protecting al Qaeda, and through its bloody behavior Hamas has become very close to al Qaeda,” he told RAI. “That is why Gaza is in danger and needs help.”
225 MJ  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 3:37:19pm
…Hospital officials in Rafah said the dead included an 11-year-old girl and six Hamas policemen. About 150 people were wounded. By noon on Saturday, Rafah was calm after hours of gun battles…

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

I’m sure Human Rights Watch is working on their report at this very moment condemning the callous murder of an 11 year old Palestinian girl by Palestinian forces.

Oh wait, never mind. Ain’t gonna happen.

226 tradewind  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 4:52:32pm

re: #199 zombie

I understand your position completely, and I have a suggestion: Get a taser. A real one, not some phoney light show.
Seriously. You won’t kill anyone with it (barring very rare medical complications) and it is a good defensive weapon that does not require close-up contact.

227 Salamantis  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 6:42:26pm

Abdel-Latif Moussa: Hamas’ Sister Souljah? The confrontation to which they can point to claim moderate bona fides?

Doesn’t wash for me. They still train their children from the cradle to hate and murder Jews, and still demand the destruction of Israel in their founding charter.

228 Nekama  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:10:20pm

A win-win situation.
May they both win.

229 Salamantis  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:17:09pm

re: #18 lawhawk

It reminds me a bit of spy v. spy from Mad magazine, except these terrorists are busy killing each other for real.

Note too where and how they’re killing each other. They’re fighting each other in mosques, and firing off their suicide vests to maximize the carnage.

As Charles says, there’s no one to root for, but it also is a direct result of Hamas playing up its extremist roots and finding that there are Islamists who think they’re not violent enough or not sufficiently Islamist enough.

Hamas doesn’t want competition either - so they’re killing off those who threaten their regime in Gaza.

Some people, myself included, were hoping that the Gazan people would eventually get tired of the human cost of Hamas extremism and mount a grassroots moderate challenge to their dictatorial religiopolitical oppression.

Well, this is the answer we get.

A challenge to Hamas was indeed mounted; not from the more moderate, but from the even more extreme.

Stick a fork in them; they’re done. Over. Finished. And considering how they have institutionalized the brainwashing of their own children into fundamentalist hatred and violence, I see no chance for improvement there in the foreseeable future.

230 hanoch  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:21:58pm

So when can we expect enlightened world opinion (e.g., Human Rights Watch et al.) to go ballistic over the murder of innocent Palestinians and the desecration of a Muslim holy site? Or do they only get worked up when it is Israelis attempting to defend themselves?

231 Salamantis  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:25:29pm
“While unwilling to endorse the teachings of the middle-aged pediatrician…”

Rantisi, Habash, and now Moussa…

Why do they always seem to be pediatricians?

232 Gumlegs  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 7:51:52pm

I eagerly await the Human Rights Watch ringing denunciation of this atrocity.

233 Syrah  Sat, Aug 15, 2009 8:04:43pm

re: #232 Gumlegs

I eagerly await the Human Rights Watch ringing denunciation of this atrocity.

They will blame Israel for not intervening.

234 rumcrook  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 12:27:21am

sorry warriors of god, thiers only room for one batshit crazy group of evil homicidal thugs intent on ruling by fear and sadism in gaza, and they dont want competition…

235 rwielaard  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 12:43:00am

re: #11 MandyManners

Isn’t this a problem that be fixed with another handover of $5 billion?

236 Flavia  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:08:22am

Someone stick a microphone in Carter’s face & demand that he tell us once again how wonderful they are! Make him explain how it’s all da JOOOZ fault!

The sad thing is that he could probably do it.

The even sadder thing is that the rest of the world will nod their heads & lap it up.

Sigh.

237 Stevie the K  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:22:29am

Welcome to Palestine!

We totally deserve a state!

238 Flyovercountry  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 7:05:36am

re: #69 MJ

Right.
The media and the Left are only comfortable with Jews as victims.
Jews have no right to self-defense.

The frame that will occur here after the media realizes that they can’t bury this story is that Israel is still responsible since it’s the “occupying power” though Israel not not occupy one inch of Gaza.

Man did you call this right. It took the media about half the day to place the blame for this in Israel. Apparently, the Jews lack of administrative oversight is what allowed the disparate group of thugs to commit acts of violence against one another.

239 djranger  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 8:23:30am

Next up: Brothers of the nephews of the Soldiers of the Companions for God. Crimeny - where does it end?

240 Flavia  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:53:21am

re: #238 Flyovercountry

Man did you call this right. It took the media about half the day to place the blame for this in Israel. Apparently, the Jews lack of administrative oversight is what allowed the disparate group of thugs to commit acts of violence against one another.

And yet not one iota of irony at the insanity of calling for them to be given a state, all the while blaming Israel for not letting them run their own affairs, will permeate any section of what passes for the brains of the MSM.

241 Flavia  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 10:54:41am

re: #51 latingent

What a horrible place to raise kids. With the adults killing each other over their fucking fundamentalism the children dont have a snowballs chance in hell. I wish I could take them all out of there and let these people tear each other apart.

I was told by a true leftard that this is a condescending attitude, akin to the enforced “reeducation” of the Native Americans.

242 strangelove  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 11:53:32am

this is right out of a Monty Python movie:

“we’re the People’s Front of Judea, not the Judean People’s Front!!!”

243 jordash1212  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 1:46:37pm

And Hamas was supposedly trying to reestablish human relations after the ass-whooping they got from Israel a few months ago?

244 marsl  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:25:06pm

Where are the human rights of those killed? They were palestinians, after all…

Yeah, I know… palis only have “human rights” when are the Israelis killing them. When it’s the egipcians, Jordanians, Lebanese or other palestinian, no one cares about them.

This world is a very hypocrite one.

I’m still waiting those leftists to demonstrate against this episode of the palestinian civil war. Somehow, I’m not too enthusiastic about it… there’s no Americans or Jews involved, no one cares.

245 marsl  Sun, Aug 16, 2009 4:27:49pm

When is the next episode of the palestinian civil war? We haven’t seen a good car swarm in ages… or a good rooftop flying lessons.

246 Eretz  Mon, Aug 17, 2009 12:35:53pm

For some good material on Fatah and Hamas, see “Explaining Palestinian Politics: When Even the Moderates Talk Like Extremists, No Peace Deal is Possible” by Barry Rubin,
and
“Fatah Congress Election Results: Quite Different From What You Will be Told”
[Link: rubinreports.blogspot.com…]

247 Eretz  Tue, Aug 18, 2009 1:08:13am

New report on how Hamas is transforming Gaza
Hamas is turning Gaza into a Totalitarian Islamist State Allied to Iran


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