1 | Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:33:14pm |
You guys all rock! Be well! Gotta sleep!
2 | Neutral President Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:33:32pm |
CERN is going to accidently produce a strangelet in the Large Hardon (sic) Collider on Dec 21, 2012. The same day effects from the Betelgeuse supernova will arrive at Earth including a gamma ray burst from the leftover core collapsing into a quark star or a black hole.
Jesus will return 10 days later to a planet that is a quark-gluon plasma surrounded by a charred moon and will say "D'oh I forgot about the damn calendar change in 1582!"
4 | Gus Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:38:00pm |
5 | Oh no...Sand People! Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:41:48pm |
I got to thinking about the anti-vaccination types and it seems they are doing a great disservice to the conservative argument against illegal immigration from a medical standpoint. A lot of my issues are the diseases they can bring in from their country of origin when not properly vaccinated.
Now...we want to do it on purpose! Hooray! Let's all be 3rd world on purpose!
/
10 | Sharmuta Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:49:33pm |
re: #5 Oh no...Sand People!
I got to thinking about the anti-vaccination types and it seems they are doing a great disservice to the conservative argument against illegal immigration from a medical standpoint. A lot of my issues are the diseases they can bring in from their country of origin when not properly vaccinated.
Now...we want to do it on purpose! Hooray! Let's all be 3rd world on purpose!
/
All of these idiots are doing the conservative movement a disservice. Barry Goldwater wasn't an idiotarian. Buckley wasn't an idiotarian. These morons have stolen our movement, tossed Goldwater under the bus and all we got were these lousey factions pushing out the rational people from the party. They don't want RINOs! They can continue to enjoy electoral defeats with that attitude.
11 | KronoGhazi Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:50:26pm |
re: #2 ArchangelMichael
Jesus will return 10 days later to a planet that is a quark-gluon plasma surrounded by a charred moon and will say "D'oh I forgot about the damn calendar change in 1582!"
I am sick and tired of people not getting their damned facts straight. Jesus will return 12 days later, as in 12 disciples. Sheesh.
12 | Neutral President Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:51:45pm |
re: #11 BigPapa
I am sick and tired of people not getting their damned facts straight. Jesus will return 12 days later, as in 12 disciples. Sheesh.
Yeah but the Gregorian calendar is 10 days off of the Julian one. So if he comes 12 days later, he would have been after all of that nasty end of the world stuff instead of before.
14 | Spare O'Lake Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:58:01pm |
15 | Sharmuta Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:58:03pm |
Maybe that's what Ojoe's Modern Whig party should rename themselves.
The RINO! Party.
They could potentially pick up a lot of people with this name change, because the right-wing blogosphere tells me the right is simply cram packed with RINOs!
16 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Oct 8, 2009 11:58:20pm |
re: #10 Sharmuta
And I was just told by a visiting relative that Beck is going to be The Man That Saves America. He's going to bring down this one world gov't plot that has been in the works since Bush Sr.
Booze ain't gonna cut it for me this time. Ben Hur, paging Mr. Ben Hur. Please hook a Lizard up.
/
17 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:00:24am |
Is that a pair of dophins jumping out of the sea, in that plaque on the railing...? Or is that a cow I see?
18 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:02:04am |
re: #15 Sharmuta
Maybe that's what Ojoe's Modern Whig party should rename themselves.
The RINO! Party.
They could potentially pick up a lot of people with this name change, because the right-wing blogosphere tells me the right is simply cram packed with RINOs!
There are a lot of DINOs feeling unwanted too. I thought it was crazy last time but now I really do hope Bloomburg runs as an independent.
19 | Neutral President Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:07:06am |
20 | Neutral President Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:10:31am |
re: #19 ArchangelMichael
All the kook stuff is in the first 2 minutes. I couldn't find a shorter version with just the conspiracy dialogue in it.
21 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:14:40am |
22 | Gus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:16:43am |
23 | Neutral President Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:17:19am |
re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth
An excellent game. They just don't make 'em like that any more. I still have my copy, which I bought used for $1.99.
They're working on a third. After the second one, I will reserve my enthusiasm.
Greatest Game Ever. Ditto on the enthusiasm for another sequel (I think it's supposed to be a prequel though). I think I might try reinstalling the original and playing it through again. Not sure how well it will get along with Windows 7 though.
24 | MisterCookie Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:18:08am |
re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth
Haha! I was just playing that like right this minute. I bought it off Steam a week ago, its spectacular. Only complaint I have is the dozens and dozens of key codes you encounter throughout the game. I like that the superevil MJ12 conspiracy has their own logo...
25 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:19:57am |
re: #19 ArchangelMichael
and people wonder why Ron Paul has such a strong following among hardcore gamers.
26 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:20:45am |
re: #23 ArchangelMichael
Not sure how well it will get along with Windows 7 though.
In WinXP I had to use the "compatibility mode" option and set it to "Windows 98". Otherwise, all motion was slowed to a crawl.
27 | Neutral President Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:22:04am |
re: #24 MisterCookie
Haha! I was just playing that like right this minute. I bought it off Steam a week ago, its spectacular. Only complaint I have is the dozens and dozens of key codes you encounter throughout the game. I like that the superevil MJ12 conspiracy has their own logo...
I got Deus Ex originally as a "freebee" included with a video card I bought back in 2000. It was better than finding a Willy Wonka golden ticket.
It's also literally the first video game I finished without cheating or giving up.
28 | Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:23:05am |
re: #18 Conservative Moonbat
There are a lot of DINOs feeling unwanted too. I thought it was crazy last time but now I really do hope Bloomburg runs as an independent.
I think DINOs need to read some Goldwater- maybe then they'll feel comfortable being RINOs!
29 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:23:09am |
I run linux and have lost half my life to nethack. I don't need fancy graphics.
30 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:25:21am |
re: #24 MisterCookie
There are a variety of ways around the many key codes and computer logins. Dialog, tech gadgets, info on data cubes, investing in certain skills, etc.
How are you liking the game otherwise?
31 | Neutral President Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:27:24am |
re: #15 Sharmuta
Maybe that's what Ojoe's Modern Whig party should rename themselves.
The RINO! Party.
They could potentially pick up a lot of people with this name change, because the right-wing blogosphere tells me the right is simply cram packed with RINOs!
My definition of RINO has always been someone who is not fiscally conservative. My previous problems with McCain, Specter, Graham, and the like have always been their apparent lack of fi-con credentials. If the "real" (read current GOP) definition is a non-socon, well then I'll be ok with the RINO party, otherwise no. Last thing we need is more big-spenders.
32 | MisterCookie Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:27:36am |
re: #30 Slumbering Behemoth
I'm loving it, I've been mostly just hacking to avoid key codes. I always find a way around them, but I'm saturated with emails saying "oh by the way the code for the terminal is 1337" then seeing at least 20 different objects that fit the description of a terminal. Just got to the part where I have to buy LAMs from Smuggler to scuttle the freighter. Can you get LAMS on site, I assume? I don't have 2400 credits on me.
33 | Neutral President Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:31:23am |
re: #32 MisterCookie
I'm loving it, I've been mostly just hacking to avoid key codes. I always find a way around them, but I'm saturated with emails saying "oh by the way the code for the terminal is 1337" then seeing at least 20 different objects that fit the description of a terminal. Just got to the part where I have to buy LAMs from Smuggler to scuttle the freighter. Can you get LAMS on site, I assume? I don't have 2400 credits on me.
Wish I could help you with that. I haven't played it since 2002. I think at the time, I already had LAMs on me though. There's probably a way around it. They never railroad you into a single solution in that game that I can remember.
34 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:32:02am |
re: #31 ArchangelMichael
My definition of RINO has always been someone who is not fiscally conservative. My previous problems with McCain, Specter, Graham, and the like have always been their apparent lack of fi-con credentials. If the "real" (read current GOP) definition is a non-socon, well then I'll be ok with the RINO party, otherwise no. Last thing we need is more big-spenders.
I'd be happy to take McCain, Grahm, Crist, et al, just to keep the theocrats out of power.
35 | MisterCookie Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:32:48am |
re: #33 ArchangelMichael
Yeah but I'm pretty sure it involves running around half the shipyard looking for a mine. I know I've got like 20 spare rockets; I suppose those could work.
36 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:06am |
re: #34 Conservative Moonbat
I'd be happy to take McCain, Grahm, Crist, et al, just to keep the theocrats out of power.
It's not about voting for what you want. It's about voting against that which you cannot the thought of being in office.
37 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:38am |
re: #32 MisterCookie
It's been a while, but usually you can find what you need on the sight of your mission. GameFAQs has a truly lousy forum community (bunch of shit flinging adolescents), but the walkthroughs hosted on that site are much more often than not excellent, if you wanna go that route.
I generally try to avoid walkthroughs unless I am absolutely stumped.
38 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:33:54am |
re: #36 Conservative Moonbat
It's not about voting for what you want. It's about voting against that which you cannot the thought of being in office.
cannot stand the thought.
Wheee I'm buzzed and need to go to bed
39 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:36:15am |
re: #33 ArchangelMichael
They never railroad you into a single solution in that game that I can remember.
A rare quality in PCRPGs these days. Fallout (1&2) FTW! Amirite?
40 | MisterCookie Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:36:21am |
re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah I'm avoiding them; I'm only using a guide that gives recommendations on augmentation upgrades. Oh well, I'll see what happens when I get to Brooklyn.
42 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:40:08am |
re: #40 MisterCookie
Just curious, what kind of character are you playing?
43 | MisterCookie Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:53:15am |
re: #42 Slumbering Behemoth
Mostly stealth, put points into rifles and pistols. Something I am having problems with is putting guards down with one shot to the head. Seems really random if they go down in 1 shot or 2. Sniper rifle works fine, but I'd rather use pistol. Do I need accuracy upgrades on the gun to do it more reliably?
44 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 12:53:20am |
re: #23 ArchangelMichael
I think it's supposed to be a prequel though
That's what I am gathering so far. I like the idea of the pre-nanotech, mechanical augmentations coming into play, but there are other things I am not liking so much, like regenerating health. Too many games are using that method now. It seems cheap to me.
46 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:04:52am |
Just finished watching the latest episode (#4) of the recent season of Fringe... speaking of "derivative" (as we were on the art thread...), while I find Fringe to be pretty much a reincarnation of X-Files it does have a few very endearing qualities, not the least of which is the work of John Noble.
47 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:07:21am |
re: #43 MisterCookie
For stealth:
The Mini-Crossbow is your friend. Darts are everywhere. A scope mod and accuracy/range mods will make that a head shot killer, but you also need Low Tech Weapons skills.
You also have to adjust for "drop", I have no clue what the official term for that is. In other words, the darts will follow a downward arc once fired, so at a certain distance you will have to aim above the head of your target to account for the downward arc.
The pistol also works great for head shots with a silencer mod and accuracy/range mods.
48 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:08:59am |
What the...? Where are my shoelaces?
Either somebody's playing a prank or I'm on suicide watch after tonight's Red Sox game.
49 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:10:22am |
re: #48 Fenway_Nation
Sorry bro, I got horny er, um... I mean hungry.
/
50 | sngnsgt Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:12:08am |
Say a prayer for me if you do that kinda' thing, I'll be taking Mom to "the home" in the morning... this is going to be tough... I hope I can sleep tonight...
51 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:13:27am |
re: #49 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah...about that. Be sure to say 'Hi' to David Carridine and Michael Huctchense for me when you're found hanging in a hotel room like they were...
52 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:13:43am |
re: #50 sngnsgt
Dealing with aging parents is difficult. Wish you well.
53 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:14:59am |
55 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:24:24am |
re: #54 sngnsgt
My grandfather's in his 90s- had a stroke and can't get around independently. He's still very aware (and to be honest, a pretty ornery cuss) and is residing in a rest home for retired firefighters these days.
56 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:28:53am |
re: #50 sngnsgt
Say a prayer for me if you do that kinda' thing, I'll be taking Mom to "the home" in the morning... this is going to be tough... I hope I can sleep tonight...
IIRC, Irish Rose has the Prayer List. Email her and ask for your mom to be added. Mornin' (or evening) late nighters.
57 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:32:43am |
Tippy toppy tip top o'the morning to ya, CCA...
58 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:34:20am |
re: #57 Fenway_Nation
Tippy toppy tip top o'the morning to ya, CCA...
There was some train porn on NGC yesterday. You were online and was gonna tell you. But it was a scrap yard. But recycling extends the life of a train, I suppose.
59 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:37:07am |
re: #58 Cannadian Club Akbar
Actually, they were selling cabs and other parts, not all melted down. Should have pointed that out.
60 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:40:52am |
61 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:42:15am |
Starting at 6:15 EST...
[Link: www.nasa.gov...]
62 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:42:20am |
re: #51 Fenway_Nation
FYI, I didn't use 'em like that. Uh, you might want to burn them now, however. Just a heads up.
63 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:43:34am |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
Looks like it's back to the velcro sneakers again.
64 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:43:36am |
65 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:44:44am |
re: #62 Slumbering Behemoth
FYI, I didn't use 'em like that. Uh, you might want to burn them now, however. Just a heads up.
You had better not talk about any beads!!
/
66 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:46:29am |
re: #54 sngnsgt
Best of luck to you Lizard. I watched one grandma go down like that (dementia/Alzheimer's) ten years ago, and I'm watching my other grandma do the same. It's never easy, no matter how much experience a person has dealing with it.
67 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:46:55am |
re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just thought I'd augment my usual train p0rn with 'Famous hotties from Alaska' so it wouldn't be completely off-topic.
So what time does our bombing of the moon commence?
68 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:48:16am |
7:30. Coverage starts at 6:15. Link on my #61.
69 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:49:24am |
re: #63 Fenway_Nation
Looks like it's back to the velcro sneakers again.
I gots plans for them too. Experimental Brazilian, extra pain.
70 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:53:11am |
re: #17 freetoken
Is that a pair of dophins jumping out of the sea, in that plaque on the railing...? Or is that a cow I see?
That a "sea cow"?
71 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:53:11am |
Yeah, probably about the same.
NSFWish. Wait for the punchline.
72 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:54:49am |
re: #70 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Don't sea cows eat sea kittehs?
73 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:56:29am |
74 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:58:42am |
Indigestion and Insomnia. They should make a Prilosec PM..
Gonna try to go back to sleep.
Let's just hope they don't fuck up and blow the moon to smithereens...
75 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:58:43am |
re: #71 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, probably about the same.
NSFWish. Wait for the punchline.
That wasn't right.
76 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 1:59:42am |
77 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:00:58am |
re: #76 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Funny as hell too.
"I'll have what she's having..."
You know who the woman who said that line was, right?
79 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:04:53am |
Tampa has a U2 concert tonight. It is gonna be a total cluster fuck. Parking opens at 7AM, noon and 3PM. Much different then a Bucs game.
80 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:06:52am |
re: #79 Cannadian Club Akbar
In that some people will come away feeling like they got their money's worth?
81 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:07:36am |
re: #80 Fenway_Nation
In that some people will come away feeling like they got their money's worth?
That's just wrong, man.:)
83 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:10:46am |
/I'm not bitter, I swear!
84 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:12:13am |
re: #82 Bryntröll
I cant believe this
[Link: aftonbladet.se...]
Obama is getting the Nobel Peace price...
My radio just said the same thing. I really hope someone is really good at jokes.
85 | affenkopf Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:12:21am |
Obama might not deserve the prize but at least no one like Arafat got it this year. Also seeing the right hyperventilate over this should be fun.
86 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:14:56am |
re: #85 affenkopf
Obama might not deserve the prize but at least no one like Arafat got it this year. Also seeing the right hyperventilate over this should be fun.
Well, you give a peace prize to Arafish kinda takes away legitimacy.
87 | Bryntröll Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:16:42am |
re: #85 affenkopf
True. However i fail to see the reasoning for giving a president of a country at war, independent of how just that war is, a peace price.
88 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:17:54am |
re: #87 Bryntröll
True. However i fail to see the reasoning for giving a president of a country at war, independent of how just that war is, a peace price.
Because he said he wanted to rid the world of nukes. Hasn't done anything, but he did say it.
89 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:30:44am |
Well, it's getting close to Halloween, otherwise known as the season of Dog Abuse:
90 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:32:41am |
re: #89 freetoken
Well, it's getting close to Halloween, otherwise known as the season of Dog Abuse:
[Video]
Didn't Cheney dress his dog like Darth Vader?
91 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:33:09am |
This is like the Dixie Chicks winning the Oscars all over again.
92 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:33:51am |
re: #91 Conservative Moonbat
This is like the Dixie Chicks winning the Oscars all over again.
Or Algore or Michael Moore.
93 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:34:54am |
94 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:36:38am |
re: #93 Conservative Moonbat
sorry, the dixie chicks won grammies
I was wondering, but I can say Alanis Morrisette got screwed when she lost to Aerosmith for an Oscar.
95 | Mojo Jojo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:38:36am |
What were those Norwegians Smoking? The only thing President Obama has done is win an election. Something is not right here.
96 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:38:53am |
re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was wondering, but I can say Alanis Morrisette got screwed when she lost to Aerosmith for an Oscar.
don't know what year that was or for what films but you can most definitely say it.
97 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:39:44am |
re: #95 Mojo Jojo
What were those Norwegians Smoking? The only thing President Obama has done is win an election. Something is not right here.
My radio said he was nominated in February and that is when the nomination process closed.
98 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:40:07am |
he's done a lot of shit.. It just hasn't been reported on the TV.
101 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:41:12am |
re: #96 Conservative Moonbat
don't know what year that was or for what films but you can most definitely say it.
Aerosmith for the ballad for the disaster movie with the comet or whateer, Alanis for "Uninvited" from City of Angels.
102 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:41:46am |
103 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:42:12am |
re: #95 Mojo Jojo
The committee that hands out the Peace prize has a recent history of being more proactive than anything else. Unlike some of the other prizes, where the winner may be awarded decades after their accomplishment, the Peace prize is now given to those in contemporary settings.
Good, bad or indifferent... I'm not sure I care.
104 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:42:45am |
re: #98 Conservative Moonbat
he's done a lot of shit.. It just hasn't been reported on the TV.
Might have been the beer summit.
/
105 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:43:18am |
I'm sitting here laughing my fucking ass off.
106 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:44:18am |
Nominally I guess, from the reports on the news wires, it was Obama's attempt at what looks like a 180 degree turn in American foreign policy from one of conflict to one of "constructive" engagement, e.g., the trip to Egypt.
The 'net sure will be lively over the next 24 hours...
OTOH, and this comes from watching Fringe tonight, it is always possible that we've been slipped into a parallel universe...
107 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:44:27am |
re: #105 TheMatrix31
I'm sitting here laughing my fucking ass off.
That's about all we can do. If we stop and look at the direction we're headed in it would be tragic.
108 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:44:49am |
If this is true about the Nobel prize, will 0bama blow off more meetings from military commanders about Afghanistan so he can fly off to Scandanavia (again) and pick up his prize?
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't Arafish and Rabbit bait Jimmah Carter past Nobel prize recipients?
109 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:44:59am |
re: #105 TheMatrix31
I'm sitting here laughing my fucking ass off.
Bet the people on MSNBC are having orgasms right about now.
112 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:45:56am |
re: #82 Bryntröll
Ya know, I thought your post was a "put on", but news outlets on the net seem to confirm it.
However, without knowing who the other nominees were, I'd say this is much less an upset than when Gore won over that woman who actually endured Nazi brutality to secret Jewish children out of Germany. That was a freakin' travesty of judgment.
114 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:46:45am |
re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth
Ya know, I thought your post was a "put on", but news outlets on the net seem to confirm it.
However, without knowing who the other nominees were, I'd say this is much less an upset than when Gore won over that woman who actually endured Nazi brutality to secret Jewish children out of Germany. That was a freakin' travesty of judgment.
I wanna say her name was Irena Sendler.
115 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:49:44am |
Please someone, tell me who the other nominees were.
116 | Bryntröll Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:49:45am |
The guy seems sensible and sympathetic, though i do also.
117 | Mojo Jojo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:50:31am |
re: #103 freetoken
It's been years since I've had such a good laugh.
118 | Bryntröll Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:50:31am |
119 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:50:56am |
re: #115 TheMatrix31
Please someone, tell me who the other nominees were.
Satan, Pol Pot and Dick Cheney.
120 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:51:28am |
re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar
tHugo Chavez didn't make the cut this year?
121 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:52:41am |
re: #120 Fenway_Nation
tHugo Chavez didn't make the cut this year?
He was bumped for George Steinbrenner!!
/thought you'd like that...
122 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:54:33am |
I CANNOT WAIT 'til Mandy hears this. Heh.
123 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:54:45am |
re: #114 Cannadian Club Akbar
I wanna say her name was Irena Sendler.
That's her name. Thanks for refreshing my gooey memory.
124 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:54:53am |
Maybe he can get Bill Ayers to ghost write his acceptance speech. At this rate I'll be able to retire off of my teleprompter stock though.///
125 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:55:31am |
re: #122 Cannadian Club Akbar
I CANNOT WAIT 'til Mandy hears this. Heh.
I should be able to hear the explosion here in TX.
127 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:57:28am |
In office two weeks and BHO was nominated for the Nobel Prize?!
128 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:57:39am |
re: #124 soxfan4life
We are gonna need an open thread for the acceptance speech. Should be good.
129 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:58:01am |
re: #127 MandyManners
In office two weeks and BHO was nominated for the Nobel Prize?!
You almost won...
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130 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:58:39am |
I seriously feel like throwing myself off a cliff right now. This is ridiculous.
131 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:58:42am |
re: #115 TheMatrix31
Please someone, tell me who the other nominees were.
Greg Mortinson--according to Fox--has built hundreds of schools practically by hand lost out.
133 | Summer Seale Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:59:09am |
My heavens...
Don't get me wrong - Obama is probably trying his best at everything and everyone here knows I'm not one to knock him down for his efforts...but...
HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING YET!!!
134 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 2:59:28am |
re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar
You almost won...
/
It's' the bit about telling people to go piss up a rope that tripped me up this year.
137 | Westward Ho Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:00:09am |
Absolutely stunned that O won the Nobel peace prize, doesn't that undercut his war options?
138 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:00:31am |
re: #133 Summer
My heavens...
Don't get me wrong - Obama is probably trying his best at everything and everyone here knows I'm not one to knock him down for his efforts...but...
HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING YET!!!
The nominations' deadline is in February. He'd done even less than nothing then.
139 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:00:42am |
Well...Carter got one some 25 years after nearly driving the United States of America off a cliff. I guess 0bama's just getting his in advance.
140 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:01:19am |
re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth
Ya know, I thought your post was a "put on", but news outlets on the net seem to confirm it.
However, without knowing who the other nominees were, I'd say this is much less an upset than when Gore won over that woman who actually endured Nazi brutality to secret Jewish children out of Germany. That was a freakin' travesty of judgment.
I'd forgotten that one.
It's meaningless now.
141 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:02:25am |
In a related story, there was a prize in my box of Cracker Jacks. Yea me!!!
142 | Velvet Elvis Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:03:01am |
re: #134 MandyManners
It's' the bit about telling people to go piss up a rope that tripped me up this year.
143 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:03:04am |
re: #133 Summer
My heavens...
Don't get me wrong - Obama is probably trying his best at everything and everyone here knows I'm not one to knock him down for his efforts...but...
HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING YET!!!
I agree. This particular prize's lustre has been in steep decline for a long while, and this award only hastens that plunge. There is no achievement to hang it on at all. It has all the gravitas of a Hallmark card.
144 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:03:11am |
It's like "Dancing With The Stars". Absolutely meaningless.
145 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:03:59am |
re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar
In a related story, there was a prize in my box of Cracker Jacks. Yea me!!!
Secret De-Coder Ring?
146 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:05:17am |
Doesn't matter about the prestige or what this means.
People are going to see this and actually think that the guy's fucking DONE anything. It's going to be used in defense of him. It's going to be used to prop him up as some sort of hero even more than he already is. It could even hurt our war efforts because of how a "man of peace" will be considered on the world state.
148 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:06:17am |
re: #139 Fenway_Nation
Well...Carter got one some 25 years after nearly driving the United States of America off a cliff. I guess 0bama's just getting his in advance.
Carter's prize was particularly scuzzy. He actively lobbied for it, to the point of whining and stamping his feet over not getting one while Arafat got his, and after years of this sort of behavior the committee finally relented and tossed on his way. Allegations of financial coercion have never been proven, but Carter's shameful behavior in the years leading up to the award raised eyebrows.
149 | Morganfrost Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:06:25am |
Holy crap, President Hopenchange just won the Nobel Peace Prize. The Committee must have been impressed with his decisive actions to close Gitmo, end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, prevent Iran from getting a bomb and solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
150 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:06:50am |
151 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:07:00am |
You will know the fix is really in when he wins the Nobel Prize for Economics.
152 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:07:50am |
re: #149 Morganfrost
Holy crap, President Hopenchange just won the Nobel Peace Prize. The Committee must have been impressed with his decisive actions to close Gitmo, end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, prevent Iran from getting a bomb and solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
He also made the lame walk.
/
153 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:08:09am |
Blast on a bus in Pakistan killed 41 and wounded more than 100.
154 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:08:45am |
re: #146 TheMatrix31
Doesn't matter about the prestige or what this means.
People are going to see this and actually think that the guy's fucking DONE anything. It's going to be used in defense of him. It's going to be used to prop him up as some sort of hero even more than he already is. It could even hurt our war efforts because of how a "man of peace" will be considered on the world state.
Maybe. Gore's prize hasn't been used in such a way. The only occasion I've seen major mention of it has been on South Park's Manbearpig episode, in which Gore constantly wears it around his neck, holding his arms straight out in front of him while he walks, making "Whooosh!!!" noises with his mouth like he's flying.
155 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:08:49am |
re: #148 SixDegrees
Carter's prize was particularly scuzzy. He actively lobbied for it, to the point of whining and stamping his feet over not getting one while Arafat got his, and after years of this sort of behavior the committee finally relented and tossed on his way. Allegations of financial coercion have never been proven, but Carter's shameful behavior in the years leading up to the award raised eyebrows.
Carter allegedly bribed the committee?
156 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:08:51am |
re: #149 Morganfrost
Holy crap, President Hopenchange just won the Nobel Peace Prize. The Committee must have been impressed with his decisive actions to close Gitmo, end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, prevent Iran from getting a bomb and solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Maybe the Oslo committee should have been reminded of 0bama's complete silence during the Iranian situation. What a joke.
157 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:08:52am |
158 | Westward Ho Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:09:13am |
I underestimated the power of O's groupies. The whole thing is embarassing to say the least. He did not finish a term as a senator and was elected POTUS and now not a freaking year later he gets this! What star signs was he born under. Holy frickking O
159 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:09:40am |
re: #149 Morganfrost
Holy crap, President Hopenchange just won the Nobel Peace Prize. The Committee must have been impressed with his decisive actions to close Gitmo, end the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, prevent Iran from getting a bomb and solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
I wish I could get a prize for my hopes and intentions.
160 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:09:46am |
re: #158 Westward Ho
I underestimated the power of O's groupies. The whole thing is embarassing to say the least. He did not finish a term as a senator and was elected POTUS and now not a freaking year later he gets this! What star signs was he born under. Holy frickking O
Stars were born under Obama.
161 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:09:57am |
re: #154 SixDegrees
Yeah but Gore's not the President of the United States either.
...although he should be BECAUSE BUSH STOLE THE ELECTION!!!
///
162 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:10:05am |
163 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:10:39am |
re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar
He also made the lame walk.
/
I thought Biden won that for trying to get Chuck to stand up.
164 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:10:47am |
165 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:10:55am |
Well...I can see what's going to be the topic of discussion at the next family get-together.
Fenway: Jesus J-Damn Christ...cap and trade is going to absolutely ruin the economy. Increased costs for energy and transportation- who do you think is gonna pay for that? I can't belive 0bama signed off on that shit
Moonbat relatives: But he won the Nobel prize.
Fenway: And Card Check? A government-backed handout to union thugs? How could 0bama possibly support that?
Moonbat relatives: But he won the Nobel Prize!
Fenway: And this clown's idea of healthcare? Because Social Security and Medicaid are flush with cash as it is- let's let government control more aspects of the healthcare industry! Bang-up job, Mr. President!
Moonbat relatives: Don't you get it!? He won the Nobel prize!
167 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:12:06am |
168 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:12:24am |
169 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:12:57am |
re: #158 Westward Ho
I underestimated the power of O's groupies. The whole thing is embarassing to say the least. He did not finish a term as a senator and was elected POTUS and now not a freaking year later he gets this! What star signs was he born under. Holy frickking O
Don't forget that the nomination's deadline was two weeks after he took office.
170 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:13:07am |
re: #156 soxfan4life
Maybe the Oslo committee should have been reminded of 0bama's complete silence during the Iranian situation. What a joke.
Oh...he was thinking of writing a strongly-worded denunciation.
172 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:14:01am |
re: #169 MandyManners
Don't forget that the nomination's deadline was two weeks after he took office.
11 days.
173 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:14:28am |
re: #146 TheMatrix31
Meh, I doubt it. It will just be a feather in his cap that gets him an extra chunk of cash at speaking engagements or in book deals after he has finished his POTUS term(s).
174 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:14:35am |
re: #170 Fenway_Nation
Oh...he was thinking of writing a strongly-worded denunciation.
Well in that case he truly deserves it, so stop it all you haters.///
175 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:14:43am |
re: #171 Cannadian Club Akbar
"You see, unlike that evil Bush...Obama is reaching out. He's amazing! And LOOK, he even won a Nobel Prize for it! How's that for showing how awful Bush was?"
...is what they're gonna say.
176 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:14:45am |
re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar
11 days.
Well, it only took 6 days to create everything in the universe...
177 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:14:58am |
I should jump in the car, circle the block, honking my horn.
/
178 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:15:55am |
re: #155 MandyManners
Carter allegedly bribed the committee?
I never said that. His constant, petulant whining over how he ought to be a recipient, and the subsequent award, was unseemly enough to raise the question. There's no evidence that any money actually changed hands. Or was deposited into any northern European banks.
179 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:16:02am |
re: #177 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can't drive. I'll probably end up crashing because I'm laughing so hard.
180 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:16:07am |
And now he's gonna bomb the moon!!!
181 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:16:33am |
re: #158 Westward Ho
I underestimated the power of O's groupies. The whole thing is embarassing to say the least. He did not finish a term as a senator and was elected POTUS and now not a freaking year later he gets this! What star signs was he born under. Holy frickking O
He's Leo.
182 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:17:13am |
183 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:17:53am |
184 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:17:55am |
re: #167 MandyManners
I'm always hearing new music here!
You've never heard TOOL before? I dig the hell out of them, but you're probably not missing much. There stuff seems to be a "love or hate" thing with most people.
186 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:18:07am |
re: #161 TheMatrix31
Yeah but Gore's not the President of the United States either.
True, but a lot of moonbats think he is. Or was. Or...something.
187 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:18:57am |
re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar
11 days.
It was in the bag the moment he won the election. Guaranteed.
188 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:19:45am |
189 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:19:51am |
re: #178 SixDegrees
I never said that. His constant, petulant whining over how he ought to be a recipient, and the subsequent award, was unseemly enough to raise the question. There's no evidence that any money actually changed hands. Or was deposited into any northern European banks.
I wonder if they knew of his propensity to shoot cats.
190 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:20:31am |
re: #183 Cannadian Club Akbar
Why did you say that? What have you heard?
It's a given considering the tat.
191 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:21:09am |
re: #184 Slumbering Behemoth
You've never heard TOOL before? I dig the hell out of them, but you're probably not missing much. There stuff seems to be a "love or hate" thing with most people.
I've heard of them but I don't recall ever hearing a song.
192 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:21:18am |
re: #188 TheMatrix31
But WHY?
This guy is even more divisive than Bush was.
He won't be by the time he is voted out of office. Most Americans will be in agreement that he was the wrong man for the job.
193 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:21:55am |
re: #188 TheMatrix31
But WHY?
This guy is even more divisive than Bush was.
Look at his policies and promises.
194 | TheMatrix31 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:22:24am |
re: #192 soxfan4life
Let's fucking HOPE so.
Thank goodness it's almost already been a year. Potentially 25% over!
195 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:22:28am |
re: #191 MandyManners
I've heard of them but I don't recall ever hearing a song.
Don't ever listen to the song "Sober." Trust me, you will HATE it.
196 | MagnaniomousCoward Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:22:32am |
Obama getting the peace prize makes more sense than when Al Gore and Wangari Maathai got it, at least. The argumentation for Obama winning refers to actual peace and disarmament aims, so I can't really complain about it.
Sure, Obama hasn't really done all that much yet, but the peace prize is sometimes given as an encouragement to continue down a path to peace and not just as an award for past work.
The Norwegian Nobel committee has failed again, but not as badly as they've failed before, so meh.
197 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:23:37am |
By the way: Thomas Sowell has an interesting column on the taint attached to Carter's prize, which is also widely seen as a purely political slap at Bush I having little to do with Carter's achievements, although Carter's constant barrage of blunt hints that he ought to get one since Arafat got one certainly played a role in his selection. Standing out in the hallway going "Me! Me! Me! Me!" while stinking of the blood of innocents slaughtered thanks to years of support of tyrants and dictators tends to raise your profile with the committee.
Sorry this article is at the Freep. It's still a good read, though.
198 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:23:59am |
re: #191 MandyManners
I've heard of them but I don't recall ever hearing a song.
Their music/style is certainly a matter of taste, but I've seen them live many times and they are tight as hell. They are either supremely gifted, or they practice their set lists like crazy.
199 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:24:09am |
re: #189 MandyManners
I wonder if they knew of his propensity to shoot cats.
And don't forget the rabbit beating.
200 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:24:46am |
re: #198 Slumbering Behemoth
They are incredible. Period.
201 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:24:50am |
I said this back in November, and I still stand by it.
The people who truly and unambiguously loathe and detest the United Staes of America are happy that Barack Hussein 0bama won the election.
203 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:25:17am |
re: #195 Cannadian Club Akbar
Don't ever listen to the song "Sober." Trust me, you will HATE it.
In your opinion, why?
204 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:25:54am |
205 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:26:25am |
Some good news. Anthony Marshall is guilty, and his scuzzy attorney, to.
The jury’s verdict means that Mrs. Astor’s son, Anthony D. Marshall, 85, faces a sentence of at least a year and as many as 25 years. A co-defendant, Francis X. Morrissey Jr., a lawyer who did estate planning for Mrs. Astor, was also convicted of a series of fraud and conspiracy charges, as well as one count of forging Mrs. Astor’s signature on an amendment to her will.
The verdict drew the curtain on a long trial that cast an unflattering spotlight on one of New York’s first families of high society. Henry Kissinger, Barbara Walters and Annette de la Renta, among others, testified that Mr. Marshall mistreated his mother in her later years and conspired to inflate his inheritance from her estate — largely to appease his wife, Charlene Marshall. Mrs. Astor died in 2007 at age 105.
SNIP
206 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:27:30am |
208 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:28:38am |
209 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:28:56am |
re: #202 ohpleaseno
It's not his fault he won.
True. But it is another ding in the Nobel Committee's credibility. The Nobel Peace Prize now seems to carry as much meaning as "Dancing With The Stars".
Very little.
210 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:32:29am |
re: #201 Fenway_Nation
I said this back in November, and I still stand by it.
The people who truly and unambiguously loathe and detest the United Staes of America are happy that Barack Hussein 0bama won the election.
Dude...not cool. A lot of Americans who love America, and a lot of people elsewhere who love America, are also happy he won.
211 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:33:52am |
re: #208 SixDegrees
It's what's for breakfast.
Best hang-over cure I found in college: cold steak, onion and tomato.
212 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:33:59am |
re: #210 iceweasel
Dude...not cool. A lot of Americans who love America, and a lot of people elsewhere who love America, are also happy he won.
Two separate groups, happily coexisting as subsets of all those who voted for 0bama. The presence of one doesn't negate the presence of the other.
213 | Summer Seale Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:35:26am |
My guess is that Obama is probably as incredulous that he's won the Nobel Peace Prize and is thinking to himself "These people are real morons...but hey, pretty amazing that I won!"
I don't think he actually thinks he deserves it.
214 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:35:30am |
re: #211 MandyManners
Best hang-over cure I found in college: cold steak, onion and tomato.
Hmmm. Tomato seems to be a common ingredient in a lot of such concoctions. Might be worth keeping in mind; although I don't do hangovers anymore, they remain a possibility.
215 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:37:14am |
re: #214 SixDegrees
Hmmm. Tomato seems to be a common ingredient in a lot of such concoctions. Might be worth keeping in mind; although I don't do hangovers anymore, they remain a possibility.
Protein, Vitamin C and starch.
216 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:37:52am |
re: #213 Summer
My guess is that Obama is probably as incredulous that he's won the Nobel Peace Prize and is thinking to himself "These people are real morons...but hey, pretty amazing that I won!"
I don't think he actually thinks he deserves it.
As Lizards have long known, he's a narcissist. I bet he thinks he deserves it.
217 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:38:04am |
re: #210 iceweasel
Dude...not cool. A lot of Americans who love America, and a lot of people elsewhere who love America, are also happy he won.
What's your yardstick for loving America, glacies? Voting for a fucking used car salesman who's in some perpetual sales pitch every time he addresses someone?
218 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:38:12am |
re: #212 SixDegrees
Two separate groups, happily coexisting as subsets of all those who voted for 0bama. The presence of one doesn't negate the presence of the other.
Are you seriously suggesting that some of those who voted for Obama did so because they 'unambiguously loathe and hate' America?
I humbly suggest you rethink that.
219 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:38:52am |
I can't resist - Al Gore's return to South Park in search of Manbearpig:
[Link: www.ebaumsworld.com...]
220 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:40:09am |
re: #217 Fenway_Nation
What's your yardstick for loving America, glacies? Voting for a fucking used car salesman who's in some perpetual sales pitch every time he addresses someone?
What's your yardstick for 'hating America', Fenway? Voting for the candidate of the other major political party?
This is as crazy as the craziest of comments I saw about Bush voters, in the most rancid of lefty swamps in 2000 and 2004.
221 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:42:46am |
TGIF. Even if it's a little bit chilly (41, on to a high of 45 tomorrow)
222 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:42:54am |
re: #213 Summer
My guess is that Obama is probably as incredulous that he's won the Nobel Peace Prize and is thinking to himself "These people are real morons...but hey, pretty amazing that I won!"
I don't think he actually thinks he deserves it.
I hope not. I think it's kind of ridiculous that he be awarded it now. In a few years he might even have deserved it, but now?
So much for the ODS sufferers who claimed that the world hates Obama and the Olympics rejection was some kind of slap in the face, though. Wrong again!
223 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:43:07am |
re: #218 iceweasel
Are you seriously suggesting that some of those who voted for Obama did so because they 'unambiguously loathe and hate' America?
I humbly suggest you rethink that.
Actually, I've spoken with one such, who stated that explicitly. He really and truly does loathe and hate America and wants to see it crumble into the dustbin of history, sooner rather than later. He felt that casting a vote for someone with little to no experience in governance and a history of support for a variety of socialist ideals was one way to bring about his goals.
I have no reason to believe there weren't others of similar bent.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm just as certain that there were those who voted for Bush because they thought he was their best bet for seeing Muslims incinerated wholesale.
But that doesn't make the original statement any less correct.
224 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:43:30am |
Who posted that link to the photograph of the Ralph Lauren model yesteday? Alouette?
225 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:44:47am |
re: #220 iceweasel
The same people who were doing their ghoulish little touchdown dance over dead Americans in Iraq in 2004 are pretty happy 0bama won, I imagine (looking the Koslings direction).
Hugo Chavez, Robert Mugabe and baby Assad seem pretty satisfied with the outcome of last year's election.
226 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:44:54am |
Off to shower. I feel as though a long one is necessary this morning.
227 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:45:25am |
re: #224 MandyManners
Who posted that link to the photograph of the Ralph Lauren model yesteday? Alouette?
Yes.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
228 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:46:44am |
re: #223 SixDegrees
Actually, I've spoken with one such, who stated that explicitly. He really and truly does loathe and hate America and wants to see it crumble into the dustbin of history, sooner rather than later. He felt that casting a vote for someone with little to no experience in governance and a history of support for a variety of socialist ideals was one way to bring about his goals.
I have no reason to believe there weren't others of similar bent.
If it makes you feel any better, I'm just as certain that there were those who voted for Bush because they thought he was their best bet for seeing Muslims incinerated wholesale.
But that doesn't make the original statement any less correct.
Yes, it does. If we accept that there is some non-negligable portion of voters who vote for candidates because they hate America and want to see it destroyed, such voters would have always existed and have always made their votes based on that -- including voting for Bush because they believe HE would destroy America.
These people probably all 'vote' by placing a tinfoil hat on their heads and talking into a shoe, though.
229 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:46:53am |
230 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:47:56am |
231 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:48:38am |
232 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:48:41am |
The Obamessiah deserves the Peace Prize about like my cat deserves to fly with the Thunderbirds. The man is totally clueless.
233 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:48:59am |
re: #225 Fenway_Nation
The same people who were doing their ghoulish little touchdown dance over dead Americans in Iraq in 2004 are pretty happy 0bama won, I imagine (looking the Koslings direction).
Hugo Chavez, Robert Mugabe and baby Assad seem pretty satisfied with the outcome of last year's election.
That's different from saying that Americans who voted for Obama did so because they 'unambiguously loathe and detest America', though.
And I'd disagree with your first paragraph anyway, by reminding you that AlQuada wanted Bush to win. So what?
234 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:49:01am |
re: #210 iceweasel
Dude...not cool. A lot of Americans who love America, and a lot of people elsewhere who love America, are also happy he won.
I am completely ambivalent. The award continues to prove itself to be an increasingly meaningless piece of fluff.
Outside of wingnut conspiracy, fear mongering circles, and fluffy moonbat adorations, most folks can see that Obama has achieved nothing less than the lofty heights of status quo.
235 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:49:02am |
re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
That chick needs a samich.
She had a Photoshop stomach-stapling operation.
236 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:50:31am |
re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth
I am completely ambivalent. The award continues to prove itself to be an increasingly meaningless piece of fluff.
Outside of wingnut conspiracy, fear mongering circles, and fluffy moonbat adorations, most folks can see that Obama has achieved nothing less than the lofty heights of status quo.
I don't think the award (in general) is meaningless. I do think it was pretty ridiculously early for Obama to be given it.
237 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:51:08am |
re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
A samich? I could give her half my excess body weight & she'd still be too skinny.
238 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:51:16am |
re: #227 MandyManners
Yes.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Oh my. I wouldn't eat that with your mouth.
/stupid dirty joke
240 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:54:43am |
re: #232 right_wing2
The man is totally clueless.
He's been "clued in", which is why he is continuing many policies of the previous admin. that he once vowed to dismantle. Hardly worthy of great praise, though.
241 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:55:16am |
242 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:55:38am |
243 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:56:19am |
re: #238 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh my. I wouldn't eat that with your mouth.
/stupid dirty joke
I wonder where Dirk is these days?
244 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:57:09am |
re: #241 MandyManners
Yep.
I thought it looked like she had more meat on her bones in the shot on the right. Not much, but..
245 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:57:31am |
re: #233 iceweasel
That's different from saying that Americans who voted for Obama did so because they 'unambiguously loathe and detest America', though.
And I'd disagree with your first paragraph anyway, by reminding you that AlQuada wanted Bush to win. So what?
Before you continue with the ass-hurt histrionics, why don't you go back to my original statement of:
The people who truly and unambiguously loathe and detest the United Staes of America are happy that Barack Hussein 0bama won the election.
Where exactly do you see the word 'vote'?
Don't even fucking start with the 'Al Qaeda wanted Bush/McCain to win' bullshit. I don't remember Bush or McCain campaigning on freeing detained Al Qaeda operatives like 0bama did.
246 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 3:59:36am |
In other news, Iran has just decided to put to death one leader of the post-election protests.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
247 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:00:18am |
re: #233 iceweasel
That's different from saying that Americans who voted for Obama did so because they 'unambiguously loathe and detest America', though.
And I'd disagree with your first paragraph anyway, by reminding you that AlQuada wanted Bush to win. So what?
All right. What about Michael Mooreon? What about Rev. Wright? Or Michael Pfleger? Or George Soros?
248 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:01:47am |
re: #244 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought it looked like she had more meat on her bones in the shot on the right. Not much, but..
I'm sure there are thousands of men studiously comparing the two.
249 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:02:09am |
250 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:02:32am |
re: #248 MandyManners
I'm sure there are thousands of men studiously comparing the two.
Actually, I was just looking at her boobs.
251 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:02:39am |
re: #246 iceweasel
In other news, Iran has just decided to put to death one leader of the post-election protests.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
I'm sure we can count on continued silence from our Nobel Peace prize winner on this subject.
252 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:02:42am |
re: #245 Fenway_Nation
Don't even fucking start with the 'Al Qaeda wanted Bush/McCain to win' bullshit.
Well, if I misinterpreted your original statement, I apologise. Six degrees seemed to read it the same way though, so it might have been helpful had you corrected it sooner. Just sayin'.
And yes, Al Qaeda did want McCain to win. I'm sorry this doesn't fit into your narrative of 'the terrorists love Obama', but it is true.
On Al-Qaeda Web Sites, Joy Over U.S. Crisis, Support for McCain
253 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:03:00am |
254 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:03:16am |
255 | BlackFedora Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:04:07am |
Pretty decent article on Alex Jones' nonsense gaining traction on the right from The New Republic. Truther Consequences
256 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:04:13am |
re: #247 right_wing2
Micheal Moore would be the first one to tell you that he loves America, but it needs to be yet another socialist shithole for it to achieve perfection.
257 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:04:17am |
re: #228 iceweasel
You're deliberately missing the point in an attempt to evade it. I'll simplify.
Late October, 2008:
Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and the corpse of Osama bin Laden walk into a bar. After a series of unusual and improbable events involving the INS, a team of State Department lawyers, the Happy Hour Special and voodoo, all three are granted American citizenship, with the stipulation that they must vote in the upcoming Presidential election.
Who do you think they cast their votes for?
258 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:04:52am |
re: #247 right_wing2
All right. What about Michael Mooreon? What about Rev. Wright? Or Michael Pfleger? Or George Soros?
What about them?
I'm not getting into the Rev Wright bullshit. But none of the people you mention hate America. Including him.
259 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:04:54am |
re: #233 iceweasel
That's different from saying that Americans who voted for Obama did so because they 'unambiguously loathe and detest America', though.
Which no one ever said.
260 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:05:01am |
re: #251 soxfan4life
The Obamessiah will continue to meet with the little madman with 'no pre-conditions'.
261 | soxfan4life Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:05:31am |
re: #257 SixDegrees
Well being a corpse would only qualify him to vote for the Chicago Democrat.
262 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:06:12am |
re: #252 iceweasel
Don't know how to break this to you, glacies, but 0bama's campaign promises included releasing Al Qeada operatives in custody.
263 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:06:36am |
re: #258 iceweasel
They hate everything about America that made this country great. If America was a socialist country, with 'guarantees' of equality of outcome, 50-80%+ tax rates for the greedy rich and government control of more & more industry, then they'd be happy.
264 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:06:46am |
re: #261 soxfan4life
Well being a corpse would only qualify him to vote for the Chicago Democrat.
Just work with me here; I included voodoo, didn't I? ;-)
265 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:07:17am |
re: #257 SixDegrees
Sorry, first you were claiming that there was some segment of Obama voters who voted for him because they hate America. That is bullshit.
And I don't give a shit who non-Americans wanted to win. You don't seem troubled by Al-Q wanting McCain to win.
This is a nonissue. Fenway made a hyperbolic statement. You compounded the error.
266 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:07:47am |
re: #255 BlackFedora
Pretty decent article on Alex Jones' nonsense gaining traction on the right from The New Republic. Truther Consequences
a eugenics-obsessed global elite bent on eliminating most of the earth’s population and enslaving the rest. Members of a Satanic international network, Jones explains in an ominous voiceover, have been "steering planetary affairs for hundreds of years. Now, in the final stage, they prepare for open world government."
Shape-shifting alien reptiles!
267 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:07:55am |
268 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:08:10am |
re: #258 iceweasel
A sermon centered on "Gawd Damn America!" the week after 9/11 was just taken out of context.
Gotchya.
269 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:08:26am |
re: #266 MandyManners
a eugenics-obsessed global elite bent on eliminating most of the earth’s population and enslaving the rest. Members of a Satanic international network, Jones explains in an ominous voiceover, have been "steering planetary affairs for hundreds of years. Now, in the final stage, they prepare for open world government."
Shape-shifting alien reptiles!
You watch Fringe?
270 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:08:29am |
re: #263 right_wing2
They hate everything about America that made this country great. If America was a socialist country, with 'guarantees' of equality of outcome, 50-80%+ tax rates for the greedy rich and government control of more & more industry, then they'd be happy.
Excuse me? Who is 'they' here? Obama voters?
271 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:09:09am |
re: #268 Fenway_Nation
A sermon centered on "Gawd Damn America!" the week after 9/11 was just taken out of context.
Gotchya.
A sermon which wasn't about 9-11.
272 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:09:20am |
re: #265 iceweasel
I made a factual statement.
273 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:10:16am |
re: #270 iceweasel
Wright, Mooreon, Soros, and the others I named earlier.
274 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:10:50am |
re: #271 iceweasel
Don't fucking patronize me. The sermon was about how America deserved 9/11.
275 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:11:03am |
re: #265 iceweasel
Sorry, first you were claiming that there was some segment of Obama voters who voted for him because they hate America. That is bullshit.
And I don't give a shit who non-Americans wanted to win. You don't seem troubled by Al-Q wanting McCain to win.
This is a nonissue. Fenway made a hyperbolic statement. You compounded the error.
No; fenway made a completely accurate statement. I'm simply pointing that out.
And as already noted: there is most certainly a segment of real, live 0bama voters who cast their votes because of their hatred of America. You may not like that fact much - I don't - but it's a fact nonetheless.
276 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:11:08am |
re: #251 soxfan4life
I'm sure we can count on continued silence from our Nobel Peace prize winner on this subject.
Yeah, and State Department defunding of human rights organisations within Iran.
There are perfectly legitimate criticisms to be making of Obama, and of Democrats. Like the above.
277 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:11:10am |
re: #253 MandyManners
Oh, I don't want to look all of them up.
re: #254 MandyManners
THAT'S THE POINT!
Your darn right it is! We're still waitn' for you to show us your boo...
Wait, what's with the spiked club!?! Just... just put it down, no one needs to get hurt here, it was just a simple misunderstanding. I just wanted to have a look at your.. erm... booze. Yeah, that's it.
278 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:11:15am |
re: #268 Fenway_Nation
A sermon centered on "Gawd Damn America!" the week after 9/11 was just taken out of context.
Gotchya.
I'd hoped not to remember that again.
279 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:11:58am |
re: #267 iceweasel
But which you defended above, curiously enough.
Nonsense. Do we really need to cut and paste statements that are only a few paragraphs above?
280 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:12:04am |
re: #274 Fenway_Nation
Don't fucking patronize me. The sermon was about how America deserved 9/11.
I'm not patronizing you. But that isn't exactly what the sermon was about.
I'm in no mood to be talking about the Jeremiah Wright bullshit though.
281 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:12:51am |
re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar
You watch Fringe?
No but, I've read enough David Icke and his ilk to know what's been brewing in their fevered, fetid brains for years. This shit didn't get started with the BHO presidency.
282 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:12:53am |
re: #275 SixDegrees
And as already noted: there is most certainly a segment of real, live 0bama voters who cast their votes because of their hatred of America.
Well...that rules out a good chunk of Chicago.
283 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:13:31am |
re: #273 right_wing2
Wright, Mooreon, Soros, and the others I named earlier.
Ayers. Dohrn. Marshall.
284 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:14:01am |
re: #279 SixDegrees
Nonsense. Do we really need to cut and paste statements that are only a few paragraphs above?
Apparently we do. Here you are at 212:
Two separate groups, happily coexisting as subsets of all those who voted for 0bama. The presence of one doesn't negate the presence of the other.
That claim was and is bullshit.
286 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:14:12am |
Gonna go watch the moon blow up!!!
///
287 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:14:32am |
re: #280 iceweasel
Deny. Dodge. Obfuscate. Say it's a non-issue.
Iceweasel moves the goalposts on her terms- iceweasel wins.
288 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:14:56am |
re: #277 Slumbering Behemoth
Oh, I don't want to look all of them up.
re: #254 MandyManners
Your darn right it is! We're still waitn' for you to show us your boo...Wait, what's with the spiked club!?! Just... just put it down, no one needs to get hurt here, it was just a simple misunderstanding. I just wanted to have a look at your.. erm... booze. Yeah, that's it.
I've not flashed my booze at anyone since early college. Back before it was cool.
Hey. I was a pioneer.
291 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:18:01am |
re: #287 Fenway_Nation
Deny. Dodge. Obfuscate. Say it's a non-issue.
Iceweasel moves the goalposts on her terms- iceweasel wins.
Rubbish. You made a ridiculous and hyperbolic statement, which I took to be about people who voted for Obama. Fine, if that is NOT what you meant, good.
However, you were are and are wrong to assert that 'all the people who hated america wanted Obama to win'. I've provided you evidence that Al Q wanted McCain to win.
Yet you are so blinded by Obama-hate this morning that you won't back down at all and want to cling to this ridiculous statement.
Now, i like you fenway, and I don't especially want to be fighting with you or indeed anyone this morning. So perhaps we should drop this.
292 | Summer Seale Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:18:07am |
Perhaps we should lobby for Obama to get sainthood from the Catholic church so that he can finally be declared a sitting God in our midst.
And then, on bended knee, the Pope can present him with the golden laurels as Obama is bidden to take them and crown himself Emperor.
293 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:18:14am |
Pres. Reagan deserved the prize for taking down the leading cause of war in the latter half of the 20th Century: U.S.S.R..
294 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:18:42am |
295 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:18:44am |
re: #284 iceweasel
That claim was and is bullshit.
I'm afraid it isn't a claim, and it isn't bullshit. It's simply a fact. The Venn Diagram involved would consist of a large circle representing the set of all 0bama voters; a smaller circle contained within it consisting of those who voted for 0bama because they felt his victory would best bring about the destruction of America; and another circle contained within it representing those who cast their vote for other reasons.
The subset of those who voted for destructive reasons exists. Sorry you don't care for that unpleasant bit of reality, but there it is.
296 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:19:40am |
re: #288 MandyManners
I've not flashed my booze at anyone since early college. Back before it was cool.
Hey. I was a pioneer.
OK, I need another shower now. A cold one, this time.
297 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:20:22am |
re: #288 MandyManners
Why do I always miss the awesome stuff? I was probably on a beer run that could have waited just two seconds more.
/
298 | bloodnok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:20:53am |
re: #287 Fenway_Nation
Deny. Dodge. Obfuscate. Say it's a non-issue.
Iceweasel moves the goalposts on her terms- iceweasel wins.
Fenway, you are wrong about the Wright quote. She'sjust trying to be nice to you about it. The "America" quote was NOT from the week after 9/11. It was from 2003 and the sermon was not about deserving the attack. You are thinking of the "chickens" sound byte. Please look into these things before you accuse people of obfuscating.
I'm not defending Wright by any means. Just pointing out the error you are making, which is an understandable one.
299 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:21:00am |
re: #291 iceweasel
And you totally ignored the fact that 0bama...um...repeatedly promised to set Al Qaeda operatives free as part of his campaign promises.
That's if they werent being sent to some country-club prison in Palau or the Bahamas...or sent to detention facilities in the continental United States where they'd be afforded the same rights as a motorist pulled over for a broken tail light.
300 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:21:13am |
re: #295 SixDegrees
Would that be a bit like a large circle of people who are tall, with smaller circles of tall people who are basketball players, who are pro wrestlers and who are politicians, etc?
301 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:21:22am |
re: #295 SixDegrees
I'm afraid it isn't a claim, and it isn't bullshit. It's simply a fact. The Venn Diagram involved would consist of a large circle representing the set of all 0bama voters; a smaller circle contained within it consisting of those who voted for 0bama because they felt his victory would best bring about the destruction of America; and another circle contained within it representing those who cast their vote for other reasons.
The subset of those who voted for destructive reasons exists. Sorry you don't care for that unpleasant bit of reality, but there it is.
Rubbish.
And I'm exceptionally bored with people typing a zero in for the O in Obama. Can't the ODS sufferers come up with some wittier nicknames?
302 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:22:56am |
re: #298 bloodnok
OK...thought it was the other way around.
The "chickens" sermon wasn't much better.
303 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:23:07am |
re: #300 right_wing2
Would that be a bit like a large circle of people who are tall, with smaller circles of tall people who are basketball players, who are pro wrestlers and who are politicians, etc?
Similar, yes. The issue of whether those smaller subsets overlap, are contained within one another or are wholly separate hasn't yet been addressed, and needn't be in the context of the issue under discussion.
304 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:23:12am |
re: #301 iceweasel
Head nitwit? Jackass in Chief? An oldie but a goodie- the Obamessiah?
305 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:23:26am |
re: #299 Fenway_Nation
And you totally ignored the fact that 0bama...um...repeatedly promised to set Al Qaeda operatives free as part of his campaign promises.
That's if they werent being sent to some country-club prison in Palau or the Bahamas...or sent to detention facilities in the continental United States where they'd be afforded the same rights as a motorist pulled over for a broken tail light.
Fenway, if you INSIST on having this discussion, Obama wanted to close Guantanamo and release people some of whom have never been charged with anything, let alone convicted. Not 'Al Qaeda operatives'.
Blame the Bush admin for not prosecuting them and bungling the evidence gathering so badly.
306 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:23:37am |
re: #301 iceweasel
Rubbish.
And I'm exceptionally bored with people typing a zero in for the O in Obama. Can't the ODS sufferers come up with some wittier nicknames?
Hussein Dolt.
307 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:23:47am |
re: #304 right_wing2
Head nitwit? Jackass in Chief? An oldie but a goodie- the Obamessiah?
Anything. I'm cool with the variety.
308 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:24:46am |
re: #301 iceweasel
Rubbish.
And I'm exceptionally bored with people typing a zero in for the O in Obama. Can't the ODS sufferers come up with some wittier nicknames?
No, it really isn't rubbish. It's a simple statement of fact. You may not like it, but there it is.
As for the zero, I'll respond with a single word: shrub.
And note that you're trying to talk about something else.
309 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:25:01am |
re: #305 iceweasel
Fenway, if you INSIST on having this discussion, Obama wanted to close Guantanamo and release people some of whom have never been charged with anything, let alone convicted. Not 'Al Qaeda operatives'.
Blame the Bush admin for not prosecuting them and bungling the evidence gathering so badly.
And not having the soldiers from the 10th Mountain Division fucking mirandize them in the middle of a firefight, too...
310 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:25:48am |
The rage is exceptionally strong this morning. I guess that Nobel prize is really pissing people off.
311 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:26:54am |
re: #310 iceweasel
The rage is exceptionally strong this morning. I guess that Nobel prize is really pissing people off.
Well, on your part it is, anyway. I'm not feeling any, myself. But virtual upding for another attempt to change the topic.
312 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:27:05am |
re: #308 SixDegrees
No, it really isn't rubbish. It's a simple statement of fact. You may not like it, but there it is.
As for the zero, I'll respond with a single word: shrub.
And note that you're trying to talk about something else.
Actually, it appears all teh sufferers of ODS are desperately trying to talk about something else. Wright! michael moore! Gitmo! This one guy i talked to one time who sez he hated America and that's why he voted for Obama I swear!
Pathetic.
313 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:27:07am |
re: #310 iceweasel
The rage is exceptionally strong this morning. I guess that Nobel prize is really pissing people off.
I'm pissed.
314 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:28:18am |
re: #310 iceweasel
And just think, the discussions here at LGF will be among the more reasonable ones across the 'net today...
315 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:28:34am |
Jeez, who knew you had to do nothing to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Hilarious.
316 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:29:09am |
re: #312 iceweasel
Actually, it appears all teh sufferers of ODS are desperately trying to talk about something else. Wright! michael moore! Gitmo!
So discussing Hussein Dolt's supporters is off-topic and verboten?
317 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:29:17am |
re: #312 iceweasel
Actually, it appears all teh sufferers of ODS are desperately trying to talk about something else. Wright! michael moore! Gitmo! This one guy i talked to one time who sez he hated America and that's why he voted for Obama I swear!
Pathetic.
Actually, those examples are entirely valid within the topic under discussion.
318 | Summer Seale Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:30:10am |
re: #310 iceweasel
The rage is exceptionally strong this morning. I guess that Nobel prize is really pissing people off.
I'm not enraged. I'm just stunned at the stupidity of it. And Obama may be narcissistic, but I don't think his ego is so large as to veer into the realm of insanity. I don't think he ever thought this would happen right now, and he's probably thinking that the Nobel Committee is full of wishy-washy idiots. He's also probably thinking that it may very well be a bad thing because he's having enough trouble with the insane right as it is without giving them more ammo to libel him.
Quite honestly, I just think this whole thing is an incredibly huge farce, and that Obama is probably fairly aware of just how stupid it looks right now.
319 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:30:16am |
re: #314 freetoken
And just think, the discussions here at LGF will be among the more reasonable ones across the 'net today...
Seriously. I think this may be one of the days where I hang out in the progsphere.
And that crazy Malkin piece about Obama art was number one on memeorandum this morning still.
320 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:30:28am |
Only in America do the 'patriots' cheer at bad news such as losing the Olympics, and decry good news such as the President winning an international award.
Oh well. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the tears of petulant impotent wingnut rage.
321 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:30:36am |
re: #315 Leonidas Hoplite
Jeez, who knew you had to do nothing to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. Hilarious.
A basket full of hope and a pocket full of change.
322 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:30:54am |
re: #318 Summer
I'm not enraged. I'm just stunned at the stupidity of it. And Obama may be narcissistic, but I don't think his ego is so large as to veer into the realm of insanity. I don't think he ever thought this would happen right now, and he's probably thinking that the Nobel Committee is full of wishy-washy idiots. He's also probably thinking that it may very well be a bad thing because he's having enough trouble with the insane right as it is without giving them more ammo to libel him.
Quite honestly, I just think this whole thing is an incredibly huge farce, and that Obama is probably fairly aware of just how stupid it looks right now.
Updinged and quoted for truth.
323 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:32:42am |
re: #320 negativ
Only in America do the 'patriots' cheer at bad news such as losing the Olympics.
OK...I'll play your stupid little game.
Why do you hate Brazilians so much?
325 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:32:46am |
re: #320 negativ
Only in America do the 'patriots' cheer at bad news such as losing the Olympics, and decry good news such as the President winning an international award.
Oh well. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the tears of petulant impotent wingnut rage.
The party of America, Fuck Yeah! has turned into the party of Fuck America, Yeah!
And I agree. The tomato plant of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with teh tears of wingnuts and the butthurt, it seems.
326 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:33:43am |
Uh... this looks to me to illustrate a fact...
The plaudit appeared to be a slap at President George W. Bush from a committee that harshly criticized Obama's predecessor for resorting to largely unilateral military action in the wake of the Sept. 11 terror attacks.
Wasn't about Obama.
BDS thrives.
327 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:33:45am |
I wish MSNBC, Fox and CNN would lose the large crawls at the bottom of their screens. Very distracting.
328 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:33:48am |
The wingularity has been breached.
329 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:34:14am |
re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Uh... this looks to me to illustrate a fact...
Wasn't about Obama.BDS thrives.
Good catch.
330 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:34:17am |
331 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:34:30am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Watching the Moon get bombed.
OMG! Quick! Is it to late to revoke teH peace prize?
332 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:34:50am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Watching the Moon get bombed.
See anything? We're blanketed with overcast here, which is utterly normal whenever an astronomical event of interest takes place.
334 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:36:25am |
The committee chairman said after awarding the 2002 prize to former Democratic President Jimmy Carter, for his mediation in international conflicts, that it should be seen as a "kick in the leg" to the Bush administration's hard line in the buildup to the Iraq war.
Am I seeing a theme?
335 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:36:32am |
re: #326 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Uh... this looks to me to illustrate a fact...
Wasn't about Obama.
BDS thrives.
Yup. See my earlier reference to Thomas Sowell's article on Carter's prize, which appears to have been awarded for similar reasons.
336 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:37:25am |
337 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:37:26am |
Five years later, the committee honored Bush's adversary in the 2000 presidential election, Al Gore, for his campaign to raise awareness about global warming.
De Doo Doo Doo
De Dah Dah Dah
That's all I want to say to you...
338 | Altermite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:38:03am |
the only possible explanation I can think of would be the reduction of armaments in poland. And I don't think that has even happened yet.
339 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:38:13am |
It's been a day. I'm smashed, Lizards. Later.
/and remember, balloons are evil.
340 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:38:22am |
Reading downarticle and it appears conservatism is everything Ted Kennedy warned us about regarding Bork, which is no longer a surprise.
/also good evening
341 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:38:29am |
C'mon and tell me it wasn't about Bush.
They're not sure who nominated him...
Any ideas?
342 | Capitalist Tool Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:38:33am |
re: #281 MandyManners
No but, I've read enough David Icke and his ilk to know what's been brewing in their fevered, fetid brains for years. This shit didn't get started with the BHO presidency.
You read David Icke? I prefer Steven Wright
344 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:39:47am |
re: #338 Altermite
the only possible explanation I can think of would be the reduction of armaments in poland. And I don't think that has even happened yet.
The nomination's deadline was 10 days after he took office.
345 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:39:56am |
re: #328 Jimmah
The wingularity has been breached.
hey tovarisch Jimmah! Who knew how useful these vids would be?
I see we have a comment on it now:
I love this. Glen Beck is a goon who deserves the treatment he gets here.
Heh.
346 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:40:56am |
re: #320 negativ
It'd be one thing if The Chosen One was WORTHY of winning the Nobel Prize. But the man has no clue what he's doing. It's simply the fact that he's not Bush.
As far as the Olympics go, I'm just celebrating the fact that the IOC snubbed HIM, not America. The President, ANY President, needs to focus on running the country, not getting the Olympics here.
347 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:42:02am |
re: #340 lazardo
Reading downarticle and it appears conservatism is everything Ted Kennedy warned us about regarding Bork, which is no longer a surprise.
/also good evening
Have you actually read Robert Bork's own words? Slouching towards Gomorrah is a good read. I don't agree with everything he writes but, it's certainly through-provoking.
348 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:42:12am |
re: #341 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
C'mon and tell me it wasn't about Bush.
They're not sure who nominated him...
Any ideas?
Qualified Nominators
The right to submit proposals for the Nobel Peace Prize shall, by statute, be enjoyed by:
1. Members of national assemblies and governments of states;
2. Members of international courts;
3. University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes;
4. Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
5. Board members of organizations who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
6. Active and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (proposals by members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after February 1) and
7. Former advisers appointed by the Norwegian Nobel Institute.
350 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:43:01am |
re: #344 MandyManners
The nomination's deadline was 10 days after he took office.
No. Freakin'. Way. This is even more hilriously stupid than I thought! I'm beaming like a Chesire Cat.
I'm happy this happened - it softens the blow of the Red Sox loss last night.
351 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:43:04am |
re: #347 MandyManners
I didn't say it was true about Bork. Supreme Court Justices are usually a lot more 'thorough' than their Congressional and pundit counterparts.
352 | Altermite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:43:24am |
re: #344 MandyManners
The nomination's deadline was 10 days after he took office.
wow
Looking on facebook, everyone seems to think its silly. even self identified 'the most liberal biddies'
353 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:43:27am |
354 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:43:32am |
re: #342 Capitalist Tool
You read David Icke? I prefer Steven Wright
My laughter at Wright is genuine while that at Icke is laden with incredulity and discomfort.
355 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:43:53am |
Obama wouldn't have been my first choice for the nobel peace prize, but I don't see it as anything to get upset about. But then I don't hate Obama with every fibre of my being.
356 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:44:00am |
re: #350 Leonidas Hoplite
No. Freakin'. Way. This is even more hilriously stupid than I thought! I'm beaming like a Chesire Cat.
I'm happy this happened - it softens the blow of the Red Sox loss last night.
Way.
357 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:44:32am |
re: #351 lazardo
I didn't say it was true about Bork. Supreme Court Justices are usually a lot more 'thorough' than their Congressional and pundit counterparts.
He never made it to the court.
358 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:44:36am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Watching the Moon get bombed.
359 | Steffan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:44:51am |
OK, I admit I'm coming in very late to this, but to quote Slim Pickens in "Blazing Saddles":
"What in the wide wide world of sports is a-goin' on here?"
The anti-vaccination people seem to have a death wish for themselves and their children.
If they want to die for their cause, fine. If they want to sacrifice their children to the cause, well, that's what CPS is *supposed* to deal with.
Either way, I wish them ill.
360 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:44:52am |
re: #344 MandyManners
The nomination's deadline was 10 days after he took office.
Great catch...
Neener Bush Neener Bush Neener Bush Neener Bush Neener Bush...
Perhaps he'll pour the reward money into TARP?
361 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:44:58am |
re: #352 Altermite
wow
Looking on facebook, everyone seems to think its silly. even self identified 'the most liberal biddies'
Many people know a put-up job when they see one.
362 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:45:43am |
re: #355 Jimmah
I might sit down for a beer with The One- he's probably an ok guy to do that with. I DO hate what he stands for, though, and what I firmly believe he wants to do TO (not for) America.
363 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:46:00am |
364 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:46:18am |
re: #355 Jimmah
Obama wouldn't have been my first choice for the nobel peace prize, but I don't see it as anything to get upset about. But then I don't hate Obama with every fibre of my being.
Exactly. It's silly he got it, but the forthcoming wingnut rage will be sillier.
In any case it's been a joke since Arafat got it, as you observed to me earlier, comrade Jimmah.
365 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:46:37am |
re: #350 Leonidas Hoplite
No. Freakin'. Way. This is even more hilriously stupid than I thought! I'm beaming like a Chesire Cat.
I'm happy this happened - it softens the blow of the Red Sox loss last night.
That's 4 hours of my life that I'm never getting back.
366 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:46:46am |
re: #359 Steffan
OK, I admit I'm coming in very late to this, but to quote Slim Pickens in "Blazing Saddles":
"What in the wide wide world of sports is a-goin' on here?"
The anti-vaccination people seem to have a death wish for themselves and their children.
If they want to die for their cause, fine. If they want to sacrifice their children to the cause, well, that's what CPS is *supposed* to deal with.
Either way, I wish them ill.
Send the state into their homes and seize their kids?!
367 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:47:06am |
re: #350 Leonidas Hoplite
No. Freakin'. Way. This is even more hilriously stupid than I thought! I'm beaming like a Chesire Cat.
I'm happy this happened - it softens the blow of the Red Sox loss last night.
Way.
In the absence of any actual accomplishments, this award follows in what's become a tradition of awarding the Peace Prize as a political slap at those the committee disagrees with, more than as an acknowledgment of any real, positive action.
368 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:47:25am |
re: #360 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Great catch...
Neener Bush Neener Bush Neener Bush Neener Bush Neener Bush...
Perhaps he'll pour the reward money into TARP?
I heard on Fox that it was two weeks but a Lizard pointed out that it was 10 days.
369 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:48:42am |
370 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:48:56am |
re: #357 MandyManners
Supreme Court Justices and respective candidates. PIMF. @_@
Also, David Icke's bit about transforming reptile-people running the world never fails to make me giggle.
372 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:50:51am |
re: #369 Jimmah
I kind of had an idea they would be pretty darned useful. :)
Hee. You're reminding me of our plot. Must get to work on that...
373 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:50:58am |
re: #368 MandyManners
The extra 4 days would've made a difference?
374 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:51:26am |
re: #349 right_wing2
I'm just not convinced that conservatism (regardless of party affiliation) has actually done anything positive in recent American history is all.
375 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:51:46am |
re: #365 Fenway_Nation
That's 4 hours of my life that I'm never getting back.
Yeah, and throw in the utterly unproductive day I'll put in at work today...
376 | Capitalist Tool Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:52:17am |
re: #354 MandyManners
My laughter at Wright is genuine while that at Icke is laden with incredulity and discomfort.
Good point.
Icke's so out there that he might engender more "discomfort" than scorn and contempt. In the manner of discomfort when confronted by an institutionalized crazy man.
377 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:52:47am |
re: #364 iceweasel
Exactly. It's silly he got it, but the forthcoming wingnut rage will be sillier.
In any case it's been a joke since Arafat got it, as you observed to me earlier, comrade Jimmah.
Yep. That's why I am a little bit surprised that some people are taking this so badly, ice-ski. It's already devalued.
378 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:53:22am |
re: #370 lazardo
Supreme Court Justices and respective candidates. PIMF. @_@
Also, David Icke's bit about transforming reptile-people running the world never fails to make me giggle.
Wow. It has a big di er...tail.
379 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:53:45am |
380 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:53:49am |
re: #374 lazardo
I think I understand your sentiment. Some people may not think of the "neoliberalism" of Bill Clinton as "conservative", but it was perhaps the last major way to accomplish anything constructive, in Clinton's case it was welfare reform.
381 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:53:57am |
re: #339 Slumbering Behemoth
It's been a day. I'm smashed, Lizards. Later.
/and remember, balloons are evil.
That reminds me - where's my Zardoz floating head hot air balloon?
382 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:54:15am |
re: #378 MandyManners
Wow. It has a big di er...tail.
That's what I was thinking when I drew that way back when, too. Then I remembered that reptiles have...shall we say, natural holsters.
383 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:54:25am |
re: #374 lazardo
I'm just not convinced that conservatism (regardless of party affiliation) has actually done anything positive in recent American history is all.
Defeating the Soviet Union was not positive?
384 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:56:02am |
re: #376 Capitalist Tool
Good point.
Icke's so out there that he might engender more "discomfort" than scorn and contempt. In the manner of discomfort when confronted by an institutionalized crazy man.
When he goes on about habitual sexual assault of children by wealthy and powerful people... He also had a video of a woman who talked about it at length.
385 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:56:20am |
re: #380 freetoken
I can understand fiscal conservatism in a time of reckless spending (at least the Republicans got that right in 1990s Congress), and smaller more efficient government as libertarianism (lowercase 'l', mind) where bureaucracy and corruption rules, but conservatism-in-general has left a legacy of things like the Dixiecrats, among others.
386 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:56:49am |
re: #380 freetoken
I think I understand your sentiment. Some people may not think of the "neoliberalism" of Bill Clinton as "conservative", but it was perhaps the last major way to accomplish anything constructive, in Clinton's case it was welfare reform.
Didn't the Republican-controlled Congress shove that down Clinton's throat?
387 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:57:12am |
re: #382 lazardo
That's what I was thinking when I drew that way back when, too. Then I remembered that reptiles have...shall we say, natural holsters.
What?
388 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:57:15am |
re: #383 MandyManners
It was bipartisan, IIRC. Reagan had Democratic congresses pretty much through his entire two terms.
389 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:58:11am |
re: #386 MandyManners
Didn't the Republican-controlled Congress shove that down Clinton's throat?
IIRC, took 4 tries.
390 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:58:28am |
re: #386 MandyManners
Well, Clinton was a member of the SLC, which was a stronghold of neoliberal economic thought. Also, there was not a veto-proof majority in the Senate. I think it is fair to say that Gingrich and Clinton worked together on that one.
391 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 4:58:45am |
re: #385 lazardo
I can understand fiscal conservatism in a time of reckless spending (at least the Republicans got that right in 1990s Congress), and smaller more efficient government as libertarianism (lowercase 'l', mind) where bureaucracy and corruption rules, but conservatism-in-general has left a legacy of things like the Dixiecrats, among others.
This sounds more like classical conservatism as opposed to the modern or contemporary variety, which is more akin to classical liberalism.
393 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:00:33am |
re: #374 lazardo
Depends on how recent.
We didn't have what I'd call 'conservatism' under either Bush. Reagan was, & I'd say that was a positive time for America.
OTOH, I can't think of anything positive that liberalism has EVER done for America.
394 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:01:06am |
re: #391 Leonidas Hoplite
I wouldn't know the intricate details of 'classical conservatism,' unfortunately. I actually follow that X-Y Axis system of political theory.
395 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:01:17am |
396 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:01:25am |
re: #388 lazardo
It was bipartisan, IIRC. Reagan had Democratic congresses pretty much through his entire two terms.
Back then there were conservative Democrats.
397 | researchok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:01:58am |
U.S. President Barack Obama is thought to have been nominated but it's unclear on what grounds.
Nobel watchers say he could be a contender for next year's prize, following his lofty call for global nuclear disarmament at the United Nations last month, which came after the nomination deadline for the 2009 prize...
Obama embraced the goal of a nuclear-free world in an agenda-setting speech in April and renewed that commitment as the 15-nation U.N. Security Council last month unanimously approved an ambitious strategy to stop the proliferation of atomic weapons.
"In many ways we have a strong candidate for next year, Obama and other world leaders" who backed the U.N. resolution, said Jan Egeland, director of Oslo's Norwegian Institute of International Affairs. "But too late for this year."
399 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:03:11am |
re: #344 MandyManners
The nomination's deadline was 10 days after he took office.
Well, he's already achieved a "legacy." Now, what's he gonna do for an encore? Too much success early on is a real career killer. Look at all the crappy movies Elijah Wood was in after LOTR.
400 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:03:43am |
re: #393 right_wing2
Late 1800s-early 1900s workers' rights (and I say early 1900s because today's unions aren't very noble in practice), Civil Rights in the 1960s to name the biggest movements.
But I do agree that not every left-winger's intentions were exactly saintly e.g. 1920s-onward Communists and Anarchists.
403 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:05:54am |
re: #399 Alouette
He'll single-handedly end Global Warming, develop pollution-free power sources, end homelessness, hunger and poverty and teach dog & cats, snakes & mongooses (mongeese?) to live in peace & harmony.
404 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:06:19am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Watching the Moon get bombed.
Was just thinking about that. What did it look like?
406 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:08:05am |
Morning everyone. I just heard that 0 won some big award. I think it was the First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.
407 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:08:45am |
re: #406 Mad Al-Jaffee
In other news, Wayland Smithers is devastated. Story at 11.
409 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:09:46am |
re: #407 lazardo
In other news, Wayland Smithers is devastated. Story at 11.
This is Ken Brockman...
410 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:10:38am |
411 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:11:06am |
412 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:11:21am |
413 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:11:22am |
re: #82 Bryntröll
I cant believe this
[Link: aftonbladet.se...]
Obama is getting the Nobel Peace price...
Lech Walesa reportedly said, "So soon? Too early. He has no contribution so far. He is still at an early stage. He is only beginning to act. This is probably an encouragement for him to act. Let's see if he perseveres. Let's give him time to act."
This just about sums it up, in my opinion. I don't know which other candidates were under consideration, but I can only infer that they were wholly unsuitable for the award.
415 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:11:35am |
re: #409 Cannadian Club Akbar
"I for one welcome our lizard overlords"
416 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:12:16am |
re: #411 Mad Al-Jaffee
I mean, "Ha!" at the moon shot. (Dang scrolling spy thing...)
417 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:12:42am |
418 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:13:00am |
419 | Lawrior Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:13:10am |
re: #406 Mad Al-Jaffee
I don't think it was that award, but apparently the criteria are similar.
"Professor, without knowing precisely what the danger is, would you say it's time for our viewers to crack each other's heads open and feast on the goo inside?"
"Yes I would, Kent."
421 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:13:37am |
423 | right_wing2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:13:48am |
re: #413 John Neverbend
So NOBODY was suited for the Nobel Prize, they just decided on Obama by pulling his name out of a hat?
Wish they did that for the World Series- maybe the Cubs would make it.
424 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:14:07am |
re: #324 MandyManners
Watching the Moon get bombed.
Where are you watching it? I can't find anything on NASA TV.
425 | Mike DeGuzman Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:14:17am |
When everything is looking bad for Obama, he wins the Nobel Peace Prize! ACORN got the votes for him!
427 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:14:51am |
428 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:15:24am |
re: #423 right_wing2
So NOBODY was suited for the Nobel Prize, they just decided on Obama by pulling his name out of a hat?
Wish they did that for the World Series- maybe the Cubs would make it.
I'm not saying that. Presumably there were other candidates, but they must have been really unsuitable, as I can't see any reason for giving it to Obama at the moment.
429 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:15:28am |
re: #423 right_wing2
So NOBODY was suited for the Nobel Prize, they just decided on Obama by pulling his name out of a hat?
I'm surprised they didn't give it to Roman Polanski or Michael Jackson.
430 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:18:14am |
re: #429 Mad Al-Jaffee
I'm surprised they didn't give it to Roman Polanski or Michael Jackson.
It can't be awarded posthumously. Polanski will be next year.
431 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:18:48am |
Maybe we can work out some sort of trade with the Canucks while Hussein Dolt's stock is still high.
Stephen Harper and Don Cherry for Hussein Dolt, Nancy Pelosi and a worthless lefty to be named later.
432 | marsl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:20:49am |
Obama and Al Gore. Two Nobel laureates.
Hey, what about Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton? Where are their Prizes? They are people too!
433 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:20:51am |
434 | Lawrior Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:21:29am |
re: #429 Mad Al-Jaffee
Polanski was up for medicine, not peace. He's more qualified for that.
/
435 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:21:37am |
re: #433 Danny
For what?
For his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". Whatever that means.
436 | SeaMonkey Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:21:38am |
They must have given the prize to Obama for closing down Guantanamo, ending extraordinary rendition, and ending our two unwinnable wars.
437 | marsl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:22:02am |
re: #433 Danny
Who cares? He is the ONE. He deserves it... hust for being the ONE.
All hail to the ONE!
438 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:22:07am |
re: #432 marsl
Obama and Al Gore. Two Nobel laureates.
Hey, what about Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton? Where are their Prizes? They are people too!
They get each other.
439 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:22:27am |
re: #432 marsl
Obama and Al Gore. Two Nobel laureates.
Hey, what about Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton? Where are their Prizes? They are people too!
Don't forget Yasser Arafat.
And Jimmy Carter.
It really makes the Clintons look like trailer trash or something, doesn't it?
440 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:22:30am |
re: #435 thedopefishlives
For his "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". Whatever that means.
Ha!
441 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:22:32am |
re: #428 John Neverbend
I'm not saying that. Presumably there were other candidates, but they must have been really unsuitable, as I can't see any reason for giving it to Obama at the moment.
BBC said they had an unusually high level of nominees for it this year.
No-- record level. 205.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
442 | marsl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:24:04am |
Next year the Nobel Peace prize wil go to Osama Bin Laden.
443 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:24:46am |
444 | MandyManners Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:24:50am |
445 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:24:57am |
Given the history of the Nobel Peace Prize - Yasser Arafat, seriously? - I can't really think of it as a prestigious award anymore. In fact, I hope I never do anything that would merit my earning the award, because that would mean I'm doing something wrong.
446 | marsl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:25:21am |
Dinnerjacket wants the Nobel too.
Hey, he will end the israeli-palestinian conflict... by nuking both.
448 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:26:18am |
re: #442 marsl
Next year the Nobel Peace prize wil go to Osama Bin Laden.
Probably too over the top even for the Nobel committee. Not to mention that the award can't be made posthumously.
Now, Mullah Omar, on the other hand...
449 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:26:50am |
450 | marsl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:27:30am |
re: #448 SixDegrees
Or why not to all muslims? After all, their religion is a religion of peace...
451 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:27:45am |
This is not because I am a tremendous "W" fan, but I firmly believe that he deserved international acclaim for all he did for the continent of Africa.
He got the crickets.
452 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:28:07am |
No one knows for sure, but these were the people who were rumored to be on the Nobel committee's list of nominees as well.
I don't think the Nobel Committee did Obama any favors here. It'll make the far right angrier at home, it'll make a lot of voters raise their eyebrows and think what we've been thinking - why did he get it for doing so little?, and when he does have to make a tough decision that will involve protecting US interests abroad - and I can't imagine that he'll be able to avoid that all the time - there will be lots of anger from the people who think he should be living up to the Nobel ideals.
453 | JRCMYP Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:28:54am |
From the Boston Globe today. Sorry, I didn't grab the URL. Might explain why he was nominated and awarded the prize:
--
-- Myth: The prize is awarded to recognize efforts for peace, human rights and democracy only after they have proven successful.More often, the prize is awarded to encourage those who receive it to see the effort through, sometimes at critical moments.
455 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:30:38am |
re: #452 arethusa
No one knows for sure, but these were the people who were rumored to be on the Nobel committee's list of nominees as well.
I don't think the Nobel Committee did Obama any favors here. It'll make the far right angrier at home, it'll make a lot of voters raise their eyebrows and think what we've been thinking - why did he get it for doing so little?, and when he does have to make a tough decision that will involve protecting US interests abroad - and I can't imagine that he'll be able to avoid that all the time - there will be lots of anger from the people who think he should be living up to the Nobel ideals.
Personally, I think the last two on that list are far more deserving than Mr. Obama, assuming it is accurate
456 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:30:44am |
Here is the full press release from the The Norwegian Nobel Committee.
The Nobel Peace Prize for 2009
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama's vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.
Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama's initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.
Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population.
For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world's leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama's appeal that "Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges."
Oslo, October 9, 2009
===
In line with Walesa (and Desmond Tutu), the director of the Middle East Center at Oxford University, Eugene Rogan, said, "No doubt the Nobel committee hopes the award will enhance his moral authority to advance the cause of peace while he's still president."
If that is the case, and I believe that the Nobel Prize Committee may well have been thinking along those lines, the Peace Prize is clearly awarded in a very different manner from the other prizes which look at past achievement, not potential future achievement.
If Obama makes concrete progress with Iran and is demonstrably responsible for a future peace treaty between Israel and her enemies, the prize will certainly have been justified. I do not believe this will happen.
457 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:30:58am |
re: #383 MandyManners
Defeating the Soviet Union was not positive?
The Soviet Union collapsed on itself. Plus, capitalism, not conservatism/republicanism was more of a damaging counterforce.
458 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:31:49am |
re: #454 Spare O'Lake
Is it just me, or did anyone else wonder what kind of cross that is in the foreground of the photo at the top of this thread?
BWAHAHAHAHAHA
Good Morning LGF.
I think it's the Cross of Flipper.
459 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:32:44am |
re: #456 John Neverbend
with emphasis on the role that the United Nations...
Thank goodness for the United Nations.
460 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:33:13am |
Anybody else getting those sidebar ads that say 'Hugh Downs Reports on artery-clearing breakthrough from Nobel Prize winning scientist'
Is there anything President 0bama can't do?///
461 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:33:33am |
re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thank goodness for the United Nations.
I say that every night before I go to bed.
//
462 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:33:48am |
re: #452 arethusa
No one knows for sure, but these were the people who were rumored to be on the Nobel committee's list of nominees as well.
When was Obama nominated? I heard that his name may have gone forward in February. Is that really possible, after a month in office?
463 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:34:06am |
re: #452 arethusa
No one knows for sure, but these were the people who were rumored to be on the Nobel committee's list of nominees as well.
I don't think the Nobel Committee did Obama any favors here. It'll make the far right angrier at home, it'll make a lot of voters raise their eyebrows and think what we've been thinking - why did he get it for doing so little?, and when he does have to make a tough decision that will involve protecting US interests abroad - and I can't imagine that he'll be able to avoid that all the time - there will be lots of anger from the people who think he should be living up to the Nobel ideals.
The far right gets angry if he chooses the wrong breakfast cereal. I don't think Nobel or Obama cares too much what they think anymore. They've proven to be an unreliable reflection pool of reality.
464 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:34:32am |
Good morning lizards. I woke up to the news of Obama's new award. We must be close to having peace in our time!
465 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:34:38am |
re: #462 John Neverbend
When was Obama nominated? I heard that his name may have gone forward in February. Is that really possible, after a month in office?
12 days. I said 11 earlier.
466 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:35:20am |
re: #464 njdhockeyfan
Good morning lizards. I woke up to the news of Obama's new award. We must be close to having peace in our time!
I hope not. Didn't work out to well last time.
467 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:35:43am |
re: #459 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thank goodness for the United Nations.
I have a very different view from the Nobel Committee as to the utility of the United Nations.
468 | butterick Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:36:17am |
469 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:36:29am |
re: #467 John Neverbend
I have a very different view from the Nobel Committee as to the utility of the United Nations.
Funny - the UN won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2001. No wonder they like each other so much!
470 | researchok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:36:36am |
From CNN reader in Tehran:
"If Obama deserves the Noble Peace Prize then so does every Miss America contestant who babbles about world peace."
471 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:37:04am |
472 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:37:28am |
re: #457 ohpleaseno
The Soviet Union collapsed on itself. Plus, capitalism, not conservatism/republicanism was more of a damaging counterforce.
so...Reagan deserves no credit for what he did, but Ob-ma gets credit for doing nothing...that is some amazing spin...
474 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:38:16am |
475 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:38:49am |
re: #463 ohpleaseno
The far right gets angry if he chooses the wrong breakfast cereal. I don't think Nobel or Obama cares too much what they think anymore. They've proven to be an unreliable reflection pool of reality.
Good observations, though they may go down hard for a few people here.
477 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:39:18am |
re: #470 researchok
They didnt block CNN in Tehran?
/maybe 'cause CNN's on the same side as the mullahs?
478 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:39:52am |
re: #472 charpete67
so...Reagan deserves no credit for what he did, but Ob-ma gets credit for doing nothing...that is some amazing spin...
The old lib memes are alive and well.
479 | yesandno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:40:18am |
Wonder what Bill Clinton is thinking right now?
480 | Fenway_Nation Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:42:21am |
re: #479 yesandno
'Wonder if there's any more hot Asian chicks I could spring from prison camp'
481 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:42:26am |
re: #462 John Neverbend
When was Obama nominated? I heard that his name may have gone forward in February. Is that really possible, after a month in office?
It was more like two weeks after the inauguration. That was the deadline for nominations.
The award is much more clearly seen as a slap at Bush than as an accolade for 0bama, who has so far done essentially nothing that would merit such consideration. This is very similar to the Carter award.
482 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:42:59am |
re: #479 yesandno
"Would you look at the ass on her. Damn, I'd like to break me off a piece of that. This McMuffin is fantastic."
483 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:43:02am |
re: #469 arethusa
Funny - the UN won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2001. No wonder they like each other so much!
By the way, I may be wrong about posthumously awarding the Peace Prize, as Dag Hammarskjöld received it after he died.
Several UN organizations have received it, including the UN Peace-Keeping Forces in 1988. Arafat received it in 1994. Jimmy Carter got it in 2002. The IAEA and Mohamed El Baradei got it in 2005.
484 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:43:15am |
485 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:44:33am |
re: #483 John Neverbend
By the way, I may be wrong about posthumously awarding the Peace Prize, as Dag Hammarskjöld received it after he died.
Several UN organizations have received it, including the UN Peace-Keeping Forces in 1988. Arafat received it in 1994. Jimmy Carter got it in 2002. The IAEA and Mohamed El Baradei got it in 2005.
I'm not sure I'd want to be included in that class of honoree's...
486 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:45:00am |
re: #480 Fenway_Nation
'Wonder if there's any more hot Asian chicks I could spring from prison camp'
Perhaps by sheer coincidence, the President of the country I'm in went to college with Bill Clinton. SPRING BREEAAAK!
/because there's no shortage of criticism of the President over here. q;
487 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:45:12am |
re: #472 charpete67
so...Reagan deserves no credit for what he did, but Ob-ma gets credit for doing nothing...that is some amazing spin...
I never said that Reagen deserves no credit, but I don't think conservatism as a philosophy should get top billing vs. capitalism as an overwhelming market force when we look at the collapse of the Soviet Union.
488 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:45:39am |
If BHO has any, and I mean ANY, sense of humility, he should refuse this and ask the Nobel Committee to give it to someone who has accomplished something. Like little Timmy here, who helped a little old lady cross the street.
I was thinking of putting a "/sarc off" here, but i can't tell if i should...
489 | yesandno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:46:22am |
Now he and MLK are equal...///
Not sure if this is a case of raising the bar or lowering the flag.
490 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:46:31am |
re: #487 ohpleaseno
My personal take is that Reagan spent them into oblivion. Almost took us there too, but we came out of it.
491 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:46:48am |
re: #483 John Neverbend
Here's a list going back 30 years of Peace Prize winners. I would not want to have my name on the same list as some of these folks. Fortunately there is no chance of that!
2009: U.S. President Barack Obama
2008: Martti Ahtisaari
2007: Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Al Gore
2006: Muhammad Yunus, Grameen Bank
2005: International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei
2004: Wangari Maathai
2003: Shirin Ebadi
2002: Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter
2001: United Nations, Kofi Annan
2000: Kim Dae-jung
1999: Medecins Sans Frontieres
1998: John Hume, David Trimble
1997: International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams
1996: Carlos Filipe Ximenes Belo, Jose Ramos-Horta
1995: Joseph Rotblat, Pugwash Conferences on Science and World Affairs
1994: Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin
1993: Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk
1992: Rigoberta Menchu Tum
1991: Aung San Suu Kyi
1990: Mikhail Gorbachev
1989: The 14th Dalai Lama
1988: U.N. Peacekeeping Forces
1987: Oscar Arias Sanchez
1986: Elie Wiesel
1985: International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War
1984: Desmond Tutu
1983: Lech Walesa
1982: Alva Myrdal, Alfonso Garcia Robles
1981: Office of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees
1980: Adolfo Perez Esquivel
492 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:47:09am |
re: #490 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Reagan and others, that is...
493 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:48:44am |
re: #487 ohpleaseno
I never said that Reagen deserves no credit, but I don't think conservatism as a philosophy should get top billing vs. capitalism as an overwhelming market force when we look at the collapse of the Soviet Union.
you said "conservatism/republicanism was more of a damaging counterforce"...I take that to mean that since Reagan was president, he did more harm than good...it would be hard to see how you are assigning any credit to him.
494 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:48:46am |
This Nobel Peace prize needs to be renamed.
Perhaps the Nobel Talks About Peace prize?
495 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:48:55am |
re: #490 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Economy used as a weapon of war. Who'd have thunk it?
496 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:49:15am |
BTW, the Nobel Prize organization web site must be swamped right now... I can't get in... wanted to look at TR's acceptance speech.
498 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:49:56am |
re: #494 Spare O'Lake
Sounds like a native American name...
499 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:50:15am |
re: #488 crashnburn
If BHO has any, and I mean ANY, sense of humility, he should refuse this and ask the Nobel Committee to give it to someone who has accomplished something. Like little Timmy here, who helped a little old lady cross the street.
I was thinking of putting a "/sarc off" here, but i can't tell if i should...
I've got a bucket of cold water ready for you, whenever you have a moment.
I agree that this would be a wise move. It would boost my opinion of 0bama, and give a much-needed slap to the Peace Prize Committee, which has turned it's award into a laughingstock over the last several years.
500 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:50:19am |
re: #491 arethusa
1979... MOTHER THERESA
Gosh, how long ago did she pass. I still get chills when I even think her name.
501 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:50:33am |
When Gorbachev won the peace prize, someone, I can't remember who and I can't find it on Google, said something like, "It's too bad it wasn't the Nobel prize for economics."
Oh, Obama will be speaking about the prize at 10:30 am according to CNN.
502 | peterb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:50:37am |
I'm very excited by Obama winning the peace prize! I have just checked in a mirror and talked with my attorney, and it turns out that, legally, I am not George Bush either! I am hopeful that next year, the Nobel committee will take my not-George-Bushness into account, and I'll have a sweet $1.4 million to spend on toys! Whooo!
503 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:50:56am |
re: #490 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My personal take is that Reagan spent them into oblivion. Almost took us there too, but we came out of it.
Fair enough. I would accept this analysis long before I would accept that conservatism as a philosophy was the reason for the downfall of the Soviet Union though.
504 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:51:01am |
re: #497 lazardo
Looked him up on Wikipedia, seems decent.
That was definitely someone who deserved it.
505 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:52:22am |
re: #499 SixDegrees
I've got a bucket of cold water ready for you, whenever you have a moment.
I agree that this would be a wise move. It would boost my opinion of 0bama, and give a much-needed slap to the Peace Prize Committee, which has turned it's award into a laughingstock over the last several years.
Agreed. I don't think Obama's ego would allow that though.
506 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:52:47am |
re: #503 ohpleaseno
Fair enough. I would accept this analysis long before I would accept that conservatism as a philosophy was the reason for the downfall of the Soviet Union though.
Think of Conservatism as the strategy, and the threat of spending the Soviets into oblivion as the tactic.
508 | Mike DeGuzman Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:53:17am |
By the way, don't the Nobel Peace Prize comes with a cash award as well? What will he do with the money? Maybe Obama can give his winning to ACORN they sure badly need it!
509 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:53:18am |
re: #502 peterb
Do you mean for your nic to read "Peter B" or a play on "purturb"?
I like your posts and all, just like to pronounce a lizards name in my mind the way that they want it.
510 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:53:22am |
re: #496 freetoken
BTW, the Nobel Prize organization web site must be swamped right now... I can't get in... wanted to look at TR's acceptance speech.
Who is TR?
513 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:53:54am |
re: #505 njdhockeyfan
Agreed. I don't think Obama's ego would allow that though.
Oh, his TelePromptr will tell him to say "I humbly accept this award" That will be the only shot of humility we'll see from this...
514 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:54:19am |
FWIW, here is the telegram TR sent as part of his acceptance of the Peace prize:
"I am profoundly moved and touched by the signal honor shown me through your body in conferring upon me the Nobel Peace Prize. There is no gift I could appreciate more and I wish it were in my power fully to express my gratitude. I thank you for it, and I thank you on behalf of the United States; for what I did, I was able to accomplish only as the representative of the nation of which, for the time being, I am president.
After much thought, I have concluded that the best and most fitting way to apply the amount of the prize is by using it as a foundation to establish at Washington a permanent industrial peace committee. The object will be to strive for better and more equitable relations among my countrymen who are engaged, whether as capitalists or as wage workers, in industrial and agricultural pursuits. This will carry out the purpose of the founder of the prize, for in modern life it is as important to work for the cause of just and righteous peace in the industrial world as in the world of nations.
I again express to you the assurance of my deep and lasting gratitude and appreciation.
Theodore Roosevelt"
Not much there (as far as a speech) for a sitting President. Times were different in those days, I guess.
515 | peterb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:54:30am |
re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It's just "peter b". No double-entendre intended...this time.
516 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:55:02am |
re: #508 Mike DeGuzman
By the way, don't the Nobel Peace Prize comes with a cash award as well? What will he do with the money? Maybe Obama can give his winning to ACORN they sure badly need it!
After all, there are whore house needing to be set up as we speak!
517 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:55:07am |
re: #506 SixDegrees
Think of Conservatism as the strategy, and the threat of spending the Soviets into oblivion as the tactic.
think of how Jimmy Carter dealt with the Soviets vs. how Reagan did...
518 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:55:20am |
re: #509 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Do you mean for your nic to read "Peter B" or a play on "perturb"?
I like your posts and all, just like to pronounce a lizards name in my mind the way that they want it.
I even previewed...PINMFIIAAI!
(preview is not my friend if i am an idiot)
519 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:55:23am |
re: #502 peterb
I'm very excited by Obama winning the peace prize! I have just checked in a mirror and talked with my attorney, and it turns out that, legally, I am not George Bush either! I am hopeful that next year, the Nobel committee will take my not-George-Bushness into account, and I'll have a sweet $1.4 million to spend on toys! Whooo!
It's an amazing coincidence, but I am not George Bush either. Do you think we might be related? Could we split the future prize money?
520 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:55:59am |
521 | SeaMonkey Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:56:00am |
re: #499 SixDegrees
Absolutely -- he should refuse. He's barely begun, and he's fighting two wars. It makes no sense. If there were no other candidates they should not have given the award this year.
522 | Silvergirl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:56:12am |
The CNN poll is surprisingly running against the choice so far.
Was Barack Obama a good choice for Nobel Peace Prize?
Yes 44% 20191
No 56% 25654
523 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:56:26am |
re: #493 charpete67
you said "conservatism/republicanism was more of a damaging counterforce"...I take that to mean that since Reagan was president, he did more harm than good...it would be hard to see how you are assigning any credit to him.
Way to chop up the quote! How about you include the first part of the sentence as well.
Plus, capitalism, not conservatism/republicanism, was more of a damaging counterforce.
Also, I'll add the missing comma to make the sentence grammatically correct and state my initial intent.
You can go back to getting your state to name your coffee cup after Reagan now.
524 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:56:31am |
re: #487 ohpleaseno
I never said that Reagen deserves no credit, but I don't think conservatism as a philosophy should get top billing vs. capitalism as an overwhelming market force when we look at the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Spin it baby!
525 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:57:12am |
re: #519 John Neverbend
It's an amazing coincidence, but I am not George Bush either. Do you think we might be related? Could we split the future prize money?
Don't forget - you've gotta EARN the money with a nice long speech!
526 | peterb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:57:35am |
re: #320 negativ
Only in America do the 'patriots' cheer at bad news such as losing the Olympics, and decry good news such as the President winning an international award.
I don't think you have to be a wingnut to think Obama is a really, really weird choice for this award, because he fundamentally hasn't done anything of import yet.
Note that this isn't a criticism of Obama, but of the committee. I can't think of any American president who would have deserved this prize 8 months into their administration.
527 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:57:47am |
re: #470 researchok
From CNN reader in Tehran:
"If Obama deserves the Noble Peace Prize then so does every Miss America contestant who babbles about world peace."
Next: Obama will be declared the winner of the Miss America Pageant.
528 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:58:08am |
re: #525 arethusa
Don't forget - you've gotta EARN the money with a nice long speech!
Let me be clear...
529 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:58:18am |
re: #501 arethusa
When Gorbachev won the peace prize, someone, I can't remember who and I can't find it on Google, said something like, "It's too bad it wasn't the Nobel prize for economics."
Ah, the irony.
Although the transition from USSR to CIS went off relatively peacefully (given all the weaponry, it could have ended a lot worse) could understandably have made him a nominee. This was already years after Reagan left office, mind.
530 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:58:29am |
re: #527 Alouette
Next: Obama will be declared the winner of the Miss America Pageant.
What about the Oscars? Shouldn't he get one of those?
/
531 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:58:42am |
Does anybody have a link with images of the moon being bombarded? I can't find anything on the web.
532 | Silvergirl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 5:59:04am |
re: #527 Alouette
Next: Obama will be declared the winner of the Miss America Pageant.
He'd have a chance if not for those mom pants.
535 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:00:40am |
re: #527 Alouette
Next: Obama will be declared the winner of the Miss America Pageant.
He'd have an issue with the swimsuit competition. "US Weekly" pictorials of BHO emerging from the surf notwithstanding. Although he might look quite fetching in a one-piece...
536 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:00:51am |
re: #531 John Neverbend
Ah!!
I was right!!
It's CHEDDAR!!
What did I win??
537 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:00:52am |
Woodrow Wilson, the other sitting President to be awarded the Peace prize:
"In accepting the honor of your award I am moved not only by a profound gratitude for the recognition of my [sincere and] earnest efforts in the cause of peace, but also by a very poignant humility before the vastness of the work still called for by this cause.
May I not take this occasion to express my respect for the far-sighted wisdom of the founder in arranging for a continuing system of awards? If there were but one such prize, or if this were to be the last, I could not of course accept it. For mankind has not yet been rid of the unspeakable horror of war. I am convinced that our generation has, despite its wounds, made notable progress. But it is the better part of wisdom to consider our work as one begun. It will be a continuing labor. In the indefinite course of [the] years before us there will be abundant opportunity for others to distinguish themselves in the crusade against hate and fear and war.
There is indeed a peculiar fitness in the grouping of these Nobel rewards. The cause of peace and the cause of truth are of one family. Even as those who love science and devote their lives to physics or chemistry, even as those who would create new and higher ideals for mankind in literature, even so with those who love peace, there is no limit set.
Whatever has been accomplished in the past is petty compared to the glory and promise of the future.
Woodrow Wilson"
538 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:01:17am |
re: #523 ohpleaseno
Also, I'll add the missing comma to make the sentence grammatically correct and state my initial intent.
You can go back to getting your state to name your coffee cup after Reagan now.
Capitalism is conservatism...I'm not sure I see a distinction between the two.
What you're missing is the broader point...you're straining to take credit away from Reagan (however he did it) for no reason. He was by no means perfect, but this is one area that he really deserves credit for. He was the president and stood up to the Soviet's. He restored our country's pride after 12 years of Nixon/Carter.
539 | Silvergirl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:01:22am |
Strange to wake up and find all the news sources turned into The Onion.
540 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:01:40am |
543 | dentate Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:02:05am |
re: #526 peterb
I don't think you have to be a wingnut to think Obama is a really, really weird choice for this award, because he fundamentally hasn't done anything of import yet.
Note that this isn't a criticism of Obama, but of the committee. I can't think of any American president who would have deserved this prize 8 months into their administration.
I don't see what everyone is so puzzled about. Clearly, the committee looked at the Crowley-Gates Beer Summit, the greatest act of reconciliation in our time, and made the appropriate decision.
544 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:02:28am |
re: #537 freetoken
Woodrow Wilson, the other sitting President to be awarded the Peace prize:
Where are the "Pause for applause" notes? This speech is way too short. Can't I pontificate for at least 40 minutes?
545 | Silvergirl Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:02:45am |
re: #543 dentate
I don't see what everyone is so puzzled about. Clearly, the committee looked at the Crowley-Gates Beer Summit, the greatest act of reconciliation in our time, and made the appropriate decision.
Hoot! Good one.
547 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:03:05am |
Will Obama take the $1.2 million prize and give it to a really good charity or will he keep it?
548 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:03:10am |
re: #540 Cannadian Club Akbar
Need to buy some Spicy Mustard Futures...
550 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:03:50am |
re: #543 dentate
I don't see what everyone is so puzzled about. Clearly, the committee looked at the Crowley-Gates Beer Summit, the greatest act of reconciliation in our time, and made the appropriate decision.
Totally missed that one. You have figured out how he won. Kudos to you, kind sir and/or madam!
551 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:03:57am |
re: #537 freetoken
Woodrow Wilson, the other sitting President to be awarded the Peace prize:
He got the Peace Prize for World War I?
552 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:04:08am |
re: #517 charpete67
think of how Jimmy Carter dealt with the Soviets vs. how Reagan did...
The whole history of the Cold War prior to Reagan had been one of containment - a game played with stalemate as the goal. Reagan changed that and actively began pushing widening Communist influence back on several fronts - a change in policy that was met with much alarm, but that ultimately paid off.
It shouldn't be overlooked that Reagan was fortunate to serve at the same time as Gorbachev, who shared many of Reagan's desires for nuclear disarmament and a reduction in military expansion within the Soviet Union. Compared to other Soviet leaders, Gorby was a willing partner to much of what Reagan set out to accomplish. Things might have gone very differently had a more hard-line Premiere been in power at the time.
554 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:04:21am |
re: #546 freetoken
Twitter would have been faster...just sayin!
555 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:04:22am |
re: #546 freetoken
and text messages cost a whole lot back in the day!
556 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:04:35am |
re: #551 Alouette
He got the Peace Prize for World War I?
No, the Treaty of Versailles to end the war.
557 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:04:54am |
re: #546 freetoken
Both TR and WW sent telegrams.
The 21st Century equivalent of a telegram is an e-mail.
558 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:05:20am |
The new Coen Brothers movie opens today and I have a three day weekend. So far the weekend is looking pretty good.
559 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:05:28am |
560 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:05:31am |
re: #521 SeaMonkey
Absolutely -- he should refuse. He's barely begun, and he's fighting two wars. It makes no sense. If there were no other candidates they should not have given the award this year.
There were hundreds of nominees. Many of whom have actually accomplished things.
561 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:05:57am |
re: #552 SixDegrees
The whole history of the Cold War prior to Reagan had been one of containment - a game played with stalemate as the goal. Reagan changed that and actively began pushing widening Communist influence back on several fronts - a change in policy that was met with much alarm, but that ultimately paid off.
Compared to other Soviet leaders, Gorby was a willing partner to much of what Reagan set out to accomplish. Things might have gone very differently had
a more hard-line Premiere been in power at the time.Dr. Manhattan actually existed.
I thought of that 35 seconds ago.
/ :O
562 | _RememberTonyC Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:06:24am |
jimmy carter and President Obama have won the Nobel, but Bill Clinton did not.
"Bubba gonna be pissed"
563 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:06:30am |
re: #560 SixDegrees
There were hundreds of nominees. Many of whom have actually accomplished things.
None of them had children's songs sung to their glory. Unless Kim Jung Il is included, of course.
564 | shutdown Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:06:40am |
You didn't hear it here, but my sources tell me that the Pope is already looking into beatifying BHO with sainthood to follow by Easter 2010. Christmas is to be renamed "NotFarFromBaracksBirthdayDay".
565 | peterb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:06:46am |
Am I a bad person because I just had the thought "Oh, man, I have to go over to Free Republic and watch people's heads exploding over this award?"
566 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:07:16am |
re: #558 Mad Al-Jaffee
I just hinted that Elton John and Billy Joel will be
in SLC on my B-day weekend...Wonder if she'll get it!
567 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:07:32am |
568 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:08:14am |
re: #488 crashnburn
If BHO has any, and I mean ANY, sense of humility, he should refuse this and ask the Nobel Committee to give it to someone who has accomplished something. Like little Timmy here, who helped a little old lady cross the street.
I was thinking of putting a "/sarc off" here, but i can't tell if i should...
Refuse it? You have to be kidding.
569 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:08:26am |
re: #538 charpete67
Capitalism is conservatism...I'm not sure I see a distinction between the two.
What you're missing is the broader point...you're straining to take credit away from Reagan (however he did it) for no reason. He was by no means perfect, but this is one area that he really deserves credit for. He was the president and stood up to the Soviet's. He restored our country's pride after 12 years of Nixon/Carter.
I always feel like individual men can not embody a philosophy perfectly, so to tie Reagen=conservatism=capitalism=downfall of the soviet union and it always feels to me like we are making leaps that can't possibly be 100% accurate. Did Reagan play a major role in the downfall ofthe soviet union? Of course he did. Was he a conservative? Of course he was. Was Reagen THE reason the soviet union collapsed? No he was not THE reason it collapsed, but a major contributing factor.
The original post I commented on said conservatism brought down the soviet union. Sure it was a contributing factor, but I don't think it was THE sole factor.
570 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:08:44am |
re: #564 imp_62
You didn't hear it here, but my sources tell me that the Pope is already looking into beatifying BHO with sainthood to follow by Easter 2010. Christmas is to be renamed "NotFarFromBaracksBirthdayDay".
That'll be another notch in his belt - first Protestant saint!
571 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:10:17am |
IMO Obama has been awarded the Peace Prize in recognition of the Nobel Committee's full expectation that he is now presiding over the changeover of the USA from the world's only superpower to a nuke-free, isolationist, bankrupt shadow of its former greatness.
572 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:10:33am |
re: #565 peterb
Am I a bad person because I just had the thought "Oh, man, I have to go over to Free Republic and watch people's heads exploding over this award?"
No, because it was the first thing I thought of too. The Corner should be an interesting read today.
573 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:11:19am |
Got stuff to do!
Have a great day all!
It's starting out pretty pathetic!
Peace out!Or ...something...
574 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:11:20am |
re: #568 iceweasel
Refuse it? You have to be kidding.
It's not without precedent. And it would do the award's prestige a world of good, while costing the erstwhile recipient nothing of consequence.
575 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:11:46am |
re: #572 ohpleaseno
No, because it was the first thing I thought of too. The Corner should be an interesting read today.
They're having non-stop mutliple orgasms in the DU forums today.
576 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:11:58am |
re: #568 iceweasel
Refuse it? You have to be kidding.
The ODS will be strong this morning. I personally don't think the man has done anything worthy of earning the Peace Prize, but as noted upthread, it may not always be given in recognition of actions previously performed.
578 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:13:16am |
re: #576 thedopefishlives
The ODS will be strong this morning. I personally don't think the man has done anything worthy of earning the Peace Prize, but as noted upthread, it may not always be given in recognition of actions previously performed.
Sounds like it was meant as a "pre-emptive prize" for future merit?
579 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:13:16am |
Abbas praises Obama award as Hamas calls it premature
RAMALLAH, West Bank — Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas on Friday congratulated Barack Obama on winning the Nobel peace prize, while the Hamas rulers of the Gaza Strip said the US president did not deserve the award.
Abbas, who heads the Palestinian Authority and the mainstream Fatah faction, "congratulated President Obama on winning the Nobel Prize," top Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erakat told AFP.
"The president wished that President Obama will achieve his quest for peace throughout the Middle East by establishing an independent Palestinian state in the 1967 borders with its capital in east Jerusalem," he said.
But Islamist movement Hamas, which has controlled Gaza since routing pro-Fatah forces from the narrow coastal strip in June 2007, said the award was premature.
"He did not do anything for the Palestinians except make promises," said Hamas spokesman Samir Abu Zuhri. "At the same time, he is giving his absolute support for the (Israeli) occupation."
580 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:13:22am |
re: #574 SixDegrees
Yea!
Obama refuse a million+bucks??
Hang on...I'll hold my breath...
...Nope didn't happen!
581 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:13:35am |
re: #576 thedopefishlives
The ODS will be strong this morning. I personally don't think the man has done anything worthy of earning the Peace Prize, but as noted upthread, it may not always be given in recognition of actions previously performed.
The thing is, they did indirectly recognize actions previously performed...by the evil Bushitler!
582 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:14:23am |
re: #576 thedopefishlives
The ODS will be strong this morning. I personally don't think the man has done anything worthy of earning the Peace Prize, but as noted upthread, it may not always be given in recognition of actions previously performed.
will they take the award away if he screws up?
583 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:15:39am |
re: #582 charpete67
will they take the award away if he screws up?
Only if Israel takes a few warhead shots at Iran...
584 | danshelb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:16:00am |
re: #574 SixDegrees
Refusing would be a stroke of political genius:
a. He comes off as humble, realizing their is still "much work to be done". This alone would give him huge points and political capital while diffusing Far Right criticism.
b. He still has the benefit of the gravitas of the award when promoting his agenda: "As the world community agrees, we must blah blah blah"
c. They'll give it to him again by 2012.
585 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:16:51am |
re: #580 reloadingisnotahobby
Yea!
Obama refuse a million+bucks??
Hang on...I'll hold my breath...
...Nope didn't happen!
I'm not expecting it to happen, either. Just pointing out that it would be a welcome occurrence with a good deal of upside, and that it's happened in the past.
As for the cash - it's nothing to sneeze at, but let's be realistic: it isn't that significant relative to all the other perqs of office.
586 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:16:54am |
re: #572 ohpleaseno
No, because it was the first thing I thought of too. The Corner should be an interesting read today.
Oh yeah. And HotAir too. Lots of places.
587 | badger1970 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:17:52am |
Imagine this scenario:
Dawn this morning, running late, driving rain with gusts from the south, yahoos driving on Hwy 79 towards Round Rock. Calming strains of music from 89.5 (KMFA).
Announcer: "There's good news this morning. President Obama has won the Nobel Peace Prize"
ME: "For what?"
Announcer: "The committee awarded him the prize for blah, blah, blah, goal of stopping the spread of nuclear weapons, blah, blah."
ME: *Inspector Dreyfus eye twitch*
Iran, laughing their tails off. Israel, no comment.
Other Peace Prize winners: anti-semites Carter and Arafat, hypocrite hot-air Al Gore.
I'm beginning to think obama puts his interests above America's. /
588 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:17:54am |
re: #542 Mad Al-Jaffee
General Hawk: Sir, are you suggesting that we blow up the moon?
President: Would you miss it? (to the other generals) Would you miss it?
589 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:18:25am |
re: #584 danshelb
Refusing would be a stroke of political genius:
a. He comes off as humble, realizing their is still "much work to be done". This alone would give him huge points and political capital while diffusing Far Right criticism.
b. He still has the benefit of the gravitas of the award when promoting his agenda: "As the world community agrees, we must blah blah blah"
c. They'll give it to him again by 2012.
I can think of a million reasons why that will never happen.
590 | yesandno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:18:46am |
Oscar nominations due at start of next year.
For his role as the Bringer of Peace in the year 2050, we nominate...
591 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:18:55am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Imagine my surprise waking up this AM to find that President Obama won the peace prize. Was there a war he ended? Was there a humanitarian mission he was involved in I don't know about? Did he sign a peace treaty, or set about a new process for negotiating peace?
Nope.
He's just not President Bush.
It's not just a mockery of the award, but a travesty to all those who were truly deserving of such a honor.
Carter won for a lifetime of work (habitat for humanity and diplomatic efforts including Camp David).
Arafat won for his signing on to Oslo (even if he didn't actually mean it and remained committed to Israel's destruction).
Obama won.. because he's not Bush.
Note how the process is conducted.
Nominations start 9/2008, Obama wins the election 11/08 and takes office 1/2009; the committee begins the short list 2/2009. Final selection 10/2009. 205 names were submitted for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize, 33 of which were organizations.
They keep the nominations secret for 50 years, so we will never know who else was nominated, unless those voting leak names.
592 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:19:03am |
re: #575 Mad Al-Jaffee
They're having non-stop mutliple orgasms in the DU forums today.
Too much Viagra, if you ask me.
593 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:19:04am |
re: #574 SixDegrees
It's not without precedent. And it would do the award's prestige a world of good, while costing the erstwhile recipient nothing of consequence.
Right. Sure it would. I bet if Obama refused it, the wingnut chorus would suddenly break into hosannahs in harmony, praising him and saying he'd restored the Nobel's integrity.
594 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:19:15am |
re: #585 SixDegrees
You are correct...but Obama has not surounded himself with people that think or would advise as we do here!
It would do his poll #'s alot of good..
595 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:19:25am |
re: #584 danshelb
Refusing would be a stroke of political genius:
a. He comes off as humble, realizing their is still "much work to be done". This alone would give him huge points and political capital while diffusing Far Right criticism.
b. He still has the benefit of the gravitas of the award when promoting his agenda: "As the world community agrees, we must blah blah blah"
c. They'll give it to him again by 2012.
That would be my analysis, as well. Plus, it actually has the potential to polish the reputation of an award that has lost nearly all of it's shine over the years, if the rejection causes a shake up in the committee's composition and processes.
596 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:20:08am |
re: #587 badger1970
[snip]
I'm beginning to think obama puts his interests above America's. /
In this case, the Peace Prize, how? He didn't make anyone give him this.
597 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:22:11am |
re: #591 lawhawk
Frankly, Carter won because he wasn't Bush I, and because of his incessant wheedling over the years in frustration at not getting an award when Arafat had received one.
See also "Al Gore."
598 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:22:21am |
If Obama chooses to decline the Prize, he would join Vietnam's Le Duc Tho as the only other person to decline it.
I think it would be in his best interest to do so given that he hasn't actually accomplished anything on the international stage. Giving speeches isn't sufficient.
599 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:22:31am |
re: #576 thedopefishlives
The ODS will be strong this morning. I personally don't think the man has done anything worthy of earning the Peace Prize, but as noted upthread, it may not always be given in recognition of actions previously performed.
This may very well be true. But he has already done this: as the leader of the country with the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, he has openly called for the elimination of nuclear weapons and has begun talks with the leader of the country with the second largest arsenal about reaching this goal.
When exactly is the last time the leader of the United States or Russia has publicly called for the elimination of nuclear weapons? At a time when the chance of loose nukes getting in the hands of stateless terrorists has never been greater, I for one am glad that someone is moving towards this goal.
That seems like a worthy consideration.
600 | yesandno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:22:38am |
Takes the sting out of losing the Olympics for him, doesn't it?
601 | reloadingisnotahobby Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:22:48am |
re: #596 Walter L. Newton
Walter,
How much snow?
602 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:22:57am |
re: #596 Walter L. Newton
In this case, the Peace Prize, how? He didn't make anyone give him this.
And in the rest of the world, they think this award is a good thing.
I'm sure it will be spun as "this award is really an insult to America" (for America read "Bush") and "Obama is a fool despised by the world" (the spin about the Olympics).
ODS.
603 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:23:35am |
I nominate the Nobel Committee for this years Fisky Award
604 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:24:08am |
re: #593 iceweasel
Right. Sure it would. I bet if Obama refused it, the wingnut chorus would suddenly break into hosannahs in harmony, praising him and saying he'd restored the Nobel's integrity.
Yeah, right, and the lib moonbats would do a silent group teethgnash.
605 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:24:26am |
re: #594 reloadingisnotahobby
You are correct...but Obama has not surounded himself with people that think or would advise as we do here!
It would do his poll #'s alot of good..
I believe it might. It would certainly draw a lot more attention to the award, it's reputation and 0bama than the standard, "I am humbled by this great honor..." spiel.
Not holding my breath.
606 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:24:35am |
Is it just me, or is the Peace Prize committee the laziest, most misguided committee on earth?
I'm nominating myself next year. There's no evidence that I haven't done a lot to promote world peace.
607 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:25:30am |
re: #598 lawhawk
If Obama chooses to decline the Prize, he would join Vietnam's Le Duc Tho as the only other person to decline it.
I think it would be in his best interest to do so given that he hasn't actually accomplished anything on the international stage. Giving speeches isn't sufficient.
I stand ready to video the flying butt-monkeys.
608 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:25:40am |
re: #584 danshelb
Refusing would be a stroke of political genius:
Can you refuse it? It's not like they're going to call a do-over and name someone else. He has already won it. Trying to refuse it would just be an slap at the opinion of the Nobel committee. And for what end? Political positioning?
609 | researchok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:25:42am |
Gandhi did not win a Nobel Prize
Vaclav Havel did not win a Nobel Prize
Ronald Reagan did not win a Nobel Prize
John Paul ll did not win a Nobel Prize
Chinese dissidents did not win a Nobel Prize
Bono (decades of work in Africa) did not win a Nobel Prize
Margaret Thatcher did not win a Nobel Prize
610 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:27:20am |
Here's the nomination process.
And if you're interested in being nominated, here's what you need to do. You need to suck up to one of the following who can nominate you:
1. Members of national assemblies and governments of states;
2. Members of international courts;
3. University rectors; professors of social sciences, history, philosophy, law and theology; directors of peace research institutes and foreign policy institutes;
4. Persons who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
5. Board members of organizations who have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize;
6. Active and former members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; (proposals by members of the Committee to be submitted no later than at the first meeting of the Committee after February 1) and
7. Former advisers appointed by the Norwegian Nobel Institute.
Since #3 is available to pretty much anyone, you can get your name included (and we'll find out 50 years from now whether you too get to be counted among those nominated).
611 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:27:31am |
re: #606 Gearhead
Is it just me, or is the Peace Prize committee the laziest, most misguided committee on earth?.
They aren't lazy. They work very hard at being misguided.
612 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:27:53am |
re: #604 Spare O'Lake
Yeah, right, and the lib moonbats would do a silent group teethgnash.
The wingnuts love to fantasise about "lib heads exploding' or 'liberal rage'. They frequently nd proudly cite it as a reason, indeed the only reason, for many of their positions-- e.g., supporting Palin.
Sadly, it's usually projection on their part. There is a such a thing as liberal rage, but you're mistaken if you think it's going on now, part of the wingnut fantasy world.
What you're hearing is derisive laughter, not teeth gnashing.
613 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:28:40am |
re: #598 lawhawk
If Obama chooses to decline the Prize, he would join Vietnam's Le Duc Tho as the only other person to decline it.
I think it would be in his best interest to do so given that he hasn't actually accomplished anything on the international stage. Giving speeches isn't sufficient.
Well, that's silly. Why would he decline it? That would 1) be a slap in the face of the Nobel committee, in turn, sort of a slap in the face of other nations... 2) He would be admitting that he has not accomplished what they say he has... 3) He has lost some political capital recently, this is like putting some back in the bank... 4) considering the total lack of any standards that the Nobel committee has display in certain areas for the last 20 years, this is not going to be seen as unusual anywhere but with certain conservatives in the US.
It's a win for him, a lost for conservatives if we stink about it. And the Nobel committee knows that.
There has been a trend lately, I see it, to "feed" the far right anything that can get it's dander up, they take the bait, and dig themselves deeper and deeper into the loony hole.
Does he deserve this? I don't think so, but we better start worrying about things that really matter, and not all this fluff and puff that is trying to be passed as meaningful events.
614 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:28:48am |
re: #598 lawhawk
If Obama chooses to decline the Prize, he would join Vietnam's Le Duc Tho as the only other person to decline it.
I think it would be in his best interest to do so given that he hasn't actually accomplished anything on the international stage. Giving speeches isn't sufficient.
When you put it that way, how can he possibly accept?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
615 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:29:39am |
re: #601 reloadingisnotahobby
Walter,
How much snow?
Dusting, nothing really happened and it's a warm 23 degrees (f).
616 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:30:46am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
Does he deserve this? I don't think so, but we better start worrying about things that really matter, and not all this fluff and puff that is trying to be passed as meaningful events.
I think this really nails it. I don't think he's done anything worthy of this award, but he won it, good for him, let's move on.
617 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:31:18am |
re: #609 researchok
Bill Clinton and George Mitchell did not win the Nobel Prize for their efforts to end the fighting in Northern Ireland.
Clinton didn't win for his efforts in ME peace process (culminating in the failed Camp David talk in 2000, but which included the Wye Agreement).
Clinton and Warren Christopher didn't win for the Dayton Accords.
Yeah, we can go on and on, but this can best be described as a rebuke of Bush.
618 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:31:24am |
Maybe he won it for giving Rio the Olympics. Because the rain forests are in Brazil and the games being awared to Brazil will help with climate change because, um, because, I'm not sure, but somehow it's all related.
619 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:31:33am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
we better start worrying about things that really matter, and not all this fluff and puff that is trying to be passed as meaningful events.
you dream big sir
620 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:31:41am |
ok, after catching up on the thread.. everyone needs to get a grip!
The president of our country just won a very prestigious international award. Whether you think it was deserving or not should be a secondary issue. This is still an honor that should be applauded.
With all of the sour grapes in this thread, you'd think that Chicago had just been awarded the Olympics. :/
Can you drop the politics and ODS long enough to simply applaud something that reflects well on our country?
621 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:32:17am |
re: #612 iceweasel
The wingnuts love to fantasise about "lib heads exploding' or 'liberal rage'. They frequently nd proudly cite it as a reason, indeed the only reason, for many of their positions-- e.g., supporting Palin.
Sadly, it's usually projection on their part. There is a such a thing as liberal rage, but you're mistaken if you think it's going on now, part of the wingnut fantasy world.
What you're hearing is derisive laughter, not teeth gnashing.
GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH :)
622 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:32:32am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
[snip]
There has been a trend lately, I see it, to "feed" the far right anything that can get it's dander up, they take the bait, and dig themselves deeper and deeper into the loony hole.Does he deserve this? I don't think so, but we better start worrying about things that really matter, and not all this fluff and puff that is trying to be passed as meaningful events.
And the results are in... we have the proof... my statement is truth... peer reviewed and all... drum roll... Iceweasel agrees with this statement... thanks for the up ding :)
623 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:32:33am |
re: #617 lawhawk
I think Clinton was hoping to win the Nobel Piece Prize.
624 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:33:20am |
re: #599 Ray in TX
Perhaps. It would be prudent, however, to see if such sentiments go on to bear any actual fruit. As things now stand, it's more like an award for being present.
The example of Reagan, Gorbachev and START I and it's culmination in START II seem like more tangible achievements.
In fact, much of 0bama's emphasis on further reductions are due the the looming expiration of START in December, and renewed aggressiveness on the part of Russia, which is believed to have considerably more nuclear warheads stockpiled than the US, albeit with less advanced delivery systems. 0bama will be forced to deal with the situation no matter what his convictions. The outcome, though, remains to be seen.
625 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:34:08am |
re: #617 lawhawk
Bill Clinton and George Mitchell did not win the Nobel Prize for their efforts to end the fighting in Northern Ireland.
Clinton didn't win for his efforts in ME peace process (culminating in the failed Camp David talk in 2000, but which included the Wye Agreement).Clinton and Warren Christopher didn't win for the Dayton Accords.
Yeah, we can go on and on, but this can best be described as a rebuke of Bush.
This can best be described as another "outrage" being fed to the right wing so they can start bouncing off the walls again and further dig themselves into oblivion.
626 | FrogMarch Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:34:20am |
What Do Barack Obama And Yassir Arafat Have In Common?
627 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:34:45am |
re: #624 SixDegrees
In fact, much of 0bama's emphasis on further reductions are due the the looming expiration of START in December, and renewed aggressiveness on the part of Russia, which is believed to have considerably more nuclear warheads stockpiled than the US, albeit with less advanced delivery systems. 0bama will be forced to deal with the situation no matter what his convictions. The outcome, though, remains to be seen.
How do you expect anyone to take your political opinion seriously when you intentionally spell Obama's name with a zero?
628 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:34:54am |
re: #613 Walter L. Newton
You're right that he's not going to decline. He's going to run with it, but will it actually matter in the long run whether he has it or not? Nope. It's not going to persuade anyone to act as Obama sees fit. It isn't going to give him any more moral controlling authority than he already has.
It's not going to persuade Israel to stop defending itself against Palestinian terrorism and the jihadis aren't going to stop their jihad against the West either.
Russia and China aren't going to stop what they're doing.
Iran isn't going to suddenly give up its nuclear weapons program because he won either.
So, why give him the award after months in office, and when he was barely in the White House when the nomination process closed.
629 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:35:44am |
re: #617 lawhawk
I'd add to your point that 2 of the 3 men the Democrats nominated for President in this decade have won the Nobel Peace Prize. That's pretty striking.
/Poor John Kerry, he's the one left out.
630 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:35:57am |
re: #626 FrogMarch
What Do Barack Obama And Yassir Arafat Have In Common?
They're both Moooslimmms!!!
///
631 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:36:31am |
re: #127 MandyManners
In office two weeks and BHO was nominated for the Nobel Prize?!
You know how it is: conservatives are damned for their misdeeds, and liberals are praised for their intentions. Even the crew on Morning Edition today admitted that he hadn't really accomplished anything yet to really deserve the prize.
I'd say that he was awarded the prize for the same reason the Jimmy Carter was: to slap at George W. Bush.
632 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:36:41am |
re: #625 Walter L. Newton
This can best be described as another "outrage" being fed to the right wing so they can start bouncing off the walls again and further dig themselves into oblivion.
*burp*
*dig* *dig* *dig*
633 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:36:45am |
re: #621 Spare O'Lake
GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH :)
That's what I call sniggering through gritted teeth.
634 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:37:30am |
635 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:37:37am |
re: #620 Ray in TX
It reflects on the US? I'm not sure I agree. President Clinton did more for peace than Obama, and he never won. Clinton did more for peace than VP Al Gore, but Gore won and Clinton didn't.
The decision to award the Prize is hugely politicized, and it was much more a rebuke at President Bush than it was in giving it to Obama based on Obama's actual achievements.
Notably, listen and read how the committee announced the award for Obama. There's a stunning lack of achievement there - it's about how Obama talks a good game, not in what he's actually accomplished.
Carter won his award for humanitarian work, including Habitat for Humanity - which puts people in homes and builds communities.
636 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:37:45am |
re: #628 lawhawk
You're right that he's not going to decline. He's going to run with it, but will it actually matter in the long run whether he has it or not? Nope. It's not going to persuade anyone to act as Obama sees fit. It isn't going to give him any more moral controlling authority than he already has.
It's not going to persuade Israel to stop defending itself against Palestinian terrorism and the jihadis aren't going to stop their jihad against the West either.
Russia and China aren't going to stop what they're doing.
Iran isn't going to suddenly give up its nuclear weapons program because he won either.So, why give him the award after months in office, and when he was barely in the White House when the nomination process closed.
I already gave you the answer, the feed the right wing another "outrage" that they will run with and further their decline into powerlessness.
637 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:38:02am |
re: #608 Ray in TX
Can you refuse it? It's not like they're going to call a do-over and name someone else. He has already won it. Trying to refuse it would just be an slap at the opinion of the Nobel committee. And for what end? Political positioning?
A slap at the committee is sorely needed. The prize has lost much of it's lustre over the years thanks to it's decisions, and having a popular recipient refuse to accept it would at least potentially focus the world's attention on the committee and it's motivations.
Cost to 0bama: near zero. He still gets to bask in the umbra of having been selected, while asserting his superior emanation of holiness over the Committee. Win/win.
Not gonna happen, but it's a notion with merit.
638 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:38:47am |
re: #620 Ray in TX
ok, after catching up on the thread.. everyone needs to get a grip!
The president of our country just won a very prestigious international award. Whether you think it was deserving or not should be a secondary issue. This is still an honor that should be applauded.
With all of the sour grapes in this thread, you'd think that Chicago had just been awarded the Olympics. :/
Can you drop the politics and ODS long enough to simply applaud something that reflects well on our country?
Ray, I would be first in line to congratulate BHO had he done something, anything, to deserve this prize. Bottom line is he didn't. Others have noted Mr. Clinton's efforts - they were far more deserving of this prize than anything done so far by Mr. Obama. Hard to believe there is no one out there more deserving.
639 | wiffersnapper Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:39:19am |
obama won the peace prize for talking big? *facepalm*
640 | Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:39:19am |
FWIW, my radio at the bottom of the hour said they still had no pics from the moon thumping. I was eating at the time, so this is late to the table. And I don't have a link and now need to go buy a pair of shoes. Uugghh.
641 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:39:24am |
re: #633 Jimmah
GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH GNASH
That's what I call sniggering through gritted teeth.
Well, you would certainly know about that.
642 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:39:59am |
re: #627 Ray in TX
In fact, much of 0bama's emphasis on further reductions are due the the looming expiration of START in December, and renewed aggressiveness on the part of Russia, which is believed to have considerably more nuclear warheads stockpiled than the US, albeit with less advanced delivery systems. 0bama will be forced to deal with the situation no matter what his convictions. The outcome, though, remains to be seen.
How do you expect anyone to take your political opinion seriously when you intentionally spell Obama's name with a zero?
I expect them to focus on content rather than ephemera. It's a rebuke to seeing the President of the United States referred to as "shrub" for eight years. I'm not going to stop doing it.
644 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:40:25am |
re: #626 FrogMarch
What Do Barack Obama And Yassir Arafat Have In Common?
Nothing, apart from the fact that they are both Nobel laureates.
645 | FrogMarch Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:40:28am |
646 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:40:32am |
re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar
FWIW, my radio at the bottom of the hour said they still had no pics from the moon thumping. I was eating at the time, so this is late to the table. And I don't have a link and now need to go buy a pair of shoes. Uugghh.
I "watched" it live on one of the feeds and, well, nothing happened. Must've needed a better telescope than the one they used for the feed I watched.
647 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:40:35am |
re: #641 Spare O'Lake
Well, you would certainly know about that.
From reading your posts, among other things, yes.
648 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:40:35am |
re: #620 Ray in TX
ok, after catching up on the thread.. everyone needs to get a grip!
The president of our country just won a very prestigious international award. Whether you think it was deserving or not should be a secondary issue. This is still an honor that should be applauded.
Arafat won the same prize. It's a tarnished trophy.
649 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:40:48am |
re: #637 SixDegrees
A slap at the committee is sorely needed. The prize has lost much of it's lustre over the years thanks to it's decisions, and having a popular recipient refuse to accept it would at least potentially focus the world's attention on the committee and it's motivations.
Cost to 0bama: near zero. He still gets to bask in the umbra of having been selected, while asserting his superior emanation of holiness over the Committee. Win/win.
Not gonna happen, but it's a notion with merit.
The world loves this prize. The Nobel has become a mutual admiration society and Obama just joined. To slap the committee would be a slap to the world. The committee is not see in the same bad light outside of this country.
650 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:41:14am |
re: #646 crashnburn
I "watched" it live on one of the feeds and, well, nothing happened. Must've needed a better telescope than the one they used for the feed I watched.
It was cloudy over here, and I couldn't see the moon.
651 | right Brain Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:41:53am |
re: #591 lawhawk
Some one else took the words out of my mouth:
“Who? What? So Fast?” a shocked Walesa said when reporters told him about the latest Obama win.
“Well, there’s hasn’t been any contribution to peace yet. He’s proposing things, he’s initiating things, but he is yet to deliver,” he said.
Lech Walesa, winner 1983 Nobel Peace Prize
652 | bloodnok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:42:09am |
re: #642 SixDegrees
I expect them to focus on content rather than ephemera. It's a rebuke to seeing the President of the United States referred to as "shrub" for eight years. I'm not going to stop doing it.
That'll show 'em all.
/eyeroll
655 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:46:10am |
re: #638 crashnburn
Ray, I would be first in line to congratulate BHO had he done something, anything, to deserve this prize. Bottom line is he didn't. Others have noted Mr. Clinton's efforts - they were far more deserving of this prize than anything done so far by Mr. Obama. Hard to believe there is no one out there more deserving.
No, but you see.. he has done plenty. Perhaps the issue is that you don't like what he's done.
He's closing Gitmo, and re-banning torture.
He's made a real outreach to the Muslim world.
He's actively pushing to eliminate nuclear weapons.
Without even considering the stalemate in Afghanistan and the expected withdrawal of troops from Iraq, those are significant steps.
I'm not on board with the idea of he doesn't deserve it because all he's done is give speeches. THAT'S WHAT WORLD LEADERS DO. They give speeches and set the tone and policy direction for their country.
They don't actually go out and manually disarm nukes. They give speeches, meet with other world leaders, and create the environment wherein countries trust each other enough to lower their guard. Obama has most certainly done that. Whether it actually bears fruit in the future remains to be seen, but a lot of that is out of his hands.
Who was the last US president to meet with Russia about eliminating nukes? That is a BFD, and I recognized it as such on the day it happened.
656 | Chekote Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:47:04am |
Bush liberated 50 million people and got nothing but scorn and derision. Obama has accomplished NOTHING, he gets the Nobel Peace Prize. What a total joke! It seems that liberals are so impressed by what Biden said was a clean cut, well spoken black man that they actually think that speaking well, being a good father is an accomplishment for Obama. The soft bigotry of low expectations in full display.
657 | bloodnok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:47:11am |
If you don't care about the Nobel Peace Prize, what it represents or think it has no value for the people who have won it in the past then just stop caring about it.
Seems simple.
It smacks of another Homer Simpsonism:
"Why don't those stupid idiots let me in their crappy club for jerks?"
658 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:47:44am |
re: #654 That's Mr. President to you
I won.
Again.
Mt President,
If you do nothing again this year do you expect another peace prize next year?
respectfully,
NJD
659 | researchok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:47:56am |
re: #617 lawhawk
Bill Clinton and George Mitchell did not win the Nobel Prize for their efforts to end the fighting in Northern Ireland.
Clinton didn't win for his efforts in ME peace process (culminating in the failed Camp David talk in 2000, but which included the Wye Agreement).Clinton and Warren Christopher didn't win for the Dayton Accords.
Yeah, we can go on and on, but this can best be described as a rebuke of Bush.
All too true.
More than anything else, the selection of Obama speaks volumes about the Nobel selection committee and process.
660 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:47:58am |
the way I see it, the onus is on BO to produce something now...he may regret ever receiving this award
[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
661 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:49:03am |
re: #655 Ray in TX
No, but you see.. he has done plenty. Perhaps the issue is that you don't like what he's done.
He's closing Gitmo, and re-banning torture.
He's made a real outreach to the Muslim world.
He's actively pushing to eliminate nuclear weapons.Without even considering the stalemate in Afghanistan and the expected withdrawal of troops from Iraq, those are significant steps.
I'm not on board with the idea of he doesn't deserve it because all he's done is give speeches. THAT'S WHAT WORLD LEADERS DO. They give speeches and set the tone and policy direction for their country.
They don't actually go out and manually disarm nukes. They give speeches, meet with other world leaders, and create the environment wherein countries trust each other enough to lower their guard. Obama has most certainly done that. Whether it actually bears fruit in the future remains to be seen, but a lot of that is out of his hands.
Who was the last US president to meet with Russia about eliminating nukes? That is a BFD, and I recognized it as such on the day it happened.
he's accomplished none of that...get real
662 | yesandno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:49:18am |
Wonder how this will effect the polls in this country...
A boost in his appeal could effect the health care debate, the cap and trade legislation.
This is the world voting for these programs. They want to disenfranchise a large portion of the American public based upon global politics.
I have nothing against Obama in this choice. I have to question the "unanimous" vote within the Nobel committee. They have lost all perspective and honesty about what the prize should mean.
663 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:49:19am |
re: #657 bloodnok
If you don't care about the Nobel Peace Prize, what it represents or think it has no value for the people who have won it in the past then just stop caring about it.
Seems simple.
It smacks of another Homer Simpsonism:
"Why don't those stupid idiots let me in their crappy club for jerks?"
heh. Brilliant. :)
And upding for simpsons, as always.
664 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:50:03am |
re: #655 Ray in TX
No, but you see.. he has done plenty. Perhaps the issue is that you don't like what he's done.
He's closing Gitmo, and re-banning torture.
He's made a real outreach to the Muslim world.
He's actively pushing to eliminate nuclear weapons.
Don't forget the White HOuse beer garden summit.
665 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:51:10am |
Well, I for one am finally proud to be an American!
//
666 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:51:59am |
re: #662 yesandno
Wonder how this will effect the polls in this country...
A boost in his appeal could effect the health care debate, the cap and trade legislation.
This is the world voting for these programs. They want to disenfranchise a large portion of the American public based upon global politics.
I have nothing against Obama in this choice. I have to question the "unanimous" vote within the Nobel committee. They have lost all perspective and honesty about what the prize should mean.
the new BO era of international influence on American politics
667 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:52:02am |
re: #642 SixDegrees
I expect them to focus on content rather than ephemera. It's a rebuke to seeing the President of the United States referred to as "shrub" for eight years. I'm not going to stop doing it.
I'm not asking you to stop doing it. In fact, I'm glad that you are doing it.
It makes it easier for me to spot who has ODS and who doesn't. I didn't like most of Bush policies at all for the past 5 years of his presidency, but I never once referred to him as "Shrub" or "Bushitler" or any of that other juvenile garbage. I just started voting Democrat.
668 | Gizmo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:52:13am |
"This can best be described as another "outrage" being fed to the right wing so they can start bouncing off the walls again and further dig themselves into oblivion."
I think you're misreading a lot of us... we aren't "outraged", we think "it's funnier then hell!!!" It's clear to us that the Nobel Peace Prize committee has been slipping into political "bizarre-o-land" for some time... but this one takes the cake!
669 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:52:18am |
re: #651 right Brain
Some one else took the words out of my mouth:
“Who? What? So Fast?” a shocked Walesa said when reporters told him about the latest Obama win.“Well, there’s hasn’t been any contribution to peace yet. He’s proposing things, he’s initiating things, but he is yet to deliver,” he said.
Lech Walesa, winner 1983 Nobel Peace Prize
And Desmond Tutu echoed similar sentiments. I can well believe that the Nobel Prize Committee thinks that the award of the prize will bolster Obama's authority and help him achieve his future goals concerning Middle East peace and global nuclear weaponry. However, I believe this to be badly mistaken.
670 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:53:13am |
re: #622 Walter L. Newton
And the results are in... we have the proof... my statement is truth... peer reviewed and all... drum roll... Iceweasel agrees with this statement... thanks for the up ding :)
Hey, I upding you all the time!
For people who disagree on a lot, as you and i do, there are a surprising amount of places where we also agree. I dig it.
671 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:54:30am |
672 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:55:29am |
re: #671 Ray in TX
Now that was political showmanship.
Damage control for stepping on his crank with the "they acted stupidly" comment.
673 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:55:48am |
re: #655 Ray in TX
Waiting for actual accomplishments would have been more prudent. Sometimes, as the saying goes, your eggs don't hatch, and it's foolish to do your counting before that happens.
Meanwhile, Gitmo is still open, extraordinary rendition is still the order of the day, and the START treaty is due to expire in a couple of months. Talk is all very nice, but actions are what awards are normally given out for. Even the Emmys - bastard child of all awards - aren't given out because some screenwriter had a really good idea for a show. They wait until the show has been produced and aired - even if it's Hell's Kitchen.
674 | yesandno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:55:55am |
re: #658 njdhockeyfan
Mt President,
If you do nothing again this year do you expect another peace prize next year?
respectfully,
NJD
No...
Next year he wins in Literature for his books on himself...what a contribution to the world!
///only the joke is on us
675 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:55:56am |
Folks...let's not get worked up over the peace prize for Obama. Trust me he is as embarrassed over this as anyone and I suspect the White House is working feverishly this morning to determine whether accepting or not accepting will yield the most political points.
676 | bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:56:32am |
Complete hogwash. Apparently it's not necessary that you actually do anything to win the Nobel Peace Prize, you just have to make the promises that people think will lead to peace. This is just bullsh*t. On the heels of the SNL "I haven't done a thing as president" skit, however, it is wonderfully ironic and should probably get a lot of people wondering why they're so fond of this president.
677 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:57:01am |
re: #662 yesandno
Wonder how this will effect the polls in this country...
A boost in his appeal could effect the health care debate, the cap and trade legislation.
This is the world voting for these programs. They want to disenfranchise a large portion of the American public based upon global politics.
I have nothing against Obama in this choice. I have to question the "unanimous" vote within the Nobel committee. They have lost all perspective and honesty about what the prize should mean.
What? How the hell can anyone outside of the US 'disenfranchise' Americans? Please.
678 | Darth Vader Gargoyle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:57:08am |
re: #676 bosforus
Complete hogwash. Apparently it's not necessary that you actually do anything to win the Nobel Peace Prize, you just have to make the promises that people think will lead to peace. This is just bullsh*t. On the heels of the SNL "I haven't done a thing as president" skit, however, it is wonderfully ironic and should probably get a lot of people wondering why they're so fond of this president.
Don't hold your breath on that last part.
679 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:58:25am |
re: #677 iceweasel
What? How the hell can anyone outside of the US 'disenfranchise' Americans? Please.
they can't...they want to tho and would love to see it happen...duh?
680 | MisterCookie Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:58:32am |
re: #677 iceweasel
What? How the hell can anyone outside of the US 'disenfranchise' Americans? Please.
Oh noezz! Its the one world-government oligahy!!!
/
This award just goes to show how uselessly politicized everything is these days.
681 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:58:38am |
re: #667 Ray in TX
I'm not asking you to stop doing it. In fact, I'm glad that you are doing it.
It makes it easier for me to spot who has ODS and who doesn't. I didn't like most of Bush policies at all for the past 5 years of his presidency, but I never once referred to him as "Shrub" or "Bushitler" or any of that other juvenile garbage. I just started voting Democrat.
Feel free to use it as an excuse to ignore my comments, then.
682 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:58:48am |
re: #675 Big Steve
Folks...let's not get worked up over the peace prize for Obama. Trust me he is as embarrassed over this as anyone and I suspect the White House is working feverishly this morning to determine whether accepting or not accepting will yield the most political points.
We'll see how embarrassed he is when he makes his 10:30 AM speech about his new prize.
683 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:58:57am |
Looking at the users on line I am stunned...stunned...that Sharmuta is not on. I thought she did not sleep and had LGF links installed in her eyelids!
684 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:59:46am |
re: #682 njdhockeyfan
We'll see how embarrassed he is when he makes his 10:30 AM speech about his new prize.
maybe he'll donate the winnings to Hamas...get some new toilets in over there
685 | bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 6:59:54am |
re: #678 rwdflynavy
Don't hold your breath on that last part.
I know. I know. I just wonder how much these people can take.
686 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:00:03am |
re: #655 Ray in TX
No, but you see.. he has done plenty. Perhaps the issue is that you don't like what he's done.
He's closing Gitmo, and re-banning torture.
He's made a real outreach to the Muslim world.
He's actively pushing to eliminate nuclear weapons.Without even considering the stalemate in Afghanistan and the expected withdrawal of troops from Iraq, those are significant steps.
I'm not on board with the idea of he doesn't deserve it because all he's done is give speeches. THAT'S WHAT WORLD LEADERS DO. They give speeches and set the tone and policy direction for their country.
They don't actually go out and manually disarm nukes. They give speeches, meet with other world leaders, and create the environment wherein countries trust each other enough to lower their guard. Obama has most certainly done that. Whether it actually bears fruit in the future remains to be seen, but a lot of that is out of his hands.
Who was the last US president to meet with Russia about eliminating nukes? That is a BFD, and I recognized it as such on the day it happened.
He's promised to close Gitmo, but that's a position that President Bush took too - just Bush wasn't willing to set a deadline, and Obama's deadline for the end of the year isn't happening, much to the chagrin of the left (and that's not sufficient to give the prize).
Real outreach to the Muslim world? Would that happen to include the Hellfire missiles to the al Qaeda and Taliban in Pakistan by UAV airstrikes?
President Bush gave speeches too. Obama has given similar speeches (as Charles points out that Obama isn't actually breaking new ground).
Reagan, who didn't get the Nobel, was involved in SALT II, the Intermediate Range Missile reduction, and reduction of nuclear arsenals of USSR and US during the 1980s.
Obama's award is based solely on what people hope he can achieve, not what he's already done.
Actively pursuing nuclear disarmament isn't all it's cracked up to be- particularly when rogue regimes aren't going to sit back and disarm when they would gain a tactical and strategic advantage.
687 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:00:25am |
re: #656 Chekote
Bush liberated 50 million people and got nothing but scorn and derision.
I presume you are talking about Iraq.
If by "liberated", you mean "forced to flee their homes in Iraq for safety in Syria and Jordan", then the number is closer to 2 million.
If by "liberated", you instead mean, "soul separated from host body", then the number is closer to 600,000 civilians. (hint: that's 200 times the number killed on 9/11 in a country just 1/10th the population of the US)
Bush is lucky that all he's gotten is scorn and derision.
688 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:01:32am |
Ah. What a day. Obama gets the least earned Nobel Peace Prize ever (for his first ten days in office, that is impressive.), Lieberman threatens to pull the israeli embassy from Sweden (effectively from the EU, someone please inform him that Carl Bildt is effectively the Foreign Minister of the EU at the moment before he really shots himself in the foot) and we finally bomb those bastards on the moon.
It's like living in a satire. Jon Stewart must be crying.
689 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:01:43am |
re: #687 Ray in TX
Care to supply a link to your stat that 600,000 civilians have been killed?
690 | Chekote Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:02:21am |
This is the liberal version of racism and bigotry. They are just amazed that a black man can be a good father, well educated, well spoken. Things that are run of the mill expectations for all others, liberals treat as accomplishments. It is just as insidious and ugly as the stuff racists on the right put out.
691 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:02:26am |
re: #689 Big Steve
Care to supply a link to your stat that 600,000 civilians have been killed?
Not simply killed...killed by BUSH.
692 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:02:39am |
re: #687 Ray in TX
I see BDS is still alive and well.
693 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:02:40am |
re: #673 SixDegrees
Waiting for actual accomplishments would have been more prudent. Sometimes, as the saying goes, your eggs don't hatch, and it's foolish to do your counting before that happens.
Hey look, I agree with this. It certainly would have been more prudent for the committee to wait a year and see how events play out. What I am objecting to is this notion that Obama has done *nothing* to even warrant consideration.
How is meeting with Russia and proposing nuclear reduction/disarmament not a fair consideration for the Nobel Peace prize anymore?
694 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:03:28am |
695 | Who Watches the Watchmen? Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:03:47am |
re: #310 iceweasel
The rage is exceptionally strong this morning. I guess that Nobel prize is really pissing people off.
I'm not enraged, just completely baffled.
696 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:04:00am |
re: #693 Ray in TX
Still waiting for you link on the 600k dead civilians as caused by the US military under Bush. If you can't produce it they you are just a common liar.
697 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:04:03am |
re: #687 Ray in TX
Wasn't there a Congressman who stated that the reason Iraq was getting peaceful back in '07-'08 was because there wasn't anybody left there to kill?
698 | lastlaugh Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:04:16am |
I don't really understand the win either. I'm neither proud nor do I really care. However, watching the reactions of the right-wing echo chamber is going to be SPECTACULAR today. Drudge is already gold.
People love or hate this guy so much and he is really quite a mediocre president so far. I feel like the world is falling into hysteria around me.
699 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:04:29am |
re: #657 bloodnok
If you don't care about the Nobel Peace Prize, what it represents or think it has no value for the people who have won it in the past then just stop caring about it.
Seems simple.
It smacks of another Homer Simpsonism:
"Why don't those stupid idiots let me in their crappy club for jerks?"
Favourited.
700 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:04:42am |
re: #693 Ray in TX
Hey look, I agree with this. It certainly would have been more prudent for the committee to wait a year and see how events play out. What I am objecting to is this notion that Obama has done *nothing* to even warrant consideration.
How is meeting with Russia and proposing nuclear reduction/disarmament not a fair consideration for the Nobel Peace prize anymore?
no...of course not
701 | Gizmo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:05:18am |
re: #669 John Neverbend
And Desmond Tutu echoed similar sentiments. I can well believe that the Nobel Prize Committee thinks that the award of the prize will bolster Obama's authority and help him achieve his future goals concerning Middle East peace and global nuclear weaponry. However, I believe this to be badly mistaken.
The Nobel Peace committee has clearly before shown a knack for awarding the prize based on future predictions. IIRC, they cited the prevention of future food-scarcity wars as the basis for giving to Al Gore and the IPCC. This award just continues the trend and is just an "advance" for Obama for all of the great things he's about to do.
702 | badger1970 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:05:29am |
re: #596 Walter L. Newton
In this case, the Peace Prize, how? He didn't make anyone give him this.
Who petitioned for him and without his knowledge? It's an ego trip.
703 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:05:31am |
re: #689 Big Steve
Care to supply a link to your stat that 600,000 civilians have been killed?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
704 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:06:01am |
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705 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:06:11am |
re: #655 Ray in TX
No, but you see.. he has done plenty. Perhaps the issue is that you don't like what he's done.
He's closing Gitmo, and re-banning torture.
He's made a real outreach to the Muslim world.
He's actively pushing to eliminate nuclear weapons.Without even considering the stalemate in Afghanistan and the expected withdrawal of troops from Iraq, those are significant steps.
I'm not on board with the idea of he doesn't deserve it because all he's done is give speeches. THAT'S WHAT WORLD LEADERS DO. They give speeches and set the tone and policy direction for their country.
They don't actually go out and manually disarm nukes. They give speeches, meet with other world leaders, and create the environment wherein countries trust each other enough to lower their guard. Obama has most certainly done that. Whether it actually bears fruit in the future remains to be seen, but a lot of that is out of his hands.
Who was the last US president to meet with Russia about eliminating nukes? That is a BFD, and I recognized it as such on the day it happened.
Let me help you with this:
He's WANTS to close Gitmo, and re-banning torture (He might want to visit Fraternity hazing too).
He's apologized to to the Muslim world for the US being the US.
He's active pushed to eliminate nuclear weapons BUT HAS NOT ELIMINATED A SINGLE WARHEAD. And no, I wouldn't expect him to be on the launch pad with a screwdriver either.
Without even considering the stalemate in Afghanistan (The "Plan" he announced in March now never existed and we breathlessly await a new one) and the expected withdrawal of troops from Iraq, (started by GWB) those are significant steps.
Who was the last US president to meet with Russia about eliminating nukes? Uhhmmm, George W Bush? Wanna Google it and see the 2002 Strategic Offensive Reductions Treaty. While not a gleaming success it was more developed than anything Obama has done. Sorry Ray, but he hasn't done a thing - even things I didn't like.
706 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:06:38am |
707 | bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:06:47am |
re: #703 Ray in TX
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"Some studies have placed the number of civilians deaths as high as 655,000 (see The Lancet study), although most studies estimate a lower number..."
708 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:06:56am |
re: #696 Big Steve
Still waiting for you link on the 600k dead civilians as caused by the US military under Bush. If you can't produce it they you are just a common liar.
Good god, man. Get a grip.
709 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:07:11am |
re: #669 John Neverbend
And Desmond Tutu echoed similar sentiments. I can well believe that the Nobel Prize Committee thinks that the award of the prize will bolster Obama's authority and help him achieve his future goals concerning Middle East peace and global nuclear weaponry. However, I believe this to be badly mistaken.
Well I am working with a buddy on a novel way to create ligands from glycidal ethers. We haven't actually been able to synthesize anything yet but it is promising. So where is my Nobel in Chemistry?
710 | yesandno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:07:46am |
re: #677 iceweasel
What? How the hell can anyone outside of the US 'disenfranchise' Americans? Please.
Since the media is on the bandwagon for anything Obama, we get all the hearts and flowers... the feel good aspects will be blasted forth about how the world understands his greatness...while we in the US should just go along because this will create a world where everyone loves us.
Whenever the truth is not full investigated by each of us, by the media, then we are disenfranchised because we cannot make good decisions without good analysis.
We forget about the power of suggestion...and as the bandwagon passes, we are always tempted to jump on board lest we be left behind.
711 | Chekote Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:07:49am |
How is meeting with Russia and proposing nuclear reduction/disarmament not a fair consideration for the Nobel Peace prize anymore?
So now meeting and talking are enough to win the Nobel Prize? I can't stand Jimmy Carter but at least he did Habitat for Humanity. What has Obama done except write books and give speeches? He was elected because he wasn't a Republican and Bush. Plus the MSM carried the water for him. If Mac had sat in a white supremacist church for 20 years, he wouldn't have gotten a pass. We all know that. Obama is now considering pulling the plug on Afghanistan. Afghani women can look forward again to being shot for showing their ankles. How that for a Peace Price?!
712 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:09:12am |
re: #703 Ray in TX
Based on the clearly discredited Lancet study that Charles has shown to be completely bogus and off by hundreds of thousands.
Moreover, the overwhelming majority of casualties were inflicted by the insurgents and terrorists on the Iraqis themselves, not the US forces.
But if you're counting casualties, how about the hundreds of thousands murdered by Saddam Hussein in ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Marsh Arabs and Shi'ites. Or the millions killed in the Iran-Iraq war?
713 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:09:12am |
re: #703 Ray in TX
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Did you read it? Your own link states the body count as significantly lower. Yeesh at least read your own sources.
714 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:09:54am |
re: #662 yesandno
Wonder how this will effect the polls in this country...
A boost in his appeal could effect the health care debate, the cap and trade legislation.
This is the world voting for these programs. They want to disenfranchise a large portion of the American public based upon global politics.
I have nothing against Obama in this choice. I have to question the "unanimous" vote within the Nobel committee. They have lost all perspective and honesty about what the prize should mean.
Well, I've discovered one source for this insane meme. Gates of Vienna!
A question: is an award by the Nobel Committee to a sitting president an attempt to manipulate the American electorate?
And they hat tip Dan Riehl. Shock.
715 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:10:10am |
re: #701 Gizmo
The Nobel Peace committee has clearly before shown a knack for awarding the prize based on future predictions. IIRC, they cited the prevention of future food-scarcity wars as the basis for giving to Al Gore and the IPCC. This award just continues the trend and is just an "advance" for Obama for all of the great things he's about to do.
The IPCC + Al Gore award was given "for their efforts to build up and disseminate greater knowledge about man-made climate change, and to lay the foundations for the measures that are needed to counteract such change." There is certainly an element of futurity in this, but there's also an anchor in the present.
716 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:10:11am |
And let's not forget:
DVDs for Prime minister Brown
iPod full of his own speeches for Queen Elizabeth
Snubbing Sarkozy at the UN
Cancelling the missile shield for Eastern Europe
The 'Reset' button
Playing along with Iran's delaying-thru-negotiation tactics
Giving the Taliban room to stretch their legs in Afghanistan
I'm sorry. I should back off and let him finish his waffle.
717 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:10:16am |
re: #706 thedopefishlives
Wikipedia? Are you serious?
Which is more plausible. Wikipedia or some anonymous person on a blog claiming that Bush liberated 50 million people?
718 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:10:30am |
719 | bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:11:08am |
I won't have time today to research on my own but I'd like to look at previous Nobel Peace Prize winners and see exactly what they were awarded for and then see how Obama compares. Would seem appropriate to do.
720 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:11:15am |
re: #702 badger1970
Who petitioned for him and without his knowledge? It's an ego trip.
Could you possibly read this thread, where the information has been posted at least twice, or the Nobel site about who can petition, before embarking on a conspiracy theory? Thank you so much.
721 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:11:19am |
re: #717 Ray in TX
Which is more plausible. Wikipedia or some anonymous person on a blog claiming that Bush liberated 50 million people?
You know, that's actually a tough choice, considering that Wikipedia has absolutely no credibility whatsoever.
722 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:11:23am |
re: #718 Big Steve
Ok folks Moby alert on Ray in TX...
I've been meaning to ask this, but what's a Moby?
725 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:12:19am |
726 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:12:44am |
727 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:12:57am |
Good morning. In the spirit of Obama's Nobel Peace Prize Award, I would like the following:
* I want an Oscar now for the fantastic role I will play in an upcoming blockbuster movie.
* I want an Emmy now for the quirky yet fun mom role I will play in a hit comedy series.
* I want a Tony now for the tragic yet heroic woman I will play on stage.
* I want Pulitzer Prize now for the amazing in-depth newspaper article I will write on toe fungus.
* I want a Betty Crocker Prize Chef award now for the amazing flour-free cake I will develop in ten years.
It shouldn't be too hard to award me all these.
728 | Chekote Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:13:09am |
re: #687 Ray in TX
I will never understand how anyone can defend the horror that was Saddam Hussein. Talk to the Kurds or the marsh Arabs. The Iraqis now have a chance to self-govern and not live at the whim of a dictator. I think you need to take a trip to see the Saddam's mass graves. I am proud of the fact that America removed him. I am proud that now millions of Iraqis have a chance to live in freedom.
729 | karmic_inquisitor Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:13:21am |
Folks -
You are missing the point.
This is not a reward for what he has done. It is a way to encourage him to do two things:
1) Leave Afghanistan
2) Leave Iran alone.
He won't bomb anyone with the Peace Prize dangling around his neck. That is the thinking. And I think they may get the response they expect.
Israel is screwed. And the Nobel committee doesn't mind - they see a nuclear Iran as a counterbalance to a nuclear Israel.
730 | Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:13:34am |
re: #690 Chekote
This is the liberal version of racism and bigotry. They are just amazed that a black man can be a good father, well educated, well spoken. Things that are run of the mill expectations for all others, liberals treat as accomplishments. It is just as insidious and ugly as the stuff racists on the right put out.
That's asinine.
731 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:13:38am |
re: #693 Ray in TX
Hey look, I agree with this. It certainly would have been more prudent for the committee to wait a year and see how events play out. What I am objecting to is this notion that Obama has done *nothing* to even warrant consideration.
How is meeting with Russia and proposing nuclear reduction/disarmament not a fair consideration for the Nobel Peace prize anymore?
I don't see what it accomplishes. Presidents have met with countless heads of state over the years, on a variety of topics; the list of those talks which don't come to fruition is dismally long. Having a chat doesn't seem to be worth much of anything, frankly. It's what comes from the chat that counts, and we haven't seen what that might be yet.
See, again, the results - not the proposal, but the actual results - of START I.
Or to take another example: the eradication of smallpox, something I personally consider to be one of the crowning achievements of mankind over it's entire history. No one got any awards for sitting up and proposing, "Hey! Let's get rid of smallpox, completely and forever!" It was the result of that effort - it's success - that merits praise and (again, in my opinion) sacks of gold and jewels showered into the bank accounts of those who pulled it off.
732 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:13:49am |
re: #722 John Neverbend
I've been meaning to ask this, but what's a Moby?
A moby is a liberal who pretends to be a conservative on conservative websites, for the purpose of making conservatives look bad.
Some people here use the word 'moby' to mean something like "person I don't like" or "liberal poster" fullstop.
733 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:13:59am |
re: #719 bosforus
I won't have time today to research on my own but I'd like to look at previous Nobel Peace Prize winners and see exactly what they were awarded for and then see how Obama compares. Would seem appropriate to do.
Good idea. I've already looked at the list, but here it is:
734 | jill e Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:14:22am |
This is completely bizarre. President Barack Obama has just won the Nobel Peace Prize. It is unclear why. For making peace, of a kind, with Hillary Clinton? For giving up the missile shield and cheering up the Iranians? For preparing a surge of troops and weaponry in Afghanistan?
Of course, traditionally it has been standard procedure that winners of the prize do their peacemaking first and are only given the prize after they have achieved something. But this innovation sweeps aside such old-fashioned notions of reward following effort.
Think about it, it’s so post-modern: a leader can now win the peace prize for saying that he hopes to bring about peace at some point in the future. He doesn’t actually have to do it, he just has to have aspirations. Brilliant.
Iain Martin (Wall Street Journal)
736 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:14:36am |
re: #727 vxbush
Good morning. In the spirit of Obama's Nobel Peace Prize Award, I would like the following:
* I want an Oscar now for the fantastic role I will play in an upcoming blockbuster movie.
* I want an Emmy now for the quirky yet fun mom role I will play in a hit comedy series.
* I want a Tony now for the tragic yet heroic woman I will play on stage.
* I want Pulitzer Prize now for the amazing in-depth newspaper article I will write on toe fungus.
* I want a Betty Crocker Prize Chef award now for the amazing flour-free cake I will develop in ten years.It shouldn't be too hard to award me all these.
I have placed calls to these committees on your behalf. Be sure to check your mail for prize notification! Of wait, you're not Michelle Obama, are you?
737 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:14:44am |
re: #728 Chekote
I will never understand how anyone can defend the horror that was Saddam Hussein. Talk to the Kurds or the marsh Arabs. The Iraqis now have a chance to self-govern and not live at the whim of a dictator. I think you need to take a trip to see the Saddam's mass graves. I am proud of the fact that America removed him. I am proud that now millions of Iraqis have a chance to live in freedom.
so should both Clintons, Kerry, Kennedy and all the rest...it was their idea as well
738 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:14:53am |
re: #703 Ray in TX
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Nowhere in that article are 600k civilian deaths attributed to Bush.
739 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:15:10am |
740 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:15:21am |
re: #712 lawhawk
Based on the clearly discredited Lancet study that Charles has shown to be completely bogus and off by hundreds of thousands.
I don't think you understand. I was responding to the idiotic statement that Bush "liberated 50 million people" by pointing out that this "liberation" involved the displacement of millions of civilians and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of them.
Whether 600,000 or 200,000 civilians were killed in Iraq is inconsequential to the point I was making. I literally spent 45 seconds looking up information rather than pulling numbers out of my ass like the person I was responding to. If you have an objection to those figures, take it up with the sources in Wikipedia, not me.
No one in their right mind should ever consider awarding Bush the Nobel Price for PEACE because of the invasion of Iraq. It's upside-down opposite world.
741 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:15:34am |
re: #732 iceweasel
A moby is a liberal who pretends to be a conservative on conservative websites, for the purpose of making conservatives look bad.
Some people here use the word 'moby' to mean something like "person I don't like" or "liberal poster" fullstop.
Thank you. I had thought it was a large cetacean that swims around the ocean "tasking" one Captain Ahab.
742 | Chekote Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:15:42am |
I hope Obama turns down the Prize. He doesn't deserve it. He needs to give it to someone who ACTUALLY accomplished something. Show the Nobel committee for the joke it is, Mr. President.
743 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:16:01am |
744 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:16:02am |
745 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:16:17am |
Hello Lizards!
I guess it shouldn't suprise me. The Nobel Peace Prize, but -well--I guess I'm just numb to it now.
How are you-all this am?
747 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:17:16am |
re: #705 crashnburn
Let me help you with this:
He's WANTS to close Gitmo, and re-banning torture (He might want to visit Fraternity hazing too).
Wrong. On his second day in office he ended all EIT: enhanced interrogation techinques, what the rest of us in the normal world call torture. He also ended extraordinary rendition.
He's just fine with old regular rendtion however.
748 | bosforus Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:17:37am |
re: #733 John Neverbend
Good idea. I've already looked at the list, but here it is:
With a brief skim it appears to mixed with people who have either actually done something significant or have worked toward something for the majority of their life. Not sure what Obama's done for the majority of his life to deserve this award.
749 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:17:43am |
re: #729 karmic_inquisitor
LOL.
Would that include the UAV airstrikes that have increased in number (and casualties) since Obama took office?
751 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:17:49am |
re: #736 crashnburn
I have placed calls to these committees on your behalf. Be sure to check your mail for prize notification! Of wait, you're not Michelle Obama, are you?
No, but I could play her on TV. I could earn another Emmy for that.
753 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:18:49am |
re: #740 Ray in TX
I don't think you understand. I was responding to the idiotic statement that Bush "liberated 50 million people" by pointing out that this "liberation" involved the displacement of millions of civilians and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of them.
Whether 600,000 or 200,000 civilians were killed in Iraq is inconsequential to the point I was making. I literally spent 45 seconds looking up information rather than pulling numbers out of my ass like the person I was responding to. If you have an objection to those figures, take it up with the sources in Wikipedia, not me.
No one in their right mind should ever consider awarding Bush the Nobel Price for PEACE because of the invasion of Iraq. It's upside-down opposite world.
Maybe Obama should get the award for being silent while the protesters in Iran were rounded up and tortured/killed for demanding free and fair elections...
754 | gregb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:19:03am |
re: #737 albusteve
so should both Clintons, Kerry, Kennedy and all the rest...it was their idea as well
Maybe that splains the hatred. While it was their idea, it was Bush that actually did it.
755 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:19:16am |
re: #743 Ray in TX
What is a moby? Seriously.
A liberal who pretends to be a conservative. You are obviously not that.
Some people here like to use it, like 'troll', to mean 'poster i disagree with who i want banned".
756 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:19:58am |
Is the NObel Committee-
a) bat-f@ckkng Crazy
b) suffering from white guilt
or
c) bat f@cking Crazy?
757 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:20:10am |
re: #713 Big Steve
Did you read it? Your own link states the body count as significantly lower. Yeesh at least read your own sources.
The link said 655,000 in one study and others lower. The actual number was irrelevant to the point I was addressing.
I note there was no objection by anyone to the figure of 2 million refugees. I guess that means no one has a problem with millions of people crossing international borders to escape their impoverished country.
//
758 | irish rose Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:20:31am |
Obama was elected to office by the American majority. I don't like it, but I'm doing my best to respect the office of the Presidency and respect my sons' commander in chief. I'm doing it because I think it's the right thing to do.
But the Nobel Peace Prize?
Hell no!
Good morning, lizardia.
759 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:20:42am |
re: #755 iceweasel
A liberal who pretends to be a conservative. You are obviously not that.
Some people here like to use it, like 'troll', to mean 'poster i disagree with who i want banned".
it works both ways...did you know that?
760 | Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:21:29am |
re: #576 thedopefishlives
The ODS will be strong this morning. I personally don't think the man has done anything worthy of earning the Peace Prize, but as noted upthread, it may not always be given in recognition of actions previously performed.
It's taken less than 200 posts to show you're 100% right.
761 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:21:32am |
re: #717 Ray in TX
Which is more plausible. Wikipedia or some anonymous person on a blog claiming that Bush liberated 50 million people?
I agree the 50 million isn't realistic. But attributing all civilian deaths in Iraq to Bush is equally unrealistic.
762 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:21:43am |
re: #753 charpete67
Maybe Obama should get the award for being silent while the protesters in Iran were rounded up and tortured/killed for demanding free and fair elections...
Or for giving China a pass on human rights questioning, as long as they kept buying our bonds.
763 | badger1970 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:21:54am |
re: #733 John Neverbend
One interesting decline in 1973 and some years sent to a special fund. Seems you have a leg up when being against nuclear war (thus world peace).
764 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:21:55am |
re: #755 iceweasel
A liberal who pretends to be a conservative. You are obviously not that.
Some people here like to use it, like 'troll', to mean 'poster i disagree with who i want banned".
haha, I would not call myself a liberal. I used to call myself a conservative and a Republican. Since the parties have re-aligned, I'm now more of an independent, although I can assure you that my values have not changed in the interim! :P
765 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:21:57am |
re: #348 iceweasel
According to this list of qualified nominators, I am qualified to nominate someone for a Nobel. Any takers?
//
766 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:22:19am |
767 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:22:23am |
re: #740 Ray in TX
Are you kidding me? The source you claim as authoritative has been thoroughly debunked, and the casualties in Iraq are actually besides the point. Eliminating a dictatorship that sponsored international terrorism, engaged in repeated wars, violated international consensus (17 UN SCRs) and threatened regional stability was a good thing.
Throw in the overthrow of the Taliban regime that harbored al Qaeda in Afghanistan, and you've got far more people liberated from odious regimes than those who were killed or displaced in such efforts (or killed by those same evil regimes in the years prior).
768 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:23:04am |
re: #747 iceweasel
Ice, the "rebanning torture" line came from Ray in TX, not me.
769 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:23:15am |
re: #764 Ray in TX
haha, I would not call myself a liberal. I used to call myself a conservative and a Republican. Since the parties have re-aligned, I'm now more of an independent, although I can assure you that my values have not changed in the interim! :P
Exactly. Lots of good people here in your position as well.
770 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:23:18am |
So... let me ask the impolitic question, to those who seem to be upset about the announcement by the Nobel committee: Why the emotion?
No, really. What is it that is driving so much emotion over this issue. Being nonplussed I can understand. However, for those who seem to be taking umbrage at this event... why?
771 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:23:23am |
re: #748 bosforus
With a brief skim it appears to mixed with people who have either actually done something significant or have worked toward something for the majority of their life. Not sure what Obama's done for the majority of his life to deserve this award.
"A very little little let us do, And all is done."
772 | bloodnok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:23:25am |
re: #759 albusteve
it works both ways...did you know that?
Not by definition. But you knew that.
(from the LGF Dictionary)
moby - An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question.
773 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:23:50am |
As for the issue of Iraqi refugees - care to provide a figure how many refugees were present around the world as a result of Saddam's policies over the years, or how many were displaced in Iraq as a result of Saddam's plans - the numbers would dwarf those displaced as a result of the US efforts in Iraq.
774 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:23:52am |
from this article:
The Nobel Committee lauded the change in global mood wrought by Obama's calls for peace and cooperation but recognized initiatives that have yet to bear fruit: reducing the world stock of nuclear arms, easing American conflicts with Muslim nations and strengthening the U.S. role in combating climate change.
"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," Jagland said.
and
"You have to remember that the world has been in a pretty dangerous phase," Jagland said. "And anybody who can contribute to getting the world out of this situation deserves a Nobel Peace Prize."
775 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:24:06am |
re: #770 freetoken
I am not the least bit angry or irritated. I think this is the funniest day in a long time.
776 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:24:07am |
re: #763 badger1970
One interesting decline in 1973 and some years sent to a special fund. Seems you have a leg up when being against nuclear war (thus world peace).
So all in favour of nuclear war need not apply?
777 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:24:13am |
re: #765 arethusa
According to this list of qualified nominators, I am qualified to nominate someone for a Nobel. Any takers?
//
I'll take a nomination. But not for the Peace Prize. Please nominate for a REAL Nobel Prize, one that has some actual gravitas and merit attached to it - like the physics or chemistry prize.
778 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:24:48am |
re: #768 crashnburn
Ice, the "rebanning torture" line came from Ray in TX, not me.
Ah you're right-- you'd quoted it again in your response (in addition to quoting him). Sorry about that.
779 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:25:11am |
re: #774 ggt
from this article:
"You have to remember that the world has been in a pretty dangerous phase," Jagland said. "And anybody who can contribute to getting the world out of this situation deserves a Nobel Peace Prize."
By that reasoning, Bush would deserve one for getting rid of terrorists around the world.
780 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:25:32am |
I think it's silly to criticize Ob-ma for the award since it was given to him...it's also not realistic to think that somehow it would be good for Ob-ma to not accept. What bothers me is the award is being used by foreigners to endorse what they think our government or foreign policy should be.
781 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:25:41am |
re: #777 SixDegrees
I'll take a nomination. But not for the Peace Prize. Please nominate for a REAL Nobel Prize, one that has some actual gravitas and merit attached to it - like the physics or chemistry prize.
Fields medal for me, as there is no Nobel prize for mathematics.
782 | gregb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:25:54am |
re: #777 SixDegrees
I'll take the Nobel Prize in Computer Science...wait, there isn't one (and there wasn't even a mistress involved)!
[Link: nobelprizes.com...]
783 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:25:56am |
re: #770 freetoken
So... let me ask the impolitic question, to those who seem to be upset about the announcement by the Nobel committee: Why the emotion?
No, really. What is it that is driving so much emotion over this issue. Being nonplussed I can understand. However, for those who seem to be taking umbrage at this event... why?
Because something that should be a great honor has become a popularity contest.
784 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:15am |
re: #778 iceweasel
My bad - trying to work at the same time!
785 | jill e Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:21am |
2009 winner recently dissed 1989 winner (DALAI LAMA).re: #748 bosforus
Maybe for literature—he has written two books, after all.
786 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:25am |
787 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:28am |
re: #777 SixDegrees
I'll take a nomination. But not for the Peace Prize. Please nominate for a REAL Nobel Prize, one that has some actual gravitas and merit attached to it - like the physics or chemistry prize.
Excellent. For which of your many future achievements should I put you down?
788 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:28am |
re: #772 bloodnok
Not by definition. But you knew that.
(from the LGF Dictionary)
moby - An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question.
as I said-- this is a word some here fling around to mean "person whose views i don't like and I want them banned"-- completely ignoring the actual definition.
789 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:35am |
re: #762 SixDegrees
Or for giving China a pass on human rights questioning, as long as they kept buying our bonds.
with Myanmar caught in the middle...and of course stiffing Dalai Lama
790 | lawhawk Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:47am |
re: #770 freetoken
I'm disappointed that other more deserving candidates were not selected; others who could use the prestige to further their existing efforts - or give legitimacy to humanitarian efforts. Like Tsvangerai in Zimbabwe, for example.
Heck, you could even argue that Khadafi could receive a Nobel for ending his nuclear program and making efforts to rejoin the world community and stop support for terrorism. Those were tangible efforts carried out in the past decade.
But for me, this is par for the course with the Nobel Prizes in this area - it's a political decision that bears little resemblance to who is truly deserving.
791 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:26:56am |
re: #774 ggt
from this article:
I promise to stop chasing squirrels with my lawnmower. I want my Peace Prize!
No, I haven't actually stopped chasing them yet. But I can contribute to that stoppage, at some point in the future, so I deserve the prize! Fork it over.
792 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:27:12am |
793 | truth stick Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:27:34am |
re: #765 arethusa
According to this list of qualified nominators, I am qualified to nominate someone for a Nobel. Any takers?
//
MEMEMEMEMEMMEMEME... I would like to have world peas, and teach the world to sing. Does that qualify me for the award?
///
794 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:27:34am |
795 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:28:18am |
re: #733 John Neverbend
Good idea. I've already looked at the list, but here it is:
Norman Borlaug won the year I was born.
796 | crashnburn Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:28:49am |
re: #790 lawhawk
I'm disappointed that other more deserving candidates were not selected; others who could use the prestige to further their existing efforts - or give legitimacy to humanitarian efforts. Like Tsvangerai in Zimbabwe, for example.
Heck, you could even argue that Khadafi could receive a Nobel for ending his nuclear program and making efforts to rejoin the world community and stop support for terrorism. Those were tangible efforts carried out in the past decade.
But for me, this is par for the course with the Nobel Prizes in this area - it's a political decision that bears little resemblance to who is truly deserving.
Khadafi did this under GWB and was therefore tainted.
797 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:28:59am |
re: #774 ggt
So let me get this straight - the world is now safer? Iran barreling toward a nuclear weapon, Afghanistan situation degenerating with the Taliban gaining, North Korea still playing its game, the same violence in Africa as usual, etc.?
What is 'safer'?
798 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:29:36am |
re: #797 Dreader1962
So let me get this straight - the world is now safer? Iran barreling toward a nuclear weapon, Afghanistan situation degenerating with the Taliban gaining, North Korea still playing its game, the same violence in Africa as usual, etc.?
What is 'safer'?
I still haven't gotten my unicorn either!
799 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:29:47am |
re: #787 arethusa
Excellent. For which of your many future achievements should I put you down?
I plan to discover transporter technology, and a drug that will allow men to safely experience erections lasting more than four hours.
800 | gregb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:29:51am |
re: #781 vxbush
My Game Theory advisor at UCI in the late 80's was a pure, theoretical mathematician. His advisor of Arrow-Debreau fame won one in economics and he was nominated in '90? '91? (I can't remember exactly). He didn't win it that year. He claimed it was because he was black. The next year they gave it to Fogel for the economics of slavery.
801 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:30:01am |
re: #764 Ray in TX
haha, I would not call myself a liberal. I used to call myself a conservative and a Republican. Since the parties have re-aligned, I'm now more of an independent, although I can assure you that my values have not changed in the interim! :P
stick with your principles...we have no control over what name others label us with
802 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:30:15am |
re: #797 Dreader1962
So let me get this straight - the world is now safer? Iran barreling toward a nuclear weapon, Afghanistan situation degenerating with the Taliban gaining, North Korea still playing its game, the same violence in Africa as usual, etc.?
What is 'safer'?
Reducing American imperialism and cowboy diplomacy. Apparently.
803 | irish rose Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:30:39am |
re: #786 John Neverbend
Good morning. Are you well today?
Better, thanks.
Trying to catch up on laundry.
804 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:30:39am |
re: #798 ggt
I still haven't gotten my unicorn either!
I got mine yesterday...but I immediately killed it for the nourishment of its blood
805 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:30:46am |
re: #773 lawhawk
As for the issue of Iraqi refugees - care to provide a figure how many refugees were present around the world as a result of Saddam's policies over the years, or how many were displaced in Iraq as a result of Saddam's plans - the numbers would dwarf those displaced as a result of the US efforts in Iraq.
Watch it. That's a pretty dangerous position to take I think.
806 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:31:02am |
re: #767 lawhawk
Are you kidding me? The source you claim as authoritative has been thoroughly debunked, and the casualties in Iraq are actually besides the point. Eliminating a dictatorship that sponsored international terrorism, engaged in repeated wars, violated international consensus (17 UN SCRs) and threatened regional stability was a good thing.
Throw in the overthrow of the Taliban regime that harbored al Qaeda in Afghanistan, and you've got far more people liberated from odious regimes than those who were killed or displaced in such efforts (or killed by those same evil regimes in the years prior).
No, I am not kidding you. The "Bush doctrine" by it's very definition is an anathema to the principles of the Nobel Peace prize.
W was an extremely weak sequel to his father, who was FAR MORE deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize. You know him.. the guy that actually assembled a willing coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait from said dictator, and then set the policies in place to disarm him?
808 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:31:30am |
re: #800 gregb
My Game Theory advisor at UCI in the late 80's was a pure, theoretical mathematician. His advisor of Arrow-Debreau fame won one in economics and he was nominated in '90? '91? (I can't remember exactly). He didn't win it that year. He claimed it was because he was black. The next year they gave it to Fogel for the economics of slavery.
I don't know anyone personally who has won, but for a while it was interesting reading the AMS bulletin each year and listening to folks take on the award-winning mathematician.
/thoughts of "A Beautiful Mind"
809 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:32:14am |
I promised my kid something special if he brought his grades up. He seems to be studying hard. I think I'll go ahead and give him the prize now.
/
810 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:32:15am |
Phase 1: Collect Nobel
Phase 2:
Phase 3: World Peace
812 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:32:53am |
re: #804 Leonidas Hoplite
I got mine yesterday...but I immediately killed it for the nourishment of its blood
You are cursed to a half-life now.
gah!
813 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:32:53am |
re: #772 bloodnok
Not by definition. But you knew that.
(from the LGF Dictionary)
moby - An insidious and specialized type of left-wing troll who visits blogs and impersonates a conservative for the purpose of either spreading false rumors intended to sow dissension among conservative voters, or who purposely posts inflammatory and offensive comments for the purpose of discrediting the blog in question.
yes I did...but another blog will use another term for the same thing, no doubt...if there is another blog with it's own cool dictionary that is
814 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:33:24am |
My god, look at this: screenshot from memorandum right now: no-one is talking about ANYTHING but the Nobel. Wingnutsphere frothing over and the entire newscycle taken over:
[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]
815 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:33:30am |
816 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:33:47am |
re: #790 lawhawk
I'm disappointed that other more deserving candidates were not selected; others who could use the prestige to further their existing efforts - or give legitimacy to humanitarian efforts. Like Tsvangerai in Zimbabwe, for example.
Heck, you could even argue that Khadafi could receive a Nobel for ending his nuclear program and making efforts to rejoin the world community and stop support for terrorism. Those were tangible efforts carried out in the past decade.
But for me, this is par for the course with the Nobel Prizes in this area - it's a political decision that bears little resemblance to who is truly deserving.
Yes, I agree with that. There were likely candidates more deserving that Obama.
But can you imagine the heads exploding if Khadafi had won? The sound of exploding heads would have been deafening. The world is supposed to be black and white, man.. BLACK AND WHITE!
/
817 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:34:01am |
Whoa. Freaky tree, catching on fire and massively looking freaky and dangerous from rubbing up against power lines.
(no embed code available; not from YouTube)
[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]
818 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:34:26am |
re: #812 ggt
You are cursed to a half-life now.
gah!
Dang, forgot about that. Better get busy making horcruxes.
820 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:34:39am |
re: #814 iceweasel
My god, look at this: screenshot from memorandum right now: no-one is talking about ANYTHING but the Nobel. Wingnutsphere frothing over and the entire newscycle taken over:
[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]
Why are you surprised?
822 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:34:54am |
823 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:35:08am |
re: #814 iceweasel
My god, look at this: screenshot from memorandum right now: no-one is talking about ANYTHING but the Nobel. Wingnutsphere frothing over and the entire newscycle taken over:
Does Memeorandum cover all news sources, irrespective of their political hue?
824 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:35:18am |
re: #757 Ray in TX
The link said 655,000 in one study and others lower. The actual number was irrelevant to the point I was addressing.
I note there was no objection by anyone to the figure of 2 million refugees. I guess that means no one has a problem with millions of people crossing international borders to escape their impoverished country.
//
Since we are fellow Texans...I agree with your point that Bush did not deserve a Peace prize and my guess is he would be the first to agree. I was only objecting to your casualty figure and maybe since you are somewhat new you were unaware that the source you quoted had been debunked here by Lizard command. Just for future reference stay away from quoting how many abortions Dr. Tiller had performed...Charles has acidified a few of those claims as well.
825 | Chekote Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:35:28am |
re: #730 Coracle
It is not asinine. What is asinine is thinking that racism only comes in the Robert S. McCain form. It doesn't. Demading less from people based on their race is a form of racism. Obama was nominated for the Peace Prize twelve days into his term. He probably was still learning his way around the White House and yet these clowns thought he had done enough to be considered. Why not wait until Obama actually had a chance to accomplish something?
826 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:35:42am |
827 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:35:55am |
re: #822 Mad Al-Jaffee
Compared to who? I'll be 40 next year!
Compared to me, of course. I was alive and fully self-aware in 1970.
829 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:36:10am |
830 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:36:34am |
re: #827 John Neverbend
Compared to me, of course. I was alive and fully self-aware in 1970.
Your name wouldn't be Skynet by any chance?
831 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:37:05am |
re: #828 jill e
Wondering what Sarkozy's thinking about this...
Oh, I would love to see his reaction uninhibited. Heh.
832 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:37:19am |
re: #817 vxbush
Whoa. Freaky tree, catching on fire and massively looking freaky and dangerous from rubbing up against power lines.
(no embed code available; not from YouTube)
[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]
Dang.
833 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:37:20am |
re: #822 Mad Al-Jaffee
Compared to who? I'll be 40 next year!
Geezer. My birthyear laureate was Oscar Arias Sanchez.
835 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:37:27am |
836 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:37:32am |
re: #817 vxbush
Whoa. Freaky tree, catching on fire and massively looking freaky and dangerous from rubbing up against power lines.
(no embed code available; not from YouTube)
[Link: www.collegehumor.com...]
You know, if it wasn't for the evil conservatives, that tree could have been in treatment--on meds and be living a perfectly wonderful life now.
Yet another reason we need a single-payer healthcare plan for the nation.
/
837 | karmic_inquisitor Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:37:37am |
re: #749 lawhawk
LOL.
Would that include the UAV airstrikes that have increased in number (and casualties) since Obama took office?
That is rationalized as a continuation of Bush.
Question is - how will this effect Obama's decision making going forward. Think "legacy".
838 | brennant Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:38:03am |
I feel sorry for the the commanders and soldiers in Afghanistan, waiting for direction from their commander... instead they get to watch a speech about the Nobel prize.
839 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:38:05am |
I'm betting Ob-ma wishes he didn't get this award...for the next few days, people will be analyzing what he has accomplished...
840 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:38:14am |
re: #828 jill e
Wondering what Sarkozy's thinking about this...
He's too busy with the problems of his Foreign Minister. An interesting lesson there I think:
If you are going to be the Foreign Minister, don't write a book about how you paid young men for sex on your travels in South East Asia and North Africa. It might be construed as... well... bad.
841 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:38:17am |
re: #827 John Neverbend
Compared to me, of course. I was alive and fully self-aware in 1970.
I was a senior in high school in 1970. I was self aware
Sadly, that hot cheerleader didn;t even know I existed!
842 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:38:18am |
re: #823 John Neverbend
Does Memeorandum cover all news sources, irrespective of their political hue?
It covers all news but you can customize it.
843 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:38:28am |
re: #830 enoughalready
Your name wouldn't be Skynet by any chance?
No, nicht, nein, different other chap! (launches nuclear missiles and cyborg army simultaneously)
844 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:38:34am |
re: #836 ggt
You know, if it wasn't for the evil conservatives, that tree could have been in treatment--on meds and be living a perfectly wonderful life now.
Yet another reason we need a single-payer healthcare plan for the nation.
/
His tree friends should have had an intervention; there was no need for the suicide.
/
846 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:13am |
re: #825 Chekote
It is not asinine. What is asinine is thinking that racism only comes in the Robert S. McCain form. It doesn't. Demading less from people based on their race is a form of racism. Obama was nominated for the Peace Prize twelve days into his term. He probably was still learning his way around the White House and yet these clowns thought he had done enough to be considered. Why not wait until Obama actually had a chance to accomplish something?
What's the quote?
The soft prejudice of low expectations?
Who said that?
hmmm
847 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:16am |
re: #839 charpete67
I'm betting Ob-ma wishes he didn't get this award...for the next few days, people will be analyzing what he has accomplished...
And bringing up the fact that both Al Gore and Jimmy Carter each have one!
848 | Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:23am |
re: #814 iceweasel
My god, look at this: screenshot from memorandum right now: no-one is talking about ANYTHING but the Nobel. Wingnutsphere frothing over and the entire newscycle taken over:
[Link: www.memeorandum.com...]
You know they're furious. They're so furious, I'm laughing.
849 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:33am |
re: #833 lazardo
Geezer. My birthyear laureate was Oscar Arias Sanchez.
I have friends on Facebook who were born when I was in high school. Some are quite attractive young women. Almost makes me feel kind of creepy. :)
850 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:37am |
re: #840 enoughalready
He's too busy with the problems of his Foreign Minister. An interesting lesson there I think:
If you are going to be the Foreign Minister, don't write a book about how you paid young men for sex on your travels in South East Asia and North Africa. It might be construed as... well... bad.
I thought Mitterand was the French Culture Minister?
851 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:44am |
Well, I have to go for now...re: #839 charpete67
I'm betting Ob-ma wishes he didn't get this award...for the next few days, people will be analyzing what he has accomplished...
Perhaps, so, when he'd rather be pushing health reform.
Why "Ob-ma" ?
852 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:44am |
Carter says the award shows the Obama administration represents hope not only for Americans, but for people around the world.
LOL
This is just pitiful attempt to influence Obama not to send troops to Afganistan.
853 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:39:51am |
re: #848 Sharmuta
You know they're furious. They're so furious, I'm laughing.
Huffpo is huffing and po-ing.
854 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:40:26am |
re: #810 Mad Al-Jaffee
Phase 1: Collect Nobel
Phase 2: [Datee nite on Broadway]
Phase 3: World Peace
855 | Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:40:35am |
re: #825 Chekote
It is not asinine. What is asinine is thinking that racism only comes in the Robert S. McCain form. It doesn't. Demading less from people based on their race is a form of racism. Obama was nominated for the Peace Prize twelve days into his term. He probably was still learning his way around the White House and yet these clowns thought he had done enough to be considered. Why not wait until Obama actually had a chance to accomplish something?
That logic I don't object to. Heck, I agree with it. I believe he was nominated in "anticipation" or assumption of great deeds, likely by political ideologues who favored him, and won with the support of like minded people who wanted to make that same statement irrespective of his accomplishments so far. However, that's not the reason you gave in #690. You called it racism and bigotry, not politics or ideology. And that is asinine.
856 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:40:41am |
Just to make us American's feel a little better about the Nobel prizes this year. Winners so far this year:
Physics: 3 American Citizens
Chemistry: 2 American citizens, 1 Citizen of Israel.
Medicine: 3 American Citizens
Literature: 1 Romanian Citizen
Peace: 1 American Citizen
Economics: To Be Announced.
857 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:40:41am |
re: #850 arethusa
I thought Mitterand was the French Culture Minister?
You're right of course. I am unfortunately in bed with a pretty bad case of H1N1/A so I blame the fever.
858 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:40:56am |
re: #844 vxbush
His tree friends should have had an intervention; there was no need for the suicide.
/
It's the Bushs' fault.
/
859 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:41:03am |
re: #851 Ray in TX
Well, I have to go for now...
Perhaps, so, when he'd rather be pushing health reform.
Why "Ob-ma" ?
out of respect for the chosen one...
860 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:41:38am |
re: #856 Big Steve
Just to make us American's feel a little better about the Nobel prizes this year. Winners so far this year:
Physics: 3 American Citizens
Chemistry: 2 American citizens, 1 Citizen of Israel.
Medicine: 3 American Citizens
Literature: 1 Romanian Citizen
Peace: 1 American Citizen
Economics: To Be Announced.
Hence, even-handedness with Obama's win!
/ q:
861 | freetoken Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:42:02am |
862 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:42:25am |
re: #823 John Neverbend
Does Memeorandum cover all news sources, irrespective of their political hue?
yes. It's a snapshot of the political web. It's US though, really.
863 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:42:32am |
re: #824 Big Steve
Since we are fellow Texans...I agree with your point that Bush did not deserve a Peace prize and my guess is he would be the first to agree. I was only objecting to your casualty figure and maybe since you are somewhat new you were unaware that the source you quoted had been debunked here by Lizard command.
Honestly, I tuned out the casualty numbers after the 2004 elections. I haven't been keeping up with them. They were already too many, in my opinion, so 100K, 200K, 600K, it's all pretty much a crime against Iraq at this point.
If we had found a WMD program, Bush would have been vindicated and my opinion of the invasion would be completely reversed. But that's not how reality turned out.
864 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:42:34am |
re: #856 Big Steve
Just to make us American's feel a little better about the Nobel prizes this year. Winners so far this year:
Physics: 3 American Citizens
Chemistry: 2 American citizens, 1 Citizen of Israel.
Medicine: 3 American Citizens
Literature: 1 Romanian Citizen
Peace: 1 American Citizen
Economics: To Be Announced.
America, America, fuck yeah!
865 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:43:06am |
re: #856 Big Steve
Just to make us American's feel a little better about the Nobel prizes this year. Winners so far this year:
Physics: 3 American Citizens
Chemistry: 2 American citizens, 1 Citizen of Israel.
Medicine: 3 American Citizens
Literature: 1 Romanian Citizen
Peace: 1 American Citizen
Economics: To Be Announced.
Must be a mistake, everyone know America has done nothing for the world except export war and torture and gobble up natural resources and Chinese savings accounts. I demand a link.
866 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:43:22am |
re: #861 freetoken
Hah! Where is the long form!?
//
I was wondering how many posts it would take for a birther comment!
867 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:43:32am |
re: #849 Mad Al-Jaffee
I have friends on Facebook who were born when I was in high school. Some are quite attractive young women. Almost makes me feel kind of creepy. :)
My girl friend was born while I was in high school. Now that is creepy.
868 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:44:00am |
869 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:44:04am |
re: #859 charpete67
out of respect for the chosen one...
Ob_ma. Looks kinda like a Scrabble word spelled with a blank tile.
870 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:44:18am |
re: #867 filetandrelease
My girl friend was born while I was in high school. Now that is creepy.
yowza!
871 | Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:44:46am |
re: #859 charpete67
Too clever by half. Very little difference from the equally idiotic "shrub".
872 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:44:47am |
re: #867 filetandrelease
My girl friend was born while I was in high school. Now that is creepy.
Only if you are in college now.
873 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:45:04am |
874 | njdhockeyfan Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:45:04am |
White House, World React To Obama's Nobel Award
The White House said it was surprised Friday on learning that President Obama would receive the Nobel Peace Prize, an announcement that prompted both admiration and skepticism from around the world after the Norwegian committee released the news.
Obama's press secretary Robert Gibbs said he learned about the prize from reporters and telephoned the White House early Friday to pass along the news to his boss.
The president's senior adviser, David Axelrod, said on MSNBC Friday that the he assumes Obama will go to Oslo to accept the prize, but he stressed that the announcement was "all news to us."
"I don't know what we're going to do with regards to that. I would assume so, but I don't know," he said.
The Norwegian Nobel Committee cited Obama's "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples." The statement was echoed by reaction elsewhere, which seemed to be more about Obama's promise as an international leader than his actual accomplishments to date.
Norway's prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, said "the exciting and important thing about this prize is that it's given to someone ... who has the power to contribute to peace."
Former recipient Mikhail Gorbachev, who won in 1990 for his efforts to end the Cold War, was among the first to offer his congratulations.
"In these hard times, people who are capable of taking responsibility, who have a vision (of problems), commitment and political will should be supported," Gorbachev was quoted by the Itar-Tass news agency as saying.
Former President Carter, who won the prize in 2002, two decades after leaving office, said it was a "bold statement of international support for [Obama's] vision and commitment."
British Prime Minister Gordon Brown offered a private message of congratulations, while French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the prize confirms "America's return to the hearts of the people of the world."
The Nelson Mandela Foundation said: "We trust that this award will strengthen his commitment, as the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, to continue promoting peace and the eradication of poverty." Mandela shared the 1993 Peace Prize with then-South African President F.W. DeKlerk for their efforts to end apartheid.
South African Archbishop Demond Tutu, also a former recipient of the prize, said the award speaks to President Obama's message of hope.
In Indonesia, Masdar Mas'udi, a senior leader of the country's largest Muslim organization, praised the committee for its award.
"I think it's appropriate because he is the only American president who has reached out to us in peace. On the issues of race, religion, skin color, he has an open attitude," the leader said.
Elsewhere in the Arab and Muslim world the reaction was less charitable.
In the Middle East, Hamas official Sami Abu Zuhr said Obama "has a long way to go still and lots of work to do before he can deserve a reward."
In Pakistan, Liaqat Baluch, a senior leader of the Jamaat-e-Islami, a conservative religious party, called the award "a joke".
"How embarrassing for those who awarded it to him because he's done nothing for peace. What change has he brought in Iraq, the Middle East or Afghanistan?"
Obama is expected to make a statement on the award at 10:30 a.m. Friday in the White House Rose Garden, spokesman Bill Burton said.
875 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:45:12am |
(and I am truly sorry for that comment. Sort of. I have a fever.)
876 | Big Steve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:45:15am |
re: #865 Leonidas Hoplite
Must be a mistake, everyone know America has done nothing for the world except export war and torture and gobble up natural resources and Chinese savings accounts. I demand a link.
And remember according to Michael Moore we are crappy in medicine as well
877 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:45:37am |
878 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:45:42am |
re: #859 charpete67
out of respect for the chosen one...
See, I don't get this either. ALL political leaders have their ardent followers who basically worship the ground they walk on.
But Bush.. he had an entire demographic that literally thought he was selected by God to lead the country. In fact, I believe that the 2004 Republican Convention had a speaker talking about it.
So it seems hypocritical for any Bush supporters to suddenly act like it's crazy for some Democrats to think that Obama walks on water. It's just part of the political landscape, and one that Bush greatly benefitted from during his administration.
879 | enoughalready Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:45:59am |
re: #873 thedopefishlives
*groan*
Not the old WMD canard again. It's getting to be an Internet meme.
Huh what? What is becoming an internet meme?
880 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:46:08am |
I think a lot of people are saying "For what?" incredulously today.
881 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:46:10am |
re: #863 Ray in TX
Honestly, I tuned out the casualty numbers after the 2004 elections. I haven't been keeping up with them. They were already too many, in my opinion, so 100K, 200K, 600K, it's all pretty much a crime against Iraq at this point.
If we had found a WMD program, Bush would have been vindicated and my opinion of the invasion would be completely reversed. But that's not how reality turned out.
how else would Hussein be deposed?, or the UN resolutions enforced?
882 | badger1970 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:46:34am |
re: #776 John Neverbend
So all in favour of nuclear war need not apply?
As is in peace through strength (MAD) would probably not make the cut. / rwr
883 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:46:40am |
re: #863 Ray in TX
Honestly, I tuned out the casualty numbers after the 2004 elections. I haven't been keeping up with them. They were already too many, in my opinion, so 100K, 200K, 600K, it's all pretty much a crime against Iraq at this point.
If we had found a WMD program, Bush would have been vindicated and my opinion of the invasion would be completely reversed. But that's not how reality turned out.
Let me get this straight - if we had found (more) evidence of a WMD program, 600,000 civilian casualties would have been all right? These casualties (whatever the number) were mainly caused by factional fighting, not US munitions.
But it's just WMD you're concerned about. You're probably among the people that claim that Bush 'lied' about the intelligence that was reported concerning a WMD program. I personally know that this is not the case. But of course talking heads on the internet, with no security clearance or access to the intelligence agencies during that period know more than me.
You seem to hint that Bush should have been prosecuted for war crimes - am I correct in that impression of your view?
884 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:46:47am |
885 | Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:47:21am |
re: #301 iceweasel
Rubbish.
And I'm exceptionally bored with people typing a zero in for the O in Obama. Can't the ODS sufferers come up with some wittier nicknames?
C'mon, we had to put up with hearing "shrub" for 8 years; you guys can stand to see "0bama" for 4 years.
:)
886 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:47:44am |
887 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:47:46am |
re: #879 enoughalready
Huh what? What is becoming an internet meme?
People trotting out the "Bush didn't find any WMD's in Iraq" excuse. I see it all over the place.
888 | Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:48:08am |
re: #880 EmmmieG
I think a lot of people are saying "For what?" incredulously today.
Probably including Obama.
889 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:48:14am |
re: #874 njdhockeyfan
most of that sounds like a SNL parody
890 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:48:16am |
re: #848 Sharmuta
re: #853 John Neverbend
Huffpo is huffing and po-ing.
From those far rightys at HuffPo
TexasNan1048: OH Gosh, now Michelle Obama will have to run out to buy more sleeveless dresses for her toned arms with that $1+ million dollars
ShadowEuphoria: RT ChasiMo WTF? Is today April Fool's Day?!? Obama winning the Nobel Prize? NASA bombing the Moon? What is next, Megan Fox is really a man?!
891 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:48:53am |
re: #885 Guanxi88
C'mon, we had to put up with hearing "shrub" for 8 years; you guys can stand to see "0bama" for 4 years.
:)
Shrub bored me then too and i never used it-- or Bushitler, for that matter.
892 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:48:57am |
re: #885 Guanxi88
C'mon, we had to put up with hearing "shrub" for 8 years; you guys can stand to see "0bama" for 4 years.
:)
It's gonna be 8, just accept it now.
893 | Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:49:09am |
re: #885 Guanxi88
C'mon, we had to put up with hearing "shrub" for 8 years; you guys can stand to see "0bama" for 4 years.
:)
Idiotic then, idiotic now. It can stop anytime, please.
894 | jvic Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:49:13am |
Let's get the ODS formalities out of the way. Presume that this right-of-center libertarian has thrown the expected tantrum and shrieked the expected shrieks. Never mind that I voted for Obama.
Although unhappy with Obama's performance to date, I have noted that the successful Clinton Presidency looked like a failure after its first two years. It took a lot to get Slick Willy's attention; once it was gotten, he responded constructively. (Wrt Clinton of course I distinguish between public and personal virtue.)
IMHO Obama needs ego deflation. (Deflation, not humiliation.) This award is counterproductive to that end.
895 | Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:49:27am |
re: #770 freetoken
So... let me ask the impolitic question, to those who seem to be upset about the announcement by the Nobel committee: Why the emotion?
No, really. What is it that is driving so much emotion over this issue. Being nonplussed I can understand. However, for those who seem to be taking umbrage at this event... why?
Freetoken- it's because we're supposed to want Obama to fail, remember? This is not Obama failing. This is Obama winning- again.
896 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:49:30am |
re: #887 thedopefishlives
People trotting out the "Bush didn't find any WMD's in Iraq" excuse. I see it all over the place.
Because he didn't.
897 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:49:38am |
re: #878 Ray in TX
See, I don't get this either. ALL political leaders have their ardent followers who basically worship the ground they walk on.
But Bush.. he had an entire demographic that literally thought he was selected by God to lead the country. In fact, I believe that the 2004 Republican Convention had a speaker talking about it.
So it seems hypocritical for any Bush supporters to suddenly act like it's crazy for some Democrats to think that Obama walks on water. It's just part of the political landscape, and one that Bush greatly benefitted from during his administration.
Polticians deserve mockery at every step regardless of political affiliation. I always laughed heartily at caricatures of Bush even though I voted for him twice.
898 | Semper Fi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:49:59am |
re: #733 John Neverbend
Good idea. I've already looked at the list, but here it is:
Glancing at the list looks like the key word is, "efforts." Still B.O. hasn't been in office long enough to qualify for efforts. This is so political. The Nobel Committee deserves some sort of booby prize.
899 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:50:18am |
re: #881 albusteve
how else would Hussein be deposed?, or the UN resolutions enforced?
If you recall, we had WMD inspectors in Iraq at the time. They were enforcing the UN resolutions and were even coming to the conclusion (correctly) that there was no WMD program in place.
However, the invasion date had already been set, so we had to kick out the inspectors and start knocking heads.
If Bush HAD let the inspectors finish and accepted their conclusions, then economic sanctions against a disarmed Iraq would likely have been lifted. >>> Bush wins Nobel Peace prize?
900 | Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:50:48am |
901 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:50:50am |
re: #885 Guanxi88
C'mon, we had to put up with hearing "shrub" for 8 years; you guys can stand to see "0bama" for 4 years.
:)
It's only funny when the OTHER kid trips and spills his lunch all over the hot chick at school, not when YOU do it!
902 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:50:50am |
re: #894 jvic
Let's get the ODS formalities out of the way. Presume that this right-of-center libertarian has thrown the expected tantrum and shrieked the expected shrieks. Never mind that I voted for Obama.
Although unhappy with Obama's performance to date, I have noted that the successful Clinton Presidency looked like a failure after its first two years. It took a lot to get Slick Willy's attention; once it was gotten, he responded constructively. (Wrt Clinton of course I distinguish between public and personal virtue.)
IMHO Obama needs ego deflation. (Deflation, not humiliation.) This award is counterproductive to that end.
Yeah, The "Contract with America" comes to mind.
903 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:51:01am |
re: #891 iceweasel
Shrub bored me then too and i never used it-- or Bushitler, for that matter.
Let's look at it from a practical matter - if you are trying to search comments for mentions of Obama, you now have to include all of these 'aliases'. I have never used this and never will, but I'm sure that it is useful for the people advocating violence to obfuscate the name of their 'target'.
All of LGF should consider this before using these 'alternates' of Obama.
904 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:51:35am |
re: #893 Coracle
Idiotic then, idiotic now. It can stop anytime, please.
I appluad you if you were calling for a stop to it "now" then!
906 | Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:52:29am |
re: #903 Dreader1962
Let's look at it from a practical matter - if you are trying to search comments for mentions of Obama, you now have to include all of these 'aliases'. I have never used this and never will, but I'm sure that it is useful for the people advocating violence to obfuscate the name of their 'target'.
All of LGF should consider this before using these 'alternates' of Obama.
Following that line of logic, any word could be substituted; wouldn't it be easier just not to write anything at all?
907 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:52:50am |
re: #883 Dreader1962
Let me get this straight - if we had found (more) evidence of a WMD program, 600,000 civilian casualties would have been all right? These casualties (whatever the number) were mainly caused by factional fighting, not US munitions.
There was no evidence found of an active WMD program in Iraq. That, more than anything else, is probably what doomed Bush's opinion on the international stage.
But it's just WMD you're concerned about. You're probably among the people that claim that Bush 'lied' about the intelligence that was reported concerning a WMD program.
You're probably among the people that beat their children. See? I can make up shit, too.
You seem to hint that Bush should have been prosecuted for war crimes - am I correct in that impression of your view?
No.
908 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:53:08am |
re: #896 iceweasel
Because he didn't.
Actually, quite a bit of stuff was found there
[Link: www.defenselink.mil...]
(just one of many reports)
909 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:53:09am |
re: #903 Dreader1962
Let's look at it from a practical matter - if you are trying to search comments for mentions of Obama, you now have to include all of these 'aliases'. I have never used this and never will, but I'm sure that it is useful for the people advocating violence to obfuscate the name of their 'target'.
All of LGF should consider this before using these 'alternates' of Obama.
Huh?
910 | ohpleaseno Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:53:14am |
re: #873 thedopefishlives
*groan*
Not the old WMD canard again. It's getting to be an Internet meme.
You mean the reason for invading in the first place? Quite the canard indeed!
911 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:53:36am |
re: #896 iceweasel
Because he didn't.
Yes - seems that some folks now think you can dismiss a fact by simply characterizing it as a meme!
912 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:53:44am |
re: #897 Leonidas Hoplite
Polticians deserve mockery at every step regardless of political affiliation. I always laughed heartily at caricatures of Bush even though I voted for him twice.
That's fair enough. Kudos!
913 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:54:23am |
914 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:54:51am |
re: #910 ohpleaseno
You mean the reason for invading in the first place? Quite the canard indeed!
yeah...I'd like to hear Ted Kennedy's take on that...maybe Kerry to speak for them both and clear the air
915 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:55:03am |
re: #899 Ray in TX
If Bush HAD let the inspectors finish and accepted their conclusions, then economic sanctions against a disarmed Iraq would likely have been lifted. >>> Bush wins Nobel Peace prize?
And Saddam and sons would have turned over a new leaf and become upright pillars of decency in the Middle East from that point henceforth. Uh-huh.
916 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:55:13am |
917 | The Sanity Inspector Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:55:26am |
re: #232 right_wing2
The Obamessiah deserves the Peace Prize about like my cat deserves to fly with the Thunderbirds. The man is totally clueless.
It's like they gave him an Olympic Gold Medal before he even got his sneaks laced up.
918 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:55:31am |
re: #906 Guanxi88
Following that line of logic, any word could be substituted; wouldn't it be easier just not to write anything at all?
No - I'm saying that when pertinent, one should use 'the President', or 'Obama', or 'President Obama'. I didn't vote for the man, but it's petty to use other terms and as I mentioned, seems to have the intent of throwing off searches in comments. Not that I think that it is typical of here, but I really believe it to be the intent of some people on other blogs.
One can say 'Obama has a lousy economic policy' and get the point across without mixing in this useless snark.
Why copy their bad habits?
919 | Coracle Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:55:40am |
re: #904 sattv4u2
I appluad you if you were calling for a stop to it "now" then!
I was not on LGF during the Bush presidency, but on plenty of other forums where I harangued others about derogatory names, not just of the president but also of "Rethuglicans" and "Democrits" and the like.
920 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:56:12am |
Its simple, these guys got too excited. So excited they came to a premature conclusion. ;)
Carter got his after the treaty was signed, sealed delivered. So if Pres. Obama gets a deal between Israel and Syria, or even the Palestinians (okay I'm stretching some) he gets another Nobel?
921 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:56:22am |
I just spelled characterizing with a 'z' and I liked it. ;-)
923 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:56:51am |
re: #907 Ray in TX
No.
Let me ask directly - do you believe that Bush lied about the intelligence regarding WMD in Iraq prior to the war?
924 | Right Brain Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:57:15am |
re: #669 John Neverbend
And Desmond Tutu echoed similar sentiments. I can well believe that the Nobel Prize Committee thinks that the award of the prize will bolster Obama's authority and help him achieve his future goals concerning Middle East peace and global nuclear weaponry. However, I believe this to be badly mistaken.
This is the continued interference by a group of Norwegians in America's internal politics: They should have given the Nobel to President Carter in 1979 for the peace treaty he brokered between Egypt and Israel, instead they gave it to Arafat. They gave it to Carter 23 years later in 2002 after he opposed the Iraq re-invasion as a way to stick it to President Bush. They should have given it to President Reagan for ending the forty year long cold war that endangered the world, instead giving it to Gorbachev for...what going along? They should have given Al Gore the prize for Earth in the Balance in 1992, but instead gave it to him 18 years later when he started harassing the Bush administration.
Now on the eve of a health care vote and a ramping up of Afghanistan they give it to President Obama, I guess for things he might do.
925 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:57:22am |
re: #911 Jimmah
Yes - seems that some folks now think you can dismiss a fact by simply characterizing it as a meme!
You two done bashing me yet? I'm not ignorant of the facts; I know that we didn't actually FIND any WMD on the ground. That doesn't mean there weren't any there in the first place, as appears to be commonly believed.
927 | brennant Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:58:08am |
re: #908 sattv4u2
Did they find anything newer than the 80s for chemical weapons?
928 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:58:22am |
re: #758 irish rose
Obama was elected to office by the American majority. I don't like it, but I'm doing my best to respect the office of the Presidency and respect my sons' commander in chief. I'm doing it because I think it's the right thing to do.
But the Nobel Peace Prize?
Hell no!Good morning, lizardia.
Interesting paragraph in a Yahoo AP story...
"The prize seems to be more for Obama's promise than for his performance. Work on the president's ambitious agenda, both at home and abroad, is barely underway, much less finished. He has no standout moment of victory that would seem to warrant a verdict as sweeping as that issued by the Nobel committee."
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
I'm going to relate a little story to you about Nobel prizes, in an area I am very familiar with. Nilo Cruz won the Nobel prize for drama for his play "Anna in the Tropics." In my opinion, it was a wonderful work. If it deserved the Nobel prize, I don't know, that's not the issue here.
The issue is, the piece of work did NOT meet all the requirements of a play submitted for consideration. An important qualification was that the play must have a professional production. This show never had any production except 2 staged readings.
But the committee made a decision to for go the that rule and Cruz was given the prize.
It was a very good play, no doubt and eventually had a very successful run on Broadway and in many regional theaters across the country.
But, the committee handled the Cruz play the same way they are handling this Peace prize, putting the cart before the horse and hoping that it will bear fruit.
929 | karmic_inquisitor Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:58:32am |
Can I point something out?
Obama is a politician. As such he seeks political power. It turns out, by some odd coincidence, that there are other politicians in Washington. Ones that want the power that Obama has.
Now get ready for this part - it may strike some as earth shattering - but Obama once wanted the power that Bush had. When he was in that position he would criticize the president of the United States. And it just so happens that politicians who want Obama's power are criticising him.
Check your pulse. Breathe easy. It may take some getting used to.
930 | Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:58:55am |
Sure takes the bounce out of the 'Losing the Olympics' parade.
931 | jdog29 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:59:00am |
Tim Tebow was just awarded this year's Heisman trophy this morning too.
932 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 7:59:23am |
It is a mockery that Obama was awarded the peace prize so early before he really had a chance to accomplish anything regarding actual peace. There is a possibility he could deserve it in the future, but to give it to him now, just lame.
933 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:00:20am |
re: #921 Jimmah
I just spelled characterizing with a 'z' and I liked it. ;-)
I just called a'zed' a 'zee' and I liked it. :)
935 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:00:21am |
re: #927 brennant
Did they find anything newer than the 80s for chemical weapons?
I don't remember. I recall reading that (and other) reprts years ago
But let me ask you
If you were exposed to and died due to it, would you care what "vintge" it was?
Yes, I know that SOME of the biological materials lose potency over time, but not all do and not all lose 100%
Even a little mustard gas could ruin your day!
936 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:01:03am |
Didn't Saddam actually tell his Generals where the WMDs were, but when the US Army came knocking on the door and the Generals wanted to move them out, he told them he was just bluffing to scare the Iranians?
/checking against the stuff you guys gave me...
937 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:01:04am |
re: #935 sattv4u2
Does anyone doubt an unfettered Saddam would have re armed?
938 | StillAMarine Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:01:04am |
GREAT EXPECTATIONS!
For what other reason could Obama have earned a Nobel Prize for Peace?
He has not done anything to warrant such a prize, as a matter of fact he has endangered peace with his naivety and artlessness. I would really love to see Obama succeed and actually do something that promotes peace, but so far only the opposite has been achieved.
939 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:01:19am |
Obama's about to speak in the Rose Garden on the Nobel Peace Prize.
940 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:01:49am |
Obama's going to tell us his reaction in a few minutes.
941 | Lee Coller Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:01:56am |
Here's the way I look at it. I simply ask the question, is Obama in the same class as other peace price recipients as Yasser Arafat? The answer is clearly no.
942 | jdog29 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:02:11am |
The Yankees just received this year's World Series trophy to go in the case with all the others.
944 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:02:23am |
re: #939 Danny
If the young rose plants do not yet have flowers, its an appropriate place.
945 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:02:32am |
re: #915 Danny
And Saddam and sons would have turned over a new leaf and become upright pillars of decency in the Middle East from that point henceforth. Uh-huh.
hey, I have no idea how an alternative future would have turned out. I was suggesting that if Bush had let the UN inspectors do their job and accepted their conclusions, then things might have turned out for the better.
And if they didn't, THEN he could have invaded. But let's not forget that Bush kicked out inspectors when they were saying that there was no active WMD program.
946 | Right Brain Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:02:44am |
re: #930 Sharmuta
Sure takes the bounce out of the 'Losing the Olympics' parade.
I assume that it was a factor, perhaps the deciding factor, those who are familiar with Scandinavian politics probably thought of this first.
948 | Bob Dillon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:02:48am |
re: #939 Danny
Obama's about to speak in the Rose Garden on the Nobel Peace Prize.
I guess the MSM is covering it on every channel.
949 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:03:18am |
re: #935 sattv4u2
I don't remember. I recall reading that (and other) reprts years ago
But let me ask you
In other words, No WMD in Iraq, and you'll make up a story now to pretend that there were.
950 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:03:24am |
re: #934 MikeySDCA
Pulitzer, not Nobel.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Sorry, you're correct. My wrong, wow totally. Still a good story on my part.
951 | Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:03:38am |
re: #257 SixDegrees
You're deliberately missing the point in an attempt to evade it. I'll simplify.
Late October, 2008:
Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and the corpse of Osama bin Laden walk into a bar. After a series of unusual and improbable events involving the INS, a team of State Department lawyers, the Happy Hour Special and voodoo, all three are granted American citizenship, with the stipulation that they must vote in the upcoming Presidential election.
Who do you think they cast their votes for?
Cynthia McKinney? ;)
952 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:03:44am |
re: #937 Rightwingconspirator
Does anyone doubt an unfettered Saddam would have re armed?
Sure. I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Bush 41 put the fear of God into him.
953 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:03:52am |
954 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:03:57am |
re: #925 thedopefishlives
You two done bashing me yet? I'm not ignorant of the facts; I know that we didn't actually FIND any WMD on the ground. That doesn't mean there weren't any there in the first place, as appears to be commonly believed.
Just bashing the silly statement you made, not you. It's what happens in the course of discussion.
About the WMD, I don't think now that there were any - although I do think Saddam Hussein played a game in which he sought to convince his own people that he did. He probably didn't count on the US intelligence being so easily 'fooled' as well.
955 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:04:12am |
re: #928 Walter L. Newton
CHARLES' delete this if you want, wrong prize, my stupid.
956 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:04:16am |
re: #936 lazardo
Didn't Saddam actually tell his Generals where the WMDs were, but when the US Army came knocking on the door and the Generals wanted to move them out, he told them he was just bluffing to scare the Iranians?
/checking against the stuff you guys gave me...
yes.
957 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:04:43am |
re: #923 Dreader1962
Let me ask directly - do you believe that Bush lied about the intelligence regarding WMD in Iraq prior to the war?
I don't think Bush read the intelligence, so how could he lie about it?
958 | jill e Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:00am |
Victor Davis Hanson:
Barack Obama's ten days at the helm of the U.S. I don't think quite earned him the nomination for the peace prize. Instead the committee, as in the case with Carter and Gore, is drawing on the former respect that the Nobel once garnered to influence contemporary policy. I think the message is that Obama is now supposed to get out of Afghanistan, leave Iraq, sign cap-and-trade, defer to the U.N., and shun the Israelis — just the sort of thing that is likely to make war much more likely.
959 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:08am |
re: #907 Ray in TX
But it's just WMD you're concerned about. You're probably among the people that claim that Bush 'lied' about the intelligence that was reported concerning a WMD program.
You're probably among the people that beat their children. See? I can make up shit, too.
You seem to hint that Bush should have been prosecuted for war crimes - am I correct in that impression of your view?
No.
I'm not making anything up - I was basing it upon your post in #687 - how else was I supposed to take your reply below?
re: #656 Chekote
Bush liberated 50 million people and got nothing but scorn and derision.
I presume you are talking about Iraq.
If by "liberated", you mean "forced to flee their homes in Iraq for safety in Syria and Jordan", then the number is closer to 2 million.
If by "liberated", you instead mean, "soul separated from host body", then the number is closer to 600,000 civilians. (hint: that's 200 times the number killed on 9/11 in a country just 1/10th the population of the US)
Bush is lucky that all he's gotten is scorn and derision.
960 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:12am |
re: #945 Ray in TX
hey, I have no idea how an alternative future would have turned out. I was suggesting that if Bush had let the UN inspectors do their job and accepted their conclusions, then things might have turned out for the better.
And if they didn't, THEN he could have invaded. But let's not forget that Bush kicked out inspectors when they were saying that there was no active WMD program.
yeah the UN oil for food worked out nicely...it's foolish to assume that anything involving the UN will accomplish it's goals
961 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:17am |
Here's my question: how long ago did the Nobel committee determine to award the prize to Obama? Was it yesterday? Days ago? Weeks ago?
962 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:26am |
re: #945 Ray in TX
The invasion would have been a mess no matter when it happened. I liked the plan that was leaked, after it was decided not to use it. In a nutshell it was invade the palaces, grab Saddam and his upper muckey mucks and scram. In and out. I just believe Saddam would act in the future much as he acted in the past. It would be the normal expectation...
964 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:31am |
re: #945 Ray in TX
hey, I have no idea how an alternative future would have turned out. I was suggesting that if Bush had let the UN inspectors do their job and accepted their conclusions, then things might have turned out for the better.
And if they didn't, THEN he could have invaded. But let's not forget that Bush kicked out inspectors when they were saying that there was no active WMD program.
What if the UN declares Iran free of Nuclear ambitions today, but our intelligence agencies believe otherwise?...not an rebuttal to your statements, just curious what you think we should do now.
966 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:05:53am |
re: #939 Danny
Obama's about to speak in the Rose Garden on the Nobel Peace Prize.
Assuming worshipful bow in front of TV now.
967 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:06:16am |
re: #913 charpete67
he used it all up on the Kurds and Iranians...
Which is why he was the darling of the Reagan administration
968 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:06:19am |
re: #945 Ray in TX
nd if they didn't, THEN he could have invaded. But let's not forget that Bush kicked out inspectors when they were saying that there was no active WMD program.
It was way overdue, IMHO.
969 | Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:06:31am |
re: #949 iceweasel
In other words, No WMD in Iraq, and you'll make up a story now to pretend that there were.
I can't believe we're still talking about this when we could, instead, join the rest of the world in praising the accomplishments of hope and change and such of President Obama, whose triumphs in the cause of world peace and reconciliation are so obvious as to require no real mention. C'mon, he got the Noble to allow the Committee the opportunity to continue pissing on GWB and wring the last traces of credibility from the prize.
(WH Press Sec. said Obama reported being "humbled" by the Prize. Well, there's a first time for everything.)
970 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:06:36am |
re: #966 Gearhead
Assuming worshipful bow in front of TV now.
No, just going to make a political capital deposit in his account.
971 | McSpiff Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:06:47am |
972 | brennant Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:07:05am |
re: #967 Ray in TX
Can't we just drop the lame supreme/deity/dear leader crap? It is terribly old.
973 | Bob Dillon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:07:15am |
re: #938 StillAMarine
If he feels the pressure to live up to it.
Well, let's see ... more pressure on the Israelis, no surge in Afgh, let the mullahs have the bomb.
I'm too old to do any more duck and cover drills like we did in the 50s. Probably won't matter anyway.
974 | jdog29 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:07:18am |
The International Olympic Committee just instructed all future Marathon Gold Medals to be mailed to Kenya, the Swiss just got Bobsled gold, and Argentina got the Men's Basketball gold (they figured the U.S. was due for another off year of squabbling and drama. //
976 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:07:33am |
re: #961 vxbush
Here's my question: how long ago did the Nobel committee determine to award the prize to Obama? Was it yesterday? Days ago? Weeks ago?
He was nominated in February. So I'd guess it was sometime before March. /
978 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:07:56am |
979 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:08:15am |
re: #949 iceweasel
In other words, No WMD in Iraq, and you'll make up a story now to pretend that there were.
"make up a story"
Linked for the Defense Dept. Wow ,,, I didn't know I had that kind of juice!
From the story I "made up"
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s
980 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:08:17am |
re: #973 Bobibutu
If he feels the pressure to live up to it.
Well, let's see ... more pressure on the Israelis, no surge in Afgh, let the mullahs have the bomb.
I'm too old to do any more duck and cover drills like we did in the 50s. Probably won't matter anyway.
That future article from the WSJ is suddenly looking less fantastic.
981 | BARACK THE VOTE Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:08:34am |
re: #954 Jimmah
OT: John Cole at Balloon Juice just posted about the Nobel-- and he's linked our video. :)
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
983 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:08:43am |
The DNC has this to say about Republicans criticizing the decision to award Obama the prize. (Short form: the GOP is on the side of terrorist groups like Hamas who also don't approve.)
However, the GOP is also on the side of Lech Walesa and Desmond Tutu on criticizing the decision. I'm so confused...
984 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:08:44am |
re: #959 Dreader1962I'm not making anything up - I was basing it upon your post in #687 - how else was I supposed to take your reply below?
Bush could have been impeached. He could have been censured.
So ya, you were making things up.
985 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:08:49am |
re: #978 Leonidas Hoplite
Pesky fellow, that Mr. Hanson
Okay, somebody brought breakfast through here, and I am now craving a sausage, egg, and biscuit sandwich so bad. With cheese.
986 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:09:07am |
re: #954 Jimmah
Just bashing the silly statement you made, not you. It's what happens in the course of discussion.
About the WMD, I don't think now that there were any - although I do think Saddam Hussein played a game in which he sought to convince his own people that he did. He probably didn't count on the US intelligence being so easily 'fooled' as well.
People watch shows like '24' and think that's the way things operate at the CIA, DIA, NSA (and so on). Believe me, it's more like the 'Keystone Kops', but without the humor.
987 | bloodnok Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:09:56am |
re: #981 iceweasel
OT: John Cole at Balloon Juice just posted about the Nobel-- and he's linked our video. :)
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
W00t! Way to go you two!
988 | Summersong Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:09:57am |
Nobel Peace Prize? LOL! Seriously? Now I've seen everything...well almost. The press conference will be on shortly.
989 | Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:10:53am |
re: #972 brennant
Can't we just drop the lame supreme/deity/dear leader crap? It is terribly old.
When folk stop falling out in the aisle at his rallies, when his starry-eyed supporters quit shrieking in religio-sexual frenzy at the sight of him in a public rally, when folk stop the free-lance obamoltary and children's choirs in his honor, then the supreme leader crap will stop.
991 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:11:16am |
re: #957 Ray in TX
I don't think Bush read the intelligence, so how could he lie about it?
Cute. Of course, the consensus of the intelligence community was that there was a threat. They were wrong.
But of course, you would rather think of Bush as an idiot. I can't dissuade you from that belief, so I won't try. We were a military force constantly flying over Iraq (and being shot at), so don't go painting Saddam as a guy that was about to reform due to sanctions and inspections.
992 | webevintage Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:11:23am |
Here's the deal Republicans.
You don't cheer when America loses out on the Olympics...it just makes you look bad.
And you don't boo when the POTUS gets a Nobel Peace Prize, it just reinforces that vague "not really the America First party" meme.
What you say is "what an honor for America" and then let it go.
993 | Leonidas Hoplite Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:11:35am |
re: #986 Dreader1962
Believe me, it's more like the 'Keystone Kops', but without the humor.
Well, some people are laughing but I suspect those that are do not wish us well
994 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:11:48am |
re: #983 arethusa
The DNC has this to say about Republicans criticizing the decision to award Obama the prize. (Short form: the GOP is on the side of terrorist groups like Hamas who also don't approve.)
However, the GOP is also on the side of Lech Walesa and Desmond Tutu on criticizing the decision. I'm so confused...
What criticizing did Desmond do? None according to this statement.
- “What wonderful recognition of someone who has already made such an impact on our planet with regards to the Muslim world, nuclear disarmament, climate change and, to some extent, the Middle East. He has reached out to the Arab world, including Iran, and North Korea.
“In a way, it’s an award – coming near the beginning of the first term of office of a relatively young President – that anticipates an even greater contribution towards making our world a safer place for all. It is an award that speaks to the promise of President Obama’s message of hope.
“The prize is a magnificent endorsement for the first African American President in history, who will become the first serving American President to receive the Nobel Peace Prize since Woodrow Wilson 90 years ago, for his role in founding the League of Nations.
“Heartiest congratulations.”
[Link: blackpoliticsontheweb.com...]
What?
995 | Ayeless in Ghazi Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:11:55am |
re: #981 iceweasel
OT: John Cole at Balloon Juice just posted about the Nobel-- and he's linked our video. :)
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
Fuckin 'A ice-ski! :)
996 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:12:06am |
re: #970 Walter L. Newton
No, just going to make a political capital deposit in his account.
Actually I was referring to myself.
//
997 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:12:20am |
re: #983 arethusa
The DNC has this to say about Republicans criticizing the decision to award Obama the prize. (Short form: the GOP is on the side of terrorist groups like Hamas who also don't approve.)
However, the GOP is also on the side of Lech Walesa and Desmond Tutu on criticizing the decision. I'm so confused...
Walesa, and especially Tutu, are well-known deep cover right wing moles. /
998 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:12:44am |
re: #992 webevintage
Okay I'm not a Repub. But do I have to cheer another obviously lame Nobel?
999 | McSpiff Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:12:49am |
re: #991 Dreader1962
Cute. Of course, the consensus of the intelligence community was that there was a threat. They were wrong.
But of course, you would rather think of Bush as an idiot. I can't dissuade you from that belief, so I won't try. We were a military force constantly flying over Iraq (and being shot at), so don't go painting Saddam as a guy that was about to reform due to sanctions and inspections.
I'd hardly argue that was a global consensus. It seems Canada, Germany and France all disagreed with that intelligence.
1000 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:12:59am |
1001 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:13:07am |
re: #984 Ray in TX
Bush could have been impeached. He could have been censured.
So ya, you were making things up.
Your complaint should be registered with the Democrats. They did not as a majority seek to do this, because of course he would not have been convicted.
1002 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:13:12am |
re: #984 Ray in TX
Bush could have been impeached. He could have been censured.
So ya, you were making things up.
don't be ridiculous...for what?...you are reaching far amigo
1003 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:13:16am |
re: #979 sattv4u2
"make up a story"
Linked for the Defense Dept. Wow ,,, I didn't know I had that kind of juice!
From the story I "made up"
The munitions addressed in the report were produced in the 1980s, Maples said. Badly corroded, they could not currently be used as originally intended, Chu added.
While that's reassuring, the agent remaining in the weapons would be very valuable to terrorists and insurgents, Maples said. "We're talking chemical agents here that could be packaged in a different format and have a great effect," he said, referencing the sarin-gas attack on a Japanese subway in the mid-1990s
That story is not about an active WMD program. It's about old munitions that were not destroyed properly because the Iraqi regime didn't track things effectively. It says as much in that article.
The fact that these weapons were degraded was evidenced the disclaimer that they were considered WMD even if only trace amounts of residue were found --- 'anything over zero percent is lethal'
1004 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:13:55am |
re: #999 McSpiff
Kinda like the Iran intel lately.
1005 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:13:56am |
re: #997 SixDegrees
Walesa, and especially Tutu, are well-known deep cover right wing moles. /
I still want to know, when did Tutu criticize this? Not here...
[Link: blackpoliticsontheweb.com...]
1006 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:14:20am |
re: #878 Ray in TX
See, I don't get this either. ALL political leaders have their ardent followers who basically worship the ground they walk on.
But Bush.. he had an entire demographic that literally thought he was selected by God to lead the country. In fact, I believe that the 2004 Republican Convention had a speaker talking about it.
So it seems hypocritical for any Bush supporters to suddenly act like it's crazy for some Democrats to think that Obama walks on water. It's just part of the political landscape, and one that Bush greatly benefitted from during his administration.
You know, I might have disagreed, until last night, when I saw a video clip of little kids praying over a cardboard cut-out of President Bush.
1007 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:14:22am |
re: #1001 Dreader1962
Your complaint should be registered with the Democrats. They did not as a majority seek to do this, because of course he would not have been convicted.
I wasn't complaining. I was making an observation.
1008 | brennant Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:14:22am |
re: #989 Guanxi88
Oh noes! People exited to see their president! Children in choirs, singing a song for the president... that's totally new! It's just like Leningrad, it's just like Germany pre-WWII! What has our country come to? Run around screaming!
1009 | Achilles Tang Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:14:37am |
Is the peace prize awarded by the Norwegians or the Swedes? I hate to ask.
Doesn't someone have to do something rather than talk about doing something to win awards?/
1010 | lazardo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:14:57am |
Gonna work on my thesis rationale, then head to bed. Cheers.
1011 | mewlondon Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:15:04am |
Nobel Peace Price: My Cousin Vinny Redux
I think this happened once before when Jack Palance "announced" Marisa Tomei as winning the Oscar that year.
1012 | arethusa Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:15:29am |
re: #1005 Walter L. Newton
I still want to know, when did Tutu criticize this? Not here...
[Link: blackpoliticsontheweb.com...]
That was my bad...I meant to say Walesa only, and add this link. Apologies. PIMF.
1013 | McSpiff Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:15:33am |
re: #1004 Rightwingconspirator
Kinda like the Iran intel lately.
O I hadn't seen that report, care to link? As far a I know the group of 5+1 was still negotiating as a unit, with the usual exceptions of China and Russia with the US setting the tone.
1014 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:15:58am |
re: #999 McSpiff
I'd hardly argue that was a global consensus. It seems Canada, Germany and France all disagreed with that intelligence.
I did not claim it was a 'global consensus'. We don't require that to use our military force. Also, do you have some evidence that these nations actively shared their intelligence products that contradicted the US intelligence products before the war?
1015 | Mad Al-Jaffee Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:16:19am |
1018 | SummerSong Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:16:48am |
re: #992 webevintage
Here's the deal Republicans.
You don't cheer when America loses out on the Olympics...it just makes you look bad.
And you don't boo when the POTUS gets a Nobel Peace Prize, it just reinforces that vague "not really the America First party" meme.
What you say is "what an honor for America" and then let it go.
What should I have done when Obama insulted the special olympics?
1019 | McSpiff Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:16:55am |
re: #1014 Dreader1962
I did not claim it was a 'global consensus'. We don't require that to use our military force. Also, do you have some evidence that these nations actively shared their intelligence products that contradicted the US intelligence products before the war?
My point was to say "Well no one knew the intelligence was wrong" hardly seems accurate.
1020 | Achilles Tang Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:17:03am |
1021 | Mike DeGuzman Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:17:16am |
If I were President Obama, I would respectfully declined the award and ask the committee to give it to someone more deserving! That would be the right thing to do. He will be giving his speech soon at the White House on his award. I wonder what he'll say?
1022 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:17:39am |
re: #992 webevintage
Here's the deal Republicans.
You don't cheer when America loses out on the Olympics...it just makes you look bad.
And you don't boo when the POTUS gets a Nobel Peace Prize, it just reinforces that vague "not really the America First party" meme.
What you say is "what an honor for America" and then let it go.
The Olympics, however, are "awarded" to nations - or at least that's the perception cultivated by the IOC. The Nobel Prizes, on the other hand, are awarded to individuals, not countries, as the Nobel Committee itself would loudly insist. The criticisms are not of the same kind by any stretch.
In fact, the bulk (not all) of the criticisms in this thread have been directed at the Nobel Committed and it's flawed decision making processes rather than at the recipient, in contrast to the criticisms leveled following the IOC award to Rio, which were distinctly ad hominem.
1023 | avanti Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:17:40am |
Good morning Lizards, just turned on the tube to see the news, wow !. To be honest, I didn't even know Obama was in the running for the Peace Prize. My opinion is he got it on more on hope, than deeds and that the world wants him to succeed. Maybe with a touch of star power as opposed to GW. Did he deserve it, I sure can't argue that, but it's a honor none the less.
How the right reacts will be telling, will they be gracious or snarky.
1024 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:17:44am |
re: #1008 brennant
Oh noes! People exited to see their president! Children in choirs, singing a song for the president... that's totally new! It's just like Leningrad, it's just like Germany pre-WWII! What has our country come to? Run around screaming!
singing praises for pending Congressional legislation that is highly divisive...seems a little odd
1025 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:17:49am |
1026 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:17:56am |
re: #1003 Ray in TX
That story is not about an active WMD program. It's about old munitions that were not destroyed properly because the Iraqi regime didn't track things effectively. It says as much in that article.
The fact that these weapons were degraded was evidenced the disclaimer that they were considered WMD even if only trace amounts of residue were found --- 'anything over zero percent is lethal'
The report is about what they found in Iraq AFTER Saddam had given up "ALL his WMD", not if Iraq had an active program. And as I stated above, if you or a loved onbe died due to exposure of degraded material, would you really care WHEN it was made?
"Johnny is dead, but thank the good Lord the mustard gas was made in 1980 and not 1991!"
1027 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:18:05am |
re: #880 EmmmieG
I think a lot of people are saying "For what?" incredulously today.
One of my coworkers, a decidedly left-liberal chap, hadn't heard the news until I told him. "That's great!" he responded, and then "What for?"
1028 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:18:22am |
re: #1021 Mike DeGuzman
If I were President Obama, I would respectfully declined the award and ask the committee to give it to someone more deserving! That would be the right thing to do. He will be giving his speech soon at the White House on his award. I wonder what he'll say?
Fist bump.
1029 | Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:18:56am |
Long thread!
Good morning all.
***
Down with both major political parties ! Pffiibbittth.™
1030 | StillAMarine Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:19:04am |
The response time on this system is now so slow it takes more than 15 seconds for the echo on my input from the keyboard to appear on the screen. So I should leave now. Apologies for lurking and leaving only two (counting this) comment.
1031 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:19:13am |
I think Obama's tone is good so far...puts it in perspective "I don't deserve it," etc.
1032 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:20:04am |
re: #1031 Danny
I think Obama's tone is good so far...puts it in perspective "I don't deserve it," etc.
I have to concur. He realizes why he got it.
1033 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:20:10am |
re: #1005 Walter L. Newton
I still want to know, when did Tutu criticize this? Not here...
[Link: blackpoliticsontheweb.com...]
Unknown. I was responding to the assertion, not any actual content.
And to be frank, I would invoke the 24-hour rule on any such comments.
1036 | Cathypop Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:20:41am |
re: #1021 Mike DeGuzman
If I were President Obama, I would respectfully declined the award and ask the committee to give it to someone more deserving! That would be the right thing to do. He will be giving his speech soon at the White House on his award. I wonder what he'll say?
I WON!
1037 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:20:43am |
re: #1032 vxbush
I have to concur. He realizes why he got it.
Although he claimed Malea (sp?) told him this morning, and other news reports said Axelrod told him. That sticks in my craw a bit.
1038 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:20:50am |
re: #1023 avanti
Good morning Lizards, just turned on the tube to see the news, wow !. To be honest, I didn't even know Obama was in the running for the Peace Prize. My opinion is he got it on more on hope, than deeds and that the world wants him to succeed. Maybe with a touch of star power as opposed to GW. Did he deserve it, I sure can't argue that, but it's a honor none the less.
How the right reacts will be telling, will they be gracious or snarky.
how can it be a personal honor when it's not earned?...wth?
1039 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:21:09am |
re: #1022 SixDegrees
The Olympics, however, are "awarded" to nations - or at least that's the perception cultivated by the IOC. The Nobel Prizes, on the other hand, are awarded to individuals, not countries, as the Nobel Committee itself would loudly insist. The criticisms are not of the same kind by any stretch.
In fact, the bulk (not all) of the criticisms in this thread have been directed at the Nobel Committed and it's flawed decision making processes rather than at the recipient, in contrast to the criticisms leveled following the IOC award to Rio, which were distinctly ad hominem.
exactly...it has nothing to do with Obama (see...I spelled it out nicely...), it has to do with the legitimacy of an organization that would give an award to someone who is arguably not deserving.
1040 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:21:10am |
re: #1033 SixDegrees
Unknown. I was responding to the assertion, not any actual content.
And to be frank, I would invoke the 24-hour rule on any such comments.
He didn't. Walesa said it was too early. Walesa and Tutu indicated that the prize was given for future potential.
1042 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:06am |
Good...mentioned the Iranian woman who was killed.
1043 | Judith Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:19am |
Giving him this award has totally discredited it, of course they already did that when they gave it to Arafat so what else is new?
1044 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:21am |
re: #1032 vxbush
I have to concur. He realizes why he got it.
he's being played like a fiddle...poor, stupid, community organizer
1045 | Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:23am |
Well maybe he can use the peace prize as moral ordnance & bully some groups into better behavior.
I can dream anyway, who knows?
1046 | sattv4u2 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:31am |
BBL
I have to go recieve the award I won
Don't know yet what the award is, or what I did, but I know there's one out there waiting for me!
"I'd like to thank all the little people that made this possible ,,,"
1047 | Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:38am |
President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize on Friday in a stunning decision designed to encourage his initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism.
Many observers were shocked by the unexpected choice so early in the Obama presidency, which began less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline and has yet to yield concrete achievements in peacemaking.
They're trying to influence US foreign policy?
1049 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:47am |
re: #1019 McSpiff
My point was to say "Well no one knew the intelligence was wrong" hardly seems accurate.
I didn't claim that. What irritates me is that so many of the people who post on the internet seem to claim godlike knowledge after the fact and then trash intelligence collection and decision making. They have no experience, clearance, or direct knowledge yet they are saying that Bush could have/should have been impeached. This is just pointless (especially now).
I get so tired of this - we had the far left fringe actually claiming that Bush would not leave office when it was his time to go, yet these people are still shamelessly commenting on all matters political, suffering no loss of credibility (because the internet is anonymous and impossible to trace a single author). The same thing of course is now happening on the far right with claims of what Obama 'really' plans on doing in the future.
What is completely missing is actual discussion of proposed policy, detailed analysis of where we should go with deployments to Iraq/Afghanistan, changes to political processes that we all know are fundamentally broken, and so on.
1050 | avanti Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:49am |
re: #1037 vxbush
Although he claimed Malea (sp?) told him this morning, and other news reports said Axelrod told him. That sticks in my craw a bit.
Don't twist his words, he did not say Malea was the first to tell him, just mentioned it with the dogs birthday and a long weekend. In other words, great weekend dad.
1051 | Honorary Yooper Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:22:56am |
re: #609 researchok
Gandhi did not win a Nobel Prize
Vaclav Havel did not win a Nobel Prize
Ronald Reagan did not win a Nobel Prize
John Paul ll did not win a Nobel Prize
Chinese dissidents did not win a Nobel Prize
Bono (decades of work in Africa) did not win a Nobel Prize
Margaret Thatcher did not win a Nobel Prize
Exactly. Obama has yet to do anything substantial, and when he was initially nominated, he was not even elected president yet. It's a mockery of what the prize was initially intended to be.
My g/f this morning was amazed they skipped over Bono for Obama.
1052 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:23:04am |
re: #1047 Sharmuta
President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
They're trying to influence US foreign policy?
Not like this is news. The world has been pressuring the US for decades.
1055 | jill e Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:23:29am |
re: #961 vxbush
It appears he was nominated 10 days after taking office.
1056 | Gearhead Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:23:57am |
And the race for the 2010 NPP begins. Any thoughts?
Chavez?
Ahmadinejad?
1057 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:24:02am |
re: #991 Dreader1962
Cute. Of course, the consensus of the intelligence community was that there was a threat. They were wrong.
But of course, you would rather think of Bush as an idiot. I can't dissuade you from that belief, so I won't try. We were a military force constantly flying over Iraq (and being shot at), so don't go painting Saddam as a guy that was about to reform due to sanctions and inspections.
Dude, I never said he was an idiot.
Listen, I remember when Bush was the governor of my state. He treated the office like he was a CEO. He insisted that everything be condensed to one or two pages for his review. He simply was not a deep thinker.
Here's what I think happened. Serious leaders, like Cheney and Rumsfeld, read the intelligence reports. They summarized the findings and passed them on to Bush. However, those two were notorious hawks on Iraq and undoubtedly slanted the representation of the intelligence findings to Bush.
Bush, in effect, delegated this responsibility to subordinates he trusted. This is how we blew the intelligence on Iraq and how the torture program got started up.
When it all went south, Bush realized that maybe his subordinates were not as on top of the situation as they claimed, so he reasserted himself on foreign policy and changed things... he put a stop to torture, for example.
Bush made a lot of mistakes, but I think a lot had to do with misplaced trust and excessive delegation. I don't think he was a villain, but he was not a strong leader. I mean, he was hand-picked to be the nominee in 2000 and actually allowed Dick Cheney to name himself as the VP candidate. This is not a guy who was in 100% control like you would expect from a leader.
1059 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:24:31am |
re: #1050 avanti
Don't twist his words, he did not say Malea was the first to tell him, just mentioned it with the dogs birthday and a long weekend. In other words, great weekend dad.
Ah, then my mistake. I thought he said that she told him. I'd have to go back and look at the transcript.
No intention on my part to twist his words...I'm sure Bo's birthday is a big deal.
1060 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:25:09am |
re: #1055 jill e
It appears he was nominated 10 days after taking office.
But that doesn't tell me when the committee decided to go with Obama. That's what I'm curious about.
1061 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:25:29am |
re: #1023 avanti
Good morning Lizards, just turned on the tube to see the news, wow !. To be honest, I didn't even know Obama was in the running for the Peace Prize. My opinion is he got it on more on hope, than deeds and that the world wants him to succeed. Maybe with a touch of star power as opposed to GW. Did he deserve it, I sure can't argue that, but it's a honor none the less.
How the right reacts will be telling, will they be gracious or snarky.
First the nomination; then the election as POTUS; now the Nobel Prize...there's no telling how far he can go with a little HOPE and a prayer.
1062 | Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:25:40am |
If Obama fixes the economy they can give him the Nobel prize for economics.
1064 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:25:50am |
re: #1022 SixDegrees
...In fact, the bulk (not all) of the criticisms in this thread have been directed at the NobelCommittedCommittee...
That really wasn't intentional, despite appearances. Stupid fingers.
1065 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:26:17am |
1066 | Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:26:27am |
re: #1052 thedopefishlives
Not like this is news. The world has been pressuring the US for decades.
True, as we try to influence theirs, I suppose. But using the Peace Prize to do so seems kind of overt, don't you think?
1067 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:27:11am |
re: #972 brennant
Can't we just drop the lame supreme/deity/dear leader crap? It is terribly old.
LOL, no. I remember serveral years ago when I muttered a similar sentiment. Quote "get used to it"
1068 | Sharmuta Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:27:17am |
re: #1062 Ojoe
If Obama fixes the economy they can give him the Nobel prize for economics.
Did you see #15? I had an idea for your party.
1069 | McSpiff Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:27:45am |
re: #1055 jill e
It appears he was nominated 10 days after taking office.
That is totally insane. Regardless of who the 'he' is. I really can't blame Obama for this either. As far as I know he was totally removed from the process?
1070 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:27:46am |
re: #1053 brennant
What will he do with the cash prize?
Donate it, no doubt. That's fairly standard in similar cases.
1071 | brennant Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:28:12am |
re: #1067 filetandrelease
I will never get used to it. I would like to think we are better than this, thanks.
1072 | Danny Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:28:14am |
re: #1047 Sharmuta
President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
They're trying to influence US foreign policy?
First and foremost.
1073 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:28:18am |
re: #1047 Sharmuta
President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
They're trying to influence US foreign policy?
Ya think?
1074 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:28:28am |
re: #1070 SixDegrees
Donate it, no doubt. That's fairly standard in similar cases.
Hand it out in Detroit?
1075 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:28:51am |
re: #1069 McSpiff
That is totally insane. Regardless of who the 'he' is. I really can't blame Obama for this either. As far as I know he was totally removed from the process?
I've read the entire thread and nobody has yet to blame BO for anything to do with it...
1076 | brennant Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:28:52am |
re: #1073 filetandrelease
Promoting an agenda of peace? Never! :P
1077 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:29:08am |
re: #1066 Sharmuta
True, as we try to influence theirs, I suppose. But using the Peace Prize to do so seems kind of overt, don't you think?
I admit it seems a bit blatant, but then, they may be getting desperate seeing that he has been on a downhill slide at home for a while. Perhaps the world community is hoping that if they give him a domestic boost, he'll either regain his confidence to exert his foreign agenda, or at least sustain himself long enough to get reelected.
1078 | jill e Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:30:09am |
When University of Chicago professor Robert Lucas won the Nobel in economics in 1995, he had to give half of his $1 million prize money to his ex-wife because of a clause in their divorce settlement.
1079 | John Neverbend Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:30:15am |
re: #1060 vxbush
But that doesn't tell me when the committee decided to go with Obama. That's what I'm curious about.
From the nobelprize.org website:
September – Invitation letters are sent out. The Nobel Committee sends out invitation letters to individuals qualified to nominate – members of national assemblies, governments, and international courts of law; university chancellors, professors of social science, history, philosophy, law and theology; leaders of peace research institutes and institutes of foreign affairs; previous Nobel Peace Prize Laureates; board members of organizations that have received the Nobel Peace Prize; present and past members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee; and former advisers of the Norwegian Nobel Institute.
February – Deadline for submission. The Committee bases its assessment on nominations that must be postmarked no later than 1 February each year. Nominations postmarked and received after this date are included in the following year's discussions. In recent years, the Committee has received close to 200 different nominations for the Nobel Peace Prize. The number of nominating letters is much higher, as many are for the same candidates.
February-March – Short list. The Committee assesses the candidates' work and prepares a short list.
March-August – Adviser review. The short list is reviewed by permanent advisers and advisers specially recruited for their knowledge of specific candidates. The advisers do not directly evaluate nominations nor give explicit recommendations.
October – Nobel Laureates are chosen. At the beginning of October, the Nobel Committee chooses the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates through a majority vote. The decision is final and without appeal. The names of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates are then announced.
December – Nobel Laureates receive their prize. The Nobel Peace Prize Award Ceremony takes place on 10 December in Oslo, Norway, where the Nobel Laureates receive their Nobel Prize, which consists of a Nobel Medal and Diploma, and a document confirming the prize amount.
1081 | Walter L. Newton Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:30:46am |
OT
The NFL just announced that the Washington Redskins have won the 2010 Super Bowl.
1082 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:30:58am |
re: #1077 thedopefishlives
I admit it seems a bit blatant, but then, they may be getting desperate seeing that he has been on a downhill slide at home for a while. Perhaps the world community is hoping that if they give him a domestic boost, he'll either regain his confidence to exert his foreign agenda, or at least sustain himself long enough to get reelected.
This is why I'm so curious when the award decision was made. If it was made this week, after the big disappointment in Chicago, that's one thing. If it was made a few weeks ago when all the news was bad with high unemployment and no progress on his health-care bill(s), that's slightly different. The result is the same, but the motivation isn't.
1083 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:30:59am |
re: #1078 jill e
When University of Chicago professor Robert Lucas won the Nobel in economics in 1995, he had to give half of his $1 million prize money to his ex-wife because of a clause in their divorce settlement.
If I ever get a divorce, I want the name of her lawyer!
1084 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:31:28am |
re: #1057 Ray in TX
Dude, I never said he was an idiot.
Listen, I remember when Bush was the governor of my state. He treated the office like he was a CEO. He insisted that everything be condensed to one or two pages for his review. He simply was not a deep thinker.
Here's what I think happened. Serious leaders, like Cheney and Rumsfeld, read the intelligence reports. They summarized the findings and passed them on to Bush. However, those two were notorious hawks on Iraq and undoubtedly slanted the representation of the intelligence findings to Bush.
Bush, in effect, delegated this responsibility to subordinates he trusted. This is how we blew the intelligence on Iraq and how the torture program got started up.
When it all went south, Bush realized that maybe his subordinates were not as on top of the situation as they claimed, so he reasserted himself on foreign policy and changed things... he put a stop to torture, for example.
Bush made a lot of mistakes, but I think a lot had to do with misplaced trust and excessive delegation. I don't think he was a villain, but he was not a strong leader. I mean, he was hand-picked to be the nominee in 2000 and actually allowed Dick Cheney to name himself as the VP candidate. This is not a guy who was in 100% control like you would expect from a leader.
Nope, try again - Bush read the same intelligence summaries that all presidents get. I know better than what you are portraying - that Cheney filtered intelligence products. The President's Daily Brief (PDB) was generated by the director of the CIA, and now is generated by the NDI (as of 2005).
I have 'some' knowledge of what I speak about.
1085 | irish rose Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:32:00am |
I'm off to the laundromat.
Have a good day, lizards.
1086 | SecondComing Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:32:21am |
I keep refreshing waiting on the "Right Wing goes crazy over Obama winning the Nobel Prize" blog post.
1087 | SixDegrees Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:32:36am |
re: #1074 Walter L. Newton
Hand it out in Detroit?
The President has never visited our fair city, and I doubt very much that it will appear on his agenda anytime soon. The stench of Monica Conyers, Kwame Kilpatrick and a host of other prominent Democrats now serving out sentences for various forms of corruption will linger for years, and the potential for getting that smell on his suit and never getting it out again is too high.
1088 | vxbush Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:32:45am |
re: #1079 John Neverbend
From the nobelprize.org website:
October – Nobel Laureates are chosen. At the beginning of October, the Nobel Committee chooses the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates through a majority vote. The decision is final and without appeal. The names of the Nobel Peace Prize Laureates are then announced.
Thanks, John. So they could have made the decision as late as yesterday, and thus the Chicago Olympic situation might have played into this. But they did say they awarded this for what he would do, as encouragement. So they are thinking in terms of world politics and how Obama can play out on that stage.
1089 | Ojoe Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:32:47am |
re: #1068 Sharmuta
Well that would get a lot of people. It could hyphenate to another similar term for Dems.
Rino-dino (?)
1090 | filetandrelease Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:32:49am |
re: #1076 brennant
Promoting an agenda of peace? Never! :P
Likely, if they get what they want, it will the opposite effect intended. Read VDH on it. IMO, he nailed it.
1091 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:33:20am |
I was shocked. I just won the Noble Prize as well. Thank you. Thank you.
I will put it next to my 'Person of the Year Award' I received a while back.
/
1092 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:33:28am |
re: #1084 Dreader1962
Nope, try again - Bush read the same intelligence summaries that all presidents get. I know better than what you are portraying - that Cheney filtered intelligence products. The President's Daily Brief (PDB) was generated by the director of the CIA, and now is generated by the NDI (as of 2005).
I have 'some' knowledge of what I speak about.
Did he review these briefs before or after Rumsfeld added his quotes from the Bible?
1093 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:33:39am |
re: #1075 albusteve
I've read the entire thread and nobody has yet to blame BO for anything to do with it...
The irony is that Obama (see...spelled it out again) will suffer from just the opposite of what GWB did. With Bush, the expectations were low. With Obama, the expectations are high...makes him a bigger target. He had nothing to do with getting this award...in a strange twist, the Nobel voters may have only raised expectations higher for him.
1094 | victor_yugo Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:34:39am |
re: #1051 Honorary Yooper
Updinged, and favorited.
1095 | charpete67 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:34:44am |
re: #1081 Walter L. Newton
OT
The NFL just announced that the Washington Redskins have won the 2010 Super Bowl.
...thanks for wrecking the ending for me.
1096 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:35:15am |
re: #1093 charpete67
The irony is that Obama (see...spelled it out again) will suffer from just the opposite of what GWB did. With Bush, the expectations were low. With Obama, the expectations are high...makes him a bigger target. He had nothing to do with getting this award...in a strange twist, the Nobel voters may have only raised expectations higher for him.
I said that very thing way up thread...I agree and also think this will hurt him in the end
1097 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:35:38am |
re: #1093 charpete67
The irony is that Obama (see...spelled it out again) will suffer from just the opposite of what GWB did. With Bush, the expectations were low. With Obama, the expectations are high...makes him a bigger target. He had nothing to do with getting this award...in a strange twist, the Nobel voters may have only raised expectations higher for him.
haha, for some reason I'm reminded of that old commercial with the models... "don't hate me because I'm beautiful!"
A variation on that might have to become Obama's mantra.
1098 | Oh no...Sand People! Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:36:51am |
re: #1086 SecondComing
I keep refreshing waiting on the "Right Wing goes crazy over Obama winning the Nobel Prize" blog post.
This is a joke...rewarding incompetence and a tel-uh-prompter with a Nobel Prize?
It's worth at least a few minutes of ridicule..then time to move on.
1099 | Dreader1962 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:36:54am |
re: #1092 Ray in TX
Did he review these briefs before or after Rumsfeld added his quotes from the Bible?
No, Rumsfeld was the SecDef, not the director of the CIA. The PDB is a CIA product. Rumsfeld generated the military intelligence side, so his portions were integrated into the briefing book.
I don't think it was proper for Rumsfeld to do this, but I don't think it was intended to mesmerize the president.
1100 | JSHos Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:37:06am |
re: #992 webevintage
Or, I can see the Nobel Peace Prize for what it has apparently become -- a political statement and little else.
1101 | FigJam Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:37:13am |
Even the Times of London, hardly a bastion of rabid conservatism, opines that Obama's Peace Prize is absurd
Some excerpts:
the prize risks looking preposterous in its claims, patronising in its intentions and demeaning in its attempt to build up a man who has barely begun his period in office, let alone achieved any tangible outcome for peace.
The committee said today that he had “captured the world’s attention”. It is certainly true that his energy and aspirations have dazzled many of his supporters. Sadly, it seems they have so bedazzled the Norwegians that they can no longer separate hopes from achievement. The achievements of all previous winners have been diminished.
1102 | webevintage Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:37:23am |
re: #1018 SummerSong
What should I have done when Obama insulted the special olympics?
I'm not really sure what that has to do with this, but my point was it just looks bad.
It looks bad to voters.
Not how it appears to posters on the internet, but how it looks to the people Republicans want to woo away from the Democrats so they can win seats in 2010.
Tim Pawlenty had the proper response..."congratulations".
1103 | jvic Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:37:46am |
re: #1066 Sharmuta
True, as we try to influence theirs, I suppose. But using the Peace Prize to do so seems kind of overt, don't you think?
Indeed.
But I can imagine scenarios in which talk of revoking the Prize is floated: highly unlikely scenarios, but not completely out of the question.
1104 | Honorary Yooper Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:38:22am |
re: #1047 Sharmuta
President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
They're trying to influence US foreign policy?
If so, that's an extremely disingenuous use of the Nobel Peace Prize. It's a very dangerous path for the Nobel Prize committee to go down as it could potentially discredit and taint their decisions for years, maybe decades to come.
1105 | Guanxi88 Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:39:03am |
re: #1008 brennant
Oh noes! People exited to see their president! Children in choirs, singing a song for the president... that's totally new! It's just like Leningrad, it's just like Germany pre-WWII! What has our country come to? Run around screaming!
lol cat-isms aside, you cannot simultaneously deny the very frenzied enthusiasm of the people that you invoke to demonstrate his popularity. No, it's not like Leningrad or the Third Reich - in those cases, the displays of adulation were state-sponsored and directed; the current Obamolatry appears to be spontaneous - these people show every sign of willingness and even enthusiasm to worship an elected head of state. State-sponsored rallies and hero-worship would be different, as the participants and organizers could always invoke the excuse of totalitarian pressure on them; in this case, they've willingly adopted these slavish attitudes and postures of adoration.
Unless, of course, you truly believe him to be the Omega and Alpha, the shining light of hope and change, the leader of "the ones we've been waiting for" and all the rest of it. It doesn't look like misplaced religious enthusiasm if you buy the hype.
1106 | albusteve Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:40:31am |
re: #1104 Honorary Yooper
If so, that's an extremely disingenuous use of the Nobel Peace Prize. It's a very dangerous path for the Nobel Prize committee to go down as it could potentially discredit and taint their decisions for years, maybe decades to come.
as for me it already has...the horse it outa the barn
1107 | avanti Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:40:56am |
re: #1060 vxbush
But that doesn't tell me when the committee decided to go with Obama. That's what I'm curious about.
I think he was nominated for his vision of changing US foreign policy, and won because the committee supported that vision. i.e. the shift from confrontation to diplomacy, more emphasis on the middle east early in his administration and the rest. Yep, it was based on hope and change and can't hurt his standing in the world.
1108 | Spare O'Lake Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:45:58am |
re: #1096 albusteve
I said that very thing way up thread...I agree and also think this will hurt him in the end
The million will ease his pain.
But what will ease the pain of his increasingly subdued teeth-gnashing minions?
1109 | Mike DeGuzman Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:54:04am |
I'm just wondering, who in the world submitted President Obama's name for the Nobel Peace Prize?
1110 | Ray in TX Fri, Oct 9, 2009 8:55:40am |
re: #1109 Mike DeGuzman
I'm just wondering, who in the world submitted President Obama's name for the Nobel Peace Prize?
Oprah?
1112 | Achilles Tang Fri, Oct 9, 2009 9:08:08am |
re: #1107 avanti
I think he was nominated for his vision of changing US foreign policy, and won because the committee supported that vision. i.e. the shift from confrontation to diplomacy, more emphasis on the middle east early in his administration and the rest. Yep, it was based on hope and change and can't hurt his standing in the world.
That much is pretty obvious, but assuming they did their research on finding someone to give the award to, it doesn't say much about the rest of the world's efforts to promote peace, does it?
1114 | gregb Fri, Oct 9, 2009 9:25:57am |
re: #808 vxbush
I don't know anyone personally who has won, but for a while it was interesting reading the AMS bulletin each year and listening to folks take on the award-winning mathematician.
/thoughts of "A Beautiful Mind"
In a stunning parallel, my advisor ended up going bonkers.
1115 | Daniel Ballard Fri, Oct 9, 2009 9:40:33am |
re: #1013 McSpiff
I meant how we have wildly differing conclusions bas4d on the "intel". A couple links...
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
[Link: www.presstv.com...]