Here’s an amazing speech at the United Nations by the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, Colonel Richard Kemp, about the UN’s latest attempt to demonize Israel, the Goldstone Report.
UN Watch has more information, and a complete transcript of Col. Kemp’s speech.
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Spider Mensch Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:43:13am |
“And I say this again: the IDF did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare.”
this is spot on..the IDF.. courage, valor, integrity and honor. they truly are a great group of women and men!
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:49:00am |
It is the automatic, Pavlovian presumption by many in the international media, and international human rights groups, that the IDF are in the wrong, that they are abusing human rights.
Arf.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:49:04am |
Good for him, but unfortunately this plays like a fart in a funeral to the UN crowd.
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:49:32am |
While I think this was an amazing and indeed — stunning — speech, I highly doubt the UN or anyone on the UNHRC was stunned by it.
They did end up completely ignoring it anyway.
Kudos to Colonel Richard Kemp, and may he continue spreading the truth and sharing his perspective for as long as it is needed.
Thanks!
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lawhawk Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:49:52am |
An amazing speech … that will fall on deaf ears. The US will likely prevent the Security Council from acting, but expect the usual suspects to be up in arms over the report and its disgusting claims that are based on a lack of evidence and which have been debunked by multiple bloggers, particularly by comparing the claims of civilian casualties with the names attributed by Hamas to their own minions.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:49:57am |
I nominate Col. Kemp for the Fallaci!
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reine.de.tout Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:50:11am |
re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Good for him, but unfortunately this plays like a fart in a funeral to the UN crowd.
Some things need to be said, and said on the record, regardless of how it plays to the “crowd” in attendance.
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Vicious Babushka Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:50:44am |
Glenn Beck for the Fiskie! Oh, and Stacy McCain too.
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Teh Flowah Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:51:23am |
I AM SHOCKED. SHOCKED. I thought the IDF was nothing but a bunch of murderers in uniform.
But using human shields puts civilians at risk? NO. WAY.
This guy is clearly a liar and a zionist sympathizer with dual loyalties. Btw, I hate zionism not jews. hurhur disclaimer.
There. I’ve just done every possible response from the apologetic left.
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:52:03am |
When I see the 180 degree twists in the reports of the international media I cannot but think I see the hand of Old Scratch there.
Hats off to you, Colonel Richard Kemp, for telling the truth.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:52:16am |
I bet the cleaning crew at the UN wishes he’d passed out Depends before he gave that report.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:53:02am |
Meanwhile,
UN forces in Lebanon uncovered underground spying devices as they investigated two explosions in the country’s south, and believe the blasts were caused when the devices were detonated by remote control from Israel.
The UN said it appeared Israel planted the devices after the 2006 war with the Shiite militant group, Hezbollah, in violation of a ceasefire agreement.
UNIFIL is failing utterly, so the UN has to blame the Israelis for trying to protect themselves.
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Ojoe Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:53:54am |
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Honorary Yooper Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:53:57am |
re: #15 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Meanwhile,
UNIFIL is failing utterly, so the UN has to blame the Israelis for trying to protect themselves.
Of course. First rule of covering up a major fuck up, find someone else to blame.
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KenJen Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:55:38am |
re: #14 DaddyG
I bet the cleaning crew at the UN wishes he’d passed out Depends before he gave that report.
They should wear them on their head. They all have shit for brains.
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cliffster Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:58:00am |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Oct 20, 2009 11:58:41am |
Perhaps this will carry more weight not being from the IDF?
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:00:02pm |
How far has Hamas got in trying to force Israel to repair the Gazan sewers that they cannibalized to make rockets?
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:01:12pm |
Hey Charles,
I’m curious if you’ve heard of/seen the Mitt Romney speech to the San Diego AIPAC?
What do you think?
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Political Atheist Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:02:30pm |
Instant Favorite. This is going to be forwarded to some skeptics of Israel I argue with regularly!
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:02:40pm |
re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps this will carry more weight not being from the IDF?
It’s already fallen on deaf ears. The council he spoke to voted 24-6 (11 abstentions) against Israel in support of the Goldstone Report
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:03:20pm |
re: #26 Joo-LiZ
It’s already fallen on deaf ears. The council he spoke to voted 24-6 (11 abstentions)
against Israelin support of the Goldstone Report
Who voted for it?
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filetandrelease Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:03:38pm |
That is going to leave a mark. Or at least it should.
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Political Atheist Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:04:50pm |
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cliffster Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:05:26pm |
All we are saaayiiing
is give peace a chaaance!!
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goatguy Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:05:32pm |
International Comedy.
100%, unadulterated, unblemished, immoral, evil.
The UN has only one agenda regarding Israel: to demonize it. All, but a few, of its members either actively cook up rotten scapegoat investigations, or duly vote in approval of their stinking rotten corpses AKA “resolutions”, or duly FAIL to vote against the written-by-rubber-stamp demands and flagillations.
They’ve had that agenda as long as the other UN countries - holding the oil - have had far more numerous populations and therefore money, and therefore power, and therefore political might within the UN’s not-so-august halls.
Gah.
GoatGuy
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Political Atheist Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:05:39pm |
If the UN council had a karma system like this blog how many down dings would this guy get? OMG!
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:06:30pm |
Well he certainly gave them both barrels, I wonder if anyone was listening though. The Goldstone report is a partizan propaganda peice pure and simple, it condemns the Israelis while whitewashing Hamas. Too bad it ever made it out of committee, now we have to hear it debated until the (hopefully) inevitable veto in the security council. This is nothing but political theater on the world stage…
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:06:44pm |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:09:23pm |
Rights Watchdog, Lost in the Mideast
AS the founder of Human Rights Watch, its active chairman for 20 years and now founding chairman emeritus, I must do something that I never anticipated: I must publicly join the group’s critics. Human Rights Watch had as its original mission to pry open closed societies, advocate basic freedoms and support dissenters. But recently it has been issuing reports on the Israeli-Arab conflict that are helping those who wish to turn Israel into a pariah state.
At Human Rights Watch, we always recognized that open, democratic societies have faults and commit abuses. But we saw that they have the ability to correct them — through vigorous public debate, an adversarial press and many other mechanisms that encourage reform.
That is why we sought to draw a sharp line between the democratic and nondemocratic worlds, in an effort to create clarity in human rights. We wanted to prevent the Soviet Union and its followers from playing a moral equivalence game with the West and to encourage liberalization by drawing attention to dissidents like Andrei Sakharov, Natan Sharansky and those in the Soviet gulag — and the millions in China’s laogai, or labor camps.
When I stepped aside in 1998, Human Rights Watch was active in 70 countries, most of them closed societies. Now the organization, with increasing frequency, casts aside its important distinction between open and closed societies.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:09:38pm |
re: #35 Joo-LiZ
The only JBS.org I can find is from the John Birch Society.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:11:56pm |
In a related story Professors from the Columbia riding stables are promoting subsidies for buggy whip manufacturers. /
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:12:13pm |
re: #37 MandyManners
The only JBS.org I can find is from the John Birch Society.
Yeah, lol, I scrolled to the bottom to see what the acronym stood for, and thats what it is.
I somehow had a feeling it was gonna be from a trouble site.
I don’t know too much about them but the name rings a bell, I’m not sure where Charles stands on them, but they seem to support Glenn Beck, so I apologize for linking to them, but as I said, they were one of the first links off google actually listing the countries that voted.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:13:06pm |
re: #39 Joo-LiZ
Yeah, lol, I scrolled to the bottom to see what the acronym stood for, and thats what it is.
I somehow had a feeling it was gonna be from a trouble site.
I don’t know too much about them but the name rings a bell, I’m not sure where Charles stands on them, but they seem to support Glenn Beck, so I apologize for linking to them, but as I said, they were one of the first links off google actually listing the countries that voted.
Ummm…JBS are out-right loons.
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Ben Hur Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:14:28pm |
re: #39 Joo-LiZ
Yeah, lol, I scrolled to the bottom to see what the acronym stood for, and thats what it is.
I somehow had a feeling it was gonna be from a trouble site.
I don’t know too much about them but the name rings a bell, I’m not sure where Charles stands on them, but they seem to support Glenn Beck, so I apologize for linking to them, but as I said, they were one of the first links off google actually listing the countries that voted.
They have nothing to do with trees.
Actually…
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Jack Burton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:14:32pm |
re: #27 MandyManners
Who voted for it?
McManus, Fenster, Dean Keaton, Todd Hockney, and Verbal Kint…
In other words, The Usual Suspects, mostly who you think would:
Argentina, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, China, Cuba, Djibouti, Egypt, Ghana, India, Indonesia, Jordan, Mauritius, Nicaragua, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Qatar, Russian Federation, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, South Africa, and Zambia.
Against were: Hungary, Italy, Netherlands, Slovakia, Ukraine, and United States of America.
Abstentions: Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Gabon, Japan, Mexico, Norway, Republic of Korea, Slovenia, and Uruguay.
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SixDegrees Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:16:14pm |
re: #35 Joo-LiZ
I had also been under the impression that Canada voted against, I don’t know what happened with that, but I haven’t been able to find anywhere to confirm it.
The John Birch Society is your source? Fuck those assholes - it’s disgusting to see that name again after all these years beating them back into the darkness from which they sprang. They are ravenously evil.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:16:21pm |
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Land Shark Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:17:06pm |
Wow, somebody actually speaking truth to power in the U.N.? Amazing!
God bless the IDF.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:18:26pm |
re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps this will carry more weight not being from the IDF?
Nah. Anyone who stands up for them becomes an honorary Zionazi.
Sad but true.
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SeaMonkey Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:18:36pm |
re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There’s a reason rights groups don’t target dictatorships but focus on rights abuses in democracies: Democracies care about human rights, so they listen.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:19:41pm |
re: #47 SeaMonkey
There’s a reason rights groups don’t target dictatorships but focus on rights abuses in democracies: Democracies care about human rights, so they listen.
And hold lectures and lunches and college tours and book deals.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:20:57pm |
re: #47 SeaMonkey
There’s a reason rights groups don’t target dictatorships but focus on rights abuses in democracies: Democracies care about human rights, so they listen.
Also, you’re less likely to end up missing in a democratic nation if you criticize the government.
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cartoonboy Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:21:40pm |
Colonel Richard Kemp deserves a Nobel-Noble prize (if such a thing still has meaning) for having balls to speak important truths to the corrupt powers that be at the UN.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:22:39pm |
re: #47 SeaMonkey
There’s a reason rights groups don’t target dictatorships but focus on rights abuses in democracies: Democracies care about human rights, so they listen.
Paradoxically, this explains why nobody calls out the Palis et al for their abuses, and why it’s Israel that has to keep making concessions to criminals. Conventional diplomatic measures sorta assume aprity of the parties, and it just ain’t so.
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Ben Hur Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:22:45pm |
re: #47 SeaMonkey
There’s a reason rights groups don’t target dictatorships but focus on rights abuses in democracies: Democracies care about human rights, so they listen.
You are obviously NOT Jimmy Carter.
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.”
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:23:01pm |
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:23:07pm |
re: #40 MandyManners
re: #41 Ben Hur
Yeah, that’s what I thought… for a moment I was HOPING that it was James Randi’s group (I had to google around to remember what their name was), but after seeing the Glenn Beck endorsement on the JBS main page, I figured they were on that side of things… I really didn’t do any digging before linking them, as I said.
Apologies again.
I claim ignorance… Pretty much since the election, I’ve stepped back from American politics and only paid attention to it from the perspective of what is happening in the Middle East.
(I just spent the last little while trying to find a legitimate site from which to take the breakdown, and I honestly can’t find one from Google).
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LatinGent Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:24:07pm |
My Jewish brothers and sisters have many detractors, but to me anyway, it seems the people that come to their defense are men and women of great charachter and accomplishment. Those that defame and complain blind themselves to the great leadership of the IDF, a group of warriors that fights with an arm tied behind their back and the best interest of civilians in their hearts. What other military unit fights like this? Calling cell phones to announce their intentions…and then doing exactly they said they were going to do whlie trying to avoid collateral damage.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:24:29pm |
re: #55 Joo-LiZ
Is Hamas still trying to force Israel to repair the sewers it cannibalized to make rockets?
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Ben Hur Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:25:25pm |
re: #53 Mad Al-Jaffee
Are you related at all to the Goat Man?
[Link: www.essortment.com…]
Or Goat Boy?
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Joo-LiZ Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:26:42pm |
re: #58 MandyManners
Not that I’ve heard of, in particular. Hamas and Fatah are being pressured big time by Egypt to unify and they were on the verge of signing a deal that I’m not sure what happened to.
The Goldstone Report almost caused Abbas to be deposed over some internal politics (he originally wanted to defer the vote), and there was a tense time around Yom Kippur where a third Intifada almost looked about to erupt. Now Fatah head-honchos are calling for a return to violence.
There was also a recent exchange of 20 female Palestinian prisoners for a 2 minute video of Gilad Shalit.
That’s pretty much the latest.
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Stuart Leviton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:27:41pm |
Thank you Col Kemp. Thank you Charles.
God help us all!
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Jack Burton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:27:57pm |
re: #56 Joo-LiZ
Where did you get that from?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
There’s a source from that to a UN document too but it was tl;dr, wiki cut to the chase.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:28:28pm |
Via Meryl Yourish, HRW’s founder takes on their anti-Israel bias.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:30:45pm |
re: #60 Joo-LiZ
Not that I’ve heard of, in particular. Hamas and Fatah are being pressured big time by Egypt to unify and they were on the verge of signing a deal that I’m not sure what happened to.
The Goldstone Report almost caused Abbas to be deposed over some internal politics (he originally wanted to defer the vote), and there was a tense time around Yom Kippur where a third Intifada almost looked about to erupt. Now Fatah head-honchos are calling for a return to violence.
There was also a recent exchange of 20 female Palestinian prisoners for a 2 minute video of Gilad Shalit.
That’s pretty much the latest.
I could be wrong but I doubt Fatah and Hamas will ever unite.
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samsgran1948 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:31:58pm |
re: #36 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I read that earlier this morning, and could only shake my head. Whether he is or not, the guy’s last name sounds Jewish, so his essay will be dismissed as the rantings of International Jewry and the Zionist Conspiracy. And as for HRW’s laser beam focus on Israel since Bernstein’s departure, it will be explained away that Bernstein had been protecting Israel from well-earned criticism and that it was only since his departure that HRW was able to focus on humanity’s greatest enemy.
I wish I could put up a sarcasm tag, but I can’t.
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Raryn Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:33:03pm |
Was wondering what you lizards would think of this study about who people blame for the economic crisis in the US.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:33:18pm |
Vatican welcomes Anglicans into Catholic church
The Vatican said Tuesday it has worked out a way for groups of Anglicans who are dissatisfied with their faith to join the Catholic Church.
The process will allow groups of Anglicans, including bishops and married priests, to join the Catholic Church some 450 years after King Henry VIII broke from Rome and created the Church of England, forerunner of the Anglican Communion.
The number of Anglicans wishing to join the Catholic Church has increased in recent years as the Anglican church has welcomed the ordination of women and openly gay clergy and blessed homosexual partnerships, said Cardinal William Joseph Levada, the head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:33:40pm |
re: #64 MandyManners
I could be wrong but I doubt Fatah and Hamas will ever unite.
I think they’d slit each others’ throats to be the ones in on a kill.
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SeaMonkey Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:34:21pm |
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Guanxi88 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:36:11pm |
re: #66 Raryn
Was wondering what you lizards would think of this study about who people blame for the economic crisis in the US.
Probably nothing to it. Goodness knows that the GOP is the sole source, bastion, and sink of all racial, ethnic, and religious bigotry in the USA.
//
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SixDegrees Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:37:25pm |
OT: Stimulus report: we have no idea what’s going on.
How reassuring. It’ll be great when the government runs health care.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:37:33pm |
re: #66 Raryn
Was wondering what you lizards would think of this study about who people blame for the economic crisis in the US.
Bush, Reed, and Pelosi are Jewish? /
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:37:38pm |
re: #66 Raryn
Was wondering what you lizards would think of this study about who people blame for the economic crisis in the US.
It can’t be accurate. Liberal blame Jews for the economic crisis more than conservatives. Does not compute. liberal are not racist.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:38:15pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
Thanks SFZ, good stuff. +1
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SeaMonkey Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:38:28pm |
re: #66 Raryn
Was wondering what you lizards would think of this study about who people blame for the economic crisis in the US.
I’m giving credit to the Basques for the recovery.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:39:28pm |
re: #66 Raryn
Was wondering what you lizards would think of this study about who people blame for the economic crisis in the US.
There are some interesting comments at that article.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:39:42pm |
re: #75 SeaMonkey
I’m giving credit to the Basques for the recovery.
That’s patronizing. Besides, everyone knows it was the Vanuatuans
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Jack Burton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:40:04pm |
re: #66 Raryn
Was wondering what you lizards would think of this study about who people blame for the economic crisis in the US.
What do you mean “you lizards”?
/
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:40:33pm |
re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Perhaps this will carry more weight not being from the IDF?
In a just world, sure.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:41:09pm |
“We are ‘worried’ about weak dollar: Eurogroup chief” (AFP)
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]
Oops, looks like another Fox manufactured phony crisis. AFP does mean Agence Fox Press, right?
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:42:40pm |
“In order to assess explicit prejudice toward Jews, we directly asked respondents “How much to blame were the Jews for the financial crisis?”
That question seems to be designed to ilicit a response. A valid comparison of data would also substitute other religions and atheists for Jews then compare the data of all of the sets of questions.
In other words if you asked “In order to assess explicit prejudice toward ___, we directly asked respondents “How much to blame were the ___ for the financial crisis?” You would be likely to get people who blamed ___ simply because they were asked.
The number of people who blamed “the Jews” still seems high to me even with a leading question.
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Raryn Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:42:52pm |
re: #78 ArchangelMichael
What do you mean “you lizards”?
/
Forgive me, is that not a proper form of address for LGF readers/commentators?
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Baier Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:43:09pm |
re: #80 Walter L. Newton
“We are ‘worried’ about weak dollar: Eurogroup chief” (AFP)
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]
Oops, looks like another Fox manufactured phony crisis. AFP does mean Agence Fox Press, right?
The US has been holding the value of the dollar down for some time now.
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lawhawk Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:43:34pm |
re: #71 SixDegrees
The truly troubling bit is the alchemy involved in claiming jobs created or saved.
OMB Watch said its review yielded “really weird job numbers,” including many discrepancies within the reports themselves. For instance, Jennings said OMB Watch found that many companies said in a narrative portion of their reports that it was able to retain several employees because of stimulus funds, but the “jobs created” column read “zero.”The Recovery Board aggregates its jobs data from the “jobs created” column to display the total number of jobs saved or created. Jennings speculated that recipients might have been confused about the scope of the term “created.”
“I would not stake any sort of claims on those job numbers,” said Jennings. “We don’t know what’s going on there.”
Even the job figures that are input correctly do not always reflect the true number of positions created by stimulus funds.
Prior to this Administration, no one ever considered a nonsensical statistic such as jobs saved, and yet Obama not only wants to use it to puff up his role in propping up the economy (which is a dubious assertion), but wants to lump the figure in with the jobs created - a more concrete term that requires the actual creation of a job.
In other words, if you still have your job after the recession, the Administration will consider it a saved job, even if the stimulus had nothing to do with it.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:43:39pm |
re: #82 Raryn
Forgive me, is that not a proper form of address for LGF readers/commentators?
No, It’s you Lizard Masters!
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Guanxi88 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:44:08pm |
re: #82 Raryn
Forgive me, is that not a proper form of address for LGF readers/commentators?
“Zionist honcos” gained some currency awhile ago, and is perfectly acceptable.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:44:13pm |
re: #83 Baier
The US has been holding the value of the dollar down for some time now.
Never mind, you missed my sarcasm.
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TedStriker Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:44:14pm |
re: #80 Walter L. Newton
“We are ‘worried’ about weak dollar: Eurogroup chief” (AFP)
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]
Oops, looks like another Fox manufactured phony crisis. AFP does mean Agence Fox Press, right?
No…AFP stands for Agence France-Presse.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:44:27pm |
re: #80 Walter L. Newton
Walter, arguments over then “weak” dollar go back quite a ways. It was only a couple of years ago when the argument flared up for an Nth time, then when oil hit a new high there was great concern about the large trade deficit and what it impact it would have.
In other words, it is not so much a “nontroversy” as just an opportunistic way to attack President Obama.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:47:23pm |
re: #81 DaddyG
Oops I should have read further.
“We also asked how much “individuals who took out loans and mortgages they could not afford” were to blame on the same five-point scale. In this case, Democrats were less likely than Republicans to assign moderate or greater blame.”
That is disturbing. The comments were weird. Madoff was a fart in hurricane in terms of his impact yet the link between his being Jewish and the crisis seems to be very real in the minds of some polled.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:47:37pm |
This is the second wonderful thing about Zionism: it was right. Every other “ism” of the modern world was wrong about the nature of civilized man—Marxism, mesmerism, surrealism, pacifism, existentialism, nudism. But civilized man did want to kill Jews, and was going to do more of it.
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bosforus Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:48:18pm |
re: #82 Raryn
Forgive me, is that not a proper form of address for LGF readers/commentators?
Don’t take ArchangelMichael’s question seriously. The sarcasm tag (the “/”) at the end of his comment should clarify that s/he was only kidding with the interrogation style of questioning. Don’t sweat it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:49:18pm |
re: #92 The Sanity Inspector
This is the second wonderful thing about Zionism: it was right. Every other “ism” of the modern world was wrong about the nature of civilized man—Marxism, mesmerism, surrealism, pacifism, existentialism, nudism. But civilized man did want to kill Jews, and was going to do more of it.
What about impressionism?
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:49:34pm |
re: #88 talon_262
re: #89 freetoken
Attack Obama? Stating the truth is attacking Obama. Yea, I get it.
I was being sarcastic. Sorry for the confusion. A few weeks ago some people were blaming Fox for spreading unfounded rumors that the dollar was going to go to hell, and it was all Fox’s fault.
It seems to me, 2 or 3 times a week, when I read the foreign press, that there are articles about the weak dollar and the lack of support for the dollar.
It’s not just some sinister Fox plot.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:50:33pm |
I apologize for re-posting this up here. But it is important.
Unfortunately, on a day where we had two AGW threads, I had pressing work in the lab and I was unable to respond to many things as I normally would on such threads.
One of the things that I would like to most clearly state is the certainty to which we know there is a problem.
The mechanisms behind AGW are actually quite simple to understand. So much so, that many find it difficult to understand how people don’t get them when they are laid out. To be fair, the interactions of those mechanisms are quite complex and there are very many great difficulties in pinning down certain predictions accurately.
However, just because we can not say that on August 12 2079, the sea level will be x, or the temperature in Denver will be y, does not mean that the basic mechanisms are no longer at play or that they have lost their power or simplicity.
It does not mean that there is nearly the wiggle room for doubt that many hold for whatever reasons.
Here are some of the mechanisms:
1. CO2 really is a GHG, and the sun really does emit a large amount of IR. When CO2 is hit by IR, it both becomes warm through vibrations and it can then re-radiate the absorbed IR back to earth - where it gets absorbed by other things that in turn heat up. It is well understood quantum mechanics as to why CO2 does this. Even if it were not throughly understood why it does this, it has been conclusively measured for over 100 years that it does this.
It follows immediately that the more CO2 you have in your atmosphere, the warmer you planet must be. This can not be debated. It follows immediately that if you increase CO2 concentrations in your atmosphere, your planet must warm as a matter of consequence. This has been directly observed.
2. The warmer your planet gets, the more ice will melt. It should not be hard to imagine that the Earth is in some sort of dynamic equilibrium in terms of how much ice it has. It should not be hard to imagine that as you warm the planet, you change the equilibrium and ice must melt. It already did so as part of natural cycles at the cooler temperatures 100 years ago. It should only do so more now. We see this happening now.
This also creates a feedback. Ice reflects more IR into space - where it will not be absorbed terrestrially and warm things - than water. If you have more water, less IR gets reflected, which will warm things more, which will mean you have even less ice. Then the cycle repeats: more IR is absorbed etc… This is a feedback. We are seeing it happen now. This too is not hard to understand.
Note: from both of these effects alone, there should be no debate that these processes end without ice if you keep adding CO2 into the atmosphere. This should be obvious.
3. As you warm the Siberian and Canadian bogs, you have yet another massive GHG release in the form of both methane and CO2. This is another feedback. More melting -> more GHG from the bogs -> more warming -> more melting.
Again, what is so hard to understand? Where is there room for uncertainness? Where is there room to say maybe not?
There are other feedbacks as well. There are shifting currents, ocean anoxia and all matter of other things to discuss as well. However, these three are sufficient to make my main point.
There is not a lot of room to debate the ultimate effect of this or where the road leads. If one were to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, there is not a lot of room for debate of the consequences there either.
The problem with our culture is that everyone feels they have a right to an opinion, in science you do not. Some have a romanticized view of the uncertainties of science. No, we are very certain. People need to understand this, because we are all at risk and time is short to act.
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Guanxi88 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:50:35pm |
re: #95 Walter L. Newton
re: #89 freetoken
Attack Obama? Stating the truth is attacking Obama. Yea, I get it.
I was being sarcastic. Sorry for the confusion. A few weeks ago some people were blaming Fox for spreading unfounded rumors that the dollar was going to go to hell, and it was all Fox’s fault.
It seems to me, 2 or 3 times a week, when I read the foreign press, that there are articles about the weak dollar and the lack of support for the dollar.
It’s not just some sinister Fox plot.
Not yet, it isn’t.
///
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Jack Burton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:50:54pm |
re: #82 Raryn
Forgive me, is that not a proper form of address for LGF readers/commentators?
Don’t worry about it. I was trying to be funny (ala Tropic Thunder: “What do you mean ‘you people’?”) and don’t always succeed.
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SixDegrees Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:51:11pm |
re: #84 lawhawk
The truly troubling bit is the alchemy involved in claiming jobs created or saved.
Prior to this Administration, no one ever considered a nonsensical statistic such as jobs saved, and yet Obama not only wants to use it to puff up his role in propping up the economy (which is a dubious assertion), but wants to lump the figure in with the jobs created - a more concrete term that requires the actual creation of a job.
In other words, if you still have your job after the recession, the Administration will consider it a saved job, even if the stimulus had nothing to do with it.
There’s nothing at all good in this report. Anytime a professional organization whose business is to analyze and evaluate budgets starts tossing around phrases like “really weird job numbers” and “We don’t know what’s going on there” it is not a good sign.
I noticed the bizarre attempt to measure “jobs saved,” an utterly meaningless non-statistic. You’re correct; attempting to cook the books with a number like this allows the Administration to claim “We saved or created 300 million jobs!” because they can consider every job in the country to have been at risk, and more.
How about measuring the friggin’ unemployment rate, which is designed to track such information and has been computed in a simple, well understood fashion for decades?
Ugh.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:51:39pm |
re: #96 LudwigVanQuixote
People need to understand this, because we are all at risk and time is short to act.
Fifty days if I remember what Gordon Brown said.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:51:40pm |
re: #93 bosforus
Don’t take ArchangelMichael’s question seriously. The sarcasm tag (the “/”) at the end of his comment should clarify that s/he was only kidding with the interrogation style of questioning. Don’t sweat it.
Using the term “you people” is considered bigoted stereotyping when discussing an ethnic minority group. Archangel/Micheal was making a pun out of that by reacting to “you Lizards” since Lizards are obviously not an ethnic group but some loosley affiliated bloggers. You did not offend anyone with your comment Raryn- you just provided an opportunity for a pun of sorts.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:51:59pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:52:08pm |
re: #98 ArchangelMichael
Don’t worry about it. I was trying to be funny (ala Tropic Thunder: “What do you mean ‘you people’?”) and don’t always succeed.
That was also a funny line in Me, Myself and Irene.
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MandyManners Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:52:45pm |
re: #92 The Sanity Inspector
This is the second wonderful thing about Zionism: it was right. Every other “ism” of the modern world was wrong about the nature of civilized man—Marxism, mesmerism, surrealism, pacifism, existentialism, nudism. But civilized man did want to kill Jews, and was going to do more of it.
You got something against nudism?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:53:02pm |
re: #100 Walter L. Newton
Fifty days if I remember what Gordon Brown said.
That I personally feel is too pessimistic. However, I can say for certain that we do not have fifty years.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:53:14pm |
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:53:45pm |
re: #97 Guanxi88
Not yet, it isn’t.
///
You know, it’s really good that I don’t hook into any of the “show stopping” tricks by the progressives. I would be afraid to even take a breath without being worried that someone would accuse me of making a remark about Obama using feigned flatulence
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SeaMonkey Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:53:55pm |
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:53:56pm |
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SixDegrees Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:54:12pm |
re: #95 Walter L. Newton
re: #89 freetoken
Attack Obama? Stating the truth is attacking Obama. Yea, I get it.
I was being sarcastic. Sorry for the confusion. A few weeks ago some people were blaming Fox for spreading unfounded rumors that the dollar was going to go to hell, and it was all Fox’s fault.
It seems to me, 2 or 3 times a week, when I read the foreign press, that there are articles about the weak dollar and the lack of support for the dollar.
It’s not just some sinister Fox plot.
For what it’s worth, the dollar strengthened significantly today. Gold fell markedly as a result.
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Jack Burton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:54:25pm |
re: #103 Mad Al-Jaffee
That was also a funny line in Me, Myself and Irene.
Forgot about that one. Usually the only lines I remember from that movie are the discussion about deuterons and “that goddamn electron” that would make Enrico Fermi roll over in his grave.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:54:55pm |
re: #110 Mad Al-Jaffee
If you’re good at impressionism, you make good monet.
Yes, but Sarat got his point accross.
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freetoken Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:55:06pm |
re: #95 Walter L. Newton
I didn’t say YOU were attacking Obama, Walter. However, the Beckians and the ugly-o-sphere clearly do, for the thrill of it, and they and the mainstream GOP machine try to make something out of the recent fall of the dollar.
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bosforus Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:55:20pm |
re: #107 DaddyG
Pendantic enough for ya! ;-)
Humor can be very pedantic.
..and what do you mean “ya”?
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:55:21pm |
Here’s a question worth pondering:
Why did Israel get the Goldstone treatment after Cast Lead and not after the Second Lebanon War?
My guess is that since Israel came out relatively unscathed militarily with many goals achieved, including the deflation of Hamas’ image, this small victory had to be mitigated. The Second Lebanon War, on the other hand, was perceived as a stalemate.
Does anyone else have a good answer?
.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:55:44pm |
re: #111 SixDegrees
For what it’s worth, the dollar strengthened significantly today. Gold fell markedly as a result.
I guess that was planned by Beck and Fox too!
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Ben Hur Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:56:02pm |
re: #100 Walter L. Newton
Fifty days if I remember what Gordon Brown said.
AL Gore said 5 years…7 years ago.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:56:08pm |
re: #111 SixDegrees
For what it’s worth, the dollar strengthened significantly today. Gold fell markedly as a result.
Darn. I just put all my jewelry in an envelope and sent it to be melted down. Do you think they will give me the price at my postmarked date? //
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:56:17pm |
As to the main topic of this thread, which is something very near and dear to my heart.. of course the truth about Israel or her actions doe not matter to her enemies.
Israel truly does have a very moral army that tries very very hard to limit civilian casualties to the risk of its own soldiers and civilians. This is something that any military person will tell you.
However, reality and politics rarely mix.
Particular when your human rights council has some of the worst offenders on the planet as members.
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DaddyG Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:57:15pm |
re: #117 Walter L. Newton
I guess that was planned by Beck and Fox too!
Savage has been running all of those gold commercials. It’s his fault. /
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:57:37pm |
re: #114 freetoken
I didn’t say YOU were attacking Obama, Walter. However, the Beckians and the ugly-o-sphere clearly do, for the thrill of it, and they and the mainstream GOP machine try to make something out of the recent fall of the dollar.
And my point AGAIN, is that this has not been manufactured by Fisk or Fox, as I have heard some people opine. I have been reading financial articles from a number of different sources over the last few weeks that discuss the same fears.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:58:43pm |
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Raryn Tue, Oct 20, 2009 12:59:19pm |
re: #101 DaddyG
Using the term “you people” is considered bigoted stereotyping when discussing an ethnic minority group. Archangel/Micheal was making a pun out of that by reacting to “you Lizards” since Lizards are obviously not an ethnic group but some loosley affiliated bloggers. You did not offend anyone with your comment Raryn- you just provided an opportunity for a pun of sorts.
My fault, I’m new and didn’t realize what the “/” tag meant. Perhaps I should have spent more time reading the comments before I registered rather than just the blog.
Thanks for the clarity Lizardfolks.
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The Sanity Inspector Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:00:26pm |
re: #105 MandyManners
You got something against nudism?
It’s not for everyone. It’s not even for everyone who thinks it’s for them!
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reloadingisnotahobby Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:04:20pm |
re: #28 filetandrelease
That is going to leave a mark. Or at least it should.
Only if it is STAPLED to their forehead…In a Language they
understand!
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ryannon Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:06:25pm |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:08:07pm |
re: #66 Raryn
Oh good grief, why does anyone of either party blame them at all?
Teh stupid is getting strong in this country.
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Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:35:52pm |
re: #96 LudwigVanQuixote
All of what you said is accurate except for the bit about “certain.” Some of it is indisputable, some highly likely, some somewhat likely, some probable and some only suspected.
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captdiggs Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:40:07pm |
The current UN is not interested in any truth regarding Israel, and a lot of other issues.
It’s become a mockery of the ideals it was founded on.
A place where third world autocracies revel in the democratic vote they have at the UN, while denying such freedoms to their own people.
And most ironically, they use this democratic system to suppress freedom and democracy at every turn.
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Sully33 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:50:00pm |
Thanks Charles… How is it that stating the obvious has become profound.?
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GCM29 Tue, Oct 20, 2009 1:50:21pm |
Good for the colonel, its nice to see someone other than an Israeli or an American stand up for Israel against the odious UN, which is nothing but a large group of Hamas apologists.
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John Neverbend Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:08:21pm |
Bugger me, that was a good speech! Of course, the UN won’t take a blind bit of notice.
Is there any downside if Israel says “sod off” to the UN and withdraws its membership. I seem to recall that in Haifa, “UN avenue” was renamed as “Ben-Gurion avenue” some years ago after the then latest UN excess against the very existence of Israel. Was this just the beginning to a full scale exit?
Related to this, I’ve noticed that Youtube is now blocking comments on many pro-Israel videos. Is this true for the numerous anti-Israel videos? I don’t know, as I haven’t watched any of the recent ones. I also heard that Youtube was threatening to take down a video presentation from an Arabic speaking IDF spokesman, Captain Avichai Adraee, on the basis of not enough people’s watching it. I received a frantic e-mail from a friend telling me to watch it several times. It’s still up on Youtube, and for reference, here it is:
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marsl Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:11:07pm |
Israeli armed forces takes all measures to avoid civilian casualties, but in the end, is charged with war crimes.
Russian armed forces does not care at all with civilians, kills everything that moves and this idiotic UN never dreams to charge the russians with war crimes.
If Gaza were Chechnya and Israel were Russia, the Gazans would be carpet-bombed by air force, artillery, tactical missiles (like SS-21) and naval gunfire., slaughtered and in the end, Gaza would be a 5 star summer resort, with no palis.
And I bet with anyone that no one would care about it. But, because there jews involved, the world wakes and starts “to care”. With the so called “victims of the jews” of course, because we know that they don’t care at all with the jews. And as a matter of fact, if the jews were exterminated by the arabs or the iranians, those leftists groups (whose says that defends life) would celebrate.
This world is sick. And we know the disease. While the cure…
How do we cure the disease called anti-semitism?
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gregb Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:13:14pm |
I find it amazing that even has to be said. Isn’t that obvious and well known at this point as confirmed by many, many independent news agencies.
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Jimash Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:34:02pm |
re: #96 LudwigVanQuixote
” It should not be hard to imagine that the Earth is in some sort of dynamic equilibrium in terms of how much ice it has.”
Not hard to imagine.
Just incredibly wrong.
You do not know what the normal amount of ice on the Earth is.
For millions of years the Earth has fluxed between Ice Ages and warm periods.
It is not warmer now than any of the previous warm periods, predictions of inexorable warming are busted, and the entire concept plays on the fact that any further Ice Ages , though possible, are unimaginable.
Imagine that.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:34:55pm |
re: #131 Bagua
All of what you said is accurate except for the bit about “certain.” Some of it is indisputable, some highly likely, some somewhat likely, some probable and some only suspected.
Actually, not a single thing stated in those three mechanisms is anything other than absolutely certain.
PLease tell me which ones you think have any doubt and why?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:41:19pm |
re: #138 Jimash
” It should not be hard to imagine that the Earth is in some sort of dynamic equilibrium in terms of how much ice it has.”
Not hard to imagine.
Just incredibly wrong.
You do not know what the normal amount of ice on the Earth is.
For millions of years the Earth has fluxed between Ice Ages and warm periods.
It is not warmer now than any of the previous warm periods, predictions of inexorable warming are busted, and the entire concept plays on the fact that any further Ice Ages , though possible, are unimaginable.
Imagine that.
No you are the one who is mistaken on almost all of your points. Particularly as you try badly put them together.
The realities of past climate cycles serve to inform us that dramatic shifts in equilibria are possible.
When deniers make the “the climate is always changin” argument, or any of it’s variants , they invariably miss two key points.
One is that for very long periods of time, some form of equilibrium was reached, only to be changed by some forcing. The timescales involved in the current forcing are one of the smoking guns that we caused it BTW.
Two, is that just because there were natural forcing in the past, does not mean that we are not causing the current forcing. It is like arguing that in the past, a cat knocked over a fishbowl, and an earthquake knocked over a fish bowl - but because of that, you can’t.
You are just wrong on both counts.
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mr.JA Tue, Oct 20, 2009 2:51:10pm |
re: #138 Jimash
” It should not be hard to imagine that the Earth is in some sort of dynamic equilibrium in terms of how much ice it has.”
Not hard to imagine.
Just incredibly wrong.
You do not know what the normal amount of ice on the Earth is.
For millions of years the Earth has fluxed between Ice Ages and warm periods.
It is not warmer now than any of the previous warm periods, predictions of inexorable warming are busted, and the entire concept plays on the fact that any further Ice Ages , though possible, are unimaginable.
Imagine that.
Dare I to say that everything you say has been falsified in a recent publication in science. I quote the abstract:
Coupling of CO2 and Ice Sheet Stability Over Major Climate Transitions of the Last 20 Million Years
The CO2 content of the atmosphere has varied cyclically between ~180 and ~280 ppmv over the last 800,000 years, closely coupled with temperature and sea level. For earlier periods in Earth’s history, pCO2 is much less certain and the relationship between pCO2 and climate remains poorly constrained. We use boron/calcium ratios in foraminifera to estimate pCO2 during major climate transitions of the last 20 million years (myr). During the Middle Miocene, when temperatures were ~3 to 6°C warmer and sea level 25 to 40 meters higher than present, pCO2 was similar to modern levels. Decreases in pCO2 were synchronous with major episodes of glacial expansion during the Middle Miocene (~14 to 10 million years ago; Ma) and Late Pliocene (~3.3 to -2.4 Ma)
[Link: www.sciencemag.org…]
If you’re really very interested I can send you the pdf of the article.
Ontopic, the speech was amazing and it reflected incredibly well the frustrations Israeli people (at least the ones I met during my visit) had with international press etc.
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Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:02:01pm |
re: #139 LudwigVanQuixote
Some have a romanticized view of the uncertainties of science. No, we are very certain.
That bit.
Other than that I find nothing controversial in the generalities of which you wrote.
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Bob Dillon Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:12:58pm |
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prairiefire Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:28:05pm |
OT~ Ariel Sharon has been in a coma now for four years. I miss his centrist attitude.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:34:02pm |
As always — comments that complain about what I do or do not post at LGF are going to be deleted. If you repost your link without the complaining, it won’t be deleted.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 3:53:48pm |
re: #142 Bagua
That bit.
Other than that I find nothing controversial in the generalities of which you wrote.
And here is the Bagua passive aggressive two step… I am so tired of it,
You originally wrote, of the whole post… and all of the undisputed science in it,
Some of it is indisputable, some highly likely, some somewhat likely, some probable and some only suspected.
Uhuh and then no, you were actually quibbling about the phrase certain and called what I wrote generalities.
I am so sick of your shit Bagua.
Those are not generalities. Every single thing I wrote in that post is a verified fact. And yes, we are certain of them. That is what verified fact means.
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Jimash Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:00:48pm |
re: #141 mr.JA
So, if everything i said was false, then it must follow that you are asserting that there will not be, can not be another Ice Age.
Or was I right about that part ?
There were warm periods before.
The clip from the paper quoted refers to the pCo2 concentration being synchronous with the Ice sheeting ?
Where did THAT Co2 come from ? ( and “Synchronous” is weasely)
” It is like arguing that in the past, a cat knocked over a fishbowl, and an earthquake knocked over a fish bowl - but because of that, you can’t.”
No, it’s more like arguing that and earthquake knocked over a house,
A hurricane knocked over a house.
Regardless, you cannot knock over a house.
I read a scary story about “nuclear winter”. It was very precise and described just how may bombs of what strength over how many cities would do that trick.
The megatonnage accounted for every single bomb on the planet. What are the odds eh ?
Its similar here.
You could tell me that such and such might happen, that we shouldn’t fool with it too much, that it might be good to clean up on some stuff.
But don’t keep telling me its going to be Venus here. Its not.
I’ll tell you, I have adjusted my energy requirements as much as I am going to.
( no windmill or Solar roof yet but maybe)
The lightbulbs are making me blind.
I drive a tiny ULEV vehicle. My wife, a hybrid.
I’ll do my part in the name of non-polluting and energy efficiency.
Just don’t feed me fairy stories about how the climate was in some magical equilibrium that man has upset.
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ronnie Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:01:15pm |
Gentle readers,
Slightly off topic, but the way things are going for Israel (both at the UN and with the new Obama administration), here’s a scary scenario that was very cleverly put together by Brett Stephens from the WSJ (as a warning sign):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574454782341597654.html
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plonialmoni Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:02:46pm |
Saw this yesterday. Glad it was posted and hope many people see it. It’s so obvious to people who have been in Israel, met the soldiers and the Arabs. Despite many people’s distorted views of the situation, most of the people in Israel get along quite well. If Israelis really hated Arabs, like some people think, they would never have granted them equal rights, and gave control of the temple mount to the Waqf.
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Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:04:34pm |
re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote
Uhuh and then no, you were actually quibbling about the phrase certain and called what I wrote generalities.
I am so sick of your shit Bagua.
Those are not generalities. Every single thing I wrote in that post is a verified fact. And yes, we are certain of them. That is what verified fact means.
As you are unable to debate without resort to insults, anger and profanity I will not reply as I do not wish to stoop to that level. My comments are for the benefit of the many other readers of this blog.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:05:44pm |
re: #149 Jimash
Your screeds are rather obnoxious. This is not a fairy story and you are misapplying what a dynamic equilibrium is.
As to preventing another ice age, well duh.. We certainly are not heading for one in the near future now are we?
I would respectfully suggest that you take the tim to learn the science involved in your statements.
Please try this link.
[Link: earthguide.ucsd.edu…]
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GalloPinto Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:06:11pm |
Amazing that he was allowed to speak. I love when you get the posting on social sites showing so called atrocities and it looks like clipping from the Iraq-Iran War.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:06:46pm |
re: #152 Bagua
As you are unable to debate without resort to insults, anger and profanity I will not reply as I do not wish to stoop to that level. My comments are for the benefit of the many other readers of this blog.
Except that they are not true and full of distortions and back handed insults. I am at least honest about the crap you post on this.
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Jimash Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:09:29pm |
re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote
“Your screeds are rather obnoxious.”
Really ? I haven’t even started a screed or become obnoxious yet.
Another delicate flower .
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wrenchwench Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:12:16pm |
re: #148 ronnie
you will be able to bring more of your old readers back
Why do you think that would be desirable?
I think you’ve missed a lot.
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Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:12:31pm |
re: #155 LudwigVanQuixote
Except that they are not true and full of distortions and back handed insults. I am at least honest about the crap you post on this.
Ludwig, I don’t purposely post “distortions and back handed insults”, when posting here. I occasionally post insults directed at trolls and flouncers. Other than that I always do my best to be respectful of those I am chatting with, even when we disagree.
My words stand as written, they are accurate and you are incorrect.
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ronnie Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:16:30pm |
re: #151 plonialmoni
I know - that’s why this is such a great piece - it’s so scary because it’s so real and actually (unfortunately) has a decent chance of actually happening. Have to give credit to Charles - because I was reading the WSJ and then saw this piece and immediately remember quite some time ago I remember him posting at least one or two pieces by Brett here (so I know where he stands). But this piece was so scary if someone reads it quickly on a plane w/o having the same “background of obviousness”, he/she might immediately dismiss it as some MSM anti-Israel agitpro (which it is obviously not).
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mr.JA Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:16:43pm |
re: #149 Jimash
If you point is that the earth has been relatively hot and very cold before then you’re theoretically right.
What irritated me in your post was the message it transpired, namely: “It has always fluctuated so it’ll be ok”
It will not. We would like to live as Homo sapiens here on the planet, and a dramatically hotter planet (or a significantly cooler one, for that matter) would be bad news for us.
Sure, the planet will keep spinning around the sun and doing its thing, it is about the consequences to us, here and now, that worry me.
‘It has always fluctuated and we’ve had hotter times before’ is an incredibly dangerous statement to make, especially to an informed publicum.
If we really get a significant rise in sea levels then we have some serious issues - at least, my country (The Netherlands) does. I’m worried about global warming, and would like many people to understand what the consequences are. LudwigVanQuixote’s post is excellent and I’ll remember it- well written (+point will come if I have the 50 posts…).
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Tom on the Rez Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:22:23pm |
I’m happy to see you post this. More, Please! Can I at least complain about those green infolink thingies? They’re too small to read, thus making your posts hard to follow.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:23:11pm |
re: #156 Jimash
“Your screeds are rather obnoxious.”
Really ? I haven’t even started a screed or become obnoxious yet.
Another delicate flower .
No not at all, just a physicist who is tired of ignorant hacks like you refusing to look at the science. If you actually care to educate yourself, please try the following link. It is kosher, from actual climate scientists at UCSD, and it will address pretty much everything you bring with actual facts and data.
[Link: earthguide.ucsd.edu…]
This link is from actual scientists at NOAA.
[Link: www.ncdc.noaa.gov…]
Just read it and learn. Try it.
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Jimash Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:23:33pm |
re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote
“As to preventing another ice age, well duh.. We certainly are not heading for one in the near future now are we?
“
I don’t know. Let’s look it up.
We are in an interglacial period.
New research suggests that Ice Ages may not start again for many millenia.
But there is NO guarantee of that.
“Earth’s climate and the biosphere have been in constant flux, dominated by ice ages and glaciers for the past several million years. We are currently enjoying a temporary reprieve from the deep freeze.
Approximately every 100,000 years Earth’s climate warms up temporarily. These warm periods, called interglacial periods, appear to last approximately 15,000 to 20,000 years before regressing back to a cold ice age climate. At year 18,000 and counting our current interglacial vacation from the Ice Age is much nearer its end than its beginning. “
So I copied and pasted that. IS it wrong ? is it false ?
Mr JA (Congrats on the initials LOL)
You read in more than I write.
And knowing the reaction to even a syllable of “dissent” I have
made a point of my personal quest for energy efficiency.
But it is apparent that zealots want more. Being as we are still well within habitable ranges and dong what we can, I am getting tired of being bludgeoned and threatened.
| 164 |
Jimash Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:25:38pm |
re: #160 mr.JA
“f we really get a significant rise in sea levels then we have some serious issues - at least, my country (The Netherlands) does.”
Sorry to double post but,
IS there any sea level rise measurable in the Netherlands ?
| 165 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:27:04pm |
re: #158 Bagua
Ludwig, I don’t purposely post “distortions and back handed insults”, when posting here…
My words stand as written, they are accurate and you are incorrect.
Except that everything I wrote in that post is a verified fact. And yes we are certain of the facts.
If you would point to a specific thing you wish to quibble at perhaps I could explain why it was a correct statement - and BTW it is, we are certain about those mechanisms and we are certain that if left unchecked they lead to a disaster, it would be better.
However, you smugly cast doubt where there is none. It is a common denier tactic, and you should be sensitive enough to that reality to be more careful yourself in you false aspersions.
| 166 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:32:43pm |
re: #163 Jimash
Being as we are still well within habitable ranges…
If I understand you correctly, you are suggesting that since shit has happened before, there is no reason to think there is any different reason it might happen now, and besides; shit happens…who, me worry?
| 167 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:33:58pm |
re: #163 Jimash
So what you wrote is utter rubbish.
OK let’s just get that clear. You are starting to annoy, not because of your persistence, but you inability to follow the arguments as to why you are wrong.
There are indeed, historically many cycles in the Earth’s climate history driven by many different factors. Some have longer and others have shorter timescales.
None of them matter at the moment, because we are driving the current one in a very short timescale. It is not a natural cycle. There is not a doubt about this. The atmosphere is heating from the inside out - a smoking gun, that the warming is NOT solar driven, and we are not in a orbital variation that would cause a warming.
However, the gigatons of CO2 we have dumped into the atmosphere is driving changes that we are seeing now and starting feedbacks that in the past have led to very drastic climate shifts.
The basic science is very well understood.
If you do not believe me, then look at it!
Here it is again:
[Link: earthguide.ucsd.edu…]
| 168 |
Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:36:39pm |
re: #165 LudwigVanQuixote
Except that everything I wrote in that post is a verified fact. And yes we are certain of the facts.
If you would point to a specific thing you wish to quibble at perhaps I could explain why it was a correct statement - and BTW it is, we are certain about those mechanisms and we are certain that if left unchecked they lead to a disaster, it would be better.
However, you smugly cast doubt where there is none. It is a common denier tactic, and you should be sensitive enough to that reality to be more careful yourself in you false aspersions.
Again, I was very clear in stating that All of what you said is accurate except for the bit about “certain.” Some of it is indisputable, some highly likely, some somewhat likely, some probable and some only suspected.
Nothing was wrong or in dispute except the conclusion of “certainly” which in general misstates the science.
| 169 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:41:19pm |
re: #168 Bagua
Again, I was very clear in stating that All of what you said is accurate except for the bit about “certain.” Some of it is indisputable, some highly likely, some somewhat likely, some probable and some only suspected.
Nothing was wrong or in dispute except the conclusion of “certainly” which in general misstates the science.
Uhuh,
So if you buy those three mechanisms as established, what is uncertain about losing the caps eventually and facing an eco collapse if we continue to trigger them?
You keep claiming that there is an uncertainty here…
Ok…
Where is it?
| 171 |
Jimash Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:43:58pm |
I can follow the arguments, mostly.
” smoking gun, that the warming is NOT solar driven”
But the entire climate IS solar driven isn’t it ?
And the sun has been taking it easy right ?
And the warming has NOT proceeded apace per 2001 expectations has it ?
When do you expect that it will pick up again ?
| 172 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:49:57pm |
re: #171 Jimash
I can follow the arguments, mostly.
” smoking gun, that the warming is NOT solar driven”
Yes this is a correct statement, for the warming to be a result of Solar variation or for that matter any extraterrestrial origin, the heating would have to be occurring from the outer atmosphere down. Yet is is heating from near the surface (where all the emissions are) up. Do you understand why t has to be that way and why this is a smoking gun?
But the entire climate IS solar driven isn’t it ?
Of course and well duh, but the climate is changing and solar output is not in any significant way. Therefore, we are trapping more of the sun’s energy.
And the sun has been taking it easy right ?
Ever so very slightly, and yet we are still warming.
And the warming has NOT proceeded apace per 2001 expectations has it ?
When do you expect that it will pick up again ?And just how many times do you need to see that particular stupid denier talking point debunked before you learn the science?
Why not look at the actual data? I linked it to you three times already… here’s a fourth. It’s just a mouse click… try it…
[Link: www.ncdc.noaa.gov…]
| 173 |
Tom on the rez Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:57:40pm |
Ludwig:
I’ve followed your links in the past and am not convinced. Where’s the original data so others can replicate the analysis? Why do some AGW folks trust the ground readings but not those from satellites? It smacks of religion, where we’re not allowed to see the knowledge hidden behind the veil - laymen are not allowed in the presence of the “holy of holies.” I respect that you’re a physicist, but I don’t need a Phd to spreadsheet that data and see where it leads.
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tradewind Tue, Oct 20, 2009 4:57:58pm |
Bravo.
Can someone please send this clip to the White House, attention POTUS?
| 175 |
Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:04:33pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
Uhuh,
So if you buy those three mechanisms as established, what is uncertain about losing the caps eventually and facing an eco collapse if we continue to trigger them?
You keep claiming that there is an uncertainty here…
Ok…
Where is it?
You could start with the “uncertaintyguidancenote” from the the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report.
Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis
Here it is verbatim:
Table 4. Likelihood Scale
Terminology Likelihood of the occurrence/ outcome
Virtually certain = >99% probability of occurence
Very likely = >90% probability
Likely = >66% probability
About as likely as not = 33 to 66% probability
Unlikely =[less then]33% probability
Very Unlikely =[less than] 10% probability
Exceptionally unlikely =[less than] 1% probability]
ed. I added words in bracket [less than] as I could not post the notation and added the = sign.
| 176 |
Jimash Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:04:49pm |
re: #172 LudwigVanQuixote
That is a very nice page. I appreciate your patience.
The Sunspots failed to appear in 2008.
It is cold. There were record snowfalls last year, record coldspells all over
and the snow has started early this year.
It was a cruddy summer.
If it was 140 in BAghdad, it has been so before.
The actual data, takes a pretty cold period ( and for all I know we are still emerging fro that) as normal. It was not. And then it stops in 2000 with wild projections of inexorable warming.
All I am saying is, you’ve gotten my attention.
I and millions like me want to hedge our bets.
And I feel like the info is tilted.
There is a reason why the little climate optimum is called that.
Can’t we just stop when we need glasses ? ( old joke)
| 178 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:29:27pm |
re: #173 Tom on the rez
Ludwig:
I’ve followed your links in the past and am not convinced. Where’s the original data so others can replicate the analysis? Why do some AGW folks trust the ground readings but not those from satellites? It smacks of religion, where we’re not allowed to see the knowledge hidden behind the veil - laymen are not allowed in the presence of the “holy of holies.” I respect that you’re a physicist, but I don’t need a Phd to spreadsheet that data and see where it leads.
Well you could easly go to any of the original peer-revied papers that those links cite, or that I myslef have linked here. That might be a start.
As to analyzing the data yourself… You do realize that as soon as someone says that, they give themselves up as questionable.
This is because if you were qualified to do that math, you would have looked at the original papers yourself, and if you are not qualified to do the math, then looking at the math will not help.
BTW, we use something a bit more complicated than XL to do the analysis, so I again doubt what good that would do you.
However, on the off chance that you can do this, then please please look at the original journal papers. There is a bibliography in those links.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:32:14pm |
re: #175 Bagua
You could start with the “uncertaintyguidancenote” from the the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report.
Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis
Here it is verbatim:
Table 4. Likelihood Scale
Terminology Likelihood of the occurrence/ outcome
Virtually certain = >99% probability of occurence
Very likely = >90% probability
Likely = >66% probability
About as likely as not = 33 to 66% probability
Unlikely =[less then]33% probability
Very Unlikely =[less than] 10% probability
Exceptionally unlikely =[less than] 1% probability]ed. I added words in bracket [less than] as I could not post the notation and added the = sign.
Bagua, that is such crap, stop squirming.
I made three definitive statements in that post. I claimed that the science about them leading ultimately to a catastrophe, if left unchecked was certain. This is not about IPCC and the multitude of things it does and doesn not cover.
This was about three, well defined and certain statements. You claimed they are not certain.
OK.
Back that up or shut up. I get tired of your word games and you whining.
You are not a scientist in this field, you do not have either the background or the evidence to back up your aspersions and I am tired of them.
| 180 |
Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:43:46pm |
re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote
[…].
Ludwig,
If you were a real scientist you simply would not talk in terms of “certainties” you would use the sort of language the IPCC and all real scientist use.
| 181 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 20, 2009 5:46:43pm |
re: #177 ronnie
If you continue with this, I’m simply going to take away your account. It’s your choice.
| 182 |
Tom on the rez Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:00:17pm |
Ludwig:
Yes I might need help with the math of the secondary analysis. And I’d love to have someone like you, or a climate scientist, go over it with me after I’ve done the primary analysis of the data. I’d appreciate your help in finding it - 25 years of original weather station temps (with provenance) that everyone you point us to seems to be relying upon.
If I could see it, with some assurance it hadn’t been “massaged,” I would be at the point where I was ready to follow where you want to lead. You obviously want to educate, but a student has to be able to understand the language of the teacher. Until we agree on the concrete, you cannot lift me into the abstract. Show me the files where these original numbers live, and I’ll be able to see how temps are rising, and how they are distributed.
(Possibly) unlike others on this site, I appreciate your patience and the links you provide. I’m not trying to be obtuse, but I’m a long time reader of Skeptical Inquirer and habits become ingrained.
| 183 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:04:14pm |
re: #182 Tom on the rez
You really want to suggest that you are going to use LGF as the forum to do an original study and analysis of AGW, and make a conclusive statement; if only you could find the data?
Are you serious, or do you simply want to be taken seriously?
| 184 |
Tom on the rez Tue, Oct 20, 2009 6:29:32pm |
Naso Tang:
I’m seriously skeptical. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. At least gently guide me to others who’ve seen the data in its original form; I’m not gonna turn my life upside down - give up internal combustion, treat CO2 as a pollutant, give up fossil fuels - on the say so of people with an obvious political agenda (present company excluded). And no, I don’t expect to be taken seriously; it’s fricken LGF. I’m just another doggone lizard.
| 185 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:31:05pm |
re: #180 Bagua
Ludwig,
If you were a real scientist you simply would not talk in terms of “certainties” you would use the sort of language the IPCC and all real scientist use.
NO you complete moron. If I jump off a ledge I do not think I might fall down, or probably fall down, or with greater than 90% confidence fall down.
OK.
Get a clue.
| 186 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Oct 20, 2009 7:32:35pm |
re: #184 Tom on the rez
Naso Tang:
I’m seriously skeptical. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. At least gently guide me to others who’ve seen the data in its original form; I’m not gonna turn my life upside down - give up internal combustion, treat CO2 as a pollutant, give up fossil fuels - on the say so of people with an obvious political agenda (present company excluded). And no, I don’t expect to be taken seriously; it’s fricken LGF. I’m just another doggone lizard.
Google, and Amazon, is your friend.
| 187 |
Bagua Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:26:49pm |
re: #185 LudwigVanQuixote
NO you complete moron. If I jump off a ledge I do not think I might fall down, or probably fall down, or with greater than 90% confidence fall down.
OK.
Get a clue.
Does the personal insult help your counter-point in some way? If the IPCC speaks of something as very likely, which they define as greater than 90% probability, then if you then report that as a certain outcome - a 100% probability, then you are incorrect and unsupported by the science.
| 188 |
Tom on the rez Tue, Oct 20, 2009 8:43:21pm |
Thanks Naso Tang, but Google & Amazon aren’t my friend. Those who want to change my life, and my kids and grandsons’, need to provide the proof. I’m not buying without proof. If not the original data from the weather stations, then I’ll settle for an audit from a Big Four firm. I’m a conservative democrat, like the majority of this country. The burden of proof rests on those who want to change our government and economy. We won’t budge without a very high level of assurance. If it’s not even good enough for the SEC, then it won’t be sold to Main Street, USA.
We don’t need to do the research. AGW theorists need to present clear, credible evidence. The burden of proof lies on those who put forth this new theory of planetary economic reorganization.
Good night, all. I’ll check back tomorrow and see if anyone can point me directly toward the basis of this theory. If you can’t make a clear case for it, I’ll have to wait until someone else does. i.e.: Show me the temps have been increasing; where, when, and who vouches for the data. Otherwise, I drive my truck and ride my motorsickles without a twinge of conscience.
| 189 |
freetoken Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:00:11pm |
re: #188 Tom on the rez
I’ll check back tomorrow and see if anyone can point me directly toward the basis of this theory.
This shows that you really are just a troll, and one patterned after the creationist trolls.
In nearly every AGW thread somebody, me or LVQ or Charles, etc., post links to sources that detail the history of the science or the current state of the science.
For you to pretend that is not done means you are either (1) lazy, or (2) just a troll.
| 190 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:05:04pm |
re: #189 freetoken
This shows that you really are just a troll, and one patterned after the creationist trolls.
In nearly every AGW thread somebody, me or LVQ or Charles, etc., post links to sources that detail the history of the science or the current state of the science.
For you to pretend that is not done means you are either (1) lazy, or (2) just a troll.
And the amazing thing is that when I just checked “Tom on the rez” for sock puppets, I discovered that he was … wait for it … previously banned after a creationist meltdown, under the name ‘neshobanakni’.
So yes — your intuition about this one was right on the money. Not only was he behaving like a creationist — he IS a creationist. Now banned for the second time.
| 191 |
Shiplord Kirel Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:21:13pm |
re: #188 Tom on the rez
Enough of these charades.
As you have correctly surmised, Tom Sockpuppet, we are in the paid service of the ACORN-Soros cartel and our real purpose is to reduce you and other ordinary folk to the same status and standard of living as medieval peasants, the better to keep your vulgar SUVs and minivans from jostling our Lexi and Maybachen on the highways and to improve our own status to that befitting an intellectual elite. This does not apply to known GOP agitators and radio callers, who are already designated for re-processing at one of the many FEMA camps now being built in the boondocks.
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| 192 |
freetoken Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:29:54pm |
re: #190 Charles
And the amazing thing is that when I just checked “Tom on the rez” for sock puppets, I discovered that he was … wait for it … previously banned after a creationist meltdown, under the name ‘neshobanakni’.
File this one under “weird trivialities”: “neshobanakni” has a Japanese feel to it (though the “kn” combination is not)… and indeed, neshouban (ねしょう ばん）is a Japanese word… it means essentially to “wet one’s bed”!
Well, I guess “Tom on the rez” really did wet his bed this time…
| 193 |
freetoken Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:31:55pm |
re: #192 freetoken
PIMF neshouben is the word for bed-wetting… but it is close.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Oct 20, 2009 9:35:40pm |
re: #192 freetoken
File this one under “weird trivialities”: “neshobanakni” has a Japanese feel to it (though the “kn” combination is not)… and indeed, neshouban (ねしょう ばん）is a Japanese word… it means essentially to “wet one’s bed”!
Well, I guess “Tom on the rez” really did wet his bed this time…
Not just a creationist - also a defender of the Vlaams Belang.
Creationism freakout (combined with the same anti-AGW talking points he tried to float in this thread - and he even signed his new sock puppet name to it):
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Defending the fascist Vlaams Belang:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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