Military Coup in Niger
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Renegade soldiers are staging a military coup in the west African nation of Niger, one of the world’s main sources of uranium.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:33:36pm |
Good friend of mine has a missionary friend there.... he asked for prayers for the folks there last week on my facebook page.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:34:14pm |
This worries me more than Iran's possible nuke programs. Let's hope security around the Uranium mines is as good as it should be.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:37:14pm |
re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops... Nigeria, not Niger. Sorry.
Hello my facebook friends. I am asking for prayers for my friend (name removed for LGF). He is a pastor in Nigeria, a long time friend of mine, and if you don't read the news, Nigeria is in turmoil these days, with the transition from a Muslim president to a Christian one. Such times are often hard for the church there, full of... both peril and opportunity, so I ask for your prayers for him and his church family.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:39:14pm |
Niger has gained notoriety in recent years with a spate of kidnappings in its lawless northern deserts. A low-level rebellion finally calmed last year in the uranium-rich north, where al-Qaida's North Africa branch has claimed responsibility for taking a handful of foreigners hostage, including a Canadian later freed who was the U.N.'s special envoy.
Hmmm...
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lawhawk Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:40:21pm |
Tandja first took power in democratic elections in 1999 that followed an era of coups and rebellions. But instead of stepping down as mandated by law on Dec. 22, he triggered a political crisis by pushing through a new constitution last August that removed term limits and gave him near-totalitarian powers.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:41:40pm |
A quick scan on Niger's wikipedia article indicates that they have political issues from the current president trying various machinations in an attempt to exceed the constitutional term limits of the presidency.
That could be a potential coup generator right there. Hopefully simply to force the election of a new president, and to re-establish a non-democratic military rule.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:41:46pm |
re: #5 lawhawk
Weird, kinda like a little fat dictator I have heard of.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:44:16pm |
re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops... Nigeria, not Niger. Sorry.
Hello my facebook friends. I am asking for prayers for my friend (name removed for LGF). He is a pastor in Nigeria, a long time friend of mine, and if you don't read the news, Nigeria is in turmoil these days, with the transition from a Muslim president to a Christian one. Such times are often hard for the church there, full of... both peril and opportunity, so I ask for your prayers for him and his church family.
Hoops could add that to the prayer list. Want me to forward it to him?
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ryannon Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:44:37pm |
re: #2 darthstar
This worries me more than Iran's possible nuke programs. Let's hope security around the Uranium mines is as good as it should be.
Mmwahahahaha!
Excuse me, DS.
Have you ever spent much time in third-world (er...underdeveloped...financially disadvantaged... whatever) countries? They're a whole different world.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:45:21pm |
Should be interesting to see who supports the coup and those who will want this guy put back in power until they have some clusterfuck special election. Monitored by the UN, of course.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:48:46pm |
I will attempt to get into contact with my friend who is working with Doctors Without Borders there and see if he has any information.
He is probably far too busy being a doctor without a border to respond to me, though.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:49:39pm |
re: #12 Obdicut
I will attempt to get into contact with my friend who is working with Doctors Without Borders there and see if he has any information.
He is probably far too busy being a doctor without a border to respond to me, though.
So where do those doctors shop? Barnes & Noble? Amazon?
/
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:50:36pm |
re: #2 darthstar
This worries me more than Iran's possible nuke programs. Let's hope security around the Uranium mines is as good as it should be.
Unprocessed uranium isn't particularly useful. And as noted several times in the thread downstairs, enriching it to the point where it is takes vast resources; it's not something that can be done in someone's basement.
The only danger I see to this is a disruption of supply to refinement facilities, which will eventually have an impact on electric production in several countries that depend on a steady supply to fuel their generators.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:53:05pm |
OT-sorry so early-idiot caller on my radio called the plane crasher/manifesto guy a patriot.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:53:05pm |
re: #11 MikeySDCA
Uranium is neither particularly rare nor particularly valuable. Resources and reserves
Thanks, but I don't remember discussing that particular point relative to the post I responded to.
By the way, want to buy some plutonium? Cheap this week, and easy to transport.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:55:58pm |
re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar
OT-sorry so early-idiot caller on my radio called the plane crasher/manifesto guy a patriot.
Yeah, there are quite a few people out there who think of this guy as a hero. Very sad.
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Randall Gross Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:56:05pm |
You have to wonder if this is a sponsored coup. I do know that AQ has set sights on Nigeria's destabilization, but that could be more talk than action.
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:56:20pm |
re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar
OT-sorry so early-idiot caller on my radio called the plane crasher/manifesto guy a patriot.
Expect to hear a lot more of that in the coming days. The IRS isn't exactly popular.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:56:45pm |
re: #15 SixDegrees
Unprocessed uranium isn't particularly useful. And as noted several times in the thread downstairs, enriching it to the point where it is takes vast resources; it's not something that can be done in someone's basement.
The only danger I see to this is a disruption of supply to refinement facilities, which will eventually have an impact on electric production in several countries that depend on a steady supply to fuel their generators.
True, but never underestimate the ignorance of the general public, and the fear that someone claiming to have a dirty bomb (even if it's no more dangerous than an X-ray at the dentist's) could spread. Half of middle America would be in a total panic.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:56:53pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
Expect to hear a lot more of that in the coming days. The IRS isn't exactly popular.
I like them. This year.
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Randall Gross Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:57:04pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
Expect to hear a lot more of that in the coming days. The IRS isn't exactly popular.
Especially the nearer you get to April 15th.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:57:29pm |
re: #20 SixDegrees
Expect to hear a lot more of that in the coming days. The IRS isn't exactly popular.
Asshole has half a dozen fan-pages on facebook so far.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:57:39pm |
re: #16 Cannadian Club Akbar
From a Paulian forum....
No-one who works for the IRS is innocent. That doesn't mean they should have died, or been injured, but I won't be crying for them.Political power flows from the barrel of a gun. I just wish he hadn't killed himself.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:58:37pm |
re: #21 darthstar
True, but never underestimate the ignorance of the general public, and the fear that someone claiming to have a dirty bomb (even if it's no more dangerous than an X-ray at the dentist's) could spread. Half of middle America would be in a total panic.
Is middle America less educated about Uranium than other parts of the country?
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:59:08pm |
Good Grief, a pilot has flown a small airplane into an office building.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 18, 2010 1:59:39pm |
re: #8 reine.de.tout
Gosh, we just need to keep that Continent in our prayers and thoughts...
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:00:13pm |
He was mad at the Feds apparently, anyone heard from Steve today?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:01:03pm |
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:01:18pm |
re: #30 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
There was one earlier? This is in Texas.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:01:49pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
There's an interesting bit of schism going on. Some rightie sites like FR have taken he's an anti-christian communist therefore left wing terrorist line (in a few threads) and others are taking the he's a true patriot type line.
At least that's what was being posted when I looked a while ago.
Haven't looked at leftier ones yet.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:01:52pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:02:43pm |
FWIW, a glass installer was at the plane crash site. He grabbed his extention ladder and started getting people out from the 2nd floor. Good for him.
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:03:18pm |
re: #21 darthstar
True, but never underestimate the ignorance of the general public, and the fear that someone claiming to have a dirty bomb (even if it's no more dangerous than an X-ray at the dentist's) could spread. Half of middle America would be in a total panic.
It wouldn't even be that dangerous prior to enrichment. I used to collect rocks, and had several chunks of uranium ore; the radioactivity was just barely detectable with a Geiger counter.
And the extremely popular Vaseline Glass from the 1920s and 30s, which glows bright green under a UV light, uses uranium oxide as it's pigment. Nowadays, uranium oxide is available from depleted uranium, but when this stuff was being made it was derived from unprocessed ore at normal levels of radioactivity. Huge studies in England and the US, where tens of millions of pieces were produced, have never found any associated health risk, even among those who handled the awesomely safe burlap sacks the stuff used to be shipped in, on a daily basis.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:03:51pm |
re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Good friend of mine has a missionary friend there... he asked for prayers for the folks there last week on my facebook page.
Done.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:04:05pm |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow. Quick thinking and heroic. Good for him!
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:04:09pm |
re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar
FWIW, a glass installer was at the plane crash site. He grabbed his extention ladder and started getting people out from the 2nd floor. Good for him.
Heroism is worth a great deal.
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:04:10pm |
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Moody leo Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:04:16pm |
I had to look too, because I automatically thought Nigeria. But I will pray for all the people over there.
But I remember when one of my great aunts was in Nigeria during one of the coups in the 60's Great Uncle worked for one of those oil exploration Co's. Great Aunt might not have gotten out if she didn't have her pit bull with her, good ole sissy.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:04:49pm |
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:04:51pm |
re: #31 Cannadian Club Akbar
He needs to peddle faster.
Or piddle...there are drugs to help with that.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:05:40pm |
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:05:46pm |
re: #44 darthstar
I'm all for petal power. But then I was a flower child when I was little.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:06:18pm |
I can't imagine living in a nation where the military can turn on it's government and walk into the capitol to overthrow it.
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recusancy Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:06:52pm |
re: #33 Jadespring
There's an interesting bit of schism going on. Some rightie sites like FR have taken he's an anti-christian communist therefore left wing terrorist line (in a few threads) and others are taking the he's a true patriot type line.
At least that's what was being posted when I looked a while ago.
Haven't looked at leftier ones yet.
It gets obnoxious when everyone always has to take a line on everything that ever happens. Where's the dispassionate wait-and-see'rs?
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:07:20pm |
re: #47 TampaKnight
That tells you just how unique our history really is. And for that I'm extremely grateful.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:07:21pm |
re: #24 darthstar
Asshole has half a dozen fan-pages on facebook so far.
There's also a Joe Stark who is a porno movie star, so maybe some of the fan pages are for him.
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:07:48pm |
re: #48 recusancy
It gets obnoxious when everyone always has to take a line on everything that ever happens. Where's the dispassionate wait-and-see'rs?
Going the way of the do-do?
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:07:51pm |
re: #45 Mad Al-Jaffee
Oh, piffle!
My mother-in-law gave me a "PIFFLE!" sweatshirt for xmas a few years ago...I still wear it.
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The Sanity Inspector Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:08:25pm |
re: #3 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oops... Nigeria, not Niger. Sorry.
Hello my facebook friends. I am asking for prayers for my friend (name removed for LGF). He is a pastor in Nigeria, a long time friend of mine, and if you don't read the news, Nigeria is in turmoil these days, with the transition from a Muslim president to a Christian one. Such times are often hard for the church there, full of... both peril and opportunity, so I ask for your prayers for him and his church family.
Done, anyway.
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Feline Fearless Leader Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:08:31pm |
re: #47 TampaKnight
I can't imagine living in a nation where the military can turn on it's government and walk into the capitol to overthrow it.
I remember an old joke I saw in Mad Magazine once.
The Earth goes around the sun at the rate of one revolution per year. Except in Central America where the rate is much higher.
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MrSilverDragon Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:08:56pm |
Lets hope there's some better news tomorrow.
Y'all have a good night, I'm going home.
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:09:00pm |
re: #50 Alouette
There's also a Joe Stark who is a porno movie star, so maybe some of the fan pages are for him.
Joe Stack, not Stark. And with images of the still-burning federal building in Austin for the profile, I don't think they're interested in the cinema.
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oldegeezr Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:09:02pm |
re: #2 darthstar
“…This worries me more than Iran's possible nuke programs. Let's hope security around the Uranium mines is as good as it should be.”
Not to worry... “yellow cake” has to be literally transported, usually hundreds or thousands of miles by train or by the "boat load" to a sophisticated processing and refinement facility before it’s a hazard to anyone; except for the very poor, very drunk miner, that falls asleep on top of the pile of "yellow cake" ore...!
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:09:57pm |
re: #57 oldegeezr
Not to worry... “yellow cake” has to be literally transported, usually hundreds or thousands of miles by train or by the "boat load" to a sophisticated processing and refinement facility before it’s a hazard to anyone; except for the very poor, very drunk miner, that falls asleep on top of the pile of "yellow cake" ore...!
And yet it still qualified as a trumped-up reason for invading Iraq?
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:10:13pm |
re: #46 Irenicum
I'm all for petal power. But then I was a flower child when I was little.
Hmmph... I'll go back to candles and smoke signals before I create any petal power.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:10:28pm |
119 fans for "the philosophy of Joe Stack." What the hell is wrong with people?
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darthstar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:10:43pm |
re: #47 TampaKnight
I can't imagine living in a nation where the military can turn on it's government and walk into the capitol to overthrow it.
You haven't been listening to Glenn Beck then...that's good.
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Randall Gross Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:10:46pm |
re: #48 recusancy
It gets obnoxious when everyone always has to take a line on everything that ever happens. Where's the dispassionate wait-and-see'rs?
If I had to make a wild assed guess it would be Freeman movement or associated groups on this guy.
[Link: www.adl.org...]
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:11:13pm |
re: #56 darthstar
Either way this asshole seems to be giving certain crazies a boner.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:11:25pm |
re: #60 HappyWarrior
119 fans for "the philosophy of Joe Stack." What the hell is wrong with people?
Lotsa crazy out there.
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drcordell Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:11:35pm |
re: #63 Irenicum
Either way this asshole seems to be giving certain crazies a boner.
That's what she said.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:12:51pm |
Something I just read that I honestly didn't know before- McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts. Hmm, that down-dings him in my book (I think he just genuinely disliked Bush then).
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Slap Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:12:56pm |
re: #48 recusancy
I'm thinking there's not much more to wait and see. His "manifesto" brands him as under-intelligent and over-inflated -- no qualms about describing his own STUPID behavior and choices, or about blaming everything except his choices. Someone in an earlier thread called it narcissism. The guy was pure whack, pissed that he got nailed for his stupidity, can't see why everybody else doesn't get it, resents successful people, government, and (I'm extrapolating here) air. His screed is littered with incoherent fragments of barely-intelligible drivel that illustrate his was a seriously fractured psyche that never once considered his culpability in his life.
The universe did well to limit the damage he wanted to do. Good riddance.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:14:17pm |
I wonder how many of these FB fan pages for this nut in Austin are also fans of burning your house down with your wife and kid still in it? What numbnuts.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:14:39pm |
World Nut Daily (not The Onion): Is this incredible thing in heavens a sign from God?
While scientists don't think it's a comet, they're not exactly sure of the precise origin of the incredible object soaring some 90 million miles from Earth, snapped just a few weeks ago by the Hubble Space Telescope.
"I've seen thousands of astronomical images over my career, but this is one of the few absolute jaw-droppers: A flying X-pattern with trailing streamers," said Ray Villard, a contributing writer to Discovery News. "Whatever it is, nothing quite like it has ever before been seen in the heavens."
....
The discovery of the object, officially known as "P/2010 A2," is sparking some chatter concerning a possible biblical message regarding end-time scenarios, as well as other theories.In the New Testament, Jesus Christ predicted celestial signs concerning the end of this current age and His return to Earth to establish the kingdom of God.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:15:25pm |
re: #67 Slap
I'm thinking there's not much more to wait and see. His "manifesto" brands him as under-intelligent and over-inflated -- no qualms about describing his own STUPID behavior and choices, or about blaming everything except his choices. Someone in an earlier thread called it narcissism. The guy was pure whack, pissed that he got nailed for his stupidity, can't see why everybody else doesn't get it, resents successful people, government, and (I'm extrapolating here) air. His screed is littered with incoherent fragments of barely-intelligible drivel that illustrate his was a seriously fractured psyche that never once considered his culpability in his life.
The universe did well to limit the damage he wanted to do. Good riddance.
I surely did.
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recusancy Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:15:26pm |
re: #67 Slap
I'm thinking there's not much more to wait and see. His "manifesto" brands him as under-intelligent and over-inflated -- no qualms about describing his own STUPID behavior and choices, or about blaming everything except his choices. Someone in an earlier thread called it narcissism. The guy was pure whack, pissed that he got nailed for his stupidity, can't see why everybody else doesn't get it, resents successful people, government, and (I'm extrapolating here) air. His screed is littered with incoherent fragments of barely-intelligible drivel that illustrate his was a seriously fractured psyche that never once considered his culpability in his life.
The universe did well to limit the damage he wanted to do. Good riddance.
Ooops.. I mis read the post I was replying to. I thought it was about the Niger coup.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:15:29pm |
re: #57 oldegeezr
Not to worry... “yellow cake” has to be literally transported, usually hundreds or thousands of miles by train or by the "boat load" to a sophisticated processing and refinement facility before it’s a hazard to anyone; except for the very poor, very drunk miner, that falls asleep on top of the pile of "yellow cake" ore...!
"Yellow Cake" always makes me think of the Dave Chappelle "Black George Bush" sketch.
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drcordell Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:15:59pm |
re: #73 Mad Al-Jaffee
"Yellow Cake" always makes me think of the Dave Chappelle "Black George Bush" sketch.
Hahahaha classic. You want yellow cake? I got some yellow cake right here.
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recusancy Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:16:22pm |
re: #48 recusancy
It gets obnoxious when everyone always has to take a line on everything that ever happens. Where's the dispassionate wait-and-see'rs?
Disregard this. I thought people were taking a line on the Niger coup.
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Obdicut Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:16:27pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Wow, if they think that's amazing, wait until they find out about the awesome galaxy Jesus is hanging out in these days.
[Link: hubblesite.org...]
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oldegeezr Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:17:10pm |
re: #58 darthstar
Beejeebus...DS!
Yer tryin'... yer damn best to get me in trouble...!
Like my college roomie... "I betcha, yah can't pull that "No Parking" sign out of the ground...?
Gimme a break...already...!
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Slap Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:17:30pm |
re: #71 MandyManners
Thank you. I was hoping that someone could provide proper attribution. It was a perfect observation.
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:04pm |
re: #58 darthstar
And yet it still qualified as a trumped-up reason for invading Iraq?
Absolutely, even chocolate cake was enough reason get rid if that evil tyrant.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:08pm |
Looked at the CNN article on this story and the comments. There too I see people sympathizing with the guy. I'm sorry if the guy had his troubles with the IRS. Hell, we've all had problems with some bureaucracy whether it be government, school, or whatever at one point in our lives but the right thing to do is not targeting people just doing their jobs and with loved ones. Contrary to what radical anti government people believe, government employees aren't some heartless and mindless drones who don't have family or loved ones. It will be a sad day if Stack becomes a folk hero to anti government people or anyone for that matter.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:09pm |
re: #76 Obdicut
Wow, if they think that's amazing, wait until they find out about the awesome galaxy Jesus is hanging out in these days.
[Link: hubblesite.org...]
spaceJesus is coming!!!
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:27pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Fools, that's my deaths....whoops, said too much.
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MandyManners Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:36pm |
re: #78 Slap
Thank you. I was hoping that someone could provide proper attribution. It was a perfect observation.
Thanks!
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Killgore Trout Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:36pm |
re: #76 Obdicut
Wow, if they think that's amazing, wait until they find out about the awesome galaxy Jesus is hanging out in these days.
[Link: hubblesite.org...]
Ha!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:39pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
World Nut Daily (not The Onion): Is this incredible thing in heavens a sign from God?
Could be the end of the world, I guess. Repent.
Here's the big NASA image of the weird object:
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:18:44pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
World Nut Daily (not The Onion): Is this incredible thing in heavens a sign from God?
No it's the cylons chasing the colonial fleet. I sure hope the colonials deal with them or we're really screwed.
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SixDegrees Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:20:41pm |
re: #85 Charles
Could be the end of the world, I guess. Repent.
Here's the big NASA image of the weird object:
[Link: www.nasa.gov...]
Looks like a comet that's begun falling apart.
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:21:16pm |
re: #69 drcordell
really? that really deserves a down-ding?
Since you called attention to it now, yes.
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recusancy Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:21:27pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:21:48pm |
Glenn Beck just said the only person during the Revolution that reminds him of himself was.. Thomas Paine..
I shit you not...
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:22:05pm |
re: #89 SixDegrees
Looks like a comet that's begun falling apart.
I got a bad feeling about this one...
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:22:18pm |
re: #92 Irenicum
Yep, definitely the Romulans are coming.
No, Romulans would never call attention to themselves.
;)
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Jack Burton Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:22:33pm |
re: #85 Charles
Could be the end of the world, I guess. Repent.
Here's the big NASA image of the weird object:
[Link: www.nasa.gov...]
Looks like a Gunstar. I hope he remembers that "Death Blossom" is a weapon of last resort.
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:22:41pm |
re: #93 HoosierHoops
So Beck's admitting to being an atheist? Wow.
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Bagua Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:22:56pm |
re: #92 Irenicum
Yep, definitely the Romulans are coming.
Don't be ridiculous... it's the Transformers.
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Mad Al-Jaffee Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:23:02pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:23:03pm |
re: #80 HappyWarrior
Looked at the CNN article on this story and the comments. There too I see people sympathizing with the guy. I'm sorry if the guy had his troubles with the IRS. Hell, we've all had problems with some bureaucracy whether it be government, school, or whatever at one point in our lives but the right thing to do is not targeting people just doing their jobs and with loved ones. Contrary to what radical anti government people believe, government employees aren't some heartless and mindless drones who don't have family or loved ones. It will be a sad day if Stack becomes a folk hero to anti government people or anyone for that matter.
This is the danger behind the politics of victimhood.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:23:29pm |
re: #93 HoosierHoops
Glenn Beck just said the only person during the Revolution that reminds him of himself was.. Thomas Paine..
I shit you not...
Hahahaha, that Glenn he's so humble. And I wonder what he would think if he found Paine was not just anti religion but an atheist at that too.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:23:39pm |
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Kragar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:24:28pm |
re: #92 Irenicum
Yep, definitely the Romulans are coming.
I'm going with the gunstar theory and firing up my old space combat simulators to get ready.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:24:40pm |
re: #93 HoosierHoops
Glenn Beck just said the only person during the Revolution that reminds him of himself was.. Thomas Paine..
I shit you not...
Tom Paine cried incessantly, and tried to suggest that George Washington was in league with the Hessians?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:24:42pm |
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:25:16pm |
re: #106 Cannadian Club Akbar
Who's correct here?
I might be wrong, but he spoke out against religion but was a deist. I believe The Age of Reason established these points.
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Slap Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:25:46pm |
re: #105 SanFranciscoZionist
No, but he did several schooner-side billboards advertising the king's gold....
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oldegeezr Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:26:05pm |
re: #100 Mad Al-Jaffee
I luv "the cut of yer jib"...!
I also respect it...!
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:26:26pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
World Nut Daily (not The Onion): Is this incredible thing in heavens a sign from God?
Oh an another thing. I'm guessing science and scientists are okay when they create the tools to be able to see this prophetic Biblical sign?
I know might be too much but considering some of the sites that are cooing about this right now there is just a wee bit of irony at play.
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Jack Burton Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:26:38pm |
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Olsonist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:26:49pm |
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:27:16pm |
re: #103 TampaKnight
Paine wasn't an atheist.
He was definitely not a believer in organized religion.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:27:42pm |
re: #107 TampaKnight
I might be wrong, but he spoke out against religion but was a deist. I believe The Age of Reason established these points.
Someone here posted an article or something that had all the beliefs of the founders and the such.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:28:04pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
He was definitely not a believer in organized religion.
No, but that's NOT atheism.
Paine clearly stated his belief in God, he was a deist.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:28:33pm |
I think Paine was a deist so I apologize for that error. My point is of course that Beck to consider himself like Paine is laughable but then again arguably it is laughable for anyone to compare themselves to a founding father.
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Jack Burton Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:29:05pm |
re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar
Someone here posted an article or something that had all the beliefs of the founders and the such.
Thomas Paine was practically the "Poster Boy" for American Deism during his time, much more so than any of the other Founding Fathers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:29:32pm |
re: #116 TampaKnight
No, but that's NOT atheism.
Paine clearly stated his belief in God, he was a deist.
Have you a quote or source for that? It seems perfectly reasonable to me, but all the quotes I know of his are slagging on organized religion, I wasn't aware he'd expressed any particular beliefs.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:30:00pm |
re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist
Have you a quote or source for that? It seems perfectly reasonable to me, but all the quotes I know of his are slagging on organized religion, I wasn't aware he'd expressed any particular beliefs.
Dude, he wrote an entire book on it....this is the premise for The Age of Reason.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:30:23pm |
re: #85 Charles
Could be the end of the world, I guess. Repent.
Here's the big NASA image of the weird object:
[Link: www.nasa.gov...]
Screw it. I'm rooting for the aliens/asteroid.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:30:35pm |
re: #104 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'm going with the gunstar theory and firing up my old space combat simulators to get ready.
They are one Art Bell Radio show away from drinking purple Kool-ade, putting on plastic bag over there Heads and dying in their new Nike Tennis shoes
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:30:59pm |
re: #122 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Screw it. I'm rooting for the aliens/asteroid.
Good choice. You'll be a valued ally once we have taken over.
;)
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drcordell Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:31:00pm |
re: #116 TampaKnight
No, but that's NOT atheism.
Paine clearly stated his belief in God, he was a deist.
Deism is certainly much, much closer to atheism than any monotheistic modern religion.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:31:41pm |
re: #121 TampaKnight
Dude, he wrote an entire book on it...this is the premise for The Age of Reason.
Thanks, I'll look at that. Never read past Common Sense.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:32:22pm |
re: #126 drcordell
Deism is certainly much, much closer to atheism than any monotheistic modern religion.
Closer only in the sense that they dislike organized religion.
The whole belief in God thing gets in the way of your argument, though.
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recusancy Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:34:03pm |
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shiplord kirel Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:34:17pm |
re: #110 Jadespring
Oh an another thing. I'm guessing science and scientists are okay when they create the tools to be able to see this prophetic Biblical sign?
I know might be too much but considering some of the sites that are cooing about this right now there is just a wee bit of irony at play.
Phil Plait has been on the case for a couple of weeks now. His verdict: asteroid collision.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:34:26pm |
re: #116 TampaKnight
No, but that's NOT atheism.
Paine clearly stated his belief in God, he was a deist.
The simple difference is that between a god that listens to you and one that doesn't.
To most fundamentalists that is little different from atheism.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:35:23pm |
re: #132 Naso Tang
The simple difference is that between a god that listens to you and one that doesn't.
To most fundamentalists that is little different from atheism.
Well, I'm not a fundamentalist.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:36:15pm |
re: #125 Varek Raith
Good choice. You'll be a valued ally once we have taken over.
Dude, you don't know how much I would suck up to Zod.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:36:16pm |
re: #133 TampaKnight
Well, I'm not a fundamentalist.
Didn't say you were, but you seem to gloss over the difference between deist and theist.
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:36:19pm |
"I've come to hate my own creation! Now I know how God feels."
-Homer Simpson
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:37:34pm |
re: #126 drcordell
Deism is certainly much, much closer to atheism than any monotheistic modern religion.
and today we agree. Will wonders never cease...
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:37:54pm |
I do find it odd in either case that Beck would so identify himself with Paine, considering Paine's absolutely hatred of all organized religion. What do his Mormon elders think of this?
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:39:03pm |
re: #138 Irenicum
I do find it odd in either case that Beck would so identify himself with Paine, considering Paine's absolutely hatred of all organized religion. What do his Mormon elders think of this?
Simple, Beck doesn't believe Paine was a Deist. He's got an incredibly distorted view of the Founding Fathers....
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:39:18pm |
re: #131 shiplord kirel
Phil Plait has been on the case for a couple of weeks now. His verdict: asteroid collision.
My favorite Scientist!
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:39:49pm |
re: #139 Varek Raith
Good point, not to mention an incredibly distorted view of just about everything else.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:40:25pm |
re: #138 Irenicum
I do find it odd in either case that Beck would so identify himself with Paine, considering Paine's absolutely hatred of all organized religion. What do his Mormon elders think of this?
Cognitive dissonance. It's hardly as if Mormon Elders have been immune.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:41:14pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:41:36pm |
re: #138 Irenicum
I do find it odd in either case that Beck would so identify himself with Paine, considering Paine's absolutely hatred of all organized religion. What do his Mormon elders think of this?
No in Context...He was comparing himself politically to Paine.. The great voice of reason crying out in his time..
Jeez...
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:42:07pm |
re: #143 ryannon
Same as the old ones.
Except, we have mind boggling technology and psionic abilities.
:)
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cliffster Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:43:09pm |
re: #144 HoosierHoops
No in Context...He was comparing himself politically to Paine.. The great voice of reason crying out in his time..
Jeez...
How about Paul Revere? The Socialists are coming! The Socialists are coming!
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oldegeezr Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:43:34pm |
re: #91 recusancy
Now I can spot a “rabble rouser” every darn time he or she appears it the milling, chaotic, crowd of reactionary, humanity…and you “recusancy” are a gosh damn “rabble rouser”…!
They actually kicked my sorry, boney, arse; out of a dorm for “rabble rousing”…believe it!
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Jadespring Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:43:41pm |
re: #138 Irenicum
I do find it odd in either case that Beck would so identify himself with Paine, considering Paine's absolutely hatred of all organized religion. What do his Mormon elders think of this?
Cherry picking, willful denial, or no serious looksee into all of what the philosophy of the person was about. Similar to avowed relgious folk that idolize Rand or leftie pacifists who wear Che shirts.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:44:04pm |
re: #145 Varek Raith
Except, we have mind boggling technology and psionic abilities.
:)
How's your credit rating?
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:45:04pm |
re: #144 HoosierHoops
No in Context...He was comparing himself politically to Paine.. The great voice of reason crying out in his time..
Jeez...
So, if Hitchens, and I think of him as pretty conservative, shared some political views with Glenn, could we expect to have him quoted?
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ryannon Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:45:29pm |
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:45:55pm |
We really need a highlight youtube video of all of Beck's breakdowns..Tears, Insane freak-outs..Stupid declarations.. I bet it would get a million hits...
Then at the end we could post his trademark sign off to commercial..
'America..Follow me'
Million hits
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:46:17pm |
re: #153 ryannon
Yeah, me too. I love that it includes Keith Moon!
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Varek Raith Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:46:18pm |
re: #150 ryannon
How's your credit rating?
My personal credit rating took a beating from the used scout ship I bought. Though, my governments credit rating is excellent.
;)
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Olsonist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:46:41pm |
re: #151 Naso Tang
Hitchens is conservative? This would be news to him.
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TampaKnight Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:47:00pm |
re: #157 Olsonist
Hitchens is conservative? This would be news to him.
Haha...I was just thinking the same thing.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:48:25pm |
re: #157 Olsonist
Hitchens is conservative? This would be news to him.
I can't say I have analyzed that aspect in any detail, but it is my impression. Please do educate me if you wish.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:49:42pm |
re: #151 Naso Tang
So, if Hitchens, and I think of him as pretty conservative, shared some political views with Glenn, could we expect to have him quoted?
I'm not sure of the question nor how to answer..
Could this one be a multiple choice question?
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Silvergirl Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:50:05pm |
re: #116 TampaKnight
No, but that's NOT atheism.
Paine clearly stated his belief in God, he was a deist.
Yes. He wasn't a Christian and he railed against the Bible as scripture, but he said, "I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life."
Paine was one of the founders and most active members of the Society of Theophilanthropists (lovers of God and man,) which existed in Paris during and after the French Revolution. Upon their altars was this inscription:
"We believe in the existence of a God, and in the immortality of the soul."
The "Age of Reason," instead of being an Atheistic work, as popularly supposed, was written to oppose Atheism. In a letter to Samuel Adams, Paine says: "The people of France were running headlong into Atheism, and I had the work translated into their own language, to stop them in that career, and fix them in the first article of every man's creed, who has any creed at all -- I believe in God."
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:50:05pm |
Ya know, the more I listen to this song, the more I realize how timeless it is.
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lostlakehiker Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:51:05pm |
African government is lamentable. There are no enduring exceptions. From time to time, there are new model governments, suggesting hope for the future. And by and by, as the wheel of time spins, those nations lapse into the same turbulence and misrule that has been the rule.
Ghana is going this route; today's Wall Street Journal gives details. Niger wasn't any model before the coup, and now things are worse yet.
A poor nation is better off being just plain poor, like, say, Bangladesh, than it is being poor but with valuable national resources, like, say, Niger. The money from sale of those resources fuels competition for posts in the government, and funds armies that cannot make war against other armies but can despoil their own civilians with impunity. It's a curse.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:51:36pm |
The odd thing really isn't so much Paine being near Glenn's total opposite on religious issues it's that Tom Paine was a radical of his day. You know the same thing that Beck says Obama is and how that's bad. The great thing about history I think is often someone seen as a radical in their lifetime gains mainstream status after they die. I mean there were many who saw MLK as a Communist subversive in the 60's and yet today he is mostly revered. Same thing with Lincoln arguably who was seen as a radical. Guess the saying is kinda true how yesterday's liberals become today's conservatives or something like that.
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Olsonist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:53:03pm |
re: #159 Naso Tang
I can't say I have analyzed that aspect in any detail, but it is my impression. Please do educate me if you wish.
Politically, he's about half way between the Socialists and the Marxists. He didn't like Saddam but then he never liked Saddam. Ever.
Ever.
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ryannon Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:53:39pm |
re: #162 Irenicum
Ya know, the more I listen to this song, the more I realize how timeless it is.
[Video]
I saw the New York premiere of "Tommy" at the Fillmore East back when he was still alive.
Timeless or not, tempus fugit.
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A Man for all Seasons Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:53:43pm |
re: #162 Irenicum
Ya know, the more I listen to this song, the more I realize how timeless it is.
[Video]
Magic Bus!
Knew a guy in school that had a Van with Magic Bus painted on the back of it.. He got caught by the cops for pot.. Painted a T on the back
Magic Bust
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:54:33pm |
re: #166 ryannon
I saw the play Tommy in NYC years ago. Best show ever.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:55:51pm |
Speaking of Hitchens, he has a nice new article about Amnesty International and how they've deviated from their original mission. Apparently they fired one of their top members who criticized them for having a Taliban apologist or maybe even a full pledged member. I like a lot of what AI stands for being a small letter democrat first and foremost but you can't have Taliban apologists or members.
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Slap Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:56:00pm |
re: #167 HoosierHoops
And to finish my day, a partial quote from a Shel Silverstein album:
"....and Officer Jones, doin' jus' what he must,
stuck his gun in her chest and said, 'this is a bust'"
(running while ducking....)
Later on, folks....
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Irenicum Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:56:30pm |
re: #167 HoosierHoops
That's like putting a Deadhead sticker on your bumper. Guaranteed to get you pulled over.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 2:57:45pm |
re: #160 HoosierHoops
I'm not sure of the question nor how to answer..
Could this one be a multiple choice question?
It was a rhetorical question I think and I only expected an answer from Glenn Beck...
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 3:02:02pm |
re: #165 Olsonist
Politically, he's about half way between the Socialists and the Marxists. He didn't like Saddam but then he never liked Saddam. Ever.
Ever.
Really? The Saddam point is very nice of you. He didn't like Clinton either as I recall; but of course when I say conservative, I am not confusing that with Right Wing.
In any case, my original point was only a dig at how shallow Glenn Beck can be with blackboard diagrams and all; not an attempt to dissect the politics of Hitchens.
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Olsonist Thu, Feb 18, 2010 3:12:34pm |
re: #173 Naso Tang
"I'm not any kind of conservative" Christopher Hitchens.
Remember, there were those of us on the left who hated Saddam from the start and we hated Rumsfeld, Cheney and Reagan for aiding him. Saddam was a Bush ally until he overplayed his hand and invaded Kuwait. You can't blame Saddam on the left and you can't call Hitchens conservative.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Feb 18, 2010 3:26:44pm |
re: #174 Olsonist
OK. I will bow to your correction. I suppose I listen mostly to his conservatism on religion.
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