Teabonics Sign of the Day
Teabonics really does seem to be mutating into a separate dialect of English.
Teabonics really does seem to be mutating into a separate dialect of English.
1 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:30:18am |
I don’t get it. The person wants no races, or nothing to do with another race? WTF?!
2 | webevintage Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:30:18am |
Protest signs that fit on your twitter feed and take me 2 min to prcess=major fail.
I am assuming what he is saying is:
I would hate everything Obama is doing even if he was white.
Right?
3 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:30:21am |
Actually Charles I rate this a profound “MEH” unlike yesterday’s it’s perfectly coherent as long as you’ve spent enough time chatting.
U CAN’T HAZ R GUNZ & CHEEZEBURGERS!
4 | jaunte Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:31:05am |
I was watching the Fox morning news a couple of days ago, saw them broadcast an image of a sign decrying ‘Socilists’… no comment from the hosts.
I guess it’s considered more authentic if a few spelling errors creep in.
5 | webevintage Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:31:12am |
re: #3 jamesfirecat
U CAN’T HAZ R GUNZ & CHEEZEBURGERS!
THAT would be an awesome sign.
Needs a kittah though…
6 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:32:01am |
re: #4 jaunte
There do seem to be more than a few spelling challenged folks out there.
7 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:32:06am |
re: #1 pingjockey
I don’t get it. The person wants no races, or nothing to do with another race? WTF?!
Wow really?
“If Nobama (Obama) was white I’d still dislike (him) nut’in (nothing) 2 (to) do w/ (with) (his) race.
9 | jaunte Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:34:19am |
re: #6 pingjockey
Some entrepreneur should be able to make a few dollars running seminars on how to plan and execute a good protest sign.
10 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:34:28am |
The real question is, would you dislike him if he were doing exactly what he is/has been doing, but instead was a Republican? Would you dislike him if the media you follow weren’t demonising him in a manner that ranges from the ridiculous to borderline seditious?
I wonder.
11 | Mark Pennington Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:34:29am |
That sign is pink…obviously a Code Pink infiltrator! //
12 | Stanley Sea Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:36:07am |
re: #2 webevintage
You are right! It’s a twitter sign.
Love how the w/ isn’t moved to the line below. Design by twitter.
13 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:36:11am |
re: #7 jamesfirecat
Crap, went and reread. Thanks. It’s still a crappy sign.
14 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:37:13am |
re: #10 Renaissance_Man
Yes! GWB and his spending pissed me off too.
15 | Summer Seale Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:37:43am |
After reading the last entry and this one, I really feel as if these Tea Partiers are simply rational, thoughtful, intelligent, and engaging people who are merely trying to express their dissatisfaction with the current political state of affairs in a meaningful and erudite way….
I’m almost positive that all of these signs and extremists are not the norm and, should you attend an actual Tea Party rally, you’d probably be discussing and debating with others who are in the midst of reciting Shakespeare, Voltaire, Moliere, and other literary giants as easily as they delightfully regale you with the history of politics from Plato to Fukuyama.
Right?
16 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:39:14am |
re: #13 pingjockey
Crap, went and reread. Thanks. It’s still a crappy sign.
I think it’s foolish to write a sign in such a manner but compared to “legalize the constition” this one has a clear point to be made an actually gets the message across in a way your average college student can understand.
18 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:40:28am |
re: #16 jamesfirecat
Got ya! I have never done twitter and very rarely text. My cell phone is for work.
19 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:41:12am |
re: #16 jamesfirecat
Though the point itself is weirdly defensive and pointless. He might as well just carry a sign saying, “I’m not a racist.” Or, in l337, “1m n0 A R4[157.”
20 | Summer Seale Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:42:03am |
re: #18 pingjockey
I tweet all the time. /summerseale on twitter. =)
21 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:43:04am |
re: #17 JasonA
I weep for our beloved language. :(
OMG I red that sign a thot teh saem thing 2, lol
/
22 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:43:15am |
re: #19 Obdicut
Though the point itself is weirdly defensive and pointless. He might as well just carry a sign saying, “I’m not a racist.” Or, in l337, “1m n0 A R4[157.”
It is a strange thing to waste your signage on, isn’t it? “I’d hate him if he were white,” doesn’t tell us a damn thing about why he hates him.
24 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:43:33am |
25 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:43:42am |
re: #18 pingjockey
Got ya! I have never done twitter and very rarely text. My cell phone is for work.
I just read a lot of LOLCats, that plus my ADHD and my frequent reliance on spell checkers has given me a very lenient approach to spelling.
26 | Capitalist Tool Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:43:57am |
All I know is, when I made out that check yesterday, somehow I relaxed when I filled in “United States Treasury”… felt better than making it to the IRS.
28 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:45:15am |
29 | jaunte Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:45:36am |
re: #19 Obdicut
Based on a brief listen to drive time conservative radio this morning, “I am not a racist, I am in principle opposed to (insert appropriate Obama policy)” is the new message coming from Tea Party activists.
30 | Summer Seale Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:46:13am |
re: #23 pingjockey
you should follow me! =)
31 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:46:50am |
re: #29 jaunte
“I’m not a racist, but this sure is some nice weather we’re having!”
32 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:46:58am |
re: #25 jamesfirecat
Sound like my better half! she is always hollering at me “how do you spell…. I’m a walking dictionary.
33 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:47:45am |
34 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:48:07am |
re: #30 Summer
Well if I knew what a twitter and a tweet were, other than bird calls, I would!
35 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:48:29am |
re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
my mad 1337 haxxorz skillz > ur l@m3 haxxorz skillz
I’m not a racist but I don’t like you.
//
36 | Interesting Times Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:48:41am |
re: #17 JasonA
I weep for our beloved language. :(
The protester in this photo knows exactly what should be done about it.
37 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:49:29am |
re: #36 publicityStunted
The protester in this photo knows exactly what should be done about it.
Offical, eh?
38 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:50:05am |
re: #35 JasonA
I’m not a racist but I don’t like you.
//
Allow me a rebuttal, in which I respond by ignoring your statement and instead posting the final fight scene from Foolie Coolie.
39 | pingjockey Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:50:43am |
re: #36 publicityStunted
Oh fer…
Fellow lizards, this kind of abuse must stop. If you know someone taking signage to a protest, concert, game, do them a favor and spell check their sign!
40 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:51:10am |
re: #10 Renaissance_Man
The real question is, would you dislike him if he were doing exactly what he is/has been doing, but instead was a Republican? Would you dislike him if the media you follow weren’t demonising him in a manner that ranges from the ridiculous to borderline seditious?
I wonder.
Ummm…a Republican wouldn’t do many—if not most—of the things he’s done and has promised he’ll do.
41 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:51:11am |
re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Allow me a rebuttal, in which I respond by ignoring your statement and instead posting the final fight scene from Foolie Coolie.
[Video]
Does hating Anime make me a racist? I honestly really kinda don’t like Japanese Animation.
45 | subsailor68 Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:52:58am |
re: #36 publicityStunted
The protester in this photo knows exactly what should be done about it.
That’s one of the most ironic signs I’ve ever seen. I wonder what happened when this person opened the Houston Chronicle the next morning? “Hey look! Got my picture in the paper! Oops…aw crap!”
46 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:53:17am |
re: #40 MandyManners
Ummm…a Republican wouldn’t do many—if not most—of the things he’s done and has promised he’ll do.
Yeah a Republican wouldn’t cut taxes for 95% of the people in America, a republican wouldn’t increase the defense budget, a Republican wouldn’t try and give people healthcare (Medicare part D) a republican wouldn’t expand offshore drilling….
47 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:53:29am |
re: #41 JasonA
Does hating Anime make me a racist? I honestly really kinda don’t like Japanese Animation.
Story supercedes animation.
48 | Summer Seale Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:54:05am |
re: #34 pingjockey
Well if I knew what a twitter and a tweet were, other than bird calls, I would!
You gotta live in the times! =) Twitter can actually be very useful.
49 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:54:08am |
re: #46 jamesfirecat
Yeah a Republican wouldn’t cut taxes for 95% of the people in America, a republican wouldn’t increase the defense budget, a Republican wouldn’t try and give people healthcare (Medicare part D) a republican wouldn’t expand offshore drilling…
Don’t forget increasing the nation’s debt. No Republican would dare do tha… oh, wait.
50 | Summer Seale Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:54:46am |
re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Maybe we should introduce him to Manga first, and then see if he likes it! Haha. =)
51 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:54:52am |
re: #48 Summer
You gotta live in the times! =) Twitter can actually be very useful.
For me to poop on.
52 | Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:55:31am |
re: #46 jamesfirecat
you brute, you brute, you utter utter brute.
53 | wrenchwench Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:55:56am |
re: #45 subsailor68
That’s one of the most ironic signs I’ve ever seen. I wonder what happened when this person opened the Houston Chronicle the next morning? “Hey look! Got my picture in the paper! Oops…aw crap!”
That would only happen if the caption explained the irony, in single-syllable words.
54 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:56:11am |
re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Story supercedes animation.
It does, but I can’t ignore the animation, either, and it really does bother me. There are some that I like and I notice that those are usually a lot quieter, too. Princess Mononoke, for one. No screaming or flashing lights.
55 | ShaunP Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:57:07am |
re: #54 JasonA
It does, but I can’t ignore the animation, either, and it really does bother me. There are some that I like and I notice that those are usually a lot quieter, too. Princess Mononoke, for one. No screaming or flashing lights.
Great movie…
57 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:58:48am |
58 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:58:58am |
59 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 10:59:24am |
re: #54 JasonA
It does, but I can’t ignore the animation, either, and it really does bother me. There are some that I like and I notice that those are usually a lot quieter, too. Princess Mononoke, for one. No screaming or flashing lights.
I can understand that. Same reason I dont enjoy many modern Sci-Fi movie. Too much eyeclutter and the director pushing stuff on screen to distract from the fact they have no plot, character development or coherency.
60 | Summer Seale Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:00:05am |
re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Actually, I get tons of great articles through twitter. That’s mostly what I use it for. I tend to follow people who link to great articles or interviews online. It’s not all about kids talking about what shoes they’re wearing today. =P I also love it for live events like when CERN went live a few weeks ago - seeing them update that live was really cool. And also BadAstronomer and Neil Tyson are great to follow, as well as JPL and other places that send out really awesome science stuff.
Dunno if you ever thought about that aspect of it, but now you have! =)
61 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:01:39am |
re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I can understand that. Same reason I dont enjoy many modern Sci-Fi movie. Too much eyeclutter and the director pushing stuff on screen to distract from the fact they have no plot, character development or coherency.
I remember when I first saw Revenge of the Sith and right there in the opening scene I felt like Lucas had the director’s version of erectile dysfunction. Dozens of spaceships thrown at us without anything resembling a coherent engagement. I was disgusted.
62 | Right Brain Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:01:44am |
Who is going to buy these obvious plants? Same people who bought into “constition”.
64 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:02:46am |
re: #62 Right Brain
Please explain how this is an obvious plant.
65 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:03:00am |
re: #62 Right Brain
Who is going to buy these obvious plants? Same people who bought into “constition”.
So in other words you mean all the people who protested shoulder to shoulder with them believing them members of the cause?
66 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:04:03am |
A president controls the budget? Gee. I thought Congress spent our money.
67 | Cato the Elder Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:04:04am |
re: #15 Summer
After reading the last entry and this one, I really feel as if these Tea Partiers are simply rational, thoughtful, intelligent, and engaging people who are merely trying to express their dissatisfaction with the current political state of affairs in a meaningful and erudite way…
I’m almost positive that all of these signs and extremists are not the norm and, should you attend an actual Tea Party rally, you’d probably be discussing and debating with others who are in the midst of reciting Shakespeare, Voltaire, Moliere, and other literary giants as easily as they delightfully regale you with the history of politics from Plato to Fukuyama.
Right?
Hey beauty! ;^)
I was fantasizing about your last name being Glau again last night. It creeped out the board. Sorry.
I’ve been thinking of joining SL so I can annoy stalk woo you. Do you do hobbit-satyrs?
Upding for Fukuyama!
68 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:04:16am |
re: #61 JasonA
I remember when I first saw Revenge of the Sith and right there in the opening scene I felt like Lucas had the director’s version of erectile dysfunction. Dozens of spaceships thrown at us without anything resembling a coherent engagement. I was disgusted.
As opposed to the simple elegance of the first movie’s opening. Quit trying to distract us and tell the god damn story.
69 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:05:10am |
re: #62 Right Brain
Who is going to buy these obvious plants? Same people who bought into “constition”.
By that token, the nutty moonbats (I know, redundant) who had hilarious signs in years past were plants?
70 | Summer Seale Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:05:51am |
re: #67 Cato the Elder
Hey beauty! ;^)
I was fantasizing about your last name being Glau again last night. It creeped out the board. Sorry.
I’ve been thinking of joining SL so I can
annoystalkwoo you. Do you do hobbit-satyrs?Upding for Fukuyama!
LOL =)
Cato, I’ll be your Roman Slave Girl any day! =)
71 | Locker Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:06:22am |
re: #69 MandyManners
By that token, the nutty moonbats (I know, redundant) who had hilarious signs in years past were plants?
I doubt it. No way “they” would come near one of the left wing protests for fear of getting gay cooties.
72 | Wozza Matter? Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:06:35am |
re: #66 MandyManners
A president controls the budget? Gee. I thought Congress spent our money.
yes - but the president also has something called “a pen” - with which he can use a “veto” on “bills”.
73 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:07:15am |
The ANSWER.org protest signs were mass-produced and boring, but at least they were all spelled correctly.
74 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:07:34am |
re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
People have said that if you go back with a critical eye that the original movies don’t really stand up, but they’re wrong, for the reason you state. That opening shot let you know immediately what was going on. Everything seemed far more desperate, far more seat-of-the-pants. The directorial style was more John Ford, with people semi-flubbing lines and having realistic interruptions than the later movies.
Yes, Yoda is a more comic character than we remember, and yes, C3PO is campy as hell. They weren’t the center of the story.
Long story short is that Lucas failed to make me believe in the motivations of anyone in the new movies. The only one I felt remotely made sense was Obi Wan Kenobi. And the only fight scenes I really liked were Obi Wan against Jango and Obi Wan against Grievous.
75 | Mark Pennington Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:07:52am |
re: #41 JasonA
Does hating Anime make me a racist? I honestly really kinda don’t like Japanese Animation.
I hate it too so you’re not alone, buddy.
76 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:08:18am |
re: #71 Locker
I doubt it. No way “they” would come near one of the left wing protests for fear of getting gay cooties.
Huh?
I’m talking about the protesters from Code Pink, ANSWER and their ilk during the Bush Administration.
77 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:08:22am |
re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As opposed to the simple elegance of the first movie’s opening. Quit trying to distract us and tell the god damn story.
Just watch what this guy has to say he sums it all up pretty well….
[Link: www.youtube.com…]
78 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:08:30am |
re: #68 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
As opposed to the simple elegance of the first movie’s opening. Quit trying to distract us and tell the god damn story.
Actually, I think those 3 movies were each just two+ hours worth of distractions.
Enough with the friggin’ lightsaber!
79 | Locker Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:08:38am |
re: #41 JasonA
Does hating Anime make me a racist? I honestly really kinda don’t like Japanese Animation.
The Anime is fine it’s the food I can’t stand. That’s right… I said it… sushi and tempura SUCK!
80 | Capitalist Tool Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:09:04am |
re: #66 MandyManners
A president controls the budget? Gee. I thought Congress spent our money.
No one is in control
81 | Locker Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:09:22am |
re: #76 MandyManners
Huh?
I’m talking about the protesters from Code Pink, ANSWER and their ilk during the Bush Administration.
I know and there would never be a right wing plant at one of those protests for the reason (joke) specified.
82 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:09:45am |
83 | Mark Pennington Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:10:03am |
re: #46 jamesfirecat
Yeah a Republican wouldn’t cut taxes for 95% of the people in America, a republican wouldn’t increase the defense budget, a Republican wouldn’t try and give people healthcare (Medicare part D) a republican wouldn’t expand offshore drilling…
My uncle told me last night that family, charities and churches will automatically step in and take over if the government would just stop the entitlements of unemployment insurance and public assistance. lolerz
84 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:10:14am |
re: #81 Locker
I know and there would never be a right wing plant at one of those protests for the reason (joke) specified.
So, all Republicans hate gays?
85 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:10:30am |
86 | Capitalist Tool Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:10:36am |
87 | shades Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:11:27am |
And these people are supposed to be well-educated? Not buying it.
88 | Mark Pennington Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:11:43am |
re: #67 Cato the Elder
Hey beauty! ;^)
I was fantasizing about your last name being Glau again last night. It creeped out the board. Sorry.
I’ve been thinking of joining SL so I can
annoystalkwoo you. Do you do hobbit-satyrs?Upding for Fukuyama!
*dies*
89 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:11:51am |
re: #83 beekiller
My uncle told me last night that family, charities and churches will automatically step in and take over if the government would just stop the entitlements of unemployment insurance and public assistance. lolerz
Wow… well its nice that he believes in the kindness of his fellow many but lolly pop and unicorn dreams like that are suppose to be my job to produce as a liberal and thanks to how much unemployment pays these days it the only job I need!
90 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:12:33am |
re: #87 shades
And these people are supposed to be well-educated? Not buying it.
I have a theory.
Marlyin Vos Savant is a member of the Tea Party, her sheer brilliance plays havoc with the average intelligence of the party.
91 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:12:34am |
re: #74 Obdicut
People have said that if you go back with a critical eye that the original movies don’t really stand up, but they’re wrong, for the reason you state. That opening shot let you know immediately what was going on. Everything seemed far more desperate, far more seat-of-the-pants. The directorial style was more John Ford, with people semi-flubbing lines and having realistic interruptions than the later movies.
Yes, Yoda is a more comic character than we remember, and yes, C3PO is campy as hell. They weren’t the center of the story.
Long story short is that Lucas failed to make me believe in the motivations of anyone in the new movies. The only one I felt remotely made sense was Obi Wan Kenobi. And the only fight scenes I really liked were Obi Wan against Jango and Obi Wan against Grievous.
The second trilogy proves that an open wallet and full creative control is no guarantee that a movie will be good.
Here is a test. Without referring to what they do in the movies or what they look like, describe the characters of Han Solo and Luke Skywalker. Ok, now try and do it for Queen Amidala and Kwai Gon Jin.
92 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:13:13am |
re: #79 Locker
The Anime is fine it’s the food I can’t stand. That’s right… I said it… sushi and tempura SUCK!
YOU ARE DEAD TO ME!!! DEAD!!!
93 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:13:33am |
re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The second trilogy proves that an open wallet and full creative control is no guarantee that a movie will be good.
Here is a test. Without referring to what they do in the movies or what they look like, describe the characters of Han Solo and Luke Skywalker. Ok, now try and do it for Queen Amidala and Kwai Gon Jin.
I already brought up Movie Plinket who does the same thing except with Han Solo and C-3PO…
95 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:14:17am |
re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I did like the Boba Fett backstory. That part was nifty.
I’ve liked the plot of most of the Star Wars games a lot more than the recent movies. Outcast is a good series, especially.
96 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:15:18am |
re: #95 Obdicut
I did like the Boba Fett backstory. That part was nifty.
I’ve liked the plot of most of the Star Wars games a lot more than the recent movies. Outcast is a good series, especially.
KotOR was packed full of win.
97 | MandyManners Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:15:45am |
re: #86 Capitalist Tool
prove it
I don’t know how to answer that.
Are you saying that there’s a vast conspiracy to make us all *think* our votes count, that all nations are really run by a secret cabal?
98 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:15:57am |
re: #95 Obdicut
I did like the Boba Fett backstory. That part was nifty.
I’ve liked the plot of most of the Star Wars games a lot more than the recent movies. Outcast is a good series, especially.
I did like the Boba Fett part, just wish they had done a lot more with it. I would habe liked to have seen him in the third movie confronting Mace.
“My name is Boba Fett. You killed my father. Prepare to die.”
99 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:16:05am |
re: #95 Obdicut
I did like the Boba Fett backstory. That part was nifty.
I’ve liked the plot of most of the Star Wars games a lot more than the recent movies. Outcast is a good series, especially.
I loved the Rouge Squadron Books.
Yub Yub Commander!
100 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:17:43am |
re: #74 Obdicut
Long story short is that Lucas failed to make me believe in the motivations of anyone in the new movies. The only one I felt remotely made sense was Obi Wan Kenobi. And the only fight scenes I really liked were Obi Wan against Jango and Obi Wan against Grievous.
While I agree on all panning of the prequels and George Lucas’ involvement in particular, I would like to add that the fight between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul, from a technical perspective, is the best swordfight I have seen in film. This includes old black and white stuff and even the Princess Bride duel.
101 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:18:39am |
re: #100 Renaissance_Man
While I agree on all panning of the prequels and George Lucas’ involvement in particular, I would like to add that the fight between Obi-Wan and Darth Maul, from a technical perspective, is the best swordfight I have seen in film. This includes old black and white stuff and even the Princess Bride duel.
Yeah, it was beautiful. I won’t deny that. It needed a more emotional connection, though, and that just wasn’t there.
102 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:20:17am |
re: #100 Renaissance_Man
Then you haven’t watched Kurosawa movies, I assume. And it wasn’t a swordfight. It was a lightsaber duel. As a swordfight, it failed on the basis that they didn’t bring swords.
103 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:20:35am |
re: #101 JasonA
Yeah, it was beautiful. I won’t deny that. It needed a more emotional connection, though, and that just wasn’t there.
Sometimes, you dont need a choreographer, just a can of good ole fashioned ass whipping.
104 | jamesfirecat Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:21:08am |
re: #101 JasonA
Yeah, it was beautiful. I won’t deny that. It needed a more emotional connection, though, and that just wasn’t there.
Yeah I mean after Obi-Wan’s teacher is killed he just keeps on showing off artistic fight coreiagraphy, compare that with the way Luke lost his shit against Vader in the Return of the Jedi, and threw finess out the window in favor of just wailing on the son of a bitch.
105 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:22:33am |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
Well, I liked that, actually, because it showed that Obi Wan really was the truer Jedi, even thong Qui-Gon looked all composed and stuff.
I did think Obi wan was well-done. They didn’t ruin that character, at least.
106 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:23:04am |
re: #102 Obdicut
Then you haven’t watched Kurosawa movies, I assume. And it wasn’t a swordfight. It was a lightsaber duel. As a swordfight, it failed on the basis that they didn’t bring swords.
It was 2 men with glowing sticks dancing.
This is a sword fight.
107 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:24:24am |
re: #105 Obdicut
Well, I liked that, actually, because it showed that Obi Wan really was the truer Jedi, even thong Qui-Gon looked all composed and stuff.
I did think Obi wan was well-done. They didn’t ruin that character, at least.
They threw Darth Vader down the crapper, though. I have to block Anakin from my thoughts if I’m to take Vader seriously, now.
108 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:26:36am |
re: #104 jamesfirecat
Yeah I mean after Obi-Wan’s teacher is killed he just keeps on showing off artistic fight coreiagraphy, compare that with the way Luke lost his shit against Vader in the Return of the Jedi, and threw finess out the window in favor of just wailing on the son of a bitch.
And it worked!!!
109 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:27:34am |
re: #107 JasonA
I just tell myself the story is inaccurate.
110 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:28:21am |
re: #109 Obdicut
I just tell myself the story is inaccurate.
I guess you could call Lucas an unreliable narrator. :)
111 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:29:42am |
re: #110 JasonA
He contradicts himself a bunch, so it’s pretty easy to do.
He deserves credit for his achievements at ILM, though. He’s been a huge asset to the movie industry.
112 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:31:03am |
Hey, Kick-Ass comes out today, got to work that into my weekend.
113 | TheAntichrist Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:33:39am |
Pardon me, but I speak teabonics!
What he is saying is: “If President Obama was white I would still strongly disagree with his policies. Race is not a factor.”
/Barbara Billingsley
114 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:51:47am |
re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It was 2 men with glowing sticks dancing.
This is a sword fight.
[Video]
I have not watched any Kurosawa except for Seven Samurai when I was a kid, and I don’t remember too much about any technical stuff. However, my point about the swordfights from a technical point of view is the realism and attention paid to how the movements blend into the give and take of an actual fight between trained individuals.
In the Kurosawa clip, the actions of the guys he kills aren’t realistic - there’s a bit of the ‘stand around and wait and attack one at a time’ that is common in Hong Kong martial arts flicks, and then when they start running, their attempts to fight are of the lead-with-the-chest-and-head kind. Trained fighters almost always lead with the weapon in front, and even panicked men fearing for their lives will keep the weapon before them, even if they’re swinging it wildly in an attempt to keep the enemy away.
Compare it to the Qui-Gonn/Obi-Wan/Maul fight. The first part with both Jedi against Darth Maul is not bad - it’s not easy to accurately choreograph multiple opponents against one without doing a little bit of stand-and-wait, but it’s done pretty well there. Maul is very much on the defensive, and all his sweeps are defensively minded, with a give of ground that is in time with the attacks directed at him, much as a real swordsman would. When Obi-Wan is isolated, the fight goes downhill a little, but is still better than most lightsaber duels. Qui-Gonn’s attacks are very stilted and unrealistic, and attack the four corners (shoulders/hips), which is a basic theatrical swordfight element, and totally not how realistic blows in swordfights tend to be. When they aren’t attacking the four corners, the swings are fairly obviously aimed at the other weapon, instead of at the body. I suspect that Liam Neeson was either physically limited in what he could do, or the difference in the fighting of Qui-Gonn and Obi-Wan was excessively emphasised.
When Obi-Wan and Darth Maul go at it, though, the fight is at its best. Most of the attacks are actively directed at vitals, the head/body, and parries are obviously done to prevent a blow landing, rather than both fighters just swinging at the other guy’s weapon in space as is common in movie swordfights. There is very little of the four-corner slashing, and attacks on the other guy’s weapon are clearly done to create an opening, rather than just to clash weapons. The best part, however, is that not only can you definitively tell at any given time that one guy is attacking and the other defending the attack, but the attacker changes rapidly back and forth, almost from move to move, much as it is in a real fight between highly trained individuals. Most movie fights have one guy clearly pushing the other guy back for a long time, then vice versa, but to have the very realistic element of two trained fighters pushing back and forth rapidly as each one looks for an opening is very rare.
For another very, very well choreographed fight, I always like Achilles vs Hector in the otherwise average Troy, with Brad Pitt and Eric Bana. It’s not an especially realistic fight, but the dichotomy in styles and the way it adds to the characters is superb.
115 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 11:58:41am |
re: #114 Renaissance_Man
The fight is not in the least bit realistic as a swordfight, dude. Swordfights don’t have the same kind of contact at all. And there is a reason most real swordfights are over in about twenty seconds, too.
Also, a double-bladed weapon is totally useless in the real world.
It’s a nice fight scene. It’s cinematic. But given that it’s a fight between two mystical people wielding supernatural powers using technologically impossible weapons and doing physically impossible things, calling it a realistic-looking swordfight is silly.
Compare with this.
That’s what a real swordfight looks like— messy and awkward as hell.
116 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:05:08pm |
re: #115 Obdicut
And what’s awesome about it is that he knows that he needs to cover up his technique by wrecking the place, too, so it will look like it wasn’t done by just one skilled swordsman.
You are entirely right about the leading with the head thing, though I’d note there’s a lot of katana moves, since it’s a wrist-and-hips form, that do lead with the head at a distance.
117 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:06:54pm |
re: #115 Obdicut
That’s the same clip Kragar just posted. Neither fight is ‘realistic’, in the sense of how a ‘real’ fight with swords might go. The actions of the combatants (at least, the guys who get killed) in the Kurosawa clip are not accurate - they do some standing around and waiting, they lead with the head and body, etc. That doesn’t make it terrible - most films do something similar.
My point is that the elements of give and take, attack and defence, and most importantly where and how attacks are directed in the Obi-Wan/Maul fight are much more in keeping with how trained combatants fight. That’s what makes it more ‘realistic’.
118 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:07:49pm |
re: #116 Obdicut
And what’s awesome about it is that he knows that he needs to cover up his technique by wrecking the place, too, so it will look like it wasn’t done by just one skilled swordsman.
Yes, that is awesome, and I am in no way comparing the storytelling or character development-through-battle that both scenes bring. Just the highly technical parts.
119 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:08:42pm |
re: #117 Renaissance_Man
Jesus, dude, that’s how real people fight.
My point is that the elements of give and take, attack and defence, and most importantly where and how attacks are directed in the Obi-Wan/Maul fight are much more in keeping with how trained combatants fight. That’s what makes it more ‘realistic’.
No, it’s how people doing Kendo fight, not actual fighters.
We have the historic records from Japan and from Europe. One-on-one swordfights between professional soldiers tended to be over on the first exchange of blows, except where ultraheavy armor was involved.
120 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:11:24pm |
The vast majority of all sword fights in a quick 10 second lesson:
121 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:12:35pm |
re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That’s the one I was thinking of, but couldn’t find.
122 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:12:47pm |
re: #119 Obdicut
Jesus, dude, that’s how real people fight.
Relax, I’m not fighting with you.
Take my word for it - put a sword or the equivalent in the hands of an untrained person, and they look very different. As they get more training, they look different again, but still not like they do in movies, even when under pressure.
123 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:16:37pm |
re: #121 Obdicut
That’s the one I was thinking of, but couldn’t find.
Or they looked like this.
/OK, I just thought this was a much cooler scene that Obi Wan and Darth Maul dancing around like twits.
124 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:17:50pm |
re: #122 Renaissance_Man
I’m sorry, but I don’t trust you since I have experience in the area. I’m not arguing from a position of ignorance.
Most swordfights do not go on for any length of time, and they do not involve a back and forth pushing and giving of space, like in the movies. That is the movie part. Real sword fights did not last any length of time except between heavily armored fighters.
Modern Kendo and Iajitsu have formalized and ritualized swordfighting, and European duels also ritualized it, but neither resemble what actual battle sword-fighting looked like.
You could make an argument that what the Jedi and Sith do is an accurate display of schools of lightsaber fighting and that it’s a highly traditional art, which is probably ‘true’, but the lightsaber fight of Luke vs. Darth cited above is far more like a ‘real’ combat than between Maul and Qui-Gon.
125 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:18:25pm |
re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That helmet made me laugh.
126 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:19:58pm |
127 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:22:29pm |
re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The one with all the studs on it.
That fight is ludicriously unrealistic but awesome. You can’t toss someone with a spear like that, you can’t decapitate someone with a scuta, either— the edge was round or squared off.
But still so much fucking fun.
128 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:25:05pm |
re: #124 Obdicut
I’m sorry, but I don’t trust you since I have experience in the area. I’m not arguing from a position of ignorance.
Neither am I, I’m afraid.
Unfortunately, like a lot of geek-fringe arguments on the internet, this one seems to be devolving into something much more serious than it was supposed to be. I’ll step away now, because there doesn’t tend to be a way to solve these arguments.* Thanks for the esoteric discussion.
*Other than picking up swords and settling it that way, I suppose.
129 | Four More Tears Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:25:40pm |
Let’s face it, the whole Jedi philosophy is bullocks and actually detracts from the lightsaber scenes. You need some measure of anger to want to kill a man, no?
130 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:27:52pm |
re: #62 Right Brain
Who is going to buy these obvious plants? Same people who bought into “constition”.
Lord God, tell me you are joking.
131 | Kragar (Antichrist ) Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:28:21pm |
re: #127 Obdicut
The one with all the studs on it.
That fight is ludicriously unrealistic but awesome. You can’t toss someone with a spear like that, you can’t decapitate someone with a scuta, either— the edge was round or squared off.
But still so much fucking fun.
For another awesome fight scene (whole movie really), check out Chocolate, Thai martial arts film on Netflix. The girl’s dad knows how to win a sword fight, as seen part way thru this.
132 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:29:10pm |
re: #69 MandyManners
By that token, the nutty moonbats (I know, redundant) who had hilarious signs in years past were plants?
Apparently. And all those years I spent being EMBARASSED about those signs…wasted.
133 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:29:35pm |
re: #70 Summer
LOL =)
Cato, I’ll be your Roman Slave Girl any day! =)
I think Cato’s going back to his bunk.
134 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:30:01pm |
re: #128 Renaissance_Man
I’m sorry, but to me it isn’t even an argument. Historical records exist. Swordfighting was damn popular over the entire planet, and all of the actual histories of swordfights that were not ritualized duels show them lasting for a very brief time period in engagements between trained swordsmen. This isn’t a very ‘serious’ subject— it is, as you say, esoteric, and I’m not actually at all annoyed, just baffled how anyone could claim a fight involving a double-bladed weapon was realistic.
However, I’m going to hazard a guess that your experience comes from a more formalized art where what you say is true.
135 | SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Apr 16, 2010 12:44:23pm |
re: #84 MandyManners
So, all Republicans hate gays?
The kind of Republicans who would be plants at an anti-war rally to make moonbats look worse probably would hate gays. You have to be fairly unbalanced to do that kind of thing.
136 | webevintage Fri, Apr 16, 2010 1:50:55pm |
I think a new group should be formed of the grammer/spelling police who go to protests with great big red markers and offer to correct protest signs for free.
137 | filetandrelease Fri, Apr 16, 2010 2:01:40pm |
re: #10 Renaissance_Man
The real question is, would you dislike him if he were doing exactly what he is/has been doing, but instead was a Republican? Would you dislike him if the media you follow weren’t demonising him in a manner that ranges from the ridiculous to borderline seditious?
I wonder.
Yes, we would still dislike him. That is the entire point of the tea party movement. It has nothing to do with race or party or net work.
138 | Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Fri, Apr 16, 2010 2:32:19pm |
re: #137 filetandrelease
That’s why it spontaneously sprung up (was bankrolled by Dick Armey, among others) after the election of a black, Democratic president, whose spending policies have not strongly diverged from that of his Republican predecessor.
139 | Renaissance_Man Fri, Apr 16, 2010 3:46:08pm |
re: #137 filetandrelease
Yes, we would still dislike him. That is the entire point of the tea party movement. It has nothing to do with race or party or net work.
In the case of a very few people with good reasoning skills, that might be the case. I doubt very much those few people turn up at Tea Parties.
In the case of the Tea Parties as a whole, they can tell themselves that all they like, but that doesn’t make it true.
140 | Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Apr 17, 2010 12:19:06am |
How about paraphrasing Michael Jackson: “I still hate Obama, it don’t matter if he’s black or white (whoop)!”
I was at a biker bar here in Germany and encountered some neonazi supremacist fellow wearing a black t-shirt with a quote (in English) from some American white supremacist about “preserving the purity of our white race”.
Such speedch and statements are highly illegal in Germany, I guess he though he could get away with it if it was in English (Just like they play Frank Zappa’s “Bobby Brown” on the radio stations here)
I considered going up to him with a black marker and correcting the mistake, but didn’t, as I would’ve felt compelled to top it off by adding a toothbrush moustache under his nose…
141 | haakondahl Sun, Apr 18, 2010 8:34:46pm |
re: #19 Obdicut
Though the point itself is weirdly defensive and pointless. He might as well just carry a sign saying, “I’m not a racist.” Or, in l337, “1m n0 A R4[157.”
Seeing as the entire Tea Party movement is called racist, it’s not that unexpected, is it?