1 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:47:47am

Race-based favoritism.

/

2 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:48:12am

Good on Obama, she deserves it... but you know there's going to be someone out there screaming "preferential treatment", and that's annoying.

3 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:48:40am

Now I see it all.

The whole thing was a ploy for a better job, and notice from the president.

[Fox News spin]

4 tradewind  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:49:34am

What, no beer summit?
That's rude./

5 Locker  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:49:38am

I hope she takes the job offering and flips this into something positive. It's much harder to change things from the "outside". Get in there and do the good work Ms. Sherrod.

6 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:50:14am

re: #3 Cato the Elder

Now I see it all.

The whole thing was a ploy for a better job, and notice from the president.

[Fox News spin]

No no, it will be "Obama Promotes Racist". Anyway, we shouldn't we writing their headlines for them.

7 ShaunP  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:51:24am

Serious question; if she ends the day with a better job, can she still sue Breitbart for damages?

8 darthstar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:52:19am

re: #4 tradewind

What, no beer summit?
That's rude./

Shirley strikes me as the kind of lady who might enjoy a nice sip of bourbon...but only one.

9 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:52:21am

re: #3 Cato the Elder

Now I see it all.

The whole thing was a ploy for a better job, and notice from the president.

[Fox News spin]

And poor Andy brightbrat was just the poor dumb sap who got manipulated by them in this whole web of lies.

10 darthstar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:52:44am

re: #7 ShaunP

Serious question; if she ends the day with a better job, can she still sue Breitbart for damages?

Defamation of character is defamation of character.

11 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:53:13am

re: #7 ShaunP

Serious question; if she ends the day with a better job, can she still sue Breitbart for damages?

Yes, Character defamtion, libel, probably on a few other points as well.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:53:21am

re: #4 tradewind

What, no beer summit?
That's rude./

Mint juleps on the verandah would be much more fitting...

13 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:54:00am

re: #7 ShaunP

Serious question; if she ends the day with a better job, can she still sue Breitbart for damages?

Defamation of character and libel/slander don't require that the act in question did long-term harm in order to meet the definition of the crime.

Just like spitting on someone can be assault, even though the harm is undone on kleenex later.

14 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:54:38am

By the way, where has Stacy "Repellent" McCain been these last few days? Stirrin' shit? Layin' low? Threatening to punch some editor's lights out?

15 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:54:42am

re: #5 Locker

I hope she takes the job offering and flips this into something positive. It's much harder to change things from the "outside". Get in there and do the good work Ms. Sherrod.

That may be the angle that gets her to stay. In her talk she said she decided not to move north, but to stay in the South and work to make things better after her father was murdered.

16 researchok  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:55:53am

re: #7 ShaunP

Serious question; if she ends the day with a better job, can she still sue Breitbart for damages?

Maybe- one has nothing to do with the other. On the other hand, her claim of being hurt by his actions is diminished.

17 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:57:11am

Not only is this a genuine effort to right a very serious wrong, but it also serves as a slap in the face to the Right for working to drag this good woman through the mud and then leave her there to rot.

Good on ya, Obama.

18 tradewind  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:57:55am

re: #13 Fozzie Bear
Ya'll are missing the point. Do you really think that POTUS made the effort to call Ms Sherrod because he blames Breitbart or Fox or _____ ( fill in media devil of choice) for this debacle? Not so much.
It's the DOA whose ass is on the line here. DOA fired her.

19 webevintage  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:58:02am

I said this in another thread.
I think it would be nice if the "yet to be named" position in the USDA they want to offer Shirley would be one involving the payments to black farmers who won that lawsuit and who are still waiting for their payments.

20 Kragar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:58:40am

re: #14 Cato the Elder

By the way, where has Stacy "Repellent" McCain been these last few days? Stirrin' shit? Layin' low? Threatening to punch some editor's lights out?

Face firmly planted in Breitbart's lap, according to his blog

21 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:59:18am

re: #18 tradewind

Ya'll are missing the point. Do you really think that POTUS made the effort to call Ms Sherrod because he blames Breitbart or Fox or ___ ( fill in media devil of choice) for this debacle? Not so much.
It's the DOA whose ass is on the line here. DOA fired her.

...based on faulty information from a blogger who still calls her a racist.

22 Firstinla  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:59:21am

A study in contrasts: Sherrod, a woman of great character and dignity and Breitbart, a man of neither. Regardless of the outcome of this ugliness, character and dignity wins the day.

23 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:59:44am

re: #18 tradewind

Ya'll are missing the point. Do you really think that POTUS made the effort to call Ms Sherrod because he blames Breitbart or Fox or ___ ( fill in media devil of choice) for this debacle? Not so much.
It's the DOA whose ass is on the line here. DOA fired her.

I imagine he called her for the same reason anybody else would call her. He felt bad about it, and didn't want his own political star to be tarnished by involvement in what was clearly a poor decision.

24 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:00:33am

re: #22 Firstinla

A study in contrasts: Sherrod, a woman of great character and dignity and Breitbart, a man of neither. Regardless of the outcome of this ugliness, character and dignity wins the day.

If only goodness were it's own reward on anything other than an individual level. Oh to live in such a world!

25 darthstar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:00:58am

re: #23 Fozzie Bear

I imagine he called her for the same reason anybody else would call her. He felt bad about it, and didn't want his own political star to be tarnished by involvement in what was clearly a poor decision.

It was the right thing to do. Period.

26 blueraven  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:01:42am

re: #18 tradewind

Ya'll are missing the point. Do you really think that POTUS made the effort to call Ms Sherrod because he blames Breitbart or Fox or ___ ( fill in media devil of choice) for this debacle? Not so much.
It's the DOA whose ass is on the line here. DOA fired her.

With all due respect; it is you who misses the point. Totally.

27 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:02:01am

re: #18 tradewind

Ya'll are missing the point. Do you really think that POTUS made the effort to call Ms Sherrod because he blames Breitbart or Fox or ___ ( fill in media devil of choice) for this debacle? Not so much.
It's the DOA whose ass is on the line here. DOA fired her.

Downding for not knowing your alphabet soup.

28 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:02:12am

Rep. Steve King on Ben Shapiro Show

Youtube Video

Shirley Sherrod was not only an initiator of the Pigford Farms case, she received a chunk of change for her company, New Communities, Inc. To be accurate, she received the largest chunk of change for New Communities — $13 million. New Communities was a bankrupt commune-type land trust held by Sherrod and her husband. She and her husband personally received $150,000 each to compensate them for “pain and suffering.”

I asked Congressman King about this, because he is on the House Agriculture Committee. He pledged that if Republicans won the House back in November, he would initiate an investigation into Sherrod’s hiring, which is deeply suspicious at best. Why would the USDA, which had been shaken down by Sherrod, hire her?

wow

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:02:23am

Rush Limbaugh of course is in on the act...

I just read this from a screaming loon at a right wing site:

Warning... disgusting cretin:

that sherrod bitch IS still a racist.
she’s quite likely another commie too since one of her children is named Russia (just heard Rush say that)

30 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:02:49am

The Obama administration fucked up and apologized for it. I know, it must be an alien concept for some, but I declare victory for the adults.

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:03:00am

re: #19 webevintage

I said this in another thread.
I think it would be nice if the "yet to be named" position in the USDA they want to offer Shirley would be one involving the payments to black farmers who won that lawsuit and who are still waiting for their payments.


You see, part of the reason they are still waiting is because Congress has not approved the funding yet.

Mething there be a much bigger agenda behind this smear campaign than we suspected at first, and I think that has a bearing on Obama weighing in personally.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:03:48am

re: #22 Firstinla

A study in contrasts: Sherrod, a woman of great character and dignity and Breitbart, a man of neither. Regardless of the outcome of this ugliness, character and dignity wins the day.


But only in the eyes of those capable of recognizing it

33 blueraven  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:03:53am

re: #27 Cato the Elder

Downding for not knowing your alphabet soup.

Kind of apropos in the end, since the entire post was DOA.

34 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:04:40am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Nothing but scum. They know they lost this round and are busy shilling for the true believers.

Someone really needs to sue Breitbart and Fox over this and have it out deeply in the open. We need to shine lots of very bright light on the cockroaches.

35 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:04:54am

re: #28 Killgore Trout

Rep. Steve King on Ben Shapiro Show

[Video]wow

Ok, this has reached a whole new level of creepiness.

36 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:05:22am

Sample comment from a chin-dribbling illiterate on Breitbart's site:

If Blakes [sic] weren't the racists now, being in the total power structure of this country right now, who'd be talking racial issues right now?

I knew this a couple decades ago-thinking, if a blake [sic] man ever became POTUS, that this would happen…to us all.

When's the last time anyone has ever seen a white commedian [sic] -on stage, and within 90 seconds make a racial joke? (who are the REAL the [sic] racists?)

Note to Andy: a man is known by the company he keeps.

37 tradewind  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:06:06am

re: #21 Jerk
Excuse me?
I'm not getting any information from ' a blogger '. I can't even keep up with what's the latest here, and I don't hang out at or post on any other blog. The fact is that Vilsack made the decision to let her go, and passed the word to a subordinate. A blogger couldn't fire Ms Sherrod.
(My source is the WaPo account of her firing. Last time I looked, they weren't yet classified as ' a blogger').
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

38 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:06:33am

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Sample comment from a chin-dribbling illiterate on Breitbart's site:

Note to Andy: a man is known by the company he keeps.

Can we just assume that was a troll? Pretty please? can't even spell black right...gah.

39 efuseakay  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:06:42am

If she takes it, she can't really speak out against the Breitbart mob, since she will be under an "official capacity"...

Ultimately it's her call, and I am glad Obama offered her a job.

Part of me hopes she doesn't... then she can actually speak out about what has happened to her, without fear of any repercussions on an employee standpoint. But one can't help but fear for her safety now...

40 webevintage  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:06:47am

re: #31 ralphieboy

You see, part of the reason they are still waiting is because Congress has not approved the funding yet.

Mething there be a much bigger agenda behind this smear campaign than we suspected at first, and I think that has a bearing on Obama weighing in personally.

I had NO idea that the funding had not been approved yet.
I have been hearing about this story for years and thought that once they won the suit the farmers would finally get some justice.
Silly me....
And NOW King is going after the Sherrod's for working on behalf of these folks.
What an asshole.

41 tradewind  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:07:09am

Laytah.

42 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:07:16am

re: #34 ludwigvanquixote

Nothing but scum. They know they lost this round and are busy shilling for the true believers.

Someone really needs to sue Breitbart and Fox over this and have it out deeply in the open. We need to shine lots of very bright light on the cockroaches.

This goes beyond Breitbart. It's starting to look increasingly likely that it part of a new white rights movement. They are claiming that 99% of the allegations of racism are bogus. Sharrod's father was killed by a white farmer. Ugh.

43 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:07:21am

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Ok, this has reached a whole new level of creepiness.

This is just a transitional level of creepiness on the way to an even greater level of creepiness.

It's going to get MUCH worse.

44 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:08:17am

re: #38 McSpiff

Can we just assume that was a troll? Pretty please? can't even spell black right...gah.

Read the other comments and then tell me that's a troll.

45 blueraven  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:09:05am

re: #37 tradewind

Excuse me?
I'm not getting any information from ' a blogger '. I can't even keep up with what's the latest here, and I don't hang out at or post on any other blog. The fact is that Vilsack made the decision to let her go, and passed the word to a subordinate. A blogger couldn't fire Ms Sherrod.
(My source is the WaPo account of her firing. Last time I looked, they weren't yet classified as ' a blogger').
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

So I guess you missed the whole Andy Breitbart, edited video, smear thing.//

46 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:10:09am

re: #7 ShaunP

Serious question; if she ends the day with a better job, can she still sue Breitbart for damages?

Smelling of roses and pockets full of fish is only a suitable defense on Discworld...

47 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:10:25am

re: #42 Killgore Trout

This goes beyond Breitbart. It's starting to look increasingly likely that it part of a new white rights movement. They are claiming that 99% of the allegations of racism are bogus. Sharrod's father was killed by a white farmer. Ugh.

New (?) white rights movement... I have been writing here for over a year that we are hearing the populist racism and victimization of the early Nazis. Of course, that is what this is. The entire point from the get go was to convince white folks that they are victims in their own nation.

48 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:10:31am

re: #44 Cato the Elder

Read the other comments and then tell me that's a troll.

Sigh I know, I know. Racists are stupid, who would have thunk it.

49 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:11:21am

re: #41 tradewind

Laytah.

No Rush.

50 tradewind  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:11:26am

re: #45 blueraven
Of course not. But believe me, the administration does not like to think about the idea that this DOA makes hiring/firing decisions in the twinkling of an eye based on blog reports. Say it isn't so?
Whoops.

51 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:11:38am

re: #45 blueraven

So I guess you missed the whole Andy Breitbart, edited video, smear thing.//

You know you're talking to someone who bought the ACORN hit-job hook, line, and sinker, right?

52 tradewind  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:13:33am

re: #21 Jerk
Sorry, I misread your point. See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Now really out.

53 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:14:09am

re: #51 JasonA

You know you're talking to someone who bought the ACORN hit-job hook, line, and sinker, right?

Tradewind is unteachable.

54 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:14:13am

re: #50 tradewind

Of course not. But believe me, the administration does not like to think about the idea that this DOA makes hiring/firing decisions in the twinkling of an eye based on blog reports. Say it isn't so?
Whoops.

LOL. Hooked on phonics.

55 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:14:34am

re: #50 tradewind

Of course not. But believe me, the administration does not like to think about the idea that this DOA makes hiring/firing decisions in the twinkling of an eye based on blog reports. Say it isn't so?
Whoops.

Blog reports based up by just about all the muscle Fox News could put behind them.

56 darthstar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:14:47am

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Sample comment from a chin-dribbling illiterate on Breitbart's site:

Note to Andy: a man is known by the company he keeps.

Tiger, tiger burning bright... Yeah, I always considered myself a Blake man...but I still don't think I'll ever become president.

57 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:15:56am

I hope they put a small secret service detail on Sherrod, because I would bet that someone is going to take a shot at her.

The direction that the right has been heading can only end in bloodshed, either theirs or that of someone else.

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:16:09am

re: #40 webevintage

I had NO idea that the funding had not been approved yet.
I have been hearing about this story for years and thought that once they won the suit the farmers would finally get some justice.
Silly me...
And NOW King is going after the Sherrod's for working on behalf of these folks.
What an asshole.


Been listening Rep King on the Shapiro Show.

We are looking at the whole "forty acres and a mule" debate kicking back to life.

Regardless of the facts behind the matter, I get a feeling that this Pigford Farms story is going to blow up big time and become The Scandal Of the Summer, one of the things the Republicans hope to ride on into the elections.

I also undestand now why Vilsack was so very tetchy about it and I also understand why it is necessary for Fox and the Right to keep this story going.

59 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:16:35am

re: #57 Fozzie Bear

Dude, I wouldn't make a comment like that if I were you. Just saying.

60 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:16:59am

The right wing is gunnin' for the America I know and love.

Literally.

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:18:17am

re: #60 Cato the Elder

The right wing is gunnin' for the America I know and love.

Literally.

I feel the rising tide of indignity...

62 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:18:31am

re: #59 JasonA

Dude, I wouldn't make a comment like that if I were you. Just saying.

History moves in patterns. As Twain said, it doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme. The current patterns seems very very familiar.

It might seem like an awful prediction, but I think it's probably accurate.

63 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:18:46am

re: #59 JasonA

Dude, I wouldn't make a comment like that if I were you. Just saying.

She's been labeled a racist, Marxist, there has been suggestion she's an associate of bill ayers (lol...). Plus the nuts feel she has personally committed some sort of "Race Crime" against the Poor White Farmer. I don't think police protection would be out of line at all.

64 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:18:51am

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

65 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:19:08am

re: #61 ralphieboy

I feel the rising tide of indignity...

Tea Party: the Indig-Nation.

66 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:19:30am

re: #62 Fozzie Bear

Still, the second half of that first sentence didn't need to be said.

67 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:20:12am

re: #64 reuven

What do you think of Andrew Breitbart's part in this?

68 ShaunP  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:20:34am

re: #64 reuven

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

A co-worker lies to your boss and you get fired; you blame the boss? I blame the guy who lied about you...

69 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:21:09am

re: #68 ShaunP

Except this wasn't a co-worker, it was a random blogger.

70 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:21:10am

re: #66 JasonA

Still, the second half of that first sentence didn't need to be said.

Perhaps so, but I remember MLK, JFK, RFK. You don't think that sort of thing is really behind us, do you

71 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:21:11am

re: #64 reuven

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

Right.

James O'Keefe ring any bells?

72 darthstar  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:21:23am

Little Green Footballs Blames Rachel Maddow In Ongoing Scandal

(Read it before you express outrage)...

Granted, there will eventually be comments that still knock this site, but the diary itself is a good one.

73 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:21:40am

re: #69 reuven

Except this wasn't a co-worker, it was a random blogger.

For very small values of random.

74 Four More Tears  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:22:03am

re: #64 reuven

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

The people who fired her regret doing so and would like to make things right. The people who smeared her? Not so much.

75 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:22:25am

re: #66 JasonA

Still, the second half of that first sentence didn't need to be said.

I disagree.

76 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:22:31am

re: #67 wrenchwench

What he did was disgusting. And he may be held liable in a civil case. But still, one's employer should do a full investigation. Especially when it's as easy as getting a copy of the entire speech.

77 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:22:39am

re: #63 McSpiff

She's been labeled a racist, Marxist, there has been suggestion she's an associate of bill ayers (lol...). Plus the nuts feel she has personally committed some sort of "Race Crime" against the Poor White Farmer. I don't think police protection would be out of line at all.


Listen to the Shapiro thing: she is branded a hustler who profited from a bogus recompensation scam and received a political appointment in order to buy her off.

I fear that shotguns are being locked and loaded all over the south as we speak...

78 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:22:56am

re: #64 reuven

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

Because the people who fired her acted foolishly and rashly, but not maliciously unlike those who came up with and pressed this smear to the hilt.

If we didn't have people manufacturing fake outrages like Andrew Brietbart at work then they wouldn't have acted in such a way.

Do you blame the police when they arrest an innocent man, or the one who came to them with a fake report of how he saw a mugging and gave them a sketch of who did it?

79 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:23:28am

re: #69 reuven

Except this wasn't a co-worker, it was a random blogger.

A random blogger + 99% of Fox News...

80 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:23:32am

re: #69 reuven

Except this wasn't a co-worker, it was a random blogger.

Nothing fucking random about it.

I would bet you Kruggerands to doughnuts that this whole thing was plotted in advance by Breitbart in collusion with Fux News.

81 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:25:20am

re: #64 reuven

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

The fault of her having been fired does indeed lie with the DOA, and the Administration. However, that wrong has been corrected, because the truth was brought to light.

The continuing travesty of the smears against Sherrod remains.

82 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:25:57am

re: #64 reuven

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

A.) Because the people who fired her are dealing with their shame, and have issued apologies to the injured party, and

B.) Because the scare merchants both here and in the media who are all too eager to push Breitbart's non-stop stream of bullshit negrophobia refuse to apologize for their abhorrent, indefensible, disgusting pattern of racist behavior.

83 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:26:41am

re: #52 tradewind

On the off-chance that you read this when you come back:

Blog Post -> Fox News -> Firing.

The full force of a TV news network helped in spreading this lie. The people who fired her apologized, the NAACP apologized, Fox News somewhat apologized (though they cannot be held to such standards), and the blogger continues to call her a racist. Yes, the NAACP and the USDA made some mistakes, but the blogger could still be sued in civil court for starting all of this and not stopping.

84 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:26:59am

re: #72 darthstar

Fucking know-it-all liberal condescension.

85 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:27:15am

re: #84 Jeff In Ohio

and for you

/.

86 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:27:17am

From what I'm reading here, it seems like many posters would prefer that the administration assume everything coming out of Right Wing media is libel. This is entirely acceptable to me.

87 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:28:18am

re: #83 Jerk

Hasn't it all ready been demonstrated it was Blog - Fire - Fox News?

Not that I think it matters.

88 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:29:44am

re: #76 reuven

What he did was disgusting. And he may be held liable in a civil case. But still, one's employer should do a full investigation. Especially when it's as easy as getting a copy of the entire speech.

A coworker with an axe to grind about the management style in the company decides to "make a point" by singling out you, a supporter of the management and a guy with a track record of doing good works without looking for recognition. He goes to your superior and produces a video tape that he claims shows you destroying valuable files and entering false information into the database in order to cost the company money. Your superior goes with the video tape to his superior, who hands down the verdict that the company's zero-tolerance policy is clear and that you're terminated.

Do you blame your superiors for firing you based upon what, for all appearances, was legitimate and irrefutable proof of your guilt? Or your coworker who chopped up an otherwise harmless video of you diligently working to produce his "evidence" against you, acting with obviously malicious intent?

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:30:06am

I am getting another wavelength, and I fear that little Breathbarf is a lot craftier and nastier than we originally gave him credit of.

There is going to be an ongoing discussion about this Pigford Farms class-action suit against the USDA and Sharrod's role in it, especially as the final financing for it has yet to be approved by Congress. It is going to get very ugly.

And we are just seeing the opening moves.

90 Jerk  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:30:30am

re: #87 Jeff In Ohio

Hasn't it all ready been demonstrated it was Blog - Fire - Fox News?

Not that I think it matters.

Blog -> Fox News -> Fired -> Fox News backtrack. Maybe there should be a timeline made when this ordeal is over.

91 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:31:25am

juicy story....still has a lot of traction, and the question is, where does it go from here?....I'd suggest BO lay off the subject since all has gone smoothly from the admin...let Breitbart howl

92 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:32:05am

re: #87 Jeff In Ohio

Hasn't it all ready been demonstrated it was Blog - Fire - Fox News?

Not that I think it matters.

Not even close Rachel Maddow did a good bit last night (which Charles then posted) to show how it was in fact Blog->Fox-Fire.

93 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:34:47am

re: #86 McSpiff

From what I'm reading here, it seems like many posters would prefer that the administration assume everything coming out of Right Wing media is libel. This is entirely acceptable to me.

libel?...boy, that's even worse than "entirely bunk"

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:34:50am

re: #91 albusteve

Well, look at it from the White House POV...

No one's talking about Financial overhauls or unemployment...

95 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:34:51am

re: #92 jamesfirecat

Not even close Rachel Maddow did a good bit last night (which Charles then posted) to show how it was in fact Blog->Fox-Fire.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Eitherway it is a distraction.

96 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:36:16am

OK, my beta-test of "the program" is a proven success.

I have animated my first fictional character, Lisbeth Salander, and she has already dug up some very interesting hacked emails among the Shrieker, Spencer, and Geert Wilders.

Seems we may have a "three-in-a-bed" report to sell to the National Enquirer.

Now I need some real coders to step in and help me with the animation of Jean Valjean, the Scarlet Pimpernel, Frodo and Sam, and - top priority - Gandalf.

Any takers?

97 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:36:42am

re: #89 ralphieboy

I am getting another wavelength, and I fear that little Breathbarf is a lot craftier and nastier than we originally gave him credit of.

There is going to be an ongoing discussion about this Pigford Farms class-action suit against the USDA and Sharrod's role in it, especially as the final financing for it has yet to be approved by Congress. It is going to get very ugly.

And we are just seeing the opening moves.

maybe so...good eye
I have a feeling this thing is going to keep going myself....somewhere

98 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:37:07am

Note on as the blog turns:

Bagua is now over at the stalkers.

He is going by Bat-Man.

He has an entire page of crap up, and he sent out some kudos to me, Ice, Jimmah and of course, Charles.

Well... can't say I'll miss him.

99 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:37:13am

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, look at it from the White House POV...

No one's talking about Financial overhauls or unemployment...

Exactly. Or Dick Lugars Kagan endorsement. OR GOP bailing on tax breaks for small businesses. Or Unemployment being signed.

IT IS A CONSPIRACY OF DUNCES!!!

100 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:37:41am

re: #91 albusteve

Hey, I'm just trying to get a read on the mood here. As far as I can tell, its "of course Breathbarf and Fox lied, its what they do! The real mistake here was the gov't listening to them."

To which I say: Great! So we can all just ignore the Wingnut outrage of the day next time? Right?

101 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:38:50am

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

I'm not at all surprised. What a jerk.

102 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:38:57am

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

Note on as the blog turns:

Bagua is now over at the stalkers.

He is going by Bat-Man.

He has an entire page of crap up, and he sent out some kudos to me, Ice, Jimmah and of course, Charles.

Well... can't say I'll miss him.

Honestly, for all his faults, I never figured he'd do that.

Bagua, if it's true, I'm extremely disappointed.

103 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:39:16am

re: #91 albusteve

re: #97 albusteve

Nope, and now it has Obama's imprint on it most personally. I think he realizes the need to come out swinging, as it is not going to let up.

Listen carefully to the allegations being made in Rep Kin's interview on the Shapiro show: there is blog fodder for ages, and it will make it into the news.

Fox is going to be starting a separate Sherrod Department by the end of the week and this is going to be a major riff in the ongoing dispute.

104 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:40:20am

re: #98 LudwigVanQuixote

Note on as the blog turns:

Bagua is now over at the stalkers.

He is going by Bat-Man.

He has an entire page of crap up, and he sent out some kudos to me, Ice, Jimmah and of course, Charles.

Well... can't say I'll miss him.

I was gonna ask how the stalkers are doing. Shall we set up our own blog to stalk them?

105 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:40:22am

re: #100 McSpiff

Hey, I'm just trying to get a read on the mood here. As far as I can tell, its "of course Breathbarf and Fox lied, its what they do! The real mistake here was the gov't listening to them."

To which I say: Great! So we can all just ignore the Wingnut outrage of the day next time? Right?

makes sense on some level...it will take a hundred stories like this to clean up the MSM if that's even possible....I think govt and the media are inching closer and closer to each other, since the media cannot control it's urges to forward their own agenda...and nothing good will come of that

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:40:25am

re: #102 Cato the Elder

Honestly, for all his faults, I never figured he'd do that.

Bagua, if it's true, I'm extremely disappointed.

HE has a page up with screen shots of his fight with Ice and his banning on DoD. It has to be him, because all of his posts in the screenshots have a green header.

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:41:45am

re: #99 Jeff In Ohio

The noise is loved and appreciated...

108 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:41:45am

re: #103 ralphieboy

I get that you are not interested. Yet, whenever I point out just how despicable these folks are in the mini blog, I get hundreds of clicks. You are simply outvoted.

109 jamesfirecat  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:41:58am

re: #104 ralphieboy

I was gonna ask how the stalkers are doing. Shall we set up our own blog to stalk them?

Oh my god I've gone crosseyed....

110 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:42:05am

re: #105 albusteve

makes sense on some level...it will take a hundred stories like this to clean up the MSM if that's even possible...I think govt and the media are inching closer and closer to each other, since the media cannot control it's urges to forward their own agenda...and nothing good will come of that

Its not good at all. Fairness doctrine? Ugh.

111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:43:26am

Quick personal note... just had a tomato sandwich... fresh tomato I picked yesterday. Seven inches across... had to trim it down to fit it on the bread.

And delicious.

Back to the thread...

112 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:43:46am

Howdy folks. I hope everyone is having a great summer so far.

113 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:43:49am

re: #102 Cato the Elder

Honestly, for all his faults, I never figured he'd do that.

Bagua, if it's true, I'm extremely disappointed.

yeah, wtf?

114 McSpiff  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:44:01am

re: #106 LudwigVanQuixote

HE has a page up with screen shots of his fight with Ice and his banning on DoD. It has to be him, because all of his posts in the screenshots have a green header.

(Not sure if I'm allowed to do this so Charles if this breaks a rule, feel free to delete...)

Mind firing off a link to me? < username at LGF> @gmail.com

115 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:45:17am

re: #103 ralphieboy

re: #97 albusteve

Nope, and now it has Obama's imprint on it most personally. I think he realizes the need to come out swinging, as it is not going to let up.

Listen carefully to the allegations being made in Rep Kin's interview on the Shapiro show: there is blog fodder for ages, and it will make it into the news.

Fox is going to be starting a separate Sherrod Department by the end of the week and this is going to be a major riff in the ongoing dispute.

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm defending BO on this one, and I hate to see him mixing it up with the media...someone else, but not him....he has enough problems now with his image, and the media will cut him to pieces if they feel threatened by him...he has no wagons to circle, only his integrity, and he needn't get sucked into a slapfight I don't think he can win....the MSM is more powerful than he is

116 Cato the Elder  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:46:18am

re: #113 cliffster

yeah, wtf?

Seriously. He taught me many useful things on this blog, and his music contributions were impeccable.

But running to the Village to lick your wounds and garner praise from the likes of Rodan, Goddess, Savage, M, and Speranza?

Bagua, I consider that a personal betrayal.

117 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:47:06am

re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Quick personal note... just had a tomato sandwich... fresh tomato I picked yesterday. Seven inches across... had to trim it down to fit it on the bread.

And delicious.

Back to the thread...

Awesome! My tomatoes are starting to get ripe now. I have 24 plants.

118 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:49:15am

re: #114 McSpiff

(Not sure if I'm allowed to do this so Charles if this breaks a rule, feel free to delete...)

Mind firing off a link to me? < username at LGF> @gmail.com

Sent to you.

119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:49:37am

re: #117 NJDhockeyfan

My F-I-L has 60 plants. Then, he went out of town for three weeks on an old people's bus tour. It is up to me to keep them picked.

Picked fifteen pounds yesterday.

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:49:54am

re: #115 albusteve

I don't know what the answer is, but I'm defending BO on this one, and I hate to see him mixing it up with the media...someone else, but not him...he has enough problems now with his image, and the media will cut him to pieces if they feel threatened by him...he has no wagons to circle, only his integrity, and he needn't get sucked into a slapfight I don't think he can win...the MSM is more powerful than he is

I folowed the allegations made on that show and they include:

the claims filed under the lawsuit were "70 percent fraud"

that Sharrod and her husband profited personally through their "New Communities" organization.

That Sharrod, one of the parties who brought suit, was given a political appointment at the start of the Obama Administration.

Those are enough talking points to launch a thousand Fox diatribes and enough blog rants to crash the Internet.

And King himself brought up the old "40 acres and a mule" rant, that this is the spirit of retribution, blacks out claiming for the damages done to their ancestors from the descendants of slaveholders, etc.


If this ain't a mess, it'll do until the mess gets here.

121 b_sharp  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:50:14am

re: #64 reuven

I'm puzzled why people here are critical of those who say they fault lies mostly with those who fired her. Certainly, that's were the buck stops.

Why do so many people have trouble recognizing proximate and ultimate causes and knowing which is most important?

122 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:50:32am

re: #108 LudwigVanQuixote

I get that you are not interested. Yet, whenever I point out just how despicable these folks are in the mini blog, I get hundreds of clicks. You are simply outvoted.

yes, despicable...yet that is ancient news...as for clicks, not everyone is so vain about them

123 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:50:46am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My F-I-L has 60 plants. Then, he went out of town for three weeks on an old people's bus tour. It is up to me to keep them picked.

Picked fifteen pounds yesterday.

Nice! I have a lot of hot peppers growing too. Batch 8 of the hot sauce will be made in Sept.

124 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:51:00am

re: #104 ralphieboy

I was gonna ask how the stalkers are doing. Shall we set up our own blog to stalk them?

That seems awfully... recursive.

125 b_sharp  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:51:16am

re: #69 reuven

Except this wasn't a co-worker, it was a random blogger.

Irrelevant.

126 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:52:20am

re: #105 albusteve

makes sense on some level...it will take a hundred stories like this to clean up the MSM if that's even possible...I think govt and the media are inching closer and closer to each other, since the media cannot control it's urges to forward their own agenda...and nothing good will come of that

Where were you for most of the 20th century?

127 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:52:39am

re: #119 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My F-I-L has 60 plants. Then, he went out of town for three weeks on an old people's bus tour. It is up to me to keep them picked.

Picked fifteen pounds yesterday.

I'm drooling...those damned things are about impossible to grow out here in NM

128 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:53:36am

re: #126 Fozzie Bear

Where were you for most of the 20th century?

what do you care for?...go back to sleep if you can't contribute

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:55:05am

re: #127 albusteve

We had a very, very dry June here (virtually no precipitation). July picked up and we had four inches of rain in two days... fucking garden went nuts!

130 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:57:00am

re: #128 albusteve

what do you care for?...go back to sleep if you can't contribute

My point is that the gov't had much more direct control over the media for most of the 20th century than it has now. The fairness doctrine isn't a new idea, it was a policy that was in effect until the 80's.

131 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:58:10am

re: #120 ralphieboy

I folowed the allegations made on that show and they include:

the claims filed under the lawsuit were "70 percent fraud"

that Sharrod and her husband profited personally through their "New Communities" organization.

That Sharrod, one of the parties who brought suit, was given a political appointment at the start of the Obama Administration.

Those are enough talking points to launch a thousand Fox diatribes and enough blog rants to crash the Internet.

And King himself brought up the old "40 acres and a mule" rant, that this is the spirit of retribution, blacks out claiming for the damages done to their ancestors from the descendants of slaveholders, etc.

If this ain't a mess, it'll do until the mess gets here.

agreed...every controversy is a launching pad for OO...a medium sized fire can get blown into a epic firestorm...lots of agendas to consider...it will probably not go away on it's own

132 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 11:59:22am

re: #130 Fozzie Bear

My point is that the gov't had much more direct control over the media for most of the 20th century than it has now. The fairness doctrine isn't a new idea, it was a policy that was in effect until the 80's.

you point is lost inside your snide bull shit

133 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:00:44pm

re: #132 albusteve

you point is lost inside your snide bull shit

My apologies, I tend to get snide with people who apparently don't know their history. Ignorance gets under my skin.

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:01:31pm

re: #131 albusteve

agreed...every controversy is a launching pad for OO...a medium sized fire can get blown into a epic firestorm...lots of agendas to consider...it will probably not go away on it's own

No, that first video was all a well-calculated first step in what is gonna be a plug-ugly shootin' war.

Now that she has been rehired, they will start feeding all the ugliest facts they can find on the Pigford Farms case - a fitting name given the nature of what they have already started flinging.

135 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:02:17pm

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We had a very, very dry June here (virtually no precipitation). July picked up and we had four inches of rain in two days... fucking garden went nuts!

you have to have a trickle water system here...dumping water at the surface does not work because soils are to sandy and it's just too hot...if you build beds, trick up the soil, and trickle the roots with water everyday, then you can grow tomatoes...a lot of work, but of course, people do it

136 albusteve  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:04:17pm

re: #133 Fozzie Bear

My apologies, I tend to get snide with people who apparently don't know their history. Ignorance gets under my skin.

I was not alluding to any aspect of history...reply to the post itself, not what you presume it should say...thank me later

137 cliffster  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:11:21pm

re: #135 albusteve

you have to have a trickle water system here...dumping water at the surface does not work because soils are to sandy and it's just too hot...if you build beds, trick up the soil, and trickle the roots with water everyday, then you can grow tomatoes...a lot of work, but of course, people do it

That's what I did and it's really not that much work. And it makes it incredibly easy to water from then on. Just turn water on, then a little while later turn it off. It's the nasty heat of the south texas summer, and I've still got tomatoes rollin' in.

138 Ericus58  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 12:22:09pm

Bagua.....

*sigh*

139 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Jul 22, 2010 10:55:43pm

re: #77 ralphieboy

I fear that shotguns are being locked and loaded all over the south as we speak...

You're probably right, but there's no telling who the shotgun owners are going after. Them good ol' boys don't like black folks much, but they dislike people who use them and try to make them like like idiots even more.

To a lot of rural white people, the "them" in their lives isn't their fellow rural folks who are black, but rather the "city slickers".

re: #111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Quick personal note... just had a tomato sandwich... fresh tomato I picked yesterday. Seven inches across... had to trim it down to fit it on the bread.

And delicious.

Back to the thread...

I'm not big on raw tomatoes, but damn, if it makes you that happy, it improves my mood.

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

Howdy folks. I hope everyone is having a great summer so far.

Except for the usual lack of romance, I have no complaint. Staying busy and mostly out of trouble. Hope yours is going as well or better.


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