Revoking John Bolton’s Award

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In 2006, LGF readers voted to give the Anti-Idiotarian Award to former UN ambassador John Bolton, largely because of his passionate support of the US and Israel in the frequently hostile environment of the United Nations.

I feel slightly sad to announce that today, as the proprietor of LGF, I’m revoking that award. And when I say “slightly sad,” I mean “very disgusted with John Bolton.”

It was bad enough that Bolton actually wrote the foreword for hate monger Pamela Geller’s anti-Obama “book.” But the final straw was the announcement by Geller that Bolton will be speaking at her anti-Muslim rally.

John Bolton is no “anti-idiotarian.” He’s lent his credibility to a nasty un-American cause, organized and run by people who are insane with hatred and obsessed with conspiracy delusions.

Mr. Bolton, you should be ashamed of your disgraceful behavior, and for dishonoring the office you once held. We’re taking back our award. You do not deserve it.

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321 comments
1 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:15:02pm

The right wing is dancing to Geller’s tune. Sad, but true.

2 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:15:18pm

Who was the runner-up from 2006?

3 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:16:31pm

An official who represents America, needs to represent American liberties.

4 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:17:46pm

re: #2 Alouette

Who was the runner-up from 2006?

I forget. I kinda stopped paying close attention when Ayaan Hirsi Ali was out of the running.

5 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:17:54pm

re: #2 Alouette

Who was the runner-up from 2006?

Mark Steyn

6 JeffM70  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:18:05pm

He never deserved it to begin with. So what if he supported Israel? The man was a war-monger and a chickenhawk.

7 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:18:58pm

re: #6 JeffM70

He never deserved it to begin with. So what if he supported Israel? The man was a war-monger and a chickenhawk.

He’s currently saying Israel needs to bomb Iran ASAP.

8 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:20:56pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Mark Steyn

I’m not such a big fan of Mark Steyn anymore.

How about we give the award to Jon Stewart?

9 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:21:00pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Mark Steyn

Oh my, how things have changed around here..

10 JeffM70  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:21:26pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He’s currently saying Israel needs to bomb Iran ASAP.

He’s been praying and calling for that for at least the last two years. The man is a menace to peace and society. It’s no wonder Pamela Gellar loves him.

11 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:21:34pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Stuck Mojo was in the running? The rap-metal band?

12 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:22:16pm

re: #6 JeffM70

He never deserved it to begin with. So what if he supported Israel? The man was a war-monger and a chickenhawk.

At the time, he did deserve and earn that award.

By embracing Geller, et al, it is only as of late that he has lost some of his luster and credibility.

Krauthammer may have been on the wrong side of the Cordoba House issue but he is a far cry from Bolton who has aligned himself with the likes of the looneys.

13 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:22:19pm

re: #11 WindUpBird

Stuck Mojo was in the running? The rap-metal band?

Memes come and go.

14 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:23:23pm

re: #11 WindUpBird

Stuck Mojo was in the running? The rap-metal band?

They had an anti-terrorist song “Open Season” that was quite popular here for a while.

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:23:59pm

re: #11 WindUpBird

Stuck Mojo was in the running? The rap-metal band?

All the nominations came from readers, as well as the final vote.

16 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:24:35pm

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Memes come and go.

I guess!

I remember hearing them on a Century Media compilation (a metal label that a lot of music I like is on) YEARS ago. Not…really my thing.

17 Yashmak  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:26:28pm

Dammit. It saddens me to hear this.

It was so refreshing to see an American official take a hard stand for US interests in the UN.

Now this :(

18 S'latch  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:26:55pm

Not that it shouldn’t be done, but shouldn’t it be done democratically?

19 JeffM70  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:27:35pm

re: #12 researchok

At the time, he did deserve and earn that award.

By embracing Geller, et al, it is only as of late that he has lost some of his luster and credibility.

Krauthammer may have been on the wrong side of the Cordoba House issue but he is a far cry from Bolton who has aligned himself with the likes of the looneys.

Here’s a link to Atlas Shrugs from March 2006. She crows about Bolton reading her blog. He wasn’t deserving then. He isn’t deserving now. Support for Israel doesn’t trump his war-mongering.

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com…]

20 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:29:54pm

I’m more than willing to receive this vacated award from 2006…I would like to thank the Academy for recognizing pure genius…
I also won the Time Magazine Person of the year award in 2006.
[Link: www.time.com…]

21 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:31:53pm

re: #19 JeffM70

Here’s a link to Atlas Shrugs from March 2006. She crows about Bolton reading her blog. He wasn’t deserving then. He isn’t deserving now. Support for Israel doesn’t trump his war-mongering.

[Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com…]

The award was given by readers of this blog and not because of what Geller had to say.

As Charles noted Bolton was at one time a “largely because of his passionate support of the US and Israel in the frequently hostile environment of the United Nations”.

22 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:32:54pm

re: #20 HoosierHoops

I got that Time award too. Too bad I remember vividly throwing it over the railing at the Time Warner Center…

In other news, Iran is going to be revealing its latest weapons systems next week during its usual parade (circus) of military antics. Expect the usual antics with photo editing when things don’t go nearly as well as the regime wants.

23 darthstar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:33:02pm

I read the title as “Revolting John Bolton’s Award” and thought, what award is revolting John Bolton getting now?

24 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:34:09pm

re: #15 Charles

All the nominations came from readers, as well as the final vote.

I’m reminded of a scene from a movie about Lincoln..
Lincoln, to the members of his cabinet: All opposed, say Nay.
(All the cabinet members indicate Nay.)
Lincoln: All in favor, say Aye.
(Lincoln raises his hand, saying Aye.)
And Lincoln adds: The Ayes have it.

25 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:34:16pm

Sigh, another one goes bananas.

26 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:37:30pm

I never thought I would see the day that John Bolton and Harry Reid agreed on something. As the world turns.

27 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:39:10pm

John Bolton has served the US and Israeli interests quite well in a hostile environment. He’s been candid, frank and intelligent in his opinions - which hasn’t always been in agreement with others in the world politic or even here in the US.

But this is a sad chapter in his involvements.
I’m very disappointed.

28 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:41:00pm

This is the kind of populist pandering that got Blagojevich elected.
Twice.

*sits ashamed Illinoisan arse back down*

29 Happy4LA  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:42:10pm

John Bolton —“I go to parties sometimes until four. It’s hard to leave when you can’t find the door. It’s tough to handle this fortune and fame. Everybody’s so different, I haven’t changed.”.

30 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:53:53pm

re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He’s currently saying Israel needs to bomb Iran ASAP.

Like in the next 8 days….
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]

31 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:54:11pm

No present or former high office or title will ever guarantuee a man from one day just coming out of the bigotry closet.

Well done, Charles.

32 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:54:47pm

re: #31 000G

No present or former high office or title will ever guarantuee a man from one day just coming out of the bigotry closet.

That should read: “from not”.

33 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:57:29pm

With CNP seeming to own the GOP lock, stock, and barrel, I don’t find myself surprised anymore.

34 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:58:35pm

John Bolton just made Rick Sanchez’ “Most Intriguing Person” today for his statement that Israel must attack Iran immediately - within three days, because he doesn’t think that President Obama will make a pre-emptive strike.

[Link: www.jpost.com…]

Former US ambassador to the UN John Bolton said he didn’t see “any signs whatsoever that President Obama would make the necessary decision” to strike Iran’s nuclear reactor, speaking in an interview with Israel Radio Tuesday.

Bolton claimed Israel has only three days to strike before Russia “begins the fueling process for the Bushehr reactor this Friday,” after which any attack would cause radioactive fallout that could reach as far as the waters of the Persian Gulf.

In an interview with Fox Business Network earlier Tuesday Bolton had said the deadline was eight days, but he revised it to three in the Israel Radio interview, saying Iran and Russia had announced they would begin fueling on Friday.

35 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:59:21pm

re: #34 RadicalModerate

Intriguing! Not really the word I’d use…

36 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:59:43pm

Ironically, the award at the time was known as the “Oriana”, and this morning “oriana fan” got blocked.

37 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:00:17pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Ironically, the award at the time was known as the “Oriana”, and this morning “oriana fan” got blocked.

And, good work Charles on both revocations.

38 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:01:05pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Ironically, the award at the time was known as the “Oriana”, and this morning “oriana fan” got blocked.


Well, that’s a shame! I’m going to miss all the handwringing on days-old threads

39 wiffersnapper  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:01:59pm

nooooooo

40 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:02:02pm

re: #38 WindUpBird

Well, that’s a shame! I’m going to miss all the handwringing on days-old threads

But what about the unforeseen repercussions of such hasty actions?

/You mean like that?

41 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:02:41pm

re: #38 WindUpBird

Well, that’s a shame! I’m going to miss all the handwringing on days-old threads

Don’t fret. We seem to have an endless supply of dead-thread savers of the world.

42 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:02:47pm

And another one of my heroes bites the dust. I’ll add him to the list.

Max’s Heroes

1. Norman Podhoretz
2. Thomas Sowell
3. Thomas Freidman
4. Andrew Sullivan
5. Rudy Giuliani
6. John Bolton
7. Super Chicken

Way to go guys.

43 zendette  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:03:36pm

Bolton should keep the award. He won it fair and square based on the LGF readership at the time. Of course it’s Charles’ place, so he get t make the rules.

Maybe we can use the history and changes here as events unfold as sort of a record of opinion following 2001. This place has changed a lot over the years, but so has the world.

44 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:04:30pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

Don’t fret. We seem to have an endless supply of dead-thread savers of the world.

Maybe their rhetorical whinge loops could be harnessed to run the server!

45 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:05:21pm

Latest breaking news.. Brett Farve been in the air taking off at 2:15pm today from Mississippi to the Vikings Camp…Arrives in 30 minutes

46 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:05:39pm

re: #42 Max D. Reinhardt

Thankfully Dave Wyndorf is probably not going to start writing forewords to anti-Muslim screeds, so my hero is safe

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:06:23pm

re: #45 HoosierHoops

Latest breaking news.. Brett Farve been in the air taking off at 2:15pm today from Mississippi to the Vikings Camp…Arrives in 30 minutes

Knew he was coming back, was just a matter of time.

48 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:06:37pm

re: #43 zendette

Bolton should keep the award. He won it fair and square based on the LGF readership at the time. Of course it’s Charles’ place, so he get t make the rules.

Maybe we can use the history and changes here as events unfold as sort of a record of opinion following 2001. This place has changed a lot over the years, but so has the world.

Pfff, world changes? Whoever heard of such a silly concept? Nothing on Earth has ever changed in the 5000 years its been around.
/

49 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:07:36pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

Thankfully Dave Wyndorf is probably not going to start writing forewords to anti-Muslim screeds, so my hero is safe

My heroes are all fictional characters. Safer that way.

50 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:07:37pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

At least I’ve still got Super Chicken.

51 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:07:53pm

re: #42 Max D. Reinhardt

You knew the job was dangerous when you took it. bok bawk!

52 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:08:03pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Pfff, world changes? Whoever heard of such a silly concept? Nothing on Earth has ever changed in the 5000 years its been around.
/

“What? You mean people don’t listen to Tumbuk3 anymore?”

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:08:27pm

re: #49 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

My heroes are all fictional characters. Safer that way.

Lotta mine are dead. My political heroes that is by and large.

54 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:09:07pm

Turkish guards capture Palestinian at embassy

Security guards captured a Palestinian who broke into the Turkish Embassy in Israel Tuesday trying to take hostages and demanding asylum, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a statement.

The attacker, wounded by gunfire, was still inside the building six hours after he broke in, with Israeli police and rescue services kept outside by Turkish officials.

“Our embassy guards neutralized the individual as he tried to take the vice consul as hostage after shouting around for asylum,” the statement said, adding he was armed with a knife, a gasoline can and a gun that turned out to be a toy.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor identified the attacker as Nadim Injaz, a Palestinian from the West Bank town of Ramallah. Israeli police said Injaz was recently released from prison after serving time for an attack on the British Embassy four years ago to seek asylum.

55 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:09:33pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

Actually Harry Truman and George W. Bush should be on there too. Both of them are still my heroes.

56 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:09:55pm

re: #43 zendette

Bolton should keep the award. He won it fair and square based on the LGF readership at the time. Of course it’s Charles’ place, so he get t make the rules.

Maybe we can use the history and changes here as events unfold as sort of a record of opinion following 2001. This place has changed a lot over the years, but so has the world.

This comment is an interesting view of that dynamic.

57 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:10:35pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

OT: Saw this on the news last week, and was immediately reminded of you and the story behind your username :)

Seagull impaled on Nova Scotia church rescued

58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:11:18pm

re: #55 Max D. Reinhardt

Actually Harry Truman and George W. Bush should be on there too. Both of them are still my heroes.

Truman for the win. My favorite president.

59 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:11:48pm

Want to really piss off the wingnuts?
Give it to Michelle Obama

60 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:11:56pm

re: #57 publicityStunted

OT: Saw this on the news last week, and was immediately reminded of you and the story behind your username :)

Seagull impaled on Nova Scotia church rescued

“The eagle has landed,” announced a dispatcher as the bird was brought down and transferred to a cardboard box.

Love it!!

61 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:13:13pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Knew he was coming back, was just a matter of time.


Tomorrow will be the one year anniversary When Brett showed up at Training camp last year…The Drama Queen is arriving in 15 minutes..Please put your seat in the upright position..

62 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:13:51pm

re: #59 Rightwingconspirator

Want to really piss off the wingnuts?
Give it to Michelle Obama

I take that back. I would nominate the nice woman that Andrew Brietbart et. al. did such a number on. Shirley Sherrod. On the strength of her speech.

63 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:14:29pm

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator

I take that back. I would nominate the nice woman that Andrew Brietbart et. al. did such a number on. Shirley Sherrod. On the strength of her speech.

Ditto.

64 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:14:46pm

re: #58 HappyWarrior

Truman for the win. My favorite president.

I know why I love Truman, why do you?

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:16:24pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

This comment is an interesting view of that dynamic.

I come to it from a somewhat different perspective. I found the Lizards, even as early as 2007 or so, very interesting, and liked Charles’ articles and links, but found the commentariat as a whole horrifyingly smug, intolerant, and obsessed with the evil and stupidity of liberals. (This is not to say that anyone here now was ever like that folks, please remain calm.)

I joined because it was a safe place on the Internet for a battered Israel supporter.

Watching the election was like watching people go insane. I had first thought it would be very interesting to observe an election from a mostly Republican viewpoint, not something I get in my daily life, but people were, as far as I could tell, losing their ever-loving minds.

And then things started to shift, rather quickly.

66 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:16:57pm

re: #64 Max D. Reinhardt

I know why I love Truman, why do you?


Lotta reasons honestly, I like that he put ahead past prejudices to desegerate the military and to support the state of Israel at its inception. Stood up strongly for what he believed in too.

67 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:18:21pm

I’d like to nominate President George W. Bush for the 2006 anti-idiotarian award, for finally firing Donald Rumsfeld, who’s “light footprint” strategy almost led to defeat in Iraq.

68 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:19:20pm

re: #45 HoosierHoops

Latest breaking news.. Brett Farve been in the air taking off at 2:15pm today from Mississippi to the Vikings Camp…Arrives in 30 minutes

HOOHAH! Of course this means I have to be a Vikings fan for one more season and there is a certain discomfort to this. :) I want a Packers/Vikings NFC Conference Championship, then Favre gets one more ring & retires for real. Rodgers can get his first one next season LOL

69 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:20:33pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

wow.. that comment is almost a year old, too. i think things have gotten even worse now a days.

70 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:22:34pm

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator
I don’t think she was active in 2006. Any renomination must be of someone actively Anti-Idiotarian in that year, surely ?

71 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:22:34pm

re: #43 zendette

Bolton should keep the award. He won it fair and square based on the LGF readership at the time. Of course it’s Charles’ place, so he get t make the rules.

Maybe we can use the history and changes here as events unfold as sort of a record of opinion following 2001. This place has changed a lot over the years, but so has the world.

After back grounding Bolton a bit more and coming to the realization that he only supports Israel because he views it as his Christian Armageddon machine I don’t have issue with revoking my vote for him.

72 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:23:40pm

re: #70 Pass The Moonbaticide


I don’t think she was active in 2006. Any renomination must be of someone actively Anti-Idiotarian in that year, surely ?

Good point.

73 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:24:51pm

Dengue fever increases in Florida

The number of dengue fever cases, a mosquito-borne disease that can cause mild to serious symptoms and even death, has increased this month, according to the Florida Department of Health.

While dengue fever has not caused any deaths in Florida this year, health officials asked residents to take precautions such as wearing protective clothing, using mosquito repellents and draining still water near the home, like the water in bird baths, to prevent the pests from breeding.

Dengue fever is common in the tropics and can cause symptoms like high fever, rash, severe bleeding and even death. The recent outbreak in Florida has puzzled local health authorities, who say the last outbreak occurred in 1934.

Officials said that 29 locally acquired cases of dengue fever have been reported through mid-August. The state officials also detected 67 “imported” cases of dengue fever, which means it involved people who had traveled to areas under a dengue endemic, such as the Caribbean or Central and South America.

74 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:27:08pm

re: #68 wlewisiii

HOOHAH! Of course this means I have to be a Vikings fan for one more season and there is a certain discomfort to this. :) I want a Packers/Vikings NFC Conference Championship, then Favre gets one more ring & retires for real. Rodgers can get his first one next season LOL

I call Brett a Drama Queen…I have never seen anybody like him..How that old man still can play Football better than almost anybody in the world..He is amazing…A 2 hour plane flight turns a so-so team into a possible Superbowl Champion..Just amazing

75 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:30:19pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

You had me at “I found the Lizards”.

that, and “losing their ever-loving minds”.

I’ve had some changes myself. I like it here.

76 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:30:22pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

Dengue fever increases in Florida

Another pandemic… (run around, wildly waving hands)… first the swine flu and now this… just in time for…

77 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:31:03pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

I come to it from a somewhat different perspective. I found the Lizards, even as early as 2007 or so, very interesting, and liked Charles’ articles and links, but found the commentariat as a whole horrifyingly smug, intolerant, and obsessed with the evil and stupidity of liberals. (This is not to say that anyone here now was ever like that folks, please remain calm.)

I joined because it was a safe place on the Internet for a battered Israel supporter.

Watching the election was like watching people go insane. I had first thought it would be very interesting to observe an election from a mostly Republican viewpoint, not something I get in my daily life, but people were, as far as I could tell, losing their ever-loving minds.

And then things started to shift, rather quickly.

I looked at the comments from the article linked at the top. I didn’t comment much back then, but I have one on that thread (not endorsing Bolton, thank goodness). I think I must have done an awful lot of fast scrolling in those times.

The large number of bannings has sort of sculpted LGF into a reasonable place. Charles was wrongly criticized for banning so many. All the bannees deserved it, IMHO. I try to show my support for Stinky every time he swings the stick, to counter the criticism.

78 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:31:24pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Another pandemic… (run around, wildly waving hands)… first the swine flu and now this… just in time for…

SARS!

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:31:55pm

re: #74 HoosierHoops

I call Brett a Drama Queen…I have never seen anybody like him..How that old man still can play Football better than almost anybody in the world..He is amazing…A 2 hour plane flight turns a so-so team into a possible Superbowl Champion..Just amazing

He is a DQ, And his skill at the inteception is also second to none … :eek: That said, there is no one I enjoy watching more when his game is on. I remember his first pass - deflected, caught by him & officially -7 yards… I saw the game when Majkowski went down & he pulled out the win despite 4 fumbles… No one else like him in the game, before or since.

80 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:32:32pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Dengue fever isn’t a pandemic situation. It’s mosquito-borne— totally different.

This is a result of increased temperatures increasing the range of the mosquitoes.

We’ll see more like this.

81 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:33:34pm

re: #80 Obdicut

Dengue fever isn’t a pandemic situation. It’s mosquito-borne— totally different.

This is a result of increased temperatures increasing the range of the mosquitoes.

We’ll see more like this.

Bingo!

82 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:33:44pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Mark Steyn

Ah yes…the guy who can’t understand why so many people regard Rush Limbaugh as an incorrigible racist.

83 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:33:52pm

re: #80 Obdicut

This is a result of increased temperatures increasing the range of the mosquitoes.

Wait… huh?

84 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:36:59pm

re: #83 allegro

Wait… huh?

As the habitat and conditions change to allow a better and larger breeding area for mosquitoes, it means diseases they carry will also have a better and larger area they affect.

85 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:37:37pm

re: #83 allegro

Wait… huh?

The mosquitoes— Aedes aegypti— can’t survive outside a certain temperature band.

That temperature band is now creeping North.

Thus, increase in dengue fever.

86 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:38:08pm

How about we give his award to Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow?

87 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:38:59pm

re: #86 Jetpilot1101

Olbermann— no way. Maddow would definitely be a candidate, though I think she’s gotten a couple of leads from LGF that she hasn’t credited.

I think Shirley Sherrod is a great choice.

88 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:39:07pm

re: #83 allegro

Wait… huh?

It’s not the range, per se, it’s the length of the breeding season. The longer they (mosquitoes) can breed unimpeded by frost, the more likely it is that mosquito-borne diseases can gain a foothold.

Sure, Canada has mosquitoes in the summer, but malaria doesn’t spread outside tropical areas. Make sense?

89 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:39:38pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

As the habitat and conditions change to allow a better and larger breeding area for mosquitoes, it means diseases they carry will also have a better and larger area they affect.

Oh I get that, but the Dengue fever carrying mosquitoes are already found through out most of the tropics and subtropics and an issue of being transported to already hospitable climates, not one of climate change. Climate change can’t be blamed for current outbreaks, I don’t think. That’s what I was questioning.

90 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:39:44pm

re: #86 Jetpilot1101

How about we give his award to Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow?

*Waves hand*
You will give it to me.

91 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:41:15pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

Mark Steyn

Wow. This place has changed drastically. For the better I might add.

92 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:41:47pm

re: #88 Fozzie Bear

It’s not the range, per se, it’s the length of the breeding season. The longer they (mosquitoes) can breed unimpeded by frost, the more likely it is that mosquito-borne diseases can gain a foothold.

Sure, Canada has mosquitoes in the summer, but malaria doesn’t spread outside tropical areas. Make sense?

No, Fozzie, in this case only Aedes aegypti spread dengue. No other species of mosquito carries it, at least with any frequency. Dengue fever maps strictly to Aedes aegypti populations, which are constrained by temperature (though it’s really about a bacterial environment they need for breeding.)

[Link: www.microscopy-uk.org.uk…]

93 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:42:55pm

re: #89 allegro

That’s possible, I guess, but what had stopped the transportation up until now?

Let me see if I can find any papers on this.

94 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:43:51pm

re: #92 Obdicut

No, Fozzie, in this case only Aedes aegypti spread dengue. No other species of mosquito carries it, at least with any frequency. Dengue fever maps strictly to Aedes aegypti populations, which are constrained by temperature (though it’s really about a bacterial environment they need for breeding.)

[Link: www.microscopy-uk.org.uk…]

Ahh, ok. So, is this species (Aedes aegypti) not tolerant of colder climates?

95 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:45:07pm

And the craziness starts getting worse:

Gunman dead after opening fire outside McKinney Police Department

Normally I wouldn’t make any special note of stories like this, except for a couple of things that caught my attention:

The first, which only was broadcast a few minutes ago, so no link yet, was that the vehicle that the suspected shooter drove to the police station was laden with weapons and ammunition.

The second -

A witness told WFAA-TV (Channel 8) that he was driving by the police station with his wife and son shortly after 9 a.m. when he saw the gunman wearing a bulletproof vest and shooting at a campus police car.

“He was just really standing out in the middle of a field … shooting at vehicles when they would drive by,” said the man, who asked not to be named.

The guy apparently lived in a manufactured housing area in a rural Collin County town (about 40 miles north of Dallas), and was considered a “quiet guy” who also fired weapons into the air on Christmas and the Fourth of July.

96 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:45:24pm

re: #93 Obdicut

That’s possible, I guess, but what had stopped the transportation up until now?

Aedes aegypti is a disease vector only when infected with a disease. I would suspect the current disease source is an infected someone who was or is here who got bit and sucked on, thus spreading it through the available vector.

97 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:46:06pm

re: #94 Fozzie Bear

Ahh, ok. So, is this species (Aedes aegypti) not tolerant of colder climates?

Not so far, but adaptation happens quickly in insects.

98 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:46:08pm

A rally at ground zero?

But a spokesman for Gingrich, Joe DeSantis, says Gingrich “is not scheduled to be at this rally. He is not speaking.”

Other groups say they’re planning a rally this Sunday, Aug. 22, against the mosque at the same site, though it’s unclear how large that will be.

UPDATE: The U.S. correspondent for Dutch Public Television, Eelco Bosch van Rosenthal, e-mails that two other listed speakers, Andrew Breitbart and John Bolton, said they’d actually taped videos. Wilders, meanwhile, is planning to come, despite fears from parties with whom he’s in political negotiations that he’ll say something to damage relations between the Netherlands and the U.S.

But Wilders’ latest tweet says, in van Rosenthal’s translation, “I booked a flight and a hotel. Great feeling. Important speech. No one can stop me. No mosque at ground zero!”

Looks like Wilders will be the only one to attend in person.

99 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:46:12pm

Did anyone here read Mark Steyn’s book America Alone?

If so, I’d like to know what y’all thought of it.

100 theheat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:46:49pm

Maybe Jon Stewart of Rachel Maddow can find a place on their mantel for it since Bolton’s gone all True Conservative™ and Real Amercian™.

101 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:47:37pm

re: #42 Max D. Reinhardt

And another one of my heroes bites the dust. I’ll add him to the list.

Max’s Heroes

1. Norman Podhoretz
2. Thomas Sowell
3. Thomas Freidman
4. Andrew Sullivan
5. Rudy Giuliani
6. John Bolton
7. Super Chicken

Way to go guys.

Out of curiosity what have Sullivan and Freidman done to lose your admiration?

102 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:47:58pm

re: #94 Fozzie Bear

Ahh, ok. So, is this species (Aedes aegypti) not tolerant of colder climates?

They need between 10 and 44 C, but Allegro is onto something, but not quite:

[Link: www.mosquitocatalog.org…]
re: #96 allegro

Aedes aegypti is a disease vector only when infected with a disease. I would suspect the current disease source is an infected someone who was or is here who got bit and sucked on, thus spreading it through the available vector.

See the above paper. It appears, from that, that increased temperature decreases incubation time of the disease in the mosquito itself. Really interesting.

103 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:48:07pm

re: #91 recusancy

Wow. This place has changed drastically. For the better I might add.

In 2006 most were hiding their BS under a “we’re only against Jihad and Terrorism” facade that only later was revealed to be false. Others simply got caught up in the kook-right’s post-2008 groupthink and got pulled over the edge.

104 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:48:22pm

re: #102 Obdicut

Here’s that paper— sorry for broken link.

[Link: www.mosquitocatalog.org…]

105 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:48:32pm

re: #96 allegro

Aedes aegypti is a disease vector only when infected with a disease. I would suspect the current disease source is an infected someone who was or is here who got bit and sucked on, thus spreading it through the available vector.

It could be a combination of factors. With the imported cases, and given its Florida, people working the Haiti relief effort might have brought it back and with a more viable habitat than in previous years, allowed for a wider spread and propagation.

106 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:50:14pm

re: #100 theheat
Out of interest, how do you get that ‘TM’ superscript ?
Please tell … I’d like to use it myself occasionally.

107 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:50:46pm

re: #104 Obdicut

Very interesting. Thanks.

108 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:50:54pm

re: #80 Obdicut

Dengue fever isn’t a pandemic situation. It’s mosquito-borne— totally different.

This is a result of increased temperatures increasing the range of the mosquitoes.

We’ll see more like this.

So.. big fucking deal, I was making a sarcastic comment, not hosting a medical show on the Discovery Channel.

109 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:51:38pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

So.. big fucking deal, I was making a sarcastic comment, not hosting a medical show on the Discovery Channel.

That would be awesome, actually…

110 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:51:45pm

re: #106 Pass The Moonbaticide


Out of interest, how do you get that ‘TM’ superscript ?
Please tell … I’d like to use it myself occasionally.

™ or Hold down ALT and type 0153 on the key pad (if you have a PC and not a mac).

111 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:52:42pm

re: #108 Walter L. Newton

So.. big fucking deal, I was making a sarcastic comment, not hosting a medical show on the Discovery Channel.

Temper, temper.

112 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:55:38pm

re: #101 recusancy

Out of curiosity what have Sullivan and Freidman done to lose your admiration?

Thomas Friedman’s gushing over China turned me off a while back.

I was unhappy with Sullivan after he endorsed John Kerry in 2004. But his demonization of Israel, especially during Operation Cast Lead and the Gaza Flotilla stunt, repulsed me and made me lose all faith in him.

113 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:55:47pm

Apparently right after the Haiti quake, the CDC and various health services put out an alert telling anyone going to the region be on the look out for Dengue Fever. We’re seeing the fall out of that.

114 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:55:48pm

re: #110 ArchangelMichael
Giving it a try …

115 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:56:38pm

re: #114 Pass The Moonbaticide
Hmmm … What did I do wrong ?

116 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:56:59pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

A rally at ground zero?

Looks like Wilders will be the only one to attend in person.

If they’re were any justice, a sudden plague of locusts that would attack the rostrum and the audience would be quite poetic…

117 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:58:11pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently right after the Haiti quake, the CDC and various health services put out an alert telling anyone going to the region be on the look out for Dengue Fever. We’re seeing the fall out of that.

Now, that makes considerable sense. The climate change thingie… not so much. At least not yet.

118 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:58:18pm

re: #115 Pass The Moonbaticide


Hmmm … What did I do wrong ?

If you want something to look like this LGF™

type out: “LGF™” I’m pretty sure it needs the “;” at the end.

119 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:58:23pm

re: #115 Pass The Moonbaticide


Hmmm … What did I do wrong ?

I don’t know™

Did you hold down the Alt key while typing 0153 on the number pad™?

120 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:58:27pm

re: #109 Varek Raith

That would be awesome, actually…

Your Health with Dr. Walter… ;-P

121 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:59:37pm

re: #120 talon_262

Your Health with Dr. Walter… ;-P

Hopefully episode 1 would be an all out assault on anti-vax kooks.

122 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:00:19pm

Oriana Fallaci would most definitely qualify as an all out anti Islam (not just radical Islam) bigot.

123 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:00:35pm

re: #99 Max D. Reinhardt

Did anyone here read Mark Steyn’s book America Alone?

If so, I’d like to know what y’all thought of it.

I read it. A very silly book that could be harmful to the reason of anyone who accepts his premises.

124 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:00:53pm

re: #119 Varek Raith
Does it have to be a number pad, like on PCs ? I’m on a laptop,
so no separate key numbers - I’m using the ones above the QWERTY Top Line.

125 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:01:16pm

re: #117 allegro

Well, they are very, very temperature sensitive, and so is the bacteria that they rely on in order to do their egg-laying. I wouldn’t discount warmer temperatures being part of this even in terms of mosquito population, as well as this more interesting viral efficacy at higher temperatures.

I hadn’t thought of the Haiti stuff, though, that makes a lot of sense.

126 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:01:39pm

re: #123 jaunte

Sometimes I eat Cheetos, too, but I don’t think of them as food.

127 Buck  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:01:42pm

re: #6 JeffM70

He never deserved it to begin with. So what if he supported Israel? The man was a war-monger and a chickenhawk.

Wow, that many updings? It is sad that you can find that much support for maligning Bolton’s service and past.

I am not saying that his current position isn’t disappointing, but in 2006 as UN ambassador he stood out as truth in a building full of deceit.

128 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:01:59pm

re: #117 allegro

Now, that makes considerable sense. The climate change thingie… not so much. At least not yet.

Normally, if one were exposed to the disease in Haiti, they would bring it back and there would be a limited chance of infecting others because the climate would hinder the normal disease vectors, in this case, mosquitoes. With a larger mosquito populations and a climate the disease itself can thrive in, it means you’re going to see a lot more cases of secondary infections from the imported cases.

129 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:02:01pm

re: #124 Pass The Moonbaticide


Does it have to be a number pad, like on PCs ? I’m on a laptop,
so no separate key numbers - I’m using the ones above the QWERTY Top Line.

ah, that would be the problem. just copy paste? ™

130 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:02:26pm

re: #124 Pass The Moonbaticide


Does it have to be a number pad, like on PCs ? I’m on a laptop,
so no separate key numbers - I’m using the ones above the QWERTY Top Line.

Yes, it has to be the number pad keys.
◕ ◡ ◕

131 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:02:29pm

“I’ll try again&trade”

132 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:03:21pm

re: #123 jaunte

I read it. A very silly book that could be harmful to the reason of anyone who accepts his premises.

I’ve read it, among other Eurabian theory books like While Europe Slept, the latter I enjoyed more. There’s a lot of propaganda out there, like that Changing Demographics video, but I really can’t decide if it’s an accurate theory or not.

133 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:03:35pm

re: #122 recusancy

Oriana Fallaci would most definitely qualify as an all out anti Islam (not just radical Islam) bigot.

A deceased one.

134 Pass The Moonbaticide  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:03:47pm

re: #131 Pass The Moonbaticide
Still no.

135 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:03:55pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And the paper above says that higher temperatures equals shorter incubation time for the disease in the mosquito, meaning faster transmission.

Bad combo.

This is all reminding me that the main thing I miss about San Francisco is the weather. New York in the summer is hot, muggy, and stinks.

It’s really funny seeing these fancy Upper East Side restaurants with outside patios— that are ten feet away from a pile of garbage bags.

136 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:05:40pm

re: #127 Buck

Wow, that many updings? It is sad that you can find that much support for maligning Bolton’s service and past.

I am not saying that his current position isn’t disappointing, but in 2006 as UN ambassador he stood out as truth in a building full of deceit.

And then we found out, as with many of the high-profile people on the right, his seemingly commonsensical stances on matters such as Islamism and Israel were but shiny veneers, laid over a foundation that was rotten to the core.

137 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:05:56pm

re: #133 wrenchwench

A deceased one.

Yes. But this post kind of signifies the marked difference in this site between then and now. It wasn’t just the “commenters”.

138 AntonSirius  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:06:23pm

re: #120 talon_262

Your Health with Dr. Walter… ;-P

Sweetberry wine!

139 garhighway  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:06:58pm

re: #127 Buck

in 2006 as UN ambassador he stood out as truth in a building full of deceit.

Talk about grading on a curve.

140 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:07:05pm

Just watched last nights Daily Show….Wyatt Cenac on a Muslim lady who was turned down to be a foster parent because…wait for it…

she would not serve pork products:

No BACON…the horror….the horror…
141 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:07:26pm

re: #123 jaunte

I read it. A very silly book that could be harmful to the reason of anyone who accepts his premises.

From the inside flap:

Someday soon, you might wake up to the call to prayer from a muezzin. Europeans already are.

And liberals will still tell you that “diversity is our strength”—while Talibanic enforcers cruise Greenwich Village burning books and barber shops, the Supreme Court decides sharia law doesn’t violate the “separation of church and state,” and the Hollywood Left decides to give up on gay rights in favor of the much safer charms of polygamy.

This isn’t really funny but the image of a gang of bearded Taliban rubes trying to reform the Village struck me as hilarious. It would make a good SNL skit.

142 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:08:10pm

re: #127 Buck

I personally hate the phrase “chickenhawk.” Some of us who support a hawkish foreign policy, like Bolton and myself, either can’t serve because we’re too old or because we’re disabled. Just because we can’t serve in the armed forces doesn’t mean we cannot comment on our defense policy or our war effort.

143 Buck  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:08:46pm

re: #139 garhighway

Talk about grading on a curve.

Well, I would like to hear about any back bone from Susan Rice….

144 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:09:21pm

re: #136 talon_262

And then we found out, as with many of the high-profile people on the right, his seemingly commonsensical stances on matters such as Islamism and Israel were but shiny veneers, laid over a foundation that was rotten to the core.

I can’t stand people who support Israel just because they see it merely as a vessel for the return of Jesus…

145 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:09:25pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

A rally at ground zero?

Looks like Wilders will be the only one to attend in person.

why is this asshole even allowed to enter the US.
I bet he can’t get into the UK…

146 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:09:58pm

re: #142 Max D. Reinhardt

I personally hate the phrase “chickenhawk.” Some of us who support a hawkish foreign policy, like Bolton and myself, either can’t serve because we’re too old or because we’re disabled. Just because we can’t serve in the armed forces doesn’t mean we cannot comment on our defense policy or our war effort.

It’s a cheap ad hominem attack used by people who should recognize it as such and know better… but apparently don’t.

147 iossarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:10:12pm

re: #142 Max D. Reinhardt

I personally hate the phrase “chickenhawk.” Some of us who support a hawkish foreign policy, like Bolton and myself, either can’t serve because we’re too old or because we’re disabled. Just because we can’t serve in the armed forces doesn’t mean we cannot comment on our defense policy or our war effort.

I think the phrase refers to people who have actively dodged military service, and then go on to promote war as the answer to all of life’s problems.

148 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:10:19pm

re: #137 recusancy

Yes. But this post kind of signifies the marked difference in this site between then and now. It wasn’t just the “commenters”.

Yes. The new Troll Tactic™ is to point out the changes as though change is a bad thing. It can be bad, such as becoming deceased, and it can be good, such as realizing people are not what you thought they were and saying so.

149 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:10:19pm

Just driving by to express my disappointment in Mr. Bolton!
I thought he was approaching elected office position in his
“pull no punches” way of expressing himself!
A very intelligent man….
Bummer!

150 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:10:25pm

re: #142 Max D. Reinhardt

I personally hate the phrase “chickenhawk.” Some of us who support a hawkish foreign policy, like Bolton and myself, either can’t serve because we’re too old or because we’re disabled. Just because we can’t serve in the armed forces doesn’t mean we cannot comment on our defense policy or our war effort.

Or because of “knowing someone” and getting defferments. How about Yellow Elephant?

151 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:10:42pm

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Normally, if one were exposed to the disease in Haiti, they would bring it back and there would be a limited chance of infecting others because the climate would hinder the normal disease vectors, in this case, mosquitoes. With a larger mosquito populations and a climate the disease itself can thrive in, it means you’re going to see a lot more cases of secondary infections from the imported cases.

If we were talking about new Dengue fever outbreaks in Indiana, I’d be all over it. In Florida where the mosquitoes have been thriving for some time since their physical introduction and where the climate is typically

152 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:10:59pm

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

From the inside flap:

This isn’t really funny but the image of a gang of bearded Taliban rubes trying to reform the Village struck me as hilarious. It would make a good SNL skit.

My favorite thing about New York so far is that every subway train looks like the start to a SNL skit. On the last train there was a Sikh, an orthodox Jewish family, a couple of Indian doctors, a gay Hispanic dude in a mesh string vest and his albino boyfriend, and a enormous black dude who was reading Godel, Escher, Bach and occasionally laughing.

153 Buck  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:12:29pm

re: #142 Max D. Reinhardt

I personally hate the phrase “chickenhawk.” Some of us who support a hawkish foreign policy, like Bolton and myself, either can’t serve because we’re too old or because we’re disabled. Just because we can’t serve in the armed forces doesn’t mean we cannot comment on our defense policy or our war effort.

Well, I know what you mean, and I certainly hate that term as well. But I think my point is that HE DID SERVE. He went toe to toe with some of the worlds worse dictators and tyrants. He stood up at a time when it was not popular, and made him a target (both from outside the US, and inside).

I don’t throw all of that away. If I parse what is said in #0 Charles…. I don’t think he does either.

154 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:13:56pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

Yes. The new Troll Tactic™ is to point out the changes as though change is a bad thing. It can be bad, such as becoming deceased, and it can be good, such as realizing people are not what you thought they were and saying so.

I found it interesting so I pointed it out. Oriana was pretty blatant on what she wrote. I don’t think there was anything hidden there. It’s the editorial stance of this site that’s changed. And that’s a good thing.

155 Ericus58  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:14:03pm

re: #132 Max D. Reinhardt

I’ve read it, among other Eurabian theory books like While Europe Slept, the latter I enjoyed more. There’s a lot of propaganda out there, like that Changing Demographics video, but I really can’t decide if it’s an accurate theory or not.

I own both books. Even read them.
Both men are intelligent, and I thought do make some good points; Mark with his wit and Bruce with his life experiences.

I can’t say I agree with them on all points, but I can’t dismiss them out of hand on others.
I know that I’ll be asked next which points I agree with - I’ve not the time to continue today. But I’ll try and get back soon with my thought’s.

156 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:14:26pm

re: #147 iossarian

I think the phrase refers to people who have actively dodged military service, and then go on to promote war as the answer to all of life’s problems.

When I think of the phrase “chickenhawk”, I think of Max Blumenthal’s interviews with College Republicans who support the Iraq War but don’t enlist.

157 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:14:35pm

re: #151 allegro

Oops. It no likey the “greater than” sign.

158 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:15:00pm

re: #146 ArchangelMichael

It’s a cheap ad hominem attack used by people who should recognize it as such and know better… but apparently don’t.

The original meaning of it is still a valid one— people who got deferments or otherwise avoided service in Vietnam, and favor military action. That meaning quickly expanded beyond reason.

This is hilarious, though:

159 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:15:27pm

re: #157 allegro

& l t ;

Gives you <
> should be fine as is :D

160 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:15:30pm

re: #153 Buck

Well, I know what you mean, and I certainly hate that term as well. But I think my point is that HE DID SERVE. He went toe to toe with some of the worlds worse dictators and tyrants. He stood up at a time when it was not popular, and made him a target (both from outside the US, and inside).

I don’t throw all of that away. If I parse what is said in #0 Charles… I don’t think he does either.

Going toe to toe in the UN is a little different then going toe to toe on the actual battle field.

161 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:15:38pm

I can haz lapdance?

162 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:16:44pm

It’s a great relief to me btw that the ‘award’ for Bolton was voted. Gives me an out :)

163 Buck  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:16:57pm

re: #160 recusancy

Going toe to toe in the UN is a little different then going toe to toe on the actual battle field.

IMO not everyone who serves their country is on the battlefield.

164 iossarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:17:04pm

re: #160 recusancy

Going toe to toe in the UN is a little different then going toe to toe on the actual battle field.

I don’t know - those five-star hotels can get quite rough at times.

165 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:17:08pm

re: #158 Obdicut

Owned.

166 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:17:25pm

re: #160 recusancy

Going toe to toe in the UN is a little different then going toe to toe on the actual battle field.

Oh yeah? Think you’re man enough to take on double-pointy-finger-Belgian-guy?

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167 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:17:57pm

re: #142 Max D. Reinhardt

I personally hate the phrase “chickenhawk.” Some of us who support a hawkish foreign policy, like Bolton and myself, either can’t serve because we’re too old or because we’re disabled. Just because we can’t serve in the armed forces doesn’t mean we cannot comment on our defense policy or our war effort.

That is true and maybe “chickenhawk” is a bit offensive, but it is not used for people who cannot serve, but for those who are Hawks who could quite easily join up (or could have at some point in their lives…cough…Dick Cheney…cough cough….) but don’t. They like war when other people and other people’s kids are fighting it…

(If I don’t think something is worth my kid dying for then I refuse to support an action that might require another mother’s child getting killed.)

168 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:17:57pm

re: #160 recusancy

Going toe to toe in the UN is a little different then going toe to toe on the actual battle field.

In wartime, we all have to serve in our own way. Bolton was too old to go on the Battlefield.

Bolton served in the Maryland National Guard but not in Vietnam. By the time he could enlist, the war was already lost.

169 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:18:22pm

re: #140 webevintage

Just watched last nights Daily Show…Wyatt Cenac on a Muslim lady who was turned down to be a foster parent because…wait for it…

she would not serve pork products:


[Link: www.thedailyshow.com…]
No BACON…the horror…the horror…

So no kosher-observant Jews can be foster parents either?

170 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:18:40pm

re: #166 Obdicut

Oh yeah? Think you’re man enough to take on double-pointy-finger-Belgian-guy?

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Ultimate Supernova Team Swift Five GO!!!!

171 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:18:56pm

re: #168 Max D. Reinhardt

The guard is such a Classic Out tho’

172 Jack Burton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:19:00pm

re: #154 recusancy

I found it interesting so I pointed it out. Oriana was pretty blatant on what she wrote. I don’t think there was anything hidden there. It’s the editorial stance of this site that’s changed. And that’s a good thing.

The validity of the Europe’s ‘Muslim Demographics Problem’ had not been sufficiently debunked by non-moonbat sources at the time. Authors and pundits handwringing or concern-trolling about it were not immediately suspect. I’ll note… Robert Spencer is on that poll and he’s been persona non grata on LGF since way before Obama was elected the right cranked the crazy up to 11.

173 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:19:10pm

re: #168 Max D. Reinhardt

In wartime, we all have to serve in our own way. Bolton was too old to go on the Battlefield.

Bolton served in the Maryland National Guard but not in Vietnam. By the time he could enlist, the war was already lost.

lol

174 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:19:11pm

re: #169 Alouette

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com…]
No BACON…the horror…the horror…

So no kosher-observant Jews can be foster parents either?

well that would be a good question…..

175 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:19:16pm

re: #167 webevintage

(If I don’t think something is worth my kid dying for then I refuse to support an action that might require another mother’s child getting killed.)

This x 1000

176 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:20:05pm

re: #162 windsagio

It’s a great relief to me btw that the ‘award’ for Bolton was voted. Gives me an out :)

Huh?

177 iossarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:20:15pm

re: #168 Max D. Reinhardt

In wartime, we all have to serve in our own way. Bolton was too old to go on the Battlefield.

Bolton served in the Maryland National Guard but not in Vietnam. By the time he could enlist, the war was already lost.

In 1940 the Battle of Britain was lost by any reasonable definition of the word.

John Bolton is an ass, and a coward.

178 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:20:52pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Huh?

Means I can say “Its just the old-school nutjobs that decided this terrible man deserved an award, not the management” ;)

179 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:21:43pm

re: #177 iossarian

In 1940 the Battle of Britain was lost by any reasonable definition of the word.

No. It wasn’t.

180 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:22:01pm

re: #169 Alouette

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com…]
No BACON…the horror…the horror…

So no kosher-observant Jews can be foster parents either?

If little johnny doesn’t eat pork, he could suffer from a vitamin P deficiency./

Seriously, if that is the reason they gave for denying
that woman foster parent status, whoever made that call should be fired, publicly, and stripped of accrued benefits. This shit is getting very old, very fast.

181 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:22:16pm

re: #178 windsagio

Means I can say “Its just the old-school nutjobs that decided this terrible man deserved an award, not the management” ;)

This old school nut job still thinks Kofi Anan deserves an idiotarian award.

182 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:23:51pm

re: #140 webevintage

Just watched last nights Daily Show…Wyatt Cenac on a Muslim lady who was turned down to be a foster parent because…wait for it…


[Link: www.thedailyshow.com…]
No BACON…the horror…the horror…

A little caution here… This is a comedy show that takes a few details and spins them for entertainment purposes.

I hope that the entire decision was based on accomodating children in homes where they will feel comfortable and fit with the family, not just a single issue like pork products. I would feel the same way if a Christian family was denied a foster care application for unusual observances. “Mrs. Jones we appreciate your faith and the fact that you feel handling poisonous snakes is a sign of your devoutness but these three crack babies are probably better served in a quieter environment…”

183 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:24:30pm

re: #140 webevintage

Just watched last nights Daily Show…Wyatt Cenac on a Muslim lady who was turned down to be a foster parent because…wait for it…

[Link: www.thedailyshow.com…]
No BACON…the horror…the horror…

I am so blogging that.

184 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:25:01pm

re: #181 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This old school nut job still thinks Kofi Anan deserves an idiotarian award.

Not liking Kofi doesn’t make Bolton not an insane rage-addict with serious philosophical problems :)

185 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:25:19pm

re: #180 Fozzie Bear

So no kosher-observant Jews can be foster parents either?

If little johnny doesn’t eat pork, he could suffer from a vitamin P deficiency./

Seriously, if that is the reason they gave for denying
that woman foster parent status, whoever made that call should be fired, publicly, and stripped of accrued benefits. This shit is getting very old, very fast.

Not only kosher-observant Jews, but also VEGETARIANS are unfit to be foster parents!1!1!1!

186 iossarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:26:05pm

re: #184 windsagio

Not liking Kofi doesn’t make Bolton not an insane rage-addict with serious philosophical problems :)

Upding for virtuoso negative-combo.

187 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:27:31pm

re: #182 DaddyG

A little caution here… This is a comedy show that takes a few details and spins them for entertainment purposes.

Of course I agree.
But if the “pork” was used as an issue then that would mean that they also do not allow vegetarians or kosher-observant Jews.
I have a feeling that we all know the real reason why she ways not allowed to foster.

188 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:27:40pm

Did anyone read John Bolton’s book, Surrender Is Not An Option?

189 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:27:46pm

re: #180 Fozzie Bear

So no kosher-observant Jews can be foster parents either?

If little johnny doesn’t eat pork, he could suffer from a vitamin P deficiency./

Seriously, if that is the reason they gave for denying
that woman foster parent status, whoever made that call should be fired, publicly, and stripped of accrued benefits. This shit is getting very old, very fast.

To get my recommended dose of Vitamin P, I self-medicate with thick cut bacon and smoked pork shoulder/ribs with some good sauce ;-P

190 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:27:47pm

re: #178 windsagio

Means I can say “Its just the old-school nutjobs that decided this terrible man deserved an award, not the management” ;)

OK. I have seen a few comments from people who “can’t afford to be seen here” because nasty comments sometimes appear here. One of those doesn’t come around any more, which I call a silent flounce. I don’t get it when folks fear for their reputations for what blog they comment on. One’s reputation depends on one’s own comments, I think, and not where they are placed. Although I’m not going over to Stormfront to say that.

I think one of my Twitter followers dropped me because of who I follow. (I’m just keeping an eye on some of them, not “following” in the devotee sense.)

191 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:27:52pm

re: #186 iossarian

It’s a skill!

Anyways, snark aside I had a point ;)

Bolton’s always been an evil fuck.

Wow,that was so easy I should have said it the first time!

192 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:28:11pm

Shit I’m German-Irish-Slavic and I love pork as much as the next guy but what they did to that foster mother was discriminatory plain and simple. You don’t need pork to survive. Pork is delicious and I know that I sure as hell could go for a real good pork chop right now but you don’t need it.

193 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:28:22pm

Oops… are the marshmallows in Lucky Charms Halal?

Just an observation.

Plus I’d like to see the whole letter without the ellipses that was the basis for this report.

(Darn funny though…)

194 iossarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:28:33pm

re: #188 Max D. Reinhardt

Did anyone read John Bolton’s book, Surrender Is Not An Option?

No - did it include a chapter on how to avoid fighting in wars that are already lost?

195 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:29:32pm

re: #190 wrenchwench

Not sure I”m getting you, but I just woke up so :)

re: #194 iossarian

No - did it include a chapter on how to avoid fighting in wars that are already lost?


Pwnt!

196 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:29:36pm

re: #194 iossarian

No - did it include a chapter on how to avoid fighting in wars that are already lost?

LOLz

197 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:30:10pm

re: #194 iossarian

No - did it include a chapter on how to avoid fighting in wars that are already lost?

Just a page.

198 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:30:37pm

re: #187 webevintage

Of course I agree.
But if the “pork” was used as an issue then that would mean that they also do not allow vegetarians or kosher-observant Jews.
I have a feeling that we all know the real reason why she ways not allowed to foster.

If it was religion bad on them.

If it was a broader cultural compatability question for the foster kids in their system not so big a deal. I’d hate to see Muslim children placed in a foster home where the bible was read every night and hot dogs were served for lunch.

Still - taking a Daily Show skit and having an in depth discussion is probably silly of me… although less silly than a serious discussion of most talk shows or news pundits.

199 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:30:50pm

I think people use the chickenhawk label when they feel they’re being attacked. I remember my grandfather a Korean War veteran was particularly upset at members of the punditry who did not serve in the military calling opponents of the Iraq War unpatriotic. I realize sometimes the label isn’t always fair since it’s true that there are health issues that keep people from serving in the military, hell I have one myself but I can understand a veteran’s frustration when some talking head is saying opponents of a war are unpatriotic and the viewer knows that said talking head did all he could to get out of harm’s way when he could.

200 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:30:53pm

re: #194 iossarian

No - did it include a chapter on how to avoid fighting in wars that are already lost?

Perhaps it has a section for vigorously advocating for fighting an unnecessary war against a state which had no involvement whatsoever in the catalyzing event used to justify it?

201 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:31:01pm

re: #197 Max D. Reinhardt

Just a page.

That was the one that just had a picture of him giving you the finger, right?

202 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:31:34pm

Oops… I’d better captialize Bible or Cato’s gonna get me. //

203 iossarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:32:04pm

Got to run - I hope Bolton reads LGF.

204 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:32:14pm

re: #198 DaddyG


Still - taking a Daily Show skit and having an in depth discussion is probably silly of me… although less silly than a serious discussion of most talk shows or news pundits.

Here is the story from April:
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
[Link: articles.baltimoresun.com…]

205 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:32:49pm

re: #203 iossarian

Got to run - I hope Bolton reads LGF.

His mustache does. I think his nick is Max D. Reinhardt.

206 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:33:15pm

Charles, how can you go against the Will of the Lizards like this?

What are you, some kinda activist judge?

Wait till November.

/†

†This is only the second time I can remember using a “sarcasm tag”.

207 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:33:19pm

Blago was just found guilty of lying to federal agents.

208 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:33:34pm

re: #198 DaddyG

Its a fun post to put up, everyone enjoyed it :p

209 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:34:10pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

I am guilty of wanting to know the code for the little cross thing.

I swear I won’t misuse it!

210 recusancy  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:35:00pm

re: #209 windsagio

I am guilty of wanting to know the code for the little cross thing.

I swear I won’t misuse it!

[Link: www.ascii.cl…]

211 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:35:12pm

re: #205 recusancy

His mustache does. I think his nick is Max D. Reinhardt.

Now that the cats out of the bag, BUY MY BOOK LIZARDS! You know you want to. My mustache commands it!

/

212 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:35:32pm

re: #209 windsagio

I am guilty of wanting to know the code for the little cross thing.

I swear I won’t misuse it!

Yeah, like I trust you, Mister Emoticon!

Well, all right: in the spirit of reconciliation, it’s “†” - without the quotation marks.

213 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:35:49pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

wow, what a troll
///

214 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:36:19pm

re: #204 webevintage

Here is the story from April:
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
[Link: articles.baltimoresun.com…]


Thanks.

I’d still like to read the whole letter. What is the basis for saying the pork products are “the main reason” her application was rejected. She does say she’d be comfortable letting foster kids order what they wanted if they ate out.

Perhaps I’m just incredulous that a foster care agency worker could be so incredibly stupid as to deny a claim primarily because there weren’t pork products in the house.

Perhaps I shoud suspend my disbelief and accept that someone is that stupid.

215 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:36:25pm

re: #206 Cato the Elder

Charles, how can you go against the Will of the Lizards like this?

What are you, some kinda activist judge?

Wait till November.

/†

†This is only the second time I can remember using a “sarcasm tag”.

Cato, I’m surprised at you! Flouncing like that! I thought I knew you, man!

///

216 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:36:37pm

re: #210 recusancy

FOOLS!

NOW THE POWER IS MINE!

Na thanks for the link :D

217 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:37:29pm

The cuteness will kill you:

I dare you the watch…

with that I gotta go make dinner and get some work done.

218 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:37:57pm

re: #214 DaddyG

On of those articles does indeed say the pork thing was the main reason. Or rather, has the agency saying it:

In a letter dated Oct. 12, the company told Crudup that her license application was denied out of “concerns raised by statements made during the home study interview, specifically your explicit request to prohibit pork products within your home environment.”

219 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:38:04pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

Yeah, like I trust you, Mister Emoticon!

Well, all right: in the spirit of reconciliation, it’s “†” - without the quotation marks.

That was mean of me.

The way to do it is with an ampersand on the left, followed immediately by the word “dagger” (without quotes), followed immediately with a semicolon.

Have fun, Windo!

220 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:38:14pm

re: #208 windsagio

Its a fun post to put up, everyone enjoyed it :p


No doubt. I will concede that.

221 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:38:54pm

Blago’s been found guilty of exactly one count: Lying to the FBI.

Max penalty? 5 years in jail and $250,000 fine.

Wonder how the wingnuts will react. Will they dance and cheer that the “Chicago Machine” has been “dealt a blow”? Or will they bitch up a storm because he’s not gonna spend the rest of his life behind bars?

222 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:39:01pm

OT
Blago is Guilty of lying to federal agents

223 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:39:20pm

re: #209 windsagio

I am guilty of wanting to know the code for the little cross thing.

I swear I won’t misuse it!


Careful- code it wrong and it could come out as a crescent or a star of David. //

224 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:39:37pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

That was mean of me.

The way to do it is with an ampersand on the left, followed immediately by the word “dagger” (without quotes), followed immediately with a semicolon.

Have fun, Windo!

†It is way too late for you, flee before your doom!†

225 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:40:43pm

re: #218 Obdicut

On of those articles does indeed say the pork thing was the main reason. Or rather, has the agency saying it:


Like I said - teh stupid does not compute!! I had to let it sink in. Ugh!

226 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:40:59pm

1 of 24 counts.
Victory is Blago’s.

227 garhighway  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:41:41pm

re: #221 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Blago’s been found guilty of exactly one count: Lying to the FBI.

Max penalty? 5 years in jail and $250,000 fine.

Wonder how the wingnuts will react. Will they dance and cheer that the “Chicago Machine” has been “dealt a blow”? Or will they bitch up a storm because he’s not gonna spend the rest of his life behind bars?

Both.

228 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:42:40pm

re: #226 Varek Raith

All the Democrats get to gloat that their guy got off!

… no, wait. That was De Lay.

229 allegro  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:43:00pm

re: #221 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Blago’s been found guilty of exactly one count: Lying to the FBI.

Max penalty? 5 years in jail and $250,000 fine.

Not up on the details, but probably fair enough. Yet, Delay isn’t prosecuted.

230 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:43:10pm

re: #221 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Blago’s been found guilty of exactly one count: Lying to the FBI.

Max penalty? 5 years in jail and $250,000 fine.

Wonder how the wingnuts will react. Will they dance and cheer that the “Chicago Machine” has been “dealt a blow”? Or will they bitch up a storm because he’s not gonna spend the rest of his life behind bars?


Can you imagine the priveledge of living in Illinois. The only state where your liscense plate is made by a former Governor? /

As a former Illinoisian and a right leaning lizard I could give a crap what happens to Blago or most other retired politicians caught with their hands in the cookie jar (or trying to get their hands in the cookie jar). Just as long as they don’t get back access to the cookie jar.

231 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:43:47pm

re: #228 windsagio

All the Democrats get to gloat that their guy got off!

… no, wait. That was De Lay.

Sarc? DeLay was an R… But comparing reactions should be grist for the partisan mill. Ugh.

232 ShaunP  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:43:50pm

re: #230 DaddyG

Can you imagine the priveledge of living in Illinois. The only state where your liscense plate is made by a former Governor? /

As a former Illinoisian and a right leaning lizard I could give a crap what happens to Blago or most other retired politicians caught with their hands in the cookie jar (or trying to get their hands in the cookie jar). Just as long as they don’t get back access to the cookie jar.

And please tv producer man, keep him and his wife off of reality tv shows…

233 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:44:22pm

re: #229 allegro

It was a pretty ugly moment actually, somebody coming in her basically looking to drink up the tears he expected when the hammer got clear.

234 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:44:38pm

re: #228 windsagio

All the Democrats get to gloat that their guy got off!

… no, wait. That was De Lay.

De Lay is not out of the woods yet. He’s still facing trial for “money laundering and conspiracy charges for funneling money into 2002 state legislative races in Texas.” Trial is set for next week.

235 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:44:44pm

We’ll hear something about Chicago politics and how Obama is a thug.

236 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:44:55pm

re: #231 Rightwingconspirator

lol@my spelling.

Again, more a reaction to the ass who came on trying to mock people about it when he got off.

237 MichaelJ  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:45:25pm

re: #124 Pass The Moonbaticide

If you are on a Mac, hold down Option (Alt) then type the number 2

238 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:45:35pm

And Blago’s still a douche. It’s mostly the hair.

//

239 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:46:08pm

re: #238 Gus 802

And Blago’s still a douche. It’s mostly the hair.

//

You’re just jealous that your hair is not awesomesauce.
/

240 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:46:20pm

re: #238 Gus 802

And Blago’s still a douche. It’s mostly the hair.

//

That’s the thing, that guy is hateable beyond partisan politics.

I dunno what it is specifically, and obviously I cant speak for those in Illinois, but everyone I know just instinctively recoils from that guy.

241 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:46:59pm

re: #239 Varek Raith

You’re just jealous that your hair is not awesomesauce.
/

Hey! I have enough hair for three Blago hair pieces.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:47:03pm

re: #127 Buck

Wow, that many updings? It is sad that you can find that much support for maligning Bolton’s service and past.

I am not saying that his current position isn’t disappointing, but in 2006 as UN ambassador he stood out as truth in a building full of deceit.

Buck, a suggestion. People will probably give you a better hearing if you say “I disagree, and here’s why” rather than, “I disagree, and it’s sad that people here agree with you.”

My two cents.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:47:43pm

re: #222 Rightwingconspirator

OT
Blago is Guilty of lying to federal agents

Also, Nixon resigned, and Franco is still dead.

244 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:48:02pm

Free Republic and Newsmax creatively edited a Washington Times story to make it appear that the pentagon was stating that the Chinese were specifically targeting American troops with their new weapons.


Below is what appears on Newsmax and Free Republic, the change has been highlighted


China is aggressively building up military forces to strike U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech “anti-access” missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report.

Here is the original article from the Washington Times.
Note that instead of saying “building up forces to strike U.S. forces”, it was actually written as,” building up forces capable of striking U.S. forces.

China is aggressively building up military forces capable of striking U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech “anti-access” missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report


The altered version of the article is being posted all over the tubes, the original version, not so much.

It’s fun to watch the astroturf spin machine in action.

245 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:48:12pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, Nixon resigned, and Franco is still dead.

Franco’s dead? That’s news to me!

/

246 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:48:26pm
247 MichaelJ  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:48:40pm

re: #209 windsagio

On a Mac, hold down the Option (Alt) key and type the letter t.

248 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:48:41pm

If Curious Lurker shows up, someone tell her that I finally bought the full version of “iQuran” for my iPhone’s religious library today. It was half price, a “Ramadan special”!

The full version offers so much more than the freebie: unlimited bookmarks and notes, a choice of translations, and a choice of reciters. I had to delete “The Godfather” from my video collection to make room for the audio files.

Now, I not only have the Bible in about 20 languages, including the originals, and a Catholic breviary for every day of the year, and the Bhagavad Gita in three different versions, one of them with sound, and the Bahai’i prayerbook, and the Tehillim, and other sundry multiculti gewgaws - now, I can listen to the entire Koran, with Arabic original script, translation of my choice, and a clear-voiced reciter singing each and every verse! And I can stop it at any time and bookmark or make notes or change the translation!

I am so going to love this.

I’m told, if you listen to it often enough, the Koran makes you into a Moooslim!

Of course, the same thing goes for the Latin Mass and being a Catholic.

Damn. Why am I so suggestible?

249 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:48:58pm

re: #244 Reginald Perrin

Free Republic and Newsmax creatively edited a Washington Times story to make it appear that the pentagon was stating that the Chinese were specifically targeting American troops with their new weapons.

Below is what appears on Newsmax and Free Republic, the change has been highlighted

China is aggressively building up military forces to strike U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech “anti-access” missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report.

Here is the original article from the Washington Times.
Note that instead of saying “building up forces to strike U.S. forces”, it was actually written as,” building up forces capable of striking U.S. forces.

China is aggressively building up military forces capable of striking U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech “anti-access” missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report

The altered version of the article is being posted all over the tubes, the original version, not so much.

It’s fun to watch the astroturf spin machine in action.

ZOMG, The Chinese are doing what we do!11!!!

250 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:49:32pm

re: #247 MichaelJ

On a Mac, hold down the Option (Alt) key and type the letter t.

Thanks for the tip‡


‡Unfortunately, macs are of the devil.

251 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:50:45pm

re: #249 Varek Raith

I like how its an untrustworthy source distorting an untrustworthy source.

Its like the telephone game of the damned!

252 darthstar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:50:59pm

re: #248 Cato the Elder

If Curious Lurker shows up, someone tell her that I finally bought the full version of “iQuran” for my iPhone’s religious library today. It was half price, a “Ramadan special”!

The full version offers so much more than the freebie: unlimited bookmarks and notes, a choice of translations, and a choice of reciters. I had to delete “The Godfather” from my video collection to make room for the audio files.

Now, I not only have the Bible in about 20 languages, including the originals, and a Catholic breviary for every day of the year, and the Bhagavad Gita in three different versions, one of them with sound, and the Bahai’i prayerbook, and the Tehillim, and other sundry multiculti gewgaws - now, I can listen to the entire Koran, with Arabic original script, translation of my choice, and a clear-voiced reciter singing each and every verse! And I can stop it at any time and bookmark or make notes or change the translation!

I am so going to love this.

I’m told, if you listen to it often enough, the Koran makes you into a Moooslim!

Of course, the same thing goes for the Latin Mass and being a Catholic.

Damn. Why am I so suggestible?

Wow…And all I’ve got on my googly phone is a light sabre, a cowbell app, and Pong.

253 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:51:18pm

I guarantee you the Pentagon has invasion plans for Canada.
MORE BACON FOR THE BACON GOD!

254 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:51:35pm

re: #252 darthstar

I’m totally reading the collected Jack London on mine, but unfortunately there’s no John Barleycorn app >>

255 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:51:37pm

re: #252 darthstar

I have a four year old blackberry with a missing button.

256 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:51:42pm

re: #249 Varek Raith

ZOMG, The Chinese are doing what we do!11!!!

That’s what I told someone earlier today. I doubt they have any aspirations of conquest. They have the money now and want to create the number one military in the world. Plus I’m sure they’re also looking at expanding arms sales of which the USA holds a 42 percent share. China’s arms sales are tiny compared to the USA.

257 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:52:30pm

re: #255 Obdicut

Are we gonna have a ‘my daddy’s so poor’ contest?!

Let’s Do This!

258 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:52:52pm

re: #248 Cato the Elder

If Curious Lurker shows up, someone tell her that I finally bought the full version of “iQuran” for my iPhone’s religious library today. It was half price, a “Ramadan special”!

The full version offers so much more than the freebie: unlimited bookmarks and notes, a choice of translations, and a choice of reciters. I had to delete “The Godfather” from my video collection to make room for the audio files.

Now, I not only have the Bible in about 20 languages, including the originals, and a Catholic breviary for every day of the year, and the Bhagavad Gita in three different versions, one of them with sound, and the Bahai’i prayerbook, and the Tehillim, and other sundry multiculti gewgaws - now, I can listen to the entire Koran, with Arabic original script, translation of my choice, and a clear-voiced reciter singing each and every verse! And I can stop it at any time and bookmark or make notes or change the translation!

I am so going to love this.

I’m told, if you listen to it often enough, the Koran makes you into a Moooslim!

Of course, the same thing goes for the Latin Mass and being a Catholic.

Damn. Why am I so suggestible?

Be sure and add a nice copy of the Book of Common Prayer while your at it. An older one with more of Cranmer’s writings is best for suggestibility purposes… ;)

259 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:53:25pm

Well I had a cell phone well in to 2005 without a camera. Okay, I can’t play this game as I have an iPhone and an iPod with over 10,000 songs.

260 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:53:40pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, Nixon resigned, and Franco is still dead.

Next you’ll tell me Batista is gone.

/

261 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:54:02pm

re: #217 webevintage

The cuteness will kill you:

[Video]I dare you the watch…

with that I gotta go make dinner and get some work done.

The whole Mustelidae family is awesome of course ;-)

262 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:54:18pm

re: #258 wlewisiii

Be sure and add a nice copy of the Book of Common Prayer while your at it. An older one with more of Cranmer’s writings is best for suggestibility purposes… ;)

I’m going to check the iPhone Apps for that right now.

Hellz, at this rate I’m gonna be so confused that one God or the other is gonna hafta let me into Heaven!

263 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:54:33pm

re: #253 Varek Raith

I guarantee you the Pentagon has invasion plans for Canada.
MORE BACON FOR THE BACON GOD!

I should hope so. Security is so lax we’ve been spotting Canucki infiltrators even here in Texas. As for the north, well, my God, no telling how many 5th columnists and secret hockey-fan cells they’ve planted up there.

264 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:54:39pm

re: #252 darthstar

Wow…And all I’ve got on my googly phone is a light sabre, a cowbell app, and Pong.

I don’t need anything… nothing at all… except my googly phone, my light sabre, a cowbell and a Pong game… that’s all I need… and this ashtry…

265 garhighway  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:54:49pm

re: #256 Gus 802

That’s what I told someone earlier today. I doubt they have any aspirations of conquest. They have the money now and want to create the number one military in the world. Plus I’m sure they’re also looking at expanding arms sales of which the USA holds a 42 percent share. China’s arms sales are tiny compared to the USA.

But are they building a capacity to project force? The stuff mentioned in the stub sound regional/defensive.

That’s what makes us unique: we can put a heavy force anywhere in the world if we want to. We can put a carrier strike group off of a foreign coast or stealth bombers overhead. Nobody else can, and nobody else is close.

266 darthstar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:55:16pm

re: #264 Walter L. Newton

I don’t need anything… nothing at all… except my googly phone, my light sabre, a cowbell and a Pong game… that’s all I need… and this ashtry…

Updinged for the Steve Martin reference…

267 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:55:18pm

re: #260 Max D. Reinhardt

The Shah too. We don’t seem to have many pet dictators left :(

268 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:55:32pm

re: #257 windsagio

Are we gonna have a ‘my daddy’s so poor’ contest?!

Let’s Do This!

I’m not poor. I just am absurdly behind the curve on my phone, for some reason. I mean, hopefully I’m not poor— I just started my own consulting company and currently have contracts for about half m previous income; I hope to get many more.

My phone texts, gets email, receives phone calls, and can (barely) make a google map. That’s all I really need, and I try not to buy things I don’t need.

269 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:56:32pm

re: #268 Obdicut

I’m not poor. I just am absurdly behind the curve on my phone, for some reason. I mean, hopefully I’m not poor— I just started my own consulting company and currently have contracts for about half m previous income; I hope to get many more.

My phone texts, gets email, receives phone calls, and can (barely) make a google map. That’s all I really need, and I try not to buy things I don’t need.

Haha no problem. I was like that too, up to this year had a phone from 1998. It was literally physically falling apart, just fell for temptation (expensive temptation) when I finally replaced it :D

270 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:56:37pm

re: #268 Obdicut

I’m not poor. I just am absurdly behind the curve on my phone, for some reason. I mean, hopefully I’m not poor— I just started my own consulting company and currently have contracts for about half m previous income; I hope to get many more.

My phone texts, gets email, receives phone calls, and can (barely) make a google map. That’s all I really need, and I try not to buy things I don’t need.

I don’t even have a cell phone.
Email? Check it once or twice a month.

271 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:56:38pm

re: #267 windsagio

The Shah too. We don’t seem to have many pet dictators left :(

Karzai’s gone too?

/

272 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:56:54pm

re: #271 Max D. Reinhardt

Karzai’s gone too?

/

*rimshot!*

273 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:58:00pm

re: #246 windsagio

OT: A brief history of art.

Have you watched any of that “work of Art - The Next Great Artist” show? Follows the same format as “Top Chef”. Judging from the first episode its looks to be a pretty entertaining mixture of talent, pretension and personality disorders.

274 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:58:18pm

re: #272 windsagio

*[Video]rimshot!*

Que tumbleweed.

275 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:59:28pm

re: #265 garhighway

But are they building a capacity to project force? The stuff mentioned in the stub sound regional/defensive.

That’s what makes us unique: we can put a heavy force anywhere in the world if we want to. We can put a carrier strike group off of a foreign coast or stealth bombers overhead. Nobody else can, and nobody else is close.

Then it’s mostly for prestige or defensive purposes. I’m not concerned. We lived through the worst of times during the Cold War and nothing became of that. Our relationship now is stronger than ever.

276 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:59:35pm

re: #270 Varek Raith

I don’t even have a cell phone.
Email? Check it once or twice a month.

Not all of us have underlings who step forwards to whisper in our ears, you know.

277 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:00:08pm

re: #275 Gus 802

Then it’s mostly for prestige or defensive purposes. I’m not concerned. We lived through the worst of times during the Cold War and nothing became of that. Our relationship now is stronger than ever.

And I fully believe the Chinese are not the enemy that they are made to be.

278 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:00:13pm

re: #273 Jimmah

Have you watched any of that “work of Art - The Next Great Artist” show? Follows the same format as “Top Chef”. Judging from the first episode its looks to be a pretty entertaining mixture of talent, pretension and personality disorders.

It was like watching “Ex-girlfriend revue” for me.

I used to like the crazy.

279 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:00:45pm

re: #273 Jimmah

Have you watched any of that “work of Art - The Next Great Artist” show? Follows the same format as “Top Chef”. Judging from the first episode its looks to be a pretty entertaining mixture of talent, pretension and personality disorders.

I don’t really watch TV (excepting Adult swim at work), but I have a friend that’s so into that show. She’s my source for sleazy reality TV and horror movies >>

280 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:01:26pm

re: #277 Varek Raith

And I fully believe the Chinese are not the enemy that they are made to be.

They’re not out to get us per se, but they certainly don’t mind who they step on go get their goals met >>

281 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:01:55pm

re: #280 windsagio

They’re not out to get us per se, but they certainly don’t mind who they step on go get their goals met >>

Gee, just like…
US!

282 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:02:32pm

re: #281 Varek Raith

Gee, just like…
US!

I tell myself that we’re a little better. We at least pretend to honor human rights :p

283 Gus  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:02:37pm

re: #277 Varek Raith

And I fully believe the Chinese are not the enemy that they are made to be.

Yep. If we’re going to look back within the context of the Cold War I’d say that I trust the Chinese more than the Russians. You don’t see the Chinese playing head games with Bear bombers flying near the Canadian border or landing a TU-160 in Venezuela. Plus, we’re their biggest customer.

284 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:03:21pm

re: #282 windsagio

I tell myself that we’re a little better. We at least pretend to honor human rights :p

OUTSOURCING!!11!1
;)

285 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:04:16pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

OUTSOURCING!!11!1
;)

Is that what they’re calling extreme rendition these days? >>

286 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:05:04pm

re: #279 windsagio

I don’t really watch TV (excepting Adult swim at work), but I have a friend that’s so into that show. She’s my source for sleazy reality TV and horror movies >>

Ice-ski is a fan of adult swim too. I don’t even know what it is.

Off for dinner and some more intense high-octane nesting— take care folks. :-)

287 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:05:25pm

re: #273 Jimmah

You there! If you don’t stop keeping Ice in purdah, some of us are getting ready to call the authorities.

288 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:06:11pm

re: #286 Jimmah

Ice-ski is a fan of adult swim too. I don’t even know what it is.

Off for dinner and some more intense high-octane nesting— take care folks. :-)

Look it up man, the better shows are right up your alley!

Go Team Venture!

289 b_sharp  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:08:33pm

re: #244 Reginald Perrin

Free Republic and Newsmax creatively edited a Washington Times story to make it appear that the pentagon was stating that the Chinese were specifically targeting American troops with their new weapons.

Below is what appears on Newsmax and Free Republic, the change has been highlighted

China is aggressively building up military forces to strike U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech “anti-access” missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report.

Here is the original article from the Washington Times.
Note that instead of saying “building up forces to strike U.S. forces”, it was actually written as,” building up forces capable of striking U.S. forces.

China is aggressively building up military forces capable of striking U.S. forces in the western Pacific and elsewhere as part of what the Pentagon calls an array of high-tech “anti-access” missiles, submarines and warplanes in its latest annual report

The altered version of the article is being posted all over the tubes, the original version, not so much.

It’s fun to watch the astroturf spin machine in action.

FR isn’t astroturf, it’s a bunch of very sick people making themselves even sicker.

290 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:13:28pm

re: #289 b_sharp

FR isn’t astroturf, it’s a bunch of very sick people making themselves even sicker.

It wasn’t just Free Republic that ran with the altered version, it is posted on dozens of right wing sites. I doubt that is a coincidence.

291 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:15:22pm

re: #258 wlewisiii

Be sure and add a nice copy of the Book of Common Prayer while your at it. An older one with more of Cranmer’s writings is best for suggestibility purposes… ;)

I downloaded an app/apps for Liturgy of the Hours which is nice to have.

292 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:29:52pm

re: #291 webevintage

I downloaded an app/apps for Liturgy of the Hours which is nice to have.

Oh that is nice. I really need to get serious about doing the morning & evening offices.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:32:44pm

re: #268 Obdicut


My phone texts, gets email, receives phone calls, and can (barely) make a google map. That’s all I really need, and I try not to buy things I don’t need.

Oooh in some ways we’re very different :D

(on the phone thing though, i don’t own a cell phone at all)

294 pharmmajor  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:34:21pm

Reason Magazine tackles the Cordoba controversy:

[Link: reason.com…]

295 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:53:46pm

re: #62 Rightwingconspirator

I take that back. I would nominate the nice woman that Andrew Brietbart et. al. did such a number on. Shirley Sherrod. On the strength of her speech.

I agree.

296 im_gumby_damnit  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 3:59:19pm

What is he thinking? Does Bolton not know what this lady stands for?

297 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:00:50pm

Funny - i was down dinged to death for suggesting Bolton may not be “all that” a few months back - coming to think of it - that may have been the Bagman……….

298 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:01:33pm

re: #46 WindUpBird

Thankfully Dave Wyndorf is probably not going to start writing forewords to anti-Muslim screeds, so my hero is safe

I don’t use the word ‘hero’ much any more. If I do I apply it to people who risked their lives in combat like Audie Murphy or Smoky Smith.

‘Hero’ used in politics evokes in me visions people like Hitler and Mussolini, and John Bolton for that matter. Strutting posers who have come to ‘save us from the enemy.’

Whether we think we need to be saved or not.

299 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:13:02pm

re: #298 Romantic Heretic

I don’t use the word ‘hero’ much any more. If I do I apply it to people who risked their lives in combat like Audie Murphy or Smoky Smith.

‘Hero’ used in politics evokes in me visions people like Hitler and Mussolini, and John Bolton for that matter. Strutting posers who have come to ‘save us from the enemy.’

Whether we think we need to be saved or not.


I’m referring to the colloquial use of hero, I’m not abandoning my colloquial use of the term to mean “person I look up to and admire as a model of how to do stuff”. ;-)

300 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:14:14pm

re: #296 im_gumby_damnit

What is he thinking? Does Bolton not know what this lady stands for?

Of course he knows!

He’s thinking perfectly clear. He’s simply the sort of guy who WOULD write for Pamela Gellar. I never liked the guy, but then again, I’m a dangerous liberal ;-)

301 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:14:31pm

re: #149 reloadingisnotahobby

Just driving by to express my disappointment in Mr. Bolton!
I thought he was approaching elected office position in his
“pull no punches” way of expressing himself!
A very intelligent man…
Bummer!

It is a mistake to believe that only emotions can panic the mind. - Northrop Frye

302 Stan the Demanded Plan  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:31:32pm

re: #240 windsagio

That’s the thing, that guy is hateable beyond partisan politics.

I dunno what it is specifically, and obviously I cant speak for those in Illinois, but everyone I know just instinctively recoils from that guy.

The jogging suits. Yep, that’s it.

303 Claire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:05:39pm

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently right after the Haiti quake, the CDC and various health services put out an alert telling anyone going to the region be on the look out for Dengue Fever. We’re seeing the fall out of that.

I’m going to Haiti in September. Ruh-roh. Mosquitos like me.

I like Mark Steyn AND Jon Stewart. I’m entertained by both of them. Odd, I know, but I’ve never looked for a savior, someone to lead me. (off a cliff, down a primrose path) I’m not that malleable. LGF has changed a lot but I haven’t. Didn’t fit in then, don’t fit in now. Whah! (teasing.)

304 NC Gray  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:13:45pm

Where have you gone LGF?

I wanted to be registered… I waited long- every Sunday (b/c the disclaimer once said that occasionally on Sundays you opened registration) and then i was registered… I read and take in- and occasionally i comment.

However, LGF if it was known for anything it was support for Israel, and there is not a single supporter of Israel that i am aware of that is more cogent and informed than John Bolten.

You know sometimes people you like like people you don’t like. And in a healthy relationship thats ok.

It is a boring world when we live in our own echo chamber…

I appreciate your site and the comments of some of your thoughtful members, even the scratchy ones, who bristle me when i post but really!

305 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:16:34pm

re: #304 NC Gray

I think what you mean is “But come on!”

306 NC Gray  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:17:13pm

re: #305 Obdicut

ok, sure… “But COME ON”

307 reidr  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:16:07pm

Is it too late to spout my opinion of Bolton? I never liked the guy; he’s smart, but he came across as an arrogant prick. Maybe there was some truth to the idea that the UN needed cleaning up, but the stuff he was saying sounded too much like fodder for the anti-UN far-right conspiracy nuts. It was like sending a bull jacked up on steroids and whiskey into a china shop because the manager was embezzling. Just an earlier version of pandering to the wingnuts. (But I could certainly be wrong, don’t want to seem arrogant!)

308 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:38:20pm

Oh obdi, late answer but: The reason I sometimes bring up tough subjects is I keep getting the idea that we can joke about our differences on the divisive things. You’d think I’d learn the first 20 times >>

309 NC Gray  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:09:34pm

re: #307 reidr

an arrogant prick

Really, with the Star Wars Collection at the UN?

What world do you see?

Dictators who kill… Human rights that are subject to political consideration…

The UN would be well served by a real bull in the china shop!

310 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:20:14pm

re: #304 NC Gray

Fascinating. So let’s look at what you are saying… which honestly is so very full of buzzwords and catch phrases our stalkers routinely use.

First off. Support of Israel by the vast majority of this blog and certainly Charles is not in question. I admit there are some moonbats who spout moonbat nonsense about it, but then they get pretty strongly hammered.

However their very presence here makes this not an echo-chamber.

Second off, Bolton is taking a stand against the rights of Americans to worship freely on privately owned land that was approved for this use by a local jurisdiction. To be opposed to it for any reason is to be opposed to absolute core American principles of liberty. It is not just the First Amendment in play here. It is property rights and State’s rights as well.

For any American official to be opposed to this issue is a national disgrace. There is no question here. There is no grey zone. This is as cut and dried a question of American liberty as it comes.

No American official or politician should be opposed to the cornerstone principles of this Republic. It is an utter betrayal on their part based on generating unfounded bigotry for their own ends. It is craven, calculating, repulsive and anti-American to its core.

Third off, Israel is an interesting example to bring up. They allow Muslims to build Mosques in the interests of religious liberty. It is one of the things that makes them better than their neighbors, and “Americans” like you.

311 NC Gray  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:35:01pm

re: #310 LudwigVanQuixote

My post was not about anything that Bolton has said or done about the Mosque in NY…

I am not a stalker- I have a real job with kids and sports and the like. I am a concerned politically conservative (not Republican) person who contributed to GW Bush’s low favorability ratings (i.e. a conservative who was not in favor of his policies).

I know of John Bolton’s insight into the situation in Iran and that is the nature of my post…

my comment that sometimes people we like say and do things we don’t is my main point.

As the husband of a wife and the father of teenage children i understand that there are times when i stand by not endorsing but not condemning either. Because individuals will say and do many things that are not in keeping with the herd mentality… I guess it was the herd concept that i was commenting more than anything else here…

Finally, there are many things that are legal that are not right… I really don’t care if they build the Mosque or not- I don’t live there, I just understand why some people feel that it is insensitive… I really just think that John Bolton is a unique thinker among our foreign policy experts- I vote to not defrock him yet.

Thanks for your thoughtful critique!

312 reidr  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:54:16pm

re: #309 NC Gray

My possibly naive opinion is that the UN, though far from perfect, does a lot of good for the world. It seems like there are many far-right types who see it as nothing but full of criminals and filthy euro-communists and just want to shut it down and kick it out. Bolton was too far to that side for my tastes. It’s a diplomatic body; sure, send in someone tough, but not someone who seemingly hates the place and what it stands for.

313 Timmeh  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:34:22pm

I never liked Bolton from the beginning.

314 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:51:14pm

re: #156 Max D. Reinhardt

When I think of the phrase “chickenhawk”, I think of Max Blumenthal’s interviews with College Republicans who support the Iraq War but don’t enlist.

When I think of the term “chickenhawk”, it has nothing to do with war and/or politics. I think of men who prey on young boys. You know, your typical priest.

The old terms I remember for those who want all the benefits of a strong nation without doing any of the heavy lifting (and want a medal for it) are “sunshine patriot”, “pacifist”, “coward”, and “Bill Clinton”.

Personally, I tried to enlist after my college graduation, but even a mid- to late Seventies military with severe personnel problems didn’t want a short, skinny guy with bad vision. The Air Force and Navy didn’t want me, and I didn’t go any farther.

315 Mattand  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:37:30am

Sorry if this has been covered above, but can someone explain to me why, in the current political climate, any gay or lesbian person would be a Republican?

I hate to go Godwin here, but isn’t that like being a Jewish Nazi? Why would anyone voluntarily sign up with a organization that has spent at least the last 20 years demonizing them?

316 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:31:02am
317 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:01:33am

re: #311 NC Gray

You don’t get a vote.

318 NC Gray  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 11:19:51am

re: #317 Charles

Understood, I was speaking rhetorically, not trying to make a democracy in your benevolent dictatorship of LGF.

Thanks for taking time to reply.

319 kutabeach  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:20:00pm

I think Bolton is smarter than you.

320 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 12:04:08am

Thank you for sharing. And now, I bid you adieu.

321 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 8:46:41am

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