And the overnight thread, means time to go to bed, for me.
Raining cats & dogs here. I bet we set new records.
Be well, stay dry, Lizards!

Shock therapy for Brian Fisher:

Clockwork Orange chair, contraption that holds the eyes open, 12 hours straight of Glee.

Yes, I'm an evil bastard.

re: #2 BigPapa

Good Gawd man! What dark and terrifying abyss does your mind occupy?

I know everyone has WikiLeaks fatigue, but for crying out loud:

In an interview with The Times on Tuesday, Assange compared WikiLeaks' "persecution" to that endured by Jews in the US in the 1950s.

re: #4 CuriousLurker

Updinged and recommended. And for fucks sake! I don't cut those mendacious crap-weasels any slack when they blubber on about "religious persecution" just because some corners of humanity won't give them a green light to hate gays or whatever, but this statement takes that kind of garbage one step too far.

With this, he completely trivializes the horrific genocide that was the Holocaust, and becomes a bigger douche than a detractor like me could even imagine.

Cobain befriended a homosexual student at school, and suffered bullying from heterosexual students who concluded that Cobain was gay. In an interview he said that he liked having the identity of being gay because he didn't like people and when they thought he was gay they left him alone. Kurt stated, "I started being really proud of the fact that I was gay even though I wasn't". His friend tried to kiss him and Kurt backed away and told his friend he was not gay but would still be friends with him. In a 1993 interview with The Advocate, Cobain claimed that he was "gay in spirit" and "probably could be bisexual." He also stated that he used to spray paint "God Is Gay" on pickup trucks in the Aberdeen area. However, Aberdeen police records show that the phrase for which he was arrested was actually "Ain't got no how watchamacallit".[24] One of his personal journals states, "I am not gay, although I wish I were, just to piss off homophobes.

Cobain enjoyed creating works of art. He would often draw during school classes, including objects associated with human anatomy. When given a caricature assignment for an art course, Cobain drew a posing Michael Jackson. When his art teacher told him the caricature would be inappropriate to be displayed in a school hallway, Cobain drew an unflattering sketch of then-President Ronald Reagan.[26]

re: #4 CuriousLurker

I know everyone has WikiLeaks fatigue, but for crying out loud:

In an interview with The Times on Tuesday, Assange compared WikiLeaks' "persecution" to that endured by Jews in the US in the 1950s.

You know, everytime I think, "Wow, this guy cannot possibly be a bigger turd" he goes and tops himself.

/slow clap

re: #4 CuriousLurker

I know everyone has WikiLeaks fatigue, but for crying out loud:

In an interview with The Times on Tuesday, Assange compared WikiLeaks' "persecution" to that endured by Jews in the US in the 1950s.

It's the new way: delusions of grandeur compounded by persecution complex. Politics today.

re: #5 Slumbering Behemoth

I've pretty much been trying to ignore the whole thing as I have work & other matters to deal with and don't have time to read up on it, but the whiny martyr thing reaaalllllyyy gets on my last nerve, especially in the context he's using it. PUHLEEZE.

Hi everyone. Long time no log-in. everyone in So Cal done building the canoe yet'

re: #9 elizajane

It's the new way: delusions of grandeur compounded by persecution complex. Politics today.

I'm so fucking awesome people must be out to get me.

re: #11 acwgusa

See what I get for typing on a mobile keyboard?

re: #7 WindUpBird

Cobain enjoyed creating works of art. He would often draw during school classes, including objects associated with human anatomy. When given a caricature assignment for an art course, Cobain drew a posing Michael Jackson. When his art teacher told him the caricature would be inappropriate to be displayed in a school hallway, Cobain drew an unflattering sketch of then-President Ronald Reagan.[26]

Cobain was a drug addict and killed himself when Francis was just a kid....... I don't put a lot of stock into anything he did.

"It’s not that I don’t like it, I’ve gotten it done to an art now (laughs) as getting out of it and putting it on actually. I kind of enjoyed the process in a way, there’s a certain aspect of the process I like. It’s just that continually doing this for like 34 shows, it’s like, ya know. It depends on the place, if there’s a place that has an extremely clean shower and you can literally get offstage and like peel it off and get the stuff off you quick, great. But if you have do a lot of moving back and fourth it can be, ya know, I tend to get sicker easier having that stuff on all the time. I had a bad run of luck with it on the first leg of the tour, I was using modeling clay and flour and uh I had an allergic reaction in Seattle I had a chemical burn actually in my eyes from the clay and the flour. It kept returning in subtler and subtler ways as I blocked more and more things as I kind of reduced everything down to food edible products and still on the beginning leg of this tour, I had the same thing happen to me in San Diego and so I realized that it was probably a food allergy with flour, it was probably something the doctors were saying this time. I was going to go to the emergency room again but I didn’t want to because I had this pavalovian response to but they called the hospital and said I might have a bakers allergy and so I stopped using flour and it’s finally under control but some of the most painful experiences."

-Nivek Ogre

re: #14 Mr Pancakes

Cobain was a drug addict and killed himself when Francis was just a kid... I don't put a lot of stock into anything he did.

depression is not something you can just bully away with reaganomics and Rush Limbaugh flatulence, son.

re: #14 Mr Pancakes

Good for you.

re: #16 WindUpBird

depression is not something you can just bully away with reaganomics and Rush Limbaugh flatulence, son.

No.... it takes a gun..... even tough you're on top on the world....... DUH.

I've gotta run. Have a nice night, everyone.

P.S. sizzleRI: You were right—Iron Jawed Angels was fantastic!

re: #14 Mr Pancakes

Cobain was a drug addict and killed himself when Francis was just a kid... I don't put a lot of stock into anything he did.

Not even his recently uncoverd side project?

re: #17 sizzleRI

Good for you.

see my 16

Now, clinical depression, and the untreated nature of such, that often leads to reckless thoughts, that themselves lead to suicide, these are things I have all too much familiarity with. Loved ones, grandmothers ( My mother bore witness to a botched suicide by her mother, where a closed door was the portal to the deed, which lead her to forbid any doors being closed in my home when I was growing up) friends, brothers. Brain chemistry isn't something that responds to morals, to will, no logic, or to the internet. it simply is, and stray misfires and missing chemicals lead someone to want tit all t stop, and there's a weapon in the house, and what do you know?

it stops.

re: #18 Mr Pancakes

I'm curious? You don't appreciate any artists (in any medium) who suffered? Who died from their suffering? If so? You'd be one of the few.

re: #18 Mr Pancakes

No... it takes a gun... even tough you're on top on the world... DUH.

fuck you, insect

re: #20 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not even his recently uncoverd side project?

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Great!!!

re: #11 acwgusa

Hi everyone. Long time no log-in. everyone in So Cal done building the canoe yet'

Oh yeah. My friend tells me via Facebook that it's been raining there for the past six days.

re: #23 WindUpBird

fuck you, insect

hahaha....... insect?

re: #21 WindUpBird

I'm sorry. Did I need a sarc tag for that? That was more of a fuck you really.

re: #25 eclectic infidel

Pretty much. I've started to collect two of every animal and am looking for wood for the ark.

re: #27 sizzleRI

I'm sorry. Did I need a sarc tag for that? That was more of a fuck you really.

ogh ok, sorry, just sorta not in the mood to be clever, talk to me on email :P

re: #22 sizzleRI

I'm curious? You don't appreciate any artists (in any medium) who suffered? Who died from their suffering? If so? You'd be one of the few.

Many artists suffered greatly ...... let's say Eric Clapton for example.. he went through some very tough times. He wrote great music during those trials in his life......

I'm only talking the wimpy way out....... suicide.

re: #29 WindUpBird

Me neither. I could only be sarcastic, and look where that go me. Know this is a cover, but still his was the best:

re: #26 Mr Pancakes

hahaha... insect?

learn something about SSRIs, about brain chemistry, about how wellbutrin works, about how prozac works, about how all these magical marvels work, and about how the prevent the brain from malfunctioning in such a way as to convince the motor skills of a human being to turn a shotgun on their own skull to blow apart their brain pan and end their own life.

And the after you've done some of that? Then come back and behave like an adult instead of a slow child who just sits and plays with his own waste in the internet sandbox.

re: #31 sizzleRI

That's the version I always do at karaoke, know it very well :)

re: #31 sizzleRI

two of my favorite things at once: northwest art and Bowie ^_^

re: #30 Mr Pancakes

I want to say so many angry things. But, I guess the nicest thing I can say is: I'm so happy you have been lucky enough to never have to deal with losing someone you love to such "a wimpy way out".

re: #32 WindUpBird

learn something about SSRIs, about brain chemistry, about how wellbutrin works, about how prozac works, about how all these magical marvels work, and about how the prevent the brain from malfunctioning in such a way as to convince the motor skills of a human being to turn a shotgun on their own skull to blow apart their brain pan and end their own life.

And the after you've done some of that? Then come back and behave like an adult instead of a slow child who just sits and plays with his own waste in the internet sandbox.

Well.... since I've tried all of those and many more...... are you saying they don't work?

I know Cobain is a grunge GOD to you........ but that is so 90's dude.

re: #35 sizzleRI

I want to say so many angry things. But, I guess the nicest thing I can say is: I'm so happy you have been lucky enough to never have to deal with losing someone you love to such "a wimpy way out".

"None of my friends have had brains that didn't act according to god's plan! I guess all people who commit suicide are dumb!"

Imagine if a psych nurse thought like Mr. pancakes did. 'Hey, fuck you, dumbshit! Your brain don't work? Your fault! Get confident, stupid! Then get out of my hospital and go huff some Smilex!"

re: #35 sizzleRI

I want to say so many angry things. But, I guess the nicest thing I can say is: I'm so happy you have been lucky enough to never have to deal with losing someone you love to such "a wimpy way out".

I haven't?

re: #36 Mr Pancakes

I am watching your dick deflate in front of me

Nice!

re: #38 Mr Pancakes

Maybe you have. And it changed you. My response was not the same as yours.

re: #39 WindUpBird

I am watching your dick deflate in front of me

Nice!

Ha.... you wish

I always felt like I was the last person to actually purchase Nevermind, I was 16 in 1999. I loved it so much.

re: #14 Mr Pancakes

Dude was obviously dealing with a lot of shit, much of that shit being many debilitating health problems unrelated to his drug abuse that he had since his youth.

I don't put much stock in what he had to say either, but mostly because he's just another guy to me, not because he committed suicide. It is a selfish act, but I can't judge. We're I in his shoes, with the health problems he had, I might very well do the same.

re: #36 Mr Pancakes

Who is a musician you admire for their sanity and morality?

re: #42 sizzleRI

Oh shit, really? I remember standing in my mother's bedroom when my very exicited high school friend I'd know for like 11 years was playing Teen Spirit to me over the phone :D

re: #44 sizzleRI

Who is a musician you admire for their sanity and morality?

I figured all of this had been settled when Bill Hicks plainly pointed it all out!

re: #44 sizzleRI

Who is a musician you admire for their sanity and morality?

re: #44 sizzleRI

Who is a musician you admire for their sanity and morality?

right now my favorite guitarist does tons of acid, takes craps in public, was almost killed by a sucker punch, and makes chainsaw sculptures :D

re: #47 Mr Pancakes

troll fail

re: #49 WindUpBird

troll fail

Hahhahaa

re: #44 sizzleRI

Who is a musician you admire for their sanity and morality?

Uh... Ted Nugent?

re: #48 WindUpBird

right now my favorite guitarist does tons of acid, takes craps in public, was almost killed by a sucker punch, and makes chainsaw sculptures :D

Alrighty then.....

re: #45 WindUpBird

ok totally out of the tone of this thread so far but I think you can appreciate. I listened to Nevermind almost non-stop the last half of my junior year in high school into the summer. Also the same time I started having regular sex. My boyfriend was a typical 17 year old guy and our joke was:

me: you lasted through two whole songs!

him: but they were Nirvana songs!

I'm literally sitting at my computer with my guitar, enjoying herr pancakes and his bad internet immensely

Oh Mr Pancakes. I guess you're one of those internet guys who gets all itchy and shitty whenever someone is too sincere or too interesting, too bad for you, we're having more fun being sincere!

re: #53 sizzleRI

ok totally out of the tone of this thread so far but I think you can appreciate. I listened to Nevermind almost non-stop the last half of my junior year in high school into the summer. Also the same time I started having regular sex. My boyfriend was a typical 17 year old guy and our joke was:

me: you lasted through two whole songs!

him: but they were Nirvana songs!

ahahahahaha yay

Well, I lost my virginity to RUSH so there's that

re: #44 sizzleRI

Who is a musician you admire for their sanity and morality?

None. Okay, maybe Chuck Schuldiner.

sometimes it's fun being a fag, it's just so great not operating on the same stage as the fratboy dullards

re: #54 WindUpBird

I'm literally sitting at my computer with my guitar, enjoying herr pancakes and his bad internet immensely

Oh Mr Pancakes. I guess you're one of those internet guys who gets all itchy and shitty whenever someone is too sincere or too interesting, too bad for you, we're having more fun being sincere!

Dude...... don't take my picking on your hero so literally...... it's ok man, it's ok.

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

None. Okay, maybe Chuck Schuldiner.

good answer!

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

None. Okay, maybe Chuck Schuldiner.

did I mention I saw the Cynic headlining show? Masvidal is the cutest teddy bear death metal guitarist on earth

re: #54 WindUpBird

Oh Mr Pancakes. I guess you're one of those internet guys who gets all itchy and shitty whenever someone is too sincere or too interesting, too bad for you, we're having more fun being sincere!

I doubt that's the case here, really. I don't agree with Mr. Pancakes on this particular issue, but I really doubt that's the case here.

re: #56 Slumbering Behemoth

I guess my point was it doesn't matter. I love Janis Joplin so much and I don't think her addiction or death cancel out how amazing her voice and music were.

This could go on for awhile.

The Nirvana hate kind of seems like a "you kids nowandays thing" plus a complete misunderstanding of mental illness.

re: #55 WindUpBird

ahahahahaha yay

Well, I lost my virginity to RUSH so there's that

THATS SO SAD! Does Limbaugh ever call you anymore?

re: #58 Mr Pancakes

Dude... don't take my picking on your hero so literally... it's ok man, it's ok.

Hero? He's just a guitarist I like. Among like 500, because I'm a musician and a dork who likes guitar tone.

Might it occur to you that I may be a survivor of multiple suicide attempts in my family and friends, so like. WHOA MAN! Maybe it's a thing! Maybe like being the eight millionth guy to go "fuck that stupid musician suicide lol!" might be a bit shitty?

re: #59 WindUpBird

good answer!

In the end, he turned to Jesus, which completely turned off a good bulk of his fans who began to denounce him. I was not one of those fans.

re: #62 sizzleRI

I guess my point was it doesn't matter. I love Janis Joplin so much and I don't think her addiction or death cancel out how amazing her voice and music were.

I don't think she killed herself on purpose. At least I never heard it to be a suicide.

re: #64 WindUpBird

Hero? He's just a guitarist I like. Among like 500, because I'm a musician and a dork who likes guitar tone.

Might it occur to you that I may be a survivor of multiple suicide attempts in my family and friends, so like. WHOA MAN! Maybe it's a thing! Maybe like being the eight millionth guy to go "fuck that stupid musician suicide lol!" might be a bit shitty?

Get a grip!

re: #55 WindUpBird

ahahahahaha yay

Well, I lost my virginity to RUSH so there's that

I lost my virginity while Eminem was playing. Loudly. I should probably find a cave to crawl into.

re: #65 Slumbering Behemoth

In the end, he turned to Jesus, which completely turned off a good bulk of his fans who began to denounce him. I was not one of those fans.

I'm a fan of the band Believer, can't bother me :D

re: #62 sizzleRI

The Nirvana hate kind of seems like a "you kids nowandays thing" plus a complete misunderstanding of mental illness.

Kurt's illness was far more physical than it was mental, but one can easily lead to the other. Besides, Pancakes likes the metal, so I doubt it's a "you kids nowandays thing".

Probably something more personal there, and I really don't intend to pick at that scab.

re: #68 sizzleRI

I lost my virginity while Eminem was playing. Loudly. I should probably find a cave to crawl into.

the problem is nobody loses their virginity when they have a tasteful breadth of experience from which to draw their musical sphere

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

Kurt's illness was far more physical than it was mental, but one can easily lead to the other. Besides, Pancakes likes the metal, so I doubt it's a "you kids nowandays thing".

Probably something more personal there, and I really don't intend to pick at that scab.

it's great because this is sort of a 20 year old argument for me, I remember defending the guy on BBSes right after he died

ahh memories!

re: #68 sizzleRI

I lost my virginity while Eminem was playing. Loudly. I should probably find a cave to crawl into.

Lost mine to the sounds of a sloshing water bed. It was pretty awkward. Fun, though.

re: #66 Mr Pancakes

Sure. Drinking and drugging yourself to death? Whatever, you just want to be difficult. You can throw Morrison (who I love as well) into that.

re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth

Kurt's illness was far more physical than it was mental, but one can easily lead to the other. Besides, Pancakes likes the metal, so I doubt it's a "you kids nowandays thing".

Probably something more personal there, and I really don't intend to pick at that scab.

I'm a big Hawkwind fan....... WUB forgets about that. I own Nevermind, In Utero, Insecticide, and Bleach ...... I love Nirvana.

re: #74 sizzleRI

Sure. Drinking and drugging yourself to death? Whatever, you just want to be difficult. You can throw Morrison (who I love as well) into that.

Ok...... intent would play here.....

re: #71 WindUpBird

the problem is nobody loses their virginity when they have a tasteful breadth of experience from which to draw their musical sphere

God I love you! Now? It would have been with a woman and the flaming lips as the musical score.

re: #72 WindUpBird

it's great because this is sort of a 20 year old argument for me, I remember defending the guy on BBSes right after he died

ahh memories!

I'm not really defending Kurt, but I'm not judging either. We all have our crosses to bear. His were childhood scoliosis, chronic breathing and painful digestive problems just for starters. All this before he became famous or started abusing drugs.

re: #75 Mr Pancakes

I'm a big Hawkwind fan... WUB forgets about that. I own Nevermind, In Utero, Insecticide, and Bleach ... I love Nirvana.

maybe it'd be cool if you didn't get the yuks on the mentally ill

if that were not a thing you did, we'd be square!

re: #76 Mr Pancakes

Sure. When I saw many of Van Gogh's works in person? I was just a total dick.

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm not really defending Kurt, but I'm not judging either. We all have our crosses to bear. His were childhood scoliosis, chronic breathing and painful digestive problems just for starters. All this before he became famous or started abusing drugs.

You forgot to mention he was married to Courtney Love. Yikes

re: #78 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm not really defending Kurt, but I'm not judging either. We all have our crosses to bear. His were childhood scoliosis, chronic breathing and painful digestive problems just for starters. All this before he became famous or started abusing drugs.

Smart and health-wise vulnerable people are often people I know well *_*

re: #73 Slumbering Behemoth

Thats difficult. How do you get leverage?

re: #80 sizzleRI

Sure. When I saw many of Van Gogh's works in person? I was just a total dick.

museum in amsterdam, that's the one!

re: #80 sizzleRI

Sure. When I saw many of Van Gogh's works in person? I was just a total dick.

I'd like to see his ear...... that's about it.

Finally a news story today of some real significance:

NZ military releases UFO files

The New Zealand military has released hundreds of previously classified reports, detailing claims of unidentified flying object (UFO) sightings and alien encounters.

The reports, dating from 1954 to 2009, were released under freedom of information laws after the New Zealand defence force removed names and other identifying material.

In about 2,000 pages of documents, members of the public, military personnel and commercial pilots outline close encounters, mostly involving moving lights in the sky.

Some of the accounts include drawings of flying saucers, descriptions of aliens wearing "pharaoh masks" and alleged examples of extraterrestrial writing.

[...]

Aha! Now we know for sure why Obama doesn't have a birth certificate - he's an alien for sure!

PEOPLE TO BE KILLED BY TANK COMMANDERS LISTENING TO STEPS

THE lifting of the ban on openly gay US troops will mean people being killed by tank commanders who are listening to upbeat euro pop, experts have warned.

The horror. THE HORROR.

re: #75 Mr Pancakes

I can dig it. Bleach was my favorite of the bunch.

Novoselic once hollered at me and some friends from a passing car. I am such the opposite of a "OMG, what is my favorite musician doing right now" kind of person that I just assumed he was a dude from one of my classes.

re: #84 WindUpBird

I chose not to do the Van Gogh on mushrooms experience. I don't like the hallucinogens. It was awesome on its own.

re: #87 shai_au

PEOPLE TO BE KILLED BY TANK COMMANDERS LISTENING TO STEPS

The horror. THE HORROR.

The vision of Lt Col Kilgore leading the helicopter assault from Apocalypse Now to "Jitterbug" by WHAM! just flashed thru my head.

re: #90 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The vision of Lt Col Kilgore leading the helicopter assault from Apocalypse Now to "Jitterbug" by WHAM! just flashed thru my head.

That is just crying out to be made into a YouTube video.

re: #83 sizzleRI

Thats difficult. How do you get leverage?

Like I said, it was awkward. And I was trying to play myself off as some kind of experienced casanova. The girl saw right through that bullshit. Still, it was fun.

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

I can dig it. Bleach was my favorite of the bunch.

Novoselic once hollered at me and some friends from a passing car. I am such the opposite of a "OMG, what is my favorite musician doing right now" kind of person that I just assumed he was a dude from one of my classes.

My son mooned Mike Patton at a Mr Bungle concert after the show when they sat down for dinner....... Mike cracked up.

re: #81 Mr Pancakes

Won't go there. Her "Fuck you Kurt" speech at the Seattle Center just after his suicide was just too fucking much. What a lousy...

re: #88 Slumbering Behemoth

I can dig it. Bleach was my favorite of the bunch.

Novoselic once hollered at me and some friends from a passing car. I am such the opposite of a "OMG, what is my favorite musician doing right now" kind of person that I just assumed he was a dude from one of my classes.

I almost got run over by Weird Al outside a club in Hollywood.

re: #94 Slumbering Behemoth

Won't go there. Her "Fuck you Kurt" speech at the Seattle Center just after his suicide was just too fucking much. What a lousy...

I don't remember the speech..... but they did have a young daughter. Maybe she was pissed.

re: #93 Mr Pancakes

Dig Mr. Bungle. Rather unique in an awesome way.

I got their first album when they were a "new thing" back in the day. I was driving my grandma around on some errands and stopped by a convenient record store to grab it.

She took one look at the cover art, deflated a bit, and asked, "Why, Behemoth? Why?"

re: #79 WindUpBird

maybe it'd be cool if you didn't get the yuks on the mentally ill

if that were not a thing you did, we'd be square!

I'm on antidepressants..... you're confusing me.

You just need to understand the way other people think about things without getting pissy....... it's not always your way.

re: #96 Mr Pancakes

I was living in Seattle at the time, so it was aired all over the gawt-damned place. It was pretty awful, and ticked off a good number of folks.

re: #97 Slumbering Behemoth

Dig Mr. Bungle. Rather unique in an awesome way.

I got their first album when they were a "new thing" back in the day. I was driving my grandma around on some errands and stopped by a convenient record store to grab it.

She took one look at the cover art, deflated a bit, and asked, "Why, Behemoth? Why?"

Hahahah..... that artwork is from "Cotton Candy Autopsy"..... I highly recocomend you listen to their album "California"..... it's their best and last.

re: #99 Slumbering Behemoth

I was living in Seattle at the time, so it was aired all over the gawt-damned place. It was pretty awful, and ticked off a good number of folks.

Yea.... then you were in the middle of it.

re: #100 Mr Pancakes

Hahahah... that artwork is from "Cotton Candy Autopsy"... I highly recocomend you listen to their album "California"... it's their best and last.

I used to crank this one at the Mexico border crossing ......... I got some looks I tellz ya.

re: #100 Mr Pancakes

Had every one of their albums up to California. Hit some tough times and sold a lot of my CD collection, the Bungles included.

Meh. Now I am single, and have absolutely no reason, nor any inclination, to sell off any of my music collection.

Beddy bye time..... night all!

re: #101 Mr Pancakes

Yea... then you were in the middle of it.

And then some. At the time, my roommate's mum called up and left him a message that we both heard at the same time. A really long one, consoling him, giving him support, and asking him not to take the news of Kurt's suicide too badly.

My poor roommate. All he could do was shake his head in embarrassment. He was so not taking anything badly.

I see that Pat Buchanan's latest article is a whine over the repeal of DADT. Over at townhall he gets the usual atta-boys, but there are a couple of self declared "conservatives" who are standing up for the right of gays to serve in the military. I get the feeling that the Buchanan crowd will find themselves overwhelmed by these gay-rights issues in the coming decade.

But the real purpose I'm righting this is that I saw that the Constitution Party is (of course) pushing the Buchanan piece, which led me to find out what happened to their previous Presidential candidate, Chuck Baldwin.

Turns out he's moved to Montana (from Florida), and recently penned this:

Time For Christians To Shred Their Bibles

[...]

I challenge Christians to objectively look at the great stories of Bible heroes (in both testaments) and observe how many times they are noted for either being martyred for defying a civil authority, or, perhaps, for being delivered from death for defying a civil authority. The stories of defiance to civil government (in one form or another) comprise a great percentage of all the stories contained in the Bible–perhaps even a majority of them.

So, how has it happened that a majority of today’s Christians, it seems, have become such sheepish slaves of government? How has it happened that, for the most part, the concept of courage in the face of government oppression has been totally lost to the average Christian, pastor, and church? [...]

[and more screed about the cowardice of Christians in the face of government persecution, and ends with a plea for support for a Paul/Baldwin ticket in the next election]

Baldwin is playing the persecution card, escaped to Montana from sunny Florida, a move which was prefaced by him declaring

"Accordingly, I think all this talk about "saving America" is largely a complete waste of time and energy."

and on Sept. 1 he wrote a piece saying that God had called him to Montana after retiring from his pastor-job of 35 years:

"God has led us to the conviction that Montana (along with other Mountain states) is going to be the tip of the spear in the freedom fight; and we believe God wants us to be part of that fight. "

Baldwin is treading a well-worn path towards senile nut-hood. And, given his adoration of things gun-like, there is a risk of someday of it turning into something uglier.

The rise of gay rights will be hard for the Baldwins of this nation.

re: #87 shai_au

"Currently there's nothing in the Geneva Convention about Steps, Erasure, or even the Pet Shop Boys. Perhaps there should be."

Heh. Is that site like the Brit equivalent to The Onion?

BTW, Baldwin is just wrong is his assertion about the Bible.

Heh, what else is new.

The Gospels are about a man who was martyred for defying the religious authorities, not civil.

The OT prophets lamented over Israel defying God.

And so on. But Baldwin is not concerned with the truth, only with his own delusions of importance .

re: #106 freetoken

"So, how has it happened that a majority of today’s Christians, it seems, have become such sheepish slaves of government? How has it happened that, for the most part, the concept of courage in the face of government oppression has been totally lost to the average Christian, pastor, and church?"

And how is it that pernicious tw@s like Baldwin will go from "Render unto Caesar" to this kind of crap at the flick of a switch?

Great googly moogly, how I so dislike the use of religious rhetoric to pander to the credulous on political issues. If there were a place like Hell...

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

And how is it that pernicious tw@s like Baldwin will go from "Render unto Caesar" to this kind of crap at the flick of a switch?

Apparently, very easily, given the plethora of preachers like him.

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

If there were a place like Hell...

... this dick would end up sharing a cell with the likes of Goebbels.

There. I said it. Gawt-damnit and Godwin it!

re: #107 Slumbering Behemoth

Heh. Is that site like the Brit equivalent to The Onion?

It's laced with a lot more profanity, but yes, basically. It's the British tabloid version of The Onion.

The rain "hose" is pointed at northern San Diego and southern Orange counties right now:

[Link: radar.weather.gov...]

I suppose it will be drifting south. Which means I'll get drenched walking to the gym.

I keep telling myself the rain is good for the loquats, but I think they've had enough for now.

So I guess they're going with that whole Tim Powers thing for the next PotC.

I recall being rather impressed with that story as a teenager. Not sure how it would hold up to my current tastes. Still, I think I'd like to see a more faithful adaptation of the original than Disney is likely to produce.

I'm thinking of reading this book:
The History of White People

It certainly seems to have garnered some opposing comments.

re: #116 freetoken

Shit. I get to talking about a piece of fiction full of zombies, black magic, and pirates, then you drop that?

I can't compete.
:)

re: #117 Slumbering Behemoth

Maybe someday someone will write a book about zombie racist pirates who cast magical spells?

re: #118 freetoken

Maybe someday someone will write a book about zombie racist pirates who cast magical spells?

GAWT-DAMNIT! ZOMBIES AREN'T RACIST!!!
/they hunger for everyone's brains equally, without regard to ethnicity.

Heh. Night, FT. Sleep well and dream of large women.

re: #119 Slumbering Behemoth

Vizzini: I can't compete with you physically, and you're no match for my brains.
Man in Black: You're that smart?
Vizzini: Let me put it this way. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates?
Man in Black: Yes.
Vizzini: Morons.

Good Morning Lizards!

"Anti-Jew, anti-American 24/7 brainwashing." - My dad on Iranian's state-run PressTV, one of the few foreign channels available in Oman.

Just posted this in pages:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

After years of procedural fuckups, a bank broke into a woman's property and took all her stuff, including her husband's ashes.

re: #124 Obdicut

Okay, I'm really rooting WikiLeaks on for their bank documents...

re: #125 laZardo

Will that actually fix anything?

We don't need Wikileaks. We already know what the banks are doing wrong. What we need is to take action on it.

re: #127 laZardo

Will that actually fix anything, either?

re: #128 Obdicut

There'll be smaller and hopefully more responsible banks to take their place. Used to be a time when banks were just that, places to store your money safely. When they can't even do that now without literally robbing someone's house, someone has to hit back.

re: #129 laZardo

There'll be smaller and hopefully more responsible banks to take their place.

Yeah. Hopefully. A one-time crackdown isn't going to enforce better behavior over time, as long as the same economic and cultural conditions prevail.

Used to be a time when banks were just that, places to store your money safely.

When was this?

Morning, all.

re: #130 Obdicut

Yeah. Hopefully. A one-time crackdown isn't going to enforce better behavior over time, as long as the same economic and cultural conditions prevail.

When was this?

Didn't you see "It's a Wonderful Life"?
//

re: #130 Obdicut

Yeah. Hopefully. A one-time crackdown isn't going to enforce better behavior over time, as long as the same economic and cultural conditions prevail.

Economic and cultural conditions are changing. I can only hope they're translated into better action than a fine-based slap on the wrist or stimulus/reward money.

When was this?

Probably before you or I were even born. Of course, banks weren't as secure when all the money was behind that big metal vault door.

re: #133 laZardo

Economic and cultural conditions are changing. I can only hope they're translated into better action than a fine-based slap on the wrist or stimulus/reward money.

I don't see conditions changing, except for the worse. The huge financial criss that just happened was the result of banks and other institutions playing silly buggers with financial instruments, yet regulation is still a hard sell.

Probably before you or I were even born. Of course, banks weren't as secure when all the money was behind that big metal vault door.

I'm sorry, but there never has been a time period like what you're talking about. Ever.

I wonder if any of the Dugger children will ever be on "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew".

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wonder if any of the Dugger children will ever be on "Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew".

Eventually.

re: #136 researchok

Wouldn't it be funny if we all found out in 20 years that off-camera the Dugger home was like a Gilbert Gottfried re-telling of the Aristocrats joke?

re: #134 Obdicut

I don't see conditions changing, except for the worse. The huge financial criss that just happened was the result of banks and other institutions playing silly buggers with financial instruments, yet regulation is still a hard sell.

Lobbyists and conservo-capitalists that reflexively scream "COMM'NISM!" still have plenty of clout, I agree.

re: #138 laZardo

It's more than 'plenty'. They have increasing clout.

re: #139 Obdicut

As long as there are "Friends of Angelo" we're screwed.

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

(that wasn't a shot at Dems, but at the culture)

re: #137 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wouldn't it be funny if we all found out in 20 years that off-camera the Dugger home was like a Gilbert Gottfried re-telling of the Aristocrats joke?

I wouldn't be surprised if some of those kids became Gilbert Gottfried.

That said, I suspect there are a lot og products out there that are crying for a 'shoehorn on a stick' infomercial.

Morning all.

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yeah, the Keating 5, the S&L scandal in general; the problem isn't partisan. Except to the extent that in general, the GOP opposes nearly all regulation.

The Democrats are about half corporatists. Still far too many.

Man, I'm still sick as a dog...and I have to travel later today or really early tomorrow AM.

re: #145 researchok

Eat tons of ginger until you smell like ginger and ginger is coming out your ears.

And hydrate the hell out of yourself.

Feel better, dude.

re: #144 Obdicut

I don't think it's regulation as much as it is sneaky fucking snakes in the grass who would thumb their noses at regulations.

There are some rule and regs against "Friends of Angelo" bullshit. Didn't help.

re: #146 Obdicut

Or you could eat MaryAnne... your choice.

re: #147 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It is regulation. You need to actually enforce it, but you need to have the rules in the first place.

What we need is an evolutionary regulatory system that can actually match the evolutionary nature of the financial instruments market. Basically, the new financial instruments should have to pass some sort of test before they're allowed; the bundled securities should have never been allowed in the first place.

re: #146 Obdicut

Eat tons of ginger until you smell like ginger and ginger is coming out your ears.

And hydrate the hell out of yourself.

Feel better, dude.

Yeah, I've been drinking ginger ale and the biggest meal I've had in the last few days has been a less than a handful of saltines.

re: #150 researchok

Try to get some food in you if you can. Bland eggs, dry toast, whatever you can get down.

During that terrible ear infection I had recently, I forgot to drink any coffee, so I got to experience a caffeine withdrawal migraine while having a 103 fever. That's going to stay on my list of all-time suck.

Ear infections are about as close to tooth pain as you can get- bummer.

I have a half a cup of coffee...no more. As for food, I just can't eat a whole lot. Feels like there is a guy on a riding mower in my gut.

I have to travel tonight or early tomorrow AM into DC again. Ugh.

Alright, I'm outta.here.

This time I'm going to turn off the phone ringer, too.

I don't think I can listen to a cheese of the month solicitation call....

Later all

re: #152 researchok

Umberto Eco wrote a great story about travelling while sick in his book "How To Travel With a Salmon".

Short summation: It sucks.

re: #154 Obdicut

Harry... it sucks.
30,000 Pounds of Bananas
-Harry Chapin

re: #155 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

my favorite

re: #156 Obdicut

Laws yes! M-O-O-N! That spells "stoned"!

Yesterday I made the point that the president deserves none of the credit for the repeal of DADT which he'll sign (and take credit for) today. I suggested Nancy Pelosi deserves most of the credit but The Hill says:

Gay rights advocates say Dem leader Hoyer saved ‘Don’t ask’ repeal
[Link: thehill.com...]

When Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) led more than a dozen lawmakers onto a Capitol stage Tuesday to commemorate the repeal of the military’s “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy, she earned a minute-long standing ovation from a packed auditorium of gay rights supporters.

But behind the scenes, several leading gay rights advocates say it is Pelosi’s chief deputy and former rival, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.), who deserves the lion’s share of credit for pushing the legislation across the finish line in recent weeks.

“He brought it back from the dead twice,” said Winnie Stachelberg, senior vice president at the Center for American Progress, who represented the liberal think tank in meetings on the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” repeal bill.

re: #158 RogueOne

I will happily give full credit deserved to anyone and everyone involved in passing the repeal.

re: #158 RogueOne

Lieberman deserves credit, too.

It's also, of course, idiotic that anyone needs credit at all after the report from the military. It should have just been a shoo-in.

re: #154 Obdicut

Umberto Eco wrote a great story about travelling while sick in his book "How To Travel With a Salmon".

Short summation: It sucks.

I'm going up to Baguio for the family Christmas vacation tomorrow morning, and I have a cold.

JOY!

/

re: #160 Obdicut

Lieberman deserves credit, too.

It's also, of course, idiotic that anyone needs credit at all after the report from the military. It should have just been a shoo-in.

Someone should put a bag of flaming poop on McCain's porch...
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re: #162 Varek Raith

Someone should put a bag of flaming poop on McCain's porch...
///

The sight of him shouting "DAMN KIDS!" would be classic.

WTF is up with McCain?
Is this his true face?
Or just a mask to fit in with the TeaParties?
Or both?
Sheesh, all respect for that man is in the negatives.

Matt Lauer believes the size of the package is very important:

re: #165 RogueOne

Matt Lauer believes the size of the package is very important:

[Video]

Awesome, he's just like one of us!
:P

re: #164 Varek Raith

He's 100% Navy from a family that's 100% Navy. I don't find it at all surprising that the only time he waffled on the issue was during the last presidential race. I don't agree with his stance but I understand where he's coming from. I talked to a lot of military buddies during the argument and even among those that thought DADT should go away there was still a sense that it is going to change their "beloved corp" forever. "My beloved Corp" was an actual quote from a friend of mine, I had a good time harassing the shit out of him.

re: #167 RogueOne

He said he'd accept the report from the military, then rejected that report.

re: #167 RogueOne

He's 100% Navy from a family that's 100% Navy.

Then he should've gotten the hint 30 years ago.

re: #169 laZardo

Then he should've gotten the hint 30 years ago.

[Video]

I'll see that and raise you this;

re: #169 laZardo

That's exactly how they do it. I'm surprised anyone in the navy is against the repeal.

/Go Army.

re: #170 Varek Raith

I love that one! That's the best.

Off to get some work accomplished. Enjoy the day people.

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. On a happy note, Jib Jab has done their annual year end roundup...

Without further ado...

Are there any other animals besides humans that commit suicide?

re: #175 harald

Are there any other animals besides humans that commit suicide?

dolphins.

re: #174 lawhawk

Gave us a good laugh this am, thanks. I wonder if anyone will gripe about Obamas' huge ears on that puppet.

re: #170 Varek Raith

I'll see that and raise you this;

[Video]

Call.

/curse you, article 9~

re: #176 Alouette

& whales I think.

re: #176 Alouette

True? They get depressed like we do? Never knew that!

re: #176 Alouette

True? Dolphins get depressed like we do? Never knew!

re: #180 harald

re: #181 harald

Apologize for the dublette.

re: #180 harald

True? They get depressed like we do? Never knew that!

Just watched "The Cove" a couple of days ago. The producer claimed that the star of "Flipper" killed herself. Maybe it was the whole Hollywood scene.

re: #175 harald
Lemmings?

re: #175 harald
Oh yeah, and field mice that decide to nest right above the muffler on my log splitter.

re: #184 Shropshire_Slasher

Lemmings?

Is that not more like collective hysteria combined with superdumb groupthink and inability to see more than 20 cm ahead?

re: #183 Alouette

Just watched "The Cove" a couple of days ago. The producer claimed that the star of "Flipper" killed herself. Maybe it was the whole Hollywood scene.

Hollywood can be hard on its teens.

more rain, severe rain in CA today
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #188 albusteve

more rain, severe rain in CA today
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

That means I'm going to get really fucking wet when I take the dogs to the beach. And after four days at the dog-hostel, they get their day at the beach.

re: #188 albusteve

The situation is pretty bad in and around Utah as well. Zion National Park is closed until further notice because of ongoing flooding and the possibility that a dam above the canyon might give way and send a deluge through the park. The Virgin River, that runs through the park is normally at 40-50 cfm. It's at 5,000+ and may go as high as 8,000 cfm.

And more precip is on the way.

re: #189 darthstar

That means I'm going to get really fucking wet when I take the dogs to the beach. And after four days at the dog-hostel, they get their day at the beach.

Never mind...that's mostly southern California...we've got rain here but not torrential rain all day...it'll still be wet but at least it's not Southern California.`

re: #190 lawhawk

The situation is pretty bad in and around Utah as well. Zion National Park is closed until further notice because of ongoing flooding and the possibility that a dam above the canyon might give way and send a deluge through the park. The Virgin River, that runs through the park is normally at 40-50 cfm. It's at 5,000+ and may go as high as 8,000 cfm.

And more precip is on the way.

Zion would be a nightmare during flooding....several people have died there in the past, swept away....beautiful, but deadly

Good news!
In Chicago, all four firefighters who were trapped when a roof collapsed this morning, have been rescued.

re: #192 albusteve

Yeah, the slot canyons and the Narrows are a hellish place to be when it rains upstream. You wont know there's an issue until it's too late - and it's a problem found all over the Southwest in those kind of canyons. Beautiful, but deadly if you don't respect 'em.

I tried to comment in one of the pages and it said, "This item is closed".
Feature?

when a 1/10th% is newsworthy....recovery!
[Link: money.cnn.com...]

re: #195 Varek Raith

I tried to comment in one of the pages and it said, "This item is closed".
Feature?

Huh, now that page is gone...

re: #196 albusteve

when a 1/10th% is newsworthy...recovery!
[Link: money.cnn.com...]

Hey Steve.
How's the recovery?

re: #197 Varek Raith

Huh, now that page is gone...

What page is it?

re: #198 Varek Raith

Hey Steve.
How's the recovery?

I mean yours, not the economy.

re: #199 Alouette

What page is it?

MikeySDCA's page on Net Neutrality. I can't find it anymore.

the women at UConn did it....89 in a row for their BB team....be awhile before that record falls I bet....congratulations
[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]

re: #198 Varek Raith

Hey Steve.
How's the recovery?

just twaddling along with my trusty wound vac, watching the paint dry....
if boredom was fatal, I would have been dead over a year ago

re: #16 WindUpBird

depression is not something you can just bully away with reaganomics and Rush Limbaugh flatulence, son.

Having nearly ended my own life at the end of my belt, I wholeheartedly agree.

anybody interested in this flick?...
[Link: www.truegritmovie.com...]

"fill yer hand, Ned Chaney!"

re: #205 albusteve

anybody interested in this flick?...
[Link: www.truegritmovie.com...]

"fill yer hand, Ned Chaney!"

I liked the original with The Duke. Would like to see the Coen Brother's version.

re: #206 Alouette

"The Duke Abides."

Headin' to bed.

Merry Christmas.

re: #202 albusteve

At least 90 games.... ;>)

re: #175 harald

Are there any other animals besides humans that commit suicide?

There are several species of insects that blow themselves up to protect the nest or the herd.

Bottom story of the day:

Anna Chapman photos to appear in Playboy.

re: #211 lawhawk

Bottom story of the day:

Anna Chapman photos to appear in Playboy.

30 minutes later.... I g

re: #212 Buck

Wow... Just wow... less than 5 postings on all LGF since I posted about Chapman... (including spinoffs, comments, etc.)

Ah, the power of Russian spy.

re: #213 lawhawk

Wow... Just wow... less than 5 postings on all LGF since I posted about Chapman... (including spinoffs, comments, etc.)

Ah, the power of Russian spy.

quite dead....amazing, considering how fast the morning thread used to fly

re: #213 lawhawk

Wow... Just wow... less than 5 postings on all LGF since I posted about Chapman... (including spinoffs, comments, etc.)

Ah, the power of Russian spy.

Ya, I finished (reading the article smartass) in only a few minutes....

re: #193 reine.de.tout

Unfortunately, it looks like 2 firefighters were killed and 14 others injured in that fire in Chicago when the roof collapsed.

re: #212 Buck
She needs to eat something

re: #217 Shropshire_Slasher
But I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating crackers either

re: #218 Shropshire_Slasher

But I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating crackers either

Ya, I would probably kick her out of bed:

#1 for not being MY WIFE.
and
#2 For spying.

re: #216 lawhawk

Unfortunately, it looks like 2 firefighters were killed and 14 others injured in that fire in Chicago when the roof collapsed.

Oh, hell.
I was just following the trapped firefighters story - didn't see anything about the others.