Overnight Open Thread
Advertisement is an absolute necessity of modern life, and if it can be made beautiful as well as obvious, so much the better for the makers of soap and the public who are likely to wash.
— Aubrey Beardsley
Advertisement is an absolute necessity of modern life, and if it can be made beautiful as well as obvious, so much the better for the makers of soap and the public who are likely to wash.
— Aubrey Beardsley
2 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:26:28pm |
I find it somewhat ironic that the blog ad is for soap right now.
3 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:26:56pm |
As I said in the last thread, this dude is just begging for it.
I don’t figure on him enjoying the freedoms he takes for granted very much longer.
4 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:28:39pm |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth
As I said in the last thread, this dude is just begging for it.
I don’t figure on him enjoying the freedoms he takes for granted very much longer.
The problem is asymetrical warfare lasts only as long as the enemy doesn’t decide its better off just dropping a hammer on the whole deal.
5 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:32:00pm |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth
As I said in the last thread, this dude is just begging for it.
I don’t figure on him enjoying the freedoms he takes for granted very much longer.
That was dated March 9th. So far his war has been quite the “Sitzkrieg” (Phoney War).
6 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:34:23pm |
Also, classical guerrilla warfare is meant to destabilize the government in power while generating popular support for the guerrilla group, eventually allowing them to wage a conventional military campaign and/or force the government into talks. By targeting businesses, they’ll alienate the public and marginalize themselves.
These are fools and they’ll end up badly.
7 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:35:55pm |
You do not truly understand the beauty of soap until you spend time around pubescent boys.
8 | Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:36:45pm |
But there is little doubt that they are capable of brutal actions. Hoglund, the HBGary CEO, said that as part of their attack on his corporate affiliate HBGary Federal, Anonymous members collected personal information on company employees, including Social Security numbers, home addresses and the names of their children. Some employees received death threats, he said.
Ethical law breaking at it’s finest.
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9 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:38:08pm |
10 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:41:55pm |
Snow?
Is this some kind of pre-April fool’s joke???
Evening…er, uh, morning? Something.
11 | freetoken Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:42:21pm |
13:12 27 March
NEWS ADVISORY: 10 mil. times normal level of radioactivity in water at No.2 reactor
12:26 27 March
NEWS ADVISORY: Radioactive iodine 134 extremely high in water at No.2 reactor: agency
Good grief.
I don’t know if Kyodo got it right at 10 million times… or what fraction of that is from I134, but Iodine 134 has a very short half life - 4 minutes or 52 minutes (depending on state). Yet the reactor was supposedly shut down (rods inserted) immediately when the quake struck 15 days ago.
Something is wrong.
12 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:43:10pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Good grief.
I don’t know if Kyodo got it right at 10 million times… or what fraction of that is from I134, but Iodine 134 has a very short half life - 4 minutes or 52 minutes (depending on state). Yet the reactor was supposedly shut down (rods inserted) immediately when the quake struck 15 days ago.
Something is wrong.
Whoa… That can’t be right.
10 million times.
Holy shit if that’s true.
13 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:46:46pm |
re: #7 EmmmieG
You do not truly understand the beauty of soap until you spend time around pubescent boys.
They go from smelling like puppy dog and outdoors to just flat out funky real quick.
14 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:47:40pm |
re: #13 moderatelyradicalliberal
They go from smelling like puppy dog and outdoors to just flat out funky real quick.
Raging hormones FTW.
15 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:51:43pm |
re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Raging hormones FTW.
Soap and deodorant take care of the funk, but the other side effects of raging hormones, not so much.
16 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:51:59pm |
re: #10 Varek Raith
Snow?
Is this some kind of pre-April fool’s joke???Evening…er, uh, morning? Something.
When I was going to college in Massachusetts, we had a snowstorm on the morning of May 1.
The pagans in the dorm were roundly blamed by everyone else, for not having made sufficient Bealtaine whoopee the night before. They had a bunch of lame excuses, like steady girlfriends in Cleveland and stuff.
17 | freetoken Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:52:16pm |
re: #12 Varek Raith
Whoa… That can’t be right.
10 million times.
Holy shit if that’s true.
It’s not clear to me what Kyodo believes is “normal level of radioactivity in water at No.2 reactor”.
18 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:52:27pm |
re: #13 moderatelyradicalliberal
They go from smelling like puppy dog and outdoors to just flat out funky real quick.
And then they spray AXE all over it, and figure they’ve solved the problem.
19 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:54:22pm |
re: #17 freetoken
It’s not clear to me what Kyodo believes is “normal level of radioactivity in water at No.2 reactor”.
Whatever ‘normal’ is, this is worse.
20 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:54:41pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
And then they spray AXE all over it, and figure they’ve solved the problem.
LOL! And wonder why the chicks aren’t flocking to them like in the commercials. Now when I was around that age the preferred funk cover upper was Cool Water cologne. It makes me gag to this day.
21 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:54:50pm |
re: #18 SanFranciscoZionist
And then they spray AXE all over it, and figure they’ve solved the problem.
22 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:57:42pm |
re: #11 freetoken
Good grief.
I don’t know if Kyodo got it right at 10 million times… or what fraction of that is from I134, but Iodine 134 has a very short half life - 4 minutes or 52 minutes (depending on state). Yet the reactor was supposedly shut down (rods inserted) immediately when the quake struck 15 days ago.
Something is wrong.
I feel like these numbers have no context. What do they mean for humans? 10 million times above normal sounds like “you will have cancer by tomorrow”.
23 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:02:10pm |
re: #22 moderatelyradicalliberal
I feel like these numbers have no context. What do they mean for humans? 10 million times above normal sounds like “you will have cancer by tomorrow”.
Yeah, it would’ve been helpful if they said what amount of radiation. Either in sieverts or gray or what have you.
24 | freetoken Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:02:26pm |
re: #22 moderatelyradicalliberal
In yesterday’s reporting, in response to the 3 workers exposed to radioactive elements in the water in the room in which they were dropping electrical cables, I believe the authorities said the levels were 10,000 x the usual dose rate. I think the usual dose rate inside the turbine building was 50 microsieverts per hour (and thus 10,000 times that would be 500 millisvts/hr). Multiply by 1000x more and you get 500 sieverts/hr.
At that rate you don’t have to worry about cancer - you won’t make it to the emergency room.
25 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:06:37pm |
Scott Walker Email Analysis Raises Questions About Governor’s Claims
Seeking a way to counter a growing protest movement, Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker cited his email, confidently declaring that most people writing his office had urged him to eliminate nearly all union rights for state workers.
But an Associated Press analysis of the emails shows that, for close to a week, messages in Walker’s inbox were running roughly 2-to-1 against his plans. The tide did not turn in his favor until shortly after desperate Democrats fled the state to stop a vote they knew they would lose.
The AP analyzed more than 26,000 emails sent to Walker from the time he formally announced his plans until he first mentioned the emails in public – a span of seven days.
26 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:07:55pm |
Egypt Air removes Israel from map
Egypt Air, the largest airline in Egypt, has removed Israel from the map – literally. On its website, Ynet has learned, Jordan’s land reaches the Mediterranean Sea.
The airline’s subsidiary, Air Sinai, flies to Israel regularly, but customers seeking flights to Ben Gurion National Airport will have a hard time finding them. On the map are the names of the Mideast capitals – Amman, Beirut, and Damascus – but Israel is nowhere to be found.Egypt Air is the first large airline to have omitted the state from its map of destinations. Other airlines based in Muslim countries, such as Turkish Airlines and Royal Jordanian, include Israel and Tel Aviv on its maps.
27 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:10:24pm |
Israeli rocket defense system to go online
JERUSALEM (AP) — The Israeli military says a new defense system against rockets fired from the Gaza Strip will now become operational in the south of the country.
The Iron Dome anti-rocket system will go online in the area of Beersheba, southern Israel’s largest city on Sunday, the military said, adding that a second missile battery will be deployed soon in another large southern city, Ashdod, without specifying an exact date.
Defense Minister Ehud Barak announced last week that the new system was being put into place after weeks of stepped up Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks and Israeli reprisals.
28 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:11:05pm |
re: #26 NJDhockeyfan
Well, that’s one negative result of the removal of Mubarak. Hopefully, its the worst of them, but I fear not.
29 | Irenicum Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:15:16pm |
re: #26 NJDhockeyfan
This may be telling concerning the leadership of Egypt Air more than who will lead Egypt overall. It may be a jockeying move. Rhetoric is as much a political tool as anything else.
30 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:17:17pm |
re: #29 Irenicum
This may be telling concerning the leadership of Egypt Air more than who will lead Egypt overall. It may be a jockeying move. Rhetoric is as much a political tool as anything else.
Or someone in the web page department overstepped themselves.
31 | austin_blue Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:17:23pm |
First, a reprint from a previous thread of which I am rather proud concerning La Bachmann:
Ahem..
La la la..
Ahem..
She… is the very model of a modern tea bag whacko job
She panders so relentlessly her brain must be a small doorknob
She lies and claims that they are facts, is loved by every racist yob
She is the very model of the modern tea bag whacko job!
[bows]
[exits, stage left]
Second, good night my friends. Stay scaly.
Oh, by the way, Ice and Jimmah, we will be in London on the 15th and 16th of April. Love to buy you a pint.
32 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:19:03pm |
Goldberg: When world chooses to see no evil
In the post-9/11 age, you would think that we would be hypersensitive to terrorist incidents. We tell ourselves that we have gotten tough and have a zero tolerance toward terrorism anywhere around the globe. So I ask, given all this rhetoric and chest-pounding against terrorism, why is it that one of the most brutal and heinous acts I have heard of has received little air time in the media and why politicians remain mute on what happened to the Fogel family in Israel recently?Even though more than a week has gone by, I find myself compelled to write about it. The horrific and barbaric nature of the attack has shocked me to my core, even after 9/11, when I witnessed thousands of people murdered. But the masters of evil have seemingly upped the ante. To repeatedly stab a 4-year-old (Elad Fogel) in the chest and to slit the throat of a little 3-month-old baby (Hadas Fogel) goes beyond the scope of imagination. How sad it is that somehow the brutal slayings of the other people in the family — Ruth, 35, Udi, 36, and even Yoav, 11 — seem like misdemeanors when compared to the killings of the younger Fogels.
Though the attack was shocking and horrific, the sullen quiet of the media and the world in covering and denouncing this act of barbarism is heartbreaking and mystifying. I have not seen a major news outlet do a report on this and all the information I have gotten has been through friends on the Internet and the Israeli media.
33 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:19:03pm |
re: #30 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Or someone in the web page department overstepped themselves.
Nope. Clearly these are orders from the very top of the leadership in Egypt. Couldn’t possibly be anything else.
34 | Irenicum Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:19:23pm |
re: #26 NJDhockeyfan
Though I do worry about whether Muslim radicalism will end up ruling the day so to speak in the Egypt of “tomorrow”. Obviously my hope is otherwise. Secular and tolerant governments actually concerned about individual rights, religious or otherwise, is our best hope, in my humble opinion.
35 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:19:44pm |
re: #33 Varek Raith
Nope. Clearly these are orders from the very top of the leadership in Egypt. Couldn’t possibly be anything else.
Who is the top leadership in Egypt?
36 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:20:17pm |
37 | Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:20:20pm |
Good evening lizards. From the last thread discussion I had a few thoughts:
re: #453 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, it’s an interesting topic, and one that’s got so many moving parts and gears and such that it’s awfully hard to sort out.
My favorite random gender thing is the study that seemed to show that male vervet monkeys prefer cars and stuffed animals, and girl vervet monkeys prefer toy cooking gear and baby dolls.
This was supposed, by a number of people, to show that gender differences are innate.
What they couldn’t explain to me is, since vervet monkeys in the wild don’t drive, cook, or raise human children, how in God’s name they could have some sort of innate attraction to these gendered toys.
I’m still waiting for some sort of rational explanation for this. The best one I’ve heard so far is from a basketball coach at my old school, who believes that females have an innate attraction to small containers, which he believes explains the toy cookware thing.
A female vervet may be more interested in raising young vervets while a male vervet may be more concerned with things like territory and the animals within (competitors, predators). So that might explain the doll choices. Though it could just as easily come down to things that we will never know like the shininess of the car or the colors of the doll.
But the above experiment doesn’t reveal anything concrete about gender and sexual roles in nature. Once you are talking about non-human sexes things can get complicated. Many fish, for example, form harems with a single or few individuals of a particular sex in the top role with the remainder being the opposite sex. If the dominant female (or male, it depends on species but is easier to convey this way) dies or is taken away the dominant males will fight until one gains the top spot and assumes the social role. If they can maintain that role they eventually physically change into a female, including sometimes complex changes to sex organs, coloration, fins, body morphology, etc. And sometimes these changes are even reversible. So if a stronger female comes along she might be able to “demote” the other female to a male.
Just try talking to a fundamentalist about animals that change their gender based on social cues. Or that there are homosexual animals. It is worth it for the reaction alone.
re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist
One monkey operates the brakes and the gas, one steers…what could go wrong?
For this to be successful I’d imagine you need at least 3 monkeys. 1 to steer, 1 for the brakes, and 1 for the gas. Though it would depend on what you define as success. :)
38 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:20:32pm |
re: #33 Varek Raith
Nope. Clearly these are orders from the very top of the leadership in Egypt. Couldn’t possibly be anything else.
I sense the hand of George Soros is somehow involved.
The hand other than the one he uses to pet the long haired cat that sits in the lap of his futuristic jumpsuit, that is.
40 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:22:23pm |
re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I sense the hand of George Soros is somehow involved.
The hand other than the one he uses to pet the long haired cat that sits in the lap of his futuristic jumpsuit, that is.
Peter King (R - IRA Sympathizer) will hold hearings.
41 | TedStriker Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:25:23pm |
re: #20 moderatelyradicalliberal
LOL! And wonder why the chicks aren’t flocking to them like in the commercials. Now when I was around that age the preferred funk cover upper was Cool Water cologne. It makes me gag to this day.
I love Cool Water…the thing is a lot goes a long way, but I love the scent.
42 | Kragar Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:28:54pm |
re: #41 talon_262
I love Cool Water…the thing is a lot goes a long way, but I love the scent.
As far as funk goes, a little witch hazel works wonders.
43 | Tsuga Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:29:34pm |
Time for an introduction. I’ve been reading this site for months and finally decided to join, though the first few times I always seemed to barely miss the openings. Glad to be here now. The ideological diversity here is refreshing and I expect to be challenged at times by smart people with different ideas than I have. I probably won’t spend huge amounts of time on the long running conversations here but will pop up from time to time when I feel I have something to add.
Tsuga is the Japanese name for the hemlock tree, a name also adopted by botanists as the scientific name for this group of very nice conifers which has several species in North America and east Asia. It’s no relation to the infamous herb but unfortunately shares the same name.
As for my politics, I started out as a very liberal teenager back in the 1970s but gradually soured on liberalism in the late 1970s. For 25 years after that I called myself a moderate though I was liberal on social issues. I could not abide the pro-corporate policies of the Republicans, which tried to leave consumers and the environment relatively unprotected, yet I also could not relate to holdover classic liberals and their way of seeing things.
However, by the time 2004 rolled around I realized that the right wing in the U.S. had gone so far to the right, along with the overall political spectrum, that I was no longer somewhere in between the two sides and it no longer made sense to seek an intermediate position per se. Since then the right wing has only gotten scarier. What were once wacky fringe ideas are now in their mainstream, along with a pervasive denial of reality, hostility to rationality, and a dangerous xenophobia. Our political discourse, which should be a vigorous but respectful debate that over time keeps both sides relatively honest, is now all too often a right-wing jihad against any and all dissent from a tribal mindset that without any sense of irony claims to be against political correctness.
So here I am, hoping to make a small contribution now and then while I learn from others.
44 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:32:38pm |
Protesters burn gov. buildings
Protesters set fire to offices of the ruling party Saturday in southern and western Syria, burning tires and attacking cars and shops in a religiously mixed city on the Mediterranean coast, according to accounts by government officials, activists and witnesses.Officials said at least two people were killed.
Presidential adviser Bouthaina Shaaban told reporters that demonstrators attacked a police station and offices of the Baath party in the town of Tafas, six miles north of the city of Daraa, epicenter of more than a week of anti-government protests.
In the city of Latakia, dozens of people protested before attacking the Baath offices, said Ammar Qurabi, an exile in Egypt who heads Syria’s National Organization for Human Rights.
A Syrian activist in touch with protesters in Latakia said hundreds had been demonstrating there since Friday, burning tires and shouting “Freedom!” Protesters were attacking cars and shops, the activist said.
I bet Iran is not happy with this.
45 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:33:50pm |
re: #31 austin_blue
First, a reprint from a previous thread of which I am rather proud concerning La Bachmann:
Ahem..
La la la..
Ahem..
She… is the very model of a modern tea bag whacko job
She panders so relentlessly her brain must be a small doorknob
She lies and claims that they are facts, is loved by every racist yob
She is the very model of the modern tea bag whacko job![bows]
[exits, stage left]
Second, good night my friends. Stay scaly.
Oh, by the way, Ice and Jimmah, we will be in London on the 15th and 16th of April. Love to buy you a pint.
Good, but it needs a lot more fleshing out. Still, its a serviceable verse.
Goodnight, all.
46 | NJDhockeyfan Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:35:44pm |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
Good, but it needs a lot more fleshing out. Still, its a serviceable verse.
Goodnight, all.
Me too. It’s way past my bedtime. The weatherman promised me 3-5 inches of snow by tomorrow so I expect to make one last snowman in the morning.
47 | Varek Raith Sat, Mar 26, 2011 11:36:56pm |
Snowing pretty good here.
Later gators.
:)
49 | Tsuga Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:07:11am |
Thanks, albusteve.
I’m turning in now. See you all in the morning.
50 | freetoken Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:13:36am |
More on the numbers:
Woes deepen over radioactive waters at nuke plant, sea contamination
Highly radioactive pools of water found inside buildings near some troubled nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi plant highlighted the deepening seriousness of the nuclear crisis in Japan on Sunday, with the radiation level of the surface of the water in the basement of the No. 2 reactor’s turbine building found to be over 1,000 millisieverts per hour.
Hidehiko Nishiyama, spokesman for the government’s nuclear safety agency, said, ”This is quite a high figure…and it is likely to be coming from the reactor.”
Adding to woes is the increasing level of contamination in the sea near the plant. Radioactive iodine-131 at a concentration 1,850 times the legal limit was detected from water extracted Saturday, compared with the 1,250.8 times the limit found Friday, the agency said.
The pools of water containing radioactive substances have drawn attention after three workers who were engaging in work to restore the No. 3 reactor at its turbine building on Friday were exposed to radiation amounting to 173 to 180 millisieverts. Two of them had their feet in water without noticing then that it was highly contaminated.
According to the latest data released Sunday, from the water at the No. 2 reactor’s turbine building, radioactive iodine-134, a substance which sees its radiation release reduced to about half in some 53 minutes, existed in an extremely high concentration of 2.9 billion becquerels per 1 cubic centimeter.
[…]
2.9 billion events per milliliter. Hmmm…
I-134 is usually produced by the beta decay (emission of an electron, in which a neutron turns into a proton in the nucleus) , which I thought is normally resulted from the decay of Tellurium 134.
51 | freetoken Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:20:20am |
IIRC, there are around 10^24 molecules of water per milliliter. So, 10^9 decays per second ( a “becquerel”) sounds like a lot… and it would be if it continued ad nauseam.
What we’ve not been told are repeated (time series) measurements from these places (inside the turbine buildings), to see exactly what has been changing.
They have been publishing hourly the radiation dose outside the building, at various points on the grounds of the power station.
52 | Irenicum Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:38:37am |
re: #43 Tsuga
Not a bad post for a first post. As far as I’m concerned, pretty much spot on. Welcome newbie! Though I’m glad to be agreeably disagreeable!
53 | boxhead Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:42:41am |
morning all… in a hotel next to California Speedway planning on watching expensive cars only turn left in a race. My first NASCAR race live. I used to watch when A. J. Foyt and Richard Petty used to duel…. darn… gave away my age…:)
so.. wassup reptiles?
54 | boxhead Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:47:17am |
re: #43 Tsuga
and I thought I was long winded.. heh
//
welcome… and just to let you know in case you did not already know… forward slashes, (ie //) denote sarcasm…
55 | boxhead Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:57:01am |
re: #51 freetoken
dang.. having too much fun to read your posts.. but since it also took too long to format a proper reply because of my state, I was able to understand.. so are they giving a half life of this activity? and is gather that it is beta particles that are being ejected…
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56 | boxhead Sun, Mar 27, 2011 12:59:36am |
damn… since LGF Spy tells me that I have the last 8 actions here not counting this one…. I guess that means night for me…
latter
57 | freetoken Sun, Mar 27, 2011 1:00:53am |
re: #55 boxhead
Half lives are well known, of course (many online resources.)
I don’t know why the Kyodo report drew attention to them. Perhaps to give people a sense that this issue will go away quickly?
But it won’t, because there are very many isotopes involved, of many elements. Yeah, some of their half lives may be measure in minutes, but others in hours.
One thing seems to be generally accepted is that the reactor core rods (not those in the spent fuel pools) in units 1,2, and 3 have been damaged to some extent. The containment vessel in unit 2 is probably damaged. And piping to/from the reactors and the turbine rooms are damaged (and leaking the water that is so radioactive.)
It’s a mess.
58 | boxhead Sun, Mar 27, 2011 1:14:10am |
re: #57 freetoken
Its is a mess…. But to question so many alarmists, does this incident negate nuclear power? I say no if done right…
59 | Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sun, Mar 27, 2011 1:22:41am |
re: #58 boxhead
I think nuclear should definitely be in the mix if we are going to wean ourselves off fossil fuels anytime soon. Even if all these reactors full-on meltdown the result will still won’t be as bad as what climate change can do to us. Though maybe such power plants could be built in less geologically active areas.
61 | Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 1:59:38am |
Haley Barbour: The Obama Administration ‘Thinks We’re Too Stupid To Take Care Of Ourselves’
Well, when you look at all the evidence at hand…
62 | Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 2:19:26am |
Air raids force Gadhafi retreat, rebels seize east
AJDABIYA, Libya—Libyan rebels clinched their hold on the east and seized back a key city on Saturday after decisive international airstrikes sent Moammar Gadhafi’s forces into retreat, shedding their uniforms and ammunition as they fled.
Ajdabiya’s initial loss to Gadhafi may have ultimately been what saved the rebels from imminent defeat, propelling the U.S. and its allies to swiftly pull together the air campaign now crippling Gadhafi’s military. Its recapture gives President Barack Obama a tangible victory just as he faces criticism for bringing the United States into yet another war.
In Ajdabiya, drivers honked in celebration and flew the tricolor rebel flag. Others in the city fired guns into the air and danced on burned-out tanks that littered the road.
Their hold on the east secure again, the rebels promised to resume their march westward that had been reversed by Gadhafi’s overwhelming firepower. Rebel fighters already had pushed forward to the outskirts of the oil port of Brega and were hoping to retake the city on Sunday, opposition spokeswoman Iman Bughaigis said, citing rebel military commanders.
“Without the planes we couldn’t have done this. Gadhafi’s weapons are at a different level than ours,” said Ahmed Faraj, 38, a rebel fighter from Ajdabiya. “With the help of the planes we are going to push onward to Tripoli, God willing.”
64 | freetoken Sun, Mar 27, 2011 4:11:03am |
We now know why TEPCO says “more” than 1000 millisieverts/hr, rather than the actual number, for that pool of water in unit 2’s turbine bldg.
The guy who went in to measure didn’t expect such a high reading, so the dosimeter he took with him maxed out (evidently at 1000). He could have kept resetting (per unit time less than an hr), thus doing multiple sampling, but he figured he ought to bail rather than stay long enough to do that.
Smart move on his part, as the Japanese are claiming the LD50 number is a total of 3000 millisieverts in a single dose, which he might have received if he had stayed.
65 | researchok Sun, Mar 27, 2011 4:14:12am |
re: #64 freetoken
You would think by now there would be remote monitoring in place.
Someday soon there will be a book written about all this. Tepco won’t come out looking good.
66 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 4:14:49am |
re: #65 researchok
You would think by now there would be remote monitoring in place.
Someday soon there will be a book written about all this. Tepco won’t come out looking good.
Even before all this TEPCO didn’t look good.
67 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 4:16:51am |
68 | researchok Sun, Mar 27, 2011 4:27:10am |
re: #67 Varek Raith
I wonder how deep the scandals go, the connections between Tepco and various governments, etc.
69 | freetoken Sun, Mar 27, 2011 4:54:48am |
BTW, if any of you want to see the JDF videos of the flybys they are doing (every day I believe), the JDF has a youtube channel. Here is the latest video, from the 27th, posted:
I believe they are using CH-47.
They also have been posting the thermal images on a website. Here is the latest, from the 26th:
[Link: www.mod.go.jp…]
70 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:02:00am |
re: #51 freetoken
IIRC, there are around 10^24 molecules of water per milliliter. So, 10^9 decays per second ( a “becquerel”) sounds like a lot… and it would be if it continued ad nauseam.
What we’ve not been told are repeated (time series) measurements from these places (inside the turbine buildings), to see exactly what has been changing.
They have been publishing hourly the radiation dose outside the building, at various points on the grounds of the power station.
Coming soon to a supermarket near you
71 | Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:06:49am |
72 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:07:00am |
73 | Kragar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:13:26am |
And with that, I’m heading to bed. Stayed up late to get some stuff together for a game tomorrow and finally finished.
74 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:25:14am |
re: #72 sattv4u2
New ,, with Extra Fizz!!
My Everquest character was named Fizzi Isotope.
/cool story bro
75 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:48:35am |
re: #74 negativ
My Everquest character was named Fizzi Isotope.
/cool story bro
I’m sure that means something to someone somewhere!
76 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 5:52:05am |
re: #74 negativ
My Everquest character was named Fizzi Isotope.
/cool story bro
Heh, Everquest.
Haven’t heard that in a while.
:)
77 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:03:47am |
78 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:08:07am |
Morning all! It’s a beautiful day today, Butler’s heading to the Final Four again!
79 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:09:03am |
re: #78 RogueOne
Morning all! It’s a beautiful day today, Butler’s heading to the Final Four again!
I can’t recall a March Madness with so many games that have come down to last possessions
VERY entertaining
80 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:11:26am |
re: #53 boxhead
morning all… in a hotel next to California Speedway planning on watching expensive cars only turn left in a race. My first NASCAR race live. I used to watch when A. J. Foyt and Richard Petty used to duel… darn… gave away my age…:)
so.. wassup reptiles?
Well before my time, I thought Foyt had only done open-wheeled races.
81 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:12:01am |
re: #79 sattv4u2
I can’t recall a March Madness with so many games that have come down to last possessions
VERY entertaining
It has been a very good tourney. I’d love to see VCU knock off Kansas today.
82 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:12:54am |
83 | ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:20:14am |
Catching up on news from overnight. The rebels are back to where they were at their maximum 1-2 weeks ago. Next stop: Sirte. They could go around it, but that could prove tough. The main goal for the rebels is probably relieving Misrata. Does anyone want a page showing the Google Earth of Sirte, and the roads? I have time.
84 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:20:36am |
re: #82 sattv4u2
Same here
He was still racing when my family moved to Indy when I hit high school. The 500 back then was huge and no where near as family-friendly as it is now. The night before the race is still a big party but 20 years ago you would have almost a million people downtown and 3/4’s of them were naked and drunk. Good times, good times.
85 | WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:21:41am |
I have heard tell of an excellent Israeli movie called “lebanon”
86 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:22:21am |
re: #84 RogueOne
He was still racing when my family moved to Indy when I hit high school. The 500 back then was huge and no where near as family-friendly as it is now. The night before the race is still a big party but 20 years ago you would have almost a million people downtown and 3/4’s of them were naked and drunk. Good times, good times.
I went once,,, either ‘80 or 81,, can’t remember
Very good time (hic)
87 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:27:58am |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth
As I said in the last thread, this dude is just begging for it.
I don’t figure on him enjoying the freedoms he takes for granted very much longer.
What a Fucktard….
“A defiant and cocky 29-year-old college dropout, Brown was cavalier about accusations that the group is violating federal laws.”
Enjoy your time in incarceration, as well as your cabal of misfits.
88 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:30:42am |
re: #87 Ericus58
What a Fucktard…
“A defiant and cocky 29-year-old college dropout, Brown was cavalier about accusations that the group is violating federal laws.”Enjoy your time in incarceration, as well as your cabal of misfits.
Disgusting
“When we break laws, we do it in the service of civil disobedience. We do so ethically. We do it against targets that have asked for it.”
Who anointed him judge, jury and executioner?
90 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:39:16am |
re: #86 sattv4u2
That’s the year I moved to Indiana. Back then the festivities lasted the entire month of May and they still had the old snake pit in the in-field. I was there probably a dozen times the night before and even though it was complete madness I never saw anyone get in a fight, no one got robbed. The cops made it a point to make sure people were fairly safe but unless you were doing something over-the-top and dangerous they let people have a good time.
I had a friend who had a house on 16th less than 2 blocks from the track. A guy I didn’t know decided he was walking around completely nude. The cops stopped him and made him wrap a t-shirt around his waist. I remember the cop trying to explain to the drunk bastard he didn’t care if he was naked but he just didn’t want him to be naked “all the time”.
91 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:40:15am |
re: #89 Gus 802
La, de, da.
Furthermore and in conclusion. It is my opinion that.
[Video]
Or
[Link: www.maniacworld.com…]
92 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:41:44am |
re: #88 sattv4u2
Disgusting
“When we break laws, we do it in the service of civil disobedience. We do so ethically. We do it against targets that have asked for it.”Who anointed him judge, jury and executioner?
When Barrett first started posting here, he just didn’t ‘smell’ right to me. I was a bit critical of him in my posts as well as a few others and we got called for it - don’t be so hard on the new guy.
Not to say I told anyone so, but ….
93 | Gus Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:42:25am |
re: #91 sattv4u2
Or
[Link: www.maniacworld.com…]
Funkingroovin. Yeah, I like it better with the female voice in the background. I was sitting here thinking “la, de, da” and suddenly thought about that song.
94 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:42:44am |
re: #90 RogueOne
Exactly
We were there for 3 or 4 days prior to the race
Never once saw a fight or even as much as an argument
Same with The Kentucky Derby. I’ve gone twice to that years ago. A weeks worth of partying and narry a problem
95 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:44:15am |
re: #92 Ericus58
When Barrett first started posting here, he just didn’t ‘smell’ right to me. I was a bit critical of him in my posts as well as a few others and we got called for it - don’t be so hard on the new guy.
Not to say I told anyone so, but …
I got downdinged HARD when I admonished him for pimping his blog once, so after that I just stayed away from it
96 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:48:10am |
re: #92 Ericus58
I didn’t downding anyone but I like him. I think his hearts in the right spot and I like the cavalier attitude but that’s just me. OTOH, he’s asking for serious trouble. The consequences will never be the same.
97 | sattv4u2 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:49:00am |
And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons
98 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:50:15am |
re: #96 RogueOne
I guess I should have made clear that while I like him, he’s young and not at all being very wise. I don’t agree/condone their going after critics.
99 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 6:55:45am |
re: #98 RogueOne
I guess I should have made clear that while I like him, he’s young and not at all being very wise. I don’t agree/condone their going after critics.
Take off that Guy Fawkes mask right now, mister!
100 | Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:00:23am |
re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I find it somewhat ironic that the blog ad is for soap right now.
Not ironic, nor coincidence, I think. An ad robot read the OP.
101 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:01:09am |
The operators of a stricken Japanese nuclear plant have apologised for a “mistake” in reporting a radiation spike 10 million times above normal.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]
Whew! What a relief! Man, I was worries there for a bit…. wait, what was that you also said?
“It had said radiation levels reached 10 million times higher than normal in the cooling system but because the level was so high the worker taking the reading had to evacuate before confirming it with a second reading.
A spokesman for Japan’s nuclear watchdog, Hidehiko Nishiyama, said the level of radiation in puddles near reactor two was confirmed at 1,000 millisieverts an hour.
“It is an extremely high figure,” Mr Nishiyama said.
A cancer risk is evident with an exposure of 100 millisieverts a year.”
……gah!
102 | RogueOne Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:02:16am |
re: #99 Ericus58
Everyone needs a little chaos in their life. Keeps you on your toes!
103 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:05:39am |
Remember all the stories from Egypt about how the military was on the side of the people? About that…
Later, the detainees were taken to a military prison. Ms. Gouda said that the women were strip-searched by a female guard, but — perhaps to add to the humiliation — the search was conducted in a room with doors and windows wide open. She said she did not know if anybody looked in.
Then the unmarried women were subjected to a forced “virginity exam,” conducted on a bed in a prison hallway, by a man. When the women pleaded to be examined by a woman instead, they were threatened with cattle prods, Ms. Gouda said.
“I was shattered,” she recalled. “My whole body was shaking.” Her legs were covered with a blanket, but a half-dozen military men stood behind her as she was examined, Ms. Gouda said.
“I was ready to be beaten,” she added. “But the worst moment was when I was stripped and examined.”
Heba Morayef of Human Rights Watch said that such exams were not customary in prisons and that the point was to humiliate female activists. “In this context, they’re sexual assaults,” she noted — but added that the military is above the law.
104 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:06:38am |
105 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:27:34am |
106 | lazardo Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:27:59am |
re: #99 Ericus58
As a self-described Anonymous I would like to say that Mr. Brown’s behavior is not representative of the hundreds of thousands of people that visit let alone post at imageboards such as 4chan every day.
Also, he gon git v& so hard.
/note: v& = partyvan = here comes the fbi.
107 | darthstar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:31:43am |
re: #87 Ericus58
What a Fucktard…
“A defiant and cocky 29-year-old college dropout, Brown was cavalier about accusations that the group is violating federal laws.”Enjoy your time in incarceration, as well as your cabal of misfits.
Don’t incarcerate the messenger!
In the interview, Brown, a sometimes freelance journalist, said he is not personally involved in hacking computers, stressing that he only advises the group, participates in its internal strategy sessions and serves as its spokesman.
Shorter Brown: “We break laws and we don’t care! (I, personally, break no laws and cannot be prosecuted) WE ARE NOT AFRAID!!!”
108 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:33:29am |
re: #74 negativ
My Everquest character was named Fizzi Isotope.
/cool story bro
*points at username*
That was my Everquest character. I liked playing her.
/csb
109 | lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:37:29am |
re: #11 freetoken
Good grief.
I don’t know if Kyodo got it right at 10 million times… or what fraction of that is from I134, but Iodine 134 has a very short half life - 4 minutes or 52 minutes (depending on state). Yet the reactor was supposedly shut down (rods inserted) immediately when the quake struck 15 days ago.
Something is wrong.
It turns out it was an outright mistake. Bad reading.
Reactors that have been “shut down” are still chock full of radioactive elements. The cores here have partially melted, which means that reality inside the core is a far cry from what is expected to happen when damping rods are inserted. Distances between batches of uranium, (or plutonium) atoms are not what they ought to be. Distribution of cadmium is not what it ought to be.
So there’s a partially damped chain reaction going on in there, with new iodine being produced as we go, along with many other radioactive isotopes. At any time, there can be new melting, which redistributes the mass whose geometry and composition determines the pace of the chain reaction.
From what I’ve read, even in the worst case we don’t get another Chernobyl. But this event is proving to be a major gut check for society. Can we suck it up, keeping in mind that even in this worst case, the fatalities attributable to radiation will not hold a candle to the direct cost in lives to mine the coal that would take the place of nuclear energy? Can we keep in mind that if we fail to “go green”, sea levels will amount to a permanent tsunami, hitting every coast line every day, effectively forever?
Our default hard-wiring is a mix of flinching from the immediate threats, combined with Micawber-like hope that far-off dangers will not materialize. That, unfortunately, is just what got some of the victims of the literal tsunami killed. When the earthquake had passed and the wave did not instantly roll in, there were some who discounted the warnings.
With AGW, we have years of leeway. Decades, perhaps. But there’s a big wave coming and it takes years, or decades, to “move to high ground”. It’s a pity that the path is rocky and we have bare feet, but we simply must move.
110 | darthstar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:39:16am |
re: #106 lazardo
As a self-described Anonymous I would like to say that Mr. Brown’s behavior is not representative of the hundreds of thousands of people that visit let alone post at imageboards such as 4chan every day.
Also, he gon git v& so hard.
/note: v& = partyvan = here comes the fbi.
For people like Brown, I sometimes wish the FBI would make their arrest a more entertaining (for people following) and frightening (for the perps) experience. Cut off their internet accounts, block their cell phones, freeze their credit and ATM cards, kill the power on their houses, shut off their water mains, and intimidate their friends into shunning them for a few days before the actual arrest. Let them feel like they have no place to run, then chase them there. Because once they get on CNN with an exclusive interview with Wolf Blitzer, there will be no shortage of lawyers looking to boost their own careers defending the fuckers. Let them regret their actions first.
111 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:42:46am |
re: #110 darthstar
For people like Brown, I sometimes wish the FBI would make their arrest a more entertaining (for people following) and frightening (for the perps) experience. Cut off their internet accounts, block their cell phones, freeze their credit and ATM cards, kill the power on their houses, shut off their water mains, and intimidate their friends into shunning them for a few days before the actual arrest. Let them feel like they have no place to run, then chase them there. Because once they get on CNN with an exclusive interview with Wolf Blitzer, there will be no shortage of lawyers looking to boost their own careers defending the fuckers. Let them regret their actions first.
I like yer way of thinkin’, Mister.
112 | darthstar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:48:23am |
113 | darthstar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:50:25am |
re: #111 Ericus58
I like yer way of thinkin’, Mister.
Seriously…remember the look on O’Keefe’s face after a few hours in jail for his bullshit in Landrieu’s office? The kid looked like he spent the entire time shitting himself. I loved that look. It told me there was a chance he would learn from his bullshit. Once the lawyers got hold of him, and Breitbart embraced him, all lessons learned were lost.
114 | lazardo Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:51:13am |
re: #110 darthstar
For people like Brown, I sometimes wish the FBI would make their arrest a more entertaining (for people following) and frightening (for the perps) experience. Cut off their internet accounts, block their cell phones, freeze their credit and ATM cards, kill the power on their houses, shut off their water mains, and intimidate their friends into shunning them for a few days before the actual arrest. Let them feel like they have no place to run, then chase them there. Because once they get on CNN with an exclusive interview with Wolf Blitzer, there will be no shortage of lawyers looking to boost their own careers defending the fuckers. Let them regret their actions first.
Read that in Michael Westin’s voice. :D
115 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:51:54am |
Did you know…
…..that bookmaker Ladbrokes paid out on bets that former UK Chancellor, Kenneth Clarke, would fall asleep during the 2011 budget speech?
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
I wonder if some of the betters were in attendance? heh.
116 | NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:54:10am |
Yemeni Militants Seize Control of Weapons Factory
SANAA, Yemen — Islamic militants seized control of a weapons factory, a strategic mountain and a nearby town in the southern Yemen province of Abyan Sunday, said a witness and security officials, as a political stalemate in the capital causes security to unravel around the country.
…In the areas they took over, the militants set up checkpoints around the small factory and in the town of al-Husn, patrolling the streets and searching cars, said resident Wahib Abdul-Qader.
They also seized control of a nearby Khanfar mountain that holds a radio station and a presidential guest house, said Ali Dahmash, an expert on Islamic militant groups who lives nearby.
117 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:55:00am |
Mr. Brown?
Does the meaning of “anonymous” escape you or are you just that dumb?
118 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:55:27am |
re: #114 lazardo
Read that in Michael Westin’s voice. :D
Heh. I hadn’t even thought of that, but you’re right. I could hear it in Westin’s voice.
119 | lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:56:35am |
re: #110 darthstar
For people like Brown, I sometimes wish the FBI would make their arrest a more entertaining (for people following) and frightening (for the perps) experience. Cut off their internet accounts, block their cell phones, freeze their credit and ATM cards, kill the power on their houses, shut off their water mains, and intimidate their friends into shunning them for a few days before the actual arrest. Let them feel like they have no place to run, then chase them there. Because once they get on CNN with an exclusive interview with Wolf Blitzer, there will be no shortage of lawyers looking to boost their own careers defending the fuckers. Let them regret their actions first.
And while we’re at it, kill their pets? This sort of thing is unseemly. Everything the law does should be the soul of courtesy, correctness, and [umm, yeah, here comes the mailed fist in the velvet glove] inexorable.
If we cannot win convictions because our laws and interpretations make acquittal a sure thing no matter how strong the evidence, those laws and interpretations need to be changed.
120 | darthstar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 7:57:43am |
re: #117 Varek Raith
Mr. Brown?
Does the meaning of “anonymous” escape you or are you just that dumb?
Well, if he is their spokesperson, then yes, he’s just that dumb. If he isn’t their spokesperson and he profits handsomely by pretending to be, he’s probably not all that dumb. Unless, of course, Anonymous doesn’t like assholes trying to profit from their activism, in which case he’s even dumber because should they turn their efforts on him - even for just a few days - he’d be left digging himself out of the shit for years.
121 | darthstar Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:02:20am |
re: #119 lostlakehiker
And while we’re at it, kill their pets? This sort of thing is unseemly. Everything the law does should be the soul of courtesy, correctness, and [umm, yeah, here comes the mailed fist in the velvet glove] inexorable.
If we cannot win convictions because our laws and interpretations make acquittal a sure thing no matter how strong the evidence, those laws and interpretations need to be changed.
Thanks for pissing in my porridge. It was simply a little fantasy - they’re attacking a mythical beast of their own making for just those reasons I outlined…none of that could ever really happen in an actual country on this planet…silly…especially some place like the USA…you don’t see us just arresting people and freezing their assets and holding them without charge for years at a time. Do you? Bueller?
122 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:14:05am |
Who Knew the BBC was going all ESPN on us?!
Formula 1 2011 : BBC HD Preview Clip
HD BABY!!
123 | lazardo Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:17:36am |
re: #122 Ericus58
Well, they have to keep the public entertained during Top Gear’s off-season.
124 | lazardo Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:19:19am |
re: #123 lazardo
Not to imply that Top Gear is a bad show in any way, mind. :3
/though Season 16 was a bit lackluster…
125 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:22:01am |
Gates: Gadhafi placing bodies at sites of coalition attacks
Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi is placing bodies of people his regime has killed at the sites of some missile strikes by the U.S.-led coalition, according to intelligence reports cited by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates.
….
“The truth of the matter is we have trouble coming up with proof of any civilian casualties that we have been responsible for,” Gates said in the interview conducted Saturday. “But we do have a lot of intelligence reporting about Gadhafi taking the bodies of the people he’s killed and putting them at the sites where we’ve attacked.”
126 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:23:03am |
127 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:25:08am |
128 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:27:06am |
2 killed in Israeli airstrike as nation deploys new defense system
Israeli Air Force jets “identified a group of rocket launchers preparing to fire a rocket at the Israeli home front from the northern Gaza Strip, and thwarted the attempt by firing at them. A hit was confirmed,” a spokesman said in a statement.
…
“Hamas has lost control of other organizations within the Gaza Strip,” Maj. Gen. Tal Russo, commander of the Israeli Southern Command, said in a visit to the damaged house. “There is anarchy among them and within Hamas itself. There’s no authority over any facet and it’s difficult for Hamas to regain control.”
….
Since last Saturday, about 90 rockets have been fired into southern Israel and 12 Palestinians have been killed in retaliatory strikes, both airstrikes and artillery. Four of them were civilians, including an 11-year-old and a 16-year-old. The rest were militants.
What other country in the world would tolerate this from a neighbor they could easily crush? It’s pretty amazing.
129 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:27:39am |
re: #127 Alouette
He got the idea from Green Helmet Guy in Lebanon.
Figures… there’s really nothing new in warfare… like General McArthur said to me once… “been there, done that.”
130 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:32:17am |
re: #99 Ericus58
Take off that Guy Fawkes mask right now, mister!
The fun part is that the real Guy Fawkes was a devout Catholic. Barrett Brown his crew would found nothing to like about him.
131 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:32:53am |
What should I do today?
1. Vacuum the upstairs bedrooms for Passover.
2. Go shopping.
3. Hang out here at LGF.
132 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:35:55am |
re: #125 Killgore Trout
Well, this will help keep up Western public opinion, but I wonder if the Arab media reports this story.
133 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:37:33am |
re: #131 Alouette
What should I do today?
1. Vacuum the upstairs bedrooms for Passover.
2. Go shopping.
3. Hang out here at LGF.
2 and 3 sound good. :)
134 | lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:37:34am |
re: #121 darthstar
Thanks for pissing in my porridge. It was simply a little fantasy - they’re attacking a mythical beast of their own making for just those reasons I outlined…none of that could ever really happen in an actual country on this planet…silly…especially some place like the USA…you don’t see us just arresting people and freezing their assets and holding them without charge for years at a time. Do you? Bueller?
Fantasies have a way of coming true. In France, a mucker who attacked a city council, killing several, was arrested. He fell to his death while being transported from one facility to another. The official version was that he broke free from several guards, climbed to the ledge of a window several feet up, broke out the glass and leaped.
The French don’t have a death penalty, except when they do.
In Wisconsin, Jeffrey Dahmer got in a fight with another convict, an extremely muscular, insanely belligerent brute. They guy killed him. The two had been detailed to work together, unsupervised, in a smelly closed space, well out of earshot of guards. Wisconsin doesn’t have a death penalty, except when it does.
Prisoners get beaten by guards. They get raped by other prisoners. Not all of this is accident—-some of it happens with a wink and a nod. I’m a prude about this, I guess. Winking and nodding is where it all begins, and to me it’s not all that funny.
135 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:40:50am |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
The fun part is that the real Guy Fawkes was a devout Catholic. Barrett Brown his crew would found nothing to like about him.
Yeah, he wanted to install a Catholic Monarch. I also never understood why the Brits celebrate Guy Fawkes Night (aka Bon Fire night) as a national holiday.
136 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:42:11am |
re: #132 Dark_Falcon
Well, this will help keep up Western public opinion, but I wonder if the Arab media reports this story.
Probably. At least Al Jaz will report it. Q’Daffy doesn’t have many friends left. His strongest supporters left might be the American Wingnuts.
137 | lazardo Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:42:49am |
re: #136 Killgore Trout
Probably. At least Al Jaz will report it. Q’Daffy doesn’t have many friends left. His strongest supporters left might be the American Wingnuts.
And Michael Moore.
138 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:43:52am |
re: #134 lostlakehiker
Fantasies have a way of coming true. In France, a mucker who attacked a city council, killing several, was arrested. He fell to his death while being transported from one facility to another. The official version was that he broke free from several guards, climbed to the ledge of a window several feet up, broke out the glass and leaped.
The French don’t have a death penalty, except when they do.
In Wisconsin, Jeffrey Dahmer got in a fight with another convict, an extremely muscular, insanely belligerent brute. They guy killed him. The two had been detailed to work together, unsupervised, in a smelly closed space, well out of earshot of guards. Wisconsin doesn’t have a death penalty, except when it does.
Prisoners get beaten by guards. They get raped by other prisoners. Not all of this is accident—-some of it happens with a wink and a nod. I’m a prude about this, I guess. Winking and nodding is where it all begins, and to me it’s not all that funny.
It ugly but in those two cases it was probably inevitable. Dahmer was so hated that someone killing him was almost certainly only a matter of time. And no guard really would have put himself at risk to save him, their hatred of him was too great. And he had earned that hate. I wish it had been an legally-sanctioned execution, but I still feel that killing Dahmer was a righteous act.
139 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:44:02am |
140 | McSpiff Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:46:32am |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he wanted to install a Catholic Monarch. I also never understood why the Brits celebrate Guy Fawkes Night (aka Bon Fire night) as a national holiday.
They celebrate his failure, not him. That’s why they light him on fire, etc.
141 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:50:25am |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he wanted to install a Catholic Monarch. I also never understood why the Brits celebrate Guy Fawkes Night (aka Bon Fire night) as a national holiday.
It wasa celebration of England being saved from treason and foreign invasion, with a strong anti-Catholic edge, too. In some parts of England the dummies blown up were effigies of the Pope, not Fawkes. This continued up until WWI in some places. Here in the US, that anti-papalism was retained until the Revolutionary War, with Guy Fawkes day known as “Pope’s Day” in New England. The 5th of November was a day for anti-Catholicism until George Washington convinced people to put a stop to such religious bigotry in the name of needed unity.
142 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:50:32am |
re: #140 McSpiff
They celebrate his failure, not him. That’s why they light him on fire, etc.
ah, that makes sense.
143 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:50:45am |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he wanted to install a Catholic Monarch. I also never understood why the Brits celebrate Guy Fawkes Night (aka Bon Fire night) as a national holiday.
Because it didn’t start out as a celebration of Guy Fawkes:
The history of the commemoration is traced to the events of 5 November 1605, when Guy Fawkes, a member of the Gunpowder Plot, was caught guarding a hoard of explosives placed beneath the House of Lords and arrested. Celebrating the fact that King James I had survived the assassination attempt, bonfires were lit around London and months later the government introduced the Observance of 5th November Act, which enforced an annual public day of thanksgiving for the plot’s failure.
Within a few decades Gunpowder Treason Day became the predominant English state commemoration, but as it carried strong religious overtones it also became a focus for anti-Catholic sentiment. Puritans used the event to preach against the perceived dangers of popery, while during increasingly raucous celebrations common folk burnt effigies of Catholic hate-figures, such as the pope. Toward the end of the 18th century reports appear of children begging for money with effigies of Guy Fawkes and 5 November gradually became known as Guy Fawkes Day. Towns such as Lewes and Guildford were in the 19th century the scenes of increasingly violent class-based confrontations, fostering traditions those towns celebrate still, albeit peaceably. In the 1850s changing attitudes eventually resulted in the toning down of much of the day’s anti-Catholic rhetoric. The original 1606 legislation was repealed in 1859 and the day’s accompanying violence dealt with, and by the 20th century Guy Fawkes Day, or Fireworks Day as it was occasionally known, had become an enjoyable social commemoration—although missing some of its original meaning.
144 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:51:25am |
CU’s bad boys have a Broadway hit of Biblical proportions…
There are raves … and there are the rarefied words that are being bandied about to praise the new Broadway musical “The Book of Mormon,” written by University of Colorado graduates Matt Stone and Trey Parker.
[Link: www.denverpost.com…]
145 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:55:10am |
re: #140 McSpiff
They celebrate his failure, not him. That’s why they light him on fire, etc.
Ah, ok. That makes sense.
146 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:55:11am |
re: #144 Walter L. Newton
CU’s bad boys have a Broadway hit of Biblical proportions…
[Link: www.denverpost.com…]
Parker and Stone strike again! Not surprising that Colorado loves them. Not only did they graduate from UCol. but they also used the state for their fictionalized town of South Park.
147 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:56:30am |
re: #143 Lidane
“Gunpowder Treason Day” isn’t a very catchy name.
148 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:59:10am |
Watched the movie “Arn – The Knight Templar” last night on Netflix.
Enjoyed it.
Recommend it.
The guy who played Saladin was Milind Soman.
Striking.
149 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 8:59:11am |
re: #146 Dark_Falcon
Parker and Stone strike again! Not surprising that Colorado loves them. Not only did they graduate from UCol. but they also used the state for their fictionalized town of South Park.
The fictionalize town of South Park is based on their hometown… Conifer… where I live… there is a South Park in Colorado, about 50 mile west of Conifer, but it is not a town, it is a high mountain meadow…
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
They used Conifer as their model, the high mountain meadow for the name, and it was all fame from that point on.
150 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:00:08am |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
“Gunpowder Treason Day” isn’t a very catchy name.
Heh, true. But calling it “Assassination Failure Day” doesn’t work either. ;)
151 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:01:28am |
re: #150 Lidane
Heh, true. But calling it “Assassination Failure Day” doesn’t work either. ;)
“LET’S LIGHT STUFF ON FIRE DAY”
Solved.
152 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:02:10am |
re: #151 Varek Raith
“LET’S LIGHT STUFF ON FIRE DAY”
Solved.
Isn’t that pretty much every holiday, though?
153 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:02:49am |
re: #152 Lidane
Isn’t that pretty much every holiday, though?
Are you going to take away our fire?!?!
155 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:05:29am |
re: #153 Varek Raith
Are you going to take away our fire?!?!
Pfft. Hardly. I like setting things on fire. :D
156 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:06:45am |
re: #149 Walter L. Newton
The fictionalize town of South Park is based on their hometown… Conifer… where I live… there is a South Park in Colorado, about 50 mile west of Conifer, but it is not a town, it is a high mountain meadow…
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
They used Conifer as their model, the high mountain meadow for the name, and it was all fame from that point on.
Ah, so that meadow has uranium. [looks over at Walter] That explains quite a bit.
/kidding
157 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:06:49am |
re: #155 Lidane
Pfft. Hardly. I like setting things on fire. :D
Ok.
Cause, you know, we need the torches.
For storming castles.
158 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:07:36am |
re: #156 Dark_Falcon
Ah, so that meadow has uranium. [looks over at Walter] That explains quite a bit.
/kidding
I got dibs!
159 | HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:07:43am |
re: #157 Varek Raith
Ok.
Cause, you know, we need the torches.
For storming castles.
Or when the Lakers win a Championship…
160 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:09:57am |
re: #44 NJDhockeyfan
Protesters burn gov. buildings
I bet Iran is not happy with this.
Aaah, when is Iran ever happy?
//
161 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:12:12am |
Rep. Bachmann (R-Minn) proposes tax code to promote ‘family formation’ (Video)
Beginning at the (4:15) mark in the video to the left Bachmann proposes implementing a tax system that would encourage “family formation.” The context of Bachmann’s remarks make it clear that she would like to either give tax credits, or lower tax rates to people who are married as opposed to those who are single. Given Bachmann’s past statement on gay rights, the lower tax rates and/or tax credits would also only apply to heterosexual couples. If implemented, single mothers would likely be taxed at a higher rate than mothers who are married.
162 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:15:00am |
re: #159 HoosierHoops
Or when the Lakers win a Championship…
That isn’t nice, you…you…Pacers Fan! ;)
163 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:15:06am |
re: #158 Varek Raith
I got dibs!
Here is a nice view of Fairplay COlorado and SOuth Park meadow behind it looking west. Fairplay is at the east most end of the meadow, right down from Kenosha Pass just east of town.
164 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:15:30am |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Rep. Bachmann (R-Minn) proposes tax code to promote ‘family formation’ (Video)
What a moronic position to take.
Where is my Eisenhower?
165 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:15:55am |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Rep. Bachmann (R-Minn) proposes tax code to promote ‘family formation’ (Video)
Nothing like making a travesty of what is claimed to be an important religious sacrament by basing a tax break on it.
Law of Unintended Consequences would be all over this if it was passed.
166 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:16:34am |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Rep. Bachmann (R-Minn) proposes tax code to promote ‘family formation’ (Video)
Michelle Bachmann’s a tax lawyer. Why is she proposing something that she knows the courts are likely to strike down? It makes no sense.
167 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:16:52am |
Heh. I’ll give Aflac credit — this is a funny way to say that they fired their voice actor and are looking for a new one:
168 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:18:51am |
re: #163 Walter L. Newton
Here is a nice view of Fairplay COlorado and SOuth Park meadow behind it looking west. Fairplay is at the east most end of the meadow, right down from Kenosha Pass just east of town.
Nice!
169 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:19:04am |
re: #167 Lidane
Heh. I’ll give Aflac credit — this is a funny way to say that they fired their voice actor and are looking for a new one:
[Video]
They had already run this ad before. They just brought it back with a new final panel. I do agree its a clever way to keep the duck in public view and hopefully find a replacement voice.
170 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:19:45am |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
If implemented, single mothers would likely be taxed at a higher rate than mothers who are married.
Gotta love that compassionate conservatism. =P
171 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:21:14am |
re: #135 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he wanted to install a Catholic Monarch. I also never understood why the Brits celebrate Guy Fawkes Night (aka Bon Fire night) as a national holiday.
Because they’re burning Fawkes in effigy.
172 | lazardo Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:21:35am |
re: #164 Ericus58
What a moronic position to take.
Where is my Eisenhower?
Eisenhower was really a commie. Where have you been?
/
173 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:22:46am |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Rep. Bachmann (R-Minn) proposes tax code to promote ‘family formation’ (Video)
No, that’s not social engineering AT ALL.
174 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:23:38am |
re: #166 Dark_Falcon
Michelle Bachmann’s a tax lawyer. Why is she proposing something that she knows the courts are likely to strike down? It makes no sense.
Because she’s not interested in actually changing the tax laws, she’s interested in getting even more bona fides among potential voters as the really, truly, socially conservative candidate.
176 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:24:21am |
re: #165 oaktree
Nothing like making a travesty of what is claimed to be an important religious sacrament by basing a tax break on it.
Law of Unintended Consequences would be all over this if it was passed.
Aren’t there already significant tax breaks if you’re married? Genuine question, since I’m not married, so I have no idea.
In any case, Bachmann is a crazy person. This is just more proof.
177 | lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:25:01am |
re: #138 Dark_Falcon
It ugly but in those two cases it was probably inevitable. Dahmer was so hated that someone killing him was almost certainly only a matter of time. And no guard really would have put himself at risk to save him, their hatred of him was too great. And he had earned that hate. I wish it had been an legally-sanctioned execution, but I still feel that killing Dahmer was a righteous act.
The proper way to do it is with a firing squad, a rope, or a lethal injection, after putting it to a jury. It’s not fair to the guards to leave it to them to figure a way.
The death penalty leaves even its proponents sobered and thoughtful. And that’s with all the i’s dotted and the t’s crossed.
178 | Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:25:09am |
re: #174 SanFranciscoZionist
Because she’s not interested in actually changing the tax laws, she’s interested in getting even more bona fides among potential voters as the really, truly, socially conservative candidate.
And after it gets struck down she can claim that she would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for those meddling activist judges!
179 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:28:33am |
re: #166 Dark_Falcon
Michelle Bachmann’s a tax lawyer. Why is she proposing something that she knows the courts are likely to strike down? It makes no sense.
Today’s conservatives are living in a fantasy land. They are out of ideas and have fallen back on dogma and an agenda that the courts would never allow. I have to think that in the deepest darkest corner of some Republican think tanks somebody is quietly working on laying the groundwork for a reality based, workable version of conservatism which has no resemblance to what we see today.
180 | jaunte Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:28:47am |
re: #176 Lidane
Aren’t there already significant tax breaks if you’re married?
Here are some:
* Workplace health and pension benefits coverage. Though some companies offer health coverage to domestic partners, this benefit is typically taxable as income. When spouses are covered, the benefit is tax-free.* Social Security retirement and survivor benefits. A husband or wife is entitled to one-half of the spouse’s Social Security benefits and to additional benefits in the event of death.
* Lower insurance rates. Married people usually get a discount on auto insurance and may pay less for other types of insurance.
* Automatic inheritance rights. Die without a will, and your spouse gets your stuff. In many states, the surviving spouse has a legal right to at least one-third to one-half of your estate.
* Preferential estate-tax treatment. The richer you are, the better the deal this is. Essentially, estates worth more than a certain amount — it’s $3.5 million in 2009 — are subject to estate taxes. But this exemption amount doesn’t apply to married people: You can leave an unlimited amount to a spouse without generating a penny of estate tax. In certain states, this benefit is multiplied by special capital-gains-tax treatment for homes and other assets held by married couples as community property.
[Link: articles.moneycentral.msn.com…]
181 | ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:28:57am |
Here is more news from Libya: The Rebels will soon have a steady income. Thank You Qatar.
5:15pm
Libyan rebels have said they plan to start exporting oil from fields in their territory “in less than a week”, and said the Gulf nation of Qatar will market the crude.A rebel representative, Ali Tarhoni, said he signed a contract with Qatar recently and the deal will ensure “access to liquidity in terms of foreign denominated currency”.
We are producing about 100,000 to 130,000 barrels a day, we can easily up that to about 300,000 a day.
We contacted the oil company of Qatar and they agreed to take all the oil we export and market that oil for us. We have an escrow account … and the money will be deposited in this account, and this way there is no middle man and we know where the money is going.
182 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:29:17am |
re: #177 lostlakehiker
The death penalty leaves even its proponents sobered and thoughtful. And that’s with all the i’s dotted and the t’s crossed.
But there are plenty of cases where the i’s weren’t dotted and the t’s were left uncrossed, but people still felt the death penalty was justified.
There have been cases here in Texas of people placed on death row even after being represented by lawyers that were drunk or sleeping during their trials, but because the laws here only allow appeals if something was procedurally wrong with the trial, a lot of questionable cases end up on death row. Appeals are next to impossible, even if there are serious questions about a trial or its outcome.
183 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:31:09am |
I’m starting to think the frogs didn’t make it through the winter. I haven’t heard them since a warm spell in December. I should be hearing them by now but we’ve been about 10-15 degrees below normal temps so they might still be dormant. I’m starting to fear the worst.
184 | Ericus58 Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:34:30am |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
Today’s conservatives are living in a fantasy land. They are out of ideas and have fallen back on dogma and an agenda that the courts would never allow. I have to think that in the deepest darkest corner of some Republican think tanks somebody is quietly working on laying the groundwork for a reality based, workable version of conservatism which has no resemblance to what we see today.
A man appears intently and feverishly working on a control panel… from which cables snake across a lab floor to a table iin the middle of the chamber… upon which a shrouded body lays.
“This MUST work - or else we are doomed to years of political Purgatory!” the hunched figure says to himself.
“Please come back, Eisenhower!!”
186 | HoosierHoops Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:36:23am |
re: #183 Killgore Trout
I’m starting to think the frogs didn’t make it through the winter. I haven’t heard them since a warm spell in December. I should be hearing them by now but we’ve been about 10-15 degrees below normal temps so they might still be dormant. I’m starting to fear the worst.
This will make those frogs wake up..
187 | blueraven Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:42:01am |
re: #183 Killgore Trout
I’m starting to think the frogs didn’t make it through the winter. I haven’t heard them since a warm spell in December. I should be hearing them by now but we’ve been about 10-15 degrees below normal temps so they might still be dormant. I’m starting to fear the worst.
I haven’t heard my frogs yet and its been in the high 80s here. I wouldn’t be worried quite yet.
188 | ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:43:10am |
Also, I found a Tweet saying that the rebels met resistance 20km outside Sirte. 50 Qaddafi Goon. The area is open farmland, and has little cover.
189 | Tsuga Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:43:48am |
re: #176 Lidane
Aren’t there already significant tax breaks if you’re married?
My wife does not work at present. When we married my income taxes went down, which financed the cost of adding her to my health insurance and then some. Nice deal!
190 | Lidane Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:44:33am |
re: #179 Killgore Trout
Today’s conservatives are living in a fantasy land. They are out of ideas and have fallen back on dogma and an agenda that the courts would never allow.
Sure, but that fantasy land appeals to the teabaggers and the party base. They want St. Ronald of Reagan, their mythical version of the real man, and no one in the party comes close to him. It’s not about realistic policy or realistic ideas anymore. It’s about appealing to a time that never existed and to a POTUS that’s been idealized beyond recognition.
I have to think that in the deepest darkest corner of some Republican think tanks somebody is quietly working on laying the groundwork for a reality based, workable version of conservatism which has no resemblance to what we see today.
The problem is, in order to implement that workable version of conservatism, you first have to clean out the mess that modern conservatism has become. As long as the current party structure is in place, with the same bad ideas and the same howler monkeys pushing those ideas, nothing is going to change.
The GOP basically has to have their own Mondale moment to kick them in the ass to make a change.
191 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:47:46am |
re: #189 Tsuga
My wife does not work at present. When we married my income taxes went down, which financed the cost of adding her to my health insurance and then some. Nice deal!
Welcome to LGF!
192 | ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:49:18am |
Here is what BBC is saying.
Just breaking on BBC - “The rebels told AFP that they would halt their advance overnight at Nufilia because they had heard Col Gaddafi’s troops were deployed about 50km (30 miles) down the road towards Sirte. They would wait for coalition air strikes to destroy any heavy weapons, they added.”
Looking at Google Earth, the town is about 1 kilometer long, and about .7 kilometers wide.
193 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:54:15am |
re: #187 blueraven
I haven’t heard my frogs yet and its been in the high 80s here. I wouldn’t be worried quite yet.
Maybe I’m just worrying too much.
194 | ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:54:21am |
re: #192 ProLifeLiberal
It’s also off the main road, about a 6 mile drive to the town.
I prefer using metric by the way (Yes, an American who prefers Metric). I probably should use Imperial considering more people are familiar with it.
195 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 9:56:03am |
re: #194 ProLifeLiberal
It’s also off the main road, about a 6 mile drive to the town.
I prefer using metric by the way (Yes, an American who prefers Metric). I probably should use Imperial considering more people are familiar with it.
Metric is the measuring system of Hell.
196 | lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:00:29am |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Rep. Bachmann (R-Minn) proposes tax code to promote ‘family formation’ (Video)
The tax code today is heavily stacked against marriage among the working poor. A single mother is eligible for all sorts of government help that would not be available to her if she were to marry her low-wage partner.
The marginal tax rate, counting both taxes, and revocation of benefits, can in extreme cases exceed 100%. Correcting these incentives to remain single would be friendly to the formation of families. Today’s system tends to lock the poor into arrangements that keep them on the edge, unable to build property value and build a family in which the parents are committed to each other and the children, thick or thin, start to finish.
We should strengthen the social safety net and extend benefits that are now available to unmarried couples, to married couples with the same personal incomes and same net responsibilities.
197 | reine.de.tout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:00:31am |
re: #183 Killgore Trout
I’m starting to think the frogs didn’t make it through the winter. I haven’t heard them since a warm spell in December. I should be hearing them by now but we’ve been about 10-15 degrees below normal temps so they might still be dormant. I’m starting to fear the worst.
They’re OK, I bet.
Wait ‘til the weather moderates a bit more before you worry.
They’re tough critters
198 | ProBosniaLiberal Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:03:07am |
re: #195 Varek Raith
I like my measuring system of hell.
199 | lostlakehiker Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:07:27am |
re: #180 jaunte
Here are some:
(the post referenced has details of the many ways the tax code is friendly to [upper half] families)
These are aimed at the middle and upper classes. Down the scale a ways, things work the other way around. If Jane and John, each with children to take care of, each eligible for the whole basket of earned income tax credit, free day care, free school lunches, etc. etc., marry, that can all be revoked. Their joint income can put them over the line for eligibility.
Any economies they may realize in their actual outlays for food, clothing, shelter, etc. can be overshadowed by this withdrawal of support. From the point of view of the wider society, this is nuts. Aren’t we collectively better off if they can live cheaper and more stably while we provide no greater subsidy than before? Maybe even modestly less?
200 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:09:25am |
201 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:13:05am |
I finished vacuuming out the bedroom. Just realized how different my lifestyle is from other people. I only have plastic storage bins for my folding clothes, and the entire wall of the master bedroom is full of ….bookshelves. No dresser, no vanity, no full-length mirror, just a small make-up mirror in the bathroom.
My daughter called last night and asked if she could come for Pesach with her family. Yayy, my guilting has worked!
202 | blueraven Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:14:53am |
re: #193 Killgore Trout
Maybe I’m just worrying too much.
Honestly, I am enjoying the quiet nights at the moment. Once they get started it gets LOUD. Sometimes to the point that it is hard to sleep through the noise. Mr blueraven threatens them every year. He is kidding (mostly).
I expect to see/hear them next month as the water lillies begin to bloom.
203 | Varek Raith Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:16:02am |
re: #202 blueraven
Honestly, I am enjoying the quiet nights at the moment. Once they get started it gets LOUD. Sometimes to the point that it is hard to sleep through the noise. Mr blueraven threatens them every year. He is kidding (mostly).
I expect to see/hear them next month as the water lillies begin to bloom.
That’s why I have a boxfan running at night. Drowns out the annoying critters.
204 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:18:25am |
re: #201 Alouette
I finished vacuuming out the bedroom. Just realized how different my lifestyle is from other people. I only have plastic storage bins for my folding clothes, and the entire wall of the master bedroom is full of …bookshelves. No dresser, no vanity, no full-length mirror, just a small make-up mirror in the bathroom.
My daughter called last night and asked if she could come for Pesach with her family. Yayy, my guilting has worked!
Did you ever doubt your guilting?
205 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:19:01am |
re: #202 blueraven
Bullfrogs make one hell of a racket but our pacific tree frogs aren’t too bad. Since I have the only breeding pond in the area I figure I can control the population size if noise becomes an issue.
206 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:21:12am |
re: #204 Walter L. Newton
Did you ever doubt your guilting?
A woman with that many children has finally tuned her guilting over the years.
207 | Kronocide Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:22:50am |
re: #205 Killgore Trout
Bullfrogs make one hell of a racket but our pacific tree frogs aren’t too bad. Since I have the only breeding pond in the area I figure I can control the population size if noise becomes an issue.
Hopefully it will never reach the level of coqui frog here in Hawaii. You need double pained windows to sleep at night.
208 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:26:01am |
Here’s what makes living in the Rocky Mountains so interesting (a series of posts from a local forum)…
COUGAR SPOTTED AND KILLED MINI HORSE OFF OF SUNSET IN PINE Please be alert and watchful over your dogs and horses especially the mini’s. A mini, Ranger was killed last night by a COUGAR. Please people protect your animals and don’t let your dogs and cats out at night.
Anyone who thinks there aren’t Mountain Lions around everywhere virtually every night is fooling themselves. I spoke to a mountain lion tracker about 6 yrs ago when he was doing some work for us. He said over a month period he saw the tracks of 6-7 different lions move around our property.
Assume they are there at all times.
When I lived in Pine, I had a female mountain who was in heat right under my bedroom window and made awful noises all night long. How she could an attract a mate making the noises she did I’ll never know. Yes, there are mountain lions all over that area, tons of skat to prove it!
This morning my horses were nuts. Not just frisky, but nuts. Wouldn’t come down the barn to eat even and that’s just not like them. I’m in PJ, but not so far that a Mtn lion couldn’t have passed through…I’ll keep an eye out, but I swear, those big cats are ghosts! Thanks for the warning.
we have them at our place a couple of times now.One the DOW tranq’t and took far away, they other well lets say he went on to greener pastures.
One was so hungry, she was starving. I don’t understand how this could be, since we have a ton of deer. DOW told us they are watching our area, because it would seem we have to many currently. I hope they called the DOW, because she/he will be back. Ours came with another, and only females hunt together. The one that didn’t get caught, her tracks are as big as my fist. Best thing to do right now is soak amonia rags around, because she’ll be back looking for her meal.
(what your little critters)
209 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:26:39am |
I’m planting watercress in my pond this afternoon. I started the seeds indoors and since it like cool weather I don’t think our cold spell will be a problem. Should provide a nice breeding are for the frogs and I’m looking forward to making some soup later this summer….
Watercress Soup - The F Word
210 | Prononymous, rogue demon hunter Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:30:55am |
re: #205 Killgore Trout
Bullfrogs make one hell of a racket but our pacific tree frogs aren’t too bad. Since I have the only breeding pond in the area I figure I can control the population size if noise becomes an issue.
Please avoid it if you can. Frogs and other amphibians are having a seriously rough time as it is.
The sun is up, therefore it must be time to sleep. Good day lizards.
211 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:35:11am |
Yayy, I cleaned the bedroom. Now before I clean my office, I think I will reward myself with a little shopping trip. :)
212 | blueraven Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:36:14am |
re: #209 Killgore Trout
I’m planting watercress in my pond this afternoon. I started the seeds indoors and since it like cool weather I don’t think our cold spell will be a problem. Should provide a nice breeding are for the frogs and I’m looking forward to making some soup later this summer…
Watercress Soup - The F Word[Video]
Yum…that looks really good and so simple to make!
213 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:40:06am |
re: #209 Killgore Trout
Should provide a nice breeding area for the frogs and I’m looking forward to making some soup later this summer…
Frog soup?
214 | M. Dubious Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:40:11am |
re: #26 NJDhockeyfan
Hey, there’s a strategy for peace! Other countries angry at Israel should be doing the same thing. Given time, they might forget all about that that tiny, little country. You can’t fight what you can’t remember!
215 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:44:11am |
re: #212 blueraven
Yum…that looks really good and so simple to make!
Especially if you skip the poached egg. The whole thing takes just a few minutes. If you use one of those hand held wand mixers you could blitz it in the cooking pot and cleanup would be a snap.
216 | Killgore Trout Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:45:15am |
re: #213 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Frog soup?
I don’t know if there’s enough meat on our tree frogs to make it worth the effort. I think most of the eating frogs are bullfrogs.
217 | Fat Bastard Vegetarian Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:46:32am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
At a hotel last week, there was a pond behind it. The peepers were deafening.
It was awesome. I love the sound of a frog pond.
218 | Targetpractice Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:47:29am |
Well, judging by the Drudge headline, the Right’s decided that the time is right to flip-flop on their earlier position concerning Libya.
219 | Walter L. Newton Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:48:28am |
re: #216 Killgore Trout
I don’t know if there’s enough meat on our tree frogs to make it worth the effort. I think most of the eating frogs are bullfrogs.
There are good battered and deep fried… Frog Poppers.
220 | blueraven Sun, Mar 27, 2011 10:51:48am |
re: #215 Killgore Trout
Especially if you skip the poached egg. The whole thing takes just a few minutes. If you use one of those hand held wand mixers you could blitz it in the cooking pot and cleanup would be a snap.
True, but I love poached eggs and it would provide that extra richness. However, as a summer soup I could certainly see leaving it out for lighter fare.