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1 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:17:45pm

Lovely, melancholy.

Yes, that’s Bill Clinton with Elvis Costello, listening on the side of the stage.

Not surprising about Bill. He's a fine musician on his own.

2 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:25:04pm
Is This America?

I'm Afraid Of Americans

3 okonkolo  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:27:44pm

gorgeous tune and playing by Metheny

4 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:29:59pm

British guitarist plays American-flavored guitar music? UN-POSSIBLE!

I will stone-cold shank a bitch who disses Adrian Legg. Rawr.

5 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:30:48pm

America

6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:31:08pm

re: #4 negativ

Could you just leave snarky comments on youtube instead? The carpets, you see...

7 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:31:45pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Coming from the man who sang Young Americans? Not that I ever understood Bowie's early stuff. I was a big fan in the 70s, but more that it was fun to sing.

8 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:33:08pm

Cubs win! Cubs win! Cubs win!

9 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:35:26pm

I wish I knew where my Cat Overlord put my audio so I could listen . . .

10 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:35:49pm

re: #7 marjoriemoon

Coming from the man who sang Young Americans? Not that I ever understood Bowie's early stuff. I was a big fan in the 70s, but more that it was fun to sing.

Even those who may not like him, you have to admit that he successfully reincarnated himself over the years. his career has been pretty remarkable.

11 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:37:10pm

Those of you who grow weed, guess what? You all are causing Global Warming!

ENERGY UP IN SMOKE
THE CARBON FOOTPRINT OF INDOOR CANNABIS PRODUCTION

Evan Mills, Ph.D.

(note...it's a .pdf file)

12 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:37:33pm

America

13 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:38:25pm

re: #6 EmmmieG

No, don't think I can. The carpets were clean when I got here; it's hardly my fault that you came along later and drained your innumerable orifices indiscriminately.

14 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:38:34pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Even those who may not like him, you have to admit that he successfully reincarnated himself over the years. his career has been pretty remarkable.

Oh I adore him. Not that particular piece, but that's ok. As far as I'm concerned, he was the first punk. No one was dying their hair orange before him.

15 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:40:15pm

re: #13 negativ

No, don't think I can. The carpets were clean when I got here; it's hardly my fault that you came along later and drained your innumerable orifices indiscriminately.

Innumerable? I'm a sieve?

16 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:41:37pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

No, wait, even a sieve's orifices can be counted. I'm stumped, now.

17 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:42:24pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Even those who may not like him, you have to admit that he successfully reincarnated himself over the years. his career has been pretty remarkable.

He started out very dark. Man Who Sold the World was full of war, death references. Perfect for perpetually depressed teens :)

He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular.

18 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:45:12pm
he was the first punk. No one was dying their hair orange before him.

WELL what statement could POSSIBLY be more profound than dying one's hair orange?

19 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:46:12pm

re: #17 marjoriemoon

He started out very dark. Man Who Sold the World was full of war, death references. Perfect for perpetually depressed teens :)

He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular.


He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular. wealthy
/How could you not?

20 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:46:24pm

re: #15 EmmmieG

Shocking, ain't it?

21 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:47:46pm

America

22 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:48:44pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular. wealthy
/How could you not?

Indeed!

I always felt, too, that Bowie spawned the Black Funk movement in style anyway. The glittery jumpsuits, funky hair, makeup and accessories. Of course, the influence for all that was Elvis (minus the funky hair and makeup).

It all gets recycled into something new heh

23 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:49:18pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

He got a bit cheerier when he got more popular. wealthy, clean and sober.
/How could you not?

ftfy

24 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:49:23pm

Life On Mars?

25 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:49:59pm

ziggy played guitar . . .

time lights a cigarette . .

wish I could hear it.

26 What, me worry?  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:51:46pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

One of my favs. He had a run of gold and platinum records at that time. What was that from? Hunky Dory? I think that was plat.

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:53:40pm

night all!

Have a great one!

28 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:55:43pm

re: #26 marjoriemoon

One of my favs. He had a run of gold and platinum records at that time. What was that from? Hunky Dory? I think that was plat.

If you check liner notes I don;t think lou Reed ever had a hit without Bowie producing for him. It's all from the same era and you can spot it once you start listening for it.

29 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:55:44pm

That nasty wench Helen Thomas comes out of her hole and makes an appearance...

Helen Thomas was invited to speak at an event sponsored by the Middle Eastern Students Association at Loyola University Chicago. This event was part of the group's Palestine Awareness week, better known as Israel Apartheid Week.

Part of her speech:


"The Israelis are ruthless and not only have they been, they have been allowed to be the cause of support of America. American Presidents are afraid to say no to Israelis. It is political suicide. Especially if you are running again, which of course Obama is.

Only President Carter had been brave enough, courageous enough, to take them on; against their brutal oppression of the Palestinians. The bottom line is you can’t take what doesn’t belong to you.

For all the military might and all the nuclear arsenal, the Israelis live in fear, there is no question about that, and even more so now because of the Arab uprising all over. They hate that, I’m sure, because they have always false thought that they would be the only Democracy in the Middle East. What kind of democracy makes most of the citizens oppressed and not citizens, lower class, taking their land, taking their homes, killing their children? Now, I think I should lighten up, don’t you?

I’ve always assumed that President Obama would be liberal because he’s black. What a false assumption that was."

How nasty she is.

30 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:56:39pm

re: #29 NJDhockeyfan

That nasty wench Helen Thomas comes out of her hole and makes an appearance...

[Video]Part of her speech:

How nasty she is.

"I’ve always assumed that President Obama would be liberal because he’s black. What a false assumption that was."

Class-ay.

31 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 8:57:15pm

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

"I’ve always assumed that President Obama would be liberal because he’s black. What a false assumption that was."

Class-ay.

Yeah, I picked that out right away, too.

Because, you know, you can tell how a person thinks and feels by the amount of melanin in their skin.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:05:29pm

re: #31 EmmmieG

Yeah, I picked that out right away, too.

Because, you know, you can tell how a person thinks and feels by the amount of melanin in their skin.

"I didn't listen to his speeches, and I didn't ask for his opinions. I just held a brown paper bag up to the candidate and said, 'Yeah, he'll do.'"

/Helen Thomas gets honest

33 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:05:56pm

Actor Nicolas Cage arrested in New Orleans


NEW ORLEANS – Actor Nicolas Cage was arrested after he got drunk in the city's French Quarter and argued in the street with his wife over whether a house they were in front of was theirs, police said Saturday.

The couple was in front of a home that Cage insisted they were renting, police said. When she said it wasn't theirs, Cage grabbed her arm, according to a police news release.

Cage started hitting vehicles and tried to get into a taxi, police said. An officer saw that Cage was drunk and told him to get out of the cab. Cage then started yelling at the officer.

The actor has been booked on charges of domestic abuse battery, disturbing the peace and public drunkenness. He was released on $11,000 bond Saturday.

34 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:11:09pm

re: #33 NJDhockeyfan

Actor Nicolas Cage arrested in New Orleans

His life has turned into a bad movie, starring Nicholas Cage.

35 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:14:38pm

re: #34 Conservative Moonbat

His life has turned into a bad movie, starring Nicholas Cage.

Nick Cage and Charlie Sheen should do a buddy movie about being chased across the country by Mel Gibson. I might pay to see that.

36 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:17:39pm

Someone else hates NJ Nazis too...

4 hurt, 2 arrested after brawl between Nazis and antiracists in Pemberton Borough

PEMBERTON BOROUGH — A clash between neo-Nazis and members of an antiracist organization Friday evening left four Nazis in the hospital and prompted two arrests, according to the New Jersey State Police.

37 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:18:12pm

Gaddafi is now confirmed to be using Child Soldiers. From Daily Telegraph:

By Ben Farmer, Misurata

The teenagers are told they are going on training exercises until they reach the front lines, when they are given rifles and told by officers they will be shot if they retreat or desert.

Two badly-wounded teenage fighters shown to The Daily Telegraph said they were told Misurata had been overrun by drug addicts, Islamic militants and Egyptian invaders.

One said his own side had opened fire on his own teenage detachment when they later fled from the rebels.

In the past week, the conscripts have been thrust into fighting along the strategic “heavy road” connecting the Benghazi to Tripoli highway with the commercial port ten miles away at Ghasr Ahmad.

A handful of fishing boats reaching the port from Libyan Benghazi are the rebels’ only link with revolutionaries in the east and Gaddafi’s forces are trying to cut the port from central Misurata.

Umran, a 17-year-old from near Tripoli, said he had spent two years at a military school only to leave and work in a shop in November.

He was recalled to barracks “for more training” as soon as the February 17 uprising began and kept for 40 days without access to the radio or television.

He said: “I was given a rifle and we were told we were going to shoot targets on an exercise. Then we found ourselves in Misurata. There were 90 of us, aged 15 to 19.

“We were told we had to cleanse Misurata. There were invaders from Egypt and we had to fight against them.” “We said we didn’t want any part in it and requested to leave. They refused and some tried to run off and officers fired on them.” Those who stayed were reassured 500 reinforcements were on their way, though these never arrived.

He's desperate to do this. In any case, both Britain and Qatar are supplying the rebels (Britain giving out Body Armor, Qatar giving out weapons). In addition, the nations of Britain, France, Denmark, and Norway are giving Gaddafi and his men hell through airstrikes.

38 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:21:33pm

re: #37 ProLifeLiberal

In addition, Sweden, for only the third time (I think) since the Napoleonic Wars, has deployed their military outside of the nation, in order to enforce the No-Fly Zone. The other two times were Bosnia and Kosovo.

39 BenghaziHoops  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:22:56pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

Nick Cage and Charlie Sheen should do a buddy movie about being chased across the country by Mel Gibson. I might pay to see that.

When Jordan and his Marine platoon got back from Iraq we all rented a beachhouse in Oceanside.. everybody knew no matter what time it was where we were on the beach...
And nicky baby..You should have messed with the boys drunk in front of the house..Cause they would have kicked the ever living fuck out of you Hollywood boy..
Go Marines!

40 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:27:44pm

Bad News from Finland: That nation's equivalent of the Tea Party is may get 15% of the vote in Today's (17th) election. The party is called True Finns. There is a collapse in support of most part parties, with only the Left Alliance and Green League gaining support, aside from the aforementioned near-fascists.

41 Killgore Trout  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:37:58pm

Atlas Shrugged Movie Scene: Dagny Taggart Confronts the Union


Looks like this sums it up nicely.
/Namaste, y;all
42 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:44:32pm

'Officer in N. Command warns Hezbollah commanders'

According to a report in the London-based Al-Hayyat Arabic-language newspaper Saturday, a senior officer in the IDF's Northern Command sent a warning to 150 Hezbollah commanders in southern Lebanon against firing rockets into Israel, Israel Radio reported.

In his message, the unnamed officer in the Northern Command warned Hezbollah commanders that if they fire one rocket into Israeli territory that they will face a harsh response, according to the report.

Addressing Hezbollah's use of civilian areas in southern Lebanon as cover for its activities, the message warned that if a rocket is fired from a house or other building, the launch site would be immediately destroyed.

43 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:47:20pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

Atlas Shrugged Movie Scene: Dagny Taggart Confronts the Union

[Video]
Looks like this sums it up nicely.
/Namaste, y;all

Part 1??!? Gah, there has to be more?

44 simoom  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:54:00pm

I'm really starting to think Trump's "Hawaii investigators" are just trolling through the WND archives and feeding it back to their boss. He's now added the born 'Barry Soetero' crap, that perhaps he's hiding that he was born a Muslim, that his Kenyan Grandmother had "Obama handlers" in the room that made her refute the truth, to all the rest of his litany of WND birther BS:
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

During the Hannity interview, Hannity and Trump speculated that Obama's real birth certificate might contain information he does not want the public to see, such as information stating that he was a Muslim. Trump then segued into questioning Obama's whole background.

"Look, he was born 'Barry Soetero.' Somewhere along the line, he changed his name," said Trump -- referring to the surname of Obama's mother's second husband, Lolo Soetoro, whom she married four years after Obama was born. "I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but the second book was written by an average person."

"You suspect Bill Ayers?" said Hannity.

"I said, Bill Ayers wrote the book," Trump replied.

Trump also added during the discussion: "He was best friends with Bill Ayers. Bill Ayers was a super-genius. And a lot of people have said he wrote the book. Well recently, as you know last week, Bill Ayers came out and said he did write the book."

"Barack Obama wouldn't be president -- and, you know, I wrote many best sellers, and also, number one bestsellers including The Art of the Deal. So I know something about writing. And I want to tell you, the guy that wrote the first book didn't write the second book [The Audacity of Hope]. Obama made a big mistake when he wrote the second book. Because the second book was not Ernest Hemingway, it was about 37 classes below. So, the first book is Ernest Hemingway-plus. The second book was written by somebody that was much more average."

I suppose the whole Orly Taitz, Obama-has-39-Social-Security-numbers, won't be long off now.

I know many think the opposite, but I really have to imagine that since it's extremely unlikely Trump will be the nominee, his injecting daily Birther rhetoric into the media will have to have an effect on some independent voters. Will the eventual nominee really suffer net negative consequences for Trump's actions?... or will they ultimately benefit from parts of the electorate who are infected with suspicions of illegitimacy and cover-up (which may only be enhanced if the DoJ ends up challenging the AZ Birther law)?

I'd be interested in seeing some polling of whether Bither sentiment has spread among independents over the last month.

45 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:56:54pm

re: #44 simoom

To put it rather succinctly, Trump is NOT smart. He's an abject idiot. He proves it every day.

46 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 9:59:56pm

re: #44 simoom

Yeah, I would too. I doubt that it's taken off with the I's.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:00:40pm

re: #44 simoom

"I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but the second book was written by an average person."

First, "Dreams of My Father" was better than Hemingway? By what possible standard?

Also, Bill Ayers is a better writer than Hemingway?

Why do I doubt that?

48 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:04:43pm

A great song I love called Something Inside My Head.

You may not like rap or hip hop, but the lyrics are brilliant.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:06:12pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

"I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard. He wrote a book that was better than Ernest Hemingway, but the second book was written by an average person."

First, "Dreams of My Father" was better than Hemingway? By what possible standard?

Also, Bill Ayers is a better writer than Hemingway?

Why do I doubt that?

Also, if Ayers wrote the first book for Obama, as part of a devious plan to make him president ('cause we always vote for the guy who wrote an interesting memoir), why didn't he write the second book for him?

50 simoom  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:08:13pm

re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist

And I'm also guessing the chances that Trump actually read the President's books is somewhere around his chances of fooling anyone with his double comb-over.

51 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:09:57pm

I'm still waiting for Trump's hair's birth certificate.

52 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:12:24pm

re: #48 Irenicum

A great song I love called Something Inside My Head.

[Video]You may not like rap or hip hop, but the lyrics are brilliant.

Lovely. I've never heard this guy before.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:13:08pm

re: #50 simoom

And I'm also guessing the chances that Trump actually read the President's books is somewhere around his chances of fooling anyone with his double comb-over.

What are the odds that Trump has read anything by Hemingway since high school?

54 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:13:24pm

re: #51 Irenicum

I'm still waiting for Trump's hair's birth certificate.

I think it started life as a beaver.

55 prairiefire  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:15:34pm

re: #48 Irenicum

A great song I love called Something Inside My Head.

[Video]You may not like rap or hip hop, but the lyrics are brilliant.

Hey! We got our tickets for the trip to Conn. I plan on eating my way around Long Island Sound.

56 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:16:47pm

re: #54 freetoken

I decided he needs this campaign slogan: Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow!

57 simoom  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:17:18pm

Vanity Fair: Shocking Truth Behind Donald Trump’s Hair Revealed?

My baldly-stated thesis: this could be evidence of a rarely-sighted, possibly unprecedented “double comb-over.” It looks as if a length of hair growing from the part on the left side of Trump’s pate has been combed left-to-right over the crown of his head, while a second length of hair, growing from the back of his head, has been combed back-to-front over the first length of hair. Salon-strength hair products likely play a role in the final construction of this lattice-like structure—which could also explain the “ship’s prow” look one sometimes sees in side views of Trump.

Granted, there could be other explanations for the cross-hatching in Trump’s hair, such as a wood-grain tattoo on his scalp.

58 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:17:20pm

re: #55 prairiefire

Not a bad idea! Good food all around.

59 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:19:46pm

re: #54 freetoken

Another one I saw on my FB page was priceless: We Shall Overcomb!

60 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:22:00pm

re: #56 Irenicum

I decided he needs this campaign slogan: Hair Today, Gone Tomorrow!

[Link: www.mojvideo.com...]

61 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:34:08pm

re: #60 freetoken

Holy shit! This is a seriously subserversive cartoon.

62 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:35:39pm

re: #61 Irenicum

Holy shit! This is a seriously subserversive cartoon.

Indoctrinating children to be atheistic muslim heathen, no doubt.

63 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:38:36pm

re: #62 freetoken

Yeah, seriously. Thank God for self critical media, whether cartoons or other media. Thinking critically is dangerous. And dangerously necessary.

65 Girth  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:43:08pm

re: #44 simoom

I heard he had terrible marks, and he ends up in Harvard.

This statement just hangs there, with no connection to either the birth certificate or the books/Ayers thing.

Nice dog whistle there Donald. Black man (I heard he had bad grades, Sean) gets into Harvard. He wouldn't even be President if those Ivy League elites didn't let him in instead of a qualified white guy. Affirmative action President!

At this point, Trump is such a joke that I'm waiting for him to pull a fast one, like a billionaire performance artist.

"You people are stupid! You believed me when I said all this crazy stuff and you want me to be President? You're all fired!"

66 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:45:55pm

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Hahahaha! Nice.

67 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 10:48:36pm

I just realized I misspelled subversive. Language is a strange thing.

68 simoom  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:17:26pm

re: #65 Girth

He wouldn't even be President if those Ivy League elites didn't let him in instead of a qualified white guy. Affirmative action President!

The Daily Caller's Mickey Kaus covered similar ground a couple days back:

"Why is Obama a Bad Politician"

The answer is distressingly obvious: Obama’s the biggest affirmative action baby in history.

Actually, I'm deleting the URL out from that link. The last thing I want to do is sent Tucker Carlson any traffic.

69 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:20:14pm

The atheistic muslim heathen agenda marches on!


CA-senate-bill-mandates-gay-history

SACRAMENTO, Calif. -- Gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people would be added to the lengthy list of social and ethnic groups that public schools must include in social studies lessons under a landmark bill passed Thursday by the California Senate.

If the bill is adopted by the state Assembly and signed by Gov. Jerry Brown, California would become the first state to require the teaching of gay history.

Supporters say the move is needed to counter anti-gay stereotypes and beliefs that make children in those groups vulnerable to bullying and suicide.

[...]

70 Irenicum  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:26:14pm

Here's a video that rocked my world earlier tonight...

Brother Cornel West continues to rock.

71 freetoken  Sat, Apr 16, 2011 11:33:03pm

re: #70 Irenicum

The "examined life" is painful.

72 freetoken  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:04:34am
73 freetoken  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:07:54am
74 freetoken  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:13:44am
75 CuriousLurker  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:17:41am

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Langston Hughes On the IRT; A Poem Arouses Many Feelings
By JOE SEXTON
Published: March 02, 1994

The Transit Authority's program is called Poetry in Motion, and on this particular morning eight lines of Langston Hughes rumble along the length of the IRT No. 3 line.

Sometimes a crumb falls
From the tables of joy
Sometimes a bone
Is flung.

To some people
Love is given
To others
Only heaven.

The poem, titled "Luck," is in the last days of its singular urban life on Car No. 2000, which sits awash in filtered morning sunlight in the outdoor New Lots Avenue station in Brooklyn. It is scheduled to be taken down, replaced by poems No. 26 and 27 in the series that began 16 months ago in the subways.

Wendy Richards is the first person to glance at the poem poster this morning. She reads it quietly and then both smiles and cries. Ms. Richards is two hours late for work. She had spent the morning attending to the details of the death of a neighbor who used to ride the subway with her. Lois Russell, who had talked with Ms. Richards recently about the Hughes poem, had died in her sleep only hours before. She was 45 years old.

"She was with me yesterday," Ms. Richards said of her neighbor. "We both loved the poem. It seems full of knowledge, and it's nice to be offered a bit of it."

The No. 3 train courses through the cold.…(more)

76 freetoken  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:42:32am

Why roll up your sleeves? Another way to check your blood pressure is by clamping the testing device on your left nipple. See, you learn something new every day.

77 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 1:23:37am

re: #11 NJDhockeyfan

Those of you who grow weed, guess what? You all are causing Global Warming!

(note...it's a .pdf file)

note the important word "indoor"


words mean things! Whee!

78 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 1:24:37am

re: #45 Irenicum

To put it rather succinctly, Trump is NOT smart. He's an abject idiot. He proves it every day.

and yet the world pays attention him

not smart compared to some, but vastly smarter than the average american

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 1:46:45am

re: #78 WindUpBird

and yet the world pays attention him

not smart compared to some, but vastly smarter than the average american

Cunning, perhaps. I'll accept 'cunning'.

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 2:02:52am

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Cunning, perhaps. I'll accept 'cunning'.

he's very clever! He seems to be socially engineering the media with this coy birther/presidential candidate will-he-or-not thing. Karl Rove is correct; he's a joke candidate. But the media wants a joke, because stunts = ratings. Cable news knows this, he knows this. They both benefit, so he gets on everywhere and does his birther game. he's no real birther as far as I can tell, he's trolling the country.

81 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 2:03:39am

re: #69 freetoken

great news, and naturally the inland empire will just be rending their confederate flags over it

82 freetoken  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 3:36:06am

Posted more to pimp that Youtube channel than anything else - you might know someone who could benefit from its videos.

83 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 4:26:24am

Here's a nifty monkey-themed science blog.

[Link: seriousmonkeybusiness.wordpress.com...]

Because you can never read too many monkey-themed science blogs.

84 researchok  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 5:00:05am

Morning, all

85 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 5:12:34am

Another review of Atlas Shrugged, Part 1:

[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

Calling Atlas Shrugged: Part 1 a train wreck would be doing a disservice to how fascinating most train wrecks tend to be.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:05:51am

re: #8 NJDhockeyfan

Cubs win! Cubs win! Cubs win!

Always a good thing to read.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:11:13am

re: #64 goddamnedfrank

Hot 'n frothy, sweet 'n meaty:

I actually think of Langston Hughes quite often when I think of Barack Obama. His poem about Black people like him (and also about gay people of that time) "We Wear The Mask" speak to me about the sort of iron self-control the president maintains. He avoids being visibly angry or seeming too emotional in order to avoid the visceral reaction that many white people have to an "angry black man". Obama clearly holds his feeling in check at times, 'wearing the mask' in order to get things done. His self-control is something I greatly respect in him.

88 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:25:40am

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

Hey DF, I answered you yesterday about Rudy on the other thread. Apologies again if I offended you.

89 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:27:17am

re: #88 iceweasel

Hey DF, I answered you yesterday about Rudy on the other thread. Apologies again if I offended you.

No, I wasn't offended after reading your reply. We all make mistakes in our posts at times. I made a fairly large one yesterday myself, so it's all good.

90 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:28:30am

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

No, I wasn't offended after reading your reply. We all make mistakes in our posts at times. I made a fairly large one yesterday myself, so it's all good.

It's the medium. Sarc tags can only do so much and also it's easy to misread or be misread, especially with a quick throwaway comment like mine. Thanks.

91 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:30:32am

Dammit, one of our cats is in heat and the noises she's making are driving us crazy. Merowwwwwww!

93 darthstar  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:40:26am

re: #91 iceweasel

Dammit, one of our cats is in heat and the noises she's making are driving us crazy. Merowww!

Let her go ouside and play.

94 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:42:27am

re: #93 darthstar

Let her go ouside and play.

Wish we could but she's an indoor kitty and we don't want her getting pregnant.

Planned Parenthood! It's not just for humans. /

95 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:42:55am

re: #91 iceweasel

Dammit, one of our cats is in heat and the noises she's making are driving us crazy. Merowww!

Given that its you who posted that comment:


On a serious note, if you don't plan on breeding her you should get her spayed. Otherwise she's going to get out of the house and you'll find yourself trying to find homes for the resulting kittens.

96 BARACK THE VOTE  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 6:46:20am

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

That Was Awesome. Jimmah's watching too and we laughed.

97 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:05:11am

re: #85 Obdicut

Another review of Atlas Shrugged, Part 1:

[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

And a less over the top (regardless of which side. positive or negatve) review

[Link: www.theobjectivestandard.com...]

But Atlas Shrugged: Part I is not the novel and it does not pretend to be. It is a fairly competently made, credible adaptation of one of the most complex novels ever written. Even with its flaws, the film is enjoyable and has wonderful moments, including some in which it captures the power of the novel

98 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:18:34am

re: #97 sattv4u2

Seriously? You're citing from the Objectivist Sstandard for a review of Atlas Shrugged?

Could call up the filmmaker's mother and get her point of view too, I guess.

99 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:21:31am

re: #98 Obdicut

Seriously? You're citing from the Objectivist Sstandard for a review of Atlas Shrugged?

Could call up the filmmaker's mother and get her point of view too, I guess.

This, from the guy that cited somethingawful as a source!

100 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:26:18am

re: #99 sattv4u2

Huh?

Do you know what the Objectivist Standard is?

101 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:28:40am

re: #100 Obdicut

Huh?

Do you know what the Objectivist Standard is?


Yes and thats why I cited it against your "objective" somethingawful" review

waytomissthepoint

Here, have a cup of coffee on me. freshly brewed

102 Lidane  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:30:30am

re: #34 Conservative Moonbat

His life has turned into a bad movie, starring Nicholas Cage.

Heh.

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

103 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:32:07am

Trump's newest lefty connection....
Donald Trump's Political 'Pit Bull': Meet Michael Cohen

Not What You Might Think, Top Trump Aide Voted For Obama In 2008


This could end up being a practical joke of historic proportions.

104 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:32:49am

re: #102 Lidane

Heh.

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

He's (Cage) jealous of all the attention Charlie Sheen is getting!

105 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:33:11am

re: #101 sattv4u2

You make very little sense. None, really.

Nearly every review written of Atlas Shrugged says that it's a trainwreck, a boring piece of dreck. It's a lead balloon.

The Objectivist Standard, on the other hand, tongue-bathes it in praise, comparatively. Numerous tins of turd-polish are employed in attempting to make the dessicated corpse of the movie appear somewhat alive.

So, your claim that it's a review that's less over the top is rather obviously wrong. It's a review by nutjob Randians of a movie about a Rand book. It's over the top in the praise of it-- since what they're praising is such a heap of garbage. It's probably the most biased and unreliable review possible.

Congrats.

106 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:36:25am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Hell, at this point he could suddenly announce he was running as a Democrat and I wouldn't be surprised.

107 BenghaziHoops  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:37:31am

The Hoopsters review of Wall Street..Money never sleeps
It sucked big time

108 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:38:29am

Republicans looking to alienate every last American by encouraging crackdown on porn....
Eric Holder accused of neglecting porn fight

To the list of social issues such as abortion once thought to be off the 2011 political agenda and now making a comeback, add a hot-button one from the days of Reagan-era Attorney General Ed Meese — pornography.

The catalyst for a renewed fight over pornography is a recent, little-noticed move by Attorney General Eric Holder to shutter the Obscenity Prosecution Task Force, a special Justice Department unit set up during the Bush administration under pressure from conservatives upset about the proliferation of obscene material on the Internet.

109 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:38:43am

re: #105 Obdicut

Want (need) that coffee now, or will you wait till the scones arrive

110 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:40:06am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

A man of the people.


Cohen, whose position allows him to play at any of Trump's courses around the world, describes himself as a "decent" golfer and an avid tennis player. Much like Trump's, his circle of acquaintances include political leaders, actors and "super high net worth people," as Cohen calls them.

He only wears Dolce & Gabbana suits and Hermes ties.

111 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:40:16am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Trump's newest lefty connection...
Donald Trump's Political 'Pit Bull': Meet Michael Cohen


This could end up being a practical joke of historic proportions.

Yes. Cohens actions make little sense. Take a run at Obama with Trump as a Dem. then at least you're sticking to your (Cohens) core beliefs

112 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:40:28am

re: #109 sattv4u2

I've had some awesome Brazilian roast already. It was yummy. You ought to drain a pot before you cite Leonard Peikoff's review of the movie.

113 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:41:02am

re: #112 Obdicut

I've had some awesome Brazilian roast already. It was yummy. You ought to drain a pot before you cite Leonard Peikoff's review of the movie.

So you'll wait for the pastry then, huh?

114 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:46:42am

Wonder if this would work if I sent a "notice" of my death to the IRS

[Link: www.boston.com...]

A local man who faked his own death to beat several court cases has been sentenced to three years in prison. Michael Rosen was sentenced Thursday in Salem Superior Court after pleading guilty to forgery charges. Authorities say the 43-year-old Rosen walked into court in July pretending to be his brother and handed a clerk a death certificate showing that he had died of “cardio-respiratory’’ arrest and was buried in Temple “Isreal’’ Cemetery. It worked at first, as a judge dismissed Rosen’s cases. But Rosen’s probation officer became suspicious because he had recently seen Rosen in good health. Rosen had made the fake death certificate on a computer

115 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:47:44am

re: #114 sattv4u2
I would not try that.

116 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:50:28am

re: #115 PhillyPretzel

I would not try that.

Michael Rosen shouldn't have either!
Michael Rosen was sentenced Thursday in Salem Superior Court after pleading guilty to forgery charges
I'm sure he'll also have to stand trial for the original charges he tried to evade

117 Lidane  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:51:15am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

Republicans looking to alienate every last American by encouraging crackdown on porn...
Eric Holder accused of neglecting porn fight

NANNY STATE! BIG GUBMINT!

Except, you know, when it comes to sex and porn.

118 Lidane  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:55:16am

re: #112 Obdicut

Leonard Peikoff

Is he still Ayn Rand's lapdog? I seem to recall her making him the executor of her will.

119 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:57:03am

I'll toss out this thought experiment...
If Trump's presidential run is a hoax (which it might be) who is responsible?
1) Trump just found an easy way to exploit the rudderless wingnuts to promote his reality shows. I think this is the most likely scenario.
2) the Dems found an easy way to make Republicans look stupid. It's certainly a possibility.
3) Fox News and Rupert Murdoch want Obama to stay in the White House. Fox News is pretty sloppy but I find it hard to believe that nobody over there googled him to learn his political positions before promoting him as a Republican candidate. In true Randian irony, Fox makes a lot of money promoting outrageous outrages while Obama is in office and maybe they are acting in their own best financial interest.

120 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:57:17am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

More pretend shrinking of big government.

The April 4 letter refrains from criticzing the Justice Department's record. However, in the past, Hatch has publicly complained to Holder that the Justice Department was devoting too much focus to small-time purveyors of "fringe" fetish pornography and not enough attention to the mass-market producers. However, winning cases against large-scale operators could be complicated since they could argue that their very success demonstrates that their products do not violate community standards.
[Link: www.politico.com...]
121 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:57:22am

re: #118 Lidane

Yep. He's the one who thinks there's no possibility on improving on Objectivist thought as defined by Rand, as opposed to the slightly-less-insane Objectivists who think that maybe she didn't create the absolutely fully-fleshed philosophical system and other thinkers can contribute too.

122 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:58:28am

re: #117 Lidane

NANNY STATE! BIG GUBMINT!

Except, you know, when it comes to sex and porn.

The gop will abolish Planned Parenthood and use the money to issue mandatory chastity belts.

123 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:58:50am

re: #119 Killgore Trout
I agree. It is certainly possible.

124 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 7:59:54am

re: #122 Killgore Trout
Is there a holster for my gun?

125 Lidane  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:00:12am

re: #122 Killgore Trout

The gop will abolish Planned Parenthood and use the money to issue mandatory chastity belts.

Chastity belts and burqas. Can't take any chances on teh wimminz tempting men into anything. =P

126 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:01:03am

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Organizers of the annual marijuana freedom festival in Amherst are celebrating its 20th anniversary with two days of events this year

However, the organizers can't seem to remember which two days they are!
/

127 Obdicut  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:01:12am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

Yeah. I think it's #1. Trump saw how gullible and uninformed the Tea Party types and the rest of the conservative cult is right now, and took advantage of it. However, I think he may be surprised at his own success and now seriously considering actually running.

128 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:02:26am

re: #119 Killgore Trout

I'd bet on scenarios 1 & 3 as the most likely.

129 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:03:29am

re: #123 PhillyPretzel

I agree. It is certainly possible.

It also occurred to me that Gop insiders might worry that one of their "real" candidates might actually win and, like Scott Walker, do some reckless, stupid and very unpopular shit that would damage the Republican party. Maybe they think it's best to just scuttle the election and wait until later. I doubt they would actually initiate the Trump hoax but maybe they think it's best to let it play out.

130 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:03:30am

I listened to a speech by Ayn Rand yesterday. As you usual, I felt sorry for Rand because in many ways she seemed rather pathetic. She did make a few good points such regarding her position as a pro-choice woman and Ronald Reagan's tendency to not be on the side of true freedom. But overall it sounded like "Ayn Rand at a cocktail party trying to impress a rich guy to marry her."

So called Objectivism seems to be an odd reversal of roles in which the traditional bad guy becomes the good guy. A philosophy embraced by people who are only intent on licking the boots of the rich and the powerful. Had there been Objectivists around during the Revolutionary War period the would probably have sided with the wealthy aristocracy of the British royalty.

131 Lidane  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:03:35am

re: #121 Obdicut

Yep. He's the one who thinks there's no possibility on improving on Objectivist thought as defined by Rand, as opposed to the slightly-less-insane Objectivists who think that maybe she didn't create the absolutely fully-fleshed philosophical system and other thinkers can contribute too.

Oh yeah. I remember reading about the "open vs. closed Objectivism" debate a while back. He sounds like a religious fanatic, which is hilariously ironic given Rand's feelings on religion.

132 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:06:24am

re: #131 Lidane

Oh yeah. I remember reading about the "open vs. closed Objectivism" debate a while back. He sounds like a religious fanatic, which is hilariously ironic given Rand's feelings on religion.

Probably because in many ways Rand's ideas was the secular version of the "prosperity gospel".

133 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:07:51am

:(
Sad day

Looks as if the (small) family of deer that took up residence at the far edge of my property have gone on to greener pastures

I have been feeding them for over a year now and had left a bag of corn out there last week (as I've been doing) and when I went out there today it was mostly untouched

That, and I haven't seen them sniffing around the fence, which we usually do

134 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:08:09am

re: #130 Gus 802

The Objectivist's iron-clad rule is that there are no laws or rules, and woe betide you if you forget to give out instruction on that custom.

We have no rules of any kind", said Galt, "except one. When a man took our oath, it meant a single commitment: not to work in his own profession, not to give to the world the benefit of his mind.

Our first rule here, Miss Taggart", [Galt] answered, "is that one must always see for oneself."

"Miss Taggart,", [Galt] said, we have no laws in this valley, no rules, no formal organization of any kind. But we have certain customs which we all observe..."

Galt: "I'll warn you now that there is one word that is forbidden in this valley: the word, 'give'."

135 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:10:36am

re: #134 jaunte

The Objectivist's iron-clad rule is that there are no laws or rules, and woe betide you if you forget to give out instruction on that custom.

Objectivist birthday parties must suck....

136 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:11:39am

re: #134 jaunte

The Objectivist's iron-clad rule is that there are no laws or rules, and woe betide you if you forget to give out instruction on that custom.

Sounds like "anarchy for the wealthy". Which of course it is since it's basically an extreme version of Libertarianism mixed in with the great American church of capitalism in the mold of the old railroad magnates. A mutual admiration society of moneyed narcissists and their admirers.

137 HappyWarrior  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:15:31am

I've made it noted many times that I personally find objectivism to be a repugnant policy. Yes, there needs to be individualism but absolute individualism at the point where you lose your humanity, you start to draw a line.

138 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:16:23am

re: #136 Gus 802

Rand's ideas don't follow historic human practices. Where would most moneyed narcissists be if their parents hadn't given them enough money, education or drive to get started in the first place?

139 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:18:39am

re: #130 Gus 802

So called Objectivism seems to be an odd reversal of roles in which the traditional bad guy becomes the good guy. A philosophy embraced by people who are only intent on licking the boots of the rich and the powerful. Had there been Objectivists around during the Revolutionary War period the would probably have sided with the wealthy aristocracy of the British royalty.

I think the inverted morality is actually part of the appeal. Kind of like the lefty chick I know that converted to Islam after 9-111 to outrage her family. There is a certain appeal to this especially among the young which explains why Ron Paul appeals to young voters so much. By the time Ayn Rand came around there had been at least 100 years of demonizing big business. Child labor exploitation, railroad monopolies, robber barons, the great depression etc. She was kind of a "shock-jock" of her time turning the villains into the heroes.

140 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:19:27am

re: #138 jaunte

Rand's ideas don't follow historic human practices. Where would most moneyed narcissists be if their parents hadn't given them enough money, education or drive to get started in the first place?

She spent so much time alone that she forgot that humans are a social animal. There is no wealth without labor. Railroads weren't built on the sweat of the magnates but the sweat of labor -- including slave labor. She was an admirer of the Rev. Ike. Her idea for the poor was also "if you don't like being poor, don't be one". She also fumbled her way through the late 70s by rejecting Ronald Reagan in favor of the stumbling Gerald Ford.

141 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:22:26am

re: #140 Gus 802

"f you don't want to be poor, it's simple. Just think of a new alloy essential to industry. Then you can refuse to let people have it, and go live in a gulch"

142 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:22:41am

This fits in well with our conversation this morning.
Trump takes on Romney
Heh.

143 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:24:59am

re: #141 jaunte

"f you don't want to be poor, it's simple. Just think of a new alloy essential to industry. Then you can refuse to let people have it, and go live in a gulch"

See. When I read that I think of a spoiled child. "I'm taking my toys and going home!"

144 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:28:04am

And she said "there is no hope for the Soviet Union" and "there is no hope for Poland." Besides effectively endorsing Gerald Ford that is. She is almost treated like a demigod by the adherents of the Objectivist Cult.

145 HappyWarrior  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:33:04am

Didn't Ford appoint Greenspan who was one of her protages to an important position? The cult of Rand is like that of many, where any criticism makes the critic a dumb and misinformed person. It's like Ron Paul. If you've ever tried discussing the issues with them, you'd know exactly what I am talking about.I still have vivid memories of being called a sheep because I pointed out that you can't say the isolationist founders would be isolationist in 2008 was a different world than 1789.

146 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:33:17am

One of the reasons she disliked Reagan was because she thought he was in favor of a "mixed economy". Hence he was not a "true capitalist".

147 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:34:51am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Didn't Ford appoint Greenspan who was one of her protages to an important position? The cult of Rand is like that of many, where any criticism makes the critic a dumb and misinformed person. It's like Ron Paul. If you've ever tried discussing the issues with them, you'd know exactly what I am talking about.I still have vivid memories of being called a sheep because I pointed out that you can't say the isolationist founders would be isolationist in 2008 was a different world than 1789.

You talked to Rand?

148 Lidane  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:36:10am

re: #142 Killgore Trout

This fits in well with our conversation this morning.
Trump takes on Romney
Heh.

The comments are a hoot:


Trump is a delusional lunatic... He is not even a billionaire and is actually inherited from his dad company! There is a clear contrast between Mitt Romney and Donald Trump. Mitt Romney is an Honest and successful businessman while Donald Trump had to file for bankruptcy several times and actually is a dishonest businessman, take the example of his business with Qaddafi... Mitt Romney- Vice President and CEO of Bain and Company, rescue them from failing, Co-Founder of Bain Capital, Rescuer of the Salt Lake City Winter Olympics, and the 70th Governor of Massachusetts. What about Trump?

---

He's An Obama plant . . .

He will destroy all the other candidates, because he has no party loyalty. He will easily win the nomination if he wants it.
He will capture 42 per cent of the vote; a hand full of southern states, Utah, Wyoming, Idaho and maybe Montana. And that's it. Obama gets about 400 electoral votes.

---

the Donald I would think should be reporting on what his "troops on the ground" in Hawaii have found about the birth of President Obama over there. Surely they have found something that can be reported on. Or maybe he sent out the same guys OJ Simpson sent out to find the "real killers" we're waiting to hear from them too.

Hehe.

149 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:36:38am

re: #140 Gus 802

She spent so much time alone that she forgot that humans are a social animal. There is no wealth without labor. Railroads weren't built on the sweat of the magnates but the sweat of labor -- including slave labor. She was an admirer of the Rev. Ike. Her idea for the poor was also "if you don't like being poor, don't be one". She also fumbled her way through the late 70s by rejecting Ronald Reagan in favor of the stumbling Gerald Ford.

re: #141 jaunte

"f you don't want to be poor, it's simple. Just think of a new alloy essential to industry. Then you can refuse to let people have it, and go live in a gulch"

What always struck me about her was her lack of compassion, so I have a hard time finding pity for her. When I heard her speak about the mentally and physically disabled, that they have no function in society and therefore society shouldn't be devoting any kind of training or care for them, I thought, "Gee there must be a lot of institutions in her world." But then she wouldn't pay for even that, leaving the disabled to simply flounder and die.

I hate to go all Godwin and she didn't advocate for outright killing them (I don't know if she thought it), but her ideas aren't far from Nazism.

150 Winny Spencer  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:37:18am

re: #148 Lidane

Those comments are pretty spot on, I'd say.

151 HappyWarrior  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:37:26am

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

You talked to Rand?

Nah, was talking about followers who think any disagreement amounts to stupidit on the disagreers part.

152 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:39:25am

re: #148 Lidane

I put my money on the idea that this is a farce. a scheme to get his name in the papers, up his ratings and get folks to watch his fucked up show. He ain't gonna run for anything.

153 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:39:45am

re: #149 marjoriemoon

re: #141 jaunte

What always struck me about her was her lack of compassion, so I have a hard time finding pity for her. When I heard her speak about the mentally and physically disabled, that they have no function in society and therefore society shouldn't be devoting any kind of training or care for them, I thought, "Gee there must be a lot of institutions in her world." But then she wouldn't pay for even that, leaving the disabled to simply flounder and die.

I hate to go all Godwin and she didn't advocate for outright killing them (I don't know if she thought it), but her ideas aren't far from Nazism.

I was thinking "you can take the Soviet out of the Soviet Union but you can't take the Sovietism out of the Soviet". Or some such words. There was a strong aroma of Soviet style to her words. It's ridiculous. She championed a form of group collectivism around her ideology. Objectivism is an ideology and once it reached the point of being accepted by a small mass of people it becomes a collective.

154 HappyWarrior  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:40:54am

re: #149 marjoriemoon

re: #141 jaunte

What always struck me about her was her lack of compassion, so I have a hard time finding pity for her. When I heard her speak about the mentally and physically disabled, that they have no function in society and therefore society shouldn't be devoting any kind of training or care for them, I thought, "Gee there must be a lot of institutions in her world." But then she wouldn't pay for even that, leaving the disabled to simply flounder and die.

I hate to go all Godwin and she didn't advocate for outright killing them (I don't know if she thought it), but her ideas aren't far from Nazism.

Her ideas on the disabled at the very most are horrifying. And yes I agree with your point as a whole that what has always rubbed me the wrong way about her and her whole philosophy is its complete lack of compassion for fellow human beings.

155 allegro  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:43:11am

A lack of empathy is an absolute mandate for an adherent of Randian Objectivism

156 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:43:24am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Her ideas on the disabled at the very most are horrifying. And yes I agree with your point as a whole that what has always rubbed me the wrong way about her and her whole philosophy is its complete lack of compassion for fellow human beings.

It may be an alternate form of saying "I didn't come from no monkey"
[Link: www.livescience.com...]

157 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:43:38am

re: #153 Gus 802

I was thinking "you can take the Soviet out of the Soviet Union but you can't take the Sovietism out of the Soviet". Or some such words. There was a strong aroma of Soviet style to her words. It's ridiculous. She championed a form of group collectivism around her ideology. Objectivism is an ideology and once it reached the point of being accepted by a small mass of people it becomes a collective.

hehe She came out of Marxist Russia, yes? They spun socialism on its ear with Communism. So she responds by spinning capitalism on its ear with Objectivism. Equally evil.

158 Lidane  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:44:49am

re: #152 marjoriemoon

I put my money on the idea that this is a farce. a scheme to get his name in the papers, up his ratings and get folks to watch his fucked up show. He ain't gonna run for anything.

I've been going with the idea that it's all a publicity stunt for a while. He can't possibly think he could win, or even be taken seriously as a candidate, despite all the pandering to the birther idiots. It's all a ratings push, but unfortunately, it's effective.

159 HappyWarrior  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:46:30am

re: #156 jaunte

It may be an alternate form of saying "I didn't come from no monkey"
[Link: www.livescience.com...]

And the chimps again prove why I am happy to be cousins with them.

160 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:47:21am

re: #158 Lidane

I've been going with the idea that it's all a publicity stunt for a while. He can't possibly think he could win, or even be taken seriously as a candidate, despite all the pandering to the birther idiots. It's all a ratings push, but unfortunately, it's effective.

Agreed. I don't think he actually wants to be president. It's far too much work for not enough money.

161 allegro  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:48:14am

re: #158 Lidane

It's all a ratings push, but unfortunately, it's effective.

I agree with all of this except for the "unfortunately" part. I think it's fortunate as hell. It's like a masterful piece of performance art that is shining a bright light on the ridiculousness of the ODS conspiracy theorists and racists. Brilliant really. Assuming that's it's intent. If it isn't, it's still kinda wonderful.

162 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:49:38am

re: #157 marjoriemoon

hehe She came out of Marxist Russia, yes? They spun socialism on its ear with Communism. So she responds by spinning capitalism on its ear with Objectivism. Equally evil.

Yep. There was a strong tone of authoritarianism to her words. Which remains to this day. "You will accept Objectivism because it is the ultimate political philosophy as deemed by the highly educated leaders of our Objectivist cult." There is nothing passive about this. When someone tells you "health care is not a right" they're imposing their authority over you.

163 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:49:45am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Heh. Here's an evolutionary experiment on altruists/egoists that may be Trump-related:

A roaming egoist can be thought of as a con man, suggests Leda Cosmides, who uses evolutionary biology to study social interactions and the structure of the human mind at the University of California, Santa Barbara.

A con man arrives in a small town where the residents trust and cooperate with each other. He can get away with fleecing the townspeople for only so long; once everyone gets wise, he has to move on. "Good exploiters keep on the move," says Cosmides, "like keeping ahead of your creditors."
[Link: www.nature.com...]

164 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:50:08am

Drops a small land mine and awaits. Bwahahahaha!

165 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:50:25am

Wow. If the forecast is to be believe we're in for a few dry days this week and might even see a little sunlight. I've been keeping any eye of the slug population this year and it seems really low. I put out some plants yesterday expecting them to be eaten to the ground by morning. not only are they still there they have no slug damage at all. The frogs have been doing their job very very well! Hooray!

166 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:54:09am

re: #161 allegro

I agree with all of this except for the "unfortunately" part. I think it's fortunate as hell. It's like a masterful piece of performance art that is shining a bright light on the ridiculousness of the ODS conspiracy theorists and racists. Brilliant really. Assuming that's it's intent. If it isn't, it's still kinda wonderful.

Makes ya kinda have to laugh at those who are voting him #1 GOP candidate while he laughs all the way to the bank. Trump is contemptible.

Trump didn't invent any special alloy to make his millions, he just plays on people's emotions and ideologies, but I think Rand would have been proud of him anyway.

So he made a speech last week saying "Obama will go down as the U.S.'s worst president." And meanwhile, he said the exact same thing about Bush.

167 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:54:18am

William Gibson tweets:


A Higgs Boson walks into a church and the priest says "you can't be in here". The Higg Boson says "but without me how will you have mass?"
168 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 8:55:23am

re: #167 jaunte

lol

169 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:00:00am

re: #166 marjoriemoon

Makes ya kinda have to laugh at those who are voting him #1 GOP candidate while he laughs all the way to the bank. Trump is contemptible.

Trump didn't invent any special alloy to make his millions, he just plays on people's emotions and ideologies, but I think Rand would have been proud of him anyway.

So he made a speech last week saying "Obama will go down as the U.S.'s worst president." And meanwhile, he said the exact same thing about Bush.

Think about what it says about the American people. How easily manipulated they are. All you need is a great deal of wealth and you can influence the American psyche and body politic. You don't even have to win an election to influence people. Trump may not go any further but his influence is already being felt by American society. PT Barnum comes to mind.

The snake oil salesman is alive and well. In fact, he's gotten even stronger since the 1980s thanks to the abject glorification of those that attain riches.

170 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:02:25am

re: #167 jaunte

Werner Heisenberg is pulled over for speeding. The cop comes to the window and says, "Sir, do you have any idea how fast you were going?" Heisenberg replies, "No, but I know exactly where I am."

Image: I1B3U.jpg

171 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:04:27am

re: #169 Gus 802

Think about what it says about the American people. How easily manipulated they are. All you need is a great deal of wealth and you can influence the American psyche and body politic. You don't even have to win an election to influence people. Trump may not go any further but his influence is already being felt by American society. PT Barnum comes to mind.

The snake oil salesman is alive and well. In fact, he's gotten even stronger since the 1980s thanks to the abject glorification of those that attain riches.

I really hate to have to upding you for that ;)

172 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:05:44am

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

You talked to Rand?

Paul?
McNally??
Corporation???

173 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:07:25am

re: #171 marjoriemoon

I really hate to have to upding you for that ;)

Riiight. :) Think about it too. Beside Ralph Nader who else has run as the outsider for the American presidency and made any waves? The answer is Steve Forbes, and Ross Perot. Now, combine those names with Donald Trump. Forbes, Trump and Perot. Welcome to the billionaires club.

174 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:08:01am

As Americans, we are all equal.

//

175 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:08:46am

re: #173 Gus 802

Now, combine those names

NadarForbesTrumpPerot.

Doesn't zaccly roll off the tongue!

176 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:10:32am

re: #175 sattv4u2


Now, combine those names

NadarForbesTrumpPerot.

Doesn't zaccly roll off the tongue!

It's like a law firm.

We could just call it Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.

177 jamesfirecat  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:10:50am

re: #175 sattv4u2


Now, combine those names

NadarForbesTrumpPerot.

Doesn't zaccly roll off the tongue!

Thundercougarfalconbird!

178 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:11:20am

re: #177 jamesfirecat

Thundercougarfalconbird!

Corporalcaptain!

/M.A.S.H.

179 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:11:44am

re: #176 Gus 802

It's like a law firm.

We could just call it Dewey, Cheatem & Howe.

[Link: www.oddee.com...]

180 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:15:16am

Not to change the subject, but they were talking about Mubarak on This Week earlier.

When I heard of his heart attack last week, I couldn't help but think of Fred Sanford,

'Elizabeth! I'm coming to join ya honey! With $40 billion in unmarked bills in my suitcase!"

181 sattv4u2  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:15:19am

And on that note, shower and errands time

182 calochortus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:15:22am

re: #133 sattv4u2

:(
Sad day

Looks as if the (small) family of deer that took up residence at the far edge of my property have gone on to greener pastures

I have been feeding them for over a year now and had left a bag of corn out there last week (as I've been doing) and when I went out there today it was mostly untouched

That, and I haven't seen them sniffing around the fence, which we usually do

Where do you live? I can crate a few deer up and ship them to you. We have more than enough here...

183 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:16:08am
184 calochortus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:17:52am

re: #183 Gus 802

re: #183 Gus 802

Lets the evil spirits out. You have something against prehistoric health care practices?

185 What, me worry?  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:18:48am

re: #183 Gus 802

WTF?

That's been around a very long time. I first heard about it in the 80s. (creepy weird stuff)

186 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:19:09am

re: #184 calochortus

re: #183 Gus 802

Lets the evil spirits out. You have something against prehistoric health care practices?

Yep. I do. ;)

187 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:19:44am

re: #185 marjoriemoon

That's been around a very long time. I first heard about it in the 80s. (creepy weird stuff)

It's a fetish now.

188 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:20:16am

re: #183 Gus 802
I just lost my appetite.

189 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:21:27am

re: #188 PhillyPretzel

I just lost my appetite.

Think of it as riding the bus in a large city.

//

190 reine.de.tout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:22:38am

re: #183 Gus 802

WTF?

ooh, ick!
I can't imagine doing that on purpose for no good medical reason other than to have a hole in the head, which is what this is.
Though my daughter, in 3rd grade, had a growth in her skull bone that created just such a hole; no break in the skin, though.

191 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:24:29am

re: #189 Gus 802
::: looking for "barf" bag :::

192 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:25:33am

re: #191 PhillyPretzel

::: looking for "barf" bag :::

Coming up next! Subdermal implants and the drunkards that get them.

193 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:26:32am

Zappa marathon starting right now at [Link: stream.wusb.stonybrook.edu:8090...]

194 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:26:53am

re: #192 Gus 802
Uck.

195 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:27:24am

re: #194 PhillyPretzel

Uck.

Subdermal implants won't make you a Romulan. It'll just make you a stupid human with subdermal implants.

//

196 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:28:55am

re: #195 Gus 802

I am not interested in tatoos. Although a good dose of the Honorverse might make me feel better.

197 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:31:31am

re: #196 PhillyPretzel

I am not interested in tatoos. Although a good dose of the Honorverse might make me feel better.

I was never interested in the "bar fly" scene which is what this is a subset of. I find model airplanes more interesting to watch.

198 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:32:48am

re: #197 Gus 802
I go to Baen's Bar to get a few sneak peaks at what the next book might have in it.

199 jaunte  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:36:25am

re: #186 Gus 802

Another brown acid casualty...

Bart Huges (b. 1934), a medical school graduate who has never practiced medicine except for a bit of self-surgery, believes that trepanation is the way to higher consciousness. He says that he wanted to be a psychiatrist but failed the obstetrics exam and so never went into practice. In 1965, after years of experimentation with LSD, cannabis, and other drugs, Dr. Huges realized that the way to enlightenment was by boring a hole in his skull.
[Link: www.skepdic.com...]
200 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:36:36am

re: #198 PhillyPretzel

I go to Baen's Bar to get a few sneak peaks at what the next book might have in it.

My new neighbor is a drunkard. The ones before that were drunkards. And the one before that were also drunkards. Don't know what the first was and he was some Goth type guy. Hard to tell with him. Most middle of the road people are drunkards in America with jocks being the worst.

201 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:37:01am

re: #199 jaunte

Another brown acid casualty...

Surprise!

202 prairiefire  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:42:14am

re: #185 marjoriemoon

That's been around a very long time. I first heard about it in the 80s. (creepy weird stuff)

Yeah, I think I read an article about it Vanity Fair. A lady was taking a corkscrew to her skull. Nutty!

203 Interesting Times  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:45:09am

re: #183 Gus 802

WTF?

I need that procedure like I need a hole in the head.

/wait, what?

204 calochortus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:47:32am

re: #202 prairiefire

Ewwwwww.

205 treasured people  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:48:45am

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Reagrdless of your feelings about Trump, the story of his daughter's conversion to Orthodox Judaism is quite remarkable.

206 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 9:52:37am

Cripes. I can't stand stupid "words of wisdom" chain emails. The ones that tell you to send it to 10 other friends and "you will be rewards with blah, blah, blah". Got one yesterday from of all people, my sister. And there it was in my inbox with a ton of email addresses from people I don't even know.

207 calochortus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:00:19am

Unless someone has a way to work in the yard and keep up with things online at the same time, I'll have to leave you for a while.

BBL

208 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:02:47am

Have I ever mentioned that I think Thunderf00t is a douche bag?

209 treasured people  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:08:36am

re: #204 calochortus

Calochortus, are you familiar, by any chance, with Iris douglasiana, another bulb native to Pacific Coast?

210 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:14:22am

Ha! Just went through 20 links at the New York Times and reached my limit. So, I deleted my cookies and voila! I can start all over again. If they ever end up using IP addresses all I can say is bye bye New York Times.

211 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:15:15am

re: #209 treasured people

Calochortus, are you familiar, by any chance, with Iris douglasiana, another bulb native to Pacific Coast?

I'm not really a flower guy and I'm not familiar with that variety but I have had iris before. They're ok if you like them but the flowering period is usually fairly short and the rest of the year they just take up space. They can also spread fairly aggressively if you don't keep on top of them.

212 Killgore Trout  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:16:05am

re: #210 Gus 802

Ha! Just went through 20 links at the New York Times and reached my limit. So, I deleted my cookies and voila! I can start all over again. If they ever end up using IP addresses all I can say is bye bye New York Times.

In that case you can just restart you router and I think your IP changes.

213 Gus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:16:58am

re: #212 Killgore Trout

In that case you can just restart you router and I think your IP changes.

Yeah. But only if you have a floating IP as opposed to a static IP.

214 b_Snark  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:32:40am

re: #213 Gus 802

Yeah. But only if you have a floating IP as opposed to a static IP.

Even dynamic IPs have life spans. It depends on how the ISP has set up assignation. I they set it for a week, resetting your router just gets you the same one.

On the topic of boring holes, and I'm not talking about Limbaugh, I love puncturing holes in my skin. As we speak, I'm shoving a pointed 10"x1/2" galvanized bolt through my neck to go with the two headless temple bolts I already have.

215 treasured people  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:50:56am

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Well, in rainfall fickle places like Israel, drought tolerant toughies like Iris are a blessing, even when they do run rampant. Some of them are real beauties, earning them the moniker "orchids of the backyard."

216 calochortus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 10:56:46am

re: #209 treasured people

Calochortus, are you familiar, by any chance, with Iris douglasiana, another bulb native to Pacific Coast?

You're probably long gone, but yes, we do have a couple of Iris douglasiana in our yard. Who knows where they came from-we certainly didn't plant them, but are perfectly happy to have them there.

217 treasured people  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 11:12:37am

re: #216 calochortus

Bulb plants are amazing packages of annual/perennial beauty. In warm, sub-tropical climates (e.g. southern California, Israel) you can design a garden exclusively with bulb-type plants and get flowers year around, all of which not only provide beauty outdoors but stand up woonderfully as cut flowers, typically for more than a week, indoors as well.
Here's a weedy favorite of mine known as Peruvian lily (Alstroemeria).

218 calochortus  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 11:29:29am

re: #217 treasured people

That's all over my yard-but I did plant it, unlike the iris.

219 treasured people  Sun, Apr 17, 2011 12:31:22pm

Yes, iris usually comes with the yard. It just never dies.


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