Looks like a Pixar film.

Grommhfx!

The Killers - All These Things That I've Done

I'm used to people being angry at atheism. I don't demand any special rights.

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Looks like a Pixar film.

Aye, which says more about the advances of computer technology in recent years than anything else. Still boggles my mind to think that, just 20 years ago, making the T-1000 look real was cutting edge SFX.

re: #4 Gus

Well, you got a pencil, what else do you need?

re: #6 jaunte

Well, you got a pencil, what else do you need?

I know. Just wondering when I need to kill people in the name of atheism.

New video card up and running, XCOM prepurchased, game on Sunday.

re: #7 Gus

I know. Just wondering when I need to kill people in the name of atheism.

Soon...Very soon...

re: #8 Kragar

New video card up and running, XCOM prepurchased, game on Sunday.

Did your computer ask to play a nice game of chess?

//

re: #9 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Soon...Very soon...

That's one of the cool parts about being an atheist. I'm used to being ridiculed by people that believe in ghosts. I laugh. I also don't ask for special rights like religious people are always demanding.

Well Lizards..My knee is much better and done taking painkillers.
I have an issue with Charles :)
Ok.. A few days ago I saw a vid of Charles playing some Funk With George Duke...Now I have always been an average player but I know my way around an axe. I can play some funk and rock.. ( Some here have my CD so I'm not just talking shit ) Back in the Funk days everybody played this 9th fricking chord structure I don't know what it's called in music terms..I can play me some funk.
Here is what really pissed me off...George wants to play a little funk and Charles does this little 9th thing chop and he BENDS ALL THE STRINGS AT ONCE in a little fucky pattern. Charles! You can't fucking do that! Sure.. You are jamming with one of the greatest musicians of all time.. BUT YOU CAN'T DO THAT! Mad skills!
I see that shit and I know I really suck as a guitarist...
Damn Charles.. So where are all the links of you playing music?

re: #10 Targetpractice

Did your computer ask to play a nice game of chess?

//

It knows better than that.

re: #13 Kragar

It knows better than that.

I played a couple rounds of DEFCON with my computer awhile back. It told the only winning move was not to play.

re: #14 Targetpractice

I played a couple rounds of DEFCON with my computer awhile back. It told the only winning move was not to play.

Lies!!!

re: #15 Kragar

Lies!!!

Well, I have to give it to the computer. I mean, when a game's tagline is "Everybody Dies," it's hard to "win."

Romney says U.S. seems "at the mercy of events" in world

"As we watch the world today, sometimes it seems that we're at the mercy of events, instead of shaping events," he said in Fairfax, a suburb of Washington.

"Yeah! That darn Obama can't magically control all the events that happen on the planet! He has no business being President!"

What a joke.

re: #11 Gus

That's one of the cool parts about being an atheist. I'm used to being ridiculed by people that believe in ghosts. I laugh. I also don't ask for special rights like religious people are always demanding.

Yeah. I feel you.
I think religious people suffer from cognitive dissonance. But that's only part of it. Most uber-religious people I know replaced some traditional vice with religion as their new drug of choice.
Makes them crazy in the end.

I'm not exactly an Atheist, but I don't worship a deity.

Ick. Romney camp, you're not going to successfully politically exploit this poor guy's death. Stop digging and let him rest in peace:

Romney camp tells WashPost that Obama steering "amateur hour" foreign policy; suggests ambassador would not have been killed under Romney

— Peter Hamby (@PeterHambyCNN) September 14, 2012

re: #18 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I worship a deity and have had a clash with the right leaning Christians and my lefty roots for 30 years.
I'm afraid it has made me more insular in my faith. Crazy nut bars.

re: #16 Targetpractice

Well, I have to give it to the computer. I mean, when a game's tagline is "Everybody Dies," it's hard to "win."

Everybody dies, but you can always lose on your own terms.

re: #17 JamesWI

Romney says U.S. seems "at the mercy of events" in world

What a joke.

That's alright, one of his foreign policy advisers had the balls to say the attacks wouldn't have happened under a Romney presidency.

Ballz !!!
Well, it feels like I'm developing my annual sinus infection.
Off to bed, sweet dreams y'all.

re: #22 Targetpractice

That's alright, one of his foreign policy advisers had the balls to say the attacks wouldn't have happened under a Romney presidency.

Of course not, we would be engaged in a war with all of them, so an embassy attack would be out of the question.

re: #20 prairiefire

I worship a deity and have had a clash with the right leaning Christians and my lefty roots for 30 years.
I'm afraid it has made me more insular in my faith. Crazy nut bars.

Understandable.
They ruin it for everybody, don't they?

Heard this in the car coming over Devil's Slide on the way home...scared my wife a bit because one must follow directions when this song is on, and with a 400 foot vertical cliff down to the ocean, it's also a good idea to keep both hands on the wheel.

re: #24 Kragar

Of course not, we would be engaged in a war with all of them, so an embassy attack would be out of the question.

Yeah, that was my thought as well, President Romney would have jumped on the chance to get us involved in wars with both countries, if not others.

Seriously, this man does not know when to stop digging. Wingnuts have tried to portray this election as Carter/Reagan, but that's bullshit. Reagan had the decency to let politics stop at the water's edge and publicly voiced support for whatever decisions Carter made to address the hostage crisis. Romney's a rank amateur who's trying to make for lack of experience with sheer bravado.

Awesome fuckin' song though, eh?

re: #17 JamesWI

That pretty clearly illustrates the essential insecurity to which Romney is marketing. He's playing on the fantasy that the US ought to control the world - yes, control - which is opposite of reality, where there are bigger influences and smaller influences but no one really is in control.

re: #17 JamesWI

Romney says U.S. seems "at the mercy of events" in world

Events, how do they work?

US population : 310 MIllion
Rest of World: 7 Billion

'k, thanks for playing!

Being a mega-rich vulture capitalist who only ever negotiated from a position of strength with cash desperate clients is poor training for the office of the Presidency. All those bobble heads saying yes sir, thats a great idea sir, have given Mitt a false sense of being enlightened and well liked. Truth is, no one likes the plastic man. His supporters only latched on to him because they hate the other guy more.

re: #30 dragonath

Yeah, the idea that 4.5% of the world's population ought to be in control of, and richer than, and superior to, and ahead of, the other 95.5% is the definition of hubris.

re: #19 simoom

Ick. Romney camp, you're not going to successfully politically exploit this poor guy's death. Stop digging and let him rest in peace:

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Hey, waddya expect from an amateur hour team that lied so baldly and poorly.

Even the rankest newbie from a fourth rate power of a country could out maneuver the Romney team

re: #29 freetoken

That pretty clearly illustrates the essential insecurity to which Romney is marketing. He's playing on the fantasy that the US ought to control the world - yes, control - which is opposite of reality, where there are bigger influences and smaller influences but no one really is in control.

It's a might like the belief that the US, which controls something like 10% of the world's oil output, could bring down world oil prices significantly just by increasing oil production. That countries with far vaster reserves and larger chunks of global oil production, making good money on higher prices, would not take steps to ensure prices remain high.

re: #32 freetoken

Yeah, the idea that 4.5% of the world's population ought to be in control of, and richer than, and superior to, and ahead of, the other 95.5% is the definition of hubris.

Why do you hate America?

re: #33 gwangung

Hey, waddya expect from an amateur hour team that lied so baldly and poorly.

Even the rankest newbie from a fourth rate power of a country could out maneuver the Romney team

Thing is, his foreign policy advisers, at least the one's I've seen mentioned in the press, aren't amateurs. They're Bush retreads mostly, "peace through force" dipshits who think that blowing up countries is the way the US wins hearts and minds.

New NBC/WSJ/Marist state polls out tonight (Nate Silver says they tend to lean Dem by about 1 point):

Obama is up 50-43 in Ohio, 49-44 in Florida, 49-44 in Virginia.

A friend of mine posted this on facebook from his flight home from NYC. Fucking priceless exchange. Woman eventually gets upgraded from business class to first while the guy gets tossed a napkin and told not to complain.

Image: fb_win.png

Suggesting the death would not have happened under a Romney presidency is just digging the hole even deeper imo. Then again that must be part of #Romneystrength

re: #39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Suggesting the death would not have happened under a Romney presidency is just digging the hole even deeper imo. Then again that must be part of #Romneystrength

Romneystrength is pretty fucking hilarious.

If only Lance Armstrong had used #Romneystrength instead...

— Allen Fire (@Allenfire) September 14, 2012

re: #40 darthstar

Yeah, i've been posting some good ones and loving the others.

re: #37 JamesWI

More bad news for Romney from those polls:

In Virginia: Among Obama’s supporters likely to cast a ballot, 87% think they will not waver. This compares with 80% of Romney’s backers who say they strongly support Romney.

In Ohio: 84% of likely voters who support the president are strongly committed to him. This compares with 82% of Romney’s backers who express a similar level of support.

In Florida: 86% of President Obama’s backers report they are firmly in his camp while 83% of Romney’s supporters say the same.
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So, not only is Obama opening up a big lead in the states that would clinch the election (and Romney needs to win all 3 to even have a chance), but he also has the lead in the voters who say they won't change their mind between now and November.

[Link: mobile.twitter.com...]

Romneystrength keeps pet carriers firmly attached to the roof of your car.

There will be no terrorist attacks on American diplomatic targets abroad when I'm president is not a particularly keepable commitment.

— AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) September 14, 2012

Romneystrength effectively conceals tax returns after 2 years

[Link: www.twitter.com...]

Romneystrength gets rid of pesky jobs and ships them to China

In Ohio: 51% of likely voters have a favorable opinion of President Obama. 44% perceive him unfavorably, and 5% are unsure.

50% view Romney unfavorably. However, 40% think well of him. Nine percent are unsure.

In Florida: 51% view President Obama favorably. 46%, however, have an unfavorable impression of the president, and 3% are unsure.

47% have a favorable impression of Romney, compared with 45% who perceive him less favorably. Eight percent are unsure.

In Virginia: 53% of likely voters have a positive impression of the president. 43% have an unfavorable one, and 4% are unsure.

Regarding Romney, 46% of likely voters perceive him favorably while 45% do not. Nine percent are unsure.

Not working so well posting tweets frm my phone lol.

Besides being more calm and knowledgable in crisis, doncha think the bad guys know Ninja Badass Obama is the one who hunts their kind down?

— Bill Maher (@billmaher) September 13, 2012

Goodnight, all.

Obama has a track record of eliminating threats to the US

Romney has a track record of sending jobs to them.

re: #53 Kragar

That wins the internets i think

!שנה טובה

I'll probably be off-line 'til after Simchat Torah. Have a great New Year, one and all.

re: #55 ReamWorks SKG

!שנה טובה

I'll probably be off-line 'til after Simchat Torah. Have a great New Year, one and all.

Happy New Year

Wow...i was just the target of an attempted insult from jennifer rubin...damn i feel special.

ABC has put the pilot for their new show, "Last Resort", online for those who can't wait until the 27th (or who welcome the chance to watch without commercials):

[Link: tv.yahoo.com...]

Andre Braugher is captain of a nuclear sub who refuses an illegal order, the US government tries to kill his sub and everyone on it, conspiracies and action and war and and and... Tom Clancy-ish with 24-style inside-our-govt villains, looks pretty awesome. Writer/producer is Shawn Ryan ("The Shield")

NBC's "Revolution" is also online early, but there's as many commercials on the network website as there'd be watching it on broadcast.
[Link: www.nbc.com...]

re: #58 sagehen

ABC has put the pilot for their new show, "Last Resort", online for those who can't wait until the 27th (or who welcome the chance to watch without commercials):

[Link: tv.yahoo.com...]

Andre Braugher is captain of a nuclear sub who refuses an illegal order, the US government tries to kill his sub and everyone on it, conspiracies and action and war and and and... Tom Clancy-ish with 24-style inside-our-govt villains, looks pretty awesome. Writer/producer is Shawn Ryan ("The Shield")

NBC's "Revolution" is also online early, but there's as many commercials on the network website as there'd be watching it on broadcast.
[Link: www.nbc.com...]

I can't wait to see it!
one issue that bugs me..The sub threatens to fire it's missiles to protect itself.. One little plot issue...
No Fire control computer will ever allow you to launch a Nuke against US territory. You can't over ride it period...Fucking period...I sleep well at night knowing a spurred ex can't blow up NYC cause she is sleeping with his best friend. But..Looks like a great show

re: #58 sagehen

ABC has put the pilot for their new show, "Last Resort", online for those who can't wait until the 27th (or who welcome the chance to watch without commercials):

[Link: tv.yahoo.com...]

Andre Braugher is captain of a nuclear sub who refuses an illegal order, the US government tries to kill his sub and everyone on it, conspiracies and action and war and and and... Tom Clancy-ish with 24-style inside-our-govt villains, looks pretty awesome. Writer/producer is Shawn Ryan ("The Shield")

NBC's "Revolution" is also online early, but there's as many commercials on the network website as there'd be watching it on broadcast.
[Link: www.nbc.com...]

Just finished watching the first season of "Revenge" on Netflix. I liked it.

re: #59 Digital Display

I can't wait to see it!
one issue that bugs me..The sub threatens to fire it's missiles to protect itself.. One little plot issue...
No Fire control computer will ever allow you to launch a Nuke against US territory. You can't over ride it period...Fucking period...I sleep well at night knowing a spurred ex can't blow up NYC cause she is sleeping with his best friend. But..Looks like a great show

(Kobayashi Maru)

spoiler hint... what's the offshore territorial limit?

Our America, Sept 13, 2012:

Dr Pepper Facebook Ad Ignites Evolution Debate

Dr Pepper set off a heated debate over evolution on Thursday after posting an advertisement to its Facebook page, which showed an ape evolving into a man thanks to the discovery of a can of Dr Pepper.

“My ancestors were created in the Garden of Eden,” one user posted in response to the advertisement. “I ain’t no freaking chimp. No more Dr Pepper for my household. God Bless y’all,” Another complained: “this is showing the theory of men evolving from apes. I have lost all respect for Dr Pepper and if Dr Pepper wants business from thousands of people they will need to apologize.” (Spellings have been corrected throughout.)

Others shot back, including a couple of commenters who posted, “The day your faith gets shaken by a Dr Pepper ad is the day you should probably start reconsidering your faith.”

Since the post went up three hours ago, it has been liked more than 15,000 times and received more than 1,100 comments. The post has also been picked up in an atheism forum on Reddit, which has only fueled the Facebook debate even more.

[...]

re: #62 freetoken

Our America, Sept 13, 2012:

Dr Pepper Facebook Ad Ignites Evolution Debate

People who don't believe in evolution should go live naked in the wilderness as God intended them to.

I still haven't forgiven Dr Pepper for discontinuing the Cherry Vanilla and Berries & Cream flavors. (not that I don't drink the remaining flavors, but... I haven't forgiven them. I really liked that berries & cream, dammit)

Why do so many people lack the faith in God that they think he has to resort to magic over a few thousand years instead of using observable scientific phenomenon over a period of billions of years?

re: #65 Kragar

Study is hard.

Because some people think "in god's image" means he's a petty little egotist of limited imagination, just like them.

The god I believe in wrote the laws of physics, the laws of chemistry, whatever other immutable universal laws there may be, and then set in a motion a process adherent to those laws that took billions of years to eventually lead to humanity with the intellectual capacity to discover and describe those laws.

A god who kind of likes it that resulting intellectual capacity, and technological capability, means we're now his partners in the ongoing process of creation. (though he's puzzled why we'd chose to guide creation towards a planet with no coral reefs, dead zones in the ocean, more volatile weather and no temperate latitudes. But then, there's no accounting for taste, and if that's what we want he won't stop us.)

re: #66 researchok

Study is hard.

They can be as pig headed ignorant as they want, but when they decide they want special treatment because they're ignorant fucks, they can take a bag of dicks, mix in some balls and assholes and enjoy some crotch trail mix as they fuck right off.

re: #65 Kragar

Why do so many people lack the faith in God that they think he has to resort to magic over a few thousand years instead of using observable scientific phenomenon over a period of billions of years?

well i certainly think the complex mechanism of evolution operating over hundreds of millions of years makes a much more impressive dramatic effect than magic tricks with mud and ribs

re: #68 Kragar

No argument.

And for the record, I am a believer.

Reality and faith are not mutually exclusive.

re: #70 researchok

No argument.

And for the record, I am a believer.

Reality and faith are not mutually exclusive.

I believe in God.

I don't believe in the bronze age tripe that passes as "devout" religious belief nowadays.

re: #71 Kragar

Great minds and all that.

as an atheist, the universe makes more sense to me with its indifference and cruelty undesigned and unintended, than with an intelligent and moral god who would unexplicably inflict it on us

yet even so, the beauty, and, especially, the kindness, that does happen is all the more amazing to me because of these wonderful brave gestures that are defiantly flung in the face of the howling void

re: #73 engineer cat

I try to never ascribe human emotions or frames of reference to God. He does work in mysterious ways. As sentient creatures, we should be doing our best to figure them out, not make up stories because someone could not.

re: #62 freetoken

Our America, Sept 13, 2012:

Dr Pepper Facebook Ad Ignites Evolution Debate

Dr. Pepper marketing plan:

1) Post evolution-based ad
2) Post poorly-spelled lunatic evangelical outraged reactions to said ad
3) ??? (gawker?)
4) PROFIT

re: #74 Kragar

I just don't wear my faith on my sleeve.

For me,belief is an intensely personal experience.

And I have no faith based issue with science of any kind.

re: #75 iossarian

Business does not play dice with the universe.

It is not that people are saying "I disagree with the theory of Evolution becasue", it's that people take personal affront at it and what it involves.

Dio - The Last In Line

Lol: palace reaction to Kate Middleton topless photos:

"There has been a significant hardening of William and Kate's response to the publication of the topless photos."

FNARR FNARR

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #80 iossarian

Headline writers do not play dice with the universe.

re: #81 researchok

Well, maybe they do at the beebs

re: #82 researchok

Well, maybe they do at the beebs

The hack responsible for that gem, Peter Hunt, doesn't look like the kind of guy who plays fast and loose with sexual innuendo:

Image: _53407582_hunt-analysis.jpg

On the other hand, that just enhances the effect.

Joyce Coffey Arrested 4 Times In 26 Hours For Playing AC/DC Too Loud

Authorities say a New Hampshire woman has been arrested four times in 26 hours for blasting the AC/DC song "Highway to Hell" and other loud music from her home and for throwing a frying pan.

re: #83 iossarian

He looks exactly the type.

"His neighbors said he was a quite, unassuming man..."

//

re: #80 iossarian

Lol: palace reaction to Kate Middleton topless photos:

FNARR FNARR

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Anything that requires an ultra-telephoto lens (and even at that is sort of blurry from having to be enlarged beyond the lens' capability)... there's a fair argument to be made about invasion of privacy.

Harry and the girl he invited to his room who brought her own little phone-cam... not so much.

re: #80 iossarian

Lol: palace reaction to Kate Middleton topless photos:

FNARR FNARR

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

These people are royalty. It means that their bodies and souls belong to the Empire, not to themselves. There has to be a down side to being King, or everybody would want to be one...

Off to early AM net meet

Later, all.

re: #80 iossarian

Lol: palace reaction to Kate Middleton topless photos:

FNARR FNARR

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

I think I need to see them to decide whether they are suitable for public viewing.

I have never really hated anyone (minus dictators and the such) as much as I do Michael Bloomberg. To him Freedom means whatever he and his council thinks is right. Douche.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
And good morning Honcos.

Kansas Goes Birther: State Board Considers Removing Obama From Ballot

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, an informal advisor to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, said on Thursday he and his fellow members of a state board were considering removing President Barack Obama from the Kansas ballot this November.

Kobach is part of the State Objections Board along with Attorney General Derek Schmidt and Lt. Gov. Jeff Colyer, all Republicans. The Topeka Capital-Journal reported that on Thursday the board agreed consider whether to take Obama off the ballot because they said they lacked sufficient evidence about his birth certificate.

“I don’t think it’s a frivolous objection,” Kobach said, according to the Capital-Journal. “I do think the factual record could be supplemented.”

Eat shit, Kobach.

re: #91 Kragar

Kansas Goes Birther: State Board Considers Removing Obama From Ballot

Eat shit, Kobach.

They must have the last word on this, and they will, regardless of how Neanderthal it makes them appear.

re: #84 Kragar

Joyce Coffey Arrested 4 Times In 26 Hours For Playing AC/DC Too Loud

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and for throwing a frying pan.

It's nice that she's staying with the heavy metal theme.

re: #91 Kragar

Kansas Goes Birther: State Board Considers Removing Obama From Ballot

Eat shit, Kobach.

Makes no electoral difference, so I hope he keeps it up. Nate Silver puts Kansas in the R column by 99.7%.

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Makes no electoral difference, so I hope he keeps it up. Nate Silver puts Kansas in the R column by 99.7%.

Fucks up the popular vote count though. The goal is to delegitimize any Obama win by denying him as many votes as possible. If he wins the EC but loses the popular count the wingnuts will go apeshit, real violence could ensue.

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

Fucks up the popular vote count though. The goal is to delegitimize any Obama win by denying him as many votes as possible. If he wins the EC but loses the popular count the wingnuts will go apeshit, real violence could ensue.

It's so deliciously totalitarian: employ legal chicanery to prevent undesirable candidates from appearing on the ballot, thus apparently delegitimizing their support.

"Communist party re-elected with 99% of vote"

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

Fucks up the popular vote count though. The goal is to delegitimize any Obama win by denying him as many votes as possible. If he wins the EC but loses the popular count the wingnuts will go apeshit, real violence could ensue.

Wingnuts gonna do what wingnuts gonna do. Perhaps removing 45% of Kansans from the national election will make a few of them wonder What's Wrong With Kansas.

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

Fucks up the popular vote count though. The goal is to delegitimize any Obama win by denying him as many votes as possible. If he wins the EC but loses the popular count the wingnuts will go apeshit, real violence could ensue.

Just like it did in 1980 when Bush won while losing the popular vote, right?

States that give Obama less than 1% chance (per NS).

Idaho
Wyoming
Utah
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Arkansas
Louisiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
Mississippi
Alabama

Any, perhaps all, of these states could secede (again) and not change the outcome.

re: #99 Decatur Deb

States that give Obama less than 1% chance (per NS).

Any, perhaps all, of these states could secede (again) and not change the outcome.

Outcome: not changed.

National deficit: changed.

re: #100 iossarian

Outcome: not changed.

National deficit: changed.

Any conservative Yankee who is fanatical about lower taxes should be fighting to eject most of that list.

re: #99 Decatur Deb

States that give Obama less than 1% chance (per NS).

Idaho
Wyoming
Utah
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Arkansas
Louisiana
Kentucky
Tennessee
Mississippi
Alabama

Any, perhaps all, of these states could secede (again) and not change the outcome.

Texas is probably the only one of those states that's likely to turn purple in the not too distant future. It's already a minority-majority state and its white population continues to shrink in comparative terms. Furthermore, it's got Dem strongholds like Austin, San Antonio and the rural communities of south Texas.

The other states are smaller and less urbanized than TX, and have more monolithically conservative political cultures. So they are all likely to stay deep red for many years to come. Even TX will take a while though--they just re-re-elected Gov Perry in 2010. He's now served longer as TX Gov than FDR did as President. Ugh, I weep for my home state.

"We've thought about it some more Kansas, and you're really not ready for statehood. Puerto Rico, we've got an opening."

RT @ctliberalmom: John Kasich at Romney Event: Our Wives Aren't Here Because "They're at Home Doing the Laundry," "T.. bit.ly/OkOSp9

— Sandra F. Woodward (@KySandy) September 14, 2012

re: #103 Decatur Deb

"We've thought about it some more Kansas, and you're really not ready for statehood. Puerto Rico, we've got an opening."

HR. 2499.

NSF people offended by Moses and Jesus getting masturbated by Ganesha while he fists Buddha.
[Link: www.theonion.com...]

so I thought I was working to work Saturday. Well I am doing a friend a favor. I have no idea who. BUT, he is an assistant to a congresscritter.

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

so I thought I was working to work Saturday. Well I am doing a friend a favor. I have no idea who. BUT, he is an assistant to a congresscritter.

Does it involve a shovel and a couple bags of gypsum?

re: #109 darthstar

Does it involve a shovel and a couple bags of gypsum?

not as far as I know. But then again I have planted more pineapple plants than I wish too////
And banana trees

re: #110 Cannadian Club Akbar

not as far as I know. But then again I have planted more pineapple plants than I wish too////
And banana trees

I was thinking more along the lines of dead interns...it being time for Joe Scarborough's show and all.

Time to go back to sleep...I don't often wake up like this. Usually I'm wearing a hat.

re: #104 darthstar

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Ann Romney needs to stay home to do the laundry? And she's busy "taking care of" her adult children?

re: #112 palomino

Ann Romney needs to stay home to do the laundry? And she's busy "taking care of" her adult children?

My mom tried to do my laundry ever week. Do you have a point?

re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

My mom tried to do my laundry ever week. Do you have a point?

And, BTW, she tried to tell me, when I was 27, that I wasn't allowed to move to Miami. I moved anyway.

re: #114 Cannadian Club Akbar

And, BTW, she tried to tell me, when I was 27, that I wasn't allowed to move to Miami. I moved anyway.

No problem. The US Postal Service has a laundry mailer:

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re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

My mom tried to do my laundry ever week. Do you have a point?

Yeah: Ann Romney probably isn't at home doing the laundry and taking care of the children.

re: #115 Decatur Deb

No problem. The US Postal Service has a laundry mailer:

Image: $(KGrHqZ,!hQE5ojL+dG1BOlQ7(sbKw~~60_57.JPG

Have you ever checked out Wired Magazine's "Return to Sender" competition? It's basically 'what's the weirdest thing you can slap stamps on and get the USPS to actually deliver?'.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

re: #116 Obdicut

Yeah: Ann Romney probably isn't at home doing the laundry and taking care of the children.

Hmm. Do you have a point, other than she didn't raise boys?

re: #116 Obdicut

Yeah: Ann Romney probably isn't at home doing the laundry and taking care of the children.

18 grandkids

my mother had only 4. She was constantly baby sitting one of our kids
18 gives lots of opportunity to "take care of the children"

re: #117 Obdicut

Have you ever checked out Wired Magazine's "Return to Sender" competition? It's basically 'what's the weirdest thing you can slap stamps on and get the USPS to actually deliver?'.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

We used the laundry mailers to smuggle things past our school's censorship--mostly newspapers and candy bars.

When I was deployed to Turkey, my wife baked a date-nut cake sized to a .50 calibre ammo can, and mailed it. The APO clerks sniffed it right through the airtight seal, and called dibs.

re: #119 sattv4u2

18 grandkids

my mother had only 4. She was constantly baby sitting one of our kids
18 gives lots of opportunity to "take care of the children"

You're missing the point!! It's, um, and uh, ....

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hmm. Do you have a point, other than she didn't raise boys?

Yeah: Kasich's statement was mind-bogglingly stupid and insulting to women.

re: #122 Obdicut

Yeah: Kasich's statement was mind-bogglingly stupid and insulting to women.

So, I am supposed to worry about Ohio politics? OMG!! I should worry about EVERY race!!!!

re: #120 Decatur Deb

The Wired contest is about doing without the packaging. For example, sending this:

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re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, I am supposed to worry about Ohio politics? OMG!! I should worry about EVERY race!!!!

Huh? What are you talking about? Who's telling you to worry?

re: #123 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, I am supposed to worry about Ohio politics? OMG!! I should worry about EVERY race!!!!

No,, just about every off the cuff statement uttered by every politician be they national, state or local if that pol leans or falls totally to the right, because, you know ,,, 'we're" all in agreement because 'we're" all the same

nudge nudge ,, wink wink ,, youknowwhatmydogwhistlemeans

re: #124 Obdicut

The Wired contest is about doing without the packaging. For example, sending this:

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Reminds me of the time Mad magazine got a subscription in an envelope with only a sticker of Alfred E. Neuman as an address.

(The ammo can was unwrapped, giving the mail clerks an opening to 'discuss' it with me.)

re: #125 Obdicut

Huh? What are you talking about? Who's telling you to worry?

You brought up Ann Romney. then you brought up Kasich.

re: #124 Obdicut

The Wired contest is about doing without the packaging. For example, sending this:

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In Israel, we were at the ass end of everybody's supply chain, so it was common for guys on temporary duty to get a shopping list from people in the office. I once mailed 4 radial tires from the Army PX in Vilseck, GE to our embassy mail room just by taping an address band around each.

outies for a bit.

re: #128 Cannadian Club Akbar

You brought up Ann Romney. then you brought up Kasich.

Actually, someone else did, and then I joined into the conversation. I'm sorry, I really have no clue what your objection to that is.

re: #129 Decatur Deb

In Israel, we were at the ass end of everybody's supply chain, so it was common for guys on temporary duty to get a shopping list from people in the office. I once mailed 4 radial tires from the Army PX in Vilseck, GE to our embassy mail room just by taping an address band around each.

Sent a whole Jeep home one piece at a time, didjya!

re: #129 Decatur Deb

The USPS is surprisingly chill in what they'll delivery. Probably livens their day up a lot.

re: #132 sattv4u2

Sent a whole Jeep home one piece at a time, didjya!

That's my dad's generation, Jeeps and 'war trophies' you couldn't get away with today. In my time, the Army PO had a lot of trouble with small munitions coming back from the Gulf/Iraq/Afghanistan.

Here's the Guardian's Middle East liveblog for anyone looking to follow the Friday protests across the region (Yemen, Egypt, Qatar, Jordan, etc.):
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

An excerpt:

Turkey's prime minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has condemned both the anti-Islamic film and the violent protests that it sparked.

The Turkish daily Hurriyet quoted him saying:

"Those who made this movie should be condemned in the harshest terms. But insulting religion cannot be an excuse to attack people."

AP said he exhorted Muslims to condemn the attack on the US consulate in Libya.

re: #113 Cannadian Club Akbar

My mom tried to do my laundry ever week. Do you have a point?

I find it hard to believe that Ann Romney needs to stay at home doing laundry. And I'm fairly sure she doesn't need to stay home to raise her adult children. So Kasich's remarks are bullshit, that's my point.

And how is your mother relevant? Was your dad running for president while she did your laundry?

re: #134 Decatur Deb

That's my dad's generation, Jeeps and 'war trophies'

You still have the Jeep your dad "bought" you !?!?!
/

re: #137 sattv4u2

That's my dad's generation, Jeeps and 'war trophies'

You still have the Jeep your dad "bought" you !?!?!
/

Nah--that's just a WWII legend. Think I have seen credible stories of hairy small-arms coming back.

(My '73 Land Rover was legally imported from a Belgian Army surplus yard--the paperwork in Flemish and Walloon has stayed with it. Gave the Alabama DMV girl a chore.)

'Airplane!' funniest movie? Shirley it's a top contender

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

re: #119 sattv4u2

18 grandkids

my mother had only 4. She was constantly baby sitting one of our kids
18 gives lots of opportunity to "take care of the children"

I have 30 grandkids. So we will be controlling the world soon (actually we already do). Bow to your Zionist overlords!

re: #139 Tommy's cone of shame

'Airplane!' funniest movie? Shirley it's a top contender

Read more: [Link: www.timesunion.com...]

I can't believe "Blazing Saddles" isn't on there.

re: #140 Sheila Brovlofski

I have 30 grandkids. So we will be controlling the world soon (actually we already do). Bow to your Zionist overlords!

me, I would insist my kids named all their kids the same name ( al a George Foreman)

Nothing would be worse than calling one of your grandkids the wrong name, and with 30 of them, i certainly would!!

re: #141 Sheila Brovlofski

The Big Lebowski isn't on there either. This 'laughs per minute' metric is weird, too.

re: #141 Sheila Brovlofski

I can't believe "Blazing Saddles" isn't on there.

Only saw two on the list. It was a painful movie, but Mad, Mad, Mad World gets it for cast and laughs/minute.

re: #143 Obdicut

The Big Lebowski isn't on there either. This 'laughs per minute' metric is weird, too.

"Blazing Saddles" "Big Lebowski" and "Life of Brian" are the top 3 of all time.

re: #141 Sheila Brovlofski

I can't believe "Blazing Saddles" isn't on there.

"funniest" is subjective. The list linked has Airplane as #1

This list [Link: www.boston.com...] has it as #6

re: #145 Sheila Brovlofski

"Blazing Saddles" "Big Lebowski" and "Life of Brian" are the top 3 of all time.

You also have to throw in (at least) one of "Trading Places" and "Coming to America".

At least one of The Marx Brothers films has to crack the top ten!

Let's see:

Bringing up Baby
His Girl Friday
Duck Soup
The Philadelphia Story
The Lady Eve

I don't think the list has anything old on it at all, really.

re: #149 Obdicut

Let's see:

Bringing up Baby
His Girl Friday
Duck Soup
The Philadelphia Story
The Lady Eve

I don't think the list has anything old on it at all, really.

Only 3 movies on the list are more than 10 years old. None are more than 30 years old. So yeah, it's a little skewed I'd say.

re: #148 sattv4u2

At least one of The Marx Brothers films has to crack the top ten!

Those lists are back-loaded to the last decade or so. Missing:

Marx Bros
Peter Sellers (esp Strangelove)
LA Story
Danny Kaye
Jerry Lewis (a few)
Elaine May
Tight Little Island
Alec Guinness
Mad, Mad World (greatest cast)

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Those lists are back-loaded to the last decade or so. Missing:

Marx Bros
Peter Sellers (esp Strangelove)
LA Story
Danny Kaye
Jerry Lewis (a few)
Elaine May
Tight Little Island
Alec Guinness
Mad, Mad World (greatest cast)

Plus Spinal Tap and most of Woody Allen's early-mid 70s films.

re: #152 palomino

Yup. Pretty much a hopeless task.

re: #142 sattv4u2

me, I would insist my kids named all their kids the same name ( al a George Foreman)

Nothing would be worse than calling one of your grandkids the wrong name, and with 30 of them, i certainly would!!

I remember all their names AND BIRTHDAYS (I have a program to track the birthdays) and yes, there are multiple names.

re: #152 palomino

And Best In Show. Man, that movie is awesome.

OMG, that list

The Producers (1968)
O Brother Where Art Thou
Freaked
Some like It Hot
The Ten Commmandments

Any one of those movies is funnier than anything on that "list", except maybe Life of Brian and Airplane.

re: #150 palomino

Only 3 movies on the list are more than 10 years old. None are more than 30 years old. So yeah, it's a little skewed I'd say.

I can't believe "Superbad" made the list. That was so lame.

re: #134 Decatur Deb

That's my dad's generation, Jeeps and 'war trophies' you couldn't get away with today. In my time, the Army PO had a lot of trouble with small munitions coming back from the Gulf/Iraq/Afghanistan.

My grandmother's brother somehow managed to get home from WWII with a Japanese rifle, a Colt "Official Police Model" revolver with a severely bent grip that he said he got off a dead Japanese soldier, a blow gun that he got from some Filipino natives, a ton of various forms of foreign currency, and probably other things that I never knew about.

He claimed that he tried to smuggle a live monkey, but got caught. No idea if that's true, but that's the story anyway.

Here is the SomethingAwful page memorializing Sean Smith.

Farewell to Vilerat

He was two years younger than me. Damn.

BBL

re: #141 Sheila Brovlofski

I can't believe "Blazing Saddles" isn't on there.

List includes "Superbad" but omits "Young Frankenstein" and "Office Space."

Politifact rating: Pants on Fire

re: #157 Sheila Brovlofski

I can't believe "Superbad" made the list. That was so lame.

I actually kinda liked Superbad, but you're right: it doesn't belong anywhere near such a list.

In the category of relatively recent gross-out films, I'd put Something About Mary and 40 Year Old Virgin way above Superbad.

Just a few more in no particular order: MASH, Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Dr. Strangelove, Monty Python Holy Grail, even Dumb and Dumber are all stronger contenders.

Good Morning,

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I wasn't, but Jay Cutler got sacked a few times. And since the Packers have locked up tonight's game, wlewskii is going to let me have it the next time he's here.

Nah, not right now DF. I'm more surprised that GB pulled it's shit together as well as it did. Pleasantly surprised, but surprised none-the-less. GB's defense is a bit of a mess to put it nicely...

re: #164 William Barnett-Lewis

Good Morning,

Nah, not right now DF. I'm more surprised that GB pulled it's shit together as well as it did. Pleasantly surprised, but surprised none-the-less. GB's defense is a bit of a mess to put it nicely...

Could be wrong, but I think last year's Packers were the first team in history to have the league's best record while giving up more total yards than they gained. They racked up a ton of interceptions to offset that somewhat, but their defense had problems clearly. Wasn't that surprised they lost early in playoffs; when D is that shaky, something has to give eventually (most of the time.)

re: #158 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

and probably other things that I never knew about.

He was given shots and meds for those!!!

//

re: #151 Decatur Deb

Those lists are back-loaded to the last decade or so. Missing:

Marx Bros
Peter Sellers (esp Strangelove)
LA Story
Danny Kaye
Jerry Lewis (a few)
Elaine May
Tight Little Island
Alec Guinness
Mad, Mad World (greatest cast)

Also missing Pete and Dud.

The Devil (Peter Cook): "Terrible sins I've got here. Must be the wages."

Three more that were better than most of the movies on that listing.
Top Secret!
The Princess Bride
Real Genius

re: #168 RadicalModerate

Three more that were better than most of the movies on that listing.
Top Secret!
The Princess Bride
Real Genius

"La Cage Aux Folles" is a movie I went to see not knowing what to expect and came out sore from laughing. Have not seen the remake.

Can it get any stupider than this? 'Crowd in Lebanon torches KFC in anger over pope visit/film.' -- jpost.com/Headlines/Arti...

— Jeffrey Goldberg (@JeffreyGoldberg) September 14, 2012

re: #170 Gus

Probably smelled great, though.

re: #170 Gus

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I never knew the Pope liked KFC. I figured he was more of an Olive Garden type!!

New Photo: KFC set on fire by islamists in Tripoli, north #Lebanon (via @adelsamia) twitter.com/adelsamia/stat...

— Jean (@jeanassy) September 14, 2012

re: #172 sattv4u2

I never knew the Pope liked KFC. I figured he was more of an Olive Garden type!!

The bozos are still at it. Must have high unemployment in these countries. A bunch of poser young men with nothing to do.

re: #171 Obdicut

Probably smelled great, though.

I'm currently living near a street that features about 10 no-brand fast food outlets in a 100-yard stretch (yes, it's near a university).

It's like a symphony of grease on Friday nights.

re: #175 iossarian

I'm currently living near a street that features about 10 no-brand fast food outlets in a 100-yard stretch (yes, it's near a university).

It's like a symphony of grease on Friday nights.

My arteries are hardening just reading that

I've got money like Charles Dickens
Got the girlies in the Coupe like the Colonel's got the chickens

re: #174 Gus

The bozos are still at it. Must have high unemployment int these countries. A bunch of poser young men with nothing to do.

Well then, that makes sense

Burn down a place that actually, you know,, hires people!!

re: #175 iossarian

I'm currently living near a street that features about 10 no-brand fast food outlets in a 100-yard stretch (yes, it's near a university).

It's like a symphony of grease on Friday nights.

I remember seeing the exhaust fan at our favorite greasy spoon diner, there was a grease waterfall dripping from it.

Poetry in motion!

"Sometimes in campaigns you can drive yourself crazy with the micro-targeting and the pollsters and the tea leaves and the pixie dust trying to twist yourself into triple back-flips to appeal to the three percent that are the undecideds that live in suburbs and have lawns that are less than 20 feet long and all that bullshit. Just tell the base why you're doing what you're doing and why you're better than the other guy."

-- Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D)

re: #178 sattv4u2

Well then, that makes sense

Burn down a place that actually, you know,, hires people!!

Would have been more peaceful to just boycott KFC. //

Irony: KFC is packed during Ramadan.

— Anis Tabet (@AnisTabet23) September 14, 2012

re: #179 Expand Your Ground

I remember seeing the exhaust fan at our favorite greasy spoon diner, there was a grease waterfall dripping from it.

Despite our warnings, a teammate of mine once went for a cheeky pee down the alley next to the Jamaican jerk chicken joint after a somewhat raucous team dinner.

He came back out with the (now empty) bucket they used to collect the stale chicken drippings in on his head.

re: #180 dragonath

Americans like to vote for people who project the image of being sincere and being guided by a set of principles. That is what won Bush the election, especially ibn 2004: even people who disagreed with him on a lot of issues preferred someone who projected the image of being consistent and predictable in his actions.

re: #173 Gus

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Good thing they did not open a Chick-Fil-A there!

DERPTY DERP FROM TEH BOSS OF DERP

ObamaCare will cut KFC profits in half. Means fewer jobs, lower wages.washingtonexaminer.com/franchisors-wa...

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 14, 2012

If wages at KFC got any lower, the workers would be paying THEM

re: #184 Expand Your Ground

Good thing they did not open a Chick-Fil-A there!

The irony would be that Islamists agree with Chick-Fil-A. D'oh!

I've been out of bed for a half hour, and already this lying SOB is on my nerves.

Romney: Obama During Debates Will ‘Say Things That Aren’t True’

How fucking dare he?

Sky Sources: Protestors now inside German Embassy in Khartoum, Sudan

— Sky News Newsdesk (@SkyNewsBreak) September 14, 2012

Oh boy RT @france24: BREAKING - SUDAN: protestors storm German, British embassies in Khartoum (AFP) f24.my/rxo4QT

— sunny hundal (@sunny_hundal) September 14, 2012

The derpishness continues.

re: #187 makeitstop

I've been out of bed for a half hour, and already this lying SOB is on my nerves.

Romney: Obama During Debates Will ‘Say Things That Aren’t True’

How fucking dare he?

"“I’ve looked at prior debates," Romney said. "And in that kind of case, it’s difficult to say, ‘Well, am I going to spend my time correcting things that aren’t quite accurate? Or am I going to spend my time talking about the things I want to talk about?'”

In other words: "I'm going to change the subject whever something uncomfortable gets brought up".

RT @simonjhanna: #BinLaden poster being carried around #tahrir now . twitpic.com/augh68 via @jenanmoussa

— Jim Roberts (@nytjim) September 14, 2012

My world view is making some adjustments.

re: #188 Gus

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NOTE TO SELF

Call my travel agent and cancel my trip to the Sudan, to Cairo, to Libya to ,,,,,,,,

Romney: "If I were Prez things would be different. Bin Laden would be alive. GM would be dead. But I lost to McCain. And he picked Palin"

— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) September 14, 2012

If you adopt a world view in which human rights one and two are:

1) The right to say anything you like, no matter if it pisses other people off

2) The right for everyone to be armed to the teeth at all times

it should hardly come as any surprise if pissed-off heavily-armed people turn up every so often at your doorstep.

re: #195 iossarian

If you adopt a world view in which human rights one and two are:

1) The right to say anything you like, no matter if it pisses other people off

2) The right for everyone to be armed to the teeth at all times

it should hardly come as any surprise if pissed-off heavily-armed people turn up every so often at your doorstep.

Actually most of the people who believe in these two inviolable Human Rights only for themselves, not for others.

re: #91 Kragar

Kansas Goes Birther: State Board Considers Removing Obama From Ballot

Eat shit, Kobach.

I hope they do, it can only help to turn sane voters away from the GOP. If I were Romney I would tell Kansas in no uncertain terms that if they do this they're practically clinching the President's reelection bid.

Oh boy. I'm out.

re: #191 Gus

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Any bets on how long until some RWNJ claims that Obama endangered national security by killing Osama bin Laden?

I wonder sometimes how accurate or skewed the news we get from the other side of the world is. Are the people in these countries fighting back against oppression and terrorism or are the oppressors and terrorists using force to stop any progress towards a form of democracy? How can we know for sure? Or is it both? I'd still like to know who fanned the flames of all this and why now?

I know shamefully little about the history and politics of Africa and the Middle East so I can't offer much to this discussion that would be constructive. I will say though that any fight against oppression and power is not going to be pretty. Our own country's early years were pretty ugly,so was our Civil War. Are there peaceful ways we can offer hope and help to those who want freedom and democracy? Is it stupid of me to expect that violence and suffering could minimized at least?

re: #191 Gus

What's sad is right next to that guy is someone holding a very reasonable sign. Sad that the guy with the reasonable sign can tolerate being in the same place as the Bin Laden guy, that is.

re: #199 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Any bets on how long until some RWNJ claims that Obama endangered national security by killing Osama bin Laden?

I don't ascribe to that, but I am somewhat surprised that the reaction to the killing wasn't sooner and more widespread

perhaps "they' were just waiting for an opportunity/ reason/ excuse and the movie opened the door

re: #200 A Mom Anon

From my indirect involvement with the developing world (mostly via people I know who work there) it really seems to me that the most you can do is attempt to do constructive stuff (education, infrastructure, development of local stability and so on) and just hope for the best in the long term. The top-down, "support the strong man" approach always seems to end the same way, with corruption and then inevitable turmoil when he is finally overthrown.

Anyway - got to go and get some work done. Laters all.

re: #199 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Any bets on how long until some RWNJ claims that Obama endangered national security by killing Osama bin Laden?

Rush already claimed that Al-Qaeda gave up Bin Laden just in order to make Obama look good.

re: #200 A Mom Anon

I wonder sometimes how accurate or skewed the news we get from the other side of the world is.

It's always skewed and inaccurate. That's the real evil of Fox and it's "fair & balanced" shtick - the only fair & balanced journalism is the stats box on the sports page.

The only thing you can do is to read as many sources, preferably primary, as possible and think it through. Unfortunately our schools are too busy having to teach our kids to the meaningless tests of "Every Child Left Behind" to have any chance of teaching them how to think or use logic in their reasoning.

re: #199 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Any bets on how long until some RWNJ claims that Obama endangered national security by killing Osama bin Laden?

They kinda hit that already, with the insipid 'Osama is alive, GM is dead' meme earlier this week, the rationale being that Osama's ideas are stronger now than they were when he was alive.

Some stupid shit flying around out there.

Holy hell, the new Cat Power album is goddamn awesome.

re: #91 Kragar

Kansas Goes Birther: State Board Considers Removing Obama From Ballot

Eat shit, Kobach.

Question: What happens if the election board in Kansas actually pulled Obama off its ballot?

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Question: What happens if the election board in Kansas actually pulled Obama off its ballot?

Well, obviously Obama can't win the election without Kansas, so...
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re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Question: What happens if the election board in Kansas actually pulled Obama off its ballot?

I don't know if write-in campaigns are allowed there, but there would certainly be a lot put in. I don't know whether the board would then reject those too.

The worst effect would be, then, not counting all the votes that Kansas citizens cast for Obama, which might bring his popular vote total down significantly. It's just Kansas, though, so it would 'only' be half a million or so votes. Obama won the popular vote by ten million last time.

The main effect it's currently having is displaying Romney's unfitness for the presidency, since it's his senior adviser who is considering this racist, contemptible, divisive action.

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Question: What happens if the election board in Kansas actually pulled Obama off its ballot?

I think this is another play for the hardcore wingnut/Fox News constituency - a voting bloc they should have had sewn up before the convention, but one that they're still trying to win over. They'll make noise about it then not actually do it.

If Kobach actually tries to go through with this, it would attract everyone's attention to the full slate of GOP insanity, in a heartbeat.

If Romney's staff has a single brain between the lot of them, they'll tell Kobach to dial it back. But there's no guarantee that they do have a brain between the lot of them.

re: #209 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Well, obviously Obama can't win the election without Kansas, so...
/

It's just that sometimes I like to "wargame" a crazy scenario out.

Just to be clear, I am certain Barack Obama is a natural-born US Citizen and to try to keep him off the ballot in any state would be the same in my eyes as Southern state refusing to allow Republican candidates onto the ballot back in the late 19th / early 20th centuries.

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

It's just that sometimes I like to "wargame" a crazy scenario out.

Just to be clear, I am certain Barack Obama is a natural-born US Citizen and to try to keep him off the ballot in any state would be the same in my eyes as Southern state refusing to allow Republican candidates onto the ballot back in the late 19th / early 20th centuries.

So what do you think about Romney, given that he made this guy who's considering it and thinks the idea has merit, his senior immigration adviser?

A commenter posted on TPM yesterday that between the states named (Kansas, Mississippi and Arizona) that this is the Koch brothers floating a trial balloon for secession.

The uproar that would ensue from this is something Team Liar won't want to get within a mile of - but since it's one of their senior advisors pushing it, it'll dirty up Romney even worse than he is now.

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

It's just that sometimes I like to "wargame" a crazy scenario out.

Just to be clear, I am certain Barack Obama is a natural-born US Citizen and to try to keep him off the ballot in any state would be the same in my eyes as Southern state refusing to allow Republican candidates onto the ballot back in the late 19th / early 20th centuries.

You could send them a sternly-worded letter.

That'll show them.

re: #215 BongCrodny

You could send them a sternly-worded letter.

That'll show them.

Who do you think you are, the UN!?!?
/

re: #214 makeitstop

A commenter posted on TPM yesterday that between the states named (Kansas, Mississippi and Arizona) that this is the Koch brothers floating a trial balloon for secession.

Yeah, cause that worked out so great the last time.//

re: #215 BongCrodny

You could send them a sternly-worded letter.

That'll show them.

You could send them the 82nd Airborne.

re: #214 makeitstop

The actual math on secession just doesn't work-- hell, it didn't work back in the civil war days, but especially not now. Those states depend on the Federal government funding them. If Kansas seceded, it'd become a largely agrarian state having to trade that surplus (now without any federal subsidies for farmers, having to pay now for US weather reports even if the US kept doing them, without US officials doing soil sampling, etc. etc.) for manufactured goods.

Historically, that is not the side of the equation you want to be on. They'd basically be creating a third-world country, bounded on all sides by the US and completely dependent on them.

re: #214 makeitstop

A commenter posted on TPM yesterday that between the states named (Kansas, Mississippi and Arizona) that this is the Koch brothers floating a trial balloon for secession.

The uproar that would ensue from this is something Team Liar won't want to get within a mile of - but since it's one of their senior advisors pushing it, it'll dirty up Romney even worse than he is now.

That was just what a commenter said. You can't take those seriously without evidence, and you'd be wise not to make such a claim yourself without evidence. All you'd do launching that sort of conspiracy theory in to make yourself look bad and allow the Koch Brothers to look good calling you a crazy person. Because its a crazy idea.

Juan Cole writes about Obama's 'gaffe' of whether Egypt is an 'ally' or not.

The bottom line is, it worked.

White House spokesman Jay Carney added on Thursday that “Obama spoke with President Mohamed Morsi, the first Islamist leader following an uprising which toppled Mubarak last year, on Wednesday and impressed upon him the need to protect US diplomats…”

Under Obama’s pressure, Morsi, in Brussels seeking European aid, finally explicitly condemned Tuesday’s attack on the US embassy in Egypt:

“we don’t accept, condone, or approve at all for there to be attacks on embassies, consulates or people, or killing in any way.”

“We want to cooperate with the entire world and we are cooperating now with the E.U. and the European people and with the American people and others and the U.S. administration to prevent such practices in the future. Also, we insist on the protection of persons, properties and embassies. The Egyptian people are very civilized and could not ever express their rejection of such practices with an attack on an embassy or person or consulate.”

Some of Morsi’s sudden willingness to say all this was fueled by Obama’s pressure.

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

That was just what a commenter said. You can't take those seriously without evidence, and you'd be wise not to make such a claim yourself without evidence. All you'd do launching that sort of conspiracy theory in to make yourself look bad and allow the Koch Brothers to look good calling you a crazy person. Because its a crazy idea.

Oh, wait. After all the shit Team Liar has pulled this week, you're admonishing people not to make claims without evidence?

Tell it to your candidate. I'm just mentioning a comment on a blog. Your candidate is making claims without evidence, repeatedly, in news conferences.

re: #218 Decatur Deb

You could send them the 82nd Airborne.

Hey, if Kansas weren't landlocked, we could send in destroyers.

re: #219 Obdicut

The actual math on secession just doesn't work-- hell, it didn't work back in the civil war days, but especially not now. Those states depend on the Federal government funding them. If Kansas seceded, it'd become a largely agrarian state having to trade that surplus (now without any federal subsidies for farmers, having to pay now for US weather reports even if the US kept doing them, without US officials doing soil sampling, etc. etc.) for manufactured goods.

Historically, that is not the side of the equation you want to be on. They'd basically be creating a third-world country, bounded on all sides by the US and completely dependent on them.

Kansas (like the rest of the wheat belt) is in the midst of one of the worst droughts in history. Without Federal aid, Kansas would become Somalia.

re: #213 Obdicut

So what do you think about Romney, given that he made this guy who's considering it and thinks the idea has merit, his senior immigration adviser?

It's either a bad pick or Mitt's crazy like a fox and its still a bad pick.

Birtherism does little but woo people on the conspiracist right, and Mitt's already got all of those people he's going to get. The remainder won't vote for him because of a variety of factors, both from his career and religion, and because they feel he won't change enough things compared to Obama. Either way, its past time to write that sort of loon off. If Mitt can't win without them, then he can't win and should just accept that.

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

So what does it make you think about Mitt as an ethical being, that he's willing to not only tolerate birtherism, but endorse it?

re: #173 Gus

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KFC - that'll burn as long as a yard full of tires.

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Question: What happens if the election board in Kansas actually pulled Obama off its ballot?

A federal lawsuit requesting an emergency injunction to prevent the removal of the President from the ballot.

Guys, drop this 'secession' sillyness. You're basing it a on a comment from another blog. It's just plain foolish to even entertain that such an theory might be real with any evidence.

This not a consipracist blog.

Good morning lizards!

Was KFC responsible for that movie trailer?

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Guys, drop this 'secession' sillyness. You're basing it a on a comment from another blog. It's just plain foolish to even entertain that such an theory might be real with any evidence.

This not a consipracist blog.

Why do you hate Sarah and Todd?

re: #219 Obdicut

The actual math on secession just doesn't work-- hell, it didn't work back in the civil war days, but especially not now. Those states depend on the Federal government funding them. If Kansas seceded, it'd become a largely agrarian state having to trade that surplus (now without any federal subsidies for farmers, having to pay now for US weather reports even if the US kept doing them, without US officials doing soil sampling, etc. etc.) for manufactured goods.

Historically, that is not the side of the equation you want to be on. They'd basically be creating a third-world country, bounded on all sides by the US and completely dependent on them.

Understood. I have to wonder whether people like Kobach think things through on the same level you do, though.

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Guys, drop this 'secession' sillyness. You're basing it a on a comment from another blog. It's just plain foolish to even entertain that such an theory might be real with any evidence.

This not a consipracist blog.

Calm down. It was mentioned in passing. No one's taking it seriously.

re: #231 Decatur Deb

Why do you hate Sarah and Todd?

Because they spew Burning Stupid all across America and dumb down the national discourse.

re: #221 makeitstop

Juan Cole writes about Obama's 'gaffe' of whether Egypt is an 'ally' or not.

The bottom line is, it worked.

David Frum called it Obama's Shrewdest Gaffe:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Guys, drop this 'secession' sillyness. You're basing it a on a comment from another blog. It's just plain foolish to even entertain that such an theory might be real with any evidence.

This not a consipracist blog.

I will say that I expect that if the President is relected, the talk of Civil War and secession will explode on the extreme right. Not that any of those blowhards will actually follow through, except for a handful of very dangerous people like that militia group within that army base.

You have to admit, Kansas would be a great place to corral all the anti-choicers, anti-vaxxers, birthers, truthers, and global warming deniers. It's big enough for that much shit, right?

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

Because they spew Burning Stupid all across America and dumb down the national discourse.

Would you have voted McCain/Palin?

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Guys, drop this 'secession' sillyness. You're basing it a on a comment from another blog. It's just plain foolish to even entertain that such an theory might be real with any evidence.

This not a consipracist blog.

I don't think that it's real. Nobody is treating it seriously. Do you honestly think we're taking it seriously when we say shit like "If it weren't landlocked, we could send in the destroyers"?

What is being treated seriously is that Mitt Romney, the GOP candidate for the presidency, is endorsing birtherism as a tactic for attacking Obama, and that fucking blows.

re: #226 Obdicut

So what does it make you think about Mitt as an ethical being, that he's willing to not only tolerate birtherism, but endorse it?

Nobody does the Captain Kirk-Nomad thing better than you. :-)

re: #233 makeitstop

Calm down. It was mentioned in passing. No one's taking it seriously.

It's didn't seem like that to me. People here seemed to be giving it credence. And I've long believed that the best way to stop a conspiracy theory from growing is to step on it hard and fast.

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Would you have voted McCain/Palin?

He's voting for Romney/Ryan, for pete's sake...leave the kid alone.

I know, I know...I should talk...I like fucking with DF as much as the next person, but there's only so much crazy you can ask him to defend.

re: #238 Decatur Deb

Would you have voted McCain/Palin?

I did vote McCain/Palin.

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

I did vote McCain/Palin.

Heck, I think Charles voted McCain/Palin.

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

I did vote McCain/Palin.

You've come a long way, baby. Keep thinking.

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Guys, drop this 'secession' sillyness. You're basing it a on a comment from another blog. It's just plain foolish to even entertain that such an theory might be real with any evidence.

This not a consipracist blog.

The Koch brothers told you to say that, didn't they?

re: #242 darthstar

He's voting for Romney/Ryan, for pete's sake...leave the kid alone.

I know, I know...I should talk...I like fucking with DF as much as the next person, but there's only so much crazy you can ask him to defend.

Jast askn'.

re: #244 aagcobb

Heck, I think Charles voted McCain/Palin.

And has since apologized for doing so on a regular basis.

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

It's didn't seem like that to me. People here seemed to be giving it credence. And I've long believed that the best way to stop a conspiracy theory from growing is to step on it hard and fast.

Joining late in the conversation, and skirting close to a "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but IMO most of the LGF commentariat recognize any secession talk for what it is: right wing hot air fueled by in no small part by racism.

re: #249 Mattand

And a complete fantasy that wouldn't possible be able to work in the least.

re: #248 bratwurst

And has since apologized for doing so on a regular basis.

Voting Dem means never having to say you're sorry.