Sen. John Cornyn Threatens to Shut Down Government Over Debt Ceiling

Nice little country you have here. Hate to see anything happen to it.

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Another day, another top Republican practicing extortion, threatening to shut down the US government: Cornyn: ‘It May Be Necessary to Partially Shut Down the Government’

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas) suggested Friday that Republicans should be willing to shut down the government if they are unable to extract suitable concessions in the upcoming negotiations over the debt ceiling and sequestration.

In an op-ed in the Houston Chronicle, Cornyn says that President Obama’s insistence that he will not negotiate over the debt ceiling again “is unacceptable” and that Republicans should put the president on notice over the potential consequences.

“The coming deadlines will be the next flashpoints in our ongoing fight to bring fiscal sanity to Washington,” Cornyn writes. “It may be necessary to partially shut down the government in order to secure the long-term fiscal well being of our country, rather than plod along the path of Greece, Italy and Spain.”

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144 comments

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:22:24am

GOP: General Obstructionist Party.

darthstar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:23:19am

Yet another reason to put Barney Frank in as Senator Kerry's temorary replacement. We need someone who isn't running for reelection to call these people out for the horses' asses they are.

Obdicut Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:23:27am

Laser-like focus on jobs.

wilburs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:25:04am

He is an idiot

Obama is going to sit back and watch the GOP have to choose between the chamber if commerce types who are the backbone of the party and the teahadists.

Good times are coming!

The Mountain That Blogs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:25:40am

"Our opportunity here is on the debt ceiling,” Toomey told MSNBC. “The president has made it very clear: he doesn’t even want to have a discussion about it, because he knows this is where we have leverage"

Nice economy you've got here. Would be a shame if something were to happen to it.

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:26:57am

(R) for Reactionary

Senator John Cornyn's Special Interest Group Ratings:
2011 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Spring-Summer) 70%
2011 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Summer-Fall) 65%
2010 - The John Birch Society - Positions (May 2010 - September 2010) 100%
2009-2010 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Nov2009 -Jun2010) 100%
2009-2010 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Full Session) 93%
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Dr. Matt Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:29:22am

Boehner would support shutting down the government because it will give him more time to drink.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:29:32am

I wonder how many GOP congressmen sit in their offices every night singing along to Bon Jovi's "Blaze of Glory".

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:30:51am

re: #7 Dr. Matt

Give him time to work on the tan. /

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:31:32am

(R) for "Respects the Troops"

2010 - Disabled American Veterans - U.S. Senate Score 0%
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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:31:56am

Cornyn can kiss my ass.

He is a misogynist.

And how is everyone today?

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:33:01am

re: #8 Kragar

I wonder how many GOP congressmen sit in their offices every night singing along to Bon Jovi's "Blaze of Glory".

Youtube Video

FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:34:39am

re: #6 jaunte

(R) for Reactionary

Senator John Cornyn's Special Interest Group Ratings:
2011 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Spring-Summer) 70%
2011 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Summer-Fall) 65%
2010 - The John Birch Society - Positions (May 2010 - September 2010) 100%
2009-2010 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Nov2009 -Jun2010) 100%
2009-2010 - The John Birch Society - Positions (Full Session) 93%
[Link: votesmart.org...]

JBS loves him, big suprise.

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:35:28am

The debt ceiling, which would otherwise curtail a budget that the Congress just adopted. They couldn't get all the cuts in the budget the first time, so they're attempting another bite of the apple.

At the same time, they're looking to avoid sequestration because it would mean across the board cuts - an austerity move, precisely because it would hit everything, including things they hold dear, like government jobs programs (defense and construction to name but two). They'd rather focus all the cuts on to the safety net, even though SS is paid for via the payroll tax that was just restored to its prior level after a two-year temporary reduction.

Restoring the tax to the 6.2% level means that beneficiaries down the road will have the benefits waiting for them that they expected to be there. It's a solvency thing - and keeping the rate lower would have reduced the solvency, and hastened the need to cut benefits or make other adjustments (all in the intention of starving the program out of existence eventually). The GOP saw fit to allow the payroll tax to expire because they thought they could gain politically by saying Obama raised taxes on most Americans - even though the GOP and Congress as a whole approved the measure's temporary nature.

erik_t Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:40:59am

It may be necessary to partially shut down the government

Curiously, I suspect any and all DoD funding will remain in the other part.

kirkspencer Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:41:23am

re: #14 lawhawk

The debt ceiling, which would otherwise curtail a budget that the Congress just adopted. They couldn't get all the cuts in the budget the first time, so they're attempting another bite of the apple.

At the same time, they're looking to avoid sequestration because it would mean across the board cuts - an austerity move, precisely because it would hit everything, including things they hold dear, like government jobs programs (defense and construction to name but two). They'd rather focus all the cuts on to the safety net, even though SS is paid for via the payroll tax that was just restored to its prior level after a two-year temporary reduction.

Restoring the tax to the 6.2% level means that beneficiaries down the road will have the benefits waiting for them that they expected to be there. It's a solvency thing - and keeping the rate lower would have reduced the solvency, and hastened the need to cut benefits or make other adjustments (all in the intention of starving the program out of existence eventually). The GOP saw fit to allow the payroll tax to expire because they thought they could gain politically by saying Obama raised taxes on most Americans - even though the GOP and Congress as a whole approved the measure's temporary nature.

The GOP plans to make the Dems take the blame for the cuts, too. They'll use two mechanisms. First, the "We insist on cuts, but you get to pick what to cut (but we get to veto the cuts we don't like)." Since Dems name the cuts Dems get the blame. And, of course, the classic "See what you made me do" argument. "If you come closer you'll make me shoot my hostage. You came closer? [bang] See what you made me do? You killed her."

Now the first time or two it's hard to believe adults were doing this, so a lot of people swallowed the "who to blame" line. But they've done it so often, and so blatantly, that I don't think it'll work this time.

Blatant? See John Cornyn's full remarks - and he's not the only one spewing them.

Gus Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:42:10am

re: #15 erik_t

Curiously, I suspect any and all DoD funding will remain in the other part.

The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:42:14am

"The coming deadlines will be the next flashpoints in our ongoing fight to bring fiscal sanity to Washington"

Fiscal wizard John Cornyn voted NO on requiring on-budget funding for Iraq.
[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]

FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:42:42am

so true

erik_t Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:43:28am

re: #17 Gus

The Russians are coming, the Russians are coming!

That's Soviets to you, bub.

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:43:50am

Moreover, there's a posting I saw earlier that the borrowing costs that are now available are such that the government should take advantage of the low/negative interest rates so as to do the kinds of infrastructure projects that are critical to long term economic growth - rebuilding and restoring roads, bridges, tunnels, and air and rail networks.

Instead, we've got some who are pushing for austerity and idiocy in cutting programs and projects that would serve as economic development and growth.

To the right, economic development can't happen with government involvement, except when it's in the form of a government handout in the form of tax credits or PILoTs or incentives that otherwise reduce the tax burden to the companies, but don't always create the jobs and revenues down the line that were expected.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:43:53am

Rep. Ellison: ‘If Republicans want to do cuts,’ then cut corporate welfare

Appearing on “The Young Turks” Thursday, Rep. Keith Ellison (D-MN) agreed with Republicans that cuts are needed to restore the nation’s fiscal outlook, but he wants to look in the last place conservatives are interested in curtailing: corporate welfare.

“If Republicans want to have a conversation about cuts, we should have a conversation about cuts,” Ellison, a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, told host Cenk Uygur. “Let’s start with Medicare Part D and say, ‘If you want to save money, you want to cut the deficit, let’s let there be competitive bidding for Medicare Part D prescription drugs. That would save about $150 billion.”

He added that eliminating oil, gas and coal tax breaks and subsidies would leave “another $100 billion” in government coffers. Ellison also suggested that America’s nuclear arsenal could be trimmed down to save even more money.

“My point is, if Republicans want to do cuts, we should do cuts, but we’re not going to hurt America’s working class and poor to do it.”

dragonfire1981 Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:44:36am

Actually I could potentially be in favor of this idea, so long as the first things that get "shut down" are congressional salaries and health insurance benefits.

Tigger2 Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:44:39am

Cornyn how did acting like that and threatening Americas economy work out for you all the last election, What makes you think it will help you all out in "14" and "16', I think the majority of Americans are sick of this kind of shit.

Gus Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:44:56am

re: #20 erik_t

That's Soviets to you, bub.

Chinlee!

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:45:12am

re: #15 erik_t

Curiously, I suspect any and all DoD funding will remain in the other part.

You'd actually be wrong about that. There are a number of administrative and R&D functions of DoD that shut down in case of a gov. shutdown, though other functions do still happen as normal. This is also true for the Department of Justice's law enforcement agencies. But most civilian DoD employees are furloughed in such a case, and the courts do not operate.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:45:39am

re: #24 Tigger2

Cornyn how did acting like that and threatening Americas economy work out for you all the last election, What makes you think it will help you all out in "14" and "16', I think the majority of Americans are sick of this kind of shit.

The government shutdown really helped the Dole campaign back in the 90s.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:45:46am

A couple good articles on all of this:

Lawrence O'Donnell on Obama's tax victory

The leverage Dems have in the Sequester talks

Locker Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:45:55am

I'd like to see the President and the Dems just say "No" and let these super popular Republicans shut things down. Every single day we can blame it on them and watch their own money backers freak out.

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:47:48am

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

The courts operate at a reduced level. They have to have someone available for emergency appeals, criminal justice matters (right to speedy trial, emergency stays of executions, etc.), and other legally mandated responsibilities that can't be deferred or delayed.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:49:17am

re: #30 lawhawk

The courts operate at a reduced level. They have to have someone available for emergency appeals, criminal justice matters (right to speedy trial, emergency stays of executions, etc.), and other legally mandated responsibilities that can't be deferred or delayed.

Thank you for that clarification and correction.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:50:24am

California Appeals Court Tosses Rape Conviction Because The Woman Was Unmarried

A jury convicted the defendant of rape, although it did not make clear whether he was convicted because he impersonated Jane’s boyfriend or because he had sex with a woman who could not consent to intercourse because she was asleep. Sex with an unconscious woman is rape in California when the accused rapist knows the woman is sleeping. Under the appeals court’s decision, however, obtaining consent to sex by pretending to be someone’s boyfriend is not. As the court explained, “we reluctantly hold that a person who accomplishes sexual intercourse by impersonating someone other than a married victim’s spouse is not guilty of the crime of rape of an unconscious person.”

FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:50:56am

I'm still so pissed-off at the Republican Mullahs over VAWA, I could break something.

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:51:23am

@johnboehner So why adjourn until 1/14. There's business at hand - like the balance of the #Sandy aid to rebuild and get Americans working!
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) January 4, 2013

FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:52:35am

re: #32 Kragar

California Appeals Court Tosses Rape Conviction Because The Woman Was Unmarried

Where is the verb in all this --to consent or not to consent?

How did the girl's boyfriend feel about all this? I'll be he thought she was raped.
WTF?

Ghost of Tom Joad Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:52:58am

re: #32 Kragar

California Appeals Court Tosses Rape Conviction Because The Woman Was Unmarried

If it was a straight man getting raped by a gay guy they'd reverse that decision so fast the entire state would need to strap themselves down for fear of being blown away in the ensuing tornado.

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:53:11am

re: #30 lawhawk

It's the same thing at many other federal departments and agencies. The FAA will staff control towers, FDA will still carry on inspections, etc. Bureaucratic efforts (back end functions) get furloughed, but the critical tasks get workarounds to keep things going.

Lidane Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:53:16am

*sigh*

I can't believe this tool is one of my Senators. And he was the AG here in Texas before that.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:53:23am

State Sen. Dennis Kruse Pushes For Mandatory Recitation Of Lord's Prayer In Indiana Public Schools

A Republican state senator wants Indiana's public school students to begin each day by reciting the Lord's Prayer.

Dennis Kruse, chair of the state Senate's education committee, has introduced Senate Bill 23, which would allow Indiana's school districts to require recitation of the prayer, "In order that each student recognize the importance of spiritual development in establishing character and becoming a good citizen."

The proposal does offer exemptions, including a provision allowing students and parents to opt out of a school's mandatory prayer. Still, experts and the Indiana Senate legal committee believe the bill to be unconstitutional, the Indianapolis Star reports.

Quit wasting everyone's time, douchebag.

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:54:02am

There's an interesting editorial (and discussion in comments) at the same Houston Chronicle site that's hosting the Cornyn piece:

Conservatism is Sliding Off the Roof

"....Faced with a dizzying pace of social and technological change the conservative movement has been gripped by a seizure of paranoia. Conservatism is not merely the eternal yin to our political yang. It had a discrete beginning as an intellectual alternative to the values of the French Revolution and it could very well have an end in an age of near-perpetual social disruption if we fail to adapt.
.....
As we face a new year and a new era, conservatives should consider a few resolutions. These are some values we should rediscover:..."

Lidane Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:54:05am

re: #27 Kragar

The government shutdown really helped the Dole campaign back in the 90s.

Yep. I'm sure President Dole would agree.

erik_t Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:54:14am

re: #39 Kragar

State Sen. Dennis Kruse Pushes For Mandatory Recitation Of Lord's Prayer In Indiana Public Schools

How is first amendment formed
How to stymie douchecanoes

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:54:28am

re: #39 Kragar

It's that laser-like focus on jobs. Except when it comes to G-d, guns, and well... women's va-jay-jays.

Lidane Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:55:20am

re: #40 jaunte

There's an interesting editorial (and discussion in comments) at the same Houston Chronicle site that's hosting the Cornyn piece:

Conservatism is Sliding Off the Roof

Dear Houston Chronicle,

Conservatism fell off the roof, slid down into the sewers, and got washed out to sea decades ago. Where the hell have you been?

Just wondering,
Me

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:56:25am

re: #44 Lidane

One of the conservative commenters in that thread has given up and wants to move to a better country.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:57:41am

re: #44 Lidane

Dear Houston Chronicle,

Conservatism fell off the roof, slid down into the sewers, and got washed out to sea decades ago. Where the hell have you been?

Just wondering,
Me

My thoughts as well.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:58:02am

re: #45 jaunte

One of the conservative commenters in that thread has given up and wants to move to a better country.

The Congo or Saudi?

Tigger2 Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:58:05am

re: #39 Kragar

State Sen. Dennis Kruse Pushes For Mandatory Recitation Of Lord's Prayer In Indiana Public Schools

Quit wasting everyone's time, douchebag.

I'm ashamed of my state. lol

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:58:51am

re: #47 FemNaziBitch

If I could read his mind, I'd say he's thinking Galtistan.

FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:59:03am

re: #48 Tigger2

I'm ashamed of my state. lol

I disinherited Indiana about 30 years ago. I've never regretted it.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 4, 2013 10:59:36am

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

Where is the verb in all this --to consent or not to consent?

How did the girl's boyfriend feel about all this? I'll be he thought she was raped.
WTF?

Read the write-up on it at salon.com.

Whether rape law is supposed to protect against violence or against broader violation — “physical security” versus “sexual autonomy,” as one of the papers the judges cited puts it — is also at the heart of the issue. Prioritizing physical security privileges force or violence, as opposed to other forms of coercion, like psychological or professional. Historically, courts have been divided: Sometimes they made a distinction between fraud in the fact (the person didn’t consent to have sex) and fraud in the inducement (the person consented to sex under false pretenses).

In 1986, California changed its rape law in response to a notorious case of another kind of fraudulent inducement: A doctor who convinced women to have sex with him by claiming it was medical treatment. An appellate court sided with the doctor, asking, “Ought the liar and seducer to be chargeable as a rapist?” In other words, the women consented to sex, if under false information, so it wasn’t rape. A year later, “Dr. Feelgood” was convicted under the new law that specified that what counted was “true, good faith consent, obtained without substantial fraud or deceit.”

But in the absence of an explicit law like that, courts across the country have often taken the narrower view of consent. For example, in the 1994 case of a twin impersonating his brother in order to have sex with his brother’s girlfriend (the same premise of this creeptastic Hornitos commercial) the court ruled that it wasn’t rape because New York state law didn’t specifically include fraud as obviating consent. (It still doesn’t).

California’s fraud language was progressive when it was enacted in 1872, because, as the court notes, “these provisions were included specifically in response to cases from England and elsewhere that held that no rape was committed under those circumstances” — a woman who thought she was sleeping with her husband, not committing “adultery.” For whatever reason, the language has stuck despite subsequent amendments to, for example, make it gender-neutral: Thinking you were having marital sex is still the benchmark for fraud.

That’s why the judges made two recommendations: One, try Morales for a rape charge because he had sex with an unconscious woman. Two, change the law so what he did is also fraud, whether she was married to her boyfriend or not. A jury will now likely decide the first part. The second recommendation will require enough sustained outrage to get it through the legislature.

(bolding mine)

Gus Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:00:24am

re: #47 FemNaziBitch

The Congo or Saudi?

Kenya!

Dr. Matt Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:00:44am

re: #40 jaunte

There's an interesting editorial (and discussion in comments) at the same Houston Chronicle site that's hosting the Cornyn piece:

Conservatism is Sliding Off the Roof

I love this sentence:

One of the ironies of conservatism is that despite its attachments to the past each generation must reinvent it over for a new time and circumstances.

Truer words have never been spoken.

aagcobb Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:01:35am

re: #28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

A couple good articles on all of this:

Lawrence O'Donnell on Obama's tax victory

The leverage Dems have in the Sequester talks

This is good to know. I was afraid the Democrats had lost all their leverage by allowing the Bush tax cuts to become permanent.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:02:27am

Erik Rush: Obama Bringing About the Apocalypse

Many Americans have wondered why, like the press, GOP leaders are also withholding vast amounts of information concerning the criminality of this administration from the public. Whether they are too well-sated and disconnected to care, or they are deliberately running interference for congressional socialists, it still spells complicity.

I don’t often go out on the limb of religious doctrine, but you have to admit that in the aggregate, this all lends credence to Armageddon dogma, whether one subscribes to the Millennialist view, of if one merely accepts the Book of Revelation (there being a difference). If one recognizes neither, there’s still the dystopian science fiction atrociously-oppressive government scenario. Interpreting it as politics as usual would be, in my view, a form of desperate denial.

Whether the individual American, apprised of these facts, determines to become a full-blown prepper in response to it, or to set aside a revolver with one bullet in the chamber, the days of sitting on the sidelines are over, like it or not.

Sorry if you though the Mayan end-of-the-world thing would be our “easy out…”

Ghost of Tom Joad Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:04:07am

re: #53 Dr. Matt

I love this sentence:

Truer words have never been spoken.

Meh, they never "reinvent" it. They just re-package it every 10 or so years in a somewhat vain attempt at making it palatable to newer generations. But it's always the same old bullshit.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:05:46am

Ted Cruz promises to introduce bill in Senate to repeal Obamacare

Tea party darling Ted Cruz was sworn into the U.S. Senate on Thursday and promised to begin his career by introducing a bill he knows will never pass — a repeal of "every syllable of every word" of the White House's signature health care reform law.

With Democrats controlling the Senate and Barack Obama as president, "we know to a metaphysical certainly that that bill is not going to pass," Cruz said on a media conference call shortly after taking office as the first Hispanic to represent Texas in the Senate.

But Cruz promised on the campaign trail to propose the repeal and said he'd keep his word.

Someone call the gut-punch department.

Tigger2 Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:05:47am

re: #50 FemNaziBitch

I disinherited Indiana about 30 years ago. I've never regretted it.

There are a lot of bible thumpers here, I have a nephew by marriage who is a preacher that keeps trying to get me to go to church no matter how many times I tell him I do not agree with a lot of things organized religion is doing right now. I tell him I believe in the god in my heart and I don't need to be around people I don't agree with just to prove it to them.

wilburs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:05:56am

re: #55 Kragar

This guy is pulling ahead in the contest for "America's craziest wingnut"

aagcobb Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:06:16am

re: #55 Kragar

Erik Rush: Obama Bringing About the Apocalypse

Do you ever get the feeling that the Right has become a movement by the mentally ill to embroil the entire nation in their paranoid fantasies?

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:07:35am

re: #60 aagcobb

Do you ever get the feeling that the Right has become a movement by the mentally ill to embroil the entire nation in their paranoid fantasies?

I say we override a Fox News broadcast, tell them all to barricade themselves in their basements till further notice, then cut the signal. Problem solved.

HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:07:50am

re: #57 Kragar

Ted Cruz promises to introduce bill in Senate to repeal Obamacare

Someone call the gut-punch department.

Him and Michelle Bachmann do remember that Obama's still president, right? Looks like Cruz is another nut.

HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:08:36am

re: #60 aagcobb

Do you ever get the feeling that the Right has become a movement by the mentally ill to embroil the entire nation in their paranoid fantasies?

Honestly, more and more every day reading crap like this. Read some of this guy Rush's theories the other day. He's one of those who believe the bankers and commies are in it together.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:08:42am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Him and Michelle Bachmann do remember that Obama's still president, right? Looks like Cruz is another nut.

How dare you say that!?!? He was backed by Caribou Barbie!

wilburs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:09:11am

Paul Ryan votes against Sandy relief

way to look presidential!

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:09:39am

re: #59 wilburs

This guy is pulling ahead in the contest for "America's craziest wingnut"

"Each generation of wingnuts must reinvent themselves for a new time and circumstances."

Gus Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:09:41am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Him and Michelle Bachmann do remember that Obama's still president, right? Looks like Cruz is another nut.

Ted Cruz: super genius.

erik_t Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:10:36am

re: #56 Ghost of Tom Joad

Meh, they never "reinvent" it. They just re-package it every 10 or so years in a somewhat vain attempt at making it palatable to newer generations. But it's always the same old bullshit.

In fairness, sometimes it's brand new bullshit.

lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:10:39am

re: #62 HappyWarrior

They've got that laser like focus on jobs.

Repealing Obamacare is job one to the right wing. Even though it has absolutely no chance of happening with President Obama in office, the Senate controlled by Democrats, and insufficient numbers for a veto override, they'll show'em that they get things done by introducing legislation that will sit for the next two years. And in 2 years time, they'll do this all over again.

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:10:44am

re: #57 Kragar

Texas has a lot of explaining to do.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:10:46am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Honestly, more and more every day reading crap like this. Read some of this guy Rush's theories the other day. He's one of those who believe the bankers and commies are in it together.

Other gems of insight by Erik Rush:
Gay Rights Advocates will Bring About the Next Holocaust
Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason
Prepare for 'Prosecutions' and 'Civil Unrest' under Obama
Is Grover Norquist Pushing the New World Order?
Gun Violence part of Obama's Marxist Plot
WND Floats Armed Resistance to Obama Administration

Lidane Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:11:01am

re: #57 Kragar

Ted Cruz promises to introduce bill in Senate to repeal Obamacare

Because the Democratic majority in the Senate will vote to repeal. Really.

Fucking tool. Between him and Cornyn, Texas has two useless morons as Senators.

BongCrodny Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:11:03am

re: #59 wilburs

This guy is pulling ahead in the contest for "America's craziest wingnut"

I think that race is neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-.....

Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:11:18am

re: #55 Kragar

Erik Rush: Obama Bringing About the Apocalypse

From that column:

A starry-eyed press, indoctrinated into liberal-socialism by communist journalism school professors, have become no less than a state propaganda bureau. Thus, the press as most of us understand it, no longer exists. We can count on their doing all they can to aid Obama and the mission of the radical left in the foreseeable future. The most harmful realm in which they currently operate is that of nondisclosure, whereby they are withholding vast amounts of information concerning the criminality of this administration from the public, and the degree of power it continues to criminally usurp and coalesce.

The entertainment industry, which has been somewhat freakish since the time of the Greeks, has become an institution of inordinate power and influence in our culture. Its incestuous relationship with the radical left has never been more apparent than at present. Under the pretext of entertainment (and with the increasing indolence of Americans in general), the industry fashioned itself into an Olympian pantheon of demigods, which now has the power to sway millions to their morally ambivalent social creed. Through their influence, we have come to celebrate sexual deviance, the promiscuous adventures of borderline-retarded celebrity couples, and uneducated wastes with no future outside of reality television. With a leviathan government poised to deliver a death blow to the Constitution, its actions obscured by the press, Americans remain preoccupied with Kim and Kanye’s spawn and Jennifer Aniston’s post-40 beach bod.

The educational system of course fell victim to this design long ago; those who are familiar with the recent history of national public education are aware that it was modeled by card-carrying communists who infiltrated and began to make substantial gains from the 1950s on. Using the union model – which has been utilized across several industries – it now represents not only a vehicle that has served to indoctrinate American children, but which wields an intimidating degree of political power.

A RADICAL SOCIALIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!1 COMMIES IN OUR SCHOOLS!!11 FLUORIDE IN OUR WATER!!!11 ELEVENTY!!!111

/ [headdesk]

HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:11:48am

re: #69 lawhawk

They've got that laser like focus on jobs.

Repealing Obamacare is job one to the right wing. Even though it has absolutely no chance of happening with President Obama in office, the Senate controlled by Democrats, and insufficient numbers for a veto override, they'll show'em that they get things done by introducing legislation that will sit for the next two years. And in 2 years time, they'll do this all over again.

It is textbook insanity. I think I read something like Bachmann's introduced the repeal bill like 23 times now. I don't think I've ever seen a more childish rejection to a law whose legality has been affirmed by the USSC.

BongCrodny Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:12:11am

re: #57 Kragar

Ted Cruz promises to introduce bill in Senate to repeal Obamacare

Someone call the gut-punch department.

"I'm a man who keeps his campaign promises, and I promise that I will waste countless taxpayer dollars on this pointless bill!"

HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:12:53am

re: #71 Kragar

Other gems of insight by Erik Rush:
Gay Rights Advocates will Bring About the Next Holocaust
Prosecute Liberals, Journalists for Treason
Prepare for 'Prosecutions' and 'Civil Unrest' under Obama
Is Grover Norquist Pushing the New World Order?
Gun Violence part of Obama's Marxist Plot
WND Floats Armed Resistance to Obama Administration

It's nice that the asylum he lives at allows him to write I guess. Oh wait.

kirkspencer Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:13:22am

re: #57 Kragar

Ted Cruz promises to introduce bill in Senate to repeal Obamacare

Someone call the gut-punch department.

Another one? ok. It has to pass the Senate, and the Democratic majority still gets a vote. And then it has to get past the presidential veto (Obama is still president). And then it has to get enough votes to override the veto (see Democratic majority of the senate, and this time notice that more than 1/3 of the house is Democratic as well).

But sure, introduce another "principle of the thing" failure.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:13:29am

Going out on a limb here and guessing that Erik Rush probably has serious issues with women and sexuality.

Lidane Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:16:27am

re: #79 Kragar

Going out on a limb here and guessing that Erik Rush probably has serious issues with women and sexuality.

Just like all RWNJ men.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:17:25am

Former NRA President Equates Gun Laws With Racism

Appearing on an episode of the NRA news show The Daily News on Wednesday, Hammer concluded a discussion of the prospects on gun control initiatives prompted by the Newtown, Conn. massacre by drawing a comparison between attempts to ban guns and racism.

“And they even admit this is about banning the ugliest guns, it’s about cosmetics and it has nothing to do about how a firearm works,” host Ginny Simone said toward the end of the segment.

“Well, you know, banning people and things because of the way they look went out a long time ago,” Hammer responded. “But here they are again. The color of a gun. The way it looks. It’s just bad politics.”

Youtube Video

kirkspencer Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:17:57am

re: #70 jaunte

Texas has a lot of explaining to do.

For senators it's simple. Non-whites vote at significantly lower proportions than whites. The year the hispanics vote at historic black, much less white, levels is the year Texas either splits or turns blue.

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:21:26am

re: #80 Lidane

Just like all RWNJ men.

For some reason that reminded me of Allen West.

You have proven repeatedly that you are not a Lady, therefore, shall not be afforded due respect from me!
Steadfast and Loyal
Congressman Allen B West (R-FL)
[Link: www.politico.com...]

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:22:11am

Just when I think nothing can surprise me any more:

O’Reilly: Asians not liberal ‘by nature’ because they’re ‘industrious and hard-working’

Thursday on Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor,” host Bill O’Reilly and producer Jesse Watters engaged in a discussion of the changing demographics of the U.S. and noted, with puzzlement, that many Asian-Americans are voting Democratic. According to Media Matters, O’Reilly suggested that this is surprising because “Asian people are not liberal, you know, by nature.”

This discussion opened with the two men talking about the state of Hawaii, which they claim is rife with homeless people because of “addiction” and because, O’Reilly said, “they don’t enforce the drug laws.”

“But you know what’s shocking?” he continued, “35 percent of the Hawaiian population is Asian, and Asian people are not liberal, you know, by nature. They’re usually more industrious and hard-working.”

Seriously, WTF?

wilburs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:22:55am

re: #81 Kragar

They actually believe this

I'm reading a book by a former NRA lobbyist, and in the 80's they felt that the public objection to "plastic guns" and assault rifles was due to the fact that they were black

Slap Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:23:50am

re: #50 FemNaziBitch

I disinherited Indiana about 30 years ago. I've never regretted it.

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

aagcobb Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:23:53am

re: #82 kirkspencer

For senators it's simple. Non-whites vote at significantly lower proportions than whites. The year the hispanics vote at historic black, much less white, levels is the year Texas either splits or turns blue.

I think that is a big part of why we are seeing peak wingnut. The extreme right knows it is living on borrowed time because its elderly base of rural christian whites is dying off.

Ghost of Tom Joad Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:24:55am

re: #84 Kragar

Just when I think nothing can surprise me any more:

O’Reilly: Asians not liberal ‘by nature’ because they’re ‘industrious and hard-working’

Seriously, WTF?

Funny how he leaves out how intelligent and academically successful they usually are, and how they tend to be leaders in various scientific fields, all things which are anathema to O'Reilly (tide goes in etc.) and people of his ilk.

aagcobb Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:24:58am

re: #84 Kragar

Just when I think nothing can surprise me any more:

O’Reilly: Asians not liberal ‘by nature’ because they’re ‘industrious and hard-working’

Seriously, WTF?

It surprises you that O'Reilly is a racist?

Vicious Babushka Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:26:05am

re: #86 Slap

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

Tennessee.

jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:26:06am

re: #84 Kragar

Truly a man of the 1880's.

Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:26:13am

Coulter calls to name abortion patients because they ‘might be willing to murder a child’

“Why can’t we get a record of women who have had abortions? They get money from Planned Parenthood, they get money from Medicare, from Medicaid. Much of this is tax subsidies. I think mothers might want to know what other women on their street might be willing to murder a child.”

Vicious Babushka Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:26:50am

re: #92 Kragar

Coulter calls to name abortion patients because they ‘might be willing to murder a child’

She is truly an evil demon bitch from hell.

aagcobb Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:26:59am

re: #86 Slap

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

No, but the Klan was extremely powerful in Indiana back in the 20's before it got rocked by scandal.

HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:27:00am

re: #84 Kragar

Just when I think nothing can surprise me any more:

O’Reilly: Asians not liberal ‘by nature’ because they’re ‘industrious and hard-working’

Seriously, WTF?

Yeah because liberals can't be hard-working and industrious, Bill. Only conservatives can be that. That's why the "lazy" party nominated a self made guy and the "hard-working" party nominated a guy who was the child of privilege.

wilburs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:27:42am

re: #88 Ghost of Tom Joad

Funny how he leaves out how intelligent and academically successful they usually are, and how they tend to be leaders in various scientific fields, all things which are anathema to O'Reilly (tide goes in etc.) and people of his ilk.

Not to mention the fact that they are not handicapped by crazy religious beliefs

HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:27:46am

re: #86 Slap

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

No, Tennessee but the KKK had some of its biggest successes in the 1920's in Indiana.

Tigger2 Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:27:51am

re: #86 Slap

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

I don't know if it was the birthplace of the KKK, but I know it was well represented here in years past.

Obdicut Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:27:52am

re: #84 Kragar

Just when I think nothing can surprise me any more:

O’Reilly: Asians not liberal ‘by nature’ because they’re ‘industrious and hard-working’

Seriously, WTF?

Asians overwhelming vote for Democrats.

And I agree that they tend to be 'conservative'. That's why they're rejecting the insane extremism of the GOP and voting for Democrats.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:28:18am

re: #99 Obdicut

Asians overwhelming vote for Democrats.

And I agree that they tend to be 'conservative'. That's why they're rejecting the insane extremism of the GOP and voting for Democrats.

Zing.

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wilburs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:28:39am

re: #86 Slap

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

It was the epicenter of the second edition of the Klan

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Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:29:15am

re: #89 aagcobb

It surprises you that O'Reilly is a racist?

Probably not, I'm just surprised how freely they voice it without realizing they're even doing it.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:29:31am

re: #101 wilburs

It was the epicenter of the second edition of the Klan

The more "American" Klan that hated everyone who wasn't a teetottling white Protestant native.

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Lidane Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:29:35am

re: #92 Kragar

Coulter calls to name abortion patients because they ‘might be willing to murder a child’

Because being named as an abortion provider worked out so well for George Tiller.

I know some folks on the right would like to pretend she's a performance artist or that she's just trolling, but no. She's a total sociopathic bitch.

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erik_t Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:29:49am

Did anyone tell the GOP they're not supposed to increment their craziness by the year?

Truly, it is turned to 13.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:30:28am

re: #104 Lidane

Because being named as an abortion provider worked out so well for George Tiller.

I know some folks on the right would like to pretend she's a performance artist or that she's just trolling, but no. She's a total sociopathic bitch.

I believe Jonah Goldberg called her craziness out once. If the guy who wants to fight skinny vegan organic food eaters thinks you're nuts, then you have a problem.

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lawhawk Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:31:42am

re: #101 wilburs

Youtube Video

Illinois, Indiana, Tennessee. Doesn't matter. Plenty of racists all over under different guises.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:31:48am

Ann sure does value individual rights. Yeah, Ann you think it's a okay to release the names of the women who get a legal but controversial procedure where providers have been murdered but you think health care reform is tyrannical. Riddle me that, psycho. Riddle me fuckin' that.

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Renaissance_Man Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:33:17am

Curiously, I suspect any and all DoD funding will remain in the other part.

Not all. Health care for veterans is one of those trifles that can be removed because socialism. Vastly overpriced stuff that transfers public tax dollars directly into the hands of a few wealthy corporate moguls, on the other hand, is sacrosanct.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:33:29am

Orange County was another big KKK spot. Probably explains why later the Birchers were so successful there.

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Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:33:52am

And the book I had pre-ordered has been delayed another week at least.

ITS ALL GOING TO HELL DAMMIT!

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wilburs Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:33:52am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

The more "American" Klan that hated everyone who wasn't a teetottling white Protestant native.

exactly
It was middle class protestant, and more concerned about "anti-American" Jews and Catholics

It collapsed spectacularly amid a rape acusation against its leader in Indiana.

like all editions of the Klan, it was also a business in which a few insiders fleeced members

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HoosierHoops Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:34:09am

re: #86 Slap

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

Yes that is true. I worked in Indiana for several years and didn't see racism at first. I posted this story here. I joined a golf club to have cheap golf and meet Hoosiers. One Sunday I sat at the bar getting ready to tee off.
The golf channel was showing Tiger and the racism just exploded at the bar and they were calling Tiger every name and were deeply troubled by his white wife. It was ugly and all the old white guys were laughing.
I came home and posted about it..There is a deeply held KKK hidden to the world.

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Slap Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:34:26am

re: #104 Lidane

Because being named as an abortion provider worked out so well for George Tiller.

I know some folks on the right would like to pretend she's a performance artist or that she's just trolling, but no. She's a total sociopathic bitch.

"I've known some sociopathic bitches in my time, and you couldn't hack it."

Really, what have you got against sociopathic bitches?

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:35:12am

re: #82 kirkspencer

For senators it's simple. Non-whites vote at significantly lower proportions than whites. The year the hispanics vote at historic black, much less white, levels is the year Texas either splits or turns blue.

Always Remember and NEVER FORGET

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:35:27am

re: #101 wilburs

It was the epicenter of the second edition of the Klan

No, the Klan's rebirth came out of Georgia. But Indiana had one of its most successful chapters.

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Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:35:28am

re: #109 Renaissance_Man

Not all. Health care for veterans is one of those trifles that can be removed because socialism. Vastly overpriced stuff that transfers public tax dollars directly into the hands of a few wealthy corporate moguls, on the other hand, is sacrosanct.

Social welfare: appx $16 billion a year
Corporate welfare: appx $100 billion a year

ITS THOSE WELFARE MOMS BLEEDING US DRY!
/

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:36:07am

re: #84 Kragar

Just when I think nothing can surprise me any more:

O’Reilly: Asians not liberal ‘by nature’ because they’re ‘industrious and hard-working’

Seriously, WTF?

It's in there genes doncha' know!!!

*spit**

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Slap Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:36:17am

re: #114 Slap

"I've known some sociopathic bitches in my time, and you couldn't hack it."

Really, what have you got against sociopathic bitches?

I think terms like "colonic slime" are probably more apropos.....

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:36:34am

re: #86 Slap

IIRC, wasn't Indiana the birthplace of the Klan?

Yes, I wonder about some of my family members.

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Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:36:54am

re: #119 Slap

I think terms like "colonic slime" are probably more apropos.....

Would that be unfrothed Santorum?

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:37:27am

re: #92 Kragar

Coulter calls to name abortion patients because they ‘might be willing to murder a child’

Have to wonder how many she has had.

I think the lady doth protest too much!

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Slap Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:37:30am

re: #121 Kragar

Would that be unfrothed Santorum?

PRE-Santorum....

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:37:37am

re: #112 wilburs

exactly
It was middle class protestant, and more concerned about "anti-American" Jews and Catholics

It collapsed spectacularly amid a rape acusation against its leader in Indiana.

like all editions of the Klan, it was also a business in which a few insiders fleeced members

Yeah Stephenson. It wasn't just rape. He murdered that poor woman. But yeah they used the Anti-Catholicism and Jews because the anti-Black stuff didn't work in areas that had small or non existent African American populations so they mainstreamed it if you will and had some of their greatest successes. My grandfather- immigrant's son- told me about the KKK going through his hometown in Pennsylvania. That one really surprised me since his hometown had a ton of immigrants that were well integrated into the community.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:37:49am

BBL

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:38:26am

re: #116 Dark_Falcon

No, the Klan's rebirth came out of Georgia. But Indiana had one of its most successful chapters.

Right, I think it coincided with the release of Birth of a Nation. Truly a disturbing film if you've ever seen it.

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jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:39:49am

New Sen. Ted Cruz regurgitates his first "taxes kill opportunity" boilerplate for the WaPo:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:40:30am

re: #96 wilburs

Not to mention the fact that they are not handicapped by crazy religious beliefs

I was just reading (listening) to that in The Origins of Political Order by Francis Fukuyama

He compares "The West", India and China. Of the three who managed some sort of political order in times past, China was the only one with out a Theology. Europe had the Vatican, and Indian had the Brahmins.

This part of the book was really very interesting. He spent a lot of time on China.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:40:50am

re: #127 jaunte

New Sen. Ted Cruz regurgitates his first "taxes kill opportunity" boilerplate for the WaPo:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Ted Cruz: Because Rand Paul needed someone other than his imaginary friend to talk to.

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Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:42:21am

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Ted Cruz: Because Rand Paul needed someone other than his imaginary friend to talk to.

"Its just you, me, and Aqua Buddha."

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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:44:08am

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

I was just reading (listening) to that in The Origins of Political Order by Francis Fukuyama

He compares "The West", India and China. Of the three who managed some sort of political order in times past, China was the only one with out a Theology. Europe had the Vatican, and Indian had the Brahmins.

This part of the book was really very interesting. He spent a lot of time on China.

Confucius & Taoism filled the same role in China. They may not see "religious" to him but the knowledge of the texts needed to be successful was very similar. The practical application of them was quite similar as well.

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Lidane Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:44:35am

Fox News pushes its divisive agenda by fueling fears of a civil war in the U.S. between "makers" and "takers": mm4a.org/VDlQFB
— Media Matters (@mmfa) January 4, 2013

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jaunte Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:45:41am

re: #132 Lidane

Some of those 'makers' take a lot of subsidy.

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engineer cat Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:45:44am

Sen. John Cornyn Threatens to Shut Down Government Over Debt Ceiling

we members of the superior feline species never trouble ourselves over such self imposed crises arising merely from artificialities and abstractions

by the way - where's my kibble?

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:45:55am

Ain't it the Truth!

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:46:46am

re: #131 William Barnett-Lewis

Confucius & Taoism filled the same role in China. They may not see "religious" to him but the knowledge of the texts needed to be successful was very similar. The practical application of them was quite similar as well.

He states that in the West and India, even the King was subject to the laws of heaven. In China, this was not so. The King was the law, and never subject to it.

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engineer cat Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:47:28am

Fox News pushes its divisive agenda by fueling fears of a civil war in the U.S. between "makers" and "takers"

let the 'job creators' get out there and sit on the assembly lines making their own products, then

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Kragar Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:51:10am

re: #132 Lidane

[Embedded content]

All the while, they blithely ignore the growing rifts between the smokers, the jokers, and the midnight tokers.

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HappyWarrior Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:52:07am

re: #132 Lidane

[Embedded content]

This is getting so stupid. Everyone makes and everyone takes some. Fuck Fox for their divisive bullshit.

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Ming Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:56:23am

It's so odd to have the Republicans threaten to shut down the government over spending, when they've never (as a party) specified what exactly they would CUT, and by HOW MUCH.

I'm not saying the Democrats are any better about government spending. No one, I'm sorry to say not even President Obama, has really leveled with the American people about exactly what spending needs to be cut. Not leveled with us nearly enough, anyway.

But the Democrats aren't threatening to SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT over this. If spending is so darned important to the Republicans, do you think they could be bothered to talk about spending cuts with any SPECIFICITY?

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 11:59:00am

re: #140 Ming

It's so odd to have the Republicans threaten to shut down the government over spending, when they've never (as a party) specified what exactly they would CUT, and by HOW MUCH.

I'm not saying the Democrats are any better about government spending. No one, I'm sorry to say not even President Obama, has really leveled with the American people about exactly what spending needs to be cut. Not leveled with us nearly enough, anyway.

But the Democrats aren't threatening to SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT over this. If spending is so darned important to the Republicans, do you think they could be bothered to talk about spending cuts with any SPECIFICITY?

Sure they have, they want to defund Planned Parenthood and any medical program that includes women's health and any program that doesn't have "praise Jesus" as it's first duty.

The Republican Mullahs, please spit upon them, are theocrats and misogynists.

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Ghost of Tom Joad Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:09:37pm

re: #140 Ming

That's their strategy. They want cuts, but want the Dems to propose specific cuts, then they can turn around and blame the Dems for, you guessed it, cuts!

Look at all the Medicare bullshit during the last election. It wasn't actually a cut, but look what they did with it.

It's the equivalent of telling somebody you're going to punch them, but they can pick where. Then after they pick their arm and get punched, you blame them for the pain in their arm.

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FemNaziBitch Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:22:01pm

re: #142 Ghost of Tom Joad

That's their strategy. They want cuts, but want the Dems to propose specific cuts, then they can turn around and blame the Dems for, you guessed it, cuts!

Look at all the Medicare bullshit during the last election. It wasn't actually a cut, but look what they did with it.

It's the equivalent of telling somebody you're going to punch them, but they can pick where. Then after they pick their arm and get punched, you blame them for the pain in their arm.

Or blame the women for getting herself raped . . .?

Same logic

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Pip's Squeak Fri, Jan 4, 2013 12:25:49pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Weren't the "White Caps" the antecedents of the KKK in southern Indiana? See Booth Tarkington, The Gentleman from Indiana (1899).

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