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1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:27:52pm

I’m beginning to think the WWE trolling of Glenn Beck is going to be legendary.

WWE tries and fails to interview Glenn Beck after showing up at his studio

World Wrestling Entertainment reporter Michael Cole attempted to interview Glenn Beck on Monday, but the conservative commentator allegedly refused to talk.

“You’d think that if Mr. Beck had such inflammatory comments to say about our product that he would be willing to come out here and at least do a one-on-one interview with me,” Cole said while standing in the lobby of Beck’s studio in Dallas.

The WWE reporter was asked to leave and told Beck was currently not in the building. However, Cole was also told that Beck was in his studio performing his show.

The WWE sent out a press release announcing, “Glenn Beck Hides From WWE.”

2 erik_t  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:29:13pm

High on my list of irritations: cameras being sold based on megapixels rather than lens.

Nothing against this camera, but you’re never going to get good low-light performance with a lens this size. No foreseeable sensor can rescue it.

3 freetoken  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:31:57pm

re: #1 Kragar (Antichrist )

But… they did get top birther Donald Trump on the show, to announce they are inducting them into the “celebrity wing” of their “hall of fame”!

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:32:08pm

re: #2 erik_t

High on my list of irritations: cameras being sold based on megapixels rather than lens.

Nothing against this camera, but you’re never going to get good low-light performance with a lens this size. No foreseeable sensor can rescue it.

I just want a camera which would be good for a lot of close up detail work and isn’t too expensive.

5 erik_t  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:32:55pm

re: #4 Kragar (Antichrist )

I just want a camera which would be good for a lot of close up detail work and isn’t too expensive.

I’ve got a Fuji HS30. Not super expensive, tons of glass. I like it.

6 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:37:04pm

re: #4 Kragar (Antichrist )

I just want a camera which would be good for a lot of close up detail work and isn’t too expensive.

Been insanely happy with my Olympus E-PL1 digital PEN. Cheap & lots of great glass will work on it.

7 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:37:14pm

Ohio man finds Jesus in bird poop

Lawry explained that from the outside of the car, it just looked like “regular bird poop.”

“But the amazing thing is, whenever you get inside the car… I mean, it’s like a perfect portrait,” the man insisted as he tried to focus the camera on the white bird droppings.

“It’s like Jesus staring right at me!” he exclaimed. “Absolutely amazing! It looks so clear to me.”

I see Lemmy.

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:38:56pm

re: #7 Kragar (Antichrist )

Ohio man finds Jesus in bird poop

I see Lemmy.

Looks like the Star Trek salt monster.

[Link: www.google.com…]

9 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:41:31pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Looks like the Star Trek salt monster.

[Link: www.google.com…]

ITS CHESTER A ARTHUR!!!!

[Link: www.google.com…]

10 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:43:11pm

“Gee grandpa, tell us again about what it was like before digital cameras were built into everything.”

“Well son, back the old days, we had to use film for our cameras. You didn’t know how the picture would turn out until after you got the film developed. If you got a bad picture, that was it, you just had to throw that picture out. And that was if you got the film developed, because people would shoot whole rolls of film, then put them in a desk drawer and forget about them for years. And if you wanted to share a picture with your friends, you actually had to take it to them, you couldn’t just email it or post it to Facebook. And if you wanted to put it on your computer, you had to buy a scanner or use a friend’s, you couldn’t just plug your camera into the computer.”

11 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:44:54pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

“Gee grandpa, tell us again about what it was like before digital cameras were built into everything.”

“Well son, back the old days, we had to use film for our cameras. You didn’t know how the picture would turn out until after you got the film developed. If you got a bad picture, that was it, you just had to throw that picture out. And that was if you got the film developed, because people would shoot whole rolls of film, then put them in a desk drawer and forget about them for years. And if you wanted to share a picture with your friends, you actually had to take it to them, you couldn’t just email it or post it to Facebook. And if you wanted to put it on your computer, you had to buy a scanner or use a friend’s, you couldn’t just plug your camera into the computer.”

“And you had to stash porn in closets and under beds, not in folders called ‘tax forms’ or ‘country music’ where no one would go look.”

12 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:48:44pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

“Then there were those real weirdos with box like cameras that had a screen on the back which had everything flipped upside down and backwards!”

(so says the guy who shoots 5x7 sheet film ;)

13 Lidane  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:49:52pm

Hmm, let’s see:

Shitty GOP Presidential ticket? Check.
Shitty GOP platform? Check.
Crazy wingnuts like Akin bringing the cray-cray? Check.
Faux News/Talk Radio bubble keeping reality out? Check.
American demographics that work against the GOP? Check.

Gee. Can’t imagine why all that money didn’t help Rove win.

14 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:53:09pm

re: #13 Lidane

Hmm, let’s see:

Shitty GOP Presidential ticket? Check.
Shitty GOP platform? Check.
Crazy wingnuts like Akin bringing the cray-cray? Check.
Faux News/Talk Radio bubble keeping reality out? Check.
American demographics that work against the GOP? Check.

Gee. Can’t imagine why all that money didn’t help Rove win.

Money going to line Rove’s pockets? Check

15 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:57:20pm

The only thing more fun than watching Republicans lose is watching their complete befuddlement over why they lost.

16 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:58:20pm

re: #15 Kragar (Antichrist )

The only thing more fun than watching Republicans lose is watching their complete befuddlement over why they lost.

I get more amusement out of their current attempts to act as if they didn’t lose, because they refuse to acknowledge the election even happened.

17 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 8:59:55pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

I get more amusement out of their current attempts to act as if they didn’t lose, because they refuse to acknowledge the election even happened.

18 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 9:03:20pm

re: #1 Kragar (Antichrist )

I’m beginning to think the WWE trolling of Glenn Beck is going to be legendary.

WWE tries and fails to interview Glenn Beck after showing up at his studio

The WWE sent out a press release announcing, “Glenn Beck Hides From WWE.”

The Bongster’s Magic 8-Ball sez “Linda runs as a Democrat next time.”

19 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 9:13:39pm

re: #3 freetoken

But… they did get top birther Donald Trump on the show, to announce they are inducting them into the “celebrity wing” of their “hall of fame”!

Trump is more self-assured than Beck and in controlled (in his favor) circumstances has the ability to laugh at himself. Glenn Beck can’t deliberately act screwy and then laugh about it, and that makes him less able to deal with over-the-top environments that he himself has not crafted.

20 wrenchwench  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 9:56:15pm
21 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 10:19:55pm

Good night all. It’s one of those nights and I’m going to go off and re-read Ariel by Sylvia Plath & Birthday Letters by Ted Hughes. Though it’s true that where the light ends, darkness begins we tend to forget that the reverse is also true - that where the darkness ends, light begins…

22 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 10:24:28pm
23 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 10:26:06pm

Surprised that the 10th Circuit’s ruling on concealed carry isn’t getting more play in the press or amongst the wingnuts.

24 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 10:47:43pm

Freeze proof

i’ve been on some dates where this quality would have been helpful

Dustproof

haven’t had any dates where i needed that yet thank god…

25 dell*nix  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 10:52:15pm

Did the person looking for compaq disks ever find them? This was about a month ago. Found some in my 3.5 disks.

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 25, 2013 11:20:02pm

re: #13 Lidane

I still don’t get how @KarlRove spent $400 million & lost all.

I think the implication is that obama “outspent” him using government largesse to buy voters with “free stuff from the governmnet”

28 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 12:55:10am

Kim Kardashian’s Marriage Advice: ‘Give It a Good Six Months Before You Commit’

Nothing like marriage advice from a pornstar turned tv whatever who has a new guy every 3 months, including the time she was married.

What a fucking joke.

29 freetoken  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 1:39:19am
30 freetoken  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 1:57:07am
31 freetoken  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 2:33:23am

WWE keeps working a Beck angle - tonight they released this video:

And on their show tonight good ol’ Zeb took a dig at Glenn too. I wonder how far WWE is going to push this.

32 freetoken  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 2:44:54am

Less than two hours before the next season cast of DWTS is announced…. shall I hold my breath?

33 freetoken  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 3:30:19am

…. still holding my breath ….

34 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 4:28:18am

Crunchy funk.

35 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 4:47:59am

FIREHOSE OF RAGE

36 Mattand  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:02:04am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

FIREHOSE OF RAGE

I really don’t recall this kind of rage being consistently directed at Laura Bush, or any other previous First Lady.

For the Magical Balance Fairy proponents out there, please note I indicated “consistent rage.”

37 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:06:40am

re: #36 Mattand

I really don’t recall this kind of rage being consistently directed at Laura Bush, or any other previous First Lady.

For the Magical Balance Fairy proponents out there, please note I indicated “consistent rage.”

I do not remember any rage directed at Laura Bush, ever. There was a lot of rage against Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Reagan. But nothing like what has been hurled at the present FLOTUS.

38 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:24:04am

First Godwin of the Day

39 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:32:44am

BWAHAHAA! Smoke signals & carrier pigeons.

40 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:32:58am

Looks like Berlusconi ran neck and neck in the Italian election returns.

41 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:34:13am

re: #40 dragonath

Looks like Berlusconi is running neck and neck in the Italian election returns.

Against whom?

42 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:36:50am

re: #37 Vicious Babushka

I do not remember any rage directed at Laura Bush, ever. There was a lot of rage against Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Reagan. But nothing like what has been hurled at the present FLOTUS.

There was some, but it wasn’t that common, it certainly wasn’t common among left-wing bloggers.

43 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:37:18am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

Against whom?

I think he’s running against Italian’s sense of anything reasonable and good. He’ll probably win, too.

44 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:37:39am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

And this is for you to have for your tweetings:

Image: kPnsL.png

45 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:39:54am

re: #44 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

And this is for you to have for your tweetings:

Image: kPnsL.png

People who qualify for the “free phone” program (which started with Reagan BTW) don’t get iPhones, they get a barebones “dumb phone” like my Motorola Z3.

46 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:41:20am

re: #41 Vicious Babushka

So far

Democratic Party 29.5

The People of Freedom 29.1

Beppe Grillo’s “Five Star Movement” 25.5

“Monti for Italy” 10.5

47 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:41:56am

re: #46 dragonath

So far

Democratic Party 29.5

The People of Freedom 29.1

Beppe Grillo’s “Five Star Movement” 25.5

“Monti for Italy” 10.5

What about that porn star?

48 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:43:02am
49 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:43:44am

Today’s idiocy alert: someone just compared Ashley Judd to Todd Akin apparently over comments that Judd made comparing mountaintop mining to the Rwandan genocide. Oh that someone? Grover Norquist.

Bad analogy. Nothing compares to Akin’s clear and present misogyny.

50 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:44:38am

Dear “empowered woman”: explain to Grandma why you killed Uncle Mark.

51 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:49:49am

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

What about that porn star?

Sen. Cicciolina is long gone, but her “Love Party” managed to elect at least one follow-on sex worker.

52 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 5:59:15am

This Grillo guy seems like a real prize. I also like how Berlusconi managed to trade out the Northern nationalists for some Southern ones.

53 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:09:10am
54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:12:17am

What right-wing racism? (Can’t embed the Tweet since it contains a link a white supremacist site).

55 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:12:59am

Guy is just spamming one Tweet after another to this white racist hate site.

56 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:22:38am
57 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:24:30am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

I saw a sign the other day “Get over your white gilt.”

First GIS for ‘white gilt’:

Image: RG-Chester-White-Gilt-2010-.jpg

58 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:29:22am

FIREHOSE OF RAGE

59 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:40:01am

re: #58 Vicious Babushka

FIREHOSE OF RAGE


Thunder-thigh Michelle Obama Says Hollywood sets an example for nation’s children i.e. sex, violence & murder wtim.es/13Pzbhb #tcot
— John Galt (@mzagorski) February 26, 2013

Hey “John” go tap your toes in a bathroom stall somewhere with diapers on before hitting the Appalachian trail with your favorite congressional page.

60 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:43:05am

John Galt is kind of an asshole.

61 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:44:05am

re: #60 dragonath

John Galt is kind of an asshole.

Which John Galt? All the assholes who use some variation of “John Galt” as their Twitter handle, or the character in the Ayn Rand novel.

They are all assholes.

62 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:48:10am

FIREHOSE OF RAGE

63 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:49:58am

Jersey Town to Use Rainforest Wood on Boardwalk

AVON, N.J. — Environmental groups say they’ll launch a boycott drive against a Jersey shore town that refuses to back off its plan to use tropical rainforest wood to rebuild a boardwalk destroyed by Superstorm Sandy.

The groups calculate that 766 acres of old-growth tropical rainforest needed to be cut down to provide materials to rebuild just one small storm-damaged boardwalk at the Jersey shore, and they’re promising a tourist season boycott if the town goes through with its plan.

Activists on Monday called on the small shore town of Avon to use something other than ipe (pronounced EE’-pay) to rebuild the boardwalk destroyed by the October storm but were rejected.

64 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:55:59am

re: #63 dragonath

Boardwalks along the Jersey Shore and Long Island and NYC were trashed by Sandy. Ipe has been a featured wood for the Coney Island Boardwalk, but Mayor Bloomberg has been pushing for replacements for the last couple of years. Synthetic woods haven’t held up as well, so the City was moving to eliminate the boardwalk and replace it with patterned concrete - which can handle the Parks Department and NYPD vehicles that regularly patrol the areas far better. It’s just not a boardwalk though.

Ipe was long chosen because of its durability, but it takes a toll on the rain forests and even sustainable forests of the stuff leave a mark on the ecology of the region.

In the end, it will probably be a mix of materials - synthetics and real hardwoods from other sources.

65 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:56:38am

FIREHOSE OF RAGE

66 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:57:22am

It’s more than just a FIREHOSE OF RAGE. I would have to call it the ERUPTING VOLCANO OF RAGE.

67 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 6:58:43am

This is just plain stupid. A random stock photo of the Oval Office proves what exactly?

68 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:00:53am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

This is just plain stupid. A random stock photo of the Oval Office proves what exactly?

Obama is obviously vacationing in Hawaii or something instead of being in the Oval Office saving Americans from dying in Benghazi!//

69 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:08:06am

I am so sick of this shit being spammed over and over.

70 darthstar  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:10:16am

Mornin’ everyone…It’s Tuesday…people are still upset about the Oscars?

71 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:14:56am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

FIREHOSE OF RAGE

Image: bush_carrier.jpg

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:17:52am

re: #71 Varek Raith

Image: bush_carrier.jpg

General Santa Ana smiling in the smouldering ruins of the Alamo with a banner behind him reading “Mission Accompished”

73 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:20:00am

So stupid I don’t know how it stays alive.

74 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:20:35am

Flat tax: LET THE POOR PAY MOAR TAX!

75 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:21:13am

WOLVERINES!!!!!1111

76 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:21:14am

re: #73 Vicious Babushka

So stupid I don’t know how it stays alive.

GOLD

77 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:21:30am

Good morning lizards!

78 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:22:56am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

WOLVERINES!!!!!1111

All I hear is their puny bullets bouncing off that vehicle’s hull…

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:26:25am

re: #78 Varek Raith

All I hear is their puny bullets bouncing off that vehicle’s hull…

I seem to recall that there is a 25mm chain gun in the turret of those. AP, HE & Incendiary rounds exist for that. Oops!

80 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:27:46am

They seriously think they can take on an actual army.
Morons.

81 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:37:39am

WINGNUT FAUTRAGE DU JOUR


“Forcing someone to violate her religion” in this case consists of the alleged “religious right” to deny an employee health care.

82 Mattand  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:38:48am

re: #80 Varek Raith

They seriously think they can take on an actual army.
Morons.

Good Lord, between that and the “IRS doesn’t receive e-filed tax returns” guy…

Seriously, Republicans, this is your core demographic. People who are so caught up in their own twisted paranoia that reality isn’t a viable option anymore.

The First Lady is a fat, cow-like racial expletive. The UN wants our guns. Obama is a socialist communist dictator who is a lackey of corporations. Women can magically not get pregnant from rape.

This list is endless.

This really doesn’t embarrass you at all? How do you guys look yourselves in the mirror after supporting this insanity?

83 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:41:14am

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

WOLVERINES!!!!!1111

You’ll like their site. Every page has got collection of those “founders” quotes you love.

[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

84 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:41:59am

re: #82 Mattand

Good Lord, between that and the “IRS doesn’t receive e-filed tax returns” guy…

Seriously, Republicans, this is your core demographic. People who are so caught up in their own twisted paranoia that reality isn’t a viable option anymore.

The First Lady is a fat, cow-like racial exploitive. The UN wants our guns. Obama is a socialist communist dictator who is a lackey of corporations. Women can magically not get pregnant from rape.

This list is endless.

This really doesn’t embarrass you at all? How do you guys look yourselves in the mirror after supporting this insanity?

Because by pandering to these elements they get votes and the contents of their wallets. What else matters once you have that?
//

85 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:43:13am

I am, in a world of derp.

87 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:46:35am

re: #85 Gus

I am, in a world of derp.

/Gomer Pile?

88 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:48:06am

re: #87 Ghost of Tom Joad

/Gomer Pile?

AKA Twitter. //

89 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:48:19am

re: #86 Gus

“The attack on the USS Cole for example was not a terror attack.”

Derp.

A rival for Jim Hoft for ‘dumbest man on the internet’??

90 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:49:11am

“Faith, Family, Freedom”… sounds like a Falangist slogan.

91 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:49:13am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

WINGNUT FAUTRAGE DU JOUR


“Forcing someone to violate her religion” in this case consists of the alleged “religious right” to deny an employee health care.

Small rant. Let me begin with a quote from the site linked in the tweet, which comes from the court transcript:

So, she’d have to give up the limitation that conceivably would befall on her regarding liability in order to exercise her religion? So, she’d have to go as an individual proprietor with no corporation protection in order to assert her religious right? Isn’t that as significant burden?

That’s a question from the judge. The background, summarized, is that she (Judge Walton’s wife) is sole owner of a corporation which employs her, its sole medical employee, to perform medical duties. In other words, the corporation is a legal entity to provide particular benefits and protections to what is essentially a solo practice.

The answer to the judge is that no, it is not a significant burden. The legal separation that gives protection also carries burdens, which are based in part on the idea that the person and the corporation are not the same — that the corporation is a person.

And a person cannot force its religious beliefs on another person.

It’s also wrong in phrasing the ‘religious rights’ portion. My religious rights do NOT include the right to discriminate against others in anything but the direct religious practice with other members of my religion. I cannot force others to obey my religious strictures. And the threat of “no job” is force.

92 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:49:29am

re: #87 Ghost of Tom Joad

/Gomer Pile?

I Will Teach You!

93 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:50:19am

re: #89 Dr. Matt

A rival for Jim Hoft for ‘dumbest man on the internet’??

The problem is Destro is intelligent, but is so laden with an anti-American (and other) agenda that he bends everything else in the universe to fit it. This leads to him defending genocidal warm criminals and other shenanigans.

The problems with politics in the world isn’t mainly stupidity, it’s smart people ignoring reality because Ideology.

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:50:47am

re: #86 Gus

“The attack on the USS Cole for example was not a terror attack.”

Derp.

Wow. That’s such a complete miss of a number of concepts it’s scary.

95 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:50:55am

re: #86 Gus

The attack on the USS Cole for example was not a terror attack.

Derp.

Don’t you know? Those enlistees were just ASKING for it!

/////

96 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:52:00am

re: #95 dragonath

Don’t you know? Those enlistees were just ASKING for it!

/////

Blowback. //

97 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:53:34am

Got up. Started drinking my coffee while reading that and this. Mah brain.

98 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:54:11am

re: #95 dragonath

Don’t you know? Those enlistees were just ASKING for it!

/////

The point he’s making is trivially true: it was an attack on a military asset, not civilians. It was still a terrorist attack, carried out by terrorists in an attempt not to defeat the US militarily— the number of deaths and the material destroyed is utterly insignificant— but to affect the civilian population.

“Terrorist” isn’t an inherently negative phrase, either. Chuck Yeager, when he was with the French Resistance, became in his own words a ‘terrorist bomber’. He blew up (military) trains with the Maquis. Part of what they were trying to do was to scare collaborators into not wanting to drive those troop trains.

99 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:54:12am

re: #86 Gus

“The attack on the USS Cole for example was not a terror attack.”

Derp.

I thought of the Cole recently in relation to the frustration about so little progress in getting those responsible for Benghazi. We’re still hitting Cole related targets today. If you pay close attention to the bios of the drone strike targets, every once in a while you’ll see someone who had a hand in the Cole attack. Shit takes time.

100 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:55:17am

re: #90 dragonath

“Faith, Family, Freedom”… sounds like a Falangist slogan.

hmmm. Where have I heard a similar alliterative slogan. Oh, yes: Kinder, Kirche, Küche

101 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:56:10am

I wonder if the same standard is upheld with State Department officials? There have been many attacks against embassies in the past, Libya not withstanding. Destro blames US involvement there for everything bad in Northern Africa, so he probably would.

102 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:56:17am

This guy spam-Tweets this crap twice a minute. He’s the gift that keeps on giving.

103 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:56:44am

re: #98 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

“Terrorist” isn’t an inherently negative phrase, either. Chuck Yeager, when he was with the French Resistance, became in his own words a ‘terrorist bomber’. He blew up (military) trains with the Maquis. Part of what they were trying to do was to scare collaborators into not wanting to drive those troop trains.

When did he refer to himself as a ‘terrorist bomber’? I read his autobiography, several times in fact. Albeit, it’s been about 15+ years.

104 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:57:01am
105 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:57:33am
106 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:58:13am

re: #103 Dr. Matt

When did he refer to himself as a ‘terrorist bomber’? I read his autobiography, several times in fact. Albeit, it’s been about 15+ years.

I don’t know what else to tell you except it’s in the section where he is working with the Maquis. I am 100% sure that he self-describes as a terrorist. He also admits that he did things that he personally considered a war crime. It’s a great autobiography, a very honest one. Bears re-reading.

107 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:58:37am

re: #101 dragonath

I wonder if the same standard is upheld with State Department officials? There have been many attacks against embassies in the past, Libya not withstanding. Destro blames US involvement there for everything bad in Northern Africa, so he probably would.

His disdain for the US is obvious. Everything that is wrong in the world is the fault of the United States.

108 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 7:59:30am

re: #98 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The point he’s making is trivially true: it was an attack on a military asset, not civilians. It was still a terrorist attack, carried out by terrorists in an attempt not to defeat the US militarily— the number of deaths and the material destroyed is utterly insignificant— but to affect the civilian population.

“Terrorist” isn’t an inherently negative phrase, either. Chuck Yeager, when he was with the French Resistance, became in his own words a ‘terrorist bomber’. He blew up (military) trains with the Maquis. Part of what they were trying to do was to scare collaborators into not wanting to drive those troop trains.

Never knew that Yeager helped the French Resistance during WWII. Anyhow, strange that he would use it in a positive context. I’m so used to hearing it as a pejorative.

109 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:01:35am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Never knew that Yeager helped the French Resistance during WWII. Anyhow, strange that he would use it in a positive context. I’m so used to hearing it as a pejorative.

Causing terror to the civilian collaborators was definitely seen as a virtue during WWII. The whole subject gets wonky there because there was a lot of deliberate targeting of civilians to ‘break’ morale in WWII, with a huge debate about whether it was actually effective at all. Certainly wasn’t effective against the British or the Finns.

110 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:02:10am

What the hell?

NY Assemblyman walks back defense of blackface, apology called ‘feeble’

After initially defending his use of blackface at a costume party, Brooklyn lawmaker Dov Hikind apologized Monday, saying his “intentions were pure.”

111 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:03:20am

re: #110 NJDhockeyfan

I kinda hoped the Onion’s forthright and complete apology was going to inspire a new era in actual apologies, but it doesn’t look like it.

I’ve met that Dov guy.

112 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:03:59am

re: #109 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Causing terror to the civilian collaborators was definitely seen as a virtue during WWII. The whole subject gets wonky there because there was a lot of deliberate targeting of civilians to ‘break’ morale in WWII, with a huge debate about whether it was actually effective at all. Certainly wasn’t effective against the British or the Finns.

Right, I understand that. Just surprised that he used the word “terrorist” for himself but as I said, I’m used to hearing the word in a negative context and I think Yeager wrote that autobiography years ago. Good point about the Brits and Finns. The Finns defeat of the Soviets in the Winter War was an amazing accomplishment. Speaking of collaborators, the Military Channel had this great series about Nazi collaborators. Found it fascinating.

113 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:05:54am

re: #82 Mattand

Good Lord, between that and the “IRS doesn’t receive e-filed tax returns” guy…

Seriously, Republicans, this is your core demographic. People who are so caught up in their own twisted paranoia that reality isn’t a viable option anymore.

The First Lady is a fat, cow-like racial expletive. The UN wants our guns. Obama is a socialist communist dictator who is a lackey of corporations. Women can magically not get pregnant from rape.

This list is endless.

This really doesn’t embarrass you at all? How do you guys look yourselves in the mirror after supporting this insanity?

I noticed that LGF conservatives usually avoid even discussing their own party.

115 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:06:37am

re: #110 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell?

NY Assemblyman walks back defense of blackface, apology called ‘feeble’

What he did was just stupid. There were so many other clever, non-offensive costume ideas there was no reason for him to choose blackface.

Now, the family that dressed in buckskin and feathers was adorable. Obviously they were inspired by Mel Brooks as the Indian chief in Blazing Saddles. :)

116 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:06:40am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

My (Jewish) grandfather briefly met Wernher von Braun.

117 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:08:03am

re: #116 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

My (Jewish) grandfather briefly met Wernher von Braun.

That had to been interesting for him.

118 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:10:16am

Dov Hikind was spectacularly wrong. I’ve met him on any number occasions, and it’s actually amazing to see someone who normally understands the importance of media and is seen as being media savvy to be so tone deaf over just how inappropriate and hurtful his blackface costume for Purim was.

119 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:10:23am

re: #86 Gus

“The attack on the USS Cole for example was not a terror attack.”

Derp.

Then neither was the consulate attack in Benghazi.

120 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:11:23am

Anyhow, been doing some research on Eastern European resistance movements in WWII since I’ve considered getting one of their symbols as a tattoo(my grandfather’s cousins were part of the Yugoslav resistance not sure if Partisans or Chetniks), anyhow, seems that a lot of the left wing resistance movements have a mixed legacy because a lot of nationalists blame them for the ushering in of Communism after the war. And some collaborators who were motivated by nationalism to collaborate are seen in some especially right wing/nationalist quarters as heroes. Hell, it’s like that in Western Europe to some degree too. I know LePen in France for example constantly defends Marshal Petain.

121 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:13:24am

Dov Hikind:

Racial profiling

Hikind has urged the New York Police Department to implement a policy of racial profiling in subway bag searches, which would affect individuals who appear to be Muslim. He held up photos of Muslim men at a news conference and said: “The individuals involved [in terrorism] basically look like this. Why must police think twice before examining people of a particular group?” Hikind defends this policy on the grounds that it would work far more effectively to combat terrorism than the current policy, instituted in 2004, which uses random bag searches.

Searches based on racial profiling have been called racist and demeaning by civil rights groups. The NYPD released a statement against Hikind’s proposal of racial profiling, saying that “Racial profiling is illegal, of doubtful effectiveness, and against department policy”.

Same-sex marriage

After voting against a same-sex marriage bill in the New York State Assembly, Hikind noted that same-sex marriage can lead to the acceptance of incest, maintaining that, “If we authorize gay marriage in the state of New York, those who want to live and love incestuously will be five steps closer to achieving their goals as well.” On June 15, 2011, after the New York State Assembly passed a bill to legalize gay marriage, Hikind said gay marriage is wrong in the eyes of God.

122 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:15:36am

ZOMG! Creeping Sharia!

Derp.

123 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:15:52am

re: #118 lawhawk

Dov Hikind was spectacularly wrong. I’ve met him on any number occasions, and it’s actually amazing to see someone who normally understands the importance of media and is seen as being media savvy to be so tone deaf over just how inappropriate and hurtful his blackface costume for Purim was.

Seriously. It’s bad for the Jewish community as well. As an assemblyman in Brooklyn, Brooklyn of all places, he should have known better. To even do this and then just blow it off.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:17:51am

Freepers are lovin’ this thread based on M. Stanton Evans’s revisionist McCarthy book, Blacklisted by History.

“Joe McCarthy Was Right All Along”

Many officials and public figures highlighted by Joseph McCarthy (among others), who, we have since learned from US and Soviet archives, were secret agents and fellow-traveling supporters of Stalin.

There is no list of names. They must have left it in McCarthy’s pocket when they buried him.

There is the usual confusion of chronology and failure to distinguish McCarthy from HUAC. The Venona transcripts are credited with vindicating McCarthy, while in fact they do largely the opposite. Comments focus on some genuine (though disputed) cases in which McCarthy had a peripheral involvement and completely ignore the colossal failure and disgusting tactics of his 1953-54 witch hunt. I wonder if these people believe McCarthy’s claim that General Marshall and President Eisenhower were commie conspirators? Evans’s latest project, Stalin’s Secret Agents: The Subversion of Roosevelt’s Government, is aimed largely at discrediting US World War II policy. It is of a piece with Patrick Buchanan’s masterpiece, Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War. This is reflected in the long-standing but seldom stated John Birch Society claim that the US fought on the wrong side in WWII or should at least have stayed neutral while the Nazis and the Japanese militarists looted and slaughtered their way through the rest of the world.

Anne Coulter was on this bandwagon way back in 2003. Coulter paying her respects at McCarthy’s grave in 2003.

125 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:19:27am

Because this makes it so much better:

126 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:21:21am

re: #125 Lidane

Because this makes it so much better:

I saw that and thought to myself, “well, that’s nice of them.” /

127 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:22:05am

re: #126 Gus

I saw that and thought to myself, “well, that’s nice white of them.” /

ftfy

128 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:23:44am

Chris Christie has gone from 2016 contender to persona non grata in just a few months:

129 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:25:11am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers are lovin’ this thread based on M. Stanton Evans’s revisionist McCarthy book, Blacklisted by History.

“Joe McCarthy Was Right All Along”

There is no list of names. They must have left it in McCarthy’s pocket when they buried him.

There is the usual confusion of chronology and failure to distinguish McCarthy from HUAC. The Venona transcripts are credited with vindicating McCarthy, while in fact they do largely the opposite. Comments focus on some genuine (though disputed) cases in which McCarthy had a peripheral involvement and completely ignore the colossal failure and disgusting tactics of his 1953-54 witch hunt. I wonder if these people believe McCarthy’s claim that General Marshall and President Eisenhower were commie conspirators? Evans’s latest project, Stalin’s Secret Agents: The Subversion of Roosevelt’s Government, is aimed largely at discrediting US World War II policy. It is of a piece with Patrick Buchanan’s masterpiece, Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War. This is reflected in the long-standing but seldom stated John Birch Society claim that the US fought on the wrong side in WWII or should at least have stayed neutral while the Nazis and the Japanese militarists looted and slaughtered their way through the rest of the world.

Anne Coulter was on this bandwagon way back in 2003. Coulter paying her respects at McCarthy’s grave in 2003.

Shit, I believe even Jonah Goldberg of all people called out Coulter’s craziness then and pointed out that the Truman Administration especially was not what you could call Communist sympathetic. Anyhow, this McCarthy was right crap just sucks. He attacked the loyalty of many American men and women including Marshall. I don’t think McCarthy ever went after Ike though but the Birchers sure as shit did.

130 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:26:00am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

Freepers are lovin’ this thread based on M. Stanton Evans’s revisionist McCarthy book, Blacklisted by History.

“Joe McCarthy Was Right All Along”

There is no list of names. They must have left it in McCarthy’s pocket when they buried him.

There is the usual confusion of chronology and failure to distinguish McCarthy from HUAC. The Venona transcripts are credited with vindicating McCarthy, while in fact they do largely the opposite. Comments focus on some genuine (though disputed) cases in which McCarthy had a peripheral involvement and completely ignore the colossal failure and disgusting tactics of his 1953-54 witch hunt. I wonder if these people believe McCarthy’s claim that General Marshall and President Eisenhower were commie conspirators? Evans’s latest project, Stalin’s Secret Agents: The Subversion of Roosevelt’s Government, is aimed largely at discrediting US World War II policy. It is of a piece with Patrick Buchanan’s masterpiece, Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War. This is reflected in the long-standing but seldom stated John Birch Society claim that the US fought on the wrong side in WWII or should at least have stayed neutral while the Nazis and the Japanese militarists looted and slaughtered their way through the rest of the world.

Anne Coulter was on this bandwagon way back in 2003. Coulter paying her respects at McCarthy’s grave in 2003.

DERP.

131 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:27:56am

re: #128 Lidane

Chris Christie has gone from 2016 contender to persona non grata in just a few months:

He really has fallen a long way since October with them. I don’t like Chris Christie at all but it really says a lot about that party and ideology that they’d shit on him and make him persona non grata because he asked for aid for his state following a natural disaster. Anyhow, he’s too good for them and I say that as someone who doesn’t like Christie.

132 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:29:38am

Wingnut spambots swarming TGDN, the only way you can tell them from the regular wingnuts is the random collection of letters in the account name & no Benghazi twibbon.

133 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:29:47am

re: #128 Lidane

All because he did the right thing by his NJ constituents by working with the Obama Administration and coming out and saying that he’s going to do what he needs to do to make sure NJ gets the disaster aid it needs and deserves.

That caused a whole lot of butthurt among GOPers and TPers, so they’re now taking it out on him.

Yet, doing so might actually be a liberating moment for Christie since he doesn’t need the conservatives to win reelection in NJ and could hasten the crackup of the GOP generally. Christie might be about the only GOPer in a 2016 field who has a chance of winning a blue state. Everyone else who is considering a run has no chance, and isn’t likely to expand the map from what Romney did last year.

Rubio? Jindal? Bachmann? Santorum? Paul?

Santorum comes closest, having represented PA in the past, but they tossed him out of office and he couldn’t even win his home state in the 2012 primaries.

That goes to just how the GOP is marginalizing itself to a Southern strategy and lacking a candidate that can appeal outside of the socon havens.

134 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:30:53am

re: #133 lawhawk

All because he did the right thing by his NJ constituents by working with the Obama Administration and coming out and saying that he’s going to do what he needs to do to make sure NJ gets the disaster aid it needs and deserves.

That caused a whole lot of butthurt among GOPers and TPers, so they’re now taking it out on him.

Yet, doing so might actually be a liberating moment for Christie since he doesn’t need the conservatives to win reelection in NJ and could hasten the crackup of the GOP generally. Christie might be about the only GOPer in a 2016 field who has a chance of winning a blue state. Everyone else who is considering a run has no chance, and isn’t likely to expand the map from what Romney did last year.

Rubio? Jindal? Bachmann? Santorum? Paul?

Santorum comes closest, having represented PA in the past, but they tossed him out of office and he couldn’t even win his home state in the 2012 primaries.

That goes to just how the GOP is marginalizing itself to a Southern strategy and lacking a candidate that can appeal outside of the socon havens.

Chris Christie is like SO NOT INVITED to CPAC!

135 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:32:31am

Meghan McCain haz a sad:

Sorry, Meghan. The current state of the GOP is what happens when you spend 40+ years openly appealing to the bigots, the ignorant, and the mouth-breathers. It’s going to take a long, long time for the Republican party to recover, if they manage it at all.

136 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:32:34am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

He really has fallen a long way since October with them. I don’t like Chris Christie at all but it really says a lot about that party and ideology that they’d shit on him and make him persona non grata because he asked for aid for his state following a natural disaster. Anyhow, he’s too good for them and I say that as someone who doesn’t like Christie.

It’s not like he’s an Obama-loving pinko commie either. He pretty much checks off almost all of the weaponized-wingnut boxes, but just like Huntsman, even the slightest amount of bipartisanship with Obama and you’re a leper to them. The media drones on and on about the need to work together, bipartisanship, and reaching across aisles, but the second a Republican does it, they’re immediately voted off the island.

But, hey, it works for me, because the Republicans will continue to shit on their only nationally electable candidates in favor of fire-breathing morons who pander to their ODS.

137 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:33:28am

[Link: gawker.com…]
In which the Million Moms better known for saying Ellen DeGeneres’s problem is she coneys an image of LGBT people being “too nice and normal” and freaking out over her in JCPenney complain about Geico promoting bestiality. Also included my new favorite Geico ad. Mutumbo was such a fun center to watch back in the day and he’s a great humanitarian too.

138 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:34:07am

re: #133 lawhawk

All because he did the right thing by his NJ constituents by working with the Obama Administration and coming out and saying that he’s going to do what he needs to do to make sure NJ gets the disaster aid it needs and deserves.

That caused a whole lot of butthurt among GOPers and TPers, so they’re now taking it out on him.

Yet, doing so might actually be a liberating moment for Christie since he doesn’t need the conservatives to win reelection in NJ and could hasten the crackup of the GOP generally. Christie might be about the only GOPer in a 2016 field who has a chance of winning a blue state. Everyone else who is considering a run has no chance, and isn’t likely to expand the map from what Romney did last year.

Rubio? Jindal? Bachmann? Santorum? Paul?

Santorum comes closest, having represented PA in the past, but they tossed him out of office and he couldn’t even win his home state in the 2012 primaries.

That goes to just how the GOP is marginalizing itself to a Southern strategy and lacking a candidate that can appeal outside of the socon havens.

Yes, one of the few who could win a blue state. That basically means he can’t win the primaries, where all the voters are basically shades of red.

139 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:35:47am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

[Link: gawker.com…]
In which the Million Moms better known for saying Ellen DeGeneres’s problem is she coneys an image of LGBT people being “too nice and normal” and freaking out over her in JCPenney complain about Geico promoting bestiality. Also included my new favorite Geico ad. Mutumbo was such a fun center to watch back in the day and he’s a great humanitarian too.

[Embedded content]

Geez. Get a grip people. The GEICO ad is a METAPHOR. It’s not an actual pig, it’s how the girl sees her date.

140 Professor Chaos  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:37:20am

re: #125 Lidane

Because this makes it so much better:

New Indiana bill features 50% less government-mandated rape.

If you’re a wingnut is this a bug or a feature?

141 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:37:39am

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

Geez. Get a grip people. The GEICO ad is a METAPHOR. It’s not an actual pig, it’s how the girl sees her date.

WHO YOU CALLIN A METIFOR?!?!?!

142 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:38:18am

re: #136 Ghost of Tom Joad

It’s not like he’s an Obama-loving pinko commie either. He pretty much checks off almost all of the weaponized-wingnut boxes, but just like Huntsman, even the slightest amount of bipartisanship with Obama and you’re a leper to them. The media drones on and on about the need to work together, bipartisanship, and reaching across aisles, but the second a Republican does it, they’re immediately voted off the island.

But, hey, it works for me, because the Republicans will continue to shit on their only nationally electable candidates in favor of fire-breathing morons who pander to their ODS.

Yeah, they loved him until he appeared with Obama after Sandy and was appreciative of the fact that the feds were helping him. I think Christie’s going to get the Huntsman treatment in the 2016 primary. Two term(assuming he’s re-elected which I think is reasonable) governor with good conservative creds but doesn’t view Obama like the devil. They’re going to end up nominating someone unacceptable to most Americans and then they’ll bitch yet again that their nominee wasn’t conservative enough.

143 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:38:35am

re: #140 Professor Chaos

New Indiana bill features 50% less government-mandated rape.

If you’re a wingnut is this a bug or a feature?

A bug. Wingnuts favor even more government-mandated rape and punishment of those evil sluts who have sex without their permission.

144 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:38:36am

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder if they realize that Simple J. Malarkey lost them the House for the next 40 years. Insinuating that the American electorate wasn’t pure enough in 1954 doesn’t seem like much of an electoral strategy.

145 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:39:23am

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

Geez. Get a grip people. The GEICO ad is a METAPHOR. It’s not an actual pig, it’s how the girl sees her date.

As I said, it’s the Million Moms who flipped their shit over Ellen appearing in a JC Penney ad and they even admitted that Ellen’s “problem” is she doesn’t portray their image as a GLBT person being an immoral freak.

146 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:40:43am

re: #138 kirkspencer

Yes, one of the few who could win a blue state. That basically means he can’t win the primaries, where all the voters are basically shades of red.

50 shades of red rage where only the most crimson have a shot at winning and the moderates get marginalized to satisfy the party faithful.

Christie has gone from keynote speaker to outcast in the span of six months.

147 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:41:29am
148 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:42:07am

re: #147 Gus

“We”…? How long is she going to keep up the Christopher Buckley act?

149 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:42:19am

re: #138 kirkspencer

Yes, one of the few who could win a blue state. That basically means he can’t win the primaries, where all the voters are basically shades of red.

I honestly think he was going to have this problem even before he asked for Sandy aid money. Christie’s style just doesn’t seem to be what one needs to win the early Republican primaries. Seems to me that most of the Republicans nominated in recent memory either have a rural or suburban type style. Christie very much is urban New Jersey. I just didn’t and especially don’t see that now flying in early states like South Carolina, New Hampshire, and Iowa. NH would be his best shot of those three. I think he’ll end up like Huntsman or Giuliani. Someone hypothetically ivable in a national election but rejected because he doesn’t always tell the GOP primary voters what they want to hear.

150 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:42:42am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

I could see him becoming a VP pick for whoever comes out of those primaries. He’d make a great attack dog for whoever is at the top of the ticket instead of a moron like Palin or a pathetic little weasel like Ryan, plus bump their ‘bipartisany’ street-cred with the indies. They might even peel off Jersey or something if the Dems shit the bed with their candidate (if it’s an unknown assuming Hillary or Biden aren’t in it).

Hypotheticals.

151 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:43:00am

re: #147 Gus

A little too late there…
Your party was warned repeatedly about this shit.
They ignored it.
They are a lost cause.

152 gwangung  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:43:07am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

I honestly think he was going to have this problem even before he asked for Sandy aid money. Christie’s style just doesn’t seem to be what one needs to win the early Republican primaries. Seems to me that most of the Republicans nominated in recent memory either have a rural or suburban type style. Christie very much is urban New Jersey. I just didn’t and especially don’t see that now flying in early states like South Carolina, New Hampshire, and Iowa. NH would be his best shot of those three. I think he’ll end up like Huntsman or Giuliani. Someone hypothetically ivable in a national election but rejected because he doesn’t always tell the GOP primary voters what they want to hear.

Urban style would REALLY help the GOP, given that the majority of people actually live in urban areas.

153 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:43:52am

re: #151 Varek Raith

A little too late there…
Your party was warned repeatedly about this shit.
They ignored it.
They are a lost cause.

You read my mind. Was about to Tweet that too her.

The Republican Party. The party of the lost cause.

154 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:45:13am

I vote Democratic, but I really don’t get the almost Borg-like collective party identification that I see a lot on the right.

155 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:45:20am

re: #147 Gus

Frankly, her father had a part to play in that. I like Meaghan. She seems like a nice person and not filled with the so-con rage that dominates her party but she’s delusional about what her party really is.

156 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:45:21am

re: #147 Gus

I’ll take her bullshit seriously when she walks up to dear old Dad and kicks him straight in the balls. He’s one of the primary examples of what has gone wrong with the GOP.

157 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:46:03am

re: #156 Ghost of Tom Joad

I’ll take her bullshit seriously when she walks up to dear old Dad and kicks him straight in the balls. He’s one of the primary examples of what has gone wrong with the GOP.

Well, she’s not answerable to her father really.

158 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:46:08am

re: #152 gwangung

Urban style would REALLY help the GOP, given that the majority of people actually live in urban areas.

No shit says the rural suburbanite.

159 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:47:43am

Loyalty to a political party is a pretty stupid idea.

160 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:48:18am
161 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:48:33am

re: #159 dragonath

Loyalty to a political party is a pretty stupid idea.

The sports teamifcation of politics.

162 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:49:10am

Only one re-Tweet. Mine. I imagine people are afraid of re-Tweeting that. :| Navy. Military. Ooga booga. It’s about the Navy going green.

163 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:49:58am

re: #160 Gus

What’s It Like to Land on an Aircraft Carrier?

[Embedded content]

Here’s me.

“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!”

164 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:50:08am

Awesome, I broke it.

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:50:59am

re: #163 Varek Raith

Here’s me.

“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!”

Soooooooooooooooon offfffffffffffff a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch. Shit after watching Flight on Friday night, I’m nervous about flying next month. Really hope that’s not an in flight movie.

166 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:51:23am

Yep. Here ya go. A comment on Youtube.

[douche]”We took off in our Green Jet and bombed two schools, a water treatment plant and a hospital, I’ve never been so proud of my Sustainable Green Military.”

-Julia Warmonger[/douche]

167 gwangung  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:52:01am

re: #163 Varek Raith

Here’s me.

“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHSSSSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!”

I thought that was EVERY pilot.

168 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:53:00am

Wow! Freeper “searching 1-2-3” is in the middle of a one-person uprising against the “McCarthy was right” mob.

The messages in this thread contain factual ignorance which is truly breathtaking.

I understand the desire to pretend that McCarthy never made a mistake or that he had some sort of exceptional insights which his critics did not want to acknowledge as accurate.

I suggest that everyone here review the FBI investigative file captioned “Alleged Communists in the State Department” (FBI HQ file 121-23278). It eviscerates most of the assertions made by McCarthy.

As the former Assistant Director of the FBI wrote in his 1979 memoir about McCarthy’s claim regarding “57” Communists in the State Department:

“We didn’t have enough evidence to show there was a single Communist in the State Department, let alone fifty-seven cases.”

As FBI Special Agent Robert Lamphere wrote in his 1968 book, “The FBI-KGB War: A Special Agent’s Story”,

“McCarthy’s star chamber proceedings, his lies and overstatements hurt our counterintelligence efforts.”

He also quotes this gem from the anti-McCarthy literature:

“The Communist Party in this country has attempted to infiltrate and subvert every segment of our society, but its continuing efforts have not achieved success of any substance. Too many self-styled experts on communism, without valid credentials and without any access whatsoever to classified factual data regarding the inner workings of the conspiracy, have engaged in rumor-mongering and hurling false and wholly unsubstantiated allegations against persons whose views differ from their own. This is dangerous business. It is divisive and unintelligent, and makes more difficult the task of the professional investigator.”

This was written by none other than the noted comsymp J. Edgar Hoover, in a February 5, 1962 letter to Mrs. W.R. Brown of Bountiful Utah.

Searching 123’s website, McCarthy, is a gold mine on McCarthy’s errors and fabrications, including much information from declassified FBI reports.

169 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:53:23am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Soooooooooooooooon offfffffffffffff a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch. Shit after watching Flight on Friday night, I’m nervous about flying next month. Really hope that’s not an in flight movie.

Airlines do not include movies about aircraft disasters as part of their in flight entertainment selections, for obvious reasons.

ALSO: DO NOT GET BOOK by Dana Haynes, for same reason.

170 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:54:07am
kingdo goodbomber 36 minutes ago

what a stupid piece of propaganda. Mother Jones should be ashamed posting this militarist garbage. Did you drop any toxic DU munitions on children from your Green Death Machine before you landed?

Fucktard.
Doesn’t even know what DU means nor that they aren’t in bombs.
Also, militarist?
Lol.

171 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:56:19am

These fucktards who co-opt the Holocaust for their own gun control paranoid delusions are enraging.

172 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:56:25am

re: #170 Varek Raith

Fucktard.
Doesn’t even know what DU means nor that they aren’t in bombs.
Also, militarist?
Lol.

Yeah. Take a look. I’m the only one that re-Tweeted it.

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:56:29am

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

Airlines do not include movies about aircraft disasters as part of their in flight entertainment selections, for obvious reasons.

ALSO: DO NOT GET BOOK by Dana Haynes, for same reason.

I figured as much. And yeah believe me I don’t like reading about airplane disasters. For the longest time, I had a fear of flying.

174 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:58:21am

I was a little surprised that lead is still used in airline fuel.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

175 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:58:46am

Incoming!
Image: 8505379.jpg

176 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 8:59:13am

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

These fucktards who co-opt the Holocaust for their own gun control paranoid delusions are enraging.

I don’t even know where to start with how wrong that is. I mean not just the attempt to equate gun control with the Holocaust but to claim that the victims of the Holocaust were killed by “their government” is dishonest too.

178 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:00:00am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I don’t even know where to start with how wrong that is. I mean not just the attempt to equate gun control with the Holocaust but to claim that the victims of the Holocaust were killed by “their government” is dishonest too.

In most cases they were killed by a conquering government, not their own.

179 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:00:23am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Incoming!
Image: 8505379.jpg

Shockwave coming out of that is awesome. Looks like it moved tens of thousands of gallons of water.

180 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:01:17am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I don’t even know where to start with how wrong that is. I mean not just the attempt to equate gun control with the Holocaust but to claim that the victims of the Holocaust were killed by “their government” is dishonest too.

For some reason, the Holocaust has come to be viewed merely as a symbol of a people oppressed and persecuted by a tyrannical government.

The particulars and details don’t matter, it’s just the “Big bad government destroying the little people who only want freedom” narrative that’s of interest.

181 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:02:10am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

In most cases they were killed by a conquering government, not their own.

Yep. Pesky little facts though never seem to bother tgdn tho.

182 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:02:53am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

For some reason, the Holocaust has come to be viewed merely as a symbol of a people oppressed and persecuted by a tyrannical government.

The particulars and details don’t matter, it’s just the “Big bad government destroying the little people who only want freedom” narrative that’s of interest.

I have also noticed that almost everyone at TGDN who has posted a Godwin Tweet, or includes the flag of Israel in their avatar, describes themselves in their Twitter profile as “Christian.”

That said, there are sadly too many Jewish wingnuts who have called me a JINO for supporting Obama.

183 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:03:46am

re: #179 Ghost of Tom Joad

Battleships look so cool. By comparison, I’d hate being the artist tasked to make this look good in a picture.

184 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:05:00am
185 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:05:28am

It’s a stupid argument really because any military conqueror is going to confiscate guns among a civilian population. Really, to act like gun control caused the Holocaust is such an insulting thing to do to the victims of the Holocaust. And shit, Obama’s not even proposing mass gun confiscation. Really these people want to be victims so bad and make Red Dawn into a fucking documentary so bad.

186 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:07:24am

re: #174 dragonath

It’s used in avgas, not jet fuel. Jet fuel is a different composition from avgas (which is used in small planes, like Cessnas). But there’s a move to phase out the lead in avgas, which might actually result in avgas being phased out in favor of another kind of fuel.

187 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:08:33am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

It’s a stupid argument really because any military conqueror is going to confiscate guns among a civilian population. Really, to act like gun control caused the Holocaust is such an insulting thing to do to the victims of the Holocaust. And shit, Obama’s not even proposing mass gun confiscation. Really these people want to be victims so bad and make Red Dawn into a fucking documentary so bad.

They don’t care about insulting victims of the Holocaust, they only want to co-opt the Holocaust so that they can portray themselves as the victims.

I keep asking the wingnuts, “If Obama is exactly like Hitler, how come you are not in TwitterAuschwitz.” So far the only response is to scream BLOCK BABUSHKA TEH LIBRUL TROLL!

188 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:08:40am

re: #184 Lidane

Good. “International communications involving Americans.”

189 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:09:05am

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Murad II oppresses Janissaries, confiscates guns

190 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:09:34am

The derp will be glorious:

191 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:15:15am

re: #182 Vicious Babushka

I have also noticed that almost everyone at TGDN who has posted a Godwin Tweet, or includes the flag of Israel in their avatar, describes themselves in their Twitter profile as “Christian.”

That said, there are sadly too many Jewish wingnuts who have called me a JINO for supporting Obama.

Your religious beliefs are not determined by whom you support at the polls.

I know you know that, I’m just saying things like that, that grate on you as a Jewish person, also grate on me as a Christian.

192 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:16:24am

re: #147 Gus

Reap. Sow.

193 dragonath  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:16:24am

Waaait a second. Did Graham just vote “aye”?

194 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:18:02am

re: #193 dragonath

Waaait a second. Did Graham just vote “aye”?

If he did, I guess he thought his prospective primary challenger doesn’t get the news.

195 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:18:37am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

Your religious beliefs are not determined by whom you support at the polls.

I know you know that, I’m just saying things like that, that grate on you as a Jewish person, also grate on me as a Christian.

I can make political decisions that are not tied to my religious beliefs and practices. That said, I would not vote for an outright anti-Semite, or an outright racist, since such a person would also be a poor choice politically.

196 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:18:48am

Hamas deny Ashkelon rocket fired from Gaza

Hamas spokesman on Tuesday denied that the rocket that exploded in Ashkelon earlier in the day was fired from Gaza, Palestinian news agency Ma’an reported.

“This is only a lie. None of the Gaza Strip factions claimed responsibility for firing that missile, and the government is checking all the details,” Ma’an quoted Ehab al-Ghussein as saying in a statement.

The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for firing the rocket.

197 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:19:41am

Coburn, Aye.
Collins, Aye
Johnson, No
Murray, Aye
Brown, Aye
Warner, Aye
Cain, Aye
Burr, Aye
Landreau, Aye


And so it goes…

198 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:19:57am

BENGHAZI

199 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:20:21am

re: #197 lawhawk

Coburn, Aye.
Collins, Aye
Johnson, No
Murray, Aye
Brown, Aye
Warner, Aye
Cain, Aye
Burr, Aye
Landreau, Aye

And so it goes…

Coburn, there’s a surprise.

200 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:20:22am

Menendez, Aye
Thune, Aye
Cantwell, Aye
Heller, No
Sessions, Aye

201 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:20:58am

Lee, No
Murphy, Aye
Toomey, No

202 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:22:00am

Can’t wait to see how McConnell voted.

203 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:22:01am

Johnson (SD), Aye
Schumer, Aye


Anyone getting the theme here? This is passing - handily.

204 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:22:07am

Hahahaha:

205 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:24:00am
206 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:24:21am
207 darthstar  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:24:36am

Glad to see Hagel’s finally getting his vote and the GOP are being exposed for what they are…TV camera addicted drama queens. At least we’ve heard the last of Benghazi…I hope.

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:25:23am

So, this was just a stunt. Yawn.

209 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:25:56am

re: #207 darthstar

Glad to see Hagel’s finally getting his vote and the GOP are being exposed for what they are…TV camera addicted drama queens. At least we’ve heard the last of Benghazi…I hope.

McCain and Huckleberry are shameless showboating old cranks. They should both be ashamed of themselves.

210 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:26:23am

re: #207 darthstar

At least we’ve heard the last of Benghazi…I hope.

Dreamer.

It will most often be seen with one of these in front of it: #

211 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:27:42am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Well, this is the cloture vote to bring to the floor for a full vote.

And when Hagel does come up for the actual confirmation vote, he will be confirmed, but the actual votes for and against will probably differ by a couple of votes. Some GOPers may strategically opt to vote against him in the confirmation, but wanted to bring it to a floor vote to get it off the table from a political standpoint.

212 darthstar  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:28:09am
213 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:28:24am

DERP

214 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:28:54am

re: #211 lawhawk

Well, this is the cloture vote to bring to the floor for a full vote.

And when Hagel does come up for the actual confirmation vote, he will be confirmed, but the actual votes for and against will probably differ by a couple of votes. Some GOPers may strategically opt to vote against him in the confirmation, but wanted to bring it to a floor vote to get it off the table from a political standpoint.

Yeah I see that now. Thought this was the confirmation vote until I realized it was just the the cloture.

215 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:30:02am

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

headaches, dizziness, sleep deprivation.

That’s what I get when I read too many Fischer tweets. Can we take him down now?

216 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:30:43am

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Hey, Bryan, go live next to a coal plant.

217 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:30:54am

re: #212 darthstar

Pretty much. McCain made a big shit fit out of Benghazi but acted like the thought of investigating the Iraq War was a waste of time because that was something he proudly supported.

218 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:32:13am

re: #215 wrenchwench

That’s what I get when I read too many Fischer tweets. Can we take him down now?

It’s what I get when I remember that there are people who take this guy seriously. A guy whose lesson from the Nazis is that it’s a okay to discriminate against gay people.

219 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:32:17am

Since the GZ/Trayvon case is back in the news a little bit, I’m kinda curious about the Stand Your Ground issue. After all for very different reasons, we would just about all agree it should not apply. Even his defense attorney rejects it for his own reasons. Both sides agree it’s a non starter.

So, why is the case still closely associated with that debate in media coverage? Limited media attention span? Lack of nuance? Ratings ratings ratings? Seems to me the stand your ground debate needs to shift to another case or cases.

220 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:32:17am

re: #216 Varek Raith

Hey, Bryan, go live next to a coal plant.

Or high tension power transmission lines.

221 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:33:01am

re: #216 Varek Raith

Hey, Bryan, go live next to a coal plant.

Noise pollution in Windsor, Canada traced back to Detroit slag heap. But not before wingnuts tried to blame Chatham, Ontario wind farms.

222 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:33:02am

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

DERP

“Every time the blade has a downward motion it gives off a tremendous energy, gives off a pulse,” said Andersen. “And that pulse, it gets into your tubular organs, chest cavity, mimics a heartbeat, gives you headaches. It’s extremely disturbing and it gets to the point where you have to leave.”

OK. Maybe these wind turbines were faulty. It could have been a technical matter. Noise creates sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation will cause headaches and dizziness. Now this will set an example for the AGW deniers? I give up.

223 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:33:07am

Hey Charles, can we hang this sign by the door here at LGF?

224 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:33:27am

re: #207 darthstar

Glad to see Hagel’s finally getting his vote and the GOP are being exposed for what they are…TV camera addicted drama queens. At least we’ve heard the last of Benghazi…I hope.

Nah, Brennan’s nomination for CIA director is getting threats from Inhofe to have a hold put on it unless the White House gives him the answers he’s looking for on Benghazi.

225 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:34:13am

Thank goodness oil refineries don’t create noise.

226 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:34:14am

re: #222 Gus

OK. Maybe these wind turbines were faulty. It could have been a technical matter. Noise creates sleep deprivation. Sleep deprivation will cause headaches and dizziness. Now this will set an example for the AGW deniers? I give up.

SPASTIC TUBES!1!1

227 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:34:37am

re: #225 Gus

Thank goodness oil refineries don’t create noise.

‘till they blow up.

228 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:35:48am

I’m grateful that paper mills don’t put a bad smell in the air either.

229 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:36:11am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I’m grateful that paper mills don’t put a bad smell in the air either.

What do you care? They’re all in China anyhow.//

230 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:37:34am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

I’m grateful that paper mills don’t put a bad smell in the air either.

I look forward to moving next door to the coal strip mining operation. I heard it’s very tranquil.

231 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:37:34am

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

232 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:38:03am

BRING IT ON DUMBASS.

233 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:38:28am

OUTRAGE!

234 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:38:41am

re: #230 Gus

I look forward to moving next door to the coal strip mining operation. I heard it’s very tranquil.

But doesn’t have the spectacular view of the Tar Sands!

235 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:38:53am

I will say this about the jocularity surrounding this whole “Friends of Hamas” flap. The real Hamas is not funny.

236 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:39:09am

So cloture will be voted for overwhelmingly, meaning that Hagel will be SecDef by week’s end. In which case, allow me to pass on a sentiment to all the wingnuts who worked their little asses off trying to sink this nomination, courtesy of Mr. Wonka:

237 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:39:11am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

Hey Charles, can we hang this sign by the door here at LGF?

We’d have to switch from gamey buttocks to horse meat, or ‘Rafalca roasts’ as some call them.

238 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:40:07am

re: #230 Gus

I look forward to moving next door to the coal strip mining operation. I heard it’s very tranquil.

Screw it, we’re moving to 1950’s Pittsburgh.

239 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:40:14am

re: #235 Gus

I will say this about the jocularity surrounding this whole “Friends of Hamas” flap. The real Hamas is not funny.

I think there are some Friends of Hamas at LGF.

240 iossarian  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:40:25am

re: #232 Vicious Babushka

BRING IT ON DUMBASS.

That Red Nation. Always rising, never actually risen.

241 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:40:28am

re: #233 Lidane

He understands that the Medicaid expansion comes with federal funds that he’s hoping will help close the state deficit and will reduce costs to the state over the long term.

It’s the same rationale that other GOPers who opposed Obamacare have realized and recognized as the implementation of the state-run exchanges needs to get underway ahead of the 2014 deadline.

242 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:41:01am

re: #233 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

He’s going to cruise to re-election and then struggle in the GOP primaries. THe ultimate Catch-22. Be a better leader for your state means not being conservative enough for GOP primary voters.

243 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:41:09am

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

I think there are some Friends of Hamas at LGF.

Some One that also supports Ratko Mladić while thinking the Bosnians should have gone to hell. I haz confusion.

[Edited.]

244 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:41:54am

re: #243 Gus

Some One that also supports Ratko Mladić while thinking the Bosnians should have gone to hell. I haz confusion.

Sorry. Fixed.

245 iossarian  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:42:41am

re: #241 lawhawk

He understands that the Medicaid expansion comes with federal funds that he’s hoping will help close the state deficit and will reduce costs to the state over the long term.

It’s the same rationale that other GOPers who opposed Obamacare have realized and recognized as the implementation of the state-run exchanges needs to get underway ahead of the 2014 deadline.

It’s almost as if… *gasp*…

slashing state taxes means you can’t pay for the benefits your constituents expect to receive without federal help!

Mercy.

246 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:42:45am

The nutters on Twitter are being reasonable again:

Heh.

247 Gus  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:44:13am

re: #246 Lidane

The nutters on Twitter are being reasonable again:

Heh.

248 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:45:07am

re: #247 Gus

I believe that qualifies as a burn.

249 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:45:46am

re: #246 Lidane

The nutters on Twitter are being reasonable again:

Heh.

Haha, some things never change and that’s the right black and white way of looking at things. I’m not “happy” that Hagel’s the next Sec Def but I think he will make a good one because he’s not a kneejerk war hawk.

250 Lidane  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:48:18am

Yep. It’s “only” the Secretary of Defense. It’s not like he matters or anything.

Derp.

251 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:49:23am

re: #219 Political Atheist

Since the GZ/Trayvon case is back in the news a little bit, I’m kinda curious about the Stand Your Ground issue. After all for very different reasons, we would just about all agree it should not apply. Even his defense attorney rejects it for his own reasons. Both sides agree it’s a non starter.

So, why is the case still closely associated with that debate in media coverage? Limited media attention span? Lack of nuance? Ratings ratings ratings? Seems to me the stand your ground debate needs to shift to another case or cases.

I think the critics of Stand Your Ground laws saw it as an opportunity to get rid of the law. The mantra started even before the details of the case were known and now it’s just become associated with the case even though it may not be relevant. The press coverage is just lazy and mentions of Stand Your Ground laws gets easy clicks from activists.
We see this all the time. When there’s a tragedy the noisiest people start pointing finders at their favorite target and wheeling out their favorite pet projects. Most of it’s just a preplanned agenda, not enough people are really interested in the tragedy in question.

252 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:52:04am

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Older generation, there are reports the system was damaged prior to assembly - one of the towers was making noise above state allowed from the day it was assembled. (State limit is 10 db above background). Oh, and somehow a waiver was given so they were assembled closer to existing residential structures than normally allowed.

But they’re still going to be used by the anti-wind crowd.

253 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:53:46am

Wingnut links me to an editorial from Krauthammer, where the pocket Nostradamus is once again opining that the GOP is the “winner” in something, this time over the sequester. That they “called Obama’s bluff” because they haven’t agreed to more revenues in order to avoid the sequester. And, of course, he’s confident that Obama will come out of this looking worse than the GOP will.

254 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:54:44am

re: #253 Targetpractice

Wingnut links me to an editorial from Krauthammer, where the pocket Nostradamus is once again opining that the GOP is the “winner” in something, this time over the sequester. That they “called Obama’s bluff” because they haven’t agreed to more revenues in order to avoid the sequester. And, of course, he’s confident that Obama will come out of this looking worse than the GOP will.

Because this time’s different. (tm)

255 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:54:45am

re: #253 Targetpractice

Wingnut links me to an editorial from Krauthammer, where the pocket Nostradamus is once again opining that the GOP is the “winner” in something, this time over the sequester. That they “called Obama’s bluff” because they haven’t agreed to more revenues in order to avoid the sequester. And, of course, he’s confident that Obama will come out of this looking worse than the GOP will.

Krauthammer being a water carrying hack for the GOP. What else is new for the Chuckster.

256 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:56:06am

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

These fucktards who co-opt the Holocaust for their own gun control paranoid delusions are enraging.

These people have no idea how ignorant and dishonest they seem to anyone who knows about that era. The German war machine was monstrous, the state security apparatus the most ruthless and efficient in history. For example, the Germans launched their offensive against France and the low countries on May 10, 1940. The Netherlands collapsed in five days. Belgium, with a million troops ready and dug in, held out for two weeks before they surrendered. The British Expeditionary Force, outflanked, fled across the Channel, leaving not just its heavy equipment but even its rifles and boots in some cases on the beach at Dunkerque. The 3 million man French army, with more and better tanks than the Germans, and far better artillery, lasted another three weeks. It took five years and millions of casualties for a coalition of 50+ countries to beat the life out of this monster. Yet these fools think civilians with small arms could have held them off well enough to save a targeted population.

257 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:58:10am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel

These people have no idea how ignorant and dishonest they seem to anyone who knows about that era. The German war machine was monstrous, the state security apparatus the most ruthless and efficient in history. For example, the Germans launched their offensive against France and the low countries on May 10, 1940. The Netherlands collapsed in five days. Belgium, with a million troops ready and dug in, held out for two weeks before they surrendered. The British Expeditionary Force, outflanked, fled across the Channel, leaving not just its heavy equipment but even its rifles and boots in some cases on the beach at Dunkerque. The 3 million man French army, with more and better tanks than the Germans, and far better artillery, lasted another three weeks. It took five years and millions of casualties for a coalition of 50+ countries to beat the life out of this monster. Yet these fools think civilians with small arms could have held them off well enough to save a targeted population.

Well, they also have fantasies that their GUNZ will win when they try a do-over of that thing that went so badly in 1861-1865.

258 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:58:18am

re: #253 Targetpractice

And, of course, he’s confident that Obama will come out of this looking worse than the GOP will.

Wasn’t Krauthammer among those who predicted a Romney win?

Magical Thinking has become SOP for GOP.

259 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 9:58:31am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel

These people have no idea how ignorant and dishonest they seem to anyone who knows about that era. The German war machine was monstrous, the state security apparatus the most ruthless and efficient in history. For example, the Germans launched their offensive against France and the low countries on May 10, 1940. The Netherlands collapsed in five days. Belgium, with a million troops ready and dug in, held out for two weeks before they surrendered. The British Expeditionary Force, outflanked, fled across the Channel, leaving not just its heavy equipment but even its rifles and boots in some cases on the beach at Dunkerque. The 3 million man French army, with more and better tanks than the Germans, and far better artillery, lasted another three weeks. It took five years and millions of casualties for a coalition of 50+ countries to beat the life out of this monster. Yet these fools think civilians with small arms could have held them off well enough to save a targeted population.

Honestly that it took five years is a small miracle in itself. But yeah the idea that armed civilians would have prevented the Holocaust from happening is silly and even more is the suggestion that the the Holocaust happened because of gun control.

260 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:00:23am

Also, do they think their little Fat Scooter cavalry can outrun tanks and drones?

261 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:00:52am

re: #258 makeitstop

Wasn’t Krauthammer among those who predicted a Romney win?

Magical Thinking has become SOP for GOP.

Yep. He also advised them to refuse to make a deal on the fiscal cliff, that Lee had gotten better terms at Appomattox than the GOP was getting from Obama, and that they should just let the whole thing crash because it would look bad for Obama to be seen as “raising taxes.”

262 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:02:06am

re: #251 Killgore Trout

I think the critics of Stand Your Ground laws saw it as an opportunity to get rid of the law. The mantra started even before the details of the case were known and now it’s just become associated with the case even though it may not be relevant. The press coverage is just lazy and mentions of Stand Your Ground laws gets easy clicks from activists.
We see this all the time. When there’s a tragedy the noisiest people start pointing finders at their favorite target and wheeling out their favorite pet projects. Most of it’s just a preplanned agenda, not enough people are really interested in the tragedy in question.

Wasn’t SYG the reason Zimmerman was let off in the first place?

263 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:02:37am

The Krauthammer view is one shared by one who actually shapes blocks policy - Eric Cantor.

Cantor thinks that each time the GOP kills the chances for a compromise that it benefits the GOP and somehow harms Obama.

He’s been wrong - spectacularly so - twice, and yet the GOP is committed to the same exact policy yet again.

The GOP could have gotten a decent deal that gives them a whole lot of what they want, without throwing the economy into a blender, but opted not to because it could give the Democrats something too.

The GOP has adopted a zero-sum game on politics that eschews compromise. And the nation suffers as a result.

264 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:03:00am

re: #261 Targetpractice

Yep. He also advised them to refuse to make a deal on the fiscal cliff, that Lee had gotten better terms at Appomattox than the GOP was getting from Obama, and that they should just let the whole thing crash because it would look bad for Obama to be seen as “raising taxes.”

He may be right on Appomattox. I definitely wouldn’t give any defeated Republicans a day’s rations or let them keep their horses.

265 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:03:41am

re: #244 Gus

Sorry. Fixed.

266 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:08:05am

re: #263 lawhawk

The Krauthammer view is one shared by one who actually shapes blocks policy - Eric Cantor.

Cantor thinks that each time the GOP kills the chances for a compromise that it benefits the GOP and somehow harms Obama.

He’s been wrong - spectacularly so - twice, and yet the GOP is committed to the same exact policy yet again.

The GOP could have gotten a decent deal that gives them a whole lot of what they want, without throwing the economy into a blender, but opted not to because it could give the Democrats something too.

The GOP has adopted a zero-sum game on politics that eschews compromise. And the nation suffers as a result.

He’s insane. It really is too bad that there’s no way in hell he’s ever going to lose his seat unless there’s a really, really Democratic year and Cantor is involved in a scandal.

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:08:34am

re: #107 NJDhockeyfan

His disdain for the US is obvious. Everything that is wrong in the world is the fault of the United States.

American Exceptionalism!
/

268 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:12:53am

re: #263 lawhawk

The Krauthammer view is one shared by one who actually shapes blocks policy - Eric Cantor.

Cantor thinks that each time the GOP kills the chances for a compromise that it benefits the GOP and somehow harms Obama.

He’s been wrong - spectacularly so - twice, and yet the GOP is committed to the same exact policy yet again.

The GOP could have gotten a decent deal that gives them a whole lot of what they want, without throwing the economy into a blender, but opted not to because it could give the Democrats something too.

The GOP has adopted a zero-sum game on politics that eschews compromise. And the nation suffers as a result.

And they’re not helping their message now by overriding all the doom-and-gloom predictions about the horrors of the sequester by trying to argue that it “won’t be that bad.” Except, you know, for the “hollowing out of the military” which they totally want to avoid. The rest of the cuts? They couldn’t give a shit less.

269 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:14:08am

ZOMFG GODWINNING DERP

270 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:16:51am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

ZOMFG GODWINNING DERP

Yeah it’s just like that. Really fuck you Bryan, fuck you so much for comparing the death of innocent people in World War II to my friends being able to marry who they love, you fucking disgusting asshole. Sorry to get so angry but I am so sick of Fischer comparing homosexuals having rights to the Nazis. It angers me so much on so many levels.

271 gwangung  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:19:08am

re: #256 Shiplord Kirel

These people have no idea how ignorant and dishonest they seem to anyone who knows about that era. The German war machine was monstrous, the state security apparatus the most ruthless and efficient in history. For example, the Germans launched their offensive against France and the low countries on May 10, 1940. The Netherlands collapsed in five days. Belgium, with a million troops ready and dug in, held out for two weeks before they surrendered. The British Expeditionary Force, outflanked, fled across the Channel, leaving not just its heavy equipment but even its rifles and boots in some cases on the beach at Dunkerque. The 3 million man French army, with more and better tanks than the Germans, and far better artillery, lasted another three weeks. It took five years and millions of casualties for a coalition of 50+ countries to beat the life out of this monster. Yet these fools think civilians with small arms could have held them off well enough to save a targeted population.

They’re kinda insulting when they use epithets like “tyranny” and “marxists” when some of us actually have relatives who live under tyranny and Marxism.

272 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:19:48am

re: #262 wrenchwench

Wasn’t SYG the reason Zimmerman was let off in the first place?

I seem to recall the lack of evidence was the reason given. A lot of people interpreted that to mean he could invoke SYG. It does make prosecutions more difficult in some cases. Zimmerman’s defense team may still use the law in their defense, they’ll use any tool available. Although with his version of the story it wouldn’t necessarily apply to his situation.

273 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:25:32am

re: #272 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall the lack of evidence was the reason given. A lot of people interpreted that to mean he could invoke SYG. It does make prosecutions more difficult in some cases. Zimmerman’s defense team may still use the law in their defense, they’ll use any tool available. Although with his version of the story it wouldn’t necessarily apply to his situation.

Was the victims body hidden from the police at the time? Were they not able to find a murder weapon? Could they not find the purported shooter? Was there no possible motive? What evidence was lacking?

274 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:25:40am

re: #272 Killgore Trout

I seem to recall the lack of evidence was the reason given. A lot of people interpreted that to mean he could invoke SYG. It does make prosecutions more difficult in some cases. Zimmerman’s defense team may still use the law in their defense, they’ll use any tool available. Although with his version of the story it wouldn’t necessarily apply to his situation.

According to this report, SYG was cited as the reason

According to the paper, the night of the shooting the State Attorney’s Office was consulted but a prosecutor was never sent to the scene of the shooting.

At the time, Police Chief Bill Lee cited the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law and stated publicly there was no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman based on the statute. This sparked outrage and cries for justice across the nation.

[Link: miami.cbslocal.com…]

275 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:27:08am

re: #231 lawhawk

But the people in Pittsburgh didn’t have to worry about sunburn if there was an air inversion going on over the valley.

:P

////

276 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:30:50am

re: #273 Eventual Carrion

Was the victims body hidden from the police at the time? Were they not able to find a murder weapon? Could they not find the purported shooter? Was there no possible motive? What evidence was lacking?

Indication that Zimmerman was engaged in anything other than self-defense at the time of the shooting.

277 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:31:57am

re: #273 Eventual Carrion

Was the victims body hidden from the police at the time?
Not at all, and neither was Zimmerman (meaning, he didn’t flee the scene)

Were they not able to find a murder weapon?

Zimmerman either handed it to them or it hadn’t been moved from the ground when they (the cops) showed up
Could they not find the purported shooter?

Again, Z never left the scene

Was there no possible motive?

There were/ are many “possible” motives, ranging from pre-meditated to accidental.

What evidence was lacking?

None “lacking”, but some contradictory
AND ,, all of the above is why there will be a trial and either a conviction or an acquittal

278 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:32:53am

re: #276 Targetpractice

Indication that Zimmerman was engaged in anything other than self-defense at the time of the shooting.

911 call be damned? Admitting he was following the person (not the other way around) at the time be damned?

279 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:34:06am

re: #274 blueraven

According to this report, SYG was cited as the reason

[Link: miami.cbslocal.com…]

I recall stories that SYG will NOT be used as his defense

[Link: www.google.com…]

280 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:34:48am

re: #278 Eventual Carrion

911 call be damned? Admitting he was following the person (not the other way around) at the time be damned?

Not a crime.

281 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:37:06am

re: #279 sattv4u2

I recall stories that SYG will NOT be used as his defense

[Link: www.google.com…]

I never said it would be used.
WW asked if SYG was the original reason Zimmerman was let go.
KT replied he thought it was lack of evidence.
I linked to an article where the police chief cited the SYG statute as the reason he was let go originally.

282 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:37:18am

re: #277 sattv4u2

Was the victims body hidden from the police at the time?
Not at all, and neither was Zimmerman (meaning, he didn’t flee the scene)

Were they not able to find a murder weapon?

Zimmerman either handed it to them or it hadn’t been moved from the ground when they (the cops) showed up
Could they not find the purported shooter?

Again, Z never left the scene

Was there no possible motive?

There were/ are many “possible” motives, ranging from pre-meditated to accidental.

What evidence was lacking?

None “lacking”, but some contradictory
AND ,, all of the above is why there will be a trial and either a conviction or an acquittal

So to follow on the thread start, stand your ground was never invoked. I can shoot a person, stand there, wait for the cops, tell them sorry I had to do it, he scared me. I will then be let go to resume my evening? Try that in PA and your ass will be in jail with a hefty bond until your hearings. You will not sleep in your bed that night nor probably the next several.

283 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:38:00am

re: #279 sattv4u2

I recall stories that SYG will NOT be used as his defense

[Link: www.google.com…]

But it was cited as the reason Zimmerman was let go. The police chief said they didn’t have enough evidence to overcome a claim of SYG if it were made, which they assumed it would. They messed up in not holding him for charges, but they messed up based on the difficulty of prosecutions with SYG on the books.

284 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:38:18am

5 things to know about the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin saga

4. ‘Stand your ground’ law doesn’t apply, defendant’s lawyers say

…. Zimmerman’s lawyers say it doesn’t apply to his case, at least not exactly.

“In this particular case, George did not have an ability to retreat because he was on the ground with Trayvon Martin mounting him, striking blows, therefore the Stand Your Ground ‘benefit’ given by the statute simply does not apply to the facts of George’s case: it is traditional self-defense,” Zimmerman’s attorneys said on the web site detailing his legal case.

But they do intend to ask a judge to apply the immunity provisions of Florida’s self-defense law to stave off a trial on the charges.

285 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:38:37am

re: #280 Targetpractice

Not a crime.

Neither is me walking down the street behind the pesron that stole my girlfriend, until I decide to throttle him to death.

286 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:39:36am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

5 things to know about the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin saga

That’s from way, way after the fact that he was let go because of assumptions made about SYG.

287 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:39:52am

re: #282 Eventual Carrion

Try that in PA and your ass will be in jail with a hefty bond until your hearings.

Or not

PA’s ‘stand your ground’ law mirrors Florida’s

[Link: publicsource.org…]

288 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:40:19am

re: #284 Killgore Trout

5 things to know about the George Zimmerman-Trayvon Martin saga

So you are leaning on Zimm’s words as evidence (or lack thereof)?

289 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:41:15am

re: #285 Eventual Carrion

Neither is me walking down the street behind the pesron that stole my girlfriend, until I decide to throttle him to death.

And if I can show in a court of law that you followed him with the intent to kill him, then I have a case for murder. So far, the prosecution in the Zimmerman case doesn’t even have that.

290 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:45:00am

re: #287 sattv4u2


Try that in PA and your ass will be in jail with a hefty bond until your hearings.

Or not

PA’s ‘stand your ground’ law mirrors Florida’s

[Link: publicsource.org…]

No, you would be. Case in point from end of last summer. Friend was home, a female friend of his called and said she was afraid her boyfriend would hurt her (he had a history of violence), friend told her to come over to get away from it. She does, boyfriend heads over after being told by someone where she was, breaks in the door, threatens my friend, says he is going to kill both of them, friend fills him with buckshot (in his own house being threatened). Friend spends week in jail awaiting hearing, is let go, but after week in jail, for shooting a threatening person IN HIS OWN FUCKING HOME, not on some back street IN HIS OWN FUCKING HOME.

291 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:45:55am

re: #289 Targetpractice

And if I can show in a court of law that you followed him with the intent to kill him, then I have a case for murder. So far, the prosecution in the Zimmerman case doesn’t even have that.

This discussion has gotten nowhere before, it will go nowhere now.

292 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:48:16am

re: #290 Eventual Carrion

And “a” anecdote doesn’t negate what is on PA’s books as law

Pennsylvania passed the similar law in June 2011.

A fundamental change in Pennsylvania’s self-defense law was that it no longer requires a homeowner or an average citizen in almost any location to retreat from an attacker. If there is a threat, violence can be the first response.

The law also protects a person who acts in self-defense from civil lawsuits by an attacker or attacker’s family.

The PA law was altered in 2011. I know you said ‘last June”, but could it have been the prior one before the amendment??

293 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:48:27am

re: #291 Eventual Carrion

This discussion has gotten nowhere before, it will go nowhere now.

Which is rather my point. Those who wish to believe that Zimmerman went out that night with the intent to kill a black kid will continue to believe that, even past the even of the trial. If he’s convicted, they’ll feel that “justice” was served. If he’s acquitted or even let off on SYG grounds, they’ll rant and rave about how he “got away with murder.”

294 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:49:36am

re: #289 Targetpractice

And if I can show in a court of law that you followed him with the intent to kill him, then I have a case for murder. So far, the prosecution in the Zimmerman case doesn’t even have that.

And that’s what the case will hinge on as I stated in 277

None “lacking” (evidence), but some contradictory
AND ,, all of the above is why there will be a trial and either a conviction or an acquittal

295 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 10:51:49am

re: #293 Targetpractice

Which is rather my point. Those who wish to believe that Zimmerman went out that night with the intent to kill a black kid will continue to believe that, even past the even of the trial. If he’s convicted, they’ll feel that “justice” was served. If he’s acquitted or even let off on SYG grounds, they’ll rant and rave about how he “got away with murder.”

Correct, just as conversely those that wish to believe that Z was the victim of an attack ,and he acted in self defense, IF he’s convicted they’ll rant and rave about how he was railroaded

296 blueraven  Tue, Feb 26, 2013 11:15:36am

re: #289 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

And if I can show in a court of law that you followed him with the intent to kill him, then I have a case for murder. So far, the prosecution in the Zimmerman case doesn’t even have that.

Zimmerman is charged with murder 2, not pre-meditated murder 1.

No one is claiming he went out that night or followed Martin with the intention to murder him.


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