Military Coup Ousts Egyptian President Morsi

Muslim Brotherhood, denied
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Big changes in Egypt, but in a way it’s a return to the bad old days. I’m not sad in the least to see the people rise up and toss out the Muslim Brotherhood, but the words “military coup” don’t inspire a warm, safe feeling either: Morsy Out in Egypt Coup.

Cairo (CNN) — Egypt’s military deposed the country’s first democratically elected president Wednesday night, installing the head of the country’s highest court as an interim leader, the country’s top general announced.

Gen. Abdel-Fatah El-Sisi said the military was fulfilling its “historic responsibility” to protect the country by ousting Mohamed Morsy, the Western-educated Islamist leader elected a year ago. The country’s constitution has been suspended, new parliamentary elections will be held and Adly Mansour, the head of the country’s Supreme Constitutional Court, will replace Morsy, El-Sisi said.

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Egypt Army Sacks Mursi, Suspends Constitution

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1 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:03:04pm

Reuters live feed of Tahrir square

live.reuters.com

2 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:03:25pm

Reprinted from down below:

re: #29 Charles Johnson

Not sad to see the Muslim Brotherhood getting tossed out. Not happy to see a military coup, either. No good options.

Best case scenario would have been that Morsi got dumped and was rejected in the next election.

Now, you’re going to have MBers who are going to add this to the long list of grievances against the military and regime that follows Morsi.

Grievances that last a long long long time.

You’re right there are no good answers and a coup was among the worst of the answers - but a relatively bloodless coup was the least bad alternative considering.

It appears that the military didn’t want the protests dragging out the way they did under Mubarak, so they decided to interject themselves directly in short order. While most Egyptians are likely siding with the Army’s actions to dump Morsi, it continues a long line of regimes created and toppled by the military from Nasser to now Morsi.

Lose the support of the Army, and you lose the country.

Best way to stay in power? Keep the Army happy. And that means getting the economy going.

3 Blue Point  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:04:02pm

Obama must be beside himself. ///////////////

4 erik_t  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:04:38pm

I am not following the story extremely closely, but it sounds like the military is taking popularly-backed action to officially remove someone who has really already lost his grip on the reins of the country.

This would sound a little less like “a return to the bad old days” and a little more like “let’s call a mulligan and try that 2011 thing again, eh?”

5 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:04:42pm

Obviously, this is a plot by the Muslim Brotherhood.
/

6 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:05:26pm

re: #2 lawhawk

If the military wants to get the economy going then a big part of that is encouraging tourism. Military coups don’t exactly make for good vacation spots

7 HAL2010  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:06:33pm

Some 70 odd tweets I collected about what just happend.

littlegreenfootballs.com

Going to take a break for a while now.
Later lizards!

8 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:06:58pm

re: #6 SpaceJesus

If the military wants to get the economy going then a big part of that is encouraging tourism. Military coups don’t exactly make for good vacation spots

Neither do religious extremists.

9 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:08:34pm

I’m not worried about the coup yet. We’ll see how this goes but it needed to be done. The Muslim Bros betrayed every promise they made. First they dais they had no interest in holding the majority in Parliment or running for the presidency. Once they had both of those they promised to respect the rights of minority parties. They promised to share power, They promised to not force through an Islamist constitution, they promised to respect court rulings. They broke all those promises. This should be a notice to the MB and all the other political parties that once in power you have to respect others who are not in the majority. Power sharing is the only way for democracy to work.

10 HAL2010  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:08:59pm

Worth repeating

littlegreenfootballs.com

11 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:09:01pm

In less than one hour it will be July 4th in Egypt. Happy Independence Day Egypt!

12 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:09:06pm
13 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:10:28pm

i nominate ptolemy XV caesarion

he deserves a second chance

14 HAL2010  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:11:39pm
15 HAL2010  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:12:00pm

Damn you LGF, you can’t keep me away!

16 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:12:30pm

friend just asked me why they are kicking morrissey out of egypt

17 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:12:59pm

re: #9 Killgore Trout

I’m not worried about the coup yet. We’ll see how this goes but it needed to be done. The Muslim Bros betrayed every promise they made. First they dais they had no interest in holding the majority in Parliment or running for the presidency. Once they had both of those they promised to respect the rights of minority parties. They promised to share power, They promised to not force through an Islamist constitution, they promised to respect court rulings. They broke all those promises. This should be a notice to the MB and all the other political parties that once in power you have to respect others who are not in the majority. Power sharing is the only way for democracy to work.

Now email that to the Texas Legislature.

18 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:13:20pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

friend just asked me why they are kicking morrissey out of egypt

LOL

19 b.d.  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:13:33pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

friend just asked me why they are kicking morrissey out of egypt

excessive whinging

20 HAL2010  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:13:41pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

friend just asked me why they are kicking morrissey out of egypt

Because, like Morsi, he’s a sanctimonious prick.
/

21 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:14:06pm

re: #3 Blue Point Nines 09

Obama must be beside himself. ///////////////

On a more serious note, how is the “anti-sharia” right going to take this news? Heads must be ‘sploding over this, since it’s obvious that the Islamists are taking over everywhere, with stealth halal food and the like.

22 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:14:50pm

MST3k - Morrissey

Youtube Video

23 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:14:54pm

re: #16 SpaceJesus

friend just asked me why they are kicking morrissey out of egypt

24 Ian G.  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:16:02pm

re: #13 engineer cat

i nominate ptolemy XV caesarion

he deserves a second chance

While we’re at it, I propose an old-school solution to the Bolivia-Austria spat: have a Habsburg scion lead an army to La Paz and have himself crowned emperor.

25 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:16:37pm

Youtube Video

26 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:17:00pm

Geller & Spencer are being frauded!!!11!!

I don’t know what’s sadder, that someone is frauding their grift or that they’re using indiegogo to fund their legal expenses…

27 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:18:02pm

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28 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:18:10pm

re: #25 SpaceJesus

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Youtube Video

29 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:18:39pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

This points out another reason why Britain shouldn’t have banned these two lovely people, besides the free speech issue. They’re using it to cash in now.

30 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:19:19pm

Joe walsh is tweating about the “tea partiers in Egypt” and others are claiming the TP should try the same thing here. All I can say is “please, proceed”.

31 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:20:03pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

This points out another reason why Britain shouldn’t have banned these two lovely people, besides the free speech issue. They’re using it to cash in now.

I checked out AS earlier to see how Pam was ranting about Egypt. She’s peddling t-shirts and bumper stickers nowadays.

32 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:20:27pm

re: #27 Gus

[Deleted pending confirmation.]

33 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:20:37pm

re: #30 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Joe walsh is tweating about the “tea partiers in Egypt” and others are claiming the TP should try the same thing here. All I can say is “please, proceed”.

The comedy value alone makes it worth a shot.

34 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:20:53pm
35 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:22:26pm

re: #32 Gus

An army spox earlier stated the army wasn’t interested in arresting or exiling Morsi, they were just removing him from power and he could try and get elected again in the reformed government.

36 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:23:01pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

This points out another reason why Britain shouldn’t have banned these two lovely people, besides the free speech issue. They’re using it to cash in now.

They would’ve cashed in anyway. If they’d gone to the UK, the grift would have been for donations to help them make the EDL look better.

37 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:24:04pm
38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:24:24pm

re: #33 Kragar

The comedy value alone makes it worth a shot.

What’s funny is they already tried that with their “rallies” over the past few years and the best they could do was a bunch of old white people.

I responded to walsh basically pointing out that the MB was more in line with the right here in the U.S. and religious fundamentalists to boot, you know, like tea partiers tend to be.

39 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:26:47pm

500 views in 25 minutes.

40 EdDantes  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:27:19pm

Bye, bye Morsi. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass.

41 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:27:47pm

re: #36 Lidane

They would’ve cashed in anyway. If they’d gone to the UK, the grift would have been for donations to help them make the EDL look better.

True, but they’re also using it to hype themselves and get higher visibility both here and in the UK. They’re getting media coverage out of it.

Who knows if it would have been better if they’d been allowed visas, but I just think these kinds of speech-based bans are usually counter-productive.

42 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:28:16pm
43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:28:30pm

re: #38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

What’s funny is they already tried that with their “rallies” over the past few years and the best they could do was a bunch of old white people.

I responded to walsh basically pointing out that the MB was more in line with the right here in the U.S. and religious fundamentalists to boot, you know, like tea partiers tend to be.

It’s pretty hard to look like intimidating protestors when your angry mob is on hoverounds and/or wearing nasal cannulas attached to oxygen tanks.

44 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:29:09pm
45 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:29:49pm

re: #37 Lidane

and the military was only “suggesting” stuff…
//

46 Fear the Blah People  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:30:30pm

Coup looks so weird alone.

Coup d’état

So much better.

47 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:31:23pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s pretty hard to look like intimidating protestors when your angry mob is on hoverounds and/or wearing nasal cannulas attached to oxygen tanks.

Give me geritol or give me death!

they re-enact the boston tea party by dumping metamucil into the potomac…

48 Tigger2  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:31:25pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s pretty hard to look like intimidating protestors when your angry mob is on hoverounds and/or wearing nasal cannulas attached to oxygen tanks.

It depends if you’re holding the nasal cannulas outstretched with a lighter next to it.////

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:31:59pm

re: #46 Stanghazi

Coup looks so weird alone.

Coup d’état

So much better.

Or coupe. Then you can go for a ride.

50 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:32:27pm

Richard Engel just reported that the religious extremists are already spreading the meme that this was an international conspiracy led by the US to destroy Islam.

51 erik_t  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:32:36pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

Or coupe. Then you can go for a ride.

Or coop. Then you can go for an omelet.

52 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:33:16pm

Fischer to Immigration Opponents: ‘Get Busy’ and Procreate’

Fischer says if the House approves immigration reform, then “that thread is going to snap and we will be plunging at warp speed into the abyss.”

But Fischer said that America could stave off the need for more immigrants if Americans would “get busy” and have more kids: “The whole argument for immigration is, ‘We got to get workers.’ Why? Because native-born Americans simply are not reproducing at rates fast enough to increase the population. So we know what we need to do. Let’s get busy.”

Never mind being able to afford the kids you have or maintaining a standard of living, get fucking so big business can have a cheap labor force!

53 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:33:32pm

I wonder how much actual military-style armament the MB has at this point.

54 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:34:38pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Richard Engel just reported that the religious extremists are already spreading the meme that this was an international conspiracy led by the US to destroy Islam.

Well, of course we did, bless their hearts.
/

55 EdDantes  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:34:46pm

re: #49 wrenchwench

As I was motorvaton over the hill
I saw Maybelline in a Coupe de Ville
A Cadillac arollin’ on the open road
Nothin’ will outrun my V8 Ford

56 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:36:02pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

I wonder how much actual military-style armament the MB has at this point.

Probably militia levels.

57 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:36:35pm

Don’t be stupid, Bobby.

58 HAL2010  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:37:32pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Didn’t see it at first, but thanks for throwing in the “related” in the thread!

Can’t say it enough, but I’m sure this is one of the most informative private blogs out there, on par with Andrew Sullivan.
You’re doing an amazing job.

59 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:37:56pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Don’t be stupid, Bobby.

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Like school vouchers and creationism in the schools? Or screwing poor folks over in the tax code?

60 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:38:53pm

Pam is already on it:

61 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:40:49pm
62 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:41:24pm

Egyptian military air dropping flags over Tahrir square

live.reuters.com

63 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:42:06pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I had a friend of mine retweeting Jindal’s stupidity this morning.

Governor “I Believe in Exorcisms” has no business talking about anyone else’s bad ideas.

64 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:43:06pm

Afternoon Lizardim.

65 erik_t  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:43:23pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pam is already on it:

I assume by “it”, you mean a handle of hooch.

66 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:44:20pm

re: #64 Hail Satan

Afternoon Lizardim.

Hail!

67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:44:41pm

re: #61 Lidane

Nice picture, but it’s from 2010.

68 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:44:51pm

OH FUCK NO!
NC Senate tacks sweeping abortion legislation onto Sharia law bill

Senators on Tuesday tacked a suite of new restrictions and regulations pertaining to abortion clinics onto a bill dealing with the application of foreign laws in North Carolina family courts.

The measure was unveiled unexpectedly during an unusual late-day committee meeting. It combines several bills in different stages of the legislative process into one omnibus measure.

“It just took a while for there to be a consensus of support for it within our caucus,” said Sen. Buck Newton, R-Wilson, chairman of the Senate Judiciary 1 Committee. “Sometimes these things come together at the last minute.”
…
“They’re doing it quietly on Fourth of July weekend because they’ve seen what’s going on in Texas and know that women will turn out,” said Melissa Reed, vice president of public policy for Planned Parenthood Health Systems, referring to the protests surrounding a similar bill in Texas. She said Planned Parenthood and other abortion rights advocates had no idea the measure would be taken up Tuesday.

Lobbyists with nonprofits that have religious or moral purposes, including the Family Policy Council, Christian Action League and North Carolina Values Coalition, were in the room for the committee debate and the subsequent Senate floor debate. Senators noted that those lobbyists were given notice of the bill and its contents ahead of time.

69 Fear the Blah People  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:45:14pm

re: #64 Hail Satan

Afternoon Lizardim.

Hey Dude!

70 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:45:19pm

re: #66 wrenchwench

Hail!

Oh yeah, I forgot I had that up there from upstairs. Heh. I think I’ll keep it for a while, just for the lulz.

71 erik_t  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:46:05pm

re: #68 Kragar

OH FUCK NO!
NC Senate tacks sweeping abortion legislation onto Sharia law bill

Rebranding (late at night, on a long weekend).

72 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:47:30pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

If they want to get that out early and quick, they should give it to Greenwald and Wikileaks to tweet.

73 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:48:27pm

re: #70 Hail Satan

Oh yeah, I forgot I had that up there from upstairs. Heh. I think I’ll keep it for a while, just for the lulz.

It’s a good one, but it makes me think that it’s winter and hell is cold…or a tornado is coming…

74 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:48:35pm
75 Tigger2  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:49:10pm

re: #68 Kragar

OH FUCK NO!
NC Senate tacks sweeping abortion legislation onto Sharia law bill

I see they loaded their anti sharia law bill down with their own form of christian sharia law legislation.

76 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:50:03pm

re: #68 Kragar

The worst thing is, Pat McCrory, the fake hipster, won’t veto it, either.

People in NC can’t say they weren’t warned about this cabal.

77 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:50:07pm

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

Nice picture, but it’s from 2010.

Blargh. Oh well. It’s still a nice image. :)

78 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:50:35pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s a good one, but it makes me think that it’s winter and hell is cold…or a tornado is coming…

Hell is always cold up here in the wild north country. That’s why we ship ‘em to Texas./

79 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:50:44pm

Continued from the previous thread:

80 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:51:19pm

Paged the NC GOP horseshit.

81 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:52:53pm

re: #80 Kragar

Paged the NC GOP horseshit.

I also included an article from one NC state senator who called out the GOP for this shit.

82 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:54:00pm

re: #79 Lidane

Snowden’s little anti-US temper tantrums are stirring up a lot of nasty old stuff, including the tendency of authoritarian Latin American leaders to demagogue about the evil US.

83 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:56:17pm

Selective Fundamentalism in North Carolina

Something tells me the North Carolina legislators who suddenly (in order, it seems, to prevent the kind of protests their brethren in Texas are encountering) popped a let’s-shut-down-the-abortion clinics bill onto unrelated legislation would not see the irony in their choice of a Shariah Law bill as the vehicle. Yes, having resolved to protect the Tar Heel State from the entirely imaginary threat of Islamic theocracy, the solons figured they’d show the world what home-grown theocracy looked like.

Maybe I’m exaggerating a bit here, but the belief of many antichoice activists that they are engaged in “spiritual warfare” against demonic hordes promoting rebellion against the Ordinances of the Almighty is pretty hard to ignore. As we speak the Wingnutosphere is aflame with allegations that pro-choice protestors in Texas are chanting “Hail Satan” to counter the hymn-singing of the pro-life godly. Once again, an appreciation of irony is not a strong suit for conservative activists.

84 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:56:38pm

BREAKING NEWS

Edward Snowden has just requested Asylum in Egypt.

/

85 Kid Hail Satan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:57:05pm
86 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:57:19pm
87 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 2:58:19pm

re: #84 Eclectic Cyborg

BREAKING NEWS

Edward Snowden has just requested Asylum in Egypt.

/

So has Morsi.

88 freetoken  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:00:27pm

I see that Bolton has chimed in with support for the “coup”.

Apparently elections are good, unless our side doesn’t win.

89 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:01:06pm

re: #88 freetoken

I see that Bolton has chimed in with support for the “coup”.

Apparently elections are good, unless our side doesn’t win.

Well, we knew that last part. Just look at how the GOP handled the last Presidential election.

90 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:02:34pm

Nice pic

91 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:06:05pm

re: #46 Stanghazi

Coup looks so weird alone.

Coup d’état

So much better.

i was watching a japanese anime movie once, and every time the subtitles mentioned the word ‘revolution’, i heard this word on the soundtrack:

kudeta

it sounds so much softer with the japanese pronunciation

92 freetoken  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:06:59pm

BTW, this partial delay of ACA implementation is, I think, a bad political move. I know some wanted to believe it would keep the ACA from being a political football in 2014, but that just isn’t going to happen in the era of DEATH PANELS!!

Note the following AP article headline, which is not unique:

Delay stirs broader worries about Obama health law

The meme that will now be pushed is that even the Administration realizes “Obamacare” is a bad thing. In the overly fertile religious minds of Americans that kind of idea will spread quickly.

93 freetoken  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:08:14pm

America is not yet finished lunging to the atavistic right.

94 AlexRogan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:09:01pm

re: #52 Kragar

Fischer to Immigration Opponents: ‘Get Busy’ and Procreate’

Never mind being able to afford the kids you have or maintaining a standard of living, get fucking so big business can have a cheap labor force!

Fear of a Black (and Brown) Nation…

95 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:09:46pm

“ousted”

i was divorced, but fortunately not ousted

96 Kid Hail Satan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:10:42pm

I missed all the Hail Satan fun, so I had to post this that I read on RedState:

Satan is very glad to get more dupes for his army. He is happily making plans for these people to live with him forever. When they get there, I am very sure their actions will be paraded before them so they can clearly see the path that brought them to eternal life in the pit of hell with the one they proclaim as their god.

97 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:11:29pm
98 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:12:06pm

re: #96 Kid Hail Satan

I missed all the Hail Satan fun, so I had to post this that I read on RedState:

Satan is very glad to get more dupes for his army. He is happily making plans for these people to live with him forever. When they get there, I am very sure their actions will be paraded before them so they can clearly see the path that brought them to eternal life in the pit of hell with the one they proclaim as their god.

Do not fret. Stan does not have a timeline for joining in the hailing fun.

99 freetoken  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:12:53pm

re: #97 Gus

…. but Satan does.


The human mind, in all its glory.

100 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:14:04pm

re: #99 freetoken

…. but Satan does.

The human mind, in all its glory.

Also, you get to burn in a 4,000 degree fire for Gogol years if you don’t follow the rules! //

101 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:14:30pm

Got another Greenwald cultist downstairs.

102 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:16:10pm

By the way — you can now use the WINGNUT tag on single words, not just paragraphs.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:16:22pm
104 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:18:03pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Got another Greenwald cultist downstairs.

Wow, quite the little troll we’ve got growing down there. So sure of himself and his superiority.

105 Joanne  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:19:41pm

re: #92 freetoken

I thought the only thing not being implemented was the penalties.

106 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:20:10pm

re: #103 NJDhockeyfan

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Yeah, they’re bitching about that on Al JAzz America now. I think the reason to take over MB friendly stations is so they can’t be used to transmit instructions to supporters in case of violence, civil war, etc.

107 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:20:42pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

108 Joanne  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:21:58pm

re: #97 Gus

How could they select not person as the Asshole du Jour? Really, so many to choose from.

109 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:22:06pm

re: #52 Kragar

Fischer to Immigration Opponents: ‘Get Busy’ and Procreate’

Never mind being able to afford the kids you have or maintaining a standard of living, get fucking so big business can have a cheap labor force!

Fischer: “need mohr concubines!!!”

110 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:23:56pm

re: #92 freetoken

BTW, this partial delay of ACA implementation is, I think, a bad political move. I know some wanted to believe it would keep the ACA from being a political football in 2014, but that just isn’t going to happen in the era of DEATH PANELS!!

Note the following AP article headline, which is not unique:

Delay stirs broader worries about Obama health law

The meme that will now be pushed is that even the Administration realizes “Obamacare” is a bad thing. In the overly fertile religious minds of Americans that kind of idea will spread quickly.

There were issues with the employer mandate, but fact is that many businesses with 50+ employees were already providing health insurance benefits to their employees. The CBO’s estimate on revenues raised from this provision were negligible, indicating that the employer mandate wouldn’t have significant impact on businesses as a tax/penalty.

From a friend who works in health care policy:

111 Backwoods_Sleuth  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:23:58pm

re: #98 thedopefishlives

Do not fret. Stan does not have a timeline for joining in the hailing fun.

and I hear that hell has great hot tubs!

112 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:24:47pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I hear that hell has great hot tubs!

And the dental is excellent.

113 freetoken  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:24:48pm

Off topic, but maybe there is a lesson here:

Remember that Guatemalan pyramid that was dug away by a developer in order to get cheap crushed limestone? Well, something similar has happened again, but down in Peru:

Developers destroy ancient Peru pyramid

Authorities in Peru say an ancient pyramid at the oldest archaeological site near the capital, Lima, has been destroyed.

They are pressing criminal charges against two real-estate companies blamed for tearing down the structure, which was 6m (20-ft) high.

[…]

Lesson: the past is only a bulldozer away from not existing.

114 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:25:13pm

Recent events give some measure of vindication to those of us who warned against the naive belief that the MB would become moderated once they were in power and would put the interest of the Egyptian people ahead of their own desire to consolidate power and impose their view of Islam on their contrymen and -woman. There is also some measure of hope that a true Arab Spring, and perhaps the budding of a real democracy in the Middle East and the Maghreb, might follow the Arab Winter into which the Islamists have led that part of the world.

However, it would be premature and equally naive to believe that this will necessarily occur, or that those who rallied to overthrow the Morsi-led MB government in Egypt are necessarily likely to lead down that road. Just a few snippets to bring about a reality check:

1. This photo from the anti-Morsi rallies that took place a few days ago:

Image: 03768308.jpg

2. This piece of news about the rampant sexual violence against women during the recent protests against the Morsi government:

Close to 100 women have fallen victim to “rampant” sexual attacks in Cairo’s Tahrir Square during four days of protests against Egypt’s Islamist President Mohamed Morsi, Human Rights Watch said on Wednesday.

“Mobs sexually assaulted and in some cases raped at least 91 women in Tahrir Square… amid a climate of impunity,” HRW, which is based in New York, said in a statement.

ynetnews.com

Much that was broken about Egypt remains broken. We can hope that the next round will improve matters, but caution is definitely the order of the day.

115 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:25:37pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

and I hear that hell has great hot tubs!

And Satan longs to go on a gay cruise.

Youtube Video

116 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:26:02pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

By the way — you can now use the WINGNUT tag on single words, not just paragraphs.

Scratches head. I was under the impression that you always could.

117 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:26:59pm

re: #116 Bubblehead II

Scratches head. I was under the impression that you always could.

It would put the word in blockquote tags, which always separated it out into a new paragraph.

118 efuseakay  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:27:28pm

re: #30 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Joe walsh is tweating about the “tea partiers in Egypt” and others are claiming the TP should try the same thing here. All I can say is “please, proceed”.

Hey Joe. The TP just got sidelined in Egypt.

119 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:29:03pm
120 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:30:33pm

re: #117 thedopefishlives

It would put the word in blockquote tags, which always separated it out into a new paragraph.

Thanks. Guess I just didn’t notice it before.

121 jaunte  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:31:14pm
122 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:32:15pm

re: #114 sliv_the_eli

Who was it who held that naive belief?

123 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:34:05pm
124 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:34:37pm

re: #52 Kragar

Fischer to Immigration Opponents: ‘Get Busy’ and Procreate’

Never mind being able to afford the kids you have or maintaining a standard of living, get fucking so big business can have a cheap labor force!

Teh sexy times is useless. What we need are the babieez. Ladies, fire up your gatlinginas. ////

125 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:34:58pm
126 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:38:07pm

re: #114 sliv_the_eli

I think this was an important and necessary step. Let’s hope the Muslim brotherhood and the Egyptian people take away the right lesson from this. No surprise from me that the Muslim Brotherhood couldn’t resist pushing things too far but it’s a mistake that needed to be made.

127 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:38:36pm
128 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:39:43pm

re: #125 Gus

Personal tips: scout out area where they are doing the fireworks for interesting backgrounds and foregrounds.

Use a tripod. A remote trigger is helpful, but not always necessary.

Play around with your shutter speeds - short exposures will make the fireworks look like points, longer ones will capture streaking trails.

Oh, hope when the weather cooperates. A bunch of fireworks displays in NYC metro were cancelled this week b/c of the rains over the past couple of days (not all fireworks are on the 4th).

129 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:40:44pm

re: #122 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

A list probably too long to post here, but readily available to anyone who wants to go back and read what many of the so-called “experts” and “opinion leaders” in the West were saying not too long ago and how differently they speak of these issues today.

130 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:41:57pm
131 jaunte  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:44:21pm

re: #130 Lidane

… + .. = …..

132 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:45:41pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

I think this was an important and necessary step. Let’s hope the Muslim brotherhood and the Egyptian people take away the right lesson from this. No surprise from me that the Muslim Brotherhood couldn’t resist pushing things too far but it’s a mistake that needed to be made.

I have zero expectation that the MB will take away “the right lesson from this.” They have never really hidden what their true agenda is. The problem is that too many in positions of influence in the U.S. and elsewhere in the West ignored who and what the MB truly are. The real question, IMHO, is whether thought leaders in the West will take away the right lesson about who, how and where to support in our efforts to help bring about in the Middle East the types of governments that give voice to the majority while protecting (rather than subjugating) the minority.

Not sure what you mean by the MB pushing tings too far being a “mistake that needed to be made”, unless by that you mean that it was necessary in order to prod the generation that overthrew Mubarak to spring back to life to protect the revolution they led. If the latter, I would agree wholeheartedly, but, for the reasons cited in my post above, I remain a healthy skeptic.

133 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:47:16pm

re: #97 Gus

[Embedded content]#assholeoftheday Paul Scalia, for saying “Homosexuality doesn’t exist.”

That apple didn’t fall far from the horse’s ass.

134 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:49:21pm
136 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:56:21pm

Here is the next person to get arrested…



137 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:57:08pm

re: #132 sliv_the_eli

The problem is that too many in positions of influence in the U.S. and elsewhere in the West ignored who and what the MB truly are.

I can’t agree with that. I’m quite sure everyone involved knows exactly who and what they’re dealing with, but this is the real world and diplomatic choices must be made.

138 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:58:17pm

GAH. One of my idiot wingnut cousins is derping about how ZOMG EGYPT OVERTHREW THEIR GUBMINT BUT THE WHITE HOUSE WEBSITE HASN’T BEEN UPDATED TO MENTION IT HURR DURR.

I love my family, but ugh. This kind of stupid annoys me.

139 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 3:59:08pm

re: #135 Velvet Elvis

John McCain Thinks Sexually Harassing College Students is a Constitutional Right.

New word of the day: “Vaginocracy”.

—from the comments

140 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:00:48pm
141 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:01:47pm

Al Jaz - Morsi is believed to be holed up at Republican Guard barracks in Cairo.

142 Mattand  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:03:07pm

So this guy on Facebook posts a picture of Depression-era soup line with an “Obamacare” sign Photoshopped on the store’s marquee. Ha-ha, Obamacare blows, whatevs.

One commenter quotes Bobby Jindal on Obamacare: “You know things are bad when you can’t even successfully implement your own bad ideas.”

When I point out that Bobby Jindal couldn’t get tax cuts past his own GOP dominated state government, I’m informed that’s a weak argument.

I just do not get conservatives anymore. Why the fuck would anyone cite Bobby Jindal as an authority on healthcare?

143 Weet  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:04:10pm

re: #135 Velvet Elvis

John McCain Thinks Sexually Harassing College Students is a Constitutional Right.

McCain’s face reddened, and he responded, “At least I don’t plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you ****.” Link

144 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:07:55pm

re: #142 Mattand

I just do not get conservatives anymore. Why the fuck would anyone cite Bobby Jindal as an authority on healthcare?

Because the alternative was … Sarah Palin? Rush Limbaugh? Mitch McConnell? Reince Preibus? Rick Perry? John McCain? Mitt Romney?

You can see the difficulty….

145 twisty  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:08:02pm

re: #135 Velvet Elvis

John McCain Thinks Sexually Harassing College Students is a Constitutional Right.

I’ve heard some pretty dumb arguments for what counts as a First Amendment violation, but “maybe stop harassing and raping other college students so much, just a thought” as an infringement on free speech is the most ridiculous so far. It’s almost as if Republicans and Libertarians (sorry for repeating myself) don’t care about women as a whole or male victims.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:08:15pm
President Obama’s Statement on Egypt

“As I have said since the Egyptian Revolution, the United States supports a set of core principles, including opposition to violence, protection of universal human rights, and reform that meets the legitimate aspirations of the people. The United States does not support particular individuals or political parties, but we are committed to the democratic process and respect for the rule of law. Since the current unrest in Egypt began, we have called on all parties to work together to address the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people, in accordance with the democratic process, and without recourse to violence or the use of force.

The United States is monitoring the very fluid situation in Egypt, and we believe that ultimately the future of Egypt can only be determined by the Egyptian people. Nevertheless, we are deeply concerned by the decision of the Egyptian Armed Forces to remove President Morsy and suspend the Egyptian constitution. I now call on the Egyptian military to move quickly and responsibly to return full authority back to a democratically elected civilian government as soon as possible through an inclusive and transparent process, and to avoid any arbitrary arrests of President Morsy and his supporters. Given today’s developments, I have also directed the relevant departments and agencies to review the implications under U.S. law for our assistance to the Government of Egypt.

The United States continues to believe firmly that the best foundation for lasting stability in Egypt is a democratic political order with participation from all sides and all political parties —secular and religious, civilian and military. During this uncertain period, we expect the military to ensure that the rights of all Egyptian men and women are protected, including the right to peaceful assembly, due process, and free and fair trials in civilian courts. Moreover, the goal of any political process should be a government that respects the rights of all people, majority and minority; that institutionalizes the checks and balances upon which democracy depends; and that places the interests of the people above party or faction. The voices of all those who have protested peacefully must be heard - including those who welcomed today’s developments, and those who have supported President Morsy. In the interim, I urge all sides to avoid violence and come together to ensure the lasting restoration of Egypt’s democracy.

No transition to democracy comes without difficulty, but in the end it must stay true to the will of the people. An honest, capable and representative government is what ordinary Egyptians seek and what they deserve. The longstanding partnership between the United States and Egypt is based on shared interests and values, and we will continue to work with the Egyptian people to ensure that Egypt’s transition to democracy succeeds.”

147 Lidane  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:09:08pm

re: #142 Mattand

I just do not get conservatives anymore. Why the fuck would anyone cite Bobby Jindal as an authority on healthcare?

Because Jindal is what passes for an intellectual in the GOP.

148 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:09:24pm

re: #142 Mattand

So this guy…snip

I just do not get conservatives anymore. Why the fuck would anyone cite Bobby Jindal as an authority on healthcare?

He is versed in the removal of demons and scrofula. If you’ve got a leper, he’ll give him a hand.

149 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:10:04pm

re: #135 Velvet Elvis

John McCain Thinks Sexually Harassing College Students is a Constitutional Right.

Over the past month, conservatives and libertarians have criticized efforts to curb sexual harassment on college campuses as “de-eroticizing universities” and claimed they violate free

i think i just sprained something

150 Weet  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:10:13pm

re: #114 sliv_the_eli

Recent events give some measure of vindication to those of us who warned against the naive belief that the MB would become moderated once they were in power and would put the interest of the Egyptian people ahead of their own desire to consolidate power and impose their view of Islam on their contrymen and -woman.

I was somewhat that naïve (but wasn’t on LGF). Friends of mine that lived there for a decade before returning to the U.S. warned me. Said friends are celebrating today.

151 Mattand  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:10:20pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Because the alternative was … Sarah Palin? Rush Limbaugh? Mitch McConnell? Reince Preibus? Rick Perry? John McCain? Mitt Romney?

You can see the difficulty….

Actually, if he had cited Romney, I’d have let it slide. Not that I think ACA is a disaster, but at least Romney passed something similar.

152 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:10:28pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

He is versed in the removal of demons and scrofula. If you’ve got a leper, he’ll give him a hand.

He’s cured a ham and heeled a dog.

153 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:10:52pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

New word of the day: “Vaginocracy”.

—from the comments

I’m partial to “Gatlingina” as how the forced-birthers view women.

154 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:12:24pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

I’m partial to “Gatlingina” as how the forced-birthers view women.

Need the etymology on that one.

155 Mattand  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:12:32pm

re: #147 Lidane

Because Jindal is what passes for an intellectual in the GOP.

Yeah, after watching DF last night defend the idea that basically everyone in the workplace should be armed, I’m really beginning to question the GOP thought process.

156 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:12:49pm

re: #152 Kragar

He’s cured a ham and heeled a dog.

Heel Fido!

157 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:13:32pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

Need the etymology on that one.

Gatling gun + vagina == prolific baby producing machine. Sadly, I can’t claim the credit for it.

158 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:13:48pm

re: #147 Lidane

Because Jindal is what passes for an intellectual in the GOP.

he’s stuck in a hell between being smart enough to know he looks like a moron and being too stupid to figure out how to stop sounding like one

must be tough

159 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:15:05pm

re: #155 Mattand

Yeah, after watching DF last night defend the idea that basically everyone in the workplace should be armed, I’m really beginning to question the GOP thought process.

GUNZ everywhere. What could possibly go wrong?

160 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:15:30pm
161 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:16:06pm

re: #158 engineer cat

he’s stuck in a hell between being smart enough to know he looks like a moron and being too stupid to figure out how to stop sounding like one

must be tough

Man is certifiably not stupid. Just ‘fucked up’.

162 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:16:36pm

re: #151 Mattand

Actually, if he had cited Romney, I’d have let it slide. Not that I think ACA is a disaster, but at least Romney passed something similar.

But then he disowned it. Makes it problematic to cite him on it. Sure, it would have made more sense, but it would have been laughed right off of Facebook, by both sides.

163 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:18:52pm

re: #100 Gus

Also, you get to burn in a 4,000 degree fire for Gogol* years if you don’t follow the rules! //

And, as I sometimes like to point out, burning in agony for a googol years is only the tiniest foretaste of what eternity will be like.

————————-
* I think I prefer Pushkin years, myself.

164 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:19:26pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

Man is certifiably not stupid. Just ‘fucked up’.

Jindal is a smart man pandering to stupid, evil people (i.e., the GOP base). He irritates me more than most GOP clowns (Perry, Palin, Gohmert, King, etc.) precisely because he is smart enough to know better.

165 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:20:32pm

No matter what happens in Egypt the internationalists will still blame the USA. It’s like a sport with them.

166 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:21:04pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Jindal is a smart man pandering to stupid, evil people (i.e., the GOP base). He irritates me more than most GOP clowns (Perry, Palin, Gohmers, King, etc.) precisely because he is smart enough to know better.

Jindal’s internal victory speech: “What a buncha rubes.”

167 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:22:27pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Jindal is a smart man pandering to stupid, evil people (i.e., the GOP base). He irritates me more than most GOP clowns (Perry, Palin, Gohmert, King, etc.) precisely because he is smart enough to know better.

OBJECTION!

Assuming facts not in evidence.
/

168 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:22:44pm

re: #163 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

And, as I sometimes like to point out, burning in agony for a googol years is only the tiniest foretaste of what eternity will be like.

————————-
* I think I prefer Pushkin years, myself.

but i thought a company wide meeting is scheduled for around the time of the second coming!

i never get the important memos…

169 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:23:58pm

Dear Egypt. You elected Morsi into office and you know what? I bet $1000 that if an election was held tomorrow you would elect another MB candidate into office.

170 darthstar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:25:32pm
171 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:26:23pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

I can’t agree with that. I’m quite sure everyone involved knows exactly who and what they’re dealing with, but this is the real world and diplomatic choices must be made.

If only that was, indeed, the case. The reality is that all too many of the opinion-shaping elite spent many words and much breath trying to convince the public that the MB, once in power, would place the economic needs of the people first, promote protection of Christians and other minorities and, in general, become moderates. But you need not take my word for it. Some research on the writings and speeches of more than a few people of influence in our government — including a number of key advisers to the President — and in our media — a comparison of the editorial position and tone of, e.g., the NY Times then and now would make an interesting case study — will fairly readily dispel the notion that they were merely engaging in and promoting realpolitik. (For the record, I do not discount that the President has had to make very difficult decisions about how to navigate the upheaval in the Arab and Muslim world. In some cases, I have agreed with his choices. But I do not excuse his mistakes, either).

172 darthstar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:26:37pm

re: #160 Gus

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173 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:27:56pm

A few squabbles on Twitter today.

174 A Mom Anon  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:28:16pm

re: #145 twisty

I wouldn’t say ALMOST. They simply do not care who gets hurt by what they’re doing. Or not doing. They claim to love America, but really, they hate Americans.

175 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:28:20pm

re: #129 sliv_the_eli

A list probably too long to post here, but readily available to anyone who wants to go back and read what many of the so-called “experts” and “opinion leaders” in the West were saying not too long ago and how differently they speak of these issues today.

I mostly read people saying the MB had to moderate if they wanted to stay in power.

They had a choice. They’re not robots.

176 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:28:33pm

re: #167 Kragar

OBJECTION!

Assuming facts not in evidence.
/

From Wikipedia

Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, to Amar and Raj Jindal, who came to the United States as immigrants from Punjab, India, six months before he was born. Jindal attended Baton Rouge Magnet High School, graduating in 1988. While in high school, he competed in tennis tournaments, and started a computer newsletter, a retail candy business, and a mail-order software company. He spent his free time working at the concession stands during LSU football games. Jindal was one of 50 students nationwide admitted to the Program in Liberal Medical Education (PLME) at Brown University, guaranteeing him a place in medical school. Jindal completed majors in biology and public policy. He graduated in 1991 at the age of 20, with honors in both majors.
Jindal was named to the 1992 USA Today All-USA Academic Team. He applied to and was accepted by both Harvard Medical School and Yale Law School, but studied at New College, Oxford, as a Rhodes Scholar. He received an M.Litt. degree in political science with an emphasis in health policy from the University of Oxford in 1994, where the subject of his thesis was “A needs-based approach to health care”.

This is honestly an impressive resume. Thus, none of Jindal’s public clown moments have an explanation as banal as simple stupidity. Some combination of malice and/or religious freakery has to be invoked for every single one.

177 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:28:51pm

re: #150 Weet

I was somewhat that naïve (but wasn’t on LGF). Friends of mine that lived there for a decade before returning to the U.S. warned me. Said friends are celebrating today.

We can only wish the people of Egypt the best of luck in navigating the difficult times ahead, and offer our support to the real moderates among them in building a society that respects the rights of all.

178 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:31:41pm

re: #165 Gus

No matter what happens in Egypt the internationalists will still blame the USA. It’s like a sport with them.

Not only the internationalists. Egyptians on both sides of the latest upheaval. Take another look at the photo in my post #114.

179 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:32:37pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

From Wikipedia

This is honestly an impressive resume. Thus, none of Jindal’s public clown moments have an explanation as banal as simple stupidity. Some combination of malice and/or religious freakery has to be invoked for every single one.

So he’s an anchor baby?!?!

180 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:34:16pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

I know lots of smart people who have educated themselves into stupidity.

181 darthstar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:35:48pm

re: #179 William Barnett-Lewis

So he’s an anchor baby?!?!

Could be a terror baby. They have ‘em special like that, see? Then someone calls them on the phone one day and activates them. I seen it in a documentary with Charles Bronson. Anyway…the question just needed to be asked. Not saying it’s true about Jindal…but isn’t it odd nobody’s talking about it?
//

182 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:36:59pm

Let the derpishness begin!

183 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:37:18pm

Wikileaks Spokesman: U.S. ‘Obviously’ Responsible For ‘Outrageous’ Incident With Bolivian President’s Plane

Obviously.
/

They must think the word means “we don’t have any proof and, in fact, evidence shows the claim to be false, but we figure we can coast along on bullshit”.

184 thecommodore  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:37:35pm

re: #97 Gus

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GOHMERT! Award nominee?

185 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:39:07pm

re: #182 Gus

Let the derpishness begin!

Because every knows being on a boat means you can’t take telephone calls or communicate via email, and its not like a National holiday is happening soon.

186 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:40:09pm

re: #169 Gus

Dear Egypt. You elected Morsi into office and you know what? I bet $1000 that if an election was held tomorrow you would elect another MB candidate into office.

That is certainly a possibility, but not a certainty. There were several significant factors that led to Morsi’s election the first time around that may not hold true today, including:

1. The fact, ignored by many who pushed for quick elections, that the MB was the only truly organized opposition group in Egypt after Mubarak’s overthrow.

2. Since the MB had been suppressed for so many years by Egypt’s government, many Egyptians who otherwise did not wish for an Islamist regime nevertheless projected onto it their own desires.

3. While the Egyptian military had some organizational capacity, it was seen at the time as being in Mubarak’s camp, and any candidate it backed would have been opposed by many in Egypt for that reason.

4. The utter and complete disorganization and lack of cohesiveness of anything resembling a moderate opposition to the MB.

The second and third of these factors are certainly no longer the case, as demonstrated by the massive opposition to the Morsi regime and the deft role played by the military which likely shifted the view of a significant, if not an outright majority, of the Egyptian electorate. The first factor is probably still nominally true, but the military is taking steps to interrupt the MB’s organization capabilities.

The real risk remains that the fourth factor is probably still true and might, again, outweigh any factors in favor of a true democratization. It will now be up to those who wish to see a true democracy take root in the Middle East to give real and effective support to a unified moderate block. If we again fail to do so, the events of the last couple of years will likely repeat.

187 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:40:10pm

re: #169 Gus

Dear Egypt. You elected Morsi into office and you know what? I bet $1000 that if an election was held tomorrow you would elect another MB candidate into office.

Good reason not to hold an election tomorrow.

188 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:40:24pm

re: #185 Kragar

Because every knows being on a boat means you can’t take telephone calls or communicate via email, and its not like a National holiday is happening soon.

They took the bait too. The wingnuts are all enraged now.

189 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:40:48pm

re: #185 Kragar

Because every knows being on a boat means you can’t take telephone calls or communicate via email, and its not like a National holiday is happening soon.


190 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:42:33pm

re: #188 Gus

They took the bait too. The wingnuts are all enraged now.

Kerry should post his version of this:

Youtube Video

191 brennant  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:42:44pm

re: #182 Gus

Getting dizzy from all the head/desk-ing.

192 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:42:45pm

LOL It’s so crazy. They’re like rats. Like Pavlov’s dog.

193 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:43:27pm

re: #178 sliv_the_eli

Not only the internationalists. Egyptians on both sides of the latest upheaval. Take another look at the photo in my post #114.

human nature - their economy sucks, so all the traditional enemies + whoever is in power is in cahoots to fuck them over

194 thecommodore  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:43:58pm

Jindal (and Marco Rubio) are targets of some of the more monumentally idiotic birther claims:

nola.com

But, as Romney may learn as he winnows the field of candidates to serve as his running-mate, two of the individuals most often named as being under consideration — Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio — have been targeted by a certain strain of birthers who contend that neither man is constitutionally eligible to serve as president or vice president because, while they were both born in the United States, their parents were not U.S. citizens at the time their sons were born.

The claim is based on a tendentious and distinctly minority interpretation of what the Founding Fathers meant by “natural born,” when they wrote, in Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President …”
The ordinary reading of “natural born,” is that it means the same as “native born” — and would count someone born in the United States as a citizen regardless of the parents’ citizenship status.
=====
Among the most prominent of these is Joseph Farah, editor and CEO of the website, WolrdNetDaily, who wrote last August, “Two candidates for the job (vice president) are mentioned over and over again — two wonderful, charismatic public servants whose only problem is they are not constitutionally eligible to be president.

“They are Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida and Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana.
“Don’t get me wrong. I like both of these guys. If I were eligible to vote in Florida or Louisiana, I would vote to re-elect them. I would support either one for almost any job in America. But there is one job for which they are, by chance of birth, 100 percent, totally and inarguably ineligible to hold office — and that is the presidency of the United States.

“Why? Because both are sons of parents who were not U.S. citizens when they were born. It’s just that simple. To be a natural born citizen means to be the offspring of U.S. citizen parents at the time of birth.”

195 darthstar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:44:23pm
196 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:44:32pm

Kerry probably has more communication equipment on his yacht than is contained in the whole county I live in. Although my ISP recently upgraded so they can get on the internet two ways, so it should be a little less flaky now.

197 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:45:12pm

re: #176 EPR-radar

The religious aspect was probably part of his “Americanization”. The Indian-American community (including his parents, evidently) were not amused by his conversion to Catholicism. indolink.com

“Nikki” Haley followed a similar path, converting to christianity and abandoning her Sikh upbringing.

198 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:46:13pm

I’d love to show up at the next rally with a sign that reads: HAIL STAN

199 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:46:18pm

re: #195 darthstar

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200 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:46:58pm

re: #175 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut

I mostly read people saying the MB had to moderate if they wanted to stay in power.

They had a choice. They’re not robots.

They had a choice, but anyone who paid attention to what they have said and to what they stand — and have for the past 80 years stood — for would have known what their choice would be. The notion that they would choose to moderate was naive, at best. One need only have looked at what Hamas, the MB’s branch in the Gaza Strip, has done since its military coup in Gaza in 2007, to recognize how an MB government would behave.

n.b. For those unfamiliar with the roots of Hamas in the Muslim Brotherhood, some background is available from the Council on Foreign Relations: Link

201 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:47:05pm

re: #186 sliv_the_eli

the u.s. probably doesn’t want the mb in power anyway. however, having the mb in power for a year makes it much more vulnerable, it seems, than keeping it out of power, which only adds to its credibility

this is the paradox of winning elections vs being suppressed

202 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:47:11pm
203 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:49:03pm

To be a natural born citizen means to be the offspring of U.S. citizen parents at the time of birth

to think that george washington pulled the wool over the eyes of so many!

204 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:50:12pm

re: #202 Gus


John Kerry armed Obama?!?!?

wait a sec….

205 Kragar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:51:05pm

You know who else armed Muslim fanatics?

REAGAN!

206 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:52:19pm
207 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:52:58pm
208 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:54:06pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

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John Kerry armed Obama?!?!?

wait a sec….

The usual stupidity. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.

209 Justanotherhuman  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:54:10pm

re: #194 thecommodore

Eight of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were not born in the colonies. Does that make it invalid?

These RWNJs read the Constitution like the bible: interpreted to suit their own purposes.

210 darthstar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:55:06pm

re: #202 Gus

211 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:55:10pm

re: #203 engineer cat

To be a natural born citizen means to be the offspring of U.S. citizen parents at the time of birth

to think that george washington pulled the wool over the eyes of so many!

The founders did think of that, actually. People who were US citizens at the time the constitution was adopted were also eligible to be president. Washington was not a natural born citizen of the US because the US did not exist when he was born.

212 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:55:53pm

re: #208 Gus

The usual stupidity. Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right.

Some people call me Maurice.

213 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 4:56:19pm

re: #211 EPR-radar

The founders did think of that, actually. People who were US citizens at the time the constitution was adopted were also eligible to be president. Washington was not a natural born citizen of the US because the US did not exist when he was born.

Our first President was a furriner?!? MY WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE!!!

/

214 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:00:04pm

re: #211 EPR-radar

The founders did think of that, actually. People who were US citizens at the time the constitution was adopted were also eligible to be president. Washington was not a natural born citizen of the US because the US did not exist when he was born.

but he was eligible because he was a citizen and born here, not because of the status of his parents

215 Wile E. Wonka  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:00:12pm

re: #213 thedopefishlives

Our first President was a furriner?!? MY WHOLE LIFE IS A LIE!!!

/

Muahaha! IIRC, the first US President to have been born a citizen was Van Buren.

But he grew up speaking Dutch, so he don’t count neither.
//

216 darthstar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:01:55pm

It’s a trap!

Image: 942096_695540583808731_762413349_n.jpg

217 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:01:59pm

re: #200 sliv_the_eli

They had a choice, but anyone who paid attention to what they have said and to what they stand — and have for the past 80 years stood — for would have known what their choice would be. The notion that they would choose to moderate was naive, at best.

No, people really do sometimes change when events change dramatically. It’s possible. It wasn’t naive to hope. It was naive to expect it. I really did not see that many people expecting it.

218 EPR-radar  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:02:13pm

re: #214 engineer cat

but he was eligible because he was a citizen and born here, not because of the status of his parents

Of course. Jindal is clearly a natural born citizen, and is eligible to be president. I certainly didn’t mean to imply any endorsement of birther crap, even if the target is a wingnut Republican.

219 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:03:54pm
220 Wile E. Wonka  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:06:09pm

re: #207 Gus

Every time it starts to look to me like what we have come to in this country is the Paranoid Party and the Slightly Less Paranoid Party, I go back and read Richard Hofstadter’s 1964 “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” essay again.

It doesn’t make me feel any better, but I can take a little cold comfort that my generation didn’t invent the thing. *heh*

221 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:06:19pm

Notice how it’s “Obama’s Secretary of State.” What a country.

222 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:06:53pm

re: #219 Gus

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Click that link and see every fauxtrage going around today. Won’t do that again.

223 efuseakay  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:06:59pm

re: #205 Kragar

You know who else armed Muslim fanatics?

REAGAN!

That’s different.

224 Wile E. Wonka  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:10:00pm

re: #223 efuseakay

That’s different.

Yeah, back then God wasn’t backing both sides.

225 bratwurst  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:11:07pm

You know…if they don’t let up on Kerry, I don’t think there is ANY chance he will be able to beat George W. Bush in the upcoming 2004 election.

226 piratedan  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:11:10pm

because no republican government worker ever took a day off EVER….

227 sliv_the_eli  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:15:00pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

Good reason not to hold an election tomorrow.

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Exactly. An election — or a single election, as happened in the Palestinian Authority — does not a democracy make. First, there must be a structure of checks and balances and a constitution or a set of basic laws that establish and protect the rights of the minority. The United States’ experiment with representative democracy has succeeded, for all its flaws, only because the Bill of Rights was made part of the Constitution.

228 Gus  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:17:31pm
229 Weet  Wed, Jul 3, 2013 5:35:53pm

re: #180 Kragar

I know lots of smart people who have educated themselves into stupidity.

Except in rare cases, I don’t think intellect means a lot unless you develop common sense, emotional balance, wisdom. Jindal seems to be missing a key ingredient, and is corrupt.

230 Flavia  Thu, Jul 4, 2013 12:30:43am
I’m not sad in the least to see the people rise up and toss out the Muslim Brotherhood, but the words “military coup” don’t inspire a warm, safe feeling either

This crystallizes my feelings exactly. I WANT to be optimistic, but, given the outcome of the first revolt, I can’t be. I am reserving my felicitations until I see that they are actually warranted.

Sigh.


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