1 | Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:30:45pm |
Charles, I so want to break a BIG rule….
2 | Targetpractice Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:31:16pm |
Gotta love the mental pretzel they twist themselves into to justify Snowden running first to China and then to Russia. That America “drove him” to these places, and even though their civil rights records are abysmal, at least they’re not the US!
3 | Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:39:54pm |
re: #2 Targetpractice
Gotta love the mental pretzel they twist themselves into to justify Snowden running first to China and then to Russia. That America “drove him” to these places, and even though their civil rights records are abysmal, at least they’re not the US!
Haters don’t let the truth stand between them and their hate fix. We’ve seen that on the Right more frequently lately, but this should remind us that the left has its own people who act that.
4 | klys Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:42:19pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
Haters don’t let the truth stand between them and their hate fix. We’ve seen that on the Right more frequently lately, but this should remind us that the left has its own people who act that.
The left has just so far avoided putting them into power.
And as long as the right keeps at it and the left keeps taking in the refugees, we should be fine.
5 | piratedan Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:42:25pm |
maybe someday, somebody in the media will actually look at what he’s (Snowden) actually done versus what his mouthpiece is telling us to interpret it as.
I don’t want to come off as thinking that our government as being that shining monument on the hill, not with all of the crap that has been done in the name of “freedom and democracy” over the last seven or nine decades. The thing is these guys have no answers either, they’re children dancing around a bonfire enraptured by the flames and they have no concept of what can happen if the flames get into the fields, the forest or work their way to the house.
6 | bubba zanetti Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:43:57pm |
Looks like Roy Edroso has Michele Catalano’s number.
7 | OhNoZombies! Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:49:02pm |
Hey, what ever happened to that Russian oil tycoon Khodorkovsky?
Still in prison I guess.
All I know is, Putin doesn’t like competition.
Or LBGT.
Or girls who sing dissident songs…terribly.
8 | Kragar Thu, Aug 1, 2013 9:53:22pm |
Looks like Chief Kessler hasn’t quite accepted the fact he’s a total whacko.
Chief Kessler’s Constitution Security Force
“UPDATE”
I HAVE BEEN INFORMED OF THE FOLLOWING
THIS is about to get very interesting,
COUNCILMAN ERIC BOXER (D) , COUNCIL PRESIDENT DANIEL MALLOY (D) , MAYOR, MARY LOU HANNON (R) are going to have me terminated during this unjust thirty day suspension! Councilman ERIC BOXER (DEMOCRAT) leading the charge for termination by orders from MAYOR MARY LOU HANNON ( REPUBLICAN ) ALONG WITH COUNCIL PRESIDENT DANIEL MALLOY ( DEMOCRAT ) ARE conspiring behind closed doors for full termination, they needed to suspend first to allow themselves time to look for or make up any reason or lie
HEY BOXER, MALLOY , HANNON, YOU’RE COWARDS, YOU’RE HACKS, YOU PRETEND TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION,YOU SICKEN ME !(Address withheld)
UPDATE! found out who is pulling the strings , senator David Argall republican Pennsylvania, Congressman Matt Cartwright Democrat, both have been instructing people to ignore Gilberton borough authority and go directly to Pennsylvania state police, the same agency that did this!
A volatile, gun toting nutjob with paranoid delusions. What could possibly go wrong?
10 | Kragar Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:12:21pm |
12 | Carlos Diggler Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:14:34pm |
re: #8 Kragar
A volatile, gun toting nutjob with paranoid delusions. What could possibly go wrong?
This country was founded on gun toting nutjobs with paranoid delusions.
Glenn Washington Beck
13 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:16:11pm |
Oh, for fuck’s sake. I’ve never managed to see Chris Hayes’ show before, and now I wish I still hadn’t.
14 | ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:17:40pm |
Well all of you now know how deep in I am in Doctor Who.
17 | ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:20:09pm |
re: #16 klys
Moffat has Head Writer, Alexander Siddig as the 12th.
18 | gunnison Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:21:02pm |
Does Being in Russia Undercut Snowden’s Claims?
Let me think, Russia, admittedly with restrictions and surveillance, but at least able to see the sky, or in the next cell to Ted Kaszyinski out there in Florence, Colorado?
Is that supposed to be a tough call?
19 | klys Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:21:35pm |
re: #17 ProTARDISLiberal
Moffat has Head Writer, Alexander Siddig as the 12th.
I think you are missing the point of my comments, which is to see if I can make both you and Kragar twitch at the same time.
20 | Carlos Diggler Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:22:50pm |
Oh… it’s going to be one of those threads.
21 | Kragar Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:23:04pm |
Garth Marenghi’s Darkplace - Episode 06 - The Creeping Moss From The Shores Of Shuggoth
22 | klys Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:24:09pm |
re: #20 Carlos Diggler
Oh… it’s going to be one of those threads.
I am responsible for nothing, except being slightly tipsy and wanting to avoid packing for a three week trip.
23 | ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:25:45pm |
re: #19 klys
A bit to jaded for that here.
25 | ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:29:40pm |
re: #24 klys
I hope that little weasel gets comeuppance soon.
26 | darthstar Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:31:34pm |
27 | darthstar Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:31:59pm |
re: #26 darthstar
Diamonds or pearls?
Sorry…thought this was a presidential debate and there was a female candidate on the stage.
28 | klys Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:33:37pm |
re: #25 ProTARDISLiberal
I’m gonna take that as a twitch (the thought of him being the Dr.).
29 | ProTARDISLiberal Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:48:43pm |
re: #28 klys
No, just the little wastrel in general.
30 | sagehen Thu, Aug 1, 2013 10:55:49pm |
re: #18 gunnison
Let me think, Russia, admittedly with restrictions and surveillance, but at least able to see the sky, or in the next cell to Ted Kaszyinski out there in Florence, Colorado?
Is that supposed to be a tough call?
Howzabout… he could have planned ahead and been already in Iceland or Norway before the story came out and he could be identified? Most of Western Europe, for that matter.
Or if he’d converted to Judaism, Israel would take him in and not send him back.
We have no extradition treaty with Brazil, or a couple other Central and South American countries.
31 | SidewaysQuark Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:21:11pm |
I’ve been thinking about this whole Snowden business; here’s my humble thoughts on the matter:
From what I see (and correct me if I’m wrong), the big “revelation” by Snowden is that the NSA is keeping records of our phone and surfing data (not verbal content of our calls, but who called when, etc.) and that these are the SAME RECORDS that the privately owned communication providers have been keeping for years (as has been common knowledge). These records were shared, likely in accordance the agreement record for which we give tacit permission for by acknowledging the “terms of service” that no one without a tinfoil hat and a life outside mom’s basement ever reads, contributing to the general ignorance of what’s going on.
Assuming a warrant (or in extreme cases relevant to national security, a military or executive order) is required for the NSA to access these files, which is my understanding, I can’t honestly see the huge deal in this provision, and it seems, as usual, the government agency is actually held to HIGHER standards regarding preservation of our privacy than the actual (privately owned) communication providers are. It seems the government has a long way to go in catching up to the ubiquitous invasions of privacy that commercial industry has been allowed to get away with, with much lower accountability, for a long time. There’s no huge “tyrannical invasion” of our rights here at all, at least nothing new.
This all being said, I have two points to make:
1) This ‘scandal’ doesn’t seem a big deal. Thus, it seems the NSA, thinking in their right minds, could have run some major preemptive damage control, without compromising their security, by simply being open about this simple fact. This strikes me as a major public relations screw-up on the part of our Intelligence operations - which is the real ‘scandal’ here.
2) Given this isn’t a major revelation, I don’t see how this makes Snowden much of a “traitor”; more just an attention monger, who may even believe he’s doing the “right thing” in his naiveté. Yes, he should be punished for breaking the rules he committed to, but I don’t see where this, considering all the above, should warrant a draconian sentence, and I hope, based on that knowledge, it doesn’t happen.
Again, I’m no expert on the matter; I’m just a layperson trying to keep up, and open to input on my insight or lack thereof.
32 | gunnison Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:21:55pm |
re: #30 sagehen
Howzabout… he could have planned ahead and been already in Iceland or Norway before the story came out and he could be identified? Most of Western Europe, for that matter.
Or if he’d converted to Judaism, Israel would take him in and not send him back.
We have no extradition treaty with Brazil, or a couple other Central and South American countries.
Hey, I’m not defending the guy’s planning, it was piss-poor. I have no idea why he didn’t wait, or demand that Greenwald wait, and get situated better while he still had his US passport.
He’d like to hop over to Venezuala, I guess, since they’ve indicated they would look favorably on his asylum request. But he blew that opportunity by outing himself while still in Hong Kong, then flew to Russia, ostensibly with the intent to fly to Cuba and on to S America, but then found his passport invalidated and couldn’t go any further.
Dumber than hell, but there it is.
But none of that is what the question at the top of this thread asks about. It’s asking if his being in Russia undercuts his claims. I don’t see how those two things are even related. Would being in Venezuela add credibility to his claims?
Of course not.
33 | sagehen Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:30:26pm |
re: #31 SidewaysQuark
My vagueish understanding is that private companies keep metadata for just a few months; they use it to tailor your search results, or they sell compiled stats on millions of people collectively as market research to ad agencies, etc.
What the NSA is doing is trying to collect it all and keep it forever; so if you come under suspicion for something in 2019, or 2025, or 2035, they’ll get a warrant then and go swimming in the data pool to get years and years worth of stuff about you (and then maybe pull warrants for whoever you used to talk to, etc.).
34 | SidewaysQuark Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:36:31pm |
re: #33 sagehen
My vagueish understanding is that private companies keep metadata for just a few months; they use it to tailor your search results, or they sell compiled stats on millions of people collectively as market research to ad agencies, etc.
What the NSA is doing is trying to collect it all and keep it forever; so if you come under suspicion for something in 2019, or 2025, or 2035, they’ll get a warrant then and go swimming in the data pool to get years and years worth of stuff about you (and then maybe pull warrants for whoever you used to talk to, etc.).
Then it seems to me properly issued warrants would be the issue, rather than the fact data is shared. And yes, the way warrants are too often handed out willy-nilly is a serious concern of mine.
35 | klys Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:44:23pm |
re: #32 gunnison
But none of that is what the question at the top of this thread asks about. It’s asking if his being in Russia undercuts his claims. I don’t see how those two things are even related. Would being in Venezuela add credibility to his claims?
Of course not.
I think the difference here comes not from where he is but what he has said about the places he has been in contrast to the US - he’s had a number of statements praising Russia for law triumphing over “the illegal actions of the Obama administration” for example. At the same time, he’s claimed that what prompted his actions was principle - the idea that a nation shouldn’t be spying on its own people.
That’s what prompts the question and that’s what makes it ironic. Too bad he’s too wrapped up in …whatever… that he can’t see that.
Standing up for principle means taking the consequences of your actions, because your principles mean more than the law. Not trying to dodge them. Conversely, it’s really hard to argue from principle when you’re trying to dodge the consequences of your actions.
36 | Spocomptonite Thu, Aug 1, 2013 11:59:52pm |
I don’t think it undercuts his claims exactly, but it certainly puts on display his naivety and total ignorance of the world if he felt surveillance and intelligence gathering by the U.S. was so bad that he fled to CHINA AND RUSSIA to escape it.
The guy’s just a total idiot in everything he does. I can’t wait to see what he does in Russia.
37 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:00:52am |
re: #36 Spocomptonite
I am definitely not buying Greenwald’s claims of Snowden being terribly clever. Or intelligent.
38 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:16:21am |
Ok. Question for the Lizards:
I am in a wedding a week from Saturday. The bridesmaids’ dresses are a …unique… purple. He has a purple tie that I got him 4 years ago because I like the color purple and it was on sale. (He never wears ties anyway, it was a lark.) By chance, one of the shades of purple matches the dress.
He insisted on bringing back-up ties. I am insisting that he wear this tie once and it is a perfect opportunity since I will match. And it’s not like I picked the color of the damn dress either.
Unreasonable: yes or no?
(This will be the 3rd? 4th? time I will ever see him wear a tie. Two of those were my grandparents’ funerals, once was meeting my parents. I’m kind of hard pressed to come up with a 4th.)
39 | freetoken Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:21:24am |
re: #38 klys
Not clear on what exactly is the conundrum, but a tie in the hand is worth two in the closet.
40 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:24:03am |
re: #39 freetoken
Not clear on what exactly is the conundrum, but a tie in the hand is worth two in the closet.
He says it will be a sign of his love for me if he wears the purple tie (while making noises about it occasionally being a challenge to be married to me).
I say it will be a sign of my love for him if the “backup” ties make it into the car at all.
41 | freetoken Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:27:47am |
re: #40 klys
You mentioned “He” but it isn’t clear who “he” is or your relationship to him. Is he the groom, or in the groom’s party?
43 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:29:54am |
re: #41 freetoken
You mentioned “He” but it isn’t clear who “he” is or your relationship to him. Is he the groom, or in the groom’s party?
Oh, sorry. :)
He is my husband and not in the wedding party.
44 | freetoken Fri, Aug 2, 2013 12:33:22am |
re: #43 klys
Ok.
Not understanding why he wants “backup ties” if he never wears the things, but my feeling as a guy is that he ought to pick whatever ties he wants to take with him. It’s all mostly just a security thing anyway, sort of like a blankie. Used to take several ties on trips, just in case I needed them.
46 | William of Orange Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:03:37am |
What was wrong with Snowden’s assumption that anyone can be made suspicious? If you can get a visit by six law enforcement officers for just googling a “pressure cooker” and your husband was googling “backpacks”, then there is some weight there that his words are correct.
This is a paranoid society we’re living in.
47 | Shvaughn Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:18:11am |
re: #46 William of Orange
What was wrong with Snowden’s assumption that anyone can be made suspicious? If you can get a visit by six law enforcement officers for just googling a “pressure cooker” and your husband was googling “backpacks”, then there is some weight there that his words are correct.
This is a paranoid society we’re living in.
Sarcasm?
48 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:59:21am |
re: #46 William of Orange
What was wrong with Snowden’s assumption that anyone can be made suspicious? If you can get a visit by six law enforcement officers for just googling a “pressure cooker” and your husband was googling “backpacks”, then there is some weight there that his words are correct.
This is a paranoid society we’re living in.
An audit by a private company of a fired employee’s work computer came up with searches the company felt (stupidly perhaps) should be reported to law enforcement.
Probably a few million people searched for pressure cookers and backpacks following the Boston Marathon bombing. The one guy who got a visit by local cops because his ex employer informed law enforcement sheds less light on Snowden’s words than the millions of others who weren’t contacted at all.
49 | goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:11:10am |
re: #18 gunnison
Let me think, Russia, admittedly with restrictions and surveillance, but at least able to see the sky, or in the next cell to Ted Kaszyinski out there in Florence, Colorado?
Is that supposed to be a tough call?
I guess it’s an easy call if all Snowden wants to be known for is abject selfism. On the other hand it does smack of extreme hypocrisy to arrogate oneself to the role of free speech champion and purported whistleblower of abuse of power while hiding in and thus legitimizing a country with such an appalling civil rights track record. I think someone should ask Sergei Magnitsky what he thinks about the situation, but unfortunately that’s impossible.
50 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:22:23am |
re: #46 William of Orange
What was wrong with Snowden’s assumption that anyone can be made suspicious? If you can get a visit by six law enforcement officers for just googling a “pressure cooker” and your husband was googling “backpacks”, then there is some weight there that his words are correct.
This is a paranoid society we’re living in.
That wasn’t Snowden’s assumption.
51 | AntonSirius Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:25:56am |
re: #27 darthstar
Sorry…thought this was a presidential debate and there was a female candidate on the stage.
Or a Prince fan
52 | AntonSirius Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:31:00am |
re: #38 klys
Ok. Question for the Lizards:
I am in a wedding a week from Saturday. The bridesmaids’ dresses are a …unique… purple. He has a purple tie that I got him 4 years ago because I like the color purple and it was on sale. (He never wears ties anyway, it was a lark.) By chance, one of the shades of purple matches the dress.
He insisted on bringing back-up ties. I am insisting that he wear this tie once and it is a perfect opportunity since I will match. And it’s not like I picked the color of the damn dress either.
Unreasonable: yes or no?
(This will be the 3rd? 4th? time I will ever see him wear a tie. Two of those were my grandparents’ funerals, once was meeting my parents. I’m kind of hard pressed to come up with a 4th.)
Since when were guys allowed to pick which tie they wore at a wedding, unless they were going stag?
Is this a victory for the Men’s Rights movement?
53 | lawhawk Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:31:14am |
re: #36 Spocomptonite
He wasn’t going to China, Russia, or to his ultimate destination to evade NSA spycraft or to avoid further searches. It was to avoid being arrested and being held responsible for his criminality by releasing classified documents which he was not authorized to do. He engaged in multiple violations of the Espionage Act. That’s why he fled. That’s why he’s on the run.
The fact that he’s now in Russia doesn’t undercut his claims; Greenwald is doing that aplenty. Each time Greenwald “reports” another new development or new NSA slide, it’s accompanied by a few important words - not without a warrant.
Greenwald is trying to have it both ways. Hyping the NSA’s ability to scour the Internet and electronic communications (which is its damned job btw Glenn - it’s supposed to be gathering intel to assist policy makers in making tough decisions that affect national security), and there are procedures in place to address when those electronic searches affect US citizens. It’s called warrants, and while we can question whether the warrant process is strict enough, the policy is in place and the NSA appears to have abided by it. Greenwald’s claims are really hypotheticals of what the NSA could do if unconstrained by US law and the Constitution.
Greenwald likewise ignores all the ways that foreign governments, including those of Russia and China have no such constraints or ignore what constraints are in place to spy not only on foreign entities, but citizens of their countries and engage in all kinds of acts that are clear violations of civil and human rights.
Snowden’s actions by going to China and Russia indicate bad intent, a plan to evade justice.
54 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:40:53am |
Snowden did not plan well. He burned his bridges, and believed that he would only spend at most a few hours in the Moscow airport before boarding his connecting flight to Cuba which would then take him to Venezuela or Ecuador or Bolivia or wherever else he thought he might end up. Iceland was his first choice but they were having none of him.
Ms. Pokempner is just mouthing Greenwald talking points. She should STFU this is not a “human rights” issue.
55 | lawhawk Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:49:48am |
re: #48 goddamnedfrank
A company that fired a worker may consider reporting that to be a proper course of action considering that there have been so many workplace shootings and other incidents involving former employees that were fired. If they failed to inform law enforcement and the former employee did engage in acts of violence, the company may have had liability issues to contend with.
But as you note, the search terms took place after the Boston bombing, so those terms could have been in that context, and nothing more.
Of course, now all kinds of media outlets (including WPIX in NYC) are ignoring the updates and followup that show the search was initiated not by some Google search warrant or NSA or FBI action, but because a former employer spotted terms during a search of the former employee’s computer records and alerted authorities directly.
56 | lawhawk Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:51:49am |
Put another way, the Catalano incident highlights just how employers are able to check employee (former and current) computer searches and can be far more invasive in their searches than anything the government does - up to and including initiating a law enforcement search on the basis of the employer searches of employee computers.
57 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:52:04am |
re: #38 klys
Ok. Question for the Lizards:
I am in a wedding a week from Saturday. The bridesmaids’ dresses are a …unique… purple. He has a purple tie that I got him 4 years ago because I like the color purple and it was on sale. (He never wears ties anyway, it was a lark.) By chance, one of the shades of purple matches the dress.
He insisted on bringing back-up ties. I am insisting that he wear this tie once and it is a perfect opportunity since I will match. And it’s not like I picked the color of the damn dress either.
Unreasonable: yes or no?
(This will be the 3rd? 4th? time I will ever see him wear a tie. Two of those were my grandparents’ funerals, once was meeting my parents. I’m kind of hard pressed to come up with a 4th.)
He will wear the tie that you picked out and like it.
The last time Zedushka wore a tie was at our son’s wedding in Alabama 2008, because our son insisted on it and even provided the tie, and knotted it around his father’s neck so he would look good in the pictures.
At our other son’s wedding in 2009, and our daughter’s wedding in 2012, no tie was provided, so none was worn.
58 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:07:18am |
So, does this video prove that Chris Hayes is firmly up Snowald’s ass?
I was surprised that a HRW shill was allowed to piss on the conversation; in fact, I’m surprised that HRW supports this BS at all in this manner.
Hayes has never been this “fair and balanced” when Glennlandia is on his show, has he?
59 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:14:17am |
re: #58 Justanotherhuman
So, does this video prove that Chris Hayes is firmly up Snowald’s ass?
I was surprised that a HRW shill was allowed to piss on the conversation; in fact, I’m surprised that HRW supports this BS at all in this manner.
Hayes has never been this “fair and balanced” when Glennlandia is on his show, has he?
I just wanted to punch Ms. Pokempner right in her lipstick-coated teeth and mess her hair up.
Snowden ended up in Russia BECAUSE HE SUCKS AT PLANNING THINGS OUT. It was not a deliberate decision on his part to choose a powerful nation that would “protect” him because they are “strong enough” to put a thumb in Obama’s eye.
I imagine that he was kind of desperate but his discomfort was not caused by “other countries being afraid of the U.S.” but by PUTIN BEING 100% IN CONTROL.
60 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:15:35am |
Jim Maceda was reporting on MSNBC just now that Snowden is allegedly living with an ex-pat American family and doesn’t want to work in IT anymore, but prefers to become a “human rights activist”.
Now I understand how Human Rights Watch is involved in this.
Great way to smear your name, HRW.
61 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:17:14am |
re: #60 Justanotherhuman
Jim Maceda was reporting on MSNBC just now that Snowden is allegedly living with an ex-pat American family and doesn’t want to work in IT anymore, but prefers to become a “human rights activist”.
Now I understand how Human Rights Watch is involved in this.
Great way to smear your name, HRW.
Why would he turn down a lucrative job at gay-torturing vKontakte, could it be that it would make Glenn Greenwald look bad?
62 | Dr Lizardo Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:17:40am |
re: #60 Justanotherhuman
Jim Maceda was reporting on MSNBC just now that Snowden is allegedly living with an ex-pat American family and doesn’t want to work in IT anymore, but prefers to become a “human rights activist”.
Now I understand how Human Rights Watch is involved in this.
Great way to smear your name, HRW.
So Snowden wants to be a ‘human rights activist’?
In Russia?
That should go over well; I’m sure that he, with his immense prestige and standing on the world state, will have great influence on the various policies pursued by the Russian government.
LOLOLOLOL
63 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:20:29am |
re: #62 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist
So Snowden wants to be a ‘human rights activist’?
In Russia?
That should go over well; I’m sure that he, with his immense prestige and standing on the world state, will have great influence on the various policies pursued by the Russian government.
LOLOLOLOL
I missed his statement about Pussy Riot.
64 | Dr Lizardo Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:23:45am |
re: #63 Vicious Babushka
I missed his statement about Pussy Riot.
As did I. I also missed his commentary regarding Alexander Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya, the imprisonment of Pussy Riot members and the ongoing persecution of members of the LGBT community.
65 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:24:11am |
re: #64 Dr Lizardo, Drooling Jingoist
As did I. I also missed his commentary regarding Alexander Litvinenko, Anna Politkovskaya, the imprisonment of Pussy Riot members and the ongoing persecution of members of the LGBT community.
They are less important than he is.
66 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:27:03am |
Haha, we should all see GG’s “fine hand” in all of this, don’t you know.
Of course, Snowjob is doing a fine job of becoming as big a grifter as Klondike Barbie.
How are actual Russian dissidents, esp those jailed for far less than what Snowden did, going to view this privileged, bankrolled thief of American state secrets, and the fact that Putin paid far more favorable attention to him than the human rights violations they suffered under Putin? Surely there was some quid pro quo. Putin would never have allowed this without something in return, even if it’s just poking a finger in my president’s eye and the country in which I live.
67 | Dr Lizardo Fri, Aug 2, 2013 5:28:41am |
68 | Flounder Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:02:53am |
The President will be 52 this Sunday, I wonder what his favorite cake is?
I am hankering for some of my wife’s apple pie. Her secret? Slicing the apples thin.
70 | Varek Raith Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:28:14am |
71 | Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:31:41am |
re: #8 Kragar
Looks like Chief Kessler hasn’t quite accepted the fact he’s a total whacko.
Chief Kessler’s Constitution Security Force
A volatile, gun toting nutjob with paranoid delusions. What could possibly go wrong?
Trayvon Martin unavailable for comment.
72 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:32:30am |
re: #70 Varek Raith
‘Pastafarian’ Man Wins Religious Liberty Battle To Wear A Pasta Strainer On His Government ID Card
ROFL.
It’s sort of a slow news day…
73 | Political Atheist Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:35:17am |
Researchers at the University of Missouri at St. Louis followed about 2,600 students participating in gang-prevention programs in seven different cities over the course of seven years. They subjected some students to random police stops, even when they hadn’t done anything wrong, some to stops and arrests, while others were not stoppere: #66 Justanotherhuman
Rumor is his punishment will be forcing him to listen to Pussy Riot 24/7
74 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:42:43am |
re: #73 Political Atheist
Researchers at the University of Missouri at St. Louis followed about 2,600 students participating in gang-prevention programs in seven different cities over the course of seven years. They subjected some students to random police stops, even when they hadn’t done anything wrong, some to stops and arrests, while others were not stoppe
Rumor is his punishment will be forcing him to listen to Pussy Riot 24/7
What does research prove when we already know who actually is stopped, according to statistics we have?
75 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:43:05am |
re: #70 Varek Raith
‘Pastafarian’ Man Wins Religious Liberty Battle To Wear A Pasta Strainer On His Government ID Card
ROFL.
I don’t get the point he is trying to make. ThinkProg is trying to link this to “Hobby Lobby” denying contraception coverage to their employees, but this guy is in the Czech Republic. I don’t think he is protesting Hobby Lobby.
Is he pissed that Jews, Muslims and Sikhs get to wear headcoverings on their photo IDs?
76 | Varek Raith Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:46:06am |
re: #75 Vicious Babushka
I don’t get the point he is trying to make. ThinkProg is trying to link this to “Hobby Lobby” denying contraception coverage to their employees, but this guy is in the Czech Republic. I don’t think he is protesting Hobby Lobby.
Is he pissed that Jews, Muslims and Sikhs get to wear headcoverings on their photo IDs?
Beats me. I was just amused at the pic. ^^
77 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:47:53am |
re: #76 Varek Raith
Beats me. I was just amused at the pic. ^^
So he’s going to be laughed at every time he shows his ID. Why does he want Pastafarians to be subjected to mockery and ridicule?//
78 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:49:21am |
They want us chatting about Weiner and not Detroit. This is a Democrat ploy of misdirection.— Grover Norquist (@GroverNorquist) August 2, 2013
Derp.
79 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:49:49am |
re: #77 Vicious Babushka
So he’s going to be laughed at every time he shows his ID. Why does he want Pastafarians to be subjected to mockery and ridicule?//
Maybe he should have worn a hair shirt just to complete the photo…
80 | Varek Raith Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:50:14am |
81 | Flounder Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:53:37am |
I never get tired of weiner jokes, or fart jokes!
82 | Varek Raith Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:55:03am |
re: #81 Flounder
I never get tired of weiner jokes, or fart jokes!
Especially when one walks right into the joke.
83 | chadu Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:56:17am |
84 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 6:56:57am |
Hot on the heels of describing the US as tyrannical over NSA, the Guardian's now publishing pro-Mugabe propaganda. http://t.co/jWm3GvOeYJ— Danielle (@DCPlod) August 2, 2013
85 | Varek Raith Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:00:37am |
86 | chadu Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:01:10am |
re: #53 lawhawk
Each time Greenwald “reports” another new development or new NSA slide, it’s accompanied by a few important words - not without a warrant.
Greenwald is trying to have it both ways. Hyping the NSA’s ability to scour the Internet and electronic communications (which is its damned job btw Glenn - it’s supposed to be gathering intel to assist policy makers in making tough decisions that affect national security), and there are procedures in place to address when those electronic searches affect US citizens. It’s called warrants, and while we can question whether the warrant process is strict enough, the policy is in place and the NSA appears to have abided by it. Greenwald’s claims are really hypotheticals of what the NSA could do if unconstrained by US law and the Constitution.
I’m really liking Senator Franken’s take on the whole situation: figuring out the proper balance between privacy and security, and more transparency in the warrant process.
87 | Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:01:30am |
Thank God I don’t live in an area where Comcast is my only option:
The folks at DSLReports write that consumers in the Fresno, CA, area are receiving promotional e-mails from Comcast about a new “Flexible-Data Option that “is specifically designed for casual or light Internet users who typically use 5 GB of data or less a month.”
Just like the TWC nonsense, the Comcast plan gives customers a $5 discount if they stay under 5GB/month. Cross that line… no discount. Additionally, you get charged an additional $1/GB of data used during that month.
Some might ask, “Why is this such a bad deal? After all, who wouldn’t want to save $5?”Thing is, Comcast doesn’t officially cap broadband usage, but it will spank users who repeatedly go over 200-250GB in a month. So conservatively figuring that you could safely get away with 150GB of data a month on a $60 subscription, you’d be giving up access to more than 95% of that data for a paltry savings of only 8.3% on your monthly bill.
And under the Comcast plan, if you cross that 5GB threshold, you’ll actually be paying more than people with the ability to tap hundreds of gigabytes in a month.
These metered internet shenanigans are getting old fast. I guess we must accept the fact that truly “unlimited” data is going the way of the Dinosaur.
On another note, the article mentions that Comcast and similar companies like TWC, have openly admitted the reason for data caps is NOT due to internet congestion, it’s just a money making scheme.
88 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:04:36am |
DERP
Just because ACLU and HRW have jumped on the Greenwald bandwagon DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE EVERYTHING THEY SAY TEH TROOF.
The ACLU says: “Edward Snowden is a Whistleblower … it is not a hard question to answer” http://t.co/7Ctp8uk8pG— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 2, 2013
89 | Internet Tough Guy Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:06:23am |
re: #84 Gus
After reading that, I’m completely convinced that the Guardian exists just to justify right-wing stereotypes of liberals.
90 | Internet Tough Guy Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:07:00am |
re: #88 Vicious Babushka
ZOMG ARGUMENT FROM AUTHORI….oh it’s Glenn so it’s OK
91 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:08:01am |
re: #90 Internet Tough Guy
ZOMG ARGUMENT FROM AUTHORI….oh it’s Glenn so it’s OK
Glenn is starting to sound like Prudence.
92 | Varek Raith Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:09:45am |
93 | Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:10:49am |
94 | b.d. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:11:42am |
re: #84 Gus
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Why a Robert Mugabe victory would be good for Zimbabwe
WTF?
He’s been such a great thing for Zimbabwe for the last 1/4 century or so.
//
95 | Varek Raith Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:12:50am |
re: #94 b.d.
WTF?
He’s been such a great thing for Zimbabwe for the last 1/4 century or so.
//
Last inflation numbers before ditching their currency;
89,700,000,000,000,000,000,000%
97 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:18:10am |
re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg
I guess we must accept the fact that truly “unlimited” data is going the way of the Dinosaur.
Nope.
You can easily burn through 5GB in a single evening of Netflix watching. They can have my uncapped bandwidth when they pry it from my cold, dead router.
98 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:20:23am |
Sure, the story of Obama’s thugs searching someone's home over a Google search turned out to be false, but it feels true. That's the point.— Whitey Dudebro (@WhiteyDudebro) August 2, 2013
100 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:21:49am |
FINALLY!
‘Pastafarian’ Man Wins Religious Liberty Battle To Wear A Pasta Strainer On His Government ID Card http://t.co/NgutKg8rSb— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 2, 2013
102 | bubba zanetti Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:22:40am |
re: #98 Vicious Babushka
So I missed the whole DudeBro thing - is it a white male privilege thing?
103 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:24:30am |
Seriously, Sirota?
LOL! Debunked. RT @davidsirota Is this how the NSA is deploying its Internet surveillance? This story is crazy: http://t.co/A1orFwJlpG …— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) August 1, 2013
104 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:24:31am |
Snowden spent 40 days in the Moscow airport. According to Russian belief, it is the period a soul remains on earth before final departure.— Leonid Ragozin (@leonidragozin) August 1, 2013
105 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:27:04am |
It’s morning, again.
raining in the Very Far Western parts of Chicagoland.
you?
106 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:33:15am |
DERP OF THE DAY (so far)
I love helping the needy by donating to private organizations who don't solicit votes in return for charity. #tcot #lnyhbt— John Liberty (@JohnLibertyUSA) August 2, 2013
107 | Mattand Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:35:54am |
re: #102 bubba zanetti
So I missed the whole DudeBro thing - is it a white male privilege thing?
Sounds like it. I may be wrong, but to me, it sounds like an outgrowth of frat boy culture; i.e., “bros before hos” idiocy.
I think it’s related, if not the alter ego, of another noxious privilege movement: the Men’s Rights Advocate, or MRA.
That’s the penis-based version of conservatives who scream that white people are being discriminated against.
108 | Ian G. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:36:35am |
re: #78 Gus
What exactly is there to talk about Detroit? Racism and redlining? The folly of urban sprawl? The folly of putting a city’s economic eggs in one basket (the automotive industry)?
Oh, right Detroit is what happens when you elect libtards, or something. Apparently, Austin and Portland are run by right-wingers. Derp.
109 | Ian G. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:38:05am |
re: #106 Vicious Babushka
Do they solicit souls in return for charity (i.e. you must accept Jesus as your savior if you want our help!)? Because that’s just as obnoxious, and it’s why I only donate to secular charities.
110 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:40:46am |
re: #108 Ian G.
What exactly is there to talk about Detroit? Racism and redlining? The folly of urban sprawl? The folly of putting a city’s economic eggs in one basket (the automotive industry)?
Oh, right Detroit is what happens when you elect libtards, or something. Apparently, Austin and Portland are run by right-wingers. Derp.
Detroit is fucked, but it was caused by a variety of factors that all converged. RWNJ’s just like to flog the HURR HURR LIBRULZ!!11!! meme. Major U.S. cities tend to have LIBRUL city governments. The only cities who currently have GOP city governments are those jewels of prosperity, Indianapolis and Albuquerque.
111 | Weet Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:41:53am |
Has Chris Hayes always been a dimwit? When Schindler asserts, “Every intelligence person in the world understands that when an intelligence person takes refuge in a country in which there is a hostile intelligence service, that person is a defector. This is universally understood in the intelligence business…”, Chris Hayes cuts him off with this idiotic retort: “Wait a second, … ‘universally understood’ is not evidence.”
Yet Hayes lets Dinah Pokempner’s wholly unsupported statements stand. She said, “Snowden revealed massive and serious human rights violations” and later, “The US Government has driven him to Russia.”
I really wish Schindler had been harsher, “Chris, what kind of unicorn candyland do you live in?”
Hey Pokempner, if you didn’t already know that countries are spying on each other electronically, then you are not doing your job. Multiple books have explored this subject, including Eichenwald’s 500 Days.
“The US Government has driven him to Russia.” And not a peep out of Hayes to confront this nutjob statement.
112 | Dr Lizardo Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:42:42am |
re: #100 darthstar
FINALLY!
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As a member of the Naqshibandi school of Sufism, I embrace our Pastafarian brothers and support them in their struggle for religious liberty!
I think the Church of the FSM is cool; it’s a fun bunch.
113 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:42:47am |
re: #109 Ian G.
Do they solicit souls in return for charity (i.e. you must accept Jesus as your savior if you want our help!)? Because that’s just as obnoxious, and it’s why I only donate to secular charities.
This idiot libertardarian thinks Democrats “buy votes” with WELFARE AND FOOD STAMPZ!!!1!! but PRIVATE CHARITIES HELPZ TEH NEEDY MOAR THEN FOOD STAMPZ!!11!! even though there are “private charities” which are nothing but billion-dollar scams.
114 | lawhawk Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:43:51am |
re: #103 darthstar
If it feels right, they’ll run with it. Facts be damned. Let’s just ignore that the Suffolk PD was the one who carried out the search after they were tipped off by the husband’s former employer who searched their company computers to find the search terms. It wasn’t some massive NSA or FBI or CIA search of Google terms; it was an employer who was worried that a former employee might be up to no good.
115 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:44:02am |
DERP DERP HURR HURR
@viciousbabushka Especially the Obama government that is full of scams & scandals and is exempt from programs mandatory for everyne else— John Liberty (@JohnLibertyUSA) August 2, 2013
116 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:44:14am |
Embassies throughout the Muslim world to close Sunday on Obama's birthday. http://t.co/G0DNmPFBFG— The Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) August 2, 2013
Stupid.
117 | Ian G. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:45:46am |
re: #110 Vicious Babushka
Detroit is fucked, but it was caused by a variety of factors that all converged.
Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. Sprawl has to be a big one of the factors. Compare Detroit to other rust-belt cities that have lost a lot of people like Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and you see just how big it is, and just how much of it is abandoned. It’s hard to govern something like that. Cleveland and Pittsburgh have their blighted areas, but they’re much less extensive because the cities are more compact.
And Cleveland and Pittsburgh have the basis for a meds-and-eds revival (Carnegie Mellon and UP Medical Center; Case Western and the Cleveland Clinic). I don’t know if Detroit has that.
118 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:49:42am |
re: #117 Ian G.
Yeah, that’s what I was getting at. Sprawl has to be a big one of the factors. Compare Detroit to other rust-belt cities that have lost a lot of people like Cleveland and Pittsburgh, and you see just how big it is, and just how much of it is abandoned. It’s hard to govern something like that. Cleveland and Pittsburgh have their blighted areas, but they’re much less extensive because the cities are more compact.
And Cleveland and Pittsburgh have the basis for a meds-and-eds revival (Carnegie Mellon and UP Medical Center; Case Western and the Cleveland Clinic). I don’t know if Detroit has that.
While most cities have their inner cities and their wealthier neighborhoods, Detroit is surrounded by middle and upper-class suburbs which are mostly white, and which are totally separate and autonomous from anything that goes on within Detroit city limits.
119 | AntonSirius Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:49:45am |
re: #70 Varek Raith
‘Pastafarian’ Man Wins Religious Liberty Battle To Wear A Pasta Strainer On His Government ID Card
ROFL.
Praise His Noodly Appendages
120 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:53:48am |
re: #118 Vicious Babushka
While most cities have their inner cities and their wealthier neighborhoods, Detroit is surrounded by middle and upper-class suburbs which are mostly white, and which are totally separate and autonomous from anything that goes on within Detroit city limits.
And that hasn’t changed in 100 years.
121 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:53:59am |
Will Bulger take the stand???? We’ll know soon:
#Bulger is back, just smiled at niece and nephew in the front row and raised his eyebrows as if it say, here we go— Shelley Murphy (@shelleymurph) August 2, 2013
122 | Weet Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:54:32am |
re: #114 lawhawk
If it feels right, they’ll run with it. Facts be damned. Let’s just ignore that the Suffolk PD was the one who carried out the search after they were tipped off by the husband’s former employer who searched their company computers to find the search terms. It wasn’t some massive NSA or FBI or CIA search of Google terms; it was an employer who was worried that a former employee might be up to no good.
Yep. And furthermore, the reported search term was ‘pressure cooker bomb’. Note the word ‘bomb’. The Ms. did not use that word in her blog report, from what I read here.
123 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:54:33am |
OK. I forgive you if you haven't yet, but NOW is the time to follow our live updates from the Bulger trial http://t.co/eILryPDevb #willhe?— Michael Naughton (@MetroBosMike) August 2, 2013
124 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 7:56:17am |
False alarm….he won’t
Carney: When the jury returns the defense will rest; #Bulger will not testify— Shelley Murphy (@shelleymurph) August 2, 2013
125 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:00:17am |
It’s Friday. My 4 day migraine has abated. I am exhausted.
I wanna stay in my jammies all day, but I have so much to do …
conundrum.
126 | bubba zanetti Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:01:45am |
My favorite part of the pressure cooker googling story is the idea that a terrorist would also need to google “backpacks”— Whet Moser (@whet) August 2, 2013
127 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:02:13am |
Sorry for the Bulger posts, last one:
“As far as I'm concerned I didn't get a fair trial, this is a sham,” #Bulger said. ”You're a coward,” Pat Donahue yelled— Shelley Murphy (@shelleymurph) August 2, 2013
Pat(ricia)’s husband was killed by Bulger in ‘82.
128 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:03:12am |
BREAKING: State Department issues worldwide travel alert due to al-Qaida threat: http://t.co/igUjtIrBrS— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) August 2, 2013
130 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:06:53am |
Abandoned Walmart is Now America’s Largest Library
It’s an appropriate Friday.
131 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:07:18am |
re: #125 FemNaziBitch
It’s Friday. My 4 day migraine has abated. I am exhausted.
I wanna stay in my jammies all day, but I have so much to do …
conundrum.
Do what I do, which is usually:
* Not much of anything productive all weekend; followed by
* Mad panic Sunday evening trying to cram 6 hours worth of chores into 2.
132 | wrenchwench Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:08:52am |
133 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:09:45am |
Kasich/Taylor hide Ohio’s insurance rates
deadline for the state to approve the plans was yesterday. The 200+ insurance plans that the state approved were forwarded on to the federal Department of Health and Human Services, who is actually running the exchange.
I’ve been anticipating the press release from Mary Taylor with the approved plans because I have a handy chart all ready for readers, and I just need the premiums.
Small problem: she doesn’t include any information in the release. Just that “average premiums” are rising 41% (which is interesting, because in June she said it was 88%) and that insurance companies’ costs are rising 83% (which actually seems like a fantastic deal for consumers).
134 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:10:55am |
re: #132 wrenchwench
I doubt he sold it, but the current Pope gave up the golden throne.
I have a feeling each new Pope get’s to choose his chair from a stack of them in the Vatican Attic.
136 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:15:45am |
NO HE DOES NOT YOU LYING MORON.
Barack the Benevolent takes $13 billion from families with special needs children. http://t.co/n68cZshKx7— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 2, 2013
137 | steve_davis Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:17:59am |
re: #43 klys
Oh, sorry. :)
He is my husband and not in the wedding party.
If he’s your husband, then lay his damned clothes out for him the morning of the wedding and tell him that’s what he’s wearing. Didn’t your mother teach you anything? :-)
138 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:18:06am |
IMHO, it’s all smoke and mirrors at the Vatican.
139 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:19:39am |
How do I get Zedushka to stop smoking in the garage?
DUDEBRO: Stop parking in his smoking area!
DUDEBRO II: Let him smoke in the house!
140 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:21:27am |
re: #139 Vicious Babushka
How do I get Zedushka to stop smoking in the garage?
DUDEBRO: Stop parking in his smoking area!
DUDEBRO II: Let him smoke in the house!
Give him a covered, heated, air conditioned smoking area outside? Complete with recliner, remote, reading lamp and electronics of choice?
141 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:21:55am |
re: #140 FemNaziBitch
Give him a covered, heated, air conditioned smoking area outside? Complete with recliner, remote, reading lamp and electronics of choice?
He’d love that!
142 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:22:22am |
An old friend refused to let her husband smoke in the house. He set up his man cave in the garage, complete with refridgerator, recliner, TV and space heater.
143 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:23:31am |
re: #142 FemNaziBitch
An old friend refused to let her husband smoke in the house. He set up his man cave in the garage, complete with refridgerator, recliner, TV and space heater.
He would so totally do that if only I didn’t clutter up his space with my SUV.
144 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:27:18am |
JUST ASKIN’ QUESTIONS!!11 IS IT OKAY TO TARGET PRACTICE?
Just asking so please don't flame. What are workable ways to deal with the millions here illegally? Looking for practicable answers. #LNYHBT— melehi (@melehi54) August 2, 2013
145 | GeneJockey Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:28:13am |
re: #100 darthstar
FINALLY!
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He should put wings on it. Then it would be Der Fliegende Colander.
146 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:29:29am |
Charlie Rangel is confused in his old age. The people that fought against Civil Rights were known as “The Democrats”: http://t.co/OkrqzpZNJm— AG (@AG_Conservative) August 2, 2013
Derp, derp, derp.
147 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:29:46am |
Yesterday was Frank Little’s birthday, who was lynched for the sin of organizing labor.
In early July 1917, Little arrived in Butte, Montana, to help organize a copper miners’ union and lead a miners’ strike against the Anaconda Copper Company. In the early hours of August 1, six masked men broke into Little’s hotel room.He was beaten and taken to the edge of town where he was lynched from a railroad trestle.A note with the words “First and last warning” was pinned to his chest, along with the initials of other union leaders, and the numbers 3-7-77 (a vigilante code famously used by the vigilance committee of Virginia City, Montana).
Fun note: Anaconda Copper Company was the model Ayn Rand used for one of the big heroic companies in Atlas Shrugged.
149 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:30:14am |
re: #100 darthstar
FINALLY!
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Same thing happened in Austria 2 years ago: Austrian Man Wins Right to Wear Pasta Strainer in License Photo
150 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:30:38am |
re: #143 Vicious Babushka
He would so totally do that if only I didn’t clutter up his space with my SUV.
151 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:30:46am |
152 | EmmaAnne Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:32:18am |
Well, let’s see. Is there any contradiction between Snowden’s Freedom! Libertarian! ideals and living in a country that plans to arrest gay olympic athletes? Hmm, that’s a difficult one. Grrr.
153 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:33:10am |
re: #151 Vicious Babushka
They really believe their own revisionist shit.
And again…
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84-16%)
154 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:33:49am |
Oh, well then maybe we do need mass NSA spying RT @NBCNews US issues worldwide travel alert over al Qaeda threat http://t.co/vDPnLC5Bcc— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 2, 2013
155 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:34:30am |
Next they’re going to argue that Dixiecrats were liberals.
156 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:34:47am |
158 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:35:44am |
re: #153 Gus
And again…
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84-16%)
I attempted to have a Twitter conversation earlier this week with a couple of RWNJ’s who were Derping. It was frustrating and face-palming HURR HURR I DON’T BELIEVE ANY LIBRUL WEBSITES LIKE STANFORD AND ARCHIVES.GOV!!!111!!
159 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:35:53am |
re: #153 Gus
And again…
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84-16%)
It’s about keeping everyone confused.
160 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:36:36am |
re: #145 GeneJockey
He should put wings on it. Then it would be Der Fliegende Colander.
As long as it’s not a Pressure Cooker, all is fine.
161 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:37:31am |
re: #154 Vicious Babushka
[Embedded content]
Question the timing!
@ggreenwald @NBCNews You just can't beat the timing, can you? This alert right in the middle of NSA spying conversations in D.C.— Tatiner (@Tatiner) August 2, 2013
162 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:37:44am |
re: #153 Gus
And again…
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7-93%)
Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94-6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85-15%)The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5-95%)
Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0-100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98-2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84-16%)
They thought they had a GOTCHA!!11 by repeatedly asking BUT WHO FILIBUSTERED TEH CRA!!11!! when I said A BUNCH OF SOUTHERNERS they then pulled out that LBJ quote from the 1993 gossip memoir.
These people are fucked up.
164 | GeneJockey Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:38:26am |
re: #160 FemNaziBitch
As long as it’s not a Pressure Cooker, all is fine.
A colander would make a lousy pressure cooker.
165 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:38:26am |
166 | Internet Tough Guy Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:38:28am |
re: #158 Vicious Babushka
You ever get the feeling that the only mistake in the Holocaust deniers’ strategy was not waiting for a black guy to get elected before spewing their bile?
Their methods are alive and well in Derpistan.
167 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:38:36am |
DERP OF THE DAY (replacing previous DOTD)
Racism really? Where's United WHITE College Fund, National Association for Advancement of WHITE People, Congressional WHITE Caucus? #LNYHBT— Right Wing Mike (@DRM4GOD) August 2, 2013
168 | FemNaziBitch Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:38:56am |
re: #164 GeneJockey
A colander would make a lousy pressure cooker.
Ah, but pressure cookers do have a colander type thingy in them.
I smell conspiracy!!!
169 | Dr. Matt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:39:07am |
Greenwald is rivaling Alex Jones in the tinfoil hat category.
170 | blueraven Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:39:24am |
re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg
Thank God I don’t live in an area where Comcast is my only option:
These metered internet shenanigans are getting old fast. I guess we must accept the fact that truly “unlimited” data is going the way of the Dinosaur.
On another note, the article mentions that Comcast and similar companies like TWC, have openly admitted the reason for data caps is NOT due to internet congestion, it’s just a money making scheme.
This may not be a good option for most people but there are some that may benefit. My MIL only uses her computer for emails…maybe once in a while shopping.
As always, caveat emptor.
171 | piratedan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:40:51am |
re: #154 Vicious Babushka
who knows, maybe all of those Iraqi Al Qeida folks recently freed might have something to do with it… God forbid a train station get bombed or a plane be brought down. How many warnings have been issued lately, context Glenn, context… that Carly Simon song wasn’t about you….
172 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:40:58am |
re: #145 GeneJockey
He should put wings on it. Then it would be Der Fliegende Colander.
Have you Senta message to him suggesting this?
174 | b.d. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:42:20am |
re: #161 NJDhockeyfan
Question the timing!
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Talk about a no win situation.
1.) Do nothing, have attack happen. Get criticized for not doing anything and a failure of surveillance state.
2.) Warn people of possible attack and get accused of false flag s*it.
Sometimes I wish I was part of the crowd that sat back and threw peanuts, it is so much easier.
175 | Dr. Matt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:42:50am |
Fess up, Lizards, one of you must own this account:
Can we focus on what's really important? Snowden is sad and misses his girlfriend. Has anyone ever suffered more than him? I doubt it.
— Whitey Dudebro (@WhiteyDudebro) August 2, 2013
176 | GeneJockey Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:43:23am |
177 | b.d. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:43:34am |
re: #175 Dr. Matt
Fess up, Lizards, one of you must own this account:
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That is teh awesome.
Not me.
178 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:45:06am |
Here is the State Department's worldwide travel alert. pic.twitter.com/sjQR4i51nQ— Byron Tau (@ByronTau) August 2, 2013
179 | Ian G. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:46:02am |
re: #167 Vicious Babushka
Um, the National Association for the Advancement of White People exists, it just goes by the name “Republican Party”. Also, the GOP is the Congressional White Caucus.
The United White College fund is called legacy admissions.
This is not hard.
180 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:46:03am |
US issues worldwide travel alert over al Qaeda threat except for dudebros.
181 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:46:59am |
THOSE ENTITLED LIBRUL BRATS WITH THERE DEGREES IN HISPANIC TRANSGENDER STUDIES THINK THERE TOO GOOD TO WIRK AT WALMART OR FLIP BURGERS!!!1!!11
College grads have it rough: 53% unemployed http://t.co/4Fdg1WQxFK— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) August 2, 2013
182 | piratedan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:47:59am |
re: #180 Gus
US issues worldwide travel alert over al Qaeda threat except for dudebros.
so that means the GG book signing tour in Algeirs, Benghazi, Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, Beirut and Tel Aviv is still on then?
183 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:49:21am |
re: #182 piratedan
so that means the GG book signing tour in Algeirs, Benghazi, Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, Beirut and Tel Aviv is still on then?
The Tel Aviv visit has been canceled out of Solidarity Against TEH OCCUPASHUN!!
184 | ProTARDISLiberal Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:59:32am |
re: #146 Gus
A good specimen of the dudebro.
185 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 8:59:53am |
.@NBCNews Glenn Greenwald questions the timing. pic.twitter.com/gzeSNYcGT9— Gus (@Gus_802) August 2, 2013
186 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:01:53am |
DERP
Also, did Hillary Clinton know the truth about gun-running from Benghazi? http://t.co/97gK8rRuHm— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) August 2, 2013
187 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:10:28am |
Right where Dinnerjacket left off…Iran’s new president speaking about Israel.
Some things never change.
Rouhani, Ahmadinejad: Israel Should Be Cleansed, Uprooted from Region
Iran’s president-elect, Sheikh Hasan Rouhani said on Friday that the Zionist entity is a wound that should be cleansed, as the outgoing president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad vowed that a storm will uproot the basis of Zionism.
“The Zionist regime is a wound inflicted for years on the body of the Muslim world that must be cleansed,” Rouhani told reporters attending annual Quds Day rallies, in remarks reported by media.
Commenting over the so-called peace talks between the Zionist entity and the Palestinian Authority, Rouhani charged that “Israel is continuing with its aggressive nature against the backdrop of an excuse for compromise”.
The talks are providing the Israelis with “a good opportunity to project a peaceful appearance,” he said.
His remarks come a day before Rouhani is to assume the country’s highest elected office.
For its part, Ahmadinejad warned Israel in one of his last public speeches that a regional storm would uproot the Zionist entity.“I will inform you with God as my witness, a devastating storm is on the way that will uproot the basis of Zionism,” Ahmadinejad said adding that the Israeli enemy “has no place in this region”.
188 | Dr. Matt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:11:44am |
Eagles: “Riley Cooper will be seeking counseling and we have excused him from all team activities.” More coming on @NFL.com
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) August 2, 2013
Fox News and am hate radio will be coming to his defense any moment now.
189 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:13:04am |
re: #187 NJDhockeyfan
Right where Dinnerjacket left off…Iran’s new president speaking about Israel.
Some things never change.
Rouhani, Ahmadinejad: Israel Should Be Cleansed, Uprooted from Region
SSDD
190 | piratedan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:14:19am |
re: #188 Dr. Matt
I mean after all, if Rush has allowed himself to use it, why not Riley, it’s Amureka after all…..and Republicans should be allowed to use it, after all, they freed the slaves and they’ve proven themselves to totally not be racists and stuff.
191 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:16:19am |
re: #186 Vicious Babushka
DERP
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US and other nations help topple Gaddafi regime within months. 4 Americans die. Libya has a bright future ahead of them if they play their cards rights. Iraq?
192 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:16:29am |
DERP
TEH JRRBZ PLAN CONTAINS NOTHING ABOUT JRRBZ!!
Stockman gives Obama a jobs plan for his birthday http://t.co/xffVJwjuLJ #tcot #TeaParty #gop— Rep. Steve Stockman (@SteveWorks4You) August 2, 2013
193 | ObserverArt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:18:44am |
If it has not happened yet, I wonder when the time is coming Snowden figures out he is just a bit player in this story now.
Led by Greenwald, everyone is adding their own slant on the story to advance their own careers.
Snowden is the one who is paying the price while everyone positions for online stories, blogs, newspaper articles, TV political shows, etc.
I’m not feeling sorry for him just interested in that very human moment when things become clear and you realize you are the only one holding the bag. Idealism dies off and the reality is still there, larger than you ever thought when the idealism was your driving force.
All the atta-boys from the public and supporters supporting will go away and you will reach the point where you find you are the one holding the bag of repercussions of your actions.
That is the “what have I done” momment.
194 | Stanley Sea Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:23:59am |
195 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:24:26am |
THERE IN AREA 51 WITH TEH PASSENGERS OF FLIGHT 77 & ELVIS & TEH SHOOTER ON TEH GRASSY KNOLL!!!1!!
Totally Sane Congressman: #Obama Is Hiding Benghazi Witnesses Away, In FEMA Camps http://t.co/UC87uoueZ4 via @po_st #SC #UniteBlue #p2 #p21— fabucat green eyes (@fabucat) August 2, 2013
196 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:24:46am |
re: #134 FemNaziBitch
I have a feeling each new Pope get’s to choose his chair from a stack of them in the Vatican Attic.
Nope, it’s whichever one he is closest to when the music stops.
197 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:28:39am |
@viciousbabushka You spelled 'flaming bag of poo' wrong.— Geoff M. (@geoffm33) August 2, 2013
198 | AntonSirius Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:31:20am |
This is relevant to the interests of some Lizards:
199 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:32:08am |
U SEE RANGLE IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!11!!
#BREAKING: #Racist Democrat Charlie Rangel Calls #TeaParty ‘White Crackers’ http://t.co/vRYLVsa5s5 … #Forward #UniteBlue #LibCrib #CTL #tcot— TheTeaParty.net (@TheTeaParty_net) August 2, 2013
200 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:35:25am |
re: #199 Vicious Babushka
U SEE TEHY R TEH REAL RACISTS!!11!!
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Quote from the comments:
I’ve had this stupid argument so many times I should program a hotkey for the responses.
What political party did Lyndon Johnson, the President who signed the civil rights bills in the 60’s, belong to? That’s right, he was a Democrat. What do you think he meant when he said “”We [Democrats] have lost the South for a generation” as he signed the 1964 civil rights act?
It’s true, once upon a time, there used to be conservative Democrats and liberal Republicans (Abraham Lincoln was a liberal). Conservatives opposed the radical notion of ending slavery, that’s why the people who wanted to end slavery in the late 1850’s and early 1860’s were called Radical Republicans.
Go read a history book ffs.
201 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:36:55am |
Department of irony: Russia enacted its own SOPA the day it granted Snowden asylum http://t.co/KEyfPgPvhF— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) August 2, 2013
202 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:40:15am |
State Dept: The following posts normally open on Sunday will be closed on Sunday, August 4.
U.S. Embassy Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates
U.S. Embassy Algiers, Algeria
U.S. Embassy Amman, Jordan
U.S. Embassy Baghdad, Iraq
U.S. Embassy Cairo, Egypt
U.S. Consulate Dhahran, Saudi Arabia
U.S. Embassy Djibouti, Djibouti
U.S. Embassy Dhaka, Bangladesh
U.S. Embassy Doha, Qatar
U.S. Consulate Dubai, United Arab Emirates
U.S. Consulate Erbil, Iraq
U.S. Consulate Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
U.S. Embassy Kabul, Afghanistan
U.S. Embassy Khartoum, Sudan
U.S. Embassy Kuwait City, Kuwait
U.S. Embassy Manama, Bahrain
U.S. Embassy Muscat, Oman
U.S. Embassy Nouakchott, Mauritania
U.S. Embassy Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
U.S. Embassy Sana’a, Yemen
U.S. Embassy Tripoli, Libya
203 | blueraven Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:40:53am |
re: #192 Vicious Babushka
DERP
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Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi offers Stockman a clue.
204 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:40:54am |
re: #200 geoffm33
Quote from the comments:
LBJ WAZ TEH RACISTS1!!1 HE USED TEH N WORD!!!!
Standard response on Teh Twitters whenever I challenge their CRA revisionism.
205 | Dr. Matt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:41:05am |
The GOP’s continuing race to the bottom of the barrel:
Scott Walker hints at a possible presidential run in 2016. http://t.co/Vmdq4UIPL3
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) August 2, 2013
206 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:42:06am |
Bigot-Founder Of White Students Group At Georgia State Can’t Understand Why White Pride Is Racist http://t.co/vcfkpkLhLk #p2 #UniteBlue— Randall Reynolds (@randallr01) August 2, 2013
207 | Dr. Matt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:42:55am |
re: #206 Vicious Babushka
He’s actually wearing a brown shirt….shocking.
208 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:47:18am |
I love Wonkette
Conservative Newspaper Editor Fired For Rude Headline About Putting Something In President's Butt http://t.co/6I6YDuOtUC— Wonkette (@Wonkette) August 2, 2013
(Except sometimes Wonketteers is just a teensy bit not liking Teh Juice in comments)
209 | ProTARDISLiberal Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:47:30am |
Somebody wrote this, and it is true.
Somewhere out there is a man (or woman) walking around with the biggest smile on their face because they know something we all don’t.
Somewhere out there Matt Smith is walking around feeling replaced and unloved because there’s a show on Sunday dedicated to the 12th Doctor and he hasn’t even left yet.
Somewhere out there Moffat is stroking a white cat and laughing superiorly.
Somewhere out there a fan is crying because they’ve finally realised that Matt Smith is leaving.
And somewhere out there is a person who is finally going to understand that it’s spelt ‘twelfth’ and not ‘twelth.’
210 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:48:02am |
Really Chris?
MSNBC’s Chris Hayes Reveals He Felt ‘Tiny Slight Pin-Prick Of Empathy’ For Ariel Castro
211 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:48:33am |
re: #208 Vicious Babushka
I love Wonkette
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(Except sometimes Wonketteers is just a teensy bit not liking Teh Juice in comments)
TEH JUICE! THEY’RE EVERYWHERE EVEN WHEN YOU DON’T SEE ‘EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
212 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:49:34am |
re: #211 Gus
TEH JUICE! THEY’RE EVERYWHERE EVEN WHEN YOU DON’T SEE ‘EM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I didn’t mean the comments for that particular article (which there are no comments) but at that site in general.
213 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:50:18am |
re: #212 Vicious Babushka
I didn’t mean the comments for that particular article (which there are no comments) but at that site in general.
Oh, I know.
214 | alpuz Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:51:10am |
re: #199 Vicious Babushka
TPM has just been overrun by the tea patriot crew. It’s brutal.
215 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:51:27am |
AND NOW A WORD FROM UR DERPETTE
This is the worst thing I've ever read. FDR as conservative hero?! Don't worry about the Progressive Era?! #RINO http://t.co/mxmvsAqpT1— Inez Feltscher (@InezFeltscher) August 2, 2013
216 | Eventual Carrion Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:51:35am |
217 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:52:38am |
Russell Simmons ladies and gentlemen:
MUST READ: A letter from Russell Simmons to Don Lemon http://t.co/Fw6o4te9x3— Goldie Taylor (@goldietaylor) August 2, 2013
218 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:55:37am |
I'm more worried about that bucket. RT @BuzzFeed Burger King employee fired for taking a pic laying on hamburger buns pic.twitter.com/T0DKwsajIk— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) August 2, 2013
219 | Dr. Matt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:56:19am |
re: #214 alpuz
TPM has just been overrun by the tea patriot crew. It’s brutal.
It’s like that on a near daily basis. Politico is just as bad.
220 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 9:59:45am |
re: #217 geoffm33
How the mind works….
1) Read article from Russell Simmons
2) “Dust off” old Run-DMC albums in spotify
It’s Like That. And that’s the way it is.
221 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:00:08am |
Accused Fort Hood gunman seeks to renounce citizenship, military oath
DALLAS — Accused Fort Hood gunman Nidal Hasan declared his wish to renounce his U.S. citizenship and military oath in several pages of documents furnished to Fox News on Thursday, days before his court-martial is slated to begin.
…In an email reply to Reuters, Galligan verified that the documents delivered to the cable network were from Hasan, but he declined to answer any further questions.
One of the posted declarations, dated Oct. 18, 2012, and written by hand, states that he is “compelled to renounce any oaths of allegiances that require me to support/defend any man made constitution (like the Constitution of the United States) over the commandments mandated in Islam.”
It goes on to say: “I therefore formally renounce my oath of office as well as any other implicit or explicit oaths I have made in the past … This includes my oath of U.S. citizenship.”
Here is the letter:
222 | alpuz Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:02:49am |
re: #219 Dr. Matt
Yeah, i figured as much with sites like politico and yahoo. I’ve just never seen it
like that at TPM.
223 | Mattand Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:04:17am |
re: #214 alpuz
TPM has just been overrun by the tea patriot crew. It’s brutal.
That’s a bit of a surprise. I don’t comment there regularly, but the few baggers I’ve seen post usually get smacked down thoroughly.
224 | alpuz Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:07:02am |
re: #223 Mattand
Yep. That’s been my experience as well. I guess it’s a little hard to do when comments are coming in at around 75 per minute. Like I said, it was brutal.
225 | First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:10:21am |
re: #217 geoffm33
Russell Simmons ladies and gentlemen:
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You know what happens when you mix Don Lemon with Russell Simmons?
You get Don Simmons.
226 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:10:25am |
Fischer: Gay Activists Should Support Russia’s Anti-Gay Laws In The Name Of Diversity
The discriminatory legislation has been met with outrage and protests around the world, but Fischer doesn’t understand why since liberals and gay activists supposedly believe in diversity and, as such, they ought to be saying “hey, this is great!”
“We’ve got plenty of room in our multicultural world for all sorts of different cultural values and trends,” Fischer mockingly proclaimed. “Isn’t this wonderful what Russia is doing. Let’s celebrate diversity and let’s support this tradition in the nation of Russia”:
Fischer is just mad he can’t kidnap and torture LGBT people over here.
227 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:10:37am |
#ThingsYouMightHearALiberalSay “I have always voted the Democratic ticket.” http://t.co/0DSrAOFBMJ— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) August 2, 2013
I see what you did there…..very clever :)
228 | Mattand Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:10:37am |
re: #224 alpuz
Yep. That’s been my experience as well. I guess it’s a little hard to do when comments are coming in at around 75 per minute. Like I said, it was brutal.
I’m half tempted to Tweet Josh Marshall about it.
I don’t think one should be banned from a website just because you’re a Tea Bagger, but if they’re destroying the comments section, I’d think the owner of the site should be aware.
229 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:10:40am |
Banjo sending the seagulls up.
230 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:10:58am |
Company with ties to Terry McAuliffe is under SEC investigation. http://t.co/sXXCdO6L9W #WhatIsItWithVirginia— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) August 2, 2013
231 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:11:23am |
re: #225 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce
You know what happens when you mix Don Lemon with Russell Simmons?
You get Don Simmons.
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OMG I loved that movie growing up!
232 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:13:24am |
re: #231 geoffm33
OMG I loved that movie growing up!
B.B. King: Did you know that every 7 minutes, a black person is born in this country with no soul?
233 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:13:28am |
Madonna, Gaga accused of breaking laws in Russia
Russian officials might be cool with Snowden hanging out in Russia, but not with Madonna and Lady Gaga.
According to The Guardian, the two artists did not have permission to play concerts in 2012 and Russian officials are considering pressing charges.
Leading the charge is Vitaly Milonov, the politician who wrote St Petersburg’s law banning gay ‘propaganda.’ He’s got a bone to pick with both singers, who talked about their support of the gay community during their 2012 shows. In reaction, Milonov gave chase in court, trying to have them charged with “promoting sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism among minors.”
234 | gunnison Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:14:19am |
re: #35 klys
I think the difference here comes not from where he is but what he has said about the places he has been in contrast to the US - he’s had a number of statements praising Russia for law triumphing over “the illegal actions of the Obama administration” for example. At the same time, he’s claimed that what prompted his actions was principle - the idea that a nation shouldn’t be spying on its own people.
That’s what prompts the question and that’s what makes it ironic. Too bad he’s too wrapped up in …whatever… that he can’t see that.
Standing up for principle means taking the consequences of your actions, because your principles mean more than the law. Not trying to dodge them. Conversely, it’s really hard to argue from principle when you’re trying to dodge the consequences of your actions.
Oh yes, I take that point totally.
He said some goofy things about Hong Kong and Russia, and also a couple of S American nations in regard to their human rights records.
But let’s also remember that Manning was kept in solitary for many many months on the pretext of him being on “suicide watch”, and that was before he’d been found guilty of anything at all.
And the US record of illegal renditions is fully documented at this point too, so nobody, not Russia, not China, not the US, has the right to occupy the high ground and preen themselves about this kind of thing.
I don’t accept your diagnosis that “standing up for principle means taking the consequences of your actions” if those “consequences” are to be held incommunicado (like Manning was) before even being found guilty.
You may disagree, and here on LGF, judging by my growing collection of downvotes, I suspect most others will too, but I don’t think Snowden’s concerns about him being treated un-constitutionally were he to be returned to the US are irrational.
235 | alpuz Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:14:23am |
re: #228 Mattand
They’re on it. I don’t know how they can stop it without shutting it down. I guess we’ll see.
236 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:14:36am |
237 | Dr Lizardo Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:14:56am |
re: #167 Vicious Babushka
DERP OF THE DAY (replacing previous DOTD)
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If I’m not mistaken, there is - or was - a National Association of the Advancement of White People. It was created and led by David Duke.
You might wanna let that fellow know.
238 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:16:19am |
Just got the greatest email ever:
“Geoff, Breaking Bad Season 5 is now on Netflix”
239 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:16:38am |
re: #227 geoffm33
I see what you did there…..very clever :)
Somebody should put up some Jesus quotes.
240 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:17:14am |
re: #236 Kragar
Russia, go sit in the corner until you can play nice with others.
I wonder if there are any countries brave enough to boycott the Olympics over their gay laws?
241 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:18:02am |
re: #240 NJDhockeyfan
I wonder if there are any countries brave enough to boycott the Olympics over their gay laws?
We should.
242 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:18:42am |
re: #238 geoffm33
Just got the greatest email ever:
“Geoff, Breaking Bad Season 5 is now on Netflix”
So all five seasons are online now? I thought they still hadn’t finished broadcasting season 5?
243 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:20:30am |
re: #218 NJDhockeyfan
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Hmm. He looks about 15 and acts about 5—and that’s a manager’s uniform.
Serves Burger King right.
244 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:20:59am |
This is just great! A little action movie treatment to an otherwise dull story about paving city streets:
245 | Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:21:02am |
Mysterious “glitch” allows CO lawmakers to dodge parking, speeding tickets
According to CBS Denver, the info for these particular license plates is never entered into the DMV database, so when some state senator goes zooming by a speed camera, he or she won’t get a ticket, because the camera system looks up the license plate number through the DMV. Since no info comes up, no ticket is given.
This appears to be true for parking tickets as well. See, even though a parking enforcement officer might leave a ticket on the car, cities like Denver that rely on the DMV for addresses of vehicle owners come up empty when they try to collect on those tickets.CBS has a PDF showing several examples of parking tickets given to cars with state legislature plates that have gone uncollected because of this “glitch,” that we have a hunch is probably not a glitch at all.
“Because the Department of Public Works relies on the DMV Database to contact people with unpaid parking tickets we are not able to contact legislators with unpaid parking tickets,” a rep for the DPW tells the station.
At first, the rep said it was going to endeavor to collect from those
lawmakers responsible for $2,100 in unpaid tickets… then it decided that it would be too costly. But it’s probably not too costly for the DPW to collect from people who don’t hold the state’s purse strings in their hands.The plates are not tied to state-issued vehicles. They are given to each of the 100 men and women who make up the state legislature in Colorado for use on their own vehicles.
This is what plutocracy looks like ladies and gentlemen.
246 | Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:21:23am |
247 | Dr Lizardo Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:22:01am |
re: #199 Vicious Babushka
U SEE RANGLE IS TEH REAL RACISTS!!11!!
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My late father - white, born and bred in Los Angeles - referred to Southern whites as “crackers” all the time.
Actually, not all the time. Sometime he called them “redneck peckerwoods”, “white trash” or “inbred hillbillies”. He detested Southerners, having served with, as he put many, far too many during WWII.
248 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:22:07am |
249 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:22:26am |
250 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:22:57am |
re: #248 geoffm33
Just part one of season 5.
Season 5 part 2 airs on AMC starting August 11.
Ah, OK. I’ll wait till its all there.
251 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:24:07am |
re: #234 gunnison
Oh yes, I take that point totally.
He said some goofy things about Hong Kong and Russia, and also a couple of S American nations in regard to their human rights records.But let’s also remember that Manning was kept in solitary for many many months on the pretext of him being on “suicide watch”, and that was before he’d been found guilty of anything at all.
And the US record of illegal renditions is fully documented at this point too, so nobody, not Russia, not China, not the US, has the right to occupy the high ground and preen themselves about this kind of thing.I don’t accept your diagnosis that “standing up for principle means taking the consequences of your actions” if those “consequences” are to be held incommunicado (like Manning was) before even being found guilty.
You may disagree, and here on LGF, judging by my growing collection of downvotes, I suspect most others will too, but I don’t think Snowden’s concerns about him being treated un-constitutionally were he to be returned to the US are irrational.
Manning was under military jurisdiction; it’s pretty hard to compare his case to Snowden, who would be under civilian jurisdiction.
Is the US perfect when it comes to prisoner treatment? No. But in the civilian courts there are a fair number of checks and balances and particularly in a high profile case like this, I am going to go with it being on the irrational side.
Please don’t misunderstand: I would like to have a conversation about what’s going on at the NSA and how we can change it so that there is better oversight and more transparency. Snowden has made that very, very difficult. And I have absolutely no respect for his decision to run. Sorry, we can disagree on that, but if you claim to be doing something from principle, you damn well better be prepared to take the consequences of your actions. Otherwise your principles are really more about “how does it effect me” and less about actual principles.
252 | Mattand Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:24:32am |
re: #240 NJDhockeyfan
I wonder if there are any countries brave enough to boycott the Olympics over their gay laws?
If the US boycotted the event, every conservative and Republican in the country would probably donate their life savings to send a team.
A country where being gay is now basically a crime? It’s a dream come true for conservative America.
253 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:27:33am |
re: #240 NJDhockeyfan
I wonder if there are any countries brave enough to boycott the Olympics over their gay laws?
254 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:28:17am |
Texas jailer must face trial after video caught him raping 15-year-old
A federal judge ruled this week that a trial against a Texas jailer can go forward after video caught him allegedly raping a 15-year-old female inmate.
In a suit filed late last year, Michelle and Danny Hall accused former Harris County correctional officer Robert Robinson of raping their daughter, M.S.H., during her two month stay at Houston’s Harris County Juvenile Justice Center.
The suit accuses Robinson of “grooming” the girl with food and candy, before the encounters “quickly escalated with quid pro quo requests that exchanged gifts for genital fondling and touching.”
255 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:28:55am |
re: #252 Mattand
If the US boycotted the event, every conservative and Republican in the country would probably donate their life savings to send a team.
A country where being gay is now basically a crime? It’s a dream come true for conservative America.
Beyond the impracticality of it, there would be a certain level of hypocrisy to the US boycotting a country based on LGBT equality.— Patrick Burke (@BurkieYCP) August 2, 2013
256 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:29:37am |
Wolverine - A film by Woody Allen
257 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:31:06am |
258 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:31:15am |
re: #253 Vicious Babushka
I remember that. As a teenager I couldn’t understand why he did that. I was looking forward to the US team beating the Soviets in another Olympics.
259 | NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:32:33am |
While waiting to go on MSNBC, I heard Putin has a huge ego because of the macho vacation pictures he has published http://t.co/AJeBCyYiUv— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 2, 2013
Greenwald, the poster boy of huge egos.
260 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:32:39am |
261 | Dr. Matt Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:33:35am |
The only thing that is hurt by boycotting the olympics are the athletes that have been training their entire life to get there.
262 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:34:27am |
re: #254 Kragar
Texas jailer must face trial after video caught him raping 15-year-old
What bigger asshole is there than a jailer who rapes prisoners? Sadly, this is not the least bit uncommon.
263 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:35:37am |
re: #261 Dr. Matt
The only thing that is hurt by boycotting the olympics are the athletes that have been training their entire life to get there.
Russia would also be hurt, especially if a large number of countries decided not to participate.
264 | Mattand Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:36:43am |
re: #261 Dr. Matt
The only thing that is hurt by boycotting the olympics are the athletes that have been training their entire life to get there.
Yeah, fuck those Russian gay people who now risk injury and jail for the “crime” of being homosexual. They don’t know the suffering those poor athletes might have to go through.
265 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:39:48am |
re: #257 Kragar
Eat a bag of dicks Burke.
He is the founder of the You Can Play Project and very outspoken about gay rights.
266 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:40:46am |
.@ggreenwald Putin gets a pass because Bush cut brush? How about Putin's LGBT policy? Is that cool enough for you?— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 2, 2013
267 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:41:36am |
.@BernardKingIII HINT: When POTUS talks about your op, it's not CA anymore— John Schindler (@20committee) August 2, 2013
268 | Eclectic Cyborg Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:41:45am |
re: #260 Kragar
36 Senators Introduce Bill Prohibiting Virtually Any New Law Helping Workers
It’s named the “Enumerated Powers Act of 2013,” a reference to the provisions of the Constitution outlining Congress’ specific powers, and it claims to require all federal legislation to “‘contain a concise explanation of the specific authority in the Constitution’ that is the basis for its enactment.”
The key provision in this bill, however, would revive a discredited interpretation of the Constitution that America abandoned nearly eight decades ago. Although the text of the bill is not yet available online, a press release from Coburn’s office explains that it “[p]rohibits the use of the Commerce Clause except for ‘the regulation of the buying and selling of goods or services, or the transporting for those purposes, across boundaries with foreign nations, across State lines, or with Indian tribes.’”
What in the everloving fuck?
*shakes head*
United States of America, international laughingstock.
269 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:42:00am |
re: #265 geoffm33
He is the founder of the You Can Play Project and very outspoken about gay rights.
I disagree completely.
270 | geoffm33 Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:43:44am |
re: #269 Kragar
I disagree completely.
That’s fine to disagree. But telling him to eat a bag of dicks is a little harsh.
271 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:43:57am |
re: #269 Kragar
He says:
I also don’t believe, however, that Russia would ever take the step of jailing an Olympic athlete from a foreign nation and risking real retribution on an international scale.
I’m not sure he’s paying attention, since Russia just granted asylum to a guy who leaked US intelligence secrets. Compared to that, jailing a gay athlete would not really be that big a deal.
272 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:44:28am |
Why is Andrea Mitchell treating Glennlandia as some kind of security/intelligence expert when he is no such animal?
273 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:46:04am |
re: #272 Justanotherhuman
Why is Andrea Mitchell treating Glennlandia as some kind of security/intelligence expert when he is no such animal?
Because she’s stupid?
274 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:46:09am |
Mitchell asking about Russia’s gay rights laws.
Greenwald deflects and refocuses on US abuses of civil rights.
275 | gunnison Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:46:35am |
re: #251 klys
Please don’t misunderstand: I would like to have a conversation about what’s going on at the NSA and how we can change it so that there is better oversight and more transparency. Snowden has made that very, very difficult. And I have absolutely no respect for his decision to run. Sorry, we can disagree on that, but if you claim to be doing something from principle, you damn well better be prepared to take the consequences of your actions. Otherwise your principles are really more about “how does it effect me” and less about actual principles.
Yes, we can disagree without thinking of each other as enemies.
I take your point about the differences between military and civil law, but still think Snowden (or anyone accused under anything related to the “espionage” acts) in not being irrational to suspect he might be held in conditions that don’t permit him to communicate freely, at least to his lawyers, until adjudged to be guilty.
I also don’t buy the notion that a claim to “principle” is invalidated by any subsequent self interest. I don’t see principle and self-interest to be mutually exclusive in other words.
I know that position is as popular as a turd in the punch bowl around here, but there it is.
Thanks for the civility, by the way.
Appreciated.
276 | b.d. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:46:36am |
The Russian law against “gay propaganda” is not going to apply to the participants and guests of the Sochi 2014 Winter Olympics, a top lawmaker said“The Olympics is a major international event. Our task is to be as politically correct and tolerant as we can be. That’s why we made the decision not to raise this issue during the Games,” Interfax news agency cites said Igor Ananskikh, the head of the Russian Duma Committee on physical training, sports and youth, as saying.
Lots of conflicting stuff coming out of Russia
277 | Bulworth Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:46:46am |
re: #266 darthstar
Ssshhh. Russia/Putin are now bastions of Libertee compared to Fascistic Amercia.//
278 | Mattand Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:46:49am |
re: #269 Kragar
I disagree completely.
Me, too. Unless they’re dying to see the Russian prison system from the inside.
I’m honestly shocked that Russia basically criminalizing homosexuality hasn’t been a bigger story.
Oh, wait. This is America. Never mind…
279 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:47:24am |
Shorter Greenwald on LGBT barriers in Russia:
Snowden would be persecuted in the US (and no doubt tortured and raped if jailed) so I’m willing to sell my principles to get on TV.
280 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:47:28am |
re: #271 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut
He says:
I’m not sure he’s paying attention, since Russia just granted asylum to a guy who leaked US intelligence secrets. Compared to that, jailing a gay athlete would not really be that big a deal.
Exactly. He has completely misread the lengths the Russians are willing to go.
There have been a series of kidnappings, torture, and public shamings of gay people in Russia, where the victims are abused on video and then posted online. This is done with a wink and a nod from the government. This behavior has no place in the 21st century, and apparently neither does Russia.
281 | Bulworth Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:47:40am |
282 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:48:11am |
re: #279 Justanotherhuman
Shorter Greenwald on LGBT barriers in Russia:
Snowden would be persecuted in the US (and no doubt tortured and raped if jailed) so I’m willing to sell my principles to get on TV.
That’s assuming he ever had principles.
283 | Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:48:53am |
re: #280 Kragar
Yeah, I”d be less worried about the government arresting people and rather the government NOT arresting roaming gangs of thugs who beat the shit out of gay people.
284 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:49:25am |
Obama's body surfing technique gets the thumbs up from Laird Hamilton http://t.co/AB5Ty8eyUT— Patrick W. Gavin (@pwgavin) August 1, 2013
285 | gunnison Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:49:35am |
re: #251 klys
Let me add, regarding your assertion that Snowden has made the conversation about survellance “difficult”;
Had it not been for what Snowden did, we would not, in my opinion, be having this conversation at all.
286 | Justanotherhuman Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:49:50am |
re: #282 darthstar
That’s assuming he ever had principles.
Well, I’m also assuming his “principles” have no ethical underpinnings, either.
287 | A Mom Anon Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:53:12am |
re: #210 NJDhockeyfan
You have GOT to be kidding me. Did Hayes even listen to this raping sociopath’s statement to the court? He blamed those three young women for what he did to them. Had the fucking nerve to sit there and try to proclaim what a great dad he was to Amanda Berry’s little girl because he took her out of that hellhouse and to the park sometimes. How he had “happy family memories” of the time he kept those women hostage, how the sex was consensual. How they weren’t tortured because hey, look at them now, they don’t look traumatized do they? OMG, I can’t even BEGIN to unpack how fucking fucked up that is.
Chris needs his privileged white ass kicked around a room once or twice by a couple of poor people and a couple rape survivors. A twinge of sympathy? Holy What THE Fuck Batman. Jesus Christ.
Edited to add: I get that victims of abuse do sometimes become abusers themselves. It’s not an excuse and in Castro’s case, it’s just another reason in his own head to excuse those actions. Most victims/survivors do NOT do what he did. It is a choice, he knew it was wrong or he wouldn’t have hidden it. I don’t feel empathy for him, what I feel makes my skin crawl.
288 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:53:50am |
@joanmccarter @NBCNews Total!— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) August 2, 2013
289 | Vicious Babushka Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:57:55am |
DERP
It's clear the U.S. gov't believes the highest crime of all is to dare embarrass the U.S. govt by simply revealing what it is doing.— David Sirota (@davidsirota) August 2, 2013
290 | b.d. Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:58:17am |
re: #288 Gus
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Total coincidence coming after that huge bombshell about teh pressure cooker Google search raid story!
291 | Gus Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:58:47am |
292 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 10:59:19am |
re: #289 Vicious Babushka
DERP
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How does Dave get out of bed in the morning without injuring himself?
293 | Kragar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:01:07am |
Adams: Immigration Reform Will Lead To A Biometric Mark Of The Beast
Yesterday, End Times radio host Rick Wiles interviewed Cathie Adams, the former head of the Texas Republican Party and current president of the Texas Eagle Forum, in a wide-ranging discussion which included a warning that immigration reform would lead to biometric scanning which, as everyone knows, is a tool of Satan.
Adams warned that the problem is not just that Hispanics are crossing the border illegally, but so are people from Muslim nations and so if immigration reform passes, we’ll be giving amnesty “to people who are not here with the best intentions for America.”
After Adams said that the Department for Homeland Security is unable to account for more than a million foreigners who have overstayed their visas, Wiles predicted that immigration reform advocates would call for biometric scanning as a solution to this problem, which Adams declared would be an unmistakable sign of the End Times.
294 | lawhawk Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:03:19am |
re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg
It’s a roundabout attack to limit the scope of the Commerce Clause - to reduce it’s use by the courts to preserve and maintain all manner of rights that have been extended until now.
295 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:05:04am |
296 | Spocomptonite Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:05:21am |
re: #95 Varek Raith
Last inflation numbers before ditching their currency;
89,700,000,000,000,000,000,000%
I have 181 billion Zimbabwe dollars.
Mugabe was really good for numismatics.
297 | Bulworth Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:05:39am |
re: #293 Kragar
immigration reform would lead to biometric scanning which, as everyone knows, is a tool of Satan.
Biometric scanning not needed now because NSA KNOWS ALL MY INTERNETS!!!!
298 | blueraven Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:05:56am |
re: #230 NJDhockeyfan
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Strangley enough, one of the “concerns” is about a company, “Huawei Technologies, a privately-held electronics conglomerate with close ties to the Chinese government that has raised national security concerns”….a company that Rick Perry actively courted for USA/TX
Gov. Perry Helps Cut Ribbon at Huawei Technologies’ New U.S. Headquarters
299 | Bulworth Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:06:14am |
re: #293 Kragar
giving amnesty “to people who are not here with the best intentions for America.”
OK, but enough about RWNJ….
300 | wrenchwench Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:06:15am |
re: #287 A Mom Anon
You have GOT to be kidding me. Did Hayes even listen to this raping sociopath’s statement to the court? He blamed those three young women for what he did to them. Had the fucking nerve to sit there and try to proclaim what a great dad he was to Amanda Berry’s little girl because he took her out of that hellhouse and to the park sometimes. How he had “happy family memories” of the time he kept those women hostage, how the sex was consensual. How they weren’t tortured because hey, look at them now, they don’t look traumatized do they? OMG, I can’t even BEGIN to unpack how fucking fucked up that is.
Chris needs his privileged white ass kicked around a room once or twice by a couple of poor people and a couple rape survivors. A twinge of sympathy? Holy What THE Fuck Batman. Jesus Christ.
Excellent rant. I’d like to print it out and tape it to the inside of Chris’s glasses, where he can’t miss it.
(Idea having to do with brick deleted.)
301 | darthstar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:12:44am |
re: #295 darthstar
Update: WE DID IT! UPDATE: Hooooooly shit! Through the power of the internet, lovers of dumb shit, and people who hate Jose Canseco, this project has been funded in less than four days! - See more at: fundanything.com
302 | steve_davis Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:26:05am |
re: #155 Gus
Next they’re going to argue that Dixiecrats were liberals.
speaking of which, somebody recc-jacked talking points memo today, so the Rangel article is infested with neo-confederates with hundreds of updings for racist revisionism. It’s almost funny, if one approaches it in the right spirit.
303 | alpuz Fri, Aug 2, 2013 11:59:13am |
re: #302 steve_davis
They finally shut it down at 3827 comments.
304 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:02:11pm |
re: #285 gunnison
Let me add, regarding your assertion that Snowden has made the conversation about survellance “difficult”;
Had it not been for what Snowden did, we would not, in my opinion, be having this conversation at all.
In some ways, correct, although not from lack of interest by some parties. The Patriot Act is a very flawed piece of legislation that clearly needs to be revisited and there’s plenty of people who’ve wanted to have that conversation for a while, only to be shut down.
I would argue that it was very possible for Snowden to have brought this topic forward without stealing classified documents or (if you feel he would have needed to show some proof) providing a data dump directly to foreign intelligence agencies in China and Russia. Those actions, combined with the MEMEME bleat from Greenwald, have turned this story away from the conversation that needs to be had and more into what Snowden did.
Also, while principle and self-interest may not be mutually exclusive, stealing and releasing classified information because the government “shouldn’t spy on its own citizens” and then fleeing to Hong Kong and Russia does not exactly correlate.
305 | gunnison Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:48:25pm |
re: #304 klys
Aside from our differences related to the connection between acting on principle and staying out of the clutches of law enforcement (which clearly you think is a much bigger deal than do I), we’re not that far apart, maybe. We’re certainly not adversaries.
I agree that Snowden made some remarks about the “dedication to civil rights” in Hong Kong which are completely unsupportable outside of a lunatic asylum, but I think I can understand that he may have been trying to box the Chinese in a bit with that - he may have felt that such (public) remarks would make it more “difficult” for the HK authorities to simply fold and turn him over. Doesn’t have to be true, it just has to be something he believed.
I do think that had he gone to a European nation he would have been arrested and extradited, and I do think I understand his reluctance to endure that outcome. Nor do I think that his apparent determination to remain “at large” detracts from what he says his motives are.
Greenwald has been, well, Greenwald, and to expect anything else is unrealistic, but we are where we are.
Perhaps Snowden could have found another way to bring this stuff to the front burner where I think we both believe it belongs, just as you suggest.
But he didn’t, and the fact that he did not find the most elegant method of disclosure doesn’t make me want to demonize him as much as many folks around here seem comfortable with.
We don’t know the extent to which there has been a “data dump” to the Chinese or the Russians. We do know that convincing people of that serves the interests of discrediting Snowden’s motives. I remain agnostic about whether that happened or not - the only evidence of it is the repeated insistence of those who believe it’s inevitable - but there is no way to objectively verify it. That’s a position which triggers derision here, and will boost my downvote collection, but there it is. Maybe I’ll get them framed one of these days.
On balance, I’m happy to see this issue brought front and center, even as I have some of the same dissatisfaction as you do. I’m skeptical that the Patriot Act would be the topic of discussion to the extent it now is without Snowden’s actions.
I’m also skeptical that those who remain enamored with Obama (I worked my ass off for his campaign in ‘08, for whatever that’s worth, and would not vote for today’s GOP at gunpoint) will enter this discussion with anything like the enthusiasm they had for the topic when we had a GOP president. I firmly believe this issue, and some others, transcend party loyalties. They do for me anyway.
Again, I appreciate that our discussion is forthright and civil. I think that matters, and I wish it were more common. There are many serious issues confronting the future that will be faced by future genrations, and now is not too soon to get serious about trying to deal with them.
LGF does a fine job of articulating the total fucking madness that is today’s GOP base (which is why I come here) and is an important part of the struggle.
306 | EPR-radar Fri, Aug 2, 2013 2:55:58pm |
re: #305 gunnison
One point that is worth adding here is that the official responses in cases like this often come down to “trust us”.
For a response of that type, I will be much more skeptical if is coming from the G W Bush administration than from the Obama administration. For Obama press releases, I’m skeptical, but I do not start out with the presumption that every factual statement is a lie, which is where I ended up with the Bushies.
The bottom line is that there should be enough transparency in the process so that official reliance on “trust us” is minimized.
307 | gunnison Fri, Aug 2, 2013 3:40:50pm |
re: #306 EPR-radar
One point that is worth adding here is that the official responses in cases like this often come down to “trust us”.
For a response of that type, I will be much more skeptical if is coming from the G W Bush administration than from the Obama administration. ….
Not so long ago I would have heartily endorsed that view.
But I have gradually become ever more disenchanted with what I perceive to be a massive distance between Obama’s rhetoric, especially his campaign rhetoric, and the positions he’s embraces in office.
He’s been elected twice now with campaigns which are far to the left of where he has been operating once installed. I do understand that a president is not a dictator, and that the level of simple bloody-minded obstructionism is at unprecedented levels, but still.
His constant striving for “bipartisanship” for the vast majority of his time in office was a fucking embarrassment for me and the biggest political disappointment of my lifetime. And I’m not naive, I expect to be disappointed by politicians.
You can’t seek compromise with bullies committed to your destruction, and it’s lunacy to try.
I’d put campaign finance reform as something else that needs to be on the front burner, along with all this NSA stuff, and also the appalling militarization of our domestic police forces. And climate change and a sane energy/resource consumption policy.
We’ve got a long way to go, and it’s going to be a marathon, not a sprint.
308 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:00:13pm |
re: #305 gunnison
Apologies on my delays in replying, as I am also frantically packing to get ready to head out on a three week road trip and are going to a play tonight. For which I needed to pull together a picnic dinner.
I think one of the difference we are operating under is that for me, integrity is a big deal. A really big fucking deal. And Snowden’s actions showed he has very little, which makes me very much less inclined to give him the credit of the doubt and also trashes any respect I might have had. It colors my view of events significantly.
It would have been possible to go public with integrity, because sometimes you have to sacrifice your word to uphold a greater good. But for me, part of that would have entailed dealing with the actual consequences of his actions, whatever they might be. His decision to avoid that - to run - says he puts his own self-interest ahead of his integrity and his principles. Fair enough, a lot of people do. But then I have to evaluate why he thought it was in his self-interest to do this in the first place, because it’s hard to argue about “principles” when your “principles” only seem to relate directly to one’s self-interest.
I offer this as insight for why I, at least, have such a negative reaction to Snowden. For me, it smacks of hypocrisy and makes me much less likely to take anything he or his supporters (like Greenwald or his fanclub) say seriously. (Also, seriously, the dude treated his girlfriend like a complete asshole and has apparently had a female Wikileaks “advisor” glued to his side the entire time since he left Hong Kong. Guy could be the best thing since sliced bread and I would be pissed about that - that level of personal disregard for other people is one of my pet peeves.)
Reason also states that, although there can be no real verification either way, the Chinese and Russian intelligence services would not have let that kind of data trove walk out of their reach without investigating it thoroughly.
309 | gunnison Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:13:45pm |
re: #308 klys
The road trip and the picnic are vastly more important, so for my money that’s where to focus.
I don’t actually disagree with your position as you articulate it here.
For myself, I’ve lived quite a while now, with several episodes of what I now regard as unsatisfactory levels of integrity. My only defense is that it was the best I could do at the time. Whatever integrity I have been able to assemble over my life has been hard-won. It did not come naturally, which given where I started from is not surprising.
So perhaps I’m more, oh I don’t know, maybe elastic about Snowden’s integrity than many people.
I can’t in good conscience hold him (he’s young still) to a higher standard than I myself was able to manage around his age.
I can embrace the idea that he’s motivated by principle and at the same time have an interest in remaining (relatively) free.
Life’s funny, isn’t it?
We really can’t separate the personal from the impersonal to a high degree. We’re all creatures of the paths we have taken, and what we have learned. Or failed to learn.
Enjoy the road trip.
I love road trips.
:)
310 | klys Fri, Aug 2, 2013 4:18:42pm |
re: #309 gunnison
I’m slightly younger than him, so that may be where I hold him to a different standard. I just wanted to offer my perspective, at least, to provide some background for at least one reaction to Snowden and why I tend to be negative about him.
The road trip should be great, once we actually get going. I have crochet and small cross stitch projects and there is lots of food prepped and maybe I will actually get to sleep.
311 | catfitz56 Mon, Aug 5, 2013 10:04:55am |
Human Rights Watch does not have a case. It would be one thing merely to affirm Snowden’s right to apply for asylum, which is universal. But it’s another to make a finding — on the basis of nothing, because they have no finding or report or anything — that he in fact uncovered human rights violations at NSA. There isn’t any evidence of that. You don’t have to have trial-tested proof of a violation in order to make a claim of well-founded persecution, but you at least need *something*. Some kind of case. Some individual who can say his rights were violated. There isn’t any! Snowden refers only to a “suspected hacker’s girlfriend”. Well, care to give us some specifics on that to see if it is bogus or not or what it’s all about?
HRW has gone way over board to embrace Snowden as a human rights activist at a time when Jay Carney put it very succinctly — he’s not, and Putin should care more about practicing human rights activism not just in the airport lounge but all over the country, where he’s cracking down on human rights NGOs, including on HRW. Is that why they’re doing this pretzel twist?
This nonsense that Snowden is “driven” into exile is bizarre — no one ever asks why he didn’t just go to Venezuela first, and leak from there.