60 Minutes’ Benghazi Eyewitness Asked Fox News for Money

“We stopped speaking to him when he asked for money”
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Media Matters reports: 60 Minutes’ Benghazi Eyewitness Asked Fox News for Money.

Asked by Fox News anchor Jenna Lee what information the “Jones” interview brought to the story, correspondent Adam Housley said that he had previously spoken to the man “a number of times and then we stopped speaking to him when he asked for money.”

HOUSLEY: He reaffirms, really, what we’ve been reporting. In fact, Jenna, some of our reports for FoxNews.com last fall included this 60 Minutes’ witness’ account. He spoke to me on the phone a number of times and then we stopped speaking to him when he asked for money. But what he does do in his 60 Minutes appearance last night is once again kind of reaffirm the fact that this attack was vicious. That is was pre-planned. That they knew from the very beginnings of this attack this was not some random situation, this was a pre-planned attack.

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107 comments
1 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:30:39pm

my shocked face…

2 erik_t  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:32:10pm

Greenbeck thinks paid sources are the future of journalism.

3 b.d.  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:37:14pm

Just have one of Issa’s guys subpoena his ass and make him tell everything for free.

I saw the 60 Minutes piece and it showed the attack to be a horrible occurrence with most of the key failures happening on the local level.

4 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:40:14pm

re: #3 b.d.

Just have one of Issa’s guys subpoena his ass and make him tell everything for free.

I saw the 60 Minutes piece and it showed the attack to be a horrible occurrence with most of the key failures happening on the local level.

Such as Obama not having an entire USMC expeditionary unit available to teleport in and solve the whole thing in a matter of seconds.
/

5 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:40:26pm

I have yet to hear any coherent explanation of what the scandal actually is, or would mean, and how Obama stood to benefit from any of it.

6 erik_t  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:41:29pm

re: #5 GeneJockey

I have yet to hear any coherent explanation of what the scandal actually is, or would mean, and how Obama stood to benefit from any of it.

< cartalk> Well there’s your problem! < /cartalk>

7 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:42:10pm

re: #5 GeneJockey

I have yet to hear any coherent explanation of what the scandal actually is, or would mean, and how Obama stood to benefit from any of it.

Obama hated America so much, he made the GOP vote down the funding to provide proper security for the State Department.
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8 darthstar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:42:31pm

I’ll help you slander the Obama administration, but it’s going to cost you some coin.

/facepalm

9 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:43:10pm

re: #4 Kragar

Such as Obama not having an entire USMC expeditionary unit available to teleport in and solve the whole thing in a matter of seconds.
/

The same clowns who will tell you you need a big-ass gun and a shit load of ammunition because you’ll need to fend off an army of blacks bad guys and the cops will never get there in time imagine we could have had 150 heavily armed and combat ready Marines there in the time it takes to get a pizza from Dominoes.

10 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:43:37pm

re: #8 darthstar

I’ll help you slander the Obama administration, but it’s going to cost you some coin.

/facepalm

Well, hell - they’re making money off him. It’s only fair.

11 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:44:04pm

Bryan Fischer Will Not Have Sex With A Man!

Speaking yesterday with a caller who identified himself as a “non-practicing homosexual,” Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association reaffirmed his belief that homosexuality “is a matter of choice.” When the caller asked if Fischer “could have sex with a man,” Fischer was flummoxed and said he would never even begin to think about having gay sex.

When the caller pointed out the hypocrisy in Fischer’s position that gay men should simply just “choose” to see women, the AFA spokesman, still puzzled, said, “If an individual does not have a legitimate way to satisfy their sexual impulses, then the path that God has designed for them is the path of abstinence, chastity and celibacy.”

12 theliel  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:44:08pm

re: #8 darthstar

I’ll help you slander the Obama administration, but it’s going to cost you some coin.

/facepalm

I’m actually surprised that they weren’t willing to pay in their quest to destroy That Guy.

13 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:44:23pm

re: #5 GeneJockey

I have yet to hear any coherent explanation of what the scandal actually is, or would mean, and how Obama stood to benefit from any of it.

The idea is that Obama had his foreign policy people lie about the Al Qaeda connection and downplay the entire matter generally to keep it from being a drag on his reelection campaign.

Note: I didn’t say that I believe this.

14 b.d.  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:44:53pm

re: #5 GeneJockey

I have yet to hear any coherent explanation of what the scandal actually is, or would mean, and how Obama stood to benefit from any of it.

Obama FAILED to have multiple Seal Teams constantly ready and circling airborne over ALL possible places of hostility.

15 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:45:08pm

i’ve tried applying benghazi to my painful, swelling ignorance, but it doesn’t seem to have helped

16 erik_t  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:46:15pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

i’ve tried applying benghazi to my painful, swelling ignorance, but it doesn’t seem to have helped

Did you follow the directions?

BenghaziOn. Apply directly to forehead.
BenghaziOn. Apply directly to forehead.
BenghaziOn. Apply directly to forehead.

17 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:47:44pm

re: #11 Kragar

Bryan Fischer Will Not Have Sex With A Man!

flummoxes are an endangered species

18 b.d.  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:50:18pm

Did Edward Snowden download any BENGHAZI!!1! information!?! The only thing that could make this whole BENGHAZI!1! thing any better is to have Glenn Greenwald involved in it.

19 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:50:20pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

i’ve tried applying benghazi to my painful, swelling ignorance, but it doesn’t seem to have helped

Must be one of those “last longer” cremes. ‘Cause the Benghazi bugaloo seems to last forever

20 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:50:28pm

re: #13 Dark_Falcon

The idea is that Obama had his foreign policy people lie about the Al Qaeda connection and downplay the entire matter generally to keep it from being a drag on his reelection campaign.

But then why didn’t he send in the aforementioned 150 heavily armed, combat ready Marines that are imagined to be within half an hour of anywhere on Earth? Why the alleged ‘Stand Down’ order?

It seems to me that it’s another example of mutually exclusive beliefs - on the one hand, Obama hates America so much he WANTED those 4 people to die, but on the other hand he wanted to hide the True Nature of the attack.

It seems to boil down to Obama is SO INCOMPETENT that even his evil plots don’t make any damned sense!!!

Note: I didn’t say that I believe this.

You seem to be a recovering Republican, Dark.

21 erik_t  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:51:56pm

re: #19 Political Atheist

Must be one of those “last longer” cremes. ‘Cause the Benghazi bugaloo seems to last forever

If your Benghazi lasts for more than four hours, see a physician immediately.

22 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:52:51pm

re: #20 GeneJockey

You seem to be a recovering Republican, Dark.

I would add “in denial” to that statement.

23 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:54:28pm

re: #22 klys

I would add “in denial” to that statement.

///I typically think of I him as a “functioning” Republican, he won’t be a “recovering” Republican till 2016 when Ted Cruze/Santorum wins the nomination and he votes for a democrat in the White House.

24 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:55:40pm
25 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:56:09pm

re: #22 klys

I would add “in denial” to that statement.

I always enjoy reading the “What the hell was I thinking?” posts from former Republicans when the scales finally and truly fall from their eyes.

Not saying Dark’s anywhere near there, or will get there, but who knows? Maybe the GOP will put up ‘Cruz/Palin 2016’.

Yeeeesh! Felt for a moment like someone walked over my grave.

26 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:56:27pm

re: #20 GeneJockey

No, I just understand that particular issue too well to freak out. Lindsey Graham is running with this in order to fling meat to South Carolina wingnuts. Obama can’t put a stop to it because to come out and flatly admit the limits of US power and foresight would basically be an admission that Al Qaeda won on that 11th anniversary of 9/11. The president cannot do that because to admit that terrorists just plain got the better of you is morale poison for your people and it lets them ‘spike the football’.

27 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 1:59:30pm

re: #15 dog philosopher

i’ve tried applying benghazi to my painful, swelling ignorance, but it doesn’t seem to have helped

Apply it directly to your forehead.

28 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:01:25pm
29 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:02:47pm

Local Yemen sources are saying there was a large IED and possibly some shooting, but that the US Embassy does not appear to be under attack.

Story is developing.

30 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:03:12pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

No, I just understand that particular issue too well to freak out. Lindsey Graham is running with this in order to fling meat to South Carolina wingnuts. Obama can’t put a stop to it because to come out and flatly admit the limits of US power and foresight would basically be an admission that Al Qaeda won on that 11th anniversary of 9/11. The president cannot do that because to admit that terrorists just plain got the better of you is morale poison for your people and it lets them ‘spike the football’.

Which makes me wonder about the sanity and patriotism of those who use it to attack Obama. The fact is that shit like this will happen. This may have been an organized attack by a group with nodding acquaintance with AQ, but it was at a poorly-armed diplomatic post, and killed 4 Americans, largely through poor planning and bad luck on our parts.

Not to diminish the deaths of the Ambassador and the others, but it wasn’t ‘Another 9/11’. And to make such a big deal out of it makes AQ a bigger deal than it really is.

But then, I think there is a school of thought on the Right that misses the heady days immediately after 9/11, when it seemed possible we might face an actual existential threat, rather than a bunch of nihilists who got lucky.

31 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:03:28pm

It’s not always Big Brother we need to worry about; Sometimes its Little Brother who is the problem:

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has unveiled their “Air Angel,” a quadrapcopter drone meant to ensure hunters adhere to the law.

Recently, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals said they were acquiring drones, and now that the animal rights group has released their final product, they believe it will aid in raising awareness about the cruelty of hunting, though they may not legally be permitted to use them, Mashable reported.

According to Petacatalog.com, the “Air Angel” drone is a four-motored quadracopter capable of hovering high above the tree line while beaming captured video directly to a cell phone. Its purpose is to use the footage to alert game wardens of hunters engaging in illegal activity such as “drinking while in possession of a firearm, injuring animals and failing to pursue them, and illegally using spotlights, feed lures, and other nasty but common hunting tricks.”

32 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:05:45pm
33 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:06:11pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

It’s not always Big Brother we need to worry about; Sometimes its Little Brother who is the problem:

They’ll get hours and hours of the most boring footage in the world - “We spotted this hunter in a treestand before dawn this morning. He sat there for 3 hours, then climbed down cursing because not a single deer came anywhere close and his toes and fingers had gone numb from the cold.”

34 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:06:56pm

re: #26 Dark_Falcon

No, I just understand that particular issue too well to freak out. Lindsey Graham is running with this in order to fling meat to South Carolina wingnuts. Obama can’t put a stop to it because to come out and flatly admit the limits of US power and foresight would basically be an admission that Al Qaeda won on that 11th anniversary of 9/11. The president cannot do that because to admit that terrorists just plain got the better of you is morale poison for your people and it lets them ‘spike the football’.

The fact that this belief exists is why we can’t have nice things.

35 erik_t  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:06:58pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

It’s not always Big Brother we need to worry about; Sometimes its Little Brother who is the problem:

And so the other side shall learn the challenging problem of surveillance: data reduction.

I’m going to go fetch my popcorn.

36 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:07:30pm

And of course…

37 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:07:33pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

It’s not always Big Brother we need to worry about; Sometimes its Little Brother who is the problem:

That won’t end well. Assuming they ever really get sufficient resources and volunteers to deploy them in any number or wide area. I suspect more that they will pre-scout and then select a few areas with full intent of triggering confrontations with hunters. Hopefully with game wardens and police nearby since I suspect that things will not go peacefully given how PETA generally behaves.

And I certainly wish no one is looking for martyr creation either.

38 jaunte  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:07:48pm

re: #8 darthstar

I’ll help you slander the Obama administration, but it’s going to cost you some coin.

/facepalm

That is the ethos of Fox News.

40 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:11:24pm

re: #39 Kragar

Perry: Judge Overturning Texas Anti-Abortion Law Won’t Stop ‘Efforts To Protect Life’

Wait wait, don’t tell me, what he actually meant to say was: “significantly decrease women’s access to health care, increase maternal death rates, and once again confirm we don’t give a shit about people once out of the womb, just the clump of cells inside one.”

41 darthstar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:12:37pm

re: #12 theliel

I’m actually surprised that they weren’t willing to pay in their quest to destroy That Guy.

“That One” I made good money when McCain said that - had a “I’m voting for THAT ONE” t-shirt on Cafepress before the debate was over, and had sold six of them by the end of the evening.

42 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:13:11pm

re: #35 erik_t

And so the other side shall learn the challenging problem of surveillance: data reduction.

I’m going to go fetch my popcorn.

“Zoom in. Enhance! Zoom in. Enhance! Look, chief! That crappy, multiply over-recorded VHS tape from the video surveillance camera at the 7/11 clearly shows the suspect’s face! I ran it through Facial Recognition, end even with the false beard and moustache, the sunglasses, and the big, broad-brimmed hat, I was able to identify our suspect!”

43 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:14:42pm

he would have been better off asking foxnews for monkeys

44 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:15:37pm

re: #37 Feline Fearless Leader

That won’t end well. Assuming they ever really get sufficient resources and volunteers to deploy them in any number or wide area. I suspect more that they will pre-scout and then select a few areas with full intent of triggering confrontations with hunters. Hopefully with game wardens and police nearby since I suspect that things will not go peacefully given how PETA generally behaves.

And I certainly wish no one is looking for martyr creation either.

So far, their ‘angels’ tactics haven’t been as confrontational as PETA normally is. Some that, of course, may be that its not smart to throw things at a man with a gun.

45 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:16:06pm

re: #42 GeneJockey

“Zoom in. Enhance! Zoom in. Enhance! Look, chief! That crappy, multiply over-recorded VHS tape from the video surveillance camera at the 7/11 clearly shows the suspects face! I ran it through Facial Recognition, end even with the false beard and moustache, the sunglasses, and the big, broad-brimmed hat, I was able to identify our suspect!”

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47 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:16:43pm

re: #37 Feline Fearless Leader

That won’t end well. Assuming they ever really get sufficient resources and volunteers to deploy them in any number or wide area. I suspect more that they will pre-scout and then select a few areas with full intent of triggering confrontations with hunters. Hopefully with game wardens and police nearby since I suspect that things will not go peacefully given how PETA generally behaves.

And I certainly wish no one is looking for martyr creation either.

I figure the first day of deployment, some PETA nut will use it to buzz the deer to keep them out of range, and it will go downhill from there.

48 dog philosopher  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:17:20pm

personally i will go on teevee and say anything as long as you give me a monkey

49 darthstar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:17:40pm
50 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:19:21pm

re: #45 Kragar

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HA! I never saw that one. Perfect!!

51 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:21:11pm

Bradlee Dean: Communists Invented Word ‘Racism’

While speaking to his wife/co-host Stephanie Dean (his former co-host and Dean’s entire staff recently quit) about why a new article called him “anti-gay” rather than “pro-family,” Dean latched onto an urban legend about how Leon Trotsky coined the word “racism” in order to “to browbeat dissenters.”

“So what they do is they would just belittle them — by the way, this is what you’re seeing across America today, that is communism from A-Z and it was contrived directly from that devil Trotsky,” Dean said.

He even claimed that Trotsky was a propagandist for Joseph Stalin…even though they were fierce rivals and Stalin actually had him killed.

52 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:21:41pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

I figure the first day of deployment, some PETA nut will use it to buzz the deer to keep them out of range, and it will go downhill from there.

In some states that’s actually illegal. Frankly, I’d love it if PETA put up footage of one of their drones doing just that and then the drone’s operators were arrested.

Watching an idiot bury her/himself with their own footage: THAT’s entertainment!

53 Weet  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:22:40pm

I am thrilled that our prediction was correct:

U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel decided Monday that the regulations requiring abortion doctors to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital impeded on the rights of physicians to do what they judge is best for their patients and would unreasonably limit a woman’s access to state abortion clinics.
Federal judge rules key provisions of controversial Texas abortion law unconstitutional

Appointed by GWB.

54 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:23:49pm

re: #53 Weet

I am thrilled that our prediction was correct:

U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel decided Monday that the regulations requiring abortion doctors to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital impeded on the rights of physicians to do what they judge is best for their patients and would unreasonably limit a woman’s access to state abortion clinics.
>Federal judge rules key provisions of controversial Texas abortion law unconstitutional

Appointed by GWB.

RINO!!11ty
/

55 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:26:11pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

In some states that’s actually illegal. Frankly, I’d love it if PETA put up footage of one of their drones doing just that and then the drone’s operators were arrested.

Watching an idiot bury her/himself with their own footage: THAT’s entertainment!

Whenever I think of PETA, I remember the Futurama episode with “Popplers” (“Stop eating our young!”), where there’s a PETA type who tells people to ‘stop eating meat, man’.

“We taught a lion to eat tofu!”, and the picture pans to this emaciated lion who gives a sickly cough…

56 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:26:32pm

re: #47 GeneJockey

I figure the first day of deployment, some PETA nut will use it to buzz the deer to keep them out of range, and it will go downhill from there.

Something like that is what I presume as well. And a lot will depend on when and where they do it since a lot of states have regulations regarding people without hunting licenses (and associated gear) being out and about in game lands during deer season. Primarily intended I think to prevent non-hunters from being used as game beaters, but also has application for dealing with those trying to interfere with legitimate hunting activity.

Be also interesting in some sort of “air angel” trying to even find a turkey hunter. In PA they are allowed to use full camo and the only orange requirement is marking a tree near their stand location.

Then again I don’t expect “air angel” activity in most of the areas I’ve hunted - too much tree and brush cover, plus being fairly hilly. Those smaller quad copters are not going to do that well in that terrain in terms of control distance or ability to scan any sort of large area. Would have better luck using spies on foot.

57 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:28:54pm

re: #56 Feline Fearless Leader

Something like that is what I presume as well. And a lot will depend on when and where they do it since a lot of states have regulations regarding people without hunting licenses (and associated gear) being out and about in game lands during deer season. Primarily intended I think to prevent non-hunters from being used as game beaters, but also has application for dealing with those trying to interfere with legitimate hunting activity.

Be also interesting in some sort of “air angel” trying to even find a turkey hunter. In PA they are allowed to use full camo and the only orange requirement is marking a tree near their stand location.

Then again I don’t expect “air angel” activity in most of the areas I’ve hunted - too much tree and brush cover, plus being fairly hilly. Those smaller quad copters are not going to do that well in that terrain in terms of control distance or ability to scan any sort of large area. Would have better luck using spies on foot.

A number of states, including California, have no ‘Blaze Orange’ requirements at all. We just don’t have that many hunters, even though the state is HUGE.

58 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:29:42pm

During small game season -

“Honest judge, it whirred just like a dove does when taking off. So I took it down. Had no idea it was some kind of little helicopter. What would something like that being doing out in the woods!”

59 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:29:59pm

So, now Greenwald is an expert on parliamentary limits?


We shall see. Newspapers are not sacrosanct in Britain, as NewsCorp found out. The Official Secrets Act of 1989 could possibly cover what The Guardian is publishing.

60 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:31:16pm

re: #24 Kragar

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61 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:31:18pm

Tom Waits - Altar Boy

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62 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:32:06pm

I don’t understand how they have been able to keep a “scandal” alive on this?
I have heard so much about it and so much bitching by the right wing, but never anything clear.
I honestly feel like I could understand Quantum Mechanics, taught in Cantonese, better than I can understand this “scandal”

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:32:15pm

“Air Angels” would have the very worst day of their lives trying that here in eastern Kentucky…

64 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:32:17pm

re: #57 GeneJockey

A number of states, including California, have no ‘Blaze Orange’ requirements at all. We just don’t have that many hunters, even though the state is HUGE.

PA has pretty hefty requirements for wearing orange (especially for moving about/stalking) and still pretty much manages a few hunters shooting hunters incidents per year. Bear season seems pretty prone to it in particular for some reason.

65 erik_t  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:33:08pm

re: #62 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton

I don’t understand how they have been able to keep a “scandal” alive on this?
I have heard so much about it and so much bitching by the right wing, but never anything clear.
I honestly feel like I could understand Quantum Mechanics, taught in Cantonese, better than I can understand this “scandal”

Here’s the clear version: the President is near.

66 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:33:39pm

re: #64 Feline Fearless Leader

PA has pretty hefty requirements for wearing orange (especially for moving about/stalking) and still pretty much manages a few hunters shooting hunters incidents per year. Bear season seems pretty prone to it in particular for some reason.

I know a lot of farmers here who put hunter orange on their cows.
(Yes, some hunters are really stupid…)

67 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:34:52pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Air Angels” would have the very worst day of their lives trying that here in eastern Kentucky…

i suspect they’ll stick to blue states. In Kentucky they’d be beset by a legion of enraged Paulians, each one with a teabag upon his cap.

//

68 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:35:06pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

Whenever I think of PETA, I remember the Futurama episode with “Popplers” (“Stop eating our young!”), where there’s a PETA type who tells people to ‘stop eating meat, man’.

“We taught a lion to eat tofu!”, and the picture pans to this emaciated lion who gives a sickly cough…

Youtube Video

69 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:35:30pm

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

I know a lot of farmers here who put hunter orange on their cows.
(Yes, some hunters are really stupid…)

That’s udderly mad.

70 Flounder  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:35:37pm

Anyone have some salsa to go with my purritos?Image: triple_enchilada.jpg

71 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:36:21pm

re: #51 Kragar

Bradlee Dean: Communists Invented Word ‘Racism’

Trotsky was a propagandist for Stalin?!

Staggering historical ignorance.

72 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:36:40pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

That’s udderly mad.

hunters from the city…
sigh…

73 GlutenFreeJesus  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:36:47pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

Whenever I think of PETA, I remember the Futurama episode with “Popplers” (“Stop eating our young!”), where there’s a PETA type who tells people to ‘stop eating meat, man’.

“We taught a lion to eat tofu!”, and the picture pans to this emaciated lion who gives a sickly cough…

That was on here last weekend. Great episode.

74 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:37:01pm
75 Flounder  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:38:29pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals has unveiled their “Air Angel,” a quadrapcopter drone meant to ensure hunters adhere to the law.

Is it big enough to drag a deer out? I could make money with that!

76 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:38:48pm
77 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:41:18pm

re: #59 Justanotherhuman

And what’s with this “the journalism” bullshit?

I truly think GG is basking in the glow of the efforts of others, acting as some kind of weird doppelganger of a real journalist while actively pushing his own agenda.

78 Political Atheist  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:43:50pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon
re: #75 Flounder

Right, that drone from PETA gonna check my license and tag when/if am a sustenance hunter? Maybe they should spend the cash on no kill animal shelters instead of killing all those domestic cats.

Dunno, I might just accidentally confuse that drone with a game bird. ” Click click BOOM” oh damn it another quad. ///

79 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:44:52pm

re: #75 Flounder

Is it big enough to drag a deer out? I could make money with that!

No. A drone with that kind of payload would be much larger, and I think there’d be legal issues.

80 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:45:47pm

Breaking.

Federal judge has ruled key provisions of TX law on abortions unconstitutional.

81 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:46:23pm

re: #80 Justanotherhuman

Breaking.

Federal judge has ruled key provisions of TX law on abortions unconstitutional.

re: #53 Weet

I am thrilled that our prediction was correct:

U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel decided Monday that the regulations requiring abortion doctors to have admitting privileges at a nearby hospital impeded on the rights of physicians to do what they judge is best for their patients and would unreasonably limit a woman’s access to state abortion clinics.
>Federal judge rules key provisions of controversial Texas abortion law unconstitutional

Appointed by GWB.

82 Kragar  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:47:56pm

Cruz Defends Texas Anti-Abortion Law: It’s Constitutional

“Texas passed commonsense legislation to protect the health of women and their unborn children,” Cruz said in a statement. “This law is constitutional and consistent with U.S. Supreme Court precedent protecting the life and health of the mother and child. I hope the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals will uphold Texas’ reasonable law.”

83 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:48:33pm

re: #64 Feline Fearless Leader

PA has pretty hefty requirements for wearing orange (especially for moving about/stalking) and still pretty much manages a few hunters shooting hunters incidents per year. Bear season seems pretty prone to it in particular for some reason.

Probably because bears might hunt YOU.

Pennsylvania has about 3 times as many hunters as California, with a much smaller population and a lot less area, so I’m not surprised they have more rigorous hunter visibility rules.

That said, however, I do know some public hunting land near Gilroy, probably the only public hunting land within 200 miles, which gets frighteningly full of people at times. A friend and I went there once, and as dawn broke there were an alarming number of shotgun blasts all over the place. Turns out it was quail season. We passed at least 3 parties on the way to getting the hell out of there.

84 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:48:45pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Yeakel is not the first Bush appointed judge to rule against these reactionaries.

85 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:50:44pm

re: #55 GeneJockey

Whenever I think of PETA, I remember the Futurama episode with “Popplers” (“Stop eating our young!”), where there’s a PETA type who tells people to ‘stop eating meat, man’.

“We taught a lion to eat tofu!”, and the picture pans to this emaciated lion who gives a sickly cough…

“The one called Smelly Hippie is right!”

86 Justanotherhuman  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:51:13pm

re: #82 Kragar

Cruz Defends Texas Anti-Abortion Law: It’s Constitutional

Cruz is a dangerous reactionary god-botherer. His is just an opinion, nothing more.

87 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:51:53pm

re: #85 BongCrodny

“The one called Smelly Hippie is right!”

Whoa. That hippie is starting to kick in…Did you ever look at your hands?”

88 Backwoods_Sleuth  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:53:15pm

re: #87 GeneJockey

Whoa. That hippie is starting to kick in…Did you ever look at your hands?”

need mohr doritos….

89 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:53:39pm

re: #86 Justanotherhuman

Cruz is a dangerous reactionary god-botherer. His is just an opinion, nothing more.

We have a constitutional process for determining what is, and is not constitutional, and the only part he has in it is 1% of the ‘advice and consent’ to the appointment of federal judges.

90 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 2:54:40pm

re: #82 Kragar

Cruz Defends Texas Anti-Abortion Law: It’s Constitutional

Next on “As the Wingnut Spews”, Ted Cruz calls a judge who ruled against his pet law a “poo-poo head”.

92 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:00:54pm

At this point, the entire “scandal” around BENGHAZI!!! seems to amount to this continued belief that the White House did not immediately label what happened there a terrorist attack to avoid political blowback. Or, in other words, Republicans are still holding a grudge over a year later that this didn’t turn into the Iranian Hostage Crisis: Part Deux that they desperately hoped for last year.

93 ausador  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:01:02pm

And thus did the war of Benghazi semantics continueth into its second year, the forces of spontaneous being savaged by those of pre-planned in the arena of the kingdom of Fox.

Nether side was willing to admit that they were both saying the same thing only using different words. There could never be any surrender or quarter offered to such an intransigent and implacable foe.

Therefore the war between the two sides was fated to continue into perpetuity. Those who sided with the idea of local terrorists taking their prompting for an assault on the embassy annex from the protests in Egypt and calling them spontaneous on the one side.

Those who sided with the idea of local terrorists taking their prompting for an assault on the embassy annex from the protests in Egypt and calling them pre-planned upon the other.

Two sides doomed to engage each other over and over in their endless war of semantics that neither could ever hope to win. Much blood was let by grammar nazis and spelling checkers from both sides yet the final resolution of the conflict never seemed to get any closer.

And so things stood even as the year of our Lord 2014 approacheth…

:p

94 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:10:32pm

re: #93 ausador

I think the Right prefers to believe that the video in question played NO PART in the whole thing, even to the extent of denying that the attackers might have used the Cairo embassy incident and other ferment in the Muslim World as cover. To them, it has to be ALL about the 9/11 anniversary and anger over Obama’s “Victory Lap” WRT ObL.

95 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:11:31pm

re: #94 GeneJockey

I think the Right prefers to believe that the video in question played NO PART in the whole thing, even to the extent of denying that the attackers might have used the Cairo embassy incident and other ferment in the Muslim World as cover. To them, it has to be ALL about the 9/11 anniversary and anger over Obama’s “Victory Lap” WRT ObL.

DANGER, DANGER, TOO MUCH NUANCE, CANNOT PROCESS, MUST SHUT DOWN NOW.

96 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:13:46pm

re: #95 klys

DANGER, DANGER, TOO MUCH NUANCE, CANNOT PROCESS, MUST SHUT DOWN NOW.

Oops! Triggered the Complexity Breakers. Where’s that reset button? Anyone got a paperclip?

97 ObserverArt  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:13:53pm

Strange isn’t it?

Last thread was about not needing any borders, states, countries, spying and all that nasty old stuff in the libertarian ideal world.

This thread is about the need for a 24/7/356 world-wide in the air for immediate delivery strike force to prevent Benghazi like incidents.

And then, there was a rally the other day to stop spying brought about by the purest dudebros, wingers, and moonbats.

Ball of confusion…that’s what the world is today.

98 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:15:40pm

re: #96 GeneJockey

Oops! Triggered the Complexity Breakers. Where’s that reset button? Anyone got a paperclip?

/Clippy pops up:

“I see you are trying to interject some nuance into political discussion. I’m sorry, no templates are available for this. I can offer you a template for “flame war,” “fundraising e-mail,” or “op-ed masquerading as real news” instead.

Does this solve your problem?”

99 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:18:47pm

re: #98 klys

/Clippy pops up:

“I see you are trying to interject some nuance into political discussion. I’m sorry, no templates are available for this. I can offer you a template for “flame war,” “fundraising e-mail,” or “op-ed masquerading as real news” instead.

Does this solve your problem?”

For performance reviews this year, we managers have access to an adjective intensity adjustment device, which allows you to increase or decrease the strength of whatever term you’re applying to your employee. And no, I’m NOT kidding.

If they had something like that for internet flame wars, they’d all be set permanently at 11.

100 LGF Subscription: Breathes Like Egyptian Cotton  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:20:19pm

re: #93 ausador


I read that with Cate Blanchett from Lord of the Rings Narrating.

101 klys  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:20:42pm

re: #99 GeneJockey

For performance reviews this year, we managers have access to an adjective intensity adjustment device, which allows you to increase or decrease the strength of whatever term you’re applying to your employee. And no, I’m NOT kidding.

If they had something like that for internet flame wars, they’d all be set permanently at 11 to OVER 9000.

FTFY.

102 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:26:38pm

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Trotsky was a propagandist for Stalin?!

Staggering historical ignorance.

They just make shit up.

103 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:28:30pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

They just make shit up.

It’s not like their audience knows the difference, or would care if they did.

104 ObserverArt  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:31:52pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Air Angels” would have the very worst day of their lives trying that here in eastern Kentucky…

This brings up something I’ve always liked to imagine since it has been so long ago. I would love to go back in time and see what the Great Lake states, the Appalachian states and the North Eastern states all were like before Europeans hit North America. Just the indigenous peoples and how they lived in these beautiful areas. I can see how there may have been very little open land in many states. Tree to creek/stream/river to tree to lake to next tree. Our version of dense jungle. Must have been something.

105 ProTARDISLiberal  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:32:50pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Like everything else in Australia, it can probably either kill you or make you wish you were dead.

106 ObserverArt  Mon, Oct 28, 2013 3:34:31pm

re: #71 Dr Lizardo

Trotsky was a propagandist for Stalin?!

Staggering historical ignorance.

All commies look the same don’tcha know.

107 BusyMonster  Tue, Oct 29, 2013 8:50:33am

re: #51 Kragar

Bradlee Dean: Communists Invented Word ‘Racism’

That headline is full of win. The nucking futs have gone over the falls in a barrel, shrieking like morons all the way. “The Communists did it! The Communists are coming!”

I see an old man stumbling down the street, his walker tipped over about a block back, screaming that the Communists have done him in. All around him the kids are milling about reading their iPhones, and they don’t give a fuck about him and his phantom fears.

This is the state of our political discussion today.


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