How Administration Officials Cried ‘Terrorism’ to Cover Up a Paperwork Error

The “No Fly List” is punishment without due process
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This is why you want a public due process. The greater the secrecy in the process the greater the negative consequences for innocents caught up.

FBI agent Kevin Kelley was investigating Muslims in the San Francisco Bay Area in 2004 when he checked the wrong box on a terrorism form, erroneously placing Rahinah Ibrahim on the no-fly list….

At one point, Judge Alsup dismissed the case. A federal appeals court reinstated it in 2012, more than a year after Alsup tossed it. A month before Ibrahim’s trial, the judge said he learned the Kafkaesque truth. “I feel that I have been had by the government,” he said in a November pretrial conference.

Last week he laid it out all in his final order in the case, ruling for Ibrahim following a five-day, non-jury trial that was conducted largely behind closed doors in December.

At long last, the government has conceded that plaintiff poses no threat to air safety or national security and should never have been placed on the no-fly list. She got there by human error within the FBI. This too is conceded. This was no minor human error but an error with palpable impact, leading to the humiliation, cuffing, and incarceration of an innocent and incapacitated air traveler. That it was human error may seem hard to accept — the FBI agent filled out the nomination form in a way exactly opposite from the instructions on the form, a bureaucratic analogy to a surgeon amputating the wrong digit — human error, yes, but of considerable consequence. (.pdf)

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126 comments
1 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 12:05:55pm

Update-Changed that headline to a more accurate “Admin” rather than Obama.

2 jvic  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 2:15:09pm

1. Secret courts, secret evidence, secret trials, secret verdicts…what could go wrong?

2. The administrative state’s refusal to acknowledge & apologize for a simple mistake could well wind up making it more difficult to investigate real leads to terrorism. On one hand, our enemies view our due process as a weakness to be exploited; on the other hand, in the Ibrahim case we clearly see the government grossly abusing its discretion.

3. The bulk of the coverup happened during the Obama administration, but the coverup started under Bush. This isn’t, or shouldn’t be, a partisan matter. It’s inherent in the nature of bureaucracy.

4. Without consequences to the perpetrators of the coverup, I fear this kind of thing will continue unscathed. My guess: the FBI agent who checked the wrong box will get a slap on the wrist, and nobody higher up will be affected.

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:00:18pm

This one is a clear case of major screw-ups by the DOJ and FBI, and a compelling reason to get rid of these counter-productive, secret, overly broad and punitive “no-fly lists.”

4 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:00:53pm

They owe this woman an apology at the very least. Bureaucracy run amok.

5 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:05:19pm

we have a no-fly zone in the kitchen but they still get in

6 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:08:35pm

I never supported the no-fly list and I continue to believe it should be abolished with extreme prejudice. Bad enough to establish such a list where one doesn’t find out they’re on it until they arrive for their flight, but then to be forced to challenge a ruling by a bureaucracy that has every reason to hide their mistakes in court? Yeah, there’s no good argument for this list that makes the least bit of sense.

7 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:08:53pm

The US legal system is an adversarial system, and a bedrock assumption is made that both sides have access to the facts and have an opportunity to make their respective cases before a suitable judge/jury.

When these assumptions are made incorrect by over-broad application of official secrecy, there is simply no check at all on abuses by law enforcement and prosecutors. IMO, the US legal system is completely incapable of functioning under such circumstances.

8 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:19:22pm

If no humans are going to take responsibility, the only alternative is to declare the No Fly List guilty of abuse of human rights, and then execute it.

9 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:22:10pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

The US legal system is an adversarial system, and a bedrock assumption is made that both sides have access to the facts and have an opportunity to make their respective cases before a suitable judge/jury.

When these assumptions are made incorrect by over-broad application of official secrecy, there is simply no check at all on abuses by law enforcement and prosecutors. IMO, the US legal system is completely incapable of functioning under such circumstances.

The American legal system is not designed for ‘star chambers’.

10 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:24:26pm

Our system is based on checks and balances. Transparency and accountability are essential parts of the entire law enforcement / justice system. I don’t want to spend my last mortal minutes screaming from 30,000 feet because of a terrorist. But a no fly list like this makes me no safer. Sure there are some really scary people on that list. But look at the growth of this list!

The ACLU has had a few things to say on this-

Federal Courts Deal Setbacks to No-Fly List

By Hugh Handeyside, Staff Attorney, ACLU, National Security Project at 3:58pm
Federal courts are scrutinizing the government’s use of its secret No Fly List, and they don’t like what they see. In two recent decisions, judges have either rejected or expressed skepticism about the government’s arguments for secrecy and against a meaningful process for people to challenge their inclusion on the blacklist that bans them from travel to or from the United States or over American airspace. These decisions come on the heels of an August 2013 ruling in the ACLU’s No Fly List challenge, in which a court found, in a first-of-its-kind preliminary ruling, that our clients’ ability to fly internationally is protected by the Constitution.

11 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:24:38pm

Another knee jerk reaction to 9/11. Along with a lot of other policies.

But can we keep track of those with criminal or terroristic intent of any stripe who want to destroy, kill and maim? Is that possible at all if they have no criminal history, or does judgment have to be made about their associations?

12 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:30:01pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

The US legal system is an adversarial system, and a bedrock assumption is made that both sides have access to the facts and have an opportunity to make their respective cases before a suitable judge/jury.

When these assumptions are made incorrect by over-broad application of official secrecy, there is simply no check at all on abuses by law enforcement and prosecutors. IMO, the US legal system is completely incapable of functioning under such circumstances.

good point

there’s no reason to keep it secret from people if they are put on the no-fly list - it might even help by discouraging them from even trying

and if any person who found themselves on the list thought they didn’t deserve it, they could dispute it and get themselves taken off before finding themselves first confronted with it just at the time they wanted to make a plane trip

13 darthstar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:30:31pm
14 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:34:26pm

re: #10 Political Atheist

Congrats on the Page promotion. The no-fly list as it stands now is stupid.

15 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:34:27pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

This one is a clear case of major screw-ups by the DOJ and FBI, and a compelling reason to get rid of these counter-productive, secret, overly broad and punitive “no-fly lists.”

The entire “state secrets” government privilege for getting rid of lawsuits should be burned down. The 1953 case precedent from three widows suing over the death of their husbands with faulty equipment led to the precedent, and we found out in 2004 FOA filing that the government lied in their court filings to get the lawsuit scuppered.

The whole privilege that was used here in this case is based on a lie from 1953, and every President since then has used that lie to hide embarrassments.

16 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:37:18pm

re: #12 dog philosopher

and if any person who found themselves on the list thought they didn’t deserve it, they could dispute it and get themselves taken off before finding themselves first confronted with it just at the time they wanted to make a plane trip

Plus this thought-So how much safer are we from terrorists that arrive by boat or overland instead of a plane?

Oh worried he might blow up the plane? with what after all that super duper screening we all get before boarding?

This seems designed to punish rather than protect. I admit-Perhaps that goes too far but what if that is really the unintended effect of all this?

17 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:38:51pm

re: #12 dog philosopher

good point

there’s no reason to keep it secret from people if they are put on the no-fly list - it might even help by discouraging them from even trying

and if any person who found themselves on the list thought they didn’t deserve it, they could dispute it and get themselves taken off before finding themselves first confronted with it just at the time they wanted to make a plane trip

I mean seriously, if someone truly had murder & mayhem in their heart, does the government really think not allowing them to get on a plane will help? What’s to stop them from attacking a train, a shopping mall, a hotel, a sporting event, a school, etc. instead?

18 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:40:12pm

re: #14 CuriousLurker

Thanks, and thanks to Charles. it’s always gratifying to have a lil help from a respected major blogger online to make a worthwhile point.

19 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:42:36pm

re: #17 CuriousLurker

I mean seriously, if someone truly had murder & mayhem in their heart, does the government really think not allowing them to get on a plane will help? What’s to stop them from attacking a train, a shopping mall, a hotel, a sporting event, a school, etc. instead?

Not to mention that any of the objects you listed (train, shopping mall, hotel, etc.) would be easier to attack than hijacking an airplane, unfortunately.

20 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:44:23pm

re: #7 EPR-radar

The US legal system is an adversarial system, and a bedrock assumption is made that both sides have access to the facts and have an opportunity to make their respective cases before a suitable judge/jury.

When these assumptions are made incorrect by over-broad application of official secrecy, there is simply no check at all on abuses by law enforcement and prosecutors. IMO, the US legal system is completely incapable of functioning under such circumstances.

The legal system has become a conviction system, plain and simple. We have 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s prisoners. We incarcerate more prisoners in terms of percentage and actual numbers of living bodies than any other country on earth…and only Stalinist Russia beats us out in historical terms.

Epic rant here from law blog Popehat. I don’t agree with everything he says…but he says enough that is right on the money…

What neither side seems to realize is that the system is not reformable. There are multiple classes of people, but it boils down to the connected, and the not connected. Just as in pre-Revolutionary France, there is a very strict class hierarchy, and the very idea that we are equal before the law is a laughable nonsequitr.

Jamal the $5 weed slinger, Shaneekwa the hair braider, and Loudmouth Bob in the 7-11 parking lot are at the bottom of the hierarchy. They can, literally, be killed with impunity … as long as the dash cam isn’t running. And, hell, half the time they can be killed even if the dash cam is running. This isn’t hyperbole, mother-fucker. This is literal. Question me and I’ll throw 400 cites and 20 youtube clips at you.

Next up from Shaneekwa and Loudmouth Bob are us regular peons. We can have our balls squeezed at the airport, our rectums explored at the roadside, our cars searched because the cops got permission from a dog (I owe some Reason intern a drink for that one), our telephones tapped (because terrorism!), our bank accounts investigated (because FinCEN! and no expectation of privacy!). We don’t own the house we live in, not if someone of a higher social class wants it. We don’t own our own financial lives, because the education accreditation / student loan industry / legal triumvirate have declared that we can never escape - even through bankruptcy - our $200,000 debt that a bunch of adults convinced a can’t-tell-his-ass-from-a-hole-in-the-ground 18 year old that (a) he was smart enough to make his own decisions, and (b) college is a time to explore your interests and broaden yourself). And if there’s a “national security emergency” (defined as two idiots with a pressure cooker), then the constitution is suspended, martial law is declared, and people are hauled out of their homes.

The system is not fixable because it is not broken. It is working, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, to give the insiders their royal prerogatives, and to shove the regulations, the laws, and the debt up the asses of everyone else.

21 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:45:08pm

Well, that’s not good. The CNN website appears to have crashed - the domain is completely unreachable.

22 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:46:16pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

Not to mention that any of the objects you listed (train, shopping mall, hotel, etc.) would be easier to attack than hijacking an airplane, unfortunately.

Precisely.

23 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:49:29pm
24 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:49:40pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

Well, that’s not good. The CNN website appears to have crashed - the domain is completely unreachable.

Ice on the CNN HQ main satellite in Atlanta.

//

25 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:51:14pm

re: #24 b.d.

Ice on the CNN HQ main satellite in Atlanta.

//

We’ll have to get sattv2u on that…

26 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:55:17pm

Why am I not at all surprised by this?

Ted Cruz Threatens To Filibuster Clean Debt Limit Hike

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) will push a 60-vote threshold, meaning he’s threatening to filibuster, on a clean debt ceiling increase extension.
Cruz’s office confirmed the Texas senator’s plans to TPM on Tuesday afternoon.
Cruz’s move means lawmakers will need to rally 60 votes in the chamber to pass the bill, and Democrats only control 55 votes.

27 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:55:26pm

re: #20 Aunty Entity Dragon

The legal system has become a conviction system, plain and simple. We have 5% of the world’s population, but 25% of the world’s prisoners. We incarcerate more prisoners in terms of percentage and actual numbers of living bodies than any other country on earth…and only Stalinist Russia beats us out in historical terms.

Epic rant here from law blog Popehat. I don’t agree with everything he says…but he says enough that is right on the money…

Not sure I’d agree with Popehat’s broad assumption. After all, Shaneekwa the hair braider was the one who drove drunk the wrong way and killed 6 people.

And Loudmouth Bob was the guy on trial this date who killed those kids in the convenience store parking lot allegedly for playing their music too loud.

Whether or not they intend to be, we have bad actors in society such as the 2 cited. It’s also why every person, no matter what we think of their act, deserves a defense.

And there are always going to be people who get up in the morning, every morning, thinking someone has pissed in their Cheerios. No State, no matter what the ideology, will ever be good enough for them.

28 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:56:16pm

re: #26 RadicalModerate

Why am I not at all surprised by this?

Ted Cruz Threatens To Filibuster Clean Debt Limit Hike

People like Ted Cruz are why we can’t have nice things.

29 Swift2991  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 3:57:36pm

Instead of calling the NSA “surveillance”, let’s take action against false information and the false use of the government’s authority. The no-fly list confirms that we do not live in a surveillance society. We toss crap into the hopper and you never get off it. Give all those with power to influence the content of the list the mandate to resubmit from the start, justifying each entry.

30 Weet  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:00:41pm
31 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:01:09pm

re: #26 RadicalModerate

Why am I not at all surprised by this?

Ted Cruz Threatens To Filibuster Clean Debt Limit Hike

Grandstanding, nothing more. It just means that the Senate will have to go through the trouble of a cloture vote, as I doubt there are less than 5 Republicans willing to put this silliness to rest.

32 Weet  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:02:11pm
33 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:03:42pm

re: #30 Weet

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Boehner jettisoned the baggers in the House, time for Mitch to do the same in the Senate. They realize that cabal is an anchor tied to their ankles.

34 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:05:29pm

re: #5 dog philosopher

we have a no-fly zone in the kitchen but they still get in

Shoo-fly pie zone

35 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:05:49pm

Love to stick around but I have to dash off to do some creative capitalism (aka video editing for hire) and keep a deadline promise. Play nice. ;-)>

36 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:06:03pm

re: #33 b.d.

Boehner jettisoned the baggers in the House, time for Mitch to do the same in the Senate. They realize that cabal is an anchor tied to their ankles.

Think about that for a second, you really believe McConnell’s gonna stand up to the loons now? No, he’ll let this “filibuster” go through while he and at least four others vote for cloture, then vote against the bill before moving to the next item on his plate.

37 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:08:34pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

Think about that for a second, you really believe McConnell’s gonna stand up to the loons now? No, he’ll let this “filibuster” go through while he and at least four others vote for cloture, then vote against the bill before moving to the next item on his plate.

Mitch is in between a rock and a hard place, I think he’ll hide and let Cruz do his thing. Mitch is in a no-win zone right now, he can’t afford to piss anyone off and can’t do anything to make anyone happy.

38 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:10:28pm

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Not sure I’d agree with Popehat’s broad assumption. After all, Shaneekwa the hair braider was the one who drove drunk the wrong way and killed 6 people.

And Loudmouth Bob was the guy on trial this date who killed those kids in the convenience store parking lot allegedly for playing their music too loud.

Whether or not they intend to be, we have bad actors in society such as the 2 cited. It’s also why every person, no matter what we think of their act, deserves a defense.

And there are always going to be people who get up in the morning, every morning, thinking someone has pissed in their Cheerios. No State, no matter what the ideology, will ever be good enough for them.

Many many incidents of highly questionable LE shootings involving people of color or poor whites without social connections that always end up as “officer found to be within department guidelines”.

It doesn’t always end up with the social lower strata. Google “Cheye Calvo” and see what happened to him and his wife and mother. Also look here and here. That last one is especially nightmarish…and all those examples were middle class white people (or in the Calvo case, very upper class top 5%) who never had any LE contacts before. People or pets still ended up dead and the officers who mistakenly (or deliberately) shot them were not punished. What can people of color expect when they are shot for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

39 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:11:42pm

Worst. Idea. Ever.

Mozilla To Sell Ads In Firefox Web Browser

Mozilla Will Serve Ads Within Tiles Of Its New Tab Pages

Mozilla will soon sell ads within its Firefox browser, the company announced Tuesday.

Wait, what? Mozilla made itself the villian of the online ad business early last year by announcing that the latest version of Firefox would block third-party ad technologies by default, a move the Interactive Advertising Bureau’s top lobbyist called “a nuclear strike” on the industry.

A year later, the non-profit Mozilla is launching an ad business, at the IAB’s annual meeting in Palm Desert, Calif., no less.

The ads will appear within the tiles of Firefox’s new tabs page, which will also begin to suggest pre-packaged content for first time users. Mozilla is calling the new initiative “Directory Tiles.”

40 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:16:08pm

re: #39 RadicalModerate

Mozilla Will Serve Ads Within Tiles Of Its

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

41 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:18:48pm

It was a really shitty day in Afghanistan.
U.S. condemns Afghan decision to go ahead with detainee release

U.S. forces in Afghanistan on Tuesday condemned a decision by the Afghan government to proceed with plans to release additional detainees that the United States believes pose a militant threat.

The detainees have become one more issue fueling tension in U.S.-Afghan ties, as foreign troops, who have been in Afghanistan since 2001, steadily withdraw. The U.S. director of national intelligence said on Tuesday he did not expect President Hamid Karzai to sign a bilateral security agreement with Washington.

42 Aunty Entity Dragon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:18:50pm

re: #27 Justanotherhuman

Also, you may want to reread this nasty little incident…

The officers involved will not be fired, natch….

In fact, because of California laws, the public is not allowed to know who the officers are or what the discipline will be.

43 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:19:26pm

CNN.com is back now!!!

Now we can focus on the breaking real globe shaping news again:

*NEW - Did Bible writers err on camels?

cnn.com

44 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:19:37pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

Yes, but always remember the constants. From the beginning, there has always been pron. The internet’s foundation.

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:20:58pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

we can entertain our grandkids with stories about the early days of the internet. Before retinal scan logins and tiered paywall access.

46 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:22:25pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

we can entertain our grandkids with stories about the early days of the internet. Before retinal scan logins and tiered paywall access.

As free as a roaming gnome.

47 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:22:34pm

re: #38 Aunty Entity Dragon

Many many incidents of highly questionable LE shootings involving people of color or poor whites without social connections that always end up as “officer found to be within department guidelines”.

It doesn’t always end up with the social lower strata. Google “Cheye Calvo” and see what happened to him and his wife and mother. Also look here and here. That last one is especially nightmarish…and all those examples were middle class white people (or in the Calvo case, very upper class top 5%) who never had any LE contacts before. People or pets still ended up dead and the officers who mistakenly (or deliberately) shot them were not punished. What can people of color expect when they are shot for simply being in the wrong place at the wrong time?

I’m not questioning that so much.

We live in a society with a class structure and with problems even within each class. I just wish people would admit it. Instead, we call people making $25K/yr “middle class” when they are nowhere close to middle class and most are truly struggling. No one wants to call themselves “working class” anymore, yet that’s what most of us are, whether we make $25K or $100K—if we work for someone else, we don’t really control our own destiny—we’re at the whim and fortune of the employer. I think most here know that from experience.

It’s also a world of big corporations which can eat up the mom and pop stores and other enterprises in a heartbeat. Even eat up each other. The big fish are eating up the little and medium fish just to keep going.

It’s a lot more than just a political system that shapes a nation, which I think we all know.

48 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:24:27pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

A good friend of mine was working at a research lab at a big corporation, and was tasked to come up with a vision for future use of mobile media products.

His initial thought was few brilliant paragraphs about how just about everyone was wearing corporate logo placement devices that made them walking NASCAR uniforms that were updated in real time, and how it would be an ostentatious display of wealth to appear logo-free in public.

The corporate overlords never saw this, of course…

49 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:24:44pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

You didn’t think technology would be all capitalistic 24/7 at some point? That’s pretty naive.

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:27:17pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

“I’ve seen the future, and it’s nothing but ‘penis enlargement’ and ‘weight loss’ ads!”

51 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:28:00pm

re: #20 Aunty Entity Dragon

Good points. A legal system like ours is sufficiently adversarial that it can be reasonably viewed as a form of trial by combat. For those without the resources to wage this combat, the results are frequently as unjust as in the days of literal trial by combat.

Not an easy problem to fix, and it may be impossible as Popehat argues.

52 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:28:33pm

Meanwhile in Seattle….
What Demonstrators Were Getting at with the Amazon/CIA Protest

A little after 8 am, orange smoke drifted down the sidewalk. About a dozen demonstrators materialized, set off smoke flares, blocked an intersection, and held up a banner saying “CIAmazon.” One of them read the text of a flyer (find it at the end of this post) into a bullhorn, saying: “The simple truth is that Amazon, the leviathan that calls Seattle home, is currently building a private data cloud for the CIA. With this cloud, the CIA will be better able to incinerate entire Yemeni families with Predator drones, stalk domestic and foreign dissidents, and keep track of its operatives across the planet. Amazon is now directly complicit in every new death caused by the CIA.”

53 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:30:06pm

Yeah, nothing to see here…


“We’re not trying to interfere in an investigation, we just want you to tell us what the investigators have on us so we know what to lie about.”

54 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:32:14pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

Since Firefox is an open-source project, if the Mozilla Foundation goes through with this, I can see a major (ad-free) fork of the web browser that will likely be released simultaneously with the ad-ware version.
Also, because Google Chrome (and the open-source Chromium) web browser is now the most popular both in North America as well as worldwide (it passed IE’s market share in 2013), going ad-supported may be the beginning of the end for Firefox.

55 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:32:40pm

re: #53 Targetpractice

Yeah, nothing to see here…

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“We’re not trying to interfere in an investigation, we just want you to tell us what the investigators have on us so we know what to lie about.”

Isn’t that called subverting the course of justice, along with interfering with confidential sources of reporters? Pretty baldly so.

56 Tigger2  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:36:17pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

Well, that’s not good. The CNN website appears to have crashed - the domain is completely unreachable.

Wonder if the teabaggers will call for CNN to be dismantled.

57 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:36:45pm

re: #55 Justanotherhuman

Isn’t that called subverting the course of justice, along with interfering with confidential sources of reporters? Pretty baldly so.

Usually. If it were the White House calling up the people leveling accusations and asking not simply what they’d told reporters, but asking for them to voluntarily hand over copies of any documents supplied to the press, it would be a leading story in said press.

But Big Chris does it, so it’s nothing to worry about, he obviously has good reason.

58 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:38:07pm

re: #56 Tigger2

wonder if the teabaggers will call for CNN to be dismantled.

In true CNN fashion we should seek compromise. How about firing Wolf Blitzer? That seems fair.

59 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:38:09pm

HURR HURRRR!!!!1!!!!

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:39:10pm

I have a friend who is on the no-fly list. Agree with what’s been said. Truly a bad policy that needs fixed.

61 Belafon  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:40:39pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

Gotta love his twitter sig: Take the country back to redo the Civil War.

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:41:16pm

re: #61 Belafon

Gotta love his twitter sig: Take the country back to redo the Civil War.

Pretty funny given that his pals the Confederates would have loved them some Hitler.

63 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:42:52pm

Wow, I wonder who this poor lawyer made mad.

Package Explodes, Killing Tenn. Lawyer at Home

abcnews.go.com

64 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:43:45pm

HURR HURRR!!!!!!

65 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:44:34pm

re: #54 RadicalModerate

Since Firefox is an open-source project, if the Mozilla Foundation goes through with this, I can see a major (ad-free) fork of the web browser that will likely be released simultaneously with the ad-ware version.
Also, because Google Chrome (and the open-source Chromium) web browser is now the most popular both in North America as well as worldwide (it passed IE’s market share in 2013), going ad-supported may be the beginning of the end for Firefox.

I used to be a hardcore Firefox user, ever since the 2.x days, and the past few versions, while having some nifty features, seems to break more than it fixes. I’ve flirted with Chrome on and off over the years; with my latest displeasure with FF, I’ve gone back to Chrome and like what I see. Mature plugin and apps support is important to me and Chrome has that now IMO.

66 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:45:40pm

HURR HURR U LIBTARD1!!!!!!

67 b.d.  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:45:58pm

theintercept.org

DERP WHRR DERP

The Intercept’s inaugural exposé, by my colleagues Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill, illuminates the deeply flawed interaction between omnipresent electronic surveillance and targeted drone killings — two of the three new, highly disruptive instruments of national power that President Obama has pursued with unanticipated enthusiasm.

firstlook.org

By Dan Froomkin

68 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:46:38pm

It’s still cold in my part of the world.

do you think the NSA knows?

69 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:47:09pm

re: #66 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURR U LIBTARD1!!!!!!

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Still living that deluded fantasy that Mitt gave them, I see. It’s sad because Mitt Romney was insulting them too as much as he was he was Obama’s voters.

70 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:48:45pm
71 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:48:47pm

re: #40 dog philosopher

i used to think the future would be a technological paradise, but apparently it will just be plastered with ads

You don’t read science fiction?

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:49:17pm

I mean wingers don’t like paying for shit they don’t like. Woopie fucking do. Welcome to what every taxpayer has experienced since the history of taxes.

73 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:49:35pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

They need to photoshop the flag bearer’s elbow from out from the back of Michelle’s head/back.

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:50:28pm

I’d pay 10 bucks for this
Youtube Video

75 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:50:59pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

He’s very short. I miss Sarkozy.

76 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:51:05pm

Someone’s Been Sending GOP Lawmakers A Bizarre Threat Over The Debt Ceiling

A group of House Republicans has received a mysterious threat in recent weeks: an anonymous email that promises political retribution for those who for vote yes to a debt-limit increase — sent to their closely guarded personal email addresses.

Because of the near-secret nature of lawmakers’ internal email addresses, the emails have raised more than a few eyebrows — and the possibility that one of their own was behind, or at least assisting in the attacks.

[…]

77 Jack Burton  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:51:08pm

re: #59 Pie-onist Overlord

Didn’t President Bush bail out the auto makers, not Obama?

Fucking Facts, How do they work?

78 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:51:13pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I mean wingers don’t like paying for shit they don’t like. Woopie fucking do. Welcome to what every taxpayer has experienced since the history of taxes.

Peace and security cost money. We Pay other countries and we pay ourselves. Personally, I think it’s cheaper to provide for people’s basic needs than to have a police state or clean-up after revolution.

79 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:51:40pm

re: #26 RadicalModerate

Why am I not at all surprised by this?

Ted Cruz Threatens To Filibuster Clean Debt Limit Hike

That sound you hear is Harry Reid sharpening his knives. No way he lets Ted Cruz actually filibuster anything, and he doesn’t give Ted another 21 hours to showboat either.

80 dog philosopher  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:52:22pm

re: #71 FemNaziBitch

You don’t read science fiction?

i remember that robert sheckley used to write sci fi in this vein…

81 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:52:59pm

re: #78 FemNaziBitch

Peace and security cost money. We Pay other countries and we pay ourselves. Personally, I think it’s cheaper to provide for people’s basic needs than to have a police state or clean-up after revolution.

I do too. What I love and I was saying this earlier is how wingnuts don’t trust the government to provide health care and handle education but they want the government handling things like wars and the mass deportations many of them want in regards to immigration.

82 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:53:24pm

re: #80 dog philosopher

i remember that robert sheckley used to write sci fi in this vein…

Oh geez, I thought advertising drones are the standard word fill.

83 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:54:28pm

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

They need to photoshop the flag bearer’s elbow from out from the back of Michelle’s head/back.

Try this one:


Or


or

84 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:54:34pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I do too. What I love and I was saying this earlier is how wingnuts don’t trust the government to provide health care and handle education but they want the government handling things like wars and the mass deportations many of them want in regards to immigration.

Those that say they are the masters of economics don’t see the obvious? No, they are just trying to bend economics to fit their morality. The greedy have been trying to justify slavery for centuries.

It’s not cheaper.

85 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:54:54pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

Try this one:

[Embedded content]

much better

86 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:58:10pm

The fact of the matter is our debate is and has never really been about government involvement or non-government involvement in the economy. IT’s about where we want the government involved. Conservatives delude themselves into believing that they favor small and limited government but when you look at the size of the government during conservative Republican administrations, the government does not shrink. And that’s not even getting at the Religious Right who want the government actively involved in things like abortion, contraception, sex between consenting adults, etc.

87 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:58:18pm

re: #79 Lidane

That sound you hear is Harry Reid sharpening his knives. No way he lets Ted Cruz actually filibuster anything, and he doesn’t give Ted another 21 hours to showboat either.

Hell, I think Harry should let him do it. But only on the understanding that this filibuster will be a talking one, which means that Ted has to keep talking to keep the filibuster going. Considering the House wanted all this business ended before tomorrow due to the oncoming winter storm, I wonder how many of his colleagues would like to spend the night in the Senate so that this prick can have his little tantrum.

88 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:58:38pm

re: #70 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

The lady who wrote the blog Mrs. O has retired!

I went to find out about the dress. As usual. Damn.

89 Pie-onist Overlord  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 4:59:38pm

Wingnuts are still freaking the fuck out over the picture of Bo & Sunny.

90 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:00:15pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I do too. What I love and I was saying this earlier is how wingnuts don’t trust the government to provide health care and handle education but they want the government handling things like wars and the mass deportations many of them want in regards to immigration.

Because RWNJs just loves them some use of force against Scary Brown People; the more force used against them, the better.

91 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:00:23pm

re: #64 Pie-onist Overlord

HURR HURRR!!!!!!

[Embedded content]

They’re already having to do that in NC. It’s a myth that “able bodied” people are sitting on their asses and collecting huge checks. In NC, the program is called TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) under the Work First Program. They say they will help families with income up to 200% of the poverty level, but that’s just so much BS. There is such a need and every single benefit, from day care to housing help to food stamps is counted, that very few actually collect much cash at all. You are expected to either be working, or looking for work, or in training to even be eligible. Every decision you make is based upon their approval and you have to be highly motivated to step off their bus.

The entire idea is to force people off the dole ASAP even if programs aren’t completed. It’s just a big old ball of mess. ncdhhs.gov

92 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:00:41pm

re: #89 Pie-onist Overlord

Wingnuts are still freaking the fuck out over the picture of Bo & Sunny.

[Embedded content]

Yeah when you have anti-Obama rage, you even flip your shit at pictures of his dogs. Even the biggest people I knew who had BDS loved Barney.

93 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:00:56pm
94 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:01:32pm

re: #88 Stanley Sea

The lady who wrote the blog Mrs. O has retired!

I went to find out about the dress. As usual. Damn.

She looks like a queen.

95 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:01:34pm

re: #90 TedStriker

Because RWNJs just loves them some use of force against Scary Brown People; the more force used against them, the better.

Exactly. The RWNJs need a scapegoat and it’s always been that way whether it was Irish/Catholic immigrants in the lead up to the Civil War or Gays in the present.

96 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:01:46pm

re: #43 b.d.

CNN.com is back now!!!

Now we can focus on the breaking real globe shaping news again:

cnn.com

That’s in the NYT Science section today, and it’s an interesting read:

nytimes.com

As is this, on climate change and human perception, which explains a lot of Derp:

nytimes.com

97 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:01:49pm

re: #93 Lidane

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And there’s Rigell in the “nays.” Well, so much whatever little bit of goodwill he’d earned with me.

98 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:03:05pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

And there’s Rigell in the “nays.” Well, so much whatever little bit of goodwill he’d earned with me.

Frank Wolf was in the yays- doesn’t surprise me. Too bad about Rigell. With an overwhelming majority of R’s in our state delegation, it would be nice to have at least one decent R.

99 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:03:19pm

re: #61 Belafon

Gotta love his twitter sig: Take the country back to redo the Civil War.

Not to mention that every one of the things he is trying to pin to Obama, with the exception of the auto industry bailout - which was actually started under the Bush administration - are items specifically advocated by the Teahadist wingnuts.

Religious Intolerance - which side do Islamophobia, Creationism, and Christian Identity come from again?

Attacking Foreign Lands - Winding down two undeclared wars that the Bush Administration counts as an attack? In fact, Obama has steadfastly pushed against putting American troops in any foreign conflict.

Striving for a one-party system - Attempts to repeal the Voting Rights Act, rampant gerrymandering, voter intimidation, “stealth” candidates, and countless other acts of disenfranchisement weren’t done by Obama and Democrats.

Nationalizing Energy Programs - The Koch Brothers, Exxon/Mobil, Philips Petroleum, and Valero have all been taken over by the federal government. Oh wait. They were just given another 10 billion dollars in tax breaks. My mistake.

Entitlements - the only “entitlements” that people have gotten under Obama are the Affordable Care Act (which is turning into a bigger boon for insurance industries than anyone else) and extension of unemployment insurance.

100 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:03:40pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

The fact of the matter is our debate is and has never really been about government involvement or non-government involvement in the economy. IT’s about where we want the government involved. Conservatives delude themselves into believing that they favor small and limited government but when you look at the size of the government during conservative Republican administrations, the government does not shrink. And that’s not even getting at the Religious Right who want the government actively involved in things like abortion, contraception, sex between consenting adults, etc.

The next time you hear a wingnut tell you about how Reagan “grew” the economy, laugh in their face before pointing out that what grew was the size of the government, at a rate and to a size that none of his predecessors has managed to match. The man tripled the deficit before he left office and left Bush Sr leveling with the nation that the only way they could pass off the deficits his boss had left were to raise taxes and cut defense spending.

101 Justanotherhuman  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:03:52pm

re: #75 Killgore Trout

He’s very short. I miss Sarkozy.

What the hell is wrong with short people? Grrrrrrr.

102 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:04:06pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Yeah when you have anti-Obama rage, you even flip your shit at pictures of his dogs. Even the biggest people I knew who had BDS loved Barney.

They are conservatives, and are therefore incapable of learning new tricks. Attacks on the white house dog go back to at least FDR:

These Republican leaders have not been content with attacks on me, or my wife, or on my sons. No, not content with that, they now include my little dog, Fala. Well, of course, I don’t resent attacks, and my family don’t resent attacks, but Fala does resent them. You know, Fala is Scotch, and being a Scottie, as soon as he learned that the Republican fiction writers in Congress and out had concocted a story that I’d left him behind on an Aleutian island and had sent a destroyer back to find him — at a cost to the taxpayers of two or three, or eight or twenty million dollars — his Scotch soul was furious. He has not been the same dog since. I am accustomed to hearing malicious falsehoods about myself … But I think I have a right to resent, to object, to libelous statements about my dog!

103 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:04:43pm
104 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:05:03pm

re: #99 RadicalModerate

Another supernova of projection from the right wing nut jobs.

105 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:05:22pm

re: #99 RadicalModerate

Not to mention that every one of the things he is trying to pin to Obama, with the exception of the auto industry bailout - which was actually started under the Bush administration - are items specifically advocated by the Teahadist wingnuts.

Religious Intolerance - which side do Islamophobia, Creationism, and Christian Identity come from again?

Attacking Foreign Lands - Winding down two undeclared wars that the Bush Administration counts as an attack? In fact, Obama has steadfastly pushed against putting American troops in any foreign conflict.

Striving for a one-party system - Attempts to repeal the Voting Rights Act, rampant gerrymandering, voter intimidation, “stealth” candidates, and countless other acts of disenfranchisement weren’t done by Obama and Democrats.

Nationalizing Energy Programs - The Koch Brothers, Exxon/Mobil, Philips Petroleum, and Valero have all been taken over by the federal government. Oh wait. They were just given another 10 billion dollars in tax breaks. My mistake.

Entitlements - the only “entitlements” that people have gotten under Obama are the Affordable Care Act (which is turning into a bigger boon for insurance industries than anyone else) and extension of unemployment insurance.

Those info things are so stupid. Asshole totally ignores what makes Hitler well Hitler is the blood of millions of people on his hands. But yeah a lot of those as you say are actual R policies. It’s a load of shit by another wingnut asshole who wants to cheapen the horrors of Nazi Germany by likening his annoyance that Barack Obama is president to Nazi Germany.

106 Lidane  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:05:42pm

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

What the hell is wrong with short people? Grrrrrrr.

Youtube Video

107 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:05:53pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Frank Wolf was in the yays- doesn’t surprise me. Too bad about Rigell. With an overwhelming majority of R’s in our state delegation, it would be nice to have at least one decent R.

Rigell was always walking a thin line with me. He showed some sanity the last go around with the shutdown, but that seemed less to be about principles and more about just not wanting to deal with the political fallout.

I’ve been trying to find out who’s opposing him this go-around, as last I’d heard the DNC’s choice was a retired 3rd generation Navy commander and she’s apparently pretty popular in the district. Not sure if she’s still gunning for the seat, but if so, she’s got my vote.

108 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:06:28pm

re: #102 EPR-radar

They are conservatives, and are therefore incapable of learning new tricks. Attacks on the white house dog go back to at least FDR:

I think that’s my favorite FDR moment. He handled that like a pro and the critics looked like jackasses.

109 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:06:55pm

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

What the hell is wrong with short people? Grrrrrrr.

Those are unrelated statements. Dude is short. I miss Sarkozy because he and Obama seemed to really like each other and the pic of them together always looked like mischief was about to break out.

110 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:08:01pm

*stumbles in wild-eyed, hijab in disarray*

&^%##@#@#! Someone please just effing SHOOT ME RIGHT NOW. Gah!

I’ve been having issues for 2 weeks with a database that was driving me crazy because some records wouldn’t show up on the front end when I KNEW they existed because I could see them on the back end.

Double- and triple-chekced my PHP, db structure, queries. NOTHING—it was all correct, but the records still wouldn’t show up. I knew the db name & usernames were correct otherwise I wouldn’t even be able to connect, so W? T? F?

I finally decide to go to check the include that holds the info for the db connection, because why not? Nothing else is working. I open it. I see the name of the db & username… time slows down… stops… they’re the old names, which are exactly the same as the new names except for the first part. For example:

Old db: fubar07_foo123
New db: fubar_foo123

Old uname: fubar07_admin
New uname: fubar_admin

I realize that the old database still exists, so of course the credentials are working and the records form the new db won’t show—why should they when it’s not querying the new db?? I start *blinking*… smoke starts coming out of my ears… my eyes bulge out out… the vein in my forehead starts pounding… I feel like I’m gonna go all ‘splodey-headed at the realization that I missed something so freaking basic and it’s been confounding me for weeks… so I run over here in the hopes that… someone will just… shoot me and put me out of my misery…

*collapses on floor in hysterical, sobbing, heap*

111 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:08:37pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Rigell was always walking a thin line with me. He showed some sanity the last go around with the shutdown, but that seemed less to be about principles and more about just not wanting to deal with the political fallout.

I’ve been trying to find out who’s opposing him this go-around, as last I’d heard the DNC’s choice was a retired 3rd generation Navy commander and she’s apparently pretty popular in the district. Not sure if she’s still gunning for the seat, but if so, she’s got my vote.

I think she’d make it a race with your district’s Navy population. No idea who the Dem is going to be here in Wolf’s or even who will suceed him. I had hopes that they would be someone fairly sane after Dick “Huh marital rape doesn’t happen” Black backed out but Bob “Your Downs Syndrome baby is your fault because abortion” Marshall ended up taking his place. Don’t know much about Barbara Comstock who I assume is who the establishment wants. IBut yeah Wolf always walks a thin line with me. He can talk a good game about human rights abroad but he votes way too socially conservative for this district.

112 jvic  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:09:24pm

re: #71 FemNaziBitch

You don’t read science fiction?

Word. The fraction of today’s sf that is dystopian and/or post-apolcalyptic is not reassuring.

Only one straw in the wind, but a straw that’s moving in a bad direction.

113 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:09:56pm

re: #101 Justanotherhuman

What the hell is wrong with short people? Grrrrrrr.

When a person is described as short, I assume it is a diplomatic way of saying they have a Napoleon Complex.

114 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:12:05pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

Not only that. You’ve been holding out on me. There’s a whole twitter account just for tweeting bunnies, you’re the only one I know who follows it, and you DIDN”T TELL ME!


Y indeed!

/

115 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:12:22pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

{{{CL}}}

116 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:16:05pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Not only that. You’ve been holding out on me. There’s a whole twitter account just for tweeting bunnies, you’re the only one I know who follows it, and you DIDN”T TELL ME!

[Embedded content]


Y indeed!

/

Oh yeah, the Japanese one. Found that a month or two ago. I keep a public list called Negativity Antidotes. It comes in handy when I need some nice tweets to counteract all the other stuff.

re: #115 wrenchwench

{{{CL}}}

Thanks. ;)

117 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:16:47pm

re: #112 jvic

Word. The fraction of today’s sf that is dystopian and/or post-apolcalyptic is not reassuring.

Only one straw in the wind, but a straw that’s moving in a bad direction.

Yes, it’s been a trend for sometime.

It’s not so much negative, but a reflection of real life.

The whole life is always brighter, bigger, faster, stronger in the American Future theme is over.

118 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:21:51pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

This also means one of the db tables I merged last month was not the correct one that the client has been adding updates to, so now I have to sort out wh… ^%$#$%#@!!… just shoot me…

It’s gonna be a L-O-N-G night. *sigh*

119 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:24:08pm

re: #99 RadicalModerate

Not to mention that every one of the things he is trying to pin to Obama, with the exception of the auto industry bailout - which was actually started under the Bush administration - are items specifically advocated by the Teahadist wingnuts.

Religious Intolerance - which side do Islamophobia, Creationism, and Christian Identity come from again?

Attacking Foreign Lands - Winding down two undeclared wars that the Bush Administration counts as an attack? In fact, Obama has steadfastly pushed against putting American troops in any foreign conflict.

Striving for a one-party system - Attempts to repeal the Voting Rights Act, rampant gerrymandering, voter intimidation, “stealth” candidates, and countless other acts of disenfranchisement weren’t done by Obama and Democrats.

Nationalizing Energy Programs - The Koch Brothers, Exxon/Mobil, Philips Petroleum, and Valero have all been taken over by the federal government. Oh wait. They were just given another 10 billion dollars in tax breaks. My mistake.

Entitlements - the only “entitlements” that people have gotten under Obama are the Affordable Care Act (which is turning into a bigger boon for insurance industries than anyone else) and extension of unemployment insurance.

Bravo. Excellent, on point take down.

120 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:28:27pm

re: #116 CuriousLurker

OK, public list, you weren’t really holding out. Accusation withdrawn. Cup of coffee offered for the long night.

I’ve never subscribed to a list before!

121 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:45:03pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

OK, public list, you weren’t really holding out. Accusation withdrawn. Cup of coffee offered for the long night.

[Embedded image]

I’ve never subscribed to a list before!

Oooooh, coffee with a froth bunny. I feel much better now. Thanks!

122 jvic  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 5:49:14pm

re: #110 CuriousLurker

re: #118 CuriousLurker

This is why you get the big bucks, CL.

ducks

123 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:06:06pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

This also means one of the db tables I merged last month was not the correct one that the client has been adding updates to, so now I have to sort out wh… ^%$#$%#@!!… just shoot me…

It’s gonna be a L-O-N-G night. *sigh*

Oh come on. You know you live for this.

/

124 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 6:31:11pm

By the way - even though I think this story does point out some very real malfeasance, I have to say I was put off by Wired’s egregiously anti-Obama headline.

125 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 11, 2014 7:18:19pm

re: #124 Charles Johnson

Me too. Needlessly diminishes the real point. And… I neglected to make the change in the link text.

126 No Country For Old Haters  Wed, Feb 12, 2014 5:17:07am

re: #124 Charles Johnson

By the way - even though I think this story does point out some very real malfeasance, I have to say I was put off by Wired’s egregiously anti-Obama headline.

Wired has been a bit nuts for a couple of years now. There’s still value there, but they tend to get hysterical over government matters, and have been hyping Bitcoin in a big way.


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