I’ve uploaded a piece about this on my Potholer54 Facebook page. Basically, I think it’s a mistake to share a public platform like this with Creationists. Unless they can be questioned directly, it is simply a forum to make equal speeches in equal time. And that gives Creationism legitimacy. You have to be very familiar with Creationist arguments to be able to anticipate and ambush them.
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CriticalDragon1177 Sat, Feb 15, 2014 8:46:05am |
Randall Gross
Ken Ham epically self PWN’s himself, proving creationism is a joke, yet again!
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Skip Intro Sat, Feb 15, 2014 8:57:27am |
Just in case anyone still thinks Meet The Press is a news program,
Plus - only on #MTP: Debating Climate change w/ Bill Nye @TheScienceGuy and Vice Chair of Energy & Commerce Cmte @MarshaBlackburn
— David Gregory (@davidgregory) February 14, 2014
Bill Nye, who isn’t a climate scientist “debating” a Gish Galloping climate change denier. Looks like Nye has found a new career in being the designated sucker in the phony tv debate business.
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lawhawk Sat, Feb 15, 2014 10:10:35am |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Star Ledger ran an editorial on its site from Paul Mulshine in which he’s complaining about how the NYT ran a story about how the Winter Olympics might become ever more difficult to host because of lack of snow. A story that then came out during the massive snow this past week.
He uses that snowstorm as proof that global warming isn’t true, and to prove its point, he pulls out a physicist from Princeton to claim that the climate folks got it wrong.
That’s right. Instead of going to, you know, climatologists who study all facets of the climate, his “proof” is a physicist.
Never mind the weather does not equal climate, or that local weather conditions don’t override temperatures across the planet (where the record cold in spots in the US can be more than offset by record heat in say Australia, or seriously warm places like Sochi (where temps are running 8-10 above their normally warm weather).
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 15, 2014 10:12:35am |
I’m torn, actually.
On the one hand yes, it’s giving time to the galloping gish deniers, and it’s hard to play whackamole.
On the other hand there are a fair number of people who think they agree with the denialists but haven’t really seen the way ‘their’ side argues. Those come off as sleazy salesmen. Especially when faced with someone who speaks well and has credibility.
No, Nye isn’t an expert. But FSM help us his celebrity status as a ‘real’ science celebrity combined with his stage presence matters to a lot of undecideds. Especially when it stands in stark and immediate contrast to the stream of noise.
In the end, then, I think it’s a good thing. Not clearly and overwhelmingly so as it does give the platform to the other side, but a good thing nonetheless.
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darthstar Sat, Feb 15, 2014 10:48:04am |
And now for something completely different.
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darthstar Sat, Feb 15, 2014 10:53:34am |
Rethink your drink
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 10:56:26am |
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darthstar Sat, Feb 15, 2014 10:56:56am |
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 15, 2014 10:59:53am |
Welcome to Sunnylands, Pres Obama's weekend golf retreat pic.twitter.com/XoGfXlz6cI— Steve Holland (@steveholland1) February 15, 2014
So, no water hazards, I guess.
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Eventual Carrion Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:02:17am |
re: #10 wrenchwench
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So, no water hazards, I guess.
Yeah, but the roughs look …. rough.
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Political Atheist Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:06:42am |
re: #10 wrenchwench
Pretty soon everybodies front yard in SoCal is going to look a lot like that.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:07:25am |
Just watched Venus and Serena on Showtime. Awesome.
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Kragar Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:09:04am |
re: #1 CriticalDragon1177
Randall Gross
Ken Ham epically self PWN’s himself, proving creationism is a joke, yet again!
Ham proves the whole concept of Intelligent Design depends on scientists trying to find evidence that proves the Bible was right all along instead of looking at the data and trying to figure out what it means.
“Beware of the person of one book.”
- Thomas Aquinas
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Political Atheist Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:11:48am |
re: #13 Stanley Sea
Just watched Venus and Serena on Showtime. Awesome.
See any House Of Cards yet? I took in the first 3 episodes and “political thriller” is an understatement.
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allegro Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:13:33am |
re: #16 Political Atheist
See any House Of Cards yet? I took in the first 3 episodes and “political thriller” is an understatement.
I’m watching it now and just about jumped off the sofa when Spacey… did something horrific that I won’t spoil by telling. But YIKES!
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:15:15am |
re: #16 Political Atheist
See any House Of Cards yet? I took in the first 3 episodes and “political thriller” is an understatement.
Not yet. It’s cued up and ready to go. I’m just hesitant to dedicate the time!
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:15:30am |
New wingnut outrage brewing: the film “Noah” is a liberal plot to brainwash us with pro-environment messages. #CantMakeThisUp— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) February 15, 2014
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Political Atheist Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:21:07am |
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Ming Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:21:25am |
“Basically, I think it’s a mistake to share a public platform like this with Creationists. Unless they can be questioned directly, it is simply a forum to make equal speeches in equal time. And that gives Creationism legitimacy.”
I agree completely.
A related problem with a “debate” like creationism / evolution, or astrology / astronomy, is that there’s a lie that permeates the entire affair. The lie is: “Here we are searching for truth, open to new ideas, working together to improve our knowledge.”
I’m basically saying the same thing that you are, but I think it’s this particular lie that lends legitimacy to creationism. The first step is to remove the lie - i.e., don’t hold a “debate”! The point is that changing the rules, e.g. allowing direct questions, does no good, because the whole thing is based on a lie.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:23:08am |
The jury needs to hurry up. CNN can't wait forever to book Michael Dunn for an interview. #DunnTrial
— William K. Wolfrum (@Wolfrum) February 15, 2014
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GlutenFreeJesus Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:23:14am |
No need to “ambush” them. Just factualize them into irrelevancy.
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darthstar Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:24:29am |
Lets Be HONEST: Executive order By Presidents @cspanwj What's the major difference that makes this any different.?? pic.twitter.com/MfBX2TXwVm— Maverick(TM) (@spooney35) February 15, 2014
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:24:42am |
Oliver Stone tells students from S. America who ask why he supported Chavez that the opposition party in Venezuela are “sore losers.” #ISFLC— Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) February 15, 2014
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Skip Intro Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:25:11am |
re: #17 allegro
I’m watching it now and just about jumped off the sofa when Spacey… did something horrific that I won’t spoil by telling. But YIKES!
I agree, but how come none of the cameras managed to catch him moving into the shadows before he did what he did? Why didn’t they pick him up leaving?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:25:32am |
At libertarian conference, Oliver Stone laments that the US media didn't write enough positive articles about Hugo Chavez. #ISFLC— Chris Moody (@Chris_Moody) February 15, 2014
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Skip Intro Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:26:32am |
re: #19 Charles Johnson
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I understand they may portray Noah getting drunk. The bible humpers who have never read the bible aren’t going to like that one bit.
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allegro Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:29:49am |
re: #21 Ming
“Basically, I think it’s a mistake to share a public platform like this with Creationists. Unless they can be questioned directly, it is simply a forum to make equal speeches in equal time. And that gives Creationism legitimacy.”
I agree completely.
A related problem with a “debate” like creationism / evolution, or astrology / astronomy, is that there’s a lie that permeates the entire affair. The lie is: “Here we are searching for truth, open to new ideas, working together to improve our knowledge.”
I’m basically saying the same thing that you are, but I think it’s this particular lie that lends legitimacy to creationism. The first step is to remove the lie - i.e., don’t hold a “debate”!
Considering the bias bubbles so many occupy these days I think these “debates” could possibly expose some to actual facts that may get some thinking more critically. Likely wishful thinking on my part but I honestly don’t see the harm in trying. It isn’t like not doing it will shut any assholes up.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:30:30am |
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Political Atheist Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:32:32am |
re: #28 Skip Intro
I understand they may portray Noah getting drunk. The bible humpers who have never read the bible aren’t going to like that one bit.
Hang on to your seat, get extra popcorn. Hollywood has rediscovered the Bible. Five films I think. Ugh.
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allegro Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:32:57am |
re: #26 Skip Intro
I agree, but how come none of the cameras managed to catch him moving into the shadows before he did what he did? Why didn’t they pick him up leaving?
Perhaps they did. I only just finished watching the first episode. Who knows what will come out later?
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Lidane Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:35:23am |
re: #27 Charles Johnson
When you're fan of an autocrat like Chavez, a democratic president who abides by the rule of law will look weak by comparison, I guess.— Danielle Candy Saga (@DCPlod) February 15, 2014
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GeneJockey Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:35:36am |
re: #4 kirkspencer
I’m torn, actually.
On the one hand yes, it’s giving time to the galloping gish deniers, and it’s hard to play whackamole.
On the other hand there are a fair number of people who think they agree with the denialists but haven’t really seen the way ‘their’ side argues. Those come off as sleazy salesmen. Especially when faced with someone who speaks well and has credibility.
No, Nye isn’t an expert. But FSM help us his celebrity status as a ‘real’ science celebrity combined with his stage presence matters to a lot of undecideds. Especially when it stands in stark and immediate contrast to the stream of noise.
In the end, then, I think it’s a good thing. Not clearly and overwhelmingly so as it does give the platform to the other side, but a good thing nonetheless.
I’m also torn, but I’d observe that in a country where most people believe in some form of Creationism, Creationists already HAVE legitimacy. Climate Change denialists have even more legitimacy.
The problem I have is that debate is not how Science is done, it’s how Politics is done. It has less to do with what’s really true and more to do with showmanship and fooling the rubes convincing the audience. It reinforces the Authoritarian view that you disprove a scientific hypothesis by discrediting an authority.
The question is whether it’s better to stand on principle and refuse to debate, or accept that this is how things are and try to win under those rules. We have the advantage of being right.
WRT not being an expert, it’s true Nye is not an expert in either Evolution or Climate Science. What he IS an expert at is explaining Science to laymen. Experts get bogged down in detail, which is why the Gish Gallop works. Look at how Scarborough bested Krugman, despite being an ignorant blowhard up against a Nobel laureate who also has the advantage of being right.
In general, it’s better to not debate at all than to lose, but neither of those is as good as winning the debate.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:36:00am |
Great moments in journalism: MSNBC interviews Comcast CEO about how awesome things are going to be
Comcast CEO: Merger lets us compete better
msnbc.com
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:38:19am |
The @dailykos dispels the #NSA driven rumor that #Snowden abused access to a coworkers credentials to get data. http://t.co/iW4jKwdGAK— RestoreThe4thSF (@RestoreThe4thSF) February 15, 2014
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:40:08am |
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Ming Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:41:23am |
re: #30 allegro
Considering the bias bubbles so many occupy these days I think these “debates” could possibly expose some to actual facts that may get some thinking more critically. Likely wishful thinking on my part but I honestly don’t see the harm in trying. It isn’t like not doing it will shut any assholes up.
You make a good point. Such “debates” can, and probably often do, give some actual facts the light of day.
I’m obviously nit-picking on a very subtle distinction, but I find it interesting that if, for example, an evolutionist publishes a book, or sets up a good web site, or runs a pro-evolution advertisement, this can also expose some actual facts, and at the same time (which is what I find interesting) there is no lie.
So there’s a clean, refreshing, even enjoyable honesty with, e.g. a pro-evolution ad, but NOT with a “debate” between two people who really aren’t debating.
I must say I agree with you: a “debate” is probably better than nothing. This contradicts my earlier comment, but I think you’re right.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:43:37am |
re: #2 Skip Intro
Just in case anyone still thinks Meet The Press is a news program,
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Bill Nye, who isn’t a climate scientist “debating” a Gish Galloping climate change denier. Looks like Nye has found a new career in being the designated sucker in the phony tv debate business.
Sorry, but ignoring the deniers/creationists in the first place is what got us in to this mess to begin with. We assumed it would go away, that wisdom would prevail. It hasn’t.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:49:06am |
The secret meetings with the Taliban must be over.
Twenty-five years after Soviet exit, Taliban says U.S. will meet same fate
Hamid Karzai could be seen nodding in agreement.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:49:30am |
re: #38 NJDhockeyfan
Heh. Waiting for outrage to erupt.
I took a quick look around.
MSNBC: Two segments on Comcast merger, both favorable
NBC: One segment, neutral/leaning favorable
CBS: 5 stories - mixed opinion
ABC: over 10 stories - mostly negative or neutral.
What’s interesting to me is that Comcast is not above using its own news assets to advance its own agenda. It doesn’t surprise me but I might be more less inclined to oppose the deal if I thought Comcast would leave corporate concerns out of editorial news content.
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Eventual Carrion Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:51:55am |
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:52:48am |
re: #41 NJDhockeyfan
The secret meetings with the Taliban must be over.
Twenty-five years after Soviet exit, Taliban says U.S. will meet same fate
Hamid Karzai could be seen nodding in agreement.
You thought this would’ve turned out differently?
That America could’ve done what no other power has done?
Gee, I knew this was the outcome a long time ago.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:53:13am |
re: #31 NJDhockeyfan
You think thats tough?
Check this one out.
They have a one-hole golf tournament in New Mexico.
[…]
The hazards? You name ‘em.
“I’ve seen lots of rattlesnakes on the mountain,” said 18-time champion Mike Stanley. “One year we saw a mountain lion. Another time, we had an El Paso reporter and photographer with us. One of the guys slipped and fell on a cactus.”
Because the terrain is so rugged, golfers are allowed to tee the ball on every shot. Many bring a swag of old carpet, an empty water bottle or a whisk broom that can be jammed handle-down into the ground.
It’s OK to move the ball laterally or away from the hole, but that only solves half the problem of hitting it.
“The hardest thing to do is get a stance built so you can stand and swing and not fall down,” Stanley said. “You pile up rocks. You dig with your feet. Anything to try to have some stable footing so you can swing and hit the ball.”
Stanley, a 49-year-old explosives researcher at New Mexico Tech, carried only water, bug spray, a first-aid kit and tweezers when he played from 1980 to 2004. As for the clubs, it was only a driver and 5-iron.
“It would be a little hard to carry a full bag up there,” he said.
These days, many participants use laser range-finders to measure distances.
The key to success, Stanley said, is positioning the three spotters that each golfer is allowed. There have been instances where balls have sailed into abandoned mine shafts or inaccessible canyons.
“You’ve got to hit the ball where they can find it,” he said.
[…]
Read more: golf.com
And you should read about the guy it’s named for.
Allegedly, the cowboys fired more than 4,000 shots into the house, until the adobe building was full of holes. Incredibly, not one of the bullets struck Baca.
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lawhawk Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:53:50am |
Once again, Snowden documents show not that the NSA was spying on Americans, but other intel agencies were.
In the latest outrageous outrage, the Aussies were spying on Indonesian trade talks, where Indonesia was being represented by a US law firm.
How exactly am I supposed to be outraged about that? Everyone spies. Even on trade talks involving US law firms. The NSA wasn’t conducting the spying, and it doesn’t appear that they took the intel that the Aussies were offering.
In other words, nothingburger. Grade A nothingburger.
But because it was a US law firm and someone was spying, its newsy? Oh wait, it was in the Snowden docs - records that he stole.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:53:58am |
Crocodiles can climb trees: researchers
Ok, fuck that.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:54:19am |
re: #43 Eventual Carrion
Easy to compete in a race of one.
“The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies and chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth and see those dear to them bathed in tears, to ride their horses and clasp to your bosom their wives and daughters.”
- Genghis Khan
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:55:20am |
re: #36 Killgore Trout
That’s what happens when corporations like comcast own new organizations.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:55:41am |
re: #44 Varek Raith
You thought this would’ve turned out differently?
That America could’ve done what no other power has done?
Gee, I knew this was the outcome a long time ago.
Agreed. It’s been obvious how Hamid Karzai stands with our helping his country. I say we pack our bags and GTFO. Karzai can deal with the consequences.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:56:45am |
re: #50 NJDhockeyfan
Agreed. It’s been obvious how Hamid Karzai stands with our helping his country. I say we pack our bags and GTFO. Karzai can deal with the consequences.
Pretty much.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:57:34am |
re: #46 lawhawk
Once again, Snowden documents show not that the NSA was spying on Americans, but other intel agencies were.
In the latest outrageous outrage, the Aussies were spying on Indonesian trade talks, where Indonesia was being represented by a US law firm.
How exactly am I supposed to be outraged about that? Everyone spies. Even on trade talks involving US law firms. The NSA wasn’t conducting the spying, and it doesn’t appear that they took the intel that the Aussies were offering.
In other words, nothingburger. Grade A nothingburger.
But because it was a US law firm and someone was spying, its newsy? Oh wait, it was in the Snowden docs - records that he stole.
Notice that Laura Poitras is credited as co-author.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 11:59:32am |
Kids smooth. pic.twitter.com/RpbXTlE9r0
— jamie (@gnuman1979) February 15, 2014
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:00:22pm |
re: #46 lawhawk
Not to mention, how could it possibly be considered “whistleblowing” to reveal stuff like this? It has nothing at all to do with mass surveillance or illegality - they’re simply revealing intelligence operations because they can.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:01:59pm |
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A Mom Anon Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:04:09pm |
re: #53 Stanley Sea
Heh. My kid left me a note when he was about 6 ( I still have it) stating he was taking his stuffed animal wolf, his books and his pajamas and walking to Florida to see his Grandma and Pa because they would let him eat all the donuts he wanted. He got as far as the corner before he realized he had no idea how to get to Florida from our house. LOL. So he had to come back home, embarrassed. He then decided that he would get out the cookbook and figure out how to make his own donuts, thankyewverymuch. Thank god it never occurred to him to steal the car.
I love that kid.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:04:11pm |
re: #44 Varek Raith
You thought this would’ve turned out differently?
That America could’ve done what no other power has done?
Gee, I knew this was the outcome a long time ago.
Actually it could have been different but Bush The Lesser had to go waste time, money, resources & lives on his unnecessary war in Iraq and that made it impossible to win the appropriate war.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:04:49pm |
The Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis trials say to African-American males that they are on trial even when victims. Dead or Alive #DunnTrial
— Corey C. Briscoe (@ccbglobal) February 15, 2014
America: Where killing an unarmed black kid because you don't like their music is an act of self defense. #DunnTrial
— BWD (@theonlyadult) February 15, 2014
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:09:45pm |
re: #49 Varek Raith
That’s what happens when corporations like comcast own new organizations.
I’m trying to recall back in the late 80’s when GE bought NBC. I seem to recall some concern about NBC’s ability to report on news stories regarding GE and its subsidiaries. I don’t seem to recall it ever becoming a problem. Remember the Letterman show from that era? He made a whole gimmick out of goofing on GE products to test the waters. He did it for years without problem.
Today seems different. Minimal coverage from MBC and MSNBC and nobody seems to notice. Times have changed.
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lawhawk Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:10:23pm |
re: #54 Charles Johnson
Revealing operations.
Revealing methods.
Revealing relationships between intel agencies.
Once again, it’s an article with a whole lot of nothing that indicates government illegality. The only illegality and impropriety is what Snowden did in getting the documents and skipping the country.
These are people who consider all government eavesdropping to be illegal, even when its sanctioned by the very people and governments who conduct them. It’s a very dangerous worldview, and they’ve got themselves a bunch of documents and aren’t afraid to use them to inject as much mayhem and chaos into US policy (national security, foreign policy, government relations, etc.).
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:11:32pm |
Dave visits the GE Building
Youtube Video
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allegro Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:12:43pm |
re: #39 Ming
You make a good point. Such “debates” can, and probably often do, give some actual facts the light of day.
I’m obviously nit-picking on a very subtle distinction, but I find it interesting that if, for example, an evolutionist publishes a book, or sets up a good web site, or runs a pro-evolution advertisement, this can also expose some actual facts, and at the same time (which is what I find interesting) there is no lie.
So there’s a clean, refreshing, even enjoyable honesty with, e.g. a pro-evolution ad, but NOT with a “debate” between two people who really aren’t debating.
I must say I agree with you: a “debate” is probably better than nothing. This contradicts my earlier comment, but I think you’re right.
I certainly agree that your thoughts are the ideal. The problem lies in not only getting the horse to drink but getting him to venture towards the stream in the first place. Creationists/climate change deniers go to some serious lengths to avoid exposure to actual scientific facts - this we know. The only way I can see to get them to even watch is to give them hope that their biases will be confirmed by ‘their guy’ who will put the evil liberal elitist in his place once and for all. Let’s face it, THAT is all they want to see.
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BongCrodny Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:18:13pm |
re: #27 Charles Johnson
[Embedded content]
Stone sounds like all those whiny-ass right wingers who are bummed out because the lamestream media doesn’t tell the “truth” about Obama.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:19:05pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:25:15pm |
re: #64 Varek Raith
Noam Chomsky: Zombies are the new Indians and slaves in white America’s collective nightmare
Lolwhut.
Poor Dr. Chomsky hasn’t been keeping up with popular culture….
“one major theme in popular literature is that we’re about to face destruction from some terrible, awesome enemy, and at the last moment we’re saved by a superhero, or a super-weapon — or, in recent years, high school kids going to the hills to chase away the Russians.”
Red Dawn (at least the version with the Russians) is over 30 years old.
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Ryan King Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:30:26pm |
Todd Pinecones! Starnes.
“But that’s not exactly true,” he said. “What if you identify as a pine cone or a chicken or a weed whacker? Facebook doesn’t offer those options.”
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:30:28pm |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:34:12pm |
re: #67 Romantic Heretic
Compete with who?
He never really says. I think it’s just a broad rhetorical statement about free market capitalism or something.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:35:52pm |
re: #64 Varek Raith
Noam Chomsky: Zombies are the new Indians and slaves in white America’s collective nightmare
Lolwhut.
Are you getting the same ads on that page that I am? “Do you have these symptoms?” and “You may be infected”.
heh
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danarchy Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:37:14pm |
re: #67 Romantic Heretic
Compete with who?
The only real argument I see is it lets them negotiate better deals with the content providers. What the cable providers pay some of these content providers for channels that get less viewership than a decent podcast is ridiculous.
That said, The two largest cable providers merging still seems like a really bad idea, if they were eating up a couple of the smaller ones I don’t think I would have much of an issue. Of course they are practically all local monopolies already anyway. I find it amazing that the two largest providers could merge and have zero overlap in customer regions, but apparently that is the case.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:39:15pm |
The Luddites are at it again: Advances in genome science giving rise to new era of discrimination and racism in research
New forms of discrimination, known as neoracism, are taking hold in scientific research, spreading the belief that races exist and are different in terms of biology, behavior and culture, according to anthropologists who spoke at the annual American Association for the Advancement of Science conference in Chicago.
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Varek Raith Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:40:30pm |
re: #70 Killgore Trout
Are you getting the same ads on that page that I am? “Do you have these symptoms?” and “You may be infected”.
heh
I see soup ads.
Heh.
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ObserverArt Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:42:51pm |
Killgore…I am soooooooo outrageously outraged!!! You’ll just never know.
I cannot imagine an ex-Republican Congressman that has a show on MSNBC in his name being favorable to the Comcast buyout. And this occurred in spite of all those progressive scripts laying about that he is told to read from since MSNBC has a certain demo to feed.
However, I do understand you never watch MSNBC and really do not know anything about the cable station so it may be easy to say you didn’t know this could possibly happen.
Lately it looks as though your focus has changed and you are keeping a keen eye at everything MSNBC. So keep us informed.
Thanks! I’m looking forward to your next report.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:45:25pm |
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jaunte Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:49:04pm |
re: #67 Romantic Heretic
Compete with who?
What a coincidence. Comcast bill arrived today. Rising 6.3% due to “changes in business costs.” Anyone else?
— Gary Strauss (@gbstrauss) February 15, 2014
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:51:38pm |
From the desk of a former FCC Commissioner
I was expecting change for the better after the 2008 presidential election and the coming of a Democratic majority to the FCC. After all, Senator Barack Obama had opposed the pace of media-industry consolidation and had affirmed that public interest considerations should drive FCC decision-making. The senator’s letters to the FCC are an eye-opening matter of public record. To this day, two years after retiring from the FCC, I pull copies from my file drawer and shake my head at what might have been if performance had matched promise. In the very first year of the new administration, cable giant Comcast came knocking at the Commission door seeking approval to purchase majority control of the already huge and powerful NBC-Universal media complex. The proposal was daunting in both breadth and depth. The merged entity would include media and telecom; broadcast and broadband; distribution and content (the medium and the message); traditional and new media. I cast the lone Commission vote against this transaction, stating that it was “too much, too big, too powerful, too lacking in benefits for American consumers and citizens.” -
Read the whole thing
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:51:47pm |
re: #71 danarchy
The only real argument I see is it lets them negotiate better deals with the content providers. What the cable providers pay some of these content providers for channels that get less viewership than a decent podcast is ridiculous.
That said, The two largest cable providers merging still seems like a really bad idea, if they were eating up a couple of the smaller ones I don’t think I would have much of an issues. Of course they are practically all local monopolies already anyway. I find it amazing that the two largest providers could merge and have zero overlap in customer regions, but apparently that is the case.
I’m a little suspicious of the /prices are the networks’ fault/ position given the two largest cable companies are regional monopsonies. Make them a national monopsony with defacto monopoly service to the end users and I’m afraid that without severe oversight you’ll get the worst of all worlds.
Toss into the mix the hold the combined organization will have on internet services and, well, I’m not only against it i find myself wondering if it’s too late to break either of them up.
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Petero1818 Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:51:52pm |
re: #26 Skip Intro
I agree, but how come none of the cameras managed to catch him moving into the shadows before he did what he did? Why didn’t they pick him up leaving?
I am watching right now as I battle stomach flu. But that is the one thing wrong with this show in my mind. It was similar last season. Major bad deeds done out in the open in places that typically have cameras. Doesnt make sense. But epidode 2 and 3 of season 2 get back to basics and are great.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:53:10pm |
re: #72 Killgore Trout
The Luddites are at it again: Advances in genome science giving rise to new era of discrimination and racism in research
That headline was bad and your preface was worse.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:53:34pm |
re: #58 Stanley Sea
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Zimmerman followed Martin. Dunn approached Jordan. It seems to me that FL needs a “mind your damn business” law.��#DunnTrial #hln #onthecase
— Brian Joel (@brianjoel_3) February 15, 2014
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 12:55:08pm |
While still a commissioner, I went one day to visit the editorial page editor of a major newspaper. I had noticed an editorial chastising the excesses of big oil companies, and I urged the paper to run a similar critique about the excesses of big media. The response I got was a negative shake of the head and an explanation that the editor had complete freedom to cover any issue—except one. That issue was media ownership. -
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:01:44pm |
re: #81 wrenchwench
That headline was bad and your preface was worse.
And the article doesn’t actually include a link to a transcript, so it’s just a bunch of clipped quotes.
But doubtless the short, spammed-across-multiple-sites summary is an effective description of what was said. It’s not like science coverage doesn’t routinely carve out the details or something.
But hey, I’m sure the author who spent twenty years studying the biology of development of skin color in humans is just being a Luddite, and the whole thing can be dismissed offhand.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:06:16pm |
re: #45 wrenchwench
They have a one-hole golf tournament in New Mexico.
And you should read about the guy it’s named for.
Wow! What a great story about Elfego Baca!
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bratwurst Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:10:06pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
As I mentioned last night, The Chicago Tribune has already run an editorial in favor of the merger. Amazingly, they also state that they were in favor of the AT&T/T-Mobile merger despite the way T-Mobile has done nothing but innovate in that marketplace since that deal fell through.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:12:09pm |
Very glad I was taking a nap when this happened.
And live quite a bit away from Franklin County….
Oh Myyy. Be careful out in Kentucky. It's snowing cats' and dogs'… pic.twitter.com/ASzHsSSvRi
— George Takei (@GeorgeTakei) February 15, 2014
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Charles Johnson Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:13:47pm |
Free enterprise at work!
jesus fucking christ pic.twitter.com/bLb8Vs2nYp— ??????????? (@braket) February 15, 2014
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:14:10pm |
re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea
And the article doesn’t actually include a link to a transcript, so it’s just a bunch of clipped quotes.
But doubtless the short, spammed-across-multiple-sites summary is an effective description of what was said. It’s not like science coverage doesn’t routinely carve out the details or something.
But hey, I’m sure the author who spent twenty years studying the biology of development of skin color in humans is just being a Luddite, and the whole thing can be dismissed offhand.
Yes, that’s my point. Science reporting is terrible. Journalists often don’t understand the issues they’re reporting on and scaring people about the potential evils of genetics and technology are easy topics for click bait. Raw Story is a junk site for leftist outrageous outrages but they got the story from AFP which is generally a responsible outlet. Stoking public fear over science is easy and often irresponsible, I think we agree on that but you can continue fighting anyways.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:15:37pm |
Prepare to dissolve in a puddle of awwwwwwwwwww….
Little baby otter drinking from a bottle pic.twitter.com/JPyAEuY8Rp
— Animal Planet (@MeetAnimals) February 15, 2014
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:16:39pm |
re: #87 bratwurst
As I mentioned last night, The Chicago Tribune has already run an editorial in favor of the merger. Amazingly, they also state that they were in favor of the AT&T/T-Mobile merger despite the way T-Mobile has done nothing but innovate in that marketplace since that deal fell through.
I’ve noticed quite a few favorable editorials from major outlets, WSJ, Bloomberg, etc. Unfortunately most of the harshest criticism is coming from smaller outlets like New Yorker and CNet.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:19:05pm |
re: #81 wrenchwench
That headline was bad and your preface was worse.
Do you think he actually read beyond the headline that fit his prejudice?
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William of Orange Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:19:59pm |
Five instances where Foxnews gets their ass kicked by facts!
Guess what, Bill Nye is also inthere.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:20:21pm |
re: #89 Charles Johnson
‘Flappy Bird’ Game Deleted: Petition Begs White House To Revive App
A White House petition begs President Obama to bring back the addictive game.
Why does Obama hate Flappy Bird?
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:21:02pm |
re: #90 Killgore Trout
Yes, that’s my point. Science reporting is terrible. Journalists often don’t understand the issues they’re reporting on and scaring people about the potential evils of genetics and technology are easy topics for click bait. Raw Story is a junk site for leftist outrageous outrages but they got the story from AFP which is generally a responsible outlet. Stoking public fear over science is easy and often irresponsible, I think we agree on that but you can continue fighting anyways.
You might want to change the syntax on your orignal post, then. As is, it reads equally readily as the subjects of the linked article than the authors.
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A Mom Anon Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:22:35pm |
re: #93 William Barnett-Lewis
No. And now Raw Story is a “junk leftist site”. It’s a good thing I’m not rolling my eyes, they’d get stuck in the back of my head. Someone who doesn’t vote and “only skimmed the article” should maybe stick to reading Us Weekly or People.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:23:00pm |
re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea
You might want to change the syntax on your orignal post, then. As is, it reads equally readily as the subjects of the linked article than the authors.
Here’s my correction: Sorry you misinterpreted it.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:23:06pm |
And in Kansas…
Concealed carry ninja accidentally fires his gun at a bar, shooting himself & the patron next to him. #GunFAIL http://t.co/PDLJNRcXqA
— David Waldman (@KagroX) February 15, 2014
Sgt. Hunt said the man who had the gun has a concealed carry handgun (CCH) license and admitted to having several drinks while in possession of the firearm.
He also refused to cooperate with law enforcement, Hunt said. He was arrested for aggravated battery.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:28:32pm |
Obama: “The average worker who would get a raise if Congress acts is about 35 years old.” http://t.co/R3oVZ3zEdJ #RaiseTheWage
— The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 15, 2014
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:34:35pm |
Do you know what they would have called it if Jordan Davis drove up, shot & killed Michael Dunn, then went home, ordered pizza, slept?
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) February 15, 2014
They would have called it a DRIVE-BY.
— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) February 15, 2014
Read Shaun King’s timeline.
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:39:35pm |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
Here’s my correction: Sorry you misinterpreted it.
ok, pet peeve time.
“Sorry you misinterpreted it,” like “sorry you feel that way”, does not look like an apology. It’s a smirk.
The apology versions are “Sorry I wrote it in a way that you could misinterpret it” or “I’m sorry I made you feel that way.” In both cases “I am sorry for what I did.” Not what ‘you’ did.
I do not know if you meant the smirk. If not you have my sincere apologies for implying you did mean it. But far too often that phrasing is a smirk and it makes me angry. It’s the dudebro attitude, condensed.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:42:07pm |
re: #102 kirkspencer
ok, pet peeve time.
“Sorry you misinterpreted it,” like “sorry you feel that way”, does not look like an apology. It’s a smirk.
Very perceptive
/That’s sarcasm
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:43:36pm |
re: #64 Varek Raith
Noam Chomsky: Zombies are the new Indians and slaves in white America’s collective nightmare
Lolwhut.
Shrugs.
You can tell what a culture fears by the monsters that appear in its fiction.
Frankenstein’s monster is the first modern example. People were frightened by what science was discovering.
Mr. Hyde and Dracula were the next examples. Victorian England, and America, were terrified of sex. Hyde and Dracula were distinctly sexual monsters. As Stephen King put it in Danse Macabre when Lucy was describing how she felt when Dracula was feeding on her, “You could tell Lucy was coming her brains out.”
Nowadays, despite the endemic violence in America, we’re scared shitless of death. So all our monsters are killers; Jason, Freddy, Hannibal Lecter, Chucky, Saw; all killers. In the Final Destination movies Death itself became a monster.
So Chomsky saying that zombies representing ‘The Other’ come to kill and absorb us makes sense to me.
Just because he’s an asshole doesn’t make him wrong.
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:47:29pm |
re: #103 Killgore Trout
Very perceptive
/That’s sarcasm
No problem, I’ll just keep it in mind when reading your stuff.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:47:34pm |
We have a verdict on 4 of 5 counts. #DunnTrial
— T.J. Holmes (@tjholmes) February 15, 2014
4/5 counts. Judge says it's been “impossible” deadlocked on 1st degree murder. #dunn
— brian castellani (@castellani) February 15, 2014
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:48:03pm |
re: #98 Killgore Trout
Here’s my correction: Sorry you misinterpreted it.
…and you missed that it’s a reprint of an AFP article verbatim, so there’s no Raw Story input that altered the report from the “responsible outlet.”
…and you missed that because of the latter point, there’s no justification for all of your assertions about bias and scaremongering, since there’s no declared motive or editorial remarks by Raw Story,.
You’re basically that “I’m not saying it’s aliens, but it’s aliens” guy, but with liberal bias.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:48:23pm |
Judge preparing to give additional instructions. #DUNN TRIAL
— Sharing the Vision, (@SharingV) February 15, 2014
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:50:53pm |
re: #105 kirkspencer
No problem, I’ll just keep it in mind when reading your stuff.
Welcome to our world Kirk.
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A Mom Anon Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:52:35pm |
re: #108 Backwoods_Sleuth
I don’t get what the hell is so hard to get about this. Dunn shot into a car full of unarmed kids, never called the cops and fled the scene. If he was so scared of “gangstas” coming to find him, why didn’t he call the cops? He’s a lying sack of shit and on top of murder charges he should be charged with perjury. I know, it’s Floriduh.
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kirkspencer Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:53:02pm |
re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth
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deadlocked. Really.
And they think Texas is a whole ‘nother nation.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:53:11pm |
re: #110 A Mom Anon
I don’t get what the hell is so hard to get about this. Dunn shot into a car full of unarmed kids, never called the cops and fled the scene. If he was so scared of “gangstas” coming to find him, why didn’t he call the cops? He’s a lying sack of shit and on top of murder charges he should be charged with perjury. I know, it’s Floriduh.
My guess is there is ONE person on the jury holding out.
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TedStriker Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:53:22pm |
With Michael Sam’s coming out, all of the talk about how that affects his standing in this year’s NFL draft, and how his presence in a NFL locker room’s gonna give everyone the vapors, here’s something that should be a hell of a lot more troubling:
CNN: Ex-NFL star Sharper charged with rape in Calif.; 3 other states eyeing him
If Sharper was preying on women while he was working for the NFL Network, I hate to think what he was doing when he was still a player.
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The War TARDIS Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:53:59pm |
re: #111 kirkspencer
I say reduce Florida back to the status during reconstruction until they can figure out how to not be barbarians.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:56:36pm |
re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth
My guess is there is ONE person on the jury holding out.
The only question is holding out for conviction or acquittal?
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:57:40pm |
re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth
My guess is there is ONE person on the jury holding out.
My one experience on a jury was a six-person one, and one guy was holding out. Turns out he hadn’t heard a damn thing (deaf) and auto-sided with the cop who was off duty when he assaulted a kid. I was pissed, but too young and timid to do anything about it at the time. (Now that I’m old and bold, I’d probably just be frustrated that I can’t do anything.)
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:58:03pm |
Judge will now read jury the “Allen Charge” on Count 1, which basically makes them try one more time to come an agreement on Count 1.
— Michael Skolnik (@MichaelSkolnik) February 15, 2014
Before judge can declare mistrial on murder count of Jordan, jurors must tell each other weakest part of their own vote. #DunnTrial
— Michael Skolnik (@MichaelSkolnik) February 15, 2014
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 15, 2014 1:59:16pm |
Insiders saying based on the frustrated looks on the jurors faces that it appears 1-2 people on the jury REFUSE to convict Dunn of murder.— Shaun King (@ShaunKing) February 15, 2014
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:00:33pm |
re: #115 William Barnett-Lewis
The only question is holding out for conviction or acquittal?
Was my thought as well, I was thinking one holding out for acquittal.
But then I found a link to the jury profiles. As much as I hate making assumptions…
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:00:48pm |
re: #118 wrenchwench
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Sigh. I just don’t see how this case can be anything but murder. He shot the kid in cold blood because he didn’t like his music.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:01:04pm |
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A Mom Anon Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:01:09pm |
re: #114 The War TARDIS
No. I have family down there who worked hard to pay off their home so they could retire near the ocean. You don’t punish a whole state because you don’t like some of the people there. That’s what the GOP tries to do, all the time.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:01:44pm |
re: #110 A Mom Anon
I don’t get what the hell is so hard to get about this. Dunn shot into a car full of unarmed kids, never called the cops and fled the scene. If he was so scared of “gangstas” coming to find him, why didn’t he call the cops? He’s a lying sack of shit and on top of murder charges he should be charged with perjury. I know, it’s Floriduh.
I don’t get it either. He did not need to kill that kid.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:02:25pm |
re: #122 A Mom Anon
No. I have family down there who worked hard to pay off their home so they could retire near the ocean. You don’t punish a whole state because you don’t like some of the people there. That’s what the GOP tries to do, all the time.
Exactly. Violent agreement with this.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:02:45pm |
re: #123 HappyWarrior
I don’t get it either. He did not need to kill that kid.
Then run, order a pizza, walk the dog and go to bed. Then the cops come.
He was also drunk.
Such a bad man.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:04:41pm |
re: #125 Stanley Sea
Then run, order a pizza, walk the dog and go to bed. Then the cops come.
He was also drunk.
Such a bad man.
I really hope they sentence him to prison for the rest of his life. Bad enough already to me that Zimmerman got off. You shouldn’t be able to end people’s lives because of paranoia.
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:05:37pm |
I just realized the FBI investigated Michael Dunn 7 years ago for flying his plane too close to the space shuttle. http://t.co/8As2IrrPbE
— Keith Boykin (@keithboykin) February 15, 2014
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The War TARDIS Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:06:27pm |
re: #118 wrenchwench
I’m going to guess the 2 jurors are some of the good ole boys.
A good reason we need to jack-up the number of T51, T52, and T53 visas.
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Targetpractice Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:06:36pm |
re: #118 wrenchwench
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Considering the jury has a choice between 1st, 2nd, and manslaughter, it seems likely the holdouts are voting for acquittal.
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The War TARDIS Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:07:03pm |
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Backwoods_Sleuth Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:09:07pm |
my twitter feed says that CNN is breathlessly covering the Dunn trial development, but I really can’t gather the energy to clear snow off the satellite dish to watch.
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Targetpractice Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:09:30pm |
Thing is, the man while on the stand actually muttered aloud that he might have imagined seeing a shotgun. In other words even months later, he can’t be sure that he pumped 8 bullets into this SUV for a good reason. All he knows is he thinks he saw a shotgun, and so feels totally justified in killing another human being.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:13:11pm |
My favorite thing about the Dunn trial is when on the stand he related asking the victims, “Are you talking to me?”
He claimed on the stand that was an attempt at de-escalation, but it’s straight up Travis Bickle.
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danarchy Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:13:11pm |
re: #129 Targetpractice
Considering the jury has a choice between 1st, 2nd, and manslaughter, it seems likely the holdouts are voting for acquittal.
I don’t see how they could want acquittal when they voted to convict on the 3 attempted murder charges. My guess is they can’t agree on the degree. Seems odd they would deadlock on that though.
Correction: they came to a verdict on those charges, I guess we don’t know if it was guilty or not guilty yet.
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Stanley Sea Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:13:12pm |
re: #132 Targetpractice
Thing is, the man while on the stand actually muttered aloud that he might have imagined seeing a shotgun. In other words even months later, he can’t be sure that he pumped 8 bullets into this SUV for a good reason. All he knows is he >thinks he saw a shotgun, and so feels totally justified in killing another human being.
He didn’t even mention the shotgun to his girlfriend when they made their getaway. And ordered pizza. And walked the dog.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:15:12pm |
re: #135 Stanley Sea
He didn’t even mention the shotgun to his girlfriend when they made their getaway. And ordered pizza. And walked the dog.
Makes it seem to me as if that claim was an attempt to save skin. And walking the dog and getting pizza don’t seem the actions of a man who was in fear for his own life.
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Targetpractice Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:16:29pm |
re: #133 goddamnedfrank
My favorite thing about the Dunn trial is when on the stand he related asking the victims, “Are you talking to me?”
He claimed on the stand that was an attempt at de-escalation, but it’s straight up Travis Bickle.
“Yeah, I was trying to deescalate the situation by being as belligerent as fucking possible!”
This is why I laugh whenever somebody says more guns in a situation leads to less crime, because so many of these gun-related trials begin with an argument that turned into somebody getting shot.
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A Mom Anon Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:17:26pm |
re: #113 TedStriker
This isn’t a new problem that’s for damned sure. It starts in high schools and moves on from there. Athletes have always gotten a pass on shitty behavior and haven’t been held to the same academic standards as other students have been. I heard whispers about my high school’s football team in the ’70s, but then no one talked out loud about it and the victims didn’t dare breathe a word to anyone or there was hell to pay.
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HappyWarrior Sat, Feb 15, 2014 2:21:00pm |
re: #137 Targetpractice
“Yeah, I was trying to deescalate the situation by being as belligerent as fucking possible!”
This is why I laugh whenever somebody says more guns in a situation leads to less crime, because so many of these gun-related trials begin with an argument that turned into somebody getting shot.
Yes, this. We hear “Well more guns will make people more careful.” I am just not seeing that. We have this case where a man fired at an unarmed teenager because he didn’t like the sound of his music and then we got the retired police captain who shot a man whose texting he didn’t appreciate. It doesn’t help when the gun lobby does everything possible to downplay the fact that these are machines designed to end lives first and foremost. You can talk about target shooting, hunting animals, etc but a gun’s primary purpose is to end a life.
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wrenchwench Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:02:35am |
re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth
Wow! What a great story about Elfego Baca!
I have an Elfego Baca t-shirt. Got it here:
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wrenchwench Sun, Feb 16, 2014 11:12:27am |
re: #140 wrenchwench
I have an Elfego Baca t-shirt. Got it here:
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Wow, then I find this:
I had a similar experience, but it was when bicycling across Missouri.
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