Bad Craziness: How the Truth Is Made at Russia Today

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Rosie Gray’s article on what it’s really like to work for Kremlin propaganda outlet Russia Today is our must-read of the day; it’s every bit as bad as you thought: How the Truth Is Made at Russia Today.

The public shake-up and skewed coverage of Ukraine has pulled aside RT’s curtain, exposing the network’s propaganda apparatus, which relies on a number of Western reporters and producers. Former and current RT employees from both the Moscow headquarters and its D.C. bureau, which heads a channel called RT America, described to BuzzFeed an atmosphere of censorship and pressure, in which young journalists on their first or second job are lured by the promise of a relatively well-paying position covering news for an international network. Except for Bevins and Wahl, all spoke on the condition of anonymity — some because they didn’t want their name associated with the network or were afraid they would face repercussions in their current jobs.

Soon after joining the network, the current and former employees said, they realized they were not covering news, but producing Russian propaganda. Some employees go in clear-eyed, looking for the experience above all else. Others don’t realize what RT really wants until they’re already there. Still others are chosen for already having displayed views amenable to the Kremlin. Anti-American language is injected into TV scripts by editors, and stories that don’t toe the editorial line regularly get killed.

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229 comments
1 Single-handed sailor  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:23:40am

So, kinda like Fox News.

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:28:18am
3 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:28:44am
4 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:29:33am
5 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:30:25am
6 ericblair  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:31:30am

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

So, kinda like Fox News.

Why the “kinda”? The Kremlin pretty much xeroxed the Fox News machine: 24/7 carefully channeled outrage, hot newsreaders, lotsa cool colorful grafix, partial truth mixed with totally made up shit with no distinction between “reporting” and opinion.

7 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:31:47am

Journalism is quite besides the point at RT. If they break a story, that’s actually secondary to the fact that RT is designed to make Russia (and by extension, Putin), look good.

It’s a propaganda shop, and the more people recognize this, the better.

It’s even worse when tracking down news reports that directly affect Russia - as in the Ukraine crisis, but the propaganda is everywhere, in every kind of story, as are the stories that are killed because they don’t hew to the editorial line.

RT is a glimpse into what First Look is like once it’s up and running for a prolonged period of time, or a funhouse mirror look in on what Fox News does.

8 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:31:48am

Jonathan Chait:

The Pathetic Lives of Putin’s American Dupes

“…The demise of communism has left a void in the place where socialist fervor once animated the Soviet dupes. In the absence of any positive motivating force, Putin’s Russia, which has positioned itself as America’s main rival, has sponged up whatever motley collection of outsiders it can find. Russia is not the vessel for their ideological fantasies, but merely a placeholder for their accumulated discontent.”

9 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:31:58am

re: #4 jaunte

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This.

10 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:32:50am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

11 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:41:28am

LOLWUT

12 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:42:31am



Grrrrrrrrr

13 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:42:51am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

So RWNJ do get EBT cards then?

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:45:59am

re: #12 Dr. Matt

If you right click on the page and then click “Inspect Element,” then click the “Console” tab in the Inspector window, are there any errors listed as coming from a littlegreenfootballs.com address? If so, please tell me exactly what the error message says.

15 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:47:35am
16 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:47:39am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

If you right click on the page and then click “Inspect Element,” then click the “Console” tab in the Inspector window, are there any errors listed as coming from a littlegreenfootballs.com address? If so, please tell me exactly what the error message says.

HAHA pwn3d!

That’s just a bunch of Gifs of Teh Swirlie.

17 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:48:55am

re: #16 Pie-onist Overlord

I know, but he’s been mentioning this problem for a few days now.

18 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:49:58am

Mmmm mmmm …. toast[no y]


Quiznos files for Ch 11 bankruptcy protection.

19 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:53:02am

re: #18 lawhawk

Mmmm mmmm …. toast[no y]

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Quiznos files for Ch 11 bankruptcy protection.

As a now former employee of Quizno’s, this doesn’t surprise me in the least. Back ‘round ‘08 or so, during the height of their presence in these parts, there were 14 Quizno’s shops in VB. Now? One.

20 nines09  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:53:06am

RT a propaganda outlet? Well imagine that. Let me get my shocked faced. BRB.

21 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:54:35am

re: #19 Targetpractice

As a now former employee of Quizno’s, this doesn’t surprise me in the least. Back ‘round ‘08 or so, during the height of their presence in these parts, there were 14 Quizno’s shops in VB. Now? >One.

What did they do wrong in your view?

22 Snarknado!  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:55:16am

re: #6 ericblair

Why the “kinda”? The Kremlin pretty much xeroxed the Fox News machine: 24/7 carefully channeled outrage, hot newsreaders, lotsa cool colorful grafix, partial truth mixed with totally made up shit with no distinction between “reporting” and opinion.

You have reversed initiator and copier… but I agree.

23 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:55:35am

re: #2 Charles Johnson

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Sweet Jesus.

That’s what happens when you get your sense of humor from a Crackerjack Box or a Bazooka Gum wrapper.

24 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:56:36am
25 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:57:16am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

If you right click on the page and then click “Inspect Element,” then click the “Console” tab in the Inspector window, are there any errors listed as coming from a littlegreenfootballs.com address? If so, please tell me exactly what the error message says.

Yes, here are the errors messages….thoughts?

26 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:58:59am
27 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 10:59:13am

re: #25 Dr. Matt

Yes, here are the errors messages….thoughts?
[Embedded image]

Well, none of those errors are coming from LGF, unfortunately, so that doesn’t help.

28 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:00:25am

Is RT a model for First Look?

29 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:00:34am

re: #26 Kragar

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while the federal government “ought to take a neutral position” on the tax and benefit issues that arise from marriage.

What the fuck is a neutral position on that?

30 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:00:54am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

What did they do wrong in your view?

Greedy fucking assholes. Happy to sell franchises left and right, but the fine print said you had to buy supplies exclusively from them and got virtually no support in return. My boss was able to keep the place limping along for awhile by buying supplies outside the Quiznos supply chain, but eventually the drop in business coupled with the too-high rent of the place left him with no choice but to close the doors. I didn’t even a warning, just told on the day I went to pick up my last paycheck that we’d be closed as of the end of the week and thanks for 10 years of work.

31 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:01:31am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Well, none of those errors are coming from LGF, unfortunately, so that doesn’t help.

Ok. Thanks. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s something on my end. Our IT keeps things locked down and quite restricted on our end, hence, the “usercheck” error. We get that with any restricted sites or links.

32 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:02:38am

re: #30 Targetpractice

Sorry to hear that.

33 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:04:09am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Ok. Thanks. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s something on my end. Our IT keeps things locked down and quite restricted on our end, hence, the “usercheck” error. We get that with any restricted sites or links.

I did some looking on google and there are several links to “refused to set unsafe header” (I just picked one of your error messages to search).

Found this about javascipt and Chrome:

salesforce.stackexchange.com

34 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:05:32am

re: #11 Pie-onist Overlord

LOLWUT

So this dude thinks that people on welfare and SNAP should have guns, right?

Even those people?

Just want to be clear.

35 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:08:04am

re: #13 Bulworth

So RWNJ do get EBT cards then?

I think we’ve peeked behind the curtain.

Buying guns is okay if you don’t do it with an EBT card; no drug tests necessary.

Buying food is okay if you don’t do it with an EBT card; no drug tests necessary.

Buying food is okay if you do it with an EBT card; but drug tests are necessary.

36 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:14:00am

re: #34 chadu

So this dude thinks that people on welfare and SNAP should have guns, right?

Even >those people?

Just want to be clear.

This dude proves that he knows nothing about how EBT works.

37 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:15:05am

re: #29 wrenchwench

What the fuck is a neutral position on that?

Either everyone has the same rights under the law or they don’t. There is no neutral position.

38 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:15:11am

re: #36 Pie-onist Overlord

Pretty amazed this person can dress themselves in the morning. Or maybe that’s a challenge, too.

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:16:09am

re: #31 Dr. Matt

Yeah, it’s looking like some kind of block on your IT department’s end. And it’s probably what’s causing wheat-dogg’s problem in China too.

40 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:18:27am

re: #35 chadu

These people are insane. Everything you can buy with an EBT card is programmed into the system with its UPC code. If the code isn’t in the system, then you can’t buy it with the card. These morons equate the EBT cards with a bank account connected debit card. Because they’re stupid and because they have the intellectual curiosity (and intellect) of head lice. And I apologize to head lice for the comparison. They also seem to think that people on food stamps get a metric shit ton of money every month. I know a family of 5 that gets 300 dollars a month. For three kids and two adults. 75 dollars a week. For five people. Yes, that’s just living the high life.

Seriously, fuck these people sideways with rusty farm implements. Repeatedly.

41 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:19:03am

I have a variety of issues, IT wise, on my end at work here, too. I can only respond to posts in Spy mode, I can’t delete or edit posts, etc. Weird. Although of course I’m not saying I log in here from work, because I would never do that. /

42 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:19:24am

Sarah Palin plans ‘Rogue TV’

Fox News contributor and former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin will be launching her own digital video channel, tentatively called “Rogue TV,” a source familiar with the project told Capital.

The channel will be available through Tapp, the digital video service founded by former CNN chief Jon Klein and former NBC Universal entertainment executive Jeff Gaspin. Subscriptions will cost $10 per month.
….snip
The company’s website paints a picture of what to expect, with a word-cloud featuring topics like “paranormal,” “faith,” “relationships,” “fantasy sports” and “science.”

I predict an early quitting.

43 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:21:59am

WE WILL DECIDE WHO IS TRULY POOR!!!! EVEN TEH LITTLE CHILDRENS CAN WORK CLEANING TOILETS!!!!!

44 Lidane  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:23:34am

re: #26 Kragar

ROFL. Good luck with that, Rand.

45 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:23:37am

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

WE WILL DECIDE WHO IS TRULY POOR!!!! EVEN TEH LITTLE CHILDRENS CAN WORK CLEANING TOILETS!!!!!

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The “truly poor and needy” all live in the rural South. If you live in a city and you’re not holding down a full-time job or two part-time jobs by the time you’re 16, then you’re a lazy good for nothing that doesn’t deserve help. So sayeth the Cult of Rand.

46 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:24:07am

As long as Putin is in charge the cold war is back. He will risk the decades of interactions and trade with Europe and the west for pride and for territory. Remember al the worries about HW Bush being a former CIA guy? Remember how the CIA was suddenly the big power player in DC? Right me neither.

But with Putin and his cold war intel work, it really is that nightmare. A small paranoid man with great deadly experience and super power era weapons. He can be beat, outmaneuvered or out smarted. But not easily and not without a show of strength and solidarity.

47 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:26:22am

The conservative concept is simple: Help the truly poor & needy; create the opportunity for the rest to go back to work!

I think that about sums it up.

48 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:27:09am
49 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:27:11am

Meanwhile, in the land of the 6000 year old earth,

Oklahoma TV Station Cuts Reference To Evolution In Neil deGrasse Tyson’s ‘Cosmos’

Just an operator error, wink wink, nod nod.

huffingtonpost.com

50 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:28:22am
The channel will be available through Tapp, the digital video service founded by former CNN chief Jon Klein and former NBC Universal entertainment executive Jeff Gaspin. Subscriptions will cost $10 per month.

Yeah that sounds like something someone paying $300+ for cable, smartphone, Netflix, etc, will want to plop another $10 down on. //

51 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:30:13am

re: #45 Targetpractice

The “truly poor and needy” all live in the rural South. If you live in a city and you’re not holding down a full-time job or two part-time jobs by the time you’re 16, then you’re a lazy good for nothing that doesn’t deserve help. So sayeth the Cult of Rand.

CREEYATE MOAR JRRBS BY LOWERING TEH MINIMUM WAGE!!!! WHEN TEH JRRB CREEYATERS DON’T HAS TO PAY THERE WORKERS THEY CAN HAZ MOAR WORKERS!!!!

IF TEH LAZY MOOCHERS WAS FORCED TO WORK FOR FREES TO GET THERE WELFARES & FOOD STAMPS THEIR CAN BE MOAR JRRBS!!!!!

52 jaunte  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:32:04am

What price Roguishness?

53 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:32:34am

re: #52 jaunte

What price Roguishness?

A Presidential election

54 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:34:01am

re: #37 Kragar

Either everyone has the same rights under the law or they don’t. There is no neutral position.

It’s like neutral in my truck. Doesn’t engage with anything, so you go nowhere. Rand fears grinding the gears at the GOP, so he’s trying to shift without actually putting it into gear. He’ll start rolling backwards down the hill next.

55 Ian G.  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:35:45am

re: #42 jaunte

“paranormal” and “science”. Da Fuq?

Oh, and “fantasy sports”. Because that market isn’t saturated, no sir. I’ve been waiting for Sarah Palin to tell me how much to bid on Mike Trout in my upcoming auction league.

56 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:40:02am

This is good.


Ah, it’s time to debate newsroom diversity again.

For whatever the announcements of Nate Silver’s new journalism startup, Ezra Klein’s new journalism startup, and Pierre Omidyar’s new journalism startup (featuring three white dudes each leading their own projects) mean for the Future of Journalism, they do tell us one thing: Just as women and journalists of color are beginning to have a major presence in more traditional newsrooms, the disruptive white boys are jumping ship and starting their own ventures — only to replicate the same diversity problems newspapers and magazines have struggled with for decades. (Problems, one could argue, that helped drive them into irrelevance.)

[…]

57 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:40:04am
58 chadu  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:41:58am

re: #42 jaunte

Sarah Palin plans ‘Rogue TV’

The company’s website paints a picture of what to expect, with a word-cloud featuring topics like “paranormal,” “faith,” “relationships,” “fantasy sports” and “science.”

I predict an early quitting.

Ah ha ha ha ha a ha ha ha oh he he he he ah ha ah ha e he he he.

I have a theory that Christianism is just Jesus-flavored New Age Spirituality.

No huge diss on either Jesus or New Age Spirituality, there, but c’mon: the cafeteria-style feature/bug of NAS is right there in Jesusland’s Faith of Choice — prayer warriors, guardian angels, demons of homosexuality, charismatic (cult) leaders, selective application of the tenets espoused in their Magic Book (and philosophy), a surprising amount of money spent for orthoganal purposes, etc. etc.

59 Ming  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:42:53am

re: #22 Snarknado!

Why the “kinda”? The Kremlin pretty much xeroxed the Fox News machine: 24/7 carefully channeled outrage, hot newsreaders, lotsa cool colorful grafix, partial truth mixed with totally made up shit with no distinction between “reporting” and opinion.

You have reversed initiator and copier… but I agree.

I do believe that the term “disinformation” comes from the Soviet Union. One of their specialties.

60 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:44:06am
61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:46:57am
62 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:47:26am

re: #60 NJDhockeyfan

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“hacked by radar”??? Oy…

63 Snarknado!  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:50:26am

re: #59 Ming

I do believe that the term “disinformation” comes from the Soviet Union. One of their specialties.

Actually, I looked it up once — the word goes back (at least) to the 18th century. There Is Nothing New Under the Sun.

64 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:50:36am

re: #62 William Barnett-Lewis

“hacked by radar”??? Oy…

Not confirmed yet. The Russians could be throwing some shit out there to try to make us look bad.

66 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:51:16am

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

That image does not match the model #
google.com

67 Dave In Austin  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:52:05am

Interesting… And about time

Over on C&L

68 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:52:43am

re: #62 William Barnett-Lewis

“hacked by radar”??? Oy…

The first report does indicate that EW (electronic warfare measurs) was used to disrupt the downlink, forcing the UAV to emergency land. Radar picked it up. but it was the EW guys who took it out.

If that’s true, then they’ve identified a fault with the uplink and a vulnerability with the UAVs that show the limit of the current tech, or the current security protocols on the uplinks.

69 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:53:32am
70 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54:16am

The Daily Caller actually has a JFK conspiracy loon writing for them. Good grief.

71 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54:46am

re: #64 NJDhockeyfan

Not confirmed yet. The Russians could be throwing some shit out there to try to make us look bad.

Ya think?
/

72 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54:53am

So when did Russia get to stop a US drone or anything else from entering sovereign Ukrainian airspace? They would be violating international law. Not that they mind doing that. Just another stick in the eye of the world at large.

73 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:55:15am

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Derp diversity

74 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:55:21am

Democrats claim the Koch brothers want to ‘protect tax cuts for companies that ship our jobs overseas’

Upon examination, this claim crumbles into dust. The ad not only mischaracterizes an ordinary tax deduction as a special “tax cut” but then it falsely asserts that “protecting” this tax break is part of the Koch agenda. It turns out this claim is based on a tenuous link to an organization that never even took a position on the legislation in question.

We often have been critical of AFP ads, and we realize Democrats want to fight back against an onslaught of attacks. But if you want to join a gun fight, don’t fire blanks.

75 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:56:11am

re: #57 NJDhockeyfan

Voice of Russia is an extremely unreliable source.

76 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:58:15am

re: #72 Political Atheist

So when did Russia get to stop a US drone or anything else from entering sovereign Ukrainian airspace? They would be violating international law. Not that they mind doing that. Just another stick in the eye of the world at large.

Renegades must have done it because there isn’t any Russian military in Crimea. Putin said so.

77 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:58:53am
78 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:59:17am

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Voice of Russia is an extremely unreliable source.

Exactly. Consider it the Russian government talking.

79 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:01:31pm

re: #78 NJDhockeyfan

Exactly. Consider it the Russian government talking.

So basically just like any Russian media source.

80 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:03:20pm

re: #66 Political Atheist

TinEye doesn’t return any images, so this may be new.

The 66th primarily uses the Hunter UAV, IAI RQ-5s. This isn’t one of those.

The image also seems to indicate either a significant SIGINT/camera array near the rear propeller in the 8 o’clock position, or some kind of offset equipment, that would appear to impinge on the propeller. There also appears to be a projection on the other side at the 3 o’clock position.

However, it does appear to be similar to the Boeing Scan Eagle, and that’s a Marine UAV, lightweight, and not part of the 66th Brigade.

[updated]. I’m going to say that this is definitely a ScanEagle, based on the engine configuration as seen here.

81 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:03:31pm

re: #78 NJDhockeyfan

Exactly. Consider it the Russian government talking.

Don’t forget to extend your skepticism to the ones who Tweet it.

82 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:03:53pm

Looks like I’ve got to break out the video editor when I get home.

83 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:04:15pm

re: #79 Kragar

So basically just like any Russian media source.

They closed down all the other ones yesterday. Consider anything being reported in the Russian press to be coming from Moscow.

84 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:04:29pm
85 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:04:48pm

re: #83 NJDhockeyfan

They closed down all the other ones yesterday. Consider anything being reported in the Russian press to be coming from Moscow.

I always did.

86 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:05:10pm

re: #76 NJDhockeyfan

Renegades must have done it because there isn’t any Russian military in Crimea. Putin said so.

Looks a little like a Scan Eagle

Youtube Video

87 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:05:35pm

Meanwhile it looks like Putin is moving money around…

88 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:06:16pm

re: #80 lawhawk

TinEye doesn’t return any images, so this may be new.

The 66th primarily uses the Hunter UAV, IAI RQ-5s. This isn’t one of those.

The image also seems to indicate either a significant SIGINT/camera array near the rear propeller in the 8 o’clock position, or some kind of offset equipment, that would appear to impinge on the propeller. There also appears to be a projection on the other side at the 3 o’clock position.

However, it does appear to be similar to the Boeing Scan Eagle, and that’s a Marine UAV, lightweight, and not part of the 66th Brigade.

en.wikipedia.org

Right on, missed that gathering links for NJD

89 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:06:43pm

re: #83 NJDhockeyfan

They closed down all the other ones yesterday. Consider anything being reported in the Russian press to be coming from Moscow.

“In The News there is no truth and in The Truth there is no news.”

90 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:08:10pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

“In The News there is no truth and in The Truth there is no news.”

And no such thing a a “recon raid”(sic from the article) by a drone. A raid means shooting.

91 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:09:08pm

And then you’ll not only have an airplane, but it will be full of stuff!

92 Mike Lamb  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:10:22pm

re: #43 Pie-onist Overlord

WE WILL DECIDE WHO IS TRULY POOR!!!! EVEN TEH LITTLE CHILDRENS CAN WORK CLEANING TOILETS!!!!!

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And this is accomplished by taking away unemployment benefits; blocking access to health insurance; undermining affirmative action; limiting reproductive rights; and raising taxes on the poor.

In other words, we must burn the village in order to save it.

93 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:11:11pm

Oh and the ScanEagle isn’t a scout-attack drone. It has no attack capabilities. It’s payload is… wait for it…. 7.5 pounds.

It has enough power to lift an electronics package, and not more. Even then, it’s loitering around at 50-60 knots. Not exactly an attack platform. It’s an intel platform.

94 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:12:20pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

Well, if a plane is full of stuff, we need people to unload it. That’s what the passengers are for. Well, that and pressing the button at the Hatch so that the Light doesn’t shine. Or else old Smokey will come down and do bad things. /Hurley from Lost

95 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:14:03pm

re: #93 lawhawk

Oh and the ScanEagle isn’t a scout-attack drone. It has no attack capabilities. It’s payload is… wait for it…. 7.5 pounds.

It has enough power to lift an electronics package, and not more. Even then, it’s loitering around at 50-60 knots. Not exactly an attack platform. It’s an intel platform.

That thing can barely lift one of our DSLR cameras with a long lens. Since they are bragging, perhaps a protest about a theft of equipment would be a response. Or drop a couple Russian drones with similar tech. For violating Ukrainian airspace. heh.

96 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:14:23pm

re: #68 lawhawk

The first report does indicate that EW (electronic warfare measurs) was used to disrupt the downlink, forcing the UAV to emergency land. Radar picked it up. but it was the EW guys who took it out.

If that’s true, then they’ve identified a fault with the uplink and a vulnerability with the UAVs that show the limit of the current tech, or the current security protocols on the uplinks.

Those have been know for a while now. I seem to remember reading about them in Scientific American a year ago or so. There is the possibility they can jam the signal or also spoof the signal and take control.

97 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:14:57pm

Hmmm… looks like I joined the 120k karma club. Thanks Charles for all that you do in keeping the place humming along, and to those who have dinged me for my contributions. Much appreciated.

98 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:15:12pm

re: #91 Pie-onist Overlord

And then you’ll not only have an airplane, but it will be full of stuff!

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The whole thing is starting to look like the sort of stuff SPECTRE used to do in the James Bond novels/films.

If this was a hijacking or even an airplane theft, all I’m saying is the person or persons who did it damned well better have a secret high-tech lair hidden in an extinct volcano with a retractable roof disguised to look like a lake, or I’m gonna be pretty disappointed.

99 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:17:40pm

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

The whole thing is starting to look like the sort of stuff SPECTRE used to do in the James Bond novels/films.

If this was a hijacking or even an airplane theft, all I’m saying is the person or persons who did it damned well better have a secret high-tech lair hidden in an extinct volcano with a retractable roof disguised to look like a lake, or I’m gonna be pretty disappointed.

It was all done to kidnap 20 employees from a semiconductor company.

20 Freescale staff on vanished Malaysia Airlines flight MH370

100 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:19:51pm

Something is going on in Israel right now…

101 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:19:52pm

Just my opinion, I think there was a depressurization that disabled the crew and passengers, and the aircraft flew on by itself until it ran out of fuel and crashed in the ocean.

Occam’s razor.

102 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:23:23pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

An explosive device detonated along the border near an Israeli position. Israel then responded by firing on Hizbullah positions inside Lebanon.

An explosive charge detonated Friday evening near Har Dov in the vicinity of the Israel-Lebanon border.

No wounded were reported in the attack which targeted an IDF force. The Israeli army said it is investigating the incident.

The IDF fired at a Hezbollah position near the border north of the Israeli city of Metula, using tanks stationed in the area and artillery.

A high-ranking officer told reporters that no Hezbollah casualties are known, and noted that the retaliatory fire was “automatic, as a result of understanding the incident.” He added that the IDF currently considers Hezbollah as involved in the incident. The IDF is still uncertain where exactly the charge was placed and what was it made of.

The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), an extremist al-Qaeda linked group whose militants are fighting in Syria, claimed responsibility for the attack on the patrol.

Lebanese sources reported the IDF fired five artillery shells at open terrain near Lebanese villages, causing no injuries.

103 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:23:25pm

Empty panels.

104 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:27:23pm

And now for a moment of zen…

Youtube Video

105 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:27:24pm

re: #101 Pie-onist Overlord

Just my opinion, I think there was a depressurization that disabled the crew and passengers, and the aircraft flew on by itself until it ran out of fuel and crashed in the ocean.

Occam’s razor.

Oh boy, might be right there was that private jet, but airliners have those drop masks. Crew has 02 for emergencies. If that all failed too we come back to foul play. I hate to think of passengers with O2 masks trying to get to the pilots through a locked door to revive them. Awful.

106 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:28:09pm

re: #102 lawhawk

An explosive device detonated along the border near an Israeli position. Israel then responded by firing on Hizbullah positions inside Lebanon.

Israel’s is getting it from both sides. Nothing huge thank goodness. No doubt both are from orders out of Iran.

107 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:30:22pm
108 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:37:59pm

re: #42 jaunte

Sarah Palin plans ‘Rogue TV’

The company’s website paints a picture of what to expect, with a word-cloud featuring topics like “paranormal,” “faith,” “relationships,” “fantasy sports” and “science.”

Sing with me!
“One of these words is not like the others..
Which of these words just doesn’t belong…”

109 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:39:05pm


Fuck, and I was kidding about the semiconductor thing.

FFS people, grow up.

110 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:39:42pm

re: #108 RadicalModerate

I think they meant fantasy science.

111 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:40:20pm

re: #108 RadicalModerate

Sing with me!
“One of these words is not like the others..
Which of these words just doesn’t belong…”

For years, creationists have been pushing a definition of science as basically being any organized set of beliefs.

It’s considered rude to point out that this definition would make astrology and theology both sciences.

112 Backwoods_Sleuth  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:40:42pm

re: #99 Kragar

It was all done to kidnap 20 employees from a semiconductor company.

20 Freescale staff on vanished Malaysia Airlines flight MH370

conspiracy derp on my twitter timeline AND on FB claim those particular people are “electronic warfare experts”.
booga booga booga!!!

113 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:42:10pm
114 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:43:24pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

conspiracy derp on my twitter timeline AND on FB claim those particular people are “electronic warfare experts”.
booga booga booga!!!

Just come and say it. Dharma Initiative. That’s better.

Because that’s got the same level of reality associated with it, which is to say none.

115 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:44:12pm

re: #42 jaunte

Sarah Palin plans ‘Rogue TV’

at this rate, ‘sarah palin’ will soon be a name associated with fad diets, celebrity rumors, and alien sightings, and young people will be surprised to discover that she was once considered a serious political figure

‘sarah palin’s one weird trick to help keep you looking younger than your IQ!!”

116 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:44:43pm

In all honesty, CNN isn’t much better. This morning as I drove to work, I listened to CNN because the new 8am MSNBC slot is now Tamron Hall (who is doing the celebrity trial bullshit coverage and calling it News Nation). They had a “Terrorism expert” on to discuss MH 370 and all the possible ways it could be, but hasn’t yet proven to be, terrorism. Then, after about six minutes of this shit, whatever English accented fuckwad they have hosting that hour said, “Wait a second…we can’t jump to conclusions. The stolen passport holders we were all excited about Monday turned out to be victims by Wednesday.”

To this, the terror expert responded, “You brought me on to discuss terrorism as a possible motive…I’m just explaining scenarios, not endorsing one.”

That brought a commercial break…and then.

12 fucking more minutes of different terrorist scenarios that could have brought down the plane followed by an aside that maybe the pilots might have stolen the plane for profit.

That inspired this tweet:

117 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:45:34pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

For years, creationists have been pushing a definition of science as basically being any organized set of beliefs.

It’s considered rude to point out that this definition would make astrology and theology both sciences.

keep in mind these are people who feel that they have the right to tell you what god does or does not think

118 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:45:51pm

In happier news, my Friday pic from this morning. Banjo would have caught it, but he blocked it with an outstreched paw…you can see the look of concern on his face.

119 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:47:49pm

re: #118 darthstar

ha!

120 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:48:06pm

I’m sure this family has grieved over this, but why wouldn’t you call the police if you thought someone had intentions of breaking in rather than calling the person next door, even if it was your brother? It’s bad enough that police make mistakes, but at least they’re trained in apprehension, whereas civilians usually are not.

This was nothing more than taking the law into his own hands, IMHO.

No charges against Connecticut man who killed son

bigstory.ap.org

“State police have said Giuliano went outside with a gun around 1 a.m. on Sept. 27, 2012, when his sister called to say someone was trying to break into her house next door. Authorities say Giuliano saw a masked person holding a knife come toward him in a threatening manner and shot him.

“He later was told the person was his son Tyler, who died of multiple gunshot wounds.”

HIs son might have lived had he only taken one shot, to scare him off, but this guy was shooting to kill.

121 S'latch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:49:05pm

It has always been puzzling to me why people like Greenwald and Snowden have such skewed views of the United States. But, I haven’t been exposed to much anti-U.S. propaganda like RTs. Now having seen some, I suspect that material like this is what they fed themselves on to develop their political views. I suppose RT is out to create as many Greenwalds and Snowdens as possible.

122 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:51:23pm

This is pretty good. The Tweet of God releases the Gospel According to Bieber

123 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:52:05pm

This is useful for a little perspective:
List of aerial disappearances

It’s quite a long list, going all the way back to 1856, when pioneer aeronaut Matias Perez vanished in a hot-air balloon after lifting off from Havana, Cuba.

It has been a very long time since a scheduled airliner simply vanished though.
It’s worth noting that wreckage from Air France flight 447 was located within 48 hours after it went missing in the Atlantic on June 1 2009.

124 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:52:51pm
125 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:56:11pm
126 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:58:23pm
127 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 12:59:24pm
128 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:00:07pm

re: #122 darthstar

This is pretty good. The Tweet of God releases the Gospel According to Bieber

[Embedded content]

That turned Pie-onist Overlord into an atheist.

129 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:02:03pm

Ford tells CNBC it will continue to sponsor non-LGBT inclusive St. Patrick’s Day parade in New York City; ‘No one person, group or event reflects Ford’s views on every issue’ - @CNBCnow
see original on twitter.com


St. Patrick’s Day parades gay rights controversy
4m
Heineken tells @CNBC it will no longer sponsor St. Patrick’s Day Parade in New York City, saying ‘we believe in equality for all’; Sam Adams pulled out of Boston parade earlier - @RyanRuggiero, @CNBCBeerNews

130 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:03:07pm
131 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:03:59pm

re: #120 Justanotherhuman

Sad to say, that’s how it should be done. You don’t “scare” people with a lethal weapon. You don’t fire warning shots. You don’t know where that bullet will go. If you shoot, you shoot to kill.

What’s left out of here is if the boy was, in fact, wearing a mask and wielding his own deadly weapon. Combine that with the Cheshire, CT home invasion murder case en.wikipedia.org
and you have a situation where I can’t see much different of an outcome.

132 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:05:03pm

re: #105 Political Atheist

Oh boy, might be right there was that private jet, but airliners have those drop masks. Crew has 02 for emergencies. If that all failed too we come back to foul play. I hate to think of passengers with O2 masks trying to get to the pilots through a locked door to revive them. Awful.

Yesterday someone mentioned Helios Flight 522.

133 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:07:19pm
134 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:07:29pm

Blasted Windows XP!

Ever since Charles added the Getty embed functionality, LGF at work has been annoying as fuck to navigate, but, as of yet, he’s been unable to duplicate the issues. I know he’s been trying to address them, but apparently there’s some sort of bug in XP that affects my work LGF browsing on Chrome 33 and IE8 (IE8…inorite?) on multiple machines; at home, in Win8.1, everything’s fine.

Current known issues with me in XP:

The New Comments button will show me the new post count, but if I hit it to get new post, I get the Spinning Wheel of Doom and have to refresh the entire page.

When I post a comment, the screen greys out and doesn’t return to my new post; however, if I do a full refresh, my post is (usually) there.

Many thanks to Charles, in any case, for trying to get this stuff addressed.

135 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:08:19pm

re: #122 darthstar

This is pretty good. The Tweet of God releases the Gospel According to Bieber

[Embedded content]

The first couple of Tweets were funny, then it became something that only a hardcore Belieber would want to read.

Srsly it sucked.

136 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:09:04pm
137 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:10:24pm

Looks good so far.

The change I just made (after several days of unit testing): I’ve switched the code that replaces bare URLs with HTML links to use the new improved URL-matching regular expression by John Gruber, instead of the ancient and flawed series of regular expressions I’ve been using for years.

I tweaked John’s regex quite a bit, with some additions that let it ignore URLs that are already inside HTML tags. (This is now one gnarly mutha of a regular expression and I may post it in a tech note.)

This code also does stuff like replacing YouTube/Vimeo/SoundCloud/etc. URLs with embedded videos, and a lot of other stuff as well. Every bit of text posted at LGF gets processed by this code — so changing it is a big deal, even if you don’t really see any difference out there on the interwebs.

The new code is much faster, and does a much better job of matching all types of web URLs. The only visible difference is that the URL no longer needs to start with “http://” or “www.” in order to be converted.

138 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:13:14pm
139 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:14:23pm

re: #134 TedStriker

Blasted Windows XP!

Ever since Charles added the Getty embed functionality, LGF at work has been annoying as fuck to navigate, but, as of yet, he’s been unable to duplicate the issues. I know he’s been trying to address them, but apparently there’s some sort of bug in XP that affects my work LGF browsing on Chrome 33 and IE8 (IE8…inorite?) on multiple machines; at home, in Win8.1, everything’s fine.

Current known issues with me in XP:

Many thanks to Charles, in any case, for trying to get this stuff addressed.

It’s looking like this is a block put in place by employer’s IT departments for some reason. The only common factor I can find is that everyone reporting it is at work when it happens. And Dr. Matt’s screenshot showed no errors in the Javascript code, so that can’t be it.

Unless someone can find a way I can duplicate this outside of their work environment, there’s nothing I can really do. I guess you could try getting in touch with whoever’s running the IT dept and see if there’s something that changed recently. I know these employer’s blocking systems often rely on the same black lists for this kind of stuff, which would also explain why it appeared for several people around the same time.

140 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:15:54pm

And another improvement is that the new URL-matching code doesn’t try to convert a string like http:// into a link.

141 piratedan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:20:13pm

and I had money on it being crafted by chimps at word processors, but then again, Rupert might have sued them for illegal usage of proprietary processes…..

142 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:20:49pm

Ugh…

143 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:20:52pm

re: #131 William Barnett-Lewis

Sad to say, that’s how it should be done. You don’t “scare” people with a lethal weapon. You don’t fire warning shots. You don’t know where that bullet will go. If you shoot, you shoot to kill.

What’s left out of here is if the boy was, in fact, wearing a mask and wielding his own deadly weapon. Combine that with the Cheshire, CT home invasion murder case en.wikipedia.org
and you have a situation where I can’t see much different of an outcome.

Entirely different cases. Entirely, and the home invasion case was 5 yrs earlier. As a mother, I’ve recognized my sons in the semi-darkness without even seeing their faces. Of the 2 people who might have seen this 15 yr old, neither one even had a clue? I think there is more to this particular case than meets the eye. If this kid was 15 and wielding a knife in addition to wearing a ski mask, why would he have picked his own aunt’s house to break into, right next door to his own? He may have already been troubled and not getting help, but we’ll probably never know.

Tyler was adopted. Maybe that is the difference.

ctpost.com

144 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:21:59pm

Well, trying to use my Jawbone UP24 for all it’s worth, I decided to go to mall today. One trip around the inside is about 4000 steps (for me).

The walking wasn’t a problem. It’s the drive to and from.

I’m exhausted from the drive.

I only spent $25.00.

145 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:22:36pm

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

Tell ‘em to come to LGF. We already determined it wasn’t a MQ-5B depicted in that image; it’s a ScanEagle in the image provided in that article you posted above.

Other details of that report are also inaccurate as a result. Looks like someone either was throwing stuff up against a wall and hoping no one would notice, or they just thought they’d overwhelm people with a bunch of tech looking stuff and think no one would fact-check.

146 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:26:12pm

re: #145 lawhawk

Other details of that report are also inaccurate as a result. Looks like someone either was throwing stuff up against a wall and hoping no one would notice, or they just thought they’d overwhelm people with a bunch of tech looking stuff and think no one would fact-check.

So they’ve got someone from the Guardian working for them?

147 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:31:36pm

bbl

148 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:33:24pm
149 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:36:59pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

For years, creationists have been pushing a definition of science as basically being any organized set of beliefs.

It’s considered rude to point out that this definition would make astrology and theology both sciences.

Behe actually testified in the Dover trial that science as he defined it would have to include astrology.

150 BongCrodny  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:39:20pm

Hat tip to the folks at Balloon Juice for this one.

This chart from the U.S. Census Bureau is scary as all get-out: it tracks the rise in child poverty (ages 5-17) from 1999-2012 and you can literally see the change from year to year as it happened.

Census.gov: Small Area Income and Poverty Estimates

Meanwhile, the richest 1% took home 7.3% of all income in 1973; last year they took home over 19% — their biggest share since 1928.

CNBC: Richest 1% earn biggest share since Roaring 20’s

I find it hard to believe that there’s no correlation between the two.

151 RadicalModerate  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:39:55pm

This is just wrong, and is wrong on more than one level.

$600,000 stolen from Joel Osteen’s megachurch

(CNN) - Talk about thieves in the temple.

Some $600,000 in cash and check donations were stolen this week from Lakewood Church in Houston, according to the city’s police department.

Incredibly, all of the money was from one weekend’s donations, the church says. For many American churches, $600,000 in tithes would be a good month or even year.

The church, which is pastored by bestselling author and preacher Joel Osteen, told congregants the stolen money came from contributions on March 8 and 9.

The theft occurred between Sunday afternoon and Monday morning. About $200,000 in cash and $400,000 in checks were stolen from a church safe, said Houston Police Department spokeswoman Jodi Silva.

The investigation is ongoing and no arrests have been made, Silva said.

Given Osteen’s reputation for extravagance, I wonder how much of that $600K went toward church expenses and actual ministry, and how much of it went toward his family’s multi-million dollar (and almost fully tax-exempt) salaries?

edit: I should also mention that this donation money was fully insured, so Osteen isn’t losing a penny of this.

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:42:08pm

re: #151 RadicalModerate

This is just wrong, and is wrong on more than one level.

$600,000 stolen from Joel Osteen’s megachurch

Given Osteen’s reputation for extravagance, I wonder how much of that $600K went toward church expenses and actual ministry, and how much of it went toward his family’s multi-million dollar (and almost fully tax-exempt) salaries?

Several good decades in the church I belong to.

153 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:43:43pm

re: #151 RadicalModerate

This is just wrong, and is wrong on more than one level.

$600,000 stolen from Joel Osteen’s megachurch

Given Osteen’s reputation for extravagance, I wonder how much of that $600K went toward church expenses and actual ministry, and how much of it went toward his family’s multi-million dollar (and almost fully tax-exempt) salaries?

edit: I should also mention that this donation money was fully insured, so Osteen isn’t losing a penny of this.

And remember, all of that is tax free, being a church and all.

154 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:43:54pm

re: #151 RadicalModerate

He’s also insured for that type of thing so no loss for him. I HATE these prosperity gospel fuckers, the whole lot of ‘em. I hope whoever stole that money actually uses it to help people, because from the looks of things, all Osteen helps is himself. It’s so gross it makes my skin crawl. This shit is part of why it became OK to hate on the poor. Prosperity gospel is poison.

155 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:44:18pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

It’s looking like this is a block put in place by employer’s IT departments for some reason. The only common factor I can find is that everyone reporting it is at work when it happens. And Dr. Matt’s screenshot showed no errors in the Javascript code, so that can’t be it.

Unless someone can find a way I can duplicate this outside of their work environment, there’s nothing I can really do. I guess you could try getting in touch with whoever’s running the IT dept and see if there’s something that changed recently. I know these employer’s blocking systems often rely on the same black lists for this kind of stuff, which would also explain why it appeared for several people around the same time.

The thing is, here at work, nothing has changed IRT to the web filters lately, AFAIK; all social media sites (Twitter, FB, etc.), most streaming video sites (with probably the exception of YouTube), and most ad servers have been blocked for at least 2-3 years.

156 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:44:48pm

This makes me wonder just how pervasive Kremlin influence is in the conspiracy industry. The Libertarian Party is practically the political branch of RT these days, and similar ideas (especially RT’s numerous anti-Israeli conspiracy theories) are pervasive in such diverse areas as local Republican Parties and major academic institutions. Beyond RT, what influence is being exercised behind the scenes? A billion dollars is pocket change for a major nation-state, even a financially strapped one like Russia, but it could grease a hell of a lot of palms in this country.

157 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:47:39pm

re: #149 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Behe actually testified in the Dover trial that science as he defined it would have to include astrology.

Yes, that damaging admission was in the back of my mind.

Since then, creationists have had to adopt a strategy of lying with greater diligence and consistency about what they are up to.

IIRC in the Dover trial, national creationist groups were displeased with the unusually high level of honesty of the Dover school board defendants.

158 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:48:04pm
159 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:49:09pm

re: #155 TedStriker

The thing is, here at work, nothing has changed IRT to the web filters lately; all social media sites (Twitter, FB, etc.) and most streaming video sites (with probably the exception of YouTube) have been blocked for at least 2-3 years.

Right, but if they recently updated some sort of blacklist for their blocking apps, that could be the cause, and would also explain why several people saw it start happening around the same time on their work systems.

I’ve tested it now in every combination of browser and Win XP and Win 7, and I just can’t duplicate it - I also tried installing AdBlock to see if that was the cause and it still works fine here.

160 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:50:21pm

re: #154 A Mom Anon

He’s also insured for that type of thing so no loss for him. I HATE these prosperity gospel fuckers, the whole lot of ‘em. I hope whoever stole that money actually uses it to help people, because from the looks of things, all Osteen helps is himself. It’s so gross it makes my skin crawl. This shit is part of why it became OK to hate on the poor. Prosperity gospel is poison.

Seen recently on the net (can’t find the source)

The Republicans moan, the Republicans bitch: Our rich are too poor and our poor are too rich.

161 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:50:59pm
162 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:52:21pm

re: #158 Kragar

Sooo when is Frankie moving to Russia? Hmm? All these assholes who love Putin so much, why not give up their citizenship in this awful, terrible country and move the manly, muscular, masculine bastion of freedom that is Vladie’s Russia?

I’m tired of suffering fools, and god am I glad it’s Friday. I’m making Prosecco cocktails in a couple hours and hanging out with my dog. People have sucked all week, I’m about to disown 90 percent of the humans I know right now.

163 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:52:28pm
Isn’t it sad, though, that America’s own morality has fallen so far that on this issue—protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda—Russia’s standard is higher than our own?

In my opinion, Putin is right on these issues. Obviously, he may be wrong about many things, but he has taken a stand to protect his nation’s children from the damaging effects of any gay and lesbian agenda.

- Franklin Graham

164 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:54:00pm

re: #163 Kragar

Franklin Graham should lose his tax exempt status for meddling in politics like he does.

165 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:55:04pm

And screw you for supporting us all these years…we’ll now be working for our investors.

166 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:56:06pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Franklin Graham should lose his tax exempt status for meddling in politics like he does.

Megachurches are non-profit organizations, just like the NBA and the NFL, so they deserve to be exempted from paying taxes, right?

167 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:56:14pm

re: #161 Justanotherhuman

Video allegedly showing Russian trucks towing artillery

obviously this has happened because obama threatened to bomb syria! he should fix the situation immediately by authorizing the keystone pipeline and lowering the capital gains tax!!!

[please note not technically satire since rw pundits have said exactly that]

168 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:57:54pm

Go away. Far, far away.

Republican Scott Brown officially announces he’s exploring a run for US Senate in New Hampshire - @RyanSchulteis
see original on twitter.com

Some people are just too, too big for their britches.

169 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:58:13pm

re: #167 dog philosopher

obviously this has happened because obama threatened to bomb syria! he should fix the situation immediately by authorizing the keystone pipeline and lowering the capital gains tax!!!

[please note not technically satire since rw pundits have said exactly that]

You forgot to mention scheduling weekly floggings of welfare recipients to encourage positive attitudes about work.

170 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 1:59:28pm

re: #168 Justanotherhuman

Go away. Far, far away.

Republican Scott Brown officially announces he’s exploring a run for US Senate in New Hampshire - @RyanSchulteis
see original on twitter.com

Some people are just too, too big for their britches.

Fred Tuttle still around to run against him in the primary?

171 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:01:28pm

re: #163 Kragar

In my opinion, Putin is right on these issues - Franklin Graham

as the ‘hardhats’ used to say to us anti vietnam war protesters 47 years ago

“america, love it or leave it! why don’t you go move to russia if you hate america that much??”

172 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:03:06pm

re: #163 Kragar

I wonder how graciously Franklin Graham would react to the idea that American children need to be protected from the harmful effect of Christian indoctrination by suppressing Christianity?

173 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:04:39pm

re: #170 Kragar

Fred Tuttle still around to run against him in the primary?

Don’t know, but Brown is still pretty stupid since he obviously doesn’t realize that Friday is news dump day. : )

174 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:05:32pm

re: #172 EPR-radar

I wonder how graciously Franklin Graham would react to the idea that American children need to be protected from the harmful effect of Christian indoctrination by suppressing Christianity?

No one is born Christian.

The Christian lifestyle only exists because of people being actively recruited into it.

175 Justanotherhuman  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:07:37pm

re: #174 Kragar

No one is born Christian.

The Christian lifestyle only exists because of people being actively recruited into it.

No one is born much of anything except a blank slate.

176 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:08:20pm

re: #174 Kragar

No one is born Christian.

The Christian lifestyle only exists because of people being actively recruited into it.

actually, i would have to really resent and object to anybody coming up to my children - if i had any - and telling them that they were born sinful and needed to convert to christianity or spend an eternity burning in hell

yet this happens every day

177 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:09:07pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

Right, but if they recently updated some sort of blacklist for their blocking apps, that could be the cause, and would also explain why several people saw it start happening around the same time on their work systems.

I’ve tested it now in every combination of browser and Win XP and Win 7, and I just can’t duplicate it - I also tried installing AdBlock to see if that was the cause and it still works fine here.

That what’s vexing me; maybe our Barracuda blacklist did get updated at about the same time you added the Getty functionality, because that’s when my issues started, but I don’t know. I can’t exactly go to my IT folks about this, because some personal goofing-off on the internets is tolerated as long as it doesn’t affect our work or our network, but the less scrutiny I get from them on this stuff, the better.

It’s a hell of a coincidence, though.

178 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:10:37pm

re: #175 Justanotherhuman

No one is born much of anything except a blank slate.

I would have to say a person is more likely to be born with a genetic disposition towards a sexual orientation than with a genetic disposition to a certain set of religious beliefs.

179 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:11:12pm

re: #177 TedStriker

If you’re using Chrome can you do the same thing Dr. Matt did, and post a screenshot of the Inspect Element console tab when the problem occurs? Just to make sure there’s no error from LGF on your system either…

180 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:11:58pm

re: #177 TedStriker

That what’s vexing me; maybe our Barracuda blacklist did get updated at about the same time you added the Getty functionality, because that’s when my issues started, but I don’t know. I can’t exactly go to my IT folks about this, because some personal goofing-off on the internets is tolerated as long as it doesn’t affect our work or our network, but the less scrutiny I get from them on this stuff, the better.

It’s a hell of a coincidence, though.

i think it must be an unintended side effect of at work browsing policy software changes, though - if they really meant to block lgf, wouldn’t any access of the site result in a ‘blocked’ message?

181 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:12:58pm
182 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:13:41pm

re: #178 Kragar

I would have to say a person is more likely to be born with a genetic disposition towards a sexual orientation than with a genetic disposition to a certain set of religious beliefs.

That scores about a 9.6 on the understatement Olympics (the Russian judge in my head is being contrarian).

183 Jack Burton  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:15:41pm

re: #181 Kragar

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Youtube Video

184 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:16:26pm
185 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:16:39pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Franklin Graham should lose his tax exempt status for meddling in politics like he does.

Well hey…Pat Robertson actually ran for president in 1988 (and finished ahead of George H.W. Bush in Iowa!) without losing his.

186 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:17:20pm

re: #181 Kragar

I’m not a nice person. An anti-Christain holocaust would be far too rewarding and gratifying to anti-gay nutcases that seek some kind of martyrdom for their faith.

Instead, I want them to live to a ripe old age and watch as their ideas join Soviet Communism on the dungheap of history.

187 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:17:56pm

re: #181 Kragar

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Something for fundy, dudebro, and wingnut conspira-liars (among others) to think about: If they succeed in their cherished fantasy of bringing down the federal government, the Constitution goes down with it.
Do these fools really think they would survive, let alone prosper, in a world where federal power did not stand ready to defend their First Amendment right to spout offensive bullshit? They would be shooting each other in the street within hours.

188 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:19:06pm

re: #186 EPR-radar

I’m not a nice person. An anti-Christain holocaust would be far too rewarding and gratifying to anti-gay nutcases that seek some kind of martyrdom for their faith.

Instead, I want them to live to a ripe old age and watch as their ideas join Soviet Communism on the dungheap of history.

The scariest conspiracy for them is the fact that no one really gives a shit about them enough to conspire against them.

189 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:21:10pm

re: #185 bratwurst

Hey, I’ve been saving something for you:


Links to his blog, which links to his FB page. I don’t always agree with his words, but his photos are great. He was in Syria, but recently relocated for some reason….

190 EPR-radar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:21:52pm

re: #188 Kragar

The scariest conspiracy for them is the fact that no one really gives a shit about them enough to conspire against them.

The main grievance of the anti-gay crowd is that changing public views on the subject are in the process of denying them one of their very favorite scapegoats.

191 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:22:49pm
192 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:24:01pm
193 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:24:14pm

re: #181 Kragar

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These “Christian holocaust” claims are among the longest lived of current conspiracy theories. Back in the 70s, the same insane preacher who performed the Dodge exorcism told me he had it on good authority that weapons had been stockpiled on farms around the state prison in Huntsville. The plan was for the prisoners to be released in a fake breakout, after which they would seize the weapons and fan out across the countryside to slaughter all true Christians. The authorities would provide them with comprehensive lists and maps for this purpose.

194 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:25:14pm

Testing…

195 Kragar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:26:21pm

re: #194 TedStriker

Testing…

BATTLE OF KURSK!

1082!

The kiwi.

Fuck, I hate tests.

196 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:27:59pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

Hey, I’ve been saving something for you:

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Links to his blog, which links to his FB page. I don’t always agree with his words, but his photos are great. He was in Syria, but recently relocated for some reason….

Cheers! Things have about 8 weeks to mellow out there before I arrive.

197 Pie-onist Overlord  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:28:13pm
198 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:31:02pm

re: #193 Shiplord Kirel

These “Christian holocaust” claims are among the longest lived of current conspiracy theories. Back in the 70s, the same insane preacher who performed the Dodge exorcism told me he had it on good authority that weapons had been stockpiled on farms around the state prison in Huntsville. The plan was for the prisoners to be released in a fake breakout, after which they would seize the weapons and fan out across the countryside to slaughter all true Christians. The authorities would provide them with comprehensive lists and maps for this purpose.

Anybody who doesn’t click through when you link your old comments is missing out.

199 Jack Burton  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:32:27pm

re: #197 Pie-onist Overlord

There was only one pi day and it was in 1593 (with proper rounding).

200 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:37:38pm


Tip: If your sports team is actually made up of mostly Native Americans, it’s OK to call them the Chieftains. (Also OK if it was made up of an Irish musical group, I suppose.)

201 blueraven  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:38:33pm

Sharp Changes in Altitude and Course After Jet Lost Contact

New York Times

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 experienced significant changes in altitude after it lost contact with ground control, and altered its course more than once as if still under the command of a pilot, American officials and others familiar with the investigation said Friday.

Radar signals recorded by the Malaysian military appear to show the missing airliner climbing to 45,000 feet, above the approved altitude limit for a Boeing 777-200, soon after it disappeared from civilian radar and made a sharp turn to the west, according to a preliminary assessment by a person familiar with the data.


The radar track, which the Malaysian government has not released but says it has provided to the United States and China, then shows the plane descending unevenly to an altitude of 23,000 feet, below normal cruising levels, as it approached the densely populated island of Penang, one of the country’s largest. There, the plane turned from a southwest-bound course, climbed to a higher altitude and flew northwest over the Strait of Malacca toward the Indian Ocean.


Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines that shows it descending 40,000 feet in the space of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would likely have taken longer to fall such a distance.

202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:38:43pm

re: #181 Kragar

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These people want to be like Holocaust victims so badly. Imagine their shock that gay people just want to be left the hell alone by them.

203 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:41:24pm

re: #201 blueraven

Investigators have also examined data transmitted from the plane’s Rolls-Royce engines that shows it descending 40,000 feet in the space of a minute, according to a senior American official briefed on the investigation. But investigators do not believe the readings are accurate because the aircraft would likely have taken longer to fall such a distance.

I wonder whether a detached engine would be more likely to fall that fast.

204 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:44:05pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

I wonder whether a detached engine would be more likely to fall that fast.

IF one were detached the rest of the plane would be falling that quickly too.

205 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:45:24pm

re: #204 William Barnett-Lewis

IF one were detached the rest of the plane would be falling that quickly too.

But with more air resistance for larger parts. I picture an engine falling rather aerodynamically.

206 blueraven  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:46:26pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

I wonder whether a detached engine would be more likely to fall that fast.

More

“A lot of stock cannot be put in the altitude data” sent from the engines, one official said. “A lot of this doesn’t make sense.”

The data, while incomplete and difficult to interpret, could still provide critical new clues as investigators try to determine what transpired on Flight 370, which disappeared early last Saturday carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

207 abolitionist  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:50:33pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

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I’ll speculate that you’ve de-weaponized a pingback fn.
Blogs of War: Don’t Be Cannon Fodder

208 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:55:09pm
209 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 2:57:12pm
210 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:02:24pm
211 piratedan  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:04:40pm

re: #210 bratwurst

at least not any more than Newt can control his libido…

212 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:13:53pm

re: #205 wrenchwench

But with more air resistance for larger parts. I picture an engine falling rather aerodynamically.

But with no fuel and thus no power to with which to broadcast data. Kind of doubt they put batteries on those things just so a dead, detached engine can broadcast its new life as a ballistic device.

213 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:16:39pm

re: #212 goddamnedfrank

But with no fuel and thus no power to with which to broadcast data. Kind of doubt they put batteries on those things just so a dead, detached engine can broadcast its new life as a ballistic device.

Exactly. Of course that leaves us once again wondering what the heck happened.

214 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:18:04pm

re: #207 abolitionist

I’ll speculate that you’ve de-weaponized a pingback fn.
Blogs of War: Don’t Be Cannon Fodder

No, nothing like that - LGF doesn’t use WordPress.

215 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:22:13pm

You never realize how much crap piles up in your house until you have family coming over.

216 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:23:34pm

re: #151 RadicalModerate

This is just wrong, and is wrong on more than one level.

$600,000 stolen from Joel Osteen’s megachurch

Given Osteen’s reputation for extravagance, I wonder how much of that $600K went toward church expenses and actual ministry, and how much of it went toward his family’s multi-million dollar (and almost fully tax-exempt) salaries?

edit: I should also mention that this donation money was fully insured, so Osteen isn’t losing a penny of this.

Maybe God got tired of waiting for His cut and grabbed it. That would reduce the amount Osteen owes Him to around $20,000,000.

217 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:24:17pm

Charles, this is what shows in the Inspect Element window when I loaded the current thread; the last little bit under ‘Uncaught ReferenceError’ happened when I hit the New Comments button when it showed new posts, at which time, I got the Spinning Wheel of Doom that wouldn’t clear without a full refresh.

However, if I hit the New Comments button when it doesn’t show new posts, the button/page acts normally; the Spinning Wheel spins and the button greys out for a second, then returns to normal.

218 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:24:48pm

re: #210 bratwurst

Oohh. Is this the Newtster’s Outrage Of The Day?

219 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:26:34pm

re: #175 Justanotherhuman

No one is born much of anything except a blank slate.

I was born to boogie.

220 Skip Intro  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:26:50pm

re: #191 Kragar

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Dumpf is just like Palin. He will only take the position if it’s given to him sans competition. Also, it doesn’t include a crown.

221 bratwurst  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:28:51pm

re: #218 Skip Intro

Oohh. Is this the Newtster’s Outrage Of The Day?

Just heard Wolf say that the continuing factually sparse coverage of the missing plane is pre-empting Crossfire for at least the second time this week. I am hopeful this means that the show is well on its way to a richly deserved permanent cancellation. Then again, it took over 3 full years of Piers Morgan getting anemic ratings for him to get the axe.

222 urbanmeemaw  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:30:10pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

That tweet is begging for a Pie-Onist Overlord “HURR HURR”.

What the hell is he babbling about?

223 darthstar  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:30:12pm

re: #151 RadicalModerate

This is just wrong, and is wrong on more than one level.

$600,000 stolen from Joel Osteen’s megachurch

Given Osteen’s reputation for extravagance, I wonder how much of that $600K went toward church expenses and actual ministry, and how much of it went toward his family’s multi-million dollar (and almost fully tax-exempt) salaries?

edit: I should also mention that this donation money was fully insured, so Osteen isn’t losing a penny of this.

He should be able to parlay that into about 3,000,000 in sympathy donations. 43,500 people attend every week. That’s only about $17 a person to make up 600K, and figure he’ll milk it for at least three weeks as they’re not doing the math, so average donations should be even higher.

224 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:31:33pm

re: #217 TedStriker

Charles, this is what shows in the Inspect Element window when I loaded the current thread; the last little bit under ‘Uncaught ReferenceError’ happened when I hit the New Comments button when it showed new posts, at which time, I got the Spinning Wheel of Doom that wouldn’t clear without a full refresh.

[Embedded image]

However, if I hit the New Comments button when it doesn’t show new posts, the button page acts normally; the Spinning Wheel spins for a second and the button greys out, then returns to normal in a second.

Well, there you go … if “twttr is undefined,” that means the Twitter widgets script was blocked from loading. That must be the change that just happened, because that script is loaded from Twitter’s server.

I may be able to fix it, but it means you’re not going to see embedded tweets or some other Twitter features as well.

225 The War TARDIS  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:32:23pm

Has there been any news on what the heck is up with the data we got on Flight 370?

226 dog philosopher  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:35:16pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Well, there you go … if “twttr is undefined,” that means the Twitter widgets script was blocked from loading. That must be the change that just happened, because that script is loaded from Twitter’s server.

I may be able to fix it, but it means you’re not going to see embedded tweets or some other Twitter features as well.

there ya go

according to policy here, you may tweet not, neither may you face the book, but lo, the lgf is but little constrained thereby

227 urbanmeemaw  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:36:36pm

re: #50 Bulworth

From the same warm, wonderful guys that ran their respective networks into the ground. Please proceed.

228 TedStriker  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:38:08pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

Well, there you go … if “twttr is undefined,” that means the Twitter widgets script was blocked from loading. That must be the change that just happened, because that script is loaded from Twitter’s server.

I may be able to fix it, but it means you’re not going to see embedded tweets or some other Twitter features as well.

Well, that’s just odd, but if that’s what’s causing my issues, I suppose I have to live with it here at work and get my full, unmolested LGF experience at home, because LGF doesn’t need to lose functionality because of me and a few (apparent) edge cases.

229 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 14, 2014 3:39:20pm

re: #228 TedStriker

Well, that’s just odd, but if that’s what’s causing my issues, I suppose I have to live with it here at work and get my full, unmolested LGF experience at home, because LGF doesn’t need to lose functionality because of me and a few (apparent) edge cases.

If you reload now it shouldn’t be freezing up any more.


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