You might have seen this one, but I hadn’t before this afternoon. Reggie Watts makes fun of TED Talks — or does he? — and ends up giving one of the best TED Talks ever.
Andy Kaufman would approve.
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EPR-radar May 9, 2014 6:12:14pm |
re: #2 darthstar
It’s funny how the dog’s attention to the letter opener ends up looking like apprehension.
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dog philosopher May 9, 2014 6:13:06pm |
re: #1 Charles Johnson
it’s the expressions on their furry little faces that really makes the picture…
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Charles Johnson May 9, 2014 6:14:54pm |
re: #5 dog philosopher
it’s the expressions on their furry little faces that really makes the picture…
For me it’s the little red bell.
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Gus May 9, 2014 6:21:58pm |
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freetoken May 9, 2014 6:29:14pm |
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Killgore Trout May 9, 2014 6:34:55pm |
Wow, close call
U.S. Officers Kill Armed Civilians in Yemen Capital
A United States Special Operations commando and a Central Intelligence Agency officer in Yemen shot and killed two armed Yemeni civilians who tried to kidnap them while the Americans were in a barber shop in the country’s capital two weeks ago, American officials said on Friday.
The two Americans were whisked out of the volatile Middle East nation within a few days of the shooting, with the blessing of the Yemeni government, two senior American officials said.
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Skip Intro May 9, 2014 6:36:43pm |
re: #7 darthstar
What gives me warm and fuzzy feelings about MLB is that even though I’m at least 200 miles away from both LA and SF, MLB has made them my home teams so I get blacked out whenever they play each other.
Isn’t FREEDUM great!
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teleskiguy May 9, 2014 6:38:24pm |
Monica Lewinsky, for some dumb reason, is back in the news. Here's Mad Magazine's take in Jan. '99. http://t.co/mw8KZ7JCfg— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) May 9, 2014
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Killgore Trout May 9, 2014 6:42:11pm |
Buried at the very end of the article…
In subsequent news reports, however, unidentified Yemeni security officials attributed the shootings to various suspects, including a well-trained American citizen with a licensed weapon and a Russian specialist in the oil sector.
Interesting.
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Gus May 9, 2014 6:45:29pm |
re: #18 Killgore Trout
Buried at the very end of the article…
Interesting.
It’s the NY Times. They’re always 100 percent accurate. //
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freetoken May 9, 2014 6:47:21pm |
re: #17 teleskiguy
Monica is back in the news because of Hillary.
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Skip Intro May 9, 2014 6:49:18pm |
re: #20 freetoken
Monica is back in the news because of Hillary.
That means it won’t be long before the House creates a select committee to investigate the murder of Vince Foster and how Hillary did it.
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Stanley Sea May 9, 2014 6:49:33pm |
re: #20 freetoken
Monica is back in the news because of Hillary.
“Hey Girl, you aren’t qualified to be prez because your husband had an affair!
GOP outreach to women.
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Killgore Trout May 9, 2014 6:50:01pm |
re: #19 Gus
It’s the NY Times. They’re always 100 percent accurate. //
…and they’re just repeating claims from the local press. Interesting possibility though.
But it sure looks like things are going to shit in Yemen lately.
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jaunte May 9, 2014 6:52:17pm |
a Russian specialist in the oil sector
With a golden gun.
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Killgore Trout May 9, 2014 6:52:43pm |
I wonder if the increase of activity in Yemen is from the Al Qaeda drawdown in forces fighting Assad.
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freetoken May 9, 2014 6:53:02pm |
I wonder if Benghazi is part of the National Park Service?
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Gus May 9, 2014 6:54:03pm |
Happy Victory Day Russia. Here's the current US Navy submarine fleet. Source: Raytheon. pic.twitter.com/bJMymorinA— Gus (@Gus_802) May 10, 2014
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Stanley Sea May 9, 2014 6:54:27pm |
I wonder what happened to the people in the balloon.
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Gus May 9, 2014 6:55:42pm |
re: #25 Killgore Trout
I wonder if the increase of activity in Yemen is from the Al Qaeda drawdown in forces fighting Assad.
In any case. Nice shooting on the part of embassy personal. Whoever they were.
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Gus May 9, 2014 6:57:12pm |
re: #28 Stanley Sea
I wonder what happened to the people in the balloon.
Looks like they’re still missing. Search underway.
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freetoken May 9, 2014 6:57:44pm |
Meanwhile, earlier today:
Claudia Winkleman replaces Sir Bruce on Strictly Come Dancing
Will Britain survive having two female co-hosts on their leading show?
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Charles Johnson May 9, 2014 6:58:17pm |
Which Republican will be the first to bring up Vince Foster? You know it's coming.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) May 10, 2014
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Killgore Trout May 9, 2014 6:58:56pm |
re: #29 Gus
In any case. Nice shooting on the part of embassy personal. Whoever they were.
Training paid off. A commando and a CIA officer would have been very valuable hostages. Luckily the attackers lost.
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Shiplord Kirel May 9, 2014 6:59:53pm |
re: #28 Stanley Sea
I wonder what happened to the people in the balloon.
Still no word but it looks very bad for them.
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Gus May 9, 2014 7:01:25pm |
PDF of USN fleet here.
It’s huge. Well, the file is kind of big too for some connections.
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Lidane May 9, 2014 7:02:41pm |
Arkansas judge strikes down gay marriage ban http://t.co/HHh8ocgV9z— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) May 9, 2014
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Skip Intro May 9, 2014 7:03:22pm |
re: #33 Charles Johnson
Fox just needs to interview Christine O’Donnell.
“Bill Clinton is charged of — for much more serious accounts of fraud than a mistake that Newt Gingrich got in. If you examine almost anybody’s tax records you can find something to charge them on. I hate to admit, but taxes are very complicated, so you can find something to bring almost anybody.
“And then there’s also the issue of murder with Vincent Foster. That’s a much more serious charge than failing to seek legal advice, and yet we’re all just blowing that off, and everybody’s trying to focus on Newt Gingrich like a witch hunt, to bring him to the stake and burn him, because they don’t like the policy that he’s behind. And unfortunately, the policy that he reps works, so if you can’t attack the policy, they’re trying to attack the man behind it.”
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Stanley Sea May 9, 2014 7:03:26pm |
re: #35 Shiplord Kirel
Still no word but it looks very bad for them.
I’ve been up 3 times. Beautiful.
My Mom’s friend died in a crash in one in Zimbabwe.
They are so wonderful to be in, but there are accidents.
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Shiplord Kirel May 9, 2014 7:04:55pm |
Live stream, balloon crash press conference
3 people on board, wreckage not located yet.
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Stanley Sea May 9, 2014 7:06:16pm |
re: #40 Shiplord Kirel
Live stream, balloon crash press conference
3 people on board, wreckage not located yet.
3 is way better than the usual 8 or so……..
but still.
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Stanley Sea May 9, 2014 7:07:13pm |
re: #40 Shiplord Kirel
Live stream, balloon crash press conference
3 people on board, wreckage not located yet.
Their mic is live.
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Shiplord Kirel May 9, 2014 7:08:10pm |
re: #42 Stanley Sea
Their mic is live.
The presser is over, looks like they turned the video off but forgot about audio.
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Shiplord Kirel May 9, 2014 7:10:16pm |
There are storms in the Richmond area, which complicates the search since they can’t get their aviation assets up yet.
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Varek Raith May 9, 2014 7:12:18pm |
Dear CNN,
Remote controlled hobby airplanes are not ‘drones’.
e_e
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Gus May 9, 2014 7:20:29pm |
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calochortus May 9, 2014 7:23:12pm |
Just saw some coverage of Obama’s Walmart stop. That store has been polished (and stocked) within an inch of its life.
It’s the local one for me that I’ve quit going to at all because they never had what I wanted.
I’ve never been a huge Walmart shopper, but would occasionally go there to get a few wildly disparate items and avoid having to make 3 or 4 separate stops. But for the last year or two, if they had sunscreen, they’d be out of plant fertilizer and pencils, and only have the wrong size watch batteries. I suppose I’d better rush over before they slip back into their old stupor. Or not.
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Gus May 9, 2014 7:23:53pm |
re: #47 Varek Raith
Dear CNN,
Remote controlled hobby airplanes are not ‘drones’.
e_e
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Gus May 9, 2014 7:31:54pm |
re: #55 Varek Raith
And/or drone.
Yep. Drone is actually a mistake as well. They’re really UAVs or CUAVs. Drone is from unmanned target drones.
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freetoken May 9, 2014 7:32:36pm |
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Varek Raith May 9, 2014 7:32:37pm |
During most of that segement I thought they were refering to a military drone. You know, predators, global hawk etc.
Not a jet powered F-4 model air plane.
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Gus May 9, 2014 7:34:57pm |
re: #58 Varek Raith
During most of that segement I thought they were refering to a military drone. You know, predators, global hawk etc.
Not a jet powered F-4 model air plane.
What segment?
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freetoken May 9, 2014 7:35:17pm |
The new “normal”:
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De Kolta Chair May 9, 2014 7:35:51pm |
I can understand why my TED Talk, “Vladimir Nabokov, James Joyce and Jerry Lewis: Boobs or Bust” was considered too controversial, but setting it alight in Robson Square, Vancouver was perhaps a bit excessive.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 9, 2014 7:37:21pm |
re: #57 freetoken
New CNN headline:
Are investigators looking for Flight 370 in the wrong ocean?
Yes, really.
It’s in the Atlantic, off the coast of Atlantis! It’s in the Pacific, off the coast of Bali Hai! It’s …
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Skip Intro May 9, 2014 7:39:03pm |
re: #57 freetoken
New CNN headline:
Are investigators looking for Flight 370 in the wrong ocean?
Yes, really.
Why is no one looking on the moon? It’s the only place that makes sense. Let’s get Blitzer dressed up as an astronaut and wander across the holodeck looking for clues.
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jaunte May 9, 2014 7:41:27pm |
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freetoken May 9, 2014 7:42:25pm |
I was under the impression that Fox Nation ceased to exist, but I was wrong:
Clinton Brings Up Vince Foster’s Suicide At The National Council For Behavioral Health
Yes, “Vince Foster” is in play.
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RealityBasedSteve May 9, 2014 7:42:45pm |
re: #62 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
It’s in the Atlantic, off the coast of Atlantis! It’s in the Pacific, off the coast of Bali Hai! It’s …
I think it might be in the big tupperware container on the bottom shelf of my fridge, the one way back behind the soda cans. It’s been there quite a while now, and I’m a little afraid to look in it to see what it is.
It COULD be the missing plane…
RBS
… or probably just some old ribs.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 9, 2014 7:47:00pm |
re: #69 RealityBasedSteve
I think it might be in the big tupperware container on the bottom shelf of my fridge, the one way back behind the soda cans. It’s been there quite a while now, and I’m a little afraid to look in it to see what it is.
It COULD be the missing plane…
RBS
… or probably just some old ribs.
The wreckage is more than a mile under water, so deep that submersibles cannot get near it. So it’s no wonder they haven’t found the plane. Credible news orgs would accept the fact that news-worthy updates from the search will be few and far between, and move on. CNN, on the other hand, is like a bulldog playing with his favorite chew toy.
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Rightwingconspirator May 9, 2014 7:47:16pm |
re: #60 freetoken
The new “normal”:
Okay that wolf face in fire was pretty impressive. On interesting exercise is set your camera to catch faces. Aim it at the clouds with a wide angle lens and watch the fun.
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Gus May 9, 2014 7:49:17pm |
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Varek Raith May 9, 2014 7:50:44pm |
re: #74 Gus
Thanks. Yeah, these dummies shouldn’t be flying in airspace. Not a drone. It’s like you don’t fly an RC model airplane at the end of an active runway. When I did model rockets as a kid we also needed a license. It came with rules.
Same here.
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Gus May 9, 2014 7:51:40pm |
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Lidane May 9, 2014 8:01:42pm |
re: #60 freetoken
The new “normal”:
That’s because a bunch of people bought the toaster:
I love the first review:
This is PERFECT for making tuna fish sandwiches, but be sure to use Miracle Whip to keep things authentic.
Okay, it’s a little on the light side, but if you only use it on Sunday mornings for a little communion at home with your mimosa, it should work just fine for a good while. It’s also great for raucous Baptist fondue parties as well. I would recommend using white bread for the best image, as using whole grain tends to make Jesus look like he has zits. The really great thing about this toaster is that you can make your purchase price back (or whenever you need some quick cash) by selling a piece of Jesus image miracle toast on E-bay or Craig’s List. A fun suggestion is to sneak a piece of the toast in on an evangelical church pot luck dinner. I almost guarantee at least one fainting spell.
However, I am a bit confused about how the image can possibly be of the Man himself, since he never sat for a portrait that we know of. I mean, how do we know this image isn’t just based on some hippie from the 60’s, or a generic guy with Caucasian Semite features from the old days. I guess ya just have to have some faith…
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freetoken May 9, 2014 8:07:36pm |
re: #77 Lidane
Not all buyers gave it 5 stars:
I got this for my parents as a gag gift for Christmas, they never used it and now they think I’m weird. They ask me why would I want to eat toast with Jesus on it. They than gave me a lecture on how they didn’t raise me to be a cannibal. Than after a long slide show presentation with disturbing pictures of cannibals, I left and cried myself to sleep that day.
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Mattand May 9, 2014 8:20:06pm |
Larry Wilmore to replace Colbert on Comedy Central
Comedy Central said Friday that Wilmore will host “The Minority Report” at 11:30 each weeknight. An African-American, Wilmore will add a different perspective to a late-night landscape dominated by white males.
This is effing brilliant.
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Kragar May 9, 2014 8:20:15pm |
A challenger appears…
The only one here who even brought up the far left is you, dipshit @nc_fn_guy @SlavLibertarian— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) May 10, 2014
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Mattand May 9, 2014 8:20:31pm |
Can I also add how much I hate the Phillies’ bullpen right now?
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Gus May 9, 2014 8:21:41pm |
re: #81 Kragar
A challenger appears…
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That’s ironic considering the far-left has a lot in common with libertarians.
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Stanley Sea May 9, 2014 8:22:20pm |
re: #81 Kragar
A challenger appears…
[Embedded content]
Either, OR.
Pitiful people so painted into their own Fox News propaganda box.
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William Barnett-Lewis May 9, 2014 8:26:18pm |
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Varek Raith May 9, 2014 8:29:19pm |
re: #83 Gus
That’s ironic considering the far-left has a lot in common with libertarians.
dudebros, yo.
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William Barnett-Lewis May 9, 2014 8:31:52pm |
So, good show tonight. If you ever hear of the band “Communist Daughter” playing near you, go see them. Kind of like a cross between late period Replacements (the last 2 albums, say) and Bon Iver but with that basic midwestern Indy band vibe all over the place. Husband & wife as lead singers & he’s the songwriter going on 3 1/2 years sober with a taste for sad lyrics. The musics good and wordsmithing good enough to get away with it.
Ended up being a good consumer and bought both disks they were selling.
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Gus May 9, 2014 8:38:42pm |
RT @theCaGuard: 163d Reconnaissance Wing says farewell to Predator and welcomes the Reaper @AirNatlGuard pic.twitter.com/ueSg5ORJ95— U.S. Air Force (@usairforce) May 10, 2014
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jaunte May 9, 2014 8:44:07pm |
re: #88 Gus
I’ve been up close to one of those things in a very similar hangar in New Mexico. You wouldn’t mistake it for an rc helicopter.
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Lidane May 9, 2014 8:49:32pm |
This should get the nutters ranting and raving:
Pope: The Bible demands the redistribution of wealth http://t.co/LW38QXVWGp— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) May 10, 2014
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Gus May 9, 2014 8:51:00pm |
Also here: Debunked: “UFO” Attacking Taliban Video http://t.co/V6xalL63HV Cripes. UFO peeps are so dorky.— Gus (@Gus_802) May 10, 2014
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Gus May 9, 2014 8:51:34pm |
re: #91 Lidane
This should get the nutters ranting and raving:
[Embedded content]
I believe in the distribution of wealth.
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Feline Fearless Leader May 9, 2014 9:16:38pm |
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Stanley Sea May 9, 2014 9:21:01pm |
re: #91 Lidane
This should get the nutters ranting and raving:
[Embedded content]
The Pope and Obama. They are on the right side.
And yes, fuel for the hatriots.
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Varek Raith May 9, 2014 9:37:50pm |
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Amory Blaine May 9, 2014 9:40:29pm |
Heh. An Alex Jones droid app needs geo-location permission.
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prairiefire May 9, 2014 9:42:30pm |
“There ya are Norton. The people. Try to lick that.”
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The War TARDIS May 9, 2014 9:50:38pm |
I just figured out who Greenwald reminds me of. The slimy journalist in the Series 7 episode of NCIS, “The Inside Man.”
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freetoken May 9, 2014 10:21:51pm |
Photographer tells sceptics sea eagle picture is no fake
A PHOTOGRAPHER who pictured a sea eagle carrying off a lamb has responded to those who cast doubts on its authenticity, saying there were 20 eye witnesses to the event.
You be the judge:
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Amory Blaine May 9, 2014 10:27:27pm |
After The Final Cut I haz a sad. Then Gilmour released About Face
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SteveMcGazi May 9, 2014 11:35:25pm |
re: #103 Amory Blaine
I never warmed up to The Final Cut. I like to wonder whether the Pink Floyd boys knew what they were getting when they hired him to sort of fill in for Syd Barrett. My money says they had no idea they hired one of the all time greats.
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Amory Blaine May 10, 2014 1:30:09am |
This *would* be cool.
This Parking Lot Is Paved With Solar Panels
If this could work in the wild it would be awesome. Heated roads, led road markers, NFC style EV recharging and electrical generation.
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Shiplord Kirel May 10, 2014 4:28:13am |
re: #92 Gus
[Embedded content]
Why is anyone trying to conceal our government’s new and very useful relationship with the “visitors?” I’m okay with it: Zapping the Taliban beats the hell out of cattle rustling.
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JustMark May 10, 2014 4:41:43am |
re: #112 Shiplord Kirel
Why are the pics always blurry? I got better shots of the Blue Angels with my cheap Kodak digital… Maybe it’s some alien stealth blurring tech?
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 4:50:42am |
Is it really civil war, or is it Russian-backed insurgence?
Shocking footage in #Mariupol shows nervous soldiers use deadly force. #Ukraine is edging ever closer to civil war. http://t.co/8hRsSFp6U8
— Harriet Salem (@HarrietSalem) May 10, 2014
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lawhawk May 10, 2014 4:51:53am |
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 4:52:10am |
And elections are just 2 weeks away. What will the Russian ‘baggers do to prevent voting?
In joint statement, France and Germany say they will draw ‘appropriate consequences’ if May 25 Ukrainian presidential election does not occur - @Reuters
end of alert
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 4:54:02am |
Letter handed out at lenin sq in #Donetsk: 'WWll we fought German fascism, now fighting Ukrainian + US fascism' pic.twitter.com/yEMeJI2XDb
— Kristina Jovanovski (@kjovano) May 9, 2014
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 4:57:22am |
Sorry, but democracy is not achieved at the end of a gun barrel. This is pure Russian expansionism.
'People's Republic of #Donetsk' election commission official with ballot for tomorrow #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/Xg9m5es5vc
— Kristina Jovanovski (@kjovano) May 10, 2014
Armoured vehicle with Russian,Soviet + 'Donetsk Republic' flag in front of occupied building in #Donetsk pic.twitter.com/UKTYGd5muy
— Kristina Jovanovski (@kjovano) May 10, 2014
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 5:12:06am |
re: #117 Justanotherhuman
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Folks in that part of the world do sure love to hurl the word “fascist” around. It reminds me of George Orwell’s essay on the use of the word fascist as an epithet.
ETA: If you read Orwell’s essay, you’ll see the idea that of “liberal (or left of center) fascism” isn’t anything new, and Jonah Goldberg didn’t come up with it on his own - it’s actually an idea that’s been around for quite awhile.
Socialists: Defenders of old-style capitalism (example, Sir Ernest Benn) maintain that Socialism and Fascism are the same thing. Some Catholic journalists maintain that Socialists have been the principal collaborators in the Nazi-occupied countries. The same accusation is made from a different angle by the Communist party during its ultra-Left phases. In the period 1930-35 the Daily Worker habitually referred to the Labour Party as the Labour Fascists. This is echoed by other Left extremists such as Anarchists. Some Indian Nationalists consider the British trade unions to be Fascist organizations.
Communists: A considerable school of thought (examples, Rauschning, Peter Drucker, James Burnham, F. A. Voigt) refuses to recognize a difference between the Nazi and Soviet régimes, and holds that all Fascists and Communists are aiming at approximately the same thing and are even to some extent the same people. Leaders in The Times (pre-war) have referred to the U.S.S.R. as a ‘Fascist country’. Again from a different angle this is echoed by Anarchists and Trotskyists.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 5:35:45am |
re: #119 Dr Lizardo
In other words, they really didn’t know what it means then, any more than they do now.
Fascist = communist = socialist = anything we don’t like
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 5:49:07am |
re: #120 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
In other words, they really didn’t know what it means then, any more than they do now.
Fascist = communist = socialist = anything we don’t like
Yep. As Orwell put it,
“By ‘Fascism’ they mean, roughly speaking, something cruel, unscrupulous, arrogant, obscurantist, anti-liberal and anti-working-class. Except for the relatively small number of Fascist sympathizers, almost any English person would accept ‘bully’ as a synonym for ‘Fascist’. That is about as near to a definition as this much-abused word has come.”
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 5:50:58am |
Also from Orwell’s essay on ‘What is Fascism?’, this little gem:
It will be seen that, as used, the word ‘Fascism’ is almost entirely meaningless. In conversation, of course, it is used even more wildly than in print. I have heard it applied to farmers, shopkeepers, Social Credit, corporal punishment, fox-hunting, bull-fighting, the 1922 Committee, the 1941 Committee, Kipling, Gandhi, Chiang Kai-Shek, homosexuality, Priestley’s broadcasts, Youth Hostels, astrology, women, dogs and I do not know what else.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 5:52:34am |
re: #119 Dr Lizardo
Folks in that part of the world do sure love to hurl the word “fascist” around. It reminds me of George Orwell’s essay on the use of the word fascist as an epithet.
ETA: If you read Orwell’s essay, you’ll see the idea that of “liberal (or left of center) fascism” isn’t anything new, and Jonah Goldberg didn’t come up with it on his own - it’s actually an idea that’s been around for quite awhile.
Praxis in most “communist” countries never fully adhere to Marxist theory at any rate. Also, conservative authoritarianism and the “dictatorship” of the proletariat often converge. And fascism itself eschews any recognition of classes, preferring to engineer all sectors of society to adhere to fascist ideals, from the poorest to the richest. It’s why nationalism, racism, eugenics, etc are always inherent in fascism. But while communism openly touts revolution, fascism is trickier—by promoting fascist ideals to the majority race alone it can, under the guise of “nationalism” achieve its goals of power, even though it will, like communism, eventually fail. Conservative authoritarianism and the “dictatorship” of the proleteriat often converge.
It wouldn’t surprise me if individuals like Putin can easily go from communism (as a KGB agent of the State) to fascism for his own goals as a powerful leader of a vast country, since crossing the point of convergence of fascism/communism often happens. I’ve seen it happen even among former friends who were die-hard commies back in the ’60s era and eventually revolted against what they saw as “excess”. Besides, they eventually had to make a living and saw those politics as “losing”. Some were able to transition back into liberal and progressive politics as times changed, though.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 5:53:40am |
re: #122 Dr Lizardo
Also from Orwell’s essay on ‘What is Fascism?’, this little gem:
Grammar fascist?
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Feline Fearless Leader May 10, 2014 5:53:44am |
re: #120 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
In other words, they really didn’t know what it means then, any more than they do now.
Fascist = communist = socialist = anything we don’t like
‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
- Through the Looking Glass
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Feline Fearless Leader May 10, 2014 5:57:25am |
Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don’t do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don’t stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape
- “Crosseyed and Painless” - Talking Heads
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NJDhockeyfan May 10, 2014 6:00:47am |
Gun shop in central #Mariupol raided last night. Stock all gone. Charred mannequin rests outside. Creepy. pic.twitter.com/z9M1daZ4S3— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) May 10, 2014
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NJDhockeyfan May 10, 2014 6:03:33am |
Upon the US request Romania has closed its air space for my plane. Ukraine doesn't allow me to pass through (cont) http://t.co/A7u6oBukmQ— Dmitry Rogozin (@DRogozin) May 10, 2014
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 6:10:14am |
re: #128 NJDhockeyfan
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He is Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister of Defense Industries.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 6:18:10am |
Our staff and #Ukraine Red Cross volunteers taken and interrogated last night by a local armed group in #Donetsk were let go shortly.— ICRC (@ICRC) May 10, 2014
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NJDhockeyfan May 10, 2014 6:23:20am |
From guard notepad: #Yanukovych spent many hours for face & body massage http://t.co/bqesONb8Jk @Leshchenkos | EMPR pic.twitter.com/vRXd9fqjbB— Euromaidan PR (@EuromaidanPR) May 10, 2014
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 6:28:08am |
Looks like GG is going to be on a speaking tour for the next couple of months.
In NYC: I'll be doing my 1st event for “No Place to Hide” - with Matt Taibbi - on Tuesday night, 7pm, at Cooper Union http://t.co/Iogsm9DZ5r— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) May 9, 2014
He’ll be on the West Coast in June.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 6:33:38am |
re: #132 Justanotherhuman
So, not much activity on The Intercept for a while longer
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b.d. May 10, 2014 6:34:04am |
re: #132 Justanotherhuman
I ran into an out of town friend last weekend and during our bs’ing he remarked that “can you believe they didn’t arrest Greenwald when he came to the US?
I asked him what they would have arrested him for and there was a long, long bit of silence then a slight change of subject.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 6:34:52am |
re: #133 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
So, not much activity on The Intercept for a while longer
I think The Intercept was pretty much stillborn.
Egos, first and foremost.
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b.d. May 10, 2014 6:35:21am |
re: #133 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
So, not much activity on The Intercept for a while longer
ME AND MY FRIENDS NEED OUR CHECKS PIERRE, DON’T BE ASKING US TO DO ANYTHING FOR IT EITHER!!
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b.d. May 10, 2014 6:39:59am |
re: #135 Justanotherhuman
I think The Intercept was pretty much stillborn.
Egos, first and foremost.
OUR STAFF OF 16 HAVE ALREADY WRITTEN TWO WEB POSTS THIS MONTH, GET OFF OUR ASS YOU DROOLING IMPERIALIST SYCOPHANT!!1!
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darthstar May 10, 2014 6:48:58am |
Florida Man Arrested After Posting Selfie of Himself Dealing Drugs Next to Cop Car on Facebook | http://t.co/NCoKsxZCgs— Florida Man (@_FloridaMan) May 10, 2014
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lawhawk May 10, 2014 6:49:58am |
re: #136 b.d.
Don’t hound me, bro! My writing is a work of art. It takes time to perfect. And this kind of writing costs, so unless you want subpar product, show me the money.
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darthstar May 10, 2014 6:51:12am |
Hilarious watching investors chase nonsense social media stocks while the entirety of the US electricity complex is being transformed.— Downtown Josh Brown (@ReformedBroker) May 10, 2014
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darthstar May 10, 2014 6:52:05am |
re: #135 Justanotherhuman
I think The Intercept was pretty much stillborn.
Egos, first and foremost.
This is what happens when you give birth to a blog about Glenn Greenwald.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 6:52:58am |
re: #141 darthstar
This is what happens when you give birth to a blog about Glenn Greenwald.
Everyone is probably already in therapy over this.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 6:57:54am |
The church was empty at the time of the fire and had been closed for some time.
The fire started early this morning. @DetroitFire responded quickly and contained the situation. #BrushPark #Detroit pic.twitter.com/8ZZ80ztkSO— David Leinweber (@Leinweber_David) May 10, 2014
No one inside said @DetroitFire fireman I spoke with. I live nearby and the former church has been vacant for awhile pic.twitter.com/YNBb70Z2PL— David Leinweber (@Leinweber_David) May 10, 2014
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NJDhockeyfan May 10, 2014 7:02:15am |
Former Ukrainian president's art collection on display in Kiev museum. http://t.co/lhhZNK953y— upi.com (@UPI) May 9, 2014
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darthstar May 10, 2014 7:15:51am |
Well, this is good news…the FBI apparently frowns on people pointing loaded weapons at federal officers - including those who work for the Bureau of Land Management. So the Bundy Ranch militia could be seeing an end to some of those Second Amendment rights they so love…
Numerous members of the Metro Police force that were at the scene have confirmed that they’ve spoken with the FBI and that an investigation is definitely underway. It is against federal law to point a firearm at a federal officer.
Yeah…that does suck…
Police officers and BLM agents that were there feel pretty confident that the FBI is going to be able to find clear evidence of several members of Bundy’s posse aiming loaded weapons at them. Considering that local news stations ended up filming and covering a good portion of the standoff means that there is probably ample video coverage of the event. Not to mention surveillance cameras or cell phones that might have gathered footage. It seems like a foregone conclusion that Bundy and many of his armed fanatics will be seeing heavy jail time in the near future.
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 7:20:16am |
re: #145 darthstar
Well, this is good news…the FBI apparently frowns on people pointing loaded weapons at federal officers - including those who work for the Bureau of Land Management. So the Bundy Ranch militia could be seeing an end to some of those Second Amendment rights they so love…
Yeah…that does suck…
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
But, but, but—Ruby Ridge! Waco!
Fanaticism is never a positive thing in a democracy. I’ve always thought it was a dangerous thing. And the fanatics always prove me right.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 7:20:58am |
re: #145 darthstar
Well, this is good news…the FBI apparently frowns on people pointing loaded weapons at federal officers - including those who work for the Bureau of Land Management. So the Bundy Ranch militia could be seeing an end to some of those Second Amendment rights they so love…
Yeah…that does suck…
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
“Then I ran away and hid in mom’s basement”, I think.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 7:23:54am |
re: #145 darthstar
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
My new best buddies name is Bubba!!
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 7:24:25am |
re: #147 Skip Intro
“Then I ran away and hid in mom’s basement”, I think.
Then I jumped in my pickup and drove to my hometown bar.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 7:24:45am |
The birds are awake in my part of the world.
It’s bright and all together obnoxious.
I did sleep all night tho.
gawd, I a just not made for mornings.
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 7:25:32am |
re: #145 darthstar
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
And then when the law came after me,
I did what any Patriot would do
I shouted “Freedom” loud and clear
And in my pants, I pooed.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 7:25:55am |
re: #145 darthstar
Well, this is good news…the FBI apparently frowns on people pointing loaded weapons at federal officers - including those who work for the Bureau of Land Management. So the Bundy Ranch militia could be seeing an end to some of those Second Amendment rights they so love…
Yeah…that does suck…
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
You would have to check with DF, but I believe that pointing the business end of a firearm at someone constitutes a threat and thus is a federal firearm violation.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 7:26:53am |
re: #145 darthstar
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
and the law won.
Luckily we live under a system of laws, not men. The law can be challenged, reinterpreted or changed.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 7:28:12am |
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 7:29:15am |
re: #151 FemNaziBitch
The birds are awake in my part of the world.
It’s bright and all together obnoxious.
I did sleep all night tho.
gawd, I a just not made for mornings.
The cuckoo bird that lives in the forest outside my apartment block started up bright and early. It’s like having your very own living cuckoo clock that simply never shuts up.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 7:30:37am |
Forbes Fires Journalist After Reporting the Truth About Cliven Bundy
Eckhoff notes: “A few people have suggested it may be on account of Steve Forbes keeping cattle on his New Jersey estate to reduce his property taxes. Others have mentioned Forbes partnership with FOX News.”
So, I if I got a couple of those dwarf cows … .
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 7:31:10am |
re: #156 Dr Lizardo
The cuckoo bird that lives in the forest outside my apartment block started up bright and early. It’s like having your very own living cuckoo clock that simply never shuts up.
I hate those birds!
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PhillyPretzel May 10, 2014 7:33:27am |
re: #158 FemNaziBitch
I had a bird’s nest underneath my AC unit. Those *&%^ birds woke me up every morning at 5 am. I got a co-worker to get rid of the nest and that very early wake up call.
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jaunte May 10, 2014 7:34:39am |
re: #145 darthstar
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
18 U.S. Code § 111 - Assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees
a) In General.— Whoever—
(1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties; or
(2) forcibly assaults or intimidates any person who formerly served as a person designated in section 1114 on account of the performance of official duties during such person’s term of service,
shall, where the acts in violation of this section constitute only simple assault, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both, and where such acts involve physical contact with the victim of that assault or the intent to commit another felony, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both.(b) Enhanced Penalty.— Whoever, in the commission of any acts described in subsection (a), uses a deadly or dangerous weapon (including a weapon intended to cause death or danger but that fails to do so by reason of a defective component) or inflicts bodily injury, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.
law.cornell.edu
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William Barnett-Lewis May 10, 2014 7:40:29am |
And please don’t forget, dear Bundy militia, that conviction on a felony charge makes you a prohibited person as far as gun ownership is concerned. Even holding someone else’s firearm after that conviction is sufficient to get you a 10 year vacation in Club Fed if the judge had a bad day.
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Mattand May 10, 2014 7:41:43am |
re: #159 PhillyPretzel
I had a bird’s nest underneath my AC unit. Those *&%^ birds woke me up every morning at 5 am. I got a co-worker to get rid of the nest and that very early wake up call.
We had a Norther Flicker (a type of woodpecker) drilling into our aluminum chimney stack at 5:30 AM for a while. Sounded like my neighbor was using a pneumatic drill; which is entirely possible, given what an asshole my neighbor is.
I eventually took a lawn and leaf bag and attached it to the chimney stack as a kind of white trash scarecrow/wind sock. Took care of the job. The best part was that as crappy is at looked, no one ever looks up a person’s roof.
Sort of a reverse Shawshank Redemption shoe thing.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 7:43:34am |
I will never understand why women even bother with men like this.
Boyfriend charged with first-degree murder in Orlando shooting
John DeJesus arrested after Yoliz DeJesus killed
Read more: wesh.com
(snip)
“Yoliz DeJesus was found shot to death in front of her children at the couple’s home on Millrace Court the morning of April 30. Detectives said only one shot was fired, and that DeJesus and the victim’s two young children were unharmed.
“The night of the murder, John DeJesus told investigators three men broke into their home, robbed him, and then killed Yoliz DeJesus, deputies said.
“John DeJesus has been arrested 18 times in the past and has failed to appear 11 times, deputies said. He’s done two stints in state prison and he’s a registered sex offender, deputies said.” More
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 7:47:03am |
I am enjoying this video -shameless page promotion
actual video
Youtube Video
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 7:47:05am |
re: #159 PhillyPretzel
I had a bird’s nest underneath my AC unit. Those *&%^ birds woke me up every morning at 5 am. I got a co-worker to get rid of the nest and that very early wake up call.
Haha, that means I get up before the birds.
I’ve been like that all my life, even though I never “got the worm”. : )
Never really a “night” person, although I could easily get by on 5-6 hrs of sleep and still do.
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Mattand May 10, 2014 7:50:38am |
re: #145 darthstar
Well, this is good news…the FBI apparently frowns on people pointing loaded weapons at federal officers - including those who work for the Bureau of Land Management. So the Bundy Ranch militia could be seeing an end to some of those Second Amendment rights they so love…
Yeah…that does suck…
I fought the law and…how does the rest of that verse go?
Good. This whole Bundy thing is hitting all of the wrong notes for me:
• Ignorant Tea Baggers and conservatives
• Gun nuts
• Bullies
• The racism that pretty much underpins much of modern conservatism
I’m also convinced that since it’s primarily a Republcian state, everyone GOP official from the governor on down to the local police are dragging their heels due to sympathies with these right wing terrorists.
I hope I’m wrong on this, and I realize you have to go slow since all it takes is one mouth breathing Republcian with an itchy trigger finger to touch all of this off.
It still makes me wonder if any Republicans who are in positions of power (governor, county officials, state troopers, etc.) are going to do their jobs, or will actually go traitor and help Bundy.
And make no mistake: anyone supporting these fuck ups are traitors.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 7:57:28am |
This is just awful and sounds like pilot error, unfortunately.
Hot Air Balloon Explosion Kills One, Two Missing
“Officials have found one body after a hot air balloon hit a power line, caught fire and then shot up into the sky before exploding and crashing in eastern Virginia.
“Two were still missing and presumed dead, Virginia State Police spokeswoman Corinne Geller said during a news conference on Saturday morning.
(snip)
“A regional investigator from the National Transportation Safety Board was looking into the cause of the accident, according to the agency. Virginia State Police, the Federal Aviation Administration, local law enforcement and Emergency Medical Services were conducting a ground search on Saturday, according to a statement posted on the Mid-Atlantic Balloon Festival site.” More
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 8:01:29am |
Update: ‘No Trojan Horse extremism links’ Birmingham teachers hear
Birmingham City Council officials investigating an alleged plot by Muslim hardliners to take control of schools say they have seen no evidence of links to extremism, BBC News has learned.
But they have found “significant grievances” about governance and leadership, some on a large scale.
…
Mr Rogers warned those present to expect a “firestorm” when the reports were published, and to prepare for “significant structural changes” within the education department as a result of the findings.Mr Hay said that the council had uncovered nothing which indicated any extremist links at any of the schools but many significant “grievances” related to what he described as “HR issues”, some of which were long-standing and on a large scale.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 8:07:34am |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
In short, much ado about nothing. Someone with an axe to grind decided to turn his grievances into a national crisis of epic proportions.
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 8:07:56am |
Meanwhile, in Turkey:
“What you’re saying is wrong,” Erdoᇺn said near the end of the speech by Feyzioğlu, who was speaking on the occasion of the 146th anniversary of the establishment of the Council of State in Ankara.
“What am I saying that is wrong, Mr. Prime Minister?” Feyzioğlu asked in reply, prompting Erdoᇺn to angrily respond: “This kind of rudeness is impossible.”
“I’m not the one who’s being rude, Mr. Prime Minister,” the bar head then said.
Erdoᇺn became incensed over Feyzioğlu’s criticizing of the government’s failure to provide permanent settlement to some survivors of the 2011 Van earthquakes. He stressed that many people were still living in rudimentary conditions in shipping containers.
Rising from his seat to leave, Erdoᇺn interrupted the speech, saying Turkey’s highest lawyer had “no legal right” to say such things. “Unfortunately, because of the law, we give a platform to things like this. You’re making a political speech … Everything you said about Van is a lie,” he said.
Sitting alongside Erdoᇺn, President Abdullah Gül attempted to calm Erdoᇺn down, but to no avail.
There’s a video you can play in the article; it’s all in Turkish, but it looks to me like PM Erdogan doesn’t handle criticism well - oblique or otherwise.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 8:10:45am |
re: #170 Dr Lizardo
So, you’re saying Erdogan is a lot like Glenn Greenwald?
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 8:11:06am |
re: #168 Killgore Trout
re: #169 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
In short, much ado about nothing. Someone with an axe to grind decided to turn his grievances into a national crisis of epic proportions.
But if it does uncover and force changes on the ” many significant “grievances” related to what he described as “HR issues”, some of which were long-standing and on a large scale.” that would be a positive thing
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 8:13:22am |
re: #172 sattv4u2
But if it does uncover and force changes on the ” many significant “grievances” related to what he described as “HR issues”, some of which were long-standing and on a large scale.” that would be a positive thing
Very true. Sometimes it takes public scrutiny to make change happen in insular communities.
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 8:14:39am |
re: #169 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
In short, much ado about nothing. Someone with an axe to grind decided to turn his grievances into a national crisis of epic proportions.
Not quite. It seems the administrators were abusing their power on quite a large scale. The UK made some changes with their education system recently and it seems there are some serious loopholes that can be seriously abused.
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Justanotherhuman May 10, 2014 8:15:42am |
Congrats, Chelsea!
Couldn't be prouder of @ChelseaClinton today. Congrats on your doctorate. pic.twitter.com/M4PiBFqUej— Bill Clinton (@billclinton) May 10, 2014
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 8:15:42am |
re: #166 Mattand
I don’t think they have any pull on the FBI. Those guys raid congressional or senate offices with impunity given a warrant.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 8:21:28am |
re: #175 Justanotherhuman
She got a doctorate? Man, the RW is going to go full foaming at the mouth, falling down on the floor and eating the carpet insane over this.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 8:23:26am |
re: #177 Skip Intro
She got a doctorate? Man, the RW is going to go full foaming at the mouth, falling down on the floor and eating the carpet insane over this.
Plus, she’s pregnant, but not barefoot and in the kitchen — know what I mean, Vern?
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 8:25:59am |
re: #179 jaunte
Is he up for re-election, or something?
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 8:26:26am |
re: #179 jaunte
Bobby Jindal woke up feeling oppressed today.
Yes, mightily oppressed, it would seem.
And so, in his honor, I shall play the world’s tiniest violin for him.
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jaunte May 10, 2014 8:26:55am |
re: #180 wheat-doggha — oo bird outside my window
Maybe he’s watching the news from Arkansas:
LGBT HISTORY: Arkansas issues FIRST same-sex marriage license in the SOUTH. http://t.co/IPj1Gf56V7 pic.twitter.com/agAPsa3i91
— JoeMyGod (@JoeMyGod) May 10, 2014
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 8:33:19am |
re: #179 jaunte
Bobby Jindal woke up feeling oppressed today.
Is Kellogg’s test marketing their new product “Victim Flakes” in Louisiana?
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The Awkward Guy May 10, 2014 8:36:39am |
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darthstar May 10, 2014 8:39:11am |
re: #179 jaunte
Bobby Jindal woke up feeling oppressed today.
Damnit…we said to cover all the mirrors in the Governor’s mansion when he’s home.
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jaunte May 10, 2014 8:39:26am |
Our religious liberty must in no way ever be linked to the ever-changing opinions of the public.
I can’t even parse that.
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kirkspencer May 10, 2014 8:51:19am |
re: #166 Mattand
Good. This whole Bundy thing is hitting all of the wrong notes for me:
I’m also convinced that since it’s primarily a Republcian state, everyone GOP official from the governor on down to the local police are dragging their heels due to sympathies with these right wing terrorists.
I hope I’m wrong on this, and I realize you have to go slow since all it takes is one mouth breathing Republcian with an itchy trigger finger to touch all of this off.
It still makes me wonder if any Republicans who are in positions of power (governor, county officials, state troopers, etc.) are going to do their jobs, or will actually go traitor and help Bundy.
And make no mistake: anyone supporting these fuck ups are traitors.
yaknow, I got to wondering the other day about bits and pieces related to this.
Maybe you recall that one of the first comments of a schism over there was when one group, citing intel from a friendly informer in US government ranks, insisted the US was sending a drone. They insisted on leaving.
Now almost all the comments I saw were related to drones used as weapons. But I got to remembering that the primary use of US drones is ISR: Intel, Surveil, and Recon. Really, really good cameras, long loiter times, and difficult to detect.
With that in mind, I’m wondering if there are terabytes of pictures of everyone on the ranch and traffic patterns and all of that.
With that in mind, I’m wondering if the task force to deal with this mess is under high security because there’s a high-level informer who knows when drones are being sent - and there’s a parallel internal investigation to find the mole.
An insurrection is an ugly thing. It needs stopped before it becomes outright rebellion.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 8:56:09am |
re: #187 jaunte
I can’t even parse that.
If you just donate $1,000 (or more) to the RNC, they’ll send you, free of charge, a wingnut decoder ring so you can keep up with all the secret messages the 2016 presidential hopefuls tweet out.
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 8:56:56am |
re: #187 jaunte
I can’t even parse that.
It’s Palinese. It means, “You’re infringing on our First Amendment rights by criticizing us!!”
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ObserverArt May 10, 2014 8:57:02am |
re: #156 Dr Lizardo
The cuckoo bird that lives in the forest outside my apartment block started up bright and early. It’s like having your very own living cuckoo clock that simply never shuts up.
I always hear doves around my place making that low throaty cooing sound with the little click chirps thrown in. It is sort of peaceful.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:03:53am |
re: #188 kirkspencer
Yeah, right.
Oh, and by the way, Cliven Bundy wants his supporters to go to Blanding, Utah, to take on the BLM: pic.twitter.com/cnEEdCFXL5
— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) May 8, 2014
Sean Hannity’s good friend, Cliven Bundy is, once again, totally full of shit and trying to stir up violence against the BLM.
On June 10, 2009, Federal officials unsealed indictments against 24 people for looting Native American artifacts on public lands. Specific charges included violating the Archaeological Resources Protection Act (ARPA), depredation and theft of government property, theft of Indian tribal property, violating the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), and transportation of stolen property. That same day Blanding was the site of a related raid, and 16 local people were charged in the case. Federal agents cataloged and photographed items of interest held by these individuals, but did not seize them at that time. Commenting on the 21/2-year probe, U.S. Secretary of the Interior Ken Salazar said, “[l]et this case serve notice to anyone considering breaking these laws and trampling our nation’s cultural heritage that the BLM, the Department of Justice and the federal government will track you down and bring you to justice.”
On June 11, one of the suspects from Blanding, Dr. James Redd, was found dead of an apparent suicide. The following day another suspect, Steven L. Shrader of Santa Fe, New Mexico, was found dead of self-inflicted gunshot wounds.
No one was murdered by SWAT teams. Two suspects committed suicide.
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:06:10am |
re: #188 kirkspencer
yaknow, I got to wondering the other day about bits and pieces related to this.
Maybe you recall that one of the first comments of a schism over there was when one group, citing intel from a friendly informer in US government ranks, insisted the US was sending a drone. They insisted on leaving.
Now almost all the comments I saw were related to drones used as weapons. But I got to remembering that the primary use of US drones is ISR: Intel, Surveil, and Recon. Really, really good cameras, long loiter times, and difficult to detect.
With that in mind, I’m wondering if there are terabytes of pictures of everyone on the ranch and traffic patterns and all of that.
With that in mind, I’m wondering if the task force to deal with this mess is under high security because there’s a high-level informer who knows when drones are being sent - and there’s a parallel internal investigation to find the mole.
An insurrection is an ugly thing. It needs stopped before it becomes outright rebellion.
I blame the guy who ran out and said “Hey, y’all, look up there. Isn’t that a Bald Freedom Eagle.”
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wheat-doggha -- oo bird outside my window May 10, 2014 9:06:39am |
re: #192 Skip Intro
It’s a cover-up!! Remember what happened to Vince Foster!!
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:08:26am |
Has anyone been taking about the protest planned from well before the Bundy confrontations? The understanding I have had about BLM for twenty years is they manage to piss off the locals and not just the citizenry. Local elected officials etc. They do have a ham handed approach too often. And when the Feds have and use control of 90% of the area in question, building resentment is a certainty. And that is the real backdrop for Bundy. BLM is a little less popular with locals and ranchers than the IRS audit people.
There is some minor local tension right here near Los Angeles, as vast swaths of National Forest are still no trespassing zones since the Station fire. The reason given is that even scattered human footprints of picnickers or hikers will disturb the natural recovery. As if limiting access via numbers of visitors was not an option. Or understanding that in these long human inhabited mountain range our impact is strictly a negative. There is a better balance available. Bad tempers, militias and glacial bureaucracies are not a good mix. Unarmed civil protest and disobedience is the respected way to go.
Bundy is an ass, the militias are damn dangerous. But that does not let the heavy handed officials have auto amnesty from poor decisions.
Cliven Bundy II? Utah protesters prepare for new face-off with feds
A band of angry citizens plans to ride all-terrain vehicles onto closed-off, federally managed public land Saturday in protest against the federal Bureau of Land Management, which many say has unfairly closed off a prized area, cheating residents of outdoor recreation.
The ride, organized by San Juan County Commissioner Phil Lyman, is a gambit to assert county sovereignty over Recapture Canyon, known for its archaeological ruins, that BLM officials say has been jeopardized from overuse. The canyon was closed to motor vehicles in 2007, the agency said, after two men forged an illegal seven-mile trail. Hikers and those on horseback are still allowed there.
Lyman and his supporters want the BLM to act more quickly on a years-old request for a public right-of-way through the area. “You can’t just arbitrarily shut down a road in San Juan County,” he said. “If you can do that and get away with it, what else can you do?”
The revolt has received national attention, coming at the heels of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s successful standoff last month against the BLM that suggests a rising battle across the West over states’ rights on federally managed public lands. Tensions rose in Utah this week after two men pointed a gun at a BLM employee on a highway.
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:12:40am |
re: #195 Rightwingconspirator
Has anyone been taking about the protest planned from well before the Bundy confrontations? The understanding I have had about BLM for twenty years is they manage to piss off the locals and not just the citizenry. Local elected officials etc. They do have a ham handed approach too often. And when the Feds have and use control of 90% of the area in question, building resentment is a certainty. And that is the real backdrop for Bundy. BLM is a little less popular with locals and ranchers than the IRS audit people.
There is some minor local tension right here near Los Angeles, as vast swaths of National Forest are still no trespassing zones since the Station fire. The reason given is that even scattered human footprints of picnickers or hikers will disturb the natural recovery. As if limiting access via numbers of visitors was not an option. Or understanding that in these long human inhabited mountain range of impact is strictly a negative. There is a better balance available. Bad tempers, militias and glacial bureaucracies are not a good mix. Unarmed civil protest and disobedience is the respected way to go.
Bundy is an ass, the militias are damn dangerous. But that does not let the heavy handed officials have auto amnesty from poor decisions.
Cliven Bundy II? Utah protesters prepare for new face-off with feds
Property-lovin’ conservatives should have no problem understanding “ownership”. That’s, like, “Get off my lawn ecosystem.”
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:14:51am |
re: #196 Decatur Deb
Property-lovin’ conservatives should have no problem understanding “ownership”. That’s, like, “Get off my
lawnecosystem.”
“We demand the right to ride our toys wherever we please and destroy whatever we want because GOD AND FREEDUM!”
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kirkspencer May 10, 2014 9:15:56am |
re: #197 Skip Intro
“We demand the right to ride our toys wherever we please and destroy whatever we want because GOD AND FREEDUM!”
They so resemble those idiots who destroyed the natural arch.
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:16:19am |
re: #196 Decatur Deb
Property-lovin’ conservatives should have no problem understanding “ownership”. That’s, like, “Get off my
lawnecosystem.”
That’s one way of looking at it, Assume it’s just conservatives being asses. But it’s not really that simple at all. I don’t confer an assumption of regulatory competence from agencies, as reality has long taught us that pay close attention differently.
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:16:51am |
Has Bundy poisoned the well of discussion?
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ObserverArt May 10, 2014 9:17:42am |
re: #179 jaunte
Bobby Jindal woke up feeling oppressed today.
That guy is real hard to take. I think he is up for reelection next year and hopefully the people of that state have gotten a bit more feel for his stupidity and don’t vote him in again.
Hmmm. He is on his second term. I don’t know the laws in Louisiana. Anyone know if he can run for a third consecutive term?
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kirkspencer May 10, 2014 9:18:57am |
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:20:25am |
re: #199 Rightwingconspirator
That’s one way of looking at it, Assume it’s just conservatives being asses. But it’s not really that simple at all. I don’t confer an assumption of regulatory competence from agencies, as reality has long taught us that pay close attention differently.
Not going to get any sympathy for yahoos trashing archaeological resources. Half the sites we surveyed in E. Kentucky were rendered meaningless by illegal pothunters.
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ObserverArt May 10, 2014 9:20:33am |
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:21:34am |
re: #197 Skip Intro
“We demand the right to ride our toys wherever we please and destroy whatever we want because GOD AND FREEDUM!”
Try to square that with what was actually said.
Lyman and his supporters want the BLM to act more quickly on a years-old request for a public right-of-way through the area. “You can’t just arbitrarily shut down a road in San Juan County,” he said. “If you can do that and get away with it, what else can you do?”
OMG public right of way! ///
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jaunte May 10, 2014 9:22:05am |
re: #204 ObserverArt
He appears to be maintaining twitter silence.
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:22:33am |
re: #200 Rightwingconspirator
Has Bundy poisoned the well of discussion?
If not, he and his armed interlocutors have taken a hell of a swing at it.
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bubba zanetti May 10, 2014 9:22:40am |
re: #189 Skip Intro
If you just donate $1,000 (or more) to the RNC, they’ll send you, free of charge, a wingnut decoder ring so you can keep up with all the secret messages the 2016 presidential hopefuls tweet out.
Yup.
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:24:26am |
re: #203 Decatur Deb
Not going to get any sympathy for yahoos trashing archaeological resources. Half the sites we surveyed in E. Kentucky were rendered meaningless by illegal pothunters.
Not looking for any. The point is about reasonable access from regular folks out for a ride, a picnic, access to take in that natural beauty and scenery.
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jaunte May 10, 2014 9:24:42am |
April 12 2014:
Huckabee spoke with Fox New’s Laura Ingraham about his own comments regarding same-sex nuptials. He had told an Iowa audience Tuesday that his opposition was “on the right side of the Bible.” On Friday, he argued that it was the same stance that Obama had taken in 2008.
“He said it was because of his Christian convictions. Does he have them or does he not?” Huckabee told Ingraham. “If one has them, they don’t change depending on what the culture does. You don’t take an opinion poll to come up with a new point of view.”
He laid out three possible scenarios to explain the president’s change of heart: “Were you lying then or are you lying now or did the Bible get re-written?” talkingpointsmemo.com
Then he went out for an all-you-can-eat shrimp dinner.
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jaunte May 10, 2014 9:25:42am |
von Kármán vortex sheet over Cape Verde Islands. The Atlantic Ocean is a huge fluid dynamics lab. pic.twitter.com/G6AhxKGaIn
— Koichi Wakata (@Astro_Wakata) May 10, 2014
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:25:44am |
re: #205 Rightwingconspirator
Try to square that with what was actually said.
OMG public right of way! ///
It’s still a public right of way, except it’s closed to vehicles.
TYRANNY!
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:26:50am |
re: #209 Rightwingconspirator
Not looking for any. The point is about reasonable access from regular folks out for a ride, a picnic, access to take in that natural beauty and scenery.
Is that valley the only picnic area in Utah? Whole place looks like Jellystone Park to me. This is the same militia asshole (‘Ranger’ Ryan Payne and co.) looking for Round 2.
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:29:09am |
re: #212 Skip Intro
You still have not resolved the miles of difference between your wingnut font and what local public officials are asking for.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:30:38am |
Meanwhile, how are those reasonable folks who just want to be able to trash up any place the choose with their ATVs handling this?
BLM employees in San Juan County have had windows shot out of their homes and their yards torn up by ATVs in the middle of the night.
Yeah, you can really have a “debate” with people like this.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:31:50am |
re: #214 Rightwingconspirator
They’re “asking” for the entire area to be opened up to ATVs; the BLM says no.
Does that resolve it for you?
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:32:11am |
re: #215 Skip Intro
Meanwhile, how are those reasonable folks who just want to be able to trash up any place the choose with their ATVs handling this?
Yeah, you can really have a “debate” with people like this.
How does that invalidate the official application to get public access? Did bank malfeasance make bank robbery acceptable? Or vice versa?
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:32:28am |
re: #215 Skip Intro
Meanwhile, how are those reasonable folks who just want to be able to trash up any place the choose with their ATVs handling this?
Yeah, you can really have a “debate” with people like this.
Check your link—took me to a Microsoft blurb.
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 9:33:23am |
There really is only one answer, deeply unsatisfactory and grossly unsavory as that may be: negotiation with Boko Haram and, almost certainly, the payment of a significant ransom.
…
Shekau has taken Western hostages before and reportedly reaped major revenue. Last year, his men abducted a French family of seven, four of them children between the ages of 5 and 12, who had gone to visit a national park in Cameroon near the Nigerian border. Although officially no ransom was paid by the French government or the victims’ relatives, several reports claim third parties turned over more than $3 million to win the release of the natural-gas company manager Tanguy Moulin-Fournier and his family.
…
Global attention and anger about the kidnapping, after a slow start, is now reaching a thunderous crescendo. But as the furor subsides and the thunder dies, most or all of those girls probably will remain captives. The real work of winning their freedom is going to require a great deal of time, patience, understanding, and money.And here’s the really unsettling thought. Who will bankroll Shekau’s ambition to project himself on the global stage? Very probably the same people who win the freedom of those poor young girls.
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jaunte May 10, 2014 9:33:26am |
re: #216 Skip Intro
And they’re not asking, they’re just going to force their way in.
BLM employees in San Juan County have had windows shot out of their homes and their yards torn up by ATVs in the middle of the night.denverpost.com
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ObserverArt May 10, 2014 9:33:32am |
re: #206 jaunte
He appears to be maintaining twitter silence.
Probably in his room crying and can’t see through the tears. When his eyes dry he will probably be heard from. I cannot see him going without making some kind of an asinine statement.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:33:45am |
re: #217 Rightwingconspirator
There is public access; there isn’t vehicle access.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 9:35:43am |
re: #220 Killgore Trout
several reports claim third parties turned over more than $3 million to win the release of the natural-gas company manager Tanguy Moulin-Fournier and his family.
Boko Bidness Be Berry Berry Good !!
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ObserverArt May 10, 2014 9:36:03am |
re: #210 jaunte
April 12 2014:
Then he went out for an all-you-can-eat shrimp dinner.
So, that is why is looking a bit larger lately. He did eat them all!
/
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:36:44am |
re: #219 Skip Intro
Still works for me.
Got it now. It’s going to get weird if some young Navajo decide to test their 2nd Amendment rights.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 9:36:49am |
re: #225 ObserverArt
So, that is why is looking a bit larger lately. He did eat them all!
/
It was okay
They were baby shrimp !! (that sounds redundant!!)
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:37:49am |
re: #218 Decatur Deb
Some forget there is an option that lies between no access for vehicles and a free for all. Oh well, those points of view serve the critics quite well and so get undeserved momentum. *sigh*
Well I think I’ll see if my long lens can give me a glimpse of these forbidden acres in Angeles National Forest. No cattle, no atv, just a 400mm viewing by way of illustrating the lie of the land. From the legal places to stand BTW.
Have a fine day folks, after a $1400 rebuild of the truck front suspension I look forward to the twisty mountain roads to be much more comfortable.
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EPR-radar May 10, 2014 9:38:21am |
re: #226 Decatur Deb
Got it now. It’s going to get weird if some young Navajo decide to test their 2nd Amendment rights.
What 2nd amendment rights? The second amendment only confers rights to white people.
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:39:01am |
re: #229 EPR-radar
What 2nd amendment rights? The second amendment only confers rights to white people.
Christian white people.
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Rightwingconspirator May 10, 2014 9:40:12am |
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:40:30am |
re: #228 Rightwingconspirator
Some forget there is an option that lies between no access for vehicles and a free for all. Oh well, those points of view serve the critics quite well and so get undeserved momentum. *sigh*
Well I think I’ll see if my long lens can give me a glimpse of these forbidden acres in Angeles National Forest. No cattle, no atv, just a 400mm viewing by way of illustrating the lie of the land. From the legal places to stand BTW.
Have a fine day folks, after a $1400 rebuild of the truck front suspension I look forward to the twisty mountain roads to be much more comfortable.
That middle ground demands increased BLM presence. They are not staffed for it and would just increase the friction by their efforts. Did you see the “Bubbaglyphs’ in the news article?
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BongCrodny May 10, 2014 9:40:49am |
re: #179 jaunte
Bobby Jindal woke up feeling oppressed today.
I think it’s some kind of pre-exorcism chant ritual.
You know, you shout “THE MODERN LEFT IN AMERICA IS COMPLETELY INTOLERANT OF THE VIEWS OF PEOPLE OF FAITH” instead of “THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU.”
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Skip Intro May 10, 2014 9:41:16am |
re: #228 Rightwingconspirator
Some forget there is an option that lies between no access for vehicles and a free for all. Oh well, those points of view serve the critics quite well and so get undeserved momentum. *sigh*
Sometimes you lose those rights by being an asshole and breaking the law. Unfair government TYRANNY, I know.
For example,
The BLM closed the canyon to ATVs and dirt bikes seven years ago after motorized-use proponents illegally constructed a 7-mile-long, 4-foot-wide trail through the canyon. The trail — complete with bridges, berms and stiles — cut through archaeological sites.
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Dark_Falcon May 10, 2014 9:43:12am |
re: #220 Killgore Trout
Negative: Dane-geld
It is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation
To call upon a neighbour and to say: —
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ‘em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!It is always a temptation for a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say: —
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray;
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say: —“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that pays it is lost!”
To pay Boko Haram millions to ransom back those girls would just mean more terror attacks and kidnappings later. I know I sound like a man with a heart of stone saying this, but I would sooner leave those girls in the hands of Boko Haram, knowing what their fate will be, than I would pay any ransom.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 9:43:18am |
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:43:35am |
re: #234 Skip Intro
Sometimes you lose those rights by being an asshole.
For example,
The militia don’t give a shit about the archaeology or the right of access. They’re looking for their second 15 minutes of Victory!!1!
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 9:44:01am |
re: #235 Dark_Falcon
LETTING THE BULLIES WIN is a bad thing.
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:45:34am |
re: #238 FemNaziBitch
LETTING THE BULLIES WIN is a bad thing.
Yup. This is not the bunch to foster as poster children for a civil rights campaign.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 9:46:30am |
re: #235 Dark_Falcon
but I would sooner leave those girls in the hands of Boko Haram, knowing what their fate will be, than I would pay any ransom.
Ummm,,,, errrr,,, NO!!!
You pay the ransom (if you have too), secure the girls release, then hunt down the captors and bring them to justice
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 9:47:53am |
Why is that significant? “Our cortex is already changing the raw visual information before that information gets into our consciousness,” Voytek concluded.You’re not only seeing what is actually before you; you’re seeing what your brain is telling you is there.
Specifically, the cortex is sending a cascade of predictions about what should be seen at all the different layers of complexity. So what travels back up from the eyes is not raw visuals of the environment, but how the world deviates from what the brain is expecting.
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Kilroy01 May 10, 2014 9:48:40am |
re: #235 Dark_Falcon
Pay the ransom, get the girls to safety and then go wipe these assholes out with overwhelming firepower as a warning to others.
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Dark_Falcon May 10, 2014 9:49:53am |
re: #238 FemNaziBitch
LETTING THE BULLIES WIN is a bad thing.
I’m not proposing we do that. Boko Haram must be combated and destroyed. But paying them to release hostages is the act of a fool, since it gives them a victory and moreover, it gives them the means to further their evil cause.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 9:50:27am |
re: #241 FemNaziBitch
3.Voytek published a fascinating paper on the “hypothetical neuroscience” of the residents of
China Mieville’s novel The City and The City,
in which two towns co-exist ignoring each other’s existence.
too funny! This was the first thing I thought of when I started the article. One of my all time favorite books!
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 9:50:43am |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
I’m not proposing we do that. Boko Haram must be combated and destroyed. But paying them to release hostages is the act of a fool, since it gives them a victory and moreover, it gives them the means to further their evil cause.
Hell. I thought she was talking about the Bundy militia.
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 9:51:55am |
re: #235 Dark_Falcon
Negative: Dane-geld
To pay Boko Haram millions to ransom back those girls would just mean more terror attacks and kidnappings later. I know I sound like a man with a heart of stone saying this, but I would sooner leave those girls in the hands of Boko Haram, knowing what their fate will be, than I would pay any ransom.
I don’t think it’s a good idea either but it might be the most likely outcome (along with prisoner swaps, etc). The Nigerians really aren’t capable of a series of complicated hostage rescues. They might try but it’s likely to be messy. They are also resistant to outside military help. The French have a couple thousand troops in the region but I’m not sure the Nigerians will accept direct assistance. It’s not ideal to pay the ransoms but it might be the most likely outcome.
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Dark_Falcon May 10, 2014 9:52:02am |
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 9:53:07am |
re: #247 Dark_Falcon
I’m sorry, but I cannot agree. Paying makes the enemy stronger, and that is unacceptable. And assuming you find the captors after paying is an assumption that is far too large for me to be willing to make,
And hunting them down and killing them (after safe passage for the girls) makes them weaker
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 9:53:48am |
re: #247 Dark_Falcon
They’ve already shown that they WILL release captives once money is handed over
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Dr Lizardo May 10, 2014 9:54:44am |
re: #233 BongCrodny
I think it’s some kind of pre-exorcism chant ritual.
You know, you shout “THE MODERN LEFT IN AMERICA IS COMPLETELY INTOLERANT OF THE VIEWS OF PEOPLE OF FAITH” instead of “THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU.”
I heard that in Max von Sydow’s voice.
Shame on me.
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Dark_Falcon May 10, 2014 9:57:16am |
re: #249 sattv4u2
They’ve already shown that they WILL release captives once money is handed over
You’re missing my point. The issue is not getting the captives released, its keeping the enemy from spending the ransom.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 10:00:22am |
Does anyone think these girls haven’t already been raped?
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Dark_Falcon May 10, 2014 10:02:35am |
re: #252 FemNaziBitch
Does anyone think these girls haven’t already been raped?
No. I’m quite sure most if not all of them have been raped by this point.
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wrenchwench May 10, 2014 10:02:42am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
You’re missing my point. The issue is not getting the captives released, its keeping the enemy from spending the ransom.
Would you have paid a million dollars to prevent the Twin Towers from being hit by airplanes?
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:03:28am |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
You’re missing my point. The issue is not getting the captives released, its keeping the enemy from spending the ransom.
{sigh]
So you would rather them spend these girls lives, by either selling them into slavery, or God only knows what by keeping them!!
you keep them from spending the money by tracking them down and obliterating them,,, AFTER THE GIRLS ARE SAFE!!
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:04:18am |
re: #254 wrenchwench
Would you have paid a BILLION dollars to prevent the Twin Towers from being hit by airplanes?
edited so my answer could still be yes!!!
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wrenchwench May 10, 2014 10:06:07am |
re: #256 sattv4u2
edited so my answer could still be yes!!!
I’m looking for the point where human lives are worth more than a hypothetical strategic principle to someone who values those principles.
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Kilroy01 May 10, 2014 10:06:34am |
re: #247 Dark_Falcon
These are not highly educated people. Their faith about guarantees that.
On the military side they expect there opposition to be like them, light infantry. Drones and air-power is something they have never faced and won’t have time to adapt to as the cluster bombs fall.
Send the message to future scumbags, “Yah we’ll pay and then so will you.”
I think someone mentioned something about arc-light yesterday.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:08:09am |
re: #257 wrenchwench
I’m looking for the point where human lives are worth more than a hypothetical strategic principle to someone who values those principles.
I’m sure DF would pay the ransom if it was his kid
he might agree to pay if it was your or my kid
he’d lean “no” if it was someone from his state, but he didn’t knows kid
he’s saying “no” because he’s too far removed from whose kid(s) it is
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BongCrodny May 10, 2014 10:08:43am |
Bad guys get away with shit all the fucking time, from Assad to Putin to Kim Jong-un.
Effectively, the only thing that not paying a ransom says is “we don’t give a shit about those girls.”
Give ‘em the money, then do whatever needs to be done after that.
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 10:08:46am |
re: #257 wrenchwench
I’m looking for the point where human lives are worth more than a hypothetical strategic principle to someone who values those principles.
That’s a sliding scale, varied by whose life, whose money, whose principle, and whose decision.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:09:18am |
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 10:11:09am |
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:11:58am |
I grew up overseas and from a very young age discussions of kidnaping and hostage taking were common in my family. Every couple years I had to attend the State Dept terrorism/kidnapping seminar. My mom is still an adventurous traveling in Africa and South America. She has made it very clear that if she’s taken hostage then freed and finds that I’ve paid ransom that she’ll hunt me down and kill me herself. I take the threat semi-seriously but not every family has the same “enlightened” view. Ransom payments happen but that’s why hostage taking is a profitable business.
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Dark_Falcon May 10, 2014 10:12:03am |
re: #254 wrenchwench
Would you have paid a million dollars to prevent the Twin Towers from being hit by airplanes?
Probably not, Because the additional strength such funds would have given Al Qaeda would have made them an even worse threat.
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 10:14:02am |
re: #264 Killgore Trout
I grew up overseas and from a very young age discussions of kidnaping and hostage taking were common in my family. Every couple years I had to attend the State Dept terrorism/kidnapping seminar. My mom is still an adventurous traveling in Africa and South America. She has made it very clear that if she’s taken hostage then freed and finds that I’ve paid ransom that she’ll hunt me down and kill me herself. I take the threat semi-seriously but not every family has the same “enlightened” view. Ransom payments happen but that’s why hostage taking is a profitable business.
Julius Caesar arranged his ransom from pirates. Then he returned and killed them, even though they had become drinking buddies.
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:14:51am |
Update: Insurgents blow up 2nd bridge, abduct wife, 2 kids
Islamic extremists blew up a bridge, killed an unknown number of people and abducted the wife and two children of a retired police officer in northeast Nigeria, residents said Saturday as an international effort got underway to rescue 276 schoolgirls kidnapped by the militants.
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:15:44am |
re: #268 Decatur Deb
Julius Caesar arranged his ransom from pirates. Then he returned and killed them, even though they had become drinking buddies.
I think Napoleon had some cool ransom stories too.
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 10:17:28am |
These bullies stole the girls because they could. They knew the Nigerian government didn’t value the girls and they would most likely get away with it.
It’s a total win for them. They can use and the girls for their own pleasure and profit, then sell them when they are tired of them.
They’ll do it again.
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ObserverArt May 10, 2014 10:19:26am |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
I’m not proposing we do that. Boko Haram must be combated and destroyed. But paying them to release hostages is the act of a fool, since it gives them a victory and moreover, it gives them the means to further their evil cause.
If the leadership is killed off or captured, what really is the victory? Are you seeing the victory as them being handed the money?
To me, victory is an ultimate ending. If they are killed or decimated, the ultimate end for them is far from a victory. Money is just money. A hard line stance with those uncaring idiots could mean they just wipe out the girls.
Another thing to consider. If you watched some of the videos, have you noticed the guy speaking on the videos is constantly tugging and scratching at himself, moving around all nervous and with a stupid grin on his face? I have a feeling he and the others are just a little bit drugged up on something. His behavior is a bit like a meth user. I think they have some other strange but powerful concoctions in Africa and they may be on those.
The point being, if those idiots get their hands on some major money, they might just go on a binge of some kind and let their guard down and be real easy to take out.
Just something I noticed.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:19:40am |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
If it were my child, I’d tell him or her “Die with honor.” then hang up the phone.
With that attitude, you’re child would probably would have been runaways away before they would have been kidnapped!
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 10:19:41am |
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 10:19:52am |
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 10:24:03am |
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:24:18am |
Nigerian schoolgirls recall Boko Haram kidnapping
He said there were reports that the girls had been sold as “brides” for $12 each.
“What surprises us is the indifference of the military, which did nothing to intercept the kidnappers in their movements from one town to the other with our girls,” Bitrus said. “The free movement of the kidnappers in a huge convoy with their captives for two weeks without being traced by the military, which claims to be working diligently to free the girls, is unbelievable.”
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:27:55am |
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FemNaziBitch May 10, 2014 10:29:47am |
As political winds have started to shift in the wake of the Newtown Massacre, the NRA quietly changed its position over the past year, paving the way for these laws, and others in New Hampshire and Minnesota. The move also comes as the NRA launches a new effort to court women, dubbed NRA Women.
Another shamless Pages ad.
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bluebonnetbunny May 10, 2014 10:34:09am |
re: #192 Skip Intro
Would it be wrong to wonder if Bundy is just tired of feeding his supporters and wants them to move on ? What better way that to send them to take a stand in another state?
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:41:36am |
Putin is a silly goose!
Moscow adds destroyer to Mediterranean naval task force
The Navy said the Udaloy-class destroyer Vice Admiral Kulakov was housing the command of the task force, deployed to protect Syria from an attack from the sea.
“The task force’s command was previously based on board the Pyotr Veliky nuclear-powered missile cruiser and the Admiral Levchenko destroyer, which have already fulfilled their objectives as part of the task force,” Russian Navy spokesman Capt. Vadim Serga said.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:44:04am |
re: #283 Killgore Trout
Hail, the conquering hero!!!
Ukraine crisis: Vladimir Putin pays visit to Crimea
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:46:44am |
re: #284 sattv4u2
Hail, the conquering hero!!!
Ukraine crisis: Vladimir Putin pays visit to Crimea
Unfortunately too cold to go shirtless.
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:48:02am |
re: #285 Killgore Trout
Unfortunately too cold to go shirtless.
Or ,, not cold enough! No challenge at that temp!
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:50:00am |
Broadcaster forced to quit by BBC after accidentally playing a song with the N-word
During his nostalgic Sunday evening music show, Swingers and Stingers, which is broadcast across south west England, Mr Lowe last month played a recording from 82 years ago of The Sun Has Got His Hat On, by Ambrose & His Orchestra.
But what Mr Lowe, 67, did not realise was that the recording contained a line of lyric twice featuring the N-word. That sparked a complaint from a listener offended by the word who said he was “horrified” to hear it on the BBC and hoped “someone in authority” would deal with Mr Lowe.
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:51:21am |
“The Sun has Got His Hat On” (Ambrose & his Orchestra, 1932)
Youtube Video
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Killgore Trout May 10, 2014 10:54:41am |
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sattv4u2 May 10, 2014 10:55:10am |
re: #289 Killgore Trout
I request that “someone in authority” deals with you!!!!!
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A Mom Anon May 10, 2014 11:03:55am |
re: #235 Dark_Falcon
What if it was your sister, your niece, your daughter? How would you feel then?
For WAY too long women and girls have been used as tools of war via rape and slavery. And yes, it happens to men and boys too, and it’s NEVER acceptable, EVER.
This group of disgusting lowlifes needs to be hunted down and taken out as an example to others who think this is a great idea. Women are not tools and a means to an end. Period. You get the girls back and you follow their fucking kidnappers back to whatever rock they crawl under and you destroy them. Period. Full Stop. End of it. The piece of shit leading this horror needs to be made an example of, along with anyone in the Nigerian government who had the slightest clue about this and let it happen.
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CuriousLurker May 10, 2014 11:32:47am |
re: #292 A Mom Anon
Seconded. These monsters need to be taken out. If we—and by “we” I mean any decent people involved in trying to resolve this—aren’t smart enough to figure out a way to defeat them, then we’re screwed.
Our advanced, modern culture starts to seem pretty empty & useless if it doesn’t provide us with the tools to effectively stop a bunch of murderous knuckle-draggers stealing our children.
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palomino May 10, 2014 11:35:39am |
re: #179 jaunte
Bobby Jindal woke up feeling oppressed today.
Yes, because it’s just so difficult being a Christian in America today. Especially in a place like Louisiana, because Jindal is part of a majority that makes up only 90% of the state’s population.
Jindal appears to have chosen his theme for a 2016 campaign. He’s the true Christian warrior, unlike phonies Cruz, Paul, Christie, Ryan, etc, none of whom have his direct line to God. In a religious party like the gop, many base voters don’t really care about politics that much. They want a preacher as much as a pol. Jindal is mimicking the Huckabee old time religion schtick. It’s probably not enough to get the nod, but it will get him some attention, especially if Huck doesn’t run.
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Lidane May 10, 2014 11:45:29am |
re: #145 darthstar
Well, this is good news…the FBI apparently frowns on people pointing loaded weapons at federal officers - including those who work for the Bureau of Land Management. So the Bundy Ranch militia could be seeing an end to some of those Second Amendment rights they so love…
Good. These whackaloons can’t just point loaded weapons at the government and brag about how many officers they have in their lines of sight and walk away from it. There are rules for a reason.
Oh wait. I forgot. These are white Christian patriots. The rules don’t apply to them. ///////////////////
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Decatur Deb May 10, 2014 11:47:52am |
re: #293 CuriousLurker
Seconded. These monsters need to be taken out. If we—and by “we” I mean any decent people involved in trying to resolve this—aren’t smart enough to figure out a way to defeat them, then we’re screwed.
Our advanced, modern culture starts to seem pretty empty & useless if it doesn’t provide us with the tools to effectively stop a bunch of murderous knuckle-draggers stealing our children.
It needs to be done as locally as possible. If Nigeria can be strengthened enough that’s the best way. Failing that, help an African multinational force take them on—they cross borders at will anyway.
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