Another Mass Shooting in Las Vegas: “Tell the Police the Revolution Has Begun”

Local news reports suspect was middle-aged white man
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Meanwhile in Las Vegas, we have another mass shooting by apparent anti-government lunatics; a report at KTNV: Two Suspects Dead After Police Shooting at Walmart Near Nellis and Stewart - www.ktnv.com.

Two police officers were said to have been shot after two suspects took their guns and ammunition a local Cici’s Pizza near Nellis and Stewart. They were taken to University Medical Center. Their condition is currently unknown.

The two suspects allegedly yelled ‘This is a revolution’ as they left the restaurant and headed to Walmart.

When the suspects entered Walmart, they shot and killed one citizen before going to the back of the store and engaging what officers called a suicide pact.

More details from KLAS-TV: UPDATE: Police Source: 1 Officer Dead, Following Shooting Near N - 8 News NOW.

Police say witnesses told them the suspects took the police officers’ gear and, as they were walking out of the restaurant after the shooting, they said, “tell the police the revolution has begun.”

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136 comments
1 steve_davis  Jun 8, 2014 1:53:29pm

Seriously? You’re gonna start a revolution with a trip to Cici’s Pizza? “We will either hang together, or hang separately,” Mr. Franklin was heard saying, as he tried to throw a triple-20 down at Bennigans……

2 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 1:54:30pm

I just hope it was just a couple of nutcases and there is no further coordination with other nutcases.

Downstairs, there’s tweets flying around that both police officers have died. :(

3 b.d.  Jun 8, 2014 1:55:25pm

So confused. Are we supposed to be alarmed when middle aged white guys come into a big box store with guns or not?

btw, pretty damn lame revolution.

Prayers for the victims, shame politicians don’t care about any of them.

4 nines09  Jun 8, 2014 1:55:45pm

So tell me once again how the only thing that stops a “bad” man with a gun is a “good” man with a gun. Maybe the NRA can release a memo and clear this up for once and for all?

5 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 8, 2014 1:55:49pm

We’ve had a number of lone wolf attacks by individual lunatics. These are fairly easy for the RWNJ-conspiracy industy to disclaim. Now it’s two, a bit harder to dismiss. When will it be 3? Then 30? Then 300?
Method (SA guns), motive (paranoid conspiracy theories) and opportunity (everywhere) are all there.

6 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 1:56:44pm

Five reported dead in North Las Vegas police ambush

reviewjournal.com

“Details are sketchy and police have not yet confirmed the deaths of the officers, but sources within the Las Vegas Police Department say both were shot and killed by a man and a woman who approached them as they at lunch at the CiCi’s Pizza store at 309 N. Nellis Boulevard shortly before 11:38 a.m.

(snip)

“At a news conference at about 1 p.m. Deputy Sheriff Kevin McMahill said the male shooter, described as a tall white man, yelled “everyone get out” before shooting.

“The man and woman then went to the back of the store and “there was some kind of suicide pact,” McMahill said.”

7 Dr Lizardo  Jun 8, 2014 1:56:56pm

re: #3 b.d.

So confused. Are we supposed to be alarmed when middle aged white guys come into a big box store with guns or not?

btw, pretty damn lame revolution.

Prayers for the victims, shame politicians don’t care about any of them.

Yeah, not much of a ‘revolution’ when the would-be revolutionaries kill themselves promptly after announcing the “revolution has begun”.

8 thedopefishlives  Jun 8, 2014 1:58:06pm

This is really getting ridiculous. I’m about the least in favor of gun control among the Lizardim, and at this point, I’m about ready to willingly give up my right to own guns if it meant things like this never happened again.

9 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 1:59:42pm

Damn, damn, damn.

Officials say suicide bombers kill 23 Shiite pilgrims in southwestern Pakistan - @AP
End of alert

10 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 8, 2014 2:02:10pm

Georgia. Seattle. And now Vegas. All just this week. When will enough be enough?

11 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:02:11pm

We are never going to get rid of guns in this country. By liberal counts, there are as many guns as people floating around. Guns are here to stay.

As a society we should figure out that some people just shouldn’t have guns, and find a system to keep guns out of those hands.

Who am I kidding? Any sensible gun debates are like farts in the wind, gone in an instant.

12 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 8, 2014 2:02:28pm

Sounds like the shooters intended a much larger incident and committed suicide only when they found themselves trapped in the Walmart. Why else would they take the officers’ gear if they only meant to carry out a suicide pact?

13 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 2:03:46pm
14 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:03:55pm

If I see a couple gunslingers in our CiCi’s now, is it OK to call 911?

(Dropped that downstairs.)

15 nines09  Jun 8, 2014 2:04:00pm

You never get the drop on crazy and the NRA has done everything they possibly could do to keep crazy armed.

16 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 8, 2014 2:05:01pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

We are never going to get rid of guns in this country. By liberal counts, there are as many guns as people floating around. Guns are here to stay.

As a society we should figure out that some people just shouldn’t have guns, and find a system to keep guns out of those hands.

Who am I kidding? Any sensible gun debates are like farts in the wind, gone in an instant.

Thanks to Alex Jones and his ilk, any rational discussion of this subject is automatically dismissed as the product of a totalitarian conspiracy. Jones is probably the most evil bastard in the country who has not actually murdered anyone (assuming he hasn’t).

17 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:05:21pm

Speaking of Alex Jones fans.

18 Dr Lizardo  Jun 8, 2014 2:05:34pm

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

Sounds like the shooters intended a much larger incident and committed suicide only when they found themselves trapped in the Walmart. Why else would they take the officers’ gear if they only meant to carry out a suicide pact?

That sounds pretty logical. Maybe they were planning some kind of massacre, but then all their would-be victims ran out of the store or something, and they found themselves trapped with no way out.

Stealing body-armor and other police gear is unnecessary if someone’s simply planning to kill themselves.

19 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:06:15pm
20 A Mom Anon  Jun 8, 2014 2:07:52pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

So they were organized until you put actual unpredictable factors into the plan, like frightened people. AKA Dumbass Stupid Fucking Assholes Who Should Never Have Access to Weapons.

21 nines09  Jun 8, 2014 2:07:53pm

re: #17 jaunte

Ah. Crazy speaks up.

22 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:08:47pm

re: #21 nines09

There is no conspiracy theory too complex or illogical to be floated.

23 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 2:08:59pm

re: #17 jaunte

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Speaking of Alex Jones fans.

Shouldn’t that be, “AlabamaStormfrontWatch”?

24 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 8, 2014 2:09:07pm

Normally I wouldn’t be concerned about this, but I know there are lot of those Bundy crackpots still in NV.

25 nines09  Jun 8, 2014 2:09:22pm

re: #22 jaunte

There is no conspiracy theory too complex or illogical to be floated.

Insanity is bottomless.

26 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:09:48pm

Youtube Video

27 Romantic Heretic  Jun 8, 2014 2:09:50pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

We are never going to get rid of guns in this country. By liberal counts, there are as many guns as people floating around. Guns are here to stay.

As a society we should figure out that some people just shouldn’t have guns, and find a system to keep guns out of those hands.

Who am I kidding? Any sensible gun debates are like farts in the wind, gone in an instant.

That’s because one side is arguing for practical methods of reducing gun violence and the other is arguing theology. They are not on the same planes of existence.

28 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:10:09pm

The last person to kill himself in this situation would be Cliven Bundy.

29 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 8, 2014 2:10:23pm

re: #18 Dr Lizardo

That sounds pretty logical. Maybe they were planning some kind of massacre, but then all their would-be victims ran out of the store or something, and they found themselves trapped with no way out.

Stealing body-armor and other police gear is unnecessary if someone’s simply planning to kill themselves.

I think that’s very likely. Walmart is big and there are a lot of ways out. This time of day it would not necessarily be very crowded. The would-be victims simply took off or hid, leaving the terrorists in the back and cops coming in the front door.

30 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:10:26pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

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The government does sell just about anybody cut-rate military weapons through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. It’s run out of Anniston Army Depot and Camp Perry.

31 thedopefishlives  Jun 8, 2014 2:10:41pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

We are never going to get rid of guns in this country. By liberal counts, there are as many guns as people floating around. Guns are here to stay.

As a society we should figure out that some people just shouldn’t have guns, and find a system to keep guns out of those hands.

Who am I kidding? Any sensible gun debates are like farts in the wind, gone in an instant.

That’s a pretty reasonable stance to take, and I agree with it. But, as you noted, it’ll never happen. You liberal commie gun-grabbing shill, you.

32 b.d.  Jun 8, 2014 2:11:28pm

The revolution has begun!

Youtube Video

33 nines09  Jun 8, 2014 2:11:38pm

re: #28 jaunte

The last person to kill himself in this situation would be Cliven Bundy.

Cliven would expect you to die. For him. And his rights. Because.

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 8, 2014 2:12:32pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

The government does sell just about anybody cut-rate military weapons through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. It’s run out of Anniston Army Depot and Camp Perry.

Running low these days. Even millions of Garands come to an end sooner or later. But $700 will still get you a basic “shooter” rifle just like dad/granddad carried in WWII or Korea.

35 Dr Lizardo  Jun 8, 2014 2:12:46pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel

I think that’s very likely. Walmart is big and there are a lot of ways out. This time of day it would not necessarily be very crowded. The would-be victims simply took off or hid, leaving the terrorists in the back and cops coming in the front door.

That scenario makes sense; of course, it’s speculative as the two “revolutionaries” have offed themselves, but it sounds logical.

So much for the revolution.

*headdesk*

36 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:13:50pm

re: #31 thedopefishlives

That’s a pretty reasonable stance to take, and I agree with it. But, as you noted, it’ll never happen. You liberal commie gun-grabbing shill, you.

I shall return! Obummer’s jack-booted thugs are at my front door right now coming for my two rifles and shotgun, gotta stand my ground, this is my castle!

37 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:14:09pm

The gunbloggers are pissed because of the rejection of the last attempt to repatriate a bunch of Garands from Korea. From what I’ve heard, they’re clapped-out shit.

38 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:15:01pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I shall return! Obummer’s jack-booted thugs are at my front door right now coming for my two rifles and shotgun, gotta stand my ground, this is my castle!

If they’re at your door, your moat sucks!

39 thedopefishlives  Jun 8, 2014 2:15:12pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I shall return! Obummer’s jack-booted thugs are at my front door right now coming for my two rifles and shotgun, gotta stand my ground, this is my castle!

Jack-booted thugs? See, the Indiana GOP TOLD you that Obama was turning the US into Nazi Germany.

40 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:15:18pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Religious artifacts.

41 KerFuFFler  Jun 8, 2014 2:16:08pm

Maybe the “revolution” was like Operation American Spring. Millions of gun toting conservatives swore they would march into DC and remove our elected officials so they could restore’ the Constitution, but only a few crackpots turned up.

42 b.d.  Jun 8, 2014 2:16:28pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

I shall return! Obummer’s jack-booted thugs are at my front door right now coming for my two rifles and shotgun, gotta stand my ground, this is my castle!

I accidentally googled pressure cookers and now my house is surrounded.

//

43 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:16:37pm

Obama is not coming for your guns, dipshits. Obama is selling you cheap guns.

thecmp.org

44 Charles Johnson  Jun 8, 2014 2:17:09pm
45 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:17:42pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

If they’re at your door, your moat sucks!

Sharks with friggin lasers attached to their head were waaay too expensive.

*Obummer stormtrooper tries to grab my shotgun out of my hand* Give that back you pinko fascist!!!

46 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:18:04pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Of the heretics who hate pizza with pineapple.

47 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:18:04pm

re: #41 KerFuFFler

Maybe the “revolution” was like Operation American Spring. Millions of gun toting conservatives swore they would march into DC and remove our elected officials so they could restore’ the Constitution, but only a few crackpots turned up.

The rest probably deployed at Pizza Hut. Always some son of a bitch that doesn’t get the message.

48 b.d.  Jun 8, 2014 2:18:09pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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FREE SPEECH!! 1ST AMENDMENT!!!!!

49 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 8, 2014 2:18:42pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

The government does sell just about anybody cut-rate military weapons through the Civilian Marksmanship Program. It’s run out of Anniston Army Depot and Camp Perry.

CMP currently has the following rifles for sale:

M1 Garand
M1 Carbine
M1917 Enfield
22 Target Surplus
22 Target Commercial
Air Rifles
Misc. Rifles
Creedmoor Rifles & Accessories

None of these are popular among the nutcase/militia crowd. In practical terms some of them would be well suited to a survivalist “stuff hits the fan” scenario but they do not appeal to the underlying fantasy, which is what really matters. The Creedmoor rifle is a highly modified ‘03 Springfield for long range target shooting.

50 thedopefishlives  Jun 8, 2014 2:20:36pm

re: #48 b.d.

FREE SPEECH!! 1ST AMENDMENT!!!!!

This user has been blocked.

RUTHLESSLY CRUSHING DISSENT!

51 Jay in Oregon  Jun 8, 2014 2:20:45pm

re: #8 thedopefishlives

That’s just want the tyrant Obama wants you to think!

But seriously—how is this not terrorism? Even better, we have an assault going on in Pakistan that we can directly compare this to. We have people engaging in violence to further a political cause (beginning “the revolution” here, not sure what the cause is it Pakistan yet).

When can we start calling this domestic terrorism? When they start wearing explosive vests into shopping centers? When they blow up another Federal building?

In Alaska they had a trial a few months ago for a “sovereign citizen” who was organizing a hit list of Alaska State Troopers and Federal judges in a “2-4-1” plan: every time one of the militia members was arrested, they’d kidnap someone on the list; if a militia member was killed, they’d assassinate someone on the list. If a member’s house was seized by the government, they’d burn a government building down. (A Federal judge that my sister worked for was on the list, and I went to high school with two Alaska State Troopers that were targeted.)

I’m starting to think that “The Revolution” may actually be starting, and the right-wingers in the media are keeping us distracted long enough to let it really get on a roll.

52 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:21:01pm

Finally scared away those pesky Obummer Civil Patrol fucks trying to take my guns. I told them to go away or I shall taunt them a second time!

53 bratwurst  Jun 8, 2014 2:21:43pm

And now a very rare breed…prominent Republican misogynist:

54 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:22:08pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

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Well, you stomped out Karmaface and Waitawhile. How much more electron-shed do you need on your hands?

55 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:23:01pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

Who dat?

56 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:23:47pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

CMP currently has the following rifles for sale:

None of these are popular among the nutcase/militia crowd. In practical terms some of them would be well suited to a survivalist “stuff hits the fan” scenario but they do not appeal to the underlying fantasy, which is what really matters. The Creedmoor rifle is a highly modified ‘03 Springfield for long range target shooting.

Devilishly clever. Let’s sell them rifles, then confiscate them and sell them again.

Idiots.

57 Gus  Jun 8, 2014 2:24:26pm

This is who we’re dealing with. This same asshole from earlier.

58 Gus  Jun 8, 2014 2:24:51pm

With bonus bald eagle avi.

59 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:25:07pm

re: #55 Ding-an-sich Wannabe

Who dat?

Two shits that passed in the night, expanding the Bergdahl/Swiftboat angst on one of the pages. Stinky was not amused.

60 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:25:32pm

re: #57 Gus

This is who we’re dealing with. This same asshole from earlier.

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Call me paranoid

Okay. You’re paranoid!

Want a second opinion?

Okay, you’re an idiot too!!!

61 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:26:15pm

re: #57 Gus

This is who we’re dealing with. This same asshole from earlier.

[Call me paranoid

YOU’RE PARANOID!!

62 b.d.  Jun 8, 2014 2:26:28pm

re: #57 Gus

This is who we’re dealing with. This same asshole from earlier.

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That guy is paranoid and a nutjob.

63 Charles Johnson  Jun 8, 2014 2:26:40pm

BEES

64 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:26:42pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

YOU’RE PARANOID!!

Hey. He’s paranoid ,, not deaf!!!

65 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:27:15pm

re: #58 Gus

With bonus bald eagle avi.

No doubt raves about “common sense”.

66 b.d.  Jun 8, 2014 2:27:25pm

re: #58 Gus

With bonus bald eagle avi.

re: #58 Gus

With bonus bald eagle avi.

3,341 followers

*shudder*

67 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:27:33pm

re: #57 Gus

In a way I feel sorry for these miserable fucks. They live life in constant fear and hatred, probably never having a chance to appreciate the beauty and poetry that is life.

68 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:27:58pm

re: #61 Decatur Deb

YOU’RE PARANOID!!

Youtube Video

69 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:28:06pm

re: #57 Gus

For the record, I fully expect Obama to attempt imprisoning mass numbers of Christians & conservatives before he’s done. Call me paranoid

As soon as Obama steps down at the end of his term this doofus will be on to the next authority figure he fears.

70 Gus  Jun 8, 2014 2:28:12pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

BEES

BUNGALOWS

71 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:28:14pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

Hey. He’s paranoid ,, not deaf!!!

if they don’t understand you, yell louder. I learned that overseas.

72 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:28:53pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

if they don’t understand you, yell louder. I learned that overseas.

and slower

73 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:29:01pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

BEES

What never mind, none of my beeswax.

74 Gus  Jun 8, 2014 2:29:14pm

FOR THE RECORD, I FULLY EXPECT OBAMA TO ATTEMPT IMPRISONING MASS NUMBERS OF CHRISTIANS & CONSERVATIVES BEFORE HE’S DONE. CALL ME PARANOID

75 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:29:16pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

re: #72 sattv4u2

and slower

with hand gestures this time!!

76 sagehen  Jun 8, 2014 2:29:29pm

So when the guys walk into Walmart with all those weapons, are we supposed to be not alarmed because “oh, it’s probably just those Open Carry Texas folk expanding their display activism to another state?”

Or should we, when next we see the OCT folk entering a premises… stand our ground because we fear they’re Las Vegas Revolutionaries?

I’m so confused.

77 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:29:31pm

re: #72 sattv4u2

and slower

With big mouth movements.

78 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 2:30:32pm

re: #76 sagehen

So when the guys walk into Walmart with all those weapons, are we supposed to be not alarmed because “oh, it’s probably just those Open Carry Texas folk expanding their display activism to another state?”

Or should we, when next we see the OCT folk entering a premises… stand our ground because we fear they’re Las Vegas Revolutionaries?

I’m so confused.

I wouldn’t fucking stick around to find out.

79 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:30:37pm

OK, I promise I won’t abuse it. What’s the code for Big Letters?

80 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:30:38pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

With big mouth movements.

hey,, what you do in the privacy of your own domicile ,,,,,,,

81 Jay in Oregon  Jun 8, 2014 2:30:42pm

re: #66 b.d.

WTF? I have around 260 followers, and I suspect a third of them are bots.

The moral of the story: less talk about D&D and computers, more talk about the tyrant Obummer and his plan to turn the Oval Office into a Nazi mosque?

82 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:30:52pm

re: #74 Gus

FOR THE RECORD, I FULLY EXPECT OBAMA TO ATTEMPT IMPRISONING MASS NUMBERS OF CHRISTIANS & CONSERVATIVES BEFORE HE’S DONE. CALL ME PARANOID

Understatement of the Year 2014 Award goes to…

83 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:31:00pm

re: #76 sagehen

So when the guys walk into Walmart with all those weapons, are we supposed to be not alarmed because “oh, it’s probably just those Open Carry Texas folk expanding their display activism to another state?”

Or should we, when next we see the OCT folk entering a premises… stand our ground because we fear they’re Las Vegas Revolutionaries?

Tough decision for law enforcement.

84 Gus  Jun 8, 2014 2:31:07pm

re: #79 teleskiguy

OK, I promise I won’t abuse it. What’s the code for Big Letters?

Like wingnut but use the word large instead.

85 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:32:08pm

Beeg

86 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 2:32:35pm

Pakistan Army says the main terminal of the Karachi airport is now secure. All surviving terrorists now ‘contained in one area’- @timcraigpost
see original on twitter.com

87 Jay in Oregon  Jun 8, 2014 2:32:38pm

re: #76 sagehen

I said it on the other thread: I’m starting to wonder if the Open Carry types are trying to create future shooting victims by desensitizing them to the presence of assault weapons in public.

88 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:32:46pm

re: #83 jaunte

Tough decision for law enforcement.

Not in Las Vegas, not this week.

89 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:32:58pm

re: #85 jaunte

Beegos?

90 teleskiguy  Jun 8, 2014 2:33:15pm

Got it. Thanks, Gus! Oops. Probably don’t need to yell. :p

91 Gus  Jun 8, 2014 2:33:49pm

CALL ME PARANOID

92 Varek Raith  Jun 8, 2014 2:34:14pm

re: #91 Gus

CALL ME PARANOID

No.

93 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:34:15pm
94 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:34:49pm

re: #91 Gus

CALL ME PARANOID

No!

95 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:34:51pm

re: #93 jaunte

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succinct!

96 Ding-an-sich Wannabe  Jun 8, 2014 2:35:51pm

re: #91 Gus

CALL ME PARANOID

Been smokin’ again, Ishmael?

97 Dr Lizardo  Jun 8, 2014 2:36:03pm

re: #76 sagehen

So when the guys walk into Walmart with all those weapons, are we supposed to be not alarmed because “oh, it’s probably just those Open Carry Texas folk expanding their display activism to another state?”

Or should we, when next we see the OCT folk entering a premises… stand our ground because we fear they’re Las Vegas Revolutionaries?

I’m so confused.

That’s a good question.

What happens when an Open Carry activist walks into a Home Depot, or a Wal-Mart, or whatnot with his AR-15 and a Stand Your Ground type sees that, assumes that the Open Carry activist is there to perpetrate some kind of massacre, and blows him away?

That’ll be an interesting clash of wingnut philosophies, to say the very least.

98 Gus  Jun 8, 2014 2:37:17pm
99 KerFuFFler  Jun 8, 2014 2:37:22pm

re: #76 sagehen

So when the guys walk into Walmart with all those weapons, are we supposed to be not alarmed because “oh, it’s probably just those Open Carry Texas folk expanding their display activism to another state?”

Or should we, when next we see the OCT folk entering a premises… stand our ground because we fear they’re Las Vegas Revolutionaries?

I’m so confused.

Exactly! Took the words out of my mouth.

100 Jay in Oregon  Jun 8, 2014 2:37:29pm

re: #83 jaunte

Tough decision for law enforcement.

I’m not well-versed in the laws about what someone is allowed to open carry and in what places, so I’ll make it easy.

If I see someone carrying an assault weapon in public, I’m calling 911. The SWAT team can determine whether it’s a crackpot with a death wish or someone with major insecurity issues.

101 Killgore Trout  Jun 8, 2014 2:37:51pm

latimes.com

“I saw at least three of them,” he said. “They looked like Uzbeks and Chinese. They were not local. They were wearing suicide jackets and had a lot of ammunition with them. They went toward the runway while firing.”

102 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 2:42:40pm

I see the thread just got killed, too.

103 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 8, 2014 2:43:03pm

re: #57 Gus

This is who we’re dealing with. This same asshole from earlier.

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Oh I blocked him already. But I think maybe I will unblock him just for Teh Lulz.

104 goddamnedfrank  Jun 8, 2014 2:43:06pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

CMP currently has the following rifles for sale:

Only the Garands, .22 target and air rifles are guaranteed available. Carbines and Enfields are sold by auction only on a case by case basis. Six carbines up for auction right now, all currently bid over $800 with five days left. No Enfields currently in stock.

WWII reenactors and collectors have really impacted the market in the last fifteen years or so. USGI Carbines used to be cheap as hell, you could walk into any gun store and see a barrel or two chock full of ‘em, now they’re seriously expensive and damned hard to find in decent shape.

105 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 8, 2014 2:44:28pm

BTW, screwdrivers with grapefruit juice are DELICIOUS.

106 Stanley Sea  Jun 8, 2014 2:44:30pm

Foreign terrorist porn v. domestic terrorist in a State right next to mine.

107 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 8, 2014 2:44:47pm

re: #91 Gus

CALL ME PARANOID

Hi Paranoid, I’m Marvin.

108 Lidane  Jun 8, 2014 2:44:48pm

re: #67 teleskiguy

In a way I feel sorry for these miserable fucks. They live life in constant fear and hatred, probably never having a chance to appreciate the beauty and poetry that is life.

I can’t imagine living that way. The normal ups and downs of life are hard enough. Adding a bunch of delusions about POTUS creating prison camps and rounding up Christians or whatever just makes no sense. Why would you add that kind of paranoia and stress to your mind for no reason?

109 Stanley Sea  Jun 8, 2014 2:44:59pm

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

BTW, screwdrivers with grapefruit juice are DELICIOUS.

Salty dog - rim the glass with salt.

110 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 8, 2014 2:45:27pm

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

BTW, screwdrivers with grapefruit juice are DELICIOUS.

You haven’t lived until you’ve tried Nail Guns with Lime juice

111 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:45:52pm

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

BTW, screwdrivers with grapefruit juice are DELICIOUS.

It’s called a Vodka Greyhound, not a screwdriver

112 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:45:55pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

latimes.com

“I saw at least three of them,” he said. “They looked like Uzbeks and Chinese. They were not local. They were wearing suicide jackets and had a lot of ammunition with them. They went toward the runway while firing.”

Please be specific. We’re working a couple massacres here.

113 Justanotherhuman  Jun 8, 2014 2:46:20pm
114 Shiplord Kirel  Jun 8, 2014 2:47:01pm

re: #97 Dr Lizardo

That’s a good question.

What happens when an Open Carry activist walks into a Home Depot, or a Wal-Mart, or whatnot with his AR-15 and a Stand Your Ground type sees that, assumes that the Open Carry activist is there to perpetrate some kind of massacre, and blows him away?

That’ll be an interesting clash of wingnut philosophies, to say the very least.

It’s only a matter of time. Actually I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. The reason is that these demonstrations have usually been carefully choreographed by competent, albeit depraved, media types like Alex Jones. As soon as the rank and file join in on their own, there will be some shooting.

115 Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 8, 2014 2:47:17pm

Two open carry activists walk into a bar…

116 thedopefishlives  Jun 8, 2014 2:48:52pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

Two open carry activists walk into a bar…

Everybody else runs out.

117 Decatur Deb  Jun 8, 2014 2:49:07pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

It’s only a matter of time. Actually I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. The reason is that these demonstrations have usually been carefully choreographed by competent, albeit depraved, media types like Alex Jones. As soon as the rank and file join in on their own, there will be some shooting.

Open Carry Texas has already factioned, with the ‘sane’ rump group insisting on notification w/ LE, the Young Doofi playing for surprise.

118 William Barnett-Lewis  Jun 8, 2014 2:50:04pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

CMP currently has the following rifles for sale:

None of these are popular among the nutcase/militia crowd. In practical terms some of them would be well suited to a survivalist “stuff hits the fan” scenario but they do not appeal to the underlying fantasy, which is what really matters. The Creedmoor rifle is a highly modified ‘03 Springfield for long range target shooting.

Huh? Oh, in theory they have those for sale. Right now there are Garands for sale & M1 carbines for auction, IIUC. They ran out of refub drill rifle 1903’s a couple of years ago and haven’t had 1917’s in ages. Pity as I’d dearly love an Eddystone.

119 Pie-onist Overlord  Jun 8, 2014 2:50:33pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

It’s called a Vodka Greyhound, not a screwdriver

I’ll have to remember that if I am ever in a bar.

120 jaunte  Jun 8, 2014 2:50:34pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

They may be ultimately surprised by failing to become old doofi.

121 Dr Lizardo  Jun 8, 2014 2:52:14pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel

It’s only a matter of time. Actually I’m surprised it hasn’t happened already. The reason is that these demonstrations have usually been carefully choreographed by competent, albeit depraved, media types like Alex Jones. As soon as the rank and file join in on their own, there will be some shooting.

Yeah, I figure it’s only a matter of time as well, and given the nature of SYG laws, I’d say that person has a pretty good case for opening fire on OC activists. He or she felt immediately threatened at the presence of a guy in camo with an AR-15 walking down the aisle.

122 Dr Lizardo  Jun 8, 2014 2:53:08pm

re: #117 Decatur Deb

Open Carry Texas has already factioned, with the ‘sane’ rump group insisting on notification w/ LE, the Young Doofi playing for surprise.

It’s the Young Doofi who are most likely to get themselves killed by a CCW-bearing SYG type.

123 Jay in Oregon  Jun 8, 2014 2:55:45pm

re: #108 Lidane

Adding a bunch of delusions about POTUS creating prison camps and rounding up Christians or whatever just makes no sense. Why would you add that kind of paranoia and stress to your mind for no reason?

I’ve had this bookmarked for a while now: psychologytoday.com

Victim identity is identification with bad treatment you have suffered. It is focus on perceived damage at the hands of someone else or on personal weaknesses you feel were exploited by someone else. Damage and weakness become an integral part of your identity.

[Emphasis mine] Victim identity carries a retaliation impulse that eventually rises to the level of revenge, enacted either passively (negative attributions and sabotage) or dramatically. All abusers and violent criminals suffer from victim identity, which, in their minds, justifies their abuse and crimes. The retaliation motive of victim identity is so great that you can reliably use the following as a guideline: If you feel chronically like a victim, you are most likely abusive in some way.

124 Lidane  Jun 8, 2014 2:56:39pm

re: #111 sattv4u2

It’s called a Vodka Greyhound, not a screwdriver

And if you use a salt-rimmed glass, it’s a Salty Dog.

125 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:57:11pm

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

I’ll have to remember that if I am ever in a bar.

Probably don’t have to remember it

If you order a Grapefruit and Vodka, thats what they’ll bring you
If you order a screwdriver, they’ll bring it with OJ

126 GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 8, 2014 2:59:07pm

re: #105 Pie-onist Overlord

BTW, screwdrivers with grapefruit juice are DELICIOUS.

Phillips or flathead?

127 sattv4u2  Jun 8, 2014 2:59:53pm

re: #126 GlutenFreeJesus

Phillips or flathead?

if you wear a hat, nobody notices!

128 Lidane  Jun 8, 2014 3:06:26pm

re: #119 Pie-onist Overlord

I’ll have to remember that if I am ever in a bar.

It’s super easy:

Screwdriver = OJ & vodka

Greyhound = Grapefruit & vodka

Salty Dog = Grapefruit & vodka + a salt-rimmed glass

Sea Breeze = Grapefruit & cranberry & vodka + lime

Cape Cod = Cranberry & vodka + lime

129 Jay in Oregon  Jun 8, 2014 3:08:19pm

re: #100 Jay in Oregon

Hm. On the other hand…

dallasnews.com

A 60-year-old Collin County woman, who asked not to be identified, said she was driving to a mall in March when she saw men with guns on a State Highway 121 overpass. She did not know they were Open Carry members, and she called Plano police.

Several weeks later, an Open Carry supporter posted her name and phone number on YouTube. She began to receive threatening texts and calls, she said.

“They were calling me names I haven’t heard since I was in middle school,” she said. “They were calling me a whore and all kinds of nasty names. … I think there’s some really crazy, unstable people out there.”

What better way to demonstrate that you’re a good guy with a gun than threatening to kill old ladies?

130 Bear  Jun 8, 2014 3:22:56pm

re: #118 William Barnett-Lewis

1917 Enfield servicable $7.50. Late 1940s.

131 Romantic Heretic  Jun 8, 2014 3:22:57pm

re: #53 bratwurst

And now a very rare breed…prominent Republican misogynist:

[Embedded content]

Holy crap! I used to have some respect for Will. Now it appears that he has caught the same batshit insanity that the vast majority of ‘conservatives’ suffer from.

Oi vay iz mir.

132 Sophist, D.D., DDS, DFH  Jun 8, 2014 4:46:02pm

re: #129 Jay in Oregon

“I do have ammo just in case,” he said. “We have a lot of people who take issue with what I’m doing.”

Firing on attackers, Perez said, might be his only option. “If we’re out on a march today and we have a situation where they don’t like us and they try to run us over with a car,” he said, “I may have to defend myself.”

These people are such children.

133 Belafon  Jun 8, 2014 5:26:23pm

re: #91 Gus

Did Ishmael finally get around to writing “20,000 Guns in the Bunker”?

134 BadExampleMan  Jun 8, 2014 9:34:20pm

That’s right, the shooters tossed a Gadsden flag over the bodies of their victims. I’m sure that’s purely a coincidence, they were looking to start a revolution in color schemes or something. Nothing to do with Cliven Bundy’s loony supporters or the Tea Party in general. Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along.

135 Jay in Oregon  Jun 8, 2014 10:28:58pm

re: #134 BadExampleMan

That’s right, the shooters tossed a Gadsden flag over the bodies of their victims. I’m sure that’s purely a coincidence, they were looking to start a revolution in color schemes or something. Nothing to do with Cliven Bundy’s loony supporters or the Tea Party in general. Nope. Nothing to see here. Move along.

…false flag?

136 Integral Doc  Jun 9, 2014 12:43:36am

Perhaps it’s time to have a serious discussion about the Right to Own a Gun with the responsibility of keeping it secure? Shift the onus/liability of ownership to the gun owner. Strengthen liability laws in a way that demands that manufacturers of guns use the appropriate technology to make them unusable in the wrong hands and owners who fail to report stolen weapons in a timely manner, at least partially responsible for the damages they cause.

Let “Free Market Capitalism” determine the actual costs/risks of extending ownership rights to any given individual……..young, stupid, inexperienced pays a very high premium for a gun…..older, proven safety record, satisfactory health evaluations, etc. lower premium. Some guns associated with low risk of misuse, low premium, etc.


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