1 | Rightwingconspirator Jun 29, 2014 7:51:46pm |
Always amazing what some will stoop to. When all they have is lies.
Anatomy of an Evil Smear http://t.co/SAxsMA0j9c Measure your friends by their enemies— Daniel Ballard (@RW_Conspirator) June 30, 2014
2 | Charles Johnson Jun 29, 2014 7:55:40pm |
re: #1 Rightwingconspirator
I know we disagree on some issues, but I really do count you as a friend. Thanks.
3 | Charles Johnson Jun 29, 2014 7:59:57pm |
Yes, this is the second post on this subject — but these people are trying to falsely associate me with one of the worst mass murderers in history, and I’m not going to ignore it any more.
4 | GlutenFreeJesus Jun 29, 2014 8:00:06pm |
That’s not even a good attempt at hiding their lies. It’s like they know their audience is stupid. And they aren’t wrong.
5 | 1Peter G1 Jun 29, 2014 8:01:23pm |
Look on the bright side. You’re not really anybody until Glenn has tried to fabricate something about you.
6 | teleskiguy Jun 29, 2014 8:09:47pm |
The purveyor of my favorite blog displays how low stalkers go to advance their agenda. Anatomy of an Evil Smear http://t.co/CyAYYStrAI— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) June 30, 2014
7 | Rightwingconspirator Jun 29, 2014 8:10:28pm |
re: #2 Charles Johnson
Thanks much. I’m happy to step up for one of the few places among blogs that respect the truth and have a heart on the internet.
8 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 8:14:14pm |
re: #3 Charles Johnson
Yes, this is the second post on this subject — but these people are trying to falsely associate me with one of the worst mass murderers in history, and I’m not going to ignore it any more.
That dude was saying shit about me before on Twitter. Freaking crazy.
9 | teleskiguy Jun 29, 2014 8:18:39pm |
re: #7 Rightwingconspirator
blogs that respect the truth and have a heart on the internet.
Well put. I’ve been reading LGF for about 10 years now. In the aughts I came here for a decidedly “right-wing” point of view. I didn’t much care for the anti-Islam stuff (mostly in the comments) and the Bush apologetics. But the fact of the matter is I’ve been reading LGF everyday for 10 years and I’ve witnessed an evolution. Charles has changed, and he admits it freely. Charles goes out of his way to welcome people of all faiths and people with no faith. We even have some well rounded righties that have been commenting here for 10 years and always provide a sane right wing perspective (I’m looking at you DF). I especially appreciate the pushback against the anti-science wing of the right. That was probably the thread that made me, *ahem* loyal.
OK, what was this post about? LGF is legit. Yeah.
10 | Charles Johnson Jun 29, 2014 8:19:42pm |
I'm not going to stand still while Greenwald cultists try to falsely associate me with a mass murderer: http://t.co/MLpCMIHhg0— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 30, 2014
11 | Belafon Jun 29, 2014 8:20:02pm |
Just cleaned out my email, and had to pause: Richard Dean Anderson is a Al Frankin supporter (Anderson is from Minnesota). The email even includes a picture of him from his MacGyver days.
12 | Testy Toad T Jun 29, 2014 8:20:55pm |
I know I shouldn’t find this as funny as I do, but some things can’t be helped.
You’re going for a hateful smear of a completely IRRELEVANT!!!! internet punditocracy personality and you can’t even be bothered to fire up MSPaint? Just crop ‘n go, leaving five or eight pixels of laziness at the bottom? Like nobody will notice that or wonder what’s up with it?
Christ, okay, fine. So you’re going to produce and promulgate a fake chart. Could you, I dunno, put a little effort into it? Three, maybe five minutes for the cause you allegedly adore?
Lazy, sloppy, misanthropic garbage. None more dudebro. You can find a picture of this in the dictionary (badly cropped, of course).
13 | teleskiguy Jun 29, 2014 8:22:50pm |
14 | Testy Toad T Jun 29, 2014 8:23:03pm |
re: #11 Belafon
I think Franken’s a neat guy, but I expected (at best) a replacement-level Senator. He’s been an astonishing surprise to me. I don’t always agree with him, surely, but he takes the job seriously and acts with rational consideration and a recognition of the gravity of his post.
15 | William Barnett-Lewis Jun 29, 2014 8:23:11pm |
re: #11 Belafon
Just cleaned out my email, and had to pause: Richard Dean Anderson is a Al Frankin supporter (Anderson is from Minnesota). The email even includes a picture of him from his MacGyver days.
One of the more enjoyable TV shows in my memory. Almost, though not quite, up to the level of Magnum PI. And only Rockford Files, Star Trek (Classic, Next Gen & what I saw of DS 9) and (best) Hill Street Blues are beyond that.
17 | Testy Toad T Jun 29, 2014 8:25:11pm |
If we had the Bush-memo photoshoppers active against the far-left/right these days, we could probably convince them that toads are a Secret Master Race from the Moon, or something.
Pathetically lazy people, both in real-world effort and intellectual curiosity. It’s so sad. They’re not stupid, per se. They could contribute so much more, most of them.
18 | teleskiguy Jun 29, 2014 8:29:17pm |
OK. Let’s see how IRRELEVANT!!!! my Twitter account is, as Charles retweeted my tweet of this article to his nearly 10,000 followers.
*crickets*
Oh wait, I have a new follower!
Twitter is like that rat with an electrode attached to his brain and the rat keeps hitting the electric switch over and over again to get pleasure.
19 | teleskiguy Jun 29, 2014 8:33:09pm |
I hate the fucking word “meta” and yet I used it in a tweet today. Fuck me.
Meta RT @KarlreMarks: What a weird world we live in. Before you can watch a jihadi video from Syria, you have to watch a 30-second X-box ad.— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) June 29, 2014
20 | Killgore Trout Jun 29, 2014 8:52:03pm |
I'm very unhappy about Facebook's emotion manipulation study. Or sad. Or maybe a little happy. No, wait, sad. Angry. And ecstatic. Sorta.— Tom Nichols (@TheWarRoom_Tom) June 30, 2014
21 | Charles Johnson Jun 29, 2014 9:06:28pm |
@Green_Footballs already covered, Breivik boy https://t.co/B4BQpsba06 and your fan Breivik did cite you 33 times pic.twitter.com/qU1oWEsJFR— Daniel (@dan_verg_) June 30, 2014
22 | Testy Toad T Jun 29, 2014 9:09:54pm |
re: #21 Charles Johnson
I think it’s sort of funny that the OMG NSA DON’T TRACKS ME crowd is so frequently the sort that will dig up (and twist) random comments from a decade ago in order to support their point. People can never change, or be misinterpreted, or whatever. Once something is said, once, in any venue, ever, it can be hung around the guy’s neck, context-free, in perpetuity.
I trust that parody is lost on them.
23 | teleskiguy Jun 29, 2014 9:11:40pm |
24 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:01:40pm |
Wow. This guy is one serious whacko. Did some research. Might be a life long stalker.
25 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 29, 2014 10:02:15pm |
Wow.
This is OT…but damn, this is some crazy shit tonight in the NYT:
WASHINGTON — Just weeks before Blackwater guards fatally shot 17 civilians at Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007, the State Department began investigating the security contractor’s operations in Iraq. But the inquiry was abandoned after Blackwater’s top manager there issued a threat: “that he could kill” the government’s chief investigator and “no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” according to department reports.
American Embassy officials in Baghdad sided with Blackwater rather than the State Department investigators as a dispute over the probe escalated in August 2007, the previously undisclosed documents show. The officials told the investigators that they had disrupted the embassy’s relationship with the security contractor and ordered them to leave the country, according to the reports…
…Blackwater was also overbilling the State Department by manipulating its personnel records, using guards assigned to the State Department contract for other work and falsifying other staffing data on the contract, the investigators concluded.
A Blackwater-affiliated firm was forcing “third country nationals” — low-paid workers from Pakistan, Yemen and other countries, including some who performed guard duty at Blackwater’s compound — to live in squalid conditions, sometimes three to a cramped room with no bed, according to the report by the investigators.
The investigators concluded that Blackwater was getting away with such conduct because embassy personnel had gotten too close to the contractor.
On Aug. 20, 2007, Mr. Richter was called in to the office of the embassy’s regional security officer, Bob Hanni, who said he had received a call asking him to document Mr. Richter’s “inappropriate behavior.” Mr. Richter quickly called his supervisor in Washington, who instructed him to take Mr. Thomas with him to all remaining meetings in Baghdad, his report noted.
The next day, the two men met with Daniel Carroll, Blackwater’s project manager in Iraq, to discuss the investigation, including a complaint over food quality and sanitary conditions at a cafeteria in Blackwater’s compound. Mr. Carroll barked that Mr. Richter could not tell him what to do about his cafeteria, Mr. Richter’s report said. The Blackwater official went on to threaten the agent and say he would not face any consequences, according to Mr. Richter’s later account.
Mr. Carroll said “that he could kill me at that very moment and no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” Mr. Richter wrote in a memo to senior State Department officials in Washington. He noted that Mr. Carroll had formerly served with Navy SEAL Team 6, an elite unit.
“Mr. Carroll’s statement was made in a low, even tone of voice, his head was slightly lowered; his eyes were fixed on mine,” Mr. Richter stated in his memo. “I took Mr. Carroll’s threat seriously. We were in a combat zone where things can happen quite unexpectedly, especially when issues involve potentially negative impacts on a lucrative security contract.”
He added that he was especially alarmed because Mr. Carroll was Blackwater’s leader in Iraq, and “organizations take on the attitudes and mannerisms of their leader.”
Mr. Thomas witnessed the exchange and corroborated Mr. Richter’s version of events in a separate statement, writing that Mr. Carroll’s comments were “unprofessional and threatening in nature.” He added that others in Baghdad had told the two investigators to be “very careful,” considering that their review could jeopardize job security for Blackwater personnel.
Mr. Richter was shocked when embassy officials sided with Mr. Carroll and ordered Mr. Richter and Mr. Thomas to leave Iraq immediately, according to the documents. On Aug. 23, Ricardo Colon, the acting regional security officer at the embassy, wrote in an email that Mr. Richter and Mr. Thomas had become “unsustainably disruptive to day-to-day operations and created an unnecessarily hostile environment for a number of contract personnel.” The two men cut short their inquiry and returned to Washington the next day.
I was wondering how the situation in the Green Zone had gotten so bad with civilian contractors that you could have an outright rape of a KBR employee end up being turned into a persecution and actual imprisonment of the victim. (easy enough to find on google). Stuff I read suggested that there was absolutely no federal LE presence or protocol, and that outfits like Blackwater and Triple Canopy had turned all of Iraq into some weird hybrid of the Wild West mixed with mercenary wonderland Rhodesia circa 1968.
26 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:03:36pm |
re: #25 Aunty Entity Dragon
Wow.
This is OT…but damn, this is some crazy shit tonight in the NYT:
I was wondering how the situation in the Green Zone had gotten so bad with civilian contractors that you could have an outright rape of a KBR employee end up being turned into a persecution and actual imprisonment of the victim. (easy enough to find on google). Stuff I read suggested that there was absolutely no federal LE presence or protocol, and that outfits like Blackwater and Triple Canopy had turned all of Iraq into some weird hybrid of the Wild West mixed with mercenary wonderland Rhodesia circa 1968.
Two wows in a row! An angel gets its wings. :D Yeah, creepy. Blackwater is fucked up.
27 | klys Jun 29, 2014 10:07:00pm |
re: #24 Gus
Wow. This guy is one serious whacko. Did some research. Might be a life long stalker.
I’m assuming this is the actual definition of stalker and not the one where someone merely asks questions on a discussion site.
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28 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:07:39pm |
re: #27 klys
I’m assuming this is the actual definition of stalker and not the one where someone merely asks questions on a discussion site.
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Yes. :D
29 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:09:10pm |
Was hot today in Denver. Hit 95F. Feeling a cool breeze now. Ahhhh. Still better than freezing though. :D
30 | Kragar Jun 29, 2014 10:10:17pm |
Rick Santorum: Founding fathers had right idea limiting those who could vote http://t.co/zkqrpPnn2p— Kragar (@Kragar_LGF) June 30, 2014
Santorum noted that one need look at history of the U.S.
“Were we ready for an election when the United States was formed to have everybody in the United States vote? Well, our Founders didn’t think so, ” he stated. “They limited the people who could vote in an election. Now you could say that’s horrible, that’s terrible. Well, maybe it was, maybe it wasn’t. But it was a decision that was made to make sure that there was some continuity and stability within the government that was consistent with the values the government was founded upon.”
31 | klys Jun 29, 2014 10:10:47pm |
re: #29 Gus
Was hot today in Denver. Hit 95F. Feeling a cool breeze now. Ahhhh. Still better than freezing though. :D
If I could figure out how to make it work, I would send you all our warm weather and take all your cold.
32 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:13:08pm |
re: #31 klys
If I could figure out how to make it work, I would send you all our warm weather and take all your cold.
Hasn’t been cold for a while though. In any event. Here’s Cat. :D
This is a picture of Cat. Not his real name for privacy purposes. He's the mouse pad occupier. pic.twitter.com/aavf1fZiym— Gus (@Gus_802) June 30, 2014
33 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 29, 2014 10:13:27pm |
re: #26 Gus
Two wows in a row! An angel gets its wings. :D Yeah, creepy. Blackwater is fucked up.
The founder of Blackwater, Eric Prince, is the brother of Betsy DeVos, who is married to a VP of Amway. They are serious wingnut fanatics who use their considerable financial resources to get rid of public schools and set up wingnut charter schools that fleece tax payer dollars to provide fundamentalist Christian education. I did an extensive paper on her various astroturf “charities” a couple of years ago. Stuff like “All Children Matter” and “American Federation for Children” which don’t seem to have emloyees but still spend millions in union busting (and paying fines for breaking campign finance laws).
Great family.
34 | teleskiguy Jun 29, 2014 10:13:50pm |
The Colorado governors race should be interesting. John Hickenlooper (D) has been rather centrist in his approach to governance in Colorado. Energy development, cannabis, guns, buisness, Hick has been all over the place on just about everything.
And his opponent in the governors race? Let’s see what Citizens United is really capable of, because Bob Beauprez (R) is about to get hundreds tens of millions of dollars from wealthy conservatives, and Bob is considered a real squish in a lot of right wing circles.
35 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:15:07pm |
This one is Cat II. pic.twitter.com/SlFyctHMkq— Gus (@Gus_802) June 30, 2014
36 | klys Jun 29, 2014 10:15:48pm |
re: #32 Gus
Hasn’t been cold for a while though. In any event. Here’s Cat. :D
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I will not post the picture I took of one of the kitties on Friday, where he was perched on the cat tower in such a way that ..well.. he looked a little round.
The cats may not have dignity standards, but I do.
At least tonight.
37 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 29, 2014 10:17:06pm |
re: #30 Kragar
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My God.
Editing because I am not sure I want to go that far with a judgement on the man, but the CS Lewis quote still fits him exactly:
Hence Theocracy is the worst of all governments. If we must have a tyrant a robber barron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point may be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely more because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations.
38 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:20:08pm |
re: #36 klys
I will not post the picture I took of one of the kitties on Friday, where he was perched on the cat tower in such a way that ..well.. he looked a little round.
The cats may not have dignity standards, but I do.
At least tonight.
The tuxedo cat is rather grumpy. Blondie is pretty friendly though. Not a lap cat. Doesn’t really meow very loudly. He basically squeaks.
39 | klys Jun 29, 2014 10:22:04pm |
re: #38 Gus
The tuxedo cat is rather grumpy. Blondie is pretty friendly though. Not a lap cat. Doesn’t really meow very loudly. He basically squeaks.
I don’t know how you could possibly get along with a grumpy cat.
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Someday, for shits and giggles, I will record the kittens when it is time for wet food.
Our black and white kitty sometimes leaks squeaks. They just escape involuntarily when he moves, I swear.
40 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 29, 2014 10:24:02pm |
I’m tired and off to bed. Good night, scaly friends.
43 | Targetpractice Jun 29, 2014 10:26:46pm |
re: #30 Kragar
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Translation: The Founders decided that the only people who should be allowed to vote were those who thought exactly like they did.
Rick doesn’t seem to understand that that’s not a democracy, it’s an oligarchy.
44 | Kragar Jun 29, 2014 10:28:27pm |
re: #43 Targetpractice
Translation: The Founders decided that the only people who should be allowed to vote were those who thought exactly like they did.
Rick doesn’t seem to understand that that’s not a democracy, it’s an oligarchy.
I think he understands that point pretty well, he’s just hoping most other people don’t.
46 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:30:19pm |
re: #42 klys
Well crap, the overlords have gotten to Gus now.
If I use the liter box I’ll make sure to “check in.” :D
48 | klys Jun 29, 2014 10:31:34pm |
re: #46 Gus
If I use the liter box I’ll make sure to “check in.” :D
One of our cats should be better classified as a chemical weapon.
That’s all I’ll say on that.
49 | FemNaziBitch Jun 29, 2014 10:31:37pm |
51 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:33:33pm |
re: #48 klys
One of our cats should be better classified as a chemical weapon.
That’s all I’ll say on that.
Oh yeah. We had those too. Would pee just about anywhere.
52 | klys Jun 29, 2014 10:34:58pm |
re: #51 Gus
Oh yeah. We had those too. Would pee just about anywhere.
I have resigned myself to the fact that the carpet in the living room is being torn up and replaced before we sell the house.
In the meantime he seems to have decided that by the garage door is better, which I won’t complain about too much since it is linoleum.
53 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 10:38:49pm |
re: #52 klys
I have resigned myself to the fact that the carpet in the living room is being torn up and replaced before we sell the house.
In the meantime he seems to have decided that by the garage door is better, which I won’t complain about too much since it is linoleum.
One used to hit the stove. Yes, the stove. We never got rid of him though. We were cat troopers. One day we discovered a bald spot on him. It was alopecia along with liver disease. He died soon after. Use to run like a madman in the back yard. Also dog friendly. Big black cat.
54 | petesh Jun 29, 2014 10:51:27pm |
re: #10 Charles Johnson
Hang in there. Remain calm. This too shall pass, and your witness will be worth any temporary aggravation. If certain people remain relatively well-known and affluent, they will probably affect ignorance of what you know they did. Dont let that faze you either. They dont make more friends as they do this shit, they make less. Hold fast and you will be fine.
55 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 29, 2014 11:10:50pm |
The life of a teacher in China:
I gave a final exam last Wednesday and got some interesting results. What would be your first idea looking at these distributions?
Class 1 - average 71%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxx
81-90 xxxxx
71-80 xxxxxxx
61-70 xxx
51-60 xxx
41-50 xxx
31-40 x
Class 2 - average 90%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
81-90 xxx
71-80
61-70 x
51-60 xxx
41-50
31-40
Note: Class 1 took the same exam as Class 2, two hours earlier.
56 | Lancelot Link Jun 29, 2014 11:13:18pm |
re: #33 Aunty Entity Dragon
The founder of Blackwater, Eric Prince, is the brother of Betsy DeVos, who is married to a VP of Amway. They are serious wingnut fanatics who use their considerable financial resources to get rid of public schools and set up wingnut charter schools that fleece tax payer dollars to provide fundamentalist Christian education. I did an extensive paper on her various astroturf “charities” a couple of years ago. Stuff like “All Children Matter” and “American Federation for Children” which don’t seem to have emloyees but still spend millions in union busting (and paying fines for breaking campign finance laws).
Great family.
The DeVos family also included 2 of the 3 biggest individual financial contributors to the Republican party. They also are behind the American Family Association. I consider them an even more pernicious influence on the US than Sheldon Adelson or the Koch brothers.
58 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:26:51pm |
United Airlines plane diverted to Wichita after emergency slide inflates in cabin in-flight http://t.co/buamxc0wMf pic.twitter.com/vQJXladFXe— CBS News (@CBSNews) June 30, 2014
Bad.
59 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:28:28pm |
One of my best wildlife encounters to date, this wild Otter came out the sea and literally stalked me , just magic. pic.twitter.com/eQIMRs5vy9— Neil McIntyre (@NeilMcIntyre3) May 16, 2014
60 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:28:48pm |
Bill Nye in his 9th grade science class. pic.twitter.com/CazBkJE5jS— Historical Pics (@HistoricalPics) June 28, 2014
61 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:29:01pm |
A Puffin amongst sea pink on Noss, Shetland. Lots of Puffin pics about at moment and why not , they are magic :-) pic.twitter.com/MIY3lfSaiw— Neil McIntyre (@NeilMcIntyre3) June 16, 2014
62 | klys Jun 29, 2014 11:29:12pm |
re: #55 wheat-dogghazi
The life of a teacher in China:
I gave a final exam last Wednesday and got some interesting results. What would be your first idea looking at these distributions?
Class 1 - average 71%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxx
81-90 xxxxx
71-80 xxxxxxx
61-70 xxx
51-60 xxx
41-50 xxx
31-40 xClass 2 - average 90%
Mark Frequency
91-100 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
81-90 xxx
71-80
61-70 x
51-60 xxx
41-50
31-40Note: Class 1 took the same exam as Class 2, two hours earlier.
Well. Umm.
It looks like 7 people in Class 2 weren’t hooked into the pipeline.
63 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:29:33pm |
Low even for you RT @CNN Do you think Jose should be deported? Answer with JOSESTAY or JOSEGO using #Documented pic.twitter.com/i2YiO82O5S— Danielle Lannister (@DCPlod) June 30, 2014
64 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:29:58pm |
I am very pro-Israel but also support a 1967 border settlement.— Gus (@Gus_802) June 30, 2014
65 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:31:31pm |
N. Korea-Japan deal may hurt efforts to end North's nuke program: FM http://t.co/YrTSXXwehF— Yonhap News Agency (@YonhapNews) June 30, 2014
66 | Gus Jun 29, 2014 11:37:00pm |
Airline loses famous customer after ill-judged tweet http://t.co/87AA9CW76r #babb pic.twitter.com/b4e8DJQC9L— Telegraph Football (@TeleFootball) June 30, 2014
Boop.
67 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 29, 2014 11:54:19pm |
re: #62 klys
Well. Umm.
It looks like 7 people in Class 2 weren’t hooked into the pipeline.
They had access, but they resisted the temptation. The students ‘fessed up to getting answers from someone in class 1. I tossed out the entire exam and used their marks from the midterm test to calculate their final exam grade. There is no cheating policy here, at least one that is enforced, so my only weapons are humiliation and the crappy grades they got on the midterm.
68 | Charles Johnson Jun 29, 2014 11:58:09pm |
Please note: if you’re contacted by ‘Gus_807’ or ‘ChenZhen,’ these psychos have been stalking me for years. 1/2— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 30, 2014
They’re from the website described in this post: Rodan Exposed: The Shocking Audio http://t.co/Mg7ExGlvJg …the source of the fake chart.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 30, 2014
And I can see from my mentions that the stalker ‘ChenZhen’ is trying to weasel his way into the discussion, as he always does.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 30, 2014
These nut cases have been doing this for years. If they contact you, please block and report.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 30, 2014
69 | klys Jun 30, 2014 12:09:10am |
re: #67 wheat-dogghazi
They had access, but they resisted the temptation. The students ‘fessed up to getting answers from someone in class 1. I tossed out the entire exam and used their marks from the midterm test to calculate their final exam grade. There is no cheating policy here, at least one that is enforced, so my only weapons are humiliation and the crappy grades they got on the midterm.
Heh, I confess I would have given the 7 (slightly) higher marks for honesty.
70 | Gus Jun 30, 2014 12:10:08am |
Five for Fighting - World: http://t.co/k9ucEFS0xk— Gus (@Gus_802) June 30, 2014
71 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 30, 2014 12:20:53am |
re: #69 klys
Heh, I confess I would have given the 7 (slightly) higher marks for honesty.
They all did better on the midterm than on the final, so they got rewarded anyway, but I had the same thought. My respect for them has gotten a boost, though.
What pisses me off is that the exam was not even that difficult. It was a listening test that was going to be averaged with their speaking test the week before. They all just wanted a high mark. Trouble is, they didn’t think ahead far enough and realize I would notice everyone had the same answers, practically word for word.
72 | klys Jun 30, 2014 12:24:00am |
re: #71 wheat-dogghazi
They all did better on the midterm than on the final, so they got rewarded anyway, but I had the same thought. My respect for them has gotten a boost, though.
What pisses me off is that the exam was not even that difficult. It was a listening test that was going to be averaged with their speaking test the week before. They all just wanted a high mark. Trouble is, they didn’t think ahead far enough and realize I would notice everyone had the same answers, practically word for word.
You mean you aren’t supposed to get deja vu?
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74 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 30, 2014 12:53:20am |
re: #72 klys
You mean you aren’t supposed to get deja vu?
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I’ve been teaching 30 years. The students are not getting any more clever about cheating. Cellphones, the Internet and cameras make the initial act of cheating very easy, of course. But the follow-through lacks any imagination or planning. They all put down the same answers (some missed a word or two) for all the questions, and did not stop to wonder if I would notice everyone getting in the 90’s.
I’ve taught writing courses here, too. Chinese undergraduates (and even some graduate students) have zero comprehension of plagiarism, what it is, how not to do it, and why it’s so bad. I made one guy redo his paper four times before he finally caught on to what i was trying to teach him.
75 | klys Jun 30, 2014 1:04:12am |
re: #74 wheat-dogghazi
I’ve been teaching 30 years. The students are not getting any more clever about cheating. Cellphones, the Internet and cameras make the initial act of cheating very easy, of course. But the follow-through lacks any imagination or planning. They all put down the same answers (some missed a word or two) for all the questions, and did not stop to wonder if I would notice everyone getting in the 90’s.
I’ve taught writing courses here, too. Chinese undergraduates (and even some graduate students) have zero comprehension of plagiarism, what it is, how not to do it, and why it’s so bad. I made one guy redo his paper four times before he finally caught on to what i was trying to teach him.
I worked at a chem tutorial center in undergrad.
Someone carved formulas for an organic exam into a pencil.
76 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 30, 2014 1:09:59am |
re: #75 klys
I worked at a chem tutorial center in undergrad.
Someone carved formulas for an organic exam into a pencil.
I had a physics prof in grad school whose policy was to provide the equations to everyone. He said working physicists don’t always carry the equations in their heads. That’s what books are for.
I never took Orgo, but I heard plenty of stories from chem and ChEng majors who did. Some of them ended up former chem/ChEng majors.
77 | klys Jun 30, 2014 1:13:24am |
re: #76 wheat-dogghazi
I had a physics prof in grad school whose policy was to provide the equations to everyone. He said working physicists don’t always carry the equations in their heads. That’s what books are for.
I never took Orgo, but I heard plenty of stories from chem and ChEng majors who did. Some of them ended up former chem/ChEng majors.
The thing is there’s so many you’re supposed to know that it’s stupid. You can’t fit them all on 20 pencils, let alone one.
Orgo was my least favorite chemistry class. Well, possibly also inorganic which was “orgo with one transition metal thrown in for good measure.”
78 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 30, 2014 1:43:29am |
re: #77 klys
I know just enough chem to teach very elementary stuff for high school. Wisely, no one ever required me to teach the subject full time.
79 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 30, 2014 3:59:41am |
I am now getting individual apologies from the students in that class. They all seem quite contrite.
80 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 4:07:20am |
Monday again…
My cat is sad because of Mondays. pic.twitter.com/z1VvkReinI
— WHY MY CAT IS SAD (@MYSADCAT) June 30, 2014
81 | Flounder Jun 30, 2014 4:13:09am |
Apparently, dog piles can kill during a church service.
State Police said Jason M. Berg, 44, of Indian Lake entered St. Mary’s Church on state Route 28N around 4:43 p.m. and started shouting obscenities and throwing objects at parishioners. Two people in the crowd were injured by the objects and had to be treated at Glens Falls Hospital.
As Berg allegedly started advancing toward the church’s priest, several parishioners restrained him. As Berg violently resisted, he became unresponsive and an ambulance was called. State Police and Hamilton County Sheriff’s deputies also responded.
Police said Berg was armed with a loaded .45 caliber pistol, spare magazine and a pocket knife.
82 | Romantic Heretic Jun 30, 2014 4:22:37am |
re: #17 Testy Toad T
If we had the Bush-memo photoshoppers active against the far-left/right these days, we could probably convince them that toads are a Secret Master Race from the Moon, or something.
Pathetically lazy people, both in real-world effort and intellectual curiosity. It’s so sad. They’re not stupid, per se. They could contribute so much more, most of them.
I keep trying to repeat a line from Starship Troopers to make myself feel better about these people: “They aren’t stupid, just ignorant and prejudiced by their environment.”
It never seems to work though.
83 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 4:26:52am |
Members of the Matchworkers Union who went on strike for better pay and conditions in 1888. pic.twitter.com/M43FsSRrQz
— Feminist Pics (@FeministPics) June 30, 2014
84 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 4:30:15am |
re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth
Match girls’ strike 125 years on: How Bryant & May workers changed the world
Back in 1888, merciless bosses ruled the Bryant & May factory with a rod of iron - sick women were chucked away like spent matches.
White sulphur in the manufacture of the burning tips poisoned the workers, their hair falling out and a terrible condition known as “phossy jaw” horribly disfiguring faces.
Pay as low as four shillings - 20p - for a week of 12-hour days was worth the equivalent of just £17.40 in today’s buying power.
Draconian fines were imposed too if a worker turned up late or even dropped matches.
Prominent social reformer Annie Besant detailed the awful conditions in The Link, a campaigning Left-wing newspaper.
She savaged the owners including Theodore Bryant, a prominent Liberal who had the gall to dock a shilling from wage packets to erect a statue near the factory to his hero William Gladstone.
“Such is a bald account of one form of white slavery as it exists in London,” fumed Besant.
“With chattel slaves Mr Bryant couldn’t have made his huge fortune, for he could not have fed, clothed, and housed them for four shillings a week each, and they would have had a definite money value which would have served as a protection.
“But who cares for the fate of these white wage slaves?
“Born in slums, driven to work as children, undersized because underfed, oppressed because helpless, flung aside as soon as worked out.
“Who cares if they die, provided only that the Bryant & May shareholders get their 23 per cent?”
HURR HURR YOONYUN THUGZ!!!!!! BRYANT & MAY WERE GOOD JRRB CREEYATERZ!!!!!!
85 | Romantic Heretic Jun 30, 2014 4:36:16am |
re: #84 Pie-onist Overlord
Well, since I’m certain the Supreme Court is going to give unions a kick in the nuts today, it looks like we’re going to have to start all over again.
86 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 4:36:37am |
Has Think Progress made any comment on their graphic being used to defame Charles?
87 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 4:38:26am |
Big day at SCOTUS. Line wrapped around the block. Looking forward to reporting from @SCOTUSblog pic.twitter.com/X5ORLojObj
— George (@AndWeAreWalking) June 30, 2014
88 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 4:46:01am |
My boss was here all night trying to restore the servers after a controlled power outage yesterday.
Everything seems to be back up and running, but there are parts missing from the spare servers on my desk.
My boss just went home for the day.
SO GLAD I don’t do production support any more.
89 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 4:50:07am |
That’s only because McDaniel got a grade of ZZZ-
About all the hoopla about the black turnout for Cochran: the NAACP gave Cochran a grade of “F.” http://t.co/Z4sukCFKO8— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) June 30, 2014
90 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 4:50:19am |
Charles, I’m sorry people are playing so fast, loose, and dishonestly with your reputation. But they’re also doing the same with their own, although with a different motive.
This post is why the internet is becoming more and more of a cesspool. Stuff gets out so fast and it takes up so much time trying to rebut lies, accusations and innuendo. It’s one thing I noticed when I first started on the internet in 2004 in a chat room that was full of relatively decent folks and changed over the time I was there. Then I discovered blogs, most of which were pretty straight-forward, but found those which also dealt in hyperbole and were less than honest in their analysis.
We’ve always had the “yellow” press, but what color do you call this kind of shit? Brown? It’s what happens when the real ethics of good journalism are thrown to the wind and someone’s personal notion on “new journalism” takes hold. Whenever I see that term, “new journalism”, I become very wary. However you see “democracy”, it’s not making shit up as you go along, which many of these types tend to do, because you’re working from a foundation someone before you worked on. It’s how the human race progresses—we don’t build on fantasies made up out of thin air.
We know who the #1 proponents of “new journalism” are, also. All you have to do these days to be a journalist is to proclaim yourself one, it seems. You write and want to call yourself a writer? Fine by me, but don’t categorize yourself as something you aren’t. If you write a blog and you have no training or experience in real journalism, why make up stuff about yourself just by calling yourself one? Writers also engage in fiction and these days, too many stray so far from the truth it’s bound to wind up in that category. You don’t even have to abide by the ethics of journalism or any other of its standards.
Just becoming a “journalist” by saying you’re one is like saying all you have to do to become a doctor, or a lawyer, or any other profession, is to proclaim yourself one.
Not from where I sit. Ever.
91 | Dr Lizardo Jun 30, 2014 4:54:20am |
re: #90 Justanotherhuman
Just becoming a “journalist” by saying you’re one is like saying all you have to do to become a doctor, or a lawyer, or any other profession, is to proclaim yourself one.
I proclaim myself Most Exalted Grand Poobah, First Lord of the Treasury, Lord Chief Justice, Commander-in-Chief, Lord High Admiral, Archbishop of Titipu, and Lord High Everything Else!!
It’s easy!
*headdesk*
92 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 4:55:41am |
Abby Martin of @RT_com is not only a 9/11 truther, she's an ancient Egypt truther as well. https://t.co/4DtBZSW1Tr— Adam Holland (@ad_holland) June 30, 2014
93 | Dr Lizardo Jun 30, 2014 5:00:25am |
re: #92 Pie-onist Overlord
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Graham Hancock?! Hoo boy, that’s some wacked-out stuff right there. That’s moving into outright lunacy territory. I’d bet she’s a David Icke fan, too.
94 | Timothy Watson Jun 30, 2014 5:00:51am |
re: #30 Kragar
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Today a man owns a jackass worth fifty dollars and he is entitled to vote; but before the next election the jackass dies. The man in the mean time has become more experienced, his knowledge of the principles of government, and his acquaintance with mankind, are more extensive, and he is therefore better qualified to make a proper selection of rulers—But the jackass is dead and the man cannot vote. Now gentlemen, pray inform me, in whom is the right of suffrage? In the man or in the jackass?
—Benjamin Franklin
95 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 5:04:51am |
re: #93 Dr Lizardo
Graham Hancock?! Hoo boy, that’s some wacked-out stuff right there. That’s moving into outright lunacy territory. I’d bet she’s a David Icke fan, too.
Yes she is. Just do a Google search. I’m not linking any of that shit here.
96 | Jayleia Jun 30, 2014 5:07:51am |
(page removed since it deals with another user)
I hate to bring this up, because usually I love Gus and especially his ‘shops…but I have to point this one out, especially since it can directly affect me and my friends. This is not to accuse Gus of being one of these people, only to point out a potential problem to any unsuspecting websurfers.
Over in a comment Gus linked to a site called nametheproblem.
It would be unwise to consider that source remotely reliable.
Nametheproblem has its own problems
The nametheproblem site is especially vile since it specifically cites people whose sole noticeable “crime” against women (in the mind of Cathy Brennan) is to believe that transgender people deserve the same rights as cisgendered people…and then mixes their profiles in with men who murder and rape women and children.
A quick guide for in the wilds, whenever you see THIS line, or a variation: knowing that penis is male. , you are probably dealing with a particularly insidious type of moonbat called a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist, or TERF for Twitter.
97 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 5:13:19am |
FYI to Ted Cruz: “Religious Liberty” does not include control over another person’s “religious liberty.” That would mean the other person has no “religious liberty.”
RT if you stand with @HobbyLobbyStore & for religious liberty too! #SCOTUS pic.twitter.com/tiUgGKYOU9— Senator Ted Cruz (@SenTedCruz) June 30, 2014
99 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 5:31:12am |
So, is today the day we learn if women are full citizens under the law?
100 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 5:31:38am |
101 | Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light) Jun 30, 2014 5:32:39am |
re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord
FYI to Ted Cruz: “Religious Liberty” does not include control over another person’s “religious liberty.” That would mean the other person has no “religious liberty.”
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People still buy the myth that the Pilgrims came here to seek “religiuos freedom” - as in the ability to impose their religious beliefs on others by law - something that Europe was not about to put up with back then.
102 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 5:33:05am |
Temperature down, humidity up and it’s already raining in my part of the world.
Allergies as usual, suck.
Station: Chicago Area (Melrose Park), IL
Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Station Head(s): Joseph G. Leija, MD FAAAAI
Date of Pollen and Mold Count: 06/30/2014*********************************
Pollen & Mold Summary
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Trees: Low Concentration
Weeds: Low Concentration
Grass: Low Concentration
Mold: High Concentration
you?
103 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 5:34:11am |
Yeah pulling a gun on your employer is a sure way to get them to guarantee equal pay or include birth control in your benefits package.
No angry manginas need to speak on my behalf, thank you. #tcot #2A #NRA #gunsense #realwomen need no whistle. pic.twitter.com/WVj2B1TtJA— Far Right of Left (@FarRightofLeft_) June 30, 2014
104 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 5:34:35am |
ISIS declared calipahte?
What exactly does that mean?
Is that like Cesar declaring a Republic?
105 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 5:34:35am |
re: #99 FemNaziBitch
So, is today the day we learn if women are full citizens under the law?
SCOTUS is scheduled to issue orders at 9:30 am (ET), followed by opinions at 10 am
106 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 5:35:16am |
re: #96 Jayleia
(page removed since it deals with another user)
I hate to bring this up, because usually I love Gus and especially his ‘shops…but I have to point this one out, especially since it can directly affect me and my friends. This is not to accuse Gus of being one of these people, only to point out a potential problem to any unsuspecting websurfers.
Over in a comment Gus linked to a site called nametheproblem.
It would be unwise to consider that source remotely reliable.
Nametheproblem has its own problemsThe nametheproblem site is especially vile since it specifically cites people whose sole noticeable “crime” against women (in the mind of Cathy Brennan) is to believe that transgender people deserve the same rights as cisgendered people…and then mixes their profiles in with men who murder and rape women and children.
A quick guide for in the wilds, whenever you see THIS line, or a variation: knowing that penis is male. , you are probably dealing with a particularly insidious type of moonbat called a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist, or TERF for Twitter.
That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.
I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.
As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.
107 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 5:36:29am |
FOR THE RECORD—I believe that all humans can be feminists.
108 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 5:37:26am |
109 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 5:43:19am |
I predict SCOTUS is going to find some way to leave it up to the States.
110 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 5:50:04am |
Can’t wait to see Scalia justify Hobby Lobby making medical decisions for employees based on slave owners having that right over employees.— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) June 30, 2014
111 | lawhawk Jun 30, 2014 5:51:27am |
re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord
@SenTedCruz @HobbyLobbyStore by trampling on religious freedoms of employees? HL execs are theocrats imposing their views on workers— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 30, 2014
112 | lawhawk Jun 30, 2014 5:55:20am |
re: #110 Pie-onist Overlord
Press corps going to go bananas when Scalia brings out #hobbylobby decision on stone tablets.— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahNRO) June 30, 2014
Which would actually prove that Scalia doesn’t have any interest in originalist or strict constructionist views on the Constitution and the First Amendment. It would show that he puts certain religions above all others.
Even though I’m hoping that the Court rules against HL, I’ve got a feeling that Roberts is going to invent a new reason to leave this up to the states - that each state will be able to decide its own regulations as it sees fit. And that would once again leave women and minorities in the South (the area where the ACA would have the biggest improvement on access to health insurance since the South has the highest uninsured rates and worst health care among regions in the nation) at a disadvantage since the GOP has sought to hamstring all efforts to improve health insurance where they control.
113 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 5:58:40am |
re: #108 FemNaziBitch
FTFMe
They do have to give up their positions of male privilege, though. Along with any gain acquired from a relationship with it. And once you have male privilege, the person generally thinks they’re entitled to it for life.
114 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 5:58:42am |
POLL: Most Americans want Hobby Lobby to lose its Supreme Court case http://t.co/HhkaLKAY6m pic.twitter.com/mNMvwoI2II
— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) June 30, 2014
115 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 5:59:54am |
That ISN’T good enough, Hobby Lobby should have NO SAY in employees private healthcare decisions, any more that they can dictate to employees how they spend their paycheck.
#HobbyLobby told employees they're ok w/16 of the 20 forms of birth control in #Obamacare For extremists that's not good enuff #tcot .@seiu— chris fields (@ChrisFieldsMN) June 30, 2014
116 | Timothy Watson Jun 30, 2014 6:00:06am |
re: #112 lawhawk
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Which would actually prove that Scalia doesn’t have any interest in originalist or strict constructionist views on the Constitution and the First Amendment. It would show that he puts certain religions above all others.
Even though I’m hoping that the Court rules against HL, I’ve got a feeling that Roberts is going to invent a new reason to leave this up to the states - that each state will be able to decide its own regulations as it sees fit. And that would once again leave women and minorities in the South (the area where the ACA would have the biggest improvement on access to health insurance since the South has the highest uninsured rates and worst health care among regions in the nation) at a disadvantage since the GOP has sought to hamstring all efforts to improve health insurance where they control.
Anyone remember when conservatives attacked Pelosi for years for stating the following:
“So this is almost as if God has spoken. It’s an elementary discussion now. They have made the decision.”
But now, Scalia’s opinions are like stone tablets?
By the way, does Jonah remember what happened to the stone tablets?
117 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:00:20am |
Guess I picked the right week to leave NOLA.
I will say, Law Enforcement did have a strong presence in the Quarter when I was there.
118 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 6:01:07am |
True but NOT in the way you think, Todd.
The fate of religious liberty hangs in the balance. #SCOTUS— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) June 30, 2014
119 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:02:34am |
re: #112 lawhawk
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Which would actually prove that Scalia doesn’t have any interest in originalist or strict constructionist views on the Constitution and the First Amendment. It would show that he puts certain religions above all others.
Even though I’m hoping that the Court rules against HL, I’ve got a feeling that Roberts is going to invent a new reason to leave this up to the states - that each state will be able to decide its own regulations as it sees fit. And that would once again leave women and minorities in the South (the area where the ACA would have the biggest improvement on access to health insurance since the South has the highest uninsured rates and worst health care among regions in the nation) at a disadvantage since the GOP has sought to hamstring all efforts to improve health insurance where they control.
Yup, SCOTUS has always been wussies in regards to women’s rights.
120 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 6:05:14am |
Fox News decides there’s a ‘feminist war’ on men’s rights after protest in Detroit http://t.co/WsoMAbm0Tw— The Raw Story (@RawStory) June 30, 2014
121 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:05:31am |
Personally, I don’t think a person should be sick to the pit of their stomach with anxiety over a SCOTUS decision, but I am.
122 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 6:05:41am |
Welcome to the Buffer Zone: Demonstrators at #SCOTUS await #HobbyLobby opinion pic.twitter.com/r2ELy738Gb
— Jess Bravin (@JessBravin) June 30, 2014
123 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 6:06:44am |
Boss, since you can decide which birth control God wants me to have, can you take a look at this mole?— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) June 30, 2014
125 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 6:08:18am |
why Hobby Lobby wrong about contraception coverage&abortion: http://t.co/q9xF6hAN1D pic.twitter.com/g0xzGbVWto”” exactly
— Larry (@crazylary51) June 26, 2014
126 | Timothy Watson Jun 30, 2014 6:08:40am |
re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth
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Someone with more guts than me should hold a civil disobedience protest on the steps of the building, get arrested, and sue the everloving **** out of the SCOTUS.
127 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 6:10:04am |
SCOTUSblog live blog for today’s opinons is up now.
live.scotusblog.com
128 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:10:33am |
re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth
SCOTUSblog live blog for today’s opinons is up now.
live.scotusblog.com
You are so awesome!
129 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:11:14am |
re: #113 Justanotherhuman
They do have to give up their positions of male privilege, though. Along with any gain acquired from a relationship with it. And once you have male privilege, the person generally thinks they’re entitled to it for life.
Who raises these boys that become men?
130 | Rightwingconspirator Jun 30, 2014 6:14:38am |
30 Years ago today-
Purple rain came out.
Gold was about $370, there was no internet, cell phones were bricks and…
Dragon_Lady and I got married. Best thing that ever happened to me.
131 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 6:14:41am |
Lack of perspective, they haz it:
Anti-LGBT twins compare reality TV show cancellation to martyrdom, D-Day, ‘Braveheart ’ http://t.co/GQQo2jAik0— Eric W. Dolan (@EWDolan) June 30, 2014
132 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:17:04am |
re: #131 Lidane
Lack of perspective, they haz it:
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because having a TV reality show is everyone’s inalienable right.
:0
133 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:17:29am |
re: #129 FemNaziBitch
Who raises these boys that become men?
Society raises us, whether we think it’s our parents or not. While we may be under the most influence from our parents, it’s not the only one, and for many kids, not the primary influence, esp as they get older.
134 | Dr Lizardo Jun 30, 2014 6:17:36am |
re: #95 Pie-onist Overlord
Yes she is. Just do a Google search. I’m not linking any of that shit here.
LOLOL
David Icke of reptoids from Draco fame.
*smh*
That’s some weapons-grade batshittery right there. If Icke were satirizing conspiracy theorists, I could see it - he’d be having a laugh at their expense. But I think he’s pretty serious - and that’s crazy with a capital “C”.
135 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 6:17:40am |
FORGET ALL ABOUT YOUR STUPID HOBBY LOBBY!!!! THIS IS TEH REALS HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS!!!! THIS & NOTHING ELSE!!!!
US tech companies losing customers, profits as people globally (rationally) fear US companies collaborate with NSA http://t.co/AlOPq8BWEs— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) June 30, 2014
137 | Charles Johnson Jun 30, 2014 6:21:11am |
WTF!
@dolphincatcher @Gus_802 @Green_Footballs too bad enough reasonable ppl haven't caught on & called him out— Legalize Lez (@LegalizeLez) June 30, 2014
138 | Dr Lizardo Jun 30, 2014 6:21:13am |
re: #131 Lidane
Lack of perspective, they haz it:
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LOLOLOL
First of all, the movie “Braveheart” is some first-rate historically inaccurate bullshit, though granted, it’s entertaining. It’s loosely inspired by the life of William Wallace. So loosely inspired it should be called “A Movie About Some Scottish Guy Who Looks Like Mel Gibson And Acts All Badass And Shit”.
As to D-Day…..oh hell no. Not getting a TV deal is not the same as plunging headlong into withering heavy automatic weapons and artillery fire. Not even close.
139 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 6:23:54am |
“Dim Jim” retweeted this Derp:
DON’T WANT BOSSES HANDOUTS!!!!
So you don’t want a paycheck?
We stand for the conscience rights of women. #prolife #prolifegen #womenincontrol #scotus pic.twitter.com/BlMMlL7t7w— Students for Life (@Students4LifeHQ) June 30, 2014
140 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 6:24:50am |
Pretending that birth control causes abortions is how conservatives plan to ban them & other things that prevent pregnancy like menstruation— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) June 30, 2014
141 | Decatur Deb Jun 30, 2014 6:24:51am |
re: #115 Pie-onist Overlord
That ISN’T good enough, Hobby Lobby should have NO SAY in employees private healthcare decisions, any more that they can dictate to employees how they spend their paycheck.
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Employers should have nothing to do with their employees’ health care. Single payer.
142 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:24:54am |
Hobby Lobby CEO David Green has become a religious conservative hero for fighting the Obamacare contraceptive mandate. His lawyers have argued that some of the contraception methods required to be covered are abortifacients, meaning they effectively cause abortions, which violates his religion. The Supreme Court is currently deliberating on his case.
But funny thing— it turns out that the very same contraceptive methods he doesn’t want to cover are made by companies his 401K is invested in:
143 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:25:00am |
re: #139 Pie-onist Overlord
“Dim Jim” retweeted this Derp:
DON’T WANT BOSSES HANDOUTS!!!!
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Guys there to make sure the women do it “right”.
144 | Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP Jun 30, 2014 6:25:41am |
re: #106 Justanotherhuman
That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.
I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.
As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.
I have to completely disagree with you. Gender identity disorder is a real thing and people are born in the wrong bodies. It doesn’t affect me as a woman in any way. I’m all for transgender rights.
145 | KerFuFFler Jun 30, 2014 6:25:41am |
re: #74 wheat-dogghazi
I’ve taught writing courses here, too. Chinese undergraduates (and even some graduate students) have zero comprehension of plagiarism, what it is, how not to do it, and why it’s so bad. I made one guy redo his paper four times before he finally caught on to what i was trying to teach him.
My husband has had similar problems with his students from China. He emphasizes at the outset of the course that plagiarism is forbidden and will be caught. But each term some students plagiarize and it is almost always Chinese students. The things is, they are bright hard-working students——-they just have never been taught that plagiarism is a problem before.
146 | GunstarGreen Jun 30, 2014 6:26:39am |
re: #108 FemNaziBitch
While I believe that equality of all humans is the desirable end-goal, in order for “all humans should be feminists” to be viable, Feminism must first sort out the problems it has with a very vocal chunk of its community (however small it may be in actual terms; I’m not qualified to speculate on its size) using “male” as a pseudo-derogatory.
147 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:26:49am |
re: #140 Lidane
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What the MRA’s don’t seen to realize that men benefit a great deal from birth control as well.
Controling population is the way Powerful men control less Powerful men thru their women. How to make a slave —make a man have to work so hard to provide for his children that he doesn’t have time to think, read or research and will vote any you tell him.
148 | lawhawk Jun 30, 2014 6:27:05am |
re: #135 Pie-onist Overlord
The biggest violations of privacy rights come from the likes of Facebook and Google, which data mine every last bit of information you provide. Much of that data includes that which is passed on to third party groups but the big players are trying to squeeze out the smaller players to prevent competition. That has nothing to do with the NSA or privacy rights.
This is yet another in a long lines of Non sequiturs and purposefully misleading statements by Greenwald.
149 | nsmith25 Jun 30, 2014 6:27:57am |
What a day to get back to the realm of Lizzards. Been on a family vacation at a beach house with poor internet. For the next hour, I’ll be here and at TweetDeck hopefully not going crazy on the Hobby Lobby decision
150 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:29:41am |
re: #144 Sionainn
I have to completely disagree with you. Gender identity disorder is a real thing and people are born in the wrong bodies. It doesn’t affect me as a woman in any way. I’m all for transgender rights.
Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.
That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.
151 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:32:06am |
re: #150 Justanotherhuman
Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.
That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.
Actually, it doesn’t.
All fetuses are female until a “critical period” in which testosterone (IIRC) reaches the the part of the brain that then decides to make the fetus male. At that time the gonads drop and the sex organs change to male.
For me, it’s rather easy to see how this could get majory fubar’d in a percentage of fetuses.
152 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 30, 2014 6:32:20am |
re: #150 Justanotherhuman
Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.
That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.
Transgenderism is strongly established in science.
First of all, there’s no ‘right’ body, except as established by how the person feels. The simple scientific truth is that people with transgender body dysphoria—people who feel that they’re in the ‘wrong’ body—feel better after they’ve transitioned gender.
That’s the whole story right there. It doesn’t matter what causes this—there’s probably a lot of different causes. What matters is the result: transgender people really are happier being their ‘chosen’ gender.
Why is there any sort of problem with this?
153 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:34:19am |
They have denied the two cases from CA regarding a state law that prohibits conversion therapy for minors who are gay. This is a ban that applies only to those under 18.
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154 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:35:21am |
re: #151 FemNaziBitch
Actually, it doesn’t.
All fetuses are female until a “critical period” in which testosterone (IIRC) reaches the the part of the brain that then decides to make the fetus male. At that time the gonads drop and the sex organs change to male.
For me, it’s rather easy to see how this could get majory fubar’d in a percentage of fetuses.
Then why call what you said “science”?
155 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:35:56am |
The testes begin as an immigration of primordial germ cells into testicular cords along the gonadal ridge in the abdomen of the early embryo. The interaction of several male genes organizes this developing gonad into a testis rather than an ovary by the second month of gestation. During the 3rd to 5th months, the cells in the testes differentiate into testosterone-producing Leydig cells, and anti-Müllerian hormone-producing Sertoli cells. The germ cells in this environment become fetal spermatogonia. Male external genitalia develop during the 3rd and 4th months of gestation and the fetus continues to grow, develop, and differentiate.
156 | FemNaziBitch Jun 30, 2014 6:36:27am |
157 | Charles Johnson Jun 30, 2014 6:37:05am |
Is the Supreme Court really going to endorse the religious right’s cynical, perverse inversion of “religious freedom?”— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) June 30, 2014
158 | Bulworth Jun 30, 2014 6:37:14am |
Looks like I might have to purge my Facebook again. Too much derp.
159 | darthstar Jun 30, 2014 6:37:23am |
160 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:37:33am |
re: #156 FemNaziBitch
WHAT?
Biology is science —no?
Biology is science—“feelings” aren’t.
I can feel “entitled”—doesn’t mean I am.
162 | Bulworth Jun 30, 2014 6:38:00am |
The resentment against the poors is just not understandable.
163 | AntonSirius Jun 30, 2014 6:38:37am |
re: #97 Pie-onist Overlord
FYI to Ted Cruz: “Religious Liberty” does not include control over another person’s “religious liberty.” That would mean the other person has no “religious liberty.”
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164 | Bulworth Jun 30, 2014 6:40:32am |
re:
#151
All fetuses are female until a “critical period” in which testosterone (IIRC) reaches the the part of the brain that then decides to make the fetus male. At that time the gonads drop and the sex organs change to male.
Unpossible!!!11
Each precious sperm cell thing includes a whole person, male or female!!!111 Bible says so!!1
165 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:40:39am |
So, who wrote the opinion for Hobby Lobby, then? Any speculation? Scalia?
Is there any principle or rule which governs which of the two final cases are announced first?
by Eddie 9:38 AM
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Ah, a common question. The Justices announce their decisions in order of reverse seniority, so the first decision will come from the more junior of the two authors this morning. (Assuming we get two opinions of course, which is what we expect but is certainly not guaranteed.)
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166 | lawhawk Jun 30, 2014 6:41:33am |
The court has denied two cases from CA regarding a state law that prohibits conversion therapy for minors who are gay. These relate to a ban that applies only to those under 18.
So there’s that.
167 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:43:44am |
The Court also denied three cases involving California’s low carbon fuels standards regulations. It was an effort to restrict California’s efforts to regulate greenhouse gases emitted from motor fuel.
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168 | AntonSirius Jun 30, 2014 6:44:08am |
re: #106 Justanotherhuman
I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.
I guess you don’t see the contradiction in “the transgendered shouldn’t count as women” and “women are too diverse to categorize!”
Also, this ‘logic’ is basically the same as the argument used to defend “traditional marriage” against same-sex marriage.
169 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 6:44:40am |
in court news elsewhere:
NOW: Judge rules against #GeorgeZimmerman in defamation lawsuit NBC Universal over 911 calls http://t.co/UmOmCFvh69 pic.twitter.com/h2oZe0zoMB
— WKMG Local 6 News (@clickorlando) June 30, 2014
170 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:46:01am |
re: #168 AntonSirius
I guess you don’t see the contradiction in “the transgendered shouldn’t count as women” and “women are too diverse to categorize!”
Also, this ‘logic’ is basically the same as the argument used to defend “traditional marriage” against same-sex marriage.
Absolutely not even close.
171 | Alyosha Jun 30, 2014 6:47:17am |
I am constantly tempted to join the Twitter Wars but refrain because there are so many arguments supporting the view that there is very little free exchange of reasoned argument that measurably changes opinions.
But I have not heard one argument that makes it clear that reasoned people ought to cede the Twittersphere to the bugfucknuts.
I hope my moral support suffices.
172 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 6:48:07am |
The protests over at SCOTUS have brought out the cosplay:
This guy, dressed as a Bible, is wearing no pants pic.twitter.com/eDLlIfSMXh— BuzzFeed Benny (@bennyjohnson) June 30, 2014
173 | wheat-dogghazi Jun 30, 2014 6:49:22am |
For some reason, the New Comment, Reply and Quote buttons are not working for me. I was trying to reply to KerFuFFler’s 145. So all the linkage is manually done here.
My husband has had similar problems with his students from China. He emphasizes at the outset of the course that plagiarism is forbidden and will be caught. But each term some students plagiarize and it is almost always Chinese students. The things is, they are bright hard-working students——-they just have never been taught that plagiarism is a problem before.
There’s two reasons for this situation. One is cultural, and the other pedagogical.
Chinese culture prizes familiarity with the classics and with famous writers. Students get a lot of this reading all through their schooling. To quote a classic work or author verbatim is considered acceptable, because the writer assumes the reader is also familiar with the source material. No citation is expected. Unfortunately, this contradicts the Western custom of citing everything, even classical works.
Students, meanwhile, get virtually no instruction on writing college-ready essays or term papers (especially in English) through their middle school years. In college, our students get a very cursory introduction to academic writing before they are expected to churn out 8,000-word English graduation theses. When I taught them writing, I tried — in one term — to compress what some Americans learn from 7th grade on. Their Chinese teachers, leading the same course, made no such effort, as far as I can tell.
174 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 30, 2014 6:50:27am |
re: #160 Justanotherhuman
Biology is science—“feelings” aren’t.
I can feel “entitled”—doesn’t mean I am.
But how do you argue against the fact that transgendered people, scientifically measured, feel better after gender reassignment surgery?
This is kind of like gayness: It really doesn’t matter if someone is ‘born’ gay or if environmental factors play a role. What does it matter, if the end result is living their life that way makes them happy?
176 | Charles Johnson Jun 30, 2014 6:52:48am |
@Green_Footballs aalready addressed, Breivik boy https://t.co/IdsM8bONrd— Daniel (@dan_verg_) June 30, 2014
177 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:52:53am |
re: #174 Fairly Sure I’m Still Obdicut
But how do you argue against the fact that transgendered people, scientifically measured, feel better after gender reassignment surgery?
This is kind of like gayness: It really doesn’t matter if someone is ‘born’ gay or if environmental factors play a role. What does it matter, if the end result is living their life that way makes them happy?
Scientifically measured? Do you have a link?
178 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 30, 2014 6:53:09am |
re: #106 Justanotherhuman
That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.
I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way.
As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.
Um…I happen to be a transgendered woman. You would do better to actually talk to one of us before making a blanket statement about our perspective on gender.
179 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 6:56:32am |
The five-minute-to-sitting buzzer has been sounded.
by lylden 9:55 AM
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180 | AntonSirius Jun 30, 2014 6:56:33am |
re: #170 Justanotherhuman
Absolutely not even close.
Then explain why considering the transgendered as women impacts your rights in any way.
181 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 6:57:00am |
Why is it ok for private companies to tell people what healthcare they can have but not the government? Neither should be doing that.— Anti-Patriarchy (@DCPlod) June 30, 2014
182 | Alyosha Jun 30, 2014 6:57:16am |
re: #176 Charles Johnson
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To the Greenbots there is no such thing as context or truth. That attention-whore shits out a smear and those nutters treat it like its a Papal Bull.
In the meme-world it’s like watching a kind of malignant immune response. It’d be far more interesting if it weren’t so disgusting.
184 | lawhawk Jun 30, 2014 6:59:03am |
3 boxes of opinions (for what I think should be two cases), which means that someone ended up writing one heck of a dissent (and I’m betting that’ll be Scalia).
185 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 7:00:16am |
re: #184 lawhawk
3 boxes of opinions (for what I think should be two cases), which means that someone ended up writing one heck of a dissent (and I’m betting that’ll be Scalia).
Oh wow. This should be interesting.
186 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 7:00:35am |
LOLWUT
If #HobbyLobby was owned by Muslims, their religious freedom would not have been infringed upon. #justsaying #IStandWithHobbyLobby #tcot— Bryan R.. (@youthpastorbry) June 30, 2014
187 | AntonSirius Jun 30, 2014 7:01:28am |
re: #184 lawhawk
3 boxes of opinions (for what I think should be two cases), which means that someone ended up writing one heck of a dissent (and I’m
bettingpraying that’ll be Scalia).
Fixed that for me. I don’t have enough confidence in SCOTUS to lay that kind of action.
188 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 30, 2014 7:01:29am |
re: #170 Justanotherhuman
Absolutely not even close.
Really? How so? Again, I’m asking as one of those trans women who you don’t think count as a real woman.
191 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 30, 2014 7:03:16am |
192 | Charles Johnson Jun 30, 2014 7:03:27am |
@trog69 I apologize to the families of Breivik's 77 victims that hateful U.S. bigots like @Green_Footballs so contributed to their deaths.— Daniel (@dan_verg_) June 30, 2014
193 | Pie-onist Overlord Jun 30, 2014 7:03:38am |
Both decisions from Alito? That doesn't sound good.— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) June 30, 2014
Shit, Alito. I didn't see “ban contraception outright” in the list of possible outcomes.— Amanda Marcotte (@AmandaMarcotte) June 30, 2014
194 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 7:03:42am |
Breaking: SCOTUS limits power to compel contributions to public employee unions but does not forbid it
— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) June 30, 2014
195 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 30, 2014 7:04:23am |
Employee unions cannot require dues, but not gutted.
196 | Backwoods_Sleuth Jun 30, 2014 7:04:51am |
The vote is 5-4.
by Amy Howe 10:04 AM
This case does not involve full-fledged public employees, the Court notes.
by Amy Howe 10:03 AM
The Court does not overrule Abood. That opinion has questionable foundations, so we reverse to extend Abood to the situation here.
by Amy Howe 10:03 AM
This is a substantial obstacle to expanding public employee unions, but it does not gut them.
by tgoldstein 10:03 AM
In Harris, the Court refuses to extend Abood. These employees can’t be required to contribute to unions.
by tgoldstein 10:02 AM
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197 | lawhawk Jun 30, 2014 7:04:51am |
Employees can’t be required to contribute to unions; Court refuses to extend Abood. It makes it tougher to expand public employee unions.
Once again, this Court rules against worker rights in a substantive fashion, which bodes poorly for the Hobby Lobby case IMO.
198 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 7:04:59am |
re: #180 AntonSirius
Then explain why considering the transgendered as women impacts your rights in any way.
Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?
A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.
199 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 7:05:26am |
Oh great. Scalia's underdeveloped cojoined twin has both of today's SCOTUS opinions. Not a good sign.— Ian Actual (@iboudreau) June 30, 2014
200 | Jayleia Jun 30, 2014 7:05:56am |
re: #106 Justanotherhuman
That Wiki link is some really weird stuff. Notice how it comes from an entirely male POV and immediately, in the first sentence, attacks “radical feminism”. I suppose I’m a TERF, however they want to hate me, even though no, I’m not homophobic and don’t care how people express themselves sexually within the bounds of consent. No amount of imagining, if you were born with intact male sex organs, will make you anything else even if you can change how you look, even if you resort to radical surgery and hormones for the rest of your life.
I wouldn’t classify you as such. But its not just sexuality, they object to identifying as such. They object to having a job, and ID card with your identity on it, to receiving medical care that is the only reliable treatment for your condition.
I don’t say this out of hate, I say it because women have far too little for ourselves than to have men intrude upon us, upon our very gender, even going so far as to glamorize what they’re doing in a paean to how they think women should look—lots of cosmetics, fancy clothes, etc which are not what makes a female a woman. We women are far too diverse to categorize our own selves that way
Yes, transgender people glamorize it so much, that they’re more likely to be suicidal, unemployed or employed as sex workers (because jrrbs don’t hire THOSE kind of people), and sexually assaulted and murdered than almost other category of people.
No really, that’s just in KT realms of wrong, transgender is not glamorous (at least for NOBODY I’ve ever met). Most of us would move heaven and earth to be cisgendered, but we’re not, and we can’t be. The only treatment for it that I know of that’s been shown to work reliably is for someone to be able to express their identity as far as they feel comfortable with. Never mind that many don’t dress up like you seem to think they do, I mean, if your idea of transgender is RuPaul, he’s not even one of us.
As far as being a “radical feminist”, I also rejected that as a second wave feminist because it was too exclusionary and wound up as hate-filled for people I loved—my own sons.
And the TERF ideology is essentially a second wave rehash, though directed almost purely at the T in the LGBT, in fact, they often ally with MRAs and other authoritarian right-wingers to attack male-to-female trans people. They do nothing that I’ve ever seen to help women, only to hurt who they see as men and those who they see as traitors to women.
She’s not doing this just because she believes in it, she’s doing it because she’s a full-on sadist. And she would do it to your children too.
201 | lawhawk Jun 30, 2014 7:06:15am |
re: #192 Charles Johnson
@dan_verg_ @trog69 you ignorant and hateful little man; @Green_Footballs had nothing to do with Breivik who got inspired by hate-right wing— lawhawk (@lawhawk) June 30, 2014
202 | GunstarGreen Jun 30, 2014 7:06:24am |
re: #197 lawhawk
Employees can’t be required to contribute to unions; Court refuses to extend Abood. It makes it tougher to expand public employee unions.
Once again, this Court rules against worker rights in a substantive fashion, which bodes poorly for the Hobby Lobby case IMO.
I’ll take “Free Rider Problem” for 500, Alex!
203 | Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP Jun 30, 2014 7:07:19am |
re: #150 Justanotherhuman
Please explain what you mean by “born in the wrong bodies”.
That flies in the face of science, at least what we know.
When someone feels that are the wrong gender and hate their bodies because they don’t match what they feel, that’s a huge problem. It’s why people take hormones and have surgery and make the decision to live their lives as the gender they feel they should have been born with.
It’s not weird, it’s not disgusting, and it in no way affects me, other than seeing people I love discriminated against due to being transgender.
204 | Aunty Entity Dragon Jun 30, 2014 7:07:21am |
re: #198 Justanotherhuman
Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?
A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.
Yes, I had rights as a male. I had to voluntarily give up these rights when I transitioned to being a female. Understanding male privilege and what I would surrender was part of the counseling process. Again, talk to a trans woman before you make these statements.
206 | Lidane Jun 30, 2014 7:09:15am |
ASSHOLE:
D'Souza: African-Americans better off because ancestors were “hauled from Africa to America” http://t.co/WLxx5uq4IZ pic.twitter.com/q8hL4NTyDZ— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) June 30, 2014
Typical RWNJ defense of slavery. WTF.
207 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 30, 2014 7:14:27am |
re: #177 Justanotherhuman
Scientifically measured? Do you have a link?
Sure.
Allowing for the restrictive methodology of the (ex post facto) study, it is concluded that there is no reason to doubt the therapeutic effect of sex reassignment surgery.
208 | AntonSirius Jun 30, 2014 7:15:13am |
re: #198 Justanotherhuman
Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?
A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.
Hold on. I am not attacking you - if you check, I gave you a plus 1 on your initial post on this because it seemed clear you were honestly expressing what might be an unpopular opinion.
Answering my question with a question seems to indicate you’re getting defensive, and I don’t want this to turn into a war or anything.
My analogy to the “traditional marriage” position is based on this: just as providing the right to marry to same-sex couples doesn’t in any way impact people in opposite-sex marriages, I simply don’t see how providing transgendered women with the same rights as cisgendered women in any way impacts the rights of cisgendered women.
So I’ll ask again: do you think providing those rights to the transgendered does impact the rights of “natural born” women? And if so, why?
209 | Self Respecting Woman Voter Against the GOP Jun 30, 2014 7:15:36am |
re: #198 Justanotherhuman
Are you saying that when they lived as males they never had rights?
A lot more than any female has ever had. Women have had to actually fight for the right to vote, the right to equal wages, the right to be treated in an equal way with men—socially, politically, economically—and we’re still doing it.
You think transgender women have an easy road?
210 | Justanotherhuman Jun 30, 2014 7:16:15am |
re: #204 Aunty Entity Dragon
Yes, I had rights as a male. I had to voluntarily give up these rights when I transitioned to being a female. Understanding male privilege and what I would surrender was part of the counseling process. Again, talk to a trans woman before you make these statements.
Why are most transgendered people male to female?
I don’t understand this whatsoever. I haven’t always been happy as a woman, but that hinged more on being subjected to injustice as a woman which is why I was a “Second Wave” feminist and still think women don’t have enough rights, not because I wanted to physically be a man.
Why would I want to be a man? I just don’t get the thinking behind any of it.
211 | Fairly Sure I'm Still Obdicut Jun 30, 2014 7:23:45am |
re: #210 Justanotherhuman
Why are most transgendered people male to female?
This is a big, complicated question nobody knows the answer to and has a ton of factors to it.
I don’t understand this whatsoever. I haven’t always been happy as a woman, but that hinged more on being subjected to injustice as a woman which is why I was a “Second Wave” feminist and still think women don’t have enough rights, not because I wanted to physically be a man.
Transgender people want to be physically the other sex. It’s not just about unhappiness with role. [Edit: the extent to which they wish to transition varies wildly, and there are plenty of queer folk who identify as no gender]
Why would I want to be a man? I just don’t get the thinking behind any of it.
It’s not thinking. It’s not a rational choice. It’s feeling. This is kind of like asking “Why would someone want to be gay.”
212 | Alyosha Jun 30, 2014 7:24:45am |
re: #210 Justanotherhuman
You don’t understand it because you don’t have the experience of identifying as a gender other than the one you currently identify with, which also happens to dovetail with how you experience yourself as a fully-realised being.
To those with the desire to fully realise their gender, the ins-and-outs and politicking of sex and established norms and privileges are secondary to being at one with themselves.
There’s no choice.