Yahoo News Publishes Photo of Police Officer Who Shot Michael Brown

Six months before the shooting
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Yesterday the officer who gunned down black teenager Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri was identified as Darren Wilson, and today Yahoo News has discovered photos of Wilson posted at the Facebook page of his father, John Wilson.

The photos were taken six months before the shooting, when Darren Wilson received a commendation for “extraordinary effort in the line of duty.” (John Wilson’s Facebook page has now been deactivated.)

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138 comments
1 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 11:39:20am

What’s the big deal about releasing the identity of those who serve the community?

ohhh…..

2 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 11:39:34am
3 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 11:42:25am

Startling Video From Shooting Scene

Taken with a cell phone right after the shooting. Warning: disturbing. Brown’s body is visible throughout.

4 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2014 11:42:26am

This won’t be good.

5 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 11:43:53am
6 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 11:44:11am

Here’s the video. Again, warning for disturbing content.

Video

7 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 11:45:04am

re: #1 wrenchwench

What’s the big deal about releasing the identity of those who serve the community?

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ohhh…..

And for those wondering why so many Florida cities have laws prohibiting wearing masks except on Halloween, that photo right there is the reason. Those anti-mask laws were passed to eliminate an advantage of the ‘Invisible Empire’: Its anonymity.

8 Dr. Matt  Aug 16, 2014 11:46:41am

That’s the whitest “Black guy” I have ever seen.

9 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 11:48:44am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Startling Video From Shooting Scene

Taken with a cell phone right after the shooting. Warning: disturbing. Brown’s body is visible throughout.

They think it’s important that we see it, even thought it might be disturbing, but they bleep the language? That’s fucked up.

10 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 11:49:38am

I’m not sure where the hell he’s hearing this, but a wingnut just tried to tell me that a “friend” of Wilson’s is now saying that, contrary to every other witness’ recall of events, Brown actually turned and charged once shot the first time, necessitating WIlson’s emptying the rest of the magazine into him.

11 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 11:50:44am

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

And for those wondering why so many Florida cities have laws prohibiting wearing masks except on Halloween, that photo right there is the reason. Those anti-mask laws were passed to eliminate an advantage of the ‘Invisible Empire’: Its anonymity.

And if they have clean records from the military can I still criticize their choices in self-expression?

12 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 11:54:37am
13 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 11:55:10am

re: #11 wrenchwench

And if they have clean records from the military can I still criticize their choices in self-expression?

Hell yes!

14 Danny  Aug 16, 2014 11:59:32am

re: #10 Targetpractice

I’m not sure where the hell he’s hearing this, but a wingnut just tried to tell me that a “friend” of Wilson’s is now saying that, contrary to every other witness’ recall of events, Brown actually turned and charged once shot the first time, necessitating WIlson’s emptying the rest of the magazine into him.

A friend of Wilson’s said Wilson’s “significant other” told her that. She was on a radio talk show yesterday. Joann posted a link a couple of threads down.

15 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 12:00:41pm

Skepticism warranted.

16 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 12:01:09pm
17 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 12:01:31pm

Totally contradicted by numerous eyewitness accounts.

18 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2014 12:02:04pm

Idiot on friend’s FB. “He was breaking the law by standing on the street blocking traffic”. Wtf is wrong with people.

19 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:03:51pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Totally contradicted by numerous eyewitness accounts.

Hence the effort to discredit the witnesses, primarily by interviewing none of them and thus ensuring that when they eventually are called to testify at trial, it will be the word of a “biased” witness against the “official” record as told by Wilson.

20 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:04:05pm

re: #18 GlutenFreeJesus

Idiot on friend’s FB. “He was breaking the law by standing on the street blocking traffic”. Wtf is wrong with people.

People REALLY hate jay walkers.

/

21 A Mom Anon  Aug 16, 2014 12:05:39pm

re: #18 GlutenFreeJesus

Since when is “breaking the law” punishable by immediate death by cop? That’s kind of why we have a criminal justice system in the first place. I swear, unless it happens to a wingnut it just doesn’t ring any fucking bells of empathy or compassion with them at all. If it was their kid they’d be wanting heads on platters right now. Whether their kid was in the right or wrong.

22 Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2014 12:05:44pm

Perry to address Indictment at 2PM

23 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:06:07pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

And if they have clean records from the military can I still criticize their choices in self-expression?

Sure, your right to do so is protected by the 1st Amendment. Just don’t tell the cops in Ferguson, since they seem to have flunked their training on the Bill of Rights.

24 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:06:35pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Perry to address Indictment at 2PM

Well gee, let’s think. It’ll probably go “I’m not corrupt, I’ve done nothing wrong, this is totally political in nature, and Democrats should be ashamed for going along with this.”

25 Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2014 12:07:05pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

From the get go…..

26 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:07:41pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

Sure, your right to do so is protected by the 1st Amendment. Just don’t tell the cops in Ferguson, since they seem to have flunked their training on the Bill of Rights.

Obviously I’m not talking about my right to do so. I’m talking about your lame defense of the bad shirt guy on the previous thread.

27 danarchy  Aug 16, 2014 12:08:14pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

They think it’s important that we see it, even thought it might be disturbing, but they bleep the language? That’s fucked up.

I’d say it was fear of the FCC, but since they are cable and not broadcast I don’t think they have to worry about that do they?

28 Kragar  Aug 16, 2014 12:08:57pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Well gee, let’s think. It’ll probably go “I’m not corrupt, I’ve done nothing wrong, this is totally political in nature, and Democrats should be ashamed for going along with this.”

“I am not a crook.”

29 Dave In Austin  Aug 16, 2014 12:10:20pm

Perry sidesteps to BORDER!!!!

30 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 12:10:29pm

re: #17 Charles Johnson

Totally contradicted by numerous eyewitness accounts.

They also haven’t released the autopsy results pending toxicology. However no toxicology test is going to excuse Brown being first shot in the back.

31 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 12:10:34pm

re: #28 Kragar

“I am not a crook.”

I am not a crackhead. This is just blow.

32 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:12:36pm

re: #26 wrenchwench

Obviously I’m not talking about my right to do so. I’m talking about your lame defense of the bad shirt guy on the previous thread.

I don’t really think the shirt is bad, and I’ve said pretty much all I’m willing to say on that matter.

33 dholmes32  Aug 16, 2014 12:13:01pm

re: #27 danarchy

I’d say it was fear of the FCC, but since they are cable and not broadcast I don’t think they have to worry about that do they?

Probably more worried about the One Million Moms and other “watchdog” TV groups who are worried about their kids’ virgin ears.

34 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:13:49pm

It really is shocking to compare and contrast the actions of the Sanford PD in the Martin shooting to the Ferguson PD here. Even as incompetent as their investigation ultimately proved to be, Sanford PD still took time to canvas the neighborhood in the immediate aftermath and interview witnesses. Here, the FPD apparently decided that the cop’s recall of events was enough to whitewash the whole thing and didn’t even bother asking people if they’d seen anything. The key eyewitness, the victim’s friend who’d been with him all through the altercation, has never been interviewed and the FPD has instead taken pains to avoid actually doing so.

I don’t think we can write off their actions to incompetence anymore. There is a willful attempt here to subvert the rule of law. If the FBI doesn’t come down on them hard, then it’s going to have long term repercussions.

35 A Mom Anon  Aug 16, 2014 12:15:13pm

Alrighty, I am off to visit my buddy in the hospital. Stubborn man that he is. He was supposed to die this week. HA. He’s actually awake and off the vent sometimes. It looked like it was the end on Tuesday, and then he started improving. The docs are cautiously optimistic that they can maybe start radiation treatment soon if he continues to improve. They had literally given him a week to live and it’s been 11 days now. That is fighting and bravery kids. BBL, have a good Saturday lizards.

36 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:16:16pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

I don’t really think the shirt is bad, and I’ve said pretty much all I’m willing to say on that matter.

Also, the matter of the War on Women, I suppose.

It’s not a metaphor. There’s even real shooting.

37 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:18:52pm
38 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:19:05pm
39 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:19:34pm
40 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:19:53pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wait, I thought they had to wait on the toxicology results?

41 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 12:20:42pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I’m not sure where the hell he’s hearing this, but a wingnut just tried to tell me that a “friend” of Wilson’s is now saying that, contrary to every other witness’ recall of events, Brown actually turned and charged once shot the first time, necessitating WIlson’s emptying the rest of the magazine into him.

re: #14 Danny

A friend of Wilson’s said Wilson’s “significant other” told her that. She was on a radio talk show yesterday. Joann posted a link a couple of threads down.

I believe it was on the Dana Loesch radio show. I didn’t listen to it—knew hearing Dana’s voice would induce projectile vomiting.

42 makeitstop  Aug 16, 2014 12:20:43pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Wait, I thought they had to wait on the toxicology results?

That was before the jury pool was sufficiently poisoned.

43 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:22:09pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Wait, I thought they had to wait on the toxicology results?

44 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:22:11pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

It really is shocking to compare and contrast the actions of the Sanford PD in the Martin shooting to the Ferguson PD here. Even as incompetent as their investigation ultimately proved to be, Sanford PD still took time to canvas the neighborhood in the immediate aftermath and interview witnesses. Here, the FPD apparently decided that the cop’s recall of events was enough to whitewash the whole thing and didn’t even bother asking people if they’d seen anything. The key eyewitness, the victim’s friend who’d been with him all through the altercation, has never been interviewed and the FPD has instead taken pains to avoid actually doing so.

I don’t think we can write off their actions to incompetence anymore. There is a willful attempt here to subvert the rule of law. If the FBI doesn’t come down on them hard, then it’s going to have long term repercussions.

Must Concur. The FPD has throughout this entire matter only shown concern for protecting itself and its personnel. That attitude is unacceptable in a police force.

45 Shazam  Aug 16, 2014 12:23:18pm

First, start with fact that victim is black*. Next, add apathy. Stir in some racism. I prefer, “Well, he must have been doing something wrong.” Then, find any law he might have been breaking. Voilà, now you have a justifiable reason for murder.

*It’s not recommended to substitute a white victim for a black one, as that tends to make the final justification unpalatable.

46 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:23:37pm

For a mother, white privilege means your heart doesn’t hit your throat when your kids walk out the door. It means you don’t worry that the cops will shoot your sons.

It carries another burden instead. White privilege means that if you don’t school your sons about it, if you don’t insist on its reality and call out oppression, your sons may become something terrifying.

Your sons may become the shooters.

47 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 12:25:14pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Must Concur. The FPD has throughout this entire matter only shown concern for protecting itself and its personnel. That attitude is unacceptable in a police force.

This is the worst example of entire police departments (Ferguson PD and St. Louis county) trying to get away with murder that I can recall.

48 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 12:25:35pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, they’d probably like to have it all cleared up, and Wilson exonerated, before Labor Day Weekend. I mean, where are your priorities? //

49 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:26:07pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Okay, so they’re going to drag out a grand jury for the next 3-5 weeks while they wait on toxicology to cook? Yegods, what a clusterfuck.

50 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:28:13pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

Okay, so they’re going to drag out a grand jury for the next 3-5 weeks while they wait on toxicology to cook? Yegods, what a clusterfuck.

Gotta keep the outrage going, no matter what, I suppose.

51 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:28:20pm

And now for something a bit lighter, from an actual war zone: Here we see an member of Ukraine’s Donbass Battalion under firm observation by his superior as he patrols the town of Mariinka:

The page this photo is from is here.

52 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:29:16pm

Good freaking grief.

53 Danny  Aug 16, 2014 12:29:34pm

re: #41 BeachDem

I believe it was on the Dana Loesch radio show. I didn’t listen to it—knew hearing Dana’s voice would induce projectile vomiting.

I think you’re right. I only listened to the caller. She said all shots were taken as Brown faced Wilson.

54 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 12:30:05pm
55 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:31:55pm

re: #53 Danny

I think you’re right. I only listened to the caller. She said all shots were taken as Brown faced Wilson.

Yeah, the assertion now is that Brown turned around after the first two shots and immediately charged Wilson, leaving him no other choice but to empty the magazine into Brown.

Because it makes total sense, right? You’re running from the cop whose gun you failed to grab, and decide after he’s started shooting at you to turn around and charge right into the gunfire./////

56 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 12:33:22pm

re: #54 Gus

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Asking normally ok, but with a bullhorn?

57 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 12:34:44pm

re: #56 abolitionist

Asking normall ok, but with a bullhorn?

Looks like a small bullhorn.

58 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 12:35:17pm

They’re done with Jesse.

59 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 12:35:26pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Yeah, the assertion now is that Brown turned around after the first two shots and immediately charged Wilson, leaving him no other choice but to empty the magazine into Brown.

Because it makes total sense, right? You’re running from the cop whose gun you failed to grab, and decide after he’s started shooting at you to turn around and charge right into the gunfire./////

Totally believable. ///

Somehow I think this fairy tale will not survive once the autopsy results are known. The official coroner may be corrupt and complicit in this, but the family will have their own autopsy done.

60 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:35:46pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good freaking grief.

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Showing his picture is fine. Showing the cop’s home? Not so much.

61 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 12:37:01pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

I don’t really think the shirt is bad, and I’ve said pretty much all I’m willing to say on that matter.

It was a tacky as fuck, home altered and unhemmed sleeveless pit venter on a Lardo McFatbody.

62 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:37:02pm

re: #59 EPR-radar

Totally believable. ///

Somehow I think this fairy tale will not survive once the autopsy results are known. The official coroner may be corrupt and complicit in this, but the family will have their own autopsy done.

I believe that’s why we’ve seen neither the cop’s report or the autopsy results, because one or more shots were to Brown’s back and that skewers any talk of the cop’s shots being defensive. If you’re shooting a suspect in the back, then he’s not posing a danger to you.

63 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:37:07pm
64 KerFuFFler  Aug 16, 2014 12:38:16pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Because it makes total sense, right? You’re running from the cop whose gun you failed to grab, and decide after he’s started shooting at you to turn around and charge right into the gunfire./////

This is why they are praying to G-d that toxicology report finds drugs or alcohol in his system. If his behavior makes no sense, it will be ‘because he was whacked out of his mind on drugs’. Wilson’s girlfriend said that when Wilson shot him he thought Brown must be high on something because his behavior seemed so bizarre.

65 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:38:29pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who are those saying that?

I may never know…

66 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 12:38:32pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Showing his picture is fine. Showing the cop’s home? Not so much.

Well, he bailed the home days ago.

They need to look in Florida at this point.

67 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:39:19pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

Well, he bailed the home days ago.

They need to look in Florida at this point.

He’ll kinda blend in with Florida Man.

68 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 12:39:35pm

See his TL for the rest of the story.

69 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:39:42pm

re: #64 KerFuFFler

This is why they are praying to G-d that toxicology report finds drugs or alcohol in his system. If his behavior makes no sense, it will be ‘because he was whacked out of his mind on drugs’. Wilson’s girlfriend said that when Wilson shot him he thought Brown must be high on something because his behavior seemed so bizarre.

Yeah, we remember those words from the Martin slaying as well, that his irrational behavior had to be due to drug, even though the levels of THC in his system were not enough to impair judgment.

70 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2014 12:41:11pm

re: #21 A Mom Anon

Since when is “breaking the law” punishable by immediate death by cop? That’s kind of why we have a criminal justice system in the first place. I swear, unless it happens to a wingnut it just doesn’t ring any fucking bells of empathy or compassion with them at all. If it was their kid they’d be wanting heads on platters right now. Whether their kid was in the right or wrong.

Exactly. I’m done arguing with that fool anyway. His whole thing: you’re missing the point. He was breaking the law!

Sigh.

71 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:41:32pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

I believe that’s why we’ve seen neither the cop’s report or the autopsy results, because one or more shots were to Brown’s back and that skewers any talk of the cop’s shots being defensive. If you’re shooting a suspect in the back, then he’s not posing a danger to you.

Though sometimes people do get spun around by gunfire as they’re being hit by it. But in that case at least one of the longer range wounds will be to the front. If all of those gunshot wounds are to the back, then there is no way this shooting is not a crime.

72 makeitstop  Aug 16, 2014 12:41:48pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

Well, he bailed the home days ago.

They need to look in Florida at this point.

Idaho is my guess.

73 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 12:44:34pm

re: #64 KerFuFFler

This is why they are praying to G-d that toxicology report finds drugs or alcohol in his system. If his behavior makes no sense, it will be ‘because he was whacked out of his mind on drugs’. Wilson’s girlfriend said that when Wilson shot him he thought Brown must be high on something because his behavior seemed so bizarre.

In any event witness Tiffany Mitchell’s clearly described the officer shooting while running after Brown, missing with his first shots and then striking Brown from behind. Brown reportedly jerked and turned around with his hands up, then officer Wilson continued to advance while firing repeatedly until Brown dropped to the ground. Afterwards there were absolutely zero attempts to render aid.

No toxicology report is going to make that okay.

74 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:45:02pm

re: #68 Gus

See his TL for the rest of the story.

Is it only Twitter Morons saying it or did some RWNJ radio host make the claim? I’m very curious where it sprang from, because it was repeated in real life here by someone who can’t name his source.

75 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 12:45:03pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I’m not sure where the hell he’s hearing this, but a wingnut just tried to tell me that a “friend” of Wilson’s is now saying that, contrary to every other witness’ recall of events, Brown actually turned and charged once shot the first time, necessitating WIlson’s emptying the rest of the magazine into him.

IIRC, Wilson’s SO is also a cop. Don’t remember which article it was, but it said he’d been married and bought a house, then got divorced, moved out and was living with his SO, who is also a cop.

76 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 12:45:23pm

lol

It’s the “I know you are but what am I?” defense.

77 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 12:46:24pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Though sometimes people do get spun around by gunfire as they’re being hit by it. But in that case at least one of the longer range wounds will be to the front. If all of those gunshot wounds are to the back, then there is no way this shooting is not a crime.

Nope, if any of the rounds are to his back it’s a crime, since witness Tiffany Mitchell clearly described the first hit striking Brown as he was fleeing from Wilson. You don’t get to shoot unarmed people running away from you, especially when their only crime is the suspected theft of some Swisher Sweets.

78 KerFuFFler  Aug 16, 2014 12:46:24pm

re: #59 EPR-radar

Totally believable. ///

Somehow I think this fairy tale will not survive once the autopsy results are known. The official coroner may be corrupt and complicit in this, but the family will have their own autopsy done.

Is it possible that the procedures in an autopsy could make it difficult for a subsequent autopsy to determine what really happened? Would another coroner be able to tell if the body was tampered with?

I know, it’s just too paranoid, but seeing FPD’s behavior so far makes me think they’d stop at nothing.

79 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:47:36pm

re: #73 goddamnedfrank

In any event witness Tiffany Mitchell’s clearly described the officer shooting while running after Brown, missing with his first shots and then striking Brown from behind. Brown reportedly jerked and turned around with his hands up, then officer Wilson continued to advance while firing repeatedly until Brown dropped to the ground. Afterwards there were absolutely zero attempts to render aid.

No toxicology report is going to make that okay.

Hence the robbery footage, released in an attempt to paint Brown as a ” Violent Criminal Negro”.

80 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 12:48:43pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Hence the robbery footage, released in an attempt to paint Brown as a ” Violent Criminal Negro”.

Doesn’t matter if he was running away. Doesn’t matter at all.

81 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2014 12:48:53pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

Nope, if any of the rounds are to his back it’s a crime, since witness Tiffany Mitchell clearly described the first hit striking Brown as he was fleeing from Wilson. You don’t get to shoot unarmed people running away from you, especially when their only crime is the suspected theft of some Swisher Sweets.

But the cop wasn’t even privy to that. This whole altercation started from what is in essence jaywalking.

82 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 12:48:54pm

re: #75 CuriousLurker

IIRC, Wilson’s SO is also a cop. Don’t remember which article it was, but it said he’d been married and bought a house, then got divorced, moved out and was living with his SO, who is also a cop.

In case it’s not obvious, my point being, “Oh yeah, his girlfriend. A fellow cop. Hearsay from her friend. Suuuure, there’s no conflict of interest there. What’s not to believe? //

83 Ryan King  Aug 16, 2014 12:49:13pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Well gee, let’s think. It’ll probably go “I’m not corrupt, I’ve done nothing wrong, this is totally political in nature, and Democrats should be ashamed for going along with this.”

Yeah, now it’s political, as if it wasn’t before.

84 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:49:20pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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lol

It’s the “I know you are but what am I?” defense.

Sounds like a rapist trying to accuse his victim of taking advantage of him. The man purposefully tried to use the powers of his office to force the Travis County DA to resign, but he’s the victim here?

85 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:49:25pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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lol

It’s the “I know you are but what am I?” defense.

86 GlutenFreeJesus  Aug 16, 2014 12:49:32pm

re: #78 KerFuFFler

Is it possible that the procedures in an autopsy could make it difficult for a subsequent autopsy to determine what really happened? Would another coroner be able to tell if the body was tampered with?

I know, it’s just too paranoid, but seeing FPD’s behavior so far makes me think they’d stop at nothing.

I’m actually expecting this to happen.

87 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 12:49:42pm

re: #74 wrenchwench

Apparently it’s what happened.

88 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 12:50:09pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Showing his picture is fine. Showing the cop’s home? Not so much.

I agree, but it prolly doesn’t matter since they say he’s been gone out of town anyway.

89 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 12:50:29pm

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

Nope, if any of the rounds are to his back it’s a crime, since witness Tiffany Mitchell clearly described the first hit striking Brown as he was fleeing from Wilson. You don’t get to shoot unarmed people running away from you, especially when their only crime is the suspected theft of some Swisher Sweets.

Frank, I agree with you about the law and the circumstances. I was just saying that it is possible for someone to have gunshot wounds to the back but for the shooting to have been justified. It was point on forensics. I don’t think such a situation is true in this case.

90 b.d.  Aug 16, 2014 12:50:41pm

re: #60 Dark_Falcon

Showing his picture is fine. Showing the cop’s home? Not so much.

Maybe somebody put in a FOIA request for them to show it?

//

91 Sionainn  Aug 16, 2014 12:50:59pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I’m not sure where the hell he’s hearing this, but a wingnut just tried to tell me that a “friend” of Wilson’s is now saying that, contrary to every other witness’ recall of events, Brown actually turned and charged once shot the first time, necessitating WIlson’s emptying the rest of the magazine into him.

Some wingnut posted something about an “alleged friend” on Dana Loesch’s show yesterday, giving the cop’s side of the story.

92 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 12:51:29pm

re: #87 Gus

Apparently it’s what happened.

Antonio French is also retweeting it. Apparently it did happen. People were pissed off that Jackson tried to use the protests to fundraise.

93 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 12:52:08pm

re: #81 GlutenFreeJesus

But the cop wasn’t even privy to that. This whole altercation started from what is in essence jaywalking.

Right, but again it doesn’t matter. Shooting someone who’s running away from you is attempted murder at best. Continuing to shoot them multiple times after they’ve turned around with their hands up is first degree murder.

94 KingKenrod  Aug 16, 2014 12:52:09pm

The officer standing over Brown’s body in this photo looks a lot like Wilson. This is the picture that @TheePharoah took just after the shooting (it shows Brown’s body).

Link

95 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 12:52:28pm
96 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:52:41pm

re: #87 Gus

Apparently it’s what happened.

Oops, I crossed stories. I was still on Wesley Lowery. So I went and read his timeline. Heh.

97 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 12:53:40pm

re: #96 wrenchwench

Oops, I crossed stories. I was still on Wesley Lowery. So I went and read his timeline. Heh.

Ah, OK. Was a little hesitant there so I guess this must be why. :D

98 Sionainn  Aug 16, 2014 12:54:49pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

I don’t really think the shirt is bad, and I’ve said pretty much all I’m willing to say on that matter.

Of course, the shirt isn’t bad. It’s perfectly reasonable for someone to walk around wearing a shirt declaring their willingness to shoot people.

/fucking facepalm

99 Targetpractice  Aug 16, 2014 12:55:09pm

re: #85 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

“The President’s usage of executive orders is unlawful! His delay of the employer mandate is subverting Congress! He needs to be impeached!”

“The President is exercising the lawful powers of his office.”

“But he can’t use them in this way! It’s illegal! Impeach!”

“Well, Gov Perry used the lawful powers of his office to try to force a political opponent to resign.”

“THAT’S DIFFERENT!!!!”

100 CuriousLurker  Aug 16, 2014 12:55:15pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

Though sometimes people do get spun around by gunfire as they’re being hit by it. But in that case at least one of the longer range wounds will be to the front. If all of those gunshot wounds are to the back, then there is no way this shooting is not a crime.

I’m no firearms expert, but Michael was like 6’4” and heavyset. I really don’t see a handgun spinning a guy that size around.

101 Backwoods_Sleuth  Aug 16, 2014 12:56:14pm
102 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 12:57:31pm

re: #64 KerFuFFler

This is why they are praying to G-d that toxicology report finds drugs or alcohol in his system. If his behavior makes no sense, it will be ‘because he was whacked out of his mind on drugs’. Wilson’s girlfriend said that when Wilson shot him he thought Brown must be high on something because his behavior seemed so bizarre.

And they’re off to the races. And of course it would be on Dana Loesch’s show that she said it. Is Dana still on CNN (I haven’t watched them since they put Erick Son of Erick on teevee)? I’m sure they’ll be having her on soon to share her tremendous insight.

103 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 12:58:41pm

re: #102 BeachDem

Loesch was fired from CNN a while ago.

104 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 12:59:05pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

I’m no firearms expert, but Michael was like 6’4” and heavyset. I really don’t see a handgun spinning a guy that size around.

People mostly get “spun around” in movies. It’s a Hollywood trope, bullshit. In real life a shooter can’t impart any more momentum to a target than they impart to themselves through recoil.

105 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 12:59:11pm

Barn door: closing.

Horse: deceased.

106 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 1:01:08pm

Of all the news outlets in America, NPR is probably the LEAST influenced by government propaganda. If anything, they’re overly balanced in their reporting, but generally they are extremely receptive to liberal and progressive points of view.

So of course Glenn Greenwald viciously attacks them.

107 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 1:01:14pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That’s a different and smaller vehicle than the one seen a few days ago. Or at least I think it is.

108 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 1:01:30pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

People mostly get “spun around” in movies. It’s a Hollywood trope, bullshit. In real life a shooter can’t impart any more momentum to a target than they impart to themselves through recoil.

Concur.

109 Sionainn  Aug 16, 2014 1:02:03pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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lol

It’s the “I know you are but what am I?” defense.

Uh, yeah….

Perry really is a moron, isn’t he?

110 klys  Aug 16, 2014 1:02:16pm

What has stuck in my mind lately has been that in the images after the shooting, he’s face down. At the same time (forgive the graphic nature here), he clearly bled for quite a bit.

Dead people don’t bleed. And while yes, if major arteries were hit he could bleed out relatively quickly, most indications I’ve seen are that it still takes 1-2 minutes.

It’s pretty clear then that it took them longer than you would hope to check on his status.

111 klys  Aug 16, 2014 1:02:32pm

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

People mostly get “spun around” in movies. It’s a Hollywood trope, bullshit. In real life a shooter can’t impart any more momentum to a target than they impart to themselves through recoil.

Mythbusters busted this.

112 Franklin  Aug 16, 2014 1:05:25pm

Oh myyyy.

113 Rightwingconspirator  Aug 16, 2014 1:07:11pm

re: #110 klys

Dammit there is an obligation to render aid after the “threat” is over. Especially in a single unarmed suspect circumstance. I mean why not? There was some criticism of LAPD holding paramedics back in the immediate wake of the North Hollywood bank heist shoot. The opposite far more threatening moment.

114 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 1:07:40pm

So we appear to have Ferguson PD and St. Louis county PD more interested in inciting riots than investigating a likely murder.

Are the desired riots supposed to district from the initial murder, or it is a way for certain inconvenient people to unfortunately end up dead in the rioting, or both? It is sickening to have such suspicions about a police department and have them be remotely close to justifiable.

I think it is time for the state or Feds to take direct action:

1) The entire Ferguson PD off this case, and off the streets of Ferguson. Normal policing for Ferguson + extra security for protests can be provided by other agencies (e.g., MO highway patrol). Suspension of Ferguson PD to last at least as long at it takes for competent authorities to investigate everything that needs to be investigated.

2) Any Ferguson cop that wants to earn their pay during this administrative leave, from the chief down to the beat cops, can earn their pay by performing parking enforcement in localities as far away from Ferguson as possible.

3) The FBI takes over the murder case, as well as the civil rights cases they are already investigating.

115 Stanley Sea  Aug 16, 2014 1:07:43pm
116 Charles Johnson  Aug 16, 2014 1:08:48pm
117 Danny  Aug 16, 2014 1:08:54pm

re: #78 KerFuFFler

Is it possible that the procedures in an autopsy could make it difficult for a subsequent autopsy to determine what really happened? Would another coroner be able to tell if the body was tampered with?

No way to remove bullet holes.

118 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 1:08:54pm

Saw the EMT in the CNN video. Man speaking was relating someone else’s witness account. EMT didn’t provide aid so I’ll assume the cop there told him he was dead I would assume.

119 Kid A  Aug 16, 2014 1:10:53pm
120 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 1:11:20pm

Or something.

121 Gus  Aug 16, 2014 1:11:43pm

EMT is with the kit and blue gloves.

122 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 1:11:46pm

From the article:

Making matters worse in the eyes of some apartment residents, police have closed off nearly all access points with concrete barriers and fencing.

About a year ago, a gate went up on the main thoroughfare that’s typically open only during the school year so buses can head to Koch Elementary School.

When it’s closed, hundreds of residents have just one way in and out.

“The city required us to put that gate in,” said Burns, of Eagle Point. Stopping the traffic, she was told, would benefit the city and the police department.

Rochele Jackson, 54, a Northwinds resident, viewed it a different way.

“I am wondering if it is for safety or just to cage us in,” said Jackson, who works on a cleaning crew at Washington University.

So they make it almost impossible to drive around in the complex, yet it is vitally important to bust jay walkers?

123 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:12:11pm

re: #78 KerFuFFler

Is it possible that the procedures in an autopsy could make it difficult for a subsequent autopsy to determine what really happened? Would another coroner be able to tell if the body was tampered with?

I know, it’s just too paranoid, but seeing FPD’s behavior so far makes me think they’d stop at nothing.

IIRC, STL has a coroner’s office next to the STL PD downtown. I’ve walked past it several times in the past, so it wouldn’t be directly connected to the FPD.

124 EPR-radar  Aug 16, 2014 1:12:36pm

re: #119 Kid A

The DUI is such an obvious excuse. Of course Perry’s motivation was to protect the Perry crony crooks her office was investigating.

125 abolitionist  Aug 16, 2014 1:14:57pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

You’ve gone soft, Charles. /

126 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 1:15:35pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

Loesch was fired from CNN a while ago.

Thanks for the info—was it for her “I’d like to pee on corpses” comment or something else?

127 Rev_Arthur_Belling  Aug 16, 2014 1:16:22pm

re: #124 EPR-radar

The DUI is such an obvious excuse. Of course Perry’s motivation was to protect the Perry crony crooks her office was investigating.

Not to mention the fact that she served her time, apparently. She was an elected official. If people elect her again, that’s their fault. Somehow, Louis Gohmert keeps getting elected, and he’s brain damaged.

128 KerFuFFler  Aug 16, 2014 1:17:14pm

re: #117 Danny

No way to remove bullet holes.

But if you take enough tissue samples and make enough incisions could a coroner make it difficult to see what had actually happened?

129 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:17:32pm

re: #124 EPR-radar

The DUI is such an obvious excuse. Of course Perry’s motivation was to protect the Perry crony crooks her office was investigating.

There’s also the fact that she’s a lesbian Democrat.

Perry was just trying to keep Texas from falling into the pocket of Big Vagina.

130 goddamnedfrank  Aug 16, 2014 1:18:26pm

re: #128 KerFuFFler

But if you take enough tissue samples and make enough incisions could a coroner make it difficult to see what had actually happened?

This isn’t a realistic concern.

131 klys  Aug 16, 2014 1:18:48pm

re: #128 KerFuFFler

But if you take enough tissue samples and make enough incisions could a coroner make it difficult to see what had actually happened?

If something like that was done, the second coroner would be able to tell and at least note that.

Until we have results from at least one autopsy, I’m going to consider the ME’s office as not-involved-in-covering-up-shit.

132 Dark_Falcon  Aug 16, 2014 1:20:08pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

There’s also the fact that she’s a lesbian Democrat.

Perry was just trying to keep Texas from falling into the pocket of Big Vagina.

Is ‘the pocket of Big Vagina’ like the g-spot or some such?

/ducks

133 austin_blue  Aug 16, 2014 1:28:31pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

lol

It’s the “I know you are but what am I?” defense.

Richard Perry is a very funny dude, isn’t he?

(If he’s wearing glasses and Florsheim’s, he’s Richard. No glasses and Tony Lama’s? Back to Rick.)

134 wrenchwench  Aug 16, 2014 1:33:36pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

There’s also the fact that she’s a lesbian Democrat.

Perry was just trying to keep Texas from falling into the pocket of Big Vagina.

lol

Youtube Video

135 BeachDem  Aug 16, 2014 1:43:15pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

There’s also the fact that she’s a lesbian Democrat.

Perry was just trying to keep Texas from falling into the pocket of Big Vagina.

Not just a lesbian, but an OPEN lesbian, as Brian Fischer “scooped” us with that info (and includes it in every subsequent tweet)

Still not sure why being a lesbian is an abuse of power, but whatevah.

136 becominginvisible  Aug 16, 2014 1:50:20pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

(sorry if someone has answered already) The family attorney said, I think on Thursday, the family and police department autopsies are finished and the family was hoping a federal agency would also have an autopsy.

137 lostlakehiker  Aug 16, 2014 3:47:14pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Well gee, let’s think. It’ll probably go “I’m not corrupt, I’ve done nothing wrong, this is totally political in nature, and Democrats should be ashamed for going along with this.”

There will eventually be an outcome.

(1) Conviction, sustained through all levels of appeal.
(2) Conviction, reversed on appeal.
(3) Acquittal at trial.
(4) Charges dropped before trial.

Any bets?

138 lostlakehiker  Aug 16, 2014 4:03:02pm

re: #64 KerFuFFler

This is why they are praying to G-d that toxicology report finds drugs or alcohol in his system. If his behavior makes no sense, it will be ‘because he was whacked out of his mind on drugs’. Wilson’s girlfriend said that when Wilson shot him he thought Brown must be high on something because his behavior seemed so bizarre.

Behavior was bizarre already. Going into a store that has video security and grabbing a box of cigars and muscling your way past the owner? That’s a bad calculation of risk versus reward.

Walking down the middle of the street? Also bizarre. Especially since at that point, the last thing he needed was to draw official notice.

And then assaulting the officer? Not quite bizarre. He’s carrying the cigars. He has reason to think he’s been pegged for the robbery and is in trouble with the law. This gives him rational motive to attack, which, combined with the officer’s injuries, puts it inside the realm of the reasonably possible that he really did attack the officer.

And now there’s another guy whose actions are bizarre. The officer. Shooting the assailant while he’s attacking you and going for your gun? If that’s what happened, it was reasonable. The first shot, that would be.

Shooting him repeatedly while he’s retreating and/or out of arm’s reach? A mental meltdown at the very most generous interpretation. Vengeance shots, which would be deliberate murder, at the other end of interpretation.

The announced reason that Ferguson PD put the store video out was that FOI requests required they be released. Another possible reason is that the store video is relevant to the credibility of the officer’s claim that he was assaulted, for the reasons sketched out above. But none of it is relevant to the main question which is, even assuming an attack, why all the other shots?


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