National Review Writer Upset Because Donald Trump Isn’t Saying the Magic Words

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National Review’s Jim Geraghty is disturbed and upset because Donald Trump isn’t intoning the correct magic right wing words in his speeches: Donald Trump’s Message Doesn’t Include ‘Liberty’ or ‘Freedom’.

Did you ever think you would see the day when the GOP front-runner rarely uttered the words “freedom” and “liberty”?

Perhaps some Republicans can be accused of loving liberty and freedom too much — or at least using those words as rhetorical crutches. Donald Trump is not one of them. The current GOP presidential front-runner rarely uses the words “freedom” or “liberty” in his remarks at all.

Trump didn’t use the words “freedom” or “liberty” in his announcement speech. He didn’t use those words in his Nashville speech on August 29, or his Nashville rally on August 21, or his appearance at the Iowa State Fair on August 15, or his rally and news conference in New Hampshire on August 14, or his news conference in Birch Run, Mich., or his press conference in Laredo, Texas, on July 23.

He didn’t use those words while discussing his signing of the Republican National Committee’s pledge last Thursday, or in his contentious interview with Hugh Hewitt the same day.

At least Trump said “free market,” though. That ought to be good for a few magic political credits.

Trump did use the term “free-market” once during his Meet the Press interview with Chuck Todd, in a defense of his qualified support for affirmative action: “Well, you know, you have to also go free market. You have to go capability. You have to do a lot of things. But I’m fine with affirmative action.” The word “liberty” didn’t even come up.

But just look at this word cloud created by the Washington Post. No freedom. No liberty. This is very bad. (h/t: @jaunte.)

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581 comments
1
thedopefishlives  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:51:47pm

And so it begins, where the various factions of wingnut start to pick The Donald apart for every perceived slight, until nobody wants to vote for him anymore.

2
Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:53:17pm

Can’t shake the weird thought that Trump is the least insane, least bullshit-ridden, of all the TPGOP offerings.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:54:44pm

Trump speech word cloud:


washingtonpost.com
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thedopefishlives  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:55:23pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

Can’t shake the weird thought that Trump is the least insane, least bullshit-ridden, of all the TPGOP offerings.

Which is incredibly frightening, considering how utterly crazy he is.

5
Belafon  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:55:33pm

I wonder what Republicans will do when Trump takes the Bible from Roberts’ hands, holds it above his head and says “I am the king.”

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:00pm

re: #4 thedopefishlives

Yup.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:19pm

re: #3 jaunte

Trump speech word cloud:

Embedded Image

washingtonpost.com

No freedom. No liberty. This is very bad.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:26pm

There’s too many alpha males on the RWNJ side.

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makeitstop  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:38pm

re: #1 thedopefishlives

And so it begins, where the various factions of wingnut start to pick The Donald apart for every perceived slight, until nobody wants to vote for him anymore.

Do you think they could swarm him until he just says ‘Fuck it’ and goes third-party? Or is he so stubborn that he’ll stay with the GOP just to piss people off?

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thedopefishlives  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:56:39pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

No freedom. No liberty. This is very bad.

Doubleplus ungood.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:57:15pm

re: #5 Belafon

Their collective jaws will drop and then they will yell impeach him.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:58:23pm

re: #3 jaunte

Trump speech word cloud:

Embedded Image

washingtonpost.com

Too bad they left out “I” and “me”. They’d eclipse all others.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:58:28pm

re: #9 makeitstop

Do you think they could swarm him until he just says ‘Fuck it’ and goes third-party? Or is he so stubborn that he’ll stay with the GOP just to piss people off?

He’s in it for the billionaire LoLs.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 6:59:33pm

re: #12 WhatEVs

I-me-mine… and “overrated.”

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Varek Raith  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:00:27pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

No freedom. No liberty. This is very bad.

CHINA.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:00:45pm

re: #14 jaunte

I-me-mine… and “overrated.”

Let’s add dummy and moron.

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Viscous Obama  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:02:13pm

Bush made the world safe for the word Freedom

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EPR-radar  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:04:20pm

This NRO piece betrays the central obsession of the ‘moderate’ GOPer: how to pretend that the GOP is something other than the landfill fire that it is.

The NRO et al. have spent decades tossing shit, crude oil and incendiaries into said landfill and are now acting surprised that offal like Trump can rise to the top of their degenerate party primary.

This kind of intra-party feuding couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of raging assholes.

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Varek Raith  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:05:18pm

re: #18 EPR-radar

This NRO piece betrays the central obsession of the ‘moderate’ GOPer: how to pretend that the GOP is something other than the landfill fire that it is.

The NRO et al. have spent decades tossing shit, crude oil and incendiaries into said landfill and are now acting surprised that offal like Trump can rise to the top of their degenerate party primary.

This kind of intra-party feuding couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of raging assholes.

I’ve seen rocks with more self awareness than the GOP establishment.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:05:54pm

re: #17 Viscous Obama

Braveheart - Freedom

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:06:45pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

No freedom. No liberty. This is very bad.

I don’t see YOOGE (or even huge) on there.

No “me” and “I”

No “dummy” and no “loser”

I’m calling bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:08:12pm

Mike Watt - Liberty Calls!

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Varek Raith  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:09:00pm

It still boggles my mind that they didn’t see this coming.
They built this monster and it turned on them.
e_e

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:09:54pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

It still boggles my mind that they didn’t see this coming.
They built this monster and it turned on them.
e_e

Should have read her book, or at least seen the Karloff movie.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:14:00pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

Can’t shake the weird thought that Trump is the least insane, least bullshit-ridden, of all the TPGOP offerings.

strange but true:

- doesn’t continually insist that lowering taxes for rich people and eradicating worker protection will solve all humanity’s ills

- doesn’t rant on and on about the war against christians, men, white people, or rush to the side of god-mongerers like kim davis

- actually castigates republicans for their plans to get rid of or castrate ss and medicare and medicaid

on the other hand:

- continually insists that massive protectionism will solve all of our economic and geopolitical problems

- doesn’t hesitate to stir up the yahoos, especially racists, even though he isn’t one himself

- is fixated on the fucking WALL

- has no other concrete policy positions of any kind

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:16:48pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

It still boggles my mind that they didn’t see this coming.
They built this monster and it turned on them.
e_e

Sounds like that needs the Fosse treatment….

Big Spender

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bratwurst  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:18:40pm

No, they should just let anyone shit all over their art.

Give me a fucking break. ENOUGH WITH THE HOT TAKES ALREADY.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:19:16pm

re: #27 bratwurst

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No, they should just let anyone shit all over their art.

Give me a fucking break. ENOUGH WITH THE HOT TAKES ALREADY.

Hey, man, liberal musicians just gotta get, like, paid.

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nines09  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:19:50pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

Can’t shake the weird thought that Trump is the least insane, least bullshit-ridden, of all the TPGOP offerings.

Trump is the consummate grifter. He’s worked the con for so long and so well that it’s just natural to him. He’s worked that 3 card monte con on just about every walk of life and he’s, as he would tell you, a Celebrity! He’s a snake oil salesman and he’s hijacked the garden the GOP worked so hard to fertilize and harvest. He’s a connoisseur of bullshit. The GOP is shitting their collective pants. So he signed a deal not to run a 3rd party campaign? That’s a good one. Not worth the paper it’s printed on.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:20:15pm

re: #27 bratwurst

Maybe conservative rock stars should write more inspiring tunes.

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Decatur Deb  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:21:27pm

re: #27 bratwurst

From R.E.M. to Springsteen, liberal rockstars shouldn’t let politics polarize our music. on.tnr.com

snip..

Ain’t your fuckn’ music, tightass.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:23:45pm

re: #27 bratwurst

More Kumbaya moments from TNR.

There’s a distinct trend among a particular crowd of north-east intelligentsia who feel uncomfortable for calling out the wingnuts for their wingnuttia. They show up at the same parties as the Martha Vineyard Republicans so I suppose they don’t want to upset the catered-party market up there.

Those of us out in the masses have no largess upon which to fall back upon.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:25:06pm

Unfuckingreal.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:25:34pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:27:38pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Unfuckingreal.

[Embedded content]

“faggalicious”

gagglicious

In the same way that some racists whitesplain that a person can be black and not be a [n-word] or be white and still be a [n-word]

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EPR-radar  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:28:32pm

re: #29 nines09

Trump is the consummate grifter. He’s worked the con for so long and so well that it’s just natural to him. He’s worked that 3 card monte con on just about every walk of life and he’s, as he would tell you, a Celebrity! He’s a snake oil salesman and he’s hijacked the garden the GOP worked so hard to fertilize and harvest. He’s a connoisseur of bullshit. The GOP is shitting their collective pants. So he signed a deal not to run a 3rd party campaign? That’s a good one. Not worth the paper it’s printed on.

Everything about Trump’s campaign so far can be explained as Trump telling a pack of lies to fools that want to believe the lies (especially if coming from a famous rich asshole).

It remains to be seen if this will suffice to win in the general election (I think he’s pretty much got the GOP nomination in the bag).

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:29:05pm

re: #30 jaunte

Maybe conservative rock stars should write more inspiring tunes.

What, “Jailbait” by the Nuge isn’t inspiring?

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:29:06pm
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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:29:51pm

re: #27 bratwurst

I am reminded why I only have laughter and derision for The New Republic anymore.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:31:13pm

HAHAHAHA YAAASSS!!! I triggered the @RedScareBot

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:35:22pm

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:35:26pm
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EPR-radar  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:38:10pm

re: #39 William Lewis

I am reminded why I only have laughter and derision for The New Republic anymore.

That article is the epitome of spinelessness. The simple truth of the matter is that these days it is pretty much impossible for a civilized person to justify voting GOP in a contested general election.

It is unhelpful for spineless centrist/liberal squishes to try to gloss over this fact. Anecdotes about Chris Christie’s being a big fan of Bruce Springsteen cut no ice with me when Christie and his party are busy screwing everything up.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:38:20pm
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stpaulbear  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:41:21pm
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thedopefishlives  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:42:46pm

re: #41 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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Joe Bacon  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:45:09pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Unfuckingreal.

[Embedded content]

Charles, that boy is a bunch of popcorn and peanut clusters short of a Cracker Jack box!

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Joe Bacon  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:46:59pm

re: #27 bratwurst

[Embedded content]

No, they should just let anyone shit all over their art.

Give me a fucking break. ENOUGH WITH THE HOT TAKES ALREADY.

Will someone finally pull the plug on the New Republic?

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EPR-radar  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:47:05pm

re: #47 Joe Bacon

Charles, that boy is a bunch of popcorn and peanut clusters short of a Cracker Jack box!

‘Ten pounds of nuts in a five pound bag’ is probably my favorite phrase along these lines, and certainly applies to CCJ.

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jaunte  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:47:51pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

“Hey, these aren’t nuts!!!”

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:50:53pm
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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:53:03pm

So I saw my priest today and towards the end our our meeting I told him about the news about H. Naledi announced today. We had a great discussion on that and how important evolution is to understanding all of God and creation.

He also got a laugh out of my idea to get a bumpersticker saying “Adam was an Australopithecus” and mentioned an older vehicle of his had one saying “Reunite Gondwana!”

Pity there are so few in this little town who would appreciate, much less understand, the joke.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:56:25pm
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KGxvi  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:58:49pm

I kind of want to see Trump win the nomination and then completely change his position on everything. Like the heel wrestler who pretends to be a babyface only to turn heel on his partner at the ppv.

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allegro  Sep 10, 2015 • 7:58:56pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

‘Ten pounds of nuts in a five pound bag’ is probably my favorite phrase along these lines, and certainly applies to CCJ.

My dad called that a “blivet” - 5 pounds of shit in a 2 pound bag. Might have been a Boston thing.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:02:45pm

This was on the radio just now: True Faith by New Order. There’s a small list of songs from the 80s (my teens were in that decade) that I listen to, and this is one of them:

New Order - True Faith (1987) [OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO]

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:03:46pm

re: #49 EPR-radar

‘Ten pounds of nuts in a five pound bag’ is probably my favorite phrase along these lines, and certainly applies to CCJ.

Video

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:04:24pm

Why do Republicans steal the work of job-creating liberal rock stars? Said rock stars have created more jobs than the Republican party ever has.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:08:29pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

No freedom. No liberty. This is very bad.

I don’t see Obama in there, either.

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PhillyPretzel  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:09:10pm

re: #41 klys (maker of Silmarils)

So very true.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:14:33pm

re: #59 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Where is BENGHAZI!!

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:17:14pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Unfuckingreal.

[Embedded content]

UpChuck invokes the names of William F. Buckley and DeRay Mckesson, yet he knows neither man, nor does he know himself.

Hey, Chucko. its called ‘maturity’! Buckley was a real man and Mckesson is one now. You’re just a grown-up child.

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:17:52pm

Charles?

The up, down ding and other right hand buttons are missing. I refreshed the page and they’re still missing.

Chrome Version 45.0.2454.85 (64-bit) on Ubuntu 12.01

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:18:26pm

re: #61 freetoken

Where is BENGHAZI!!

Or emails, or server?

It’s interesting to note that Trump, AFAIK, has not attacked or denigrated Obama by name at all, and his criticism of HRC has been comparatively mild.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:19:06pm

re: #59 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I don’t see Obama in there, either.

But Obama’s not running next year, so not bringing him up is OK.

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:19:41pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

UpChuck invokes the names of William F. Buckley and DeRay Mckesson, yet he knows neither man, nor does he know himself.

Hey, Chucko. its called ‘maturity’! Buckley was a real man and Mckesson is one now. You’re just a grown-up physically large child.

FTFY.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:21:34pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

But Obama’s not running next year, so not bringing him up is OK.

Then why are some GOP candidates and boosters doing it? They act like Obama is running for a third term.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:23:43pm

re: #64 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Or emails, or server?

It’s interesting to note that Trump, AFAIK, has not attacked or denigrated Obama by name at all, and his criticism of HRC has been comparatively mild.

The emails? I’ve got something for you on that matter. Don’t worry, it doesn’t link to NRO.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:24:40pm

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Then why are some GOP candidates and boosters doing it? They act like Obama is running for a third term.

What those others do is a separate question from what Trump does.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:30:18pm

Charles, I’m on my iPhone and Private Messages won’t display and the New Comment button just spins. FYI.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:31:31pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

What those others do is a separate question from what Trump does.

{Sigh}

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:32:27pm

Off to work. I’ll get to see how Android messes the buttons up! Yeah!

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:33:29pm

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

{Sigh}

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:34:06pm

re: #71 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

{Sigh}

There are many matters to talk about WD, and sometimes i have to limit a conversation to keep it from going off on a tangent that I’m not really ready to explore.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:35:00pm

re: #51 teleskiguy

JERK STORE. I’M GOING WITH JERK STORE!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:35:27pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

There are many matters to talk about WD, and sometimes i have to limit a conversation to keep it from going off on a tangent that I’m not really ready to explore.

The only time you get to really control both sides of the conversation, complete with reactions, is when you are an author writing dialogue for your characters.

Just going to point that out.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:35:45pm

re: #70 WhatEVs

I had to close the page and open up LGF on a new one.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:37:51pm

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Then why are some GOP candidates and boosters doing it? They act like Obama is running for a third term.

All the GOP emails I get are “Clinton Obama… (Fuck dogs @midnight, or whatever other weird shit they say). Barack Obama doesn’t exist. He’s now Clinton Obama (I guess I’ll call him Clint).

Fucking republicans are insane.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:38:08pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

There are many matters to talk about WD, and sometimes i have to limit a conversation to keep it from going off on a tangent that I’m not really ready to explore.

And I feel no need to explain my {Sigh} remark, because it would be an exercise in futility.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:38:19pm

I don’t know why some of you are having these strange problems, sorry. I’m posting this with my iPhone and everything seems to be working fine.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:40:02pm

re: #78 WhatEVs

All the GOP emails I get are “Clinton Obama… (Fuck dogs @midnight, or whatever other weird shit they say). Barack Obama doesn’t exist. He’s now Clinton Obama (I guess I’ll call him Clint).

Fucking republicans are insane.

Clint Obama is a tall, slim black guy who mumbles his words out of the side of his mouth, is good with a gun, and makes really good movies. But sometimes, he talks to empty chairs. Old age and all.

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allegro  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:40:52pm

Joe Biden is on Colbert tonight. Think he might announce? Cool venue for that.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:41:41pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

John Schindler is completely deranged when it comes to Hillary Clinton, and on lots if other topics too. If this is supposed to be more credible than NRO, it’s not.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:44:43pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

The emails? I’ve got something for you on that matter. Don’t worry, it doesn’t link to NRO.

Right, so instead you link to John Schindler:

Remember John Schindler, the conservative talking head, retired NSA spook, and Naval War College professor who briefly went incognito after screenshots of (what appear to be) his penis leaked onto the Internet? While he has since reappeared to Twitter—where he first drew attention for defending domestic spying and criticizing Edward Snowden—he has refused to comment on the mysterious emails, sent to the Naval War College by an unnamed blogger, that prompted the school to place him on leave, and his penis under official investigation.

The emails sent to NWC, which Gawker obtained under a Freedom of Information Act request, refer to Schindler’s habit of calling himself a “spy”; detail his correspondence with an unnamed woman (who apparently received his penis photo); and, in a lengthy missive, accuse Schindler of staging “cyber warfare” against his online enemies, using “thuggish tactics” to silence NSA critics, and violating various federal laws.

Each of the messages is heavily redacted, and the identities of their senders obscured, due to the ongoing investigation into Schindler’s conduct. But the last email is detailed (and nutty) enough to earn a closer reading, so we’ve embedded it below. You can read the rest here. Let us know if anything sticks out.

blackbag.gawker.com

#epicfail

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:44:44pm

Please note that if you’re trying to use LGF with Javascript turned off, you’re going to have problems. It’s no longer really feasible to support browsers that aren’t using Javascript; too many things in our code depend on it now.

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Great White Snark  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:46:01pm

Drive by-So saw the first real hack attack happen up close at a site I care for and help admin. Yikes. The details are a little beyond me but in just seconds a few GET requests and a nasty payload tried to put in hostile content. I happened to catch it as it started, and with some fast expert help it got thwarted.

Point is I realize I have been incautious online. That’s gonna change albeit a step at a time.Insofar as I can what with personal and professional YT channels. Public spokesman/rep for a small company trying to grow with online tools. Involved at executive level in a controversial sport. One rife with folks that don’t appreciate a far more moderate view.

Well I’m am who I am. Just gonna take more sensible steps to inhibit troublemakers. Bottom line is lesson learned.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:46:56pm

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:47:04pm

Oh… I think I hear distant thunder… let us hope.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:47:46pm

re: #78 WhatEVs

I notice that your comments are being posted with our non-Javascript PHP code. I see you’re using Firefox - do you have Javascript disabled, or are you using something that blocks it?

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:51:06pm

And my new patio furniture & accessories arrive tomorrow. Wheeeee. All good.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:51:20pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

I notice that your comments are being posted with our non-Javascript PHP code. I see you’re using FIrefox - do you have Javascript disabled, or are you using something that blocks it?

Hey, Charles, did figure out the unicode errors solution finally. Some of us were seeing & codes and weird symbols inside Twitter grabs, but now it seems OK.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:51:24pm

re: #87 #CampaignZero

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:52:06pm

re: #91 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:52:29pm

re: #67 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Then why are some GOP candidates and boosters doing it? They act like Obama is running for a third term.

Hell, they’re still running against Jimmy Carter. Obama, Carter, Bill Clinton, are only symbols to them - just like Muslims, people of color, and those mired in generational poverty. It makes no difference to the GOP; they’re all the enemy so they’re all the same.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:59:10pm

Sigh. I guess nobody wants to answer my tech questions tonight.

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Belafon  Sep 10, 2015 • 8:59:43pm

I think work has Javascript completely turned off, so I’ll have very minimal functionality on this site. They’re also running IE9.

The things that make the site really hard to use in this situation is I cannot use any buttons other than the sign-on button. Every other button, including posting a comment, takes me back to the home page.

At some point, I’ll switch jobs, and site this as a reason.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:01:14pm

NRO seems to be digesting itself in its own intestinal secretions, as we see from the comments in this article of their today:

Trump’s White-Nationalist Fans Discredit His Candidacy

A sample comment:

david • an hour ago
this is the lowest of the low. i did think nro wouldnt go here. any issue or movement on the right is certain to be tarred and discredited along these lines from the left, and now it’s the cowards and jerks at nro, and yes tuttle, you are a jerk, throwing this at trump and his supporters. what you have just said toward trump and his supporters is lower and fouler than everything donald trump has said in his lifetime. you are despicable and this publication, national review online, has disgraced itself in a way that cannot be fixed. most of us visit this site these days almost exclusively to read andy mccarthy. he’s the only intelligent person left on the staff. you drove steyn and derbyshire off and the rest of the clowns are one trick ponies. useless chamber of commerce, have a drink at the club in the khakis twits. look at YOUR faces nro, why would anyone ever read this trash again. im gone.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:02:23pm

re: #96 Belafon

I think work has Javascript completely turned off, so I’ll have very minimal functionality on this site. They’re also running IE9.

The things that make the site really hard to use in this situation is I cannot use any buttons other than the sign-on button. Every other button, including posting a comment, takes me back to the home page.

At some point, I’ll switch jobs, and site this as a reason.

There’s no reason at all to have Javascript turned off any more. There was a time when it had security issues, but those days are long gone.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:02:31pm

re: #94 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Hell, they’re still running against Jimmy Carter. Obama, Carter, Bill Clinton, are only symbols to them - just like Muslims, people of color, and those mired in generational poverty. It makes no difference to the GOP; they’re all the enemy so they’re all the same.

You left out FDR and the New Deal, and LBJ and the CRA, too.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:02:45pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

I notice that your comments are being posted with our non-Javascript PHP code. I see you’re using Firefox - do you have Javascript disabled, or are you using something that blocks it?

When I’m on a computer, I have js turned off. But I never have problems with LGF on Firefox.

I’m on my iPhone now and I just got back in. Everything I touched took me to the main page. I just tried an upding and it spun. I don’t know if it stopped spinning. We’ll see if this posts.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:03:38pm

The only real problem I currently have with LGF code is that the embedded mp3s don’t play. That started a couple of months ago.

Oh, and in spy mode the Youtube videos are not sized according to the comment box, but are too large.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:03:57pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

The emails? I’ve got something for you on that matter. Don’t worry, it doesn’t link to NRO.

Remember when John Schindler got in trouble for transmitting pictures of his limp dick to the wimmins? That was awesome.

Schindler may have had some secrets of his own leak out in the open. Late Sunday, a Twitter user published several pics of emails and texts purportedly from Schindler to a female conservative tweeter. He “was involved in some sort of flirty, lurid exchange of emails and texts with a Twitter user named @currahee88,” a longtime Twitter follower of the professor’s says. “In one screencapped exchange, he sent her a picture of his mostly flaccid penis.”

So yeah, please, let’s do have some more hot takes from that guy about Hillary’s so called inappropriate use of email.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:04:57pm

re: #100 WhatEVs

Ok. That posted. Upding a worked and I private comments opened.

I don’t know what that was about but I couldn’t get back into the thread for maybe 15 minutes.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:05:25pm

re: #100 WhatEVs

When I’m on a computer, I have js turned off. But I never have problems with LGF on Firefox.

I’m on my iPhone now and I just got back in. Everything I touched took me to the main page. I just tried an upding and it spun. I don’t know if it stopped spinning. We’ll see if this posts.

These are all symptoms of Javascript being blocked. And I just checked the log - your comment was posted through our non-Javascript PHP fallback code again. There’s no problem on this end - something is preventing our Javascript code from working on your end.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:05:53pm

re: #92 teleskiguy

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:07:16pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

These are all symptoms of Javascript being blocked. And I just checked the log - your comment was posted through our non-Javascript PHP fallback code again. There’s no problem on this end - something is preventing our Javascript code from working on your end.

On an iPhone? I have no malware or antivirus on this thing. It’s stock (not unlocked). I’ve used this same phone here for a couple of years now.

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allegro  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:07:49pm

Wow. Thus far Colbert’s interview of Biden is unlike any I’ve ever seen on late night interview shows.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:04pm

And private comments are spinning again. Ima gonna boot this thing.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:09pm

re: #102 goddamnedfrank

Remember when John Schindler got in trouble for transmitting pictures of his limp dick to the wimmins? That was awesome.

So yeah, please, let’s do have some more hot takes from that guy about Hillary’s so called inappropriate use of email.

I unfollowed Schindler a while back, because he stopped pretending to be even-handed and let his crazy right wing freak flag fly.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:09pm

re: #99 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You left out FDR and the New Deal, and LBJ and the CRA, too.

The road goes ever onward.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:25pm

Typical self-delusion among the racialist right:

minniver cheevey • an hour ago
I have beaten the crap out of Stormfronters on the internet for almost 15 years.

I have torn new assholes in anti-semites peddling USS Liberty garbage and Rothschild central bank weirdo conspiracies.

I have actually chased human debris like that from entire forums.

I mostly despise Trump and fervently pray he never becomes president.

I have thrashed his ridiculous perfervid followers everywhere.

I am extremely disappointed with Ann Coulter, whom i have greatly admired., for her uncritical devotion to Trump.

Having said the above, i have a serious question for NR:

WHY is it an unspeakable crime to express pride in one’s European heritage in America today, even in supposedly anti-pc National Review?

The peoples whose original homeland extended extended from the Urals to Lisbon, from Trondheim to Malta, have been, over the past 1000 years, the most creative, energetic, brilliant, accomplished, valorous people on the planet, even if we are in steep cultural and spiritual decline now.

WHY is it wrong to express great pride in that, to want to preserve and celebrate it, to want to transmit it intact to our children and our descendants beyond them? Why is it ‘extreme’ and immoral to want to protect it from being swamped and overwhelmed by those with far different values? And i don’t mean Chinese, Japanese, or South Asians here, because they are the inheritors of great ancient civilizations too, but i mean the turbulent, chaotic mass of illiterate peoples from south of the border and the muslim world.

Where do YOU live, o writers and editors of the NRO? In America’s new and growing barrios?

I’m thinking NOT.

And that can be said for the writers and editors of the NYT, the WaPo, Harper’s, The New Republic and Salon.

You form communities with people who share your background, education and values. You live in The Hamptons, the Upper West Side, Newport Rhode Island, Martha’s Vineyard.

So WHY do you begrudge us lesser beings from doing the same?

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He’s “beaten the crap out of Stormfront” - yeah, right.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:08:36pm

I mean, say what you will about Anthony Weiner (obligatory “hahaha weener”) at least he has the self awareness not to comment on the propriety of other people’s use of electronic correspondence.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:09:29pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

I unfollowed Schindler a while back, because he stopped pretending to be even-handed and let his crazy right wing freak flag fly.

Why not? That’s where the money is, as long as you’re cool with not having a conscience.

That’s why I like this place: you chose a conscience, and good people hang out here as a result.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:10:44pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I mean, say what you will about Anthony Weiner (obligatory “hahaha weener”) at least he has the self awareness not to comment on the propriety of other people’s use of electronic correspondence.

Yeah, I forgive dick pics. To each his own, bummer you were caught.

But do not preach.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:10:58pm

re: #111 freetoken

Typical self-delusion among the racialist right:

He’s “beaten the crap out of Stormfront” - yeah, right.

Because he’s way better than they are!

Except Euro-whites are the shiznit, so Stormfront gets that part right. //

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:11:35pm

re: #105 #CampaignZero

Fucked up my numbers. My mind is kinda toast.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:11:56pm

re: #105 #CampaignZero

Both of the recent high-profile death penalty cases in Colorado had a twelfth juror. In Colorado death penalty cases the jury decides the penalty and it must be unanimous. In both of these cases there was one juror who said “No, we can’t kill this despicable murderer.”

I won’t be surprised if the death penalty goes to a public vote in Colorado in the next general election. It should happen.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:11:59pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

I mean, say what you will about Anthony Weiner (obligatory “hahaha weener”) at least he has the self awareness not to comment on the propriety of other people’s use of electronic correspondence.

It’s much worse to place Top Secret signals intel. on an non-secure server than it is to send a picture of one’s penis.

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:12:28pm

I think I just heard some derp echoing.

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Charles Johnson  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:13:06pm

re: #111 freetoken

Typical self-delusion among the racialist right:

He’s “beaten the crap out of Stormfront” - yeah, right.

For some weird reason, white supremacists often lie about being white supremacists, even as they’re spewing white supremacist crap all over the place. I don’t know if they think they’re fooling other people or if they’re just that deranged and disconnected from reality. Doesn’t really matter though. Bottom line is that these are sick people.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:13:18pm

re: #119 klys (maker of Silmarils)

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It's on his hat!  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:16:33pm

re: #56 Belafon

This was on the radio just now: True Faith by New Order. There’s a small list of songs from the 80s (my teens were in that decade) that I listen to, and this is one of them:

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My very favorite New Order song.

That video is fucking weird, though.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:16:45pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

It’s the same basic process displayed by creationists when they feign defending science against the “evolutionists”. It makes absolutely no sense at all, but somehow in a mind twisted up into teleological knots they are defenders of truth.

This sort of so-obvious form of lying is fascinating, in a way. It just goes to show how we humans are prone to really fooling ourselves first, when we need to for some deep unresolved emotional need.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:16:50pm

re: #117 teleskiguy

Both of the recent high-profile death penalty cases in Colorado had a twelfth juror. In Colorado death penalty cases the jury decides the penalty and it must be unanimous. In both of these cases there was one juror who said “No, we can’t kill this despicable murderer.”

I won’t be surprised if the death penalty goes to a public vote in Colorado in the next general election. It should happen.

I believe completely in the 12th juror. If one person in the group of 12 disagrees, within the law, well then that is it. That’s how the system should work. My 12th was disregarding the law & going with “heart”

Public vote, as in abolish death penalty?

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:18:00pm

re: #124 #CampaignZero

Public vote, as in abolish death penalty?

Yes, precisely.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:19:48pm

re: #97 freetoken

NRO seems to be digesting itself in its own intestinal secretions, as we see from the comments in this article of their today:

Trump’s White-Nationalist Fans Discredit His Candidacy

A sample comment:

And what is Ian Tuttle supposed to do? Not fight Trump? He’s not management and isn’t responsible for what Derbyshire did.

‘Conservative’ ≠ ‘White Nationalist’ and liberals should not want those two terms to be one and the same, either.

And lastly, Tuttle isn’t wrong. Donald Trump is indeed discredited by being so loved by white nationalists.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:23:21pm

re: #109 Charles Johnson

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:23:56pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

For some weird reason, white supremacists often lie about being white supremacists, even as they’re spewing white supremacist crap all over the place. I don’t know if they think they’re fooling other people or if they’re just that deranged and disconnected from reality. Doesn’t really matter though. Bottom line is that these are sick people.

They hide behind “Europeans have done great stuff, so why can’t I be proud of that?” shtick. The subtext is much the same as white supremacism, though. By boasting about European accomplishments — which would include the subjugation of large non-white populations across the globe — these Euro-white boosters are essentially saying everyone else is inferior, even as they say China, for example, has a rich and important history.

I mean I’m a white guy with Euro ancestry, but that’s not my self-identity. It’s not something I want to rub other people’s noses in, especially considering my current location, y’know? it’s just not that important to me. The present and the future are my focus, not the past.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:24:50pm

re: #125 teleskiguy

Yes, precisely.

Legit.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:26:36pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

And what is Ian Tuttle supposed to do? Not fight Trump? He’s not management and isn’t responsible for what Derbyshire did.

‘Conservative’ ≠ ‘White Nationalist’ and liberals should not want those two terms to be one and the same, either.

And lastly, Tuttle isn’t wrong. Donald Trump is indeed discredited by being so loved by white nationalists.

We don’t. But when the conservatives step close, we have to call them out.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:27:28pm

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I mean I’m a white guy with Euro ancestry, but that’s not my self-identity. It’s not something I want to rub other people’s noses in, especially considering my current location, y’know? it’s just not that important to me. The present and the future are my focus, not the past.

QFT

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#CampaignZero  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:29:56pm

Sweet dreams LGF. Me eyes can’t stay open.

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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:35:38pm

I’m still waiting for evidence that any “top secret intel” was sent from her “non-secure server”.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:38:08pm

re: #133 Jenner7

I’m still waiting for evidence that any “top secret intel” was sent from her “non-secure server”.

You’ll be waiting a long time. Hillary is not an idiot. But I know the wingnut buzzards circling overhead are hoping something will turn up.

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ipsos  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:39:47pm

If you’re skeptical about the humanity of any politicians in this crazy world, PLEASE watch the interview Colbert did with Joe Biden on the Late Show tonight.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:40:12pm

re: #133 Jenner7

I’m still waiting for evidence that any “top secret intel” was sent from her “non-secure server”.

I was going to say that but…I give up.

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:44:24pm

re: #135 ipsos

If you’re skeptical about the humanity of any politicians in this crazy world, PLEASE watch the interview Colbert did with Joe Biden on the Late Show tonight.

Please share your thoughts. I didn’t watch it.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:44:35pm

That NRO article I linked above is such a theatre of clowns. The comments illustrate the reality of “conservatism” in 2015.

Put simply, “conservative” has been used so long as a cover word for xenophobes and racists, that the more academic economists who also like to call themselves “conservatives” now find they can’t rid them of the stench of the former.

Buckley, Nixon, … all that crowd have brought this about.

I don’t think anything of Trump other than he is an obnoxious reality-TV star and a businessman whose “success” is only possible in the current American landscape of legal gymnasiums which allow really good conmen to get money out of naive investors without negative consequence.

Still, Trump has become a tuning fork for the orchestra of American politics. Those now in tune with him are a motley crowd of nationalistic common-folk who for some reason feel aggrieved by the institutional politicians.

Trying to get the big names at NRO (like Goldberg) to own up to the fact that the racists have been there all the time because Buckley designed his coalition around the pre-1965 Civil Rights movement old-boy network … is going to be impossible. It would take too much self evaluation and honesty.

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ipsos  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:46:34pm

re: #137 WhatEVs

The interview focused heavily on Biden’s grief over Beau’s death. Stephen got very personal about his own grief over the death of his father and two brothers in a plane crash when he was young. Not at all your usual politician guest spot.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:46:45pm

Why are people still pretending that the official state.gov email servers were secure, like at all?

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:47:21pm

re: #134 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

You’ll be waiting a long time. Hillary is not an idiot. But I know the wingnut buzzards circling overhead are hoping something will turn up.

One of ‘em is a Lizard!

We still luv ya Dark_Falcon!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:50:35pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

Why are people still pretending that the official state.gov email servers were secure, like at all?

Hell, I’m pretty sure Hillary did the country a fucking favor keeping that shit on her private network. And since nothing about it was illegal when she was doing it the entire outrage is a cynical spectacle devoid of any real cause of concern.

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EmmaAnne  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:51:16pm

re: #15 Varek Raith

CHINA.

MONEY

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:53:19pm

Such delusions…

Okie PaulinMadison • 3 hours ago
Trump is only like Mussolini in his calls for a renewed nation, renewed national unity and pride, and calls to get tough on those who take advantage of us. So he takes what was good about Mussolini but that’s as far as it goes.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:54:00pm

re: #144 freetoken

Such delusions…

But, can he make the trains run on time? /

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:00pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

Why are people still pretending that the official state.gov email servers were secure, like at all?

Because if they acknowledge that keeping the emails on a State Department server would not have made them any more secure, perhaps even less secure in light of recent hacks of US government servers, then the “scandal” collapses under its own weight. They have to keep alive the idea that she jeopardized national security in order to hide secrets from us, the American people, because this “scandal” is really the remaining support holding up “Benghazigate.” Without it, they’re left trying to scare people with things like “The Great Penis Hunt” and “Travelgate.”

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:01pm

re: #139 ipsos

The interview focused heavily on Biden’s grief over Beau’s death. Stephen got very personal about his own grief over the death of his father and two brothers in a plane crash when he was young. Not at all your usual politician guest spot.

I’m sorry I missed it. I’ll watch for video. Thank you!

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:19pm

re: #143 EmmaAnne

MONEY

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:55:41pm

re: #144 freetoken

Such delusions…

What was good about Mussolini was how he ended up

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:56:17pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

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CHA-AINAAA!

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 9:57:57pm

re: #148 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:10:34pm

Here’s something I didn’t know until I saw a tweet on Twitter. Nikita Khrushchev died on 11 September.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:11:32pm

Well, that was a mistake. Yahoo’s front page had Jen Rubin’s latest missive, namely her declaration that Senate Democrats were committing a mistake by filibustering the vote to disapprove of the Iran nuclear agreement. She’s not only confident that the GOP is set to come out of this ahead, but she’s also engaged in historical revisionism by portraying Democrats as the losers of the government shutdown two years ago.

In other words, WAPO’s diversity hire continues to demonstrate just how much of a joke she really is.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:12:59pm
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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:18:12pm

Here are a couple of nice, polite racists who don’t get their comments deleted at NRO:

Kurlis • 3 hours ago
What the hell is a “white nationalist”? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one.
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three fingers Kurlis • 3 hours ago
White nationalists are people who agree with the founding fathers and realize that America is a country for Whites.

See:
1790 Naturalization Act
Preamble to the Constitution (“ourselves and our posterity”)
Federalist 2
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redandright three fingers • 3 hours ago
Are you suggesting that African Americans are less American than you because of the way they vote or the color of their skin?
Another poster proving Tuttle’s point.
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Gates of Hell redandright • 3 hours ago
Do most of them hold American values like hard work, honesty, and self reliance? Hardly.
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Jenner7  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:20:06pm

Wow, that Joe Biden interview. Man. Tears. Our Vice President is a really good man.

And with that, it’s my bed time. G’night.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:23:00pm

re: #155 freetoken

Anyone who doesn’t think the GOP has become the white nationalist party is lying to themselves

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:25:06pm

re: #157 Kragar

Anyone who doesn’t think the GOP has become the white nationalist party is lying to themselves

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:25:54pm

re: #155 freetoken

Here are a couple of nice, polite racists who don’t get their comments deleted at NRO:

So, the Founding Fathers created this country for white people? I never knew. Then how do we explain all the non-white people they let in?

This kind of reasoning leaves me dumbfounded. It’s like saying Henry Ford created a company to make cars only for people like him.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:28:14pm

It’s pretty clear from the NRO comment stream what is really going on:

Fashy Planter • 8 minutes ago
VDare is more a more interesting and thought provoking site than NRO these days. Yall should have purged all these cucks instead of Derb.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:31:53pm

re: #160 freetoken

I’m almost sure we’re witnessing something that happens in United States politics practically *never*, the collapse of a political party.

I hope I’m wrong, I also I hope I’m right!

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:36:04pm

9/11 remains a tragic day on this 42nd anniversary of the US backed coup that replaced the lawfully and democratically elected government of Chile with a murderous right wing dictatorship.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:36:40pm

Fine. I don’t need you.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:41:26pm

re: #163 Chan Kobun

The only thing that will root out the WN base of the right is death. Either they try to rise up and we execute them

What the fuck?!? What is this bullshit?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:43:45pm

re: #161 teleskiguy

I’m almost sure we’re witnessing something that happens in United States politics practically *never*, the collapse of a political party.

I hope I’m wrong, I also I hope I’m right!

Trump is the wild card. He’s the only GOP candidate people are paying attention to, because he’s saying what most voters think are the key issues. The other 32 (or whatever the number is) candidates all sounded the same, said the same things, and mostly focused on social issues that, frankly, most Americans are mostly indifferent to. He’s also pulled out in to the open the racist, nativist and sexist tendencies of the GOP base. The other candidates have nowhere to go. If they denounce Trump’s racist, nativist and sexist remarks, they lose their appeal with the same base he’s sucked away from them. There is no other GOP candidate who comes even close to having Trump’s popularity or media draw.

The convention is going to be really interesting, if Trump manages to stay viable that long. He’s not the leadership’s preferred nominee. If they pick someone else, Trump could go rogue as a third party candidate, and thereby ensure the Democrats win. On the other hand, if the GOP embraces Trump, it’s admitting it’s the party of disaffected white racist, sexist and nativist males — no others need apply for membership.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:44:02pm

re: #164 teleskiguy

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:45:42pm

re: #164 teleskiguy

So you’ve ignored the near-constant drumbeat of inevitable desire for war ont he part of WNs?

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:46:52pm

I continue to marvel at how much of a difference six months have made. I started the spring absolutely convinced that by the time the debates rolled around, Cruz would be managing some sort of lead amongst the faithful as he boasted about how he was an absolute asshole to members of both parties and was totally unapologetic about it. Instead, I got The Donald out there showing Cruz to be a noob when it comes to being a totally insufferable dickhead.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:47:15pm

re: #163 Chan Kobun

Dude, fuck you man. You were complaining about fascist tendencies around here earlier today, and now you’re advocating outright fascist ends. Fuck you, dude.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:48:11pm

Denial:

freetoken • 12 minutes ago
Tuttle discusses Trump’s appeal to white nationalists but doesn’t even touch on one of the more obvious connections - Trump’s espousing of Birtherism. This is doubly surprising given that NR was one of the few right-wing outlets to not go diving into the Birther pool.
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CKAinRedStateUSA freetoken • 11 minutes ago
NRO a right-wing outlet? Perhaps will more rest and a better diet you’ll see that it’s about as “right-wing” as Obama is.
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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:48:12pm

re: #169 teleskiguy

What’s that, you say? You want to lose your account?

Fine by me. Reported. Get out and don’t show your face here again.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:48:55pm

re: #167 Chan Kobun

So you’ve ignored the near-constant drumbeat of inevitable desire for war ont he part of WNs?

The WN are marginalized enough these days. Take a deep breath. The United States is *not* becoming Nazi Germany in front of our eyes. Fucking breathe, dude.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:49:03pm

Clean this mess up.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:50:14pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

I continue to marvel at how much of a difference six months have made. I started the spring absolutely convinced that by the time the debates rolled around, Cruz would be managing some sort of lead amongst the faithful as he boasted about how he was an absolute asshole to members of both parties and was totally unapologetic about it. Instead, I got The Donald out there showing Cruz to be a noob when it comes to being a totally insufferable dickhead.

Havana Ted has the charisma of a stuffed bell pepper. Trump is a blowhard and a putz, but you have to admit he knows how to work the crowd and the media.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:50:50pm

re: #171 Chan Kobun

What’s that, you say? You want to lose your account?

Fine by me. Reported. Get out and don’t show your face here again.

re: #173 Chan Kobun

Clean this mess up.

CAT > DOG, in this extraordinary instance
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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:51:11pm

re: #171 Chan Kobun

Umm, I don’t think that’s going to happen the way that you think.

Chill the fuck out, especially with the inciteful comments (as above), or it may end up being you on the short end of Stinky’s stick.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:51:25pm

re: #172 teleskiguy

You can deny it all you want. I’m watching my fucking family become a group of fucking bigots. I’m watching as people cheer a jackass with a lot of charisma (to assholes anyhow) as he insults everyone who isn’t just like him. I’m watching as violent, hateful rhetoric ramps upward constantly and people are fucking dying.

Ignore it all you like. These people aren’t peaceful, harmless little fringe groups - they’re the mainstream now

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:52:20pm

re: #167 Chan Kobun

So you’ve ignored the near-constant drumbeat of inevitable desire for war ont he part of WNs?

OK you’re fairly new here. Put simply, calls for violence - of any kind against anyone - are forbidden. Your post crossed that line for most long-term Lizards. Consider ways to make the same basic argument while remaining peaceful in all respects.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:52:34pm

re: #176 TedStriker
You’re on watch, too. You don’t talk to me like some fucking child. Ever. Are we clear?

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:12pm

re: #177 Chan Kobun

Like I said earlier, *fucking* breathe. In…and…out…

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:38pm

re: #179 Chan Kobun

You’re on watch, too. You don’t talk to me like some fucking child. Ever. Are we clear?

“On watch”, huh?

Get fucked.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:41pm

The next person to mischaracterize what I said as a call for violence will be personally recommended for expulsion by direct communication with Charles. I will not be libeled. Are we clear on this?

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:49pm

re: #177 Chan Kobun

You can deny it all you want. I’m watching my fucking family become a group of fucking bigots. I’m watching as people cheer a jackass with a lot of charisma (to assholes anyhow) as he insults everyone who isn’t just like him. I’m watching as violent, hateful rhetoric ramps upward constantly and people are fucking dying.

Ignore it all you like. These people aren’t peaceful, harmless little fringe groups - they’re the mainstream now

You’re using anecdotal evidence — your family — to create a generalization about the entire USA. I suspect most Americans, particularly those from the NYC area, consider Trump a sideshow act and not a serious candidate for the presidency.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:53:56pm

LOL. Somebody’s been drinking.

A lot.

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Targetpractice  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:54:32pm

re: #174 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Havana Ted has the charisma of a stuffed bell pepper. Trump is a blowhard and a putz, but you have to admit he knows how to work the crowd and the media.

Trump really is the guy that people were sure Christie would be, until he had the misfortune of hugging that black guy who happens to live in the White House instead of the white guy conservatives were sure would be taking up residence.

I’ve come to think of Trump as being this election season’s Howie Dean: Everybody talks about him because he’s a raving asshole who’s leading the polls on a wave of populism. But when the primaries actually begin, people are gonna realize “Fuck I don’t really want this guy to be president for four years,” and he’ll drop like the proverbial lead balloon. After that is when things get interesting.

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:07pm

re: #182 Chan Kobun

Who in the hell do you think you are? You’re fucking bonkers…

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:09pm

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

The fact that he isn’t being laughed off the stage is enough. And the fact that there are so many peopel who won’t call him out scares me. I’m honestly frightened.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:30pm

re: #182 Chan Kobun

The next person to mischaracterize what I said as a call for violence will be personally recommended for expulsion by direct communication with Charles. I will not be libeled. Are we clear on this?

no more methamphetamine rhetoric pls

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:30pm
Going for the tried and true approach.
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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:41pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

Trump really is the guy that people were sure Christie would be, until he had the misfortune of hugging that black guy who happens to live in the White House instead of the white guy conservatives were sure would be taking up residence.

I’ve come to think of Trump as being this election season’s Howie Dean: Everybody talks about him because he’s a raving asshole who’s leading the polls on a wave of populism. But when the primaries actually begin, people are gonna realize “Fuck I don’t really want this guy to be president for four years,” and he’ll drop like the proverbial lead balloon. After that is when things get interesting.

I suspect the same thing.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:55:45pm

re: #186 TedStriker

Free hint, you might try not taking an attitude if you’re trying to lecture someone about theirs.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:56:55pm

re: #187 Chan Kobun

If you’re frightened by me I feel sorry for you. That indicates to me a very insecure individual. I’m one of the nicest guys out there.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:57:14pm

re: #192 teleskiguy

Not you. Them.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:57:29pm

re: #189 klys (maker of Silmarils)

GANGSTA CAT!!!

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:58:07pm

re: #144 freetoken

Such delusions…

only somewhat like mussolini!

a fine recommendation

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:58:22pm

Anyway,you all don’t have to worry about this anymore - I’m done here. Not out of spite or anger, but out of respect. Too many of you are good people and I’d rather not lose that.

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:58:31pm

re: #191 Chan Kobun

Free hint, you might try not taking an attitude if you’re trying to lecture someone about theirs.

Hey, I’m not the one who said this:

The only thing that will root out the WN base of the right is death. Either they try to rise up and we execute them, as we should have the last time they dared to stand up like they were anything, or the right pushes them out and they die alone and friendless in the vast wasteland, succumbing to the pressures of a world that no longer keeps them. And the latter will never happen, because without that contingent of drooling meatsticks and hate-fed evolutionary throwbacks the right cannot win.

Who’s this “we” you’re talking about, huh?

People break the law, we put them in prison, maybe for the rest of their wretched lives; killing criminals does nothing more than satisfy a need for revenge.

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:59:16pm

I’m going to leave you all with a reminder: Don’t alienate your allies because you won’t listen.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:59:16pm

re: #193 Chan Kobun

Not you. Them.

You’re confusing tenses and setting. Were you talking about me in this comment #187 or “them?”

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Chankobun  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:59:28pm

re: #199 teleskiguy

Them.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 10:59:28pm

re: #187 Chan Kobun

The fact that he isn’t being laughed off the stage is enough. And the fact that there are so many peopel who won’t call him out scares me. I’m honestly frightened.

Well, shit, all of the GOP candidates deserve to be laughed off the stage. Yet, that ain’t happening either. We’ve still got more than a year before the generals. If Trump manages to get nominated and gains traction against the Dem nominee, THEN I’ll get worried. Meanwhile, I’m just watching with amusement how he’s totally fucked up the GOP.

BTW, calm the fuck down. OK?

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:00:51pm

Since we seem to be concerned about becoming Nazi Germany or something, on my queue happens to be this little ditty, a tune from Germany in the middle 1920’s: Madonna, du bist sch�ner als der Sonnenschein:

MP3 Audio

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:01:01pm

I love when someone comes in and starts saying whats going to happen with other people’s accounts.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:01:26pm

re: #196 Chan Kobun

Anyway,you all don’t have to worry about this anymore - I’m done here.

Don’t let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

What the fucking fuck, dude?

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:01:30pm

re: #202 freetoken

About that unicode thing….

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:02:18pm

OT.

The 404 page for the MOOC I’ve enrolled in shows a “photo” of the Loch Ness monster. It’s nice touch from a UK site.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:03:47pm

it may be that the only way out of the resurgent racism and hero worship of the strong man will be when it finally takes power and eventually crashes into reality and burns

im reminded of the orwell quote on that topic

anyway, the thing that worries me the most is the likelyhood of more trump-inspired lynchings, especially if he gets into office

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:04:59pm

I have a feeling Chankobun is an instigator, a shit stir kind of fella, one that gets pleasure somehow by being deliberately contrarian. And he’s being a fucking jackass doing it at this point in time.

Whatever. Charles, Chankobun says I should be banned. Let’s do this. Goodbye Lizards, it’s been fun!

/

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:06:59pm

re: #198 Chan Kobun

I’m going to leave you all with a reminder: Don’t alienate your allies because you won’t listen.

Oh, woe is us. ///

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:07:33pm

re: #208 teleskiguy

I have a feeling Chankobun is an instigator, a shit stir kind of fella, one that gets pleasure somehow by being deliberately contrarian. And he’s being a fucking jackass doing it at this point in time.

Whatever. Charles, Chankobun says I should be banned. Let’s do this. Goodbye Lizards, it’s been fun!

/

Hey, I’m “on watch”…can I come along too?

/

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:08:13pm

re: #207 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it may be that the only way out of the resurgent racism and hero worship of the strong man will be when it finally takes power and eventually crashes into reality and burns

im reminded of the orwell quote on that topic

anyway, the thing that worries me the most is the likelyhood of more trump-inspired lynchings, especially if he gets into office

Trump has not tapped into the Bible-thumper demographic at all, so his chances of winning the nomination or even the general election are slim, as far as I’m concerned. If he were going after the Religious Right like Cruz, Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, Walker and Carson are, then I’d be a lot more worried. Cruz scares me a lot more, because he knows what to say to win those people to his side.

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:08:23pm

re: #198 Chankobun

I’m going to leave you all with a reminder: Don’t alienate your allies because you won’t listen.

The mirror is strong for this one…

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:08:28pm

re: #200 Chan Kobun

THEM!!!!11ty

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:08:33pm

The enemy of my enemy can still be a complete fucking asshole in his own right.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:09:44pm

re: #213 TedStriker

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:09:48pm

re: #207 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

it may be that the only way out of the resurgent racism and hero worship of the strong man will be when it finally takes power and eventually crashes into reality and burns

im reminded of the orwell quote on that topic

anyway, the thing that worries me the most is the likelyhood of more trump-inspired lynchings, especially if he gets into office

Let’s just do our damnedest to make sure that doesn’t come to pass though.

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:10:42pm

…

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:03pm

re: #215 Kragar

faster than I was

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:24pm

re: #210 TedStriker

Hey, I’m “on watch”…can I come along too?

/

It’ll be an epic journey!

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William Lewis  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:29pm

re: #214 Kragar

The enemy of my enemy can still be a complete fucking asshole in his own right.

I think he’s a good reminder that the enemy of my enemy is simply my enemies enemy. No more, no less.

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:11:56pm

re: #215 Kragar

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No load here.

Edit: Weird…the pic doesn’t show in your post, but if I click on the link when I quoted you, I can.

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:12:41pm

re: #220 William Lewis

I think he’s a good reminder that the enemy of my enemy is simply my enemies enemy. No more, no less.

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Kragar  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:13:20pm

re: #221 TedStriker

No load here.

Giant ants

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:13:45pm
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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:14:17pm

re: #182 Chan Kobun

The next person to mischaracterize what I said as a call for violence will be personally recommended for expulsion by direct communication with Charles. I will not be libeled. Are we clear on this?

Dude, this sounds eerily like UpChuck.

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:15:37pm

re: #224 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

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Huh…James Arness was in it.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:15:48pm

re: #225 teleskiguy

Dude, this sounds eerily like UpChuck.

He didn’t mention a lawsuit, though.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:16:28pm

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:17:17pm

re: #227 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

He didn’t mention a lawsuit, though.

Too true. I don’t always pay attention to the minute details. OY!

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:18:32pm

re: #226 TedStriker

Huh…James Arness was in it.

Pre-Marshall Dillon days, I think.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:18:44pm

goddamnedfrank, you’re good people!

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:19:11pm

Everyone has their moment here saying regrettable shit. I’ll wait for it to become a pattern before drawing any conclusions.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:22:13pm

Want:

Hands on: iPad Pro and Apple Pencil with Adobe Sketch, iOS 9 Markup

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:23:15pm

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump has not tapped into the Bible-thumper demographic at all, so his chances of winning the nomination or even the general election are slim, as far as I’m concerned. If he were going after the Religious Right like Cruz, Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, Walker and Carson are, then I’d be a lot more worried. Cruz scares me a lot more, because he knows what to say to win those people to his side.

Veep Cruz will pick up that thumper vote slack.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:24:55pm

I’m calling it. Kobun is a CCJ sock.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:25:55pm

Heh I see Teleskiguy had a similar thought.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:27:16pm

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To be honest, I think things are going to be okay. Maybe because I read Steven Pinker’s “The Better Angels of Our Nature” recently.

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:27:24pm

re: #225 teleskiguy

Dude, this sounds eerily like UpChuck.

Charles must have gotten the Lizard-Signal, because Chankobun just got zapped; Charles Chankobun replaced his little screed at #163 with this:

Fine. I don’t need you.

I understand, sometimes people get uptight and antsy about stuff like this, but what Chankobun said originally, there’s no room for that shit in civil discourse.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:27:45pm

re: #234 WhatEVs

Veep Cruz will pick up that thumper vote slack.

Now, that idea is frightening!

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klys (maker of Silmarils)  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:28:44pm

re: #238 TedStriker

Guys, he edited his own comment.

Seriously, I think there are a number of Lizards who need to step back and disengage on this issue at this point.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:29:55pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:30:26pm

re: #233 freetoken

Want:

[Embedded content]

Badly. Really badly.

Christmas, I think. It’s not cheap.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:30:57pm

re: #241 goddamnedfrank

Done.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:31:09pm

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m calling it. Kobun is a CCJ sock.

well it certainly would be very troll like to come on with a lot of things we might be supposed to agree with and then try to get us to agree to something unacceptable

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:32:12pm

re: #211 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Trump has not tapped into the Bible-thumper demographic at all, so his chances of winning the nomination or even the general election are slim, as far as I’m concerned. If he were going after the Religious Right like Cruz, Jindal, Huckabee, Santorum, Walker and Carson are, then I’d be a lot more worried. Cruz scares me a lot more, because he knows what to say to win those people to his side.

2012 demonstrated that the Bible thumpers will come to heel. Early on there were plenty of predictions that they’d stay home rather than vote for a Mormon. This time around, there are plenty of fundies who are fed up with the GOP promising them their hearts’ desire and then not delivering. Trump may benefit from their disaffection.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:32:32pm

re: #234 WhatEVs

Veep Cruz will pick up that thumper vote slack.

urgh

cruz gives me the creepy crawlies

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:32:44pm

re: #239 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

Now, that idea is frightening!

Cruz is doing everything but blowing Trump in Time Square.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:34:18pm

I’m avoiding an aneurysm over this skirmish by doing other things.

I don’t have classes to give today, so I’m devoting some time to the MOOC I’m in. It’s about teaching English to non-speakers, offered by the British Council. There are more than 60,000 participants, and each comment stream is at least 1,500 deep. Talk about info overload! We just started week 2. I may go back through week 1’s lessons just to review the comments some more.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:34:39pm

re: #247 WhatEVs

Cruz is doing everything but blowing Trump in Time Square.

i suspect trump does not regard cruz with a tremendous amount of respect

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:35:42pm

re: #249 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i suspect trump does not regard cruz with a tremendous amount of respect

A point in his favor.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:35:57pm

Maybe Santa will bring me an iPad Pro 128 w/Pencil this Christmas?

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TedStriker  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:37:11pm

re: #240 klys (maker of Silmarils)

Guys, he edited his own comment.

Seriously, I think there are a number of Lizards who need to step back and disengage on this issue at this point.

It appears you are correct; they changed their avatar to something the size of a period, so you couldn’t easily see their info, and delinked their nick.

Hey, I’m all for giving the benefit of the doubt for newbies, but when they posted what they did, then double-down with bluff and bluster, fuck them in their ear hole.

Anyway, about to hit the rack, because I have a fun-filled weekend in Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge with the family tomorrow through Monday.

Namaste, y’all…

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WhatEVs  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:39:48pm

re: #249 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i suspect trump does not regard cruz with a tremendous amount of respect

Likely, but Trump is smart and showing he is passably politically astute.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:40:29pm

i should go to sleep but there’s onna them little airborne vampires a-whinin around the bedroom

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:41:41pm

re: #234 WhatEVs

Veep Cruz will pick up that thumper vote slack.

Trump can have almost anyone in the GOP as his Veep. There are few who would turn it down. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Cruz envisions himself as Cheney to Trump’s GWB. He’s kidding himself. Trump will choose a woman for his VP. Bet on it.

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freetoken  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:45:33pm

Trump: There is no Santa Claus! I should know, I put a golf course at the north pole and he didn’t show up!

Me: MP3 Audio

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:46:20pm

re: #247 WhatEVs

Cruz is doing everything but blowing Trump in Time Square.

He’s probably counting on the VP nod. He knows by now how genuinely off-putting he is on his own. He figures that every group that he’s alienated Trump has already alienated as well, so it won’t matter what a grotesque little taint gremlin he really is. In other words he’s hoping to be the only one left that hasn’t given Trump cause to so thoroughly insult as to make partnership completely untenable.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:48:55pm

Geez, I thought I was the jerk around here. I better step up my game.
// (or is that \?)

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palomino  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:49:24pm

re: #255 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Trump can have almost anyone in the GOP as his Veep. There are few who would turn it down. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Cruz envisions himself as Cheney to Trump’s GWB. He’s kidding himself. Trump will choose a woman for his VP. Bet on it.

There’s still a chance Trump won’t get the nod. A very good chance, since most Republicans still want to win. Tea partiers, Paulites, etc., make a lot of noise and then get beat by the Bushes and Roves of the party. I think a (small) majority of GOPers still want to do more than just vent and moan about America being too brown and not Jesus-y enough. Those cooler heads will likely prevail and realize over the course of the next 9 months that Trump is entertaining but unelectable.

On the other hand, Repubs may overestimate the amount of damage they’ve done to Hillary. In which case, their attitude may become, “Anyone we nominate will win.” At that point, there’s more possibility of Trump or one of the other totally unfit douchebags.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:53:49pm

re: #259 palomino

I ‘m betting on him going all the way to the convention. I believe that he will name a woman VP because that would throw everyone off balance, again. The first female VP would be a strong candidate to be the first woman POTUS.

I’m discounting Clinton’s chance at being first because I don’t think that she can win this one.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:53:51pm

re: #257 goddamnedfrank

I think he’s hoping to pick up Trump’s followers. Trumps negatives are so high that when he eventiually goes under, there is a big pool of wingnuts looking for a place to go. That’s down the road. Nothing much is going to happen until all these 1 and 2 percenters start dropping out and Jeb? or Cruz or whoever start picking up those free supporters.

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teleskiguy  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:53:54pm

re: #258 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Geez, I thought I was the jerk around here. I better step up my game.
// (or is that ?)

Ha Ha! Har Har!

Yes, someone was more of a stupid fuckhead than you were, talking about OafKeepers and some county jail in Kentucky.

I’m amazed, still processing it. I guess all I can do is HAHAHA!

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:57:16pm

re: #259 palomino

When it comes to the notion that the Rs believe that anybody they nominate will win, there is some merit. You have the sympathetic factors of shaky Democratic turnout and voter restriction laws.

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palomino  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:58:16pm

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I ‘m betting on him going all the way to the convention. I believe that he will name a woman VP because that would throw everyone off balance, again. The first female VP would be a strong candidate to be the first woman POTUS.

I’m discounting Clinton’s chance at being first because I don’t think that she can win this one.

Sounds like you think Trump already has the nod and election sewn up. We’ve got a long way to go, and the Republicans will likely wake up one day, do their walk of shame, and run like hell AWAY from Trump. He’s a hell of a performance artist and self-promoter, but keeping up this charade for over another year is a tall order. And if he has to run against a Democrat who is under 99 years old, he’s probably gonna lose. He can’t put together enough minority and younger female voters to win an electoral map.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Sep 10, 2015 • 11:59:14pm

re: #260 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I ‘m betting on him going all the way to the convention. I believe that he will name a woman VP because that would throw everyone off balance, again. The first female VP would be a strong candidate to be the first woman POTUS.

I’m discounting Clinton’s chance at being first because I don’t think that she can win this one.

i think trump and a jeb-like candidate will split the vote right up to the convention

one thing’s fer shur - if there is a close vote but they dont pick trump, his supporters will split the party. they’re not the kind of people to accept facts when it means they lose

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palomino  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:00:23am

re: #263 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

When it comes to the notion that the Rs believe that anybody they nominate will win, there is some merit. You have the sympathetic factors of shaky Democratic turnout and voter restriction laws.

If I were a Republican, I would look at the fact that my party lost the last two prez elections by a combined 15 million votes. And then not take anything for granted. Even with voter ID laws and middling turnout, the electoral map isn’t an easy one for Republicans.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:01:49am

Once the field of candidates starts to narrow, the 70% that is not Trump will coalesce behind the last couple lugnuts and Trump will be on the bottom looking up.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:03:43am

re: #267 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Once the field of candidates starts to narrow, the 70% that is not Trump will coalesce behind the last couple lugnuts and Trump will be on the bottom looking up.

He’ll just declare bankruptcy and shout “WIN!”.

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palomino  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:05:02am

re: #267 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Once the field of candidates starts to narrow, the 70% that is not Trump will coalesce behind the last couple lugnuts and Trump will be on the bottom looking up.

Yeah, generally speaking. But some of that 70% currently supports Carson, Cruz and others of the looniest, least sane gop candidates. A lot of them may first flirt with Trump because they find his open racism attractive, or because he “speaks his mind” or some other bullshit.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:06:02am

Video

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:08:08am

There we go. Internet code is not simple.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:08:48am

Any female GOP VP or Presidential candidate is going to oppose reproductive freedom and pay equity. They would literally be there as a token. Now being a divorced man I’m probably not the ideal go to guy for what women are thinking, but experience has led me to believe most women aren’t going to find that bullshit incredibly compelling. Especially if the alternative is someone like Hilary, who despite whatever shortcomings she may posses is a genuine and passionate defender of women’s rights and equality.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:11:06am

re: #262 teleskiguy

You know the shame about that discussion is that I responded to an appeal to “Arrest these assholes”, and I suggested that if you want to arrest somebody you need cause. You can’t arrest people for being assholes. It took at least an hour for somebody to come up with a law, but the facts didn’t show a breach of that law. People ignored concrete arguments I made, accused me of making excuses for the OKs (I got tired of typing it out), and just insisting that they were right by way of repetition. It got to the point that they were sounding just like Dick Cheney, wanting to arrest people on the 1% chance that harm might result. In spite of the contempt I have for the OKs, I think they are being very careful about what they say.

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palomino  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:12:14am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Any female GOP VP or Presidential candidate is going to oppose reproductive freedom and pay equity. They would literally be there as a token. Now being a divorced man I’m probably not the ideal go to guy for what women are thinking, but experience has led me to believe most women aren’t going to find that bullshit incredibly compelling. Especially if the alternative is someone like Hilary, who despite whatever shortcomings she may posses is a genuine and passionate defender of women’s rights and equality.

On the other hand, when compared to Palin, even a giant steaming pile of Marsha Blackburn or Renee Ellmers doesn’t look so bad. This observation does not, however, apply to Virginia Foxx.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:12:20am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:14:18am

Odd thing. When my Shockwave whatever crashes, the site suddenly scrolls freely and my typing shows without a delay.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:16:12am

re: #275 teleskiguy

I always wanted to upding a random private comment and make somebody wonder if I hacked it. (BWAhahahaha)

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palomino  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:17:09am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

Any female GOP VP or Presidential candidate is going to oppose reproductive freedom and pay equity. They would literally be there as a token. Now being a divorced man I’m probably not the ideal go to guy for what women are thinking, but experience has led me to believe most women aren’t going to find that bullshit incredibly compelling. Especially if the alternative is someone like Hilary, who despite whatever shortcomings she may posses is a genuine and passionate defender of women’s rights and equality.

Another big factor is that a woman at the bottom of the ticket means a hell of a lot less than a woman at the top. In fact, there haven’t been that many cases in recent history where the Veep made any difference at all. Paul Ryan and John Edwards, for example, were chosen to help win their home swing states in 2012 and 2004, respectively. They had little if any impact on the outcome of their home states, which they lost. Quite possibly the last time it really mattered was 1960, when LBJ helped JFK win TX.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:17:56am

re: #271 teleskiguy

There we go. Internet code is not simple.

Try inserting into a page. I figure Charles has iframes disabled in comments.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:18:01am

re: #273 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You were called out earlier because you were defending the OK’s. Simple as that. The only way those folks do any wrong in your mind is if they committed outright violence. Fact of the matter is there are laws against threats in these United States, and you don’t recognize them. You only recognize actual violence.

I stand by my earlier assertion that you’re *fucking* wrong on all that shit that was being argued downstairs.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:28:22am

Think for a second about the type of woman who even would deign to be Trump’s VP, imagine exactly how much high test crazy that decision would require? What woman want’s to go on camera and defend her running mate saying Megyn Kellly was on the rag, that Carly Fiorina has a face too ugly to vote for, etc. And that’s before getting to all the ugly racism.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:31:54am

re: #280 teleskiguy

You were called out earlier because you were defending the OK’s. Simple as that. The only way those folks do any wrong in your mind is if they committed outright violence. Fact of the matter is there are laws against threats in these United States, and you don’t recognize them. You only recognize actual violence.

I stand by my earlier assertion that you’re *fucking* wrong on all that shit that was being argued downstairs.

Do you know what I was defending? The rule of law. The OKs showed no history of violence. Their statements about “interceding” if the sheriff didn’t were not expressly threats of violence. Putting the judge “on notice” is also not a violent threat. That speech is used all the time. I’m all for arresting people who interfere, but the actions of the OKs do not rise to the level requiring pre-emptive arrest.
I was pretty clear more than once that if somebody arrested the OK leader who said what I read in the piece at the top of the page, he would go before a judge and get a quick release. At all times I was pretty clear that I was talking about the law and NOT defending the Oath Keepers. I forget who accused me of making excuses for them, but more than once when I asked what excuse I made, the question was ignored. As far as I am concerned, that is a pretty ignorant thing to do, yet I’m the one called a jerk. I was patient, I presented arguments instead of emotion, and yet even you don’t get it.
Law. It sucks sometimes.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:32:56am

re: #281 goddamnedfrank

Think for a second about the type of woman who even would deign to be Trump’s VP, imagine exactly how much high test crazy that decision would require? What woman want’s to go on camera and defend her running mate saying Megyn Kellly was on the rag, that Carly Fiorina has a face too ugly to vote for, etc. And that’s before getting to all the ugly racism.

A power hungry, possibly self-loathing, self-centered, woman hating bitch?

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:35:15am

It’s 12:30 here and still 78F with 74%RH. It’s as bad as last night, which had higher RH but cooler temps.

Lots of records fell yesterday, especially for highest minimum temps:


SXUS76 KSGX 110024
RERSGX

RECORD EVENT REPORT...FINAL
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SAN DIEGO CA
520 PM PDT THU SEP 10 2015

...HIGHEST MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON SEP 10 2015 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SAN DIEGO 96 95 IN 1878 1875
NEWPORT BEACH 89 87 IN 2004 1921
CHULA VISTA 94 90 IN 1990 1918


...HIGHEST MINIMUM TEMPERATURE RECORDS BROKEN OR TIED ON SEP 10 2015 ...

LOCATION NEW RECORD OLD RECORD PERIOD OF RECORD

SANTA ANA 76 TIED 76 IN 1984 1906
SAN DIEGO 77 76 IN 1984 1875
OCEANSIDE HARBOR 75 TIED 75 IN 1984 1909
VISTA 76 72 IN 1984 1957
CHULA VISTA 75 72 IN 1984 1918
RIVERSIDE 76 72 IN 2012 1893
ESCONDIDO 78 74 IN 1984 1893
RAMONA 70 65 IN 2008 1974
ALPINE 74 TIED 74 IN 1990 1951
PALM SPRINGS 84 TIED 84 IN 1997 1893
INDIO 86 85 IN 1971 1894
BORREGO 81 TIED 81 IN 2011 1942


I believe the increase in minimum temps is one of the expectations of global warming, as increased water content in the atmosphere will reduce night-time cooling as well as just the average temps being higher.

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Kragar  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:37:30am

re: #284 freetoken

It’s 12:30 here and still 78F with 74%RH. It’s as bad as last night, which had higher RH but cooler temps.

Lots of records fell yesterday, especially for highest minimum temps:



I believe the increase in minimum temps is one of the expectations of global warming, as increased water content in the atmosphere will reduce night-time cooling as well as just the average temps being higher.

84 in La Mesa right now

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:40:45am

re: #284 freetoken

weather.com used to have a feature that when you looked at the month by month stats, they showed the daily record highs and lows. I went through the year for Philadelphia once and half the days of the year had record highs posted since 1990, but only 6 record lows. That feature isn’t there anymore, but I wonder how many places would show a similar shift if the tendency to have more record highs than lows. I haven’t found a resource that would just show the records in a list, maybe one of these days I’ll try the NWS again.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:47:16am

re: #282 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Argle Bargle. Thanks. Have a nice day.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:50:28am

re: #287 teleskiguy

Good comeback. Go hi five yourself.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:55:19am

re: #288 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

You and I are sooo cool. Don’t you know that?!? C’mon! You and I hang out at one of the coolest places on the net!

Let’s keep it NON-personal. You called Mattand an “asshole” today. No need for that. Find the good! Find the laughter!

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:56:20am

re: #23 Varek Raith

It still boggles my mind that they didn’t see this coming.
They built this monster and it turned on them.
e_e

Best part? They’re blaming Obama. Not kidding, just read it in Commentary.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 12:57:05am

Frank Zappa & The Mothers - Who Needs the Peace Corps ?

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:05:44am

re: #289 teleskiguy

Actually I’ll stand behind that. When I said that a 120 pound person in a rage shouldn’t be underestimated, it was a valid thing to say, and Mattand responded in a very unkind way. It was not a defense of the people who harmed the lady, in fact I even said that first, yet he responded the way he did. Discourse has been taking some hits around here lately. On the board before that I had people who felt they knew all they needed to know about the US in 1980, and didn’t want to hear anything else. I can handle being wrong. It happened once:) I also make the effort to articulate my arguments instead of gainsay somebody I don’t agree with. I don’t throw any hand grenades into the threads and run away.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:08:48am

re: #128 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

I mean I’m a white guy with Euro ancestry, but that’s not my self-identity. It’s not something I want to rub other people’s noses in, especially considering my current location, y’know? it’s just not that important to me. The present and the future are my focus, not the past.

And that is good this way. Racial nationalists who are obsessed about their racial identity are automatically suspect to me, whatever else they may be saying and whatever race they are.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:13:02am

At this point I’m going to give my browser the rest of the night off. Maybe I should consider rebooting more than once every 2 or 3 months as well.

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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:23:45am

re: #277 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

I always wanted to upding a random private comment and make somebody wonder if I hacked it. (BWAhahahaha)

Nice thing about this is I abosolutely know you didn’t hack it. You can’t. The comment is private and secure, because of Charles’s meticulous programming.

Lizard Pride
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teleskiguy  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:27:36am

re: #292 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

OK. Fine. Doesn’t mean your arguments are correct. I’m sure you notice people are honest here, 100%.

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:32:05am

re: #283 WhatEVs

A power hungry, possibly self-loathing, self-centered, woman hating bitch termagant?

Fixed. Tut tut, I’m a super classy gentleman over here m’lady, made of only the finest in classy gentleman style ingredients. None of that steerage class dialog for me. I would never call a woman a bitch, no matter how hosebeasty the provocation.

I do have a hard time seeing Trump even considering a female for VP though, even if he could be convinced it was the most assured path to winning. He does not even pretend to respect or like women, and exudes an overtly dismissive attitude towards the entire gender.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:36:39am

This buzzfeed article is just idiotic. And unlike in many other cases, the comment section tells it like it is.

buzzfeed.com

No, not wanting to date a HIV-carrier is not bigoted, is not HIV-shaming and is, in fact, a normal response. Because it’s not based on someone’s color of skin or religious beliefs. It’s a fucking deadly infection.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 1:49:23am

re: #298 Nyet

The comments by the article’s author in that guy’s facebook are stunning:

Simon, if you had read the piece you’d have noticed one salient fact: having an undetectable viral load makes a person uninfectious. So, what are those “health risks”? Do tell.

…

Oh dear, you haven’t grasped a simple fact. If the person is undetectable you can’t get HIV from them.

cdc.gov

Can I get HIV from someone who is living with HIV but has undetectable viral load?
Yes. Even though having an undetectable viral load greatly lowers the chance that a person with HIV can transmit the virus to a partner, there is still some risk.

Viral load refers to the amount of HIV in the blood. An undetectable viral load is when the amount of HIV in the blood is so low that it can’t be measured. Antiretroviral therapy (ART) reduces viral load, ideally to an undetectable level, when taken consistently and correctly. A person with HIV can still potentially transmit HIV to a partner even if they have an undetectable viral load, because

HIV may still be found in genital fluids (e.g., semen, vaginal fluids). The viral load test only measures virus in blood.
A person’s viral load may go up between tests. When this happens, they may be more likely to transmit HIV to partners.
Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) increase viral load in genital fluids.

Nice “experts” you have there, Buzzfeed Health.

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Kragar  Sep 11, 2015 • 2:00:26am

re: #299 Nyet

Shit like that could get people killed

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2015 • 2:08:49am

re: #298 Nyet

This buzzfeed article is just idiotic. And unlike in many other cases, the comment section tells it like it is.

buzzfeed.com

No, not wanting to date a HIV-carrier is not bigoted, is not HIV-shaming and is, in fact, a normal response. Because it’s not based on someone’s color of skin or religious beliefs. It’s a fucking deadly infection.

The risks can be mitigated somewhat with PrEP, but there is no vaccine. Also, if someone is going to take a prophylactic combination of medications, with their own set of side effect, just to be with you, that makes them accommodating on scale that far exceeds rational expectation. If you have HIV and you like someone and they’re willing to do that to be with you, congratulations you’ve hit the goddamned jackpot.

The really hilarious thing about that article though the dude was on Grindr but didn’t want to be judged. I mean, just what the fuck? Aren’t apps like Grindr and Tinder built entirely around people judging each other on the most shallow, surface level, prurient criteria?

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goddamnedfrank  Sep 11, 2015 • 2:10:50am

I’m just saying, it’s like going to a furry convention and getting pissed off that there are furries there.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 2:58:06am

Dear Comrade Editor, I want to tell you of some ignorant women who are harmful to us. I set my hopes on you, that you who travel around our nation’s fronts, have not overlooked the far-flung station of Fastov, lying afar beyond the mountains grand, in a distant province of a distant land, where many a jug of home-brewed beer we drank with merriment and cheer. About this aforementioned station, there is much you can write about, but as we say back home: you can shovel till the cows come home, but the master’s dung heap never gets no smaller. So I will only describe what my eyes have seen in person.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 3:23:28am

No idea where these guys come from, but I took the test anyway:

In total, you correctly answered 14/18 (77.78%) of the political knowledge questions. 80% of people correctly answer between 4 and 9 questions; 6 is the average. Your score is higher than 99% of test takers.

On a scale of 0-100%, your total political bias was 16.67%. Your score suggests you are less biased than about 75% of other test takers. 50% of people get a score between 23% and 58%. The average score is 40.82%.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:11:23am

re: #304 Nyet

Those are some very misleading questions. Yes, you can answer them “correctly” if you don’t really care about how the questions are so unable to describe our reality. These kind of psych tests are intended to demonstrate if what one thinks of oneself is in accord with what other people think of you ought to think of yourself.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:15:04am

It’s still 76F with 81%RH… the humidity is killing us. The monsoonal flow has lingered longer than projected next week. Hurricane Linda was supposed to have turned SW and gone away, instead hit headed north and now the remnant low is somewhere over Baja. Ugh.

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Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:19:31am

re: #305 freetoken

Those are some very misleading questions. Yes, you can answer them “correctly” if you don’t really care about how the questions are so unable to describe our reality. These kind of psych tests are intended to demonstrate if what one thinks of oneself is in accord with what other people think of you ought to think of yourself.

I quibbled with some of their ‘correct’ answers.
Specifically the radioactive waste, death penalty and gun ones.

That said,
In total, you correctly answered 12/18 (66.67%) of the political knowledge questions. 80% of people correctly answer between 4 and 9 questions; 6 is the average. Your score is higher than 99% of test takers.

On a scale of 0-100%, your total political bias was 22.22%. Your score suggests you are less biased than about 75% of other test takers. 50% of people get a score between 23% and 58%. The average score is 40.82%.

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Stephen T.  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:21:06am

re: #305 freetoken

Those are some very misleading questions. Yes, you can answer them “correctly” if you don’t really care about how the questions are so unable to describe our reality. These kind of psych tests are intended to demonstrate if what one thinks of oneself is in accord with what other people think of you ought to think of yourself.

I agree with everything you said, which is probably why my perfect score depresses me. I’m not sure I answered the questions “right”, I just answered the questions the way that they expected me to answer.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:21:48am

re: #305 freetoken

Basically, you have to put nuance aside when answering.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:28:30am

The other day I lamented how stupid a story was that popped up (in the SCMP) about the North Atlantic overturning circulation when some writer goes off about “The Day After Tomorrow”.

Well guess what, here’s an article from yesterday on MSNBC covering the same thing:

Climate scientists fear ‘Day After Tomorrow’ scenario

No. No they don’t.

This time the writer for MSNBC is one “Tony Dokoupil”. I don’t know if that is another pen-name for the SCMP writer, or if he’s just plagiarizing the SCMP.

Anyway, it’s stupid.

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Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:29:10am

re: #309 Nyet

Basically, you have to put nuance aside when answering.

Especially when it comes to what country a multinational corp. ‘belongs’ to.
Or something.

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Varek Raith  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:29:41am

re: #310 freetoken

The other day I lamented how stupid a story was that popped up (in the SCMP) about the North Atlantic overturning circulation when some writer goes off about “The Day After Tomorrow”.

Well guess what, here’s an article from yesterday on MSNBC covering the same thing:

Climate scientists fear ‘Day After Tomorrow’ scenario

No. No they don’t.

This time the writer for MSNBC is one “Tony Dokoupil”. I don’t know if that is another pen-name for the SCMP writer, or if he’s just plagiarizing the SCMP.

Anyway, it’s stupid.

Ugh.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 4:36:15am

For all our miserable weather here, other parts of the world have it worse:

Japan floods: Rescue work continues amid deadly floods

Rescue work is continuing across northeast Japan, where at least three people have died in severe flooding and many remain stranded.

Twenty-four people are still missing and at least 27 people have been injured, eight seriously.

Officials have warned of further heavy rain and the risk of mudslides, as the extreme weather moves north.

The torrential rain, caused by a severe tropical storm, follows Typhoon Etau, which hit Japan earlier this week.

The one-two punch of tropical storms is deadly.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:00:08am

Looks like I missed an exciting thread last night.

Although it’s much better “catching up” on it in the morning than being in the middle of it in the middle of the night.

I suspect a combination of alcohol, ambien and some other drugs were involved.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:02:00am

So I found this among my Twitter mentions. So a higher marginal income tax & capital gains tax on the 1% is “taking every penny they have”? Math is hard.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:06:12am

#tcot is up bright-eyed and early posting “jumper” photos and Islamophobic hate memes.

I was about to post some of them in a spoiler tag but just no.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:06:46am

re: #314 The Vicious Babushka

I noticed the shrillness quite a while ago. Was only a matter of time.

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:08:15am
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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:08:47am

Morning Lizardim. Today dawned clear and cool here in the wild north country, a fitting tribute to the remembrance of This Day in History. May we all reflect and remember as the sun rises upon the heartland. There’s usually an open thread after Charles gets up, so I’m sure I will post more later on that topic. How go things elsewhere among the lizardfolk on this beautiful Friday morning?

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:10:12am

I turned on the Patriot Channel on Sirius radio this morning to get a little dose of insanity. Mike Church was on, and what I got instead was him reading a Pat Buchanan article making a stunningly rational argument for why the GOP shouldn’t be beating the drums for war with Iran. Even though he is a racist Neanderthal, Buchanan can actually think clearly about foreign policy.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:15:43am

re: #320 aagcobb

I turned on the Patriot Channel on Sirius radio this morning to get a little dose of insanity. Mike Church was on, and what I got instead was him reading a Pat Buchanan article making a stunningly rational argument for why the GOP shouldn’t be beating the drums for war with Iran. Even though he is a racist Neanderthal, Buchanan can actually think clearly about foreign policy.

Buchanan got his start in politics writing speeches for Richard Nixon. Nixon was an asshole in a lot of ways, but he was also a very effective diplomat.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:16:46am

re: #318 darthstar

*picks up the jaw from the floor*

Real maturity there, Bobby.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:21:08am

re: #316 The Vicious Babushka

I know a couple in NYC who lived through 9/11 and they hate today. Not only because the wife nearly lost her life that day, but because of the fetishizing of this day (the husband’s wording, he began noticing it before the first anniversary) and all the anti Muslim screeds and death porn that pops up all over the place. She takes this day off and they spend the day at home with their doggies and stay off the internet and don’t watch TV. I don’t blame them.

I just bitched out someone who was whining on Facebook about how That Horrible Obama isn’t going to the NYC site today. I believe he’s going to a military base instead to thank our troops and first responders for the amazing job they did then. I pointed out that if the President did that, the logistics and security would interfere with actual family and friends who wanted to be there that day. Because security for a Presidential appearance anywhere isn’t just a matter of a couple bodyguards like it’s freaking Justin Beiber. He still hasn’t responded, ha. Most likely it’ll turn into ObamaHillaryBenghaziEmail. Because of course it will.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:21:18am

re: #322 Nyet

OK, this speech is good:

But the twitter-slinging is childish.

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:22:52am

re: #324 Nyet

OK, this speech is good:

[Embedded content]

But the twitter-slinging is childish.

The acoustics of the mostly empty room make it sound even better.

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A Mom Anon  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:26:31am

re: #324 Nyet

This whole mess has turned childish. Because Trump, like a typical bully, cannot stand even the slightest perceived insult or anyone showing him up in any form. Like many other negative traits, bullying has a ripple effect and brings out more of the same.

There’s a story of Trump riding on bikes with one of his exes (Ivanna? I can’t remember) and she rode past him, beating him in some little race they were having and it pissed him off, like he got off the bike and stomped around like a spoiled brat. That’s not the temperament of anyone who needs to be in charge of anything. That’s what Trump is, a spoiled brat, period. The rest of the GOP field isn’t much better.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:28:56am

Wow. I just went back and read the thread. I missed a real live one, it seems.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:30:18am

re: #327 thedopefishlives

Saved you all the Uncomfortableness of the Moment.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:31:03am

Pickled drama, yay!

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:33:28am
The only member of Congress to hold a Ph.D. in science is supporting the nuclear deal with Iran, amid a wave of Democratic support for the Obama administration’s agreement.

Rep. Bill Foster (D-Ill.), who holds a doctorate in physics, said Tuesday that he had gone deep into the weeds on the pact’s technical merits and concluded that it passed muster to earn his support.

“After carefully weighing all of the options and possible outcomes I do believe that voting for this deal will make it less likely that Iran will develop a nuclear weapon,” Foster said in a press conference on Capitol Hill.

“My support of this agreement is informed not just by trust but by science.”

who knew?

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:34:10am

re: #327 thedopefishlives

Wow. I just went back and read the thread. I missed a real live one, it seems.

where do I start reading?

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:34:45am

re: #331 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

where do I start reading?

Don’t, if you have blood pressure problems like me. Otherwise, starting around, I think post #120ish? Going up through the low 200’s.

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Frenchy  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:35:12am

Jindal is just trying to get someone, anyone, to pay attention to him and remember that he is still running for President (lol).

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:38:48am

I miss all the fun it seems.

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:39:20am

re: #333 Frenchy

Jindal is just trying to get someone, anyone, to pay attention to him and remember that he is still running for President (lol).

He at least made the cut for the kiddie table debate. Larry Gilmore (does anyone remember he is running too? Or even who he is?) is polling so low he doesn’t get to debate at all.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:40:23am

re: #331 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

#163, but note that it’s an edited comment.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:40:49am

re: #335 aagcobb

He at least made the cut for the kiddie table debate. Larry Gilmore (does anyone remember he is running too? Or even who he is?) is polling so low he doesn’t get to debate at all.

Jim not Larry but proves your point. I have no idea what he’s thinking. He failed miserably the first time he ran and then Warner pummeled him in the Senate race.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:41:23am

Weekend can’t come fast enough.

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:46:03am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Jim not Larry but proves your point. I have no idea what he’s thinking. He failed miserably the first time he ran and then Warner pummeled him in the Senate race.

See? I couldn’t even remember his name! I guess its a vanity project; he can tell his grandkids he ran for President.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:46:27am
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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:47:27am

“I won’t be libeled.”

ROTFLAMAO

yeah, upchuck or his clone.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:47:28am

re: #340 Dr. Matt

He probably already had all the torture plans in his evil gray matter.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:47:44am

re: #320 aagcobb

Well, you know what they say - a broken clock is right once a day.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:48:42am

re: #343 freetoken

Well, you know what they say - a broken clock is right once a day.

Twice?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:49:16am

re: #339 aagcobb

See? I couldn’t even remember his name! I guess its a vanity project; he can tell his grandkids he ran for President.

I guess so but this is the second time but yeah you forgetting his name proves the point.

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:49:17am

re: #344 Nyet

Twice?

Its a joke about Rick Perry; he said once.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:49:39am

re: #344 Nyet

Twice?

mediaite.com

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:50:28am

re: #346 aagcobb

re: #347 Dr. Matt

Thanks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:51:29am

All the Islamophobic shit on Twitter today, I just can’t even.

I should close the Tweetdeck for the rest of the day.

But I can’t, because I enjoy watching trainwrecks.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:52:35am

Example of the #tcot trainwreck==>

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:53:02am

re: #349 The Vicious Babushka

All the Islamophobic shit on Twitter today, I just can’t even.

I should close the Tweetdeck for the rest of the day.

But I can’t, because I enjoy watching trainwrecks.

I’ll watch from over here, thank you
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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:53:02am

Today’s a rough day, especially for those who were here in the NYC metro area witnessing events unfold live - no tv, no radio, nothing but watching events with their own eyes and other senses - because after the towers fell, it was the smell that pervaded the region for weeks to come.

Even now, the smell of scorched metal (from welding/deconstruction/construction sites) can set me off. That smell will forever be linked to the fires that burned at Ground Zero for weeks after the attacks.

It’s one of the reasons I write those annual writeups, as a way to heal and reconcile what’s happened.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:54:15am

re: #340 Dr. Matt

[Embedded content]

Everyone deals with disaster in their own way. Some people can stay calm even in times such as 9/11.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:54:33am

THE LATEST: CENTRAL EUROPEAN NATIONS REJECT MIGRANT QUOTAS

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who has ordered his country’s border with Serbia to be turned into a razor-tipped fortress, says the solution to the European Union migration crisis lies in Greece.

“We have to take care of the problem where it exists,” Orban told a Budapest news conference. “If Greece is not capable of protecting its borders . we need to mobilize European forces to the Greek borders so that they can achieve the goals of European law instead of the Greek authorities. That is one of the foremost goals.”

Under EU asylum rules, those seeking refugee protection should apply in the first EU country they enter. Greece is the first EU country on the migration route that starts in Turkey and runs through the Balkans and Hungary. Thousands daily take short journeys by boat from the Turkish coast to Greece’s eastern Aegean islands.

But other EU nations in recent years have stopped deporting people back to Greece, citing its overwhelmed, dysfunctional asylum system. Germany recently decided to stop deporting people back to Hungary for similar reasons.

I don’t know how far this problem will go to undermining the EU project; my suspicion is that it is more potent than handling debt issues.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:54:54am

re: #350 The Vicious Babushka

Example of the #tcot trainwreck==>

[Embedded content]

kKKlassy.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:54:58am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Everyone deals with disaster in their own way. Some people can stay calm even in times such as 9/11.

Especially if they wanted it to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:57:15am

re: #352 lawhawk

Today’s a rough day, especially for those who were here in the NYC metro area witnessing events unfold live - no tv, no radio, nothing but watching events with their own eyes and other senses - because after the towers fell, it was the smell that pervaded the region for weeks to come.

Even now, the smell of scorched metal (from welding/deconstruction/construction sites) can set me off. That smell will forever be linked to the fires that burned at Ground Zero for weeks after the attacks.

It’s one of the reasons I write those annual writeups, as a way to heal and reconcile what’s happened.

I always think about my brother’s best friend’s father. He was a firefighter and called to the Pentagon that day. It’s really effected him a lot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:57:22am

Dim Jim & his even dimmer BFF Kristinn blame Iran for 9/11

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 5:58:04am

I was living in Houston (central time zone) at the time, I was just getting out of the shower and the TV was on with breaking news about the crash. My buddy was staying with me as he finished up his MSN, and I told him it was probably just a cessna who got too close on sightseeing tour. I was rather dismissive about it. I went into my room, got dressed for work, and then a second plane hit. I was 3 hours late for work from being glued to the TV.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:00:09am

I see that Rand is firing at Trump, claiming the latter is not a true conservative.

But, Trump is still #1 with the people.

Walker falls to 10th in Iowa in latest poll

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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:00:21am

Oh, a gotcha photo of Cheney watching the attacks unfolding with his legs up on a desk. Cheney was and remains a bad apple, but he didn’t want the attacks to happen more than any one else who is in the USG.

It was a massive failure by his administration, and failures of the prior Clinton Admin., to take the AQ threats seriously and do what it took to go after AQ.

So, rather than focus on AQ, the Bush Administration focused on Iraq. Great plan that - for all the bad stuff Saddam Hussein did, including genocide/democide for which he should have been held for war crimes, we spent trillions on a conflict that detracted from the core mission of going after AQ.

Iraq opened up a huge can of worms that we’re still dealing with to this day. Not that Afghanistan is any better either - but key members of AQ are now either dead or in custody.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:01:28am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Everyone deals with disaster in their own way. Some people can stay calm even in times such as 9/11.

And some continue with a photo-op by reading children stories about pet goats.

Face it, if that was Joe Biden rather than Dick Cheney, you and your fellow GOP/TPers and the librul MSM would be blasting Biden for being so relaxed and comfortable on the nation’s biggest disaster.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:04:25am
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Dark_Falcon  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:05:51am

re: #341 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

“I won’t be libeled.”

ROTFLAMAO

yeah, upchuck or his clone.

Well, it was late night, so its not a shock that we had a moonbat barking at the lizards. I knew that guy was wound a bit tight, but DAMN!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:06:32am

I can’t knock Cheney too hard but I also know he would knock Biden or Obama if they did the same so in short fuck Dick Cheney.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:06:35am

re: #297 goddamnedfrank

Fixed. Tut tut, I’m a super classy gentleman over here m’lady, made of only the finest in classy gentleman style ingredients. None of that steerage class dialog for me. I would never call a woman a bitch, no matter how hosebeasty the provocation.

You crack me up. All the time.

I do have a hard time seeing Trump even considering a female for VP though, even if he could be convinced it was the most assured path to winning. He does not even pretend to respect or like women, and exudes an overtly dismissive attitude towards the entire gender.

I never watched Trump on television but I get the feeling that this is all one big reality show to him. First, that he considers himself qualified to run for POTUS is stunning in itself. That he would put up a woman is simply more fodder for the newsies, meaning more press for him.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:07:31am

Alright, I’m going to catch a lot of hell for this, but let’s just get it out: There are a lot of reasons to dislike Bush and outright hate Dick Cheney, but let’s not accuse either of them of explicit malice with regard to 9/11. Nobody wanted 9/11 to happen except the dead fuckers who made it happen.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:08:07am

REPORT: OBAMA WATCHED BENGHAZI ATTACK FROM ‘SITUATION ROOM’

Utter silence about:

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William Lewis  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:08:53am

re: #361 lawhawk

The problem is that they did want, desperately, an excuse to cause a war in Iraq. 14 years ago they got that excuse. In that sense, yes “they wanted it” much as Nixon and Kissinger “wanted” the coup in Chile that would claim the lives of as many as 30,000 Chilean citizens for the crimes like union membership or writing the wrong things.

That was 42 years ago today as well but it gets forgotten, to the right wing’s joy, in the fetishization of 2001.

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:09:04am

re: #367 thedopefishlives

Alright, I’m going to catch a lot of hell for this, but let’s just get it out: There are a lot of reasons to dislike Bush and outright hate Dick Cheney, but let’s not accuse either of them of explicit malice with regard to 9/11. Nobody wanted 9/11 to happen except the dead fuckers who made it happen.

You’ll never catch me wandering into the bizarre thickets of trutherism. That’s Alex Jones’ territory.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:09:20am

Jindal is right to call Trump a reality show stunt but he’s also a big part of the problem too- I.e his outright lies about Kim Davis and him threatening Obama not to talk Clinate Change at the Katrina ceremony.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:09:28am

Sigh. This is why I don’t come in in the mornings. (Well, that and that it doesn’t look good to be on LGF at work.) Later lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:11:12am

re: #367 thedopefishlives

Alright, I’m going to catch a lot of hell for this, but let’s just get it out: There are a lot of reasons to dislike Bush and outright hate Dick Cheney, but let’s not accuse either of them of explicit malice with regard to 9/11. Nobody wanted 9/11 to happen except the dead fuckers who made it happen.

Yeah I don’t think so either. I think Dick Cheney is a miserable old man who can’t accept his place in history is gonna be of a warmonger asshole but I don’t think he wanted 3000 dead Americans.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:13:06am

re: #356 GlutenFreeJesus

As ‘thedopefishlives’ just said, that’s wrong to say. Dick Cheney did want to eliminate Saddam Hussein and vile sons and thus neutralize Iraq as a threat to the regional order, and he was hoping for an excuse to do that. But he didn’t want America to suffer a massive terror attack in order to have that excuse.

Believe me, if Dick Cheney had been given the choice between Saddam’s regime of state terror enduring and 3,000 Americans being murdered by Al Qaeda, he’d have opted to have Saddam still terrorizing Iraq.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:13:40am

re: #370 aagcobb

The U.S. Govt. wasn’t responsible for 9/11, but certain factions within saw it as an opportunity, not a tragedy.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:14:35am

The NBC family appears to have spent yesterday trying to come up with the most non-sensical headlines on science stories. From the NBC news website:

‘Mind Blown’: Is Human Ancestor Discovery the Long-Sought Missing Link?

The stunning announcement Thursday that scientists had discovered a “hybrid” early human species immediately set off discussion of whether it’s the elusive “missing link” between modern humans and their earliest apelike ancestors.

No. There are no “missing links”.

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:15:36am

re: #375 GlutenFreeJesus

The U.S. Govt. wasn’t responsible for 9/11, but certain factions within saw it as an opportunity, not a tragedy.

I will give you that.

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Teukka  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:15:38am

re: #310 freetoken

The other day I lamented how stupid a story was that popped up (in the SCMP) about the North Atlantic overturning circulation when some writer goes off about “The Day After Tomorrow”.

Well guess what, here’s an article from yesterday on MSNBC covering the same thing:

Climate scientists fear ‘Day After Tomorrow’ scenario

No. No they don’t.

This time the writer for MSNBC is one “Tony Dokoupil”. I don’t know if that is another pen-name for the SCMP writer, or if he’s just plagiarizing the SCMP.

Anyway, it’s stupid.

*sigh*

It’s this sort of overdramatized, souped-up, (semi-)clueless writing about climate science which plays straight into the hands of the climate skepdicks*, especially the kind which call them alarmists and “chicken little”.

If the THC croaks on us, what awaits isn’t the flashy Day After Tomorrow scenario, it will be a much more boring one.

Basically, imagine a winter which simply never ends. If we’re lucky, shorter and shorter summers, then constant winter. Northern Europe will be hit first, and worst.
You may have freak storms in places, like “dancers” (a.k.a. icenados), but it will be the exception rather than the norm. Some places may experience flash freezing.

And here for the really bad part:

5oiuWAB4XPAJVxIaaQUD32S/8w7EkbdLPWI7eEVyzeF7NXGoZFI8fAEbAOD6Lr6ufm0OyLeiqNMc9wEwl1saGZ6F1L7XLqz7l3dOS3AcUFWk+QIP7JD05g1M5XNETVSqx1onpawQ++nhXN6Y+VrLymK1WIjzxg1bayudtf9TRnKAiY4aRvpfEQUViQNU1eAMVyBt1rk+rf+0IHNeEPDc1SSV/YLdxZr2xqlznXRVbS1bDrqfLunLWtzrDfFpCsGw/aB2JHgsikYEIuWlglw2pbvmhQZ1iMUZDGfjOlMKzAq0MI6v2m/IKj8L/ecwL+gNe1O5NG7nrcFR3QBml9sUaBam7+Daw2gx0OdhgPIJMGE=

Anyways, take the editorializing of the journo at SCMP/MSNBC with a bag of salt, but be attentive to the core stuff (i.e. “Thermohaline circ).
And with that, I head out shopping for Friday evening noms.
L8r lizards!

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:15:42am

re: #375 GlutenFreeJesus

The U.S. Govt. wasn’t responsible for 9/11, but certain factions within saw it as an opportunity, not a tragedy.

Yeah, but….

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Timothy Watson  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:22:24am

re: #368 Dr. Matt

I’ve seen a photo that claims to be of Bush, Cheney, Rice, and some Saudi prince laughing it up a day or two after 9/11. Anyone know if that’s an accurate description?

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:26:34am

?????

Polish Explorer Says He’s Found Alleged Hitler Nuke Shelter

A Polish explorer claims he has found massive underground structure in southwestern Poland that, he says, the Nazis built as a nuclear shelter for Hitler.

Krzysztof Szpakowski told a news conference Friday he has “no doubt” as to his find, which he says was based on evidence that he has gathered for decades, including witness statements, old documents and an examination of the area by ground-penetrating radar and by dowsers.

Speaking on TVN24, Szpakowski said the structure was part of a system of railway tunnels and corridors that the Nazis were building during World War II around the city of Walbrzych. His conference was hosted by Walbrzych regional authorities.

Two other men claim they have fund another tunnel at a separate location in Walbrzych that contains a Nazi train.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:27:08am

re: #309 Nyet

Basically, you have to put nuance aside when answering.

That’s hard to do when facts of any matter are often nuanced. For example, what exactly is economically liberal and conservative. Those are (mostly) meaningless and completely subjective options.

This question is befuddling to me: Extended unemployment insurance benefits correlates with increases in unemployment (in the US). Extended UI only happens during times of extended periods of unemployment, no?

I don’t know if I should be happy or not.

In total, you correctly answered 10/18 (55.56%) of the political knowledge questions. 80% of people correctly answer between 4 and 9 questions; 6 is the average. Your score is higher than 95% of test takers.

On a scale of 0-100%, your total political bias was 8.33%. Your score suggests you are less biased than about 75% of other test takers. 50% of people get a score between 23% and 58%. The average score is 40.82%.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:27:14am

LOL my daughter-in-law just texted wants to know how cold the weather will be here when they come to visit the last week of September. I said it will probably be chilly so I’ll make sure to have sweaters for her kids (they live in Miami), but we could be having Indian summer.

When they were here a couple of years ago in the spring we got about 1/2” of snow and she was like OMG WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!! She’s an Aussie, never saw snow before.

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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:27:53am

ProgsToday is on a tear - he really should just delete his twitter. So much BS packed into 140 characters. Of course, his followers are jumping to his “defense”.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:28:02am

re: #381 freetoken

?????

Polish Explorer Says He’s Found Alleged Hitler Nuke Shelter

Translation: he wants money to fund this wild goose chase.

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Kryptik  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:28:26am

Sweet merciful christ, I’m already politically depressed enough, seeing the politicaly diarrhea that’s already started today has be ready to take up drinking. Assholes own our political discourse wholesale and it feels like it’s to the point that trying to fight them just feeds them even more and drives people away into their arms. And the feeling that fighting just makes things worse just makes me want to curl up and die at this rate.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:28:31am

re: #376 freetoken

The NBC family appears to have spent yesterday trying to come up with the most non-sensical headlines on science stories. From the NBC news website:

‘Mind Blown’: Is Human Ancestor Discovery the Long-Sought Missing Link?

No. There are no “missing links”.

Again, the headline writer didn’t care about the science. The headline is meant to be click-bait.

I want to add that you shouldn’t be glum about this story. Think of all the fun you can have mocking creationists who will in frothing fits, screaming “I AIN’T NO KIN TO NO MONKEY!!!11.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:30:22am

re: #324 Nyet

OK, this speech is good:

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But the twitter-slinging is childish.

Seems rather in kind to me.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:31:38am

Two Michigsn Republicans are now unemployed and waiting in line at the Republican Grift-a-thon offices for new gigs after having an affair. I can’t be bothered now to dig into their legislative history to see how hypocritical they are, but it’s a safe bet that it is “very”.

cnn.com

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Great White Snark  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:32:45am

Today of all days, this day of remembrance, well I have less patience for anything but just remembering the people lost. To me just imho we have another 364 days each year to debate the debates of 9/11, GWB Iraq and all that. Today is remembrance and maybe some healing.

Edit-No disrespect to anyone, especially here.

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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:32:57am
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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:33:41am

Bomb blast hits Nigerian internally displaced persons camp

A bomb blast hit a Nigerian internally displaced persons (IDP)camp on Friday morning on the outskirts of Adamawa state capital Yola in the northeast of the country, a spokesman for the government emergency agency said.

The blast is the first such attack on an IDP camp in Nigeria and went off at a camp at a school in the hamlet of Malkohi, spokesman Manzo Ezekiel of the National Emergency Management Agency said.

The six-year insurgency waged by Islamist jihadi group Boko Haram has displaced about 2.1 million people and killed thousands. (Reporting By Julia Payne in Abuja and Emma Ande in Yola; Editing by Catherine Evans)

I understand Europe’s current fixation with Syrian refugees, but here’s an example of an equally as large a problem that seems to have been forced out of the mindspace of Westerners.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:35:20am

re: #381 freetoken

I’d just like it if these rumors yield some stored Kar98ks and G43s. I’d like a restored example of one or both of those rifles. Note: Rifles not pistols, and neither holds more than 10 rounds. So these are not ‘assault weapons’, and I’m not being an ammosexual.

As for any heavy weapons like tanks or an artillery car from an armored train, those belong in museums.

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Dark_Falcon  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:38:12am

Stop being so glum, freetoken, its New York Fashion Week!

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:38:18am

re: #361 lawhawk

re: #367 thedopefishlives

I don’t believe that Bush or Cheney wanted 9/11 to happen. But they did want any plausible reason they could get to invade Iraq. They (the PNAC crowd, including Jeb!) signed letters to Bill Clinton back in the 90’s about invading Iraq.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:41:39am

re: #380 Timothy Watson

I’ve seen a photo that claims to be of Bush, Cheney, Rice, and some Saudi prince laughing it up a day or two after 9/11. Anyone know if that’s an accurate description?

Even if it is true, a lot of people deal with tragedy using black humor. It’s an innate human thing. While, if true, it may be infuriating on the outside, without knowing the circumstances, even I (who hates Cheney with most of my being) wouldn’t be able to say much.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:42:41am

re: #389 GlutenFreeJesus

Two Michigsn Republicans are now unemployed and waiting in line at the Republican Grift-a-thon offices for new gigs after having an affair. I can’t be bothered now to dig into their legislative history to see how hypocritical they are, but it’s a safe bet that it is “very”.

cnn.com

They are “Tea Party Patriots” so, super hyper hypocrites.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:43:39am

re: #395 WhatEVs

I don’t believe that Bush or Cheney wanted 9/11 to happen. But they did want any plausible reason they could get to invade Iraq. They (the PNAC crowd, including Jeb!) signed letters to Bill Clinton back in the 90’s about invading Iraq.

Lies that led to Iraq War

Anything to go to war in Iraq. Some people got exactly what they wanted.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:43:45am

re: #389 GlutenFreeJesus

Two Michigsn Republicans are now unemployed and waiting in line at the Republican Grift-a-thon offices for new gigs after having an affair. I can’t be bothered now to dig into their legislative history to see how hypocritical they are, but it’s a safe bet that it is “very”.

cnn.com

Given they’re Republicans, I bet hypocrisy is their middle name.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:45:44am

re: #389 GlutenFreeJesus

Two Michigsn Republicans are now unemployed and waiting in line at the Republican Grift-a-thon offices for new gigs after having an affair. I can’t be bothered now to dig into their legislative history to see how hypocritical they are, but it’s a safe bet that it is “very”.

cnn.com

Ya know, we all read weird political shit all the time. There are more political sex scandals than I can remember, but this one is possibly the weirdest I can think of. I probably shouldn’t laugh, but this one really makes me LOL.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:46:19am

What I will never get over is how critics of Bush’s foreign policy were treated. I see wingnuts cry about how they’re treated when they criticize Obama policies and I just have to laugh. Nothing like being called anti-American or a Saddam Hussein supporter since you thought invading Iraq was a bad idea. I will never forgive the Bush administration for the propaganda battles it waged through its media allies on war opponents. I can and do forgive people who supported the war because people are allowed to disagree but the way critics were treated by that administration is something I will never forget. Sorry, I know today’s supposed to be about remembering the victims and heroes of 9/11 but it just makes me angry because the administration used that tragedy to push for war in Iraq and now I see they’re doing the same with Iran.

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freetoken  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:47:15am

Abbott fights environmental ‘lawfare’ in Australia

[…]

So-called environmental “lawfare” is putting jobs at risk, according to Australian Industry Minister Ian MacFarlane. He claims that tens of thousands of jobs would be at stake if the Carmichael mine does not go ahead - despite Adani’s own forecasts of 1,464 that jobs would be created.

MacFarlane criticized how one development project after another is apparently being held up in various Australian courts. “Environment groups are taking this war against development to a whole new level,” he said.

Ben Oquist - executive director of the Australia Institute - pointed out that of the 5,500 projects that have gone through this legal procedure, only 33 ended up in federal court.

Of those, only six were legally successful - and only two have been stopped by a third-party appeal, Oquist told DW. “It’s a deliberate distraction from the government,” he added.

Lawyers from the New South Wales Environmental Defenders Office, who acted on behalf of the Mackay Conservation Group, described the government’s reaction as extraordinary. Executive director Jeff Smith said all Australians have the right to use the courts.

“There’s no evidence that environment groups were using the courts vexatiously or inappropriately,” Smith told DW. “In fact, a review of the act after 10 years found that the laws were working well, and that the provisions should be strengthened.”

[…]

The claims of the current Aussie gov’t just don’t hold up. But don’t blame them too much, they’re just doing the bidding of their owner:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:48:15am

re: #402 freetoken

Abbott fights environmental ‘lawfare’ in Australia

The claims of the current Aussie gov’t just don’t hold up. But don’t blame them too much, they’re just doing the bidding of their owner:

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I guess you could say Tony Abbott is an Aussie Scott Walker. Does whatever his corporate bosses tell him to do.

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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:49:49am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

I particularly love how idiots like ProgsToday think I’m a terror-sympathizer/Islamist excuser.

Never mind I’ve been writing about terrorism well before 9/11. And been writing about the Middle East for going on 20+ years.

Also, apparently if you disagree with Bibi you’re wrong. Even though Bibi has been wrong about Iran being 3-5 years (or now within months) of building nukes for 19+ years. Let’s just ignore that he’s been consistently wrong about Iranian capabilities.

Or that even Israel was willing to work with Iran when it suited them (like say during the Iran-Contra mess).

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:52:40am

re: #404 lawhawk

I particularly love how idiots like ProgsToday think I’m a terror-sympathizer/Islamist excuser.

Never mind I’ve been writing about terrorism well before 9/11. And been writing about the Middle East for going on 20+ years.

Also, apparently if you disagree with Bibi you’re wrong. Even though Bibi has been wrong about Iran being 3-5 years (or now within months) of building nukes for 19+ years. Let’s just ignore that he’s been consistently wrong about Iranian capabilities.

Or that even Israel was willing to work with Iran when it suited them (like say during the Iran-Contra mess).

According to Ben Shapiro, you and I are not “real Jews”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:53:18am

re: #404 lawhawk

I particularly love how idiots like ProgsToday think I’m a terror-sympathizer/Islamist excuser.

Never mind I’ve been writing about terrorism well before 9/11. And been writing about the Middle East for going on 20+ years.

Also, apparently if you disagree with Bibi you’re wrong. Even though Bibi has been wrong about Iran being 3-5 years (or now within months) of building nukes for 19+ years. Let’s just ignore that he’s been consistently wrong about Iranian capabilities.

Or that even Israel was willing to work with Iran when it suited them (like say during the Iran-Contra mess).

Yeah Bibi just isn’t credible. And regarding terrorism, I was one of the few people my age who had heard of Bin Laden before the attacks since he was on the FBI’s most wanted for the Kenya attacks. But you’re right, the Israelis have worked with the Iranians when it suited their interests and I don’t get how Obama is some kind of appeaser for doing so. It’s like every deal with a hostile power is made out to be a remake of the Chamberlain-Hitler Munich deal.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:53:26am

You have got to be kidding me.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:55:23am

re: #407 WhatEVs

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:55:38am

re: #405 The Vicious Babushka

According to Ben Shapiro, you and I are not “real Jews”

Which from my outsider looking in position finds disgusting. “You’re not a real Jew if you support Obama” even though polls suggest that American Jews support the President more than the national average. But of course the big thing is groups are allowed to have different opinions within each other. I may despise Hannity, O’Reilly but I don’t think they’re not “real Irish-Americans”, granted the Jewish cultural identity is a different animal than that but you get what I mean.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:56:27am

re: #407 WhatEVs

You have got to be kidding me.

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Uh huh.

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b.d.  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:56:58am

re: #407 WhatEVs

You have got to be kidding me.

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That is a two year old tweet that Donald cowardly deleted this AM.

Perfect reflection of the GOP whether they like it or admit it.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:57:03am

Whether they wanted it or not is a bit of a red herring. They were consciously ready to cynically exploit the first available opportunity.

Written before the September 11 attacks, and during political debates of the War in Iraq, a section of Rebuilding America’s Defenses entitled “Creating Tomorrow’s Dominant Force” became the subject of considerable controversy. The passage suggested that the transformation of American armed forces through “new technologies and operational concepts” was likely to be a long one, “absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor.”[

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b.d.  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:58:04am

re: #411 b.d.

That is a two year old tweet that Donald cowardly deleted this AM.

Perfect reflection of the GOP whether they like it or admit it.

Wow, I read somewhere this AM that he deleted that tweet, I guess he hasn’t gotten around to that yet.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:58:29am

Just a quick etiquette reminder. It is completely wrong to politicize this day. It is acceptable to point out historical facts like, the attack was successful because of the flawed policies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Politicizing is right out though.

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darthstar  Sep 11, 2015 • 6:59:02am

re: #341 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

“I won’t be libeled.”

ROTFLAMAO

yeah, upchuck or his clone.

Probably just a lame attempt to get someone to say something inflammatory so they could put it up on their stalker blog…does Daedalus still exist?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:00:35am

After seeing that a good amount of Republican voters blame Obama for Katrina. I wonder how many blame him for 9/11.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:01:02am

re: #411 b.d.

That is a two year old tweet that Donald cowardly deleted this AM.

Perfect reflection of the GOP whether they like it or admit it.

POD- Party of Dicks.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:02:35am

re: #414 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Just a quick etiquette reminder. It is completely wrong to politicize this day. It is acceptable to point out historical facts like, the attack was successful because of the flawed policies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Politicizing is right out though.

There are “historical facts….that the attack was successful because of the flawed policies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama”?

1. WTF?
2. That IS politicizing this day.
3. There is no etiquette in this country any longer.
4. As soon at the right stops politicizing every and any moment, I’d gladly step back. Until time, fuck that shit.

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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:02:44am

A moment of grace - from yesterday’s rainy weather in NYC metro:

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:03:36am

re: #415 darthstar

Nah, it’s a true blue moonbat.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:03:50am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

After seeing that a good amount of Republican voters blame Obama for Katrina. I wonder how many blame him for 9/11.

More than you could ever imagine. Like mid double digits. This is from LA only. But I remember a national poll some time ago and GOPers were in the 40% plus range.

huffingtonpost.com

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:04:21am

re: #350 The Vicious Babushka

Example of the #tcot trainwreck==>

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:05:09am

This should be fun.

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Nyet  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:05:37am

Everything is politics. Especially 9/11.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:05:37am

re: #414 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Just a quick etiquette reminder. It is completely wrong to politicize this day. It is acceptable to point out historical facts like, the attack was successful because of the flawed policies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Politicizing is right out though.

Nice Typo.

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Kryptik  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:06:06am

re: #418 Dr. Matt

Tweak your sarcasm detector a little bit.

re: #416 HappyWarrior

I personally blame Obama for the 1977 NYC Blackout and the Challenger Explosion. Media simply doesn’t want to tell you the truth of his Time Travel Terrorism.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:08:16am

“You’re either with us, or with the terrorists!”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:08:19am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

After seeing that a good amount of Republican voters blame Obama for Katrina. I wonder how many blame him for 9/11.

History has been replaced by narrative for them. They know things without the need for study or thought. They know, for instance, that Obama’s great-uncle flew a torpedo plane at Pearl Harbor. They know that the liberals are delusional when they say that there was Republican in the White House between Clinton and Obama.

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ObserverArt  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:09:05am

Hey all. Just wanted to log in and say hello. I think today is a pretty good day to lie low.

I know a lot of people like to take today to think of the 3000 or so killed in the 9-11 attacks.

I don’t know if it is wrong to say this, but I think we should also think about the people in the middle east that lost their lives in the wars that came after. Many of them were caught up in something they did not create or deserve. Yes, that is my opinion.

I happen to think it is all tragic, and in some ways a bit of an eye for and eye and it really does seem it has made a whole lot of people blind.

I remember all the talk about how 9-11 would unit this country like it hasn’t been united in a long time. How long did that last?

Have a good day all. I’ll go with an old John Lennon song “Give peace a chance.” We never really seem to. And remember, even those like Lennon that called for peace ended up dying through violence. Humans.

John Lennon - Give Peace A Chance

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:09:56am

You just know that the usual suspects are going to find with Obama’s words today. Hard to believe it’s been re: #421 WhatEVs

More than you could ever imagine. Like mid double digits. This is from LA only. But I remember a national poll some time ago and GOPers were in the 40% plus range.

huffingtonpost.com

Yeesh. That high? They truly are deranged. Easy to see why Trump is so popular with the base.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:10:35am

re: #425 The Vicious Babushka

Nice Typo.

I thought that working in “Democrat party” would be too over the top.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:10:41am

re: #407 WhatEVs

You have got to be kidding me.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:10:50am
Perhaps some Republicans can be accused of loving liberty and freedom too much — or at least using those words as rhetorical crutches.

Noooooo. Never.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:11:01am

re: #423 WhatEVs

This should be fun.

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Carson: The “thinking” Republican’s candidate. It amazes me that they think Obama was totally unqualified but this guy who I think this is his first run for any office ever is.

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b.d.  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:11:12am

re: #427 GlutenFreeJesus

“You’re either with us, or with the terrorists!”

“This crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take a while.” -GWB

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:11:34am

My recollection of 9/11 is odd. I was working and did not have a cell phone or high speed internet access at the time, so I heard about it very piecemeal. I assumed that the reports of the towers’ collapse were hyperbole until I got home that night.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:11:35am

re: #432 No Country For Old Haters

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Honestly, the Twitter account is less crazy than the real thing.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:14:18am

re: #414 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Just a quick etiquette reminder. It is completely wrong to politicize this day. It is acceptable to point out historical facts like, the attack was successful because of the flawed policies of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama. Politicizing is right out though.

Thanks for this reminder.

Also BENGHAZI!!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:14:39am

I think the first plane hit the building towards the end of my first period math class. Obviously the TVs weren’t on then but by the time I got to my next class, world history the TV was on and everyone was just stunned. I don’t know if other schools did this but we got sent home for the day. I walked home and my mom who is a lifer in the federal government was there as were my grandparents. It was just stunning. My Dad tells me he found out about it listening to Howard Stern and thinking it was a re-run because of the ‘93 attack.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:15:06am
Roe v. Wade recognized that the right to abort an unborn child was a “fundamental right” protected by the Due Process Clause. 410 U.S., at 155. The Roe Court, however, made no attempt to establish that this right was ” ‘deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradition’ “; instead, it based its conclusion that “the Fourteenth Amendment’s concept of personal liberty … is broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy” on its own normative judgment that anti-abortion laws were undesirable. See id., at 153. We have since rejected Roe’s holding that regulations of abortion must be narrowly tailored to serve a compelling state interest, see Planned Parenthood v. Casey, 505 U.S., at 876 (joint opinion of O’Connor, Kennedy, and Souter, JJ.); id., at 951—953 (Rehnquist, C. J., concurring in judgment in part and dissenting in part)-and thus, by logical implication, Roe’s holding that the right to abort an unborn child is a “fundamental right.” See 505 U.S., at 843—912 (joint opinion of O’Connor, Kennedy, and Souter, JJ.) (not once describing abortion as a “fundamental right” or a “fundamental liberty interest”).

hmmmmm

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:17:26am

re: #362 Dr. Matt

And some continue with a photo-op by reading children stories about pet goats.

Face it, if that was Joe Biden rather than Dick Cheney, you and your fellow GOP/TPers and the librul MSM would be blasting Biden for being so relaxed and comfortable on the nation’s biggest disaster.

Sorry, I can’t give you that. Bush did the right thing by not alarming the children. I think it was less than 5 minutes he delayed.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:18:16am

re: #367 thedopefishlives

Alright, I’m going to catch a lot of hell for this, but let’s just get it out: There are a lot of reasons to dislike Bush and outright hate Dick Cheney, but let’s not accuse either of them of explicit malice with regard to 9/11. Nobody wanted 9/11 to happen except the dead fuckers who made it happen.

QFT

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Kryptik  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:18:21am

re: #429 ObserverArt

I happen to think it is all tragic, and in some ways a bit of an eye for and eye and it really does seem it has made a whole lot of people blind.

I remember all the talk about how 9-11 would unit this country like it hasn’t been united in a long time. How long did that last?

I was in NYC when 9/11 happened for school. I had been there all of 5 days before it happened, and in the aftermath, I heard of the attacks on Sikh shopowners, saw stickers put up around the city stating “Islam is NOT The Enemy” consistently have the “not” scratched out, and had drunken idiots approach me while I was getting late night pizza call me a terrorist and ask if the paper bag I had a pizza in was a bomb. They were clearly joking, but considering I look about as far away from a middle easterner as a brown person can, and had no distinguishing marks or clothing to mark me as a middle easterner or Muslim, I got plenty of perspective. It’s also why I continue to insist that there will always be a racial impetus when the anti-Islam shit goes around, because idiots will judge people for being Muslim not on their actual believes but whether they ‘Look the part’, even when they don’t even (how the fuck do you mistake a Filipino with no discernible Muslim clothing or elements for being a Muslim without making a racist assumption after all?).

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:19:12am

re: #369 William Lewis

The problem is that they did want, desperately, an excuse to cause a war in Iraq.

Yes, that I believe.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:20:23am

Is it just me or has the anti Muslim hatred gotten worse? I am not Muslim so I cannot speak to what my Muslim classmates and friends went through but I do not remember any outright hostility to them following the attacks but granted we do live in a more liberal area than most.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:20:32am

re: #375 GlutenFreeJesus

The U.S. Govt. wasn’t responsible for 9/11, but certain factions within saw it as an opportunity, not a tragedy.

Of course, “Chaos is a Ladder”

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Timothy Watson  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:22:43am

re: #436 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

My recollection of 9/11 is odd. I was working and did not have a cell phone or high speed internet access at the time, so I heard about it very piecemeal. I assumed that the reports of the towers’ collapse were hyperbole until I got home that night.

I was a freshmen in high school. I remember coming out of gym class for lunch and there was this weird tension in the air, and there was a teacher or administrative staff right out of the locker-room door watching one of the building’s exits.

After lunch, I remember going into one of the bathrooms and one student said to another that someone had bombed the Pentagon and I was like “what?” and in the next class after lunch, the teacher told us about the planes hitting the World Trade Center and I was imagining something like a Cessna, not a jumbo jet, but he didn’t mention the collapse of the buildings (I am on the East Coast, so this was around 12:30 or so probably). I didn’t find out the extent of the attacks until I got home from school.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:23:15am

re: #419 lawhawk

A moment of grace - from yesterday’s rainy weather in NYC metro:

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that is beautiful

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:23:20am

As far as the policy swirling around the administration, I felt that the Cheney administration was ready to restart the Cold War and add the Chinese to a new theater. Terrorism was a distraction to them.I actually remember telling somebody that a suicide bomber could hijack a plane and crash it (but only once); everybody would just assume the hijacker would land the plane and make threats and demands. Did not expect it would be done on a large scale; that wasn’t my job, but it was somebody’s job.
As far as going after Iraq, I don’t think it was a priority before 9/11. As I said above, the administration was more interested in Russia and China, especially in light of the experts they listened to. I do think that when the war on terror got rolling, they thought Iraq was lower hanging fruit than Afghanistan and would give “us” a better strategic position to chase Al Qaeda through the Middle East. Never bought into the idea that W. was trying to avenge an attempt against his father, or that Cheney was trying to finish the job of Desert Storm.
However, I knew that W would give the terrorists everything they could have wanted and more, which we did by overreacting and throwing away our freedoms and ideals in exchange for safety.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:24:53am

re: #441 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Sorry, I can’t give you that. Bush did the right thing by not alarming the children. I think it was less than 5 minutes he delayed.

Agreed. I was very critical of Bush at the time and that embarrasses me. If I would have thought as a parent instead of as a partisan I would have realized that Bush did the right thing for those children. Things were already well past the point where five minutes would make a difference.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:25:48am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Is it just me or has the anti Muslim hatred gotten worse? I am not Muslim so I cannot speak to what my Muslim classmates and friends went through but I do not remember any outright hostility to them following the attacks but granted we do live in a more liberal area than most.

I think the whacko’s among all religious groups have make the fractions worse. It’s difficult to know how to communicate to people without offending them —easier to just not talk at all.

Which is hard for me to do …

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:26:10am

I was on the way to a doctor appointment when the first attack happened. Being the trusting sap that I am, I thought…what pilot would allow that to happen? Why didn’t he dump a troubled plane into the river?

When I got back from the doctor, I heard about tower 2. I *still* didn’t wrap my head around terrorism. I was confused and just did not get it. It took a few hours before I really got what happened.

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:26:19am

re: #450 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Agreed. I was very critical of Bush at the time and that embarrasses me. If I would have thought as a parent instead of as a partisan I would have realized that Bush did the right thing for those children. Things were already well past the point where five minutes would make a difference.

Children ALWAYS come first.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:26:53am

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Of course it is still early in the day, there will be MOAR STUPIDS

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I Stand With Planned Parenthood  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:27:34am

I’ve been putting together a post about important dates in history regarding marriage and american law —I accidently deleted my first completed version and then the second.

Think the universe is trying to tell me something?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:27:49am

re: #447 Timothy Watson

I was a freshmen in high school. I remember coming out of gym class for lunch and there was this weird tension in the air, and there was a teacher or administrative staff right out of the locker-room door watching one of the building’s exits.

After lunch, I remember going into one of the bathrooms and one student said to another that someone had bombed the Pentagon and I was like “what?” and in the next class after lunch, the teacher told us about the planes hitting the World Trade Center and I was imagining something like a Cessna, not a jumbo jet, but he didn’t mention the collapse of the buildings (I am on the East Coast, so this was around 12:30 or so probably). I didn’t find out the extent of the attacks until I got home from school.

I didn’t realize that we were the same age. I remember the TV being on once I got to history class around 9 or 9:30 or so but my memory could be off. It was really crazy since the following fall we had the DC sniper attacks and I remember we had to stay indoors during gym. Muhammmad and Malvo thankfully never came near where I lived but the school obviously would rather be safe than sorry.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:28:27am

Not long after 9/11, the President addressed the country. It coincided with a FLyers preseason game, and when the speech started, the fans started chanted “Speech, speech” and the game was halted and the speech played on the big screens. Seven years later they booed the shit out of Sarah Palin when she dropped the first puck at a game!

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:29:34am

re: #453 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Children ALWAYS come first.

They do. On reflection, I think that only a sociopath could have immediately leaped to his feet and barked out orders.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:29:38am

re: #450 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Agreed. I was very critical of Bush at the time and that embarrasses me. If I would have thought as a parent instead of as a partisan I would have realized that Bush did the right thing for those children. Things were already well past the point where five minutes would make a difference.

I have to agree here. Lord knows I had and still do have a lot of legitimate gripes with Bush but I think he handled that as well as he could given the situation. What I cannot defend though is how Bush handled Afghanistan. I really thought we messed up big time by switiching gears to to Iraq not even two years after 9/11.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:29:45am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

I think the first plane hit the building towards the end of my first period math class. Obviously the TVs weren’t on then but by the time I got to my next class, world history the TV was on and everyone was just stunned. I don’t know if other schools did this but we got sent home for the day. I walked home and my mom who is a lifer in the federal government was there as were my grandparents. It was just stunning. My Dad tells me he found out about it listening to Howard Stern and thinking it was a re-run because of the ‘93 attack.

The first plane would’ve hit while I was in my first period class. My second period class started just after the second plane hit; I know, because this was the moment I found out. While I was at my locker exchanging books, my second-period teacher ran next door to another classroom and asked the teacher inside, “Did you see that? Another one just hit!” It was at that point that I officially knew something bad had happened. I sprinted across the hall from my locker to the classroom, just in time to see a replay of a large airliner exploding against the face of the South Tower on live TV. We stayed in school; our fifth period English teacher did not have the TV on, but we talked about world politics and events instead of actual class topics. The rest of the day we spent watching. That night, at work in our little small-town hardware store, I watched the President’s address from a TV we turned on in our Radio Shack display.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:30:35am

re: #457 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Not long after 9/11, the President addressed the country. It coincided with a FLyers preseason game, and when the speech started, the fans started chanted “Speech, speech” and the game was halted and the speech played on the big screens. Seven years later they booed the shit out of Sarah Palin when she dropped the first puck at a game!

For all George W. Bush’s failings as President, I can say this as someone who had what his defenders would call “BDS” his first term but the man was never Sarah Palin.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:30:59am

I was a senior in high school at the time; mine was the 9/11 Class.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:32:30am

re: #460 thedopefishlives

The first plane would’ve hit while I was in my first period class. My second period class started just after the second plane hit; I know, because this was the moment I found out. While I was at my locker exchanging books, my second-period teacher ran next door to another classroom and asked the teacher inside, “Did you see that? Another one just hit!” It was at that point that I officially knew something bad had happened. I sprinted across the hall from my locker to the classroom, just in time to see a replay of a large airliner exploding against the face of the South Tower on live TV. We stayed in school; our fifth period English teacher did not have the TV on, but we talked about world politics and events instead of actual class topics. The rest of the day we spent watching. That night, at work in our little small-town hardware store, I watched the President’s address from a TV we turned on in our Radio Shack display.

Sounds about right. I was the second person to arrive to my second period class and the TV was on. I still remember my exact thoughts when I saw it- I thought it was a drunk pilot. And then the second plane hit. This really was our generation’s Pearl Harbor and JFK assassination moment. And I know my niece’s generation will have a generation defining event like this. I hope for her and the other kids’ sake, it’s a positive one like Armstrong on the moon.

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b.d.  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:32:31am

re: #454 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST MEME OF THE DAY==>
Of course it is still early in the day, there will be MOAR STUPIDS

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No grey hair on POTUS should be a clue to those dumbasses and the fact that their kids are no longer toddlers.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:33:03am

re: #462 thedopefishlives

I was a senior in high school at the time; mine was the 9/11 Class.

Man, you guys are making me feel old…j/k

Was a Senior in College. Had no class that day. Had on the TV on and watched from the moment coverage broke in.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:33:16am

Other than the attacks themselves, I remember the week after. I live north of Chicago. It’s populated here. Always traffic. But for that whole week afterwards, it was a ghost town. Hardly saw anyone driving around. Even Walmart/Target/grocery stores were ghost towns. I’ll never forget how eerie that was.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:33:36am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

I have to agree here. Lord knows I had and still do have a lot of legitimate gripes with Bush but I think he handled that as well as he could given the situation. What I cannot defend though is how Bush handled Afghanistan. I really thought we messed up big time by switiching gears to to Iraq not even two years after 9/11.

Speaking as a military person and a very amateur historian, I found their conduct of war appalling.

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SteveMcGaziBolaGate  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:33:49am

re: #461 HappyWarrior

For all George W. Bush’s failings as President, I can say this as someone who had what his defenders would call “BDS” his first term but the man was never Sarah Palin.

Suppose he had been a running mate in 2008…
He would have done whatever he was told. He isn’t rotten to the core (like Caribou Barbie), but he would have justified just about anything.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:34:23am

re: #466 GlutenFreeJesus

Other than the attacks themselves, I remember the week after. I live north of Chicago. It’s populated here. Always traffic. But for that whole week afterwards, it was a ghost town. Hardly saw anyone driving around. Even Walmart/Target/grocery stores were ghost towns. I’ll never forget how eerie that was.

I lived southeast of Chicago at that time, right under the O’Hare flight path. The skies were brilliant blue and completely free of contrails. The silence and empty space were a little daunting.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:35:55am

re: #464 b.d.

No grey hair on POTUS should be a clue to those dumbasses and the fact that their kids are no longer toddlers.

Malia I think graduates this year I think or fuck sake. It should be obvious that this isn’t them celebrating 9/11. It’s I bet an old birthday photo. These people just want to believe whatever hateful crap about the first family they want to.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:36:04am

re: #464 b.d.

No grey hair on POTUS should be a clue to those dumbasses and the fact that their kids are no longer toddlers.

Someone took a picture of Obama’s birthday party 11 years ago, in August, and uses that to claim this is what they were doing on 9/11 and SHOULD BE INPEECHED1!!!!1!!!

I looked through that timeline to see if it is a parody but it doesn’t look like it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:37:06am

re: #468 SteveMcGaziBolaGate

Suppose he had been a running mate in 2008…
He would have done whatever he was told. He isn’t rotten to the core (like Caribou Barbie), but he would have justified just about anything.

I get that but I really can’t put W in the same sentence as Palin. This is me damning with faint praise.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:38:29am

I remember that night, when I got home from work, my dad dragged me out because he was going to try to fill up all our trucks with gas before things got completely out of hand. It was a little late for that. Lines at the gas station were 1/4 mile long by the time we got down there. He was fuming mad, but there wasn’t really anything we could do about it.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:38:30am

re: #467 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Speaking as a military person and a very amateur historian, I found their conduct of war appalling.

So did a lot of policy veterans from his Dad’s team IIRC. President Ford also was against the Iraq Invasion though he never came out publicly against like Carter did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:39:16am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

Someone took a picture of Obama’s birthday party 11 years ago, in August, and uses that to claim this is what they were doing on 9/11 and SHOULD BE INPEECHED1!!!!1!!!

I looked through that timeline to see if it is a parody but it doesn’t look like it.

The 43 on the cake symbolizes the number of times he has openly violated his oath to uphold the Constitution (not counting the times he has done it secretly)

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:39:42am

re: #471 The Vicious Babushka

Someone took a picture of Obama’s birthday party 11 years ago, in August, and uses that to claim this is what they were doing on 9/11 and SHOULD BE INPEECHED1!!!!1!!!

I looked through that timeline to see if it is a parody but it doesn’t look like it.

It’s really one of the worst pieces of confirmation bias you’ll see. It’s obviously for his 43rd birthday.

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Kryptik  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:40:02am

Well….

Capcom revealed a new character for their long-running Street Fighter series, and it was a Middle Eastern character named Rashid. American fan reaction has been what you would expect considering the date, forget that the reveal was at a game event in Dubai.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:40:11am

re: #475 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

The 43 on the cake symbolizes the number of times he has openly violated his oath to uphold the Constitution (not counting the times he has cone it secretly)

I thought the 43 was the number of guys he’s slept with. //

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:41:17am

re: #477 Kryptik

Well….

Capcom revealed a new character for their long-running Street Fighter series, and it was a Middle Eastern character named Rashid. American fan reaction has been what you would expect considering the date, forget that the reveal was at a game event in Dubai.

Always was more of a MK and Tekken guy but that should be neat. Not too familiar with Middle Eastern martial arts styles.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:41:47am

re: #478 HappyWarrior

I thought the 43 was the number of guys he’s slept with. //

No, silly, he was secretly gay married, remember? 43 is probably something to do with Life, the Universe, and Everything.///

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:43:28am

re: #480 thedopefishlives

No, silly, he was secretly gay married, remember? 43 is probably something to do with Life, the Universe, and Everything.///

Ohhhhhhhhh. //

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Kryptik  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:46:08am

re: #479 HappyWarrior

It’s going to be interesting, considering that while Street Fighter has always relied on long standing stereotypes and martial arts media archetypes regarding character design (All-American soldier, Indian yogi, serious Japanese karate master, brutish boxer, etc.), they’ve gone off the wall with recent designs (bright red-skinned oil (as in cooking oil) magnate that uses Turkish oil wrestling as a style comes to mind). So it’s going to be interesting to see what they come up with for the new character.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:48:48am

re: #482 Kryptik

It’s going to be interesting, considering that while Street Fighter has always relied on long standing stereotypes and martial arts media archetypes regarding character design (All-American soldier, Indian yogi, serious Japanese karate master, brutish boxer, etc.), they’ve gone off the wall with recent designs (bright red-skinned oil (as in cooking oil) magnate that uses Turkish oil wrestling as a style comes to mind). So it’s going to be interesting to see what they come up with for the new character.

Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. It amazes me how worked up people get over video games. I mean I’m a gamer too but some of these people are nuts.

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:48:50am

re: #439 HappyWarrior

I think the first plane hit the building towards the end of my first period math class. Obviously the TVs weren’t on then but by the time I got to my next class, world history the TV was on and everyone was just stunned. I don’t know if other schools did this but we got sent home for the day. I walked home and my mom who is a lifer in the federal government was there as were my grandparents. It was just stunning. My Dad tells me he found out about it listening to Howard Stern and thinking it was a re-run because of the ‘93 attack.

Yeah, I went to get a car from the motor pool to go to Louisville that morning, and somebody said something about it that I didn’t really understand until I turned on Howard and then I was listening to coverage for an hour while driving.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:51:13am

re: #484 aagcobb

Yeah, I went to get a car from the motor pool to go to Louisville that morning, and somebody said something about it that I didn’t really understand until I turned on Howard and then I was listening to coverage for an hour while driving.

It was just so stunning. That was such a crazy year for me- my kid brother was born that year, I started high school, and attended my first ever funeral.

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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:51:34am

How “presidential”. His feed is replete with this kind of stuff. So of course, the right wing is gobbling it up.

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blueraven  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:54:34am

re: #486 lawhawk

Not deleted

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:55:00am

re: #486 lawhawk

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How “presidential”. His feed is replete with this kind of stuff. So of course, the right wing is gobbling it up.

He always acts like a classless asshole. Really says alot about his party that he’s so popular.

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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 7:59:56am

re: #487 blueraven

The original was deleted - the retweet quote remains.

And he always seems to attach “haters and losers” to all of his email commemorations.

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#CampaignZero  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:00:48am

The rolling Stone reporter said that his off the cuff stream of thought is that of a 14 year old.

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blueraven  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:01:44am

re: #489 lawhawk

The original was deleted - the retweet quote remains.

And he always seems to attach “haters and losers” to all of his email commemorations.

Ah…I don’t really “get” twitter.

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Fourth Football of the Apocalypse  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:02:01am

re: #487 blueraven

“@realDonaldTrump: I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.”
— Donald J. Trump

What does this even mean?

Oh wait, sorry, it’s Donald Trump.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:04:25am

Video Of A Fighter Landing On A Carrier In A Sandstorm

Landing on a carrier in a sand storm

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:08:23am

re: #441 I Stand With Planned Parenthood

Sorry, I can’t give you that. Bush did the right thing by not alarming the children. I think it was less than 5 minutes he delayed.

“By not alarming the children”??? HAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, getting up and walking out while the country is under attack….how “alarming”. I’m sure those children would still need counseling today because the POTUS stood up and walked out in the middle of story time….you know, while the country was under fucking attack. For fuck’s sake.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:09:46am

re: #494 Dr. Matt

“By not alarming the children”??? HAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, getting up and walking out while the country is under attack….how “alarming”. I’m sure those children would still need counseling today because the POTUS stood up and walked out in the middle of story time….you know, while the country was under fucking attack. For fuck’s sake.

Hey, Bush wanted to know the end of the story!

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Nojay UK  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:09:58am

I was staying with friends north of Atlanta in September 2001 when I was woken up on the morning of the 11th and told to come and watch what was happening on the TV. I was supposed to fly home two days later on the 13th, this didn’t happen.

I went to an anime event that weekend instead, near Hartsfield airport. I spoke with some American fans about the attacks and I reckoned that the US would lose its shit for at least the next six months before getting back to normal — there had already been reports of Sikhs being attacked for whatever reason or lack of it. The USians I spoke to poo-poohed the idea that it would take that long to recover.

I flew home to Britain the following week and by that time the only armed Federal agents available to provide security at the airport were people wearing BATF jackets hogging the doughnut stand. Next time I went to the States a couple of months later there were National Guardsmen carrying M-16s patrolling the airport concourse. I noticed their weapons had no magazines fitted, I presume the sergeants had them in their pockets to prevent accidents.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:10:25am

re: #491 blueraven

Ah…I don’t really “get” twitter.

I did it briefly. I am a blabbermouth and wordy as hell so it was a bad fit. I prefer political discussion on blogs like this and I am guarded about my privacy too.

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Dr. Matt  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:10:55am

re: #495 The Vicious Babushka

Hey, Bush wanted to know the end of the story!

The goat was turned into delicious curry dish.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:11:31am

re: #498 Dr. Matt

The goat was turned into delicious curry dish.

Great now I want Indian food for lunch.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:13:17am

re: #489 lawhawk

The original was deleted - the retweet quote remains.

And he always seems to attach “haters and losers” to all of his email commemorations.

Which is really weird when trying to appeal to a political party made up entirely of haters and losers.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:14:08am

re: #500 No Country For Old Haters

Which is really weird when trying to appeal to a political party made up entirely of haters and losers.

The Player Haters Ball may as well be the RNC.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:14:34am

re: #500 No Country For Old Haters

Which is really weird when trying to appeal to a political party made up entirely of haters and losers.

You think anybody is going to see “Haters & Losers” and think “Yeah that’s me!”

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:15:22am

re: #502 The Vicious Babushka

You think anybody is going to see “Haters & Losers” and think “Yeah that’s me!”

Nah just like Romney’s supporters didn’t care that he insulted them in the now infamous 47% video.

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No Country For Old Haters  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:25:10am

re: #502 The Vicious Babushka

You think anybody is going to see “Haters & Losers” and think “Yeah that’s me!”

Nope. These are the same people who think the phrase “low information voter” applies to people who vote against the foolish, destructive Conservatives. They have an upside-down worldview.

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Timothy Watson  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:30:43am

Wait until someone tells him about the rule against perpetuities.

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:32:04am

I haven’t watched this yet, but I will tonight when I get home. I don’t exactly want to start crying at work.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:32:25am

Scott Walker’s 9/11 message==>

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:32:37am

re: #505 Timothy Watson

Wait until someone tells him about the rule against perpetuities.

By that measure, the entire US tax code would be illegal.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:33:39am

re: #507 The Vicious Babushka

Conflating Benghazi and 9/11 — what a putz

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Timothy Watson  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:35:12am

re: #508 wheat-dogghazi-mailgate

By that measure, the entire US tax code would be illegal.

I have advanced tax accounting class on Mondays, tell me about it. :)

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:36:19am

re: #469 thedopefishlives

I lived southeast of Chicago at that time, right under the O’Hare flight path. The skies were brilliant blue and completely free of contrails. The silence and empty space were a little daunting.

I lived just north of Chicago and the lack of flights over the next few days was stunning in their absence. It was so eerie. I never experienced anything like that before or after.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:37:03am

Well, this is horrific. A murder-suicide of a family of five, with no survivors, in Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota.

Police officers checking the welfare of residents at a home in the west metro city of Greenwood on Thursday came upon a scene their chief called “unspeakable” — the bodies of five family members, including three teenagers.

The five bodies bore traumatic injuries and were scattered throughout the large house on Channel Drive. The deaths appeared to be a multiple murder-suicide, said South Lake Minnetonka interim Police Chief Mike Siitari.

The family — a father, mother and three teenagers — had not been seen for a couple of days at work or school, and the father’s co-workers had asked police to check on them, he said.

“This is a complex crime scene” that will take several days to sort through, Siitari said.

startribune.com

Sounds like one of those “family annihilation” crimes. Horrible. RIP.

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wheat-dogghazi-mailgate  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:37:23am

re: #510 Timothy Watson

I have advanced tax accounting class on Mondays, tell me about it. :)

You have my sympathies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:40:05am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:40:40am

re: #507 The Vicious Babushka

Scott Walker’s 9/11 message==>

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I bet his staff told him the other three’s names. Fucker has no shame.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:40:41am

re: #494 Dr. Matt

“By not alarming the children”??? HAHAHAHAHAH

Yeah, getting up and walking out while the country is under attack….how “alarming”. I’m sure those children would still need counseling today because the POTUS stood up and walked out in the middle of story time….you know, while the country was under fucking attack. For fuck’s sake.

It would have taken me a few minutes to get my head around the enormity of the thing and to choose my next step. For all Bush knew at that moment the attack could have been launched from Catalina.

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blueraven  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:40:48am

re: #506 Lidane

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I haven’t watched this yet, but I will tonight when I get home. I don’t exactly want to start crying at work.

It was very raw and, at times, quite painful to watch.

I love and admire both of these men so much.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:41:02am

re: #512 Dr Lizardo

Well, this is horrific. A murder-suicide of a family of five, with no survivors, in Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota.

startribune.com

Sounds like one of those “family annihilation” crimes. Horrible. RIP.

Oh man.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:42:36am

re: #496 Nojay UK

A friend of mine was en route from Germany to Chicago (with two dogs) when the attacks happened. She said that the pilot came on the intercom and was very upset…almost crying. She didn’t speak German but could tell something was really wrong. He mentioned New York, the only thing she understood. She was in mini-freak-out mode. He then followed his announcement in English without saying exactly what the issue was (there was a problem in NY and they were being rerouted to Toronto). It was a tense flight, even without them knowing exactly what happened.

She stayed in Toronto for a couple of days before someone was able to go pick her and the dogs up.

I wonder how it would be now with internet connections on flights. Would they shut down the internet to keep people from panicking?

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:43:20am

New Gary Clark Jr. album on Spotify. I’m digging it.

Gary Clark Jr. - The Story Of Sonny Boy Slim Album Trailer

I needed something bluesy but hopeful today.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:46:21am

I haven’t read too much about children victims of 9/11. Don’t know how many kids were on those flights. I just can’t imagine what those poor people went through. I like to think I would have been brave like the guys on United 93 but you don’t know what you’re going to do in a situation like that until you’re placed in that. Those guys: Beamer and I forget the other names, ordinary guys like you and me placed in an extraordinary situation.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:49:40am

re: #507 The Vicious Babushka

Scott Walker’s 9/11 message==>

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:50:17am

re: #518 HappyWarrior

Oh man.

Yeah….the two cases I’m familiar with are that of John List and Ronnie DeFeo - the primary difference in those two crimes are that there was a survivor (the aforementioned List and DeFeo) and the authorities were able to more easily piece together what happened and why.

Law enforcement will, most likely, eventually arrive at a theory for why this crime happened. Sad to see.

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allegro  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:51:23am

re: #517 blueraven

It was very raw and, at times, quite painful to watch.

I love and admire both of these men so much.

It’s interesting where Colbert is taking the show. He’s going for some laughs in his intros and guest bits where appropriate while devoting a significant segment to actual timely information. His interviews with both Elon Musk and the Uber guy were excellent. His interview with Biden, beautiful and moving. If he keeps this up I will become a late night TV watcher.

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:52:00am
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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:52:28am

re: #522 WhatEVs

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What pisses me off most about the people who use Benghazi to attack President Obama and Secretary Clinton is they have no concept of the fact that Benghazi hit them hard. After all they would have known the Ambassador and his family. Chris Stevens doesn’t die on that day and he’s just another “Muslim appeaser” to them:

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:53:16am

re: #523 Dr Lizardo

Yeah….the two cases I’m familiar with are that of John List and Ronnie DeFeo - the primary difference in those two crimes are that there was a survivor (the aforementioned List and DeFeo) and the authorities were able to more easily piece together what happened and why.

Law enforcement will, most likely, eventually arrive at a theory for why this crime happened. Sad to see.

Thought of those two too and also Bradford Bishop who also survived but unlike those two has never been caught.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:54:50am

re: #524 allegro

It’s interesting where Colbert is taking the show. He’s going for some laughs in his intros and guest bits where appropriate while devoting a significant segment to actual timely information. His interviews with both Elon Musk and the Uber guy were excellent. His interview with Biden, beautiful and moving. If he keeps this up I will become a late night TV watcher.

I haven’t seen any yet but I am not surprised that he’s doing well. He was a talent before the Colbert character and and like Biden knows what it’s like to lose family in a tragedy like that- for those who don’t know Stephen’s father and two of his older brothers died in a place crash when Stephen was a boy.

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whitebeach  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:56:10am

re: #494 Dr. Matt

Agree 100 percent. In that situation it is not the C-in-C ‘s job or duty to worry about interrupting a story to some kids, and he had no way of knowing whether the next several minutes were of no consequence or crucially important. His job/duty was to get up immediately, start marshaling information, and take solid charge with a view to protecting the nation rather than the tender feelings of a few school kids who were probably bored with him anyway.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:56:48am

re: #526 HappyWarrior

What pisses me off most about the people who use Benghazi to attack President Obama and Secretary Clinton is they have no concept of the fact that Benghazi hit them hard. After all they would have known the Ambassador and his family. Chris Stevens doesn’t die on that day and he’s just another “Muslim appeaser” to them:

It’s not like these conservative assholes have a modicum of respect for Stevens or the others who died. All they care about is a purpose, the purpose to attack Dems. There is no conscience in these people. No concept of right and wrong, only right and left.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:56:49am

I like Uber but I do think the could pay their employees better. I don’t think it’s right that the CEO I think takes 30% of the profits but as someone on a smaller income, I like it better than cab rides since there’s a flat rate.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2015 • 8:57:01am

re: #527 HappyWarrior

Thought of those two too and also Bradford Bishop who also survived but unlike those two has never been caught.

I’d forgotten about Bishop until you mentioned him. It’s entirely possible he’s still on the lam somewhere here in Europe (he was quite the polyglot) if he’s still alive. Being as he was a Foreign Service Officer, he’d likely know how not to get caught.

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KerFuFFler  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:01:54am

re: #326 A Mom Anon

This whole mess has turned childish. Because Trump, like a typical bully, cannot stand even the slightest perceived insult or anyone showing him up in any form. Like many other negative traits, bullying has a ripple effect and brings out more of the same.

There’s a story of Trump riding on bikes with one of his exes (Ivanna? I can’t remember) and she rode past him, beating him in some little race they were having and it pissed him off, like he got off the bike and stomped around like a spoiled brat. That’s not the temperament of anyone who needs to be in charge of anything. That’s what Trump is, a spoiled brat, period. The rest of the GOP field isn’t much better.

I thought it was skiing rather than bicycling; Ivana was a competitive skier. But I can’t find the story…

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:02:56am

re: #532 Dr Lizardo

I’d forgotten about Bishop until you mentioned him. It’s entirely possible he’s still on the lam somewhere here in Europe (he was quite the polyglot) if he’s still alive. Being as he was a Foreign Service Officer, he’d likely know how not to get caught.

There was a recent article this spring or summer in the WaPo on him I think. Before my birth but it’s something that older people like my folks remember. But yeah being a polyglot, he could blend in better than most.

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blueraven  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:08:37am

re: #528 HappyWarrior

I haven’t seen any yet but I am not surprised that he’s doing well. He was a talent before the Colbert character and and like Biden knows what it’s like to lose family in a tragedy like that- for those who don’t know Stephen’s father and two of his older brothers died in a place crash when Stephen was a boy.

There was that obvious connection between Biden and Colbert…their sense of loss. But also the quiet strength and comfort derived from a shared sense of strong family and deep Catholic faith.

I remember Colbert’s very elderly mother passed away fairly recently. His on-air tribute to her was so moving.

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thedopefishlives  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:09:05am

re: #512 Dr Lizardo

Well, this is horrific. A murder-suicide of a family of five, with no survivors, in Lake Minnetonka, Minnesota.

startribune.com

Sounds like one of those “family annihilation” crimes. Horrible. RIP.

Mrs. Fish was just informing me of this. Ugh. And on today, of all days, to find out.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:11:42am

re: #534 HappyWarrior

There was a recent article this spring or summer in the WaPo on him I think. Before my birth but it’s something that older people like my folks remember. But yeah being a polyglot, he could blend in better than most.

Speaking of folks who pulled a vanishing act, I’ve always wondered what happened to Frank Matthews, a 1960s drug kingpin who disappeared along with his girlfriend in 1973 - and with between $15 to $20 million dollars (about $80 to over $100 million when adjusted for inflation) - before he could be arrested. The authorities think he might still be alive, but where?

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:14:12am

re: #535 blueraven

There was that obvious connection between Biden and Colbert…their sense of loss. But also the quiet strength and comfort derived from a shared sense of strong family and deep Catholic faith.

I remember Colbert’s very elderly mother passed away fairly recently. His on-air tribute to her was so moving.

Yeah these two guys have a good deal in common.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:17:05am

re: #537 Dr Lizardo

Speaking of folks who pulled a vanishing act, I’ve always wondered what happened to Frank Matthews, a 1960s drug kingpin who disappeared along with his girlfriend in 1973 - and with between $15 to $20 million dollars (about $80 to over $100 million when adjusted for inflation) - before he could be arrested. The authorities think he might still be alive, but where?

Don’t know that case. But what about DB Cooper, it’s just crazy to think people can disappear just like that. I wonder where I would go if I had to hide. I only speak English lol and I think I stand out like a sore thumb since I am noticeably awkward.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:20:45am

re: #539 HappyWarrior

Don’t know that case. But what about DB Cooper, it’s just crazy to think people can disappear just like that. I wonder where I would go if I had to hide. I only speak English lol and I think I stand out like a sore thumb since I am noticeably awkward.

Personally I think “Dan Cooper” (whoever he was) died in the attempt after he jumped from the plane. My take on it is that his body is still out there, most likely in one of the more heavily-forested areas of Clark County, WA, and if you asked me to narrow it down, I’d say somewhere in the forests around the small town of Washougal. There’s some pretty damn dense forests up around there.

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CarolJ  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:23:02am

re: #450 Higgs Boson’s Mate

I don’t buy that at all. He could have just said that he had something else to do, and quietly walked out. That’s what Clinton or Obama would have done, just said “Excuse me” and left. Kids know that there’s always going to be some interruption of some sort. That wouldn’t have panicked the kids at all.

In any event, the sooner the President leaves in a situation like this, the better. . Once he left, the school would be left alone in quiet.

And nobody knew if the hijacker’s allies were going to stage something anyway, which would be another reason to leave precipitously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:24:11am

re: #541 CarolJ

I don’t buy that at all. He could have just said that he had something else to do, and quietly walked out. That’s what Clinton or Obama would have done, just said “Excuse me” and left. Kids know that there’s always going to be some interruption of some sort. That wouldn’t have panicked the kids at all.

In any event, the sooner the President leaves in a situation like this, the better. . Once he left, the school would be left alone in quiet.

And nobody knew if the hijacker’s allies were going to stage something anyway, which would be another reason to leave precipitously.

precipitately

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:25:03am

re: #540 Dr Lizardo

Personally I think “Dan Cooper” (whoever he was) died in the attempt after he jumped from the plane. My take on it is that his body is still out there, most likely in one of the more heavily-forested areas of Clark County, WA, and if you asked me to narrow it down, I’d say somewhere in the forests around the small town of Washougal. There’s some pretty damn dense forests up around there.

Yeah wouldn’t shock me. I bet he’ll be found after many people have forgotten the story.

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:25:18am

My co-workers are debating why Trump might end up the GOP nominee. It’s entertaining.

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WhatEVs  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:25:56am

re: #543 HappyWarrior

Yeah wouldn’t shock me. I bet he’ll be found after many people have forgotten the story.

Unless he has that $$ strapped to his dead corpse. Then it’s take the money and run…and shut the heck up! :-)

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:27:50am

re: #544 Lidane

My co-workers are debating why Trump might end up the GOP nominee. It’s entertaining.

By all rights, why shouldn’t he be? Is he in any way less qualified than any of the other candidates?

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:29:04am

re: #541 CarolJ

I don’t buy that at all. He could have just said that he had something else to do, and quietly walked out. That’s what Clinton or Obama would have done, just said “Excuse me” and left. Kids know that there’s always going to be some interruption of some sort. That wouldn’t have panicked the kids at all.

In any event, the sooner the President leaves in a situation like this, the better. . Once he left, the school would be left alone in quiet.

And nobody knew if the hijacker’s allies were going to stage something anyway, which would be another reason to leave precipitously.

I can’t even say for certain how I’d react when confronted by such an enormity so it’s beyond my imagination to declare what two or three other people would have done or should have done.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:29:26am

re: #540 Dr Lizardo

Personally I think “Dan Cooper” (whoever he was) died in the attempt after he jumped from the plane. My take on it is that his body is still out there, most likely in one of the more heavily-forested areas of Clark County, WA, and if you asked me to narrow it down, I’d say somewhere in the forests around the small town of Washougal. There’s some pretty damn dense forests up around there.

Some of the money was found in 1980, buried in a beach on the Columbia River.

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Dr Lizardo  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:29:35am

re: #545 WhatEVs

Unless he has that $$ strapped to his dead corpse. Then it’s take the money and run…and shut the heck up! :-)

re: #543 HappyWarrior

The current theory is that he basically parachuted into the Washougal River Valley basin. I know that area really well - I used to live around there when I was a teenager and my friends and I all used to go swimming up at Dougan Falls. We used to joke that if we found Cooper’s money (or his body with the money), we were all just gonna shut the hell up and split it equitably, LOL.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:29:49am

re: #546 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

By all rights, why shouldn’t he be? Is he in any way less qualified than any of the other candidates?

Well, he was never married to the President.

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Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:31:05am

re: #550 Higgs Boson’s Mate

Well, he was never married to the President.

I was talking about the other GOP candidates.

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:32:16am

re: #546 Wendell Zurkowitz (slave to the waffle light)

By all rights, why shouldn’t he be? Is he in any way less qualified than any of the other candidates?

They’re busy debating why Trump is leading in the polls. It’s come down to celebrity name recognition vs. the GOP’s long history of appealing to the lowest common denominator.

I don’t have the heart to point out it’s both, combined with a lot of RWNJ anger over 2012.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:34:02am

re: #552 Lidane

They’re busy debating why Trump is leading in the polls. It’s come down to celebrity name recognition vs. the GOP’s long history of appealing to the lowest common denominator.

I don’t have the heart to point out it’s both, combined with a lot of RWNJ anger over 2012.

Well put. Obama’s re-election was just as crazy-making for them as GW Bush’s re-election was to us. This time around they don’t want a candidate, they want a hammer.

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:34:14am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:39:58am

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Очаровательный совенок

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:39:59am
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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:42:46am

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Очаровательный совенок

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:42:56am

re: #556 Backwoods_Sleuth

Present? Why does he think that’s a safe vote?

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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:43:16am

Dana Muhgunz having a meltdown because “Moms Demand” criticized an NRA exhibit featuring A GUN found in the 9/11 rubble.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:43:26am

re: #554 Lidane

Trump says he wants to deport 11 M in 2 years or less. Really? That’s about 458,333 per month. How do you do that?

Yes, Trump’s plan lacks any kind of a road map with at least the broad details of the phases of implementation. Our plan, on the other hand…

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Charles Johnson  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:43:57am

(Fixing the last Unicode bugs in Spy mode.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:44:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:44:20am

Dana must think MOAR GUNZ could have stopped 9/11

Wingnut 9/11 fantasy
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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:47:12am

re: #563 The Vicious Babushka

Because hey, I’d love to fly on a plane where everyone was armed! Who gives a shit about passenger safety and decompression dangers anyway? Also, what airline has aisles THAT large??

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:47:18am

re: #558 jaunte

Present? Why does he think that’s a safe vote?

He was being his typical weasel self.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:47:46am

Also…circular firing squad?

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jaunte  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:48:28am

re: #563 The Vicious Babushka

So the illustrator went to all that trouble to draw the cartoon without thinking “if all these other people can bring guns onto the plane, why wouldn’t the hijackers?”

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:48:54am

re: #565 Backwoods_Sleuth

He was being his typical weasel self.

You can tell he’s never been in the service. The first time a boot answers “Present,” at muster is also the last time that boot so answers.

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Teukka  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:49:49am

DAFUQ - Sept 11 edition:

Huckabee thinks there’s a law that ‘black people aren’t fully human’

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Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:50:52am

re: #569 Teukka

Well we did have that “3/5 of a person” thing way back when…

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#CampaignZero  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:51:22am

re: #554 Lidane

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Rail cars.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:51:23am
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lawhawk  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:52:50am

The hajj is scheduled to start later this month, and the Saudis have been busy with their construction all around Mecca. Well, one of the big cranes blew over in a storm, killing several people:

UPDATE:
Ha’aretz is reporting 52 killed in the collapse, dozens more injured.

There’s a huge project underway at the Masjid Al Haram (the structure surrounding the Qa’aba) to expand access for pilgrims. There’s now additional levels/structures ringing it so that ever greater numbers of pilgrims can fulfill their obligations.

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Higgs Boson's Mate  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:54:05am

re: #572 Backwoods_Sleuth

As a son of Ham, Ken Ham is under a curse and should, therefore, STFU.

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aagcobb  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:54:14am

re: #544 Lidane

My co-workers are debating why Trump might end up the GOP nominee. It’s entertaining.

The polling numbers are certainly stunning; Trump and Carson between them have over half the support, with everyone else in single digits. The GOP establishment, which has cynically manipulated the fears and hatreds of the base to get their votes for massive tax cuts for the rich, now face a monster of their own creation which hates them about as much as they hate the President.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:55:58am

re: #572 Backwoods_Sleuth

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nines09  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:56:16am

re: #569 Teukka

DAFUQ - Sept 11 edition:

Huckabee thinks there’s a law that ‘black people aren’t fully human’

He just wanted to show the folks who didn’t recognize him as a despicable excuse for a human being that he is a despicable excuse for a human being.

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Lidane  Sep 11, 2015 • 9:57:33am

re: #572 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love how we’re just supposed to accept a story written down thousands of years ago as the literal truth and that we’re not supposed to dig any deeper than that to find out how humanity evolved to get where are.

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HappyWarrior  Sep 11, 2015 • 10:01:53am

re: #562 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Kangaroo court was spot on.

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palomino  Sep 11, 2015 • 11:26:44am

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

The emails? I’ve got something for you on that matter. Don’t worry, it doesn’t link to NRO.

Man, you’ve got quite the knack for finding really shitty sources. I guess once an ideologue spends that much time in the fever swamp, the crazy shit starts to look sane.

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subterraneanhomesickalien  Sep 11, 2015 • 11:28:01am

re: #27 bratwurst

Is TNR really calling for an end to all political activism in the form of music?

Wow. They can go fuck right off.

They also seem to have a problem with intellectual property rights with this one too.


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