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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:45:13am

I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:47:04am

here it comes….

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:48:05am

‘“clearly constitutes impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors”

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:48:12am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.

We should only live so long……

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:50:43am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.

As my dear departed mom used to say (in English and Yiddish), “From your lips to God’s ear.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:50:52am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.

the fact that his personal lawyer, campaign manager and several other top advisers are in jail or prison right now does not seem to bear much weight for his supporters who still cry “witch hunt!” and insist he is the victim of a coup attempt.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:51:10am

How about fining members for unwarranted delay of process.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:51:28am

they’re gonna slow it down but they wont be able to derail it

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:51:47am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

I truly look forward to the day that people high up in the Trump admin face serious consequences for their actions.

Me too. I’ve never been so disillusioned.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:52:25am

re: #8 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

they’re gonna slow it down but they wont be able to derail it

Trump is going to keep on making the argument on his own that he needs to go.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:52:30am

Ranking Member Doug Collins is the Devin Nunes of this episode. Can’t wait to see what crimes he will be implicated in.

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:53:37am

re: #7 jaunte

How about fining members for unwarranted delay of process.

Obstructionism Lite.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:54:17am

karlan just slapped collins in the face

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:54:40am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:55:52am

the professors (so far) are accepting the facts presented

while the R’s continue to pretend none of it happened

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:56:52am

“Voting is preservative of all rights.”
That’s why Republicans attack it.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 7:57:27am

re: #11 The Pie Overlord!

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Ranking Member Doug Collins is the Devin Nunes of this episode. Can’t wait to see what crimes he will be implicated in.

gmta - i said that last thread
(and i think nunes did it better - though he apparently had more to protect)

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:02:49am

Republicans are really good at wasting time.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:02:51am

three for three “the president has committed impeachable offenses”

looking forward to see what turley does

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:04:44am

Go Pam Go.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:08:25am

Turdley. Ok, I’m still in 3rd grade.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:10:24am

gerhardt just invoked lindsey regarding clinton

video is forever

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:11:21am

it’s nice that someone is saying everything we’ve known all along live on television

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:13:40am

Our press is failing us so hard, it’s hard not to assume complicity over incompetence. I sound like a broken record on this, but it’s still true.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:14:17am

re: #14 The Pie Overlord!

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You know what’s boring? The same old Trump stump speech.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:14:51am

well he said “scandal”

and then went where expected
“this doesnt rise to the level’…..

but yeah, clinton did…

someone’s gonna ask him that

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steve_davis  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:15:09am

oh my goodness. Jonathan Turley. Isn’t he a cable news pundit? Is that why he sounds like an idiot?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:15:10am

re: #24 Citizen K

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Our press is failing us so hard, it’s hard not to assume complicity over incompetence. I sound like a broken record on this, but it’s still true.

I hear ya.

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:15:14am

re: #13 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

karlan just slapped collins in the face

Here’s video. She ain’t having it.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:17:15am

re: #29 makeitstop

Here’s video. She ain’t having it.

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she implied it may have been too much for him to read
while she read it all

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:17:41am

re: #16 jaunte

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“Voting is preservative of all rights.”
That’s why Republicans attack it.

Voting is our most fundamental right in a democracy.

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Broad With Sass  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:18:26am

re: #27 steve_davis

oh my goodness. Jonathan Turley. Isn’t he a cable news pundit? Is that why he sounds like an idiot?

Yuppers, he used to be on MSNBC and was booted…now on Fox

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:18:28am

re: #26 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

well he said “scandal”

and then went where expected
“this doesnt rise to the level’…..

but yeah, clinton did…

someone’s gonna ask him that

Right.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:18:50am

re: #22 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

gerhardt just invoked lindsey regarding clinton

video is forever

I remarked earlier that the level of discourse in these hearings is a bit more serious and refined than the shitshow that runs on broadcast media and the fever swamp of social media.

Fools are not suffered, facts are not as hard to relativize and Russian bots are unable to actively influence the discourse.

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:19:11am

So was I right re my last comment?

re: #239 Jay C

The Judiciary hearings are, apparently, a rerun of the HPSCI circus? Nadler and the Dems laying out a clear, coherent case, while the GOPers just blither, bluster, and waste time?

The big problem I see is that Jerry Nadler (who I like - he used to be my Rep when I lived across town) isn’t the attack-dog prosecutor type Adam Schiff is. Not that I think Nadler is going to let the Repubs’ efforts to derail the process succeed, but in terms of setting the narrative and presenting the “case” to the public, the Judiciary “show” is likely to suffer from the “second-act doldrums”. And - unfortunately, but true - the media want a “show”. And it doesn’t (at least AFAICT) look like there is going to be a Marie Yovanovich or Fiona Hill in the wings this time round.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:20:20am

re: #16 jaunte

“Voting is preservative of all rights.”
That’s why Republicans attack it.

GOP is pushing for a fully organic preservative-free democracy…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:20:56am

re: #35 Jay C

So was I right re my last comment?

The Judiciary hearings are, apparently, a rerun of the HPSCI circus? Nadler and the Dems laying out a clear, coherent case, while the GOPers just blither, bluster, and waste time?

The big problem I see is that Jerry Nadler (who I like - he used to be my Rep when I lived across town) isn’t the attack-dog prosecutor type Adam Schiff is. Not that I think Nadler is going to let the Repubs’ efforts to derail the process succeed, but in terms of setting the narrative and presenting the “case” to the public, the Judiciary “show” is likely to suffer from the “second-act doldrums”. And - unfortunately, but true - the media want a “show”. And it doesn’t (at least AFAICT) look like there is going to be a Marie Yovanovich or Fiona Hill in the wings.

The media and GOP both want a circus. The Dems want to treat this seriously.

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i(m)p(each)sos  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:22:04am

OK, credit where due. Nadler is handling the parliamentary circus a little better now.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:22:50am

re: #38 i(m)p(each)sos

OK, credit where due. Nadler is handling the parliamentary circus a little better now.

he’ll just have everything tabled and move on

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:23:00am

How many fucking times are they going to call the roll?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:24:35am

re: #40 I Would Prefer Not To

How many fucking times are they going to call the roll?

every time they table something the R’s will ask for a roll call vote to slow things down

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:26:11am

What was accomplished by the roll call vote other than running down the clock?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:26:53am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:28:49am

re: #43 jaunte

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The latter is absolutely mind boggling given his past statements on previous presidents.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:28:57am

re: #42 The Pie Overlord!

What was accomplished by the roll call vote other than running down the clock?

R’s make a motion
a D moves to table / delay
nadler calls a voice vote
then r’s ask for roll call vote to delay

it’s doing what they want but it’s not doing much - ie less than 5 minutes

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:29:25am

The Democrats should have gotten Napolitano (?ps), the judge on Fox that says Trump should be impeached, to make comments.

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:32:51am

re: #42 The Pie Overlord!

What was accomplished by the roll call vote other than running down the clock?

Probably was the goal in and of itself: the slower the hearing, the boringer; more boring = less “pizazz”; less pizazz = less airtime on the news, more time for the GOP to flog their hysterical outrage/deflection/witch-hunt/partisan/bullshit line to their lapdog media; no “bombshells” means MSM gets bored, tunes out, etc….

I mean, it’s a Presidential impeachment: it’s not going to vanish out of the news: but in the absence of any real defense, discouraging attention is likely considered as good a strategy as any.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:34:28am

I hope they get to this.

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:37:40am

We are getting free Civic lessons from our professors. Sadly, we who are listening, don’t need the lessons. The Republicans, though…

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:38:33am

I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.

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Broad With Sass  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:39:47am

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.

Don’t you mean impeachchip cookies?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:41:13am

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.

chocolate impeachipment cookies?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:41:29am

re: #51 Broad With Sass

Don’t you mean impeachchip cookies?

gmta

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:43:36am

Now I want to spend a year or two in Prof. Karlan’s classroom.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:44:40am

re: #50 The Pie Overlord!

I think I will bake some chocolate chip cookies.

Wife will be doing the same thing today. Next door neighbors daughter is having a birthday party this Saturday and she is going to make them for the kids. Of course I have to test them to make sure they are good enough for the little ones :-)

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:45:06am

re: #48 jaunte

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I hope they get to this.

Definitely

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:47:07am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:49:34am

re: #57 wrenchwench

Now that’s a great idea right there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:52:21am

re: #57 wrenchwench

Evanston’s City Council took a step that may be a first in the nation — funding a reparations program for its own African Amercan residents. Starting next year, all tax revenue from recreational marijuana sales will go to a reparations fund until it reaches a $10 million cap.

As somebody pointed out here, look at who we used to bust for selling pot compared to the people we now license to do so…

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wrenchwench  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:52:25am

re: #58 Eclectic Cyborg

Now that’s a great idea right there.

Start local.

Makes Evanston look good.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:54:26am

karlan: “announcement”

he wanted the announcement not the investigation

nailed it

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makeitstop  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:55:24am

Wow, here’s a metaphor for ya…

(Refresh if you see the professor…)

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i(m)p(each)sos  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:56:21am

So where do the Rs go with Turley at this point?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:56:50am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 8:58:18am

re: #63 i(m)p(each)sos

So where do the Rs go with Turley at this point?

i cant wait to see

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S'latch  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:01:54am

Professor Pamela S. Karlan is awesome at this job. Her analysis is sharp and clarifying.

Professor Noah Feldman is also very good.

The Judiciary Committee should have even more of experts testify in my opinion and if that’s possible.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:02:07am

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

JFC.

What a soft skinned wimp. Takes his fucking ball and goes home just because someone said some mean things.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:02:39am

The Independent:

‘Kamala is a cop’ was a racist narrative that killed Harris’s campaign dead. And whatever you think about her, it’s deeply unfair

There’s a saying that almost every black person in America is familiar with: “You have to work two times harder, and be twice as good.”

This phrase has been passed down for generations from parents and grandparents to young black people. It’s not just an explanation; it’s a warning. America was built for white people, so if black people want something, it will be much harder.

This was certainly the case for senator Kamala Harris, from the moment she announced her plans to run for president in January 2019 on the Reverend Dr Martin Luther King Jr’s birthday.

*snip*
Tulsi Gabbard has been chided as a Republican “plant” for her consistent appearances on Fox News; Pete Buttigieg has been called out for not properly addressing a history of police brutality against black people in South Bend; Amy Klobuchar has a prosecutorial record that is arguably worse than Harris’s - and the list goes on. But none of these candidates faced such coordinated attacks. None of them had their very identities so consistently called into question.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:03:18am

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Glad we don’t don’t have a hysterical woman in that position.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:03:49am

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC.

What a soft skinned wimp. Takes his fucking ball and goes home just because someone said some mean things.

doesnt have the temperament to be an international politician / leader

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:04:16am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Independent:

‘Kamala is a cop’ was a racist narrative that killed Harris’s campaign dead. And whatever you think about her, it’s deeply unfair

too many people did not want to see her succeed

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:07:57am

Carried by acclamation:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:08:23am

re: #71 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

too many people did not want to see her succeed

You could pretty much say the same about Hillary Clinton.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:10:31am

re: #73 Eclectic Cyborg

You could pretty much say the same about Hillary Clinton.

very much so, there was a critical mass of negative opinion that the media just ran with

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:11:21am
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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:11:28am

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Carried by acclamation:

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The GOP reps on Judiciary is a murderer’s row of derp.

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:12:57am

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I had a (bad) feeling something like this might happen after I saw that clip of Trudeau, Macron and Johnson - somewhat un-diplomatically - chortling over Trump’s inane “presser”. I mean, I’m sure we Lizards all agree that The Donald is a incompetent Disgrace To The Nation - the problem is that having foreign leaders kinda openly agree (vs. the more-typical leaks/hints/off-the-record chat) is not, IMO, a good thing.

1. It allows Trump to appear like a victim - correctly for once: that it’s his own fault for being a loudmouthed boob is beside the point, and a line unlikely to be pushed in the media.

2. Like it or not, the asshole IS the POTUS: an insult to him reflects on all of us.

3. While we can make fun of The Orange Anus for being a big baby, now that he’s ticked off at NATO leaders, he’s likely to want to get back at them somehow. And that “how” is HUGELY unlikely to be good for the country and/or its international relationships.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:14:25am

re: #77 Jay C

3. While we can make fun of The Orange Anus for being a big baby, now that he’s ticked off at NATO leaders, he’s likely to want to get back at them somehow. And that “how” is HUGELY unlikely to be good for the country and/or its international relationships.

Yes, Hating NATO and the EU is going to become part of the doctrine for RWNJs

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:14:28am

INCOMING!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:14:50am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:16:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:16:07am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:16:12am

re: #75 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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He should talk to his boss first. Fucking hypocrite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:16:47am

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

WATCH: “If what we are talking about is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable,” Michael Gerhardt, a University of North Carolina law professor, tells the House Judiciary Committee.

The problem is that things will be selectively impeachable.

I cannot imagine a Democratic President being allowed to get away with such egregious conflicts of interest, violations of the Emoluments Clause, lying or obstruction of justice

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:19:21am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, Hating NATO and the EU is going to become part of the doctrine for RWNJs

It is straight up Bircherism. NATO has been a target since the day the JBS was founded, the EU since its own origin. It traces back in a straight line to America First and the pro-fascist isolationism of the pre-World War II era.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:20:55am

Rep. Steve Watkins, R-Kansas 2nd

Shawnee County’s district attorney said Wednesday he will conduct a preliminary inquiry into whether a Kansas congressman voted illegally in Topeka’s city election last month.

The Topeka Capital-Journal reported Tuesday that Rep. Steve Watkins, R-Kansas, changed his voter registration in August to the address of a UPS store in Topeka. The address, located in Topeka’s 8th City Council District, was the one he used in November’s election when the winner of the council race was decided by just 13 votes.

The revelation immediately sparked calls for an investigation into whether the congressman had committed voter fraud, which Kansas has aggressively prosecuted in recent years.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:23:07am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:23:10am

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It is straight up Bircherism. NATO has been a target since the day the JBS was founded, the EU since its own origin. It traces back in a straight line to America First and the pro-fascist isolationism of the pre-World War II era.

On the other hand, I fully understand why those leaders have given up all pretense of being diplomatic and are treating Trump the with all the disdain that he openly shows to Europe and NATO.

And it is most certainly a calculated move to really hurt him in his most vulnerable spot: the Ego

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:23:25am

re: #85 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It is straight up Bircherism. NATO has been a target since the day the JBS was founded, the EU since its own origin. It traces back in a straight line to America First and the pro-fascist isolationism of the pre-World War II era.

The Paleocons are running right wing foreign policy again. You’re absolutely right on the genesis of this. It’s a dangerous mindset that led to the World Wars. The Republican foreign policy of the 20’s was uninterested, indifferent, & even a little supportive to the growing fascist movements in Europe. Mussolini in particular was seen as good because he was anti Communist.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:23:49am

re: #86 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Rep. Steve Watkins, R-Kansas 2nd

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Lock him up?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:25:26am

re: #88 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

On the other hand, I fully understand why those leaders have given up all pretense of being diplomatic and are treating Trump the with all the disdain that he openly shows to Europe and NATO.

And it is most certainly a calculated move to really hurt him in his most vulnerable spot: the Ego

He talks about putting terrorists in their countries, belittles their efforts on climate change and human rights, & takes the side of Putin.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:27:48am

I really worry we’re seeing a new movement of tribalism that will lead to something ugly. And I’m worried since I have one cousin in the USN and another about to the USMC. Plus I read a ton of history. Trump hasn’t read any history. He just thinks alliances should be like a mafia racket.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:28:43am

re: #87 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Dave Chappelle - Black bush - oil scene

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:29:06am

re: #72 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Carried by acclamation:

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We should call in John Oliver’s “Suck My Balls, Bob!” dance troupe.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:29:20am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

I really worry we’re seeing a new movement of tribalism that will lead to something ugly. And I’m worried since I have one cousin in the USN and another about to the USMC. Plus I read a ton of history. Trump hasn’t read any history. He just thinks alliances should be like a mafia racket.

His approach has always been just to screw ‘em, declare bankruptcy and walk away. That might work in business but it does not work in diplomacy.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:32:10am

This guy owes me a keyboard cleaning.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:32:27am

re: #95 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

His approach has always been just to screw ‘em, declare bankruptcy and walk away. That might work in business but it does not work in diplomacy.

And his successors are going to have to clean it up. One reason why I’m not completely sold on Warren is I’m not sure if she realizes how important this will be. Her domestic agenda, I’m more on board with but we have a lot of problems to fix. Some certainly are domestic but some are foreign too.

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steve_davis  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:33:19am

Okay. Now on to phase two. I turned off the stream because I don’t want to listen to 45 minutes of assholes breaking wind. Be especially responsible towards offering play-by-play, please.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:33:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:35:54am

re: #99 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The Darfur genocide is still ongoing. Just saying.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:36:22am

Every president since NATO was founded understands that NATO was founded for mutual cooperation. Trump had he been around in 1947 would have attacked the Marshall Plan because Europe wasn’t immediately paying us enough. I mean screw Nixon the man but then Congressman Nixon had some foreign policy wisdom. Trump has no such wisdom. The few advisers he listens to would rather appease his ego than explain to him how international relations work. But really Trump has no business being President period.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:37:19am

Crap. Well there’s always tomorrow.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:37:20am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

He talks about putting terrorists in their countries, belittles their efforts on climate change and human rights, & takes the side of Putin.

Putin’s the only one he doesn’t belittle.

I wonder why.

not really /

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:37:21am

re: #100 Eclectic Cyborg

The Darfur genocide is still ongoing. Just saying.

Trump never met a genocide he didn’t like.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:37:35am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:37:41am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:38:10am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:38:22am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

Collins seems awfully snowflakey.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:39:23am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:40:34am

turley has used ‘dog’ twice

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:41:35am
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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:42:24am

I didn’t even know today is #NationalCookieDay. What a happy coincidence.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:42:54am

re: #112 The Pie Overlord!

Nom nom nom.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:43:09am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:44:07am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:45:34am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

Turley: as long as POTUS doersn’t literally, exactly say the exact words “quid pro quo” in a row you can’t convict.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:46:25am

Fox News currently running with this headline:

Impeachment witness snaps at Doug Collins during hearing, tells him she’s ‘insulted’ by comments

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:47:32am

nixon didnt withhold everything, hence obstruction

the fight was about i think 4 specific things

trump has blanket given zero dox and prohibited all testimony

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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:47:58am

re: #115 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t really have a dog in this fight but this impeachment is a Hoax and Witch Hunt.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:48:06am

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox News currently running with this headline:

Impeachment witness snaps at Doug Collins during hearing, tells him she’s ‘insulted’ by comments

Keep snapping.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:48:37am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:49:29am

in the midst of all this:

thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191201 edition ————————————>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:50:20am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:50:47am

100% withholding 100% of dox and refusing to allow any witness to testify is not executive privilege

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:51:25am

re: #121 jaunte

Ugh, not the pizzazz bullshit again…

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:52:21am

clinton’s impeachment was ‘narrow’?????????????????????????

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:52:23am
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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:52:42am

re: #121 jaunte

[Media]These hearings have no ‘pizzazz’ except that mean old witness shouldn’t have ‘snapped’ at the honorable congresscritter.[/Media]

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:52:59am

re: #125 Eclectic Cyborg

Newsertainment stars not entertained.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:53:04am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:53:24am

Constitutional law is dry. It’s not meant to be entertainment. Fucking media.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:53:54am

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, Prof. Turley says that a better example of bribery is France’s King Louie the 14th who bought off England’s King Charles II for a secret treaty.

Oh, we’re sorry Prof GOP Turley for not having this exact example.

/

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:54:09am

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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What’s his deal?

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:55:11am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:55:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:55:55am

oh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:57:37am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:57:53am

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oh

That answers my question.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:59:00am

re: #137 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I read. Well technically listened to it. There was enough there to continue investigating imo. Trump obstructed that too. It’s a fucking pattern.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:59:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 9:59:55am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:01:56am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:03:05am

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oh

Go stand all day on the floor of an assembly line doing piece work for 10 hours you fucking wimp. Or chip the slag off the floor around a blast furnace for 10 hours, your fucking whiny ass won’t be cold then.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:03:11am

re: #130 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m glad Turley doesn’t have a ‘dog in this fight’.

/

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Sir John Barron  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:04:02am

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

Oh, are they ‘reviewing’ Solomon’s?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:04:14am

Career piece of shit George Zimmerman has filed a $100 Million lawsuit against Trayvon Martins parents.

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retired cynic  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:04:29am

re: #135 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s the same tie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:04:50am

re: #145 Sir John Barron

Oh, are they ‘reviewing’ Solomon’s?

allegedly

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:06:01am

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

Career piece of shit George Zimmerman has filed a $100 Million lawsuit against Trayvon Martins parents.

and his lawyer is Larry Klayman.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:07:10am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:07:46am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:10:14am

re: #140 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I went to watch some cartoons and this Turley idiot is blabbing. I immediately came here to LGF and had my suspicions verified. He’s a Trump toady.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:10:28am

so we’re going deep into the conspiracy theories now

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:10:50am
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Florida Panhandler  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:11:18am

re: #64 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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More like a Snowflake

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:13:40am

its ‘wafer thin’ because it was uncovered faster

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:14:51am

WINNING ! ! !

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:15:29am

the dem counsel asked a lot of questions
this guy taylor is testifying

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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:15:40am

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

Career piece of shit George Zimmerman has filed a $100 Million lawsuit against Trayvon Martins parents.

Defamation, I assume?

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:17:45am

re: #154 The Pie Overlord!

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No word from Ben Shapiro about the Antisemitism of his allies.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:19:00am

re: #142 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah they’re citizens of your state and they vote too. What a shocker that treating them like people gets votes.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:21:52am
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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:22:34am

Doug Collins KNOWS pandering to a camera.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:22:52am

“…Zimmerman is represented by Larry Klayman…”

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:23:07am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:23:13am

re: #159 Mike Lamb

Defamation, I assume?

Fuck Larry Klayman, too!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:24:07am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

No word from Ben Shapiro about the Antisemitism of his allies.

Did you expect Ben Shapiro to stop kissing Rick Wiles’ ass?

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:26:40am

re: #167 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did you expect Ben Shapiro to stop kissing Rick Wiles’ ass?

Ben Shapiro: RICK WILES IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE LEFTIST JINOS, WHO ARE NOT REAL JEWS, NOT ABOUT TEH ONLY REAL AUTHENTIC GENUINE JOO WHICH IS MEE1!!!11!!!

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:28:34am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Yeah they’re citizens of your state and they vote too. What a shocker that treating them like people gets votes.

I guess soon-to-be-former Gov. Bevin goes for the “Constitutional Originalist” - i.e. 18th-Century - notion of who should get the voting franchise: he’s probably conflating the notion of “public housing” with “lazy paupers living off the public dime”, and thus, unworthy of the right to vote. And of course, mainly Those People……

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:28:44am

re: #168 The Pie Overlord!

Ben Shapiro: RICK WILES IS TALKING ABOUT THOSE LEFTIST JINOS, WHO ARE NOT REAL JEWS, NOT ABOUT TEH ONLY REAL AUTHENTIC GENUINE JOO WHICH IS MEE1!!!11!!!

I ought to post the Utah Outcasts ripping a dozen assholes into that antisemite but I’m too pissed off right now.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:31:21am

When you want a break from the real world of Russian agents and spies corrupting western governments, here’s the first trailer for No Time To Die, the 5th and last James Bond movie starring the greatest (so far) Bond, Daniel Craig. “This time around, Bond has retired from active service, and he starts off the trailer looking over a tranquil harbor, finally able to kick back and relax. Of course, this doesn’t last. Immediately, he’s summoned back by M (Ralph Fiennes) and Felix Leiter (Jeffrey Wright) for one last mission, whereupon he meets the new 007 (Lashana Lynch).”

NO TIME TO DIE Trailer

These have been the single best run of Bond movies of them all and this looks like it will be a delicious cap to them.

I think I should go have a vesper martini tonight in anticipation. I can’t afford one, but I should :LOL:

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:31:54am

re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“…Zimmerman is represented by Larry Klayman…”

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I wonder if this has anything to do with why he’s bringing the case now:

The lead defendant in the suit is Sybrina Fulton, Martin’s mother who became a national figure in the wake of her son’s death as a campaign surrogate for Hillary Clinton and a national advocate for social justice and reducing gun deaths. She’s running for the District 1 seat on the Miami-Dade County Commission being vacated by a term-limited Barbara Jordan in the Miami Gardens area.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:32:16am

A little midday whimsy

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:33:36am

turley really twisted himself into knots

he and the R’s are basically ignoring all the testimony and then saying “nothing to see here”

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:37:45am

re: #174 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

turley really twisted himself into knots

he and the R’s are basically ignoring all the testimony and then saying “nothing to see here”

The only real significant thing from Turley’s testimony is even he is not trying to dispute that Trump’s actions were wrong. All he can offer (in the lamest fashion possible) is he doesn’t personally believe it rises to the level of impeachable.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:39:42am

re: #77 Jay C

1. It allows Trump to appear like a victim - correctly for once: that it’s his own fault for being a loudmouthed boob is beside the point, and a line unlikely to be pushed in the media.

Or like a child. I’m going with the latter. The coop in our meeting today took some jabbing in stride (she came on board right as some people left, and it just lined up in our meeting about correlating those two events) because she is an adult.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:41:18am

re: #171 William Lewis

Looks really good, loved the throwback references…and I really need a car with headlight guns like that.

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Shropshire Slasher  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:41:34am

re: #175 Targetpractice

Close enough for jazz.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:41:43am

WTAF

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Sherlock Hound  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:42:38am

re: #171 William Lewis

The opening scene in Casino Royale is the height of Daniel Craig’s power in the role.

Bond: “M doesn’t mind you earning a little money on the side, but she’d prefer it if you weren’t selling secrets.”
Dryden: “If M was so sure I was bent, she’d have sent a 00. Your file shows no kills, and it takes—”
Bond: “Two”
Dryden: “How did he die?”
Bond: “Your contact? Not well.”
Dryden: “Made you feel it, did he? You needn’t worry. The next one is—”
[Bond shoots Dryden]
Bond: “Yes. Considerably.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:42:46am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WTAF

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America, where we have so many fucking assault weapons people donate some to Goodwill.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:43:41am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, Hating NATO and the EU is going to become part of the doctrine for RWNJs

Given Trump’s previous behaviors and statements wasn’t this already the case?

I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.

As for them now “insulting” the USA via this, this is sort of par to the above. And to a degree we have deserved their laughing at us since we elected Trump and our party system has continued to tolerate him despite his obvious and apparent corruption and incompetence for the job and tasks of representing the USA in the international community.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:45:51am

But aren’t the White House Christmas decorations nice?

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:47:13am

re: #183 jaunte

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But aren’t the White House Christmas decorations nice?

As usual, the cruelty is the point. Make people desperate and they will more willingly accept whatever abusive relationship their employer imposes upon them because it’s the only way to avoid starvation/homelessness/debtor’s prison/etc.

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:47:28am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

WTAF

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Why can’t I find boxes like that?!? LOL!

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Cheechako  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:49:31am

re: #182 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Given Trump’s previous behaviors and statements wasn’t this already the case?

I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.

As for them now “insulting” the USA via this, this is sort of par to the above. And to a degree we have deserved their laughing at us since we elected Trump and our party system has continued to tolerate him despite his obvious and apparent corruption and incompetence for the job and tasks of representing the USA in the international community.

All hell will break loose. Donnie just found out he’s not a member of the World Leaders Good Old Boys Club. Just another repeat of the New York Society Club.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:49:36am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:50:29am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:51:07am
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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:51:38am
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:52:09am

re: #175 Targetpractice

The only real significant thing from Turley’s testimony is even he is not trying to dispute that Trump’s actions were wrong. All he can offer (in the lamest fashion possible) is he doesn’t personally believe it rises to the level of impeachable.

Right
But clintons heinous perjury was def grounds for removal!

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:52:57am

National Cookie Day? Not here, not today. It’s National Baked Wings Day!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:53:55am

re: #183 jaunte

I started digging into this SNAP thing earlier because I had some time to kill.

One article I looked at noted that most of the people losing benefits are able bodied adults who could otherwise work except that in some cases, due to a lack of formal education, undiagnosed mental illness or simply general economic factors, they can either not find a steady job or not find one that offers enough hours to meet the requirements.

So you can in part blame our service economy that’s packed full of part-time, temporary and contract jobs for this.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:54:54am

re: #183 jaunte

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But aren’t the White House Christmas decorations nice?

“We’re taking action to reform our SNAP program in order to restore the dignity of work to a sizable segment of our population and be respectful of the taxpayers who fund the program,” Perdue said.

There is no “dignity of work” for anyone who is not paid a living wage.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:55:11am

re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg

I started digging into this SNAP thing earlier because I had some time to kill.

One article I looked at noted that most of the people losing benefits are able bodied adults who could otherwise work except that in some cases, due to a lack of formal education, undiagnosed mental illness or simply general economic factors, they can either not find a steady job or not find one that offers enough hours to meet the requirements.

So you can in part blame our service economy that’s packed full of part-time, temporary and contract jobs for this.

A few years ago in NYC someone who made minimum wage could qualify for SNAP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:55:58am

re: #192 jeffreyw

National Cookie Day? Not here, not today. It’s National Baked Wings Day!

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Why not both?

Wings for lunch and cookies for dessert. Booyah!

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:56:25am

re: #186 Cheechako

All hell will break loose. Donnie just found out he’s not a member of the World Leaders Good Old Boys Club. Just another repeat of the New York Society Club.

Ayep. Winning the presidency was in part about finally getting that recognition, that acceptance that says he’d finally achieved something worth getting his foot in the door. People had to respect him because he was president, or else they’d get browbeaten for failing to “respect the office.”

Except nobody’s buying that horseshit, least of all the people he’s tried to gain acceptance from. The social circles back home still see him as a hack living off other people’s money, the leaders of the world either see him as a joke or as a patsy, and it’s becoming more obvious by the day that the Repubs despise him for what he’s doing to their political futures. The day he leaves the White House, whether willingly or in cuffs, the world will move with haste to do to his political legacy what Kruschev did to Stalin’s: Tear it down and salt the earth around it.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:56:39am

re: #182 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Given Trump’s previous behaviors and statements wasn’t this already the case?

I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.

As for them now “insulting” the USA via this, this is sort of par to the above. And to a degree we have deserved their laughing at us since we elected Trump and our party system has continued to tolerate him despite his obvious and apparent corruption and incompetence for the job and tasks of representing the USA in the international community.

They’re all going now we can have some fun
And do some proper business

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:57:22am

re: #195 I Would Prefer Not To

A few years ago in NYC someone who made minimum wage could qualify for SNAP.

Yep, it’s black and white thinking: “These people are able bodied and able to work, they don’t need our help. If they can’t fucking find a steady job it’s their own damn fault!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:58:23am
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:58:36am

Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2019 • 10:59:26am

re: #196 Eclectic Cyborg

Why not both?

Wings for lunch and cookies for dessert. Booyah!

Your argument is sound. IBB!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:00:01am

re: #201 Targetpractice

Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”

It also completely ignores the fact that his boneheaded tarriffs are sending food costs up. Or that the minimum wage hasn’t increased in a decade or…well you get the idea.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:01:08am

And the revised rules still makes it easy for Walmart to underpay employees and simply give them information or advice about how to apply for assistance.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:01:49am

re: #197 Targetpractice

Ayep. Winning the presidency was in part about finally getting that recognition, that acceptance that says he’d finally achieved something worth getting his foot in the door. People had to respect him because he was president, or else they’d get browbeaten for failing to “respect the office.”

Except nobody’s buying that horseshit, least of all the people he’s tried to gain acceptance from. The social circles back home still see him as a hack living off other people’s money, the leaders of the world either see him as a joke or as a patsy, and it’s becoming more obvious by the day that the Repubs despise him for what he’s doing to their political futures. The day he leaves the White House, whether willingly or in cuffs, the world will move with haste to do to his political legacy what Kruschev did to Stalin’s: Tear it down and salt the earth around it.

+1

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:02:36am

re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

“…Zimmerman is represented by Larry Klayman…”

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We live in the absolute worst fucking timeline. This piece of shit keeps getting to shoot his shot (dark pun absolutely intended), Trayvon is still dead, and we have the fucking AG of the country with rhetoric that absolutely endorses the Zimmermans and Pantaleos of the country.

I hate everything about today right now.

EDIT: Also, it doesn’t necessarily matter if Zimmerman’s suit is bunk and DOA. The point is likely to force them to defend and bleed legal fees which, in our grand country’s wisdom, they won’t necessarily get back even if they win the case.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:04:09am

re: #201 Targetpractice

Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”

So there’s 700k unfilled jobs out there waiting for snap beneficiaries? //

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:04:21am

re: #183 jaunte

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But aren’t the White House Christmas decorations nice?

Par for the course. Clump of cells must be “saved” at all costs. Born children, fuck ‘em.

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:04:50am

re: #187 jaunte

texas toni
@ToniinTexas

This isn’t a fucking reality show.

She may be right - but the only problem is that the entire Republican bloc in the House (and probably the Senate as well) has signed on to the idea that the whole impeachment process is just precisely that: and that - given that there is little factual or legal defense for Trump’s actions - are going to be working the “audience” (mainly the MSM) with every PR trick they can muster to try to move the “ratings” as best they can.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:05:22am

The c-span video feed is playing in the corner of the screen and since the impeachment hearings are on recess they have some interview with POS45 in which he is spewing all his usual Twitter insults.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:06:25am

Turley being there allows Fox to have this chyron: “GOP witness says there’s not enough known, but Dem witness say Trump abused power.”

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A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:07:25am

re: #209 Jay C

She may be right - but the only problem is that the entire Republican bloc in the House (and probably the Senate as well) has signed on to the idea that the whole impeachment process is just precisely that: and that - given that there is little factual or legal defense for Trump’s actions - are going to be working the “audience” (mainly the MSM) with every PR trick they can muster to try to move the “ratings” as best they can.

That’s what they tried for the last hearings. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:08:59am

IMAX in Outer Space… SPACESPAAAAAAACE!!!!

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:14:38am

The CSPAN callers are… we’re fucked.

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danarchy  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:15:43am

re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg

I started digging into this SNAP thing earlier because I had some time to kill.

One article I looked at noted that most of the people losing benefits are able bodied adults who could otherwise work except that in some cases, due to a lack of formal education, undiagnosed mental illness or simply general economic factors, they can either not find a steady job or not find one that offers enough hours to meet the requirements.

So you can in part blame our service economy that’s packed full of part-time, temporary and contract jobs for this.

To my understanding the main change was in determining under what circumstances the work requirement can be waived. The current rule says that if unemployment in your area is more than 20% greater than the national average then the work requirement can be waived. So currently with unemployment at 3.7% that means if you live somewhere with unemployment over 4.4% or so you are eligible for waivers. The change says that you are eligible for waivers if unemployment in your area goes over 6%.

In the short term it means a number of people will lose benefits, but in the long run, this means during a downturn a lot more people could be eligible for SNAP benefits. Unless of course they change the rule back during the next recession because too many people qualify, which I wouldn’t put past them.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:15:47am

re: #214 BigPapa

The CSPAN callers are… we’re fucked.

It’s not even 4pm on the East Coast. Don’t these morons have jobs?

//

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:16:53am
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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:17:06am

re: #214 BigPapa

The CSPAN callers are… we’re fucked.

Whoo boy. Do I want to know?

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:18:40am

re: #218 Citizen K

Whoo boy. Do I want to know?

People that call CSPAN have a lot of time on their hands.

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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:18:42am

re: #212 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!

That’s what they tried for the last hearings. Didn’t work then, won’t work now.

They weren’t quite as desperate then: Schiff and the HPSCI pretty much (IMO) masterfully wrong-footed and flummoxed the GOP, and seized the whole narrative for the media. We’ll have to wait and see, but other than more histrionics - and nitpicky “analyses” like Prof. Turley’s they probably don’t have much left.

But I can pretty much guarantee that Fox and the rest of the RWNM are going to be going full lights-and-sirens on the “Turley destroyed the Democrats’ case!!!!” tack (see #190) for tonight’s news (complete with the usual out-of-context citations, head-nodding concurrences from the talking-heads, and brilliant “analysis” from the likes of Jeanine Pirro), and try to blare COMPLETE EXONERATION!!11!!1! at every opportunity.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:19:30am

re: #218 Citizen K

Whoo boy. Do I want to know?

‘I’ve been lifelong Democrat but know I’m going vote Trump’

‘I’ve not seen any evidence Trump’s done anything wrong, he’s been the best President ever.’

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:19:58am

The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:20:17am

re: #214 BigPapa

The CSPAN callers are… we’re fucked.

..not representative
Any more than Limbaugh’s are

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:20:29am

re: #216 Targetpractice

It’s not even 4pm on the East Coast. Don’t these morons have jobs?

//

It’s past working hours over in Russia.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:22:16am

Something occurred to me after I read the Zimmerman story and I had to read it again. He is actually alleging that the parties he’s suing knowingly engaged in a conspiracy to destroy him by soliciting/suborning perjury. In other words, according to Zim (really some hack “director”), he has evidence of real crimes that were committed, yet he is choosing to launch a civil tort instead. I’m not sure the judge who draws the short straw on this case is gonna be able to hold back his incredulity.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:22:26am

re: #220 Jay C

They weren’t quite as desperate then: Schiff and the HPSCI pretty much (IMO) masterfully wrong-footed and flummoxed the GOP, and seized the whole narrative for the media. We’ll have to wait and see, but other than more histrionics - and nitpicky “analyses” like Prof. Turley’s they probably don’t have much left.

But I can pretty much guarantee that Fox and the rest of the RWNM are going to be going full lights-and-sirens on the “Turley destroyed the Democrats’ case!!!!” tack (see #190) for tonight’s news (complete with the usual out-of-context citations, head-nodding concurrences from the talking-heads, and brilliant “analysis” from the likes of Jeanine Pirro), and try to blare COMPLETE EXONERATION!!11!!1! at every opportunity.

I’ll wait for the dvd

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:22:36am

re: #222 The Pie Overlord!

The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.

Do you like children and a quiet day in the park?

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:23:12am

re: #222 The Pie Overlord!

The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.

Mrs dm, that you?

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:25:02am

re: #221 BigPapa

‘I’ve been lifelong Democrat but know I’m going vote Trump’

‘I’ve not seen any evidence Trump’s done anything wrong, he’s been the best President ever.’

re: #223 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

..not representative
Any more than Limbaugh’s are

The problem isn’t necessarily that they’re representative or that we’ll take them as representative.

It’s that if the great arbiters of objectivity decide to take them as representative and have that exact attitude color all their coverage.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:25:29am

re: #222 The Pie Overlord!

The caller claims to be a “Lifelong Democrat” yeah and I am 6’ tall, 120 lbs with long blonde hair and a 36C.

So you’re practically emaciated, then?

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:25:49am

The explanation for why he’s got Larry Klayman seems pretty obvious: Nobody with half a brain would have taken this case, certainly not when it looks like Georgie is dirt poor and so unable to afford to finance the sort of work it’s gonna take to prove this grand “conspiracy” against him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:26:15am

re: #231 Targetpractice

The explanation for why he’s got Larry Klayman seems pretty obvious: Nobody with half a brain would have taken this case, certainly not when it looks like Georgie is dirt poor and so unable to afford to finance the sort of work it’s gonna take to prove this grand “conspiracy” against him.

It’s a convenient way for Klayman to get his name in the news again.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:29:00am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:29:27am

re: #220 Jay C

They weren’t quite as desperate then: Schiff and the HPSCI pretty much (IMO) masterfully wrong-footed and flummoxed the GOP, and seized the whole narrative for the media. We’ll have to wait and see, but other than more histrionics - and nitpicky “analyses” like Prof. Turley’s they probably don’t have much left.

But I can pretty much guarantee that Fox and the rest of the RWNM are going to be going full lights-and-sirens on the “Turley destroyed the Democrats’ case!!!!” tack (see #190) for tonight’s news (complete with the usual out-of-context citations, head-nodding concurrences from the talking-heads, and brilliant “analysis” from the likes of Jeanine Pirro), and try to blare COMPLETE EXONERATION!!11!!1! at every opportunity.

You can bet Pirro won’t have Napolitano on tonight.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:30:34am

re: #234 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You can bet Pirro won’t have Napolitano on tonight.

I think Democrats should have called him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:30:46am
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Eventual Carrion  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:31:13am

re: #201 Targetpractice

Given everything else we’ve seen so far, I’d say the rule changes to SNAP are more about goosing the numbers in a bald-faced effort to salvage Trump’s reelection chances. He’s a man who lives for “numbers” and the idea that 700K “left” the SNAP roles gets turned into an ad about how many he’s “put back to work.”

Without those pesky images of the tiny caskets being lowered into the ground.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:32:58am

Fox News has a story up about the GOP candidate that said Omar should be hanged and the comments are…about what you’d expect:

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:36:46am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s a convenient the only way for Klayman to get his name in the news again.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:37:55am

re: #238 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox News has a story up about the GOP candidate that said Omar should be hanged and the comments are…about what you’d expect:

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Fine Christians all…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:40:47am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:43:24am

THE END IS NIGH !

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:43:55am

re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is a great example.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:44:02am

re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

…or summarily stonewalling congress by withholding all document requests and prohibiting anyone subpoenaed from testifying, tying it up in courts in hopes to run out the clock

how many times have his various tax return related cases gone against him, at all levels? i believe it’s every single one so far.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:44:13am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

THE END IS NIGH !

He is always the rebel.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:44:44am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

THE END IS NIGH !

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Hey, the world survived Keith getting off the sauce, I think we can survive this. Now, if you’ll excuse me, there’s four guys on horseback knocking at my front door…

//

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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:44:45am

re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Turley’s own history makes it clear that impeachment covers non-criminal acts.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:45:28am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Strictly edibles now?

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:48:33am

Faux previewing tonight’s talking point:

White House, GOP cite evidence of Democrat law prof witnesses’ past anti-Trump bias

Nothing about the GOP witness’ past as a total hack for hire.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:52:14am
KARLAN: If I can say one last thing about the interests of the United States: The Constitution of the United States does not care whether the next president of the United States is Donald J. Trump or any one of the Democrats or anybody running on a third party. The Constitution is indifferent to that. What the Constitution cares about is that we have free elections. And so, it is only in the president’s interest, it’s not the national interest that a particular president be elected or be defeated at the next election. The Constitution is indifferent to that.

dailykos.com

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:55:31am
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Jay C  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:55:46am

re: #247 Mike Lamb

Turley’s own history makes it clear that impeachment covers non-criminal acts.

Yeah, but…
that was then, this is now!

To me, it seems seemed odd that the GOP’s first “expert witness” before the HJC would be a law professor whose “analysis” regarding Presidential impeachment would basically contradict virtually every opinion he had had on the subject for the past twenty years.

But then, as I opined above, it’s likely Turley was just there to generate on-the-record soundbites to be cherry-picked and mis-applied by RW “news” media; so contradictions are expected to go unmentioned (SPOILER: they probably won’t).

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:56:00am

I’m absolutely done with today.

Just…fuck everything.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:59:04am

re: #251 Charles Johnson

All of these guys have such punchable faces.

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John Hughes  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:59:20am

re: #77 Jay C

Like it or not, the asshole IS the POTUS: an insult to him reflects on all of us.

Well, you know, as not one of you, if you feel like that, the insult is meant.

You feel hurt when we insult him? Feel it baby, it’s for you too.

While we can make fun of The Orange Anus for being a big baby, now that he’s ticked off at NATO leaders, he’s likely to want to get back at them somehow. And that “how” is HUGELY unlikely to be good for the country and/or its international relationships.

Don’t get it. You thought electing that thing would be or should be without consequence?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 11:59:24am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

THE END IS NIGH !

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:02:59pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:03:14pm

re: #251 Charles Johnson

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The media has an entire catalogue of such articles to pull from, but I don’t imagine we’re going to hear about any of them except perhaps in passing. The corporate media has been desperate for any angle to this story that might in some way shore up the defenses around Trump and getting Turley out there as the “lone expert against impeachment” will be the way forward for them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:06:39pm

re: #258 Targetpractice

The media has an entire catalogue of such articles to pull from, but I don’t imagine we’re going to hear about any of them except perhaps in passing. The corporate media has been desperate for any angle to this story that might in some way shore up the defenses around Trump and getting Turley out there as the “lone expert against impeachment” will be the way forward for them.

like the “lone scientist who rejects climate change”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:06:56pm

Psssssssst!! Gohmert!!

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:07:29pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:09:35pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:10:16pm

louie: media reports and books are not evidence

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:11:11pm

re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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i’ve spent since tuesday before thanksgiving fighting a uti myself

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:11:12pm

re: #263 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

louie: media reports and books are not evidence

History tells you nothing about the past.

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Amory Blaine  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:11:13pm

Holy shit I walk in the house and asparagus aficionado Gohmert is on.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:11:49pm

re: #262 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Urinary tract. Jimmah has been told repeatedly not to use his dick as a nail driver. It violates Habitat safety regs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:12:35pm

re: #264 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

i’ve spent since tuesday before thanksgiving fighting a uti myself

I used to be proud of running around in shorts from April to October until I went out one sunny spring morning when the air was still too chilly…

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:12:49pm

How dare you cast asparagus against my honor.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:13:17pm

Reminder that if all Republicans stand athwart the law, it’s somehow bad news for Dems and shows that Dems are the ones that don’t respect the law, because otherwise, they’d have had some GOPers vote with them.

The inherent privileging of GOP as the only true model of governance and rule, and treatment of Dems as inherently illegitimate, requiring the grace and blessing of brilliant Republicans to validate them or else they prove how illegitimate they are.

I…f.ffffffffffffffffffff—————

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:14:56pm

Far less than half of voters voted for Trump in the first place, and based on overall Congressional votes cast, far fewer people voted for the GOP. We just have a system that is currently stacked in their favor and has given them an electoral majority in the Senate and the EC.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:16:08pm

re: #270 Citizen K

Reminder that if all Republicans stand athwart the law, it’s somehow bad news for Dems and shows that Dems are the ones that don’t respect the law, because otherwise, they’d have had some GOPers vote with them.

The inherent privileging of GOP as the only true model of governance and rule, and treatment of Dems as inherently illegitimate, requiring the grace and blessing of brilliant Republicans to validate them or else they prove how illegitimate they are.

I…f.ffffffffffffffffffff—————

It will be seen by a third of Americans that way.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:16:18pm
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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:16:37pm
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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:17:21pm

re: #270 Citizen K

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Reminder that if all Republicans stand athwart the law, it’s somehow bad news for Dems and shows that Dems are the ones that don’t respect the law, because otherwise, they’d have had some GOPers vote with them.

The inherent privileging of GOP as the only true model of governance and rule, and treatment of Dems as inherently illegitimate, requiring the grace and blessing of brilliant Republicans to validate them or else they prove how illegitimate they are.

I…f.ffffffffffffffffffff—————

Everyone must bow to the God of Both Sides. It is wholly irrelevant what objective reality dictates.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:17:56pm

re: #272 Belafon

It will be seen by a third of Americans that way.

We’ll be lucky if it’s just a third.

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:18:24pm
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Mike Lamb  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:19:27pm

re: #274 Dread Pirate

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The chutzpah is breath taking.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:19:43pm

I’ve had it up to here with the endless GOP hypocrisy on every point imaginable, coupled with the insistence by 95+% of the mainstream media on the Great Both-Siderist Lie.

The Republican party is an evil organization rapidly perfecting its version of fascism, and is utterly without redeeming value. Anyone who votes GOP in a contested general election is a pig-person supporting the party of hate, bigotry, willful stupidity and tax cuts only for the rich.

It’s about damn time the media started reporting on this 800 lb gorilla in the room.

Today’s both-siderists, if sent back in time to Weimar Germany, would clearly only deplore street violence done by the communists. Hitler and the Nazis would get a pass on everything.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:20:09pm

Rep Hank Johnson. I love the way he speaks and questions he asks.

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John Hughes  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:20:21pm

re: #168 The Pie Overlord!

Ben Shapiro hates Jews. He is an antisemite.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:20:48pm

jordan pissed that the dems ‘predetermined’ the process

interesting about all those senators who already telegraphed their vote

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Dave In Austin  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:21:04pm

I have Gym muted

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:21:06pm

re: #281 John Hughes

Ben Shapiro hates Jews. He is an antisemite.

Ben Shapiro is a 21st century version of a Jewish Nazi.

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Belafon  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:21:34pm

re: #282 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

jordan pissed that the dems ‘predetermined’ the process

Well, the Constitution allows them to do that.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:23:44pm

re: #282 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

jordan pissed that the dems ‘predetermined’ the process

interesting about all those senators who already telegraphed their vote

Evidence supporting the thesis that Trump should be impeached: overwhelming

Evidence against the thesis that Trump should be impeached: nonexistent

That’s the exact opposite of a predetermined conclusion. Republicans just don’t like where the evidence leads to when their beloved Satan’s Anus president is a serial crook and liar who is too stupid to keep his criminality within the normal bounds for Republicans.

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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:23:59pm

re: #283 Dave In Austin

I have Gym muted

Good idea. What an asshole.

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John Hughes  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:24:02pm

re: #179 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

along with a few rounds of ammunition, which weren’t for the rifle.

Well what fucking use is that going to be in a baby shower? Not even the right caliber?

Meanwhile some gun nut is freaked out hen he opens his package.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:25:00pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:25:08pm

The long and short of it:

Dems: “You’ve seen the evidence against Trump. Is he guilty?”
Witness #1: “Yes, he’s guilty.”
Witness #2: “Yes, he’s guilty. Also, fuck you Collins.”
Witness #3: “Yes, he’s guilty.”
Turley: “Ya’ll are just angry at him! Also, I’m totally unbiased, which is why I think Congress has to meet a totally unconstitutional and ridiculous standard to impeach him.”

GOP: “THIS WHOLE PROCESS IS MOVING TOO FAST FOR SOMETHING WE’VE GRIPED HAS BEEN 3 YEARS IN THE MAKING! ALSO, THE DEM WITNESSES ARE TOTALLY BIASED!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:25:35pm

Was that a clip of Gohmert Pyle…or a scene from Half-Baked?????

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:25:43pm

re: #287 BigPapa

Good idea. What an asshole.

Looking the other way to enable sexual predators, like Jordan did, is such a GOP resume item for high political office.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:27:16pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:29:54pm

re: #293 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Merely reciting what their Pulpit Pimp preached last Sunday…

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John Hughes  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:30:47pm

re: #182 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

I wonder if the foreign leaders have decided that any sense of tact regarding Trump is not worth the effort at this point. There is no value in it since deferring to him just triggers further attempts by him to bully. His comments regarding them immediately turn to insults anyways when he is denied being given what he wants. And his word is meaningless anyways.

Historically no leader of an American ally was nice to the US president because there was “value” in it. A friend is a friend. There is no point in being “nice” to Trump because he is not a friend, and there is little downside because he is an idiot and a coward.

(This from the point of view of European countries with solid alliances, the calculus is much harder for places like Ukraine, the 3rd world and so on).

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William Lewis  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:33:49pm

re: #277 jeffreyw

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Seems awfully complicated when all anyone needs is oatmeal-raisin :D

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:35:38pm

re: #295 John Hughes

Historically no leader of an American ally was nice to the US president because there was “value” in it. A friend is a friend. There is no point in being “nice” to Trump because he is not a friend, and there is little downside because he is an idiot and a coward.

He really expects them to sit idly by while he makes comments about how the EU and NATO exist only to take advantage of the USA…

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jeffreyw  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:38:23pm

re: #296 William Lewis

Seems awfully complicated when all anyone needs is oatmeal-raisin :D

There would have been raisins but the was no room left in the bowl. Perfect Christmas cookie.

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John Hughes  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:38:46pm

re: #189 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

My mum was hiking through the forests of Romania with her sister and saw a very good looking dog following them. They lost sight of the dog and kept on. From time to time over the next few hours they saw the dog in the distance, always following.

Eventually they arrived at the inn they were staying at that night and talked to the innkeeper about that they had seen. The truth soon became obvious — they had been followed by a wolf all day.

True story.

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jaunte  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:39:20pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:39:32pm

if the R’s were right in this thinking, anything any lawyer said talking to the press outside a courtroom would have to be included as part of the official record

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:41:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:47:38pm

re: #293 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Lincoln also signed the Homestead Act and the funding for the Transcontinental Railroad. Abe got more done sleeping than Trump has. Trump hasn’t done shit. He got the tax cuts via Ryan and the two SCOTUS judges via Mitch.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:47:56pm

re: #302 Charles Johnson

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The Repubs think this is going to bolster their defense, but really all it’s doing is help chip away at it. Besides the reality that cases are tried on circumstantial evidence every day in America, the fact that the WH continues to prevent fact witnesses from testifying before Congress only provides further evidence to support an Obstruction of Congress article.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:49:06pm

re: #302 Charles Johnson

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He’s being intentionally dense. And it’s no wonder the GOP made him their witness.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:49:31pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Lincoln also signed the Homestead Act and the funding for the Transcontinental Railroad. Abe got more done sleeping than Trump has. Trump hasn’t done shit. He got the tax cuts via Ryan and the two SCOTUS judges via Mitch.

It is a matter of belief: Right now, Trump, Reagan and Lincoln are considered by the True Believers to be the three greatest Presidents (in that order)

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:49:33pm

re: #304 Targetpractice

The Repubs think this is going to bolster their defense, but really all it’s doing is help chip away at it. Besides the reality that cases are tried on circumstantial evidence every day in America, the fact that the WH continues to prevent fact witnesses from testifying before Congress only provides further evidence to support an Obstruction of Congress article.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:49:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:50:20pm

Bottom line—Turley believes Republicans are above the law.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:50:54pm

ms roby: you want transparency and openness?

talk to the white house

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Dread Pirate  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:51:07pm
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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:51:32pm

‘process’ includes the WH complying with congressional subpoenas

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:51:46pm

re: #304 Targetpractice

The Repubs think this is going to bolster their defense, but really all it’s doing is help chip away at it. Besides the reality that cases are tried on circumstantial evidence every day in America, the fact that the WH continues to prevent fact witnesses from testifying before Congress only provides further evidence to support an Obstruction of Congress article.

Beyond a reasonable doubt is for convictions. You have much wider waters for indictment. I see Turley is pals with Barr and an advocate for “non intervention” FP so this to me explains why he’s being obtuse.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:51:54pm

re: #274 Dread Pirate

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Rudy and The Donald appear to be pretty confident that they have all this stuff beat and that it’s going to continue to be (mafia) business as usual.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:51:59pm

Bleh. And the continued flagellation of Kamala as well as her supporters seems to continue unabated. Apparently the fact that we haven’t repented by immediately crucifying her for being the false prophet they always knew her as means we’re monsters as well, and anti-black racists just like she was.

Again, I’m seeing the immediate Hillary parallels where it’s not enough that she failed, it’s not enough that the haters get to say ‘I told you so’ in their minds. They need a pound of flesh, they need penance from their adversaries and for them to not only suffer, but to be held up as examples in the town square, beaten and wailing repentance and mercy. They didn’t want her to just not win, they want her obliterated and held up as an example of anyone that crosses their “righteous” cause.

And they’re getting rewarded for it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:52:40pm

re: #306 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a matter of belief: Right now, Trump, Reagan and Lincoln are considered by the True Believers to be the three greatest Presidents (in that order)

What are you talking about? They hate Lincoln. Some of them use Lincoln to claim they can’t be racist but actual rank and file conservatives despise Lincoln.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:54:09pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

What are you talking about? They hate Lincoln. Some of them use Lincoln to claim they can’t be racist but actual rank and file conservatives despise Lincoln.

they need to nod to Lincoln so they can then point out that Democrats were the KKK slaveholding party

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:55:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:55:33pm

re: #315 Citizen K

Bleh. And the continued flagellation of Kamala as well as her supporters seems to continue unabated. Apparently the fact that we haven’t repented by immediately crucifying her for being the false prophet they always knew her as means we’re monsters as well, and anti-black racists just like she was.

Again, I’m seeing the immediate Hillary parallels where it’s not enough that she failed, it’s not enough that the haters get to say ‘I told you so’ in their minds. They need a pound of flesh, they need penance from their adversaries and for them to not only suffer, but to be held up as examples in the town square, beaten and wailing repentance and mercy. They didn’t want her to just not win, they want her obliterated and held up as an example of anyone that crosses their “righteous” cause.

And they’re getting rewarded for it.

One of my libertarian acquaintances was huffing at the piece calling out the racism. He flat out doesn’t want to acknowledge that Harris’s past as a prosecutor used to attack her was crap. No one in the Libertarian movement faulted Bill Weld for being a “cop” (former US Attorney.)

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:55:49pm

re: #314 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)

Rudy and The Donald appear to be pretty confident that they have all this stuff beat and that it’s going to continue to be (mafia) business as usual.

IMO, everything depends on whether or not the wall of Omertà surrounding Trump’s (alleged) money gets breached before the Ukraine articles of impeachment go to the Senate.

If yes, all bets are off.

If no, Senate Republicans will enable their crime-lord, and we’ll have to hope to exact retribution in the undoubtedly tainted 2020 election.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:56:47pm

re: #317 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they need to nod to Lincoln so they can then point out that Democrats were the KKK slaveholding party

They never claim him as a great president the way they do Reagan and now Trump. They just use him being a Republican.

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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:57:12pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

What are you talking about? They hate Lincoln. Some of them use Lincoln to claim they can’t be racist but actual rank and file conservatives despise Lincoln.

I expect Lincoln (D) to make its way into right wing reality shortly.

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Citizen K  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:58:17pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

One of my libertarian acquaintances was huffing at the piece calling out the racism. He flat out doesn’t want to acknowledge that Harris’s past as a prosecutor used to attack her was crap. No one in the Libertarian movement faulted Bill Weld for being a “cop” (former US Attorney.)

And we’re getting folks calling out Harris supporters for being indignant and defensive, and not showing grace too. You know, at the exact same time people are still clubbing the still-warm body of her campaign and wanting to chase her out of politics altogether apparently.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:59:27pm

re: #318 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I have doubts that this is going to, as was remarked upthread, “move the needle” in their favor. The Dems have three witnesses who’ve provided plenty of soundbites to support their side. And any news agency that chooses to expend the time can put Turley’s soundbites next to those from the Clinton impeachment to totally neuter his “authority.”

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 12:59:32pm

re: #322 EPR-radar

I expect Lincoln (D) to make its way into right wing reality shortly.

I mean it’s not new. It’s become more of a thing as the party is filled by the descendants of CSA men. Teddy Roosevelt is another past GOP President that has lost favor among the GOP base in recent years. There’s a reason why CCJ wrote an adoring biography of Coolidge.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:00:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:00:15pm
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EPR-radar  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:00:37pm

By the way, this Turley dipshit badly needs to disappear up his own asshole.

He defended the Clinton impeachment, which resulted from years of GOP witch hunting finding absolutely nothing except a lie Bill Clinton told under oath about something that was none of Starr’s business.

Now Turley has the gall to bleat about how ‘suddenly’ we have this impeachment of Trump, and why not earlier presented?

Total hypocrite.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:02:30pm

re: #327 Charles Johnson

A veritable All-Star Team of numbskullery.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:02:43pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

I have doubts that this is going to, as was remarked upthread, “move the needle” in their favor. The Dems have three witnesses who’ve provided plenty of soundbites to support their side. And any news agency that chooses to expend the time can put Turley’s soundbites next to those from the Clinton impeachment to totally neuter his “authority.”

I feel pretty good about this. Honestly I think most people know where they stand on this one way or the other but what the other three professors did today was to show the rationale for impeachment. Turley is rightfully going to be asked why his rhetoric Clinton was different than Trump and the dog shit makes him look silly.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:04:07pm

re: #328 EPR-radar

By the way, this Turley dipshit badly needs to disappear up his own asshole.

He defended the Clinton impeachment, which resulted from years of GOP witch hunting finding absolutely nothing except a lie Bill Clinton told under oath about something that was none of Starr’s business.

Now Turley has the gall to bleat about how ‘suddenly’ we have this impeachment of Trump, and why not earlier presented?

Total hypocrite.

Exactly. And the media I think for all their faults will point this out.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:04:36pm

I went out grocery shopping & came back to see Matt Gaetz spewing breathtaking bulkshit. I guess I did not miss anything.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:04:53pm

re: #330 HappyWarrior

I feel pretty good about this. Honestly I think most people know where they stand on this one way or the other but what the other three professors did today was to show the rationale for impeachment. Turley is rightfully going to be asked why his rhetoric Clinton was different than Trump and the dog shit makes him look silly.

There’s multiple interpretations of this and I love them all.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:05:12pm

More people support impeach and removal of Trump than ever have Clinton or Nixon. Just put that in perspective here.

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The Pie Overlord!  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:06:02pm
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BigPapa  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:06:20pm

Gaetz is doing what the right has been doing for a long time: objectivity doesn’t exist. Everyone is biased, therefore, if you gave $500 to Obama you can never be trusted.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:07:16pm

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s multiple interpretations of this and I love them all.

Haha I was referring specifically to the bit about how even his dog is angry about this. But the whole thing about how you can’t impeach Trump because the witnesses he hasn’t allowed to testify haven’t testified is some dog shit logic. It’s absurd and he knows it.

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Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:07:44pm

the facts are not disputed

the spin of the facts is what’s in dispute

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:08:15pm

WTFITS?

George Zimmerman, acquitted of killing unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin in 2012, is now suing Martin’s family and others for more than $100 million.

…..
OH, look, A giant shit is behind it all…

Zimmerman’s attorney Larry Klayman, a former U.S. Justice Department prosecutor and the founder of the conservative activist group Judicial Watch, said the case against his client hinged on testimony from “fake witness” Diamond Eugene.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:08:16pm

re: #335 The Pie Overlord!

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So lemme get this straight. This is a terrible witch hunt but you want to impeach a former president retroactively. Yeah you’re full of shit.

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Targetpractice  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:08:19pm

I wouldn’t get disheartened by the initial headlines we’ll see from today, whether that the hearing was “boring,” that the Repubs made a lot of noise about “process,” or that the experts called were “divided.” We heard a lot of the same opinions masquerading as “analysis” during the Intel Committee hearings and they did little to stop the Dems from solidifying the case for impeachment. There’s a whole day until the next hearing, plenty of time for “new media” to finish the job Turley started of shredding whatever remaining credibility he had.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:10:28pm

re: #338 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)

the facts are not disputed

the spin of the facts is what’s in dispute

They really think this is just because we’re upset over the 2016 results and damn right I am upset but this is an impeachable offense. I forgot which professor said it but if this isn’t impeachable, what is? And the Republicans in the House have some brass balls crying vendetta when many of them openly talked about impeaching HRC on day 1.

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FFL (GOP Delenda Est)  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:18:18pm

re: #331 HappyWarrior

Exactly. And the media I think for all their faults will point this out.

I expect that Turley won’t answer questions from anyone but FOX. And they won’t make the comparison and ask the questions making clear that he’s being a total hypocrite in his testimony.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:22:10pm

re: #324 Targetpractice

I have doubts that this is going to, as was remarked upthread, “move the needle” in their favor. The Dems have three witnesses who’ve provided plenty of soundbites to support their side. And any news agency that chooses to expend the time can put Turley’s soundbites next to those from the Clinton impeachment to totally neuter his “authority.”

re: #330 HappyWarrior

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

The problem is that FOX News will never include any past statement/opinions by Turley to contradict his arguments today. So, a good quarter of the media consuming population will never consider his statements today other than absolute canon

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Teddy's Person  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:28:46pm

re: #311 Dread Pirate

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Everyone take a moment to send thoughts and prayers to Luna, who puts up with treasonous Turly (who’s helping Trump sell America to the highest bidders) on a daily basis.

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Yeah Sure WhatEVs  Dec 4, 2019 • 1:38:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 4, 2019 • 2:27:42pm

re: #298 jeffreyw

There would have been raisins but the was no room left in the bowl. Perfect Christmas cookie.

just as well…it can be very difficult to tell the difference between a raisin and a baked-in housefly at just a passing glance…


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