Seth takes a closer look at the House Judiciary Committee debating two articles of impeachment against President Trump.
Trump on the Senate impeachment trial: “I’ll do whatever I want … I’ll do long or short.” (McConnell told Hannity last night he’ll do whatever Trump’s lawyers want him to do.) pic.twitter.com/34JhPBF4TQ
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) December 13, 2019
from downstairs:
At this point he’s just saying random things… https://t.co/vGRjGT5GVP
— Joy Reid (@JoyAnnReid) December 13, 2019
re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth
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I’ll take a wild guess that the “numbers” he’s being shown are the result of his staff cherry-picking polls, if not outright fabricating them in order to keep him convinced of the fantasy that he’s a wildly popular president. Probably BSing him that the media are “oversampling” Dems to make him look bad.
cool:
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— Megan Rapinoe (@mPinoe) December 13, 2019
Meet Udon. The finest noodle in the city. pic.twitter.com/q42P4tOh0d
— Officer Edith (@OfficerEdith) December 13, 2019
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— (((Yair Rosenberg))) (@Yair_Rosenberg) December 13, 2019
I think Rep Scanlon really put it best yesterday during the debate, that her vote was not for sale and no matter how much “good” a president does, he should not be able to skate on violating the Constitution. That’s how you get a dictator, when you forgive a leader’s violating of the basic compact a nation exists under because of fear that holding him accountable will hurt the nation.
re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth
Trump hypes fake polls: “I could show you numbers that, nobody has ever seen numbers like this.”
Imagine if my boss told me sales were down and I responded: “They’re actually not. I can show you numbers that, nobody has ever seen numbers like this.”
He’d either look at me like I’m crazy or fire me on the spot. Or both.
Nancy has got to do something:
Cnn
… Trump’s lead White House counsel Pat Cipollone met with Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Capitol Hill Thursday to discuss those details
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While no final decisions have been made, McConnell and Cipollone agreed that when a trial begins, the House Democratic impeachment managers would have an opportunity to present, followed by the Trump’s lawyers presenting the President’s defense, sources said
The defense is orchestrating the trial and the rules
re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg
Trump hypes fake polls: “I could show you numbers that, nobody has ever seen numbers like this.”
Imagine if my boss told me sales were down and I responded: “They’re actually not. I can show you numbers that, nobody has ever seen numbers like this.”
He’d either look at me like I’m crazy or fire me on the spot. Or both.
“Ok show me”
re: #9 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
Nancy has got to do something:
CnnThe defense is orchestrating the trial and the rules
The Senate runs the trial.
Really, about the only positive about the Senate “trial” at this point is that McConnell lacks the votes to do some of the more twisted shit that Donny no doubt wants. Like turning it into a “trial” of the Bidens/DNC.
re: #12 Targetpractice
Really, about the only positive about the Senate “trial” at this point is that McConnell lacks the votes to do some of the more twisted shit that Donny no doubt wants. Like turning it into a “trial” of the Bidens/DNC.
Yeah, I’m really hoping for some GOP rifts that make the trial interesting.
Whatever happens after this leaves the House, the Democrats have done their job. Whatever happens in the Senate is not Pelosi’s fault. Schumer an Co can try to act like House Democrats, but Republicans in the Senate are in charge. And they will do the things that House Republicans were hoping to do.
Do not blame the Democrats, and do not decide it’s all for not because the Democrats aren’t in control of the Senate.
re: #10 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
It’s his go to claim, even though not a single poll supports this:
— Colin Campbell (@colincampbell) December 5, 2019
Most of the polls among GOP supporters is around 80-90%. Nothing approaching 95%, though even 90% is cult of personality territory.
I’m not sure if Biden actaully said this, but Fox was attributing to him that the UK vote means that Democrats should be wary of moving too far left.
re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg
Yeah, I’m really hoping for some GOP rifts that make the trial interesting.
I rather think that’s why Yertle and Leningrad Lindsey want a speedy “trial,” with rumors that they’ll take an acquittal vote the moment they have 51 solid votes for such. This isn’t voting for a bill, so they can’t have Pence come in and provide the tie-breaker.
re: #12 Targetpractice
Really, about the only positive about the Senate “trial” at this point is that McConnell lacks the votes to do some of the more twisted shit that Donny no doubt wants. Like turning it into a “trial” of the Bidens/DNC.
Oh, they want to go that route? That opens the door for Biden to testify and remind everyone that Ivanka and Jared and Junior are all profiting from Trump’s position today. These unqualified fuckers are in that position on nepotism alone, and but for Trump stepping in, Ivanka and Jared wouldn’t have the clearances necessary to be in govt.
I’m half wanting the GOP to call on the Bidens and others to testify, only for Democrats to agree - to completely discredit the GOP entirely with nonsense. None of them are expecting the Bidens to actually testify, because there’s nothing to any of this.
Yertle is caught between the proverbial rock and hard place: The WH lawyers (read: Trump) are gonna demand a show trial in order to generate “ratings,” with the belief that making the trial all about the Bidens will look good for his reelection. Yet odds are that the most vulnerable Senate Repubs (Collins, Gardner, Murkowski, etc) are gonna balk at actually taking votes to allow such. There’s a good chance that the whole thing will end up like the Clinton impeachment: The Senate Repub “moderates” working with the Senate Dem leadership to push through quick and relatively civil proceedings with none of the chaos that the party extremists demand.
re: #19 Targetpractice
Yertle is caught between the proverbial rock and hard place: The WH lawyers (read: Trump) are gonna demand a show trial in order to generate “ratings,” with the belief that making the trial all about the Bidens will look good for his reelection. Yet odds are that the most vulnerable Senate Repubs (Collins, Gardner, Murkowski, etc) are gonna balk at actually taking votes to allow such. There’s a good chance that the whole thing will end up like the Clinton impeachment: The Senate Repub “moderates” working with the Senate Dem leadership to push through quick and relatively civil proceedings with none of the chaos that the party extremists demand.
Mitt is another wild card too.
Another thing to bear in mind: Schumer is not Pelosi. I have serious doubts that he’s gonna hold a hard line and try to push for a prolonged trial or put too much effort into anything more than perfunctory proceedings. I suspect if Yertle comes to him with reasonable terms that allow him some say over how things happen, Chuck will sign off on them and then tell his caucus that they were the “best” they could hope for.
re: #11 Belafon
The Senate runs the trial.
i mean like this
Nancy Pelosi and House Democrats should absolutely refuse to send the impeachment to the brazenly corrupt Mitch McConnell. They should just keep the impeachment open until Trump leaves office. There is so much to investigate it will easily outstrip his natural life. https://t.co/87lj1FqYok
— A.R. Moxon (@JuliusGoat) December 13, 2019
“we’re not sending articles of impeachment to a senate that is supposed to act as jurors who are instead coordinating with the ‘defendant’ and have decided on the verdict before being sworn to “do impartial justice” nor hearing one word of evidence.”
re: #21 Targetpractice
Another thing to bear in mind: Schumer is not Pelosi. I have serious doubts that he’s gonna hold a hard line and try to push for a prolonged trial or put too much effort into anything more than perfunctory proceedings. I suspect if Yertle comes to him with reasonable terms that allow him some say over how things happen, Chuck will sign off on them and then tell his caucus that they were the “best” they could hope for.
Schumer isn’t in charge of the Senate.
re: #22 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
i mean like this
“we’re not sending articles of impeachment to a senate that is supposed to act as jurors who are instead coordinating with the ‘defendant’ and have decided on the verdict before being sworn to “do impartial justice” nor hearing one word of evidence.”
I know, but Pelosi can do that because she’s in charge of the House.
re: #15 lawhawk
It’s his go to claim, even though not a single poll supports this:
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Most of the polls among GOP supporters is around 80-90%. Nothing approaching 95%, though even 90% is cult of personality territory.
and if i only poll my family i get 100%
re: #23 Belafon
Schumer isn’t in charge of the Senate.
He isn’t, he’s minority leader. And since the rules of a “trial” are put to a vote of the full Senate, he has leverage if Yertle finds himself falling short on votes. So there will be negotiations (even if they’re conducted in bad faith) about the rules of the whole mess.
I needed to see this photo today. https://t.co/4gv3EYQPmj
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2019
re: #24 Belafon
I know, but Pelosi can do that because she’s in charge of the House.
when i said she should ‘do something’ this is all i meant
It was a perfect story, read the transcript. https://t.co/P1ssMbYB1X
— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) December 13, 2019
You need two thirds of the senate to convict right? So a 50-50 split would just mean no conviction?
re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg
You need two thirds of the senate to convict right? So a 50-50 split would just mean no conviction?
Yep. Just like in 1999.
(Ask any of the 14 Senators still serving who voted back then)
re: #31 Eclectic Cyborg
You need two thirds of the senate to convict right? So a 50-50 split would just mean no conviction?
as i understand it, procedure and rules are by simple majority vote, verdict is 2/3
re: #34 lawhawk
And now…. for something completely different:
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That … was.. amazing. Bravo! I knew just enough to not be completely lost though I imagine if I knew Hebrew it would have been even more fun.
I did have to look up what a sufganiyah was (yum. Know them too just didn’t know that name for them :)
re: #36 William Lewis
You owe me one jelly donut /Sgt. Hartman’s voice
(and I’m not a fan of jelly donuts).
Democrats attending the party included:
Antonio Delgado (NY-19): Trump won district.
Elaine Luria (VA-2) & Susie Lee (NV-3): Trump won in 16. Jim Costa (CA-16): Trump lost in 16. Josh Harder (CA-10) Trump lost in 16. Gil Cisneros (CA-39): Trump lost in 16 voting 4 impeachment.— David Longhofer (@dal2077) December 13, 2019
re: #38 Dread Pirate
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Democrats attending the party included:
Antonio Delgado (NY-19): Trump won district.
Elaine Luria (VA-2) & Susie Lee (NV-3): Trump won in 16. Jim Costa (CA-16): Trump lost in 16. Josh Harder (CA-10) Trump lost in 16. Gil Cisneros (CA-39): Trump lost in 16 voting 4 impeachment.
*sigh*
I think it would be helpful for the media to review the indictments against the Internet Research Agency, as framing stories as successful efforts to push Russian propaganda on the American people (rather than beliefs they came up with on their own) would help neutralize it https://t.co/1kB1Gi84Ly
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) December 13, 2019
Similarly, instead of just showing people threatening civil war, have a reporter say, “A federal indictment against Russia’s troll farm revealed that instigating civil war was one of their goals. That propaganda has made it into the minds of Americans…[rest of story]”
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) December 13, 2019
BTW, I would not be surprised AT ALL if the “Trump should have a third term” nonsense — the one Mike Huckabee was pushing yesterday — is another one of these divisive tactics which Republicans are wittingly or unwittingly pushing into the mainstream
— Asha Rangappa (@AshaRangappa_) December 13, 2019
I’ve finally figured it out. Matt Gaetz looks like that kid in everyone’s class who took a strip of scotch tape, attached one end to his nose, pulled it tight, and then put the other end on his forehead.
I’m curious what those Dems rationale is for attending the Holiday party.
re: #42 Barefoot Grin
I’ve finally figured it out. Matt Gaetz looks like that kid in everyone’s class who took a strip of scotch tape, attached one end to his nose, pulled it tight, and then put the other end on his forehead.
He looks like every preppie asshole in high school who strutted around like a badass until someone threw him a beating.
re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg
I’m curious what those Dems rationale is for attending the Holiday party.
Killer eggnog.
re: #38 Dread Pirate
Josh Harder (CA-10) Trump lost in 16.
The Republicans are trying to take back Josh Harder’s Central Valley district (which he won by 5% against a 4 term Republican). His district borders on the SF Bay Area (and has some of the Bay Area exurbs, though Modesto is the largest city), and he was briefly in venture capital so there were silly allegations of him being a puppet of Nancy Pelosi and Bay Area liberals.
Hannity: “I was shocked that former President Obama left so many [judicial] vacancies and didn’t try to fill those positions.”
Mitch McConnell: “I’ll tell you why. I was in charge of what we did the last two years of the Obama administration. [Creepy evil laugh]” pic.twitter.com/revbToN8aZ— Jason Campbell (@JasonSCampbell) December 13, 2019
re: #48 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
JFC.
And this will work, because Fox viewers are totally stupid enough to believe that Obama was just a lazy motherfucker who didn’t want to appoint judges.
THE VACANCIES WERE LEFT BECAUSE THE SENATE BLOCKED EVERYONE OBAMA TRIED TO GET ON THE BENCH!
re: #39 Teukka
Another unsolicted dick pic:
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like i wrote, that electoral-vote.com wrote yesterday - five big parallels between nixon/watergate and trump, aside from paranoia and psychopathy
- Republican politicians launching a full-out assault on someone who is a veteran and a dedicated public servant with a spotless record (ellsberg), just to cover for the bad behavior of a Republican president
- president implying that pardons will be given to anyone who breaks the law on his behalf.
- president and his underlings brazenly trample on campaign finance laws.
- White House Press Secretary knowingly lying through their teeth to obscure the president’s shady behavior.
- attorney general acting as a hatchet man for the president.
re: #50 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
But the one major difference is that Nixon realized how fucked he was and actually decided to step down.
Trump will NEVER do that.
re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg
But the one major difference is that Nixon realized how fucked he was and actually decided to step down.
Trump will NEVER do that.
Eventually, enough Republicans told Nixon they couldn’t support him any longer.
re: #52 Belafon
Eventually, enough Republicans told Nixon they couldn’t support him any longer.
Yes, back when the GOP actually had those amazing things known as spines.
re: #51 Eclectic Cyborg
But the one major difference is that Nixon realized how fucked he was and actually decided to step down.
Trump will NEVER do that.
true - unfortunately there’s no leverage to do that
nixon was early in his second term - so there was time
he directed his admin to cooperate, comply, deliver dox, and testify
he didnt blockade everything so there was discovery and testimony
the subpoenas he did disputed were settled by scotus in 3 1/2 months (he lost) - it was that little bit of info (the wh tape of the day after the break in that sunk him)
how trumps claim of total immunity from everything can take a year or more to resolve in court is beyond me
trump rarely wins in court. what he is is a master at delaying
in fact i fully would expect the day after scotus ruled against him on either the taxes or subpoenas he refiles yet another suit to again try to stop the clock
She had it coming….
That’s Trumpworld for you. Blame the victim of Trump’s belligerency and misogyny.— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 13, 2019
re: #55 lawhawk
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And Melania just plays as an activist since the First Lady is expected to do so.
re: #55 lawhawk
ok I’ll play and justify Pamela karlan:
“donald trump chose to name his son after a title of nobility”//
Be best, right? https://t.co/vRwLJI2KGj
— Janet Johnson (@JJohnsonLaw) December 13, 2019
He likely won’t be removed by a badly-compromised GOP Senate, but the stain of trump’s impeachment will last far longer than any stain on a blue dress.
— BrooklynDad_Defiant! (@mmpadellan) December 13, 2019
The same as the basis of all constitutional originalism: it is currently politically convenient for a Republican
— Buck Frexit (@HindChristopher) December 13, 2019
re: #50 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
like i wrote, that electoral-vote.com wrote yesterday - five big parallels between nixon/watergate and trump, aside from paranoia and psychopathy
- Republican politicians launching a full-out assault on someone who is a veteran and a dedicated public servant with a spotless record (ellsberg), just to cover for the bad behavior of a Republican president
weeellll…
Yeah, Ellsberg’s record was spotless right up until he committed major-league felonies. Nobody was making that up about him.
He was willing to pay the price; he absolutely understood that by his actions he was signing himself up to spend the rest of his life in prison. He did it anyway because he thought it was worth it.
(He never anticipated, nobody could have anticipated, that the govt would commit such egregious prosecutorial misconduct the whole case had to be thrown out.)
Yup. The officer who was killed in the initial confrontation approached because of possible connection to a murder in neighboring Bayonne NJ. His actions appear to have thrown them off.
— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 13, 2019
re: #60 sagehen
weeellll…
Yeah, Ellsberg’s record was spotless right up until he committed major-league felonies. Nobody was making that up about him.
He was willing to pay the price; he absolutely understood that by his actions he was signing himself up to spend the rest of his life in prison. He did it anyway because he thought it was worth it.
(He never anticipated, nobody could have anticipated, that the govt would commit such egregious prosecutorial misconduct the whole case had to be thrown out.)
I think too many people forget that. Ellsberg didn’t get off because he was a whistleblower. He got off because the government blew it bad.
Sorry, but being a whistleblower isn’t a get out of jail free card.
Confederates operating at high levels of government, industry and religious institutions want to take America down just as badly or moreso now as in 1860.
Now, I am all in favor people public opinion - including no indictment, jury nullification, or a pardon - overriding a conviction indicating that what was released is worth more than the crime committed.
re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg
Yes, back when the GOP actually had those amazing things known as spines.
The GOP never had a spine. They will do whatever evil they can get away with. The only reason the GOP backed away from Nixon was because back then legally the media could not provide a 24/7 firehose of lies in support of a particular politician.
The elimination of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 has been the single-most calamitous and damaging legal decision since Dred Scott. This decision freeing media companies from any sort of fact or balance-based reporting directly bred Rush Limbaugh and then led to the creation of Fox News and the current alternate (fake) reality 35% of this country lives in. Facts are no longer facts. They are just things created by whoever is in power.
It takes no spine to lie when entire industries now are based on lying. The Fairness Doctrine was not perfect, but certainly better than the current shill-enabling sewer dump we call a media.
re: #38 Dread Pirate
Cisneros represents a district that is mostly north Orange County (Yorba Linda, Anaheim, Fullerton, etc). His win was mostly due to the fact that it also includes a sliver of LA County that went overwhelmingly for him. The district also voted (by less than a point) for the Republican nominee for governor in 2018. Cisneros, meanwhile, won by about 3% or less than 8,000 votes.
re: #60 sagehen
weeellll…
Yeah, Ellsberg’s record was spotless right up until he committed major-league felonies. Nobody was making that up about him.
He was willing to pay the price; he absolutely understood that by his actions he was signing himself up to spend the rest of his life in prison. He did it anyway because he thought it was worth it.
(He never anticipated, nobody could have anticipated, that the govt would commit such egregious prosecutorial misconduct the whole case had to be thrown out.)
absolutely
though because nixon et al, had no response to the content of the pentagon papers, they instead targeted the ‘whistleblower’ and questioned his motives.
and then broke into his psychiatrist’s office looking for anything they could use to shoot the messenger
re: #64 Dr. Matt
I thought that, for Republican neo-Confederates, Civil War 2 started on January 20, 2009, with the inauguration of President Obama.
Just as or neo-Confederates, Civil War 1 was finally won with the Gingrich Revolution of 1994, and secured by the Brooks Brothers Revolt of 2000 and the installation of George W. Bush as president in 2001.
re: #47 aatharuv
The Republicans are trying to take back Josh Harder’s Central Valley district (which he won by 5% against a 4 term Republican). His district borders on the SF Bay Area (and has some of the Bay Area exurbs, though Modesto is the largest city), and he was briefly in venture capital so there were silly allegations of him being a puppet of Nancy Pelosi and Bay Area liberals.
Yeah, we’re on it (and some others — canvassing begins by January).
re: #53 Eclectic Cyborg
Yes, back when the GOP actually had those amazing things known as spines.
I imagine they still have spines — just no morals.
*Charge of The Gaslight Brigade*
Manu Raju: “Why is it ever okay for an American president to ask a foreign power to investigate a political rival? Why do you think that’s okay?”
Rep. Debbie Lesko: “He didn’t. He didn’t do that.”
The President didn’t. He didn’t do that. pic.twitter.com/uUJgG9K7iz— toma (@tomablogger) December 13, 2019
I’ve seen a lot of sane conservatives on this site criticize Stacey Abrams for characterizing the 2018 election results as illegitimate and I’d be interested in their thoughts on this story. https://t.co/9gXSk2Mt5O
— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) December 13, 2019
re: #67 Florida Panhandler
The GOP never had a spine. They will do whatever evil they can get away with. The only reason the GOP backed away from Nixon was because back then legally the media could not provide a 24/7 firehose of lies in support of a particular politician.
The elimination of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 has been the single-most calamitous and damaging legal decision since Dred Scott. This decision freeing media companies from any sort of fact or balance-based reporting directly bred Rush Limbaugh and then led to the creation of Fox News and the current alternate (fake) reality 35% of this country lives in. Facts are no longer facts. They are just things created by whoever is in power.
It takes no spine to lie when entire industries now are based on lying. The Fairness Doctrine was not perfect, but certainly better than the current shill-enabling sewer dump we call a media.
Slight quibble - cable TV stations were exempt from the Fairness Doctrine.
Far more damaging was the Telecommunications Act of 1996, which relaxed local ownership requirements for media outlets (TV and radio), which gave birth to the Clear Channels and Sinclairs of the world.
I forgave Bill Clinton for a lot, but I’ll never forgive him for signing that bucket of shit.
re: #73 jaunte
Owner: …It was a pun.
Mr. Praline: (pause) A PUN?!?
Owner: No, no…not a pun…What’s that thing that spells the same backwards as forwards?
Mr. Praline: (Long pause) A palindrome…?
Owner: Yeah, that’s it!
Mr. Praline: It’s not a palindrome! The palindrome of “Bolton” would be “Notlob”!! It don’t work!!
Owner: Well, what do you want?
Mr. Praline: I’m not prepared to pursue my line of inquiry any longer as I think this is getting too silly
*Charge of The Gaslight Brigade*
Manu Raju: “Why is it ever okay for an American president to ask a foreign power to investigate a political rival? Why do you think that’s okay?”
Rep. Debbie Lesko: “He didn’t. He didn’t do that.”
The President didn’t. He didn’t do that. pic.twitter.com/uUJgG9K7iz— toma (@tomablogger) December 13, 2019
re: #78 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
That is the plan working as desired.
/
“If they really wanted to vote, they’d make the effort.”
(Make sure you notice the quotes.)
re: #76 Barefoot Grin
this one’s ez
they should have been more prepared
got up earlier
taken the day off
expected delays
//
I’ve seen a lot of sane conservatives on this site criticize Stacey Abrams for characterizing the 2018 election results as illegitimate and I’d be interested in their thoughts on this story. https://t.co/9gXSk2Mt5O
— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) December 13, 2019
re: #81 Belafon
“If they really wanted to vote, they’d make the effort.”
(Make sure you notice the quotes.)
gmta
A tale of backlash.
.@cenkuygur has been a longtime fighter against corruption. However, our movement is bigger than any one person. I hear my supporters who were frustrated and understand their concerns. Cenk today said he is rejecting all endorsements for his campaign and I retract my endorsement.
— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) December 13, 2019
re: #73 jaunte
“Charge of The Gaslight Brigade”
Fake News to the right of them,
Fake News to the left of them,
Trump straight in front of them,
“MAGA!” he thundered.
@cenkuygur has been a longtime fighter against corruption.
I missed that part because of the raging misogyny.
re: #86 Charles Johnson
Vet before you endorse.
re: #88 jaunte
I missed that part because of the raging misogyny.
He had his favorite type of corruption, mainly that which interfered with his brand.
re: #90 Patricia Kayden
Vet before you endorse.
This is what bothers me about Sanders. He delegates leadership by who likes him the most. He’s not someone who sees the big picture of legislation.
re: #87 Eclectic Cyborg
“Charge of The Gaslight Brigade”
Fake News to the right of them,
Fake News to the left of them,
Trump straight in front of them,
“MAGA!” he thundered.
If it’s a charge Trump is not out front leading them. He’s in the rear rifling through their packs for valuables.
re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg
Me too. Very apt.
They called the White Citizens Councils that started in the 50’s “The Klan Chamber of Commerce” I believe. That’s what I thought of.
re: #86 Charles Johnson
A tale of kayfabe. It reeks of kayfabe. He’s already made his intention known.
re: #94 HappyWarrior
This is what bothers me about Sanders. He delegates leadership by who likes him the most. He’s not someone who sees the big picture of legislation.
Sanders might arguably the left’s version of Trump. But then, populism is rarely about policy and usually more about the grievances.
“our movement is bigger than any one person”
Except me, of course, our movement is really about me.
This is this worst fk’n retraction possible
Bernie complimented Cenk on being anti-corruption & for inspiring people & then withdrew his endorsement because Cenk is no longer accepting endorsements
Where is Bernie’s outrage over Cenk’s sexism & racism? 🤔— JAM (@Eviljohna) December 13, 2019
re: #98 KGxvi
Sanders might arguably the left’s version of Trump. But then, populism is rarely about policy and usually more about the grievances.
What’s frustrating about that is after Biden he’s got the most time in Washington. He really doesn’t help with his leadership style.
re: #94 HappyWarrior
This is what bothers me about Sanders. He delegates leadership by who likes him the most. He’s not someone who sees the big picture of legislation.
Sounds a bit like Trump. Sigh.
re: #95 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
If it’s a charge Trump is not out front leading them. He’s in the rear rifling through their packs for valuables.
Touche.
re: #101 HappyWarrior
What’s frustrating about that is after Biden he’s got the most time in Washington. He really doesn’t help with his leadership style.
He’s got time in DC, but he hasn’t actually accomplished much of anything while there. He’s a career backbencher.
re: #100 Patricia Kayden
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Bernie only cares about economic differences since there is no racism. Or that fixing the economics will fix the racism by default.
re: #102 Patricia Kayden
Sounds a bit like Trump. Sigh.
Or like any number of middle managers I’ve worked for in my life.
re: #102 Patricia Kayden
Sounds a bit like Trump. Sigh.
I’ve made it clear here that we can not replace Trump with a similar type of person. Leadership matters and Bernie isn’t a leader.
And now I think we’ve given Cenk more time than he deserves.
re: #104 KGxvi
He’s got time in DC, but he hasn’t actually accomplished much of anything while there. He’s a career backbencher.
Oh I know. Really the last type of person that should seek leadership and that would be true even if he were a Democrat.
The thing about Bernie is that he’s at the center of American politics today by a fluke of history. He’s a career backbencher from a small state who doesn’t have any real legislative accomplishments. He’s only a player today because there were no credible challengers for Clinton in 2016. Had Biden run, or even any sitting/former Democratic governor or sitting Democratic Senator, that person likely would have taken the place of Sanders and he’d likely have been done when the Iowa caucuses closed.
Seems people are forgetting that John Roberts will preside over the Senate trial of Trump. It’s not going to be ‘run’ by Lindsay Graham. Thought they will try to make it a shitshow. It will be more like a trial.
New Orleans police & EMS have been operating by radio only this afternoon because their computers were affected by the cyberattack on the city (WWL)https://t.co/TJ4hLChu3A
— Steve Lookner (@lookner) December 13, 2019
City of New Orleans Cyberattack - LIVE BREAKING NEWS COVERAGE (Youtube)
Presser coming up.
re: #111 BigPapa
But Roberts oversight of the process is about the formality of the process, not the nature of the content. If some Senator wants to ask dumb-ass questions, well, the dumb-assery is not something itself that disqualifies the question.
In the end, we need to remember this is a political process, where the Senators are executing their discretion on how to vote or not, regardless of whether they think a crime has occurred. Indeed, I bet there are many Republican Senators who privately believe that Trump is as criminal as anyone in politics can possibly be, but they won’t vote to remove him.
re: #111 BigPapa
Seems people are forgetting that John Roberts will preside over the Senate trial of Trump. It’s not going to be ‘run’ by Lindsay Graham. Thought they will try to make it a shitshow. It will be more like a trial.
Roberts is a ‘loyal’ Republican piece of shit. His only concern in that mess will be to ensure it is far enough from a reverse Soviet show trial to preserve the illusion of his/SCOTUS impartiality.
NOLA IT director is up at the presser…..
They’re tying her to the stake……
Mayor has the torch ready……
OH SHIT! They cut out again.
Supreme Court agrees to hear dispute over Trump’s tax, bank records
The final ruling should take place in June.https://t.co/qq3BOsxmFj— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) December 13, 2019
This is…not good news, is it?
re: #116 Citizen K
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This is…not good news, is it?
Not if they rule he doesn’t have to release his records.
re: #116 Citizen K
This is…not good news, is it?
It only takes four judges to decide if the court should look at a case.
They will rule in June, near the time a Democratic nominee is chosen.
What would the failure to get this mean for his impeachment or reelection?
re: #116 Citizen K
It wasn’t unexpected, though.
re: #116 Citizen K
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This is…not good news, is it?
Hard to say. They may want to step end and say “enough” and cut through all the bullshit that Trump has been throwing in these cases. Or the conservative majority might decide that the federal executive is the first among equals and not subject to investigations by other federal branches or by the states (I don’t think this is likely).
More likely is that they feel like they can’t punt on a dispute between the legislature and the executive, so they need to rule one way or the other to resolve these issues for a generation or more.
It’s Okay (to Let Go) | A Poem by Atheists https://t.co/hkQM5YbfJC via @YouTube #HowWeLetGo
— freetoken fights fecking fascists (@freetoken) December 13, 2019
Seems like a lot of Cenk fans are unhappy.
re: #120 KGxvi
Hard to say. They may want to step end and say “enough” and cut through all the bullshit that Trump has been throwing in these cases. Or the conservative majority might decide that the federal executive is the first among equals and not subject to investigations by other federal branches or by the states (I don’t think this is likely).
More likely is that they feel like they can’t punt on a dispute between the legislature and the executive, so they need to rule one way or the other to resolve these issues for a generation or more.
I hope you’re right. I just have immediate bracing fears when this Supreme Court picks anything up.
“Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.” — George Orwell, “1984” https://t.co/c5ZrMPRPxK
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 13, 2019
Someday, our grandchildren will ask what we did in the face of a President who so blatantly abused his office and endangered our national security, who so clearly believed he was above the law.
For far too many of my colleagues, their answer — shamefully — will be:
Nothing. pic.twitter.com/ezL608S7kd— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) December 13, 2019
I know Roberts isn’t a liberal but he’s not Kavanaugh and dipshit Senators will still dipshit. But it is Robert’s courtroom.
Bevin is pathetic
Bevin attacking prosecutors, family of murder victims, elected officials and media who suggest the Baker fundraiser might have a connection/conflict with the Patrick Baker pardon. https://t.co/XuE3F2smhe
— Joe Sonka 😐 (@joesonka) December 13, 2019
re: #126 BigPapa
I know Roberts isn’t a liberal but he’s not Kavanaugh and dipshit Senators will still dipshit. But it is Robert’s courtroom.
Roberts role will be largely ceremonial. The senate sets their own rules for the trial or even dismiss outright if they have enough votes.
If there’s no (disclosable, free) legal representation to report, doesn’t seem like there should be any attorney-client privilege to prevent Rudy from testifying about their communications.
— Joyce Alene (@JoyceWhiteVance) December 13, 2019
jeebus
7% of Wisconsin’s registered voters could now be purged from voter rolls. Milwaukee & Madison account for 14% of state’s registered voters but 23% of purge list. This could have big impact on 2020 election https://t.co/e19GNQurjj
— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) December 13, 2019
re: #125 Backwoods_Sleuth
Someday, our grandchildren will ask what we did in the face of a President who so blatantly abused his office and endangered our national security, who so clearly believed he was above the law.
Mine will know—they’ll be out there with me.
I thought this was an Onion headline. It’s not. https://t.co/OaWBBToLll
— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) December 13, 2019
Click through and read the lede.
— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) December 13, 2019
*Mitch McConnell* criticized Bevin’s pardon spree today in Kentucky https://t.co/jtdSWj4HJR
— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) December 13, 2019
re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth
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So Wisconsin will remain essentially beholden to the GOP for at least another 10 years, huh?
I’ve done it, I’ve found the worst name in history. https://t.co/KH1CmOYZYJ pic.twitter.com/22gvYyIf3b
— Daniel Benneworth-Gray (@gray) December 13, 2019
re: #133 Citizen K
So Wisconsin will remain essentially beholden to the GOP for at least another 10 years, huh?
Depends on how religious Wisconsin has been in maintaining its rolls. In many states they have a large number of people registered who have moved or died over the years. This will probably cost some votes, but not 200,000
re: #133 Citizen K
So Wisconsin will remain essentially beholden to the GOP for at least another 10 years, huh?
They won’t be removed from the rolls until 2021.
I’ve been involved in calling “purged” voters for a while now, if this bothers anyone, you could get involved now.
re: #138 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!
Pronounced “semyon” (long “o”), fortunately.
If that’s a WWII Soviet uniform, he probably had a bad time in barracks.
re: #136 Decatur Deb
Depends on how religious Wisconsin has been in maintaining its rolls. In many states they have a large number of people registered who have moved or died over the years. This will probably cost some votes, but not 200,000
BREAKING: Wisconsin judge sides with conservatives, orders elections commission to deactivate up to 234,000 voters who may have moved
Decision expected to be appealed— Scott Bauer (@sbauerAP) December 13, 2019
Judge Paul Malloy:
“I don’t want to see anybody deactivated but I don’t write the legislation. If you don’t like it, then I guess you have to go back to the Legislature. (The elections commission) didn’t do that.”
The case is expected to go to the state Supreme Court— Scott Bauer (@sbauerAP) December 13, 2019
re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth
Yup. No place we’ve ever lived had a published requirement or procedure to drop your registration when you leave the state. Of course the GOP would like most of us purged.
there arent nearly enough swear words to adequately address tax software
sailors and truck drivers are blushing everywhere at my tirade
at least there’s bourbon
re: #136 Decatur Deb
Depends on how religious Wisconsin has been in maintaining its rolls. In many states they have a large number of people registered who have moved or died over the years. This will probably cost some votes, but not 200,000
This is why these “OMG PURGES!” stories always bother me. The death rate I believe is about 3% yearly, if you don’t regularly purge the roles they would be an utter disaster. I need context. Is 7% a lot? How often are the roles purged? Wouldn’t you expect there to be more turnover in the big urban areas than the rest of the state, it makes some sense those populations would be more in flux than the burbs. It just seems like if someone wants they can easily make regular housekeeping seem sinister.
re: #143 danarchy
And we know from using Votebuilder that poor people, our people, move more frequently.
re: #137 A hollow voice says, Impeachmoot now!
They won’t be removed from the rolls until 2021.
I’ve been involved in calling “purged” voters for a while now, if this bothers anyone, you could get involved now.
The article itself states that the Judge wants to jumpstart the removal to within 30 days, saying that 12 to 24 months for the actual removal is too long.
Florida Man’s reign of terror finally come to an end in the most Florida way possible. @TheRickWilson @Stonekettle https://t.co/CHGGqNVCrj
— Patrick S. Tomlinson (@stealthygeek) December 13, 2019
re: #142 Dangerman (misuser of the sarc tag)
there arent nearly enough swear words to adequately address tax software
sailors and truck drivers are blushing everywhere at my tirade
at least there’s bourbon
Call it “Medicinal Bourbon” and it’s tax deductible.
re: #148 NO SMOCKING GUN!
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He’s back…..
or maybe this was before the gator escapade.
Florida Man Allegedly Shoved Woman to the Ground After Dispute over Trump Impeachment Hearings
A Florida man has been charged with misdemeanor battery after he allegedly got into an argument with a woman over the Impeachment hearings of Donald Trump, PEOPLE has confirmed.
According to a police report obtained by PEOPLE and first received by The Smoking Gun, 62-year-old Ernest Ford is accused of shoving the 60-year-old victim to the ground during a discussion over the hearings in Washington. (President Trump is accused of withholding defense funding from the Ukraine in exchange for its help in attacking political rivals at home.)
While watching television, Ford and the woman became “engaged in a verbal dispute about the impeachment hearings” on December 6, the police report claims. The dispute soon became physical, police say.
The police report does not specify any details about the verbal dispute, or which side of the issue Ford took.
Note: Same last name as gator/meth dude.
Wife is making gingerbread cookies. I’m picking off the lame and the ugly.
re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
I mean, it’s not that uncommon a last name.
re: #95 FFL (GOP Delenda Est)
If it’s a charge Trump is not out front leading them. He’s in the rear rifling through their packs for valuables.
No, see, the funny bit is that the Light Brigade is the Magats charging toward the enemy, and Trump, their supposed champion, is the Russian artillery, cutting them to ribbons.
Good job, EC!
re: #151 Decatur Deb
Wife is making gingerbread cookies. I’m picking off the lame and the ugly.
This is mercy. They won’t be mocked by the perfect.
re: #151 Decatur Deb
Wife is making gingerbread cookies. I’m picking off the lame and the ugly.
You are saving young children pain and suffering from seeing such horrible cookies.
Yeah, I’d go with that.
re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel
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Note: Same last name as gator/meth dude.
re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg
I mean, it’s not that uncommon a last name.
It’s time we determine and clarify the importance of being Ernest.
re: #155 austin_blue
You are saving young children pain and suffering from seeing such horrible cookies.
Yeah, I’d go with that.
Probably should cut them some slack—still got about 6 lbs of orthopaedic boot velcroed to my leg.
re: #156 austin_blue
It’s time we determine and clarify the importance of being Ernest.
Had to upding just for the literary reference…
Stivers’ remarks came after two Senate Democrats earlier Friday called for an investigation: https://t.co/5d3l56p8BK via @LASmithReports @WDRBNews
— Marcus Green (@MarcusGreenWDRB) December 13, 2019
re: #159 Dread Pirate
It’ll be forgotten by Monday. Trump has shit on everything in this country.
Tiny Ice Crystals Simulate a Halo Around the Sun in Photograph by Michael Schneider
There is a photo annotation of the various atmospheric optics shown.
Bloomberg bought one of my favorite sites for urban policy and planning news. Then he laid off half the journalists.
Sorry, but that’s the wrong outlet he did that too.
It should have been Faux. https://t.co/iYE2YXFf1B— lawhawk (@lawhawk) December 14, 2019
Citylab is a great site with lots of in depth pieces about urban planning, policy, transportation issues, etc.
It’s a fucking travesty that he decided to lay off half the staff.
He targeted a site that was well regarded, instead of going after the gorilla in the room - Fox.
Vicente Fox already ordered 5 million hats for his campaign…#VicenteFox2020 pic.twitter.com/HCiPd9MPei
— Citizens Fed Up (@CitizensFedUp) December 13, 2019
Another swing district Dem comes out in favor of impeachment. Rouda beat Rohrabacher in the R+4 district in a race that wasn’t called until days later. https://t.co/OR4NJTzJjs
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) December 13, 2019
Go Harley! (Columbus lad—knew him when he was in high school—good to see him standing tall.)
Take a note, Joe Cunningham.
re: #111 BigPapa
Seems people are forgetting that John Roberts will preside over the Senate trial of Trump. It’s not going to be ‘run’ by Lindsay Graham. Thought they will try to make it a shitshow. It will be more like a trial.
that’s only pro forma. majority can overrule roberts on any procedural stuff.
I know I am late to the party on this, but enjoying a side dish of schadenfreude with my dinner tonight over the Bernie/Cenk situation. Now Cenk and his friends are free to help Trump get re-elected without bothering with their own “justice” related campaign.
Rules don’t apply for Republicans, or so it seems as of late
— 𝘞𝘉 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨 🍕🐀 (@FormerDirtDart) December 14, 2019
The Deutsche Bank & Mazars cases stem from congressional subpoenas (Financial Services & Oversight, respectively). The other is a grand jury subpoena from Manhattan DA Cy Vance. All of the subpoenas seek Trump’s personal financial records.
— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) December 13, 2019
Warren, here in NH today for an economic address, with her blueprint to beat Trump: “We will beat the most corrupt President in American history by campaigning on the most aggressive anti-corruption platform since Watergate.”
More updates, here: https://t.co/7iZiQgBgww— Ali Vitali (@alivitali) December 12, 2019
Elizabeth Warren: “Unlike some candidates for the Democratic nomination, I’m not betting my agenda on the naive hope that if Democrats adopt Republican critiques of progressive policies or make vague calls for unity that somehow the wealthy and well-connected will stand down.” pic.twitter.com/PWfFeNXFc8
— The Hill (@thehill) December 12, 2019
In case you were wondering about Pelosi’s negotiating with Trump:
News: Sens. Sherrod Brown and Ron Wyden will endorse the USMCA shortly, citing the inclusion of labor standards enforcement they pushed for the deal.
In 25 years in Congress, Brown has *never* voted yes on a trade deal, until now.— Jim Tankersley (@jimtankersley) December 13, 2019
re: #170 Belafon
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That’s gonna torque a few jaws at the Biden and Buttigieg campaigns.
How high is Tommy Chong right now? https://t.co/6uZgc5A37d
— Edwin Mix (@TheEdMix) December 13, 2019
re: #151 Decatur Deb
Wife is making gingerbread cookies. I’m picking off the lame and the ugly.
I get to do that next weekend.
re: #156 austin_blue
It’s time we determine and clarify the importance of being Ernest.
No one ever asks about the importance of being Vern.
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